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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hi and welcome to citizen journalist.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm very excited about today's
show.
Not only am I in a differentlocation, but I'm hanging out
with two women that I callFriends, and we've got a lot of
exciting things to share withyou.
In this episode, we're gonna betalking about the topic of
immigration and how to take itfrom sound bites to solutions.
(01:23):
We're gonna be talking aboutindependent filmmaking and
Script writing and being a womanin business.
So, without further ado, let meintroduce my two guests for
today's episode of Seoul TextCitizen journalist, tiffany
Hodges and Christina D'Oicusfrom fair say films.
Hello lady, hello.
I have girlfriends on my showvery often, so I'm luckness.
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For the audience's knowledge,we are hosting an event in New
York City for your independentshort film, displaced on April
4th at the anthology filmarchives.
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have it myself.
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Speaker 3 (02:21):
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Speaker 2 (02:24):
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Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right, hi and welcome to Seoul Texts podcast citizen
journalist.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm super excited about today's
episode.
Not only am I in a new location, I'm not in my normal studio
with my black backdrop, I'mhanging out In New York City
with two ladies that, I am verydelighted to say, are not only
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friends, but business women thatI greatly admire.
We're gonna be talking aboutall sorts of cool topics.
Welcome, fair, say, films tothe set of citizen, well, the
set of citizen journalists.
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saying it looks as you can seebetter.
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You know you can't have.
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of the light.
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Speaker 3 (03:40):
My hair.
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Speaker 2 (03:45):
Hi and welcome to soul tech citizen journalists
podcast.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andclearly I'm not in my normal
studio today.
I'm hanging out in New YorkCity with two business women and
friends of mine that I am soexcited to have on the show
today the ladies from fairs sakefilms.
Hello, ladies, this is TiffanyDinkas, and I was like she's
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walking down.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know this is helping loosen us all.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, it's fine.
I was like about it.
I knew this recording right.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hi and welcome to Saltex Citizen Journalist
podcast.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm excited about today's
episode.
Not only am I not in my normalvery dark studio filming for
this episode, I'm hanging out inNew York City with two women
filmmakers that I admirefair-save films.
Welcome to Citizen Journalist.
(04:54):
I'm so excited to have you guysaudience.
This is Christina Duikis andTiffany Hodges.
If you don't already know theirnames, you will, because they
are two groundbreakingfilmmakers here to talk about
Though being a woman in thebusiness, and about independent
filmmaking and about events andimmigration.
So welcome you two.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I have to ask, for the audience's sake and my own,
dying of curiosity how didfair-save films come about?
How did you guys get into thebusiness together?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Fair-save films came about a very long time ago.
I was seated that way, I guessTiffany and I met in an artist's
collective, that wheredirectors, writers, producers,
actors all met.
We were acting at the time andwe realized that there really
weren't that many roles forwomen, good, substantial roles
(05:45):
for women.
The majority of them were formen.
We started writing together andthat led to our first project
called Tick-Tock, which was allabout the biological clock,
which nobody was talking aboutat the time.
That's right, because it'sdecidedly a female story, and
that just wasn't happening.
So we wrote that and we reallyrealized at that time we loved
(06:07):
producing.
And then along came the storydisplaced and we decided to form
a production companysurrounding that called
Fair-Save Films, which amplifiesthe untold story and voices of
the underrepresented.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, so I'm a political activist as well and I
kind of looped this one intodoing some political activism
with me and we realized that wecould take our passion for
making a real difference insociety and mix it with our art,
and that's really where I thinkwe started to see some real
(06:46):
power in this partnership.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's incredible.
I love the fact that you'reboth.
Not only are you in thefilmmaking business as women,
which is dominated by men, butyou're producing work from
voices that don't get amplified,that don't get heard.
It's so important.
So all three of us areactivists, which I think is
incredible and probably thereason why we came together to
(07:10):
host an event.
Cell-tick Soundbites toSolutions.
The first event which ispresented by Fair-Safe Films is
coming up.
Can you guys share a little bitabout the event?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, so excited.
We have an event on April 4thwhere we're debuting our short
film and it'll be followed byCell-Tick Soundbites to
Solutions which will sort ofeducate about immigration and
kind of cut through all of theunnecessary fodder about
(07:45):
immigration and really get tosome solutions by the mess.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, the film itself really is about the broken
immigration system and it comesfrom my true life experience of
accompanying undocumentedimmigrants to their court
appearances, and through thatwork I really got a first taste
of just how broken the system isand how these people are really
(08:09):
trying to get their papers anddo things correctly, but they're
stuck in these loops withbureaucracy and with
administration, and I reallywanted to capture that.
I also wanted to capture theside of the volunteers that are
spending their days withstrangers trying to help them
through and navigate this reallyridiculous problem in our
(08:34):
government.
So, capturing all of that inthe film.
We also discovered that, oh,there are so much disinformation
out there about immigration andthere's so many soundbites that
make no sense and actuallydon't help at all.
In fact, some of them even makethe problem worse and people
just need to know about thecomplexities of the problem, and
(08:56):
so I think that's when we foundyou and soundbites to solutions
was born.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, I love this.
So for the audience to reallyunderstand when we got together,
we were all on this mission andwe realized that all of us were
dealing with this frustrationwith how mass media and many of
our influencers dig a stake intoa very particular perspective
(09:25):
and then create a lot of feararound that and a lot of
confusion around some of themost important issues that we
have going on, one of them beingimmigration, and that the only
way for us to move forward wasto address what the soundbites
are and how many of them are noteven truthful, and move the
conversation away fromsoundbites for solutions.
(09:46):
And so this first event thatwe're having at the Anthology
Film Archives celebratesFerrisay Films incredible I've
seen the film displaced.
It's incredible.
It shares this short film withthe guests and then there's a
panelist of experts to talkabout solutions, and I was very
honored to get a chance to get aprivate screening of this place
(10:08):
.
I want to hear about making thefilm as two women in the
industry Before I get there.
What's your shitter?
Did Louis Guzman give you guysa massive?
I mean, who doesn't love him asan actor?
Who's a huge actor?
Did he get the best actor or agood woman about your film.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh my gosh, so nice.
He actually came to our set.
He visited our set, which wasreally surreal and exciting and
helpful, yeah, incrediblyhelpful, because I don't think
anybody has more experience inthis business than Louis Guzman.
Literally spent his entire lifein this business and probably
the most famous Latino actor, orI don't know.
(10:49):
Famous is probably not theright word, or just.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Prolific, prolific.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Prolific is the right word.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think everyone recognizes him.
When they see him, they're like, oh my God, he's incredible.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, he has been in everything for decades, so he's
just amazing.
And then he was so kind.
He told me that my scriptbrought him to tears and that's
why he came to the set and toldme this incredible story about
reading it and learning thingsabout immigrants that he didn't
know before me and didn't knowhimself and that's really, I
(11:23):
think, what kind of shocked himabout the story.
And that is really the wholepoint of the film is to just
give the audience a little bitof information about what these
people really go through and howsometimes people can not have a
country.
They can be so displaced theyliterally don't have a home.
There's a lot of disinformationabout people just trying to
(11:46):
make a better life forthemselves, which absolutely.
People are trying to make abetter life for themselves, and
also that's a good thing to tryto make a better life for
yourself.
But there are also people thatliterally don't have a homeland
and don't have a country, andthat's a really serious, more
serious problem, I think.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And it's a wonderful opportunity to educate, right?
Fersei Films really wants toeducate with their projects, and
that's what we're hoping to dohere with Displaced yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think one of the things that I thought was so
touching about the film and Ihave to say congratulations,
because not only did your firstscript get you a ton of
attention for TikTok and touchon a hugely important issue such
as women's biological clocks,but the second one gets a
compliment from one of thebiggest actors in the world,
character actors particularly,which I think most people have
(12:36):
more respect for Right, and youget this huge compliment from
him.
It also touches on an incrediblyimportant issue and it
highlights what doesn't gettalked about Because, you see, I
think most people know thetruth about most situations is
gray, it is not black and whiteand it is not the opposite ends
(12:58):
of the spectrum that we getshown in most mass media and it
creates these sort of fenceposts for most people that they
hang onto and we can't moveforward when that happens.
And your film does such abeautiful job of just pointing
someone in the right directionto see the complexity.
Was that something that youintentionally set out to do?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, because that's what I experienced when I was
accompanying undocumentedimmigrants to their court
appearances, and I actually sawpeople's lives being destroyed
over paperwork, over paperworkwritten in another language that
they didn't, wasn't explainedto them or they didn't
necessarily even understand.
(13:39):
And also people that have tocheck in with ICE because ICE
doesn't know what to do withthem or because there's no place
to put them or we're sort of inthis broken system that's
overrun and so they're justchecking in with ICE as much as
they can and going every singletime and having to get a
(14:00):
babysitter, and having to taketime off of work and pay money
to come into the city to go totheir ICE check-ins, and then
sometimes ICE just decides inthat moment we're going to take
you and they just take them offand there's no opportunity to
call a lawyer or to talk totheir family or to even let
(14:21):
their children know what'shappened.
There were so many instanceslike that that I just was like
people need to just know thatthis broken system is really
hurting human beings and yes,there's a lot of complexity to
the issue, but here in America Ifeel like we could do a better
job at just fixing our own sideof the street, so to speak,
(14:46):
before we just point fingers atother countries and say, oh well
, it's their problem.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think one of the things that doesn't get spoken
about that I think is soimportant is look, I'm in the
middle of the road.
I see both perspectives.
Yes, I think it's ideal when wehave people who work their way
through the legal system, dothings legally.
There are some situations inwhich people don't really have
an option except somethingdesperate, and I think in that
(15:12):
situation we should have a wayto manage and deal with that in
America.
That makes sense.
And you guys, I'm telling youright now, while a lot of people
will criticize an immigrant fornot knowing English well enough
to know the paperwork, orgetting booted, or having your
life ruined by something legalhappening, that happens every
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single day in America toAmericans who can speak English,
have lawyers and all of thosethings, because our system is so
broken and so dysfunctional,and I think the immigration
issue just highlights that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't think that I mean.
It's such a polarizing issue,right, people have very strong
opinions about it, but I don'tthink the media does a very good
job of focusing on what'sbroken and what can be fixed,
that's it.
You know that is not politicalat all.
There's nothing about thesystem that is political.
(16:08):
It's a system that was put inplace many years ago and it
needs to be updated.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And as it says most everything in our government,
right, I'm getting an updateright.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I'm getting older.
I need an update, so it'sunderstandable that the system
that was created so long ago,before we had so much
immigration into the states,would need to be updated, and we
hope that this film and thisdiscussion surrounding
immigration highlights that andshows solutions, what can be
(16:39):
done.
That's not polarizing, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I think something that you just brought to mind
is that if Americans wereactually being properly taken
care of within their own country, we would have less A Americans
who were resentful and quick tograb on to the worst case
scenario situations that arehappening with immigration
because it's like a competition.
I think that's how they treatit.
(17:05):
Yeah, and also, mostpoliticians wouldn't be using
the immigration situation todistract people who are really
unhappy with the shitty job thatthey're doing at running our
government.
I mean, I'm just saying I thinkthat they're using it as a
football to keep peopledistracted from the fact that
they're not fixing the systemFor Americans, much less the
immigration system forimmigrants, which is broken.
(17:25):
It's a broken system andthey're becoming victims of it,
as are the American people whodon't understand how broken it
is it is one of many brokensystems really.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But one thing that I just wanted to point out what
you were saying earlier aboutthere are certain things that
are outdated or certain thingsthat a lot of people don't know
about this broken system.
One of the main takeaways frommy work with immigrants was that
you have to actually be onAmerican soil to apply for
asylum.
So a lot of these people thatare crossing the border quote
(17:58):
unquote illegally are turningthemselves in immediately.
They're going right to borderpatrol and they're like I'm here
to seek asylum, I'm on Americansoil, I'm here to seek asylum.
This is what's happened to me,this is what's going on in my
country and then they get stuckfor years and years and years
before they even get a courtdate, before they even
understand what the asylum lawsare.
For example, you have to applyfrom one year, from that point
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that you turn yourself in, and alot of them don't know that
information and they get stuckand they get put off and they
don't even realize that.
Oh no, they got to get thatpaperwork in somehow within that
year, otherwise they don'tqualify at all.
So there's just a lot of like.
If we could figure out a waywhere people could possibly
apply before they come, thatmight be helpful.
That's an example of somethingthat we could look at.
(18:43):
But I think a lot of peoplethink that they're just here to
be criminals.
And they're here and they'vealready criminalized themselves
because they've come overillegally.
But the truth is there's noeasy way to get here.
There's no easy system to getonto the soil into the asylum
process.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Now I think that's a really good point.
Actually, I think a lot ofpeople don't realize that they
have to get their feet ontoAmerican soil to be able to get
asylum.
So if somebody's desperate andthey're running to a country
that they think can help themand we have plenty of space just
saying our resources aren'tallocated properly, but we got
plenty of space and we do haveplenty of resources, they're
(19:23):
just not allocated properly butthey can't get here, they can't
get help and I think a lot ofpeople.
That doesn't get highlighted inthe medium.
Frankly, the truth, thecomplexity of the situation
doesn't get highlighted in themedia because it doesn't sell
clicks or views.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It doesn't necessarily have to be easy for
them to do, right?
Nobody is saying, oh, I wanteasy, I want easy, easy, easy.
But it should be clear sopeople understand what it is
they would need to do in orderto seek asylum or in order to
come to the States, if it's laidout, and then people can make a
determination as to whether ornot they can do it and make the
(19:59):
choice for themselves.
But unfortunately, we don'teven want to do that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And I had this.
I have to share this becauseit's one of those moments where
we talk about sharing the truthon the show all the time and
every episode.
I'm talking about how we haveto get to the truth.
Through the truth we'll be ableto heal and we'll be able to
move forward and we'll be ableto create better systems.
I was at dinner with these twoladies, or we were doing
something for the event that wehave coming up or displaced
their short film, which israther fabulous.
They're going to plug thatreally quick and I said
(20:27):
something when we were we werehaving a debate actually right
here and I said something likewell, you know, they're giving
immigrants $2,200 a month, whichis more than people get for
Social Security.
Thank you, tucker Carlson.
I just have to mention who saidthat, because that's where I
got that from and I went andlooked it up and it's not true
and it's one of those things.
(20:48):
Since I said that, I haverepeatedly seen prestigious
journalists the state ofjournalism as a whole other
episode say that same thing andit's not actually the case.
So those are the kinds ofsoundbites that you keep getting
spread around is truth thataren't actually true at all.
Go look it up.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and also I just want to point out that those
kinds of soundbites trickle downto those who are coming over to
the border.
So they hear things likeBiden's open border, they're
giving $2,200 to every immigrantthat comes in, and then we have
this mass influx coming indroves and we're all like, oh,
no, no, no, no, what's happening?
We've got to stop it.
Yeah, but it is thisdisinformation, it is these
(21:30):
soundbites that are, I mean, notcompletely part of the problem.
They are coming over herebecause of climate change and
because they're running fromviolence and all kinds of other
things, but the huge uptick canalso be credited to a lot of the
disinformation and thesoundbites that are coming out
there.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So it's really dangerous Actually
disinformation is also not tosay that all the soundbites are
not rooted in some kernel oftruth, Because I think that's
why people feel they can getaway with these very you know
explosive soundbites Right,Because they say, well, it kind
of is true, but taken out ofcontext it explodes and it's
(22:10):
just not useful.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yes, and you know, and just on the other opposite
end of that, just while we'retalking about soundbites and
truth and not truth, and when we, when we, when we layer
deception into an alreadycomplicated situation where
people are using the soundbitesto create extremes, it has both.
It has positives and negativeeffects on everybody.
We have situations likerecently.
(22:32):
President Biden did get calledout because he flew in.
I think it was I'm not going toquote a number it was a lot of
people secretly on airplanes andhid the fact from the public.
And when our politicians,including our president, do
things like that, it creates asense of distrust and all it
(22:54):
does is empower the opposite endof the spectrum.
So the people who are very antiimmigrant are like see, there's
proof right there that they'regoing to rule in everything.
Take all of our jobs and and,and.
So you know, I would say justfrom this conversation you know,
be careful.
Social media is full of liesand soundbites that aren't true.
And not only will you soundlike a fool, like I did, by
(23:15):
telling people that immigrantsare getting $2,200 a month, but
it, like you said, it makes theproblem worse because people are
hearing that and they're goingoh my gosh.
In the US they're flying peoplein and they're giving them
$2,200 a month run.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And my question, too, is why don't we want to solve
these problems?
Why don't we want to have abetter place to live?
What is holding us back, youknow, from really like doing the
work we need?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
to.
Yeah, I mean, the truth is isthat people make a lot of money
off of people being afraid, andpoliticians get elected off of
fear.
Yes, and media loves a goodclickbait.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And a lot of companies are functioning off of
the backs of immigrants andthey don't want anyone to know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yep, and they don't want them to be on the books
because they don't want to haveto pay their taxes
and they don't want to have topay into the social security
system for them and so on.
So that's all true, and a goodrule of thumb is that it's never
all or nothing.
Yeah, like, like the openborders, closed borders, like
it's not a door that you canshut and lock, and it, you know,
(24:24):
it's a very, very complicatedissue.
And so whenever you hear thingslike all of them are this or
this is all a lie, or this islike any all or nothing language
is usually a red flag for me.
That's usually what I'm like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's never that, it's never that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're never all criminals and they're also not
all asylum seekers yeah, andthey're not all other either.
A lot of them are familymembers of American citizens.
A lot of them are people withhuge connections here in America
.
A lot of them come over hereand do a really specialized job
and lose their visa, or you know, there's just there's so much
(25:04):
complexity to.
The composer of our filmactually is was an immigrant and
he worked on the score forNarcos and had to go back
through immigration courtbecause his visa was running out
and immigration court actuallysaid oh, you're just a composer,
that's not a good enough job inthe film industry.
(25:26):
That's like not.
That's like it's notprestigious, prestigious enough.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
He's an incredible musician with these unbelievable
skills and system never valuedmusic for so many reasons we're
not going to go into today, butlet's just think about like
Narcos was such a huge, huge,huge, huge thing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No, it's Narcos, and everybody loved Narcos and it
was like it's such a huge partof, like our American culture,
these stories, and then you know, this is it's that whole unseen
labor doesn't get counted asequal, and it's just as
important.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, and also, you know, it's interesting that they
wouldn't value someone in thearts, right.
Because I think that art isreally what changes the world,
it's not politics.
Yeah, art comes first and youknow this, this momentum behind
artists and expressingthemselves and, you know,
speaking out about thingsthrough their art, is really
(26:22):
what educates and what, whatbegins to change public opinions
.
Oh sorry, yeah, sorry aboutthat, and it's ridiculous to me
that we think, oh well, it'sonly politicians that, you know,
come up with all thesebrilliant ideas, when in fact
it's really artists.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Art is really the tool in which we communicate the
most pressing emotions,feelings, information.
It starts through art and thenit trickles down to everything
else.
So when art gets dismissed,we're dismissing the main tool
in which we speak to the humancondition.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And you know they historically.
If you go back to the Americanand this is going to not off
topic, it's actually quite ontopic because we're talking
about how bad the systems are Ifyou go back to how the American
education system was actuallyfundamentally created, it was
created to produce worker bees.
It literally says in theoriginal concept for how the
school system would be built,because it was built to produce
(27:23):
workers for the IndustrialRevolution.
It was literally it says in thepaperwork we do not want
artists, writers, poets,painters, we want worker bees.
We want people who do not thinkRockefeller right.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yes, rockefeller.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So so the whole American system was founded on,
and one of the reasons why thearts and physical, like physical
fitness, are members of kidsand cutting the art music the
first thing that goes.
The first thing that went wasarts and sports and I was like
the two things in school thatmost people who were like
neurodivergent or creative lovedthe most and were their tools
(28:02):
for enjoying life or getting cut.
It was a huge mistake in theAmerican systems.
So hopefully, when we redo theschool system, on top of
everything else I mean educationis such a huge, huge problem in
the country.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's really, it's really disgusting and also
consume the way we consumethings through entertainment.
Right, yeah, so not for thebetter, but news shows have
become entertainment, yeah, sowe're consuming it like we
consume art, yeah, which thereinlies a big problem, because
we're sometimes we consumethings that aren't necessarily
(28:35):
truthful, yet we're perceivingthem as truthful.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, and I'm glad to see most people get to a place
now, which is one of the reasonswhy I did an episode.
Guys, go back and watch theepisode before this.
Right before this, when Iinterviewed Pulitzer nominated
journalist Rose Horwitz aboutthe state of the media, and we
talk a lot about this topic.
So definitely go check thatepisode of Citizen Journalist
out.
It's one of our most popularepisodes and so to bring it back
(28:59):
to you, to you know the topicat hand.
I know, as a female entrepreneur, I know you guys know what I'm
talking about.
I was working on a fundraisingdeck for got the cast media and
I looked up fundraising forwomen in less than 3%.
I want people to really hearthis because you wonder what I
hear men say this a lot of timeswith women were really good at
business, they'd be more bane.
(29:20):
Yeah, and not all men are likethat.
I want to be very clear aboutthat.
I know you really supportwomen's issues, but less than 3%
of venture capital less than 3%of venture capital and some of
those charts measured it at 1.81.9% of venture capital is given
to women's companies.
(29:40):
So we still deal with the worldthat is very heavily weighted
towards supporting men'sbusinesses, men's positions of
power, women in the filmindustry, in the entertainment
industry, which are very muchstill done by mostly men.
How are you guys dealing withthat disparity?
(30:01):
You know the sort of disparityof being in a male dominated
industry still.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's a great question.
I will say that I do thinkthings are changing a little bit
and we have been getting someattention by being a female
owned company, which is great.
I think in some ways it likehelps us kind of stand out and
certainly as we go through thefestival circuit you want to
talk a little bit.
Christina has been really ontop of our festival submissions
and I think we found that a lotof them are looking for
(30:28):
diversity.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're looking for diversity and, you know, as a
female driven business, we'rejust that.
And it's interesting too,because I think the stories that
we're drawn to tell are verycomplex and have, you know, have
an interesting like road and itgets away from.
(30:50):
Not that we wouldn't, you know,do something that has a little
bit more levity to it, but thosestories, I think, are very easy
for us to tell because we havea different perspective on the
world, right, just like as aresult of being women.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, we understand marginalized communities.
Yeah, we know what it is to beleft out.
We feel it all the time witheverything.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But also I think we don't focus on like my answer to
your question about you know,how do we deal with the you know
so few women are beingrecognized is.
I don't think we focus on thatBecause that would just hold us
back.
We prefer to focus on what weknow, what we can do, what we
feel confident about, and thathas taken us a long way in just
looking at, like, the things wehave in the pipeline to you know
(31:40):
, we have a wealth of stories.
They just sort of keep coming.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So I know we like we.
We have to stop sometimes andbe like we cannot come up with
another idea.
Actually, just pick an idea andwork on it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Oh, I know Ideas are off the chart, yeah when we go
to dinner it's like an idea festbecause all three of us are
creators.
You know it's interesting.
I love get Greta Gore-Wig and Ithought she did an incredible
job with the.
She really did an incrediblejob with the Barbie movie.
I did personally and I evenwrote an article about this.
I feel like I felt like peoplewanted her to win simply because
(32:16):
she was a woman.
I'm not saying she didn'tdeserve it.
I don't know that topic wellenough.
I will say that I don't thinkit helps when we let
corporations reposition theirbrand in history through the
arts.
I think that that there's adeception there that actually
makes the new.
It complicates the situation.
It's already complicated enougheven further.
(32:38):
But I'm glad to hear thatyou're in applying for the film
festivals.
You guys are seeing diversityas a big push.
I think that's incredible.
Yeah, what is it that you would?
What would you like to ideallysee happen with your short film
displaced?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, we've got a couple of different ideas.
First of all, there is thefestival circuit and we are
doing that, but we don't want tojust do that, which is usually
the path for short films.
Like short films just go intothe festival circuit and people
go and watch them and that'spretty much it.
But festivals are really forfilmmakers and we made this film
(33:20):
to educate people.
So we're actually going touniversities.
We've reached out to severaluniversities in Texas and other
places, but right now we'refocused on Texas because this
issue is in Texas.
Yeah, and we are really we'rebuilding a package where we can
go into these universities,screen the film, have these
(33:43):
discussions with the students,possibly do a workshop about
social impact work and usingyour art and your creativity
that you're learning in schoolto really make a difference in
the world.
So we want to inspire youngpeople because they are the
future.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
And also it's an election year and most of them
don't vote.
And it drives me crazy, frankly.
This is such an important issueit's bigger than any award
right.
So to really get it out topeople so that they can learn
something would be ideal andwould be extremely rewarding for
us.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And after it runs its full circuit on both the
university front or communityfront and the festival front,
then eventually it will beonline and we'll be able to get
it to everybody.
But there's a lot of rulesabout premieres and things.
You want to put somethingonline and everybody can get to
it really easily.
(34:33):
It gets harder and harder toactually target certain
audiences.
So that's where we are rightnow.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
we're targeting I love that.
So for the audience to know,one of the we came together to
do an event series calledSoundbites to Solutions because
we all passionately care about alot of social issues and we
chose Immigration as the firstone because there's so much hype
around their short filmdisplaced, and we thought, well,
(35:02):
take advantage of all the talkWhile we're getting you're
getting huge compliments frompeople like Louis Guzman and
that event.
I'm really excited about thatevent.
It's the first one in theseries Soul Text, soundbites to
Solutions, which is presented byFerrisay Films and its screens
displaced, and it also has apanel discussion with a group of
(35:25):
experts to talk aboutimmigration, and that includes
you guys as well.
The whole point of that eventseries, which will be going on
throughout 2024 in New York Cityand around the country, because
we've got big plans, is tocreate conversation about what
(35:46):
is true, what is false and howdo we actually get to a place of
actually solving situations.
Because what I see most peopledoing, what I see most media
doing which is one of thereasons I found the film Soul
Refreshing is focusing on thefear-driven narratives within
the conversation that keep itfrom being solvable, because
(36:08):
there's a lot of vested groupsthat don't want the solutions
released, because they getelected based on the complexity
and the fear tactics.
They get people watching theirshows because of it.
They get to fund theirbusinesses off the backs of
immigrants, they get to makehuge profits off of the
immigrant labor and there's alot of people who have vested
(36:29):
interest in not getting to asolution.
But you know what?
We're determined to bring inthis conversation to the
forefront, along with othersocial issues.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And they're not, it's true.
I mean, hey, we don't want toignore the fact that we are a
capitalistic society.
Right, america is based oncapitalism, and there's nothing
wrong with wanting to make moneyor to amass wealth.
However, there is enough to goaround, and this concept that it
has to only be held by I'llselect few is really a limiting
(37:01):
belief, and so that's part of it, too, that there is enough of
us to solve the problem and tosteal, amass wealth and have a
good life and also give someoneelse a good life.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, and also like human rights are important.
The economy is very importantAlso, human rights are really
important and there's definitelya way to have a successful,
booming, abundant economy andstill have people keeping their
own rights.
And I feel like that's when itcomes to human rights and people
(37:39):
get all polarized about anissue people are making a very
few amount of.
People are making a whole lotof money in that instance.
But, if we can all just find away to have our different
opinions and have our differentperspectives but still
appreciate and respect eachother as Americans.
If we can get to that place,then we can all support each
(38:01):
other.
We can all have a piece of thepie.
There's enough pie foreverybody.
I mean, it's America.
We have the best economy in theworld and we still do, and
we're holding on to by a thread,by a thread.
So we really need to all worktogether to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I don't mean to sound like a doomsayer, but I believe
that we have to come up with anew American dream, because the
American dream that we hadbefore which is what was the
main driver of people wanting tobe engaged in the workforce in
the way that they used to careWithout an American dream, with
the one that we had beforecollapsing, we have not gifted
the younger generations with thepath in, the tools that drive
(38:42):
them.
They give them hope that makethem wanna work towards a
solution that make them wanna bevested in, and on top of that,
you add, in AI, and the world isreally changing dramatically.
But I think that highlightsthat this is such a huge moment
in which we can collectively sayit's not working, what we've
been doing is not working.
It's time for us to all stopbickering it's like a tug of war
(39:04):
, no, that nobody ever wins andsay, okay, let's meet in the
middle and say what are thesolutions to the situation?
That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Nobody wins and the truth is is if you took all of
the undocumented immigrants andyou rounded them up and you
pulled them out of this country,our economy would call a little
bit like the unpaid femalelabor.
Yes, I'm in America.
Thank you for bringing it up.
That is absolutely true, shaman.
Also, women hold up the globaleconomy with invisible labor as
(39:34):
they caretake for their youngergeneration and the previous
generation.
We are always the emotionalsupport for everyone, which is
why we're so tired right no.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I think, that's a great topic for another episode
of citizen journalists, becausethere's one country I think it
was Iceland where the womenbrought the entire country to a
halt.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, over 2% of equality.
They were like 98% equal andthey were like no, that's not
enough, we want 100%.
So we're just gonna stopworking until you give us 100%
equality.
If we do in America, I mean itwouldn't take long.
I give, I give America one daywithout the women.
Oh yeah, before they wouldthink differently.
They would be like no and kindof the same thing with the
(40:15):
immigrants too, like what if allthe immigrants just stopped
Building our buildings andtaking care of our elderly and
being the nanny and being thecook.
And you know every restaurant.
You go to Every restaurant justabout.
Even if it's a Chineserestaurant, it's usually a Latin
American.
You know immigrant cooking thefood.
You pull all those people out.
(40:36):
Who's gonna pick the orangesfrom the trees?
Who's?
You know there's a lot of jobsthat they do that Americans
don't want.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh yeah, Especially the young.
I'm not trying to poke make funof the younger generations, but
they're not really big on whatthey consider beneath them.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, they don't jobs to that.
They have YouTube channels andthey figured out other ways to
make money.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Producers, and good for them.
This is just it.
There's enough to go right yetagain.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I think one of the things that was so fascinating
to me about the closures Wasthat what we proved was that we
can take care of everybody whenwe want to as a country.
It's amazing we can also telleveryone what to do and take the
rights away.
But that's a whole other topicfor another episode, but also I
noticed there were no homelesspeople during the pandemic.
(41:25):
Amazing know where I wentwhether any homeless people, so
for a couple years we couldactually take care of our
homeless people.
I thought that's amazing.
And then, right after once theclosures were done and things
went back to business, thehomeless people are back and now
there's more of them than ever.
So fascinating topics.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Mental health crisis has gotten so much worse.
Yeah, and that's.
You know, that's a wholeanother episode.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
But I mean these are many topics that fair, safe,
balance will be exploring, yeahthat right there.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
All right, I love that.
You guys so for audience wantedto learn more about the work
that you guys do.
Where would they go they visit,oh?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, I have a website called tiffani Hodges
calm where you can go foreverything.
I also write a sub stack for awomen's group called among other
things.
So if you go to sub stack andyou do a Google or a search for
among other things everything,there is stuff that I write
about.
Many of them we've talked about.
Many of the topics that I writeabout we've talked about in
(42:32):
this.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I said as well and you can find me at Christina
doicus calm.
Additionally, please visit ourwebsite Displaced short film
calm and you can learn all aboutfair say there and about our
film displaced.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Also, if you go to fair say films calm, you'll find
this place for a film.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, lots of different.
I'm like I'm pretty sure theycan go to fair, say films to.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Google any of these words.
Yeah, you'll find us All right.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh well, you guys, if you're not already subscribed
to citizen journalists, what'swrong with you?
Ah, you should subscribe,because here we talk about
solutions over Over sound bites,to stick with our theme, and we
cover all different types oftopics.
If you want to learn more aboutthe show, go visit gothic house
media and you will see a pagefor Citizen journalists there.
(43:22):
You can also visit soul techdot world to learn all about
soul tech and about myself,shaman ices.
Thanks you guys for coming andhanging out.
Go check out my social media aswell.
You guys have been coming andmaking some really incredible
comments about the show, so Ireally appreciate that.
So go find us on social mediaand on our websites, and we'll
see you here pretty soon foranother episode of citizen
(43:44):
journalists.
Have a beautiful and blessedweek.
Bye, hi.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That's really good, I had to tell you.
And you know how to check the time or whatever, like
you're.
Yeah, I mean I kind of aninternal time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't know if you've been at exactly 30
minutes.
All right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh, the other thing was do we look, are we too high?
I mean, you're much lower thanus my hair isn't.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Do you want to come down?
High is because then you getthis bright light over my head.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You're blocking the lights.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Do you want to sit on a?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
cushion.
Cushion might help yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I mean, okay, that is that enough.
Or else the white one?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't.
I only need a couple inches,okay.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So that's a whole another.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You think talking about the quietness in there.
Okay, it is all right.
Okay sorry, this is called.
It was clean.
Okay, go ahead.
Sweat marks.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hi and welcome to citizen journalist.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm very excited about today's
show.
Not only am I in a differentlocation, but I'm hanging out
with two women that I callFriends, and we've got a lot of
exciting things to share withyou.
In this episode, we're gonna betalking about the topic of
immigration and how to take itfrom sound bites to solutions.
(01:23):
We're gonna be talking aboutindependent filmmaking and
Script writing and being a womanin business.
So, without further ado, let meintroduce my two guests for
today's episode of Seoul TextCitizen journalist, tiffany
Hodges and Christina D'Oicusfrom fair say films.
Hello lady, hello.
I have girlfriends on my showvery often, so I'm luckness.
(01:47):
For the audience's knowledge,we are hosting an event in New
York City for your independentshort film, displaced on April
4th at the anthology filmarchives.
To Do this?
Okay, I should let.
(02:09):
I want to work thatconversation with you and not
have it myself.
Okay, let's take this off, allright.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And and last, let's.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I can get him put my contacts in so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Mean, I see us, but I don't see details.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right, hi and welcome to Seoul Texts podcast citizen
journalist.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm super excited about today's
episode.
Not only am I in a new location, I'm not in my normal studio
with my black backdrop, I'mhanging out In New York City
with two ladies that, I am verydelighted to say, are not only
(02:51):
friends, but business women thatI greatly admire.
We're gonna be talking aboutall sorts of cool topics.
Welcome, fair, say, films tothe set of citizen, well, the
set of citizen journalists.
Fuck, should we do it threetimes?
Okay, it's okay, that's allright.
All right, I'm getting moreenergy each time.
Yeah, let's just open a little.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, I love how you're a shell, but you blasted,
saying it looks as you can seebetter.
Yeah, yeah.
I know I'm actually you knowyou can't have your near sir.
Yeah, all right, I'm sorry Iknow I'm actually.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know you can't have.
You were your near son.
Yeah, all right, I'm sorry.
No, I don't care.
No, I get really no, I love itbecause I'm, I'm, the, I'm more
of the light.
Does it look okay?
Yeah we go All right.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
My hair.
Yeah, her's look okay great.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Hi and welcome to soul tech citizen journalists
podcast.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andclearly I'm not in my normal
studio today.
I'm hanging out in New YorkCity with two business women and
friends of mine that I am soexcited to have on the show
today the ladies from fairs sakefilms.
Hello, ladies, this is TiffanyDinkas, and I was like she's
(04:13):
walking down.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know this is helping loosen us all.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, it's fine.
I was like about it.
I knew this recording right.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hi and welcome to Saltex Citizen Journalist
podcast.
I'm your host, shaman Isis, andI'm excited about today's
episode.
Not only am I not in my normalvery dark studio filming for
this episode, I'm hanging out inNew York City with two women
filmmakers that I admirefair-save films.
Welcome to Citizen Journalist.
(04:54):
I'm so excited to have you guysaudience.
This is Christina Duikis andTiffany Hodges.
If you don't already know theirnames, you will, because they
are two groundbreakingfilmmakers here to talk about
Though being a woman in thebusiness, and about independent
filmmaking and about events andimmigration.
So welcome you two.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I have to ask, for the audience's sake and my own,
dying of curiosity how didfair-save films come about?
How did you guys get into thebusiness together?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Fair-save films came about a very long time ago.
I was seated that way, I guessTiffany and I met in an artist's
collective, that wheredirectors, writers, producers,
actors all met.
We were acting at the time andwe realized that there really
weren't that many roles forwomen, good, substantial roles
(05:45):
for women.
The majority of them were formen.
We started writing together andthat led to our first project
called Tick-Tock, which was allabout the biological clock,
which nobody was talking aboutat the time.
That's right, because it'sdecidedly a female story, and
that just wasn't happening.
So we wrote that and we reallyrealized at that time we loved
(06:07):
producing.
And then along came the storydisplaced and we decided to form
a production companysurrounding that called
Fair-Save Films, which amplifiesthe untold story and voices of
the underrepresented.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, so I'm a political activist as well and I
kind of looped this one intodoing some political activism
with me and we realized that wecould take our passion for
making a real difference insociety and mix it with our art,
and that's really where I thinkwe started to see some real
(06:46):
power in this partnership.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's incredible.
I love the fact that you'reboth.
Not only are you in thefilmmaking business as women,
which is dominated by men, butyou're producing work from
voices that don't get amplified,that don't get heard.
It's so important.
So all three of us areactivists, which I think is
incredible and probably thereason why we came together to
(07:10):
host an event.
Cell-tick Soundbites toSolutions.
The first event which ispresented by Fair-Safe Films is
coming up.
Can you guys share a little bitabout the event?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, so excited.
We have an event on April 4thwhere we're debuting our short
film and it'll be followed byCell-Tick Soundbites to
Solutions which will sort ofeducate about immigration and
kind of cut through all of theunnecessary fodder about
(07:45):
immigration and really get tosome solutions by the mess.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, the film itself really is about the broken
immigration system and it comesfrom my true life experience of
accompanying undocumentedimmigrants to their court
appearances, and through thatwork I really got a first taste
of just how broken the system isand how these people are really
(08:09):
trying to get their papers anddo things correctly, but they're
stuck in these loops withbureaucracy and with
administration, and I reallywanted to capture that.
I also wanted to capture theside of the volunteers that are
spending their days withstrangers trying to help them
through and navigate this reallyridiculous problem in our
(08:34):
government.
So, capturing all of that inthe film.
We also discovered that, oh,there are so much disinformation
out there about immigration andthere's so many soundbites that
make no sense and actuallydon't help at all.
In fact, some of them even makethe problem worse and people
just need to know about thecomplexities of the problem, and
(08:56):
so I think that's when we foundyou and soundbites to solutions
was born.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, I love this.
So for the audience to reallyunderstand when we got together,
we were all on this mission andwe realized that all of us were
dealing with this frustrationwith how mass media and many of
our influencers dig a stake intoa very particular perspective
(09:25):
and then create a lot of feararound that and a lot of
confusion around some of themost important issues that we
have going on, one of them beingimmigration, and that the only
way for us to move forward wasto address what the soundbites
are and how many of them are noteven truthful, and move the
conversation away fromsoundbites for solutions.
(09:46):
And so this first event thatwe're having at the Anthology
Film Archives celebratesFerrisay Films incredible I've
seen the film displaced.
It's incredible.
It shares this short film withthe guests and then there's a
panelist of experts to talkabout solutions, and I was very
honored to get a chance to get aprivate screening of this place
(10:08):
.
I want to hear about making thefilm as two women in the
industry Before I get there.
What's your shitter?
Did Louis Guzman give you guysa massive?
I mean, who doesn't love him asan actor?
Who's a huge actor?
Did he get the best actor or agood woman about your film.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh my gosh, so nice.
He actually came to our set.
He visited our set, which wasreally surreal and exciting and
helpful, yeah, incrediblyhelpful, because I don't think
anybody has more experience inthis business than Louis Guzman.
Literally spent his entire lifein this business and probably
the most famous Latino actor, orI don't know.
(10:49):
Famous is probably not theright word, or just.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Prolific, prolific.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Prolific is the right word.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think everyone recognizes him.
When they see him, they're like, oh my God, he's incredible.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, he has been in everything for decades, so he's
just amazing.
And then he was so kind.
He told me that my scriptbrought him to tears and that's
why he came to the set and toldme this incredible story about
reading it and learning thingsabout immigrants that he didn't
know before me and didn't knowhimself and that's really, I
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think, what kind of shocked himabout the story.
And that is really the wholepoint of the film is to just
give the audience a little bitof information about what these
people really go through and howsometimes people can not have a
country.
They can be so displaced theyliterally don't have a home.
There's a lot of disinformationabout people just trying to
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make a better life forthemselves, which absolutely.
People are trying to make abetter life for themselves, and
also that's a good thing to tryto make a better life for
yourself.
But there are also people thatliterally don't have a homeland
and don't have a country, andthat's a really serious, more
serious problem, I think.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And it's a wonderful opportunity to educate, right?
Fersei Films really wants toeducate with their projects, and
that's what we're hoping to dohere with Displaced yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think one of the things that I thought was so
touching about the film and Ihave to say congratulations,
because not only did your firstscript get you a ton of
attention for TikTok and touchon a hugely important issue such
as women's biological clocks,but the second one gets a
compliment from one of thebiggest actors in the world,
character actors particularly,which I think most people have
(12:36):
more respect for Right, and youget this huge compliment from
him.
It also touches on an incrediblyimportant issue and it
highlights what doesn't gettalked about Because, you see, I
think most people know thetruth about most situations is
gray, it is not black and whiteand it is not the opposite ends
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of the spectrum that we getshown in most mass media and it
creates these sort of fenceposts for most people that they
hang onto and we can't moveforward when that happens.
And your film does such abeautiful job of just pointing
someone in the right directionto see the complexity.
Was that something that youintentionally set out to do?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, because that's what I experienced when I was
accompanying undocumentedimmigrants to their court
appearances, and I actually sawpeople's lives being destroyed
over paperwork, over paperworkwritten in another language that
they didn't, wasn't explainedto them or they didn't
necessarily even understand.
(13:39):
And also people that have tocheck in with ICE because ICE
doesn't know what to do withthem or because there's no place
to put them or we're sort of inthis broken system that's
overrun and so they're justchecking in with ICE as much as
they can and going every singletime and having to get a
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babysitter, and having to taketime off of work and pay money
to come into the city to go totheir ICE check-ins, and then
sometimes ICE just decides inthat moment we're going to take
you and they just take them offand there's no opportunity to
call a lawyer or to talk totheir family or to even let
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their children know what'shappened.
There were so many instanceslike that that I just was like
people need to just know thatthis broken system is really
hurting human beings and yes,there's a lot of complexity to
the issue, but here in America Ifeel like we could do a better
job at just fixing our own sideof the street, so to speak,
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before we just point fingers atother countries and say, oh well
, it's their problem.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think one of the things that doesn't get spoken
about that I think is soimportant is look, I'm in the
middle of the road.
I see both perspectives.
Yes, I think it's ideal when wehave people who work their way
through the legal system, dothings legally.
There are some situations inwhich people don't really have
an option except somethingdesperate, and I think in that
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situation we should have a wayto manage and deal with that in
America.
That makes sense.
And you guys, I'm telling youright now, while a lot of people
will criticize an immigrant fornot knowing English well enough
to know the paperwork, orgetting booted, or having your
life ruined by something legalhappening, that happens every
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single day in America toAmericans who can speak English,
have lawyers and all of thosethings, because our system is so
broken and so dysfunctional,and I think the immigration
issue just highlights that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't think that I mean.
It's such a polarizing issue,right, people have very strong
opinions about it, but I don'tthink the media does a very good
job of focusing on what'sbroken and what can be fixed,
that's it.
You know that is not politicalat all.
There's nothing about thesystem that is political.
(16:08):
It's a system that was put inplace many years ago and it
needs to be updated.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And as it says most everything in our government,
right, I'm getting an updateright.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I'm getting older.
I need an update, so it'sunderstandable that the system
that was created so long ago,before we had so much
immigration into the states,would need to be updated, and we
hope that this film and thisdiscussion surrounding
immigration highlights that andshows solutions, what can be
(16:39):
done.
That's not polarizing, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And I think something that you just brought to mind
is that if Americans wereactually being properly taken
care of within their own country, we would have less A Americans
who were resentful and quick tograb on to the worst case
scenario situations that arehappening with immigration
because it's like a competition.
I think that's how they treatit.
(17:05):
Yeah, and also, mostpoliticians wouldn't be using
the immigration situation todistract people who are really
unhappy with the shitty job thatthey're doing at running our
government.
I mean, I'm just saying I thinkthat they're using it as a
football to keep peopledistracted from the fact that
they're not fixing the systemFor Americans, much less the
immigration system forimmigrants, which is broken.
(17:25):
It's a broken system andthey're becoming victims of it,
as are the American people whodon't understand how broken it
is it is one of many brokensystems really.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But one thing that I just wanted to point out what
you were saying earlier aboutthere are certain things that
are outdated or certain thingsthat a lot of people don't know
about this broken system.
One of the main takeaways frommy work with immigrants was that
you have to actually be onAmerican soil to apply for
asylum.
So a lot of these people thatare crossing the border quote
(17:58):
unquote illegally are turningthemselves in immediately.
They're going right to borderpatrol and they're like I'm here
to seek asylum, I'm on Americansoil, I'm here to seek asylum.
This is what's happened to me,this is what's going on in my
country and then they get stuckfor years and years and years
before they even get a courtdate, before they even
understand what the asylum lawsare.
For example, you have to applyfrom one year, from that point
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that you turn yourself in, and alot of them don't know that
information and they get stuckand they get put off and they
don't even realize that.
Oh no, they got to get thatpaperwork in somehow within that
year, otherwise they don'tqualify at all.
So there's just a lot of like.
If we could figure out a waywhere people could possibly
apply before they come, thatmight be helpful.
That's an example of somethingthat we could look at.
(18:43):
But I think a lot of peoplethink that they're just here to
be criminals.
And they're here and they'vealready criminalized themselves
because they've come overillegally.
But the truth is there's noeasy way to get here.
There's no easy system to getonto the soil into the asylum
process.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Now I think that's a really good point.
Actually, I think a lot ofpeople don't realize that they
have to get their feet ontoAmerican soil to be able to get
asylum.
So if somebody's desperate andthey're running to a country
that they think can help themand we have plenty of space just
saying our resources aren'tallocated properly, but we got
plenty of space and we do haveplenty of resources, they're
(19:23):
just not allocated properly butthey can't get here, they can't
get help and I think a lot ofpeople.
That doesn't get highlighted inthe medium.
Frankly, the truth, thecomplexity of the situation
doesn't get highlighted in themedia because it doesn't sell
clicks or views.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It doesn't necessarily have to be easy for
them to do, right?
Nobody is saying, oh, I wanteasy, I want easy, easy, easy.
But it should be clear sopeople understand what it is
they would need to do in orderto seek asylum or in order to
come to the States, if it's laidout, and then people can make a
determination as to whether ornot they can do it and make the
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choice for themselves.
But unfortunately, we don'teven want to do that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And I had this.
I have to share this becauseit's one of those moments where
we talk about sharing the truthon the show all the time and
every episode.
I'm talking about how we haveto get to the truth.
Through the truth we'll be ableto heal and we'll be able to
move forward and we'll be ableto create better systems.
I was at dinner with these twoladies, or we were doing
something for the event that wehave coming up or displaced
their short film, which israther fabulous.
They're going to plug thatreally quick and I said
(20:27):
something when we were we werehaving a debate actually right
here and I said something likewell, you know, they're giving
immigrants $2,200 a month, whichis more than people get for
Social Security.
Thank you, tucker Carlson.
I just have to mention who saidthat, because that's where I
got that from and I went andlooked it up and it's not true
and it's one of those things.
(20:48):
Since I said that, I haverepeatedly seen prestigious
journalists the state ofjournalism as a whole other
episode say that same thing andit's not actually the case.
So those are the kinds ofsoundbites that you keep getting
spread around is truth thataren't actually true at all.
Go look it up.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and also I just want to point out that those
kinds of soundbites trickle downto those who are coming over to
the border.
So they hear things likeBiden's open border, they're
giving $2,200 to every immigrantthat comes in, and then we have
this mass influx coming indroves and we're all like, oh,
no, no, no, no, what's happening?
We've got to stop it.
Yeah, but it is thisdisinformation, it is these
(21:30):
soundbites that are, I mean, notcompletely part of the problem.
They are coming over herebecause of climate change and
because they're running fromviolence and all kinds of other
things, but the huge uptick canalso be credited to a lot of the
disinformation and thesoundbites that are coming out
there.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So it's really dangerous Actually
disinformation is also not tosay that all the soundbites are
not rooted in some kernel oftruth, Because I think that's
why people feel they can getaway with these very you know
explosive soundbites Right,Because they say, well, it kind
of is true, but taken out ofcontext it explodes and it's
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just not useful.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yes, and you know, and just on the other opposite
end of that, just while we'retalking about soundbites and
truth and not truth, and when we, when we, when we layer
deception into an alreadycomplicated situation where
people are using the soundbitesto create extremes, it has both.
It has positives and negativeeffects on everybody.
We have situations likerecently.
(22:32):
President Biden did get calledout because he flew in.
I think it was I'm not going toquote a number it was a lot of
people secretly on airplanes andhid the fact from the public.
And when our politicians,including our president, do
things like that, it creates asense of distrust and all it
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does is empower the opposite endof the spectrum.
So the people who are very antiimmigrant are like see, there's
proof right there that they'regoing to rule in everything.
Take all of our jobs and and,and.
So you know, I would say justfrom this conversation you know,
be careful.
Social media is full of liesand soundbites that aren't true.
And not only will you soundlike a fool, like I did, by
(23:15):
telling people that immigrantsare getting $2,200 a month, but
it, like you said, it makes theproblem worse because people are
hearing that and they're goingoh my gosh.
In the US they're flying peoplein and they're giving them
$2,200 a month run.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And my question, too, is why don't we want to solve
these problems?
Why don't we want to have abetter place to live?
What is holding us back, youknow, from really like doing the
work we need?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
to.
Yeah, I mean, the truth is isthat people make a lot of money
off of people being afraid, andpoliticians get elected off of
fear.
Yes, and media loves a goodclickbait.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And a lot of companies are functioning off of
the backs of immigrants andthey don't want anyone to know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yep, and they don't want them to be on the books
because they don't want to haveto pay their taxes
and they don't want to have topay into the social security
system for them and so on.
So that's all true, and a goodrule of thumb is that it's never
all or nothing.
Yeah, like, like the openborders, closed borders, like
it's not a door that you canshut and lock, and it, you know,
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it's a very, very complicatedissue.
And so whenever you hear thingslike all of them are this or
this is all a lie, or this islike any all or nothing language
is usually a red flag for me.
That's usually what I'm like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's never that, it's never that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're never all criminals and they're also not
all asylum seekers yeah, andthey're not all other either.
A lot of them are familymembers of American citizens.
A lot of them are people withhuge connections here in America
.
A lot of them come over hereand do a really specialized job
and lose their visa, or you know, there's just there's so much
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complexity to.
The composer of our filmactually is was an immigrant and
he worked on the score forNarcos and had to go back
through immigration courtbecause his visa was running out
and immigration court actuallysaid oh, you're just a composer,
that's not a good enough job inthe film industry.
(25:26):
That's like not.
That's like it's notprestigious, prestigious enough.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
He's an incredible musician with these unbelievable
skills and system never valuedmusic for so many reasons we're
not going to go into today, butlet's just think about like
Narcos was such a huge, huge,huge, huge thing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No, it's Narcos, and everybody loved Narcos and it
was like it's such a huge partof, like our American culture,
these stories, and then you know, this is it's that whole unseen
labor doesn't get counted asequal, and it's just as
important.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, and also, you know, it's interesting that they
wouldn't value someone in thearts, right.
Because I think that art isreally what changes the world,
it's not politics.
Yeah, art comes first and youknow this, this momentum behind
artists and expressingthemselves and, you know,
speaking out about thingsthrough their art, is really
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what educates and what, whatbegins to change public opinions
.
Oh sorry, yeah, sorry aboutthat, and it's ridiculous to me
that we think, oh well, it'sonly politicians that, you know,
come up with all thesebrilliant ideas, when in fact
it's really artists.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Art is really the tool in which we communicate the
most pressing emotions,feelings, information.
It starts through art and thenit trickles down to everything
else.
So when art gets dismissed,we're dismissing the main tool
in which we speak to the humancondition.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And you know they historically.
If you go back to the Americanand this is going to not off
topic, it's actually quite ontopic because we're talking
about how bad the systems are Ifyou go back to how the American
education system was actuallyfundamentally created, it was
created to produce worker bees.
It literally says in theoriginal concept for how the
school system would be built,because it was built to produce
(27:23):
workers for the IndustrialRevolution.
It was literally it says in thepaperwork we do not want
artists, writers, poets,painters, we want worker bees.
We want people who do not thinkRockefeller right.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yes, rockefeller.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So so the whole American system was founded on,
and one of the reasons why thearts and physical, like physical
fitness, are members of kidsand cutting the art music the
first thing that goes.
The first thing that went wasarts and sports and I was like
the two things in school thatmost people who were like
neurodivergent or creative lovedthe most and were their tools
(28:02):
for enjoying life or getting cut.
It was a huge mistake in theAmerican systems.
So hopefully, when we redo theschool system, on top of
everything else I mean educationis such a huge, huge problem in
the country.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's really, it's really disgusting and also
consume the way we consumethings through entertainment.
Right, yeah, so not for thebetter, but news shows have
become entertainment, yeah, sowe're consuming it like we
consume art, yeah, which thereinlies a big problem, because
we're sometimes we consumethings that aren't necessarily
(28:35):
truthful, yet we're perceivingthem as truthful.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes, and I'm glad to see most people get to a place
now, which is one of the reasonswhy I did an episode.
Guys, go back and watch theepisode before this.
Right before this, when Iinterviewed Pulitzer nominated
journalist Rose Horwitz aboutthe state of the media, and we
talk a lot about this topic.
So definitely go check thatepisode of Citizen Journalist
out.
It's one of our most popularepisodes and so to bring it back
(28:59):
to you, to you know the topicat hand.
I know, as a female entrepreneur, I know you guys know what I'm
talking about.
I was working on a fundraisingdeck for got the cast media and
I looked up fundraising forwomen in less than 3%.
I want people to really hearthis because you wonder what I
hear men say this a lot of timeswith women were really good at
business, they'd be more bane.
(29:20):
Yeah, and not all men are likethat.
I want to be very clear aboutthat.
I know you really supportwomen's issues, but less than 3%
of venture capital less than 3%of venture capital and some of
those charts measured it at 1.81.9% of venture capital is given
to women's companies.
(29:40):
So we still deal with the worldthat is very heavily weighted
towards supporting men'sbusinesses, men's positions of
power, women in the filmindustry, in the entertainment
industry, which are very muchstill done by mostly men.
How are you guys dealing withthat disparity?
(30:01):
You know the sort of disparityof being in a male dominated
industry still.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's a great question.
I will say that I do thinkthings are changing a little bit
and we have been getting someattention by being a female
owned company, which is great.
I think in some ways it likehelps us kind of stand out and
certainly as we go through thefestival circuit you want to
talk a little bit.
Christina has been really ontop of our festival submissions
and I think we found that a lotof them are looking for
(30:28):
diversity.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're looking for diversity and, you know, as a
female driven business, we'rejust that.
And it's interesting too,because I think the stories that
we're drawn to tell are verycomplex and have, you know, have
an interesting like road and itgets away from.
(30:50):
Not that we wouldn't, you know,do something that has a little
bit more levity to it, but thosestories, I think, are very easy
for us to tell because we havea different perspective on the
world, right, just like as aresult of being women.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, we understand marginalized communities.
Yeah, we know what it is to beleft out.
We feel it all the time witheverything.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But also I think we don't focus on like my answer to
your question about you know,how do we deal with the you know
so few women are beingrecognized is.
I don't think we focus on thatBecause that would just hold us
back.
We prefer to focus on what weknow, what we can do, what we
feel confident about, and thathas taken us a long way in just
looking at, like, the things wehave in the pipeline to you know
(31:40):
, we have a wealth of stories.
They just sort of keep coming.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So I know we like we.
We have to stop sometimes andbe like we cannot come up with
another idea.
Actually, just pick an idea andwork on it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Oh, I know Ideas are off the chart, yeah when we go
to dinner it's like an idea festbecause all three of us are
creators.
You know it's interesting.
I love get Greta Gore-Wig and Ithought she did an incredible
job with the.
She really did an incrediblejob with the Barbie movie.
I did personally and I evenwrote an article about this.
I feel like I felt like peoplewanted her to win simply because
(32:16):
she was a woman.
I'm not saying she didn'tdeserve it.
I don't know that topic wellenough.
I will say that I don't thinkit helps when we let
corporations reposition theirbrand in history through the
arts.
I think that that there's adeception there that actually
makes the new.
It complicates the situation.
It's already complicated enougheven further.
(32:38):
But I'm glad to hear thatyou're in applying for the film
festivals.
You guys are seeing diversityas a big push.
I think that's incredible.
Yeah, what is it that you would?
What would you like to ideallysee happen with your short film
displaced?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, we've got a couple of different ideas.
First of all, there is thefestival circuit and we are
doing that, but we don't want tojust do that, which is usually
the path for short films.
Like short films just go intothe festival circuit and people
go and watch them and that'spretty much it.
But festivals are really forfilmmakers and we made this film
(33:20):
to educate people.
So we're actually going touniversities.
We've reached out to severaluniversities in Texas and other
places, but right now we'refocused on Texas because this
issue is in Texas.
Yeah, and we are really we'rebuilding a package where we can
go into these universities,screen the film, have these
(33:43):
discussions with the students,possibly do a workshop about
social impact work and usingyour art and your creativity
that you're learning in schoolto really make a difference in
the world.
So we want to inspire youngpeople because they are the
future.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
And also it's an election year and most of them
don't vote.
And it drives me crazy, frankly.
This is such an important issueit's bigger than any award
right.
So to really get it out topeople so that they can learn
something would be ideal andwould be extremely rewarding for
us.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And after it runs its full circuit on both the
university front or communityfront and the festival front,
then eventually it will beonline and we'll be able to get
it to everybody.
But there's a lot of rulesabout premieres and things.
You want to put somethingonline and everybody can get to
it really easily.
(34:33):
It gets harder and harder toactually target certain
audiences.
So that's where we are rightnow.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
we're targeting I love that.
So for the audience to know,one of the we came together to
do an event series calledSoundbites to Solutions because
we all passionately care about alot of social issues and we
chose Immigration as the firstone because there's so much hype
around their short filmdisplaced, and we thought, well,
(35:02):
take advantage of all the talkWhile we're getting you're
getting huge compliments frompeople like Louis Guzman and
that event.
I'm really excited about thatevent.
It's the first one in theseries Soul Text, soundbites to
Solutions, which is presented byFerrisay Films and its screens
displaced, and it also has apanel discussion with a group of
(35:25):
experts to talk aboutimmigration, and that includes
you guys as well.
The whole point of that eventseries, which will be going on
throughout 2024 in New York Cityand around the country, because
we've got big plans, is tocreate conversation about what
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is true, what is false and howdo we actually get to a place of
actually solving situations.
Because what I see most peopledoing, what I see most media
doing which is one of thereasons I found the film Soul
Refreshing is focusing on thefear-driven narratives within
the conversation that keep itfrom being solvable, because
(36:08):
there's a lot of vested groupsthat don't want the solutions
released, because they getelected based on the complexity
and the fear tactics.
They get people watching theirshows because of it.
They get to fund theirbusinesses off the backs of
immigrants, they get to makehuge profits off of the
immigrant labor and there's alot of people who have vested
(36:29):
interest in not getting to asolution.
But you know what?
We're determined to bring inthis conversation to the
forefront, along with othersocial issues.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And they're not, it's true.
I mean, hey, we don't want toignore the fact that we are a
capitalistic society.
Right, america is based oncapitalism, and there's nothing
wrong with wanting to make moneyor to amass wealth.
However, there is enough to goaround, and this concept that it
has to only be held by I'llselect few is really a limiting
(37:01):
belief, and so that's part of it, too, that there is enough of
us to solve the problem and tosteal, amass wealth and have a
good life and also give someoneelse a good life.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, and also like human rights are important.
The economy is very importantAlso, human rights are really
important and there's definitelya way to have a successful,
booming, abundant economy andstill have people keeping their
own rights.
And I feel like that's when itcomes to human rights and people
(37:39):
get all polarized about anissue people are making a very
few amount of.
People are making a whole lotof money in that instance.
But, if we can all just find away to have our different
opinions and have our differentperspectives but still
appreciate and respect eachother as Americans.
If we can get to that place,then we can all support each
(38:01):
other.
We can all have a piece of thepie.
There's enough pie foreverybody.
I mean, it's America.
We have the best economy in theworld and we still do, and
we're holding on to by a thread,by a thread.
So we really need to all worktogether to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I don't mean to sound like a doomsayer, but I believe
that we have to come up with anew American dream, because the
American dream that we hadbefore which is what was the
main driver of people wanting tobe engaged in the workforce in
the way that they used to careWithout an American dream, with
the one that we had beforecollapsing, we have not gifted
the younger generations with thepath in, the tools that drive
(38:42):
them.
They give them hope that makethem wanna work towards a
solution that make them wanna bevested in, and on top of that,
you add, in AI, and the world isreally changing dramatically.
But I think that highlightsthat this is such a huge moment
in which we can collectively sayit's not working, what we've
been doing is not working.
It's time for us to all stopbickering it's like a tug of war
(39:04):
, no, that nobody ever wins andsay, okay, let's meet in the
middle and say what are thesolutions to the situation?
That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Nobody wins and the truth is is if you took all of
the undocumented immigrants andyou rounded them up and you
pulled them out of this country,our economy would call a little
bit like the unpaid femalelabor.
Yes, I'm in America.
Thank you for bringing it up.
That is absolutely true, shaman.
Also, women hold up the globaleconomy with invisible labor as
(39:34):
they caretake for their youngergeneration and the previous
generation.
We are always the emotionalsupport for everyone, which is
why we're so tired right no.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I think, that's a great topic for another episode
of citizen journalists, becausethere's one country I think it
was Iceland where the womenbrought the entire country to a
halt.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, over 2% of equality.
They were like 98% equal andthey were like no, that's not
enough, we want 100%.
So we're just gonna stopworking until you give us 100%
equality.
If we do in America, I mean itwouldn't take long.
I give, I give America one daywithout the women.
Oh yeah, before they wouldthink differently.
They would be like no and kindof the same thing with the
(40:15):
immigrants too, like what if allthe immigrants just stopped
Building our buildings andtaking care of our elderly and
being the nanny and being thecook.
And you know every restaurant.
You go to Every restaurant justabout.
Even if it's a Chineserestaurant, it's usually a Latin
American.
You know immigrant cooking thefood.
You pull all those people out.
(40:36):
Who's gonna pick the orangesfrom the trees?
Who's?
You know there's a lot of jobsthat they do that Americans
don't want.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh yeah, Especially the young.
I'm not trying to poke make funof the younger generations, but
they're not really big on whatthey consider beneath them.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, they don't jobs to that.
They have YouTube channels andthey figured out other ways to
make money.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Producers, and good for them.
This is just it.
There's enough to go right yetagain.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I think one of the things that was so fascinating
to me about the closures Wasthat what we proved was that we
can take care of everybody whenwe want to as a country.
It's amazing we can also telleveryone what to do and take the
rights away.
But that's a whole other topicfor another episode, but also I
noticed there were no homelesspeople during the pandemic.
(41:25):
Amazing know where I wentwhether any homeless people, so
for a couple years we couldactually take care of our
homeless people.
I thought that's amazing.
And then, right after once theclosures were done and things
went back to business, thehomeless people are back and now
there's more of them than ever.
So fascinating topics.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Mental health crisis has gotten so much worse.
Yeah, and that's.
You know, that's a wholeanother episode.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
But I mean these are many topics that fair, safe,
balance will be exploring, yeahthat right there.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
All right, I love that.
You guys so for audience wantedto learn more about the work
that you guys do.
Where would they go they visit,oh?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, I have a website called tiffani Hodges
calm where you can go foreverything.
I also write a sub stack for awomen's group called among other
things.
So if you go to sub stack andyou do a Google or a search for
among other things everything,there is stuff that I write
about.
Many of them we've talked about.
Many of the topics that I writeabout we've talked about in
(42:32):
this.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I said as well and you can find me at Christina
doicus calm.
Additionally, please visit ourwebsite Displaced short film
calm and you can learn all aboutfair say there and about our
film displaced.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Also, if you go to fair say films calm, you'll find
this place for a film.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, lots of different.
I'm like I'm pretty sure theycan go to fair, say films to.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Google any of these words.
Yeah, you'll find us All right.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh well, you guys, if you're not already subscribed
to citizen journalists, what'swrong with you?
Ah, you should subscribe,because here we talk about
solutions over Over sound bites,to stick with our theme, and we
cover all different types oftopics.
If you want to learn more aboutthe show, go visit gothic house
media and you will see a pagefor Citizen journalists there.
(43:22):
You can also visit soul techdot world to learn all about
soul tech and about myself,shaman ices.
Thanks you guys for coming andhanging out.
Go check out my social media aswell.
You guys have been coming andmaking some really incredible
comments about the show, so Ireally appreciate that.
So go find us on social mediaand on our websites, and we'll
see you here pretty soon foranother episode of citizen
(43:44):
journalists.
Have a beautiful and blessedweek.
Bye, hi.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That's really good, I had to tell you.
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