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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keane from GOD TV
Radio. I hope you're all having a
wonderful day out there. I hope you all have been
blessed. When you get an opportunity,
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And when you get an opportunity,if you enjoy reading, you may
enjoy my books. Today, a YouTube user by the
name of Tucker decided to make avideo asking the question, or
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maybe a rhetorical question. Is Jeffrey Dahlmer in hell or
heaven? As many of you know, Jeffrey
Dahlmer was a cannibalistic atheist who went around
murdering people, mostly homosexuals, cut them up,
dismembered them, and then ate their parts.
While he was in prison, he went and changed himself over to
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Christianity according to his own words and interviews.
According to Tucker, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't a real Christian
or didn't do the rituals properly because of the process
or way that he went about getting baptized.
This is according to Tucker and his premises is that Jeffrey
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Dahmer didn't actually believe in Jesus Christ properly or was
making it up. Now that is an interesting
point. I agree with Tucker that that is
a good point because there is such a terminology as jailhouse
Jesus. I don't know if many of you've
heard this, but there's a lot ofatheists out there that ask the
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question if God is real and Christians have a moral compass,
an objective moral compass, thenwhy are there so many Christians
in jail? According to stats ladies and
gentlemen, a lot of the people who end up going into prison are
atheist and agnostic non believers.
But once they get in there, there are preachers and priests
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who visit them. They also have Christian
community conversations and group therapy where the same
atheists who committed crimes will sit daily with preachers
and priests and talk about JesusChrist and God and eventually
they will convert over to Christianity.
Either they'll do it because they believe it'll improve their
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life. Help them, or it'll appeal to
the parole board where it'll make the parole board want to
allow them to be released one day.
Or they'll get extra snacks. Some of them manipulate the
system or pretend to be something they're not in order
to basically get more privilegeswhile in prison.
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You'd be surprised what someone would do whenever they're
trapped between 4 walls in a small tiny room with bars as
their door. However, a lot of them do end up
sincerely and authentically converting over to Christianity,
accepting Jesus Christ, accepting that he died on the
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cross for their sins, and resurrected 3 days later.
So that's the reason why people go in as an atheist, but they
either come out Christian or they die in prison.
As far as Jeffrey Dahmer goes, there's an interesting story
even behind his death. He was killed by a man who was
related to one of the victims. The man that killed him in
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prison with a mop stick, along with another cellmate had a
nickname, The Chosen. Yeah, like in The Chosen One.
Well, we're going to check out an interview done by Jeffrey
Dahmer, and then I'll talk to you all about my thoughts on did
he go to heaven or hell? It's pretty clear that Tucker
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thinks that he's burning in hellas we speak.
Well, let's get into that. Let me mute my mic and play
this. Your dad has wondered about all
kinds of things, from the medication that your mom was on
during her pregnancy, to the fact that you were exposed to
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violent arguments in the home from an early age and
continuing, to the possibility that he might have passed on
some genetic propensity for obsession or violent behavior.
Does any of that ring true to you?
I can see why he'd wonder about those things, but as far as I'm
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concerned, they're all excuses because I didn't feel
accountable to anybody. I didn't feel that I had to, to
face what I had done ever. And so you, you have, there
comes a point where a person hasto, has to be accountable for
what he's done. Can't go, can't go around making
excuses, blaming other people orother things.
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So I, I alone, am the one who's responsible for what's happened.
Let me ask, when did you first feel that that everyone is
accountable? For their actions.
Well, thanks to you for for sending that creation science
material, because I always, I always believe the, the lie that
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evolution is truth. The theory of evolution is truth
that we all just came from the slime.
And when we, when we died, you know, that was it.
There was nothing. So the whole theory cheapens
life and started reading books about how that show how
evolution is, is just a completelie.
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There's there's no, there's no basis in science to to uphold
it. And I've come to since come to
believe that that the Lord JesusChrist is the true creator of
the heavens and the earth. It just didn't just happen.
And I have accepted Him as my Lord and Savior, and I believe
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that I, as long as well as everyone else, will be
accountable to Him. Growing up, did you feel that
you were accountable to your dador to your mom as the authority
figure in the house? Yes, I did.
I mean, they, they didn't let merun while they were, they
discipline me and so I felt accountable to them.
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But afterwards, after I left thehome, that's, that's when I
started wanting to sort of create my own little world where
I could be the one who had the complete control or I didn't
have to bout anyone else's demands.
And I just took it way too far. At that period of time, I had
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drifted away from a belief in a Supreme Being and I never as a
result passed along the feeling that we are all accountable in
the end, He owns us, and that basic concept is very
fundamental to all of. Us you feel that the absence, at
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least for a while, of a strong religious faith and belief.
For some years. May have prevented you from
instilling some of that in Jeff.That's right.
Is that how you feel? Yes, I think I had a big, big
part to deal to do with it. I mean, if you don't, if a
person doesn't think that there there is a God to be accountable
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to, then then what's what's the point of of trying to modify
your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?
That's how I thought anyway. And I've since come to believe
that the Lord Jesus Christ is truly God the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Spirit. They're the only true God.
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Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't think anyone would arguewith me if I were to say that
mental illness played a big partin the Jeffrey Dahlmer's fall
and why he became the type of person he is.
I would argue that if you're an atheist or an unbeliever and you
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go down the rabbit hole where you state that there's no
objective values or morality, that your morality comes from
some kind of transformation through evolution, but somehow
an unconscious nature created your understanding of right and
wrong, then you're in serious trouble.
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Nature doesn't care about you oryour soul.
It doesn't care about your consciousness.
It doesn't care about how much pain you suffer.
It doesn't care about how much it kills.
Nature does not have a consciousness, so therefore it
has no belief and it holds itself not accountable to
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anything. I think that if you have the
world view that morality is nothing more than a man made
construction or an illusion, youwill eventually lose sight of
what is right and wrong, what isgood, what is evil, and you'll
have no limitations. There will be no parameters
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whatsoever to keep you from doing atrocities, which is what
Jeffrey Dahmer is trying to explain, and believe it or not,
he was very articulate. I think that anybody that
listens to the interview will get the point.
Did he actually believe in JesusChrist?
Did he believed Jesus Christ wasGod?
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Did he believed that Jesus did the things that he said he did
in the Bible? Did he believed that he was now
accountable to a higher power? I think Jeffrey Dahlmer did.
I think that he was convinced and I think that due to him
making these changes while incarcerated, he was absolutely
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convinced that Jesus Christ was the way.
And as far as going to heaven and hell, I would never make the
assumption either way. I'm not trying to hate on you
Tucker or try to cause any kind of drama or commotion, but God
is the one who makes the determination if someone made
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the right decisions in life and accepted him properly, not us.
So to state that we know for a fact what God did with him, I
wouldn't presume or be arrogant enough to make the decision on
that. It could be very possible that
Jeffrey Dahmer was a narcissistic liar, manipulator
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and said all these things in order to be able to get out of
his cell just so he would have people to talk to and not be
bored that day. That's very possible as well as
far as baptisms and religious rituals and all this.
Many of you probably don't know this, but I was baptized 8 * 8
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times. And the reason why is my mother
whenever I was younger was mentally ill and she was sick
and due to the fact that she couldn't take care of her kids,
I ended up in the system. I ended up in foster care and
while I was in foster care dealing with abusive people and
going in and out of places, I was introduced to much theology
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as well as many churches. Every foster care I lived in,
for however long I stayed, believed in God and believed in
some form of denomination. I learned about many many
denominations while growing up in the system and each one of
them all thought that the other one was wrong about how they did
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things. So they would re save me and re
baptize me, re save me and re baptize me and to say magical
new words every single time I went.
Of course, after seeing all thatreligion, religious people
fighting over if they were actually capable of saving a
child and all that was one of the big reasons why later on in
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my life I became an atheist. I didn't take religious people
seriously anymore. I didn't take Christian
seriously because they would tell you that you had to jump
through all kinds of hoops and stupid crap.
And I've always had this thoughtprocess that if there is a God
and he's all powerful, all knowing, and He truly loves us,
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then there's going to be some form of lenience and patience
there. He's going to endure.
And God being as wise and intelligent as he is, way
smarter than I could ever mustereven in 100,000 lifetimes.
God knows our hearts, and He is going to be the one that
determines if we truly wanted tobe with Him and have a
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relationship or not. But I couldn't take religious
people seriously back in the daybecause I would watch them
squabble over the stupidest shitI watched them argue over.
Is baptism right? What kind of words you have to
say? There's a certain way you have
to pray. There's a certain translation of
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the Bible that you have to endear or Revere.
There's a certain type of denomination.
Everything had some kind of bullshit steps in the process.
And here I'm thinking to myself,but if there is a God, then he's
omnipresent, omniscient, all knowing and everywhere he's
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going to hear my prayers whetherI'm in a a damn coat closet or
whether I'm out in the middle ofa field or I'm in the middle of
a Moss pit at a Slayer concert. It doesn't matter where I'm at,
what book I have, God is always listening.
That's the kind of thought process I had whenever I was a
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non believer. I always had Plan B.
There was always, but if there is a God, if there is a God,
then this is how I assume that he would, He would be.
And some people might say, well,Brett, that's anthropomorphizing
God. That's saying God would be like
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you. No, God being that way is
nothing like the way I would do.I have often cracked jokes and
stuff and all seriousness as well stated that if I were God
and I had that kind of power, I would have taken out the human
race all together and I wouldn'thave even left a few or a
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handful of people. I have come to the point where
this world makes me sick. If it wasn't for my beautiful
kids and my wife and some of thegood friends I have out there, I
see absolutely no necessary use for this world anymore.
I see Earth as a graveyard, floating in the darkness and
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abyss of the coldness of space. I see humanity as a species that
repeats war and death and destruction over and over and
over again. A lot of my views prior,
whenever I was a nihilist, I didbelieve that there was a lack of
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value in many, many different things.
And even as a Christian now I see that there's a lot of things
that lack value and are not necessary, like this continuous
desire to do evil on others. Why humans do it to each other,
I don't know. I don't understand why it's 2025
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and people still do this shit toeach other after all this.
Why we still have war? Why we still have anything?
The only way I'm able to get around this, ladies and
gentlemen, is to realize that God doesn't just love us as the
fact that we're a creation or because we're humans.
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God loves us because he actuallyperceives us as his children.
And like the father of Jeffrey Dahmer that's sitting there,
even though he knows his son hasdone some horrible shit, there's
some despicable, terrible thingsthat'll leave you up at night
because you can't go to sleep due to nightmares.
He loves his son. You can tell when he looks at
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his son. He's proud of his son for
accepting Christ. He's proud that his son, even
though it's almost too late for his boy.
He's proud of him because he sees that his son is trying.
His son's trying to dig himself out of the grave.
He sees that even with all the mistakes, all the problems,
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there's still some good there. Or it could all be a lie.
Who knows, Who knows? He'd be surprised what people
will say and do in order just tobe able to get 5 minutes out of
their cage. I've seen people on YouTube do
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things that'll make a Billy goatpuke just so they could get 5
minutes of attention. There's people out there that
are so lonely. They're so, there's so much
suffering in them mentally and emotionally, but they don't know
what to say. They don't know what to do.
They don't know how to articulate their feelings.
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And a lot of people think they're going to be mocked.
So they act a fool, they act crazy.
Anything that it takes just to have someone look at them and
validate their existence. It's sad.
So did Jeffrey Drummer go to heaven or hell?
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I don't know. From what I knowing the Bible,
Jeffrey Dahmer is most definitely dead.
I think the entire human race, according to the Bible, is going
to die and remain in the grave until Jesus returns.
That means that Jeffrey Dahmer is not conscious right now.
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There's no ghost haunting the world of Jeffrey Dahmer.
Everyone in the Old Testament aswell as New Testament, everyone
all the way from that point ARN that exists today are all dead.
They are dead now. When Jesus returns and judgment
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is upon us, that's when it will be decided.
Will there be the second death? And to me, second death is the
destruction of the soul. Jesus said to the people
listening to him, Don't fear he who can just destroy the body,
but fear he who can also destroybody and soul.
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Jesus made it clear that as God,he was capable of annihilating
you. So that's another question
altogether. Tucker, I suppose we could talk
about, I'm aware that there are some verses that give the
Dante's Inferno impression of the Bible, but I would say 95%
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of it. Teach annihilationism, which is
where I'm at now. So even if Jeffrey Dahmer does
not go to heaven or it participates in the New world, I
suspect that his soul will be absolutely disintegrated.
Eternal destruction as opposed to eternal torture.
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Yes, that's my thought process. We got to be careful, Tucker.
We got to be careful whenever we're saying some of the things
we do out there. I'm not going to, you know, tell
people how to run their religionor their walk with God or
anything like that. But we need to at least keep in
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mind, ladies and gentlemen, thatin the end, none of us know
what's going in the heart of other people.
We don't know what God sees. So there's that.
When you all get an opportunity,check out the links in my
description and check out the music, the books and so on.
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That's all I got to say today. God bless.