Amateur Golf, Pro-Level Passion: Celebrating Ryan Nicholson and the Spirit of the Tour

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Welcome back, Chris, we're, you know we're it's been
June Welcome back, chris,father's Day.
But we're like I said, it'smiddle of June and we're just

(01:23):
steamrolling right along throughthe season.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I mean, like we've talked before, it's once,
I think.
Once every tour starts theirseason, you blink twice and then
we're at the award ceremony fordirectors, so it goes by pretty
quick.
I think now that you and mehave been doing this for a while

(01:47):
, it goes by a little bitquicker.
Yes, I feel like we just bookedand did interviews and we're
already booking for the next twomonths, so it's, before you
know it, season's over, which issad but also nice for us
directors, in kind of a weirdway.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, and you know, let's talk about this a little
bit in the closing.
But from the standpoint of whenwe started this, you know,
three or four years ago wedidn't know it was going to turn
out like this.
But if everybody doesn't know,I do another podcast for the

(02:30):
speaking and coaching businessand I was a guest on another
podcast and we were actuallytalking about this one.
We were actually talking aboutthe golf week one.
It's kind of evolved for us andfor the tour and how our season
goes.
It's it's completely changedhow I, how I view the tour

(02:51):
season.
You know the way we have to lookat the way we have to plan for
it, and some of those otherthings.
Um, it's not bad, it's, it's,it's, it's, it's just different.
And it's to me, on one hand,it's fun because we know you and
I know some of the things thatwe have coming up that most

(03:13):
people don't know about yet, andhow we plan for that.
So it's good, but it just makesthings go by so much quicker.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right, it really does .
And from the director'sstandpoint, and you understand
this, you know we make ourschedules end of October,
november for the new year Atleast the guys that start early
when you think that's all thework that's done.
But no, it leads up.
You know the week leading up toit Event information emails.

(03:44):
Hey, I know registration theweek leading up to it event
information emails.
Hey, I know registration closed.
Can you squeeze me inContacting courses to see how
it's going?
Go visiting courses, like itdoes take time, and before you
know it, your events fly by andyou're awarding your own members
, you know their awards, andthen you're punting nationals

(04:04):
trips and it's crazy how, howquickly it goes.
I mean, you know when thisepisode airs I'll be heading
over to arizona twice in a20-day span, which is crazy for
two events.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You can't just stay over there.
No.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
You could Well.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't know if you have a place to stay when you
got back, but you could.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, I'm taking them with me, but one I mean.
It just happens that I got sickfor one of my majors and
couldn't make it, so I have togo make up those points.
And the closest tour that has amajor at a private country club
in Sedona, you know, shucks.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Do what you gotta do.
Yeah, Do what you gotta do.
All right Well let's get.
We got a really good episodethis time.
Like always, let's go ahead andget started.
We'll finish this up here.
I know we will.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, putting shifts up here.
I know we will, let's getstarted, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
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Speaker 1 (05:40):
Cruces Tour Director Chris Rocha.
Chris, welcome back to thepost-Father's Day edition of the
best golf week amateur tourpodcast.
That's ever been how you beenGood.
How about yourself Doing?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
awesome.
Did you enjoy Father's Day?
I did.
I'm exhausted, but it was a funtime.
It's always a fun time.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Great.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
US Open Not better than the Masters, but it's still
great.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Why do you have to start already?
I mean, we're just getting intothis.
Why you got to be this way?
Because I have to.
That's just wrong, man.
That's just wrong.
Everybody knows that becausethe US Open is played on
Father's Day, that our nationalchampion is crowned every
Father's Day.

(06:27):
It's our national championship.
Anybody can win it if youqualify, if you qualify.
If you qualify, anybody can winit, so come on now.
Anyway, we got a great oneagain this week.
Best one yet Best one yet.

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Now, before we get into it, Ido just want to make sure I
can't remember if we wishedeverybody Happy Father's Day
last time, but if we didn't, youknow the post-Father's Day,
happy Father's Day.
Maybe it will save us just alittle bit, I think.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So I mean, I don't think it's as bad as the
Mother's Day that we keepmissing.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
No, we, I think we're okay there.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
But yeah, I mean, you know there's a lot of fathers
that play golf on our tour andyou bring their sons out to play
.
So happy Father's Day toeverybody.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, and we do have a good, really good, episode.
This week We've got our Maymember of the month, which again
it was real close and we'lltalk about this after our guest.
But we've got May member of themonth.
We've got Roger coming back on.
He's going to talk about someclub throwing incidents and how

(07:39):
we're going to stop that or ifwe're just going to encourage it
.
I don't know what we're goingto do Right, and talk about a
few other things Ready to go.
Yeah, I'm excited, let's do it.
So let's just go ahead andbring in our main member of the
month, ryan Nicholson, and histour director, amal Iradira.

(08:07):
Say it for us, amal.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Iradira.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
There you go, we got it, it's been.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Amal.
As long as I've known him,there's no point in even trying.
You got it.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Every once in a while I get it right.
Every once in a while I do.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
I copied and pasted it to put it in my phone when I
first met him, so there's nopoint in going any further.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, guys, thanks so much for joining us and, ryan,
congratulations on being the Maymember of the month.
Amal says some very nice thingsabout you and I'm just going to
go ahead and read thenomination that he sent in and,
as I'm doing this, understandthat Chris and I aren't the ones
that picked this.
What we do is we send them toDennis, we take off all the

(08:54):
identifying information and thenhe makes a decision.
Okay, and so, as we do this,for those that are listening,
one of the pieces of feedbackthat we got from Dennis was the
write-up is so important.
The write-up is critical, andso, amal, you did a really nice

(09:14):
job with this, because, I mean,there were some other really
good nominations as well.
So here we go, from Amal, I amnominating Ryan Nicholson for
Player of the Month for May 2025.
While my Indianapolis tour is asmall market, recognizing
dedicated players like Ryan withthis award could be incredibly

(09:35):
impactful for our tour's growthand visibility.
Despite our size, ryan hasdemonstrated an exceptional
commitment to playing andsupporting golf across various
levels.
Demonstrated an exceptionalcommitment to playing and
supporting golf across variouslevels.
Throughout April, he activelyparticipated in an impressive 13
rounds, including threeregionals, two rounds on other
tours and one local tour event.
His dedication to playing atsuch a high volume speaks

(09:57):
volumes about his passion forthe game.
Furthermore, he has alreadysigned up for our second
Indianapolis Tour event onMonday, may 5th that's already
happened and the third event onMay 12th, showcasing his
continued support for our tour.
Beyond his participation, ryanhas been an outstanding promoter
for our tour.
His genuine love for golf isevident and he consistently

(10:19):
encourages others to getinvolved.
For a smaller market tour likeours, having such an
enthusiastic advocate isinvaluable.
While I don't have specificperformance metrics from all his
April rounds, the sheer numberof events he has played, coupled
with his active promotion,clearly indicates his dedication
and impact.
Recognizing Ryan with thisaward would not only acknowledge
his contributions, but alsosignificantly boost morale and

(10:43):
awareness for the Indianapolistour.
As the saying goes, the numbersspeak for themselves in terms
of engagement and enthusiasm.
I believe Ryan Nicholson is adeserving candidate for Player
of the Month and I urge you toconsider his nomination.
Winning this award would mean agreat deal to our small market
tour.
So, amal, you did a heck of ajob with that.
I don't know how much of it'strue, but you did a great job.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
So thank you for doing that.
No, absolutely Amal.
I appreciate the nomination andI'm sure we'll get into more
details, but it's been a funcouple of months for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
So Amal talk to us about Ryan and some of the
things that he does and therelationship with the tour that
he has.
That's not on paper, becausethe paper stuff is great, but
what we found as we've gonethrough and do this, it's really
the relationships with thesemembers of the month that has
brought out the best stories.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
So the nomination that I sent when did I send Last
month, right?
Yeah, probably April 2nd weekor 1st week.
I don't remember, but at thetime I was going through all
this.
You know my players inIndianapolis, how many games
they are playing, what they areplaying, and then how many times
I'm hearing from players youknow, so to speak, right.

(12:06):
So that's what based on.
And also, when I am talking toyou know my players, like Ryan,
and then how do they communicateto me.
You know other players, how dothey react.
You know, during the tournament, everything it's not just like
you know.
Oh, he's playing 15 events.
Yeah, in fact, he played the 15events till May.
I thought I beat him.

(12:28):
I played 12 events, but healready played 15.
So, anyway, so it's not just asimple thing.
Tim and Chris, I observe, basedon my observation, he deserved
to be the you know, player ofthe month for April.
So that's my nomination.

(12:49):
It's not just a one thing.
You know, he normallyconstantly texts me and ask you
know, questions, and thensometimes I ask him okay, hey,
what is the?
He's a member of one of theclubs.
And then I ask him okay, hey,what is the?
You know team workers, colors,what do you think we should be
playing from?
You know?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
we don't always agree on all those things, though
that's but we bounce, you know,our ideas off of each other.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
So that really helps.
It's not like.
You know one thing, as I said,uh, you know it's based on my
memory.
At the time I was thinkingthrough, you know, a bunch of
players in my tour, then hestood out, so that's how I
nominated ryan.
And then, you know, as I said,uh, wherever I go, he's, he's

(13:38):
there.
I mean, I'm talking abouttraveling.
You know, whenever I go to uhplay other tours, guess what?
He?
He's going to be playing nextto me.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
He's stalking each other, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Hey Amal, I will start off by saying you know
great nomination, but stopconsidering yourself a small
market tour man.
You got over 125 members,averaging 60 players an event.
That's a medium-sized tour.
Congratulations on that.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
to begin with, you say that, chris, but still, I
think it's a small market.
You know, based on my view,that's what I think it's a small
market.
And also the reason why I saythat it is a small market is we
basically play I don't knowthree and a four months.

(14:28):
That's all we have.
You know, uh, so to speak, likewhat, august is my last
tournament, and then we won't beable to start until first week
of May, and then there are somany holidays in between right
so if you, if you think about it, there are only like 12 weeks

(14:50):
in a year where I can run thetournaments.
so that's the one thing.
And also, even though you said120 members and every time I'm
getting 60, I would say I'mgetting lucky.
Okay, I don't know, for someit's always, you know, hit or
miss.
This year how many tournamentsalready we've been through.

(15:14):
I forgot how many rounds.
Anyway, eight or ninetournaments, all of them are
sold out.
My number is 60 players max.
Okay, that's what I talk towhen I sign a contract with golf
courses.
I say 60 is the max, but allthe events are sold out.
I'm lucky this year.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
But still I consider myself as a small market because
when you consider Hilton Head,charlotte or Michigan, they all
have 200, 300 members right, andthen every event they are what
is there?
I don't remember how manyplayers play in each and every
event.
150 players, I guess.

(15:58):
So that's huge.
That's a big market.
That's why I call myself as asmall market.
Indianapolis is a small market.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I thought you were modeling yourself after the
Pacers or something.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Settle down.
Settle down.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Oh, yes, no, that's true.
Do you see what they aretalking about?
Pacers.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Always got to be the underdog.
Always got to be the underdog.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
I like to be underdog all the time.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, Ryan, tell us about your time on the tour and
some of the highlights that kindof stand out for you.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Sure.
So I think this is my thirdfull year playing events within
this tour.
I played for a few years priorto that with competing tours and
just to kind of throw some loveof malls way, I actually uh was
approached about running acompeting tour at one point, and
I know what it takes uh to totake on the workload and spend

(16:53):
your entire day, regardless ofwhat your tea time is or what
your your commitment on yourround is, uh to be able to do
the whole thing.
It's, I'm sure it's a full dayand so 60 guys is is what, in my
opinion, the the minimum weshould.
We should appreciate, uh, whata mall does by putting on these,
these events.
And so I know there's othertours in the, you know, within a

(17:15):
couple hours from here, andI've I've gotten a chance to
meet those tour directors uhplay a lot of their events as
well as well.
Um, um, I have some family overin the cincinnati dayton area,
so it's a good excuse to takethe family over to visit with
the in-laws for a couple hourswhile I go headed around, um, so
that gives me an opportunity tokind of spread out.
I travel a little bit for workas well.

(17:35):
So um opportunities come upwhen I'm going to be traveling
that I I find something on theon the schedule to make sure I
can get out and play.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
so where's when you travel?
What's your favorite?
What's your favorite tour toplay on when you travel?

Speaker 6 (17:47):
well.
So I mean cincinnati probablyhas, uh, one of the followings
that you know.
I know a lot of the guys onthat tour.
I've known tyler for a longtime and got a chance to play
with tyler, uh, when we were outin vegas at the regional at
piute early in the year.
Um had a blast, him.
Neither one of us played wellin 30, 30 mile hour winds and 45
degree temperatures, but uh,but no, I had a good time with

(18:08):
Tyler and and I mean it reallycomes down to is the tournament
well ran, um and all of so farthat I've played have have lived
up to that expectation.
And really, what courses are weputting on the schedule?
And so when you look atsomething at the beginning of
the year, regardless of the tour, you look at it and you say,
okay, which golf courses are theones that I want to play?

(18:29):
Like Amal said, I'm a member ofone of the top country clubs
here in the Indianapolis area,at the Sagamore club, and I can
play there every single day.
But I choose to go play some ofthese competitions for the
opportunity to play courses thatthat I wouldn't necessarily
play otherwise.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
So Well, you know, and I'm and I'm glad you say
that because, as I'm, I'mlooking at your schedule now and
you know, I well, I do agreewith you that you're the small
market from from the time, fromyour availability that you can
play.
I definitely give you that.
But you've got some really goodcourses, and I'm just looking.

(19:04):
So you played Sagamore atSagamore, then you played
Blackthorn, then you played theWarren course at Notre Dame,
which is a good course.
You've got the Indiana, the IUcourse on there, which I've
heard nothing but good thingsabout that.
You've got Purdue's course onthere again, which is another

(19:24):
really good course.
So you all are playing reallygood courses in Indianapolis,
right, let alone the ones thatyou, that you're traveling to,
right?

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Right, yeah, no, and as a Boilermaker, I don't.
I.
It was against my nature tothink it was a good idea to go
to Notre Dame and play up there.
Unfortunately, I'm going tohave to miss the foul course at
IU this year, but for my healthit's probably better to stay as
far away from there as possible.
So I will be at camp in anAckerman at Purdue, there's no
question about that.

(19:52):
So looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Is the foul course that wedding anniversary
birthday?

Speaker 6 (20:00):
You know, I don't know exactly why, but I kind of
go through at the beginning ofthe season and put together my
list of what I'm going to do,and I must have had a pit
feeling in my stomach whenthinking about going to
Bloomington.
I try to avoid that place atall costs, okay.
I got you.
I won't make a lot of friendshere in that regard here in the
Midwest, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's funny, ryan, that's a good one.
So obviously, outside of thatcourse and Sagin, where you're a
member, what's your favoritecourse?
That's on the regular rotation.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
On the local tour.
I really enjoyed the Warrencourse at Notre Dame.
I unfortunately came up justshort.
There's a story behind that.
I'll give you a quick one here.
I had an opportunity to winthat one sitting in the back of
the flight, kind of being ableto take a look at the
leaderboard and understand whereI was at.
And I needed par on 18 tofinish that one off.
I hit a perfect drive and thenlet the nerves get to me just a

(20:56):
little bit and chunked a sandwedge from 85 yards from the
middle of the fairway and makingbogey and losing in the first
hole of the playoffs.
So uh soured me.
I just attribute it to being aNotre Dame.
Nothing good can happen upthere in South Bend, so yeah,
play like a champion, man Playlike a champion.
Well, you know I walked intotheir pro shop and I said man,

(21:17):
if I was a Notre Dame fan, thisis a spectacular pro shop.
They have anything andeverything you could ever want,
but uh pro shop.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
They have anything and everything you could ever
want.
But uh, yeah, I it's not for methere, well so, so I was there
a number of years ago and I am anotre dame fan um I'm sorry.
Well, hey, settle down.
Um they, their, their, theirpractice facility and and their
um their players only lodge.
I don't know if you've ever beenin there that place is yeah,

(21:47):
that place is, I'm telling you,but I don't know if, if I was
any good at golf and younger,that's where I would go, cause
I'd just hang out in in, in that, in that place it's, it's um.
So I don't know if you've beento to Harbor town for the
icebreaker, uh, and I haven'tplayed in that event.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
I've played down in a lot of golf courses in the
Hilton Head area they're on theisland and several in that area
but I have not been down to thegolf league event.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So when we do that, they open up the bar area in the
players' locker room.
That place is nothing comparedto Notre Dame's team Nice Lodge.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's phenomenal.
Yes, it really is good.
So who I want you to callsomebody out to?
Who's your favorite person toplay with on tour?

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Oh, wow, you know I I've had, I've had a lot of
opportunities to play with DonHubbard this year, so Don and I
share a little bit of history,both former baseball players,
don's based out of theCincinnati tour, uh, and I think
I've played five or six eventsthis year down there and and
I've actually requested I knowAmal loves when guys do this,
but I requested to play with Dona few times, um, just to to

(23:07):
make sure that I enjoy my round.
That that's kind of thecrapshoot that comes with this,
right, you know, some days youlike your pairings and some days
you're like man.
I don't know if I really wantto play golf with that guy again
.
So it happens against.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
So it happens.
I understand that.
That's a good point, ryan.
Yeah, players like you, yourequest for you know?
Hey, I want to play with thisguy.
Please put me with this guy.
You know, I respect that.
Sometimes I can do it,sometimes I can't sure.
And also, another thing is I Icannot do it.
I mean, that's a good question.
You're bringing it up right.
Right, it's not possible for meto put two guys every time in

(23:44):
the foursome I try to avoid.
And also another reason is thisjust happened last weekend One
of our two players okay, he cometo play tournament.
The other player is saying hey,you are in the wrong place,
this is not for you Because hedoesn't know.

(24:05):
He's the tour player, our tourplayer.
He's in.
C flight.
He's in other guys in Champ orA flight, you know.
So, they don't know each other.
So I'm even I'm thinking about,you know, mixing Champ with A,
a with B, you know, somethinglike that.
So we all we have 125 membersright now so I would like to,

(24:25):
you know, have everybody mixwith every flight.
You know, that's what I'mthinking, but my only concern is
going to be it's hard.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
It's an intimidation factor for some of the lower
flights, I would imagine.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
If it is a D flight, they don't want to play with the
champ.
Even when I put them together,they are already thinking about
Amar.
Why are you doing this?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, what I would do and I did this for probably, I
did it probably for 10 years isI created a team, stable for
format, where it was stillindividual stroke play, where we
did a side tournament, no extracalls for anybody.
I threw in money for all theprizes and trophies and random
draw.
You know it could be a champ, a, b and D player, and so they

(25:12):
got to know them, but it wasalso.
They didn't really have thosetypes of feelings because it was
still they were playing as ateam for a competition right,
and that turned out to be, youknow, one of the most popular
events we had.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
I was yeah, I was thinking of doing something like
that at the very beginning,like a two-man scramble.
Just pick names from.
I mean let's have two um pools,champ a and b, and then c and d
, something like that, dependingon the agit index, and then
pick from the ad team and thenlet them play a two-man scramble

(25:52):
.
You know, that's what I wasthinking, but once again, just
like I said, I don't have enoughweeks right where I can get
those things done.
But back of my mind I'mthinking about that also.
Yes, well, and to that point.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
So my first win this year, actually down on the
Cincinnati tour.
Down at Hamilton Oaks I was alate sign-up.
Tyler needed somebody at thevery last minute.
I wasn't going to play.
I talked the wife and kids into go in and see and some family
for the afternoon, and when Iended up playing, I talked the
wife and kids into going and seeand, uh, some family for the
afternoon.
And when I ended up playing Igot thrown in the middle of the
a flight and so I played withfolks that I had never played

(26:27):
with before.
Um, and and some some peoplethrive on that.
Some people would beintimidated by that.
It worked out well for me thatday.
Uh, but uh, but yeah, thatcertainly would be nice to to
meet a lot more of the guys.
Um, but I think there's a goodgroup of guys on both Indy Cincy

(26:48):
tour and others I've playedwith that.
Uh, you know you get done afterthe round.
There's some guys that stayaround for a beer or stay around
to watch and see what's goingon.
So you know the players are inthe other flights, um, and if
you're sociable, you cancertainly meet guys that way.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, one other question I had for you, ryan how
did you like Firestone?

Speaker 6 (27:06):
Firestone was epic.
Firestone was other than theweather on day one Firestone is
up there with some of my topcourses and it's funny there's a
story to that.
I probably hit the ball as wellas I've ever hit it for a full
18-hole round of my life on dayone at Firestone but I couldn't
putt to save my life.
I had 41 putts and shot, Ithink in the high 80s.

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It just was one of those dayswhere nothing would go in the
hole and it was a frustratingday in that regard.
Then flip-flop that go to thesouth course couldn't hit it
nearly as well as I did, but Imade the putts that I needed to
on that day.
So third place finish therewasn't what I was looking for, I
think making the turn to theback nine, riding with the guy

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who was leading making the turn,I was one back and just kind of
let that back nine fall apart.
But that's easy to do up there.
So that's a golf course, bothof those courses that I could
play every day.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
No question, that's awesome, and I'm still kicking
myself that I missed that one.
Yep.
Mark your calendar, tim.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
I know, next year at the same time, same week, we are
going back the issue is I had afamily issue that came up.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
The plan was for me to be there, but I had a family
issue that it was one of thosethings that it was better for my
health if I did not go.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
I actually got to use it a little bit as a corporate
thing.
So I'm in sales and I have acustomer in Columbus, Ohio that
is an avid golfer as well, andso I talked him into coming up
and playing with me and he had aball.
We got paired together in thefirst day by request, Didn't
play together in day two, but hehad a great time on day two as
well.
Nice Didn't play particularlywell, but you know you talk

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about the difference betweencompetitive golf and going out
and playing with your buddies.
You know he got on that firsttee day one and he walked off
the tee box after not hittinghis best drive and he kind of
was like wow, that that's adifferent feeling standing on

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the tee box when, when itmatters.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Right, exactly breakfast ball there's no, uh,
there's no second shot here.
You're, you're playing forscore already, so yep.
So so, maul, you know, with,with what you got left, and
again I still think you got areally good schedule.
Um, so so you know, good on youfor the work that you're doing
there.
Um, what's the?
And you can't say French Lake,because we're going to get into
French Lake separately here, butwhat's, what's the one can't
miss tournament?
I mean, for all those listenersout there and they say you know

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, we're going to, we're going togo to Indy, travel to Indy,
what's the one can't misstournament?

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Oh, I would say Purdue course.
I like those both courses,Ackerman, Allen and Kempin,
because they are two differentsetups.
Layouts.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
So one is more like a parkland, another one is more
like a link style.
One of them is really reallytough.
First one is I play really good, so I call it a little bit
easier course.
So I would suggest yes, thePurdue courses are a good one.
It's a two-day event and also Ihave it on senior side and also

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both golf week side also.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Well, that's a good get if you got it.
You know, for both events Issenior a two-day event as well.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yes, senior also two-day events.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
yeah, that's awesome that that's again for for a
college course to give up fourdays like that, it's uh, that's
a good job yeah, the importantthing that we do.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
I mean, like ryan and all of my, all of our members
okay, there are one or two, youknow, there is always exception
right, right, all our membersare.
Wherever we go and play, theyrespect the course.
Okay, at the end of the day, Igo and talk to the pros.
They always say, hey, you guysare easy to handle.
All I'm doing is giving you thecard, you guys are playing, and

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then your guys are coming back.
No complaints, nothing, youknow.
So they always say that I justwant to go and ask them.
Okay, hey, give me yourfeedback.
And then always they want us tocome back.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
And.
I think I'm lucky.
Well, that's a tribute to youand the players, obviously, but
how?
well, you run the events right,because generally we are easy,
Just like you say.
We show up, we bring everything.
When they go off, they run thecredit card and we come back in,

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they clean up the carts and gohome.
But you know, part, like yousaid, is we're not tearing up
the course.
Hopefully we've got decent paceof play and you know we're
coming in and we're spending alot of money with them and for
them not to even have to doanything.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
That's exactly what our members are doing.
You know they spend money.
I tell them okay, hey, this iswhat you're going to get.
They are going to come andspend money eating, drinking and
buying your merchandise.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
So they always have some racks you know, sale racks
available for us, for our group,uh, whatever the course we go
and play.
And then I make sure you knowthey're going to keep that pro
shop open even after, you know,at least one or two hours after
our round is complete.
So those are the things Inormally work with the courses.
And you know, monday we aregoing to be playing uh, chatham

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hills that's another countryclub uh, it's just like a
sagamore, that's one of thepremier courses in that same
area.
It's hard to get in somehow Igot in, so when I get the
opportunity you get, you know Ijump, yeah, I get on it, that's
all.
So I don't know how I get it.
I don't know how I get lucky togo into all these courses.

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But players ask know, hey, Iwant to go to this course, okay,
I will try.
So sometimes I get lucky, I getin.
Sometimes they say no,sometimes I don't even hear from
them, so that's how.
I'm getting all those coursesin my schedule.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Again, you're doing a great job.
I appreciate Amal talking aboutthe Purdue as being the
highlight, but Chatham certainlyhas got to be up there as well.
I mean hosting a live golfevent here in October or, I'm
sorry, august.
That's a place that isexclusive, private and I would
say 90% to 95% of the guys thatare going to play out there are

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not going to get on otherwise orunless they, you know, have a
connection somewhere.
So those are the type of eventsthat when you're looking at
that schedule at the beginningof the year, you say okay, yeah,
this is, this is absolutely oneI have to mark that I have to
make yeah, that's that's again.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
That's that's good.
Uh, good on you.
I'm off for being able to pullthat one off.
But let let's talk real quickabout French Lick.
This is your third year comingup on that and I went out there
last year and that was one heckof a job.
The courses were amazing, thestaff out there was great.
Everything was top-notch outthere.

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So again, if you haven'tcommitted to it yet, I'm just
telling everybody who'slistening that's when you got to
go to Amal.
What do you got?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, that's one of the courses.
You know, I always want to goand play those two courses,
especially the Donald Ross.
It kills me.
I shoot like a hundred and thenext day it works out, you know.
But Donald Ross course, I'vebeen playing that course for a
long time.
Pete day I did not play, butdonald ross course I've been

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playing almost.
You know, when my son was incollege he used to go and play
the course.
Uh, in the end of the season hehe's got a age group
championship or something whenhe was playing.
Okay, so that's how I knowthose two courses.
Those are really just like yousaid, Tim, you saw the course.

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Those two courses are reallybeautiful and awesome,
well-maintained and the staffare really, really, really good.
They are, you know, wheneverthey ask any questions, they're
always there to help me and thenif I ask them to do something,
they immediately do it.
I don't get any excuses oranything from them.

(35:07):
They always appreciate ourgroup coming and playing, so I'm
very thankful for them hostingus.
This is our third year.
Hopefully I can keep on.
You know, keep this FrenchLeague regional in our schedule
for as long as I can.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I hope so too.
And let me just make one moremention on that when I say the
staff, it wasn't just the golfstaff, I'm talking about the
resort staff, the hospitalitystaff.
The casino staff.
You got to go to the casino.
Everything there was top notch.
It really was Well.
Guys, thank you so much forspending some time with us
tonight.
I can't tell you how much Iappreciate it.

(35:48):
I'm glad we got it worked outso it's not on game night.
I'm talking about Pacer gamenight, ryan.
Congratulations, ryan.
What will we see you at HiltonHead this year?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Certainly planning on it.
Yeah, yeah, no, I'd like tomake sure that I maintain that
lead in the flight divisionthere and get my schedule worked
out to make that trip down.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, you know we are running out of time, but I was
going to suggest you just bumpright up to the B flight and
knock out the leader of the Bflight.
That would be my suggestion.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Yeah, amal and I had a conversation earlier this year
, cause that's where we startedand that's probably where a
longer term, I probably want tobe.
But uh, right now I've accruedthe points where I'm at and so
I'm like, okay, well, now I gotto decide which direction I want
to go here, so we'll just keepplaying golf.
See where it lands.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You guys again, thanks so much for joining us.
Take care, and we'll talk toyou soon.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Thank you guys.
Thanks Ryan Bye.

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Well, tim, another member ofthe month, has been interviewed.
We're making some greatprogress on it.
But I mean, you know, ryan,he's played a lot of events and
for that tour to not be able tohave that much time of golf, um,
he's sure going now and makingother events, which is pretty
cool, but you know, one sneezeof a low score and he's back in
B flight exactly.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I like seeing that.
Well, number one, I like seeingthat he's playing right.
I mean that to me is reallywhere it's at and that he's
helping grow membership and he'ssomebody the guys want to play
with and all those other thingswe talk about.
But also like the idea that youknow he's, he's obviously right

(37:46):
there on that cut line and youknow we didn't really talk about
this.
But, um, I would probably say,just go ahead and move now,
right, right, you know, just goahead and make the jump.
You may lose some points, butyou may end up losing even more
the longer you wait, right, yeah, and with maybe not as much

(38:11):
time to make it up and, you know, still be competitive in that.
You know, in that, overall,points race in that overall
points race.
But just based on hispersonality and that little
conversation we had, I don'tthink he's really that worried
about the competition piece.
I mean, he likes playing golf,he likes having fun.

(38:31):
Obviously the competition isthere, but if you lose some
points, you lose some points.
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
He's still going to play, he's still going to go out
and compete and let things fallwhere they fall oh, definitely,
he's not one to uh shy awayfrom from playing some
competitive golfs, so, uh, Idon't think that's any problem
it was fun and um, yeah, I Ilike having them all on.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Uh, he's.
He's kind of funny in his ownway.
I made that joke about thePastures because I think that's
really why he wants to beconsidered small market.
He wants to consider himselfthe Indiana Pastures of the Gulf
Recapture Tour.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I was trying to let him know I don't consider myself
small, small market, maybe amedium market, and me and him.
I was looking at his membership.
We are the same amount you know, and we're averaging about the
same per event.
Wow.
And I have.
I mean, I've been playing sincethe end of January averaging
that, so I understand where he'scoming from.

(39:41):
But I hate for our directors tofeel like they're not doing
their part or they're failingwhen actually they're doing more
than they think that they'redoing.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, that's a really good point.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, it's just because we're all together, you
know, and if we're not allsucceeding, then the tour is not
succeeding.
So I feel he's doing a greatjob.
You know, setting a goal of 60players in an event and selling
out Some, he had more than 60.
So you know, the courses areusually pretty happy about that
when you get more than whatyou're asking.
Right so.

(40:16):
I don't consider him a smallmarket but, like you said, if he
wants to be like the Pacers andbe considered a small market,
then his room was painted yellow, so it might be that mindset.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Whatever it takes, Right.
But again, I mean, he'sobviously doing a great job.
He's got some really goodcourses.
You're getting some of thoseprivate courses and getting this
again.
You know, getting those collegecourses for two days, I mean
even in the summer, that's hard.
That is hard Um because it.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
They're not small colleges either.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, they're not, and you know, you know getting
getting a college course likethat, at least over here on the
East Coast.
I don't know what it's like,you know West Coast where you're
at, but they're not giving themup.
They're almost like privatecourses, right.
Yes they bring in outside groupsand outside play come in but

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they're not giving up.
You know, two days when I wasthe upstate tour director trying
to get on Clemson, the Clemsoncourse very difficult, but we
did, trying to get on Furman,and I think Furman did away with
her golf team, and I could bewrong, I hope I'm wrong on that,
but the Furman golf coursephenomenal, phenomenal golf

(41:36):
course, very difficult to get on.
So it is what it is, but let'smove on.
We've got Roger with us today.
You know again, it's been abouta month or so, so I'm glad he's
back on.
Yeah, so let's bring Roger in.
Roger, welcome back bud.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Hello gentlemen, Glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, first off, happy Father's Day.
Hope you had a good Father'sDay.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Awesome Father's Day, except my daughter left town,
my son wasn't in town and myother son had plans too.
So, yeah, I had a greatFather's Day playing golf and
didn't have to worry about thekids.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh there you go.
I'm sure they were thinkingabout you and yeah, I didn't get
to see my kids either.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
They were thinking about me and the biggest thing
they did, they asked me had Ilost my clubs lately?
So I haven't lost a club lately.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Oh my, they're still in the car.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
I did break a 7-iron between the last time I talked
to you and now so that's gettingfixed.
But everything's good on the onthe club front we're good yeah
we're good yeah, happy father'sday to you guys too thanks, bud,
I I appreciate it.
So what else been going on withyou with golf it's been a while
it has been raining a lot hereso on tour I haven't been able

(43:00):
to play that much.
I've played right now.
It seems to be a benefit golfseason.
This past weekend I played inan Alzheimer's tournament.
We had over 100 players.
It was awesome.
I've played in a couple ofthose lately, so golf's been
good.
We're getting it in when theweather's been okay.
Supposed to play again thisweekend and I've signed up for

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two tour events.
We're having back-to-backsingle-day events here on the
Golf Week Amateur Tour forTidewater, so I'll be playing in
those.
So I'm really looking forwardto those.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
That's awesome.
So you guys Tidewater, richmondand DC did something really
interesting a few weeks ago whenyou played three days back to
back to back.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Right, tell us about that.
Did you play in that?
Okay, so I hate to make excusesfor why I didn't play.
We had a wedding that weekendso we were out of town and then
the only day I could haveprobably played was Monday.
But I didn't end up playing onMonday.
It was about it was two and ahalf hours from my house, so I
didn't play in that.

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But the guys had a great timeand I think one of our players,
mike Hartzell he's in the champflight.
He won two days in a row in thechamp flight, so that was
really exciting.
A lot of the guys on theRichmond tour used to be on our
tour, right, so some of ourfields have gotten a little
smaller because we can't fill120 anymore, but that was a

(44:38):
great event because we had allthree, like you said, all three
tours combined and a lot of thethings that we've done.
Even with the DC tour.
Our players know their players,so you know we talk about old
friendships and everything, soit's like just a big old family
together, everybody's together,and they get to see each other
and they had a great time forthose three courses, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, and obviously Lyle.
I can't say enough good thingsabout what Lyle does.
I mean that's just across theboard.
Anything he touches turns outreally well because he puts a
lot of effort into it.
Cephas is doing a great job inDC, but you know what?
Sean Redman has been a gem, anabsolute gem, in what he's doing

(45:18):
in Richmond and good on him forthe accomplishments that he's
gaining.
I mean, he's doing a great job.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Yeah, I lived in Richmond for about five years
when I worked there and I gotsome good golf friends up there
and two of them I know havejoined that tour, so it's been
great and they love it.
They can't say enough about itand they didn't know Sean
previously and they said he'sjust such a fun guy, he does
such fun stuff and he's great tobe around.

(45:47):
He's like a happy guy.
And he makes you feel welcomeand all that yeah it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I'm actually hoping.
I think he and Lyle are comingdown to Fripp, I think, this
coming weekend.
I'm looking forward to seeingthem.
If they're going to be there,I'll be there on Sunday, looking
forward to seeing them.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Great.
Yeah, it's a great event, yep.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
So, with all the rain , you obviously haven't been
playing much, but what is thatdoing to the bunkers and the
playability of the bunkers?
What do you got?
What do you got for us todayand the?

Speaker 7 (46:19):
playability of the bunkers.
What do you got?
What do you got for us today?
So funny?
You asked.
So you know some of these othertournaments I've been in.
They've actually employed someof those rules that we used to
have, like during COVID.
You remember how we would rateand place the ball, but if

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that's not in play then a lot oftimes your ball could get in
the bunker and we I'd like to goover the unplayable ball rule
in a bunker, yes, um, okay.
So I don't know about you guys,but you know there's nothing
better feeling.
Or maybe you hit a 300 yarddrive, that feels great.
But making an up and down froma bunker, oh yeah, I don't know
about a 300 drive, I don't knowwhat that is, but sure.
But you hit it in a bunker andyou got a nice lie and you hit

(47:07):
it out of there, nice, and yourfriends are all like great shot
and maybe you make a bogey or apar, hopefully, and it's a great
feeling.
But a lot of times that's notgoing to be the case.
Your ball gets in a bunker.
It's way over near the lip orit's it's.
It's dug into the bunker whereand it's soft sand and it's hard

(47:27):
to get out.
And sometimes your best optionis to use the unplayable ball in
a bunker option and it's goingto cost you a stroke or two.
But I, I know and maybe notwith the champ play or you know
some people's abilities in abunker you could be a D-play
player or a champ player.
You never know what you'regoing to do out of the bunker.

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But I have a couple of friendsand I, you know, they just
cannot get the ball.
They just don't have the skillto get out of a bunker when the
ball is lying poorly in thebunker and out of a bunker when
the ball is lying poorly in thebunker.
And they'll take three or fourstrokes at it and we're in a
friendly match and they'll justpick up because what are?
they going to do, right yeah,and you feel bad for them.

(48:10):
But on tour, if we don't havethe rake rule or something like
that, maybe your best option isto take the unplayable ball
relief.
Okay, so you have a couple ofoptions, and mentioned before
for an unplayable ball otherthan if you're in a penalty area

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.
You can take an unplayable ballrelief anywhere on the course
other than a penalty area, andthat includes a bunker.
The rule is Rule 19.
And it is a little bitdifferent for bunker play though
, because for bunker play, ifyou're going to not use stroke
and distance, your ball, whenyou take that drop for the

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one-stroke penalty, has toremain in that bunker.
So let me give you some examples.
So you've hit the ball 250yards off the tee, you're in the
bunker and you've got to decidewhat do you want to do?
Do you want to use stroke anddistance?
Well, who knows stroke anddistance?
You go back 250 yards and youhit back into that bunker again.

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That's not going to be.
Or maybe you hit it out ofbounds.
You never, you never know.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Right.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
So maybe that's not your best option.
You take stroke and distance,though, from.
Let's say you hit the ball intothe bunker and you're only 20
yards behind that bunker.
Well, there, you still get onlyone stroke penalty, but you get
to hit again from 20 yardsbehind that bunker instead of,
you know, like a 250 yard shot.

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So stroke and distance isalways an option.
That's your first option.
You can also have lateralrelief in the bunker and that's
where you drop laterally, nocloser to the hole, but your
ball must remain in that bunker.
And lateral relief to clublengths.
And then your third option allof these are one strokes Third

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option.
And let's say it's wedged in thetop of that bunker.
There's no way you're going toget it out.
You can go that back on theline relief within the bunker
for one stroke, so you line upthe pin with where your ball
lays and you can go all the wayback in that bunker as far as
you like.
Staying in the bunker,one-stroke penalty, okay.

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So those are your threeone-stroke penalty options, but
let's say none of those are good.
You'd rather hit out of thebunker.
You don't want to go back 250yards, but you could go back on
the line relief outside of thebunker within just a few yards.
You can do that but it's goingto cost you two strokes.

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So you can take back on theline relief out of the bunker,
but that's going to cost you twostrokes.
But all for my friends whocan't get the ball out of the
bunker.
And as much as they try, maybethat's the option they play,
maybe they drop it one strokeback on the line relief for one

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stroke.
So just to recap, there you'vegot a couple of options.
You've got one stroke back onthe line relief in the bunker.
One stroke lateral reliefwithin two club lengths in the
bunker.
One stroke lateral reliefwithin two club lengths in the
bunker.
One stroke stroke and distance.
But you have to go back towhere you originally hit it.
So those are your three onestroke options and then for two

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strokes back on the back on theline relief outside of the
bunker, got it?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
you got it, but now let me throw a wrinkle in here
for you.
Okay, oh, here you go.
So, so let's say, as a, forexample, you're behind the green
and you're you're trying tochip up and you skull the ball
across the green and it embedson the backside of a bunker.
Okay, on the back side of abunker.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
Okay, another bunker.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yep, okay, right, and so instead of being on the
front, on the leading edge ofthe lip onto the green, it's on
the back edge.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
Right and oh, and you're saying it's unplayable,
then yeah, you're going to havea tough time.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Just pick up your triple.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
How do you know that I already had a tough time doing
it?
I mean because that did happento me and I'm not going to get
into what happened.
Yeah, this was a while ago.
Okay, zach, I'm not going totell you that I did the second
topic that we're gonna talkabout today, but I was not very
happy and it right it just itwas just take a triple and walk

(52:52):
away.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
So yeah, um.
So maybe your option like somaybe you're on that back edge
and you're saying you can't evendrop within that bunker there
Maybe your option is to go backand play from the original
bunker.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
That could have been it.
Yeah, but I was so mad thatprobably didn't.
I couldn't have even thoughtthat.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
At that point, take your triple, tend the flag for
everybody else and call it a day.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I may have Happy Gilmore'd the flag.
You never know.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
You know, there's a new Happy Gilmore coming out.
I do, I do Good.
Yes, I saw some previews.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I saw the.
You know it was on full swing.
Some of the filming with thepros.
It was on full swing.
Um, some, some of those, someof the filming with the pros,
and I'm thinking that must'vebeen such a fun day or days, uh,
as a pro you know, doing those,uh, doing those filmings with
it.
That must've been hilarious.

Speaker 7 (53:54):
So I've also been watching separate stop.
I've also read to this new showwith uh Owen Wilson called
Stick on.
Apple TV A new golf series.
Is it good?
It's pretty good.
I think it's produced by thesame people that did the soccer
one.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Ted Lasso.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
It's not as good as Ted Lasso, but it's still pretty
good.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I've seen a lot of the highlights I I haven't seen.
I haven't watched any of it yet, but that that is on on my list
to to do yeah, uh, you know thething about that unplayable.

Speaker 7 (54:29):
I think a lot of people forget about the stroke
and distance uh option andhopefully you can get.
You're skilled enough to getout of the bunker, but you know,
not everybody is, and you knowstroke and distance.
It's only going to cost you onestroke and you're getting to
hit.
You know, if you hit out of anice grassy area to begin with,
you know it might be a betteroption, right?

(54:49):
I mean it's gonna.
It's gonna cost you a stroke toget to hit that shot out of the
bunker, right?
right so that's a stroke.
If you choose not to take thatstroke, it's not like you're
adding a stroke to your score.
Well, I mean you are, becauseyou're taking a penalty stroke,
but you're taking that strokefrom the fairway plus the
penalty stroke.

(55:09):
Right, I mean not the fairway,but wherever you were.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Yeah, the stroke and distance where you were, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I mean it could be the fairway.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Yeah, could be the fairway.
Yeah, it could be the fairway,exactly, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
You know.
So, roger, I don't know ifyou've seen this or not, but on
the PGA Tour there's been a lotof or let's just say a fair
amount of club throwinginstances.
There was one a few weeks agowhere Wyndham Clark threw a club
through a sponsorship sign.
There are actually two clubthrowing instances in that

(55:47):
tournament.
I forget which one it was.
There's been that one, and someof the reporting was because of
the purses and the more moneythat's involved.
That's causing more stress.
To me.
It doesn't.
Whatever, I don't care what itis, but let's talk a little bit
about you know what's number one?

(56:10):
What's the actual USGA rules onclub throwing?

Speaker 7 (56:14):
Sure, well, first I'll say, shoot, I've thrown a
club over $2, so I feel bad.
Now say, shoot, I've thrown aclub over $2, so I feel bad now.
And I should say that.
So we have this unwritten rulein our group If you do something
silly like that, have you everlike, let's say, you're a righty

(56:35):
thrower, you have to take agolf ball and you have to throw
it with the opposite hand or theclub?
You have to take a golf balland you have to throw it with
the opposite hand or the club.
Like you have to throw it likelesby and you feel like such an
idiot and then you laugh aboutit.
So that's our new unwrittenrule.
Like, if you do something dumblike that, you got to throw it
lefty the next time.
So okay, just try that nexttime, you'll see how silly it

(56:57):
feels someone will get hurt thatway yeah, pretty much, yeah
much.
Yeah, throw your shoulder out,yeah.
So things like that throwing aclub, whacking your club on the
ground on a putting green andmaybe damaging it I refer to it
like cussing other playersfighting with other players I
mean, you've probably seen someof these crazy YouTube videos

(57:18):
where people fight and stuffEven people they're playing with
it's ugly.
So that comes under thestandards of conduct within the
rules of golf.
Standards of conduct are in therules book and basically it has
to be something.
I'm just going to read thisbecause this one thing it has

(57:41):
it's so removed from what isexpected that A player could be
DQ'd is justified.
So it's so removed from whatthe normal golf position is that
it justifies someone beingdisqualified.
So, if you know, maybe justtossing a club in anger gently

(58:03):
is not so removed, that's.
You know, you get mad, peopleget mad.
We understand that.
Yelling at another player hey,you talked in my backswing.
You know those are things thatyou can control.
It's not that bad.
But let's say fighting, let'ssay whacking your club, damaging
a golf cart with a club like aclub's golf cart and whacking it

(58:27):
on the windshield Correct,because I've actually seen that
happen.
Those could be grounds for anautomatic disqualification.
But if it's not as serious,most of the time what they ask,
what's done, is the committeeand we're all the committee.

(58:49):
Let's say you're the committeeof your tour and Chris is the
committee of his tour.
You make a local rule and mostof the times you get one warning
and then from there thecommittee will make a decision
on what's the next step.
Is it one penalty stroke, is itthe general penalty, which
means two strokes and strokeplay, or loss of hole and match

(59:10):
play, or is it disqualification?
So let's say club throwing, youdecide as the committee we are
not going to allow club throwingat all, 100%.
You get a warning, then you getDQ'd and you could make that
decision and you put that.
But that has to be written as alocal rule.
Okay.

(59:30):
And if you don't have a localrule then it falls under that
standards of conduct.
Is it justified indisqualifying someone?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Chris, what do you guys do?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Keep it under the table.
My, my favorite's the over, theover, the tomahawk I understand
see if you can stick it to theground.
No, I mean, honestly, I don'tthink, you know, in our tour we
don't have that issue.
Um, I see it more often in inthe fun rounds that we do or the

(01:00:03):
friendly matches where you seethat happening for a quarter or
whatnot, but on tour I haven'tseen anything to have to make a
local rule, um.
But I think you know, we put onsuch a great tournament and
when I say we, I mean we as a asa whole golf week um to where
it's kind of like an unwrittenrule that people know.

(01:00:24):
You know, we, we take thatserious and we don't allow that
around here.
So, yeah, I mean I haven't hadto deal with it, but me
personally, on my practicerounds or fun rounds, the
over-the-top is probably thebest, so I can't go with just
the left hand.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
That would See Right, see you asked Well, it's funny,
I had a friend who he tossedthe club and it almost took me
out and he probably heapologized.
He just felt like a foolafterwards and you just feel so
silly afterwards like why, did I?
This is just golf, you know welove our golf, but we don't need

(01:01:03):
to be doing that right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I think the most that I've seen is usually on the tee
box when their tee shot goesaway and then they swing a
little harder on their tee andkick it out on their tee.
I think that's the most I'veseen poor tees.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
A couple years ago, one of the nicest guys we had on
the Atlanta tour was having abad day and again, one of the
nicest guys, funnest guys toplay with, had a bad day and,
and, um, again one of the niceguys bonus guys to play with had
a bad day and he threw a tempertantrum and and he's a big guy
and he, he threw his ball.
He wasn't paying attention.
We threw his ball and hitsomebody right in the forehead.

(01:01:43):
Ooh, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
Yeah, luckily we don't have too much of that on
our on the door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, yeah, so we had , we had to deal with that and
but you know, it's um, yeah,again it it happens, but it
doesn't happen very often andagain it comes back to the
culture that we built and andyou know, like, like Chris said,
you know, across the board,it's not, it's not something
that we tolerate and that'ssomething that you know, we

(01:02:14):
allow to happen.
It's just not good.
Yep Well, Roger, thanks againso much for joining us and
giving us that great information.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
One last thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Oh, go ahead.
What do you?

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
got Got to show out my shirt here, my Oakmont shirt
there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah, oakmont shirt, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Oakmont.
That's where they're playingthis week.
Yeah, so, hopefully so.
I found out in 2000.
Oh shoot, not 2027.
So I worked Wingfoot in 2006and I saw that it's going back

(01:02:53):
there and that's where I havesome family up in New York, okay
.
So, uh, us Open week this week.
I'm, I'm hoping to be able toget up there to work that event.
I mean, I know it's a coupleyears away, but uh, the US
Open's a, you know, really toughtest the golf, that's for sure
and uh, I'd love to go back andwork that one again and
hopefully I.
I worked the U S amateur thereas a rules official.
Uh.
I was there for the 2006 open.

(01:03:15):
Uh, and then I I hope to goback again in a couple of years.
I was just looking at who.
Where are the opens coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
And Seneca Hills up in and then.
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I hope to get up there for that, Roger.
Well, if two tickets happen tofall out of your pocket and you
need somebody to find them, I'mpretty sure me and Tim.
I got two guys.

Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
Yeah, you got it.
You're first on the list.
Don't worry, because my kidswho didn't show up for file
they're not coming, they're out,they're out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
They're on the bottom list, they're out.
They're on the bottom list,they're out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
They're out.
Roger, I don't know if you knowthis or not, but Joe Jasper's
qualified for US Senior Opennext week at Broadmoor.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Not next week.
It's the 26th to the 30th ofJune.

Speaker 7 (01:04:03):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
So not this episode but the next episode.
We'll know if we have a USUOpen champ on our tour.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
That's awesome.
Yeah, I'll definitely checkthat out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yep.
So again, roger, again, thankyou so much for what you do and
spending some time with us.
I really do appreciate it andhopefully we'll see you real
soon.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
Thank you guys, Keep those questions coming in you
got it bud All right Later.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Thank you, guys, Keep those questions coming in.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
You got it bud, All right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Tim, it's always great to talk to Roger.
I mean I can't believe it'sbeen over a month, or close to
over a month, that we've had himon.
But rules are always somethingthat's going to be part of this
game, whether you like them ornot, or whether they benefit you
or hurt you.
You know I had a rule come upfrom my champ flat guys about um
, a ball being embedded in atumbleweed and he couldn't

(01:05:16):
really identify it.
Uh, but he hit he, he thoughtit was his, he hit it out, come
to find out it wasn't his and hegoes back and it's maybe 10
paces to the to the left.
So you know the rules arealways there and not everybody
knows them.
At the time I had to look it upand confirm that I was given
the right ruling, um.
But you know it's, it's, it'spart of the game and it's great

(01:05:40):
to have somebody that we canlean on to uh to get the correct
ruling on it.
I mean, this guy knows like theback of his hand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Yeah, and again, if you know the rules, you can use
them to your benefit.
Right, that's the other key.
Like Roger says, all the time,it's not meant to punish you or
hurt you.
If you know the rules a lot oftimes, you can use them to your
benefit.
And just like he talked abouttoday, with the embedded ball
rule in a bunker, you know, knowthe rule and you don't have to

(01:06:13):
take three strokes at anembedded ball in a bunker.
You can pull it out, take adrop and move on from there, and
it could be the differencebetween bogey and triple bogey
it could be two strokes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Correct.
And I mean, you know, in ourgroup chat between us three,
we're always sending videos.
Mean, you know, in our groupchat between us three, we're
always sending videos of, youknow, the USGA coming out with a
video on explaining a rule orthis and that just to keep us
fresh on what's going on.

(01:06:46):
Um, hitting left-handed whenyou're right-handed, hitter um,
there's all these rules thatthat you may not know about,
that you know, at the end of theday can can help you and save
your round exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
And um, don't throw clubs.
Just just don't throw clubs, orballs, or hats, or glasses or
anything to other people, justbe normal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I'm telling you, tomahawk, best one Gets your
stretch on your shoulders youknow stretching behind and it
goes straight up in the air orstraight forward.
Oh God, see, see, see, see, I'ma bad influence.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
You are, you are and and see, people are gonna think
that's the norm now becausechris chris on the podcast is
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That means everybody can do it no, no, no I said, I
only do it on on friendly roundswhen there's a little too much
to uh, too much beverages around.
Okay, that's when that chriscomes out.
Tournament golf is different,all right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Well, you know we had Roger and we had Ryan Nicholson
on from the Indianapolis tour.
Again, you know we had somereally good nominations for the
month of May and you knowDennis' feedback was something
that you and I had talked aboutthe month before, because we
look at it and you and I talkabout it, but we're not the ones

(01:08:15):
who make the decisions.
But the write-up is importantand when Dennis saw it and his
feedback to us was how importantthat write-up was to his
decision-making, it's important,right is decision-making.
It's important Right Now.
Before we go into this, onething before I forget is you

(01:08:39):
know I really like your email toyour players with the player
spotlight.
Appreciate it.
You did a really nice job ofthat and bring Lyle up.
Lyle always does a really good,good job and lyle's the one who
does the the graphic for theplayer of the month right um, he
did.
He did one that was really nice,and when I sent him an email

(01:09:00):
told him that I liked it, hesaid, well, I, if you want, I'll
do the graphic.
For that I said, no, you justkeep doing the graphic the way
you're doing it I just want tolet you know that, that that I
thought you did a good job withthat, um, um, I mean everything
he does, I mean all of hisgraphics are, are, are really
good.
He's really really good at thatbut uh, and I think you know I

(01:09:24):
don't know how true this is,maybe it's just, maybe I'm in my
head with this is that some ofthese things that we're, that
we're doing um are elevating um,what local tour directors are
doing in in highlighting theirplayers?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
for sure.
I mean, like I can't take thecredit.
I got it from the arizona guyarizona tour, when when they
started it I didn't even knowlyle was doing it for his um.
So I kind of you know, they putit in the group chat and I kind
of said, hey, that's a greatidea, I'm stealing it.
And once I posted out, I gotI'm not kidding 10 text messages

(01:10:00):
asking how they, why they werenot the first.
Well, it had to be Jordan, ithad to be somebody right.
And when your assistant textsyou, you ask you why he's not
first.
I told him, because you workfor me, you're not a member,
you're an assistant director andif you keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I'm going to make you do it for everybody, right
right, right, but no, I do thinkit elevates us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
You know, it challenges me when I see see my,
you know the, the tours aroundme do more social media, because
then it's like, okay, what canI do?
Right, you know, I, I want myguys to to be able to have
things to post out, um, becausethey like to brag on themselves

(01:10:47):
plain and simple golfers like tobrag, especially when they win.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Go back to what Trey told us when we were in
Louisiana last year.
He said if you involve people,they want to hear other people
talking about them.
And they want to talk about them.
That's not a knock on anybody,that's just human nature.

(01:11:12):
But Trey was spot on and you'reright, they want to brag on it.
Here's another.
For example, we had atournament and I had my
granddaughter with me last weekand I took her back and, uh, I

(01:11:32):
hadn't posted the pictures yeton Monday.
Monday Saturday hadn't postedpictures yet on Monday, and one
of the guys who who got hisfirst one of the year, he said
you know, you're going to postthese pictures anytime soon.
Um, and, and, and he did, and hedid it with a laughing emoji,

(01:11:53):
Right?
So I mean, it's just the way hewas.
I was like, oh my God, man, andI took it the way that it was
meant.
You know, I didn't take anyoffense to it, but that's it.
They want to see it and theywant to post it and they want to
brag on themselves and theywant all those things, and good
on them for doing it as well.
So it does elevate us, it doesmake us um, not only, as you

(01:12:17):
know, from podcasts, but alsofrom individual tour directors.
It makes us work, work more to,you know, to keep up with with
um what the players want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
For sure, for sure, I mean, and there's always
different ideas to do.
You know, yeah, like youmentioned, trey and Louisiana,
they do their pre-tournamentpodcast.
It takes time, man, it takestime.
We tried to do it last year andtrying to get all that
organized is crazy.
It is crazy.

(01:12:49):
But I think you know when youdo it, it does elevate it.
When you don't do it and youhave done it in the past then
members ask you know?

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Why hasn't it been done?
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
slacking off, dude, right right, do your job and I
just can't wait.
I enjoy every year, becauseevery year you find something
that someone else does andyou're just able to elevate
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
And that's what it's about for us and our players in
the tour.
Let's run through the othernominations Again.
All good nominations, I'llstart.
We had one from the othernominations.
Again, all good nominations,I'll start.
We have one from theMississippi Tour and this is.
I would like to nominate RonnieAveritt.
Ronnie's been around for awhile.

(01:13:41):
He's a longtime member of GolfWeek and Senior Tour, always
willing to help, alwaysrecruiting and is playing on our
tour just about every weekend.
And that's true.
Ronnie is all over the place.
He plays regionals, localtournaments and he plays both
national championships and youknow, again, ronnie's been

(01:14:04):
around for a while and does agreat job in promoting the tour
and getting members fromMississippi.
So, ronnie, keep it up bud andlooking forward to seeing you.
Hopefully, we'll see you at aregional and or national
championship.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Definitely.
We also got another one fromthe Nashville tour and I guess
this is where you bring up.
Write-ups are very important.
A-flight player, Matt Warren,longtime player, very
competitive, always a voice ofreason and always helps to
recruit players.
Loves Hilton Head, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
And you know again, I'm not knocking anybody, I mean
that's not on Matt, I mean itis what it is.
But you know again when youcompare that write-up to Ryan's
or the next one I'm gettingready to read.
You know it may take a coupleextra minutes, but the

(01:15:05):
presentation of it and thewrite-up of it um is really
important that.
Go back to to what Tyler didwithout Albert Delamar out of St
Louis.
Tyler did a really good jobwith that, had a nice graphic.
I mean, he, he did a reallyreally good job with that and,
um on, let's put it this way,I'm not, let's put it this way,

(01:15:31):
I'm not knocking any winner oranybody, but I was surprised
that Albert didn't win justbased on that write-up.
Not that Mike Cobb wasn'tdeserving, because he was Right,
but I mean that write-up wasphenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
But anyway, it helps when it comes down to the wire.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
And Dennis has to decide who to pick.
Like the extra wording helps.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yeah.
So here's the last submissionfor May.
This comes from Tampa and thenominee is Mike Horn, and the
nominee is Mike Horn, and whatShane wrote was this is the
write-up we did about him in oneof our recent newsletters.
So he was a player spotlightfor Tampa.

(01:16:19):
It says back in 2023, mike Hornwon a tournament and never
expected what happened next.
Two years and 47 tournamentslater, this player found his
next win Wow, wow.
During the time in between, hestarted to doubt himself and
wonder if this game was for him.
He knew he couldn't quitbecause he was teaching his two
kids I would never give up onsomething you love to do.

(01:16:40):
So he kept pushing forward,regardless of the outcome.
We've all been there.
Keep pushing forward and lovethe game, because life is too
short to give up.
Mike always helps us attournaments with unloading the
truck, setting up or whatever isneeded.
He's always sharing ourFacebook posts to other golf
Facebook pages in order to helpgrow our tour.
He always has people that wantto play with him, but he remains

(01:17:03):
neutral and plays with whoeverhe is paired with, plays in all
other tour tournaments, goes andchecks out courses for us prior
to a tournament when we do nothave time to do so.
He deserves to be chosen forall the reasons stated above,
and that's a good write-upbecause it really kind of gets
into again some of the thingsthat we've talked about who our

(01:17:25):
ideal member is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Right, right, I mean I've had members that have gone
through the same thing.
You know, I think jordan wentthree plus years without winning
a tournament and just kept Imean he didn't miss a tournament
, kept persevering, trying toget there and he finally got one
.
Um, you know it takes a lot ofweight off your shoulders and

(01:17:48):
I'm pretty sure that's whathappened with Mike as well.
But you know, like you said,it's it, it was tough between
him and Ryan and it it comesdown to to how your directors
view you and and see you as a,as a member and, you know, kind
of a spokesperson for the touritself.

(01:18:09):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,you know.
You know kind of a spokespersonfor the tour itself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yeah, absolutely Absolutely, you know, you know I
would say all the nominees weredeserving of of being chosen,
but but but you know, good onRyan, good on Amal, and you know
I, I think Amal is absolutelycorrect that you know, having
somebody chosen out of the 47,48 tours from your tour being

(01:18:36):
member of the month, it doeslook good for your tour, for
sure.
Absolutely does, for sure.
So get your nominations in forthe month of June, because we
already have four.
Where is that five?
January, february, march, aprilwe already have five, so we

(01:18:58):
only have three left June, julyand August.
So get your nominations in byJuly the 5th, and looking
forward to see who that, who the, who the June winner is.
This could be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
It will be.
I can't wait it's going to beawesome.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
So so what do you got going on?
I know you got some ornaments.
I mean you, you, you got busy,you got busy in 30 days yeah.
The countdown's on for you.
You're under 30 days, right?
You're right at 31 days.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I could probably ask my son and he'd tell you exactly
how much.
But it's getting close.
Let's see.
We got head out to go to Sedona, arizona, for a golf tournament
there.
Come back, have a weekend off.
Then go back to Arizona for agolf tournament there.
Come back, have a weekend off.
Then go back to Arizona for ourtwo Bach tournament.

(01:19:57):
Come back, have a localtournament.
Then I leave to Hawaii for 10days Play some golf up there.
Can't wait.
You're going to love it andpeople keep asking You've been
surfing.
I've never surfed.
They'll teach you.

(01:20:18):
Do you think my round bodywould yes?

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Do it.
I'll give it a try.
I'll probably fall on my ass,but I'll give it a try.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
That's okay, try it.
I mean seriously Just do it,literally just do it when we
went out there.
So we went out there.
Oh, this is probably 15 yearsago, I'd say 1900s.

(01:20:53):
Oh my God, why are you going tobe this way?
I'm trying to tell yousomething.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
It's because the other day in the car I asked my
wife let's play some 90s summerhits playlist.
That popped up.
She's like, yeah, that'd begreat.
And then my youngest from the1900s, that's too old.
I mean, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
But that is messed up .

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
They're funny, man, kids are funny.
So, let me just show this toyou real quick here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Let's see here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Yeah, while you pull that up, I mean we're going to
rent some UTVs that I get todrive.
Okay, and go into the mountainsarea.
They have like a little tourwhere they film Jurassic Parks.
Oh snap Huh.
All right, if you can do it,I'll do it.
See, I was thinking the bigwave that like went over my head

(01:21:59):
and all that.
No, this is just.
This is a kiddie pool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
See, oh, just so you know, that's AI, that's an AI
picture, although I'm not goingto lie.
When we went out there againwhen we went out there, it was
probably 15 years or so ago wedid go surfing.

(01:22:23):
Jen went surfing.
I mean, they'll teach you.
You need to do it because it'sfun, but it's hard work, I mean
it's not easy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Oh, I'm pretty sure it is not easy.
It's a bunch of leg and core.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Oh my gosh.
And so we were there in January.
It was January, we were thereand we probably only did it for
maybe 45 minutes tops, and whenwe were done I was so dehydrated
, had a headache, I couldn'teven drink, you know, the

(01:22:59):
daiquiri up at the poolafterwards I had my head my head
hurt so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I believe it I mean.
People forget that it's harder,like when you're by the ocean
or you're on the ocean.
You dehydrate a lot quickerbecause just the way the sun
hits off the ocean, yeah Getsyou I believe it, so we give a
shot, oh man.

(01:23:25):
I'll have pictures of show.
I'll send you pictures.
I can't wait.
I'm super excited.
I got a Royal of the show.
I'll send you pictures.
I can't wait.
I'm super excited.
I got a Royal Hawaiian GolfClub.
I have a 610 tee time, firstone to go out by myself.
Okay, that's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
You take the boys with you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I'm going to offer it to them, see if they want to go
, but the views are going to bespectacular.
They say at that time, okay, soI'm not going to offer it to
them, see if they want to go,but the views are going to be
spectacular.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
They say at that time Okay, so I'm not going to tell
you anything, but what you needto tell them.
It's not an option, just comeon, let's go.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
We're going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Just get sleeping in your clothes, whatever, but
we're going.
But we're going Because youknow again, those are things
that you're.
It's not like you can do itagain next week.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Right, right.
So but anyway, you got, you gotbusy time coming up and I
mentioned, you know, in theopening that you know how, how
the podcast has evolved and someof the things that it's done
for us and how it's kind ofchanged the way we, how we get

(01:24:38):
through the year with the tourand it.
It really is funny I, I, withthe other podcasts, I do, I do,
I do guesting on it, um, andpeople interview me and that
type of thing.
And we were actually talkingabout this podcast and, um, the
podcasting journey, how we've,how I've grown, how we've grown,

(01:25:00):
how, how both, how, how both ofthe podcasts have grown.
And I told him you know, if yougo back and listen to our first
episode, it's nothing like itis now.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
You know the quality of the sound.
I think we're both much betterinterviewers.
The show has a lot moredirection to it and it just
feels a heck of a lot different.
And when we made the decisionto go from just audio to video,

(01:25:33):
we should have just been doingvideo, I would say right from
the start, but almost right fromthe start.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I brought it up.
I think it elevates us.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
It did it does you know every time we do it you
know.
The downside to that is youknow before, when we were, when
we would travel, if we're justdoing audio, it was no big deal.
Right now, now, now when wetravel, we have something going
on, like both of us do mainlyyou it's.

(01:26:07):
It's not as simple as just asjust you know.
Take the microphone andsoundboard, right, you know,
right, we've got.
We got other things we have tothink about but that that's.
Those are good things.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Um, it's great and um it's fun, man it's fun to to
just get people on on the cameraand you know people say that
they're nervous but you can'ttell that they're nervous
talking to us.
I think, I think we we have to,you and me have too much fun
doing it to where it relievesthe nervousness from everybody

(01:26:39):
else, Exactly, by the way havingtoo much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Uh, dennis had a tournament almost right by my
office last week or two weeksago, whenever it was, and uh,
had a tournament almost right bymy office last week or two
weeks ago, whenever it was, andhadn't seen him in a while.
You know, he's got all thestuff that he's got going on.
So I just, you know, as I washeading into my office, I
figured I'd just go check in andsay hi and ran into the mayor,

(01:27:06):
saw him.
Of course he better be there.
He was there, saw a couple ofthe other guys and again, it's
the.
It's good to see them and it'salso good to know that they're

(01:27:26):
listening, because that's howthey recognize us Right, that's
how they recognize me, becausethat's how they recognize us
Right, that's how they recognizeme, you know, and I you know,
and I know you do it.
I appreciate the support fromall our members.
It's great and that's why we doit.
We do it for them anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
I mean, when I was out at the Ohio regional, a
handful of people hey, you lookfamiliar.
Where do I know you fromPodcast.
Oh yeah, that's right, you knowyou're on the logo, this and
that.
So, or Dennis introduced me topeople and oh yeah, this is the
co-host from the podcast, like,not even tour director, just

(01:28:06):
co-host from the podcast.
So it's fun and it's nice and,like you said you, you said we
interview so many peoplethroughout the year, or we've
interviewed.
I'd be curious to know how manypeople we've actually
interviewed at all these places,because when we go to nationals
and I go to my tournament, it'slike 5, 10, 15 guys, people

(01:28:26):
that notice and recognizeexactly, it's fun and we enjoy
it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So we got the raffle for the clubs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Put all that in the show notes, and next time we
talk it'll be almost July, jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Don't say that hey.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Is what it is.
I'll be going to, so here's thething.
Let's remember this Next time wetalk we have to put in our
notes, our show prep notes.
Happy 4th of July we'll dobecause you know we it was

(01:29:22):
belated.
Happy Father's Day.
It's also belated.
Happy Flag Day.
Flag Day and Father's Day wereon the same day this year.
I don't know if you celebrate.
I don't know if you celebrateFlag Day.
Flag Day and Father's Day wereon the same day this year.
I don't know if you celebrateFlag Day.
My family has been celebratingFlag Day for years.
I don't know if you could hearthat, but Jen's on the other
side of the curtain over therelaughing.
That's kind of an inside jokefor my youngest daughter, but

(01:29:50):
anyway, it's all good things,man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
It's always.
It is always.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
You take care of yourself Best of the family.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Likewise.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
And we'll talk to you soon.
All right, sounds good.
All right, bud.
See ya.

(01:30:34):
All right, that's a wrap forthis week's episode.
But, chris, after all this time, you would think we would
remember this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
We forgot to tell people how to register, didn't
we?
Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Well, if you're not already part of the Golf Week
Amateur Tour, what are youwaiting for?
Grab your clubs, join the funand see what competitive golf is
all about.
You can sign up today and startmeeting some incredible folks
who love the game as much as youdo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
All you need to do is go to AmateurGolfTournet, click
the Join the Tour button andpay your local tour's membership
dues.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
And hey, don't forget , if you're enjoying the podcast
.
You can catch us on all of themajor podcast platforms.
Be sure to download, share withyour golf buddies and throw us
a quick review if you're feelingthe love.
It helps us keep bringing youthe good stuff and reaching even
more golfers out there.
Thanks for hanging with us anduntil next time, keep swinging

(01:31:31):
and having fun out there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
We'll see you next time.
Take care.

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