Selective Memories: “I Remember Mama” (1948)

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For as long as I could remember, the house on the
Larkin Street Hill had been home.
Papa and Mama had both beenborn in Norway, but they came to
San Francisco because Mama'ssisters were here.
All of us were born here.
All of us were born here.

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Nell is the oldest and the onlyboy, my sister Christine, and
the littlest sister, Dagmar.
But first and foremost Iremember Mama.

Tony Maietta (00:46):
Hello,

Brad Shreve (00:50):
And I'm Brad Shreve , who's just a guy who likes
movies.

We discuss movies and television from Hollywood's
golden age.
We go behind the scenes andshare our opinions too.

And, of course, being the average guy, my
opinions are the ones thatmatter.

As does your self-delusion.
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Tony, we're approaching the beginning of the
month and I need to know do wehave enough to pay for
podcasting bills?

Yeah, how much is the bills?

Well, our podcasting host.
They are charging us 45 cents amonth 45 cents for the
podcasting host.
Yeah.
And to get on the internet iscosting us 27 cents a month 27
for the interwebs, yeah.
And we might need some newequipment.

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I was thinking we might have toget a couple of microphones
yeah, a couple of microphonesare getting.
Am I being too extravagant?

Oh, it's new.
How much for the new equipmentMicrophone 30 cents each one.

30 cents 14.
Are we going to have to go tothe bank?
No, yeah yeah, 14.

No, yeah, it's good, it's good.
Are we going to have to go tothe bank?
No, yeah, yeah, 14.
No, yeah, it's good, it's goodwe do not have to go to the bank
.

Brad, yeah, and do you promise me you're not going
to talk this way through thewhole thing?

Yeah, yeah, brad, yeah, promise, I can't, I can't
help it, I can't help it, Ican't help it.
It gets in my blood.
Well, everybody in case you'rewondering what the hell you just
listened to it's week two ofour Mother's Month have to issue
an apology, as I frequently doto you, because I switch stream,

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I switch movies on yourmidstream again, listener, I do
this frequently to Brad.

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I say, okay, we're going torecord this, we're going to
record this, and then, like fourdays before we record, I'm like
, can we record this instead?

Yes, he does that more than I am scurrying to find
the films and then try to findtime before we record.
So I appreciate yourflexibility with that.
Brad oh, I'm known to beflexible.

Well, okay, I'm known to be flexible.
Well, okay, yeah, the reasonwas because, after Ordinary
People last week, our firstmovie for Mother's May I thought
, gosh, this is actually ourMother's Day episode.
It's going to be.
If everything goes according toplan, it should drop after
Mother's Day.
So it's our Mother's Dayepisode and we had a kind of a
snarky one scheduled and I justthought you know, mother's Day,

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I mean, I think about my motherevery day.
I don't want to be snarky, Iwant to be sentimental and
loving and I want to do thatkind of film.
So that's why I asked if wecould switch it to.
I Remember Mama.

So, thank you, we're not going to give you the
name of the other one, but thinkof Mother's Day and snarky, so
you may get it.
Yeah, not too hard.

We might do it someday too.

Yes, exactly, I mean we might do it for
Halloween.

You know it's a better Halloween choice actually
.

That is actually a better Halloween choice.

Yes, it is, but I also recommend we do this with a
bit of trepidation, because thelast George Stevens film we
talked about was Alice Adams andit didn't go over so well with
Brad, so I'm wondering how thisone is going to play out.

I'm girded for this one, Brad.
Well, before we do that, I wantto talk about what this movie
is about.
So people know why you weretalking in that accent.

Yes.

This movie, as you said, came out in 1948.
Other big movies at that timethere aren't any that really
will punch people like wow, Iremember that great film, the
Red Shoes, is probably the onepeople know most.
I can't say for sure Red Riverwas number two, the Pale Face,
then Johnny Belinda.
Easter Parade, the ThreeMusketeers is probably another

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one people will remember.
Those are the top six.

Yeah, I'd say so.

I'd say that's up there, yeah, so nothing that
like is a 1948 film based on the1944 play which is based on the
1943 fictionalized memoir byCatherine Forbes, which was

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called Mama's Bank Account, andwhat Tony was quoting there,
with the different prices, has alot to do with Mama and her
running the house to do withmama and her running the house
and what the well I'm.

I'm kind of hoping that people have seen the movie
before they listen to us, sothey know what that was.

All we're jogging their memory though okay okay,
that's true, that's true, andthis is a very simple film to
describe.
It's a slice of life of anorwegian family in 1910, san
francisco.
Now, I never heard them mentionthe year, but that's the number
I keep.

I saw an imdb in some other places.

So we'll say 1910.
Yeah, francisco, now I neverheard them mention the year, but
that's the number I saw at IMDband some other places.
So we'll say 1910.
Yeah, I think that's safe toassume it's about the family,
but it really focuses on themother.
Mama, and she runs the homelike a military platoon but is
very loving and kind because herhusband does absolutely nothing
.
I'll tell you that Just a niceguy.

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They have four children and weare seeing this movie from
Catrin's viewpoint.
We see her both as an adult asin a child, or a teenager, I
guess.
And I have to tell you I'lltell you about my relationship
with her in just a moment- yourrelationship with the actress or
with the character, the actress.

Okay.
Yes yes, yes, the actress issomewhat well-known.

Well, but I was really messed up.

Okay.

I saw Barbara Bel Geddes.

Yes.

And I'm watching this movie and I'm like which
one is Barbara Bel Geddes?
And I kept asking that when itwas over Maurice goes, it was
thedes.
And when I kept asking thatwhen Maurice, when it was over
Maurice goes, it was thedaughter, and I said that wasn't
the daughter, maybe it was theolder daughter.
He said the daughter and theolder daughter were the same
people.
They just had makeup.
I'm like that looked nothinglike her.
I thought the whole time I waslooking at B Bernadette.

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Really, I don't know why.
I heard Barbara Belettys andfor some reason my mind went to
be you were looking for cousinPearl.
I was the whole time.
I'm like she looked reallydifferent.
And then I started adding upthe numbers and I'm like, no,
because B Bernadette was in herfifties and she was doing radio
shows in as an adult.
Yeah, this isn't making, thisisn't adding up.

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So I did look and she was bornlike 15, 20 years before Irene
Dunn, who was the mother, andBarbara.
Actually, I'm sorry, she wasborn about 15, 20 years before
Barbara Bel Geddes, who was in ahost of movies and is most
known for the Matriarch onDallas.
That's Barbara.

Bel Geddes, not Bea Benederat.

Yes, yes, bea Benederat, who I always get her
name wrong.
She is most known for CousinPearl and then also Petticoat
Junction.

Yes, barbara Bel Geddes plays Catherine, the
oldest daughter who tells us thestory of Mama.
She's the writer and she is theone who's remembering Mama in
the story.
So, yes, you have that castright.
And I tell you, one of the mainreasons I wanted to do I
Remember Mama, besides the factthat I find it a very
sentimental, loving film was isIrene Dunn, because I was

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thinking about it.
I'm thinking we have been doingthis podcast.
Now this we're in our secondseason, we're a little ways into
our second season and I don'tthink we've ever talked about
Irene Dunn and I thought howweird is that?
Because Irene Dunn was one ofthe biggest stars of the golden
age of Hollywood.
And then I thought, well, no,it's actually kind of indicative
of her status these days,because I don't think anybody

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knows who Irene Dunn is.
Did you know who Irene Dunn wasbefore we did this?

I knew her name for sure.
I immediately recognized hername and then I said I'm going
to look up what movies she wasin.
And I knew the movies but I'mlike, wow, I remember her
starring in that film.
None of them were like reallymemorable to me as her in that
role.
Really, maybe I'd have to lookagain, maybe I'm wrong, but what
I saw I didn't see.

I didn't see anything that said wow I mean,
she was one of the biggest stars, one of the top female box
office stars in the 30s and 40s.
The thing about Irene Dunn wasthat she could do anything.
Now I kind of compare her toher frequent co-star, cary Grant
.
One of the films that she madewith Cary Grant is one of the

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greatest screwballs of all time,which is the Awful Truth.
And the thing about Irene Dunnwas that she was incredibly
versatile, but she wasincredibly skilled in that
versatility.
I mean, in the golden age ofHollywood, actors pretty much
had to do everything.
I mean, they all did comedies,they all did dramas, many of

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them did musicals even thoughthey couldn't sing.
So I I mean, like Joan Crawfordmade musicals, but that doesn't
mean she was good at it.
Irene Dunn was good.
Her versatility was astounding.
She did comedies, as I said,the Awful Truth, theodora Goes
Wild, Easy Living.

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She had a young co-star whofreely admitted later in life
that she based much of her comicstyle on Irene Dunn, and that
young co-star was a woman namedLucille Ball, just saying, and
later on Love Affair, againMusicals.
She played Magnolia in the 1936film of Showboat.

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She was actually on stage inthat and she did action films A
Guy Named Joe with Spencer Tracy, so she was incredibly
accomplished and good at all ofit.

That's what's so wonderful about Irene Dunn.
Yeah, I'm looking at herfilmography now Again.
I don't see anything that makesme thrilled, but I see that she
was in uh and in the king ofsiam and in the king of siam not
the musical version though, butnot the king and I.

She was in the the , the straight version, if you
will, of that story.
But yes, it's just a singing.
It was ironic about it is irenedunn was a trained operatic
singer, a little bit likemadeline khan.
She could have done opera.
I mean, showboat is you know,it's an operetta.
There's arguments that it's anoperetta.
Beautiful voice and it's funnybecause in almost every Irene

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Dunn film there is there's amoment where she sings, her
character sings.
For some reason she sings inthis film.

Yes, she does, and you can.

you know, and I'm like, if this Norwegian woman
was in this hospital singingwith this kind of a voice, she
wouldn't stay in San Franciscoas a Norwegian housekeeper, I
mean, she'd be on her way.

No, it's a beautiful voice and I just
noticed this.
I didn't notice this before.
The year before this film shewas in Life with Father, which
the whole time I was watchingthis film I was thinking this
reminds me of Life with Father,but from the mother.
They're kind of bookends they.
This reminds me of Life withFather, but from the mother's
point of view they're kind ofbookends.

They're kind of bookends, yeah.
Yeah, it's funny because shewas so gifted and Cary Grant
said that she had the besttiming of anyone he ever worked
with.
So that's pretty remarkablewhen Cary Grant is saying that
your comic timing is better thananybody he's ever worked with.
So what was wonderful about,what's wonderful about Irene
Dunn?
Many things, and I'll talk alittle bit more about her later.

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But what's wonderful aboutIrene Dunn is that she brings
that lightness of touch, thatcomedic lightness, to everything
, even her heaviest dramas.
That's what makes them sowonderful.
That's how I feel about thisfilm.
This film could be very heavyif they had the wrong actress,
but Irene Dunn has such awonderful light touch.

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She's so subtle and real.
There's just a lightness aboutit which makes it a really
wonderful performance.

Yeah, it could be more like Life of Father, where
she's very stern and, like youknow I said, she runs it like a
platoon, but a very soft way.
You never doubt that she isvery loving and very sweet.
It could have the wrong hands.
It could have been totally adifferent film.

Right, yeah, and you know she was pretty much
universally considered one ofthe finest actresses in
Hollywood history, who never wonan Oscar.
She's right up there with CaryGrant, garbo, barbara Stanwyck,
deborah Carr, peter O'Toole.
She was nominated five timesand never won, and the real
reason for that is, like Grantand Stanwyck, irene Dunn was a

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true trailblazer.
She went freelance in 1936.
So she was not tied to anystudio, which at that time was
incredibly brave.
Now that's how Hollywood is runnow no one's tied to a studio.
But this is the studio eraafter all.
So that meant she was gettingher own work or her agent was
getting her own work, and it'svery brave.

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But the downside of that isthat when it came time for Oscar
nominations, she didn't have astudio support to push her
through.
So she lost five times becauseshe didn't have that studio
backing.
Same thing with Cary Grant,same thing with Barbara Stanwyck
they didn't have that studiosupport and that's one of the
big reasons why they never wonOscars.

Yeah, I was surprised that she had not won
any.
Actually, this film there werefive nominations, but there were
some great actors and actresses.

There were yeah, it was.
It was nominated for fiveOscars.
You're absolutely right.
And you know one of thosesupport, you're talking about
Barbara Bel Geddes, and you'retalking about, kind of like, a
TV icon.
There was another.
Tv icon in this movie.
Did you recognize?

her right away.
Ellen Corby.

Yes.

She looks when she got older.
She didn't change her look inany way, just a few more lines.

Ellen corby, one of those actresses who was born
at 45 and stayed 45 yes, exactlyuntil she turned into grandma
walton yeah she was grandmawalton.

She was in almost all the seasons.
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

But I mean think about that, how long she worked
before she got that worldwidefame.
But she was nominated for anoscar this as Best Supporting
Actress.
So you know, not too bad, nottoo bad.
She did a lot of work in the40s and 50s, which we'll talk
about Her filmography was reallylong.

It goes from 1928 to 1997.
That's almost 70 years.

Yeah, she worked for a long time, a long time.
Yeah, she did, but I did wantto talk a little bit about what
you were talking about, thehistory of this story I remember
mama.
As brad said, it's based on abook, uh, by katherine forbes
called mama's bank account,which was then turned into a
play called I remember mama, byjohn van druten.
And here's an interesting bitof trivia uh, it was the first

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broadway role of a certain actornamed marlon brando I heard
that yes he played Nels the son,yeah, and he hated every minute
of it.

This doesn't seem like a role for Brando.

Well, he was a kid , so he was just out of school,
so I mean he was very young.
And then Mama has one of theseproperties which has so many
iterations, it just keeps ongoing.
It was made into a tv series inthe 50s that was shot live and
then taped its final year.
Um, it was turned into amusical.
It was actually richard rogerslast musical starring live

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allman and, uh, it lasted about100 performances.
It was not.
It was very sad and to richardro career and it's known in
theatrical circles as IDismember Mama, so that gives
you an idea.
It closed after 108performances, but they were all
the same variant Recount of theeveryday struggles of this
Norwegian immigrant family inSan Francisco, which I

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personally found incrediblycharming.
So I'm girding myself right now, brad, let me have it.
What did you think of thismovie?

Okay, Well, you know, you said I Dismember Mama.

Yeah.

There was actually a 1972 film called I Dismember
Mama.

It was a low-budget horror film.

I wish we had watched that.

Happy Mother's Day .

This let me just say after this film you know,
folks, when I make a suggestion,tony's like.
When he makes a suggestion, Isay sure, because I'm like,
whatever I haven't seen thatlet's go for it.
Tony, if I recommend Howard theDuck which I would never
recommend if I recommend Howardthe Duck, you have no right to
say no, oh come on, it wasn'tthat bad.

Oh, it was awful, tony oh my God, okay, okay, okay
, let's reel it back, let's reelit back, let's reel it back.
All right, I know.

I hate to bust your bubble here.

No, no, no, I understand it.
You know, I mean I've beenreally lucky lately.
I mean you loved my Best Girl,you loved the Little Foxes.
So I was preparing myself whenI saw George Stevens, first of
all, because for some reason youjust don't get George Stevens.
So I was like, okay, but I waspreparing myself.
I know it's long, I know it's along film and I thought about
that too.
I'm like wow, it's over twohours.

It is very long film.

And I'm like, but I'm not really sure what scene I
would cut.
What I love about this film isthe performances.
I think Irene Dunn is fabulousin this film and I also love the
sentimental.
I don't disagree, I love thesentimental view that Stevens
gives it.
I just want to say that when wetalked about the other film,

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Alice Adams, I mentioned,Stevens stopped making comedies
when he came back from World WarII.
I think he said you know, Idon't think I was ever funny
again after, because he wasrecruited by Eisenhower to head
a special coverage unit and theyrecorded footage of the war,
including the only color film ofthe war in Europe, and he
documented the Normandy landingand liberation of Paris.

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And he was also the first filmunit at Dachau two days after
the Allies liberated it.
So he documented theseatrocities and he was very
shaken by what he saw.
So when he came back toHollywood to make films again he
didn't know what to do and hethought I don't want to deal
with the present right now, Iwant to deal with the past.
I want to go back to my past,and George Stevens is from the

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Bay Area.
He grew up at the very sametime, so this was kind of his
sentimental recollection of whathis life was like as a child.
Now he's not from Norway, butthat was his escape from what he
had just gone through.
So then he could move onforward to direct A Place in the
Sun and Giant and these othericonic films which, by the way,

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we will never watch.
Now I'm not going to give you APlace in the.

Sun, you said I don't understand or I don't get
George Stevens.

Yeah.
I would if he was good, don't,don't, don't, don't, don't.
Okay, we're going to reel itback in again.
So, yeah, I understand whatyou're saying.
It's long, but what was itexactly that you didn't respond
to in this film?
Because, don't you think someof these stories were charming

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and the performances were verygreat?
I had one I wasn't realthrilled with, which we'll get
to in a moment.

I love the cast.
I just didn't care because I'vewatched slice of life films
before.
I was trying to think of someoff the top of my head and I
can't.
There's not a traditional storyarc, it's just here's the day
in the life.

And.

I've enjoyed them, this family.
I couldn't have cared less whathappened with it.
It was just like I'm like thisis the most boring family I've
ever seen.
I kept waiting for something tohappen.
I mean, like there were aspectsof each scene that were
interesting yeah but it justwent nowhere.
I mean, other than the daughtermade a ridiculous amount of
money at the end, what'd you get?

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$500 for a short story.

Okay, but here's my question for you then what do
you think a slice of life is?
It's a slice of daily life.
It's what these Norwegianimmigrants dealing with living
in a new country.
This is what they went throughin their life.

And that is what a slice of life story is, but I
wanted to watch a slice ofsomebody's life that is
interesting.

Well, we'll agree to disagree.
I mean, I don't, as I said,it's my suspicions that you
might find that, especiallybecause it is a long movie, but
my hope was that you would seethe sentiment, you'd see the
charm of it, some of the scenesof San Francisco, because they
went on location in SanFrancisco and shot a lot of
scenes in San Francisco and wetalked about San Francisco in

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what's Up Doc and we talkedabout how San Francisco still is
and was then especially in 1948, was kind of like an
otherworldly place.
And so you have these peoplecoming from another world into
another world.
They're emigrating into theUnited States or immigrating
into the United States fromanother country and they're in
the United States but they're ina different country.
In the United States.

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They're all together, the auntsare all there, uncle Chris.
So they're very insulated intheir own world, in this kind of
strange San Francisco world.
So I kind of love that.
I kind of.
I love the shots Stevens has ofthe fog coming in and it seems
like you're on another planet,and those hills, the way they
run down the hills, and the windseems like it's going to blow
them over.
I don't know, I just find it.

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I find it incrediblycaptivating a slice of Norwegian
life.

There are aspects of it, I don't disagree.
I there are aspects of it, Idon't disagree.
There's so much I could haveliked about this film, but I
just kept waiting for somethingand it's just like, okay, we're
going to do this thing and thenthey just do that thing.
I felt like it wasn't humor.
I mean, there was a little bitof humor in here, but I felt
like it was a Saturday NightLive skit.

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That was flat.

You didn't like I have to chloroform a cat.
That was the funniest thing.

I'm not gonna say there weren't funny moments in
it or the characters there werevery charming moments in it, but
the three aunts aunt trina,aunt jenny and aunt sigrid.

Do you remember her?
In rope, edith evanston playsaunt sigrid, one of the three,
one of mama's three sistersthese aunts.

I was wondering where I knew her from.

She played the maid in Rope the following year,
along with Sir Cedric Harwick,who plays Mr Hyde, their boarder
.
So yeah, I love the aunts.
I think the aunts are so funny.
The film starts because EllenCorby's character Aunt Trina is
going to get has been proposedto I couldn't think of the word
for a minute there by MrTorkelson.

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Mr Torkelson, who is anundertaker, poor undertakers.
Did you recognize the actor?
This is probably a crazyquestion to ask you.
Who played Mr Torkelson?

You know what I didn't?
I knew he was in this film andit was over.
I'm like where was Edgar Bergen?
I don't remember seeing him.
Yeah, he played Mr, I guessbecause he wasn't dressed like I
was used to seeing him.
I I don't know.
He looked very different to me.
Yeah, I was really surprisedbecause I'm like who is that
actor the whole time through themovie yes, it was edgar bergen,
absolutely.

And rudy valley, who was a heartthrob of the 20s
and 30s on radio, was also.
He played the doctor, a veryunusual role.
Another one of the Oscarnominations was for uh, at the
actor Oscar Homica, who playsuncle Chris, and now he actually
did the role on Broadway.
He was repeating his Broadwayrole.
He also got an Oscar nomination.
So five Oscar nominations, brad, and you still hate this movie,

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hey.

I have to admit I looked at rotten tomatoes.
The critics score was a hundredpercent.
The audience score was 84%.
I think there was like a massneurosis or something going on.
Somebody drank the Kool-Aid.
Yes, I don't know what it was,because I just….

Somebody drank some of Uncle Chris's vodka.

I saw wonderful moments in different scenes, but
I didn't see great scenes and Ididn't see anything that tied
together in a way that I foundit interesting.
I loved the characters.
Now, the two aunts I hatedtheir guts, but you were kind of
supposed to, yes yes, you aresupposed to.
I loved Ellen Corby's character.
I was sad for her because shewas such a doormat.

But in the end she ends up with a maid to help her
serve her anniversary dinner.

I mean that's, I was very happy about that, she
was very happy about that.

Yeah, I like Aunt Yenny.
Aunt Yenny is played by HopeLand and she's that big mountain
of a woman.
Oh my goodness.

You know, I thought she was the large maid that was
in Mary Poppins.
And I looked at him like verysimilar, very similar.
Then I looked I'm like oh no,she's way too old for that.
And yeah, they don't look thesame, so, but they kept showing
her from the side and I keptthinking that was her yeah, it's
, it's very similar.

it's a very comic role.
She is pretty much thebulldozer through that, through
of the ants, she's the leader,she's the one who's always
charging them up that hill andthen charging them down that
hill, and I just think it'sfunny.
I understand the episodicnature of this film is
problematic for some people,clearly, but what I love about

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it is to me it's littlesnapshots of a life, a life
which I will never know butwhich I can get glimpses of.
I will never be a Norwegianimmigrant living in 1910 San
Francisco, unfortunately.
It actually sounds like it'd bea lot of fun, but a little bit
better than life is right now.

But I really.
And it was four years after theearthquake, so everything would
have been new.

Exactly.
But I really think that that'swhat's charming about this movie
is there are little snapshotsof parts of this life she's
remembering in her memory andagain the title is telling you I
Remember Mama.
This is a very it's a verysentimental take, but it's also
a memory take.
Barbara Bel Geddes, who playsCatherine, is telling us this

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story from the beginning to theend, you know, and she looks in
the mirror and she remembers.
So it's going to be verysentimental, it's going to be
very much of a memory play.
And what Stevens does?
You know we talked aboutStevens in his silent film
training.
He actually did comedies.
He worked with Laurel and Hardyand he worked with our gang.
He was Hal Roach's cameramanand he uses extreme close-ups

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for comic effect, particularlyof Uncle Chris and Aunt Yenny,
and he also uses them to showthe naive, childlike qualities
of the children, particularlyBarbara Belgetti's character.
And Stevens is a master.
He's known for his extremeclose-ups.
He does famous ones in thePlace in the Sun and More the
Merrier.
So I love the fact that this isa very subjective film.

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We are definitely watchingsomebody's memory, somebody's
personal memory of exactly whather life was like as a child.
I find it incredibly moving.

I do Part of the reason.
I was really interested in Mamaand they kept going in
different directions.
They kept going Sorry, I can'tremember her name Ellen Corby's
character, aunt Trina.
Aunt Trina, okay, they would gooff to her for a while and then
they spent so much time onUncle Chris, the one played by
Oscar Homolka Oscar Homolka.
Every time he walked on the setI'm like get this man off.

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I hate him, but don't.
He's obnoxious, he's disgusting.

And not in a good way, but don't.
And she's remembering UncleChris as this terrifying man
with the mustache.
So that's what.
As I said, it's a memory.
It's a very subjective take onsomeone's childhood.
If you were telling somebody astory from your life, your
childhood, I bet you would makethe characters in your memory as
extreme.
Because you're telling a story,you're remembering it, it's

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subjective.
You see what I'm saying.

Yes.

Okay, I do see what you're saying.
I'm not trying to change yourmind about this film, but what
I'm saying is that I'm justtrying to illuminate a little
bit about what.
Stevens was trying to accomplishin this the chloroform cat
scene.
So what happens is that one ofthe children's cats has just
been in a fight and he doesn'tlook like he's going to survive

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the night, and Mama and Papahave the very difficult decision
that they're going tochloroform the cat.
Now, I'm telling you right now,in this story, as I'm telling
you this, chloroforming a catdoes not sound like a comic
scene, but it's done with such alight touch and they don't know
how to do it and they're verynervous.
The cat survives, by the way,what ended up happening was the

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chloroform gave him a reallygood night's sleep.
So he woke up the next morningand he was fine.
But I think that's a really—Inever thought a scene about
chloroforming a cat would befunny, but Stevens gives it a
comic edge which makes itactually one of the comic
highlights of this film, don'tyou think?

Yes, I, I I'm not going to argue that there
weren't funny, cute moments inthis film, but I'm going to give
you.
I don't want to tear this filmapart, but I'm going to give you
an example.
Hopefully this will help.
Okay, why I wasn't happy withthis film.
The scene where the thehospital would not let her go
visit her daughter who just hadsurgery.
Right, uh, because they'rethey're not allowed, and

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considering there's a whole wardfull of children that you can
spread disease, I understand whynobody's allowed to go in there
, yeah, but so she sneaks intothe um the closet and puts on
the for like I, the maids scrubwoman, the maid.
Yeah, scrub, scrub, I was tryingnot to use the term because I
was trying to think of a betterterm.
I think of maid as a household.

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So anyway she, she dressed upas a scrub woman and was on the
floor scrubbing the floor.
Uh, the nurse on duty hadn'tseen her before, so she thought,
okay, she's a scrub woman.
And then the nurse who told hershe can't go back there saw her
, but didn't really see her face, so she just kind of right
cocked her head and moved on andthen so she did this.

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She finally goes in and talksto her daughter, and this is
where she sings.
Her voice is just amazing.

Irene Dunn yes, she sends all the children to
sleep and she leaves.

That scene could have been and I'm not talking
about it had to be riveting, butit could have been more
dramatic or more humorous.

Instead, it was just like huh yeah you don't
think it was touching when thechild woke up and saw her mother
at her bedside in a hospitalhanding her her little?
Animal that didn't, that didn'tstir your heart, brad, it's.

She's her mother, it's mother's day it takes more
than that to pull myheartstrings.
I guess, so you were tough.
Maybe it would have if themoment up to that and the moment
after that I found entertaining.

Right.
So, the drama that Irene Dunnwas going through because she
promised her daughter she wouldsee her after her operation and
she was unable to see herbecause the doctors wouldn't let
her.
So the fact that she thendisguises herself as a scrub
woman this sounds like a Lucyskit, but she disguises herself
as a scrub woman to sneak intothe ward of the hospital so her

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daughter sees her, so herdaughter knows she's there.
You don't find thatheartwarming.
You don't find that moving.

I, you know, I really felt for her when she
couldn't go visit her daughter.
I got that.
I hurt for her but, like yousaid, I wouldn't want it to be
as kooky as Lucy, but it couldhave been a funny scene.

Well, Lucy would have ended up with her foot in
the bucket.
But it's not supposed to befunny, it's supposed to be
moving.
I know, yeah, it's supposed totug at your heartstrings, your
sentimental heartstrings.
I don't argue with you thatthis is a very sentimental film.
What I love about this film isin its sentimentality.
I find a reality, I find atouching, a touch point.

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You know, because of Irene Dunn.
Honestly, If you think about it, she could have really been an
over-the-top Norwegian woman,but Dunn is so subtle and so
real in everything.
She does not just this film, Inscrewball comedy.
She has a reality which isreally startling and wonderful

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and that's the way I feel abouther.
In this.
You feel everything that thiswoman feels because Dunn is so
simple.
She's so simple in hermovements and Dunn will do
things like she'll talk underher breath.
You know, like we do in reallife.
Her words will sometimes trailoff, like we do in real life.

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Other actresses weren't doingthings like this and that's why
I find this so moving is becauseDunn is so real.
I immediately identify with it.
You see, this woman, this is ablack and white film, but to me
this woman is in living colorbecause of what Irene Dunn gave
her.

Okay, so let me give you the positives of this
film, because I don't want totrash it entirely, because I'm
not saying it was a bad film, itjust wasn't my film, because
obviously the critics disagreewith me and clearly you do.

Well, I mean just for Mother's Day.
So for the people who were likeooh, wonder what they're going
to do for Mother's Day, so forthe people who were like ooh
wonder what they're going to dofor, Mother's Day.

Maybe I'll watch the movie they're going to talk
about.
For Mother's Day, I'm going togive a gift to Irene Dunn.
I thought she was incredible.
She was so good.
Here's the positive.
I loved her character.
I loved Barbara Belgetti'scharacter.
I really enjoyed her as, Iguess, a teenage girl I think
she was supposed to be younger.
She looked teenage to me.

Well, she starts out younger and then she becomes
.
The minute her hair goes up,you know she's an adult.
Yeah, and then she got to drinkcoffee she can drink coffee.
She got to drink coffee, yes.
She asks her mother when can Idrink coffee?
And she says Papa, and I willknow, because when you drank
coffee, norwegian culture thatmeant you were an adult and you
also put your hair up.

So I liked her.
I think they did a great job.
That, in the sense that Ibelieved this was a family, I
there was the antagonism, therewas the love.
I was watching real kidsinteracting with each other.
Maybe they were a littlesweeter on the real than a lot
of families are, but I it wasbelievable to me, so that I

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enjoyed.
I enjoyed that they had a lotof outdoor scenes and look like
old San Francisco and I reallyliked that.
I liked that they were.
I really got a taste of peoplethat were penny pinching back in
1910, which most people wereback then especially immigrants.
I enjoyed all that aspect, yes,and what I really enjoyed was

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when they were sitting there andSir Cedric Hardwick he was the
boarder at the house- yes.
That he would come down and hewould read the stories to the
family and I thought you knowthat's really nice.
Before radio and beforetelevision, the families, they
used to have to find ways toentertain themselves.
And that was certainly a niceway for them to enjoy each

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other's company more andinteract with the real person.
I thought all that wasbeautiful.
I've really enjoyed lots ofthis film.

How about when Mr Hyde, sir Cedric Hardwick, skips
out on them and leaves the badcheck for the months of rent he
owes this family?
And then Aunt Yenny comes upand says how could you let him
take advantage of you?
And he has left them his booksthat he's been reading to them.
And Irene Dunn says that'sworth more than any amount of

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money in the world.
I just was like oh, that's so,yeah, sentimental.
It's so sentimental as I'msaying it, I'm like it's so
sentimental, but it's sobeautiful, it's such a beautiful
moment.
She could be freaking out.
She doesn't have any money.
This guy just stiffed her formonths of rent and she's like
but what he's given us in lifeexperience is worth so much more

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than any amount of money.
Money be gone, but they havethis memory and they have the
books.
I love that.

I was heartbroken for her at that point and I a
little bit.
I mean I knew right away thecheck wasn't going to be any
good, so there wasn't like alike this shock, yeah.
So that was kind ofdisappointing, yeah, I think
what bothered me about hischaracter is we saw just enough
of him that I wanted to knowmore, yeah, and we never got
more, and I would rather he justbeen a real background

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character that we see walking inthe house and, oh my God, our
border just bailed on us.

Right.

Though I do think I understand that we got to enjoy
the family.
I understand his purpose, thatwe got to see the family huddled
together enjoying this manreading to them, because most of
them couldn't read at leastread English, right.
So I get all that.
Just, I don't know.
I just thought the pacing wastoo slow and I think there

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should have been someinterconnectivity between the
scenes.
Okay, didn't have to be.

It didn't have to be like a film today, but just a
little more well, I meanthere's a lot of films today
which are longer than this film.
I mean this film clocks in at,you know, two hours and some
change.
And I think that I mean I wasthinking about that.
I was like, okay, but whatscene would you cut?

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You know, if you're going totighten this up, would you cut?
I wouldn't want to cut thechloroform, the cat scene I
wouldn't want to cut.
You know, there's arguments madefor Uncle Chris, who is their
rich relative, who pretty muchsupports this family, who comes
down from up north.
He must live up.
I'm not thinking of my SanFrancisco geography, but he
lives up north of San Franciscoand he comes down a couple times

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a year, scares the hell out ofeverybody, gives them some money
, takes care of them and thendisappears again.
He's also a drinker, as allgreat Norwegian uncles are, and
disappears again.
He's also a drinker, as allgreat Norwegian uncles are.
And he comes down and then hedies about three quarters of the
way through the film and theyall go up to his farm of North
San Francisco to see him andit's the first time and that's

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when Barbara Belgetti'scharacter, katrin, sees him and
he dies and her mother says youhave to come in and look at him.
She sees him and he dies, andand her mother says you have to
come in and look at him.
She goes.
I don't want to, she goes.
I want you to do it.
So never be afraid again.
Which incredible loving thing.
Scary but loving.
So I'm thinking, would you takeout the scene where uncle Chris
died?
I don't know, I don't know it's.
It's to me it seems like, yes,it's long, but it never feels

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that long to me, and because I'mso charmed by these
performances and by this familyum, that I don't know what, what
I would cut out.
I think that it's it's long,but it needs to be the length.
It is, and it is a pace thatwe're not used to today.
That's true of many of thesefilms that we watch.
You know, my best girl has apace.

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It was a comedy, but it's.
It's a slower, it's.
Well, my best girl's not a good, not a good.
Uh, little foxes, little foxes,little foxes is slower than a
film that you would see today.
You know what I mean, but itkeeps you engaged, you know.
So you're not noticing that.
I understand what you're saying.
You really can't compare thiswith little foxes, other than
the fact that they're kind ofthey're both from the 40s, but

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the pace of life then the pacewe're so instant gratification
these days that you have to kindof put yourself back in the
mind of the 40s and then backeven further to 1910 and say,
well, but this was the pace ofthis life.
There was no television, therewas no radio, there was no
internet, god knows.
There were books and there werestories and that was how they

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filled their days.

So I get it, I understand what you're saying,
but I also think it's necessaryfor this film well I maybe I
would have liked it better if itwas done from katrina's point
of view because, like the wholescene with uncle chris, when he
is with the two girls and hesaid you're afraid of me and he
tries to entertain them to makethem not afraid of him, that was

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so excruciating long and Ifound it boring.
And I think if it was done morefrom the girl's point of view
of this scary man who suddenlybecomes silly and fun, maybe I
would have enjoyed it more.
But it wasn't.
To me it was like OK, we have ascene stuck here in the middle
of this movie which is reallylong and not that interesting
and I agree, I think, uncleChris's death scene I don't know

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if I would have cut it outbecause it was again it could
have been really a good growingmoment for the daughter.

Right.

But instead it was so long and so drawn out and
when he died and the mother andhis wife who nobody knew was his
wife stood there and justlooked at him for what seemed
like 35 minutes.
I mean, I you know and I canask you, I will say that when
she said I was really disturbed.
When she said I want you to gosee him.

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She said I want you to go seehim because my first interaction
with death this was long beforeI experienced death in my
family was I had a friend when Iwas maybe 10-ish and her father
had died and she said that hermother said she can't go look at
the father because she did notwant that to be the last memory
of the father.
And so when she said I want tocome in, I thought you know
that's terrible.
And then when she said he'ssmiling and I want you to not be

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afraid of it, I thought oh,that's really nice Again.
Yeah.
I liked that tender moment.
It's to me there were lots oftender moments, but they were
filled with lots of dull momentsin between.
Now you can ask me the question.

Well, I was going to say so.
Have you ever?
Have you ever been with anybodywhen they've left this earthly
realm?
Yes, I have.
And you didn't immediately say,okay, let's get out of here.
I mean you, you took it in,right, you stood there for a
while.
They stand there for a while.
They're, first of all, they'renot really sure he's dead, and
if you notice irene dunn's likeleaning in to make sure he's

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dead, and then they realize he'sdead, and then they turn and
they get their drink and theygive him a toast.
So I don't know that that's toolong.
I think maybe the scene itselfcould have been trimmed, but I
don't know that that'snecessarily too long of a moment
.
I think it's just right youstand there because you've just
had this incrediblyextraordinary event has just

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happened in front of your eyes.
Somebody has left this earthand you have to kind of say,
okay, that just happened.
Let me take a moment here andget my bearings, because my life
has just changed completely,and I think that's what they're
trying, what, what Stevens wastrying to show and what, what
Irene Dunn was showing was thatthis is a monumental thing.

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This man was the head of thefamily, you know for the family.
They all depended on him andnow he's gone.
He's.
This huge hole is now here.
So I feel like that's why thatscene was slow and I don't think
you could cut it.
I don't think there's anythingyou could cut in this movie to
make it shorter.
I think it's long, but it'snecessary to be long.

And it wasn't really pointed out directly, but
the fact that he had beenhelping them.
He owned a car, but when he gotto his farm it was pretty run
down, so he didn't really haveas much money as we thought in
the beginning.

Well, he had been sick for a while, so it had gone
downhill.
I'll tell you one thing I mightagree with you on something
that I thought was unnecessary.
After Uncle Chris dies, to methat feels like a normal climax.
But then the movie went on forabout 20 more minutes with
Catherine and her writing.

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Now I don't think it wasnecessary, for because Catherine
wants to be a writer.
Barbara Bel Getty is telling usthe story so clearly she made it
as a writer.
She's telling us this story andshe keeps getting rejected.
And so Mama sees there's an adin the paper for this famous
author who also likes food.

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So Mama says, oh, I might gether to read Catherine's
projected manuscripts.
And the author says to Mama totell Catherine to write what she
knows.
So she starts.
So she remembers Mama, so shewrites about her family.
So I don't know all that wasnecessary.

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There could have been a moreexpedient way, without going off
into this subplot about thisfamous author.
That I will agree with you on.
That was the moment I thoughtwe've just had the climax of the
drama Uncle Chris dying.
Yes, we've got to get to thepoint where we establish that
Barbara Bell Getty's character,catherine, becomes a writer
because she's been telling usthis whole story.
Maybe we don't need all thatexposition.

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Maybe we just can go torejected mama says write what
you know.
Look at me telling I'm like youknow, I'm, I'm advising these
screenwriters how to write thesemovies from 1948.
I don't know that'll give you.
I will give you that that sceneseemed extraneous.

I liked I like that whole storyline.
It was too long, too drawn out,but I actually like that.
That really showed againthroughout this film.
We saw how much.
Again throughout this film, wesaw how much love this mother
had for her children.
Sure, and I liked the author.
The snooty woman likegastronomy.

Yes so.

I enjoyed that.
It should have been in adifferent place, I agree,
because it was okay.
Well, here we have the author'sline, because we need to tie it
up, because we need to showthat she became a writer, yes,
and so I don't think it wasplaced in the right location and
I think it could have beentightened up a bit, but I
actually enjoyed that, I think,more than you did.
Oh well, there you go.

But I love the movie.

And, as I alluded to earlier, okay, now Grant $500
for a short story today.
I think I've gotten paid.
Maybe that for a short storyToday is about you're getting a
lot for short stories.
It was a lot of money Now Iunderstand.
Back 100 years ago, shortstories were much more popular
than they are today.
They would put them inmagazines and then sell them.

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You know, people just aren'tthat interested anymore.
But she got $500.
Do you know what that is withinflation today?

What is it?
Did you check it out?

$16,000.
I am sorry, In 1910, no girlgot $16,000 for a short story.
You cannot sell that manymagazines.
And she's still living in theattic.

She's still living in the attic $16,000.
Well, you know she gave thatmoney to mama, but that in the
attic, $16,000.
Well, you know, she gave thatmoney, that money, to mama, but
that's.
But that leads to my absolutefavorite last thing is when she
says you know because, because,irene Dunn, mama has been
telling her.
When she says I don't know whatto write about, write about,

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and she tells her to write aboutPapa, and of course Catherine
goes, thinks I'm going to writeabout mama.
And when, irene Dunn, theydon't know about this.
And when then Catherine startsreading the manuscript that's
been accepted and she realizesit's about her, it's a beautiful
moment.
She's up again, she walks tothe window and you know just the
look on mama's face.
It's so moving, it's so moving.

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Here's a woman again mother.
This is our Mother's Dayepisode.
So a mother who does all ofthis for her family sacrifices,
does all these things, she'snever going to get that warm
coat, you know, that warm coatthat they're saving for.
She's never going to get it.
Because every time she thinksshe's going to be able to save
up and get the warm coat sheneeds, something else comes up.

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You know, nels has's got to goto high school.
Nelsa's got to go to college.
She's never going to get it.
So that's what this is allabout.
This is a remembrance of themother sacrifice.
You know everything our mothersdo for us to give us a life
better than they had.
It's all summed up in that lastmoment, I think In the whole
movie, but in particularly thatmoment.

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I think it's just wrapped upbeautifully and I get really
moved by that.
But in particular that moment,I think it's just wrapped up
beautifully and I get reallymoved by that.
Maybe that's why I love thismovie so much, because that just
moves me.

That last final shot I would say for
highlighting a mother that'ssweet and wonderful.
For the Mother's Day's month,irene Dunn's character was a
great choice.

Yes, I think so too.

If we could have just looked at a picture of her
oh wow, we will agree.
Let's go back to the moneyissue.
I know that's not the wholepoint of this film, but I don't.
I don't see um coats yeah as wewere talking, I looked up the
cost of a incredible hat justamazing hat five dollars.

So her cow, her coat was not going to cost five
hundred dollars oh well, I thinkI think when katherine finally
sold that story, which became aBroadway play and which became a
movie and then a musical, Ithink she finally got that coat.
I think Mama was finally ableto get a coat with that money.

And it was time for Mama to have that coat.
I agree it was.

So we talked a little bit about.
You gave us kind of theoverview of what was going on in
48.
And we have the fact that thisfilm was nominated for five
oscars, as we said.
Actress for irine dunn it washer final oscar nomination.
She had never, she never wontwo.
Two supporting actresses, onesupporting actor in
cinematography dunn lost theoscar to jane wyman in johnny

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belinda.
Uh, that year also nominatedwas Olivia de Havilland for the
Snake Pit, a performance I love.
Stan Wiccan sorry, wrong number, another performance I love.
And Ingrid Bergman and Joan ofArc, a performance which I'm
like, eh, that's okay.
No, I'm kidding, it's verywonderful.
So, yeah.
So, as I said, jane Wyman won.
I don't know that I agree withthat win.
I'm not a huge Jane Wyman fan,but she played a deaf mute who

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got raped.
So hello Oscar.
There you go.
I don't feel like JohnnyBelinda stands up as well as I
remember Mama.
However, brad might find itdifferent.
So can you tell us a little bitabout how this movie performed
at the box office?

Yeah, this movie.
I will say that it was veryhard to find the numbers, but I
think I usually try to validatethem through multiple places
because they're all a little bitdifferent.
What I got from a couple placeswas the budget for this film
was about $3 million and,despite the rave, this thing
premiered at Radio City MusicHall.

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Despite the rave reviews, itonly made about $3 million.
And in the end, with everything, all costs and everything else,
it actually lost about amillion.

Yeah, no, that's true, that's true.
So yeah, it was adisappointment, financially it
was, which is kind ofinteresting.
You know, when Stevens cameback from World War II he formed
a production company with FrankCapra and William Wyler called
Liberty Films, and Frank Capra'sfirst film after the war was a

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film you might have heard ofcalled it's a Wonderful Life.
This was George Stevens' firstfilm.
I Remember Mama, two films thatwere disappointments at the box
office when they were releasedbut have become especially it's
a Wonderful Life, have becomekind of iconic nowadays, have
become legendary films, and so Ithink that's kind of

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interesting that this film didindeed lose money but its
reputation over the years hasgrown, I think mostly because of
Irene Dunn's performance.
That's my feeling about that.

And you know, I think it's a Wonderful Life is
grossly overrated, yeah, but Ilike it.
It's a fun film.
I just think people make toomuch of it than it is.
But I enjoy that film becauseit has more, I think, what I I
mean.
Granted, it has a differentthere are apples and oranges.

Let me stop there.
No, I agree with you.
I agree with you.

They're not trying to be similar.

Yeah, and I just want to say about Irene Dunn,
you know, as I said, you knowit's kind of strange that we
haven't talked about Irene Dunnbefore.
But it's not strange because Idon't think a lot of people know
who Irene Dunn was.
And when you look back at herfilmography and you see these
iconic films like Love Affair,like the Awful Truth, like A Guy

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Named Joe Penny Serenade,magnificent Obsession, I mean
this is crazy.
These films are true, trueclassics.
It's because she was a very.
She was, like they called her,the first lady of Hollywood.
Because she was a lady.
She was married to one man forher entire life.
There were no scandals, therewas no divorce.

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She was a devout Catholic, butnot annoyingly devout like
Loretta Young was.
She didn't have swear jars onher set.
But she was also verycharitable, very active in
Catholic charities, and she waselected president of Santa
Monica St John's Health Clinicin Santa Monica.
And in 1957, presidentEisenhower appointed her one of

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five alternative US delegates tothe United Nations.
I mean, this woman had quite anafterlife after she retired.
She also retired in 1952.
So she was born in 1898.
So she was 54 when she retiredand she knew when to get off
stage clearly she's like I'm not, she's not going to do.
She even commented she's notgoing to do.

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People ask her why she retired.
She's like well, look what JoanCrawford's doing now, look what
Betty Davis is doing now.
You know I'm not going to doLady in the Cage like Olivia de
Havilland.
So she was a smart lady.
Her motto was and she said thisthat she believed that living
was greater than acting, and shelived her life that way.
You know she died in 1990 atthe age of 91, a true, true icon

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of Hollywood and a really greatlady.
So I got to give it up to IreneDunn for that alone.

Well, before we wrap up, I want to ask you one
question.
It's something I saw as a factand unfortunately I didn't have
time to validate.
I don't like to get it.
From one site it says that theyoriginally wanted George Cukor
to do this film and to get himto persuade Greta Garbo out of

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retirement.
Do you know if that's true?

Well, the Greta Garbo is absolutely true.
Okay, there's two sources here.
This film was purchased by RKObefore the play.
The property was purchased.
Mama's bank account waspurchased before the play.
I remember Mama was even onBroadway, so RKO had it, and it

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was producer Harriet Parsons whohad the idea of Garbo coming
backbo left in 42, so theywanted garbo to come back and it
would have been perfect forgarbo, except for the reason
that there ain't no way in hellgarbo was going to come back and
play a mother to anybody, letalone barbara belgedes.
I mean, barbara garbo was gone,she was not coming back.
She almost came back one time,made some screen tests and then
went I think I go home now andnever came back again.

(54:46):
So yes, that is true, they didwant Garbo.
Garbo would have been aninteresting choice, but again,
there's no way in hell Garbo wasgoing to play somebody's mother
.

Yeah.

Unless it was a little child, she played a
mother, and Anna Karenina,obviously she has a small child,
but she's not going to playmother to a grown woman.
There's just no way.
And she was done.
So, yeah, that is true, itwould have been really
interesting.
But I mean, then we wouldn'thave gotten Irene Dunn and I
think Irene Dunn is perfectionin this.
She was, she was excellent.

Can't argue that.

Well, Brad, is there anything we?

want to say Are you done?
Are you?

done.

I will say this rather than you know.
It sounds like I trashed thisentire film.
There was a lot of really goodstuff in this film, well good.

Really good stuff.

I just didn't think the whole package worked.

I get you, I get you.
Well, again, it's good for usto have these differences of
opinions.
I think it's important.
We represent two viewpointsMine is right and yours is wrong
.
So there you go.

Anyway, and listener, you can expect Howard
the Duck next week.

Oh hell, no.
End of this podcast.
So, anyway, we have a couplemore Mother's Day movies coming
up, one of which is, I believe,what I would say is the biggest
mother of them all, and then wehave a TV mother, which I think
will be a lot of fun.
Yes, it will be fun, it'll be alot of fun.

And that boy that leaves it wide open for people
to guess.

Yeah, well, exactly that's what I'm telling
them.
So, brad, is there anythingelse you want to say about I
Remember?

Mama or the podcast .
I just want to say something tothe listener, If this is your
first time listening.

I'm sorry.

We hope that you enjoyed it and would like you to
subscribe.
If you are a regular listenerand you listened this long, then
it's a very good chance thatyou enjoy this show.
And I will say, the easiestpodcast app to leave a review in
is Apple, and 70% of you listento us on Apple.

(56:44):
Yes, we get that information Atleast the last episode, 70% of
you listen to us on Apple.
Yes, we get that information.
At least the last episode, 70%of you were on Apple.
So please rate and review us sothat others can know that they
can enjoy the show as much asyou do.

And I think we used to have two listeners in
Norway and they're gone now,after this podcast episode.

That is true.
We do have somebody still fromthe one person from the Isle of
man.

Oh really.

Yes, they've been listening for quite a while.

Well, brad, I guess then there's only one
thing left to say, but I don'twant to say it.
So let's not say goodbye, let'ssay adieu.

No, tony, let's say adios.

That makes no sense.
Bye everybody.
That's all folks.

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