October 5, 2024 • 35 mins
What happens when a cherished pet becomes a source of profound grief? Join us as we explore this poignant topic with Rachel Shirley, a devoted advocate for grieving pet owners. During the pandemic, Rachel found her calling in comforting those who have lost beloved animal companions, and she shares the insights and healing messages from her new book, "Pet Loss and Divine Healing." Together, we uncover the unique ways individuals experience grief, whether mourning a pet or a human loved one, reflecting on the deep bonds we form with our furry friends and the emotions that arise when they are gone.
Grief is not just an emotional response but an opportunity for personal growth and spiritual connection. With Rachel, we discuss the often overlooked impact of losing a pet and how societal norms may fail to recognize the depth of this pain. We delve into how grief manifests from various life changes, such as losing a job or a sense of identity, and how faith can serve as a supportive anchor during these tumultuous times. Our conversation underscores the significance of community support and the comfort that can be found in shared experiences, ultimately highlighting the importance of acknowledging and honoring each individual's unique journey through loss.
As we navigate the complexities of grief, we emphasize the power of integrating faith into the healing process. Whether crafting a personal retreat to deepen one's relationship with God or embracing the role of the church as a welcoming space for all, the path to healing is diverse and deeply personal. Through heartfelt prayers and stories, we remind everyone of their inherent value and potential, encouraging listeners to carry messages of hope and healing into the world. Join our spiritual journey as we promise more inspiration and fellowship in future episodes, helping us all to embrace our divine purpose with love and gratitude.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, hello, and welcome back one more time.
God's diamonds in the rough.
We are so glad to be before you, amen.
We hope all is well where youare.
Amen.
We are so, again, just soexcited to be before you Every
time we're able to minister andbe a light for the kingdom to
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really highlight the diamondthat God has put inside of you.
Amen.
It's always a blessing to us.
Michael is not here.
He's not here today, but I dohave somebody with me, amen, and
her name is Rachel Shirley, andI'm going to let her introduce
herself here in just a fewmoments.
(00:50):
Amen.
Uh, y'all know what we got todo.
Before we do anything, let'spray.
So, father, we thank you so muchfor your grace and your mercy.
Thank you, god, for allowing usthis time and this opportunity,
father, to get into aconversation that's going to
help your people.
I pray, in the name of Jesus,that we can be a light for you.
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We pray, god, that the wordsthat we speak will be like words
of life, words of encouragement, words of testimony even to the
power in your hand over ourlives.
I pray that every heart that ishere is here to seek your face.
I pray, god, that you wouldspeak to their need, speak to
their problem, speak to theissue at hand.
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Father, we love you so much, sovery grateful, so thankful.
We pray this prayer in themighty name of Jesus Christ.
We do pray, amen, amen and amen.
Hallelujah Y' Christ, we dopray, amen, amen and amen,
hallelujah Y'all.
I'm excited.
I'm excited about thisconversation.
So, without further ado, wewant you, ms Rachel, to say
(01:57):
hello to everybody and tell us alittle bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, thank you so much , catherine.
Thank you for having me.
Amen, amen, amen to yourbeautiful prayer, glory to God.
Thank you so much for all thatyou are doing.
Amen, and I just I'm, I'mhumbled and appreciative of of
all the work that God has youdoing.
So thank you for that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yes, well, um, my name is Rachel, as you mentioned
.
Uh, last name is Shirley.
Thanks to my husband, I havetwo first names.
That's all right, that's right.
Yes, yeah, and God has me rightnow serving people in the pet
(02:50):
loss community, and that reallywasn't on my radar until COVID
hit, and then it came onto myradar, so I jumped into the
field and I'm very grateful tobe able to hold space and walk
(03:10):
alongside families and petparents that are grieving the
loss of their beloved pet, and Ijust recently wrote a book and
it feels pretty cool to do that.
I, as you can imagine, workingin this space is very heavy and
(03:30):
so I can only do so much.
So I thought and my clientswere asking to to write a book.
So at least you know some ofGod's healings.
You know through my words cancan touch them from afar.
So so, yeah, that's what godhas me up to right now amen.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's awesome, because I would be the first one
to admit I didn't know that wasa thing.
Amen uh to to have somebodythat would be invested, even uh
to those who are grieving theloss of a pet.
I think that that is absolutelya wonderful work and it also
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shows us that God useseverything to his glory.
Everything was made and createdby him and for him, amen.
So that is awesome, that workthat you are doing, and you know
we wish you so many blessingsin it.
Uh, so today, amen to god.
(04:31):
So today, we're gonna kind of uh, I'm still searching to
pinpoint exactly where thespirit wants to take us on today
.
Uh, but, I think that the mainum point that that should be
discussed is how we deal withgrief how we deal with grief,
(04:53):
whether it's a pet, um, someone,that, someone that we care
about or something that mattersto us, and we lose it.
Uh, can you kind of describewhat that looks like and you
know what we can expect when wedo grieve?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, yes, it's a great question.
I love your heart to reallytake a deeper dive into this,
because grief is different foreverybody, you know.
As God made us so uniquelydifferent, we all grieve in
different ways and you may befamiliar.
(05:31):
There's, you know, like thefive stages of grief.
In pet loss and in other lossthere's more than five stages,
right.
I never really refer to them, Ijust say, listen, god has us
doing different things atdifferent times and that's OK.
So it's really about supportingand knowing that you're going
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to get through it.
Whatever the grief is, you'regoing to get through it.
We don't ever get over it,really, right?
Whether it's a loss of a job, aloss of a family member, a pet
loss of identity, right, we canreally grieve that a loss of
identity that we wrappedourselves in.
(06:15):
So grief really is thisbeautiful place and I say
beautiful where God uses thatmoment, where we have a choice,
where we can really get grounded, yeah, and get back to our
roots, our roots and yeah, andyou know, and then learn to move
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forward and surround ourselveswith community, to really pour
into us.
Or we can go do the unhealthyhabits you know drinking alcohol
, going to food, going to sex,going to all different things,
right.
That's just kind of a societalthing that is much more
(07:01):
acceptable, Right.
But we have a choice,definitely we have a choice,
definitely we have a choice howwe can grieve.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Absolutely yeah.
So you know, I like what youjust said and it makes perfect
sense back to him and it willrenew, refresh and restore what
the loss has brought.
I mean, that's really whatyou're saying, right, yes, yes,
(07:47):
it's like.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yes, it's like maybe we thought things were good and
in fact, you know, god'sstripping away sometimes, right,
I mean, there's no guaranteethat our animals and our humans
are going to be with us ourwhole life, that our animals and
our humans are going to be withus our whole life, so our jobs
or whatever it may be.
So it's kind of this strippingaway and we can stay in the good
(08:11):
and or we can leave the goodand go to better and God has so
much more for us, even in thegrief and what I like to share
with families.
And it's kind of funny how Godworks, as you know.
But you know, on my website itsays I'm a woman of faith.
(08:35):
I talk about it.
But really a lot of my clients Iwould say about 80% are non
believers or they're pissed offat God or whatever it may be.
And I just, you know I'm, I'mhere to serve.
You know I roll up my sleeves.
How can I help?
I'm here, I'm not here to judgeyou.
And at the same time, if theconversation does come up, I let
them know they can be pissedoff at God.
(08:56):
God can handle it, you know,right, we can get pissed off.
He wants to hear that.
He just wants that relationshipso he can say I love you, I've
got you in this and I've gotsomething better for you.
It's okay, and you'll see themin heaven Maybe not in the law,
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but animals and people.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So yeah, yeah, I love what you're saying because you
know that's the heart.
The heart of God says you knowI love you and he wants us to
treat each other that way andsay I love you.
Yeah, you see more and more nowwhere people are running to the
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lives of animals because youhave people who think that, oh,
because animals are animals andthey aren't people, that they're
insignificant again as we saidin the beginning, god created
everything for him.
You know, even animals werecreated and when you think about
(10:02):
it, in creation animals,animals were created before
people were created.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He had his mind on animals just as well as he did
humans, even though humans werehere first, even before the
animals.
But everything had to bemaintained and all of that.
But you know the point of thematter is?
Is that animals?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
do matter.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And again focusing back on that grief what does
that grief look like?
I think we might have discussedthat once or twice on the show
about grief, but can you?
What does that grief?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
look like.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And to you and what god has showed you.
How does it look and how do youhandle it?
I mean yeah, yeah, and youfurther, just further kind of
dig into that.
What?
Does it look like some peopledon't know.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So the the grief and I'm going to share from my
personal experience and thenalso my professional experience
and working with so many youknow families throughout the
years all over the world.
It's a devastating pain.
The grief is often described asunbearable and it really comes
(11:23):
at like blindsiding, like a hugeum weight, and a lot of
confusion happens with it, andone of the reasons why is
because people will share thatthis grief.
What they're going through isso traumatizing and traumatic
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and just devastating.
They can't wrap around theirhead around it, even more than a
human in their life that haspassed.
And then they get reallyconfused and shame comes upon
them or, you know, the enemywants that to happen, right, um?
And and I just gently remindthem that this relationship is
(12:10):
different and our society likesto rank deaths right, your
grandmother's death is much moreimportant than your kitty cat's
death.
You know people will say thosethings and that's simply not
true because they don't know thespecific relationships and
oftentimes we spend a lot oftime with our animals.
(12:31):
They're in our house, theysleep in our beds, they're with
us 24-7.
And they're everything that Ibelieve God is unconditional
love, forgiveness, loyalty,nonjudgmental all those things.
So that relationship's reallydeep.
(12:52):
So the grief part is justreally devastating.
It's crying headaches, brainfog, you know, can't sleep,
can't eat, or eating overeating,can't eat or eating overeating.
I mean just all these differentthings happen at once,
especially the emotional, tryingto understand what just
(13:13):
happened, um, and and justreally being in this place of
sometimes I don't want to liveanymore, I want to go to heaven
with them.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is is what people will say that's, that's powerful
, that's, I mean, diamonds.
Yeah, so the point of diamonds,what am I saying?
Um, I think of what I'm sayingis is that you know your
feelings and attachments to youranimals is valid and, just like
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a human being, you have togrieve that.
You can expect it.
You can expect that Like, forexample, a puppy.
We had a baby I mean not a baby, a puppy from his birth and my
son.
He moved out of of the houseand we still had the puppy.
(14:09):
So about?
seven years we had this puppy umI mean we.
This is growing up.
God, he even had a littlegoatee, little turn white.
Oh, I love it well, needless tosay, um, we ended up, um, his
(14:29):
he.
We ended up giving him to myson to take care of where he was
and it was just, it was kind ofdramatic.
It was just like oh, wow, youknow, and and then we also had
his brother as well and, uh,where my brother and his wife
and they were moving, theycouldn't have him.
So they actually gave him toanother family and I was just
(14:50):
really sad that I said to myself, am I crying over a dog?
But I, I absolutely get it andyou know, it's like it's just
one of those things where youknow just as much as as as a
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person in a relationship,animals work the same way.
So let me ask you this yeah,where are you located?
Are you located in a placewhere people can get to you?
Are there a lot of you around,people who do what you do?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
There.
There aren't too many, it'sactually the field is, um,
becoming more noticeable?
Um, definitely, which is a goodthing.
(15:49):
Um, I'm actually located inCharlotte area.
My husband and I moved hereabout a year ago from Florida
and a lot of all my clients areonline.
We have phone calls or zoom,whatever they feel most
comfortable with, and otherpeople that are in the field.
I mean, there's no competition.
We're all here to serve, sothey're all over the country too
(16:10):
, which is really great.
You know there's online supportgroups, things like that.
So I do hear often that clientswish that there was like a
local support group that theycould actually go to, because I
think with COVID, you know, wejust kind of got over the
isolation piece.
We really want community, youknow, connection.
(16:32):
So there's definitely tons ofonline support groups and there
are some in different cities.
You can just Google and find inyour city if there's a pet law
support group.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So you don't have one where people can actually come
and y'all gather together.
No, maybe there's something inthe near future.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, I know Amen, I receive it.
I've been thinking about that.
I've been thinking about thatsome type of retreat, you know,
for people that really you knowwant to celebrate their
relationship with God and do thedeep work right and celebrate
their sweet one in heaven too.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, Because, like you said, you want to go from
good to the best.
You know what I mean and youknow.
And when you do that, you can't.
You know when you understand,you know that what you're going
through is okay, you can becomean encouragement and
enlightenment to somebody else.
That's going through that.
Don't know nothing about, uh,about people who who do it for
(17:44):
you know, do it as a professionor whatever.
Have you?
You know?
Yeah, so amen.
Yes, you say you have a website.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I do.
Yeah, it's Rachel dashShirleycom.
Yeah, that's how people find me.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and you have a book as well.
How do they get your book?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
yes, yes, it's pet loss and divine healing, thank
you, yes, and it's acompassionate guide for
navigating your devastating lossand it's faith-based.
So there's some people thataren't gonna like it, which we
know.
That's.
God's got it, it's okay, youknow.
(18:27):
So I speak about God and I havescripture in there and that's
who I am and and so, yeah, I Isupport people through the book
and then when people call me oremail me, yeah, oh, I just, I
love all every.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The topic at hand is absolutely important, but I, I
just love how you're making surepeople understand that I love
Jesus and he is the reason why,and you know, we both.
I'm sure I can speak for you,msirley that we want to
(19:05):
encourage you as a diamond tothat.
It's okay, you know that isabsolutely okay for you to do
what you do for the glory of godand serve those that aren't
saved.
Hear what I said yeah, somepeople they, they are saved and
they don't want to serve thosethat are unsaved right, you know
(19:29):
you're hitting on one of mythings, right now really talk
about yeah, I've got god bumps.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm gonna cry right now.
I mean because yeah, add to it.
Come on, add to it.
I really I I feel that God isshifting some of my work into
speaking to other believers andhelping come alongside them.
In the Hertz ministry, I thinkthat there are a lot of, you
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know, fellow believers that aresearching for their purpose and
you know, is it secular, is itnot All these things?
And I really just want to comealongside them and say no, no,
there.
Is it secular, is it not allthese things?
And I really just want to comealongside them and say no, no,
no, no.
Listen, it's everybody andGod's got it.
And just roll up your sleevesand get in there.
They're believers.
(20:19):
They're not believers.
We are going to be persecuted.
I'm experiencing that and that'spart of of this.
I cry on my husband's shoulder,or, like we say, you can have a
pity party for like 10 minutes.
I tell him that.
He tells me that, right, likeall right, just pick up.
God's got this.
You know our flesh can get hurtsometimes, but it's really
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that's where the fruit of thespirit is is really, really just
diving in and coming alongsidepeople, because how else are
they going to see Jesus Exactly?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Exactly At the end of the day, at the end of the day.
Actually my daughter.
She has her lifestyle, that'sall I'll say.
She has her lifestyle and shejust told me.
She said you know, I went to achurch and before I could get
through the door the woman toldme I can't come here because of
(21:14):
her lifestyle.
I said I'm sorry for that,because the reality is that, as
people of God, we're supposed tobe helping those that don't
know the way.
How can you really be the lightif you don't make the people
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comfortable in the light?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's right.
And the church is a hospital.
Hello, it's not there as acountry club where you know you
have to be a certain way, and no, it's a hospital.
That's that's.
You know what.
We're here to let our hair downand have a safe place to not be
judged.
I'm so sorry she.
She went through that it's andthat's a common story, right?
(22:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
unfortunately.
Well, the church, I mean, andit's, it's, and this is why, and
this is why we have god'sdiamonds in the rough, but the
rough symbolizes the hard placesand the fact that god has a yet
for everybody yeah, the yeahyou know, because you might not
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be where I am, but you'redefinitely on the way.
Even though you got troubles andyou got things going on in your
life and you've chosen thewrong path and all of that, he
still loves you, because Ihaven't always been who I am.
I think this is the piece thatpeople forget, is that?
(22:43):
You haven haven't always beenwho you are, and every last one
of us has a story every last oneof us has lost somebody.
Every last one of us has haslost something that we held
value to and, at the same time,can't allow the things that
(23:07):
we've lost to become or be apart of our identity amen, yeah
amen, absolutely, absolutely.
That's a huge message rightthere, absolutely I feel like,
yeah, sometimes this is how wefall into those traps like
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alcoholism and drugs and thingslike that.
So, as you already mentioned,this is how we fall into it,
because we allow that thing tobecome a part of who we are.
And you know I mean, when youbuild a relationship, of course
you know it's going to become apart of you, but it can't allow
it to consume you.
That's right, and that griefcan do that right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, it can consume you and it can get comfy.
You know it can get comfy.
I can isolate here, I can sharemy story and get some sympathy.
You know it can get that wayfor sure.
And so it's really about makinghealthy decisions and allowing
(24:13):
you know the healthy way toallow the grief, to recognize it
, to talk about it, toacknowledge it, to release it
and then to pay it forward, justlike you said.
You know it's about paying itforward.
Okay, god's going to bringsomebody in my life that has
lost a pet or a job or something, and I've walked through that
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and I'm going to, you know,reach out and say here, how can
I help you?
You know I'm here to supportyou in any way possible, and
that's I help you.
You know I'm here to supportyou in any way possible, and
that's that's what we're here todo, is to pay it forward.
So, yes, you're right, it can.
Grief can become our identity,or really, if we go beyond it
and it's it's it can beuncomfortable to go on beyond it
(25:02):
, right, but there's so muchmore on the other side of it.
It's the the better, becausethat's really where we deepen
our relationship with God, and Ibelieve he just blesses the
socks off of us.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
it says you know what , yes, you can do this, and good
work.
And now let's, let's give you areprieve, you know, and that's
important, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And, and you know, to , kind of as we get ready to
wrap up here, I kind of you knowas I thinking about that
consumption thing.
You know, would you agree withthis thought?
I think that sometimes peoplethat are consumed by the loss or
consumed by the hurt, orwhatever have you, they become,
(25:55):
they become I'm trying to, I'mchoosing my words real carefully
, you can become.
You can, it can, almost, it'salmost.
Like people can want your pityso much and want you to feel so
sorry for them that you gettired of hearing the same story.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know how do we get past that?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean you have a thought for?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
that.
How do we get past being tiredof hearing the same story I?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
have an answer, let's see if you agree with the
answer um, let me just clarifyum past the story from ourselves
telling us the same story orothers that have gone through it
, that we're close with hearingthe same stories I think what I
mean is you know how people itseemed like it's always
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something wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's always something wrong, Always always, always.
And it's almost like we come toexpect something's wrong and
it's hard for us to see it anyother way.
And when we see them coming,it's oh gosh, I'm going the
other way.
They're about to ruin my day,you know, with their sob story
type of thing.
And my question is I mean, howdo you still serve in that?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
capacity.
Great, yes, thank you.
Thank you for clarifying it.
Yes, I actually kind of getreal honest.
I'm always honest, but I getreal honest yeah.
And I write this in my book too.
I learned long ago in recoveryso I've been sober, by the grace
(27:47):
of God for I don't know, Ithink over 13 years now from
alcohol.
I had an alcohol dependency, areal struggle with it.
But anyways, in recovery and Iused to lead and celebrate
recovery and things, and I, youknow, I, I learned and I have
this saying is this thoughthelpful or is it harmful?
And so I get real honest withpeople, you know, and say, okay,
(28:11):
I, I know that, you know we arenot diminishing or devaluing
what you're going through.
But you're also saying that youaren't happy and you know you,
you feel stuck.
So let's talk about our areyour thoughts helpful or are
they harmful?
And just really inviting themto the conversation to get
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honest with themselves.
Because how is it serving?
Is it serving you?
We do things, our thoughts,words and actions are all based
on, you know, if there's sometype of value and it's serving
in some capacity, whether it'shealthy or not right, it's doing
some type of service.
Otherwise we wouldn't do it.
(28:55):
So really just getting down tothe root of it, and sometimes
it's just having that questionapproached and saying, oh wow,
maybe this is.
It's really if I'm honest, it'sit's.
It's harmful that I keepthinking this way.
Okay, so let's work on somethings to to help you move
through this, not diminishing it, let's just move through it.
(29:18):
It not diminishing it, let'sjust move through it.
It had its place and now it'sdone.
You know, it's like God sayingpick up your mat.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, right, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, sometimes it's that tough love.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Right, you know, and that just absolutely hits the
nail on the head, because I saidI was thinking to myself
sometimes, you know,unfortunately I mean it's not
really unfortunate thing, but wehave to sometimes when it's
like, it's like almost likesomebody back in the wall with
the same old thing.
And the way to come out to backthem up off of you so you can
(30:00):
still serve them, is to tellthem the truth in love.
Yeah, tell them the truth inlove and you know, the
unfortunate part about that is,even when you're doing your best
to tell them the truth in love,they can still be hurt, they
can still be offended.
Be hurt, they can still beoffended.
(30:22):
But yeah, yeah, but the realityis is that when you do it
because god told you to, whenyou do it, eventually boys will.
They're gonna find out thatwhat they said to me, it wasn't
because they was judging me, itwasn't because they condemned me
, but it was because they trulydid love me.
That's right, amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
All right, I love how you say that.
Absolutely To God be the glory.
You all are doing amazing workin this capacity with your
audience.
You're doing amazing work,lifting them up and speaking
truth.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
To God be the glory.
It's giving a place for them tosay I belong in this world, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I love it.
I'm on somebody.
Yeah, hallelujah, yes.
So one more time, can you shareyour website and give a final
thought to our listeners, please?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Okay, yes, ma'am, yes , ma'am.
So my website is RachelR-A-C-H-E-L-S-H-I-R-L-E-Ycom,
and you can find me there, oryou can get my book on Amazon
it's Pet Loss and Divine Healing.
On Amazon You'll be able.
And I would say a final word ofencouragement is stick with God
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.
I mean no matter what, stickwith God.
Our world is full of compromiseand all of these messages that
look enticing but truthfully weknow that they are not, and god
is a good, good father, so sogood, and he loves us all and
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the fruit is there.
Just stick with him and stickwith people that are, um,
fellows, you know, serveeverywhere, but surround
yourself with people who canreally share the love of God and
remind you that you arevaluable and loved and adored by
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this world and also by yourheavenly father.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Hallelujah, amen.
Would you pray us out of ourconversation as well?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yes, yes, thank you, Heavenly Father, thank you so
much for this opportunity tocome alongside one another right
now, with all of the listenersand Catherine and I know
Michael's not here, but he is inspirit Amen, amen.
And I know Michael's not here,but he is in spirit, amen.
We just ask that you open ourhearts and you open our minds to
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everything that you have for us, lord.
We ask for a hedge ofprotection, as well as type of
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grief or resentment or anyoffense.
Lord, please help dig that outof their heart and let them know
that they are loved and adoredand have priceless work to do
here on earth and they are fullof purpose, lord, and help them
see that they are uniquelydesigned to be a diamond in the
rough.
That's what you called us to be, lord.
So I just ask for a hedge ofprotection and all of your
wisdom to be poured upon us sowe can be salt and light and
hands and feet in this beautifulworld.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
In Jesus' name amen, amen Amen, thank you so much,
miss rachel, for being here withme.
I just so so appreciate youhallelujah.
So, um, all right, y'all, y'allknow it, until the next time we
meet, you are a diamond in therough.
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Amen, blessings and love fromand love from us to you and
y'all.
Have a great and marvelous dayor night for some.
Amen.
We'll see you next week, andmuch love Amen.
Hello, hello, and welcome back one more time.
God's diamonds in the rough.
We are so glad to be before you, amen.
We hope all is well where youare.
Amen.
We are so, again, just soexcited to be before you Every
time we're able to minister andbe a light for the kingdom to
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really highlight the diamondthat God has put inside of you.
Amen.
It's always a blessing to us.
Michael is not here.
He's not here today, but I dohave somebody with me, amen, and
her name is Rachel Shirley, andI'm going to let her introduce
herself here in just a fewmoments.
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Amen.
Uh, y'all know what we got todo.
Before we do anything, let'spray.
So, father, we thank you so muchfor your grace and your mercy.
Thank you, god, for allowing usthis time and this opportunity,
father, to get into aconversation that's going to
help your people.
I pray, in the name of Jesus,that we can be a light for you.
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We pray, god, that the wordsthat we speak will be like words
of life, words of encouragement, words of testimony even to the
power in your hand over ourlives.
I pray that every heart that ishere is here to seek your face.
I pray, god, that you wouldspeak to their need, speak to
their problem, speak to theissue at hand.
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Father, we love you so much, sovery grateful, so thankful.
We pray this prayer in themighty name of Jesus Christ.
We do pray, amen, amen and amen.
Hallelujah Y' Christ, we dopray, amen, amen and amen,
hallelujah Y'all.
I'm excited.
I'm excited about thisconversation.
So, without further ado, wewant you, ms Rachel, to say
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hello to everybody and tell us alittle bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, thank you so much , catherine.
Thank you for having me.
Amen, amen, amen to yourbeautiful prayer, glory to God.
Thank you so much for all thatyou are doing.
Amen, and I just I'm, I'mhumbled and appreciative of of
all the work that God has youdoing.
So thank you for that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yes, well, um, my name is Rachel, as you mentioned
.
Uh, last name is Shirley.
Thanks to my husband, I havetwo first names.
That's all right, that's right.
Yes, yeah, and God has me rightnow serving people in the pet
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loss community, and that reallywasn't on my radar until COVID
hit, and then it came onto myradar, so I jumped into the
field and I'm very grateful tobe able to hold space and walk
(03:10):
alongside families and petparents that are grieving the
loss of their beloved pet, and Ijust recently wrote a book and
it feels pretty cool to do that.
I, as you can imagine, workingin this space is very heavy and
(03:30):
so I can only do so much.
So I thought and my clientswere asking to to write a book.
So at least you know some ofGod's healings.
You know through my words cancan touch them from afar.
So so, yeah, that's what godhas me up to right now amen.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's awesome, because I would be the first one
to admit I didn't know that wasa thing.
Amen uh to to have somebodythat would be invested, even uh
to those who are grieving theloss of a pet.
I think that that is absolutelya wonderful work and it also
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shows us that God useseverything to his glory.
Everything was made and createdby him and for him, amen.
So that is awesome, that workthat you are doing, and you know
we wish you so many blessingsin it.
Uh, so today, amen to god.
(04:31):
So today, we're gonna kind of uh, I'm still searching to
pinpoint exactly where thespirit wants to take us on today
.
Uh, but, I think that the mainum point that that should be
discussed is how we deal withgrief how we deal with grief,
(04:53):
whether it's a pet, um, someone,that, someone that we care
about or something that mattersto us, and we lose it.
Uh, can you kind of describewhat that looks like and you
know what we can expect when wedo grieve?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, yes, it's a great question.
I love your heart to reallytake a deeper dive into this,
because grief is different foreverybody, you know.
As God made us so uniquelydifferent, we all grieve in
different ways and you may befamiliar.
(05:31):
There's, you know, like thefive stages of grief.
In pet loss and in other lossthere's more than five stages,
right.
I never really refer to them, Ijust say, listen, god has us
doing different things atdifferent times and that's OK.
So it's really about supportingand knowing that you're going
(05:54):
to get through it.
Whatever the grief is, you'regoing to get through it.
We don't ever get over it,really, right?
Whether it's a loss of a job, aloss of a family member, a pet
loss of identity, right, we canreally grieve that a loss of
identity that we wrappedourselves in.
(06:15):
So grief really is thisbeautiful place and I say
beautiful where God uses thatmoment, where we have a choice,
where we can really get grounded, yeah, and get back to our
roots, our roots and yeah, andyou know, and then learn to move
(06:40):
forward and surround ourselveswith community, to really pour
into us.
Or we can go do the unhealthyhabits you know drinking alcohol
, going to food, going to sex,going to all different things,
right.
That's just kind of a societalthing that is much more
(07:01):
acceptable, Right.
But we have a choice,definitely we have a choice,
definitely we have a choice howwe can grieve.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Absolutely yeah.
So you know, I like what youjust said and it makes perfect
sense back to him and it willrenew, refresh and restore what
the loss has brought.
I mean, that's really whatyou're saying, right, yes, yes,
(07:47):
it's like.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yes, it's like maybe we thought things were good and
in fact, you know, god'sstripping away sometimes, right,
I mean, there's no guaranteethat our animals and our humans
are going to be with us ourwhole life, that our animals and
our humans are going to be withus our whole life, so our jobs
or whatever it may be.
So it's kind of this strippingaway and we can stay in the good
(08:11):
and or we can leave the goodand go to better and God has so
much more for us, even in thegrief and what I like to share
with families.
And it's kind of funny how Godworks, as you know.
But you know, on my website itsays I'm a woman of faith.
(08:35):
I talk about it.
But really a lot of my clients Iwould say about 80% are non
believers or they're pissed offat God or whatever it may be.
And I just, you know I'm, I'mhere to serve.
You know I roll up my sleeves.
How can I help?
I'm here, I'm not here to judgeyou.
And at the same time, if theconversation does come up, I let
them know they can be pissedoff at God.
(08:56):
God can handle it, you know,right, we can get pissed off.
He wants to hear that.
He just wants that relationshipso he can say I love you, I've
got you in this and I've gotsomething better for you.
It's okay, and you'll see themin heaven Maybe not in the law,
(09:17):
but animals and people.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So yeah, yeah, I love what you're saying because you
know that's the heart.
The heart of God says you knowI love you and he wants us to
treat each other that way andsay I love you.
Yeah, you see more and more nowwhere people are running to the
(09:42):
lives of animals because youhave people who think that, oh,
because animals are animals andthey aren't people, that they're
insignificant again as we saidin the beginning, god created
everything for him.
You know, even animals werecreated and when you think about
(10:02):
it, in creation animals,animals were created before
people were created.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He had his mind on animals just as well as he did
humans, even though humans werehere first, even before the
animals.
But everything had to bemaintained and all of that.
But you know the point of thematter is?
Is that animals?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
do matter.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And again focusing back on that grief what does
that grief look like?
I think we might have discussedthat once or twice on the show
about grief, but can you?
What does that grief?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
look like.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And to you and what god has showed you.
How does it look and how do youhandle it?
I mean yeah, yeah, and youfurther, just further kind of
dig into that.
What?
Does it look like some peopledon't know.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So the the grief and I'm going to share from my
personal experience and thenalso my professional experience
and working with so many youknow families throughout the
years all over the world.
It's a devastating pain.
The grief is often described asunbearable and it really comes
(11:23):
at like blindsiding, like a hugeum weight, and a lot of
confusion happens with it, andone of the reasons why is
because people will share thatthis grief.
What they're going through isso traumatizing and traumatic
(11:47):
and just devastating.
They can't wrap around theirhead around it, even more than a
human in their life that haspassed.
And then they get reallyconfused and shame comes upon
them or, you know, the enemywants that to happen, right, um?
And and I just gently remindthem that this relationship is
(12:10):
different and our society likesto rank deaths right, your
grandmother's death is much moreimportant than your kitty cat's
death.
You know people will say thosethings and that's simply not
true because they don't know thespecific relationships and
oftentimes we spend a lot oftime with our animals.
(12:31):
They're in our house, theysleep in our beds, they're with
us 24-7.
And they're everything that Ibelieve God is unconditional
love, forgiveness, loyalty,nonjudgmental all those things.
So that relationship's reallydeep.
(12:52):
So the grief part is justreally devastating.
It's crying headaches, brainfog, you know, can't sleep,
can't eat, or eating overeating,can't eat or eating overeating.
I mean just all these differentthings happen at once,
especially the emotional, tryingto understand what just
(13:13):
happened, um, and and justreally being in this place of
sometimes I don't want to liveanymore, I want to go to heaven
with them.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is is what people will say that's, that's powerful
, that's, I mean, diamonds.
Yeah, so the point of diamonds,what am I saying?
Um, I think of what I'm sayingis is that you know your
feelings and attachments to youranimals is valid and, just like
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a human being, you have togrieve that.
You can expect it.
You can expect that Like, forexample, a puppy.
We had a baby I mean not a baby, a puppy from his birth and my
son.
He moved out of of the houseand we still had the puppy.
(14:09):
So about?
seven years we had this puppy umI mean we.
This is growing up.
God, he even had a littlegoatee, little turn white.
Oh, I love it well, needless tosay, um, we ended up, um, his
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he.
We ended up giving him to myson to take care of where he was
and it was just, it was kind ofdramatic.
It was just like oh, wow, youknow, and and then we also had
his brother as well and, uh,where my brother and his wife
and they were moving, theycouldn't have him.
So they actually gave him toanother family and I was just
(14:50):
really sad that I said to myself, am I crying over a dog?
But I, I absolutely get it andyou know, it's like it's just
one of those things where youknow just as much as as as a
(15:10):
person in a relationship,animals work the same way.
So let me ask you this yeah,where are you located?
Are you located in a placewhere people can get to you?
Are there a lot of you around,people who do what you do?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
There.
There aren't too many, it'sactually the field is, um,
becoming more noticeable?
Um, definitely, which is a goodthing.
(15:49):
Um, I'm actually located inCharlotte area.
My husband and I moved hereabout a year ago from Florida
and a lot of all my clients areonline.
We have phone calls or zoom,whatever they feel most
comfortable with, and otherpeople that are in the field.
I mean, there's no competition.
We're all here to serve, sothey're all over the country too
(16:10):
, which is really great.
You know there's online supportgroups, things like that.
So I do hear often that clientswish that there was like a
local support group that theycould actually go to, because I
think with COVID, you know, wejust kind of got over the
isolation piece.
We really want community, youknow, connection.
(16:32):
So there's definitely tons ofonline support groups and there
are some in different cities.
You can just Google and find inyour city if there's a pet law
support group.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So you don't have one where people can actually come
and y'all gather together.
No, maybe there's something inthe near future.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, I know Amen, I receive it.
I've been thinking about that.
I've been thinking about thatsome type of retreat, you know,
for people that really you knowwant to celebrate their
relationship with God and do thedeep work right and celebrate
their sweet one in heaven too.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, Because, like you said, you want to go from
good to the best.
You know what I mean and youknow.
And when you do that, you can't.
You know when you understand,you know that what you're going
through is okay, you can becomean encouragement and
enlightenment to somebody else.
That's going through that.
Don't know nothing about, uh,about people who who do it for
(17:44):
you know, do it as a professionor whatever.
Have you?
You know?
Yeah, so amen.
Yes, you say you have a website.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I do.
Yeah, it's Rachel dashShirleycom.
Yeah, that's how people find me.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and you have a book as well.
How do they get your book?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
yes, yes, it's pet loss and divine healing, thank
you, yes, and it's acompassionate guide for
navigating your devastating lossand it's faith-based.
So there's some people thataren't gonna like it, which we
know.
That's.
God's got it, it's okay, youknow.
(18:27):
So I speak about God and I havescripture in there and that's
who I am and and so, yeah, I Isupport people through the book
and then when people call me oremail me, yeah, oh, I just, I
love all every.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The topic at hand is absolutely important, but I, I
just love how you're making surepeople understand that I love
Jesus and he is the reason why,and you know, we both.
I'm sure I can speak for you,msirley that we want to
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encourage you as a diamond tothat.
It's okay, you know that isabsolutely okay for you to do
what you do for the glory of godand serve those that aren't
saved.
Hear what I said yeah, somepeople they, they are saved and
they don't want to serve thosethat are unsaved right, you know
(19:29):
you're hitting on one of mythings, right now really talk
about yeah, I've got god bumps.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm gonna cry right now.
I mean because yeah, add to it.
Come on, add to it.
I really I I feel that God isshifting some of my work into
speaking to other believers andhelping come alongside them.
In the Hertz ministry, I thinkthat there are a lot of, you
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know, fellow believers that aresearching for their purpose and
you know, is it secular, is itnot All these things?
And I really just want to comealongside them and say no, no,
there.
Is it secular, is it not allthese things?
And I really just want to comealongside them and say no, no,
no, no.
Listen, it's everybody andGod's got it.
And just roll up your sleevesand get in there.
They're believers.
(20:19):
They're not believers.
We are going to be persecuted.
I'm experiencing that and that'spart of of this.
I cry on my husband's shoulder,or, like we say, you can have a
pity party for like 10 minutes.
I tell him that.
He tells me that, right, likeall right, just pick up.
God's got this.
You know our flesh can get hurtsometimes, but it's really
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that's where the fruit of thespirit is is really, really just
diving in and coming alongsidepeople, because how else are
they going to see Jesus Exactly?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Exactly At the end of the day, at the end of the day.
Actually my daughter.
She has her lifestyle, that'sall I'll say.
She has her lifestyle and shejust told me.
She said you know, I went to achurch and before I could get
through the door the woman toldme I can't come here because of
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her lifestyle.
I said I'm sorry for that,because the reality is that, as
people of God, we're supposed tobe helping those that don't
know the way.
How can you really be the lightif you don't make the people
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comfortable in the light?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's right.
And the church is a hospital.
Hello, it's not there as acountry club where you know you
have to be a certain way, and no, it's a hospital.
That's that's.
You know what.
We're here to let our hair downand have a safe place to not be
judged.
I'm so sorry she.
She went through that it's andthat's a common story, right?
(22:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
unfortunately.
Well, the church, I mean, andit's, it's, and this is why, and
this is why we have god'sdiamonds in the rough, but the
rough symbolizes the hard placesand the fact that god has a yet
for everybody yeah, the yeahyou know, because you might not
(22:23):
be where I am, but you'redefinitely on the way.
Even though you got troubles andyou got things going on in your
life and you've chosen thewrong path and all of that, he
still loves you, because Ihaven't always been who I am.
I think this is the piece thatpeople forget, is that?
(22:43):
You haven haven't always beenwho you are, and every last one
of us has a story every last oneof us has lost somebody.
Every last one of us has haslost something that we held
value to and, at the same time,can't allow the things that
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we've lost to become or be apart of our identity amen, yeah
amen, absolutely, absolutely.
That's a huge message rightthere, absolutely I feel like,
yeah, sometimes this is how wefall into those traps like
(23:27):
alcoholism and drugs and thingslike that.
So, as you already mentioned,this is how we fall into it,
because we allow that thing tobecome a part of who we are.
And you know I mean, when youbuild a relationship, of course
you know it's going to become apart of you, but it can't allow
it to consume you.
That's right, and that griefcan do that right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, it can consume you and it can get comfy.
You know it can get comfy.
I can isolate here, I can sharemy story and get some sympathy.
You know it can get that wayfor sure.
And so it's really about makinghealthy decisions and allowing
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you know the healthy way toallow the grief, to recognize it
, to talk about it, toacknowledge it, to release it
and then to pay it forward, justlike you said.
You know it's about paying itforward.
Okay, god's going to bringsomebody in my life that has
lost a pet or a job or something, and I've walked through that
(24:37):
and I'm going to, you know,reach out and say here, how can
I help you?
You know I'm here to supportyou in any way possible, and
that's I help you.
You know I'm here to supportyou in any way possible, and
that's that's what we're here todo, is to pay it forward.
So, yes, you're right, it can.
Grief can become our identity,or really, if we go beyond it
and it's it's it can beuncomfortable to go on beyond it
(25:02):
, right, but there's so muchmore on the other side of it.
It's the the better, becausethat's really where we deepen
our relationship with God, and Ibelieve he just blesses the
socks off of us.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
it says you know what , yes, you can do this, and good
work.
And now let's, let's give you areprieve, you know, and that's
important, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And, and you know, to , kind of as we get ready to
wrap up here, I kind of you knowas I thinking about that
consumption thing.
You know, would you agree withthis thought?
I think that sometimes peoplethat are consumed by the loss or
consumed by the hurt, orwhatever have you, they become,
(25:55):
they become I'm trying to, I'mchoosing my words real carefully
, you can become.
You can, it can, almost, it'salmost.
Like people can want your pityso much and want you to feel so
sorry for them that you gettired of hearing the same story.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know how do we get past that?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean you have a thought for?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
that.
How do we get past being tiredof hearing the same story I?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
have an answer, let's see if you agree with the
answer um, let me just clarifyum past the story from ourselves
telling us the same story orothers that have gone through it
, that we're close with hearingthe same stories I think what I
mean is you know how people itseemed like it's always
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something wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's always something wrong, Always always, always.
And it's almost like we come toexpect something's wrong and
it's hard for us to see it anyother way.
And when we see them coming,it's oh gosh, I'm going the
other way.
They're about to ruin my day,you know, with their sob story
type of thing.
And my question is I mean, howdo you still serve in that?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
capacity.
Great, yes, thank you.
Thank you for clarifying it.
Yes, I actually kind of getreal honest.
I'm always honest, but I getreal honest yeah.
And I write this in my book too.
I learned long ago in recoveryso I've been sober, by the grace
(27:47):
of God for I don't know, Ithink over 13 years now from
alcohol.
I had an alcohol dependency, areal struggle with it.
But anyways, in recovery and Iused to lead and celebrate
recovery and things, and I, youknow, I, I learned and I have
this saying is this thoughthelpful or is it harmful?
And so I get real honest withpeople, you know, and say, okay,
(28:11):
I, I know that, you know we arenot diminishing or devaluing
what you're going through.
But you're also saying that youaren't happy and you know you,
you feel stuck.
So let's talk about our areyour thoughts helpful or are
they harmful?
And just really inviting themto the conversation to get
(28:35):
honest with themselves.
Because how is it serving?
Is it serving you?
We do things, our thoughts,words and actions are all based
on, you know, if there's sometype of value and it's serving
in some capacity, whether it'shealthy or not right, it's doing
some type of service.
Otherwise we wouldn't do it.
(28:55):
So really just getting down tothe root of it, and sometimes
it's just having that questionapproached and saying, oh wow,
maybe this is.
It's really if I'm honest, it'sit's.
It's harmful that I keepthinking this way.
Okay, so let's work on somethings to to help you move
through this, not diminishing it, let's just move through it.
(29:18):
It not diminishing it, let'sjust move through it.
It had its place and now it'sdone.
You know, it's like God sayingpick up your mat.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, right, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, sometimes it's that tough love.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Right, you know, and that just absolutely hits the
nail on the head, because I saidI was thinking to myself
sometimes, you know,unfortunately I mean it's not
really unfortunate thing, but wehave to sometimes when it's
like, it's like almost likesomebody back in the wall with
the same old thing.
And the way to come out to backthem up off of you so you can
(30:00):
still serve them, is to tellthem the truth in love.
Yeah, tell them the truth inlove and you know, the
unfortunate part about that is,even when you're doing your best
to tell them the truth in love,they can still be hurt, they
can still be offended.
Be hurt, they can still beoffended.
(30:22):
But yeah, yeah, but the realityis is that when you do it
because god told you to, whenyou do it, eventually boys will.
They're gonna find out thatwhat they said to me, it wasn't
because they was judging me, itwasn't because they condemned me
, but it was because they trulydid love me.
That's right, amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
All right, I love how you say that.
Absolutely To God be the glory.
You all are doing amazing workin this capacity with your
audience.
You're doing amazing work,lifting them up and speaking
truth.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
To God be the glory.
It's giving a place for them tosay I belong in this world, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I love it.
I'm on somebody.
Yeah, hallelujah, yes.
So one more time, can you shareyour website and give a final
thought to our listeners, please?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Okay, yes, ma'am, yes , ma'am.
So my website is RachelR-A-C-H-E-L-S-H-I-R-L-E-Ycom,
and you can find me there, oryou can get my book on Amazon
it's Pet Loss and Divine Healing.
On Amazon You'll be able.
And I would say a final word ofencouragement is stick with God
(31:43):
.
I mean no matter what, stickwith God.
Our world is full of compromiseand all of these messages that
look enticing but truthfully weknow that they are not, and god
is a good, good father, so sogood, and he loves us all and
(32:09):
the fruit is there.
Just stick with him and stickwith people that are, um,
fellows, you know, serveeverywhere, but surround
yourself with people who canreally share the love of God and
remind you that you arevaluable and loved and adored by
(32:30):
this world and also by yourheavenly father.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Hallelujah, amen.
Would you pray us out of ourconversation as well?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yes, yes, thank you, Heavenly Father, thank you so
much for this opportunity tocome alongside one another right
now, with all of the listenersand Catherine and I know
Michael's not here, but he is inspirit Amen, amen.
And I know Michael's not here,but he is in spirit, amen.
We just ask that you open ourhearts and you open our minds to
(33:04):
everything that you have for us, lord.
We ask for a hedge ofprotection, as well as type of
(33:34):
grief or resentment or anyoffense.
Lord, please help dig that outof their heart and let them know
that they are loved and adoredand have priceless work to do
here on earth and they are fullof purpose, lord, and help them
see that they are uniquelydesigned to be a diamond in the
rough.
That's what you called us to be, lord.
So I just ask for a hedge ofprotection and all of your
wisdom to be poured upon us sowe can be salt and light and
hands and feet in this beautifulworld.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
In Jesus' name amen, amen Amen, thank you so much,
miss rachel, for being here withme.
I just so so appreciate youhallelujah.
So, um, all right, y'all, y'allknow it, until the next time we
meet, you are a diamond in therough.
(34:16):
Amen, blessings and love fromand love from us to you and
y'all.
Have a great and marvelous dayor night for some.
Amen.
We'll see you next week, andmuch love Amen.
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