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Hi everyone, welcome to today's show.
I have a guest with me today, author and Satanic priest and
founder of the Satanic Fulian Society Lucifer Like Vorden.
Hello and welcome to today's show.
Hey thanks, nice to be here. Absolutely.
I'm so glad to have you back on the channel again.
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I we were saying it's been abouta year since we did another show
together and I'm so excited to talk about your new book, which
is called A Bad Moon. And this book is really special
because so much of your work hasbeen grimoires and material on
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theistic Satanism and very serious occultism, and you have
once again decided to release this creative project aside from
your usual work. So I wanted to talk about the
significance of this today and also a bit about the book as
well for people to help inspire them in their spiritual paths,
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because there's so much that we can talk about.
So the first question that I have for you about the book is
what inspired you to explore werewolf folklore for a bad
moon? Well, I've been a student of the
occult for over 30 years, you know, and I've been a practicing
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Satanist for just about 20 yearsnow.
So, you know, I started practicing Satanism actively in
2006, I believe. And before then going all the
way back to 97, I was a an occultist.
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I grew up though, watching classic Hammer movies, American
Werewolf in London, The Howling,and so I grew up with this
wonderful classic genre, movie genre and respect for it, which
Satanism draws very heavily from.
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You may remember back in the 1960s and 70s, a lot of those
movies that inevitably inspired the Satanic to Panic drew very
heavily on the satanic iconography.
And I want to say a lot of thosemovies were both inspired by and
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inspired Anton Lavey in his personal aesthetic as well as
their own. And as we know, The Devil's
Reign was a movie that actually had Anton Lavey in it, along
with William Shatner, John Travolta, Ernest Burgess, and a
bunch of other really great actors.
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And Lavey, she designed all the Satanic sets for it.
I actually have a replica of thehelmet that he used in that
movie. And you know, whenever you watch
me in my rituals, you might notice on this little finger I
wear a very interesting ring andwhich is on the bookshelf behind
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me. And that's actually a ring that
was taken from a cast mold of one of Sir Christopher Lee's
Count Dracula rings that he worein the classic Hammer rooms.
And it comes with a certificate of often density and every.
So a lot of my occult studies was inspired by Classic Cinema.
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It's what really made me want toget into studying the occult.
And I want to say that it really, you know, inspired a lot
of my world's views once I was in the occult.
Of course, you know, I ate up literature ravenously about all
sorts of things, including cryptids, monsters, witchcraft,
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and, well, obviously Satanism. So one night my wife and I, we
were sitting down, we were watching a movie.
And the movie is Bad Moon, whichI don't know if you've ever
watched that movie, but it's a werewolf movie and it's one of
the better ones. And it's a really cute story
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about this guy who's a werewolf,and he goes to live with his
sister and his nephew to try to overcome the wearable curse.
Well, they have this dog named Thor, and he's this German
shepherd. And it's a story about how this
dog is trying to protect his family from werewolf.
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And it really got me thinking. It's like, OK, well, why do
werewolves do the things that they do?
What are some of the less understood elements of
lycanthropy in these movies? And I started looking at it from
an occultist point of view, as well as a person who might be
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interested in actually studying animal behavior.
So that's when I was like, all right, let's write a werewolf
story, a bad moon, and let's utilize this story to explore
some elements of the werewolf that we haven't explored them or
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some of their behaviors, some oftheir intricacies and why they
do it. And then I just was like, well,
do I want to tell it from the werewolf side or do I want to
tell it from the people side? And I was like, let's make it
like a classic movie. I want to write it so it's it's
sort of a creature feature. So the werewolf becomes the
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monster, but I also wanted to tell it something from the
werewolf side and so, well, you know how I did that.
Oh yeah, absolutely. And I thought it was really
successful in how you created the story and I enjoyed reading
it so much. I like I was saying in the
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review, I found it really refreshing to read an occult
informed Horror Story among all the more heavy material that
I've been studying for school and stuff like that.
So after years of writing occultnon fiction and grimoires, what
drew you to step more into the realm of fiction with this
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novel? I know you've been doing a lot
of things with your satanic organization and going through a
lot of personal growth as well, so I was wondering if that
affected your choice in doing this.
Well, yes and no. That definitely did affect some
of it. What it was is after I got done
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writing or rewriting my variation of Bible of Hulu,
which I'm still in the process of editing a final version, but
we have like a preliminary version already out that people
can still go get and it's still really good.
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I realized that I was burnt out on writing Satanic literature
because I had such a hard time writing that book and it in
order to get it done when I wanted to get it done because I
was already behind schedule on it.
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In order to get it done, I had to resort to various writing
methods that I really wasn't very fond of at the time.
And it showed me that I was completely burnt on writing
Satanic literature, on writing active non fiction, occult
literature, and that I needed totake a step back.
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And so I chose I, I was like, all right, I don't want to stop
writing. I just need to take a step back
and see, you know, maybe change how I'm doing things.
So I was like, all right, let metake a step back and try my hand
at non fiction again. And believe it or not, this is
not the first non fiction book Iwrote this year.
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I do have another non fiction book that is going that is
completely finished that's goingto be coming out in November.
And I was also before writing this, working on another project
that I also burned myself out on.
And I was like 6 chapters away from the end that I was, I, I
couldn't finish it. I had to change again.
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And so my wife told me, you know, want to write this work,
full story, Just go ahead and write it.
This is what came around. And so if you.
Yeah, you've seen it. If you look in in the back of
the book, there's this wonderfullittle.
Yeah. And I saw you were sharing
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online some of the artwork you had been working on for it as
well. Yes.
Yes, One Evil Christmas will be coming out in November, and, you
know, I'm looking forward to it.I had fun writing that.
It was a cute one, but again, it's sort of raw.
I was still trying to figure outmy writing, my new writing
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method to write nonfiction. And so it isn't quite perfect.
And you know, yeah. That's wonderful.
I find that in my own spiritual practice, it's so important to
do creative projects that are, yes, inspired by the spiritual
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work that I'm doing, but also just have a freedom to exist in
their own way, almost like the child of inspiration from
everything else that my brain has been going through.
And basically giving that as like a gem of inspiration to the
world. And that's why I thought that
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the situation of this work that you've created is so important
for other spiritual practitioners to think about and
learn from and to be inspired by.
Because not only is the story awesome and fun to read, but
also this idea of someone like yourself that has dedicated his
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life to discovering the unknown and, and pursuing the occult
mysteries. And, and not just that in a
vacuum, but in all your work of community service through what
you're doing to help other people in their paths, which is
always difficult for people thatare seeking in the darkness.
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And so this is really a lesson to a lot of people that just
because you might be burned out,it doesn't mean that you're
supposed to abandoned the thingsthat you love.
I've been. Asked numerous times, is STS
done? Is it closing?
Because as you know, last year we had a lot of problems.
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I went through a lot of problems.
I've openly admitted that I evenstarted slipping minorly into
heavy marijuana use. And unfortunately, I did a
interview and thankfully the interviewer didn't take that
interview. They let me redo the interview,
but I was high during the time because of all the stress that I
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was going under. And they let me redo the
interview when I wasn't. And I was really appreciative,
appreciative of that. And it showed me that there was
a lot of things that I was having personal problems with
that I needed to address. And so people, you know, in
October, we went on sabbatical. I showed the membership doors,
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numerous members left STS, but you know, and people ask me is
STS done? Is it closing?
Like no, it's not closing, but we are taking a break from it.
And I needed that break and that.
And this book came about partially because of that rate
that I was able to take it and refocus my energies that I
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needed to do that way, you know,when we do reopen, which we're
going to be doing in October, things will be a little bit
different. But we're going to be reopening
in October. And I can come back to it with a
fresh you and a fresh perspective and a new
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understanding and. Appreciation for it.
That's fantastic. I think it really helps to spark
that sense of wonderment as welland mystery that often can be
distracted from when when we're dealing with so much stuff that
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is very personal in regards to helping people in the work that
we do, right? Exactly.
And the thing that a lot of people need to remember is the
Satanists and occultists, priests and priestesses, we're
people too. We have lives outside of this,
families that we need to tend to.
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You know, you get a lot of people who come into this and
they go so rock hard into it that they seem to forget why
we're doing this, why we build templates in our homes, why we
have altars or why we write books on this.
We do this because we're trying to improve ourselves and part of
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improving ourselves is helping others improve themselves.
And you know, sometimes we need help as well.
And that's always going to be the major journey is you're
always trying to improve. You're trying to improve your
personal personality, your knowledge, your living
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situation, your health. There's always got to be
something that you're trying to improve.
You're trying to improve your personal skills on something.
It doesn't matter what. And sometimes life gets in the
way of that. And that's when we come in as
clergy to help people out in whatever way that we can.
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And it doesn't matter if they'rea Satanist or not.
You know, we take vows to do exactly that.
Yeah, exactly. And that really goes into the
overall principles of your organization, the Satanic
Thulian Society, you know of developing the the Ultima Thul,
right? Exactly, exactly.
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You're always trying to reach your highest self, and that's
exactly what Thul, or today, as some people might say, needs.
I remember how you and I first met that was a little bit of a
bit of contention, but because of you, I wrote this wonderful
article that's actually on the website that kind of goes into
explaining the history of the word fool.
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And you know how it's, you know,a lot of people, they
misunderstand it as being just simply tied to the Nazis, but
it's not. It's much older and people, if
they read their Dante's Inferno,they know the character Virgil.
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And Virgil was a real person about 2000 years ago and she
coined the term ultimate dual, meaning farthest dual and fool
was this island way to the north.
It was meant to be the ultimate goal of trying to reach that
highest, furthest travelable point.
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That's what ultimately needs to go as far as you can and then
keep going. Yeah, that's so amazing and
inspiring for people because most people haven't been
invested in the occult for as long as you.
So they don't realize like the consequences of the energies
that you put forward or how overall your life will go through
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some kind of alchemical transformation if you have a
real spiritual practice. And it's not always just going
to be the obvious things. You know, getting involved with
Satanism on a social level can make you a bit of a pariah if
you're not careful. And you know, that's another
thing that a lot of people don'tunderstand.
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So when you get into this, you know, you and I, we've been in
it long enough, we understand onthe price it takes on our lives
and those people around us for simply being involved with us.
And we're good with that. We've made peace with that.
But a lot of people aren't. And that's one of the things
that we we tried to tell people.And I think that people should
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know it more, you know, that we should tell people more that,
hey there, you know, it's great to get involved with this, but
think about how it is for your social life and where you want
to go. This may not be the right path
for you to achieve that. And, you know, I see so many
people, they have, they're struggling, they have so many
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hardships and struggles. And I, I, I want to tell them,
you know, this is what you're doing wrong.
You need to change this. You need to change how you speak
or approach things. And no matter what you do, then
things will go better for you. But half the time, you know, I
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can't. I can't.
And I've got to let them find that out.
Trump will change themselves because if I intervene, it's
going to contradict where they're going.
They're like. The werewolf goes through a
whole transformation process, right?
So just like a person getting involved into the unknown and
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contacting this primal force that is magic, it can do so many
things to a person. And I think that is really
interesting in your choice of this story and and your
background in esoteric studies. Ellie Granger, the main
character of my book, she undergoes that change in the
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book. And it's a really interesting
thing to see because as you know, in the beginning of the
book, she's gone through some really bad things over the
course of the year before the book happens.
And she's, you know, I'm not going to give away any parts of
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the book for people. Throughout the course of the
book you go from this beaten down girl to happening to come
to grips not only with the things that have happened to
her, but what is going on aroundher and what her future might
be. Exactly.
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And and that's the cool part about the transformation aspect
of the werewolf. Did you did you find that in in
your pursuit of writing this book?
And I know this is just the first in a series too, which is
pretty cool. Did you find that it reflected
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your own personal transformationfrom your gnosis of the occult?
I want to say so, you know, I never really thought about it.
But yeah, you know, looking backon it, when I first started
really getting into the Echo, I started just as this nine kid
who one day, you know, one day had an incident myself.
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And I've shown people the scars on the side of my head.
I was bitten by a Great Dane andI was DOA for 20 minutes.
I've told people this story before and when I came back, you
know, because they were pronouncing me dead, they were
giving up on me. And I came back, I, I'd seen
some shit and it changed my perspective and it set me out on
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this whole path of religious study because I wanted to
understand what I saw while I was dead.
And that changed everything. So in a weird way, it was pretty
ironic because at during the incident where I was bitten by
the dog, I remember, you know, freaking out and screaming.
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You know, I can't remember if I was screaming.
I think I was screaming at my grandmother and my mom, my
adoptive mother. But I'm a werewolf now and I'm
going to change. Oh wow, so you had really had
like a direct personal experience that you can tie into
this? Well, I was just a little boy.
I was about 7-8 years old, something like that, and I had
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just been bitten by a Great Dane.
So they're huge. To a child, they're like a
horse. They're huge to an adult and
this is a fully grown Great Dane.
Her name was Kelly Girl. She was my grandmother's dog and
her and I had grown up together.Well, she had just recently been
hit by a car and so she was soreand we're in the my
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grandmother's kitchen and I had my shoes on and I didn't realize
that her paw was sore. And I touched her sore paw and
she yelled. And you know how a dog yelps
when they when something touchesa tender spot, like or something
really sore, they snap at whatever's causing them pain?
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Well, she didn't mean to, but she snapped and yelled and my
head was in the way. And so, you know, a dog in pain
kids head, not a good combination.
Great Danes have these great big, huge old heads and these
big jaws. So it was, it was literally like
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getting mocked by a werewolf. So the irony was that yes, in a
strange way, due to it by my entire life.
Yeah, and then you went through this whole process too, of
coming into your own power through pursuing these darker
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mysteries. Yes.
And, you know, learning about myself, I want to say the true
source of my power came from learning about myself and
learning what I could and couldn't do.
Coming to grips in terms with both the positive elements of
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myself and the most monstrous elements of my stuff that we all
have. That those monstrous elements
that are so horrific that we know we're fully capable of,
that we will never talk about toanybody else, that we will never
talk about openly to anyone. Even if they ask, even if they
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are some of the most trusted people in the world, we just
will never talk about most people.
They bury that monster inside ofthem and they never, they put it
in a little tiny box in their head and they never opened the
box. Well, I found one of the things
that in order to truly come to understand yourself is you've
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got to open that box and you've got to face that monster of
yourself. And once you can come to grips
with that, once you can face that and admit it to yourself,
you never have to talk about it to anybody else.
But as long as you can admit it to yourself, you can control it.
You can then put that box back. You could put an extra lock on
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it because you now understand what it is and you can now turn
that evil to your benefit and become the best version of
yourself. And I think the werewolf is a
wonderful example of that transformation.
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You know, the vampire is anotherone as well.
And I think that's why vampires and werewolves, they are some of
our favorite monsters, because we see that these are creatures
in folklore that represent the most monstrous elements of
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humanity, the bestial nature, and the absolute pure sadist,
and that they just consume and destroy everything around them.
But they can also create and become something above humanity.
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And I think that's one of the other reasons why we like these
monsters so much, why we love wear rules because and vampires
because they inspire us to become more than ourselves by
confronting that evil within us.Yeah, that's so true, brother.
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Like when you speak of this, those are the real keys to
mastering black magic and the dark arts.
It's not about finding the fucked up things inside of us
and becoming insane from it. It's about realizing those
things are there and creating analchemical change within
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ourselves to integrate those aspects so they don't control
us, but we can use them in beautiful ways.
Just like you have done this creative work.
And I think that's so helpful for anybody that's on this path
to understand, like figure out what is your creative outlet?
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Maybe you don't like writing like Lucifer does.
Maybe you don't like painting like I do, but maybe you like
something else. Like any kind of creative outlet
is literally how. Everybody here to have that
creativity in them. Exactly it can be.
It can be working on cars. It can be.
Yeah. That's so true.
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You know, it could be gardening,it could be animal care, you
know, as you know, I have my dogin here with me, he said.
She's she's being a lazy bum on the floor.
But you know, there's all these different avenues of creativity.
We are not locked into just simply doing artwork.
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And there's certain parts of doing artwork that we're not
going to be good at. And that's perfectly OK because
we're going to find strength in other elements of it.
And it's about finding what we aren't good at and be it
writing, be it painting, be it whatever we can figure out other
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things to make up or our weaknesses for those weak parts
of our artistic nature or creativity, or as we like to
call it in STS, the black flame.Because that's exactly what the
black flame is. It's the fire of creativity and
magic in US. How does imaginative creative
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work like your fiction writing demonstrate A deeper connection
to the demonic and infernal currents that you explore in
your own spiritual practice and and teachings?
Well, like I said before, I burned myself out on writing
books like the Testament. I burned myself out on that.
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But I still love Satanism. I still love the darks, the dark
arts. And I was like, how can I
continue to teach people about this when I'm currently burned
out on writing straight up literature?
And I was like, you know, some of the best things that inspired
me was fiction. You know, looking at watching
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Christopher Lee and Bella Lugosi, Peter Cushing Servant
surprise all these people, you know, these old time movie
actors who portrayed this in in their movies.
That was inspiration. Why can't I create stories that
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do the same thing? Why can't I write a book or
various books, who just through the simple actions of the
characters and the process of the story, teach the
fundamentals of what Satanism is, to apply it in a real
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situation, even if that situation is a fantastical
fantasy situation, like being chased through the Cherokee
National Forest by a werewolf? Why can't I apply those lessons
and apply it to my characters? So when people read the book,
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they can see how these lessons can be applied to their
day-to-day life through these characters, through Ellie,
through Chena, they can see the downfalls of like Jess and Mark.
And ultimately they can see whatreal evil looks like through
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David. They can see what real goodness
and kindness looks like through Jared.
You know, You think about it, Jared Patchy know exactly what
was going on. There's no way he could miss it.
It was obvious he knew, and yet he didn't show one bit of hatred
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towards them. He didn't show one iota of in
spiritedness. He accepted them.
He opened up his door, fed them,gave them warm clothes when he
didn't have to. He could have turned that rifle
right over onto them and ended it.
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There really been nothing that they could have done.
Yeah, the books have what I liketo think of as, and you had
mentioned to me as well like to when I was reading it, to be
aware of the various themes thatyou teach in your order.
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And I really like that because you explore principles of what I
like to think of as real theistic Satanism, which is
about helping people, which is about empowering people, not
harming children, and all these other values that overall will
fundamentally help the world andpeople if they actually think
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about them and not fear the things that people don't want to
pay attention to. Because that's a big that's a
big part of the problems, right?Exactly, exactly.
You know, Satanism, it teaches you to take responsibility for
your own actions and inactions. When we look at everything that
Ellie went through, we realized that it was all her own actions
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and inactions that caused her problems.
And she understood that. She didn't shy away from that
responsibility. And it wasn't easy.
It wasn't it wasn't nice. It was very painful for her, but
would you say in the end of the book she was rewarded for it?
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Because she took a head on
approach of realizing the mistakes that she had made.
That's what caused her to change.
And how? By by understanding those
mistakes, yeah. And then I change too, right?
Yeah, exactly. I change thanks to your help and
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learning from you like that is. So important to know.
I remember you looking at me. You know, we were having a video
conversation just like this. And I remember you looking at me
and you're like, what can I do? You know, I, you know, I've hurt
myself so much, what can I do? And I gave you so many
recommendations and you took them.
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You took them all, even right down to stopping and plucking
your eyebrows and letting them grow back in you.
You were like, they'll never grow back in.
They'll they did well. There's kind of there is a
little eyeshadow on them that's filling them in, but they are
there. Now.
They're just very fair because like my hair, my natural hair
color is pretty light, so you can't see them that well.
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But but yeah, like, and I just feel better thanks to your
honest advice to me and also just from learning the things
that you teach people. The most important step in all
of that, in your personal transformation, just like with
Elliot, hers, you getting lie toyourself anymore.
You didn't hide from the mistakes you had made.
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She doesn't hide from the mistakes she's made.
You accepted that responsibility, and you took the
initiator by accepting that responsibility to change the
course of your law. So when you were writing the
book, did you have any new dimensions about darkness and
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your beliefs about darkness and transformation while you were
writing the book? No, not so much in the
metaphysical sense when I was writing the book and I was, and
I'm still in that developmental phase of changing my writing
style, as you noted before I wasbefore I was an occult non
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fiction author and now I'm writing a cult fiction.
I'd call it horror fiction half the time and sometimes a little
bit of mystery. I found that it wasn't so much
the magical element of me discovering anything new
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magically. I didn't do any real magical
growth, so to speak, in the sense of doing ritual or
anything like that. Where I grew was in my personal
skills at being an author, at being an editor, at being a
publisher. And I actually have the
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hardcover version with me as well.
But if you're an author and you're writing a picture, one of
the best habits to do, and this is what I wasn't doing and I
should have been doing, is when you get in your hard copies your
your pre published hard copies. Read through it and keep a pen
and paper with you and any minorlittle mess up.
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You write down the chapter, the page number and what the mess up
is and what you need to do to correct it.
Like the Satanic testament. If you look at the Satanic
Testament, you'll notice that I have a ragged line on this side.
This is just an editor editing part.
I didn't know how to correct thebig gaps with justified text.
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Now I do. So it's like when you read the
new book and I can show you thisone.
This is part of the growth that I did.
So I'm actually goes to your question.
When you look at the new book, you'll notice that unlike the
Satanic Testament, the text is fully justified.
No super huge gapping really. And it looks really good.
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That was part of my personal growth is I never really
justified my texts. I didn't understand that.
And that goes to partially to learning to be creative in a
way, challenging yourself in your creative process, just like
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with me trying to develop new habits with my writing process.
One of the things that I never used to do is I never used to
write a story outline or a storyskeleton.
I used to be a discovery writer.You know, I just go off on a
tangent and, you know, see whereit takes me.
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And that worked great with the Testament because I could focus
each chapter on a specific subject.
But it doesn't really. And some authors can do it.
You can do discovery writing with fiction One Evil Christmas.
It's all discovery written it itis 100% discovery written.
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But I found like with a bad moon, a bad moon is completely
structured. I wrote out a skeleton, I wrote
out a full story, Bible, character profiles, I I plotted
the whole book out as best as I could and I found that it was
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much better. I want to continue to teach
people about Satanism even if I'm not writing non fiction and
I'm writing fiction. If you read these books that I'm
writing now, you can see the Satanic lessons applying to the
characters through their faults and their strengths.
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And before I wouldn't have been able to do that.
That's why I thought this was project was just so cool.
Sorry to interrupt you. I just, This is why I wanted to
feature you on the channel because I think this is so
important for people to witness,like how you put all of this
together, your discovery processand why you chose to do this.
Because I think it's so unique in a creative project that's
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still teaching people about Satanism and your message, but
in a way that also helps inspirepeople on how how can they
create something artistic with those same messages.
Yeah, and that, that's the thing.
We see so many books coming out on Satanism, and some of them
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are really good. I got a whole library shelf
behind me filled with books on Satanism.
I've got books by Anton Lavey, Michael Aquino.
I've got books by authors who are just not around anymore.
Some of these books are really great books.
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Some of them are not very good at all.
But The thing is, that doesn't mean that the Satanist who wrote
it was bad, just that they didn't have the right medium and
to be able, you know, if you want to write a book and say
you're a good fiction author. You don't need to write a book
like this. You can write a book like this
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and achieve all the things that you did with this.
Look at L Ron Hubbard with Scientology.
He was a science fiction writer.A lot of the lessons that he
applied to Scientology, he taught through his fiction
stories just as much as we did through his Scientology books.
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And that was one of the things that I've chosen to do with my
fiction writing is I want to achieve the same thing.
As a matter of fact, because of the fiction writing, you can 0IN
on a very specific life lesson that can have such a far
reaching effect into other avenues.
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You don't have to have your characters standing in front of
a satanic altar to teach those lessons.
I mean, you could if that's partof your story or you could have
them fighting Medusa. You can have your characters not
even be Satanists when you read a a bad moon.
None of the characters in this book are Satanists.
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They're not devil worshippers. They're normal kids.
They're normal people with normal lives.
Ellie herself is a Christian, technically, you know, and the
upcoming sequel, you learn that the Tina character, her parents
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are Methodist, and there's othercharacters who have other
religions in the upcoming book, in the whole upcoming series,
but yet they're still applying Satanic principles.
You don't need to be a Satanist to apply our principles to your
life and be successful. And these characters, they're
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not technically Satanist, but they're still find Satanic
principle and philosophy. Yeah, I thought it was very,
very successful. So for spiritual people that are
committed to the Left Hand Path and its philosophies, why do you
believe that it's vital to have creative projects beyond just
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them doing rituals? Well it's mostly to help avoid
the situation that I went through.
I had been going so hard to my Satanism as people can see just
from where I'm sitting and if they watch my ritual videos.
I built my own temple in my house I had.
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I'm currently sitting in a room with a 12 foot ceiling with a
dragon chandelier above my head.The whole room is completely
painted black and red and is dedicated to Satanism.
I went balls to the wall in Satanism for the better part of
a decade, 8 years at least, eventhough STS hasn't been out for
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eight years. We were going to be coming up on
our sixth year this October, buteven before then I went balls to
the wall was Satanism. We had a meet up group up in
Maryland. We had people coming over and I
completely dedicated myself to Satanism and satanic writing and
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just going completely all in on it so far that I eventually
burned myself out. And burnout is not fun.
It can be scary. You PD left questioning your own
faith and everything because youget so tired of it that it
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becomes very meaningless to you.Me personally, I love doing
ritual. I love doing our monthly high
masses. They are very important to me
and I find that a lot of other people enjoy them as well.
Because no one else was doing it.
No one else was doing live satanic rituals or people to get
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involved. And I love doing it, but I was
losing my enthusiasm for it. They were coming to me as empty
and hollow even as I was readingwords and I that hurt.
And so having these creative projects, being able to step
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away out of this satanic sphere that we encase ourselves in
outside of this dark metaphysical sphere, having
these projects like this, just asimple creative project that you
can have fun with that helps keep that fire in you alive to
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do all this. Because this, what we do here is
only one part of our lives. And that's something that I
think most Christians actually get right.
You can be a, you're a sickness 24/7.
You have a religion 24/7. It's not something you can turn
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on and off by a light switch. We use these philosophies to
help guide us through life and interpret our world, but this is
not our entire lives. It cannot.
This is only one element of our lives.
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And by having these other outside projects, having these
other outside things makes all of this much more enjoyable and
fulfilling in here. So when you have a creative
project, you're painting, writing a book, be writing a
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picture book, even just picking up and reading up a fiction book
or playing a video game. Having a passion project that
has nothing to do with the occult, that has nothing to do
with your religion or anything outwardly will help you build
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yourself to your religion, help marry you to it all the more
because then you could step intoyour virtual chamber.
You can pick up your sacred book, your groom warms and you
can feel that weight you can feel that joy in.
For me, I haven't stopped doing my monthly high masses, even
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though I'm in sabbatic still until October.
So we still have a few months left.
But going into sabbatical, stepping away from most of this
for 90% of my life, not answering as many questions
about Satanism, not talking about it as much and focusing on
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creative projects. Personally, getting into fiction
writing and having fun with it. I found that I'm enjoying my
monthly high masses more and I am having fun with it.
Occasionally we get Christian haters who come into the rooms
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and they're causing trouble and we have people who still bounce
them out and everything. But even then, I have fun with
them. I enjoy their presence, even
though they're talking some of the most hateful vitriol.
Anybody who watches my eye masses know that I can't see it.
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It's not affecting me because I turned the camera around.
So I got Diana off in the cornerhere who's monitoring
everything. I got other people on other
computers who work as our security who's monitoring
everything, and they're seeing it.
I'm not. They're just bouncing them out.
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And even when they're not there,the people who are there, they
eventually realize that they're not achieving anything and they
leave. And we still have a wonderful
fun, sometimes laughter filled ritual.
And it's really interesting because you have these satanic
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rituals and you know how we get,we can get really like fire and
brimstone in them, but then we can break and just start
cracking up laughing and it's really wonderful.
And that brings the enjoyment ofthe religion back to us.
And we can talk, you know, even after the ritual or the board
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ritual, we can talk about our bit of passion projects because
ultimately that is what we live life for, is that passion, that
love of living. And if we can't have fun
projects like this for me or your painting or whatnot, then
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what's the point of it all? What would be the point of all
if we couldn't enjoy our religion, why are we practicing
it? If I wasn't enjoying Satanism
anymore, why would I keep doing Satanic stuff?
And we see people like Marie Ravensall on Remember Her.
She went through a burnout phaseand she didn't tell anybody
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about it. And she went through a hard
conversion to Christianity. She took down all of her books
online. She stopped dressing gothic and
everything. She went through a whole
transformation. I'm not sure it's exactly
healthy for her. I hope it is.
I hope for the best for her. And I could end up going through
what Maria Ravenson did were, you know, complete religious
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converting. I wouldn't have converted to
Christianity. I would have still been Pagan.
I might have gone to Norse paganism or back to Wicca.
But you know, I didn't want to do that because I love Satanism
so much. I love being a Levaean.
I love all the effort that we put into this house, even though
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this house still needs a lot of work.
This room, you know, I put so much heart and soul into it to
bring to people, to allow peopleto come here and experience the
magic of it all for themselves. And if I couldn't do that
anymore, if it would have brokenmy heart, it would have
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absolutely just crushed. And I was so thankful that I was
able to fix that about myself, to take a step away.
And yes, STS did suffer serious losses.
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Yes, we had a lot of people lead, a lot of high-ranking
members lead. And yes, we are going to be
undergoing a change that is not going to be the same STS it was
before. But hopefully because of that
change, it's going to be a better STS because the people
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who are going to be involved with it, I'm hoping will be much
more actively involved and will be able to enjoy themselves and
enjoy what we do. I definitely know that there's
probably a lot of people that watch my channel that would be
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interested in learning more about the Satanic Thulian
Society and the other work that you do, So what would be the
best way for people to pursue that?
Well, right now, because we are still sabbatical, the best two
ways to do it is to buy a The Satanic Testament and the
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subsequent books The Black Room War and Red Room War as well as
the Satanic Priest top secret menu.
These books are the best way andif you want to pick up the Bible
Cthulhu for our Cthulian element, you can go ahead and do
that. The other way is to look on our
website and read up on the website.
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Currently I'm off and on trying to do edits to the website.
Unfortunately, due to finances, I've had to take down the old
Cult Cthulhu website that I was running and we're merging that
onto the STS website. So the STS website is going to
be like my central hub page where it's going to have
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everything. It's going to have my author
profile, my author page, it's going to have the Cult Cthulhu
stuff, it's going to have any ofour other sub genres of
Satanism, like a vampirism, Setianism, SIP ISM, as well as
the Levan stuff, the Kakulian stuff.
It's all going to be on the STS website and in its own little
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section. So I'm currently slowly working
that in because I've been so focused on writing, I haven't
really sat down fully to do to focus on editing the website.
But that all being said, the website is a really powerful
tool. It is a really good, solid place
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to be. One of the big things that I
remember was the old Church of Satan website where it just had
a massive amount of information compared to how the Church of
Satan website used to be when itwas just a basic HTML site with
the button column on the side and it was just, it was very
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rudimentary. The amount of information that
it had was absolutely stunning. And if you knew how to operate
that website, you could pretty much understand the entire
church Satan beliefs from that website.
We're obviously not atheists. We do believe in a very real
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Satan. We believe it in the same way
that Anton Lavey actually did. Contrary to popular belief, he
was not an atheist and he actually stated so numerous
times. He went on the Joe Pyne show and
everything. He just didn't believe in an
anthropomorphic state and neither do we.
We believe in a transmutable state.
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So that's a whole thing that if you're really interested in it,
you gotta, you can read the books.
You can read the website and youcan understand what is
transmutable versus what is anthropomorphic and why is that
such a a very critical detail. And when you understand that and
you realize oh wait, Anton Laveyflat out said even in the
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Satanic Bible, which is right behind me, the 1st chapter of
Anton Lavey's book. Let me pull it up.
The very first words in the veryfirst chapter chapter in the
book of Lucifer and it's in thischapter wanted God dead or alive
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on page 40. This is what Anton Lebay says
and I want people to pay attention to it.
It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not
believe in God. Notice he said misconception
that they don't believe in God, which means they absolutely do
believe in God. That is the literally the very
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first sentence. The very first sentence, and we
take that to heart. Anton La Vey went on the Joe
Pine show and he flat out said he absolutely believed God
exists. Then he went on to explain how
that was. Well, once you actually break it
down, you realize Anton Valet didn't have a word for that.
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He didn't understand that the word was transmutable, and so he
just expressed we just don't believe in an anthropomorphic
God or an anthropomorphic Satan,which is 100% correct.
It's not to say that Satan or God can't take on an
anthropomorphic form if necessary, but they can also
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just be a written word, a story,a book, they can be a song, they
can be whatever they need to be to get to an individual person
and make them understand. They can even, like the
Christians say, work in mysterious ways.
And that is the whole concept ofbeing a dark undercond of
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energy, as Anton Malay used to say about what Satan was.
It was a stark undercurrent of energy in the world.
And that dark undercurrent of energy works in different ways,
different mysterious ways. And so, yeah, we absolutely do
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the real Satan. But the best way to learn about
this, about what we do, about what real Satanism is, about
what the Satanic Julian Society is, is to go to our website.
It costs you nothing. You might be asked to sign up
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for our e-mail list, which I will randomly throw out new
emails to send out to anybody who signs up, which will have
promotionals for our upcoming books.
You can get links to upcoming copies of the quote and the
book. You can find back issues through
it. It's really interesting.
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So yeah. And you can even see upcoming
articles or events and make plans to possibly attend one of
our events. And that that's going to be one
of the big things that, you know, just go to our website,
get involved with us. The best way to learn about this
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is get involved with it. I will put links to everything
that you mentioned in the description of this video, as
well as the link to your YouTubechannel so everyone can find it.
Thank you so much for allowing me to interview you since you've
gone on your sabbatical. I really appreciate it.
I think that there's so much ground that we cover today in
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this very deep conversation thatpeople can take so much from.
To everyone that's watching, please go right now and buy a
Bad Moon and all of his other books as well.
I'll put links to that in the description of this video.
Lucifer Legawarden, thank you somuch for your time today.
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Did you have anything else that you wanted to say to people
before we go? STS is not fading away.
We are going to be changing someof our policies, some of our
membership rules will be changing.
It will sort of make things easier to support us, but also
might make it a little bit different and more difficult to
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become a member. But if you do become a member of
STS, you will find it much more rewarding than it was before.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Now. We're going to be doing a full
announcement in October and after we fully back open back
up, it'll be on the website. There's going to be a, there is,
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there's always been a membershipsection on the website where
people can look at that and that's going to be covering a
lot of that in the future. And, you know, I'm going to be
writing more books, you know, a lot more fiction books like
this. That's about all I can say is
aside from that, why don't you guys give good old Orly a little
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Hi everyone, welcome to today's show.
I have a guest with me today, author and Satanic priest and
founder of the Satanic Fulian Society Lucifer Like Vorden.
Hello and welcome to today's show.
Hey thanks, nice to be here. Absolutely.
I'm so glad to have you back on the channel again.
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I we were saying it's been abouta year since we did another show
together and I'm so excited to talk about your new book, which
is called A Bad Moon. And this book is really special
because so much of your work hasbeen grimoires and material on
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theistic Satanism and very serious occultism, and you have
once again decided to release this creative project aside from
your usual work. So I wanted to talk about the
significance of this today and also a bit about the book as
well for people to help inspire them in their spiritual paths,
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because there's so much that we can talk about.
So the first question that I have for you about the book is
what inspired you to explore werewolf folklore for a bad
moon? Well, I've been a student of the
occult for over 30 years, you know, and I've been a practicing
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Satanist for just about 20 yearsnow.
So, you know, I started practicing Satanism actively in
2006, I believe. And before then going all the
way back to 97, I was a an occultist.
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I grew up though, watching classic Hammer movies, American
Werewolf in London, The Howling,and so I grew up with this
wonderful classic genre, movie genre and respect for it, which
Satanism draws very heavily from.
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You may remember back in the 1960s and 70s, a lot of those
movies that inevitably inspired the Satanic to Panic drew very
heavily on the satanic iconography.
And I want to say a lot of thosemovies were both inspired by and
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inspired Anton Lavey in his personal aesthetic as well as
their own. And as we know, The Devil's
Reign was a movie that actually had Anton Lavey in it, along
with William Shatner, John Travolta, Ernest Burgess, and a
bunch of other really great actors.
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And Lavey, she designed all the Satanic sets for it.
I actually have a replica of thehelmet that he used in that
movie. And you know, whenever you watch
me in my rituals, you might notice on this little finger I
wear a very interesting ring andwhich is on the bookshelf behind
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me. And that's actually a ring that
was taken from a cast mold of one of Sir Christopher Lee's
Count Dracula rings that he worein the classic Hammer rooms.
And it comes with a certificate of often density and every.
So a lot of my occult studies was inspired by Classic Cinema.
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It's what really made me want toget into studying the occult.
And I want to say that it really, you know, inspired a lot
of my world's views once I was in the occult.
Of course, you know, I ate up literature ravenously about all
sorts of things, including cryptids, monsters, witchcraft,
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and, well, obviously Satanism. So one night my wife and I, we
were sitting down, we were watching a movie.
And the movie is Bad Moon, whichI don't know if you've ever
watched that movie, but it's a werewolf movie and it's one of
the better ones. And it's a really cute story
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about this guy who's a werewolf,and he goes to live with his
sister and his nephew to try to overcome the wearable curse.
Well, they have this dog named Thor, and he's this German
shepherd. And it's a story about how this
dog is trying to protect his family from werewolf.
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And it really got me thinking. It's like, OK, well, why do
werewolves do the things that they do?
What are some of the less understood elements of
lycanthropy in these movies? And I started looking at it from
an occultist point of view, as well as a person who might be
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interested in actually studying animal behavior.
So that's when I was like, all right, let's write a werewolf
story, a bad moon, and let's utilize this story to explore
some elements of the werewolf that we haven't explored them or
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some of their behaviors, some oftheir intricacies and why they
do it. And then I just was like, well,
do I want to tell it from the werewolf side or do I want to
tell it from the people side? And I was like, let's make it
like a classic movie. I want to write it so it's it's
sort of a creature feature. So the werewolf becomes the
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monster, but I also wanted to tell it something from the
werewolf side and so, well, you know how I did that.
Oh yeah, absolutely. And I thought it was really
successful in how you created the story and I enjoyed reading
it so much. I like I was saying in the
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review, I found it really refreshing to read an occult
informed Horror Story among all the more heavy material that
I've been studying for school and stuff like that.
So after years of writing occultnon fiction and grimoires, what
drew you to step more into the realm of fiction with this
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novel? I know you've been doing a lot
of things with your satanic organization and going through a
lot of personal growth as well, so I was wondering if that
affected your choice in doing this.
Well, yes and no. That definitely did affect some
of it. What it was is after I got done
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writing or rewriting my variation of Bible of Hulu,
which I'm still in the process of editing a final version, but
we have like a preliminary version already out that people
can still go get and it's still really good.
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I realized that I was burnt out on writing Satanic literature
because I had such a hard time writing that book and it in
order to get it done when I wanted to get it done because I
was already behind schedule on it.
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In order to get it done, I had to resort to various writing
methods that I really wasn't very fond of at the time.
And it showed me that I was completely burnt on writing
Satanic literature, on writing active non fiction, occult
literature, and that I needed totake a step back.
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And so I chose I, I was like, all right, I don't want to stop
writing. I just need to take a step back
and see, you know, maybe change how I'm doing things.
So I was like, all right, let metake a step back and try my hand
at non fiction again. And believe it or not, this is
not the first non fiction book Iwrote this year.
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I do have another non fiction book that is going that is
completely finished that's goingto be coming out in November.
And I was also before writing this, working on another project
that I also burned myself out on.
And I was like 6 chapters away from the end that I was, I, I
couldn't finish it. I had to change again.
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And so my wife told me, you know, want to write this work,
full story, Just go ahead and write it.
This is what came around. And so if you.
Yeah, you've seen it. If you look in in the back of
the book, there's this wonderfullittle.
Yeah. And I saw you were sharing
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online some of the artwork you had been working on for it as
well. Yes.
Yes, One Evil Christmas will be coming out in November, and, you
know, I'm looking forward to it.I had fun writing that.
It was a cute one, but again, it's sort of raw.
I was still trying to figure outmy writing, my new writing
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method to write nonfiction. And so it isn't quite perfect.
And you know, yeah. That's wonderful.
I find that in my own spiritual practice, it's so important to
do creative projects that are, yes, inspired by the spiritual
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work that I'm doing, but also just have a freedom to exist in
their own way, almost like the child of inspiration from
everything else that my brain has been going through.
And basically giving that as like a gem of inspiration to the
world. And that's why I thought that
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the situation of this work that you've created is so important
for other spiritual practitioners to think about and
learn from and to be inspired by.
Because not only is the story awesome and fun to read, but
also this idea of someone like yourself that has dedicated his
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life to discovering the unknown and, and pursuing the occult
mysteries. And, and not just that in a
vacuum, but in all your work of community service through what
you're doing to help other people in their paths, which is
always difficult for people thatare seeking in the darkness.
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And so this is really a lesson to a lot of people that just
because you might be burned out,it doesn't mean that you're
supposed to abandoned the thingsthat you love.
I've been. Asked numerous times, is STS
done? Is it closing?
Because as you know, last year we had a lot of problems.
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I went through a lot of problems.
I've openly admitted that I evenstarted slipping minorly into
heavy marijuana use. And unfortunately, I did a
interview and thankfully the interviewer didn't take that
interview. They let me redo the interview,
but I was high during the time because of all the stress that I
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was going under. And they let me redo the
interview when I wasn't. And I was really appreciative,
appreciative of that. And it showed me that there was
a lot of things that I was having personal problems with
that I needed to address. And so people, you know, in
October, we went on sabbatical. I showed the membership doors,
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numerous members left STS, but you know, and people ask me is
STS done? Is it closing?
Like no, it's not closing, but we are taking a break from it.
And I needed that break and that.
And this book came about partially because of that rate
that I was able to take it and refocus my energies that I
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needed to do that way, you know,when we do reopen, which we're
going to be doing in October, things will be a little bit
different. But we're going to be reopening
in October. And I can come back to it with a
fresh you and a fresh perspective and a new
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understanding and. Appreciation for it.
That's fantastic. I think it really helps to spark
that sense of wonderment as welland mystery that often can be
distracted from when when we're dealing with so much stuff that
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is very personal in regards to helping people in the work that
we do, right? Exactly.
And the thing that a lot of people need to remember is the
Satanists and occultists, priests and priestesses, we're
people too. We have lives outside of this,
families that we need to tend to.
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You know, you get a lot of people who come into this and
they go so rock hard into it that they seem to forget why
we're doing this, why we build templates in our homes, why we
have altars or why we write books on this.
We do this because we're trying to improve ourselves and part of
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improving ourselves is helping others improve themselves.
And you know, sometimes we need help as well.
And that's always going to be the major journey is you're
always trying to improve. You're trying to improve your
personal personality, your knowledge, your living
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situation, your health. There's always got to be
something that you're trying to improve.
You're trying to improve your personal skills on something.
It doesn't matter what. And sometimes life gets in the
way of that. And that's when we come in as
clergy to help people out in whatever way that we can.
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And it doesn't matter if they'rea Satanist or not.
You know, we take vows to do exactly that.
Yeah, exactly. And that really goes into the
overall principles of your organization, the Satanic
Thulian Society, you know of developing the the Ultima Thul,
right? Exactly, exactly.
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You're always trying to reach your highest self, and that's
exactly what Thul, or today, as some people might say, needs.
I remember how you and I first met that was a little bit of a
bit of contention, but because of you, I wrote this wonderful
article that's actually on the website that kind of goes into
explaining the history of the word fool.
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And you know how it's, you know,a lot of people, they
misunderstand it as being just simply tied to the Nazis, but
it's not. It's much older and people, if
they read their Dante's Inferno,they know the character Virgil.
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And Virgil was a real person about 2000 years ago and she
coined the term ultimate dual, meaning farthest dual and fool
was this island way to the north.
It was meant to be the ultimate goal of trying to reach that
highest, furthest travelable point.
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That's what ultimately needs to go as far as you can and then
keep going. Yeah, that's so amazing and
inspiring for people because most people haven't been
invested in the occult for as long as you.
So they don't realize like the consequences of the energies
that you put forward or how overall your life will go through
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some kind of alchemical transformation if you have a
real spiritual practice. And it's not always just going
to be the obvious things. You know, getting involved with
Satanism on a social level can make you a bit of a pariah if
you're not careful. And you know, that's another
thing that a lot of people don'tunderstand.
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So when you get into this, you know, you and I, we've been in
it long enough, we understand onthe price it takes on our lives
and those people around us for simply being involved with us.
And we're good with that. We've made peace with that.
But a lot of people aren't. And that's one of the things
that we we tried to tell people.And I think that people should
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know it more, you know, that we should tell people more that,
hey there, you know, it's great to get involved with this, but
think about how it is for your social life and where you want
to go. This may not be the right path
for you to achieve that. And, you know, I see so many
people, they have, they're struggling, they have so many
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hardships and struggles. And I, I, I want to tell them,
you know, this is what you're doing wrong.
You need to change this. You need to change how you speak
or approach things. And no matter what you do, then
things will go better for you. But half the time, you know, I
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can't. I can't.
And I've got to let them find that out.
Trump will change themselves because if I intervene, it's
going to contradict where they're going.
They're like. The werewolf goes through a
whole transformation process, right?
So just like a person getting involved into the unknown and
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contacting this primal force that is magic, it can do so many
things to a person. And I think that is really
interesting in your choice of this story and and your
background in esoteric studies. Ellie Granger, the main
character of my book, she undergoes that change in the
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book. And it's a really interesting
thing to see because as you know, in the beginning of the
book, she's gone through some really bad things over the
course of the year before the book happens.
And she's, you know, I'm not going to give away any parts of
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the book for people. Throughout the course of the
book you go from this beaten down girl to happening to come
to grips not only with the things that have happened to
her, but what is going on aroundher and what her future might
be. Exactly.
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And and that's the cool part about the transformation aspect
of the werewolf. Did you did you find that in in
your pursuit of writing this book?
And I know this is just the first in a series too, which is
pretty cool. Did you find that it reflected
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your own personal transformationfrom your gnosis of the occult?
I want to say so, you know, I never really thought about it.
But yeah, you know, looking backon it, when I first started
really getting into the Echo, I started just as this nine kid
who one day, you know, one day had an incident myself.
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And I've shown people the scars on the side of my head.
I was bitten by a Great Dane andI was DOA for 20 minutes.
I've told people this story before and when I came back, you
know, because they were pronouncing me dead, they were
giving up on me. And I came back, I, I'd seen
some shit and it changed my perspective and it set me out on
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this whole path of religious study because I wanted to
understand what I saw while I was dead.
And that changed everything. So in a weird way, it was pretty
ironic because at during the incident where I was bitten by
the dog, I remember, you know, freaking out and screaming.
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You know, I can't remember if I was screaming.
I think I was screaming at my grandmother and my mom, my
adoptive mother. But I'm a werewolf now and I'm
going to change. Oh wow, so you had really had
like a direct personal experience that you can tie into
this? Well, I was just a little boy.
I was about 7-8 years old, something like that, and I had
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just been bitten by a Great Dane.
So they're huge. To a child, they're like a
horse. They're huge to an adult and
this is a fully grown Great Dane.
Her name was Kelly Girl. She was my grandmother's dog and
her and I had grown up together.Well, she had just recently been
hit by a car and so she was soreand we're in the my
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grandmother's kitchen and I had my shoes on and I didn't realize
that her paw was sore. And I touched her sore paw and
she yelled. And you know how a dog yelps
when they when something touchesa tender spot, like or something
really sore, they snap at whatever's causing them pain?
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Well, she didn't mean to, but she snapped and yelled and my
head was in the way. And so, you know, a dog in pain
kids head, not a good combination.
Great Danes have these great big, huge old heads and these
big jaws. So it was, it was literally like
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getting mocked by a werewolf. So the irony was that yes, in a
strange way, due to it by my entire life.
Yeah, and then you went through this whole process too, of
coming into your own power through pursuing these darker
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mysteries. Yes.
And, you know, learning about myself, I want to say the true
source of my power came from learning about myself and
learning what I could and couldn't do.
Coming to grips in terms with both the positive elements of
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myself and the most monstrous elements of my stuff that we all
have. That those monstrous elements
that are so horrific that we know we're fully capable of,
that we will never talk about toanybody else, that we will never
talk about openly to anyone. Even if they ask, even if they
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are some of the most trusted people in the world, we just
will never talk about most people.
They bury that monster inside ofthem and they never, they put it
in a little tiny box in their head and they never opened the
box. Well, I found one of the things
that in order to truly come to understand yourself is you've
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got to open that box and you've got to face that monster of
yourself. And once you can come to grips
with that, once you can face that and admit it to yourself,
you never have to talk about it to anybody else.
But as long as you can admit it to yourself, you can control it.
You can then put that box back. You could put an extra lock on
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it because you now understand what it is and you can now turn
that evil to your benefit and become the best version of
yourself. And I think the werewolf is a
wonderful example of that transformation.
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You know, the vampire is anotherone as well.
And I think that's why vampires and werewolves, they are some of
our favorite monsters, because we see that these are creatures
in folklore that represent the most monstrous elements of
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humanity, the bestial nature, and the absolute pure sadist,
and that they just consume and destroy everything around them.
But they can also create and become something above humanity.
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And I think that's one of the other reasons why we like these
monsters so much, why we love wear rules because and vampires
because they inspire us to become more than ourselves by
confronting that evil within us.Yeah, that's so true, brother.
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Like when you speak of this, those are the real keys to
mastering black magic and the dark arts.
It's not about finding the fucked up things inside of us
and becoming insane from it. It's about realizing those
things are there and creating analchemical change within
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ourselves to integrate those aspects so they don't control
us, but we can use them in beautiful ways.
Just like you have done this creative work.
And I think that's so helpful for anybody that's on this path
to understand, like figure out what is your creative outlet?
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Maybe you don't like writing like Lucifer does.
Maybe you don't like painting like I do, but maybe you like
something else. Like any kind of creative outlet
is literally how. Everybody here to have that
creativity in them. Exactly it can be.
It can be working on cars. It can be.
Yeah. That's so true.
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You know, it could be gardening,it could be animal care, you
know, as you know, I have my dogin here with me, he said.
She's she's being a lazy bum on the floor.
But you know, there's all these different avenues of creativity.
We are not locked into just simply doing artwork.
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And there's certain parts of doing artwork that we're not
going to be good at. And that's perfectly OK because
we're going to find strength in other elements of it.
And it's about finding what we aren't good at and be it
writing, be it painting, be it whatever we can figure out other
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things to make up or our weaknesses for those weak parts
of our artistic nature or creativity, or as we like to
call it in STS, the black flame.Because that's exactly what the
black flame is. It's the fire of creativity and
magic in US. How does imaginative creative
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work like your fiction writing demonstrate A deeper connection
to the demonic and infernal currents that you explore in
your own spiritual practice and and teachings?
Well, like I said before, I burned myself out on writing
books like the Testament. I burned myself out on that.
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But I still love Satanism. I still love the darks, the dark
arts. And I was like, how can I
continue to teach people about this when I'm currently burned
out on writing straight up literature?
And I was like, you know, some of the best things that inspired
me was fiction. You know, looking at watching
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Christopher Lee and Bella Lugosi, Peter Cushing Servant
surprise all these people, you know, these old time movie
actors who portrayed this in in their movies.
That was inspiration. Why can't I create stories that
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do the same thing? Why can't I write a book or
various books, who just through the simple actions of the
characters and the process of the story, teach the
fundamentals of what Satanism is, to apply it in a real
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situation, even if that situation is a fantastical
fantasy situation, like being chased through the Cherokee
National Forest by a werewolf? Why can't I apply those lessons
and apply it to my characters? So when people read the book,
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they can see how these lessons can be applied to their
day-to-day life through these characters, through Ellie,
through Chena, they can see the downfalls of like Jess and Mark.
And ultimately they can see whatreal evil looks like through
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David. They can see what real goodness
and kindness looks like through Jared.
You know, You think about it, Jared Patchy know exactly what
was going on. There's no way he could miss it.
It was obvious he knew, and yet he didn't show one bit of hatred
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towards them. He didn't show one iota of in
spiritedness. He accepted them.
He opened up his door, fed them,gave them warm clothes when he
didn't have to. He could have turned that rifle
right over onto them and ended it.
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There really been nothing that they could have done.
Yeah, the books have what I liketo think of as, and you had
mentioned to me as well like to when I was reading it, to be
aware of the various themes thatyou teach in your order.
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And I really like that because you explore principles of what I
like to think of as real theistic Satanism, which is
about helping people, which is about empowering people, not
harming children, and all these other values that overall will
fundamentally help the world andpeople if they actually think
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about them and not fear the things that people don't want to
pay attention to. Because that's a big that's a
big part of the problems, right?Exactly, exactly.
You know, Satanism, it teaches you to take responsibility for
your own actions and inactions. When we look at everything that
Ellie went through, we realized that it was all her own actions
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and inactions that caused her problems.
And she understood that. She didn't shy away from that
responsibility. And it wasn't easy.
It wasn't it wasn't nice. It was very painful for her, but
would you say in the end of the book she was rewarded for it?
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Because she took a head on
approach of realizing the mistakes that she had made.
That's what caused her to change.
And how? By by understanding those
mistakes, yeah. And then I change too, right?
Yeah, exactly. I change thanks to your help and
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learning from you like that is. So important to know.
I remember you looking at me. You know, we were having a video
conversation just like this. And I remember you looking at me
and you're like, what can I do? You know, I, you know, I've hurt
myself so much, what can I do? And I gave you so many
recommendations and you took them.
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You took them all, even right down to stopping and plucking
your eyebrows and letting them grow back in you.
You were like, they'll never grow back in.
They'll they did well. There's kind of there is a
little eyeshadow on them that's filling them in, but they are
there. Now.
They're just very fair because like my hair, my natural hair
color is pretty light, so you can't see them that well.
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But but yeah, like, and I just feel better thanks to your
honest advice to me and also just from learning the things
that you teach people. The most important step in all
of that, in your personal transformation, just like with
Elliot, hers, you getting lie toyourself anymore.
You didn't hide from the mistakes you had made.
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She doesn't hide from the mistakes she's made.
You accepted that responsibility, and you took the
initiator by accepting that responsibility to change the
course of your law. So when you were writing the
book, did you have any new dimensions about darkness and
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your beliefs about darkness and transformation while you were
writing the book? No, not so much in the
metaphysical sense when I was writing the book and I was, and
I'm still in that developmental phase of changing my writing
style, as you noted before I wasbefore I was an occult non
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fiction author and now I'm writing a cult fiction.
I'd call it horror fiction half the time and sometimes a little
bit of mystery. I found that it wasn't so much
the magical element of me discovering anything new
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magically. I didn't do any real magical
growth, so to speak, in the sense of doing ritual or
anything like that. Where I grew was in my personal
skills at being an author, at being an editor, at being a
publisher. And I actually have the
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hardcover version with me as well.
But if you're an author and you're writing a picture, one of
the best habits to do, and this is what I wasn't doing and I
should have been doing, is when you get in your hard copies your
your pre published hard copies. Read through it and keep a pen
and paper with you and any minorlittle mess up.
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You write down the chapter, the page number and what the mess up
is and what you need to do to correct it.
Like the Satanic testament. If you look at the Satanic
Testament, you'll notice that I have a ragged line on this side.
This is just an editor editing part.
I didn't know how to correct thebig gaps with justified text.
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Now I do. So it's like when you read the
new book and I can show you thisone.
This is part of the growth that I did.
So I'm actually goes to your question.
When you look at the new book, you'll notice that unlike the
Satanic Testament, the text is fully justified.
No super huge gapping really. And it looks really good.
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That was part of my personal growth is I never really
justified my texts. I didn't understand that.
And that goes to partially to learning to be creative in a
way, challenging yourself in your creative process, just like
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with me trying to develop new habits with my writing process.
One of the things that I never used to do is I never used to
write a story outline or a storyskeleton.
I used to be a discovery writer.You know, I just go off on a
tangent and, you know, see whereit takes me.
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And that worked great with the Testament because I could focus
each chapter on a specific subject.
But it doesn't really. And some authors can do it.
You can do discovery writing with fiction One Evil Christmas.
It's all discovery written it itis 100% discovery written.
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But I found like with a bad moon, a bad moon is completely
structured. I wrote out a skeleton, I wrote
out a full story, Bible, character profiles, I I plotted
the whole book out as best as I could and I found that it was
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much better. I want to continue to teach
people about Satanism even if I'm not writing non fiction and
I'm writing fiction. If you read these books that I'm
writing now, you can see the Satanic lessons applying to the
characters through their faults and their strengths.
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And before I wouldn't have been able to do that.
That's why I thought this was project was just so cool.
Sorry to interrupt you. I just, This is why I wanted to
feature you on the channel because I think this is so
important for people to witness,like how you put all of this
together, your discovery processand why you chose to do this.
Because I think it's so unique in a creative project that's
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still teaching people about Satanism and your message, but
in a way that also helps inspirepeople on how how can they
create something artistic with those same messages.
Yeah, and that, that's the thing.
We see so many books coming out on Satanism, and some of them
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are really good. I got a whole library shelf
behind me filled with books on Satanism.
I've got books by Anton Lavey, Michael Aquino.
I've got books by authors who are just not around anymore.
Some of these books are really great books.
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Some of them are not very good at all.
But The thing is, that doesn't mean that the Satanist who wrote
it was bad, just that they didn't have the right medium and
to be able, you know, if you want to write a book and say
you're a good fiction author. You don't need to write a book
like this. You can write a book like this
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and achieve all the things that you did with this.
Look at L Ron Hubbard with Scientology.
He was a science fiction writer.A lot of the lessons that he
applied to Scientology, he taught through his fiction
stories just as much as we did through his Scientology books.
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And that was one of the things that I've chosen to do with my
fiction writing is I want to achieve the same thing.
As a matter of fact, because of the fiction writing, you can 0IN
on a very specific life lesson that can have such a far
reaching effect into other avenues.
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You don't have to have your characters standing in front of
a satanic altar to teach those lessons.
I mean, you could if that's partof your story or you could have
them fighting Medusa. You can have your characters not
even be Satanists when you read a a bad moon.
None of the characters in this book are Satanists.
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They're not devil worshippers. They're normal kids.
They're normal people with normal lives.
Ellie herself is a Christian, technically, you know, and the
upcoming sequel, you learn that the Tina character, her parents
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are Methodist, and there's othercharacters who have other
religions in the upcoming book, in the whole upcoming series,
but yet they're still applying Satanic principles.
You don't need to be a Satanist to apply our principles to your
life and be successful. And these characters, they're
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not technically Satanist, but they're still find Satanic
principle and philosophy. Yeah, I thought it was very,
very successful. So for spiritual people that are
committed to the Left Hand Path and its philosophies, why do you
believe that it's vital to have creative projects beyond just
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them doing rituals? Well it's mostly to help avoid
the situation that I went through.
I had been going so hard to my Satanism as people can see just
from where I'm sitting and if they watch my ritual videos.
I built my own temple in my house I had.
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I'm currently sitting in a room with a 12 foot ceiling with a
dragon chandelier above my head.The whole room is completely
painted black and red and is dedicated to Satanism.
I went balls to the wall in Satanism for the better part of
a decade, 8 years at least, eventhough STS hasn't been out for
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eight years. We were going to be coming up on
our sixth year this October, buteven before then I went balls to
the wall was Satanism. We had a meet up group up in
Maryland. We had people coming over and I
completely dedicated myself to Satanism and satanic writing and
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just going completely all in on it so far that I eventually
burned myself out. And burnout is not fun.
It can be scary. You PD left questioning your own
faith and everything because youget so tired of it that it
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becomes very meaningless to you.Me personally, I love doing
ritual. I love doing our monthly high
masses. They are very important to me
and I find that a lot of other people enjoy them as well.
Because no one else was doing it.
No one else was doing live satanic rituals or people to get
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involved. And I love doing it, but I was
losing my enthusiasm for it. They were coming to me as empty
and hollow even as I was readingwords and I that hurt.
And so having these creative projects, being able to step
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away out of this satanic sphere that we encase ourselves in
outside of this dark metaphysical sphere, having
these projects like this, just asimple creative project that you
can have fun with that helps keep that fire in you alive to
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do all this. Because this, what we do here is
only one part of our lives. And that's something that I
think most Christians actually get right.
You can be a, you're a sickness 24/7.
You have a religion 24/7. It's not something you can turn
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on and off by a light switch. We use these philosophies to
help guide us through life and interpret our world, but this is
not our entire lives. It cannot.
This is only one element of our lives.
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And by having these other outside projects, having these
other outside things makes all of this much more enjoyable and
fulfilling in here. So when you have a creative
project, you're painting, writing a book, be writing a
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picture book, even just picking up and reading up a fiction book
or playing a video game. Having a passion project that
has nothing to do with the occult, that has nothing to do
with your religion or anything outwardly will help you build
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yourself to your religion, help marry you to it all the more
because then you could step intoyour virtual chamber.
You can pick up your sacred book, your groom warms and you
can feel that weight you can feel that joy in.
For me, I haven't stopped doing my monthly high masses, even
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though I'm in sabbatic still until October.
So we still have a few months left.
But going into sabbatical, stepping away from most of this
for 90% of my life, not answering as many questions
about Satanism, not talking about it as much and focusing on
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creative projects. Personally, getting into fiction
writing and having fun with it. I found that I'm enjoying my
monthly high masses more and I am having fun with it.
Occasionally we get Christian haters who come into the rooms
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and they're causing trouble and we have people who still bounce
them out and everything. But even then, I have fun with
them. I enjoy their presence, even
though they're talking some of the most hateful vitriol.
Anybody who watches my eye masses know that I can't see it.
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It's not affecting me because I turned the camera around.
So I got Diana off in the cornerhere who's monitoring
everything. I got other people on other
computers who work as our security who's monitoring
everything, and they're seeing it.
I'm not. They're just bouncing them out.
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And even when they're not there,the people who are there, they
eventually realize that they're not achieving anything and they
leave. And we still have a wonderful
fun, sometimes laughter filled ritual.
And it's really interesting because you have these satanic
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rituals and you know how we get,we can get really like fire and
brimstone in them, but then we can break and just start
cracking up laughing and it's really wonderful.
And that brings the enjoyment ofthe religion back to us.
And we can talk, you know, even after the ritual or the board
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ritual, we can talk about our bit of passion projects because
ultimately that is what we live life for, is that passion, that
love of living. And if we can't have fun
projects like this for me or your painting or whatnot, then
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what's the point of it all? What would be the point of all
if we couldn't enjoy our religion, why are we practicing
it? If I wasn't enjoying Satanism
anymore, why would I keep doing Satanic stuff?
And we see people like Marie Ravensall on Remember Her.
She went through a burnout phaseand she didn't tell anybody
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about it. And she went through a hard
conversion to Christianity. She took down all of her books
online. She stopped dressing gothic and
everything. She went through a whole
transformation. I'm not sure it's exactly
healthy for her. I hope it is.
I hope for the best for her. And I could end up going through
what Maria Ravenson did were, you know, complete religious
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converting. I wouldn't have converted to
Christianity. I would have still been Pagan.
I might have gone to Norse paganism or back to Wicca.
But you know, I didn't want to do that because I love Satanism
so much. I love being a Levaean.
I love all the effort that we put into this house, even though
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this house still needs a lot of work.
This room, you know, I put so much heart and soul into it to
bring to people, to allow peopleto come here and experience the
magic of it all for themselves. And if I couldn't do that
anymore, if it would have brokenmy heart, it would have
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absolutely just crushed. And I was so thankful that I was
able to fix that about myself, to take a step away.
And yes, STS did suffer serious losses.
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Yes, we had a lot of people lead, a lot of high-ranking
members lead. And yes, we are going to be
undergoing a change that is not going to be the same STS it was
before. But hopefully because of that
change, it's going to be a better STS because the people
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who are going to be involved with it, I'm hoping will be much
more actively involved and will be able to enjoy themselves and
enjoy what we do. I definitely know that there's
probably a lot of people that watch my channel that would be
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interested in learning more about the Satanic Thulian
Society and the other work that you do, So what would be the
best way for people to pursue that?
Well, right now, because we are still sabbatical, the best two
ways to do it is to buy a The Satanic Testament and the
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subsequent books The Black Room War and Red Room War as well as
the Satanic Priest top secret menu.
These books are the best way andif you want to pick up the Bible
Cthulhu for our Cthulian element, you can go ahead and do
that. The other way is to look on our
website and read up on the website.
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Currently I'm off and on trying to do edits to the website.
Unfortunately, due to finances, I've had to take down the old
Cult Cthulhu website that I was running and we're merging that
onto the STS website. So the STS website is going to
be like my central hub page where it's going to have
(53:11):
everything. It's going to have my author
profile, my author page, it's going to have the Cult Cthulhu
stuff, it's going to have any ofour other sub genres of
Satanism, like a vampirism, Setianism, SIP ISM, as well as
the Levan stuff, the Kakulian stuff.
It's all going to be on the STS website and in its own little
(53:35):
section. So I'm currently slowly working
that in because I've been so focused on writing, I haven't
really sat down fully to do to focus on editing the website.
But that all being said, the website is a really powerful
tool. It is a really good, solid place
(53:56):
to be. One of the big things that I
remember was the old Church of Satan website where it just had
a massive amount of information compared to how the Church of
Satan website used to be when itwas just a basic HTML site with
the button column on the side and it was just, it was very
(54:16):
rudimentary. The amount of information that
it had was absolutely stunning. And if you knew how to operate
that website, you could pretty much understand the entire
church Satan beliefs from that website.
We're obviously not atheists. We do believe in a very real
(54:37):
Satan. We believe it in the same way
that Anton Lavey actually did. Contrary to popular belief, he
was not an atheist and he actually stated so numerous
times. He went on the Joe Pyne show and
everything. He just didn't believe in an
anthropomorphic state and neither do we.
We believe in a transmutable state.
(54:57):
So that's a whole thing that if you're really interested in it,
you gotta, you can read the books.
You can read the website and youcan understand what is
transmutable versus what is anthropomorphic and why is that
such a a very critical detail. And when you understand that and
you realize oh wait, Anton Laveyflat out said even in the
(55:21):
Satanic Bible, which is right behind me, the 1st chapter of
Anton Lavey's book. Let me pull it up.
The very first words in the veryfirst chapter chapter in the
book of Lucifer and it's in thischapter wanted God dead or alive
(55:43):
on page 40. This is what Anton Lebay says
and I want people to pay attention to it.
It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not
believe in God. Notice he said misconception
that they don't believe in God, which means they absolutely do
believe in God. That is the literally the very
(56:06):
first sentence. The very first sentence, and we
take that to heart. Anton La Vey went on the Joe
Pine show and he flat out said he absolutely believed God
exists. Then he went on to explain how
that was. Well, once you actually break it
down, you realize Anton Valet didn't have a word for that.
(56:27):
He didn't understand that the word was transmutable, and so he
just expressed we just don't believe in an anthropomorphic
God or an anthropomorphic Satan,which is 100% correct.
It's not to say that Satan or God can't take on an
anthropomorphic form if necessary, but they can also
(56:50):
just be a written word, a story,a book, they can be a song, they
can be whatever they need to be to get to an individual person
and make them understand. They can even, like the
Christians say, work in mysterious ways.
And that is the whole concept ofbeing a dark undercond of
(57:13):
energy, as Anton Malay used to say about what Satan was.
It was a stark undercurrent of energy in the world.
And that dark undercurrent of energy works in different ways,
different mysterious ways. And so, yeah, we absolutely do
(57:33):
the real Satan. But the best way to learn about
this, about what we do, about what real Satanism is, about
what the Satanic Julian Society is, is to go to our website.
It costs you nothing. You might be asked to sign up
(57:55):
for our e-mail list, which I will randomly throw out new
emails to send out to anybody who signs up, which will have
promotionals for our upcoming books.
You can get links to upcoming copies of the quote and the
book. You can find back issues through
it. It's really interesting.
(58:17):
So yeah. And you can even see upcoming
articles or events and make plans to possibly attend one of
our events. And that that's going to be one
of the big things that, you know, just go to our website,
get involved with us. The best way to learn about this
(58:38):
is get involved with it. I will put links to everything
that you mentioned in the description of this video, as
well as the link to your YouTubechannel so everyone can find it.
Thank you so much for allowing me to interview you since you've
gone on your sabbatical. I really appreciate it.
I think that there's so much ground that we cover today in
(59:01):
this very deep conversation thatpeople can take so much from.
To everyone that's watching, please go right now and buy a
Bad Moon and all of his other books as well.
I'll put links to that in the description of this video.
Lucifer Legawarden, thank you somuch for your time today.
(59:21):
Did you have anything else that you wanted to say to people
before we go? STS is not fading away.
We are going to be changing someof our policies, some of our
membership rules will be changing.
It will sort of make things easier to support us, but also
might make it a little bit different and more difficult to
(59:44):
become a member. But if you do become a member of
STS, you will find it much more rewarding than it was before.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Now. We're going to be doing a full
announcement in October and after we fully back open back
up, it'll be on the website. There's going to be a, there is,
(01:00:07):
there's always been a membershipsection on the website where
people can look at that and that's going to be covering a
lot of that in the future. And, you know, I'm going to be
writing more books, you know, a lot more fiction books like
this. That's about all I can say is
aside from that, why don't you guys give good old Orly a little
(01:00:31):
bit of a rate and a review? Thank you.
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