March 18, 2025 • 60 mins
Space exploration funding is not just for billionaires anymore. Sarah Pousho of Space Bridge Partners reveals how everyday people and brands can support space missions that benefit humanity here on Earth. The episode covers the evolution of space funding, innovative research driving unexpected benefits, and the democratization of the space sector.
• The significant role of private funding in space exploration
• Unexpected advancements in IVF due to space research
• The inclusivity of the space sector for diverse contributors
• The shift in public perception regarding the space industry
• The mission of Space Bridge Partners to connect capital with science
Stay updated with Space Bridge Partners through their LinkedIn page or website.
🎧 Listen Now On:
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-off-world-moon-mars-venus-and-beyond/id1737881627
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6WjqRL2AZnLWO7Z3DTDjS1?si=d47c055cca1e4df7
Web: https://goingoffworld.buzzsprout.com/
Thank you for joining me on this ongoing journey into the future. Until next time, stay curious, and always think forward.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Going Offworld, your gateway to the
cosmos beyond our Earth.
Join us as we embark on thisjourney together to the Moon,
mars, venus and beyond.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Episode 2 of Going Offworld.
I'm your host, steve Fisher.
Today we're diving into one ofthe most crucial yet often
overlooked aspects of spaceexploration how we fund
ambitious space missions.
Our guest is Sarah Peugeot,co-founder of Space Bridge
Partners At the pioneering firm.
It's revolutionizing howprivate capital connects with
(00:31):
space initiatives.
From discussing how lifemissions can benefit life on
Earth to exploring waysentrepreneurs can enter the
space sector, sarah sharesinvaluable insights about
democratizing access to spaceexploration.
In this fascinating conversation, sarah reveals how space
research is already improvinglife on Earth.
You'll hear aboutgroundbreaking missions studying
(00:53):
human reproduction in spacethat have led to a 35% increase
in IVS success rates here onEarth.
You heard that right Spacebabies.
It's just one of the examplesof how space exploration creates
unexpected benefits forhumanity.
You'll learn how SpaceBirdPartners is helping match
mission organizers with fundersand why you don't need to be a
(01:14):
billionaire or rocket scientistto make an impact in space.
So, whether you're a spaceenthusiast entrepreneur or
you're just curious about thefuture of space exploration,
this conversation revealsexciting new pathways for
getting involved in humanity'sgreatest adventure.
Join us on this journey wherethe sky is not the limit and the
(01:36):
stars are just the beginning.
Sarah, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks for having me.
So I am very familiar with yourwork, but for those who are not
, I would love for you to talkabout your journey and the space
(01:57):
industry, how you arrived inthis place and what inspired you
to create Space Bridge Partners.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, I was born no, I'm just kidding.
I've always been interested inspace.
Since I was a little girl.
I wanted to be an astronauteither that or Wonder.
Woman.
I loved Wonder Woman.
But, yeah, I always wanted to bean astronaut and have been
interested in space my wholelife.
I did all my grade schoolreports on designs that people
had created for off-worldcommunities and just was
(02:29):
fascinated by that whole idea,and so my goal when I went to UC
Berkeley was to graduate withan astronomy degree and then go
to NASA and be an astronaut,maybe fly for the armed forces,
something like that in betweenand I ended up not majoring in
astronomy and got a temp jobthat led to five years at this
(02:51):
company that was a calendarpublisher.
So I ended up, which led toanother job and another job, and
I ended up doing about 30 plusyears in consumer products,
mostly in products for kids thatwere licensed they would have
SpongeBob SquarePants on them,or, you know, elsa from Frozen
and I headed up teams that wereresponsible for licensing,
(03:16):
negotiating licensing contractswith people like Disney and
others and also selling theproducts into chain store
retailers in North America andEurope.
And, however, I met one of myco-founders, guillermo Sunline,
at UC Berkeley, and we bothbonded over our love of space.
We both wanted to be anastronaut and we've kept in
(03:39):
touch all these years.
And one day I reached out andsaid I'm living vicariously
through your LinkedIn posts andhe said well, now's the time,
let's talk.
So we were on the phone forthree hours one day and he
invited me to one of his fundedand everyone in the industry
loved it Some of the big launchpartners especially loved it and
(04:09):
said come back when you havesome money.
And he said there's got to be away to get some of this money.
I'm not a wealthy person and Idon't have access to the numbers
that we would need to get thisoff the ground, literally.
So he actually had this ideaand there was a point where I
wanted to make the finaltransition out of consumer
(04:30):
products into the space industryafter going to space
conferences and space-relatedfunctions for a couple of years,
and I said look, I'll take thisidea and run with it, let me
head it up.
So he and I co-founded it witha third co-founderid Al Ali, who
used to work at NASA Ames formany years and is now based in
Qatar.
(04:50):
And so the three of us foundedthe company and officially
launched it in January of 2024.
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's, that's quite a story, I know you.
You, it's funny when you talkabout merchandising.
I want to bring this to thespace side for a sec, but it
always reminds me of as a longtime you know, seeing star wars
in the theaters when it came out, the you know, having had toys
as a kid the merchandising thatreal that I mean star wars
(05:21):
really changed the game.
You, you know, with brand andlicensing and merchandising I
mean the process for somethinglike that.
You know I have a young son whois very much into Marvel and
Spider-Man and the MandalorianStar Wars as well as SpongeBob.
Yeah, but you see it everywhere.
(05:42):
I mean, do you have to?
Does someone have to licensesomething from you Like how does
that, how does it generallywork?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yes, so all of those, except for SpongeBob, all of
those properties you mentionedare owned by Disney, so you
would have to go to Disney andask for permission, permission.
Spongebob is a Paramountproperty, so you ask them for
permission.
But, yes, you'd go and ask forpermission to use their likeness
or their character's IP on yourproduct and you have to pay
(06:12):
royalties.
And there's many different waysto negotiate by region,
globally Is it 2D, is it 3D, isit an action figure, is it sound
, which is a whole otherlicensing ballgame.
And so, yeah, you ask forpermission, and if they don't
already have another product onthe market that's the same thing
(06:35):
with that likeness, thenthey'll give you the rights to
use it, and it's for a certainamount of time and a certain
number of channels, and acertain number of countries and
it's all very complex, which isone of the reasons why I think
Yermo thought I'd be good inheading to Facebook partners,
because it's involving a lot ofcomplicated agreements between
many different parties, andsomething that I kind of love to
(06:59):
do is put those pieces togetherand connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think about the NASA logo and the NASA licensing
.
You know, you go, you buy.
There's a store in Houston, atthe Houston airport, and I
usually, if I'm down there forwork, I will bring something
home.
You know something from theNASA store but it's become, you
know quite.
It's about the iconic licensingof those brands.
Yes, and this, you know,relates to, like you know, like
(07:26):
you said, with licensing, the IPitself.
But I have often wondered ifyou know companies will lend
their brand to fund projects, ifyou create, if SpaceBridge
partner is going to create someof its own brands, that way they
can license.
I mean, that's also maybe akind of a tangential question,
(07:49):
but I mean your experience inthat is pretty extensive.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No one's ever asked me that question before, and
that's a pretty fascinatingquestion.
I didn't really even think ofthat.
I think, since we're more of aservice provider, I feel like we
could probably help build someof those brands and help them
spin out.
But I don't know if we, atleast today, that's not on our
agenda to do.
But I would never say never.
(08:17):
That's a really interesting.
That's a really interestingquestion.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, I think it's, yeah, it's absolutely.
I mean, you've you just started?
When did what?
What exactly did you startspace bridge when?
When did it start?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
it officially launched in january 9th, on
january 9th of 2024.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So yeah, about eight months ago yeah, nine months ago
.
Um, so this year's been growing.
You've been growing quickly andwhat opportunities you're
seeing happening across thiskind of the early stages of the
company for you?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, what's really exciting is, all the people that
I've talked to that are on thespace side of things are like
where have you been?
This is so necessary.
I'm so excited.
Also, can you help us?
So that's been a good response.
On the funding side of things,it's been interesting to see the
different kinds of people thatare interested in what we're
(09:11):
doing and immediately mostpeople go right to oh so you're
a VC?
No, we don't fund companies andwe're not looking for
investments.
We're looking for funding.
And to your point about brandsand properties, this is a great
way to participate in a fewdifferent ways.
I have seen brands participatewhere they may have their logo
(09:34):
on a piece of the machinery,like the spacecraft or the
instrument that's being used inspace, but don't pay marketing
activation dollars.
They'll offer services or theequipment itself.
So there's these neatcollaborations that are
happening.
There's also companies thatwill pay, obviously, to have
(09:55):
eyeballs on some of these spacemissions because it relates to
their MO.
So if they're a brand that'sinto speed, for example, they
might want to sponsor a spacemission that is launching
something that would be thefastest thing in space, which is
one of the missions that is onour pipeline right now.
So there's so many differentways to piece those things
(10:17):
together.
That's the exciting part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, and that kind of leads to you.
You know we had the coremission of space rich partners,
like kind of.
You know you've you touched onit a little bit, but kind of
just for kind of can youcondense it into kind of the
pitch, if you will like the?
You know, if I'm, I'm in thisin the industry and you know,
and Guillermo and I have had alot of conversations about the
(10:41):
industry.
The industry or the space is aplace versus the space industry,
it's like it's a place to work.
So you know, let's talk about,let's talk about mission.
You know you talked aboutyou're not a VC.
You talk about licensing later.
There's so much of thisecosystem that is fertile ground
.
So where do you, where's thefocus right now?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So we're focused on a very specific niche.
The one sentence pitch is weconnect private capital and
space missions focused onscience, education and
exploration, and the way that wecame about is, basically, most
of those missions are notcommercial missions, so there's
not a financial ROI.
There are missions that arevital in science, in exploration
(11:28):
, education, in the sense thatthey're studying our planet.
They're studying our solarsystem and deep space.
There are things beingdeveloped in space that can be
used on Earth that will helphumankind.
But a lot of those missions,especially the initial missions
that might lead to somethingthat can be used on Earth, don't
have that commercial ROI.
(11:49):
But you need the science andtesting and tech demos first to
happen, and those are themissions that many of them do
get grant funding or governmentfunding, but not enough to cover
the full cost of the mission.
So that's where Faith BridgePartners comes in is to help
them fund in full or partiallyto get these missions off the
ground.
Usually these missions areorganized by universities or
(12:11):
nonprofits or small civil spaceagencies that don't have a NASA
budget, and those are primarilythe missions that we look to
support because we know thatthey're so vital and they
usually are not able to get 100%of the funding.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So let's walk through kind of a life cycle, so kind
of your ideal customer.
So you talked about university,you talked about a couple
different types of stakeholdersor potential customers.
Let's scenario play here for asec.
So I would be entrepreneur Am Itrying to do a launch, like I
(12:48):
have a satellite, I want tomaybe do some type of weather
study, like, and I want to getsomething into space, for maybe
it's a weather data company I'mcreating.
I want to do something forclimate, right, is that a good
example?
Or just on a, is that a goodpersona?
Because I want to, just I wantto help people.
(13:08):
Kind of envision, like theworld, the process, the world,
because it can sometimes be alittle more abstract in that way
.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So yeah, actually I would flip that on it 180
degrees.
Our client is really the funder.
So, it's a high net worthindividual, it's a brand, it's a
media company who's looking tosupport the space sector, and so
our product, if you will, arethese missions like your example
(13:38):
that you gave, that you're,you're organizing a mission that
involves a weather satellite.
So you, on the on the missionorganizer side, you'd come to us
and say I have this idea, thisis what I want to do, here's our
team, here's the budget, here'sthe timeline, and our team will
vet that and it will end up onour pipeline.
But really, that's just anotherproduct that we're selling for
(14:01):
all intents and purposes, and soour customer, our client, is
really a high networksindividual that wants to support
the space sector or that mayhave a specific interest they
might be interested in.
They might be interested inclient, they might be interested
in climate change, and so yourproject could be a good one to
(14:22):
pair them with.
Or you could be a brand that'sinterested, like I mentioned
before, that's interested.
They're all about speed.
Maybe you're Formula One, forexample, and you want to show
that you're innovative, soyou're supporting something in
space, and if it has to do withspeed, that would be a perfect
mission for you, or something todo with speed right.
Or if you're a documentary thathas been looking for a subject
(14:44):
about climate change, maybe theywant to feature your mission
and part of the documentary.
So those were the matchmakersRight and we're almost like.
We're almost like a sales teamfor all the mission organizers.
So if you needed help funding,you'd be the product that we
would try to sell to one ofthese funders and I hate to say
(15:06):
the word sell because we're notreally selling anything.
We're just trying to supportthe whole space ecosystem and
get your mission launched.
So we would know that high networth individual A is not
interested at all in earthsciences.
They're more interested inmining asteroids.
But high net worth individual Bis very interested in the
(15:26):
weather and climate change andthey might be very interested in
funding your mission.
So that's the way we look at it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Okay.
So let me kind of, like yousaid, kind of flip that because
you are a bridge.
Right, you are a bridge betweenthem, because could they come
at you from one side?
Because could they come at youfrom one side?
So I'm the entrepreneur.
But then there's like the GatesFoundation that does climate
part of the foundation we'retalking about grants but say
that their mission is to do thistype of climate work.
(15:55):
Well, they may not even knowthat this person trying to do
this work exists.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So do you work to create the, to create the roster
of funder, potential funders,yes.
And then when the mission kindof do you do it in a kind of
categorization, so do you putout I'm not talking about prizes
, I'm talking about just more oflike, just like a not like a
venture firm, where you have aportfolio of focus, like you
have a climate agenda or youhave this type of I don't know
(16:29):
type of exploration, energy type, maybe a solar shield in space.
I don't know, I'm just makingstuff up.
So those people would do?
You have like an energy sector,like, imagine this firm, your
firm, larger, you'd have like amaybe, like environment,
practice and energy, and thenyou'd be able to find the people
(16:50):
looking to do missions.
And then you, or does theactual funder have missions in
mind?
It may, might or might not.
That's why cause like sometimesit's you don't know, you don't
know, and you might be a perfectmatch or the person looking
could help your agenda and theymight not even think about space
as a way.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Right.
Right, so and those are thepeople that we're trying to
reach too.
So it's it's a little bit ofall of the above.
Um, today, if you're asking methis question today, um, we are
vetting our missions to makesure that we have a variety of
funds needed, a variety ofmissions that they're focused on
(17:28):
.
You know one, like I mentioned,one could be the fastest human
made object.
One is looking for signs oflife on another planet.
One, like your example, couldbe studying Earth's weather and
climate.
So we try to make sure that wedon't have a lot of the same
missions or the same similarmissions on our pipeline.
We're looking at missions thathave launch dates ranging
(17:50):
anywhere from January of 2025 onout through the 2030s.
So we're trying to have areally good variety to start,
because we're still building outour funding network to make
sure that we have a good varietyto meet a lot of the needs of
people that we're talking to.
But down the road, when we're,you know, five years old or 10
years old, just what you said isthat we will have people you
(18:16):
know, bridge builders, if youwill focused in certain sectors,
because we know that thisfunder is interested in energy.
That funder is interested in,you know, climate.
This other funder is interestedin energy.
That funder is interested inclimate, this other funder is
interested in human health,things like that.
So we would have those dotconnectors connecting those
kinds of funders with thosekinds of missions in our
(18:37):
pipeline.
So it's right now.
Now the focus is on what thefunders are looking for and and
making sure that we have a nicevariety of missions in our
pipeline so that we can meetmost of the needs that are out
there and steer people in theright direction too.
I mean, we're really hoping toget in front of brands, media
(18:58):
companies and high networkindividuals that are like I
would love to be involved inspace and support it, but I
don't even know how.
Those are the people that we'retrying to reach right now,
until our business plan becomesso big that there's more of us
out there doing the same thingand we're solving this problem
on a massive scale instead ofmission by mission, which we are
doing right now.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So to kind of not to give away all the secret sauce,
but in terms of business model,you know, how does SpaceBridge
make its money?
Is it from fees and launch feesover time?
Is it management of the like?
Because I would imagine, ifthings are planned out,
obviously somebody puts money infor a mission which you know
(19:40):
kind of here and there between,but obviously you need to run a
business right.
It's like how does that create?
How does it createsustainability for the business
over time?
Like, how do you create aconsistent?
Because you're not a VC, soyou're not trying to like, raise
a mission fund for thisenvironment, for this focus
right, or this mission fund forthis right, and then you would
(20:01):
make management fees on that.
That's more of a VC venturecapital model.
But how do you kind of, how didyou as thinking through this
business and doing this, how doyou approach that?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
So there's two different ways.
The main way that we earnrevenue is through a success fee
.
So if we were to get a donationfrom a high net worth
individual, or if we were tohelp negotiate a brand
sponsorship or help negotiate amedia partnership, we would take
a success fee from those funds.
The other way is for a missionorganizer or a potential funder
(20:39):
to hire us on retainer to dosome research for them.
So say, there's a brand companythat says this is what my
brand's all about.
I'm looking for missions focusedon X, y and Z.
If we didn't already have oneof those missions in our
pipeline, we could reach out toour network and see if we could
find one or help put onetogether.
Now we would not personallylaunch a mission, we would just
(21:00):
help coordinate making thatmatch.
But yeah, and then on the otherside of that, if the mission
organizer says I would love yourhelp in figuring out what
brands we should go after, youknow, obviously we would offer
that service, but if they wantedto do it themselves, we could
do some research on their behalftoo to look at ways that they
could get some funding.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So, for example, if, like Anthropic came to you and
says we want to put Claude inspace, it makes you think of
Skynet.
But I'm just saying but if theywanted to do an experimental,
you know, do an applicationmodel or an imaging model or
something they would hire you tothen kind of create the mission
, build it out, find maybe thematching companies that could do
(21:42):
the work, or the launchcompanies that could actually,
you know, execute on that rightand be that launch firm, if you
will, a launch coordinator firmas such.
That's interesting because itis definitely a gap.
There's always the peopletrying, seems to be two things
people with dreams trying to doit, and people with money that
(22:05):
maybe are just really in alimited space because all they
want to do is just, you know,getting people up into space.
That seems to be the main thing, which is great because I
believe, if I look at whatElon's doing with Starship, you
know, he's creating a Star andmost people don't know, but
probably those listening do.
he's creating a Starship factory, much like the Gigafactory, and
(22:29):
that essentially is like a FordMotor Company assembly line for
spaceships.
That is, I mean, the price.
I'm trying to think the price20 years ago.
If I remember right, the price20 years ago to get someone in
to get something into space was$10,000 an ounce, I think, and
(22:51):
now it's down to like a couplehundred off a thousand.
We have to get it down to likenot like very little, because
then that cost opens to the massmarket, just from not more like
UPS delivering packages to thespace station, but the fact that
we can bring people up there.
But there's so much more aroundthat right, exactly.
(23:13):
I've always envisioned that thethe mission to mars would be
sponsored by, like disney orsome media, media companies,
because to me, the lot, thereality show aspect of this, the
going on the journey, thebranding of aspects of it, the
licensing capability, likelicensing, it's, it's immense,
(23:35):
it's immense and there's justthere's so much fertile ground.
You know people listening tothis, um, are there how, when
you look at all theseopportunities, how do you
evaluate and prioritize them?
Like, how do you?
Who do you choose to?
How do you choose to supportthem?
Because some people can comewith great ideas Like how do you
(23:57):
, how do you vet that?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The first thing we do is to see if they have a
mission completely organized.
So we have had a lot of peoplecome to us saying I've got this
awesome thing that could be usedin space and we say great, are
you, do you have a mission planto test it?
And they say no, and it's likeI'm sorry, we don't have the
bandwidth to help you with that.
Come back when you have amission.
So if the mission is fully,fully organized and vetted and a
(24:21):
lot of times people are comingto us saying I have, you know,
$500,000, I need a million, canyou help me with the last 500?
So the first thing we look atis what is the purpose of the
mission?
What is your unique, what'syour differentiator?
What is the science you'retrying to accomplish on this
mission?
The second thing we look for iswhat does your budget look like
(24:41):
?
Because we can usually tellright off the bat if this is a
reasonable mission or not justby the budget they're putting
against it.
The third thing is what is yourtimeline?
And the fourth thing is theteam.
Actually, the team's probablythe most important thing.
Have they ever done this before?
Have they been in the spacesector?
Do they have the credentialsfor the science that they want
to do.
(25:01):
Are there PhDs involved in thatscience?
And so we look at.
Those are the first things thatwe look at, and then we'll vet
from there to make sure that itfalls under our MO.
Are they a nonprofit or auniversity or an underserved
community that would have a hardtime raising the funds?
Those are people we would lookat and again trying to, in these
(25:23):
beginning stages, round out ourportfolio just because we have
limited bandwidth with our smallteam we're about 13 people,
which includes advisors as wellbut do we have the bandwidth and
does it make sense to fall intoour pipeline?
In terms of the variety, whichI mentioned earlier, are the
timelines spread out?
Are the mission differentiatorsdifferent enough from each
(25:47):
other, and like that?
So those are the steps that wetake to vet the missions, and a
lot of times, too, it willdepend on our relationships with
the mission organizers.
I'm lucky enough to have a lotof people in the space sector on
the team that know a lot of theplayers in the game, and those
are the people that aresubmitting missions to us.
(26:07):
So it's nice to have that kindof a personal referral as well
in our network.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So if, if I was an entrepreneur, um, I'll take from
my own experience, um, that'llkind of make it a little more
personal.
So I built an air taxi company20 years ago, a little ahead of
its time, but it's now cominginto play, right, and I believe
(26:34):
that we're going to needmobility on the planet, not just
about getting there and drivingaround, but flying around.
So, like say, I wanted to builda craft that not only worked
here on Earth, but I wanted tobuild something that could be
mobile for mars, like, like, howwould, and I I have some
(26:58):
experience.
I'm not a space, I'm notexperienced with a mission, what
.
I have a background in theother things aviation, or I have
a team that you know avionics,airframe we can build the craft,
we can build the engine, powerplant, and we want to, but we
need someone that's one going tohelp us build something for
(27:19):
earth.
And then in the next, over thenext 10 years, prototype,
something that we could, maybe asmall prototype we could send
with a starship to test outright how.
How is someone who's anentrepreneur or you know looking
to do that, get into the like?
Focusing on the missions, whatwould they if they were trying
(27:41):
to come to you?
What would they, what would beneeded or what would help?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Um, what would help is having it more, having the
mission more put together, justbased on our current state of
Space Bridge Partners again likewe're more well-equipped to
help the mission organizers thathave something pretty well put
together.
However, as I mentioned, a lotof our team comes from space
background, so I'm sure we wouldbe able to give you plenty of
(28:10):
referrals to talk to.
To get this off the ground, Iwould recommend having some PhDs
on your team that wouldunderstand how your engine would
have to be modified to work onEarth versus to work on Mars,
because obviously the atmosphereis quite different, and so we
could either help you with thosereferrals if you really wanted
(28:33):
extensive amount of help and tohave us basically help you put
the mission together, you wouldhire us on retainer.
But if you're just a bunch ofnerds-?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That was my next question.
Yeah, because if I had, say, aquarter million dollars in angel
funding and we wanted to getthe mission together, that we
could hire your firm to help putthat part of the plan together,
to make the mission, to makesolid the mission and even the
resourcing of the, of theexperts and the people that
needed to be on the teameventually for it.
(29:02):
That's great, the mission teamitself.
So that's great.
Yes, I've been very muchlooking forward to this because
I've often wondered how doessomeone beyond the billionaires
and the multi-multi-millionairesbecome?
I mean, they're essentiallybeing space entrepreneurs.
You're essentially helping themmove into that space.
(29:26):
They might have adjacent skillsets and good skill sets, but
not direct space experience.
I didn't work for JPL or as muchas I would love, have loved to.
I don't you know, I didn't workfor, you know, nasa or SpaceX.
So I think there's anopportunity, that there are
millions of entrepreneurs outthere that would love to figure
(29:48):
out how to crack this and reallyget into being a space
entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, there are millions of space adjacent
companies too that contribute tothe space sector.
You don't have to be a SpaceXor a rocket lab to be a major
player in the sector.
So there's so many differentways and it's becoming more and
more apparent what those waysare and more and more of those
opportunities are becomingavailable because of how quickly
(30:16):
the space sector is evolving.
I mean, look at the PolarisDawn mission yesterday.
It's completely privatelyfunded and we've got four
non-professional astronauts.
They've been trained asastronauts.
So I hate to call themnon-professional, but that seems
to be what the press is callingthem.
But they're not, you know,they're not from NASA, they're
not, you know, from a spaceagency.
(30:36):
This is a completely privatelyfunded mission of everyday
civilians like we are pushinginnovation forward and testing
new space sets and testing newtechnology.
That's up there.
So you don't have to beliterally a rocket scientist to
be involved in space anymore.
It's just we're on the cusp ofthis exploding into a huge
(30:58):
industry for quote, unquotecivilians.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
now you make a great point.
There needs to be new languagebecause back in the day and you
know, Ed White did the firstspacewalk back in Gemini in I
think 64, 63, something likethat and my dates are off but
those days being in NASA, youwere usually well, all of them
(31:25):
were ex-military, were theremilitary, they were trans, so it
was a service.
You were a public service, soyou were a government employee
essentially, and that kind of.
We talk about astronauts inthat we still talk about them
like that.
We don't talk about them aspeople, as private citizens,
(31:45):
versus, I don't even think thecareer astronaut or professional
astronaut and private.
We need, we do need a newlanguage because there's people
who are the experienced, youknow people that come to the
space is their career, that'stheir life.
(32:06):
Right and there are people whohave other careers that come to
this.
Yes and we need we do it's aperfect.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
other careers that come to this yes, and we do
definitely need it.
Elon Musk is a perfect example.
I have to say, what's that Like?
Elon Musk is a perfect example.
He's not from space, and lookwhat he's created.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
People might think he's an alien.
I think he's a time traveler.
But I think he's a timetraveler.
Look, he knows exactly whereit's all going.
Well, you know, and I've allI've I've talked about this on
other podcasts is, uh, you know,as an entrepreneur and a
student of it and an author ofbooks on startups, you know it's
(32:43):
about the.
He's an ecosystem builder.
Right, there are, there aredifferent levels in which
products and services build.
There's the kind of the baseproduct, then there's platforms,
then there's ecosystems andthen there's economies, and only
the big one.
When I talk about economy, Imean ecosystems are great
because there's tons of partners.
It's a great.
(33:03):
People work for you know, theywork with your product.
The economies establish newtypes of jobs.
If you think about it 30, 25years ago, if you would have
said the term SEO specialists,that didn't exist until Google.
Right, they created a new, awhole economy.
Right, facebook, social media,social media analysts and
(33:26):
strategists.
Right, whole job sectors.
He's creating, he's got anecosystem built, but he's
building a whole economy inwhich people will be able to and
they do now right, they work inthat, but even I would say the
masses, when I think about allhe's doing.
You know, and talking toguillermo was on an earlier
(33:46):
podcast and if you anybodylistening, if you haven't
listened to it, I highlyrecommend you check it out.
Um, the he is, and we'll talkabout Guillermo in a second,
because it's important in termsof your relationship and how you
work, because I draw parallelsto him and Elon about
multi-planetary species, butthere's application on earth.
That's where my heart is Like.
(34:07):
If you, most spaceentrepreneurs have their dreams
of doing something out there,but most investors don't have
that kind of timeframe forreturn, correct.
So there needs to be arationale and a okay, let's
build it here, let's test ithere, let's get the investors in
(34:28):
to create something of valuefor this planet, but with a
long-term vision that it's goingto have a multi-planetary
impact.
Elon's doing the same thing.
The Boring Company isn't justabout so he can dig something
from Los Angeles to SanFrancisco.
It's about digging tunnels onMars.
Right, it's electric.
(34:50):
Cars are going to be on Mars.
The robots may be our.
We may have care robots andpeople will.
I completely see people formingpersonal relationships with our
robots, like R2D2 or C3PO, butthose robots will do the.
They'll do the hard work onMars.
They'll do the dangerous workon Mars.
Right, everything is for there,but the people who are
investing in it now.
(35:10):
Right, everything is for there,but the people who are
investing in it now.
It has use here.
So when you look at missions,do you ever have any type of
conversations about, okay, yourmissions in here?
Do you ever coach them or doanything on retainer to help
them find value here?
Or is it just really more aboutthe space industry itself?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Oh, I love that question.
Yes, it's interesting.
Many of the mission organizersthat we talk to are not
entrepreneurs like you.
They're scientists that havebeen in their field for a long
time.
They could be astrobiologists,they could be astrophysicists,
they could be not even thatastropart, they could be
biologists or physicists thatare looking to do something and
(35:58):
they see their work from a veryscientific angle.
That for somebody like me whowas very interested in science
when I was a kid, I get veryexcited about it.
But if you put that person infront of a potential funder,
they'll fall asleep.
So we help them develop thatvalue proposition and understand
what their contribution canmake.
(36:18):
And two things related to whatyou were just talking about.
One is the timelines.
You need to have thesescientific missions happen so
that the things will happen at alater date, like you said.
So some of these missions thatwe have on our pipeline are
legacy-making missions.
So you might not get afinancial return, but you'll
(36:41):
definitely to have your nametied to some of these missions
that are in our pipeline, whichare so exciting and could be
literal game changers in the waywe think about biologic life,
the way we think about how fastsomething can move in space.
Even the way we think aboutthings that could happen on
Earth, those are big gamechangers.
And then also, the opposite ofsomething that you said, are
(37:02):
things that are already workinggreat on Earth and, you know,
like Boring Company, all theserobots that will be working on
Mars.
Some of the things that we'reworking on now, or I should say
our mission organizers areworking on now, will help people
on Earth, and one example ofthat is a set of missions that
is looking to see if humans cansuccessfully reproduce in less
(37:23):
than 1G that we have here onEarth.
So if you have a lower gravity,you know we're planning on
putting people on the moon andMars.
Those do not have the samegravity as Earth.
So for all we know, it could bea one generation mission.
People go up there and thenthey die because they can't
reproduce, and then no one'sleft.
We'll have to keep sending newpeople on a one way ticket.
So if this company discoversthat we can reproduce in less
(37:47):
than one G, that's going to bevery important to becoming an
interplanetary species.
Along the way of them figuringthis out, they developed a
technology that is helping invitro fertilization success rate
grow by about 35%, so that's ahuge thing for people on Earth
that you know are having kids,so it's exciting to see how that
(38:07):
science can be used on Earth aswell.
There's so much science that'sbeen developed for space that
helps people on Earth already.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So was their pitch when they pulled up the first
slide.
Did it just say space babies?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, it did not.
That'd be a good way.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm here to talk to you today about space babies.
Space babies but it's a veryimportant thing.
I'm often reminded of the Ithink there was a couple in
space and we're going to figurethat out about just the you know
interaction part, if you will.
But the conception, you know,is a whole different story
(38:43):
because, you know, can you havea baby, like if you're in a
space station, right, if you'rein a long-term space station,
can you raise children, right,and even mars's gravity met a
couple of shows that try to kindof represent that right in the
expanse.
The piece people that live,that grow up on mars is a third
(39:04):
of the gravity of earth and theycome back and they have to take
medicine, they have to trainlike it's their body, even their
composition is they, it's.
It's hard, it's like torture,it's like somebody laying here
and you having to carry aroundlike a 200 pound weight on your
shoulders.
It's like, or you know, I thinkof um.
(39:26):
There's another great show.
It's an alternate history show,um, uh show for all mankind.
There's a baby that was born on,or she was pregnant, I think,
and she was on Mars and she hadher baby.
Maybe she had the baby I'mtrying to remember exactly how
but they got her out of Mars andshe went back.
But because he was born there,his health he had trouble on
(39:53):
Earth and then he went to Marsand all of his health issues
kind of cleared up.
So there's even not even justconception, but there's
long-term benefits of eventuallythe human race might split
because there might be peoplethat can't function on earth and
people that can only be, youknow on.
But to your point about likeIVF, I mean it's addressing
(40:17):
modern challenges for people andI think that's a that's such a
wonderful example, you know,that's a great example of, you
know, of success and but thereare a lot of challenges out
there, Like what do you thinkare the biggest challenges
facing the industry right now?
And just working in space andjust what you're seeing right
(40:38):
now.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
A few different.
It was hard to narrow this downto just a few answers.
I think one is publicperception.
Everyone still thinks it's theElon Musk and Jeff Bezos of the
world and that's not the caseand it's becoming less and less
the case.
So how do we educate the publicthat they can be involved,
whether they're a writer or achef or a janitor, like so many,
an architect so many differenttypes of careers can be involved
(41:05):
in the space sector today.
I mean, I'm a perfect exampleof it.
I don't have 30 yearsexperience, but I'm an
enthusiast and understand how toconnect the dots and excited
about the science behind things.
So I think one is publicperception is one of the biggest
challenges vital sciencemissions and exploration
missions funded.
They are crucial to taking thenext steps in things, which is
(41:38):
why I'm so excited about thisPolaris Dawn mission, because
they're just testing our let'sexplain.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
let's stop with my choice, that's for the audience
who may not know.
Can you explain Polaris Dawn,so that way they know?
Kind of a grounding before youdive into that.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Sure Polaris Dawn.
It's the first privately fundedspace mission with and I hate
to say non-professional again.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But yeah, we mentioned that before, but it's
like, yeah, he's, he is a andhe's been in space before, so
for him this is a personal goal,because he will be a private
citizen taking a spacewalk thefirst private citizen to do so
Versus a government militaryserving your country.
(42:23):
He's kind of I don't want to saybuying into history, but he is,
is but the importance of beingable to accomplish that as a
private citizen and that itmakes space walks more I don't
want to say common, but not forone more accessible.
Yes, so he's funding.
Yeah, he's, he's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It's Jared Isaacman too, just so stop saying he is
the one that funded the mission,and there's three other
astronauts on this mission thatare quote unquote civilian
astronauts.
But they are all also doingscience, and one of the key
things, going back to your HenryFord argument is he's testing
spacesuits that can be massproduced, because if Elon Musk
(43:07):
and other people want to getthousands of people on Mars,
you're going to have to be ableto create many, many of these
spacesuits.
And so he's up there testingthat, and you saw all that live
footage from his first spacewalkwas him measuring how far he
can move his left arm, how hecan move his right arm, how he
could use the mobility aid youknow climbing out of the capsule
(43:28):
.
So these are all vital thingsthat we're going to need to do
that I'm hoping we can help rampup having this happen more and
more often and not need you knowbillionaires, but we can get
you know people that are ahundred millionaires, or we can
get brands involved.
We can get more media companiesinvolved.
There's so many ways to pullthese resources and to make this
(43:51):
, like you said, more accessiblefor everyday people and get
this to the point of being theHenry Ford of space.
There's got to be ways that wecan continue to capitalize on
all these economies of scale aswe continue to grow the sector
and all the different parts ofthe sector involved in getting
humans into space.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So let's have a little.
Let's put our futures hat onSpaceBridge Partners 2035.
Let's talk.
We can weave it into long-termgoals but what do?
You, what do you see for your,for the firm, Like, what do you
let's?
Let's kind of put our futureshat on?
You talked about missions outthere.
(44:30):
What does it mean?
The goals, like, where doesSpace Bridge Partners kind of,
where is it in 2035, whichreally not that far away?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It really is, yeah, I think, 2035, we're not the only
ones out there doing this,which would be really exciting.
Honestly, I don't think it willhappen in 10 years, but I would
love to put ourselves out ofbusiness because so many
philanthropists and brandingbrand companies, media partners
will see the value in this andthey will already know how to
(45:00):
get to a mission organizer tohelp fund it.
But I do see us as being, sincewe're the first out there, I
would like us to be the mainplatform, kind of you know, the
kick, the Kickstarter, if youwill like.
People want to.
I'm on there and I'm interestedin a certain thing.
I can go to this website andfind a mission I can fund, or
I'm a mission organizer and Iwant to reach out to these kinds
of funders.
Here's a way to do it.
(45:21):
So it'd be great to continue tobe that one streamlining cog in
the center of all thesedifferent players on both sides
of the table the missionorganizers and the potential
funders and we'll have a globalteam that will have expertise in
different sectors.
Like you said, there could beclimate change function, there
could be an energy function,there could be an exploration
(45:43):
function and extraterrestrialdomains.
You know things like that.
So, but I think, sticking toour core belief of just helping
humanity learn more and helphumans on Earth as well as
become an interplanetary species, and just get the science, the
vital science, that comes ofthese non-commercial missions,
(46:03):
keep those happening, make sureas many of those missions can
happen as possible every year.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
That's great.
So, and let's go the otherdirection, in the past, present
or future.
If you could fund orparticipate in any mission, what
would it be?
Past, present, future, whateverit is, what would you want to
be?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
part of.
I'm going to steal an answer.
I'm going to steal an answerfrom Dr Natalie Cabral, who I
interviewed at CENI last week,and say all of them I'm so
excited about like I wish wewere going to fly on the wall on
the Apollo missions.
I'm excited about some of thehabitats I've seen out of you
know, dreamt up by somearchitects, that I'm hoping to
(46:43):
see come to fruition.
I want to go to space somehow,some way.
Guillermo we mentioned him afew times has an idea to put a
thousand people inhabiting theatmosphere of Venus.
I would like to be one of thosepeople.
I don't think I would want tostay up there, but I would
definitely want to go up thereand check it out and come back.
So, yeah, I mean, I hate thatsort of a cop cop out answer,
(47:07):
but I'm so excited about spacein general and having my whole
life I would, I want toparticipate in any mission.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I want to fund the first solar sail mission.
I want to participate like Iwant to see if we can really
like because I like, I likesailing on water if we can
really like cause I like, I likesailing on water.
So if we could actually achieverapid, you know, space, like
I'm not talking about sub, evensub light, but if we can get
(47:35):
really fast in terms of how tomove around the solar system
with solar sails and no likecause propulsion, I've, I've.
I was asked this question on apodcast, like if I was in a
space role, what would I havedone?
Cause I was, you know, for ahot minute, considered I'm a
pilot, but I considered doingaerospace engineering.
Math is not my subject, um, I'mthe, I'm the artist, but I
(48:00):
would have loved, I would havebeen a propulsion person,
absolutely, without, without adoubt.
Cause, like I met Freeman Dysonmany years ago at Esther
Dyson's flight school conferenceback in 20 years ago when I was
doing this I noticed themillionaires had the air taxi
companies, the billionaires hadthe space companies.
I was not a millionaire, thoughI was like some other category
(48:21):
of oh yeah broke.
But listening to him talk aboutthe Orion project of nuclear
propulsion, I just think we haveto.
And I interviewed Dr JeffLandis.
We talked about the propulsiontypes out there and we have to
figure out the propulsionproblem right now.
We have to find ways not onlyto find the fuel outside of
(48:46):
Earth but also other ways tocreate new types of propulsion
systems so that we can movearound, because it's just not.
We are.
If you use the, go back toHenry.
If we use the automobileanalogy, it is essentially like
those.
You know horseless carriages,you know that's essentially
where we are right now.
That you know horselesscarriages, you know that's
(49:06):
essentially where we are rightnow.
We're in horseless carriagemode where it's like crank it up
, do everything, driver.
You know it's got the basickind of modes but yeah, we don't
even have like paved roads andit's, it's a mess.
Yet and that's where it's stillin its infancy.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
But that's what I would totally you know well,
there's been a couple of solarsail tech demos already, so I I
think we're on our way.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
We are, we are that's what I'm saying.
Like I want to go to likeJupiter, like if we can get a
solar sail to like to Jupiter.
I'm not saying there's amonolith out there, but I'd like
to know, but you'd like to know.
But I'd like to know I'mcurious about what's beyond
Voyager.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Can we pass?
Can we set a solar sail or someother fast item?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I'm just kind of like for those listening, not on the
video, like and just wave likeyou know, yeah, no, it's your
point Can we pass Voyager in mylifetime.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
That's one thing that I would love to be involved in.
Can I see data from beyondVoyager while I'm still alive?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
That's a great one, you know.
So, for those listening andkind of really getting inspired
by this, like what would youlike them to like?
You know, really know aboutyour passion about the future
and the role of private funding.
What do you think it is Like?
What would you like them toknow that you haven't shared?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Are you talking like future generations or what's the
context?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
yeah, I mean we'll maybe we'll skip that question.
I'll cut that out, um, becausethat one was more about you've
already kind of covered it.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
So yeah, I wanted to talk about future generations
yes, so let's do it.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
It's kind of Now we'll kind of cut to the.
Let's talk about futuregenerations.
Why don't you?
You touched upon that.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
You want to expand on that a bit and talk to younger
generations that are still inhigh school and college.
They all have an impact.
What's the word I'm looking for?
A desire to make an impact, andthey look for impact funders,
(51:17):
they look for impact companies.
They look for companies makinga difference.
I would love for them to keepthat mindset as the next
generation of politicians comeabout, the next generation of
politicians come about as thenext generation of science come
about.
Have that be their guidinglight of how they can make an
impact for future generationsthemselves.
And I love I see that more inthe younger generations than I
(51:39):
do people my age and older howexcited they can be about a
project and make sure that theyare focused on this, the impact
that they can make on futuregenerations.
So those are the people that aregoing to, that are already
thinking about spacesustainability.
Those are already the peoplethat are thinking about what
does governance look like inother communities that are not
(52:01):
on Earth, and how can differentpeople with different
backgrounds work together?
Which is another very excitingthing about the space sector is
the collaboration betweendifferent countries, different
scientists with differentbackgrounds all working together
.
I mean, look at the ISS rightnow is a collaboration between
Japan, russia, the US, evenChina.
(52:23):
I mean so many differentcountries that on Earth are kind
of butting heads at the moment,but in space we're all working
together.
So can we take that andcontinue that in future
generations and keep their focuson wanting to make an impact
and impact investing and keepingthe social aspect of that alive
(52:45):
.
That's what I'm excited aboutand that's what I'm excited I've
already been seeing it so I'mexcited for them to keep that
hope alive.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
So what's a bold prediction that you think people
should be preparing for in theplace of this working in space?
Speaker 3 (53:05):
I'm going to go back to Henry Ford again You're going
to get cheaper and cheaper,less and less expensive flights.
You're going to get more andmore people going to space.
I think that Elon Musk's ideaof having a million people on
Mars is not far-fetched, and themore we can take the more into
space one time, the better,which is why he's building
(53:25):
larger and larger spacecraft andwhy we're going to need to get
to these spacesuits that thePolaristan mission is testing
out, because those can be massproduced much more easily than
these giant astronaut suits thatNASA astronauts wear today.
So I think that we will haverocket ships and flights to
space as common as cars aretoday, whether gas or electric
(53:49):
powered cars, on Earth.
I think that we'll have thatmany.
It'll be that accessible tohumans sooner than we all think.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
I agree, I agree, and you know I like to do the 222
for civilization.
I call it I don't want to sayrestarted civilization, but
you're my civilization, uh,foundation, so especially like
other planets.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
So the two books, two pieces of music and two things
you bring with you, it's likegoing through somebody's um, you
know, right, closet you learnpeople I think the um this is
such a hard question to answer,I think the if I could, if I
(54:32):
could bring two pieces of music,I would.
I'm going to cop out and saytwo albums instead of two songs.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That's fair.
I'll allow that.
That's fine.
I'll allow that, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I'd have to bring the David Bowie album, with Major
Tom on it, of course, and I'dhave to bring a Bastille album.
Any one of them.
I love them all.
Those are my two favoritepieces of music right now.
Again, super hard to narrowthat one down.
The book I'd bring with me isprobably the Truth Machine,
(55:09):
which is the first book thatkind of made me think about the
future.
I mean, I read, you know,roddenberry and Bradbury, and L
Ron Hubbard even had some decentsci-fi books.
I was very into sci-fi when Iwas a kid, but the Truth Machine
really made me bring thatscience fiction idea to.
That could, to that could.
That could probably happen.
You know, like we might be ableto develop the truth machine,
(55:32):
um, by James Halperin.
I love that book and I've readit a million times and I would
probably bring that book Um.
And a second book wouldprobably be um, another sci-fi
book that I haven't read yet.
I don't know.
I don't know what a second bookwould be.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
But a new book that I haven't read yet.
And then for things I would, Iimmediately, of course, thought
of a food item.
I love avocados, so if I couldhave a way to have unlimited
avocados when I'm in a new place, that's what I would want, and
then, I mean, I could be superlogical and say something to
(56:16):
play my records on is the seconditem.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
That's a logical thing.
That's great answers.
You've given some really greatadvice, and especially bringing
young people in, because that'sthat's really what we need to do
.
And but, what inspires you?
Though you've been veryinspirational to others and
buildings, well, what, what,what continues to inspire,
especially on those tough dayslike what continues to get?
Speaker 3 (56:39):
keep you going listen , this is my dream job that I
never even knew could exist.
I get to geek out on the spacethings.
I love science.
I've always been a fan and Iunderstand how things work.
I love learning.
So to get to talk to thesemission organizers about what
they're doing and then to use mybackground to figure out who
(57:02):
can I connect this person to.
And then to get to talk tobrands and media, companies and
family offices and high networth individuals about what
their hopes and dreams are andhow can I tie these things
together and how can I make awin-win situation for everybody.
I just I couldn't be in abetter place, and what inspires
me is being able to get to dothis job quite honestly.
(57:24):
I mean, this is like I said.
I never thought that I could bein the space sector after
spending so many years not in itand wishing I had been, and so
that's what inspires me, and Ihope I can inspire other people
to do the same thing.
I mean, it's just I'm in myhappy place right now and to be
involved in anything that has todo with the future and
(57:45):
innovation.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
that's that's what's inspiring me, if I can help get
us to the next place faster.
That's the goal and you'veyou've been off to a great start
with this and you know, if youwe talked a lot about you know,
kind of putting our future haton, how would you want your work
to be remembered?
I always love to ask the legacyquestion.
You know, know the impact.
You mentioned the word impact.
A lot of you know it's morethan just Gen Z, I mean, but
it's definitely that thatgeneration I'm an Xer it was
(58:12):
definitely us.
We weren't just slackers, webuilt the modern internet.
You're welcome.
You know, so you know what, whatimpact you hope you have on the
world when, when things are allsaid and done and you're
sipping martinis and you saidthe Space Bridge Partners is,
you know, officially out ofbusiness for in a good way.
So what's the legacy?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
I think two, two things that I'm really trying to
focus on.
One is to have people say like,wow, space Bridge Partners was
in the right place at the righttime and helped so many vital
missions get off the ground andwe got these things that I can't
even imagine, as you and I aresitting here today.
But look at this, this is whathappened.
Because of this mission, thatspace bridge got planted.
And then the second thing is,which I feel like I'm thankfully
(58:58):
coming in on the tail end of,is getting more and more females
involved in science and STEMand, hopefully, the space sector
, because it's still there's notdefinitely not parity in the
space sector right now, and Iwant to.
I want to be help, I want tohelp make that change, I want to
help make that sea changehappen, and I want to be one of
those names one of many I'm notthe only one, but one of many of
those names as saying that shehelped pave the way for more,
(59:21):
more women in space.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
That's great and, you know, as we wrap up, I'd love
for people to connect with youthis is a platform for voices
and obviously stay connected.
How can they stay updated withthe work, latest developments,
spacebridge and just you ingeneral Like so all the info.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, I think LinkedIn is.
We're very active on LinkedIn,spacebridge Partners on LinkedIn
or SpaceBridgePartners onLinkedIn or
SpaceBridgePartnerscom.
We keep our website updatedthere as well, and there's a
contact page.
Any one of those contact emailson that contact page can reach
me.
I'm also active on LinkedIn, soyou can find me on LinkedIn as
well, so those are probably theeasiest ways to get to me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Got it.
That's great, and thanks forbeing on the show today.
It's been a wonderfulconversation and cannot wait to
see what you're going to do nextwith SpaceBridge.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Thank you so much for having me and for asking me
very different questions than Ihave been asked before.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I really appreciate that and I'm glad to have you on
.
We'll have you on again soon.
Thanks a lot, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thanks for listening to Going Off World.
You can find us on all themajor podcast platforms and at
wwwgoingoffworldcom, as well ason YouTube under Going Off World
.
See you next time.
Welcome to Going Offworld, your gateway to the
cosmos beyond our Earth.
Join us as we embark on thisjourney together to the Moon,
mars, venus and beyond.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Episode 2 of Going Offworld.
I'm your host, steve Fisher.
Today we're diving into one ofthe most crucial yet often
overlooked aspects of spaceexploration how we fund
ambitious space missions.
Our guest is Sarah Peugeot,co-founder of Space Bridge
Partners At the pioneering firm.
It's revolutionizing howprivate capital connects with
(00:31):
space initiatives.
From discussing how lifemissions can benefit life on
Earth to exploring waysentrepreneurs can enter the
space sector, sarah sharesinvaluable insights about
democratizing access to spaceexploration.
In this fascinating conversation, sarah reveals how space
research is already improvinglife on Earth.
You'll hear aboutgroundbreaking missions studying
(00:53):
human reproduction in spacethat have led to a 35% increase
in IVS success rates here onEarth.
You heard that right Spacebabies.
It's just one of the examplesof how space exploration creates
unexpected benefits forhumanity.
You'll learn how SpaceBirdPartners is helping match
mission organizers with fundersand why you don't need to be a
(01:14):
billionaire or rocket scientistto make an impact in space.
So, whether you're a spaceenthusiast entrepreneur or
you're just curious about thefuture of space exploration,
this conversation revealsexciting new pathways for
getting involved in humanity'sgreatest adventure.
Join us on this journey wherethe sky is not the limit and the
(01:36):
stars are just the beginning.
Sarah, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks for having me.
So I am very familiar with yourwork, but for those who are not
, I would love for you to talkabout your journey and the space
(01:57):
industry, how you arrived inthis place and what inspired you
to create Space Bridge Partners.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, I was born no, I'm just kidding.
I've always been interested inspace.
Since I was a little girl.
I wanted to be an astronauteither that or Wonder.
Woman.
I loved Wonder Woman.
But, yeah, I always wanted to bean astronaut and have been
interested in space my wholelife.
I did all my grade schoolreports on designs that people
had created for off-worldcommunities and just was
(02:29):
fascinated by that whole idea,and so my goal when I went to UC
Berkeley was to graduate withan astronomy degree and then go
to NASA and be an astronaut,maybe fly for the armed forces,
something like that in betweenand I ended up not majoring in
astronomy and got a temp jobthat led to five years at this
(02:51):
company that was a calendarpublisher.
So I ended up, which led toanother job and another job, and
I ended up doing about 30 plusyears in consumer products,
mostly in products for kids thatwere licensed they would have
SpongeBob SquarePants on them,or, you know, elsa from Frozen
and I headed up teams that wereresponsible for licensing,
(03:16):
negotiating licensing contractswith people like Disney and
others and also selling theproducts into chain store
retailers in North America andEurope.
And, however, I met one of myco-founders, guillermo Sunline,
at UC Berkeley, and we bothbonded over our love of space.
We both wanted to be anastronaut and we've kept in
(03:39):
touch all these years.
And one day I reached out andsaid I'm living vicariously
through your LinkedIn posts andhe said well, now's the time,
let's talk.
So we were on the phone forthree hours one day and he
invited me to one of his fundedand everyone in the industry
loved it Some of the big launchpartners especially loved it and
(04:09):
said come back when you havesome money.
And he said there's got to be away to get some of this money.
I'm not a wealthy person and Idon't have access to the numbers
that we would need to get thisoff the ground, literally.
So he actually had this ideaand there was a point where I
wanted to make the finaltransition out of consumer
(04:30):
products into the space industryafter going to space
conferences and space-relatedfunctions for a couple of years,
and I said look, I'll take thisidea and run with it, let me
head it up.
So he and I co-founded it witha third co-founderid Al Ali, who
used to work at NASA Ames formany years and is now based in
Qatar.
(04:50):
And so the three of us foundedthe company and officially
launched it in January of 2024.
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's, that's quite a story, I know you.
You, it's funny when you talkabout merchandising.
I want to bring this to thespace side for a sec, but it
always reminds me of as a longtime you know, seeing star wars
in the theaters when it came out, the you know, having had toys
as a kid the merchandising thatreal that I mean star wars
(05:21):
really changed the game.
You, you know, with brand andlicensing and merchandising I
mean the process for somethinglike that.
You know I have a young son whois very much into Marvel and
Spider-Man and the MandalorianStar Wars as well as SpongeBob.
Yeah, but you see it everywhere.
(05:42):
I mean, do you have to?
Does someone have to licensesomething from you Like how does
that, how does it generallywork?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yes, so all of those, except for SpongeBob, all of
those properties you mentionedare owned by Disney, so you
would have to go to Disney andask for permission, permission.
Spongebob is a Paramountproperty, so you ask them for
permission.
But, yes, you'd go and ask forpermission to use their likeness
or their character's IP on yourproduct and you have to pay
(06:12):
royalties.
And there's many different waysto negotiate by region,
globally Is it 2D, is it 3D, isit an action figure, is it sound
, which is a whole otherlicensing ballgame.
And so, yeah, you ask forpermission, and if they don't
already have another product onthe market that's the same thing
(06:35):
with that likeness, thenthey'll give you the rights to
use it, and it's for a certainamount of time and a certain
number of channels, and acertain number of countries and
it's all very complex, which isone of the reasons why I think
Yermo thought I'd be good inheading to Facebook partners,
because it's involving a lot ofcomplicated agreements between
many different parties, andsomething that I kind of love to
(06:59):
do is put those pieces togetherand connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think about the NASA logo and the NASA licensing
.
You know, you go, you buy.
There's a store in Houston, atthe Houston airport, and I
usually, if I'm down there forwork, I will bring something
home.
You know something from theNASA store but it's become, you
know quite.
It's about the iconic licensingof those brands.
Yes, and this, you know,relates to, like you know, like
(07:26):
you said, with licensing, the IPitself.
But I have often wondered ifyou know companies will lend
their brand to fund projects, ifyou create, if SpaceBridge
partner is going to create someof its own brands, that way they
can license.
I mean, that's also maybe akind of a tangential question,
(07:49):
but I mean your experience inthat is pretty extensive.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No one's ever asked me that question before, and
that's a pretty fascinatingquestion.
I didn't really even think ofthat.
I think, since we're more of aservice provider, I feel like we
could probably help build someof those brands and help them
spin out.
But I don't know if we, atleast today, that's not on our
agenda to do.
But I would never say never.
(08:17):
That's a really interesting.
That's a really interestingquestion.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, I think it's, yeah, it's absolutely.
I mean, you've you just started?
When did what?
What exactly did you startspace bridge when?
When did it start?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
it officially launched in january 9th, on
january 9th of 2024.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So yeah, about eight months ago yeah, nine months ago
.
Um, so this year's been growing.
You've been growing quickly andwhat opportunities you're
seeing happening across thiskind of the early stages of the
company for you?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, what's really exciting is, all the people that
I've talked to that are on thespace side of things are like
where have you been?
This is so necessary.
I'm so excited.
Also, can you help us?
So that's been a good response.
On the funding side of things,it's been interesting to see the
different kinds of people thatare interested in what we're
(09:11):
doing and immediately mostpeople go right to oh so you're
a VC?
No, we don't fund companies andwe're not looking for
investments.
We're looking for funding.
And to your point about brandsand properties, this is a great
way to participate in a fewdifferent ways.
I have seen brands participatewhere they may have their logo
(09:34):
on a piece of the machinery,like the spacecraft or the
instrument that's being used inspace, but don't pay marketing
activation dollars.
They'll offer services or theequipment itself.
So there's these neatcollaborations that are
happening.
There's also companies thatwill pay, obviously, to have
(09:55):
eyeballs on some of these spacemissions because it relates to
their MO.
So if they're a brand that'sinto speed, for example, they
might want to sponsor a spacemission that is launching
something that would be thefastest thing in space, which is
one of the missions that is onour pipeline right now.
So there's so many differentways to piece those things
(10:17):
together.
That's the exciting part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, and that kind of leads to you.
You know we had the coremission of space rich partners,
like kind of.
You know you've you touched onit a little bit, but kind of
just for kind of can youcondense it into kind of the
pitch, if you will like the?
You know, if I'm, I'm in thisin the industry and you know,
and Guillermo and I have had alot of conversations about the
(10:41):
industry.
The industry or the space is aplace versus the space industry,
it's like it's a place to work.
So you know, let's talk about,let's talk about mission.
You know you talked aboutyou're not a VC.
You talk about licensing later.
There's so much of thisecosystem that is fertile ground
.
So where do you, where's thefocus right now?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So we're focused on a very specific niche.
The one sentence pitch is weconnect private capital and
space missions focused onscience, education and
exploration, and the way that wecame about is, basically, most
of those missions are notcommercial missions, so there's
not a financial ROI.
There are missions that arevital in science, in exploration
(11:28):
, education, in the sense thatthey're studying our planet.
They're studying our solarsystem and deep space.
There are things beingdeveloped in space that can be
used on Earth that will helphumankind.
But a lot of those missions,especially the initial missions
that might lead to somethingthat can be used on Earth, don't
have that commercial ROI.
(11:49):
But you need the science andtesting and tech demos first to
happen, and those are themissions that many of them do
get grant funding or governmentfunding, but not enough to cover
the full cost of the mission.
So that's where Faith BridgePartners comes in is to help
them fund in full or partiallyto get these missions off the
ground.
Usually these missions areorganized by universities or
(12:11):
nonprofits or small civil spaceagencies that don't have a NASA
budget, and those are primarilythe missions that we look to
support because we know thatthey're so vital and they
usually are not able to get 100%of the funding.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So let's walk through kind of a life cycle, so kind
of your ideal customer.
So you talked about university,you talked about a couple
different types of stakeholdersor potential customers.
Let's scenario play here for asec.
So I would be entrepreneur Am Itrying to do a launch, like I
(12:48):
have a satellite, I want tomaybe do some type of weather
study, like, and I want to getsomething into space, for maybe
it's a weather data company I'mcreating.
I want to do something forclimate, right, is that a good
example?
Or just on a, is that a goodpersona?
Because I want to, just I wantto help people.
(13:08):
Kind of envision, like theworld, the process, the world,
because it can sometimes be alittle more abstract in that way
.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So yeah, actually I would flip that on it 180
degrees.
Our client is really the funder.
So, it's a high net worthindividual, it's a brand, it's a
media company who's looking tosupport the space sector, and so
our product, if you will, arethese missions like your example
(13:38):
that you gave, that you're,you're organizing a mission that
involves a weather satellite.
So you, on the on the missionorganizer side, you'd come to us
and say I have this idea, thisis what I want to do, here's our
team, here's the budget, here'sthe timeline, and our team will
vet that and it will end up onour pipeline.
But really, that's just anotherproduct that we're selling for
(14:01):
all intents and purposes, and soour customer, our client, is
really a high networksindividual that wants to support
the space sector or that mayhave a specific interest they
might be interested in.
They might be interested inclient, they might be interested
in climate change, and so yourproject could be a good one to
(14:22):
pair them with.
Or you could be a brand that'sinterested, like I mentioned
before, that's interested.
They're all about speed.
Maybe you're Formula One, forexample, and you want to show
that you're innovative, soyou're supporting something in
space, and if it has to do withspeed, that would be a perfect
mission for you, or something todo with speed right.
Or if you're a documentary thathas been looking for a subject
(14:44):
about climate change, maybe theywant to feature your mission
and part of the documentary.
So those were the matchmakersRight and we're almost like.
We're almost like a sales teamfor all the mission organizers.
So if you needed help funding,you'd be the product that we
would try to sell to one ofthese funders and I hate to say
(15:06):
the word sell because we're notreally selling anything.
We're just trying to supportthe whole space ecosystem and
get your mission launched.
So we would know that high networth individual A is not
interested at all in earthsciences.
They're more interested inmining asteroids.
But high net worth individual Bis very interested in the
(15:26):
weather and climate change andthey might be very interested in
funding your mission.
So that's the way we look at it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Okay.
So let me kind of, like yousaid, kind of flip that because
you are a bridge.
Right, you are a bridge betweenthem, because could they come
at you from one side?
Because could they come at youfrom one side?
So I'm the entrepreneur.
But then there's like the GatesFoundation that does climate
part of the foundation we'retalking about grants but say
that their mission is to do thistype of climate work.
(15:55):
Well, they may not even knowthat this person trying to do
this work exists.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So do you work to create the, to create the roster
of funder, potential funders,yes.
And then when the mission kindof do you do it in a kind of
categorization, so do you putout I'm not talking about prizes
, I'm talking about just more oflike, just like a not like a
venture firm, where you have aportfolio of focus, like you
have a climate agenda or youhave this type of I don't know
(16:29):
type of exploration, energy type, maybe a solar shield in space.
I don't know, I'm just makingstuff up.
So those people would do?
You have like an energy sector,like, imagine this firm, your
firm, larger, you'd have like amaybe, like environment,
practice and energy, and thenyou'd be able to find the people
(16:50):
looking to do missions.
And then you, or does theactual funder have missions in
mind?
It may, might or might not.
That's why cause like sometimesit's you don't know, you don't
know, and you might be a perfectmatch or the person looking
could help your agenda and theymight not even think about space
as a way.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Right.
Right, so and those are thepeople that we're trying to
reach too.
So it's it's a little bit ofall of the above.
Um, today, if you're asking methis question today, um, we are
vetting our missions to makesure that we have a variety of
funds needed, a variety ofmissions that they're focused on
(17:28):
.
You know one, like I mentioned,one could be the fastest human
made object.
One is looking for signs oflife on another planet.
One, like your example, couldbe studying Earth's weather and
climate.
So we try to make sure that wedon't have a lot of the same
missions or the same similarmissions on our pipeline.
We're looking at missions thathave launch dates ranging
(17:50):
anywhere from January of 2025 onout through the 2030s.
So we're trying to have areally good variety to start,
because we're still building outour funding network to make
sure that we have a good varietyto meet a lot of the needs of
people that we're talking to.
But down the road, when we're,you know, five years old or 10
years old, just what you said isthat we will have people you
(18:16):
know, bridge builders, if youwill focused in certain sectors,
because we know that thisfunder is interested in energy.
That funder is interested in,you know, climate.
This other funder is interestedin energy.
That funder is interested inclimate, this other funder is
interested in human health,things like that.
So we would have those dotconnectors connecting those
kinds of funders with thosekinds of missions in our
(18:37):
pipeline.
So it's right now.
Now the focus is on what thefunders are looking for and and
making sure that we have a nicevariety of missions in our
pipeline so that we can meetmost of the needs that are out
there and steer people in theright direction too.
I mean, we're really hoping toget in front of brands, media
(18:58):
companies and high networkindividuals that are like I
would love to be involved inspace and support it, but I
don't even know how.
Those are the people that we'retrying to reach right now,
until our business plan becomesso big that there's more of us
out there doing the same thingand we're solving this problem
on a massive scale instead ofmission by mission, which we are
doing right now.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So to kind of not to give away all the secret sauce,
but in terms of business model,you know, how does SpaceBridge
make its money?
Is it from fees and launch feesover time?
Is it management of the like?
Because I would imagine, ifthings are planned out,
obviously somebody puts money infor a mission which you know
(19:40):
kind of here and there between,but obviously you need to run a
business right.
It's like how does that create?
How does it createsustainability for the business
over time?
Like, how do you create aconsistent?
Because you're not a VC, soyou're not trying to like, raise
a mission fund for thisenvironment, for this focus
right, or this mission fund forthis right, and then you would
(20:01):
make management fees on that.
That's more of a VC venturecapital model.
But how do you kind of, how didyou as thinking through this
business and doing this, how doyou approach that?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
So there's two different ways.
The main way that we earnrevenue is through a success fee
.
So if we were to get a donationfrom a high net worth
individual, or if we were tohelp negotiate a brand
sponsorship or help negotiate amedia partnership, we would take
a success fee from those funds.
The other way is for a missionorganizer or a potential funder
(20:39):
to hire us on retainer to dosome research for them.
So say, there's a brand companythat says this is what my
brand's all about.
I'm looking for missions focusedon X, y and Z.
If we didn't already have oneof those missions in our
pipeline, we could reach out toour network and see if we could
find one or help put onetogether.
Now we would not personallylaunch a mission, we would just
(21:00):
help coordinate making thatmatch.
But yeah, and then on the otherside of that, if the mission
organizer says I would love yourhelp in figuring out what
brands we should go after, youknow, obviously we would offer
that service, but if they wantedto do it themselves, we could
do some research on their behalftoo to look at ways that they
could get some funding.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So, for example, if, like Anthropic came to you and
says we want to put Claude inspace, it makes you think of
Skynet.
But I'm just saying but if theywanted to do an experimental,
you know, do an applicationmodel or an imaging model or
something they would hire you tothen kind of create the mission
, build it out, find maybe thematching companies that could do
(21:42):
the work, or the launchcompanies that could actually,
you know, execute on that rightand be that launch firm, if you
will, a launch coordinator firmas such.
That's interesting because itis definitely a gap.
There's always the peopletrying, seems to be two things
people with dreams trying to doit, and people with money that
(22:05):
maybe are just really in alimited space because all they
want to do is just, you know,getting people up into space.
That seems to be the main thing, which is great because I
believe, if I look at whatElon's doing with Starship, you
know, he's creating a Star andmost people don't know, but
probably those listening do.
he's creating a Starship factory, much like the Gigafactory, and
(22:29):
that essentially is like a FordMotor Company assembly line for
spaceships.
That is, I mean, the price.
I'm trying to think the price20 years ago.
If I remember right, the price20 years ago to get someone in
to get something into space was$10,000 an ounce, I think, and
(22:51):
now it's down to like a couplehundred off a thousand.
We have to get it down to likenot like very little, because
then that cost opens to the massmarket, just from not more like
UPS delivering packages to thespace station, but the fact that
we can bring people up there.
But there's so much more aroundthat right, exactly.
(23:13):
I've always envisioned that thethe mission to mars would be
sponsored by, like disney orsome media, media companies,
because to me, the lot, thereality show aspect of this, the
going on the journey, thebranding of aspects of it, the
licensing capability, likelicensing, it's, it's immense,
(23:35):
it's immense and there's justthere's so much fertile ground.
You know people listening tothis, um, are there how, when
you look at all theseopportunities, how do you
evaluate and prioritize them?
Like, how do you?
Who do you choose to?
How do you choose to supportthem?
Because some people can comewith great ideas Like how do you
(23:57):
, how do you vet that?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The first thing we do is to see if they have a
mission completely organized.
So we have had a lot of peoplecome to us saying I've got this
awesome thing that could be usedin space and we say great, are
you, do you have a mission planto test it?
And they say no, and it's likeI'm sorry, we don't have the
bandwidth to help you with that.
Come back when you have amission.
So if the mission is fully,fully organized and vetted and a
(24:21):
lot of times people are comingto us saying I have, you know,
$500,000, I need a million, canyou help me with the last 500?
So the first thing we look atis what is the purpose of the
mission?
What is your unique, what'syour differentiator?
What is the science you'retrying to accomplish on this
mission?
The second thing we look for iswhat does your budget look like
(24:41):
?
Because we can usually tellright off the bat if this is a
reasonable mission or not justby the budget they're putting
against it.
The third thing is what is yourtimeline?
And the fourth thing is theteam.
Actually, the team's probablythe most important thing.
Have they ever done this before?
Have they been in the spacesector?
Do they have the credentialsfor the science that they want
to do.
(25:01):
Are there PhDs involved in thatscience?
And so we look at.
Those are the first things thatwe look at, and then we'll vet
from there to make sure that itfalls under our MO.
Are they a nonprofit or auniversity or an underserved
community that would have a hardtime raising the funds?
Those are people we would lookat and again trying to, in these
(25:23):
beginning stages, round out ourportfolio just because we have
limited bandwidth with our smallteam we're about 13 people,
which includes advisors as wellbut do we have the bandwidth and
does it make sense to fall intoour pipeline?
In terms of the variety, whichI mentioned earlier, are the
timelines spread out?
Are the mission differentiatorsdifferent enough from each
(25:47):
other, and like that?
So those are the steps that wetake to vet the missions, and a
lot of times, too, it willdepend on our relationships with
the mission organizers.
I'm lucky enough to have a lotof people in the space sector on
the team that know a lot of theplayers in the game, and those
are the people that aresubmitting missions to us.
(26:07):
So it's nice to have that kindof a personal referral as well
in our network.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So if, if I was an entrepreneur, um, I'll take from
my own experience, um, that'llkind of make it a little more
personal.
So I built an air taxi company20 years ago, a little ahead of
its time, but it's now cominginto play, right, and I believe
(26:34):
that we're going to needmobility on the planet, not just
about getting there and drivingaround, but flying around.
So, like say, I wanted to builda craft that not only worked
here on Earth, but I wanted tobuild something that could be
mobile for mars, like, like, howwould, and I I have some
(26:58):
experience.
I'm not a space, I'm notexperienced with a mission, what
.
I have a background in theother things aviation, or I have
a team that you know avionics,airframe we can build the craft,
we can build the engine, powerplant, and we want to, but we
need someone that's one going tohelp us build something for
(27:19):
earth.
And then in the next, over thenext 10 years, prototype,
something that we could, maybe asmall prototype we could send
with a starship to test outright how.
How is someone who's anentrepreneur or you know looking
to do that, get into the like?
Focusing on the missions, whatwould they if they were trying
(27:41):
to come to you?
What would they, what would beneeded or what would help?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Um, what would help is having it more, having the
mission more put together, justbased on our current state of
Space Bridge Partners again likewe're more well-equipped to
help the mission organizers thathave something pretty well put
together.
However, as I mentioned, a lotof our team comes from space
background, so I'm sure we wouldbe able to give you plenty of
(28:10):
referrals to talk to.
To get this off the ground, Iwould recommend having some PhDs
on your team that wouldunderstand how your engine would
have to be modified to work onEarth versus to work on Mars,
because obviously the atmosphereis quite different, and so we
could either help you with thosereferrals if you really wanted
(28:33):
extensive amount of help and tohave us basically help you put
the mission together, you wouldhire us on retainer.
But if you're just a bunch ofnerds-?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That was my next question.
Yeah, because if I had, say, aquarter million dollars in angel
funding and we wanted to getthe mission together, that we
could hire your firm to help putthat part of the plan together,
to make the mission, to makesolid the mission and even the
resourcing of the, of theexperts and the people that
needed to be on the teameventually for it.
(29:02):
That's great, the mission teamitself.
So that's great.
Yes, I've been very muchlooking forward to this because
I've often wondered how doessomeone beyond the billionaires
and the multi-multi-millionairesbecome?
I mean, they're essentiallybeing space entrepreneurs.
You're essentially helping themmove into that space.
(29:26):
They might have adjacent skillsets and good skill sets, but
not direct space experience.
I didn't work for JPL or as muchas I would love, have loved to.
I don't you know, I didn't workfor, you know, nasa or SpaceX.
So I think there's anopportunity, that there are
millions of entrepreneurs outthere that would love to figure
(29:48):
out how to crack this and reallyget into being a space
entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, there are millions of space adjacent
companies too that contribute tothe space sector.
You don't have to be a SpaceXor a rocket lab to be a major
player in the sector.
So there's so many differentways and it's becoming more and
more apparent what those waysare and more and more of those
opportunities are becomingavailable because of how quickly
(30:16):
the space sector is evolving.
I mean, look at the PolarisDawn mission yesterday.
It's completely privatelyfunded and we've got four
non-professional astronauts.
They've been trained asastronauts.
So I hate to call themnon-professional, but that seems
to be what the press is callingthem.
But they're not, you know,they're not from NASA, they're
not, you know, from a spaceagency.
(30:36):
This is a completely privatelyfunded mission of everyday
civilians like we are pushinginnovation forward and testing
new space sets and testing newtechnology.
That's up there.
So you don't have to beliterally a rocket scientist to
be involved in space anymore.
It's just we're on the cusp ofthis exploding into a huge
(30:58):
industry for quote, unquotecivilians.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
now you make a great point.
There needs to be new languagebecause back in the day and you
know, Ed White did the firstspacewalk back in Gemini in I
think 64, 63, something likethat and my dates are off but
those days being in NASA, youwere usually well, all of them
(31:25):
were ex-military, were theremilitary, they were trans, so it
was a service.
You were a public service, soyou were a government employee
essentially, and that kind of.
We talk about astronauts inthat we still talk about them
like that.
We don't talk about them aspeople, as private citizens,
(31:45):
versus, I don't even think thecareer astronaut or professional
astronaut and private.
We need, we do need a newlanguage because there's people
who are the experienced, youknow people that come to the
space is their career, that'stheir life.
(32:06):
Right and there are people whohave other careers that come to
this.
Yes and we need we do it's aperfect.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
other careers that come to this yes, and we do
definitely need it.
Elon Musk is a perfect example.
I have to say, what's that Like?
Elon Musk is a perfect example.
He's not from space, and lookwhat he's created.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
People might think he's an alien.
I think he's a time traveler.
But I think he's a timetraveler.
Look, he knows exactly whereit's all going.
Well, you know, and I've allI've I've talked about this on
other podcasts is, uh, you know,as an entrepreneur and a
student of it and an author ofbooks on startups, you know it's
(32:43):
about the.
He's an ecosystem builder.
Right, there are, there aredifferent levels in which
products and services build.
There's the kind of the baseproduct, then there's platforms,
then there's ecosystems andthen there's economies, and only
the big one.
When I talk about economy, Imean ecosystems are great
because there's tons of partners.
It's a great.
(33:03):
People work for you know, theywork with your product.
The economies establish newtypes of jobs.
If you think about it 30, 25years ago, if you would have
said the term SEO specialists,that didn't exist until Google.
Right, they created a new, awhole economy.
Right, facebook, social media,social media analysts and
(33:26):
strategists.
Right, whole job sectors.
He's creating, he's got anecosystem built, but he's
building a whole economy inwhich people will be able to and
they do now right, they work inthat, but even I would say the
masses, when I think about allhe's doing.
You know, and talking toguillermo was on an earlier
(33:46):
podcast and if you anybodylistening, if you haven't
listened to it, I highlyrecommend you check it out.
Um, the he is, and we'll talkabout Guillermo in a second,
because it's important in termsof your relationship and how you
work, because I draw parallelsto him and Elon about
multi-planetary species, butthere's application on earth.
That's where my heart is Like.
(34:07):
If you, most spaceentrepreneurs have their dreams
of doing something out there,but most investors don't have
that kind of timeframe forreturn, correct.
So there needs to be arationale and a okay, let's
build it here, let's test ithere, let's get the investors in
(34:28):
to create something of valuefor this planet, but with a
long-term vision that it's goingto have a multi-planetary
impact.
Elon's doing the same thing.
The Boring Company isn't justabout so he can dig something
from Los Angeles to SanFrancisco.
It's about digging tunnels onMars.
Right, it's electric.
(34:50):
Cars are going to be on Mars.
The robots may be our.
We may have care robots andpeople will.
I completely see people formingpersonal relationships with our
robots, like R2D2 or C3PO, butthose robots will do the.
They'll do the hard work onMars.
They'll do the dangerous workon Mars.
Right, everything is for there,but the people who are
investing in it now.
(35:10):
Right, everything is for there,but the people who are
investing in it now.
It has use here.
So when you look at missions,do you ever have any type of
conversations about, okay, yourmissions in here?
Do you ever coach them or doanything on retainer to help
them find value here?
Or is it just really more aboutthe space industry itself?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Oh, I love that question.
Yes, it's interesting.
Many of the mission organizersthat we talk to are not
entrepreneurs like you.
They're scientists that havebeen in their field for a long
time.
They could be astrobiologists,they could be astrophysicists,
they could be not even thatastropart, they could be
biologists or physicists thatare looking to do something and
(35:58):
they see their work from a veryscientific angle.
That for somebody like me whowas very interested in science
when I was a kid, I get veryexcited about it.
But if you put that person infront of a potential funder,
they'll fall asleep.
So we help them develop thatvalue proposition and understand
what their contribution canmake.
(36:18):
And two things related to whatyou were just talking about.
One is the timelines.
You need to have thesescientific missions happen so
that the things will happen at alater date, like you said.
So some of these missions thatwe have on our pipeline are
legacy-making missions.
So you might not get afinancial return, but you'll
(36:41):
definitely to have your nametied to some of these missions
that are in our pipeline, whichare so exciting and could be
literal game changers in the waywe think about biologic life,
the way we think about how fastsomething can move in space.
Even the way we think aboutthings that could happen on
Earth, those are big gamechangers.
And then also, the opposite ofsomething that you said, are
(37:02):
things that are already workinggreat on Earth and, you know,
like Boring Company, all theserobots that will be working on
Mars.
Some of the things that we'reworking on now, or I should say
our mission organizers areworking on now, will help people
on Earth, and one example ofthat is a set of missions that
is looking to see if humans cansuccessfully reproduce in less
(37:23):
than 1G that we have here onEarth.
So if you have a lower gravity,you know we're planning on
putting people on the moon andMars.
Those do not have the samegravity as Earth.
So for all we know, it could bea one generation mission.
People go up there and thenthey die because they can't
reproduce, and then no one'sleft.
We'll have to keep sending newpeople on a one way ticket.
So if this company discoversthat we can reproduce in less
(37:47):
than one G, that's going to bevery important to becoming an
interplanetary species.
Along the way of them figuringthis out, they developed a
technology that is helping invitro fertilization success rate
grow by about 35%, so that's ahuge thing for people on Earth
that you know are having kids,so it's exciting to see how that
(38:07):
science can be used on Earth aswell.
There's so much science that'sbeen developed for space that
helps people on Earth already.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So was their pitch when they pulled up the first
slide.
Did it just say space babies?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, it did not.
That'd be a good way.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm here to talk to you today about space babies.
Space babies but it's a veryimportant thing.
I'm often reminded of the Ithink there was a couple in
space and we're going to figurethat out about just the you know
interaction part, if you will.
But the conception, you know,is a whole different story
(38:43):
because, you know, can you havea baby, like if you're in a
space station, right, if you'rein a long-term space station,
can you raise children, right,and even mars's gravity met a
couple of shows that try to kindof represent that right in the
expanse.
The piece people that live,that grow up on mars is a third
(39:04):
of the gravity of earth and theycome back and they have to take
medicine, they have to trainlike it's their body, even their
composition is they, it's.
It's hard, it's like torture,it's like somebody laying here
and you having to carry aroundlike a 200 pound weight on your
shoulders.
It's like, or you know, I thinkof um.
(39:26):
There's another great show.
It's an alternate history show,um, uh show for all mankind.
There's a baby that was born on,or she was pregnant, I think,
and she was on Mars and she hadher baby.
Maybe she had the baby I'mtrying to remember exactly how
but they got her out of Mars andshe went back.
But because he was born there,his health he had trouble on
(39:53):
Earth and then he went to Marsand all of his health issues
kind of cleared up.
So there's even not even justconception, but there's
long-term benefits of eventuallythe human race might split
because there might be peoplethat can't function on earth and
people that can only be, youknow on.
But to your point about likeIVF, I mean it's addressing
(40:17):
modern challenges for people andI think that's a that's such a
wonderful example, you know,that's a great example of, you
know, of success and but thereare a lot of challenges out
there, Like what do you thinkare the biggest challenges
facing the industry right now?
And just working in space andjust what you're seeing right
(40:38):
now.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
A few different.
It was hard to narrow this downto just a few answers.
I think one is publicperception.
Everyone still thinks it's theElon Musk and Jeff Bezos of the
world and that's not the caseand it's becoming less and less
the case.
So how do we educate the publicthat they can be involved,
whether they're a writer or achef or a janitor, like so many,
an architect so many differenttypes of careers can be involved
(41:05):
in the space sector today.
I mean, I'm a perfect exampleof it.
I don't have 30 yearsexperience, but I'm an
enthusiast and understand how toconnect the dots and excited
about the science behind things.
So I think one is publicperception is one of the biggest
challenges vital sciencemissions and exploration
missions funded.
They are crucial to taking thenext steps in things, which is
(41:38):
why I'm so excited about thisPolaris Dawn mission, because
they're just testing our let'sexplain.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
let's stop with my choice, that's for the audience
who may not know.
Can you explain Polaris Dawn,so that way they know?
Kind of a grounding before youdive into that.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Sure Polaris Dawn.
It's the first privately fundedspace mission with and I hate
to say non-professional again.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But yeah, we mentioned that before, but it's
like, yeah, he's, he is a andhe's been in space before, so
for him this is a personal goal,because he will be a private
citizen taking a spacewalk thefirst private citizen to do so
Versus a government militaryserving your country.
(42:23):
He's kind of I don't want to saybuying into history, but he is,
is but the importance of beingable to accomplish that as a
private citizen and that itmakes space walks more I don't
want to say common, but not forone more accessible.
Yes, so he's funding.
Yeah, he's, he's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It's Jared Isaacman too, just so stop saying he is
the one that funded the mission,and there's three other
astronauts on this mission thatare quote unquote civilian
astronauts.
But they are all also doingscience, and one of the key
things, going back to your HenryFord argument is he's testing
spacesuits that can be massproduced, because if Elon Musk
(43:07):
and other people want to getthousands of people on Mars,
you're going to have to be ableto create many, many of these
spacesuits.
And so he's up there testingthat, and you saw all that live
footage from his first spacewalkwas him measuring how far he
can move his left arm, how hecan move his right arm, how he
could use the mobility aid youknow climbing out of the capsule
(43:28):
.
So these are all vital thingsthat we're going to need to do
that I'm hoping we can help rampup having this happen more and
more often and not need you knowbillionaires, but we can get
you know people that are ahundred millionaires, or we can
get brands involved.
We can get more media companiesinvolved.
There's so many ways to pullthese resources and to make this
(43:51):
, like you said, more accessiblefor everyday people and get
this to the point of being theHenry Ford of space.
There's got to be ways that wecan continue to capitalize on
all these economies of scale aswe continue to grow the sector
and all the different parts ofthe sector involved in getting
humans into space.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So let's have a little.
Let's put our futures hat onSpaceBridge Partners 2035.
Let's talk.
We can weave it into long-termgoals but what do?
You, what do you see for your,for the firm, Like, what do you
let's?
Let's kind of put our futureshat on?
You talked about missions outthere.
(44:30):
What does it mean?
The goals, like, where doesSpace Bridge Partners kind of,
where is it in 2035, whichreally not that far away?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It really is, yeah, I think, 2035, we're not the only
ones out there doing this,which would be really exciting.
Honestly, I don't think it willhappen in 10 years, but I would
love to put ourselves out ofbusiness because so many
philanthropists and brandingbrand companies, media partners
will see the value in this andthey will already know how to
(45:00):
get to a mission organizer tohelp fund it.
But I do see us as being, sincewe're the first out there, I
would like us to be the mainplatform, kind of you know, the
kick, the Kickstarter, if youwill like.
People want to.
I'm on there and I'm interestedin a certain thing.
I can go to this website andfind a mission I can fund, or
I'm a mission organizer and Iwant to reach out to these kinds
of funders.
Here's a way to do it.
(45:21):
So it'd be great to continue tobe that one streamlining cog in
the center of all thesedifferent players on both sides
of the table the missionorganizers and the potential
funders and we'll have a globalteam that will have expertise in
different sectors.
Like you said, there could beclimate change function, there
could be an energy function,there could be an exploration
(45:43):
function and extraterrestrialdomains.
You know things like that.
So, but I think, sticking toour core belief of just helping
humanity learn more and helphumans on Earth as well as
become an interplanetary species, and just get the science, the
vital science, that comes ofthese non-commercial missions,
(46:03):
keep those happening, make sureas many of those missions can
happen as possible every year.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
That's great.
So, and let's go the otherdirection, in the past, present
or future.
If you could fund orparticipate in any mission, what
would it be?
Past, present, future, whateverit is, what would you want to
be?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
part of.
I'm going to steal an answer.
I'm going to steal an answerfrom Dr Natalie Cabral, who I
interviewed at CENI last week,and say all of them I'm so
excited about like I wish wewere going to fly on the wall on
the Apollo missions.
I'm excited about some of thehabitats I've seen out of you
know, dreamt up by somearchitects, that I'm hoping to
(46:43):
see come to fruition.
I want to go to space somehow,some way.
Guillermo we mentioned him afew times has an idea to put a
thousand people inhabiting theatmosphere of Venus.
I would like to be one of thosepeople.
I don't think I would want tostay up there, but I would
definitely want to go up thereand check it out and come back.
So, yeah, I mean, I hate thatsort of a cop cop out answer,
(47:07):
but I'm so excited about spacein general and having my whole
life I would, I want toparticipate in any mission.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I want to fund the first solar sail mission.
I want to participate like Iwant to see if we can really
like because I like, I likesailing on water if we can
really like cause I like, I likesailing on water.
So if we could actually achieverapid, you know, space, like
I'm not talking about sub, evensub light, but if we can get
(47:35):
really fast in terms of how tomove around the solar system
with solar sails and no likecause propulsion, I've, I've.
I was asked this question on apodcast, like if I was in a
space role, what would I havedone?
Cause I was, you know, for ahot minute, considered I'm a
pilot, but I considered doingaerospace engineering.
Math is not my subject, um, I'mthe, I'm the artist, but I
(48:00):
would have loved, I would havebeen a propulsion person,
absolutely, without, without adoubt.
Cause, like I met Freeman Dysonmany years ago at Esther
Dyson's flight school conferenceback in 20 years ago when I was
doing this I noticed themillionaires had the air taxi
companies, the billionaires hadthe space companies.
I was not a millionaire, thoughI was like some other category
(48:21):
of oh yeah broke.
But listening to him talk aboutthe Orion project of nuclear
propulsion, I just think we haveto.
And I interviewed Dr JeffLandis.
We talked about the propulsiontypes out there and we have to
figure out the propulsionproblem right now.
We have to find ways not onlyto find the fuel outside of
(48:46):
Earth but also other ways tocreate new types of propulsion
systems so that we can movearound, because it's just not.
We are.
If you use the, go back toHenry.
If we use the automobileanalogy, it is essentially like
those.
You know horseless carriages,you know that's essentially
where we are right now.
That you know horselesscarriages, you know that's
(49:06):
essentially where we are rightnow.
We're in horseless carriagemode where it's like crank it up
, do everything, driver.
You know it's got the basickind of modes but yeah, we don't
even have like paved roads andit's, it's a mess.
Yet and that's where it's stillin its infancy.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
But that's what I would totally you know well,
there's been a couple of solarsail tech demos already, so I I
think we're on our way.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
We are, we are that's what I'm saying.
Like I want to go to likeJupiter, like if we can get a
solar sail to like to Jupiter.
I'm not saying there's amonolith out there, but I'd like
to know, but you'd like to know.
But I'd like to know I'mcurious about what's beyond
Voyager.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Can we pass?
Can we set a solar sail or someother fast item?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I'm just kind of like for those listening, not on the
video, like and just wave likeyou know, yeah, no, it's your
point Can we pass Voyager in mylifetime.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
That's one thing that I would love to be involved in.
Can I see data from beyondVoyager while I'm still alive?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
That's a great one, you know.
So, for those listening andkind of really getting inspired
by this, like what would youlike them to like?
You know, really know aboutyour passion about the future
and the role of private funding.
What do you think it is Like?
What would you like them toknow that you haven't shared?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Are you talking like future generations or what's the
context?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
yeah, I mean we'll maybe we'll skip that question.
I'll cut that out, um, becausethat one was more about you've
already kind of covered it.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
So yeah, I wanted to talk about future generations
yes, so let's do it.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
It's kind of Now we'll kind of cut to the.
Let's talk about futuregenerations.
Why don't you?
You touched upon that.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
You want to expand on that a bit and talk to younger
generations that are still inhigh school and college.
They all have an impact.
What's the word I'm looking for?
A desire to make an impact, andthey look for impact funders,
(51:17):
they look for impact companies.
They look for companies makinga difference.
I would love for them to keepthat mindset as the next
generation of politicians comeabout, the next generation of
politicians come about as thenext generation of science come
about.
Have that be their guidinglight of how they can make an
impact for future generationsthemselves.
And I love I see that more inthe younger generations than I
(51:39):
do people my age and older howexcited they can be about a
project and make sure that theyare focused on this, the impact
that they can make on futuregenerations.
So those are the people that aregoing to, that are already
thinking about spacesustainability.
Those are already the peoplethat are thinking about what
does governance look like inother communities that are not
(52:01):
on Earth, and how can differentpeople with different
backgrounds work together?
Which is another very excitingthing about the space sector is
the collaboration betweendifferent countries, different
scientists with differentbackgrounds all working together
.
I mean, look at the ISS rightnow is a collaboration between
Japan, russia, the US, evenChina.
(52:23):
I mean so many differentcountries that on Earth are kind
of butting heads at the moment,but in space we're all working
together.
So can we take that andcontinue that in future
generations and keep their focuson wanting to make an impact
and impact investing and keepingthe social aspect of that alive
(52:45):
.
That's what I'm excited aboutand that's what I'm excited I've
already been seeing it so I'mexcited for them to keep that
hope alive.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
So what's a bold prediction that you think people
should be preparing for in theplace of this working in space?
Speaker 3 (53:05):
I'm going to go back to Henry Ford again You're going
to get cheaper and cheaper,less and less expensive flights.
You're going to get more andmore people going to space.
I think that Elon Musk's ideaof having a million people on
Mars is not far-fetched, and themore we can take the more into
space one time, the better,which is why he's building
(53:25):
larger and larger spacecraft andwhy we're going to need to get
to these spacesuits that thePolaristan mission is testing
out, because those can be massproduced much more easily than
these giant astronaut suits thatNASA astronauts wear today.
So I think that we will haverocket ships and flights to
space as common as cars aretoday, whether gas or electric
(53:49):
powered cars, on Earth.
I think that we'll have thatmany.
It'll be that accessible tohumans sooner than we all think.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
I agree, I agree, and you know I like to do the 222
for civilization.
I call it I don't want to sayrestarted civilization, but
you're my civilization, uh,foundation, so especially like
other planets.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
So the two books, two pieces of music and two things
you bring with you, it's likegoing through somebody's um, you
know, right, closet you learnpeople I think the um this is
such a hard question to answer,I think the if I could, if I
(54:32):
could bring two pieces of music,I would.
I'm going to cop out and saytwo albums instead of two songs.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That's fair.
I'll allow that.
That's fine.
I'll allow that, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I'd have to bring the David Bowie album, with Major
Tom on it, of course, and I'dhave to bring a Bastille album.
Any one of them.
I love them all.
Those are my two favoritepieces of music right now.
Again, super hard to narrowthat one down.
The book I'd bring with me isprobably the Truth Machine,
(55:09):
which is the first book thatkind of made me think about the
future.
I mean, I read, you know,roddenberry and Bradbury, and L
Ron Hubbard even had some decentsci-fi books.
I was very into sci-fi when Iwas a kid, but the Truth Machine
really made me bring thatscience fiction idea to.
That could, to that could.
That could probably happen.
You know, like we might be ableto develop the truth machine,
(55:32):
um, by James Halperin.
I love that book and I've readit a million times and I would
probably bring that book Um.
And a second book wouldprobably be um, another sci-fi
book that I haven't read yet.
I don't know.
I don't know what a second bookwould be.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
But a new book that I haven't read yet.
And then for things I would, Iimmediately, of course, thought
of a food item.
I love avocados, so if I couldhave a way to have unlimited
avocados when I'm in a new place, that's what I would want, and
then, I mean, I could be superlogical and say something to
(56:16):
play my records on is the seconditem.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
That's a logical thing.
That's great answers.
You've given some really greatadvice, and especially bringing
young people in, because that'sthat's really what we need to do
.
And but, what inspires you?
Though you've been veryinspirational to others and
buildings, well, what, what,what continues to inspire,
especially on those tough dayslike what continues to get?
Speaker 3 (56:39):
keep you going listen , this is my dream job that I
never even knew could exist.
I get to geek out on the spacethings.
I love science.
I've always been a fan and Iunderstand how things work.
I love learning.
So to get to talk to thesemission organizers about what
they're doing and then to use mybackground to figure out who
(57:02):
can I connect this person to.
And then to get to talk tobrands and media, companies and
family offices and high networth individuals about what
their hopes and dreams are andhow can I tie these things
together and how can I make awin-win situation for everybody.
I just I couldn't be in abetter place, and what inspires
me is being able to get to dothis job quite honestly.
(57:24):
I mean, this is like I said.
I never thought that I could bein the space sector after
spending so many years not in itand wishing I had been, and so
that's what inspires me, and Ihope I can inspire other people
to do the same thing.
I mean, it's just I'm in myhappy place right now and to be
involved in anything that has todo with the future and
(57:45):
innovation.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
that's that's what's inspiring me, if I can help get
us to the next place faster.
That's the goal and you'veyou've been off to a great start
with this and you know, if youwe talked a lot about you know,
kind of putting our future haton, how would you want your work
to be remembered?
I always love to ask the legacyquestion.
You know, know the impact.
You mentioned the word impact.
A lot of you know it's morethan just Gen Z, I mean, but
it's definitely that thatgeneration I'm an Xer it was
(58:12):
definitely us.
We weren't just slackers, webuilt the modern internet.
You're welcome.
You know, so you know what, whatimpact you hope you have on the
world when, when things are allsaid and done and you're
sipping martinis and you saidthe Space Bridge Partners is,
you know, officially out ofbusiness for in a good way.
So what's the legacy?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
I think two, two things that I'm really trying to
focus on.
One is to have people say like,wow, space Bridge Partners was
in the right place at the righttime and helped so many vital
missions get off the ground andwe got these things that I can't
even imagine, as you and I aresitting here today.
But look at this, this is whathappened.
Because of this mission, thatspace bridge got planted.
And then the second thing is,which I feel like I'm thankfully
(58:58):
coming in on the tail end of,is getting more and more females
involved in science and STEMand, hopefully, the space sector
, because it's still there's notdefinitely not parity in the
space sector right now, and Iwant to.
I want to be help, I want tohelp make that change, I want to
help make that sea changehappen, and I want to be one of
those names one of many I'm notthe only one, but one of many of
those names as saying that shehelped pave the way for more,
(59:21):
more women in space.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
That's great and, you know, as we wrap up, I'd love
for people to connect with youthis is a platform for voices
and obviously stay connected.
How can they stay updated withthe work, latest developments,
spacebridge and just you ingeneral Like so all the info.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, I think LinkedIn is.
We're very active on LinkedIn,spacebridge Partners on LinkedIn
or SpaceBridgePartners onLinkedIn or
SpaceBridgePartnerscom.
We keep our website updatedthere as well, and there's a
contact page.
Any one of those contact emailson that contact page can reach
me.
I'm also active on LinkedIn, soyou can find me on LinkedIn as
well, so those are probably theeasiest ways to get to me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Got it.
That's great, and thanks forbeing on the show today.
It's been a wonderfulconversation and cannot wait to
see what you're going to do nextwith SpaceBridge.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Thank you so much for having me and for asking me
very different questions than Ihave been asked before.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I really appreciate that and I'm glad to have you on
.
We'll have you on again soon.
Thanks a lot, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thanks for listening to Going Off World.
You can find us on all themajor podcast platforms and at
wwwgoingoffworldcom, as well ason YouTube under Going Off World
.
See you next time.
Popular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.