January 27, 2025 • 61 mins
This episode explores the heart of the Golf Week Amateur Tour through engaging discussions with new tour directors and a special focus on the rules of golf. We welcome Vic Werner, the Senior Arkansas Tour Director, as he shares his journey and insights about enhancing the competitive experience while fostering community among players. The episode also addresses essential rule clarifications to better equip golfers for the challenges they may encounter on the course.
• Introduction of co-host and special guests
• Welcoming new directors to the Golfweek Amateur Tour
• Vic Werner discusses his role as Senior Tour Director
• Importance of community and camaraderie within the tour
• Overview of exciting upcoming events and must-play courses
• Roger clarifies important golf rules for all players
• Tips for new members and embracing a fun, competitive atmosphere
• Final thoughts on the spirit of golf and fostering connections among players
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the next episode of the podcast.
As you can tell if you'rewatching or listening, usually I
don't give the intro for thepodcast, but Tim's not able to
join us this episode.
So I was asked to pick aspecial co-host for this event
and there are so many choicesthat I was able to pick from.
(00:23):
Were so many choices that I wasable to pick from, uh?
But I knew, you know that everyyear it seems like I, at the
beginning of the year, I do anepisode by myself and, uh, every
year I ask, uh, my good friend,to join in, um this episode.
So, uh, when I had to get afull co-host for the full 45
(00:44):
minutes to an hour, you're goingto listen to us.
I knew exactly who to pick, sowe're going to bring him in
right now, especially if you'rewatching.
But he's a great director, youknow, director of the year, top
contributor to the TaviFoundation year after year, one
of the bigger regionals that wehave year after year to the Tavi
(01:05):
Foundation year after year, oneof the bigger regionals that we
have year after year, and mydear friend who has guided me
through becoming a director.
So definitely want to bring himon.
We're going to go ahead and dothat right now.
There he is, mr Gabe Garcia,arizona director.
Gabe, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Chris, how are you doing, my friend?
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm doing great.
Thank you for coming on being aco-host with me.
We have a great episode.
We're going to bring on anotherdirector to talk about his
season coming up, and then we'vegot a return of the rules with
Roger's Rules, which people havebeen excited to hear from.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
uh, I can't believe people are excited to hear about
the rules of golf, but uh,they're asking for it hey, man,
anything that you can, anyinformation you can get to get
an advantage out on the course,I think anybody that is looking
for that opportunity, so morethe better true, we we've talked
before how you know rules canbe an advantage as well as
sometimes a disadvantage,especially if somebody knows it
(02:09):
and you don't know and it justblindsides you.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We need to check to see if there's a rule on lights
on the carts so I can penalizeyou all next time, but that's a
story for another day.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think it's a story that needs to be told, though
It'll be told.
It's always told for anotherday.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I think it's a story that needs to be told, though
It'll be told.
It's always told, trust me, butlet's get this episode started.
How do you feel about that?
I'm excited, let's do it Allright, let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Ladies and gentlemen, golf Week Amateur Tour proudly
presents Golf Week Amateur Tour,the podcast Talking about all
things Golf Week Amateur Tour,including interviews with tour
directors, players and courseprofessionals.
Now here are your hosts, timNewman and El Paso Las Cruces
tour director, chris Rocha Allright, gabe, so this is going to
(03:15):
be your first guest as theco-host.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I hope you're excited and you know, like we mentioned
before, we're trying to get allthese new directors.
We have a lot actually I don'tknow if you're aware of how many
we have.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, a lot of new ones are coming in, both tours,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, there is quite a bit, so we kind of want to put
a face and a voice you know incase they're not watching the
video format to who their tourdirector is going to be.
So, without further ado, wehave there.
He is Vic Werner, the newdirector of the Senior Arkansas
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Tour.
Sir, how are you doing today?
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Good to be here Morning.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Dave Morning.
Dave Chris, happy New Year.
Well, appreciate you takingsome time.
You know, unfortunately Timcouldn't be with us, but my
mentor, mr Gabe Garcia, is hereas my co-host.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Don't humble that against him, Vic.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Vic, we just really want to get to know you.
You know, congratulations,welcome to the group of
directors.
I would say elite group, but um, you know there's there's some
that that would say otherwise.
But uh, you know, welcome.
Like um, you know we have a lotof of listeners, especially in
your area, and let them know totell them who, who mr vick is
(04:43):
and who's taking over their tour.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well, I've been playing on the regular tour on
the I don't even know what youcall it, I guess the Golf Week
tour Since 2013,.
It started here in Arkansas in2012.
I started in 2013,.
(05:07):
Started in the C flight, tryingto stay in the C flight but
been playing badly and movingdown to the c flight trying to
stay in the c flight but beenplaying badly, moving down to
the d flight, but anyway.
Uh started out, uh got to knowjerry hamashak, the tour
director there, and became hisassistant in my second year,
helping him out.
Uh, and then, uh, two years agowe decided to start the senior
tour and at first jerry wasrunning that when I was still
his assistant.
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But as I was telling Gabepre-show, I said he had a couple
of new grandkids.
He had two, his only two.
They're twin girls and he justhas to spend a lot of time.
We originally started doing thetournaments on the same weekend
as the regular tour, just on aMonday.
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Usually A lot of peoplecouldn't come and partly it was
because he couldn't be gone fourweekends out of the year.
My wife is helping me this year, so we're still together on the
weekends doing golf week stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Hey and you bring that up, but we've talked about
it before me and Tim, when thespouses are involved, whether
it's on event day or leading upto event day, it's better.
It's a better experience for usas directors because we know
that we have that support.
(06:26):
You know, I know, like, forinstance, gabe at TPC, his whole
clan helps him.
I mean he's got eight peoplethat help him.
You know my wife.
She may not be at the eventsbut leading up to it she's
helped me cut score cards andcart signs and making sure
everything's packed ready to go.
So it's always a good help tohave them around to help us out.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So, Vic, having been, I guess, the assistant for
Jerry for a while, how do youthink that's going to help you
as you get started with takingover the tour yourself?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, it helps me learn how the tournaments run
and how we run them, and sothat's definitely been a help.
It's also helped because I gotto know.
I get to know all the guys andthe ladies we have some ladies
in there too, but I get to knoweverybody.
They get to know me.
Some of them know me betterthan they know Jerry, but some
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of it depends too, becauseJerry's been an A-B flighter so
he got to know the higherflights and I tended to know the
C-D folks a little bit better.
But I've really gotten to knoweverybody pretty much.
So that's been helpful to helphim and get to know people.
Like I said earlier, I lookafter the website, the content,
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so I get to see people's names.
Anytime After the tournaments Itake the pictures.
We do a slideshow of winners onour website so I put the
slideshow together.
Yeah, tournament day doesn'tend with the tournament.
I'm usually working especiallywith two, having to put two
slideshows.
That got exciting.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, we all know that one.
Everybody thinks as soon as theuh yeah as soon as the scoring
is complete, that everybody'sday is just done and over with
and go home and relax.
And that's not.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's certainly the case so are you still helping
him with the golf week one aswell?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
yes, yep, yeah, I that.
That was one one.
One of his requirements forgetting rid of it is that I
continue to help him with thatAgain, because I mean, I'm the
more of the, even though my mydegree, my day job, is not in
technology.
I love technology and I'vealways, so I'm basically his
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tech helper, or you know anyanything technological.
I'm there for that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Do you have a lot of crossover between the two tours?
A lot of guys plan both.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
We do.
We have a fair amount, and Iwas thinking about this the
other day.
I think I need to check and seewho is crossing over.
Still.
We have a few that have justdecided to focus on the senior,
but then we still do have somecrossover.
So I'm not sure I haven't gonein to see how many people Right
now we're running about neck andneck on, you know new members
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or memberships.
That's great.
He's a couple ahead of me.
We kind of joke around aboutwho's ahead of who.
Last year we had on the seniortour for our second year.
We had 93, I think, and he had150 or so, maybe more, I don't
know the exact number, but hehad quite a few.
(09:34):
And again, as you know, somepeople start to play a few
tournaments and you don't seethem again.
Sure, I mean 93 is still a goodnumber.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Solid him again, but sure, right, but I mean, 93 is
still a good number solid.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I'm hoping to hit that 100 mark before the.
Uh, you know I got to go to thedirector's meeting in hilton
head as a new new director, sosee all those little awards they
give out, and you know.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So it's kind of kind of cool to watch that oh yeah,
it's always a good time.
So your, your season starts,from what I'm looking here,
starts in march, yeah, kind ofkind of mid and march.
Um, any courses on there thatyou know are like hey, you do
not want to miss this event,don't?
You know?
Whether it's a major or asingle day, this is one of the
(10:19):
one or two that you do not wantto miss for any reason.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, for us, you know, we have the advantage.
We have the Hot Springs Village, which is a retirement
community.
It has eight golf courses thereand they're all in great shape
Always.
You know, we have people comefrom other tours that say we
come up to play Columbia AirVans because this is the nicest
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course we play all year.
Some of our folks have evensaid that, uh, depending on what
course they played in hiltonhead, the village courses are
just as nice as those.
So, uh, anything in the villageis a is a don't miss.
So we start out in the villageour season opener.
It's.
It's a two-day event.
Originally started as a one-dayevent but because of some
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scheduling issues it ended upbeing a two-day event to start
out.
But the other course probablyon the schedule is Diamante.
Nobody in this area wants tomiss Diamante.
Diamante is in the village butit's a private course and it's
always in great shape, just agorgeous course.
So I really want to be DiamanteRight now I'm kind of trying to
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connect with.
I've got one date to fill aMonday.
Well, it could be a Saturday,but try to get a Monday private
club and we were scheduled toplay there on Eclipse Day so it
got canceled because of EclipseNot that the Eclipse lasts a
long time, but it got canceled.
That and partly because thatparticular course was getting
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ready to host the Simmons BankChampionship for the Champions
Tour of the PGA.
They have a contract for thenext five years and so we're
hoping to get back.
I'd love to be able to get onthere again with, like I said,
we were scheduled, but I'm, meand the head pro are having a
hard time connecting.
(12:11):
Don't know if he even has thatdate available, but that that
would be.
Yeah, and that course I Ivolunteered at the tournament.
It's just in gorgeous shape.
I've played it before, but itwas just in absolute gorgeous
plate shape for the pros.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Just let them know that the only fee that you
charge for volunteering is thatthey allow you to hold a single
day in there.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Should get you in without any problems, right?
Yeah, that's a good try, but no, I mean, I'm looking at it.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That is pretty cool to have just one village with
all these courses that you canreally knock out half your
schedule in yeah and I don'thave as many on my schedule, as
jerry has on his this year,because I grabbed a couple of
newer courses that we hadn'tplayed before.
There's one, uh, river oak, upin cersei, which is a new course
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, uh, for us, uh we have.
The advantage in the seniortour is we can pick some courses
that have shorter yardages thatthey can't do on the golf week
Around.
Here we call that the open tour.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Are you and Jerry working together to kind of
coordinate the schedule so theguys that do crossover have the
opportunity to play as much aspossible?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, we do A couple couple of weekends.
We decided, if it was the samecourse, we would do a saturday
sunday event.
He'd do the saturday, I do thesunday, so that might give us
another weekend off for sure inthat month rather than being
alternate.
But yeah, we've tried prettymuch to do alternate weekends on
most months.
So it's's, it's worked out Okay.
(13:46):
It's like early in the seasonhe set his dates.
Kind of he has seniority, heset his dates first and I kind
of went into in in between thosedates.
But yeah, worked out prettygood.
We we get along well and youknow, and he's always been uh
good to teach me the ropes butalso, uh, you know, takes, takes
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good care of me good right, andyour events are usually mondays
or saturdays they are now uh,more I think we have.
The only time we do a mondayevent now is if it's a private
club, and that's the only timethey're open.
So I think I have three, maybefour.
If I get pleasant valley Ithink that might be four, but a
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lot of the rest are saturday orif it's a two-day, usually a
saturday, sunday good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I do have to ask.
I keep looking at it, thattrophy behind you.
I know you put it there for areason.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, that was 2015?
I don't remember what it washere.
Yeah, Sea Flight winner.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right 2015,.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Isabella, one of the tour finals, I think.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Very cool.
Bragging rights is always agood thing, huh, chris, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I bring them here to the office.
I mean, if you looked at theother side of my office, I've
got anything I've won, whichhasn't well.
Actually I was going to say ithasn't been in a while, but I
did go to Nashville last year inthe D flight in seniors and won
Nashville by scoring much lowerthan I've ever scored
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Sandbagger.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, let me ask you this, then you know, because you
are a player as well Are youplanning on being the few
director players, or are youjust going to be director for
this first year and kind of seehow it goes?
Oh, I'm going to do my best toplay.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We'll see how that works.
Biggest problem is if we're ata course where we can't do a
shotgun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh sure.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
A shotgun.
It's not a problem reallyplaying because they just all go
out at the same time and theVillage this year has kind of
changed some of their rules,where you have to have like 84
players to do a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Without that you're going to do tee times, which
first of all makes for a longday for us, for sure.
Yes, otherwise.
So probably what I'll do isbecause my wife will be there
checking people in, so I willprobably go out in the first
couple of groups.
That way I get back so aspeople are coming in, because
before, how Jerry and I would doit is, he would go out in one
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of the first groups, I would geteverybody checked in and then
I'd go out.
Yeah, I'm usually in the Cflight, unless I suck, then I'm
down to do what on it?
D flighters don't suck, they'rejust different.
I would go out at the end then.
So, as the groups would come in, he would just give them their
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trophies and take pictures, andso it would be a little
different with, you know, mywife being there.
She's pretty good, she's helpedus before on the regular tour
check people in, so she knowshow to do it and she's pretty
efficient too, probably moreefficient than I am.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So, as a new director , do you have any goals that
you're trying to, you know,achieve in this first season?
You know you mentioned the 100members and obviously that's a
goal that we all shoot for, atvery least every year, but any
other things that you're tryingto accomplish this year.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I'm just trying to figure out ways and that's why I
like to talk to other directorstoo is ways to make the
tournaments fun that day.
You know what.
You know any ideas that peoplehave that can.
Just you know little extrathings.
I might try and throw in a fewdrawings for something.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Especially at the season opener.
I mean, right now we'reoffering anybody who signed up
for that early bird we're goingto do a drawing for a free
registration for the seasonopener.
Right free, free registrationfor the season opener, right,
but hopefully I'll have a few,you know, extra, extra funds to
uh, maybe buy a putter orsomething like that.
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Either raffle off or just have.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hey, if you're here, you sign up your name's in the
drawing, yeah, right, yeah, thatthat always draws a lot of
people, especially, you know,our major events is when we have
something big to give away, um,or even if the course I'd
really like to.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I mean, I'd like to have, I'd like to have at least,
you know, 50 people pertournament, every tournament.
Really would like to have more,Uh, but last year we averaged
about 50.
Sometimes we're a little lowerthan the senior, a little lower
than the senior Right.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, with all of the directors out there, you've got
a lot of resources for newideas and different things like
that Facts.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So last chance, you know, before we let you go for
the day, if you could just throwit out there, you know how you
would recruit a player orwhatnot.
What would you say to everybodywho is obviously, you know, 50
and over that can join thesenior tour to come and either
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visit your tour or even become amember?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, I think for me, first of all, it's a lot of fun
.
You meet a lot of great people.
You meet people all the timewhen you go to nationals.
You meet a lot of people.
But it's a great way to improveyour golf.
If you really want to getbetter at golf I mean if you're
just happy with being theweekend golfer then it's fine.
But if you really want to getbetter at golf, joining the
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senior tour or if anybody'slistening to this, who's younger
the regular tour, joiningeither one is a great way to get
better, because you know weplay them down, we put them out,
we play the rules.
But the other thing some peopleget a little nervous when they
hear that we play the rules.
So just a big emphasis toanybody listening is that we
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play the rules, but we're a fungroup too.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But that's how you get better, I think, is when
you're as my brother and Ialways say a golf hole is not
finished until the ball is inthe hole.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Unless you're a triple bogey.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And you'll get those new members that come in and say
, oh, we always pick up forgimme's.
It's like, well, not not today.
You're not not today.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know, I remember what one tournament, uh, you
know one guy he was, he was newand you know he was uh, I think
he was, he was his.
His tap in would have been fora six and you know, and so he
scoops it up and he says six andI'm going seven.
Yeah, he laughed.
I mean, he knew what.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
He knew what he did as soon as he did it right right
those are the fun times because, like you said, we we do follow
the rules, but it is fun and Ithink a lot of us know how to
joke around with oh yeah,unfortunately it is a penalty or
or things like you know, a dropthe way they dropped it.
Or or can I take out this bush?
Uh, things like that.
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I mean me and gabe deal withbushes over here in the desert.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't know, but you know it's especially at the
beginning of the season.
It's a learning experience.
So I agree, getting intocompetitive golf is a great way
to get improve your game, butalso learn the game.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we, we welcomeeverybody.
Come on, give it a try.
It's just a lot of fun, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well, vic, again thank you for joining.
Can't wait to see you at thedirector's meeting and see that
over 100 club for you You're.
You're neck and neck and neckwith the golf week tour.
I was just looking at it rightnow, so I'm going to be rooting
for you to get to 100 beforethem.
Maybe you run that same contestthat me and Gabe are running
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the first tour to 100 rafflesoff an entropy somewhere.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
What do you raffle off so?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Chris and I run a dual tour major championship
down in a place called Tubac,which is where they filmed some
of Tin Cup.
So we've got a challenge goingat the first tour to 100.
The other director covers anentry fee for that event.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So, good luck to you this season.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, likewise Great talking to both of you.
Have a good one.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
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Speaker 1 (22:39):
Gabe.
So first off, I almost calledyou Tim, but we, you know I
don't know if you've been payingattention but we've kind of
been having all the newdirectors on our podcast lately
and I just think it's prettycool.
I mean, you started off as oneof the fresh new directors in
town and really had no one closeto go to, and then when I
started I had you to kind oflean on and you know, as I got
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through it I had other newdirectors lean on me and I think
it's awesome to just have theseguys on here and ladies to uh
just talk about themselves andyou know people that are
listening.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Get to know them yeah , one of the things that's been
uh critical, I think, to the toour growth, is the fact that
directors are able to lean onone another.
You know recently, with theguys in Vegas and a bunch of new
guys that have come on in thelast handful of years, it's a
great base of guys to work offof, and so to be able to have
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guys to reach out to isdefinitely critical.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, and I mean you're about to have two new
guys over there in Arizona and Imean they got you in their back
pocket.
But I bet you they feel ascomfortable as ever to know they
have Vegas up there and theyhave El Paso, even though we're
rivals.
They have them right around thecorner.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Absolutely definitely .
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So let's move on, as we're starting the new season.
You started your tour.
I'm starting mine pretty soon.
I think Dallas is startingpretty soon as well.
Vegas already started.
California started like January1st.
It seemed like you know one ofthe guests that we have on
throughout the year.
He's always been on here, but Iknow you know Roger's rules and
(24:17):
he's been a great asset to thepodcast and the tour itself.
Um, so let's go ahead and bringin roger real quick.
Let me see if I can figure thisout.
Roger.
You there, I am here.
There you are, roger.
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Welcome back 2025 glad to be here.
Happy new year to everybody andall the listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Likewise, you know, at Nationals I got a bunch of
praise for having you on that.
You help so many golfers learnthe rules that they might not
even know, and even some ofthose special rules that we can
take advantage of every once ina while.
So I just wanted to give youthat heads up.
But how you been, you knowwhat's new for for 2025, rules
(25:04):
wise.
What do you got for us?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've been good.
I haven't played a whole lot ofgolf.
It's been pretty chilly on theEast Coast here, but I did get
out on Sunday, but anyhow.
So the rules only get revisedactually every four years, and
we all know, back in 2019 wasthe huge rules change, when
everything changed, and thenthere were a few back in 2023.
(25:25):
And really, for this year,there's not any real rules
changes, but there are a fewthings that are clarified and
there are a couple of thingsthat changed, but really,
whether we'll see these on ourtour or not, it could be very
rare.
So there are three really ingeneral, and I got them here.
There's the.
(25:47):
You know, when you damage yourclub during regular play and
it's not abuse, you are allowedto use the club as it is or you
can try to repair it or replaceit.
Well, there's a local rulethat's really only used at the
high levels, and this is onethat we probably won't see.
But it's whether it'ssignificantly damaged or not,
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whether a perfect really it'sreally done on the pro tours,
whether they can replace thatclub or not.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And what?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
happened last year.
I don't know if you all heardabout this, matt Patrick, he had
a crack in his club face.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah correct.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, and he was not allowed to replace it at the
time, but they changed that rulenow.
So they figure a crack in theclub and it was just a slight
crack, but they figured that'ssignificant and now they can
replace that club.
So that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I remember that one.
They took like 30 minutes justto get a rules official to
figure that one out.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Oh yeah, yeah.
But again, that's a local ruleand a lot of times I've always
said, prefaced my thing, that wedon't use.
You know, when I talk about therules I'm assuming there's no
local rule in place, so that'sprobably one.
Then another one is about theseyou know, these putters that
are self-standing putters.
You cannot use the self-standingputters to align or show the
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line of play for the wholeweather.
I've only seen one guy use oneof those so far, but it
basically that's another thingthey put in for this year and
it's it's really not a rule,it's just a clarification of
what you're allowed to do withthat club, okay so would that be
putting the self-standing clubin position and then kind of
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walking around it to make surethat it's lined up just the way
you want it to be?
exactly, yeah, just like that,yeah, line it, yeah, yeah, and
then that still won't help me.
Gave it off, that's still haveyou worked on your putting this
I?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
have, but I don't think self-standing yeah yeah,
it still needs a miracle right.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Um, then the.
There are a few more.
The other one is when is ascorecard?
Again, this is a lot of timesit has to do with the pros when
is the scorecard consideredreturned?
And you know, sometimes playersmay make a mistake.
They're still right by wherethey sign the cards and all that
, and maybe within five, oncethey leave that area it used to
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be.
Once they leave that area theycan't do anything about it, but
now there's a new rule where Ithink it's 15 minutes, they're
allowed to still make.
Somebody notices a change thiscame up with.
There's electronic scorecards,people could see that thing, or
maybe he did something wrong, sothey're allowed to correct it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It made more sense, just looked like a common thing
so that was a big thing at anamateur event earlier this year,
was it not?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I, I think it was yeah, that's yeah something, and
I know it happened on pro tourtoo, yeah, so yeah, that's crazy
um those.
Uh, there's also.
There's also a few other littleones, but I won't even get into
those.
So those are the three majorones, though, and and again,
even those being the major ones,they're.
They're little, but I won'teven get into those.
So those are the three majorones, though, and and again,
even those being the major ones,they're.
They're really not ruleschanges, they're just
clarifications of what can andcan't be done, right, and I just
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want to say, like so the youknow, this first podcast of the
year.
Hopefully we'll get a bunch ofnew people listening to this,
and this is going to sound,maybe it might sound silly, but
for for new golfers, what theyneed to know about our tour is
we play by the rules, like youknow and it might sound so like
obvious, but you know you swingand you miss this such an easy
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one.
We're going to count that.
You know, and I've seen ithappen.
You don't tap in your pot, you,you know.
Or you just tap it in anddoesn't go in.
You pick it.
Well, you're gonna, you have totap it, you have to finish the
hole out, just obvious stufflike that is what I think new
golfers need to know that ourtorque plays by the rules,
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except, you know, the triplebogey rule, except for the champ
flight.
So that that's.
It's just good to know.
And I think the new golfersthey need to download or
everybody really needs todownload the USGA app just so
that they have it.
So for reference, it's theeasiest way to get the rules and
easiest way to look somethingup.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Now, I was about to ask you for a simple resource,
but that's the perfect one forsure.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I mean whether you're a new member or not.
Don't be afraid to ask yourplaying partners if, if, uh, you
have a ruling and if you fourdon't know the answer, there's
always that two ball rule.
That right pretty sure mosttours um across the country play
, so play the two balls andfigure it out the end.
I always say 90 of the timeyou're gonna end up with the
same score anyways.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So it really won't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I am disappointed that if your ball's in a divot
in the fairway you don't get toroll it up because there's some
courses.
Man, it's like a landmine outthere, a landmine field.
You're going to end up indivots left and right, right, I
mean, like I said, with usplaying or starting to play.
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Now you know we do run into alot of winter golf, right um,
and with winter golf I know I doit.
uh, gave done a couple times forsure we do lift clean place
right, um, especially if it is acourse where there are a bunch
of divots and it's just thegrass isn't growing.
Yeah, I would hope me and gabewould know how to explain lift
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clean place.
But uh, give us yourinterpretation on that.
Um, you know, sometimes it's aclub lane, sometimes it's a
score card.
Um, that was the big thing.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
So I was gonna say, like for new player, always be
sure to listen to theannouncements before the
tournament start.
I know our tour director lyle,he makes, but people in the back
they're not listening and andwhat happens is just exactly
what you're saying.
He might say it's a scorecardlength, or he might say it's a
club length and people are like,well, what they get out to the
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course and they don't know.
And they got to call, theyactually call they'll call me
because they got my cell, orthey'll call Lyle or they'll,
you know, ask the group behindthem.
So yeah, so for lift clean inplace, first of all it has to be
announced, that has to be inplace.
It's not, you know, it's notjust because you're out there
and it's raining or it's badconditions.
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What we've done on our tour alot of times is, if it's cart
path only, then Lyle calls itlift clean in place.
That's often what it is, justbecause the only reason it's
cart path only is because theconditions are bad.
But not always, but sometimesit's even more than that Makes
sense.
So you lift, clean and place,and then also, with regard to
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whether it's a club length or ascorecard or what it is, what
area of the course are youallowed to do it in?
You can impose a local rule thatit's only cut to fairway height
or less or you could do it inthe general area, which means
like through the green, likewhether it's in the rough, it's
in the short grass, it's in.
Well, we won't talk aboutbunkers, but you know, anywhere
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can you lift, clean in place andbasically you should mark your
ball.
But it's not required that youmark your ball, but in order to
get that scorecard length or oneclub length, it's probably
great idea to mark the ball,lift it, clean it however you
like and then you would placethe ball within one club length
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or one scorecard um.
And it's up to the tourdirector whether they want to
use and it doesn't have to be ascorecard or a club length.
It could be whatever he couldsay one foot or whatever it is
but scorecard is an easy way todo it, Right.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And just to clarify you said place, not drop.
No one hand behind the backtype of thing you can place it.
The reason I bring it up upbecause I get these questions
and, like you said and I'mpretty sure gabe gabe can can
attest to this you know we dothe rules, we do the best job we
can to announce it as loud aswe can.
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And the second we get to thatfirst tee box, especially us
playing directors.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You get that text message hey, we do lifting plays
Home calls for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Really.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Yep, definitely Yep.
Beginning of the season.
There's so many questions likethat, yep.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Roger, you hit on something a little bit earlier
that I think across the tour issomething that we should really
encourage, particularly at thebeginning of the season, and
that is to be comfortable enoughto ask your playing partners
for information if you're notsure about a particular ruling,
a drop or relief or whatever itmay be.
A lot of these guys have playedfor a handful or several years
(34:37):
and have a pretty goodunderstanding.
But then, like Chris mentioned,there is that two-ball rule if
you guys can't come to anagreement.
But the idea is not just tocreate a really nice competitive
environment to play golf, butto also learn the game and be
able to, you know, glean off ofthe guys that are around you,
because you can learn fromanybody.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
For sure.
Yes, yeah, that's definitely.
And you can't feel like youknow, if somebody says something
, don't feel like they're tryingto get at you or something.
They're just trying to teachyou something, or you know,
maybe help you out, even giveyou something that might help
out your, your you know, notadvice.
You know I'm not talking aboutadvice, but the right, the right
, right, right way to proceed.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
But there are some.
There are some rulings orrelief options that are actually
a benefit that, if you know, ifthey're trying to help you out
with that, it would be prettywise to listen.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh yeah, if they're trying to help you out with that
, it would be pretty wise tolisten.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I was going to mentionlike knowing the definitions is,
as a new golfer or new to thetour, is very important too.
The definitions of things likewhat is a penalty area, and you
know what does that mean and howdoes that affect you.
You know what is ground underrepair, these type of things,
because what you can do and youmay get free relief versus not
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free relief, you may getpenalized one stroke versus two,
and knowing the definitions andthe rules of golf are really, I
would say, for a golfer thatgets the USG app, they can go
through all the rules, but thefirst thing they should do is
just go through the definitionsto learn what things mean within
the rules.
For sure.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, and I mean you know, if we do bring up the play
two balls regardless, mark yourgolf ball and make it clear so
people know.
And if you are going to playtwo balls, make sure that they
have different marks as well ordifferent numbers or something,
so you don't have that confusion.
You know if you, if you hityour ball and then you hit a
provisional ball and you're like, oh wait, they both were number
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two.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Which one's, which you know.
We got to go with theprovisional ball.
Yeah, we, we see it happen allthe time and and you, that's not
the fun part to have to givethem that information.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Definitely, not Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So, chris, you had asked me like a definition about
you know, these playingconditions in the beginning of
the year, wet and soft, aboutembedded ball, yep, so an
embedded ball is when theportion of the ball is below the
ground, of the surface of theground, and whether that ball is
you know.
Sometimes you can look at aball and you can just tell that
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it's embedded.
Other times you know it's goingto, you are allowed to lift and
move, check out to see if thatball is embedded.
So once you determine if it isembedded, what is the procedure?
So the procedure is you findthe place directly behind where
it's embedded and then you'reallowed a one club length drop
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from that spot.
So embedded balls happen a lotin the spring in this bad
weather that we're having.
So that is the embedded ballprocedure.
You find the spot right behindit and you get one club length
of relief from that spot and youdrop the ball.
You don't place it and you canclean the ball as well?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
yeah, okay with that.
Does it have to be the completeball?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
half the ball breaks the surface any, any part of the
ball that breaks the, what theycall it, and it's really nice,
like I said that, uh, the app,it shows you three different
pictures one with the ball justsitting on top of the grass, one
with it just breaking the planeof the, the, the ground, let's
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say the, the dirt, and then onewith it totally embedded and
they show you how that is so,just at any part of that ball
doesn't have to be more thanhalf, like some are like.
Is it just touching theout-of-bounds stake or just
touching the penalty area stake?
This one, as long as any partof it is below the surface, it's
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considered embedded.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Got you.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Let me give you this situation because it actually
happened to me and I was prettyshocked.
So hit the drive right, wethink we know where it went.
We go and look and sure enoughit's.
We can't find it.
So in the area that we think Iwent, drop a ball, lost ball,
all that good stuff.
And we drive a little bitforward and we see the ball
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embedded.
It was like three-fourthsembedded in there.
How do you feel that could havebeen different?
If that is the case, could wehave said that that was a
provisional ball until we get towhere we're out of range of
where it could be?
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
on that?
So did you say you dropped aball because you didn't find it
and it was embedded?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Correct, we dropped the ball because we couldn't
find it, so we took.
We took the stroke and distanceand then, as we drove forward a
little bit more, we found theball embedded after already hit
that.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Okay, If you'd already put the other ball in
play right.
It.
Um, sorry, there's nothing youcan do at that point.
Now, if you had dropped, if youhad done something, hadn't
played that ball and your threeminutes wasn't up, it's.
It has to do with the timingand whether you had put that
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other ball in play or not.
And, yeah, that's a, that's atough one, because it reminds me
of yeah, you just you putanother ball in play, maybe
because it was in a penalty area.
You drive up and you find yourball two minutes later.
I mean, yeah, within that ball,it's, it's, it's a, that's a
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tough one.
That's yeah, that your ball isnow out of play.
The original ball is out ofplay and you have to play the
one you dropped because you'vealready put it in play yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's that hard pill you have to
swallow at the end of the day.
But I was just curious, sincewe're talking about it and you
know it might happen out there.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
And you drive up and you're like no, I found my ball
here here.
It's halfway in the dirt.
Yeah, that's, that's a toughone.
Yeah, um, another one.
I was thinking about, uh, forthis time of year and actually I
played on sunday and here invirginia beach, it was about it
was 40 and sunny and in the sunit felt great.
I didn't even have a coat on, Ihad a turtleneck on, but where
the trees hadn't the two trees,there was still some snow.
We had some snow here two weeks, about a week ago, but on
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Sunday you could play golf andthe course was actually pretty
busy.
But snow and ice, what are theyconsidered?
So we're playing our firstTidewater Tour event on February
8th up in Williamsburg andthere could be some snow or ice
on the course and if that's thecase, you can treat snow and ice
as temporary water and you getfree relief from that area.
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So out here on the east that'sabnormal course condition,
that's what that's called, andif your ball ends up there,
you're allowed to treat that astemporary water and get free
relief on the closest spot.
No, closer to the hole, ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Roger, I got a question.
This is one that does happenkind of often and I've heard
11,000 different ways ofinterpreting it, so hopefully
this won't take too much time.
I think it's pretty cut and dry, but it's a pretty common thing
.
Right around the edges of thegreen, when you're just on the
fringe, if you're right behind asprinkler head and your
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preferred would be to prefer,would your your preferred play
would be to put the ball, butthe sprinkler heads are in the
way.
Do you get relief from that?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
so there's a local rule the ball and the sprinkler
head have to be within two clublengths.
Uh yeah, two clubs.
If the local rule is in play,then you get relief.
If not, you just have to playit as it lies, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And I heard and understood the two club lengths
and I wanted to make sure thatthat was correct.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Yeah, and both the sprinkler head and the ball have
to be within that two clublengths.
Yep Gotcha.
So yep yeah, because, like,let's say, the sprinkler head is
within, you know, it's a yardoff the green, but your ball is
four yards back, right, and thatwouldn't count.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Right.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Wouldn't be able to apply it, but both of them.
And they do just the tournament.
This past weekend on tour I sawthat happen and a guy got
relief, free relief because theydo employ that rule on tour.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So that would be something that we would have to
put into play.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah, I don't know in our tour manual if that's in
there or not.
I don't think it is.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I'll make note.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll make note and send it to the uppers.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Gabe, it's funny you say that because it comes up a
lot for us too.
Yes, guys think, oh, they getautomatically, get relief, but
more more so it's when just onthe line of play like the four
yard thing that I was talkingabout they think, oh, that
sprinkled heads in my.
It's like sorry, that's not thecase you're right, gotcha yeah
work on the chipping game.
Absolutely Jeez.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That Texas wedge sometimes comes in handy over
here.
Right, right Roger any lastthings that you might think you
want to bring up or any tips forour new members.
Me personally, I've had a lotof new members come up thanks to
our challenge that me andarizona have, um, which is
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awesome, but also we have toremind them hey, we, we, we're
not your sunday group that comesout in plays right we.
We play everything to the t?
Uh minus the triple bogey maxrule, so anything that you can
think of that might help out.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
Yeah, just that.
Don't think of and I've saidthis before don't think of the
rules as to penalize you.
Try to think of the rules.
Like David mentioned too, thereare a lot of things that rules
can do to help you out too.
So learning the rules can helpyou as well as and I'll give you
an example the whole back onthe line, relief.
A lot of people think, likewith a red penalty area, they're
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thinking well, all I get is thetwo club lengths.
Well, I could use the back onthe line relief and this is just
one example.
If you have a favorite club andyou hit your your gap wedge 85
yards every time, you could usethat back on the line relief to
drop it right at 85 yards andyou've got yourself the best
shot that you you feelcomfortable with.
So just thinking you know,don't always think of the rules
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to penalize yeah absolutely yeah, I use that all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, I don't, I don't want to hear anything from
from gabe when I go play inarizona because I'd be he's like
you're 110 out.
No, I'm going to 150 because my7-iron 150 is smooth as butter.
We're going with that one.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Like butter, I like it.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
The only problem, chris, is you usually have about
eight or nine of those around,so that's the problem.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, Roger, we appreciate you coming on.
Thank you for taking some timeAbsolutely.
We can't wait to see what comesthroughout the year and some
time, um, we can't wait to seewhat comes throughout the year,
um, and, like I said, everybodyloves it when you're on.
Uh, so you better keep yourmaterial fresh, because they're
listening and they love it.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I appreciate it, guys .
Yeah, I love doing this and Iappreciate your uh support with
this as well.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Good luck this year and we'll talk soon, okay.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
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Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know, like I told roger, it was crazy.
It's been a crazy experience tohave people come up to you at
like regionals and nationals andsay, hey, you're the podcast
guy.
But it is kind of sad when,when you say, hey, you're the
podcast guy, but I really lovethe rules segment you guys have,
and it's like, wow, peoplereally love the rules of golf.
It's okay, um, but it's greatto have him on because the guy
(47:01):
is a smart guy, especially whenit comes to golf.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and the players really want to learn the game.
And you know, when we firststarted the El Paso tour I think
you were around already at thatpoint but we actually did a
couple of rules seminars beforeour very first event.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know it's actually something that I wish.
Uh, we would take the time asdirectors to try to put together
more often, particularly fornew members.
You know, use it as a, as arecruiting tool, as you're, you
know, holding a little seminarwith rules guy, going over
different things, so thatplayers are comfortable asking
questions during the rounds whenthey first to get started,
because jumping from playingwith your buddies to competitive
rounds of golf is a big change.
There's already a level ofdiscomfort with that, so the
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more comfortable we can makeplayers as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I think it's better for them For sure, and I mean
there's so many rules I think.
Besides Roger, I don't thinkanybody else will memorize all
the rules, not even the tourplayers, unless they're trying
to weasel their way out ofgetting a free drop or something
.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
There's a handful of things they know a little bit
more than maybe they do right um, but it doesn't hurt to have
the app on on your device now.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Um I know gina when I went to her regional she had
stacks of the rules book thatshe gives to her members anybody
who wants one to give them arules book, and I, I think
that's you know it's a tool thatwe can use to, like you said,
grow the game, because that'swhat we're here for to help grow
the game in a competitivestandpoint.
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it's not a charity event, it'snot.
You know, we're going out thereplaying with our friends, like
it is competitive, and we all goout there to try and win, but
at the end of the day, we wantto grow the game Exactly.
It's great to have him on.
There's some of those rules Ishould have probably enforced at
the Ryder Cup, but that'sneither here nor there you host
(48:53):
a Ryder.
Cup.
Yeah, I know, you have it rightthere, dude.
I know we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I'm glad you didn't put the score on there yet,
though I appreciate that.
I didn't have enough inkbecause there's some big numbers
.
You know, last episode, tim hadto bring that up and he asked
how it went.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Did you change the subject room quickly?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I tried to, I really did, but but you know, I it's
just fun, dude, it's fun, and Iwish we could do it once a month
, because that's how much fun itis.
Um, but I want to, I want tothrow you under the bus real
quick because, okay, um, youknow, we had this conversation
and then, uh, out of the blue,I'm gonna say my cart was
(49:42):
amazing.
Uh, it was great on on day onewhen the sun was going down,
because apparently people werefollowing me with the lights on.
I didn't even know.
Yeah, but uh, then you startsending me pictures of the belt
randomly and, uh, that that'swhat team competition is all
about, because, uh, I, I myself,when I go visit you guys wear
(50:04):
it proudly like a wwe wrestler.
Um, and now I gotta pay my duesand I'm not looking forward to
it's, it's got a name, it's it'sthe, the year-long chris rocha
torture tour.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Um so, any event, every, uh, every post that we do
, you know, look in the cornersof the pictures that you see,
and you're probably going to seethe belts work around.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
So that's that, you've challenge accepted,
challenge accepted.
But uh, tell me, you know,after this episode drops, you've
already had your first event atSahuaro.
You know it's a great time.
I know you know we have DanielWigg and Jordan Isaac that are
kind of taking, you know takingthe reins now.
(50:48):
But how do you feel thisseason's looking for you, any
exciting events that you have onthe schedule that you kind of
want to promote?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now's your time, my friend.
Yeah, you know.
So, for us, the, the, the thingfor us that we've, you know,
focused on or has been a big, abig point for us for years now.
I think we're going on four orfive years in a row now where
we've been the lead and we wantto keep it, and that's the
fundraising for for the vfoundation.
Right, umically, we had to makea change in the date of our
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first event of the season and Idon't know if it was one of
those fate kismet whatever termyou prefer to use but all of our
fundraising, we make donationsin the name of two former
members, roger Tamietti and SeanDowns, who we lost the day
before our kickoff event lastyear and, ironically, because of
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the date change that wasrequired.
It wasn't something that weplanned, it was just a
scheduling conflict that causedus to move our start date, you
know, back a day to the 19th.
It was actually the one the oneyear anniversary of Sean's
passing, and so you know the,the focus for us, while we have
some great events, like our dualtour event that you and I do
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together, um in two back, whichis one of our big fundraising
events, as well as the regionaland a couple of new um, a major
championship championships thatwe have, one in Sedona stands
out for us.
The fundraising is where it'sat for us, and so we use the
anniversary as a launching pointfor our fundraising for this
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year and we're going tochallenge anyone and everyone
that's listening to join us andtry to make as much of an impact
as the Golf Week Amateur Touras a whole can make, not just
this year but every year movingforward.
We'll be sharing some stuff andwe hope that other tours will
join us in what we do, but forus, while we have some great
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events, the fundraising for usis the big thing.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, definitely, and you do a great job.
It's shown year after year,thank you, and you do a great
job.
It's shown year after year.
Um, thank you, but I mean it'sjust, you know, one of my
favorite events aside from myschedule okay, any of my
listeners listening aside fromour schedule is our tubac event.
Uh, one, because you know it ismiddle of the season, right?
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um, some of the guys may havenot seen their arizona friends
sensual rider cup so it's agreat time to uh to get together
, and you're at a resort wherethere's literally nothing to do
but hang out yeah you know,after the round you're either
hanging out on the patio oryou're walking your dog and you
see x, y and z on the patio andhey, come for a beer or a drink,
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or hector's got his tequilabottle somewhere.
Um, are you supposed to or not?
Whether you're supposed to ornot, uh, yeah, it's a great time
and uh, anybody that's lookingto to play a major outside of
their tour I would, that'd beone.
I definitely recommend uh, butthen you the, the history of it
too.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
You know they filmed tin cup there and right, of
course, the the the resort takesoutstanding care of us, um, and
you know they filmed tin cupthere and, of course, the, the,
the resort, takes outstandingcare of us.
Um, and you know, one of thethings that you see at this
event, um, that you don't see, Ithink for the most part, is
it's a, it's a real familyenvironment, um, after the
rounds are done, or you knowwhen dinner's done, or whatever
it may be, you've got kidsrunning around.
(54:16):
You know playing around where,where the cows are and you dogs
and all of that good stuff.
I mean it, the vibe in thatplace is different than anything
else that we do all season long.
Um, the competition is is fierce.
We've had playoffs the lasthandful of years and and 70, 80,
a hundred players at that eventevery year, um, but but the
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reality of it is is that that'sreally a time to decompress.
It's a weekend where everybodyseems to decompress, kind of
rejuvenate and get ready for the, the final stretch of the
season, as we get ready for, youknow, season finales and
national championships and allthat good stuff, I mean, and
then you have, you have tpcright around the corner, which
is still one of the biggerevents, bigger, bigger regionals
in the country, and I mean youput a top-notch show.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
I appreciate that.
I mean, you guys run it likecrazy and I know I help a little
bit with scoring, but that hasnothing to do with the
background stuff that you guyshave to do and the fundraiser
that you do there.
I mean it's one of a kind butwe have great partners.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
You're one of them and your entire crew and all of
the group that you bring with us.
You know to us.
But again, when the focus is ontrying to put ourselves in a
position where we're helping asmuch as we possibly can, it's
amazing how well our groups cometogether to reach goals that
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we've set, and we've set moregoals this year and we hope to
meet them.
But you know anybody that comesaround, anybody that comes to
our tours, they're excited tohelp, they love what we do and
they jump in and help out asmuch as they possibly can, and I
think that's what our entirenational tour is all about.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Right, definitely.
Lastly, you know you just cameback from the Vegas regional.
I did Did see your scores andyou know everybody's score was
high.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
It happens in Vegas.
States of Vegas.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
With 50 mile an hour winds.
Yeah, it should stay in Vegasfrom what I hear, um, but I want
to ask you because I know youunderstand what was worse that
one or my Red Hawk event acouple years.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Oh, it wasn't even close.
Red Hawk I mean anybody that'sever played with me knows that
that I hit a pretty good draw,especially off the tee and when
you're when you're aiming forthe as a left-hander, when
you're aiming for the right sideof the fairway and trying to
hit a big hook and it's stillgetting pushed all the way
across the left side of thefairway.
(56:47):
Nothing compares to that.
Um, it was cold.
The wind was blowing 40 or 50miles an hour constantly, with
gusts bigger than that.
Uh, what we had in vegas thispast weekend I will take every
day of the week and twice onsunday I mean, but it was, it
was close competition all theway to the end in all the flight
(57:08):
.
We're, we're, we're, gladdenedfor punishment, but I remember
that event vividly and it was ablast yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I was watching from from home and and man, it was
nail-biting the last four holes.
And then I know B-Flight wentinto a three-player playoff.
One of my guys had a chance towin and we could have gone two
out of the three, but I think helost on the second hole or
something.
And then we got our C-Flighterto win, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Arizona took a couple home as well.
So, yeah, no, but but greatcompetition, great camaraderie,
good.
We did some fundraising thereas well for the V Foundation.
That turned out well.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
All in all, great weekends it's a great way to
kick off the season for sure forus west coasters, because I
mean it would be nice to go andplay Harbortown, but that's too
cold for me.
That's way too cold.
Well, bud, I appreciate youbeing my co-host this episode.
We'll definitely have to makeit or do it again sometime this
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season, because it was a lot offun.
Great time for sure next timeyou don't have to shave.
Okay, I can tell you it's afresh shave on there, but you
don't have to do that just onthe sides.
This is a little stubby here,but yeah, is it the gray hair or
what?
Speaker 2 (58:24):
There's.
There's more than a couple ofgray hairs in there.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, but I you know I can't wait to go out there and
see you.
But good luck this season andkeep that belt warm because it's
coming back to daddy prettysoon.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Looking forward to it right thank you so much.
I appreciate you, my friendlikewise you.
Welcome everybody to the next episode of the podcast.
As you can tell if you'rewatching or listening, usually I
don't give the intro for thepodcast, but Tim's not able to
join us this episode.
So I was asked to pick aspecial co-host for this event
and there are so many choicesthat I was able to pick from.
(00:23):
Were so many choices that I wasable to pick from, uh?
But I knew, you know that everyyear it seems like I, at the
beginning of the year, I do anepisode by myself and, uh, every
year I ask, uh, my good friend,to join in, um this episode.
So, uh, when I had to get afull co-host for the full 45
(00:44):
minutes to an hour, you're goingto listen to us.
I knew exactly who to pick, sowe're going to bring him in
right now, especially if you'rewatching.
But he's a great director, youknow, director of the year, top
contributor to the TaviFoundation year after year, one
of the bigger regionals that wehave year after year to the Tavi
(01:05):
Foundation year after year, oneof the bigger regionals that we
have year after year, and mydear friend who has guided me
through becoming a director.
So definitely want to bring himon.
We're going to go ahead and dothat right now.
There he is, mr Gabe Garcia,arizona director.
Gabe, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Chris, how are you doing, my friend?
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm doing great.
Thank you for coming on being aco-host with me.
We have a great episode.
We're going to bring on anotherdirector to talk about his
season coming up, and then we'vegot a return of the rules with
Roger's Rules, which people havebeen excited to hear from.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
uh, I can't believe people are excited to hear about
the rules of golf, but uh,they're asking for it hey, man,
anything that you can, anyinformation you can get to get
an advantage out on the course,I think anybody that is looking
for that opportunity, so morethe better true, we we've talked
before how you know rules canbe an advantage as well as
sometimes a disadvantage,especially if somebody knows it
(02:09):
and you don't know and it justblindsides you.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We need to check to see if there's a rule on lights
on the carts so I can penalizeyou all next time, but that's a
story for another day.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think it's a story that needs to be told, though
It'll be told.
It's always told for anotherday.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I think it's a story that needs to be told, though
It'll be told.
It's always told, trust me, butlet's get this episode started.
How do you feel about that?
I'm excited, let's do it Allright, let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Ladies and gentlemen, golf Week Amateur Tour proudly
presents Golf Week Amateur Tour,the podcast Talking about all
things Golf Week Amateur Tour,including interviews with tour
directors, players and courseprofessionals.
Now here are your hosts, timNewman and El Paso Las Cruces
tour director, chris Rocha Allright, gabe, so this is going to
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be your first guest as theco-host.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I hope you're excited and you know, like we mentioned
before, we're trying to get allthese new directors.
We have a lot actually I don'tknow if you're aware of how many
we have.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, a lot of new ones are coming in, both tours,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, there is quite a bit, so we kind of want to put
a face and a voice you know incase they're not watching the
video format to who their tourdirector is going to be.
So, without further ado, wehave there.
He is Vic Werner, the newdirector of the Senior Arkansas
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Tour.
Sir, how are you doing today?
I'm doing all right.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Good to be here Morning.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Dave Morning.
Dave Chris, happy New Year.
Well, appreciate you takingsome time.
You know, unfortunately Timcouldn't be with us, but my
mentor, mr Gabe Garcia, is hereas my co-host.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Don't humble that against him, Vic.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Vic, we just really want to get to know you.
You know, congratulations,welcome to the group of
directors.
I would say elite group, but um, you know there's there's some
that that would say otherwise.
But uh, you know, welcome.
Like um, you know we have a lotof of listeners, especially in
your area, and let them know totell them who, who mr vick is
(04:43):
and who's taking over their tour.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well, I've been playing on the regular tour on
the I don't even know what youcall it, I guess the Golf Week
tour Since 2013,.
It started here in Arkansas in2012.
I started in 2013,.
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Started in the C flight, tryingto stay in the C flight but
been playing badly and movingdown to the c flight trying to
stay in the c flight but beenplaying badly, moving down to
the d flight, but anyway.
Uh started out, uh got to knowjerry hamashak, the tour
director there, and became hisassistant in my second year,
helping him out.
Uh, and then, uh, two years agowe decided to start the senior
tour and at first jerry wasrunning that when I was still
his assistant.
(05:27):
But as I was telling Gabepre-show, I said he had a couple
of new grandkids.
He had two, his only two.
They're twin girls and he justhas to spend a lot of time.
We originally started doing thetournaments on the same weekend
as the regular tour, just on aMonday.
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Usually A lot of peoplecouldn't come and partly it was
because he couldn't be gone fourweekends out of the year.
My wife is helping me this year, so we're still together on the
weekends doing golf week stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Hey and you bring that up, but we've talked about
it before me and Tim, when thespouses are involved, whether
it's on event day or leading upto event day, it's better.
It's a better experience for usas directors because we know
that we have that support.
(06:26):
You know, I know, like, forinstance, gabe at TPC, his whole
clan helps him.
I mean he's got eight peoplethat help him.
You know my wife.
She may not be at the eventsbut leading up to it she's
helped me cut score cards andcart signs and making sure
everything's packed ready to go.
So it's always a good help tohave them around to help us out.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So, Vic, having been, I guess, the assistant for
Jerry for a while, how do youthink that's going to help you
as you get started with takingover the tour yourself?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, it helps me learn how the tournaments run
and how we run them, and sothat's definitely been a help.
It's also helped because I gotto know.
I get to know all the guys andthe ladies we have some ladies
in there too, but I get to knoweverybody.
They get to know me.
Some of them know me betterthan they know Jerry, but some
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of it depends too, becauseJerry's been an A-B flighter so
he got to know the higherflights and I tended to know the
C-D folks a little bit better.
But I've really gotten to knoweverybody pretty much.
So that's been helpful to helphim and get to know people.
Like I said earlier, I lookafter the website, the content,
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so I get to see people's names.
Anytime After the tournaments Itake the pictures.
We do a slideshow of winners onour website so I put the
slideshow together.
Yeah, tournament day doesn'tend with the tournament.
I'm usually working especiallywith two, having to put two
slideshows.
That got exciting.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, we all know that one.
Everybody thinks as soon as theuh yeah as soon as the scoring
is complete, that everybody'sday is just done and over with
and go home and relax.
And that's not.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's certainly the case so are you still helping
him with the golf week one aswell?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
yes, yep, yeah, I that.
That was one one.
One of his requirements forgetting rid of it is that I
continue to help him with thatAgain, because I mean, I'm the
more of the, even though my mydegree, my day job, is not in
technology.
I love technology and I'vealways, so I'm basically his
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tech helper, or you know anyanything technological.
I'm there for that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Do you have a lot of crossover between the two tours?
A lot of guys plan both.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
We do.
We have a fair amount, and Iwas thinking about this the
other day.
I think I need to check and seewho is crossing over.
Still.
We have a few that have justdecided to focus on the senior,
but then we still do have somecrossover.
So I'm not sure I haven't gonein to see how many people Right
now we're running about neck andneck on, you know new members
(09:12):
or memberships.
That's great.
He's a couple ahead of me.
We kind of joke around aboutwho's ahead of who.
Last year we had on the seniortour for our second year.
We had 93, I think, and he had150 or so, maybe more, I don't
know the exact number, but hehad quite a few.
(09:34):
And again, as you know, somepeople start to play a few
tournaments and you don't seethem again.
Sure, I mean 93 is still a goodnumber.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Solid him again, but sure, right, but I mean, 93 is
still a good number solid.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I'm hoping to hit that 100 mark before the.
Uh, you know I got to go to thedirector's meeting in hilton
head as a new new director, sosee all those little awards they
give out, and you know.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So it's kind of kind of cool to watch that oh yeah,
it's always a good time.
So your, your season starts,from what I'm looking here,
starts in march, yeah, kind ofkind of mid and march.
Um, any courses on there thatyou know are like hey, you do
not want to miss this event,don't?
You know?
Whether it's a major or asingle day, this is one of the
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one or two that you do not wantto miss for any reason.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, for us, you know, we have the advantage.
We have the Hot Springs Village, which is a retirement
community.
It has eight golf courses thereand they're all in great shape
Always.
You know, we have people comefrom other tours that say we
come up to play Columbia AirVans because this is the nicest
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course we play all year.
Some of our folks have evensaid that, uh, depending on what
course they played in hiltonhead, the village courses are
just as nice as those.
So, uh, anything in the villageis a is a don't miss.
So we start out in the villageour season opener.
It's.
It's a two-day event.
Originally started as a one-dayevent but because of some
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scheduling issues it ended upbeing a two-day event to start
out.
But the other course probablyon the schedule is Diamante.
Nobody in this area wants tomiss Diamante.
Diamante is in the village butit's a private course and it's
always in great shape, just agorgeous course.
So I really want to be DiamanteRight now I'm kind of trying to
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connect with.
I've got one date to fill aMonday.
Well, it could be a Saturday,but try to get a Monday private
club and we were scheduled toplay there on Eclipse Day so it
got canceled because of EclipseNot that the Eclipse lasts a
long time, but it got canceled.
That and partly because thatparticular course was getting
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ready to host the Simmons BankChampionship for the Champions
Tour of the PGA.
They have a contract for thenext five years and so we're
hoping to get back.
I'd love to be able to get onthere again with, like I said,
we were scheduled, but I'm, meand the head pro are having a
hard time connecting.
(12:11):
Don't know if he even has thatdate available, but that that
would be.
Yeah, and that course I Ivolunteered at the tournament.
It's just in gorgeous shape.
I've played it before, but itwas just in absolute gorgeous
plate shape for the pros.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Just let them know that the only fee that you
charge for volunteering is thatthey allow you to hold a single
day in there.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Should get you in without any problems, right?
Yeah, that's a good try, but no, I mean, I'm looking at it.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That is pretty cool to have just one village with
all these courses that you canreally knock out half your
schedule in yeah and I don'thave as many on my schedule, as
jerry has on his this year,because I grabbed a couple of
newer courses that we hadn'tplayed before.
There's one, uh, river oak, upin cersei, which is a new course
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, uh, for us, uh we have.
The advantage in the seniortour is we can pick some courses
that have shorter yardages thatthey can't do on the golf week
Around.
Here we call that the open tour.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Are you and Jerry working together to kind of
coordinate the schedule so theguys that do crossover have the
opportunity to play as much aspossible?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, we do A couple couple of weekends.
We decided, if it was the samecourse, we would do a saturday
sunday event.
He'd do the saturday, I do thesunday, so that might give us
another weekend off for sure inthat month rather than being
alternate.
But yeah, we've tried prettymuch to do alternate weekends on
most months.
So it's's, it's worked out Okay.
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It's like early in the seasonhe set his dates.
Kind of he has seniority, heset his dates first and I kind
of went into in in between thosedates.
But yeah, worked out prettygood.
We we get along well and youknow, and he's always been uh
good to teach me the ropes butalso, uh, you know, takes, takes
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good care of me good right, andyour events are usually mondays
or saturdays they are now uh,more I think we have.
The only time we do a mondayevent now is if it's a private
club, and that's the only timethey're open.
So I think I have three, maybefour.
If I get pleasant valley Ithink that might be four, but a
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lot of the rest are saturday orif it's a two-day, usually a
saturday, sunday good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I do have to ask.
I keep looking at it, thattrophy behind you.
I know you put it there for areason.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, that was 2015?
I don't remember what it washere.
Yeah, Sea Flight winner.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right 2015,.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Isabella, one of the tour finals, I think.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Very cool.
Bragging rights is always agood thing, huh, chris, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I bring them here to the office.
I mean, if you looked at theother side of my office, I've
got anything I've won, whichhasn't well.
Actually I was going to say ithasn't been in a while, but I
did go to Nashville last year inthe D flight in seniors and won
Nashville by scoring much lowerthan I've ever scored
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Sandbagger.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, let me ask you this, then you know, because you
are a player as well Are youplanning on being the few
director players, or are youjust going to be director for
this first year and kind of seehow it goes?
Oh, I'm going to do my best toplay.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We'll see how that works.
Biggest problem is if we're ata course where we can't do a
shotgun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh sure.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
A shotgun.
It's not a problem reallyplaying because they just all go
out at the same time and theVillage this year has kind of
changed some of their rules,where you have to have like 84
players to do a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Without that you're going to do tee times, which
first of all makes for a longday for us, for sure.
Yes, otherwise.
So probably what I'll do isbecause my wife will be there
checking people in, so I willprobably go out in the first
couple of groups.
That way I get back so aspeople are coming in, because
before, how Jerry and I would doit is, he would go out in one
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of the first groups, I would geteverybody checked in and then
I'd go out.
Yeah, I'm usually in the Cflight, unless I suck, then I'm
down to do what on it?
D flighters don't suck, they'rejust different.
I would go out at the end then.
So, as the groups would come in, he would just give them their
(16:52):
trophies and take pictures, andso it would be a little
different with, you know, mywife being there.
She's pretty good, she's helpedus before on the regular tour
check people in, so she knowshow to do it and she's pretty
efficient too, probably moreefficient than I am.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So, as a new director , do you have any goals that
you're trying to, you know,achieve in this first season?
You know you mentioned the 100members and obviously that's a
goal that we all shoot for, atvery least every year, but any
other things that you're tryingto accomplish this year.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I'm just trying to figure out ways and that's why I
like to talk to other directorstoo is ways to make the
tournaments fun that day.
You know what.
You know any ideas that peoplehave that can.
Just you know little extrathings.
I might try and throw in a fewdrawings for something.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Especially at the season opener.
I mean, right now we'reoffering anybody who signed up
for that early bird we're goingto do a drawing for a free
registration for the seasonopener.
Right free, free registrationfor the season opener, right,
but hopefully I'll have a few,you know, extra, extra funds to
uh, maybe buy a putter orsomething like that.
(18:08):
Either raffle off or just have.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hey, if you're here, you sign up your name's in the
drawing, yeah, right, yeah, thatthat always draws a lot of
people, especially, you know,our major events is when we have
something big to give away, um,or even if the course I'd
really like to.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I mean, I'd like to have, I'd like to have at least,
you know, 50 people pertournament, every tournament.
Really would like to have more,Uh, but last year we averaged
about 50.
Sometimes we're a little lowerthan the senior, a little lower
than the senior Right.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Well, with all of the directors out there, you've got
a lot of resources for newideas and different things like
that Facts.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So last chance, you know, before we let you go for
the day, if you could just throwit out there, you know how you
would recruit a player orwhatnot.
What would you say to everybodywho is obviously, you know, 50
and over that can join thesenior tour to come and either
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visit your tour or even become amember?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, I think for me, first of all, it's a lot of fun
.
You meet a lot of great people.
You meet people all the timewhen you go to nationals.
You meet a lot of people.
But it's a great way to improveyour golf.
If you really want to getbetter at golf I mean if you're
just happy with being theweekend golfer then it's fine.
But if you really want to getbetter at golf, joining the
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senior tour or if anybody'slistening to this, who's younger
the regular tour, joiningeither one is a great way to get
better, because you know weplay them down, we put them out,
we play the rules.
But the other thing some peopleget a little nervous when they
hear that we play the rules.
So just a big emphasis toanybody listening is that we
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play the rules, but we're a fungroup too.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But that's how you get better, I think, is when
you're as my brother and Ialways say a golf hole is not
finished until the ball is inthe hole.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Unless you're a triple bogey.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And you'll get those new members that come in and say
, oh, we always pick up forgimme's.
It's like, well, not not today.
You're not not today.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know, I remember what one tournament, uh, you
know one guy he was, he was newand you know he was uh, I think
he was, he was his.
His tap in would have been fora six and you know, and so he
scoops it up and he says six andI'm going seven.
Yeah, he laughed.
I mean, he knew what.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
He knew what he did as soon as he did it right right
those are the fun times because, like you said, we we do follow
the rules, but it is fun and Ithink a lot of us know how to
joke around with oh yeah,unfortunately it is a penalty or
or things like you know, a dropthe way they dropped it.
Or or can I take out this bush?
Uh, things like that.
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I mean me and gabe deal withbushes over here in the desert.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't know, but you know it's especially at the
beginning of the season.
It's a learning experience.
So I agree, getting intocompetitive golf is a great way
to get improve your game, butalso learn the game.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we, we welcomeeverybody.
Come on, give it a try.
It's just a lot of fun, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well, vic, again thank you for joining.
Can't wait to see you at thedirector's meeting and see that
over 100 club for you You're.
You're neck and neck and neckwith the golf week tour.
I was just looking at it rightnow, so I'm going to be rooting
for you to get to 100 beforethem.
Maybe you run that same contestthat me and Gabe are running
(21:51):
the first tour to 100 rafflesoff an entropy somewhere.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
What do you raffle off so?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Chris and I run a dual tour major championship
down in a place called Tubac,which is where they filmed some
of Tin Cup.
So we've got a challenge goingat the first tour to 100.
The other director covers anentry fee for that event.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So, good luck to you this season.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, likewise Great talking to both of you.
Have a good one.
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Speaker 1 (22:39):
Gabe.
So first off, I almost calledyou Tim, but we, you know I
don't know if you've been payingattention but we've kind of
been having all the newdirectors on our podcast lately
and I just think it's prettycool.
I mean, you started off as oneof the fresh new directors in
town and really had no one closeto go to, and then when I
started I had you to kind oflean on and you know, as I got
(23:02):
through it I had other newdirectors lean on me and I think
it's awesome to just have theseguys on here and ladies to uh
just talk about themselves andyou know people that are
listening.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Get to know them yeah , one of the things that's been
uh critical, I think, to the toour growth, is the fact that
directors are able to lean onone another.
You know recently, with theguys in Vegas and a bunch of new
guys that have come on in thelast handful of years, it's a
great base of guys to work offof, and so to be able to have
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guys to reach out to isdefinitely critical.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, and I mean you're about to have two new
guys over there in Arizona and Imean they got you in their back
pocket.
But I bet you they feel ascomfortable as ever to know they
have Vegas up there and theyhave El Paso, even though we're
rivals.
They have them right around thecorner.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Absolutely definitely .
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So let's move on, as we're starting the new season.
You started your tour.
I'm starting mine pretty soon.
I think Dallas is startingpretty soon as well.
Vegas already started.
California started like January1st.
It seemed like you know one ofthe guests that we have on
throughout the year.
He's always been on here, but Iknow you know Roger's rules and
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he's been a great asset to thepodcast and the tour itself.
Um, so let's go ahead and bringin roger real quick.
Let me see if I can figure thisout.
Roger.
You there, I am here.
There you are, roger.
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Welcome back 2025 glad to be here.
Happy new year to everybody andall the listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Likewise, you know, at Nationals I got a bunch of
praise for having you on that.
You help so many golfers learnthe rules that they might not
even know, and even some ofthose special rules that we can
take advantage of every once ina while.
So I just wanted to give youthat heads up.
But how you been, you knowwhat's new for for 2025, rules
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wise.
What do you got for us?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've been good.
I haven't played a whole lot ofgolf.
It's been pretty chilly on theEast Coast here, but I did get
out on Sunday, but anyhow.
So the rules only get revisedactually every four years, and
we all know, back in 2019 wasthe huge rules change, when
everything changed, and thenthere were a few back in 2023.
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And really, for this year,there's not any real rules
changes, but there are a fewthings that are clarified and
there are a couple of thingsthat changed, but really,
whether we'll see these on ourtour or not, it could be very
rare.
So there are three really ingeneral, and I got them here.
There's the.
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You know, when you damage yourclub during regular play and
it's not abuse, you are allowedto use the club as it is or you
can try to repair it or replaceit.
Well, there's a local rulethat's really only used at the
high levels, and this is onethat we probably won't see.
But it's whether it'ssignificantly damaged or not,
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whether a perfect really it'sreally done on the pro tours,
whether they can replace thatclub or not.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And what?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
happened last year.
I don't know if you all heardabout this, matt Patrick, he had
a crack in his club face.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah correct.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, and he was not allowed to replace it at the
time, but they changed that rulenow.
So they figure a crack in theclub and it was just a slight
crack, but they figured that'ssignificant and now they can
replace that club.
So that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I remember that one.
They took like 30 minutes justto get a rules official to
figure that one out.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Oh yeah, yeah.
But again, that's a local ruleand a lot of times I've always
said, prefaced my thing, that wedon't use.
You know, when I talk about therules I'm assuming there's no
local rule in place, so that'sprobably one.
Then another one is about theseyou know, these putters that
are self-standing putters.
You cannot use the self-standingputters to align or show the
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line of play for the wholeweather.
I've only seen one guy use oneof those so far, but it
basically that's another thingthey put in for this year and
it's it's really not a rule,it's just a clarification of
what you're allowed to do withthat club, okay so would that be
putting the self-standing clubin position and then kind of
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walking around it to make surethat it's lined up just the way
you want it to be?
exactly, yeah, just like that,yeah, line it, yeah, yeah, and
then that still won't help me.
Gave it off, that's still haveyou worked on your putting this
I?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
have, but I don't think self-standing yeah yeah,
it still needs a miracle right.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Um, then the.
There are a few more.
The other one is when is ascorecard?
Again, this is a lot of timesit has to do with the pros when
is the scorecard consideredreturned?
And you know, sometimes playersmay make a mistake.
They're still right by wherethey sign the cards and all that
, and maybe within five, oncethey leave that area it used to
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be.
Once they leave that area theycan't do anything about it, but
now there's a new rule where Ithink it's 15 minutes, they're
allowed to still make.
Somebody notices a change thiscame up with.
There's electronic scorecards,people could see that thing, or
maybe he did something wrong, sothey're allowed to correct it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It made more sense, just looked like a common thing
so that was a big thing at anamateur event earlier this year,
was it not?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I, I think it was yeah, that's yeah something, and
I know it happened on pro tourtoo, yeah, so yeah, that's crazy
um those.
Uh, there's also.
There's also a few other littleones, but I won't even get into
those.
So those are the three majorones, though, and and again,
even those being the major ones,they're.
They're little, but I won'teven get into those.
So those are the three majorones, though, and and again,
even those being the major ones,they're.
They're really not ruleschanges, they're just
clarifications of what can andcan't be done, right, and I just
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want to say, like so the youknow, this first podcast of the
year.
Hopefully we'll get a bunch ofnew people listening to this,
and this is going to sound,maybe it might sound silly, but
for for new golfers, what theyneed to know about our tour is
we play by the rules, like youknow and it might sound so like
obvious, but you know you swingand you miss this such an easy
(29:34):
one.
We're going to count that.
You know, and I've seen ithappen.
You don't tap in your pot, you,you know.
Or you just tap it in anddoesn't go in.
You pick it.
Well, you're gonna, you have totap it, you have to finish the
hole out, just obvious stufflike that is what I think new
golfers need to know that ourtorque plays by the rules,
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except, you know, the triplebogey rule, except for the champ
flight.
So that that's.
It's just good to know.
And I think the new golfersthey need to download or
everybody really needs todownload the USGA app just so
that they have it.
So for reference, it's theeasiest way to get the rules and
easiest way to look somethingup.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Now, I was about to ask you for a simple resource,
but that's the perfect one forsure.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I mean whether you're a new member or not.
Don't be afraid to ask yourplaying partners if, if, uh, you
have a ruling and if you fourdon't know the answer, there's
always that two ball rule.
That right pretty sure mosttours um across the country play
, so play the two balls andfigure it out the end.
I always say 90 of the timeyou're gonna end up with the
same score anyways.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So it really won't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I am disappointed that if your ball's in a divot
in the fairway you don't get toroll it up because there's some
courses.
Man, it's like a landmine outthere, a landmine field.
You're going to end up indivots left and right, right, I
mean, like I said, with usplaying or starting to play.
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Now you know we do run into alot of winter golf, right um,
and with winter golf I know I doit.
uh, gave done a couple times forsure we do lift clean place
right, um, especially if it is acourse where there are a bunch
of divots and it's just thegrass isn't growing.
Yeah, I would hope me and gabewould know how to explain lift
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clean place.
But uh, give us yourinterpretation on that.
Um, you know, sometimes it's aclub lane, sometimes it's a
score card.
Um, that was the big thing.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
So I was gonna say, like for new player, always be
sure to listen to theannouncements before the
tournament start.
I know our tour director lyle,he makes, but people in the back
they're not listening and andwhat happens is just exactly
what you're saying.
He might say it's a scorecardlength, or he might say it's a
club length and people are like,well, what they get out to the
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course and they don't know.
And they got to call, theyactually call they'll call me
because they got my cell, orthey'll call Lyle or they'll,
you know, ask the group behindthem.
So yeah, so for lift clean inplace, first of all it has to be
announced, that has to be inplace.
It's not, you know, it's notjust because you're out there
and it's raining or it's badconditions.
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What we've done on our tour alot of times is, if it's cart
path only, then Lyle calls itlift clean in place.
That's often what it is, justbecause the only reason it's
cart path only is because theconditions are bad.
But not always, but sometimesit's even more than that Makes
sense.
So you lift, clean and place,and then also, with regard to
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whether it's a club length or ascorecard or what it is, what
area of the course are youallowed to do it in?
You can impose a local rule thatit's only cut to fairway height
or less or you could do it inthe general area, which means
like through the green, likewhether it's in the rough, it's
in the short grass, it's in.
Well, we won't talk aboutbunkers, but you know, anywhere
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can you lift, clean in place andbasically you should mark your
ball.
But it's not required that youmark your ball, but in order to
get that scorecard length or oneclub length, it's probably
great idea to mark the ball,lift it, clean it however you
like and then you would placethe ball within one club length
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or one scorecard um.
And it's up to the tourdirector whether they want to
use and it doesn't have to be ascorecard or a club length.
It could be whatever he couldsay one foot or whatever it is
but scorecard is an easy way todo it, Right.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And just to clarify you said place, not drop.
No one hand behind the backtype of thing you can place it.
The reason I bring it up upbecause I get these questions
and, like you said and I'mpretty sure gabe gabe can can
attest to this you know we dothe rules, we do the best job we
can to announce it as loud aswe can.
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And the second we get to thatfirst tee box, especially us
playing directors.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You get that text message hey, we do lifting plays
Home calls for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Really.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Yep, definitely Yep.
Beginning of the season.
There's so many questions likethat, yep.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Roger, you hit on something a little bit earlier
that I think across the tour issomething that we should really
encourage, particularly at thebeginning of the season, and
that is to be comfortable enoughto ask your playing partners
for information if you're notsure about a particular ruling,
a drop or relief or whatever itmay be.
A lot of these guys have playedfor a handful or several years
(34:37):
and have a pretty goodunderstanding.
But then, like Chris mentioned,there is that two-ball rule if
you guys can't come to anagreement.
But the idea is not just tocreate a really nice competitive
environment to play golf, butto also learn the game and be
able to, you know, glean off ofthe guys that are around you,
because you can learn fromanybody.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
For sure.
Yes, yeah, that's definitely.
And you can't feel like youknow, if somebody says something
, don't feel like they're tryingto get at you or something.
They're just trying to teachyou something, or you know,
maybe help you out, even giveyou something that might help
out your, your you know, notadvice.
You know I'm not talking aboutadvice, but the right, the right
, right, right way to proceed.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
But there are some.
There are some rulings orrelief options that are actually
a benefit that, if you know, ifthey're trying to help you out
with that, it would be prettywise to listen.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh yeah, if they're trying to help you out with that
, it would be pretty wise tolisten.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I was going to mentionlike knowing the definitions is,
as a new golfer or new to thetour, is very important too.
The definitions of things likewhat is a penalty area, and you
know what does that mean and howdoes that affect you.
You know what is ground underrepair, these type of things,
because what you can do and youmay get free relief versus not
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free relief, you may getpenalized one stroke versus two,
and knowing the definitions andthe rules of golf are really, I
would say, for a golfer thatgets the USG app, they can go
through all the rules, but thefirst thing they should do is
just go through the definitionsto learn what things mean within
the rules.
For sure.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, and I mean you know, if we do bring up the play
two balls regardless, mark yourgolf ball and make it clear so
people know.
And if you are going to playtwo balls, make sure that they
have different marks as well ordifferent numbers or something,
so you don't have that confusion.
You know if you, if you hityour ball and then you hit a
provisional ball and you're like, oh wait, they both were number
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two.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Which one's, which you know.
We got to go with theprovisional ball.
Yeah, we, we see it happen allthe time and and you, that's not
the fun part to have to givethem that information.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Definitely, not Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So, chris, you had asked me like a definition about
you know, these playingconditions in the beginning of
the year, wet and soft, aboutembedded ball, yep, so an
embedded ball is when theportion of the ball is below the
ground, of the surface of theground, and whether that ball is
you know.
Sometimes you can look at aball and you can just tell that
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it's embedded.
Other times you know it's goingto, you are allowed to lift and
move, check out to see if thatball is embedded.
So once you determine if it isembedded, what is the procedure?
So the procedure is you findthe place directly behind where
it's embedded and then you'reallowed a one club length drop
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from that spot.
So embedded balls happen a lotin the spring in this bad
weather that we're having.
So that is the embedded ballprocedure.
You find the spot right behindit and you get one club length
of relief from that spot and youdrop the ball.
You don't place it and you canclean the ball as well?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
yeah, okay with that.
Does it have to be the completeball?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
half the ball breaks the surface any, any part of the
ball that breaks the, what theycall it, and it's really nice,
like I said that, uh, the app,it shows you three different
pictures one with the ball justsitting on top of the grass, one
with it just breaking the planeof the, the, the ground, let's
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say the, the dirt, and then onewith it totally embedded and
they show you how that is so,just at any part of that ball
doesn't have to be more thanhalf, like some are like.
Is it just touching theout-of-bounds stake or just
touching the penalty area stake?
This one, as long as any partof it is below the surface, it's
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considered embedded.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Got you.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Let me give you this situation because it actually
happened to me and I was prettyshocked.
So hit the drive right, wethink we know where it went.
We go and look and sure enoughit's.
We can't find it.
So in the area that we think Iwent, drop a ball, lost ball,
all that good stuff.
And we drive a little bitforward and we see the ball
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embedded.
It was like three-fourthsembedded in there.
How do you feel that could havebeen different?
If that is the case, could wehave said that that was a
provisional ball until we get towhere we're out of range of
where it could be?
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
on that?
So did you say you dropped aball because you didn't find it
and it was embedded?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Correct, we dropped the ball because we couldn't
find it, so we took.
We took the stroke and distanceand then, as we drove forward a
little bit more, we found theball embedded after already hit
that.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Okay, If you'd already put the other ball in
play right.
It.
Um, sorry, there's nothing youcan do at that point.
Now, if you had dropped, if youhad done something, hadn't
played that ball and your threeminutes wasn't up, it's.
It has to do with the timingand whether you had put that
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other ball in play or not.
And, yeah, that's a, that's atough one, because it reminds me
of yeah, you just you putanother ball in play, maybe
because it was in a penalty area.
You drive up and you find yourball two minutes later.
I mean, yeah, within that ball,it's, it's, it's a, that's a
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tough one.
That's yeah, that your ball isnow out of play.
The original ball is out ofplay and you have to play the
one you dropped because you'vealready put it in play yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's that hard pill you have to
swallow at the end of the day.
But I was just curious, sincewe're talking about it and you
know it might happen out there.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
And you drive up and you're like no, I found my ball
here here.
It's halfway in the dirt.
Yeah, that's, that's a toughone.
Yeah, um, another one.
I was thinking about, uh, forthis time of year and actually I
played on sunday and here invirginia beach, it was about it
was 40 and sunny and in the sunit felt great.
I didn't even have a coat on, Ihad a turtleneck on, but where
the trees hadn't the two trees,there was still some snow.
We had some snow here two weeks, about a week ago, but on
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Sunday you could play golf andthe course was actually pretty
busy.
But snow and ice, what are theyconsidered?
So we're playing our firstTidewater Tour event on February
8th up in Williamsburg andthere could be some snow or ice
on the course and if that's thecase, you can treat snow and ice
as temporary water and you getfree relief from that area.
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So out here on the east that'sabnormal course condition,
that's what that's called, andif your ball ends up there,
you're allowed to treat that astemporary water and get free
relief on the closest spot.
No, closer to the hole, ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Roger, I got a question.
This is one that does happenkind of often and I've heard
11,000 different ways ofinterpreting it, so hopefully
this won't take too much time.
I think it's pretty cut and dry, but it's a pretty common thing
.
Right around the edges of thegreen, when you're just on the
fringe, if you're right behind asprinkler head and your
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preferred would be to prefer,would your your preferred play
would be to put the ball, butthe sprinkler heads are in the
way.
Do you get relief from that?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
so there's a local rule the ball and the sprinkler
head have to be within two clublengths.
Uh yeah, two clubs.
If the local rule is in play,then you get relief.
If not, you just have to playit as it lies, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And I heard and understood the two club lengths
and I wanted to make sure thatthat was correct.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Yeah, and both the sprinkler head and the ball have
to be within that two clublengths.
Yep Gotcha.
So yep yeah, because, like,let's say, the sprinkler head is
within, you know, it's a yardoff the green, but your ball is
four yards back, right, and thatwouldn't count.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Right.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Wouldn't be able to apply it, but both of them.
And they do just the tournament.
This past weekend on tour I sawthat happen and a guy got
relief, free relief because theydo employ that rule on tour.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So that would be something that we would have to
put into play.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah, I don't know in our tour manual if that's in
there or not.
I don't think it is.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I'll make note.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll make note and send it to the uppers.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Gabe, it's funny you say that because it comes up a
lot for us too.
Yes, guys think, oh, they getautomatically, get relief, but
more more so it's when just onthe line of play like the four
yard thing that I was talkingabout they think, oh, that
sprinkled heads in my.
It's like sorry, that's not thecase you're right, gotcha yeah
work on the chipping game.
Absolutely Jeez.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
That Texas wedge sometimes comes in handy over
here.
Right, right Roger any lastthings that you might think you
want to bring up or any tips forour new members.
Me personally, I've had a lotof new members come up thanks to
our challenge that me andarizona have, um, which is
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awesome, but also we have toremind them hey, we, we, we're
not your sunday group that comesout in plays right we.
We play everything to the t?
Uh minus the triple bogey maxrule, so anything that you can
think of that might help out.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
Yeah, just that.
Don't think of and I've saidthis before don't think of the
rules as to penalize you.
Try to think of the rules.
Like David mentioned too, thereare a lot of things that rules
can do to help you out too.
So learning the rules can helpyou as well as and I'll give you
an example the whole back onthe line, relief.
A lot of people think, likewith a red penalty area, they're
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thinking well, all I get is thetwo club lengths.
Well, I could use the back onthe line relief and this is just
one example.
If you have a favorite club andyou hit your your gap wedge 85
yards every time, you could usethat back on the line relief to
drop it right at 85 yards andyou've got yourself the best
shot that you you feelcomfortable with.
So just thinking you know,don't always think of the rules
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to penalize yeah absolutely yeah, I use that all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, I don't, I don't want to hear anything from
from gabe when I go play inarizona because I'd be he's like
you're 110 out.
No, I'm going to 150 because my7-iron 150 is smooth as butter.
We're going with that one.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Like butter, I like it.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
The only problem, chris, is you usually have about
eight or nine of those around,so that's the problem.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, Roger, we appreciate you coming on.
Thank you for taking some timeAbsolutely.
We can't wait to see what comesthroughout the year and some
time, um, we can't wait to seewhat comes throughout the year,
um, and, like I said, everybodyloves it when you're on.
Uh, so you better keep yourmaterial fresh, because they're
listening and they love it.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I appreciate it, guys .
Yeah, I love doing this and Iappreciate your uh support with
this as well.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Good luck this year and we'll talk soon, okay.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
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Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know, like I told roger, it was crazy.
It's been a crazy experience tohave people come up to you at
like regionals and nationals andsay, hey, you're the podcast
guy.
But it is kind of sad when,when you say, hey, you're the
podcast guy, but I really lovethe rules segment you guys have,
and it's like, wow, peoplereally love the rules of golf.
It's okay, um, but it's greatto have him on because the guy
(47:01):
is a smart guy, especially whenit comes to golf.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and the players really want to learn the game.
And you know, when we firststarted the El Paso tour I think
you were around already at thatpoint but we actually did a
couple of rules seminars beforeour very first event.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know it's actually something that I wish.
Uh, we would take the time asdirectors to try to put together
more often, particularly fornew members.
You know, use it as a, as arecruiting tool, as you're, you
know, holding a little seminarwith rules guy, going over
different things, so thatplayers are comfortable asking
questions during the rounds whenthey first to get started,
because jumping from playingwith your buddies to competitive
rounds of golf is a big change.
There's already a level ofdiscomfort with that, so the
(47:46):
more comfortable we can makeplayers as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I think it's better for them For sure, and I mean
there's so many rules I think.
Besides Roger, I don't thinkanybody else will memorize all
the rules, not even the tourplayers, unless they're trying
to weasel their way out ofgetting a free drop or something
.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
There's a handful of things they know a little bit
more than maybe they do right um, but it doesn't hurt to have
the app on on your device now.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Um I know gina when I went to her regional she had
stacks of the rules book thatshe gives to her members anybody
who wants one to give them arules book, and I, I think
that's you know it's a tool thatwe can use to, like you said,
grow the game, because that'swhat we're here for to help grow
the game in a competitivestandpoint.
(48:31):
it's not a charity event, it'snot.
You know, we're going out thereplaying with our friends, like
it is competitive, and we all goout there to try and win, but
at the end of the day, we wantto grow the game Exactly.
It's great to have him on.
There's some of those rules Ishould have probably enforced at
the Ryder Cup, but that'sneither here nor there you host
(48:53):
a Ryder.
Cup.
Yeah, I know, you have it rightthere, dude.
I know we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I'm glad you didn't put the score on there yet,
though I appreciate that.
I didn't have enough inkbecause there's some big numbers
.
You know, last episode, tim hadto bring that up and he asked
how it went.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Did you change the subject room quickly?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I tried to, I really did, but but you know, I it's
just fun, dude, it's fun, and Iwish we could do it once a month
, because that's how much fun itis.
Um, but I want to, I want tothrow you under the bus real
quick because, okay, um, youknow, we had this conversation
and then, uh, out of the blue,I'm gonna say my cart was
(49:42):
amazing.
Uh, it was great on on day onewhen the sun was going down,
because apparently people werefollowing me with the lights on.
I didn't even know.
Yeah, but uh, then you startsending me pictures of the belt
randomly and, uh, that that'swhat team competition is all
about, because, uh, I, I myself,when I go visit you guys wear
(50:04):
it proudly like a wwe wrestler.
Um, and now I gotta pay my duesand I'm not looking forward to
it's, it's got a name, it's it'sthe, the year-long chris rocha
torture tour.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Um so, any event, every, uh, every post that we do
, you know, look in the cornersof the pictures that you see,
and you're probably going to seethe belts work around.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
So that's that, you've challenge accepted,
challenge accepted.
But uh, tell me, you know,after this episode drops, you've
already had your first event atSahuaro.
You know it's a great time.
I know you know we have DanielWigg and Jordan Isaac that are
kind of taking, you know takingthe reins now.
(50:48):
But how do you feel thisseason's looking for you, any
exciting events that you have onthe schedule that you kind of
want to promote?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Now's your time, my friend.
Yeah, you know.
So, for us, the, the, the thingfor us that we've, you know,
focused on or has been a big, abig point for us for years now.
I think we're going on four orfive years in a row now where
we've been the lead and we wantto keep it, and that's the
fundraising for for the vfoundation.
Right, umically, we had to makea change in the date of our
(51:22):
first event of the season and Idon't know if it was one of
those fate kismet whatever termyou prefer to use but all of our
fundraising, we make donationsin the name of two former
members, roger Tamietti and SeanDowns, who we lost the day
before our kickoff event lastyear and, ironically, because of
(51:46):
the date change that wasrequired.
It wasn't something that weplanned, it was just a
scheduling conflict that causedus to move our start date, you
know, back a day to the 19th.
It was actually the one the oneyear anniversary of Sean's
passing, and so you know the,the focus for us, while we have
some great events, like our dualtour event that you and I do
(52:08):
together, um in two back, whichis one of our big fundraising
events, as well as the regionaland a couple of new um, a major
championship championships thatwe have, one in Sedona stands
out for us.
The fundraising is where it'sat for us, and so we use the
anniversary as a launching pointfor our fundraising for this
(52:30):
year and we're going tochallenge anyone and everyone
that's listening to join us andtry to make as much of an impact
as the Golf Week Amateur Touras a whole can make, not just
this year but every year movingforward.
We'll be sharing some stuff andwe hope that other tours will
join us in what we do, but forus, while we have some great
(52:51):
events, the fundraising for usis the big thing.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, definitely, and you do a great job.
It's shown year after year,thank you, and you do a great
job.
It's shown year after year.
Um, thank you, but I mean it'sjust, you know, one of my
favorite events aside from myschedule okay, any of my
listeners listening aside fromour schedule is our tubac event.
Uh, one, because you know it ismiddle of the season, right?
(53:15):
um, some of the guys may havenot seen their arizona friends
sensual rider cup so it's agreat time to uh to get together
, and you're at a resort wherethere's literally nothing to do
but hang out yeah you know,after the round you're either
hanging out on the patio oryou're walking your dog and you
see x, y and z on the patio andhey, come for a beer or a drink,
(53:39):
or hector's got his tequilabottle somewhere.
Um, are you supposed to or not?
Whether you're supposed to ornot, uh, yeah, it's a great time
and uh, anybody that's lookingto to play a major outside of
their tour I would, that'd beone.
I definitely recommend uh, butthen you the, the history of it
too.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
You know they filmed tin cup there and right, of
course, the the the resort takesoutstanding care of us, um, and
you know they filmed tin cupthere and, of course, the, the,
the resort, takes outstandingcare of us.
Um, and you know, one of thethings that you see at this
event, um, that you don't see, Ithink for the most part, is
it's a, it's a real familyenvironment, um, after the
rounds are done, or you knowwhen dinner's done, or whatever
it may be, you've got kidsrunning around.
(54:16):
You know playing around where,where the cows are and you dogs
and all of that good stuff.
I mean it, the vibe in thatplace is different than anything
else that we do all season long.
Um, the competition is is fierce.
We've had playoffs the lasthandful of years and and 70, 80,
a hundred players at that eventevery year, um, but but the
(54:39):
reality of it is is that that'sreally a time to decompress.
It's a weekend where everybodyseems to decompress, kind of
rejuvenate and get ready for the, the final stretch of the
season, as we get ready for, youknow, season finales and
national championships and allthat good stuff, I mean, and
then you have, you have tpcright around the corner, which
is still one of the biggerevents, bigger, bigger regionals
in the country, and I mean youput a top-notch show.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
I appreciate that.
I mean, you guys run it likecrazy and I know I help a little
bit with scoring, but that hasnothing to do with the
background stuff that you guyshave to do and the fundraiser
that you do there.
I mean it's one of a kind butwe have great partners.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
You're one of them and your entire crew and all of
the group that you bring with us.
You know to us.
But again, when the focus is ontrying to put ourselves in a
position where we're helping asmuch as we possibly can, it's
amazing how well our groups cometogether to reach goals that
(55:43):
we've set, and we've set moregoals this year and we hope to
meet them.
But you know anybody that comesaround, anybody that comes to
our tours, they're excited tohelp, they love what we do and
they jump in and help out asmuch as they possibly can, and I
think that's what our entirenational tour is all about.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Right, definitely.
Lastly, you know you just cameback from the Vegas regional.
I did Did see your scores andyou know everybody's score was
high.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
It happens in Vegas.
States of Vegas.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
With 50 mile an hour winds.
Yeah, it should stay in Vegasfrom what I hear, um, but I want
to ask you because I know youunderstand what was worse that
one or my Red Hawk event acouple years.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Oh, it wasn't even close.
Red Hawk I mean anybody that'sever played with me knows that
that I hit a pretty good draw,especially off the tee and when
you're when you're aiming forthe as a left-hander, when
you're aiming for the right sideof the fairway and trying to
hit a big hook and it's stillgetting pushed all the way
across the left side of thefairway.
(56:47):
Nothing compares to that.
Um, it was cold.
The wind was blowing 40 or 50miles an hour constantly, with
gusts bigger than that.
Uh, what we had in vegas thispast weekend I will take every
day of the week and twice onsunday I mean, but it was, it
was close competition all theway to the end in all the flight
(57:08):
.
We're, we're, we're, gladdenedfor punishment, but I remember
that event vividly and it was ablast yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I was watching from from home and and man, it was
nail-biting the last four holes.
And then I know B-Flight wentinto a three-player playoff.
One of my guys had a chance towin and we could have gone two
out of the three, but I think helost on the second hole or
something.
And then we got our C-Flighterto win, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Arizona took a couple home as well.
So, yeah, no, but but greatcompetition, great camaraderie,
good.
We did some fundraising thereas well for the V Foundation.
That turned out well.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
All in all, great weekends it's a great way to
kick off the season for sure forus west coasters, because I
mean it would be nice to go andplay Harbortown, but that's too
cold for me.
That's way too cold.
Well, bud, I appreciate youbeing my co-host this episode.
We'll definitely have to makeit or do it again sometime this
(58:08):
season, because it was a lot offun.
Great time for sure next timeyou don't have to shave.
Okay, I can tell you it's afresh shave on there, but you
don't have to do that just onthe sides.
This is a little stubby here,but yeah, is it the gray hair or
what?
Speaker 2 (58:24):
There's.
There's more than a couple ofgray hairs in there.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, but I you know I can't wait to go out there and
see you.
But good luck this season andkeep that belt warm because it's
coming back to daddy prettysoon.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Looking forward to it right thank you so much.
I appreciate you, my friendlikewise you.
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