October 19, 2024 • 29 mins
Imagine uncovering the essence of your true identity beyond professional titles and societal roles. Join us as we host the insightful Doris Jackson Shazier, a woman whose faith and experience as a new author provide a profound look into living authentically. Doris's journey as a mother of four and her 20-year marriage offer a rich tapestry of life lessons, all infused with her remarkable intellectual curiosity. She passionately discusses the transformative power of mentorship, not as a means of creating replicas of oneself, but as an avenue to help others realize their full potential and see themselves through the eyes of faith.
We delve into the journey of recognizing one’s calling and the unique gifts that life bestows upon us. Doris shares a personal story of how her talent for building accountability and morale extended beyond corporate confines, sparking a realization about the universality of her gifts. Through the metaphor of a diamond’s clarity, we explore the beauty of embracing our unique identities. Doris candidly discusses the trials and triumphs of being a natural problem solver and the necessary shift to view this trait as an opportunity. Her narrative illuminates the powerful influence that life’s lessons impart, shaping us into leaders who inspire.
In a heartfelt exploration of motherhood, Doris opens up about the pivotal moment when a stranger inspired her to choose a path of hope, leading her to name her child Justice. This decision marked a commitment to raising children with love and understanding, a testament to resilience and growth. Doris reflects on the joy of watching Justice graduate from college and the unique challenges of raising each of her children, acknowledging the role of supportive communities and mentorship. As we wrap up, we share a prayer for guidance and strength, expressing gratitude for the shared stories that illuminate our paths.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
and hello, hello.
Welcome back God's diamonds inthe room.
We are so glad to be before youone more time.
Amen, I hope all is well.
Hope you're having a great day.
Amen.
Unfortunately my honey is nothere, michael's not here, but we
do have a guest, amen, andshe's gonna make herself known
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as soon as we pray.
But again, I hope all is welland I hope that you're ready to
get what God has to give eachand every one of us Every
diamond, amen.
So let's go ahead and praybefore we bring her in.
Amen, amen.
Father, we thank you so muchfor your grace and your mercy.
Thank you, god, for allowing usto stay in this opportunity,
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father, to be able to be ablessing to one another.
I pray that every diamond ishere to seek your face and seek
what it is that you have to say.
I pray that we can all see thediamond that you have put in all
of us as you continue toclarify us and bring value to
our life, life and our nature.
I pray, god, that you wouldjust have your way here.
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We pray this prayer and we askit all in your precious name.
We do pray amen, amen and amen,hallelujah.
So we're gonna bring her in andas she comes into the room, she
is going to let us know who sheis.
Her name is Doris JacksonShazzer.
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I hope I'm saying it right.
Amen, she is, yeah, amen.
She is, yes, a powerful womanof God, and I will allow her to
introduce herself.
But before she does that, today, our topic, we think our topic
is y'all know how we do here.
We follow the spirit.
It's supposed to be aboutmentorship between her and I.
(01:53):
Amen, but we'll see what thespirit does.
So, ms Doris, would you pleaseintroduce yourself to our
audience.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure.
Well, thank you for theopportunity to be here and share
with your audience.
So I like to introduce myselfin two ways.
I like to tell people who I amand then what I do, because I do
believe that sometimes peopleum, I don't know they get kind
of caught up in what they do andthey think that's who they are.
Yeah, it's like.
No, you're more than your joband your title.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So who I am is Doris Danielle.
I'm a mother to four Justice,dion, dorian and Davion.
I have an interestingexperience of.
I have a 19-year-old that justgraduated college, but I also
have a 17-year-old going intosenior year, an 11-year-old
going into senior year, an11-year-old going into sixth
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grade and a five-year-old goinginto kindergarten.
So it's just as crazy as itsounds.
I've been married to my husband, dion.
We've been together for thelast 20 years as my college
sweetheart and I like todescribe myself as a person with
a high level of intellectualcuriosity.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's my fancy word for I'm nosy.
I ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I love it.
I love it and I'm just anatural encourager and overcomer
, and my favorite thing to do isoutside of work travel but as a
part of my profession is todevelop others Right.
So I work as a leadership coachand a leadership facilitator,
and I'm a brand new author, soI'm very proud of adding that
title.
It's something that I wanted todo for a very long time.
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I started writing books when Iwas 15 years old.
I started this particular bookthat I just published about 15
years ago, and so I am soexcited to say that I'm an
author now.
Awesome, but that's a littlebit about who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love it.
I love it.
So, excuse me, y'all, as youhave given this.
I love how you describeyourself and I love that.
What did you say?
What did you call it?
Again for being nosy?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have a high level of intellectual curiosity.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I love it.
I love it.
That is awesome.
Because I say that?
Because it's so easy for us totake a negative continent and
take a worldly view to what itreally is a blessing from god,
amen.
And so you know, it's beautifulhow you see the value, even in
in being nosy.
You heard me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Um, yeah, that's a beautiful thing called super
nosy or it's like aninterrogation and all those
things and I'm like, no, I'mjust curious that would make me
curious.
Um, I, um, I tend to be theperson that people come to for
advice, and sometimes it used tomake me feel like why are
people dumping on me?
And then I realize I'm aproblem solver, um, and so
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that's the way God made me.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So it's all in how we think about ourselves that's,
that's powerful, that's apowerful word you just said,
because it's all about how wethink about ourselves and really
taking back and I think that'sthe essence of taking back what
the devil has stolen from us,because you know, because he
takes makes us feel like youknow well, I shouldn't be nosy
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and I shouldn't be this and Ishouldn't be that, when it's a
part of our identity.
Um and so, um, how does all ofthese thoughts connect with
mentorship for you?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
wow.
So how do they connect thementorship?
I mean I think it plays a part.
Good mentors don't create, youknow.
I mean you duplicate in a way,you multiply yourself in some
way, but what you really do ishelp people reach their full
potential.
So as I mentor and I coach andlead others, my goal isn't to
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create many dorises, like I'mnot trying to create necessarily
more me in the world, but I'mreally trying to help people
identify who they are, um, helpthem to know who God says who
they are.
You know who they are and thenhelp them to live in that
absolutely.
And so with mentorship itconnects to what helping people
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to believe the best aboutthemselves, yeah, and you kind
of do life with them.
So I enjoy mentorship.
I work as a coach but alsovolunteer as a mentor.
Even with my board kids, Istill volunteer and mentor other
teenagers, um, to kind of helpthem along the way.
I had a pretty good mentorsalong the way and I like to pay
it forward.
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So, um, I would say that's howit connects mentors help you,
good mentors help you to see thebest in you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So would you say that's just, that's your call, I
mean, along with the otherthing, would you say that's what
you're called to do?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, my, my calling is definitely to develop leaders
.
Right, amen, definitely.
It took me a while to figureout how I was supposed to
execute the call and I think Iunderstood it for a very long
time.
But I thought that it was in acorporate space.
I thought that I would work fora big company and I would help
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them to retain employees andmake sales goals and those type
of things, because I had a wayabout me that I how I could
leverage people to kind of getthe job done, and so I write
about and I teach a lot abouthow to create high
accountability and high morale.
How do you hold peopleaccountable but also have a
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great relationship with them?
And so my natural ability to dothat helped me to be successful
in corporate Americaica.
As I matured, I realized thatmy talent wasn't exclusive to a
company, but it was more soacross industries.
Like my calling is to buildleaders wherever I go or
whatever industry is is in.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I don't have to be necessarily tied to one place to
do it I like that responsebecause I I've I've kind of god
made me he.
Let me see, get my wordscorrectly.
The way he said it to me was Ianswered the call, but I hadn't
answered, I hadn't accepted thegift, and that's what it sounds
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like.
You answered the call andaccepted the gift and I think
that that's a barrier that a lotof people are facing and you
might be facing as a Diamond, asa listener.
That might be the barrier towhy you kind of feel like you
are not going moving in whatyou've been called to do.
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Maybe you haven't accepted thegift, and I believe that, ms
Doris and even myself, is proofthat when you accept the gift of
the call, then you can beeffective.
Any thoughts to add to that?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I love the way you articulated it.
I think it's important.
It's one thing to have thatinkling or think that's what
you're supposed to do, butyou're right Once you accept
that gift and you understand itto do.
But you're right, once youaccept that gift and you
understand that there's so muchmore power and clarity that
comes with it amen, hallelujah,and that's a key word clarity.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And that that's what makes um the diamond, the
flawless diamond, so valuable isits clarity, the fact that you
can see, you can see cuts insideof that diamond that with the
natural eye you cannot see.
And this is where that identitycomes in.
(09:33):
In fact, they give it thatidentity of the flawlessness of
it and the uniqueness of thediamond that makes it so much
more valuable.
That makes it so much morevaluable.
You got to find that thingwithin that somebody else needs.
Like you said, you're a problemsolver and it's up to you to
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find that niche.
They call it that thing thatpeople need.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I mean, would you agree?
You have some.
I completely agree.
And again, it's all about howwe look at it.
I just there were times in mylife where I'm like, why are
people bringing me theirproblems?
Like it just seems like peoplewere bringing me their problems
and sometimes the answer was sonatural for me and you know,
like to me it was obvious, Likeyou don't see, that that is
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happening.
But then I had to recognizethat it was a part of God's gift
for me, that he made me anatural problem solver, and so I
look at it as an opportunity towork in my calling versus being
in burden with other people'sthings, and you have to find
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balance.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But how we look at things is so, so important so
when would you say this journeybegan for you, being able to
acknowledge that this was whatGod has called you to be?
When would you say that started?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, it happened over time and you know God is so
strategic and he doesn't writelike a plain story, you know,
yeah, absolutely it's a movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a movie.
It's so many different elementsto it.
But what I will tell you ishe's always placed me in
leadership roles.
I am I have seven brothers andfive sisters Woo, big family.
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Yeah, I'm the second oldest.
I'm the oldest girl.
I had a brother that passedaway, yeah, when I was 19 years
old, my older brother, and thenit made me the oldest.
So for the last 20 odd yearsI've been the oldest child but
I've consistently been in aposition where I understood,
where I had responsibility, butI understood that people were
looking up to me, right, andthen I land my first leadership
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role at about 20 years old, andso I have been a manager or
someone's boss for the past 20years and I've been in those
situations where I've had tomanage people my grandparents
age and I just had to alwayslead others.
So God was strategic and he'salways placed me in this
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position where I would be heldaccountable, where I had people
looking up to me and I had thatlevel of responsibility.
And then, as he was raising me.
I guess I started to reallyunderstand the power of my
influence and what thatresponsibility really meant.
So I had those years that Icould, if I could, go back like
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why did I say that, why did I dothat?
You know, I was in my infancy,I was immature, I didn't realize
my impact, I didn't realize thepower of my words.
I didn't realize just because ofmy title it carried so much
more weight when I said it likeI could have said that at any
other time but because of who Iwas in that position that it
wasn't the right thing to sayyeah, um, I worked in corporate
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America, so I've learnedfirsthand how to demoralize
other people.
Um, I took part in that.
Um, I thought I needed to dothose things to get ahead, um,
and so I, I understand thosethings and over time, you know
God, you know he, he presentsthe right situations to humble
you, he, uh, you know, holds amirror to you in some ways, even
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like with having childrenholding a mirror to me and
allowing me to see some thingsin myself that I didn't see.
Um, but, yeah, so it was thisevolution, it was over time, I
would say.
I had a COVID experience that Iwas hospitalized for seven days
on oxygen treatment for almostthree months, and I think that
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that helped.
You know, that was one of thoseprofound moments like, okay, if
you were to go today, whathappens to your children?
Have you done what you weresupposed to do?
Are you living in your calling?
Are you working in your purpose?
And, yes, somewhat, but notquite.
So it really helped me to startthinking differently about what
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my legacy is and what I want todo going forward.
And I was close to it but notquite there, going forward, and
I was close to it but not quitethere, and so several events led
up to me making that leap intoentrepreneurship and I think now
I'm in the space in which Ibelong.
But it took a lot of differentthings to kind of get me there
girl, that's, that's a word.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean.
I have so many people,especially women, come on and
they kind of express, theyexpress what we oftentimes don't
know how to put in words.
And I just say that because Ican hear your heart and I see
your heart and I hope, as alistener and as a diamond, you
can hear it, see it, receive itas well, because you know it is
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such a profound thing in thatand so easily for us to miss
when we are seem like we'rerunning, we're running a
marathon that the world has putbefore us, and the reality is is
that when we are on a journey Ithink that's the difference,
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it's kind of the same, but thenit's different, because
eventually a marathon will endwhere the journey continues to
go for life.
And so when you get on thislife's journey, the one that God
has put you on, it's just that,and you're allowed to make
mistakes, you're allowed to makeu-turns, you're allowed to
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start again, and so don't everget to a place where you stop
growing.
That's that's that's our word.
I know that's her word.
My word for you that's listen,don't ever stop growing, and I
believe that that's a part ofmentorship.
If you are a mentor, orthinking that's where God is
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taking you, you always want togive people room to grow,
because it's a journey.
It's absolutely a journey.
Would you like to add to thatbefore we talk about your book?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh man, what is there to add?
I mean, I love how you saidthat about growth Amen.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Amen, hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay, so now talk to us about your book about Raising
Justice.
Where did that name come from?
All right, so justice is mydaughter's name, so it's quite
literal.
Okay, I figured that, but yeah.
Yeah, it has a dual meaningthough.
So the literal meaning israising justice.
So the book is, you know, myjourney from a 19-year-old
first-generation college studentwho finds myself pregnant from
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someone I knew I wasn't going tohave a relationship with, and
me making the big girl decisionto continue on with this
pregnancy.
I mean, I like to tell people,spoiler alert this book begins
outside of what I thought was anabortion clinic, because I did
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not believe I could go throughwith this pregnancy, and so it's
the story that almost didn'thappen.
But God's intervention, you know.
But God, it's definitely a butGod moment intervention, you
know.
But God, it's definitely a butGod moment.
A lady approaches me on thestreet and tells me that if I
named the baby, if I named thatbaby, I wouldn't be able to do
what I was thinking about doing.
And I'm like you know, becauseyou go dressed in black and
everything and hoping thatyou're not seen when you're
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making that type of decision andshe stopped me and said that to
me.
She says you name the babyright now.
And I'm like justice was thefirst word that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
and then she's like what if it's a girl and I'm?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
like justice.
And she's like, okay, well, youwouldn't do what you're
thinking about doing it justice,would you?
And I just looked at her and Isaid no, as I proceeded to walk
right into the building.
So, so that had to intervene acouple times on me but you know,
it's such a a transformativestory and you find me as this 19
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year old, confused, shamed, umagain, first generation college
student, first person to go tomy family college on a full
scholarship, find myself in thispredicament, and then you see
this pursuit to raise my childin a way that I wasn't raised to
want and do things differently,for her to parent in a way that
I wasn't necessarily parented.
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And again, spoiler alert,because I think it's important
for people to hear how the bookbegins and also how it ends.
Um, because the meat of it isin the is in the middle, that's
right.
Um, I get to see a full circlemoment that 19 year old raises
um, a 19 year old collegegraduate.
So at the same age that I waspregnant with her, I had the
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opportunity to absorb, observemy daughter walking across the
collegiate stage, um mere milesaway, you know, than where I was
when I carried her pregnant.
So, um, it's an interestingtestimony of just God's grace
and in resiliency and love.
And um, I talk a lot about how,in raising justice, god was
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raising me, and so you get tohear a lot of the lessons I
learned in motherhood, aboutlife through motherhood, and so
I think it's a good book.
It's definitely a good read.
Most people can read it in onesitting.
I'm working on an audio bookright now.
It's like two hours and so itis bound to get you inspired.
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It's good to help withespecially mother daughter
relationships.
I talk about those moments inwhich I am in which I fought to
do things differently because Iwanted to have a different
relationship with her than I hadwith my mother and my
grandmother.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And so it's just full of God's grace and goodness.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hallelujah, it really is.
So what was your response ofyour daughter?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh man, she's so excited about the book.
I actually have a recording.
We did the book launch and shewas asked that question and her
response to me was she thoughtit was pretty cool to have a
book written about her.
And then she also read the bookand approved.
So it is justice to prove.
But she was fascinated to hearsome of the stories about her
that she just didn't quiteremember about herself.
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She just didn't quite rememberabout herself.
Um and um, she's excited to bea collaborator.
But when um at the book launch,when she talked about you know
what are her thoughts on thebook.
We think it's a good thing whenwe're able to say we're proud
of our children, but it is aprofound thing when your child
says they're proud of you.
Yeah, hallelujah, yes.
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That's very profound for her tosay I am proud of my mom, I'm
happy that she wrote this, I'mexcited that this is something
yeah, hallelujah that certainthings are taught but also
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certain things are caught.
And so she caught the goodthings too.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Right, I'm under the assumption.
Did you ever have to have like?
Did you in the process ofwriting or even after you
finished, did you have to have aconversation with the other
kids so that they didn't feellike they were insignificant
where she was?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, so yeah, there was.
There was some mention of theother kids there, because it's
hard to not mention them Okay,and they know that there's a
possibility of three moreeditions coming out.
Right.
What's the interesting partabout my parenting journey with
my kids so spread out?
I'm a little bit of a differentmom with each one of them,
right?
So there definitely can be araising Dion, a raising Dorian
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and a raising Davion, because Ievolved as a mom in different
experiences.
You know, one of my kids is inthe gifted program.
One of my children, you know,has a 504.
The other one has ADHD.
You know these different thingsand there are different
dynamics that I've had to faceand I've had to be flexible and
adaptable in raising them.
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So they understand why it'sraising justice, because they
understand it's how I became amom and this story focused on
the journey of me being a mom.
And they know that there's astrong possibility of them all
having their own little addition, because I definitely can
distinctly carve out how eachone of them required a different
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type of mother, right?
You know it required me tomother in a different way,
that's right that's.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I ask you that, just because it's so easy to um,
especially when you're, whenyou're when you have multiple
children, so so easy for thebrothers and the sisters can be
jealous of one another, onefeels like one is favored above
the other, much like the storyof Joseph and all of his
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brothers because his father gavehim that coat.
They looked at it, they hatedhis brother and at the end of
that story, they looked at, theyhated his brother, you know,
and at the end of that story youknow they was just like they
was embarrassed and ashamed attheir behavior and whatnot.
And Joseph was just like youknow what you meant for evil.
God turned it to good and soyou know, everything worked out
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for our good.
And you know, I just heard inthe spirit for you that you know
you really, that was God sayingthis is what you're going to do
.
Those books are coming, thosethree Of the three, because
that's a part of the story Allfour children and most likely
your marriage, because you knowmarriage yeah, I started
drafting that story.
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Yeah yeah, and it's so it is a.
It is a, a, a powerful thingwhen we use our own lives to
tell the story that jesusteaches through his word.
All the time, we don't worryabout the fear.
We don't worry about fear orshame or anything like that,
because there's always somebodythat needs your story.
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So I just love what God isdoing through you.
I bless the work that God isdoing through you.
I'm so glad that God allowedGod's diamonds in the rough to
be a part of your story, amen.
So, as we are coming down tothe last few minutes, you have a
word for the people.
Uh, where can you get the book?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
all right, so the book is available on amazon, um,
and if you're here in thestates, you can also order an
autograph copy through mywebsite.
It's georgejacksonshaziercom,okay, um, so it's just my name,
um, and you can find out moreabout my motherhood journey, and
I also do a blog there where Ipost every week different, just
on different topics related toleadership and parenting, and so
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definitely check me out onAmazon or my website,
dorajacksonshaziercom.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And I guess I get to leave with a word.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, please do, please do yes.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean, I guess, first of all, I am just grateful
for the opportunity to sharewith you guys and I love that
you take the you know the topicof just like just mentorship.
I think it's so important it'soverlooked, but mentors, I mean
they really do life with us andso it's so important it's
overlooked.
But mentors, I mean they reallydo life with us, and so it's so
important to find a good mentor.
I think sometimes we are afraidto ask for help, and so what I
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would like to say for anyone outthere surround yourself with
people who believe in you, whosupport you and who lift you up.
Amen, it's so important to findyour tribe, um, the people who
support you, the people whoreinforce god's word in your
life, um, the people who um echowhat god says about you.
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Um, find those people and keepthem close that's a word for me,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You for that word, cause that was my word, because
you know, as a leader, as apastor, you know when you're
trying to do.
You are doing whatever God tellyou.
Oftentimes you feel like thisis like Paul, a loner, feel like
you're by yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And so you know I appreciate that word, I know
that that was my word again,cause God oftentimes gives me
that word.
Make sure you know I havepeople that's going to be around
you, that's going to encourageyou, and it really becomes a
diagnosis, you know, because itmakes you check the people
around you, yeah.
So y'all, y'all, please, please, take heed to the words that
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have been given, because we areabsolutely vessels and
instruments for Jesus Christ tospeak through Amen.
So, ms Doris, would you pleaselead us in prayer as we close
out our time together.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh yes, ma'am, Thank you for our heads.
Heavenly Father, we come beforeyou and I just want to say
thank you, lord God.
Thank you for partnering withme, lord God, for helping to
lead me today, lord God, forhelping me, lord God, and
strengthening me to have thecourage to tell my story, lord
God, but more importantly, blessthe listeners, lord God.
Lord, bless God's diamonds.
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Our podcast, lord God, msCharlene has a message to people
and she is focused, lord God,on spreading your word, lord God
, of being a disciple of you,lord God, and I just want to
thank you for her, lord God,lord, I want to thank you for
the people that are listeningand may their hearts be touched.
Lord God, I ask that youinvolve everyone today with your
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love and your grace.
Lord God, just give us all justa little bit more patience,
lord God, because we all coulduse just a little bit more each
day, and I thank you on thisMonday, lord God, and I praise
you in Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Amen, amen, amen.
Thank you again, ms Doris.
I certainly appreciate youbeing here, love your story and
again, I just bless all that Godis doing in your life, amen.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Amen.
Thank you Amen.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
All right, y'all Y'all know what time it is.
Until the next time, rememberyou are a diamond in the rough
and we will see you on next week.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Amen and amen.
and hello, hello.
Welcome back God's diamonds inthe room.
We are so glad to be before youone more time.
Amen, I hope all is well.
Hope you're having a great day.
Amen.
Unfortunately my honey is nothere, michael's not here, but we
do have a guest, amen, andshe's gonna make herself known
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as soon as we pray.
But again, I hope all is welland I hope that you're ready to
get what God has to give eachand every one of us Every
diamond, amen.
So let's go ahead and praybefore we bring her in.
Amen, amen.
Father, we thank you so muchfor your grace and your mercy.
Thank you, god, for allowing usto stay in this opportunity,
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father, to be able to be ablessing to one another.
I pray that every diamond ishere to seek your face and seek
what it is that you have to say.
I pray that we can all see thediamond that you have put in all
of us as you continue toclarify us and bring value to
our life, life and our nature.
I pray, god, that you wouldjust have your way here.
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We pray this prayer and we askit all in your precious name.
We do pray amen, amen and amen,hallelujah.
So we're gonna bring her in andas she comes into the room, she
is going to let us know who sheis.
Her name is Doris JacksonShazzer.
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I hope I'm saying it right.
Amen, she is, yeah, amen.
She is, yes, a powerful womanof God, and I will allow her to
introduce herself.
But before she does that, today, our topic, we think our topic
is y'all know how we do here.
We follow the spirit.
It's supposed to be aboutmentorship between her and I.
(01:53):
Amen, but we'll see what thespirit does.
So, ms Doris, would you pleaseintroduce yourself to our
audience.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure.
Well, thank you for theopportunity to be here and share
with your audience.
So I like to introduce myselfin two ways.
I like to tell people who I amand then what I do, because I do
believe that sometimes peopleum, I don't know they get kind
of caught up in what they do andthey think that's who they are.
Yeah, it's like.
No, you're more than your joband your title.
(02:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So who I am is Doris Danielle.
I'm a mother to four Justice,dion, dorian and Davion.
I have an interestingexperience of.
I have a 19-year-old that justgraduated college, but I also
have a 17-year-old going intosenior year, an 11-year-old
going into senior year, an11-year-old going into sixth
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grade and a five-year-old goinginto kindergarten.
So it's just as crazy as itsounds.
I've been married to my husband, dion.
We've been together for thelast 20 years as my college
sweetheart and I like todescribe myself as a person with
a high level of intellectualcuriosity.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's my fancy word for I'm nosy.
I ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I love it.
I love it and I'm just anatural encourager and overcomer
, and my favorite thing to do isoutside of work travel but as a
part of my profession is todevelop others Right.
So I work as a leadership coachand a leadership facilitator,
and I'm a brand new author, soI'm very proud of adding that
title.
It's something that I wanted todo for a very long time.
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I started writing books when Iwas 15 years old.
I started this particular bookthat I just published about 15
years ago, and so I am soexcited to say that I'm an
author now.
Awesome, but that's a littlebit about who I am.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love it.
I love it.
So, excuse me, y'all, as youhave given this.
I love how you describeyourself and I love that.
What did you say?
What did you call it?
Again for being nosy?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have a high level of intellectual curiosity.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I love it.
I love it.
That is awesome.
Because I say that?
Because it's so easy for us totake a negative continent and
take a worldly view to what itreally is a blessing from god,
amen.
And so you know, it's beautifulhow you see the value, even in
in being nosy.
You heard me.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Um, yeah, that's a beautiful thing called super
nosy or it's like aninterrogation and all those
things and I'm like, no, I'mjust curious that would make me
curious.
Um, I, um, I tend to be theperson that people come to for
advice, and sometimes it used tomake me feel like why are
people dumping on me?
And then I realize I'm aproblem solver, um, and so
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that's the way God made me.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So it's all in how we think about ourselves that's,
that's powerful, that's apowerful word you just said,
because it's all about how wethink about ourselves and really
taking back and I think that'sthe essence of taking back what
the devil has stolen from us,because you know, because he
takes makes us feel like youknow well, I shouldn't be nosy
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and I shouldn't be this and Ishouldn't be that, when it's a
part of our identity.
Um and so, um, how does all ofthese thoughts connect with
mentorship for you?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
wow.
So how do they connect thementorship?
I mean I think it plays a part.
Good mentors don't create, youknow.
I mean you duplicate in a way,you multiply yourself in some
way, but what you really do ishelp people reach their full
potential.
So as I mentor and I coach andlead others, my goal isn't to
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create many dorises, like I'mnot trying to create necessarily
more me in the world, but I'mreally trying to help people
identify who they are, um, helpthem to know who God says who
they are.
You know who they are and thenhelp them to live in that
absolutely.
And so with mentorship itconnects to what helping people
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to believe the best aboutthemselves, yeah, and you kind
of do life with them.
So I enjoy mentorship.
I work as a coach but alsovolunteer as a mentor.
Even with my board kids, Istill volunteer and mentor other
teenagers, um, to kind of helpthem along the way.
I had a pretty good mentorsalong the way and I like to pay
it forward.
(06:37):
So, um, I would say that's howit connects mentors help you,
good mentors help you to see thebest in you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So would you say that's just, that's your call, I
mean, along with the otherthing, would you say that's what
you're called to do?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, my, my calling is definitely to develop leaders
.
Right, amen, definitely.
It took me a while to figureout how I was supposed to
execute the call and I think Iunderstood it for a very long
time.
But I thought that it was in acorporate space.
I thought that I would work fora big company and I would help
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them to retain employees andmake sales goals and those type
of things, because I had a wayabout me that I how I could
leverage people to kind of getthe job done, and so I write
about and I teach a lot abouthow to create high
accountability and high morale.
How do you hold peopleaccountable but also have a
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great relationship with them?
And so my natural ability to dothat helped me to be successful
in corporate Americaica.
As I matured, I realized thatmy talent wasn't exclusive to a
company, but it was more soacross industries.
Like my calling is to buildleaders wherever I go or
whatever industry is is in.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I don't have to be necessarily tied to one place to
do it I like that responsebecause I I've I've kind of god
made me he.
Let me see, get my wordscorrectly.
The way he said it to me was Ianswered the call, but I hadn't
answered, I hadn't accepted thegift, and that's what it sounds
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like.
You answered the call andaccepted the gift and I think
that that's a barrier that a lotof people are facing and you
might be facing as a Diamond, asa listener.
That might be the barrier towhy you kind of feel like you
are not going moving in whatyou've been called to do.
(08:39):
Maybe you haven't accepted thegift, and I believe that, ms
Doris and even myself, is proofthat when you accept the gift of
the call, then you can beeffective.
Any thoughts to add to that?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I love the way you articulated it.
I think it's important.
It's one thing to have thatinkling or think that's what
you're supposed to do, butyou're right Once you accept
that gift and you understand itto do.
But you're right, once youaccept that gift and you
understand that there's so muchmore power and clarity that
comes with it amen, hallelujah,and that's a key word clarity.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And that that's what makes um the diamond, the
flawless diamond, so valuable isits clarity, the fact that you
can see, you can see cuts insideof that diamond that with the
natural eye you cannot see.
And this is where that identitycomes in.
(09:33):
In fact, they give it thatidentity of the flawlessness of
it and the uniqueness of thediamond that makes it so much
more valuable.
That makes it so much morevaluable.
You got to find that thingwithin that somebody else needs.
Like you said, you're a problemsolver and it's up to you to
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find that niche.
They call it that thing thatpeople need.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I mean, would you agree?
You have some.
I completely agree.
And again, it's all about howwe look at it.
I just there were times in mylife where I'm like, why are
people bringing me theirproblems?
Like it just seems like peoplewere bringing me their problems
and sometimes the answer was sonatural for me and you know,
like to me it was obvious, Likeyou don't see, that that is
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happening.
But then I had to recognizethat it was a part of God's gift
for me, that he made me anatural problem solver, and so I
look at it as an opportunity towork in my calling versus being
in burden with other people'sthings, and you have to find
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balance.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But how we look at things is so, so important so
when would you say this journeybegan for you, being able to
acknowledge that this was whatGod has called you to be?
When would you say that started?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, it happened over time and you know God is so
strategic and he doesn't writelike a plain story, you know,
yeah, absolutely it's a movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a movie.
It's so many different elementsto it.
But what I will tell you ishe's always placed me in
leadership roles.
I am I have seven brothers andfive sisters Woo, big family.
(11:30):
Yeah, I'm the second oldest.
I'm the oldest girl.
I had a brother that passedaway, yeah, when I was 19 years
old, my older brother, and thenit made me the oldest.
So for the last 20 odd yearsI've been the oldest child but
I've consistently been in aposition where I understood,
where I had responsibility, butI understood that people were
looking up to me, right, andthen I land my first leadership
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role at about 20 years old, andso I have been a manager or
someone's boss for the past 20years and I've been in those
situations where I've had tomanage people my grandparents
age and I just had to alwayslead others.
So God was strategic and he'salways placed me in this
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position where I would be heldaccountable, where I had people
looking up to me and I had thatlevel of responsibility.
And then, as he was raising me.
I guess I started to reallyunderstand the power of my
influence and what thatresponsibility really meant.
So I had those years that Icould, if I could, go back like
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why did I say that, why did I dothat?
You know, I was in my infancy,I was immature, I didn't realize
my impact, I didn't realize thepower of my words.
I didn't realize just because ofmy title it carried so much
more weight when I said it likeI could have said that at any
other time but because of who Iwas in that position that it
wasn't the right thing to sayyeah, um, I worked in corporate
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America, so I've learnedfirsthand how to demoralize
other people.
Um, I took part in that.
Um, I thought I needed to dothose things to get ahead, um,
and so I, I understand thosethings and over time, you know
God, you know he, he presentsthe right situations to humble
you, he, uh, you know, holds amirror to you in some ways, even
(13:20):
like with having childrenholding a mirror to me and
allowing me to see some thingsin myself that I didn't see.
Um, but, yeah, so it was thisevolution, it was over time, I
would say.
I had a COVID experience that Iwas hospitalized for seven days
on oxygen treatment for almostthree months, and I think that
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that helped.
You know, that was one of thoseprofound moments like, okay, if
you were to go today, whathappens to your children?
Have you done what you weresupposed to do?
Are you living in your calling?
Are you working in your purpose?
And, yes, somewhat, but notquite.
So it really helped me to startthinking differently about what
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my legacy is and what I want todo going forward.
And I was close to it but notquite there, going forward, and
I was close to it but not quitethere, and so several events led
up to me making that leap intoentrepreneurship and I think now
I'm in the space in which Ibelong.
But it took a lot of differentthings to kind of get me there
girl, that's, that's a word.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean.
I have so many people,especially women, come on and
they kind of express, theyexpress what we oftentimes don't
know how to put in words.
And I just say that because Ican hear your heart and I see
your heart and I hope, as alistener and as a diamond, you
can hear it, see it, receive itas well, because you know it is
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such a profound thing in thatand so easily for us to miss
when we are seem like we'rerunning, we're running a
marathon that the world has putbefore us, and the reality is is
that when we are on a journey Ithink that's the difference,
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it's kind of the same, but thenit's different, because
eventually a marathon will endwhere the journey continues to
go for life.
And so when you get on thislife's journey, the one that God
has put you on, it's just that,and you're allowed to make
mistakes, you're allowed to makeu-turns, you're allowed to
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start again, and so don't everget to a place where you stop
growing.
That's that's that's our word.
I know that's her word.
My word for you that's listen,don't ever stop growing, and I
believe that that's a part ofmentorship.
If you are a mentor, orthinking that's where God is
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taking you, you always want togive people room to grow,
because it's a journey.
It's absolutely a journey.
Would you like to add to thatbefore we talk about your book?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh man, what is there to add?
I mean, I love how you saidthat about growth Amen.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Amen, hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay, so now talk to us about your book about Raising
Justice.
Where did that name come from?
All right, so justice is mydaughter's name, so it's quite
literal.
Okay, I figured that, but yeah.
Yeah, it has a dual meaningthough.
So the literal meaning israising justice.
So the book is, you know, myjourney from a 19-year-old
first-generation college studentwho finds myself pregnant from
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someone I knew I wasn't going tohave a relationship with, and
me making the big girl decisionto continue on with this
pregnancy.
I mean, I like to tell people,spoiler alert this book begins
outside of what I thought was anabortion clinic, because I did
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not believe I could go throughwith this pregnancy, and so it's
the story that almost didn'thappen.
But God's intervention, you know.
But God, it's definitely a butGod moment intervention, you
know.
But God, it's definitely a butGod moment.
A lady approaches me on thestreet and tells me that if I
named the baby, if I named thatbaby, I wouldn't be able to do
what I was thinking about doing.
And I'm like you know, becauseyou go dressed in black and
everything and hoping thatyou're not seen when you're
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making that type of decision andshe stopped me and said that to
me.
She says you name the babyright now.
And I'm like justice was thefirst word that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
and then she's like what if it's a girl and I'm?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
like justice.
And she's like, okay, well, youwouldn't do what you're
thinking about doing it justice,would you?
And I just looked at her and Isaid no, as I proceeded to walk
right into the building.
So, so that had to intervene acouple times on me but you know,
it's such a a transformativestory and you find me as this 19
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year old, confused, shamed, umagain, first generation college
student, first person to go tomy family college on a full
scholarship, find myself in thispredicament, and then you see
this pursuit to raise my childin a way that I wasn't raised to
want and do things differently,for her to parent in a way that
I wasn't necessarily parented.
(18:22):
And again, spoiler alert,because I think it's important
for people to hear how the bookbegins and also how it ends.
Um, because the meat of it isin the is in the middle, that's
right.
Um, I get to see a full circlemoment that 19 year old raises
um, a 19 year old collegegraduate.
So at the same age that I waspregnant with her, I had the
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opportunity to absorb, observemy daughter walking across the
collegiate stage, um mere milesaway, you know, than where I was
when I carried her pregnant.
So, um, it's an interestingtestimony of just God's grace
and in resiliency and love.
And um, I talk a lot about how,in raising justice, god was
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raising me, and so you get tohear a lot of the lessons I
learned in motherhood, aboutlife through motherhood, and so
I think it's a good book.
It's definitely a good read.
Most people can read it in onesitting.
I'm working on an audio bookright now.
It's like two hours and so itis bound to get you inspired.
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It's good to help withespecially mother daughter
relationships.
I talk about those moments inwhich I am in which I fought to
do things differently because Iwanted to have a different
relationship with her than I hadwith my mother and my
grandmother.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And so it's just full of God's grace and goodness.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Hallelujah, it really is.
So what was your response ofyour daughter?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh man, she's so excited about the book.
I actually have a recording.
We did the book launch and shewas asked that question and her
response to me was she thoughtit was pretty cool to have a
book written about her.
And then she also read the bookand approved.
So it is justice to prove.
But she was fascinated to hearsome of the stories about her
that she just didn't quiteremember about herself.
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She just didn't quite rememberabout herself.
Um and um, she's excited to bea collaborator.
But when um at the book launch,when she talked about you know
what are her thoughts on thebook.
We think it's a good thing whenwe're able to say we're proud
of our children, but it is aprofound thing when your child
says they're proud of you.
Yeah, hallelujah, yes.
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That's very profound for her tosay I am proud of my mom, I'm
happy that she wrote this, I'mexcited that this is something
yeah, hallelujah that certainthings are taught but also
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certain things are caught.
And so she caught the goodthings too.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Right, I'm under the assumption.
Did you ever have to have like?
Did you in the process ofwriting or even after you
finished, did you have to have aconversation with the other
kids so that they didn't feellike they were insignificant
where she was?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, so yeah, there was.
There was some mention of theother kids there, because it's
hard to not mention them Okay,and they know that there's a
possibility of three moreeditions coming out.
Right.
What's the interesting partabout my parenting journey with
my kids so spread out?
I'm a little bit of a differentmom with each one of them,
right?
So there definitely can be araising Dion, a raising Dorian
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and a raising Davion, because Ievolved as a mom in different
experiences.
You know, one of my kids is inthe gifted program.
One of my children, you know,has a 504.
The other one has ADHD.
You know these different thingsand there are different
dynamics that I've had to faceand I've had to be flexible and
adaptable in raising them.
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So they understand why it'sraising justice, because they
understand it's how I became amom and this story focused on
the journey of me being a mom.
And they know that there's astrong possibility of them all
having their own little addition, because I definitely can
distinctly carve out how eachone of them required a different
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type of mother, right?
You know it required me tomother in a different way,
that's right that's.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I ask you that, just because it's so easy to um,
especially when you're, whenyou're when you have multiple
children, so so easy for thebrothers and the sisters can be
jealous of one another, onefeels like one is favored above
the other, much like the storyof Joseph and all of his
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brothers because his father gavehim that coat.
They looked at it, they hatedhis brother and at the end of
that story, they looked at, theyhated his brother, you know,
and at the end of that story youknow they was just like they
was embarrassed and ashamed attheir behavior and whatnot.
And Joseph was just like youknow what you meant for evil.
God turned it to good and soyou know, everything worked out
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for our good.
And you know, I just heard inthe spirit for you that you know
you really, that was God sayingthis is what you're going to do
.
Those books are coming, thosethree Of the three, because
that's a part of the story Allfour children and most likely
your marriage, because you knowmarriage yeah, I started
drafting that story.
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Yeah yeah, and it's so it is a.
It is a, a, a powerful thingwhen we use our own lives to
tell the story that jesusteaches through his word.
All the time, we don't worryabout the fear.
We don't worry about fear orshame or anything like that,
because there's always somebodythat needs your story.
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So I just love what God isdoing through you.
I bless the work that God isdoing through you.
I'm so glad that God allowedGod's diamonds in the rough to
be a part of your story, amen.
So, as we are coming down tothe last few minutes, you have a
word for the people.
Uh, where can you get the book?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
all right, so the book is available on amazon, um,
and if you're here in thestates, you can also order an
autograph copy through mywebsite.
It's georgejacksonshaziercom,okay, um, so it's just my name,
um, and you can find out moreabout my motherhood journey, and
I also do a blog there where Ipost every week different, just
on different topics related toleadership and parenting, and so
(24:56):
definitely check me out onAmazon or my website,
dorajacksonshaziercom.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And I guess I get to leave with a word.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, please do, please do yes.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean, I guess, first of all, I am just grateful
for the opportunity to sharewith you guys and I love that
you take the you know the topicof just like just mentorship.
I think it's so important it'soverlooked, but mentors, I mean
they really do life with us andso it's so important it's
overlooked.
But mentors, I mean they reallydo life with us, and so it's so
important to find a good mentor.
I think sometimes we are afraidto ask for help, and so what I
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would like to say for anyone outthere surround yourself with
people who believe in you, whosupport you and who lift you up.
Amen, it's so important to findyour tribe, um, the people who
support you, the people whoreinforce god's word in your
life, um, the people who um echowhat god says about you.
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Um, find those people and keepthem close that's a word for me,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You for that word, cause that was my word, because
you know, as a leader, as apastor, you know when you're
trying to do.
You are doing whatever God tellyou.
Oftentimes you feel like thisis like Paul, a loner, feel like
you're by yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And so you know I appreciate that word, I know
that that was my word again,cause God oftentimes gives me
that word.
Make sure you know I havepeople that's going to be around
you, that's going to encourageyou, and it really becomes a
diagnosis, you know, because itmakes you check the people
around you, yeah.
So y'all, y'all, please, please, take heed to the words that
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have been given, because we areabsolutely vessels and
instruments for Jesus Christ tospeak through Amen.
So, ms Doris, would you pleaselead us in prayer as we close
out our time together.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh yes, ma'am, Thank you for our heads.
Heavenly Father, we come beforeyou and I just want to say
thank you, lord God.
Thank you for partnering withme, lord God, for helping to
lead me today, lord God, forhelping me, lord God, and
strengthening me to have thecourage to tell my story, lord
God, but more importantly, blessthe listeners, lord God.
Lord, bless God's diamonds.
(27:19):
Our podcast, lord God, msCharlene has a message to people
and she is focused, lord God,on spreading your word, lord God
, of being a disciple of you,lord God, and I just want to
thank you for her, lord God,lord, I want to thank you for
the people that are listeningand may their hearts be touched.
Lord God, I ask that youinvolve everyone today with your
(27:45):
love and your grace.
Lord God, just give us all justa little bit more patience,
lord God, because we all coulduse just a little bit more each
day, and I thank you on thisMonday, lord God, and I praise
you in Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Amen, amen, amen.
Thank you again, ms Doris.
I certainly appreciate youbeing here, love your story and
again, I just bless all that Godis doing in your life, amen.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Amen.
Thank you Amen.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
All right, y'all Y'all know what time it is.
Until the next time, rememberyou are a diamond in the rough
and we will see you on next week.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Amen and amen.
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