Cosmos & Evolution | Brett Keane, AtheistJr , ProverbsGuys Ministries - GodTvRadio | The Brett Keane Show

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Another morning, same way. Bare feet are called floor.
Hope comes late. Happy silence fills the room.
Deep good the clock. I feel consumed.
Be burns white tongue, but I still sit mirror in the hallway.
I barely exist, super tired, fake smile in the background.

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Out smile, phone buzzing head and hands, unread messages,
broken plans, pressure pressed on every breath.
Maybe I'm just not enough yet. I look out the window, nothing's
clear. All these expectations ring in

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my ear to me. Doesn't ever get easy.
Is there peace on the other side?
How much me do I give away before I disappear inside?
Tell me how much more I've got to carry.

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Is there it somewhere I can't see?
Am I supposed to bend until I break down, or is that space
left just for me? Tell me how much more I got to
carry. Repeat the question.
Waiting to be free. Make this sunburn cold within.

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Waiting for a start that doesn'tbegin.
Smiles and passing. That's where small talk house
was really there Hands in power.I can told him tight to all I
couldn't say last night. Take a number, wait a nine wish

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you my words against the time I feel the way slow me down Still
searching for higher ground quiet moments hard to find.
Still I carry what's not mine. Tell me does it ever get easy?

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Is there? It's on the other side.
How much will you do I give awaybefore I disappear inside?
Tell me how much more I gotta carry.
Is it? If someone I can't see, am I

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supposed to bend until I break down or is there space left just
for me? Tell me how much more.
Got it Carrie, repeat the question waiting to be free.
Let me drunk but swaying me downand breathe with the sound.

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I'm tired of running place when just the taste of the grave.
You'll have to hold it off. But if I just let it fall for me
when you really know. Well, hello, ladies and

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gentlemen. My name is Brett Keene from GOD
TV Radio. I hope you're all having a
wonderful day. For some reason, somebody's
camera isn't coming up. Hold on a second.
Let me see what's going on here.Why is it doing that?
We'll just go to stream and see if that works.

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There we go. All right.
Yeah, I think you guys would be able to.
OK, There's Proverbs. Yeah.
You got to turn the camera man again.
This is GOD TV Radio. I sure missed the final
countdown intro. Looks like we got Atheist Junior
in the back. Are we ready for some good
discussion? OK.
Absolutely. All right, so let's see, is he

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showing up? Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you. Let me see if I can, what can I
do to make it to where everybodyshows up?
It's been a while and they really changed the UI on this.
Let me see how can I let me get this.

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Let me see if I can drag him into the place are.
You on obs? Yeah, I'm using OBS through the
virtual camera thing through this, but it's not putting.
I wanted you guys to all appear on the screen well.
You could add a browser window. Some kind of edit layoff?

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Yeah. Yeah, and that would.
Yes, they totally change this around.
You know, I was away for almost a year and a half and I come
back and this thing's all dark looking.
It's crazy. Let me see.
You are able to be heard. Can people hear Mr. Junior Type
1? If you can hear Mr. Junior.

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I hear him. All right, I'll figure this out
while we're talking and blabbingand all that.
I apologize. I probably should have came in
much earlier and tried to resolve this, but I thought we
were going to do it over. It's yours.
Steven, if you guys are wondering why we didn't do it on
Stevens, because Junior said he was open for the day.
He said he wanted to do things. When I went over to Stevens

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thing, Stevens got like 10 broadcast he's getting ready to
do and he's got dated and I thought, my goodness, if I asked
him to do it over there, he's going to have to stop his buddy
from doing his broadcast, Steventold me.
Because I'm such a sexy person, he would have shot them all down
for me. But it is what it does, what you
got on me, Steven. I mean, I don't remember

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specifically the language because you're such a sexy
person, but you are a good friend of mine.
So yeah, we would have shifted some things around.
I'm excited for the conversation.
I think it's going to be really good.
And I'm glad that AJ came by to talk to you.
So thank you, AJ. Yeah, we appreciate you coming
in and we are had totally planning on having a respectful

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decent conversation. And like I said in my video, I
don't look at the baits and discussions of some kind of win
or lose. Unless you walk away with an
open mind and you believe in thepossibility of God, or at least
you you consider it and it leaves you thinking and all
that, then I feel like there's alittle bit of a win.
But that's between you and God on that issue.

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Making each other look like idiots.
That's not my my Forte. Some people might get off from
that. That doesn't do nothing for me.
I've already been through too many debates.
Just want to be able to help people you understand.
Makes sense? All right.
So you said you wanted to defendevolution.
You're the one that initiated that.

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I didn't call you out on that. Last time we talked, we seemed
like we were getting along OK. We were having a fair
discussion. There was some mockery.
You had said something about being related to a banana and
that you were part ape and all that, so people were goofing on
ya. I apologize for that.
If no matter what he says, do not laugh and if you feel the

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need to laugh, please mute your mic and keep it to yourself.
All right, folks. Well, I, I know that sometimes
the things don't seem intuitively true with the claims
of evolution and, and some people do find it very like
ridiculous or incredulous, but you know, not things don't

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always align with our, with our common sense and our intuition
in science. And so sometimes things that
seem like they should be obviousor seem like they were wrong
might actually come down to be true.
Like people thought the Earth was flat because if you go out
and look at the horizon, it, it looks flat, but you have to get

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up to a higher elevation to see the curve.
You have to get more informationand increase your your viewpoint
of the world and get and you cansee that it's actually curved
so. Right, I get done.
Now. That's one of the reasons I
suspect we have a bunch of theseflat earthers out here and why
they used to come into my room and try to convince me that I

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was stupid. Because the earth is shaped.
I get you. If you don't mind, I am more
than happy to get into a discussion about evolution, but
I'd like to. I believe that you are
intelligent enough where you could also probably hit the
subject of the cosmos in a little bit about the universe
first. Can we start with the universe
and then work our way into evolution?

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If that's cool. Sure.
All right. Do you believe that the universe
is logical and rational? I, I think that the universe has
laws of physics and fundamental forces that are pretty set in
stone and well understood. I, I do, I think that the

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universe is a chaotic and uncaring sort of void.
There's like, if you go out any,anywhere outside of our, our
planet, you would suffocate in space, you know what I mean?
And for like thousands of light years in every direction,
there's a lot of nothingness, you know what I mean?
So the universe seems like it's very chaotic out there and

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dangerous. But, you know, we happen to live
on a planet that's able to have liquid water and support life.
And we're, you know, in a good distance from the sun.
So I guess we we lucked out in that sense.
But yeah, I I would say that it what what was, what did you say?
Is the universe orderly like? Well, like logical and rational,

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like mathematically organized orset up in such a way.
See, I will presuppose that's the word I'm going to use here,
that the universe does have someform of order to it.
And the reason why I say that isI believe that scientists
wouldn't be able to accurately study the universe if it was
constantly shifting the in and out of patterns that we couldn't

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study. You understand?
I mean, if you were growing 5 legs every 5 seconds, it'd be
damn hard, Bill, study your anatomy because of that process,
especially if you were billions of light years in expansion.
You agree? Right.
I, I, I do think that that wouldbe difficult.
But The thing is, is that there are, you know, parameters in the

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universe, like there is a certain speed of light that
anything that has masks can't seem to go faster than.
And there is the laws of physicsand the, the way that they're
set, they're, they're all very particular.
But I do think that possibly if condition, the early conditions

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have been different than maybe the speed of light would be
different than it is, or some ofthese parameters would not be
the same as as they are. But some of these things are
changing, like for example, likethe the universe is expanding,
but the rate of expansion is increasing.
So that's not set in stone. That's an argument I use against

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the fine tuning argument that, you know, I mentioned sort of
the Goldilocks zone that the Earth is in.
Because people will bring up that up as an example of the
fine tuning argument that reallythe there's a very large, you
know, range that the Earth couldbe in terms of being closer or
farther away from the sun and itwould still be, I think, not too

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hot or too cold. But we see parameters like the
expansion rate of the universe are changing.
So not everything is a set parameter when it comes to the
universe. We got somebody in the room in
the backstage called Frank K Does anybody know who he is?
He's not showing himself on camera.

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And you know me, as much as I like a a beautiful woman or some
kind of wonderful imagery, I don't want it on the terms of
service guidelines of YouTube. So does anybody know Frank at
all? No one I know I don't.
Think so. OK, Frank, unless you show
yourself on camera and give me the middle finger, I'm not going

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to be able to know you're a sentient human being.
Just turn the camera real quick.Give me the middle finger and
one of those goofy smiles that we all love and adore, and then
I'll I'll let you up. I'll give you an opportunity.
All right, so now we haven't been outside of the Milky Way of
the universe. Do you?
Are you the type of person that assumes that the universe acts

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all in the same way as our Galaxy does?
Is it possible that we can go into a pocket of the universe
where things are completely different in the physics and
gravity and all this? Or do you think that it's
absolutely the same from the origin of the universe?
Yeah, I, I don't think that in our observable universe, I don't

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think you could travel any long enough distance to where
suddenly the fundamental laws ofthe universe would change.
I feel like you'd have to, you'dhave to subscribe to like a
multiverse theory to, to see something like that where you'd
have to travel to an alternate universe where things were
different because the initial conditions were, were different
when that universe, you know, formed or, or whatever.

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Why wouldn't you subscribe to a multi universe for if the our
universe can construct itself without a prime mover or
independent force or mind then surely this should be able to
happen more than once. What's your thoughts on that?
Well, I don't really tend. I don't really claim to know
whether or not the universe had a beginning point or if it could

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be eternal. I, I don't, I don't think I have
enough information or, or enoughknowledge to really confidently
claim that I can say for sure. I do think that the idea of a
multiverse is, is certainly interesting and I would like to
think that it's real. But yeah, and and the idea of

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something making itself, I've always kind of struggled with
that because for something to make itself, it's almost as this
it would have to pre exist its own, it would have to exist
before it existed in order to make itself.
So it's kind of seems like a sort of causality loop, almost
like a predestination paradox. Yeah, I too have a difficult
time being able to rationalize that.

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How about it simply came into existence based upon whatever
components? Does that sound better?
Or do you have another way that you think it should be
expressed? I, I, I think that it it's
possible that the universe simply existed in a different
state than it is than how it exists now, and it's an

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unrecognizable state to how we see our universe now and.
So are you saying that there waslike an ancient form of the
universe that existed before what it what scientists refer to
as The Big Bang? Like there was some kind of
there was something there, but then it somehow became more

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complex and became the universe that is ours now.
Well, if you've heard of the, the, the sort of alternative
hypothesis to The Big Bang that were proposed and then the sort
of eventually thrown out like the Big Crunch, the big Squish,
the idea that instead of the universe sort of expanding
indefinitely from a very like small singularity that it would,

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it would expand to a certain point.
And then the gravitational forces at the very center of the
universe would start to draw things back to its origin point.
So it's like the universe would collapse it back in on itself.
And the sort of way I would visualize something like that,

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there being a, a altered, like adifferent version of our
universe is if it is like, you know, scientists, say
cosmologists, they basically posit that Big Bang Theory is
the most parsimonious, the most accurate explanation of the the.
Evolution of the early universe and that it expanded from a

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small dense hot point or singularity and it's expanding
outward and it's now much more spread out, much less dense and
much cooler. So it's almost like the way I
picture it is like it expands out now, but if you reverse
that, if you reverse time, you can sort of imagine it shrinking

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back in on itself. And then sort of like, I don't
know, I don't know how to explain it.
Like shrinking back in and then sort of expanding outward in a
different way, like an alternateuniverse that makes sense that
pre existed our universe. I'm not saying that I think this
is true. It's just something I've thought
about. You're more than welcome to give

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out your theories and hypothesis.
I actually encourage people, even if you don't have like a
complete way to be able to reveal evidence for it, I'm
willing to listen. I'm open minded.
I mean, my goodness, I spent months with the Flat Earthers.
So it is what it is. So you believe that there was
something there. You don't believe in what?

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Some of these folks are indicating that like, what's his
name? Mr. Cross?
I think I forgot his first, but he believed that the universe
according to his book and his writings.
I didn't make this up. He said the universe was nothing
and then matter, nature, space and time came into existence or
as far as time is with the universe.

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Do you agree with him on that? Or do you think that he might be
cooked for Cocoa Puffs? I, I think that the the title of
his of his book is is maybe slightly misleading because I
don't think he was arguing that the universe came from
absolutely nothing. Because I think when the term,

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when he uses the word nothing inthat context, it's not an
absolute philosophical nothing. We're not There's no molecules.
There's no not even molecules that are standing perfectly
still at absolute zero with no vibration that there's no
particles whatsoever. If you can imagine like being
out in space where there's it's just blackness even there

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there's going to be part some type of some particles and
elements at the microscopic level, but.
Well, I, I can appreciate that you you've seen his book and all
that and he's seen the title andI understand I've heard some non
believers say that what he has said is misleading.
And just to make sure that I gotwhat they were saying and may

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have been interpreting him wrong.
I actually watched quite a few of his videos.
I have a TikTok and normally don't use it because people are
just I'm over on TikTok. I prefer YouTube, but I got
several video shorts of him where it gets right to the part
where he's he's actually having a discussion with Richard
Dawkins. And obviously they're patting

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themselves on the back because they're both atheist.
Richard's doing biology, he's doing the universe.
And Richard says, is it true that we come from nothing?
And he goes nothing. And he goes absolutely nothing.
And he says literally nothing. And he repeats himself three
times. Nothing.
No quantum fields, no photons, no Darth Vader in the Seth.

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Nothing. That's how he put it.
That's what he said in front of an audience on video.
Yeah, Lawrence Krauss also. I mean, I'm, I'm not the biggest
fan of him anyway. I mean, I'm pretty sure he did
some unsavory things with women.I think I have a, a image that

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shows that like what when he's talking about nothing or an
empty space. I think he said this before that
It's not like I was saying like if you can imagine empty space
where there's no planets, stars or anything.
It seems empty to us. But it's really, according to
Kraus, it's actually filled withvirtual particles that are like
matter and antimatter that annihilate each other and that

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there's a lot. I'll share this image that's
supposed to be sort of a visualization of of.
I mean, if that's if that's OK for me to share my screen.
Yeah, you can share your screen.You never porn bombed me before,
so I trust you on that matter. Yeah, I I'm trying to figure out
how to actually get you on the screen still.
Oh, yeah. Terrible.

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Let's see. Yeah.
It has to do with how you have your scenes set up.
Brett, I was saying you could add a, you could add a browser
source and just add the browser of the stream yard tab and it
should show what you know. Let.
Me. See if that works.

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That might be what we want. All right.
Are you up there? Can you guys hear me?
Yeah. What in the hell?
I just you guys aren't popping up on the screen.
I even added the scenes. That sucks.

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Do you have your scene like maximized?
Now that is a possible thing. Would I actually cover you guys
in that process? I think so it would be like
sharing your sharing your scene or, you know, sharing your
screen. There you go.
See, AJ, can you turn your camera on Now?

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If you can turn your camera on like you don't have to have your
lens open, that's how I'm doing it.
Oh, there you guys go. Look at all these handsome.
Yeah, like close the lens on your you on your webcam, AJ and
then share your screen and then you'll be up here.
It's not technical difficulties,folks.
What happened was I've been awayfrom YouTube.

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I come back and somebody got in here and rigged the whole stream
yards. It's UI and it's HUD, so I'm
learning as we go. I didn't want to hold Steven and
Mr. Junior up any longer. I figured, let's get this going
and let's have a discussion. Let me put myself back on the
stream. I'll tell you what, if Steven
wasn't here, I don't know what I'd do.

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I might have to just sit here and grow old.
All right. Did you get at work in Mr.
Junior as well? Steven?
I see you, Steven. I don't see Junior.
I there we go. That works.
You're at least represented. You may want to go into the
settings now and change your virtual background to an image

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that you want displayed. You're good.
No, this is it. He he was able to share it.
So yeah. So what Kraus was saying is that
what we picture is empty space actually has a lot of activity
going on in virtual particles and what he calls quantum foam.

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Honestly, I'm Grayson would be better to talk to you about this
stuff like he. Yeah, so.
I like talking to Grayson. They used to talk to him a while
back. Somebody said that he took off,
though. Was that you, Steven?
Did you? You said that Grayson devolved
or something. What happened?
No, what had happened is he had come to Dinosaur Adventure Land

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and had a pretty good visit and then after he had left, you
know, made some claims that it was not such a savory place, but
he seemed to be enjoying himselfwhile he was here.
All right, fair enough. Brief and to the point, I get
you on that. So, Junior, I'll throw just a
little bit more about the cosmosand then we can get into the

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evolution thing. I appreciate you entertaining me
on the cosmos and all that. I just wanted to see where you
were on that. Well, let's say that there was
some protons and there was some weird stuff and all this that
was going on. Maybe an ancient state of the
universe before The Big Bang ignited and created things
'cause it sounds like you go with The Big Bang.

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Let's go with that. You don't believe that nature
can actually create the physicalconstructs of nature on its own
though, right? I'm not sure.
I'm not sure how to answer that because again, you're saying
like nature is creating itself. Well, isn't that what we would

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be saying here? If there was a Big Bang and it
created space-time and matter, then it would have had to create
the very thing that we define asnature, all the physical
constructs and all the gases, everything that's in the
universe as your favorite man inthe whole wide world.
Kent has said it created the oceans, the mountains, the
elephants, the snails, the whales, you know what I mean?

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So it created all these physicalconstructs.
How did this? I hate to put it at you because
you probably won't have a response for it, but you can
try. Why did suddenly this ancient
state of the universe ignite andcreate all these physical
constructs and some of these beautiful asteroids we always
hear heading for the Earth? Well, it's not.

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I disagree with Kent saying thatThe Big Bang created the
mountains and the rivers and allthat stuff, because Kent knows
that scientists claim that the Earth formed billions of years
after The Big Bang happened. But at The Big Bang at during

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Planck time, basically you had the four fundamental forces of
the universe, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force
combined into one physical forcethat split into four forces.
And those 4 fundamental forces are what sort of are the, are
the foundation of the laws of physics that lead to elements

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that we have elements forming and that that makes stars able
to form and planets able to form.
So it's not that like The Big Bang caused like planets to
form, which is more like The BigBang caused or right after The
Big Bang, you had a splitting ofso 1 fundamental force into the

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four that are the most basic forces in our universe, and
everything else sort of comes from those.
The other the more, the more, the less fundamental laws of
physics. Do you believe that from the
point of the beginning of The Big Bang all the way through
this expansive universe that theingredients for the concept of a

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consciousness and mind was present?
Or did it simply only form as Earth came into existence?
No, I I don't. I think consciousness is
something that came much later. You don't believe that there is
any other possible life or any kind of intelligence in the

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universe, that we are somehow special and unique out of
billions of worlds that the scientists claim exist.
I think that the universe is so large that it's likely that
we'll never interact with another form of intelligent
life, at least not in my lifetime.
But no, I, I don't think that wewould be the only ones because

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feasibly, if you know, you can have a solar system with the
planet that has a star close at the right distance to where
liquid water can form, it's it'spossible that you could have
life like we see on Earth. And then there's also evidence
that there are life forms that could exist on other types of,

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you know, planet like life formsthat are not carbon based like
we are. But maybe based on like silicone
based or life that's able to live in conditions that we
couldn't exist in, like unlike on the methane and thick gases
of a planet like Venus that we would just immediately die if we
were dropped, you know, if we were teleported to Venus, like

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we'd just die instantly from theheat.
But there might be life forms that could exist on planets like
that. I don't know, you know, because
we have extremophiles on Earth that can exist in volcanoes, in
the vacuum of space and things like that.
So, you know, life finds a way. Alex says theistic evolution,
multiverse theory. We throw out all kinds of neat

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stuff, don't we, Steven? But one of the other things,
though. But you believe that there had
to have been some kind of eitherpoint or the formula for life
had to have actually existed within nature in order for this
all to be right? Or did do you think it's only
unique to Earth? That's what I'm getting at.

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No, I don't I don't think it's Idon't think it can only be
unique to Earth. It might, it might be unique to
Earth right now, but I, I, I do think that it's possible that we
that life could exist on other planets.
I don't see a reason why it couldn't other than unless we
are really are just special. But that's, I think more of what
Christians would posit, that, you know, we are special because

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were created by God. But I obviously don't agree with
that. Just to understand your position
a little bit better, do you lacka belief in deities like a
classic atheist, or do you believe that God is possible or
probable in any way? Well, if if you've heard the
terms like local atheists and like global or like universal

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atheists, like it's like the difference between religions and
gods or God claims that are based on, you know, human
culture, like religions that we have on on earth like
Christianity or Buddhism or Islam.

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What you consider man made religions?
And. Higher power of prime mover in
general. Just something that's alive that
may have actually terraformed the Earth and worlds.
Yeah, so I definitely would say I'm I'm more of a like hard
atheist when it comes to man made religions because, you
know, it's provable that humans wrote those holy books.

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Now, there are, they claim that they could be inspired by their
God to write the books, but you know, that's disputable When it
comes to a something that could be called a God, something
that's a being that's that's very powerful that could
possibly exist somewhere in our universe.
I can't. I'm more agnostic towards that

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because I really can't say for certain that that isn't there,
you know? So that's usually how I explain.
Well, you, you sound like not only are you open to a higher
power or something greater or more superior in advancing
ourselves, but you've also pointed out that you, you
believe it's possible there could be life.

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But you, you did clearly say, but I don't think we'll ever
actually see them. And that's, that's fine if you
believe all that that's possiblefor.
And the universe is as old as itis.
What makes you think that life forms are something superior
hasn't already visited us? And being the curious, you know,

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species that we are, why wouldn't we write it down?
Why wouldn't we write what we see and what we've witnessed if
we see something that is grand beyond belief?
Yeah, I, I just, I don't know, Imean, I, I don't really think
there's evidence of that. That's kind of getting into the

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ancient aliens thing. Like I just, I think, you know,
human history is interesting enough without us having been
visited by aliens, you know? Well, I'm not saying you got to
subscribe to that, and I'm not saying I subscribe to it as
well, but it's a it's an interesting thing to wonder to
me whenever I read the Bible. I know this might come off

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strange as some religious folks as well as non believers, but
it's really when you read the Bible, especially the New
Testament, you're reading a story about a first contact
between something that is not human that has come to earth to
actually see us. And I would suspect if something
wasn't human, it would to try toat least relate to us in some

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kind of way, or make it appear as though it looks like us so
we're not completely frightened and pooping our pants.
Does that make sense to you, Steven, or am I absolutely
insane? Do I need medication?
Steven's starting to look for some medication in the cabinets,
but you get my point. It's like a first contact type

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of story. I get it.
You look at all the other religions and you're like, well,
I, I understand that. All right, So people have been
getting on to me out there. They're like, Brett, get into
the evolution. We want to hear about that.
We spent some time on the cosmos.
I appreciate you entertaining meon that.
So do you, do you believe in abiogenesis?

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I always try to start from the beginning and work my way
forward on this, the very first process of evolution.
Well, I, I disagree that it's the that it's directly linked
with evolution. I mean that there that it's the
first step in it. I think that obviously the two
they're two separate scientific theories.

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Obviously they have close ties with each other, but I think it
is important to have a distinction between them because
I think that there is a lot moreevidence for animals and life on
Earth diversifying versus the versus a really solid and like

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well understood explanation of how life originated.
Because the scientists that study abiogenesis, they have
many different sort of hypotheses about how life could
have originated on Earth that could individually be true or
could concurrently be true, or maybe none of them are true, but

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there's definitely just, I don'tthink there's as much evidence
for abiogenesis as there is for evolution, so.
I. Do believe it, but yeah.
I I noticed that Christians and atheists have a there's a bit of
a kind of a conflict whenever we're all talking about like
abiogenesis or evolution. The reason why I bring

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abiogenesis, I feel that this needs to be explained to the
audience. Maybe you know this, but the
definition according to dictionary.com, is the original
evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or
inanimate substances. To construct any convincing
theory of Biogenesis, we must take into account the condition

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of the earth 4 billion years ago.
And obviously science claims that our earth is 4.5.
At this point. I think that they're going to be
tripling the age of the earth soon.
The scientists are saying that they think the universe might
actually be 40 billion as opposed to 16.
I don't know. I don't know if you heard about
that. No, I, I hadn't heard that.

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But I, I, I, I have thought before that it doesn't really
make sense that the universe is only 13 point whatever billion
years old because it just, it almost seems to me like it just
should be way older than that. I don't know.
Although that's billions of years old.
I mean, that's a really long time.
I mean, it's hard for a human toeven fathom such a long time

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scale because we have short lives comparatively.
But yeah, I mean. All right, I agree with you or
not, it's, it's definitely like that.
Some of my I, I don't know if you know this about me or you
watch enough of my videos to realize this.
This unfortunately gets me argued with by some Christians

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out there, even though I love and adore them.
But I'm not a young earther. I'm not one of these folks who
believe that the Earth is like 6-7 thousand years old.
I'm not really sure if it's billions of years old either.
But I definitely am convinced that it's not as early as what
some people I can tell them, my buddy Steven, TPR and others do.

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Luckily they have patience with me.
They're trying to get me figuredout on that.
Were you aware of this? Aware.
Say that again. Aware of what?
Were you aware of that that particular point?

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No, I was, I was reading something.
I I kind of, I kind of zoned down on what you were saying a
second ago. Well, that's what they say about
me. I am the cure for insomnia, so
watch out. All right, so we got the
definition of abiogenesis that actually uses the word evolution
in it. Now let's start from let's.
We can go into any step on this you want, but at some point in

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time inanimate objects you have to agree would have had to form
what we would define as life. You agree with that?
Well, that's that's one part of abiogenesis, but it's
abiogenesis is not simply like flipping a switch where at at
one point you have, you know, inert material and then it it

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just comes alive. Abiogenesis involves stages
where you have the Earth being uninhabitable for life at all
with, you know, temperatures extremely high in volcanoes.
And well, at one point, like theEarth would have been molten.
And obviously, you know, until it cools down and you have

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liquid water forming in oceans you can't have, it wasn't
habitable. So eventually, so the Earth has
to become habitable. And then when those oceans form,
you have chemical reactions taking place and you have a a

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synthesis of chemicals occurringin the water that's called a
prebiotic synthesis. And then eventually you get to
you next stage would be development of a protocell and
cell membrane. So there's, there's a lot of
different stages that would haveto occur before you get to what

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we would call the first self replicating molecule.
So it's not just a, it's not just like like a rock just turns
into like a, a living cell. It's, it's a lot of chemistry
happening over and over again inoceans like water at what do
they call it, hydrothermal ventsheating up water or water lakes

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or small ponds next to volcanoesthat are heating up, getting
struck by lightning storms and then evaporating and then
raining back down and chemical reactions happening over and
over again. So it's this continuous process
that just develops towards eventually the first protocells
and eventually the first self replicated molecule.

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And this wouldn't be happening in one-on-one location on Earth.
There wasn't one very first cell.
This would have been happening at lots of different locations
on Earth. Presumably so you you are
convinced because I've heard some non believers actually
state that they believe that theevolution process happened in a

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certain area and then somehow the creatures ended up evolving
after all these processes made their way up and land.
And supposedly our origin is Africa.
So you believe that there were countless places all around the
world where this process was taking place?
Well, I feel like you're kind ofequivocating evolutionary

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Biogenesis. I hear the out of Africa idea is
talking about humans. I mean.
I know that's why way. Way after it coming.
Up on land. That's why I was saying the
creatures coming up on land, do you think they came up somewhere
else or did they originate in Africa?
I think that humans originated on the continent of Africa when

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it comes to low thin fish being able to live and coexist on land
and water. That would have been millions of
years before humans. The first humans or proto humans
existed in Africa. So these are big.
So you're, you're not like Big Mama over there in Commons.
Big Mama claims that they're still an ape and all that.

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I don't think that I've seen a astraight picture to be able to
make a conclusion on that, but they think they're still an 8.
Do you still think that you are an 8 as well or are you
something different? Well, I'm a primate.
Do you think you're a primate? No, no.
No. If I was into evolution, I

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probably would suggest that or go along with that.
But no, I believe that I was intelligently designed and I
descended through humans and that's the way it it happened.
But you said, you said all theseprocesses had to happen in order
for it to get to the point whereit was what it is.
But it originally all had to start from an inanimate object,

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right? Like rocks, Scrabble, things
like this, the kind of stuff that we step on.
Well, hold on a second, because I I want to.
I want to touch on this thing that you just mentioned.
So do you do you have forward facing eyes?
I do. I do.

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Do you have opposable thumbs? Well, koala bears have fingers
like me too, but I'm not part koala bear, do you?
Have facing nostrils. I got some big old nostrils.
You've seen what I look like, I'm sure.
OK, Do you have a, do you have ahighly developed brain?

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Well, some would say so, others would have a a different
argument on that, but it is whatit is.
Well, I mean, those are the, those are the things that
qualify you to be a primate. Well, you want, you know, just
as you know, just as well as I, I mean, like earlier about

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religion, you said I won't go along with that because it's men
writing stuff down. The word primate was invented by
men. Why do you go along with that?
Well, I mean all words were invented by humans.
Right. So it's a description that men
made in order to represent what they think that we are or
whatever. And you're going along with

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that. Why is it that you take the
words of those folks but not thepeople of the Bible or ancient
times for? Is it just because you think
they're smarter or something? Well, they, they objectively are
smarter because they exist in a time period that has a lot of
advancements when it comes to technology, science, and, you

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know, medicine, everything else.So, yeah, we are, we are more
learned than those people were. And, and they, yeah, they, they
created the word because you said you're not a primate, but
the, the word primate is createdby people who do taxonomy.

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And they, they, they looked at animals that have these features
and they say, well, this is whatqualifies as a primate.
And then humans have those same qualifications.
So that's why Big Bad Mama wouldsay that they are still an ape
and that they're still a primate.
All right, fair enough. I usually just go along with my
wife, and she says I'm a handsome man.

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If she starts calling me primate, I'll have to question
her about it. Steven, what's your views on
this? You know that this is an open
discussion, and you've been awfully quiet.
I don't want you falling asleep over there.
I didn't actually know that it was an open discussion.
I communicated with TTOR last minute and he told me that it

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was a debate that he and I were going to host and he was not
going to be able to do it until 10:00 PM Central Standard Time.
And then when I reached out to you to find out, you told me 30
minutes beforehand that it was at 5:00 Central Standard Time.
So I was confused. Well, I got confused as well and

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blame it on the allergy pills. What are you going to do now?
You know how I am, Steven. I've always preferred more of a
open discussion because I understand from the atheist
point of view, they've got to get into all these details by
chemistries and biology and all this.
This isn't something that is effective and gives them the
opportunity to truly express himself on a standing for truth

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like channel. I love Donnie, think he's a good
guy, but having 10 minutes to try to describe how something
becomes sentient and all that I think is puts a person at a
disadvantage. I want to give a person the
opportunity to fully put out their thoughts and ideas.
Does that make sense? Are you guys cool with that or
do you like being time? Have a egg timer.

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Next you going tick tick, tick tick tick while you're talking.
Yeah, I, I I tend to prefer likethe open format.
All right, good deal. What about you, Steven?
What's your favorite way to do things?
I like. Those after a certain time or
what? I like watching debates, but I'm

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a much bigger fan of the open panels, open discussions.
Well, there you go. What is your views on all this,
Steven? I know what Kents are.
I know a bit about TTOR, but where are you at on this?
Do you agree with what I was putting out there that if
evolution and abiogenesis is true, then we would have to

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logically assess that life had to come from inanimate objects?
If there wasn't something alive for an independent or external
life form outside of this, then we would have to suggest we came
from gravel and rocks. You agree?
Well, I mean, I, I personally think there's a lot of reasons
why evolution, abiogenesis, noneof it works.

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And they can't ever give a real defined explanation of the
beginning we'd like. They, they don't like to go into
cosmology, they don't want to get into the beginnings of the
universe. So they almost always go
straight to Darwinism and evolution, but I think that is

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giving way too much ground when there's no clear explanations
for everything leading up to it.Mr. Junior, you had stated that
if a person looks a certain way or has a certain structure to
their body and their face, then they're just like automatically
thrown into the category of primate.

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I have seen videos of Youtubers who are deformed, malformed, and
unfortunately have disabilities where some of them do not have
their eyes in the same place that fortunately us folks have.
So what would you say to them? Would you just say wow, they're
mouth harmed, they're this and that?
Do they get a different category?

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Is there another word that you use for that?
Are you saying that their eyeballs are not on the front of
their head? There's people that got 2 heads.
I've seen that before. Steven, have you ever seen a 2
headed person before or a baby that's born with another head
coming out of its head and all that?
It's. I think the scientific term is
conjoined twins. Yeah, I don't know all the fancy

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words for it. Thank you, Steven.
I appreciate it. You keep me honest.
Yeah, I would think it would be an exception to the rule and.
So how do you know when you're what my point is, I know that
that's if people are going, whatthe hell is Brett talking about?
How do you know that whenever you're looking back at some of

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these fossils and stuff that they say is a transition fossil,
that it's not just a retarded monkey or something or a
disabled creature that just happens to because of the way
that abnormally grew, that it may have the appearance of
something as a human. How can you tell the difference
between a disabled animal and something that you actually

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think you evolved from? Well, because animals are they
belong to population. So if we have many different
skeletons of that species and wesee that they tend to have a
uniform form to their their bonestructure, then that would that

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would show that because you're talking about one like 1 fossil
like, or one skeleton like you, you can't just look at 1.
You have to, you have to look atother, other examples from that
same species. And if you saw, if you saw
multiple of them, you would see that maybe one of them had some

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sort of deformities that made itlook different, but it would
still, it was still a member of that same species.
Well, a lot of the fossils that I've seen, many of them, I, I
know that whenever I talk to nonbelievers, I say, hey, just look
at the fossils and all that. But then when you go to look at
actual fossils, a lot of them are broken pieces of skulls and

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all this kind of stuff. And usually like these museums,
they use wooden carvings. Like for instance that Lucy, I
don't know if you're familiar with that Steven, but Lucy was
considered like a missing link or something, but 90% of the
body are atomical structure thatit had was fake.
In order for the the other partsthat were just in fragments and

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pieces to sit on. They basically made it the way
they wanted it to be represented.
You understand what I'm saying? That's just not true, Brett.
You don't believe that Lucy was put up in a museum or some kind
of organization with pieces of wood bone there that they made
in order to hold that thing up. I mean, if you're saying that

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the display model didn't have the wasn't the actual real
fossil, that's going to be everymuseum is going to use like
material that's not from the actual fossil cause the, the
fossils are incredibly rare and valuable.
I mean, unless that's not what you mean, but you're saying
that. No, I, I appreciate.

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You admitting that the fossils are very rare I appreciate.
Well, they can't. They can't.
They're not going to display thereal fossils.
But Lucy's her her. Are you saying her actual
skeleton was 90% fake? Yeah, if you see the actual
images of what this thing was, there was like a a few like

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pieces of what appeared to be like a rib cage.
And it was about as long as I'm comparing it to my fat fingers,
I'm giving it a little bit of validity there.
And it had a broken, shattered skull that they obviously tried
to put together, but there was alot missing.
And it was like what appeared tobe like a little bit of a

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collarbone, just about as big asmy thumb.
Without all the wooden structure.
It literally just looked like a a small unoverwhelming
structure. It was, it was nothing.
It looked like if you were to see it laying on the ground,
you'd just be like, it's a dog bone.
It didn't look like nothing until they put the wooden

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carvings together. Well, the good thing about Lucy
and similar to humans is that weare, we have bilateral symmetry.
So if they have some of her ribson one side but not on the other
side, you can effectively just sort of fill in the that gap
because we, you know that the other side is just going to have
a rib there. And we also, there are also,

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like many other specimens of herspecies, Australopithecus
afarensis, they have lots more skeletons than just Lucy's
skeleton. So I mean, it doesn't really
matter. They don't have they don't have
the complete skeleton because they have other examples that

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are more complete. That Lucy was just the first one
found. OK, well you seemed like you
were a little surprised by what I was talking about.
Let me see if I can actually getthis up on the screen here you
guys the. Image you're referring to let.
Me move it over a little bit. Let me put Lucy's going to hang
out with me over here the made-up version of what she'd

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look like if she had skin and then we're going to take a look
at that. I just this was a simple Google
search. It shows what what she looks
like. There we go.
I had to stretch out the thing. Let's make it a little bit
there. See what I mean?
Little bitty pieces of rib cage there.

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Got a little bit of a shoulder blade going on the let's bring
up so you can see the skull. Remember I told you it was
shattered? There it is.
That don't look nothing. That don't even look like a damn
monkey to me. That head that looks like
somebody took a sledgehammer to that poor guy or woman or
whatever the hell they're claiming it is.
And there you go. See, how am I supposed to look

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at that and go, yeah, that's that's a how do I know it's not
just a person or something that was disabled or messed up?
Not really a whole lot there to look at.
Well, you know, we're we're laymen, so paleontologists can
tell an awful lot from small skull fragments.
And you'd be surprised, right? And like there they, they have a

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lot of human ancestors where they have much more complete
skulls like Sahalanthropus, Homohabilis.
Like there's a lot. And again, like her species, you
know, yeah, Lucy's skull is not as complete.
But again, like she like, oh, I'm I'm drawing a blank on what

(59:13):
the big. You're not you're Remember, this
isn't Donnie's chat. You can take your time.
If you feel like you got some stuff in a folder or something
like that, or in Google, you're more than welcome to look it up.
Ain't nobody time in the OR anything like that.
Yeah, well, let me, I'll show the image that I'm looking at

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because like it shows that. And shots fired at Donnie, by
the way, who I love. No, I love Donnie too.
I'm just saying, you know, some people just ain't in the whole
time. Deal, Kent.
He thrives in that type of environment.
But me, I just, I want to hear why people think the way they
do. I want to completely understand

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where someone's coming from. And if I feel like I can
unpackage it, fine. If I can't, then maybe at the
end of the day, you make a buddyor something that's got weird
ideas. I don't know, You know what I'm
saying, Steven. Yeah, I'm picking up what you're
putting down, Brett. You smell what the rot's
cooking, do you? I do, and I love that example of

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Lucy that you brought up becauselike, that's a big jump.
Yeah, we did jump kind of far into evolution.
I usually like to stick with working my way up from the
beginning, get to the point where we start roller skating,
that kind of stuff and growing arms and meat stuff.
I'm I'm just being goofy. I hope that my jokes don't.

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My my question that I I never can really get an answer for is
which link in the chain did we develop the soul?
If you don't believe in the soul, then which link in the
chain did we develop? Sentience, or whatever you want
to call that thing that separates us from every other
thing in the universe we observe.

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That's a damn good question, Steven, And unfortunately very
few atheists I've ever met, except for like Adam Lohr,
actually agree that they believethere's some kind of soul.
What about you? Do you believe you're just a
walking animated hamburger, Mr. Junior, or is there more to you
that transcends the flesh? I mean, I think the, the idea of

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a soul is more of a philosophical, philosophical
concept. Like I don't think there's any
physical place in the human bodywhere you could say like the
soul is located. So yeah, I, I mean, I'm not not
a really big fan of that term, but yeah, I mean, I'm talking
about like when I guess like when did human, when did

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consciousness develop in humans?Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, sure. Well, I get similar to like
abiogenesis. It's not really like just a
quick sort of switch that happens.
It would have been a really gradual process where you could
where you have, because you haveexamples even now of organisms

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that have simple, very rudimentary consciousness and
you have humans, you have complex consciousness and
emotions and moods. And so there, there are varying
degrees of, of consciousness, but it's basically just in
taking sensory data from, you know, our environments and being

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able to parse that information and sort of comprehend it.
But you believe that there was some kind of variables or
chemicals in the environment that somehow made it to where we
were able to activate these traits and these qualities that
make us very unique. But the question I have is what

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the the animals? There were a lot of creatures
that existed alongside of us. They obviously went through the
same environments, existed in the same plane.
Some of them actually ate the same kind of materials and food
that we do. So why is it that none of them
evolved right alongside of us and and got some of these cute
wonderful features that we do? Well, I mean, most species that

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have ever existed on Earth gone extinct.
There were, I mean, they, there weren't organisms that evolved
alongside humans. And because, you know, all
living organisms have evolved the same amount, the same amount
of time. Like you can't say that one,
like living Organism is more evolved than another because
it's not, not really how. Well, that's not what I mean.

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That's not exactly what I mean. I, I think that you actually
understand where I'm coming fromon this, so I won't have to go
into like some big explanation. But I'm, I understand that
science believes that millions of creatures went extinct.
I get that. What I'm asking, though, is why
none of them were unique, at least in some of the

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intellectual ways of humans. OK, well, there are humans are a
eusocial species where where we tend to thrive when we live in
societies or when we live in groups where we can help each
other rather than being individualistic and being

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antisocial and sort of, you know, saying, you know, like, Oh
well, I'm not going to help other people.
So there is a there's a pressureto model your behavior in a way
that it's going to be conducive to families and groups living

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longer, not being violent towards other people and
selection pressors like that. You would have had organisms
there or you know, early humans,we tend to survive versus what
they all try to kill each other changing and environments change

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as well. So you need to be like being
able to adapt to changing environments.
It's it's like the cornerstone of evolution, adapting to your
environment and surviving long enough to reproduce and pass on
your genes. It rewards families and it

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rewards pro social behavior. That's just one example.
Well, I got the I got something interesting for you as well as
Steven. Steven, are you still there?
That way I don't have to repeat myself from this.
I'm here, but I'll probably still make you repeat yourself
because you have such a soothingvoice.

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All right, are you both familiarwith DMT?
Yes. Steven, are you are you familiar
with DMT? What is that?
What is that short for? Well, I I could try to briefly
do it. I'm not going to use a bunch of
fancy words. There's a chemical that releases
inside of your brain, like if you were to get stabbed and you

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found yourself dying, there's a chemical that could release into
your brain that would actually make you have a more peaceful
death where you wouldn't suffer as much.
It's like some kind of, some atheists would describe it as a
a more naturally peaceful way todie for the for the creature.
You never heard of that? Never.

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No, I was just planning on dyingthe regular way.
Well, here. Well, here's the point.
Evolution is not a guided process that according to
atheists, it doesn't have a God behind it.
So at what point in time did nature come up with this concept
of, oh, the creature is going todie, so let me release some

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chemicals to make it more merciful for them as they pass?
Interesting. You see what I mean?
I mean, I I'd like to hear your thoughts on that, Junior.
I don't. Know what are the variables in
the environment that caused the evolution of something so
compassionate and unnecessary? Yeah.

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I mean, what does it matter? Why would that nature even
construct something like that, whether it's guided or
something's even putting that forth?
Why is that there? The same question could be
applied to Love Brett. Why did we evolve love?
Well, it's not necessary. The non believer would probably

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argue it has something to do with bonding and social groups
and you know, in order for us tocare about each other yada yada
yada. I've I've heard that before, but
the DMT, the chemicals releasingin the brain to make death more
comfortable is odd and I'd love to hear the hypothesis that
Mister Junior has. Unless he hasn't heard of this

(01:08:00):
topic before. I've never heard any of the
other creationist bring this up.I thought I'd try something new
on you guys. Yeah, I mean, I I've heard, I've
heard this before. I mean I've done DMT and I don't
you. Have How the hell did you get a

(01:08:20):
hold of that? That's brain chemistry.
No comment. All right, I suppose it's some
kind of a legal form of way I won't make you get yourself.
Trouble bad. And I've I've also heard that
it's it's something that releases when humans are when

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they're dreaming or they're about to fall asleep or they're
getting into REM sleep where they're starting to dream.
I know it's a very, it's certainly a very strong
chemical. I don't, I, I see that as sort
of just an incidental thing that's happened in nature.
I don't necessarily think that, you know, 'cause like I've, I've

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said one of the last time, I think that we talked about this,
that nature is very uncaring andsort of even cruel.
So I, I think that, you know, this chemical, if it makes the
process of dying more pleasant, I mean, I don't think that
that's evidence that that it wasput there for a reason or that

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nature intentionally put it there.
I just think it's an incidental thing that occurs with our brain
chemistry that's not well understood.
Well I I agree with you, it wouldn't make sense to say
nature did it, because if it's true what we're both talking
about here, that nature isn't conscious and doesn't give a
damn about us and isn't going tosend us a Christmas card, then

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it definitely isn't going to deliberately construct something
like this. However, obviously this would
work for a theist in an argumentbecause the theist can say, well
it makes sense that God realizedthat at some point in time our
biological clock would run out. That one day we would die and so
we wouldn't suffer and it wouldn't be the most miserable

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experience ever and traumatized.We would simply go off
peacefully. It makes sense if you have
something that is loving and actually cares about our
well-being, that makes it as less painful as possible.
But nature? I don't know how an atheist can
argue that, but I'm willing to listen.

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Yeah, I mean, not, not everything has to be
advantageous or helpful to humans.
I mean, it's, you know, near death experiences are tend to be
unpleasant. So it's possible that our
brains, it's just a coping mechanism of our brain, you
know, 'cause, you know, the human brain is able to block out

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traumatic experiences. It's why some people repress bad
things that happen to them during their childhood, like
that time my uncle took me to Chuck E Cheese's and.
You had a traumatic experience of Chuck E Cheese.
No, I repressed that. So I don't even know what you're
talking about. No, but that is kind of crazy

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though, like the way that the human brain, the brain kind of
protects itself in a way. So I, I think it's, it's just, I
don't know. Well, how do you do you have any
explanation even for that? Even with that DMT?
You're obviously right. They claim in psychology that

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there's mechanisms that go off in our brain to try to protect
us from traumatic experiences. You know, like Chuck E Cheese.
So where the hell did that come from?
Well, when you're it may. I think it follows logically
that when the brain and body know, like knows that it's close

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to death or having a near death experience, it's going to be
releasing any, it's going to be throwing everything at the wall
just to see what like what sticks.
Like it's going to be releasing lots of chemicals, hormones.
Your endocrine system is going to be going crazy most likely.
Like if you've ever been really sick, you know, it kind of seems
like your body is just freaking out, like because it doesn't
really know what to do. Like your immune system and the

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brain in that situation. I think it's just sort of
panicking or just, it's just doing, it's just sort of like
that movie Inside Out where they're, you know, they're just,
everything gets all mixed up andthey're just like.

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See, Junior, I, I follow along with what you're saying and I
absolutely agree with all these points that you put forth.
And if Steven is also listening,that's the point.
I mean, how I haven't heard any scientists be able to fully
explain this in any kind of way that it's at least where it
goes. All these systems that you're

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talking about, about when you'resick and, and your body is
trying everything it can to fight and survive, why is it
doing this For did nature construct it to have this
ambition and desire? Why does it even matter to it,
you know? Yeah, go ahead.
I think, I think it's the, that's the reason that the brain

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releases positive, positive, happy chemicals after you eat a
large meal or after you, you know, use the bathroom or
especially why sex feels good isbecause you have in evolutionary
drive to reproduce and, and, andpass your genes on and to live

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basically. I, you know, people say that
like, you know, what's the meaning of life?
I, I've always thought that the answer to that is pretty simple,
that it's just the meaning of life is just living long enough
to reproduce and pass on your genes.
I mean, that's a pretty, that's kind of a cold way of putting
it, but you know, that's what that's what we see in the animal

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Kingdom. You know, they want to be able
to reproduce before they die, basically.
So that your brain is is a reward Center for certain
things. So it's going to it's going to
reward you when you eat food because that's going to help you
survive. And yeah, so your, your brain is

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very good at releasing chemicalsto sort of, you know, trick you.
And I think you believe it's your.
Yeah. Go ahead, A weird word tricked
you is. That our our brain can think
tricks on us, You know, our minds can be we can be very.
I mean, that's why optical illusions are thing, you know,

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like. Like that weird stuff you got
going on in the background there, which is pretty neat.
Right. Yeah, like, yeah, my.
Question is why is it only us humans who evolved this like
we're the only you know, if you've ever gone hunting and and
shot a deer or if you've ever hit a dog or ever had to shoot

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like a wild hog, they are in full panic mode all the way up
until their last breath like they are wanting to fight it.
But with humans, we can be put in the same violent situation
that ends our life and we still have that chemical reaction that
kicks in. In that merciful way it why us?
Well, we we tend to have more complex larger brains than a lot

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of other animals are. So maybe they don't have the the
structures to be able to do that.
You know, Steve and I was talking earlier about the DMT
and the release of chemicals in the brain for humans.
But I do tend to. I have curiosity being that I am
an animal person. I have about 10 cats in the

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yard. I've looked into animals.
Did you realize, both of you? You probably know this already,
but animals, at least some of them, especially smaller
animals, have a a less distinctive pain filter.
You know how I'm always talking about pain receptor, Steven?
Apparently they don't feel pain as traumatically as what we do.

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I know that's kind of weird. You probably seen those TikTok
videos where a dog gets hit and it's yelping or a puppy dies and
the mama's really sad and everything.
But they apparently, if you agree with science, don't have
the same kind of response, at least physically, to pain that
we do. That's what I heard.

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That's interesting are. You talking about pain tolerance
or is it or something else? They they give it like a scale
or a level system like cats havelike level 2.
They can. I mean, if you step on your
tail, you're going to get a meowout of them.
But it's not in the same way. Obviously because of the way it
responded, we think that it's a lot more vicious or terrible

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than what we imagined. But that's the scientists claim.
I don't know. I've seen animals mourn before
or I've seen animals be sad whenever they lose their puppy
or something. So I, I don't know if if
scientists got that absolutely accurate.
I mean, there's the observation and then there's what they tell
you. You get what I'm saying, Steven?

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Oh yeah, and I don't know if I would trust the observation.
Right, right. And that is that brings me to
the pain receptors. I've actually talked about this
before, Junior. You believe at some point in
time that our chemicals, we werenothing more than what you call
single celled organisms. Now if this is the case, why did

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we need to get to a point where we started evolving all these
things anyway? Why did nature present this to
us to begin with? What chemicals in the
environment initiated this process?
Well, I don't really know about specific chemicals, but it's
more like there are there are certain survival advantages that

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animals would have and some of it some other animals might not
have. And animals that can detect an
injury more quickly, animals that have pain receptors, they
can't. That means that they'll be able
to withdraw from harmful stimuli, like if they've been

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bit or if they've been burned before they get hurt worse.
And having a fast transmission of that pain signal from the
extremity or the limb you have to your brain allows you to
react more quickly. So these are all survival
advantages that would help theseanimals get away from danger.

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And if you have environmental hazards like the early 'cause
the early Earth would have tons of physical dangers, you know,
So if you, if an animal is in a like, they can learn from their
experiences. So if they have an experience
that's painful, it'll, they'll know to avoid like dangerous

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terrain, like rocky ground that's like sharp and can cut
their, their paws or hurt them. They'll know to avoid it next
time if they have a broken bone,they'll know not to walk on that
limb. Like, and these are all survival
advantages. Like pain teaches avoidance.

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Like don't touch that, don't, don't go there.
That's why it's in a way, it's agood thing that we can feel
pain. Because if not, if you if you
put your hand on a hot stove andyou just didn't feel anything
like you'd really damage your hand much worse.
And yeah, and again, and this, this ties into the social, the
social species because, you know, like he's mentioned

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animals yelping, the signals of pain can alert other animals to
help or can, you know, alert them that there's a dangerous
predator. So these are all examples of
like reasons why it would have been advantageous to develop.
Cane receptors and nervous and nervous system versus animals.

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It did. Well, obviously I'm going to
agree that it's beneficial for us.
I'd hate to lay my hand down on a stove and that not give me
some kind of response or reaction and I just simply set
on fire. But the problem is, is that what
we're doing here in this conversation is we're talking
about the horse, not the carriage.

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Before you even get burned or before the pain, it's almost
like our brain is intuitive, like it knows or it can
envision. Like you'll see something off in
the distance and say, if I go near that, that could kill me.
Even if you've never even experienced it before, somehow
your brain, something in your head says don't go near that.

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That's going to mess you up. Even if you never went through
that in your life, you know whatI'm talking about, the intuition
of it. Yeah.
And I think that that's probablysomething that could have had
something to do with your ancestry and the traits that you
get from your parents. I mean, it's not necessarily,
but you know, it's, there are lots of animals that are born

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with, you know, instincts like they know, they know to nurse
off of their mother minutes after they're born.
A part of that is from like pheromones from their mom and,
and the fact that they're all soclose to their mom after being
born. But still like, you know, some
animals can walk, like giraffe baby giraffes can walk.

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They'll get up and start walkinglike very quickly after they're
born. And I think that's instinctual.
So. But you're, you're saying more
than that, though, it's, it sounds like it's more than
instance. It sounds like it's some kind of
inherent memory bank that is being passed on.
Because if you've never experienced something, but

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something in your head is telling you to do this and your
explanation as well. A million years ago, my, my,
whatever it was, grandfather bumped into something and it
didn't, wasn't pleasant for it. You get what I'm saying?
How the hell do you know? Did his memory get passed all
the way through all the transitions to you?

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Yeah, I don't know. But the early Earth would have
been just very, very dangerous. And like I said, a lot of animal
species didn't survive, you know, so a lot of them just,
they didn't realize that it was dangerous to walk off that Cliff
or whatever. Like the, you know, like most
species that have ever existed have gone extinct.
So and even if, even if you're you are cautious enough, there

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are extinction events that have wiped out huge populations of
animals in the past. You know, the comet that killed
a lot of the dinosaurs and otherexamples.
See, I have no idea, Steven or Mr. Junior, what it's like to be
a fish. Never been a fish.
Don't know if I ever desired to be a fish.
Maybe for about 5 minutes, see what it's like.

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But if I were to stick my littlefish head out of the water and
realize that I'm not breathing properly and this is sucking,
I'm not going to make an attemptto get out even further.
You get what I'm saying? Why the hell did this thing
decide that it needed the to traverse outside of its comfort
zone for? Well, the the loafin fish that

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walked on land had gills and a set of lungs like Tiktaali had
both. So I mean, yeah.
And it does make sense that, youknow, an animal that who lives
in the water, it's going to suffocate when it if it goes out

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of the water and it's going to go, it's not going to want to
come out of the water. But if it if it's able to
breathe outside of the water, then you know there's no
problem. Well, I've actually heard
debates between atheists and religious folks.
I've never actually really got into a debate about this topic
before, but I find it fascinating.
There are some non believers outthere that claim that there's

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some creatures that not only gotup on land, but at some point in
time got bored and got tired of the reruns on television, took
their ass right back in the water and evolved into it.
How the hell does that work? Go ahead.
I would like to know how these evolved.
These are rarely ever talked about, but this is fairy fingers

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and cattles with holes are born with these so that they don't
puncture the inside of their mothers and kill them.
One, that's pretty well with thevariables in the environment
that caused them to develop this, and two, how did the whole
species not go extinct before they figured out, hey we should
develop fairy fingers? Fairy fingers, that's what they

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call it. Go ahead and Google it, it's
called. I mean, there's a scientific
term, but if you look up fairy fingers, that'll pull right up.
So what you're basically saying is this creature, whenever it's
like adult size or teenage size,this thing has Freddy Krueger
claws and somehow the thing isn't like that whenever it's in

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the womb to kill its own mother in the process, including
itself. While these are baby cows, baby
horses all alike, they're all born with these fairy fingers.
They're on the hoof and then they wear off over time as you
grow up, but all the babies are born with them so they don't
puncture the inside of their mothers.

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Did Mr. Junior take off on us? Oh, they.
No, I I just turned off my virtual camera for a second.
All right, So what the hell is this thing I'm looking at again?
You know, I should know this because I do live out in
farmland, but I don't think I'veever seen an ugly ass creature
like that. What is that, Steven?
Tell me again. It's either a cow or a horse.

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Goats have them, sheep have them.
They're all born with these, every hooved animal so it
doesn't kill its mother. I apologize for my language to
you Steve, and I know that bothers you.
I need to work on that. Sorry about that.
You're actually doing amazing, but thank you.
What's your hypothesis, Mr. Junior?
This first time I've ever seen something so ugly in my life.

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Except for Chuck E Cheese. What?
What's going on here? What is this?
Well, so the hypothesis that that basically evolution,
evolutionary biology would suggest is that like these
hooked animals that evolved from5 toed ancestors and over, you

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know, long period of time, most of the digits that they had
would have either shrank or fused.
And animals, you know, I've talked about this before, but
you know, animals that when theyreproduce, their children are
going to, you know, they try theDNA is replicated, but it's

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never going to be a perfect copy.
There's going to be replication errors.
And that those are what we call mutations.
And some of those mutations, sometimes they're beneficial.
So you have over a long time, you have maybe these hooked
animals developing the fairy fingers.

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And it's, it's advantageous because the mother is not being
killed in childbirth. So the animals that that had
these structures developed wouldhave survived and the ones that
didn't would have died off. So when you ask like, you know
what, what caused this to evolve, like 90% of the time my

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answer is just going to be mutations and natural selection.
All right, I I get you on that. My issue with that is that none
of these pictures, sorry Brett, none of these pictures, to me, a
layman, look anything like a 5A5toed amulet.
It does not look like some sort of super hybrid ancient horse
with five toes. And it would be weird that it

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would go from 5 toes to the squid looking fingers and then
back to a hoof. Like, that's kind of weird too.
Well, the the the the horse likehorses, they would have one main
toe and then the inside of theirlegs is where the remnants of
the 2nd and 4th digits would be.So it's like the the the other
fingers would basically have gotten absorbed into their hand.

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So it's kind of like horses are walking around on one middle
finger all the time. But you said this, You said you,
you. Your hypothesis was that it
developed this so that it sparedthe mother.
Right, right. Like if, if there's a mutation
that would have caused somethinglike this to happen that it

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would have been advantageous to,to those animals because the
mother wouldn't have died due tobeing ripped open by the, you
know, the, the hooves or whatever.
But how did any of the mothers survive to have even a single
generation without this? That's a good point, Mr. Junior.

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Well, some. It just seems like a miracle.
I mean, I don't have problems with miracles, but I'm a
Christian. But that seems like a miracle,
Like it's a blessing at least. Well, mutations are random and
that's what I'm saying that I'm,I'm not is it 100% fatal if they
don't have these? I don't know, you know, but

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that's what I'm saying. Like it's mutations are random
and well the ones that didn't, maybe they died and.
I can tell you, having offspringmyself, that babies kick a lot
for months. So I would say it would be
physically impossible that you have a creature inside of you

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with four sharp holes kicking for a month, month and a half,
two months even. Wow, that's a bigger miracle.
Like Steven? That's already difficult enough
for a woman to be able to have ababy in her because they kick
like their little Bruce leaves or something.
Give them some claws and it's over with.

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Yeah. And, and what you're saying,
what you're saying here is that like, how did any of them
survive? Well, the the mother may have
died, but the child still lives on, you know?
So even if all the mothers got killed in childbirth, you know,
the the offspring would still live on, you know?
No, no, no. Not killed in childbirth, killed

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in labor or not even labor. They are killed.
They would be killed in pregnancy.
While they're pregnant. They would die.
They would die inside the mother.
They've died prematurely. Well, yeah, that's what Steven's
saying. They're in the womb.
And if they start clawing away like Wolverine meets Deadpool,
the the mother's screwed. And if the creature's premature,

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I mean, what's it going to do, dig its way out of its mother or
something? I mean, what?
What do you think's happening here?
Oh, and I I just visualize childbirth.
Even if you got to that point, you got this clawed Freddy
Kerger looking thing just scrapping at everything while
it's coming out. Oh goodness, I feel sorry for

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the woman involved. Brett, Brett, even if you made
it out of the mother's womb and it died in childbirth, good luck
breastfeeding on a dead mom. You know what I mean?
You might get a day out of that Source.
Yeah, you'd get about a day at the most on that.
And then at that point it all starts turning chocolate milk,
right? Yikes.
Oh, unless we invoke more miracles, which again, I'm

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Christian. I'm cool with that.
Junior, I hope you realize we'renot mocking you or anything.
We just try to have some fun andand keep things, you know, the
ice then kind of thing. I hope you understand.
Yeah. No, no, no, it's a good
question, Steven, I'll say that.But I mean like evolution would
say that the earliest, the earliest, the oldest ancestor of

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the modern horse was called the Eohippus.
And they they were, would have been the size of like a a small
dog and they had four toes on their front feet and three on
the back. So compared to like modern
horses that, you know, their, their feet and digits would have
been much smaller. So maybe, you know, maybe they

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weren't Wolverine claws. Maybe they were just more like,
you know, not, you know, not so traumatic to be able to kill the
mom. The mom.
I don't know. That's an interesting question.
I don't have to look into that. Well, I'm just exaggerating
because I'm a silly person like that.
But you got to admit, looking atthose claws up there, you
wouldn't want that anywhere nearyour your lovely parts.

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That's rough. Yeah, I'm, I'm glad that I am a
man. How about how about this?
This is on the same level as what you're talking about,
Steven. This is something that has
absolutely fascinated me. I actually started looking back
into this if Mr. Junior be able to return.
This fascinates me. They during the time of are you

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familiar with Jeffrey Dahmer? Either one of you.
Yeah. Well, they obviously wanted to
study some of his life choices, if you could call it that, as
well as other serial killers. And they claim that we have some
kind of mechanism in our brain. You know how we were talking
about brain defenses earlier? Well, they say that there's like

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this mechanism that keeps us from killing everything around
us. Something in our brain stops us
and makes us hesitate and think before being the predator that
they claim humans are. Where did this come from and how
when we were in our our early stages of transitions of
evolution, at what point did themechanism come in?

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I would have to assume it had tobe a very at the very starting
point or we would have killed each other all the way up the
line. I'm not just talking about some
wars here and some battles just full on wipe out the human race
or whatever. If we were a mouse at the time
or a monkey or whatever the hellit was, go ahead.
What do you think about that guys?

(01:34:34):
Well, I think Dahmer was definitely a unique case.
He he faced a lot of neglect in his childhood and unfortunately
he showed the strongest early sign of future psychotic violent
psychopathy, which was killing small animals.

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Well, that's usually how a lot of them start out, don't they?
Was he actually neglected? Wasn't his father?
Like, I think he was like religious?
Well, he could have been. I think he was a drunk before
that and then became religious. But the point is, is there some
kind of they say there's some kind of mechanism that stops us
all from being like a Jeffrey Dahmer, just going out and

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wiping things out without any hesitation?
Where did this come from? What kind of chemical told our
brain, don't go killing your mother just as you come out of
the womb. Don't kill your brothers and
sisters. Be a social group.
You get what I'm saying? Yeah, I, well, I think one of

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one of them is probably mirror neurons.
If you've heard of that. It has something to do with
empathy where sometimes, like iffor example, like if you
sometimes if you, if you see somebody else who's upset or
they're crying, like sometimes that can trigger that same
emotion in you or cause you to like maybe like tear up a little
bit. That's because of people who

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have mirror neurons. It's like the neurons in your
brain will actually mimic the, the ones in the person that
you're observing. And what they found is that some
people, especially very violent criminals and, you know, people
who have done really bad things in prison, who again, tend to
have a very traumatic upbringing.
They they sort of lack these mirror neurons and they tend to

(01:36:26):
lack empathy. They they're unable to feel,
they're unable to sort of feel the emotions of another person.
And, and yeah, I think it's justsort of AI think it's a defect
in the, in people's brains. And it's pretty, pretty sad, you
know, But yeah, they just have to go with the whole social
aspect of, you know, it's betterto not kill everybody around you

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because, you know, then we, you know, just, I don't know, it's
just not good. It's a need for both people.
Right, wouldn't be advantageous.None of us would exist.
No animal, no humans or nothing.That's a very, I mean, if you
think about it, that's a fascinating thing though.
Something clicked in our brain though.

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I mean that's the what scientists say that some
animals, they like to socialize and they group and this is how
they get compatible with a lot of different obstacles in the
environment. But why the hell did that even
was that there in the 1st place for them to be able to benefit
from it later? That's that's where I'm trying
to get at the carriage, not the horse.

(01:37:31):
You follow Steven. Yeah, but I have a.
It's kind of a fun fact, but also a question that maybe AJ
could answer. Sure, it's an open discussion.
Plus it'll give me time to use the restroom.
Guys, I have a wireless headphone so I can hear you no
matter where I'm at. Unless I get stepped on by an
evolved elephant. Be right back.

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All right, so my fun fact is about duck intercourse.
And the interesting thing about duck intercourse is that there's
a lot of. I don't want to use words that
will get picked up in the algorithm, but we'll say forced
duck intercourse. Yeah, I know what you're talking
about. Right, the woman's ability to
reject the DNA from a male duck.Yeah.

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I mean, that's fascinating. My question would be, you know,
what would be variable in the environment be for the duck to
develop that? But I mean, I don't think to my
knowledge, any other animal has it and we certainly don't have
it. Yeah, I don't know.

(01:38:35):
It's an interesting, it's, it's an interesting concept because,
you know, I mean, if you have the design argument, then you,
you know, you'd be, you'd say that, well, you have like the
male ducks that they have their,you know, anatomy and then the
female duck has the as the reverse of that, which is not,

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you know, it's not something yousee in most animals.
It it either, either way, it's, it's pretty messed up.
And the really bad thing is it'ssome sometimes the, the ducks
will just go after the, the deadones.
Like they don't even care. They're like profiles.

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Well, and I mean, I know that it's a lot more prevalent in the
duck community for whatever reason it is.
They must have all had bad childhoods or I don't know, but
it's prevalent in the ducks. But we exhibited in so many
other species, especially with, you know, humans.
And it's just bizarre that out of all of them, it's just the

(01:39:37):
duck that would develop that, you know, why didn't the
environment cause any of the other life forms to to do it?
It's just bizarre. Yeah, plus it you think it falls
off once a year after maiden season?
I've heard, I've heard him say that, but I actually was just

(01:39:59):
looking up that information about 5 minutes ago and it says
that that's a misconception thatit just shrinks up to add normal
size. So I'm going to have to do some
more research into that and maybe pass it along to to doc.
Yes, that's see like definitely an important research topic.
Right. No, you're right.

(01:40:22):
So did Brett say he was going togo one or two?
I don't know. I don't think he, I don't think
he shared that information. So yeah, did we ever actually
get your opinion on when we would have developed, you know,
whatever The thing is that makesus different from the other

(01:40:44):
animals? Well, what I think is, is that
this is just my personal sort ofidea that once you had an Lucy
and her species, they're able toshe, you know, was able to walk

(01:41:07):
upright, but also lived in it was arboreal, lived in trees.
And once, once our ancestor was able to walk upright, that
allowed the spinal column to support a a bigger head, a
heavier head because it has a bigger brain in it.
And also when humans started cooking their own, cooking their

(01:41:31):
food instead of eating raw meat,and that that was a huge
increase in protein and different really beneficial
nutrients that other animals just simply don't get because
they're, they don't know how to cook their food.
And I think that was also part of the why we developed bigger
and more complex brains, becausethe the thing that makes us

(01:41:53):
different than other organisms is the size of the human brain.
What's interesting about that though is I mean I agree it's a
it's a new ability that's fantastic.
I'd love to cook steak, but I'veactually heard opposite to be
true, that when you cook your meat you lose most of the
nutrients and that the more raw you can keep it to, the more

(01:42:16):
nutrient filled it will be. Well, that may be true, like in
just comparing, you know, steak,but it's it's like eating
nothing but raw meat and raw plants versus being being able
to eat food that is cooked, you know, because it's also more

(01:42:38):
sanitary and you're less likely to eat sick from it.
So. Well, you know, vegetarian is
actually a Native American word for bad hunter.
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
I'm back, ladies and gentlemen, just to let you know.
Yep, Yep. Yep.
Hey, Brett. So yeah, I guess you were

(01:42:58):
listening to our duck intercourse conversation.
Yeah, both of it was very interesting.
Do you believe that it's possible, Mr. Junior, like what
he was talking about with the Ducks, Is it, do you believe
that under certain conditions ona lab that you could get the
same results of that duck? Because you know that a lot of

(01:43:19):
humans would appreciate the factof being able to deject the DNA
from going into them, right? Could you could you recreate it
in a lab? What do you what do?
You what do you believe it's? Possible to induce that you, you
probably heard of gene splicing,but do you think it's possible

(01:43:40):
to take the ability that a damn duck has to basically forcibly
get rid of that nastiness that'sbeen done on it?
And could it be done on humans? I've seen some weird things done
to splicing, you know, a spliciness.
Steven, have you ever heard of that term?
Splicing. Yeah, it's where they basically
take some pieces and material out of a creature and then they

(01:44:03):
attempt to put it into somethingelse.
Well, if you look at jeans splicing weird crap, I'll give
you an example of something you've probably seen that's very
common, like putting ears on theback of rats and stuff.
Also looking to remote control rats.
That's some of the weirdest, most morbids that I've ever seen
in my life. Have you ever seen remote
control rats before Junior? I've seen them do it with a

(01:44:26):
cockroach. Yeah, they hooked up this device
to a rat and did that, and somehow they managed to take a
dead cat and actually put a computer into it and made it
adapt to where they could see through the eyes of the cat on
their monitor. Creepy.
I don't. Where did they come up with this
stuff and what was the point of that?

(01:44:48):
I. Don't know, it kind of sounds
like RoboCop. It does, doesn't it?
You're talking about the original though, right?
Yeah, I just watched it the other day and thoroughly enjoyed
myself. The newer one's good, but it's
more based upon special effects.I like the more emotional
character building they did in the original.
They were better at that like then.
Yeah, I agree. So what do you think Steven?

(01:45:11):
Did you ever see remote controlled rats before?
I've never seen remote controlled rats or cockroaches.
That is really terrifying to me because they usually test those
things on mice and rats before us.
But, you know, end game. Well, that is a good point.
Elon's been wanting to put some weird digital stuff to our
brains. Of course, he claims for a

(01:45:34):
positive reason, to help out people communicate.
What do you think of that? Do you would you allow somebody
to plug a toaster into your headin order to try to get a
response? I mean, I, I, I volunteered to
be a Cyborg, but I, I know that the, the thing with the ears is
it, it can be done for a pretty good reason.

(01:45:56):
And I think it's like people whohave like, if they haven't, if
they have an ear chopped off or something, or people who they
can regrow like, you know, body parts and stuff that people like
people. No, wait a minute, you no way to
do that. I'll.
Appear to be a Cyborg. Why would you do that for don't
you realize you're not going to be able to feel and enjoy some
of the the fun things that adults do with each other if you

(01:46:17):
do that? Well, I'm talking about just
like it's not like body modifications like having like
steel fists or something or justlike not completely RoboCop, but
just like maybe like some cyber neck enhancements like
Cyberpunk, you know, if you playthat.
Enhancements, I get you, but you're not talking about like
full on RoboCop, because that seemed like that sucked to be

(01:46:40):
RoboCop. Yeah, he was.
He was having a hard time, especially when they tried to
erase his memories. Well a Cyborg is just a fusion
of human and machine, so it's made it.
It depends on what percentage you are of each one, but yeah.

(01:47:00):
Yeah, but still, it would be inconvenient for other people.
It's like those type of people out there like to wear earrings
all over their face. I can't imagine who would enjoy
kissing the can opener, but I guess some people got their
thing. Am I right, Stephen?
Goodness gracious, Steven said. I've had enough breaking.

(01:47:21):
I'm out of here now. He probably disconnected.
He'll be back. So what about you?
I mean, you know that obviously a lot of Christians out there,
they have their own views. Even though you may agree with
evolution or go along with it, surely there's got to be some
things about it that make you go.
I wonder what the deal is on this.

(01:47:42):
Maybe this isn't something you agree with or question.
Do you have anything like that or are you just full balls to
the wall? Yep, I believe it all.
Well, I I dislike that there is.I think there's some real
problems with the way that evolution is communicated to the

(01:48:02):
general public because, like, yeah, like Neil Shubin, who
discovered Tiktaalik and he wrote a book called Your Inner
Fish. And PC Myers has talked about
this as well where, you know, they talk about, oh, you know,
humans are, are actually a fish.There's they're actually fish.
If you look at the categories that a fish belongs to, humans

(01:48:24):
belong to those same categories.And while I understand that,
like what they're saying, it could, it could technically be
true, but I think when the average person hears that, it
just sounds really stupid. And I feel like it's
counterproductive towards getting people to, you know,
maybe be on board with the idea of, of evolution, biological
evolution, because they hear stuff like that.

(01:48:46):
And it's, you know, I just thinkit works against what people are
trying to do. So I I'm not a big fan of that.
I used to enjoy listening to Richard Dawkins back in the day
before he was thrown under the bus by the feminist movement.
I would listen to him. I enjoyed it and all that.
But there were sometimes where like he's got this video where

(01:49:08):
he comes out holding this littledevice and he goes, my great,
great grandfather was a fish and, and we are fish too.
And I'm like, Oh my goodness. I mean, even if you believed in
it, it sounds like you're listening to a damn Disney
flick. It was just, wow, he actually
put that out there like that. So I get what you're saying.

(01:49:28):
They need to express it a littlebit more clearer and better what
they're getting at. Yeah, and it's like the there's
the the using the word scientific theory.
I mean that that's caused like so much confusion over the years
of people who are, you know, thescientists use theory in a
certain way. But the the colloquial or like
the on the street version is a different thing.

(01:49:50):
And so many people will who, youknow, maybe you don't like, they
aren't that educated in science yet.
Like they'll say, oh, evolution is just a theory.
Well, yeah, it's a theory, just like germ theory and atomic
theory. Those are all good theories, you
know, But the word, it's not a great word because it's, it's

(01:50:11):
just so, so easy for people to get confused by it, you know, So
I think there, I think there's definitely some, some problem
with science communication that,you know, they need to make
things palatable to the general public if they want people to
get on board with, you know, learning and supporting science
and, and STEM fields and all that.

(01:50:32):
And I do think there's some problems with the old
communication. I, I feel the same way about
some atheists too, the way they talk to Christians.
Some of the things they say bothers me or just annoys me.
Well, give me some examples of some of the things that gets on
your nerves well. Like, like the, I think that the
whole flying Spaghetti monster thing is really, I just find it

(01:50:53):
very cringy. I, I, I don't like that.
And then there's so many times when I've seen atheists and
they're talking to a Christian and like Matt Dillahunty is
guilty of this. And he'll say like, Oh, well,
you know, you have your, you claim that's, you know, you have
your God from the Bible and thatJesus, you know, died and was

(01:51:15):
crucified and all that. I could make a claim that a
magic Pixies fly out of my butt and blah, blah, blah, and all
this. And I just like, I don't know, I
just think that that's cringy because it's like it's kind of
disrespectful to the person they're talking to, you know,
And it just, I don't, I don't really get down with that.
I'd rather sort of, I don't know, I just find it kind of
rude and stupid. So you you actually you

(01:51:37):
empathize with religious folks even though you may not agree.
You don't want people to feel like awkward or uncomfortable or
being treated like less than human over it or demonized.
Yeah, like I, I, I don't want tolike outright, but be
disrespectful to somebody if I can help it, you know, because

(01:51:57):
I've definitely had debates overthe years where I, I can get
heated at the end and I, I, you know, and I get mad and I always
regret it, you know? So I, I tried to engage people
on their level, but, you know, you can't, There are some people
that you can't really do that with.

(01:52:17):
But yeah, a lot of a lot of atheists, they they have that
sort of they come up a little bit arrogant, I think.
Why do you? I'll tell you one of the big
things that bugged the hell out of me whenever I was a non
believer. It was when Satanist came out
and started saying that they were atheists and all that.

(01:52:39):
I was like, why are you pushing that?
Because I knew that some Satanists were actually theistic
where they actually did believe in God.
They just weren't happy with them and they believed in the
devil, that he was a good guy. And when I seen non believers
doing that, that was like that, that's well, that was something
I didn't want to get into because I didn't want to go into

(01:52:59):
Christian rooms having discussions and then them ask me
how long I've been worshipping Satan.
You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I think I'm going to
have to sign off. I'm pretty tired, to be honest.
I've enjoyed our conversation though.
I enjoyed our conversation too, and I will try to open up more

(01:53:23):
rooms. If you want to be involved in a
talk with us. It's cool.
I hope that you can walk away from this considering a little
bit. Even though we talked more about
science issues as opposed to theology, We can do that next
time if you like, but it was nice having you.
I, I think that I may have, I'm going to say this publicly.
I would you like me to remove the two videos where I was a bit

(01:53:46):
rough and hasty on you 'cause I think I might have misjudged
you. If you, if you want, you know
that's it's probably probably for the best, you know.
Well, I, I know that other Youtubers, once they make a
video calling you a snot rag or whatever, they'll keep it up
because they'll get the views out of that.
But that's I, I don't want videos up that just remind

(01:54:08):
people and starve people with drama.
You seem like a nice fella. Whatever your issue is with
Kent, I hope you work it out oneday.
But as far as I'm concerned I don't have no issue with you.
I actually enjoy talking to you and I'd like to see you again.
So I will remove the videos immediately after getting off
the show. I got too much lag at the moment
though. Oh, I appreciate that.

(01:54:29):
Well, if you, if you go to my channel, if you look at the
newest video I uploaded, I actually had a a phone call with
Kent the other day That was it was real cordial and Kent was
actually pretty polite to me. So you know well.
Hopefully, hopefully you and himcan work out your differences
and issues and then maybe you'll, you'll, you know, do

(01:54:50):
what I'm going to do. I'm going to remove the videos
where I was harsh to you. You didn't deserve it.
You're obviously a nice guy and I went off the rails of the
crazy train on that. I'm so used to some people on
these things being exactly like the atheist you described.
And it's clear that you have empathy and you actually want to
have a good conversation. You're not just looking to

(01:55:12):
humiliate and embarrass people. So that's cool.
Thank you for coming and sweet dreams I'll.
Probably put this video on my channel if that's OK because.
Sure, sure. You're more than welcome to
anytime, any. I'm going to put it out of here
right now publicly, anytime you are involved in the discussion
or you feel like there's some interesting points you'd like to

(01:55:34):
discuss, you are more than welcome at any time to take the
video and put it over there. I'm giving you voiced permission
even though you don't require it, all right?
All righty. Well, I appreciate that and you
have a good day. I'll see you around.
All right, see you later, man. All right, I'm going to only

(01:55:57):
stick open for a few more minutes.
If anybody has something they want to say or that you've got a
point to make, you got like 3 minutes.
I'm going to go over and get ridof the junior videos that I put
up recently. So if you're wondering where
they are, I feel like me and himhave put that nonsense behind us
and we can try to build better communication, more positive.

(01:56:21):
I don't want drama videos on my channel and stuff.
And I'm glad we were able to work this cordially.
OK, let's see that one and that one.
There we go. Let me go ahead and delete that.
Let's see. Oh, so much lag.

(01:56:43):
OK. And they are in the process of
being deleted. That is the end of that.
Very good. Thank you for coming in.
Are you sure anybody else even in the text?
Does anybody have any questions?Do you have anything you want to
say? Let's see.
We got somebody says have a niceday.

(01:57:04):
Brett, AJ and Steven. I don't know what happened to
Steven. He might have got raptured up
and I got left for the tribulation.
All right, that is that. OK, Let's see if we got any good
outros in this bad boy. I wish I could do that.

(01:57:36):
I would scare the neighbors. All right.
God bless.

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