Tour Tough: How Veterans Compete Like Pros on the Golfweek Amateur Tour

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, chris, to the post-Mother's Day.
Still Military AppreciationMonth episode of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got a lot going on .
Man we do.
It's picking up steam and youknow this month has been fun.
I can't wait to hear thestories today, but we're already
halfway through May, man I knowit's craziness, it's absolute
craziness.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We got two really good guests.
I'm looking forward to talkingto both of them, but there's so
much going on across the countrywith golf.
There's so much going on withsome other things.
I do have the Stu shirt with ustonight, so we can show that
off we still got to come up witha contest, but we'll show that

(00:52):
off.
Man, I don't know if you knewthis, but it was JR's birthday a
couple days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I didn't.
Happy birthday JR.
Happy belated birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I found out and made sure I put something on the
Facebook page, but there's justso much going on Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I agree, there's a lot going on in my life too,
and this month's going to go bybefore we even know it.
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean, you got a family trip coming up here in
July.
I got a feeling that's going tocome up here in one of these
interviews tonight, but oh mygoodness.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well let's just get this show on the road now.
I'm pretty sure everyone'sexcited.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, we're at the first quarter of the year ago,
man.
Seriously, it's the middle ofMay.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
All I know is I've been stuck in the 90s and that's
not the year.
That's my score.
So I'm trying to not think ofthose six months, but we'll get
through it yeah, we will.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, everybody stick with us again.
We got a really good episode,two, really good guests.
We're going to announce theApril tour.
Member of the month and lots ofgood stuff going on, guys yeah,
let's get going.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Ladies and gentlemen, golf Week Amateur Tour proudly
presents Golf Week Amateur Tour,the podcast Talking about all
things Golf Week Amateur Tour,including interviews with tour
directors, players and courseprofessionals.
Now here are your hosts, timNewman and El Paso Las Cruces.
Tour director, chris Rocha.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Welcome back, Chris.
Hope you took care of Diane onMother's Day.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yep did.
Hope you did the same with MissNewman.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I did, but it wasn't actually on Mother's Day.
We did stuff on Saturday.
I did take her out to breakfaston Sunday, but I had a bunch of
work stuff that I had to do onactual Mother's Day.
But I just wanted to make surethat you know, from at least
that perspective, you know we'renot going to hell.
So happy Mother's Day toeverybody, to all the moms out
there.
Hope you all enjoyed it and youwere well taken care of.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, definitely.
We did it before and we did itafter, so I think we're good.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
We're good for this year for that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
We've caught up.
At least we're good.
We're good for this year forthat.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
We've caught up at least.
Oh boy, we got lots of stuffgoing on.
We're going to.
We got two really good gueststo round out Military
Appreciation Month.
You're going to love them.
Really good stories.
We're going to announce theApril Member of the Month.
We'll get him on the nextepisode, but, chris, we had 12.

(04:09):
Yeah, they were solid.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
They were.
They were very solid.
It was a good turnout, andcompetition is only getting
stiffer as we keep going.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's what she said.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Hey, hey, settle down , settle down.
I thought it in my mind as soonas I said it, but you're the
one who let the cat out of thebag.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh well, you know it's funny.
Yeah, you were on here when youknow we were just talking to
our first guest and I said up toabout nine years ago I thought
myself a little kid and guesswhat?
I guess I still am.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Right, I think we all are a little bit All right.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So we got a lot of stuff to talk about, but let's
just get right into this.
You know our first guest.
I'm going to let him tell thestory, his stories.
But he served in two branches,20 years retired and he
accomplished something in atournament a few weeks ago.
It's really pretty cool yeah Ican't wait.
Let's go ahead and bring in ourour first guest, jamal garrett,

(05:13):
from the tidewater tour.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Jamal, welcome to the show bud.
Hey, thanks for having me oh,no, worries that.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know as you, as you heard, and you know what we
talked about before we came on.
You've got a great story, twobranches.
So you were Marines for eightyears and Navy for 12 years.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Dude, thank you so much for your service.
I think there's more people outthere that are doing two
branches than people think about.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think there was.
I really only did it becausewhen I did my first eight years
I had got orders that I didn'tlike.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
To make a long story short, I got orders I didn't
like, so the Marine recruitertold me hey, you take these
orders or you get out.
And so I just got out.
I'll show you, because it was,it was my, it was after my
second combat tour, so I waslike, nah, I can't go to a third
one, not back to back to back,yeah, yeah, so so where are you

(06:18):
from?
I am originally from birmingham, alabama okay as you can see,
as I can see.
Yeah, I wasn't going to bringit up.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I wasn't going to bring it up, but that's all
right, that's all right Roll thedice.
Settle down.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Settle down.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
How did the military come about for you?
Were you just graduating highschool and then just go right in
?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
I did.
I played sports and everythinggrowing up and a couple injuries
derailed all that.
So I ended up talking to aMarine recruiter my junior year
and I just kind of signed up forthe delayed entry program and
just went from.
There.
My uncle was always in the Army.
He was an Army.
He just retired Army SergeantMajor and he was always trying

(07:03):
to get me was an army.
He just retired, uh armysergeant major, and he was
always trying to get me to cometo the army.
But we kind of had like a thingback and forth between me and
him who was better?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
so yeah, we, we already know, we don't even have
to get into it, so we're goodbut yeah, it was it just kind of
it just kind of went from there.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
I always liked it, grew up in a military family,
like a bunch of my uncles and mydad.
Everybody was in the military,so just kind of fell in line
with it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's awesome.
You know the whole idea.
I mean coming from a militaryfamily.
People who don't have militarymembers in their family don't
truly understand what that means, you know.
So I come from a militaryfamily.
Now I only served a little bitof years, but my father was in,

(07:59):
my grandfather was in, my wife'sgrandparents were in, my
brother is retired and thatcauses a lot of stress, you know
, on the extended family spouses, children, those types of
things and you know, I think alot of times that we forget
about those.
You know the other people thatserve but aren't in uniform.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, we got lucky, that serve, but aren't in
uniform.
Yeah, we got lucky.
My dad had gotten out like yearsbefore I was even in the
picture, so he only did like hisfirst few enlistments and he
got out, but he was doing like Isaid, my uncle I just see the
stress and everything that ithad on his family but like we

(08:46):
all kind of bonded together andjust and just, you know, helped
each other out whenever weneeded to and he'd always come
home and we'd always have likeget togethers and everything.
Just try to reinforce like weknow what you're doing, you know
you're out serving andeverything, so we kind of hold
it down for you while you'regone.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's what you got to do and that's
you know.
You kind of learn.
You kind of learn that behavior, um, really kind of as you're
growing up, you know, take careof each other and take care of.
You know, not only your family,maybe, maybe, maybe somebody
else's family as well yep, itdefinitely did all that.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
It was tight little tight-knit community, absolutely
with everybody that's in themilitary.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
So let's start with your military service.
What was your MOS, what wereyou doing, and give us some of
the good memories.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
So, starting in the Marines, a good memory.
I had two mls's.
I was 0311 and 0151.
0311 is basically just infantryuh, 0151 is administrative, uh,
paper pushup, pretty much.

(09:59):
So I did both of those and Iwas always with the uh infantry
units out in.
I was stationed out in Hawaii,out of Kaneohe Bay, and some of
the good memories was like all,even though the deployment
sucked just some of the placeswe went.
So, like hands down, my bestplace that I ever went to was

(10:22):
Australia, sydney, australia.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Wow, wow, loved it to was.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Australia, sydney, australia, wow, wow, loved it.
That was the one place like, ifyou ever thought about, like
not coming back home, it wasprobably the place.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
How long were you there for?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
We were there for about five days.
Okay, but it was a lot of fundays, okay, but it was a lot of
fun probably the worst wasprobably being in out in uh
mount fuji, japan, for for one,the only reason it was the worst
is because one it was dead ofwinter oh and so it's super cold

(11:01):
.
And then we went back for somekind of training, like with the
Japanese army and stuff, and wehad to sleep in the field, and
so, you know, they got the Habusnakes out there.
So they come around and they'relike, hey, you know, just be
careful at night.
When you got to get up and goto the bathroom or something
where you're sleeping, becausethese snakes might slither up in

(11:22):
your sleeping bag or something.
Yeah, I slept on top of thehumvees after that yeah, I'm
sure, yeah, no, we're not doingthat, jamal.
We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, not at all, not at all there's only so much I
can take you know, and snakes isnot one of them but yeah, I've
slept outside in the cold and inthese sleeping bags and in
these, you know, makeshift tentsand all this other stuff.
That's one thing, but you startbringing snakes around.
We're not doing that.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, terrified of snakes, hate them yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And they're sneaky too.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
You don't know.
They're there until it's toolate.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, they've already got got hold of you by the time
you know they're there, oh mygoodness.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
So tell me about living in hawaii though.
I mean, I've been to hawaii acouple times.
It's fun, I mean, but but butliving there, my goodness, could
chris you would, chris, youwould love it.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, the weather is nice I'm going in july, so I
can't wait.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
You definitely have to go to a luau while you're out
there.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
We will.
I think we have that planned,and I'm trying to play Royal
Hawaiian, which is apparentlyvery beautiful, so we'll see, it
is definitely very beautiful.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
I loved every minute that I was out there when we
were actually there and not outlike training or deployed.
But it's super expensive andI'm sure it's probably like 10
times as expensive now, but it'sbeautiful out there.
I loved it so.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
So when you were living out there did, did you
get a cost of living bump, or orwas it you just got your normal
?
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You definitely got a cost of living bump out there.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I don't know how you would live, right?

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Nobody would be able to survive out there if they
didn't Right right, I think forBAH it was like almost three
grand, almost out there.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's crazy At that out there.
That's crazy at that timethat's crazy so every minute
though so how about your navyservice?

Speaker 5 (13:34):
uh, I was an electronics technician and I
came in.
I got out of the marines in2008.
I got out for two years.
I came in in June of 2010, andI was the electronics technician
.
I've been here in Virginia mywhole time that I was out here

(13:55):
that I was in the Navy, I'vebeen on a place called Nick
Tam's Land.
It's like a littlecommunication center center like
a little hub where all thecommunications go through.
And then I was on the uh,george hw bush, the aircraft
carrier okay and then I worked.

(14:16):
I worked at the schoolhouse uhon norfolk naval base and then I
retired and now I work backthere as a contractor doing uh
teaching, navigation equipmentand uh communications equipment
that's awesome, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think that's kind of a kind of a hidden gem, you
know, when you retire and thenyou get get hired, but you get a
GS job oh yeah because I meaneverything, not that
everything's gravy, but I meanyou're doing all right oh
definitely.
You know so.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Less stress and more pay.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Exactly.
But my brother's the same wayand this is I haven't convinced
him yet, but so he retired a fewyears ago.
He's got a government job, a GSjob, I think.
He reports to the general atFort Polk and like he's his
liaison or something.
I don't know what he does, butanyway he's got like 150 days of

(15:17):
leave saved up, right, andwe're supposed to go on vacation
together with family.
And he says, well, I'm notcoming.
It's like I'm getting there onFriday.
And he said, well, I'm notcoming until Monday because I
don't want to take that extracouple days of leave.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
I said, dude what are you doing?
What are you doing?
What is he saving them for?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I don't know, he's going to retire fully here, I
think in like two or three years.
I said you know you're notgoing to lose.
I mean you're not going to misstwo days.
I mean seriously.
Take the two days off, dude 150days.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Is he worried about two, two?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Exactly, exactly.
I'm like come on man, so.
But yeah, I mean, it's like hesays a lot less stress you know,
but he's sort of going to takeany time off.
But that's also, you know, partof the mentality that you know
a lot of us have in that.
But you know, at some point, asmuch time as you served, it's

(16:24):
okay to relax a little bit.
It really is.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
You have to.
That's the only way to keepyour sanity.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Exactly, exactly.
So now you did somethingspecial here at King's Mill in
March.
You got.
You got a hole in one in a in ain a tournament.
Tell us about it.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
So we were coming up to our last hole and it was 17
up there at that course and youknow, 17 is the hole with like
it's like right on the— well,it's the one that's right on the
water and it's where the shipsand everything came in.
So they got the flags andeverything came in.
So they got the plaques andeverything out there and one of

(17:07):
my buddies this was his firsttour event that he played in so
we were together and we weretalking about it and we were
walking up and, um, we'retalking about like this is it?
You know, just don't even worryabout nothing, just try not to
hit it in the water.
That's all you got to worryabout.
And so we was like getting thedistance and stuff and it was

(17:28):
like about 180, 183.
So I was like I'm going to playmy 185 club or 155, I'm sorry,
155.
So I go back to the cart andthe guy that was up there, he
tees off and everything.
And I'm walking back up and waslike what are you gonna hit?
I was like I'm gonna get alittle soft eight iron.

(17:48):
So the way the hole is, it kindof it's a flat, undulated
surface, but off to the leftside.
You got a heel and it justslopes down right into it and it
kind of like funnels downwherever the flag is at.
So as long as you hit that sideof the hill, it kind of rolls
down and you're good, unless youhit, like the front side right.
So I'm like I'm gonna just hitthe top, try to hit the top of

(18:10):
the hill, like right where thegreen and the uh grass meet, and
just let it kind of like rolldown.
It'll put me like maybe 15, 20feet from the pin, two putt for
a par and go home, get up.
I hit it and we're all watchingand it hits.
The hits the side of the hillexactly where the green and the

(18:31):
fringe meet, and I'm like, okay,it's gonna be, it's gonna be
pretty good.
And my buddy taps me like hey,man, it's still rolling.
I was like it's still rolling.
They're like, yeah, it'srolling towards.
It.
Looks like you're rollingtowards the pin.
And I'm like, oh, that's gonnabe great.
So we're standing therewatching it and then just
disappears and I'm like I lookat him and he looks at me.
He's like, did that go in?

(18:51):
I'm like I don't know, bro, Ithink it did, and like one of
the other dudes that's with us.
There's some guys up on thehill and they start clapping and
we're like, oh, sap, it went in.
So we went from like three ringsof emotion like is this true?
Confusion, like is it true, tohappiness, to scared.
The reason it went to happen isbecause, obviously, it went in

(19:13):
right when we saw it disappeared.
The scared is because thewater's right here on the right.
I threw my club up in the air,oh, and so I'm like, oh, oh, no,
my club is gone.
But it didn't land in the water, it landed like right on the
side of the hill.
Yeah, it was.
It was pretty awesome, my firstone ever dude that's awesome.

(19:35):
People still talk about it andthey're like it was, it was
awesome, it was awesome on it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, you can be talking about that forever.
And you know, you know you had.
You know my buddy, thompsonSawyer was in your group saw
that he's such a good guy itmust have been fun to play with.
Did you play golf when you werein the military or was it
something that you picked upafter you got out?

Speaker 5 (20:00):
It was something I picked up.
I played a little bit while.
I was in.
It was something I played alittle bit while I was in.
I really started playingprobably when I got here in
Virginia, like around 2011.
I got a couple buddies on thetour with me Kevin Bryars, tim
Sales and another buddy, edSicko.

(20:20):
I met them.
They were the first group ofguys that I met while I was out
here and they kind of got meinto it okay and my buddy, kevin
and tim told me like yeah, youshould probably play pretty, you
could probably take a seriousand start playing for real.
And I was like, nah man, theytalked it up to me and
everything, and so, like I've,I've gotten better over the last

(20:40):
three, three years, like fromwhere I was at to where I am now
, and it's been pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, it is.
What would you say is probably,and you can't say, only one of
your best memory now.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's your best memory about playing golf on
tour Because you guys haveTidewater's got I would say
probably one of the best.
You know tours and tourdirectors you know in the
country uh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
So, lyle, speaking of lyle, this is the one.
Uh, this bottom one right hereis the one that he had made for
me, him and another guy on tour,mike hale.
They both uh found out that Ihad the hole-in-one, so they
bought the flag and uh made itup for me, and the one that's on
top of is the one that thecourse actually sent me dude,

(21:32):
that's awesome so.
Lau.
Uh, the the best part, the bestmemory, was me and Lau were
talking trash and I told him Iwas gonna win, win the
Stonehouse course last year.
And he was like, yeah, yeah,yeah, whatever, there's a bunch
of good guys out there, so itwas going to be tough, so I

(21:53):
ended up winning.
It was a two-day tournament.
I ended up winning it that day,so I get bumped up to Sea
Flight this year.
And I told him I was like waslike, yeah, you know, this is my
course.
I love this course.
Stonehouse is my course.
It's always the best, that Ialways play the best there.
And I ended up finishing insecond place.

(22:14):
I lost, uh, by one stroke.
Uh, the guy that beat me shotat 86.
I shot at 87 wow so that'swinning.
I've won a couple oftournaments, so those are
probably the best, the best ones, but Stonehouse is probably my
favorite.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's awesome.
Number one, you know, I thinkwinning a tournament is
obviously awesome, but you know,moving up a flight and
competing right away, thatthat's also gotta be a really
good feeling, because not onlyare you getting better, but you

(22:52):
know a lot of times when peoplesay, well, I'm getting moved up,
I can't compete.
But you can compete.
You just have to change thatmindset a little bit it
definitely is.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Uh, a lot of guys just um, it's a, it's like I
said, a few of the guys on thetour.
They actually like talk to me alot and help me out with a lot
of stuff and they always tell mehey, man, just go out and play
your game one swing at a time.
Once that swing is over, moveon to the next one.
There's nothing you can doabout it now.
So they kind of keep me levelheaded and they always tell me

(23:21):
when I talk to them they're likeyou, you'll be fine the way you
play, you'll be all right.
You never know, everythingmight click for you and you
should have 77 again.
And this will be the day youget bumped up to C flight I mean
B flight now, after we're inthe wind.
So, just go with it.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Don't calm down a little bit.
It can happen, but calm down,we don't want to make too big of
a jump.
It can happen, but calm down.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
We don't want to make too big of a jump.
Definitely not, definitely not,but it's a great time, wild
Run's a great tour and we gotthe DC one coming up next.
So if he's listening, I'm goingto win that one too, oh Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
So we made a deal with somebody from the louisiana
tour earlier in the in the year.
I said if you win three in arow, you know you get a regular
segment.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
so just keep that in mind so you gotta win three in a
row you gotta win three in arow.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
You get a regular segment, okay I'll.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Uh, are we talking like on tour?
We're we talking like TigerWoods golf on PlayStation?
No no no no, no no, no, no.
I almost had one of my playersdo that.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
He was real bummed when he got second place.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's got to be three in a row.
It's got to be three in a row.
So what regionals are you goingto do this year?
So what?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
regionals.
Are you going to do this yearwhat?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Which regionals are you going to do this year?
I know you generally go to oneor two a year.
Which ones are you doing thisyear?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well, we're doing the one in Blacksburg, oh yeah,
yeah.
And we usually try to travelcorn, me and my buddies, and
we're going down to uh fripisland, we're doing that one and
then we're doing the anotherone, local, another one uh, I
forgot which one it was.
I've signed up for all the allof our tours, everything, so I

(25:15):
don't even there's so manydifferent ones, I can't remember
which one it is yeah, well, youdon't miss a tournament.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean, you've been on tour since since 2023 and
you've got 62, 62 rounds.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, well, I try to make every one of them Doesn't
miss.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
It's.
It's a lot of fun and a lot ofmoney.
Thank God for the retirementExactly, thank God.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So, so you can't take any days off.
You, you, Exactly so you can'ttake any days off.
You got to make sure you.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Nope, oh man.
It's a lot of fun, though.
Meet a lot of good people.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
It really is Well, jamal, thank you so much for
your service.
I can't tell you how much Iappreciate it.
Thank you for joining ustonight and spending some time
with us, and good luck thisweekend and beating all those DC
guys.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Thank you, I appreciate y'all having me on.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Hey Jamal, just real quick hook them horns, all right
.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Oh hey, we're still one and one, right now, so you
know, I guess in another year.
That's when the tiebreakerhappens.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Let's do it.
I'm excited.
We'll make a bet when it comesaround.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Hey, you know where to find me oh.
I got you.
I got you.

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Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, dude, great conversation with Jamal.
You know it's cool to have guyshit hole-in-ones I mean, I've
been close before, uh but to doit in a tournament and
specifically for him his lasthole, uh, yeah, that's pretty
cool.
Now he I didn't get to ask him,but he did mention how scared
he was, um, because he thoughthe lost his club.

(27:20):
Uh, I would have been morescared of how big that bar tab
is going to be than losing theclub, because it might have been
more than of how big that bartab is going to be than losing
the club, because it might havebeen more than an actual
replacement of that club that'swhere I thought he was going
with it, because that was apretty big tournament there, and
you know but it bears thequestion where does it come

(27:40):
first, the chicken or the egg?
do you pay for everybody at thetournament or just your group?
That question has yet to besolved.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I don't know if it's me, I'll take care of everybody
Might as well.
Let's have a good time.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's a big bar tap.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean he probably wanted to get a good bit of
money If he played him.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
He played, he did, he did.
We're just going to go withthat.
We know that he did and heplayed.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay, I'm going to take your word on that one.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
But you know the other thing with him I mean
Marines for eight years, Navyfor 12 years.
God bless him, brother Right.
That's awesome it is.
You know he seemed a littledisappointed that he didn't go
anywhere for his Navy career,just stayed right there in the
Norfolk area.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'd have been okay with that.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, doing the good work.
I mean he served on a couple ofreally good ships and now he's
got the opportunity to staythere and teach.
Doing the good work, I mean heserved on a couple really good
ships, you know, and now he'sgot the opportunity to stay
there and teach, Right, so youknow good for him and just relax
, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, and you know itkeeps him in that area to be
able to stay on the tour withhis buddies in Lyle on the

(29:15):
Tidewater tour.
You know Tidewater's got a tonof military with them, just like
DC, just like East NorthCarolina, like I told you before
.
You know up and down the EastCoast you know lots of military
members on tour.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I mean, that's where I would assume a bunch of
bases are.
I mean, I'm not real familiarwith it, but it seems like we
usually get a lot of guys fromthe East Coast that I want to
get on our podcast.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I think they just want to talk to you.
Probably, probably, that's it.
Well, well, you know, uh, ournext guest I've known.
I've known him for a long time.
You know, when I first met himhe told me he was going to
retire.

(30:06):
And then, uh, next year he saidhe was going to retire, and
then next year he said he wasgoing to retire, and then next
year he said he's going toretire.
Finally he retired, so retired.
So I'm glad he did that.
And now he's dealing with farmanimals.
But let's go ahead and welcomein our next guest, the senior DC

(30:28):
tour director, dave Phillips.
Dave, welcome to the show, bud.
Thanks, yeah, you had aneventful evening.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Already eventful.
Just when you think work can'tbe any more hectic, you find out
there's other stuff thathappens when you're not around.
I understand.
Now I get to deal with what shedealt with.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
There you go.
Well, you would rather be doingthat than doing what you were
doing.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Don't lie, don't lie.
It's a mixed bag.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
You were doing.
Don't lie, don't.
It's a mixed bag.
You know, I still have adedication to achieving mission
I it's one of those things thatnever goes away.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Once you did military , yeah, so so how long you're an
air force veteran?
How long were you in the airforce?

Speaker 6 (31:11):
uh, I actually had four years at the Academy, plus
26 years seven months as activeon top of that.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And what'd you retire as?

Speaker 6 (31:23):
As an Air Force Colonel.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
God bless you, brother.
Thank you so much.
And and you know I think you'rethe first person we've had on
that that was Air Force Academygraduate.
Yay, no, it's, I mean.
That was Air Force Academygraduate Yay, no, it's.
I mean that's Go blue.
But you know, I, I think peopledon't truly understand.
You know what it takes, numberone, to be able to get into the

(31:48):
Academy, any Academy, whetherit's the Air Force, whether it's
, you know, naval Academy orWest Point.
It's not just you, just go in,I mean, oh.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
I tried the first year right out of high school
and tried it on my own, did notget in.
I ended up going the first yearto Boston University and had to
pay for that and did ROTC for ayear.
But college is expensive anddidn't have the money and the
loan kind of structure.

(32:17):
So I applied this time becauseof where I worked was at Sperry
Univac.
They were a defense contractorfor the Navy, of all things, and
I worked for them and went tothe local plant president and
the ops manager because my dadhad worked there before he

(32:37):
passed away and so they all kindof had taken me under their
wings when I was in high schoolworking there and said, all
right, we're going to write theletters of recommendation.
Turns out the plant managerturned around and called the
senator and was like, hey, canyou help us out?
Is there a shot?
And next thing, you know, Iflew from boston for the
interview and met a few peopleduring the interview and it

(33:00):
turns out there were like fourof us in that waiting room and
it was the four of us thatactually went in that year
together because they screenedthe records and everything else.
And it's like okay, terry, leetravis, all those and it was
just like wow, and you see them,their freshman year and you
remember who they were.
And then you get to do all fouryears at the zoo.

(33:21):
You don't get a free pass anddo only three years.
They make sure you get thegristmill.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.
So you got that bonus year at.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
Boston University.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, so that's awesome.
So what was your, what was yourMWS, what was your job?

Speaker 6 (33:38):
I was in the communications electronics when
I came in and, being at theacademy, first thing I did when
I graduated hey, here's my dreamsheet.
I'm ready to go anywhere in theworld.
Send me remote, whatever.
And they sent me 20 miles downthe road in the same city.
So I was just like seriously,you guys are going to do this to

(33:59):
me.
I'm like I wanted to go see theworld and I got sent down the
road, so but it was a good fouryears because it was a good
learning experience, right, andI did the base level unit and
after the three years, okay, Ineeded to do something else and
I got into the headquartersbecause one of my jobs was
helping move the headquartersthat was off base onto the base

(34:21):
in their new building the AirForce Space Command at the time
and we affectionately named thebuilding Space Catraz at the
time.
So that was kind of fun andbecause you go in and it looked
like one of those movies youknow with right what either
jean-claude van damme or jasonstatum and you see all these
railings and offices and youlook and feel like throwing

(34:43):
somebody over the railing.
No, it was actually good, butvolunteered from there.
I ended up overseas after thatbecause they're like okay, short
notice assignments where youwant to go, do you want to go?
I'm like I don't even knowwhere that is.
Can I call you back?
And it's like well, you haveuntil four o'clock today to
decide.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
And it's 3.50.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
And actually it was two o'clock, but I ended up
looking it up and it turned outto go to Holland.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
So I ended up in Holland, the Netherlands,
because they're like Systerberg,the Netherlands.
I'm like I don't even know whatthat is, because Americans, we
call it Holland.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Right.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
That's called the Netherlands, nederland.
So you're just like okay, soit's interesting things, you
learn along your career and thenwent over there, did a bunch of
different stuff and met myfuture wife there.
Even though they did a baseclosure on us, I scrambled and

(35:40):
ended up going to Japan but Iwasn't sure if I was ready to
marry and so I left.
But she's like okay, you're notgetting away.
She bought a ticket fromHolland to Japan, said I'm going
to come visit you.
She did.
That was the longest fishingpole I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well, it worked.
It worked it worked.
That's awesome man.
So where'd you go after Japan?
Back home, I did two yearsthere.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
I actually did finish my master's at Japan, and so
they had this thing calledDaedalus, which is your
assignment system.
And I'm like, okay, I appliedto all these jobs and I applied
like 26 jobs in the volunteersystem, if you will.
And it's like, okay, I calledheadquarters Pacific Air Forces.
What am I doing wrong?

(36:29):
I'm supposed to go to a majorcommand next.
What is it?
And he's like he called up,I'll get back with you.
Two weeks later he's like, okay, you're coming here to Hawaii.
I'm like, well, I wasn't tryingto go away.
I've already been overseastwice.
Now I need to go back to thecity.
He's like, no, you're cominghere.

(36:49):
The assignment people weredoing some shady stuff, so
you're coming to Hawaii.
I get to Hawaii.
He retired two weeks prior.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
And I was like, wow, that was sweet.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
And so it was kind of cool Three years roaming the
island 30 miles around in acircle.
It's fun, especially when youcan go.
Being in the Pacific Air Forceyou get to travel back to Japan,
korea.
You also get to go back to DCand other headquarters offices

(37:21):
to pitch ideas for the command.
So I was either going five-hourtime zone east or five-hour
time zone west.
Wow, and it was just like, andwhen you had to do it in
back-to-back weeks you had noclue what time zone you were in.
But it was a great assignmentbecause we had a great bunch of
guys there at the time and evento this day I'm still friends

(37:44):
with some of them because allroads from there led to DC when
I ended up on staff there andsome of the people that were in
Hawaii are actually here in DCarea still.
Yeah, I kind of figured thatwould happen and some of the
people that were in Hawaii areactually here in DC area still.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I kind of figured that would happen.
I mean, if you're flying intoDC all the time, you're making
those connections and it's myguess is it was a relatively
easy transition.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Somewhat, I mean everywhere I kept moving to,
kept getting more and moreexpensive.
So it's like, okay, I'm basedin Japan, not too bad, hawaii
getting more and more expensive.
So it's like, okay, on base inJapan, not too bad, hawaii, a
little bit more expensive.
I mean milk $5 a gallon back inthe late 90s.
And you're like, wow, okay.
And then you turn around andget to come to DC and it kept
going up.

(38:30):
So after that it was like,where do I go?
So I did a joint organization.
Then I did joint staff.
After that it was like, wheredo I go?
So I did a joint organization,then I did joint staff after
that.
So I did three years therebecause general croon pulled me
up and then I'm like, okay, boss, where do I go?
He's like, well, you need to goback to another major command.
I'm like, okay, you need to gohere and you may or may not make

(38:50):
colonel after reading therecords, because it the higher
you climb, the harder.
It is Right and it sometimesit's being in the right place at
the right time.
It's not necessarily thatyou're a bad person, but they
only have so many slots, right,right.
And I ended up going from thereback to Scott Air Force Base,

(39:13):
which is outside of St Louis.
From there back to Scott AirForce Base, which is outside of
St Louis, and I was there forlike 10 months and they had a
no-notice command slot thatpopped open and I went to
Colonel Matthews, the commandlead for comm, and was like,
okay, should I take this commandjob Because it's outside the

(39:34):
communications career field,running a military entrance
processing station?
So everybody that recruitersbring in these guys vet them.
And so I was like what do youthink?
And he's like well, my dad wasthe Phoenix MEPS commander back
in the day, so if you want it, Ithink you should go for it.
So I only spent 11 months inIllinois and went to LA for the

(39:58):
next three years and two months.
Um, and it turned out it wasthe largest MEPS in the U?
S and had all sorts ofheadaches, um, but we ended up
getting recognition and ran intoa few uh investigations that I
stumbled onto someirregularities and they're like

(40:19):
okay.
Next, you know cid is visitingand arresting recruiters for
some shady business, but oh, wowturns out the, the army
recruiting commander for thewhole entire u?
uh the general.
There happened to be thegeneral that I worked for when I

(40:41):
was in the?
Uh, the joint organization inthe national military command
center about that and and it wasjust like because it's weird,
you never know who you crosspaths with right again.
I mean so you never rule number,never burn a bridge, exactly
Because it will come back tohaunt you and bite you sometimes
.
But he was there and the stuffthat I had stumbled on.

(41:05):
He decided to have all hisbattalion commanders in the
local area because he had firedthe.
They had fired the localbattalion commander on the stuff
I found out, fired the localbattalion commander on the stuff
I found out and the replacementguy.
He and I started workingtogether and they brought me in
and I just stayed in the back ofthe room and he called me out
in the middle of all thebattalion guys saying, hey, do

(41:25):
like what Wolf is doing, alongwith the battalion CO there.
That's how you got to do it.
You got to team up, you got towork together.
You cannot have frictionbecause we all have a job to get
done and the country needs us.
So we did that.
I mean we MEPS went the way wewere running it because it was
hard recruiting days.

(41:46):
During the time I was there, Iwas in at 5 30 in the morning
and I wouldn't leave till 11o'clock at night and I wouldn't
leave till 11 o'clock at night,so when was this?
This was 2005, 2008.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Wow Okay.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
And it was.
They had to do mission monthdays because they were still
behind.
So there were two weeks wherewe were doing six days a week.
I mean doing it Saturday aswell, because we just swamped
and even the Marines were havinga really hard time.
There was one Marine unit thatwas trying to get mission and
they had their last kid.

(42:25):
But I had sent all my doctorshome and I called up Spokane.
I'm like, hey, yolanda, can youhas this guy come through your
line?
So the Marines put him on aplane, got him up there, got
them through their dock so theycan make what they call mission
month.
They have a certain quota theygot to make and Yolanda helped
them make 108 mission monthsstraight.

(42:46):
Wow, wow, otherwise that streakwould have been broken.
And this CO, he pulled out allthe stops, he was bringing them
all through the board and thedocks.
I mean he pulled out all thestops, he was bringing them all
through the board and the docs,I mean my, my docs had the
integrity.
He's like sorry, you're notqualified, we can't put you
through.
And so they were bringingeverybody.

(43:07):
They needed X amount that werequalified and they're like, ah,
they're throwing the kitchensink, almost what would stick.
And they finally got the lastone up to spokane and he passed
and they made the mission andtheir marine uh general came out
and did personal handshakes toeverybody that helped out on
that process and I ran into himwhen I went back to joint staff

(43:30):
the next time and he was a threestar at that in time it was
kind of weird sitting next tohim again in one of the meetings
.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's crazy.
But 108 mission months in a row, that's nine years.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Yeah, that's amazing Orange County is in that little
nexus between Camp Pendleton and.
LA Right.
So there's a lot of formermilitary dependence of military.
That kind of helps them getover that hump Right.

(44:07):
And it also covers theRiverside Air Force Base, march
Air Force Base, that's overthere, temecula and things like
that.
So then you go down to SanDiego, which is a big Navy town,
but San Diego had its own mapsand that was kind of the cool
thing being, even though I wasLA and we were largest, I also

(44:29):
owned what we call a clustercommander, so I had Sacramento,
san Jose, phoenix and San Diegounder my command, as well as
satellites, if you will, eventhough they were independent.
So, but we coordinated.
Here's a new process, here'ssomething new to try.
We tested 26,000 kids a year inthe high schools just to see if

(44:52):
they could qualify.
It was big stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I'm sure my goodness.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Yeah, so ended up from there, came back heading to
Air Staff but didn't getpromoted at that point in time.
So I was like, okay, once youdon't make that first pass,
sometimes that's it.
But General Maluta, let me jumpinto a special project program
and I went up in the three, thethree star chief, assistant,

(45:22):
vice chief of staff picked me upand let me do this job, which
is a startup, because we didn'thave a chief of staff at that
time, because he got fired, andso everybody the a3, a8,
everybody at this peer levelwere fighting right, and so they
needed this thing to coordinatethings so that at least the

(45:42):
vice chief could say thingsright with one what we call one
voice, and it was kind of cool.
And after that I got picked upand got.
It was a surprise.
I'm like, okay, hon, you readyto do another three years,
because she's like you're still.
After that I got picked up andgot.
It was a surprise.
I'm like, okay, hon, you readyto do another three years, cause
she's like you're still going.
I'm like you tell me Right.

(46:05):
And then I went to joint staffagain and that's where I ran
into try on and became adivision chief, got pulled up to
the DOD chief informationoffice for two years.
But then again, colonel's groupdoesn't work like any normal
assignment system.
You go where they tell you, youdo not talk to them, you do not

(46:26):
say boo, otherwise you get theworst assignment you could ever
imagine.
And I was doing a specialproject that the deputy CIO had
started and he called up thecolonel's group for me and said,
yes, I know you're going totalk to him about going to
Germany again, to go to Garmisch, which is a great spot, but

(46:50):
it's like I need him to finishthis out.
But the colonel's group said,ok, you get one free year and

(47:12):
then he has to move.
I was like, okay, I'm good, butmoving horses kids, junior and
senior in high school.
And it was like, okay, let'sretire.
So I retired military at thatpoint in time and then I joined.
It's like okay, 90 days leave,go back to contract.
Ended up with Booz Allen, let'stry the civilian commercial
world.
See if I can survive andsucceed in that world.
Well, the deputy CIO found outI worked for Booz Allen and they

(47:32):
, by name, requested me to comeback as a contractor to work for
them again.
So I got stuck right back withthe same shop that I left and
then I did 10 years of thatbefore I finally pulled the plug
here.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, let's just put it this way.
I was surprised, but notsurprised because you know, you
kept telling me you were goingto retire.
You kept telling me this is it.
This is really it this time.
No, this is really it.
But I'm glad that you did,because I mean, you've done so
much.
You've done all that you can do.

(48:06):
It's somebody else's turn tostep up and start.
It's tough to let go.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
When you've done it so long.
I mean, even though I left 31January, I mean I still talk to,
like the last team I had ascontract team, the gal that I
brought back in.
I knew her all the way back in1989, 89 is how far back I went
with her and I finally convincedher to come on the job and

(48:34):
she'd been with me over a yearand a half and I finally
convinced her to come on the joband she'd been with me over a
year and a half and I'm like,okay, you need to do this.
She's like I don't know all thethings you did, because you
know the contracts and all thatand the budget, but she is a
great PM project manager and Ilet her run with that.
I had a great satellitecommunications, so we had a
great team, but then we're nowin a budget shrink and DISA had

(48:58):
started having to cut back andbut I'm still helping them.
Okay, where do you need to go?
Make connections for them tokeep the team going, because
that's rule number one Right,take care of your team.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Take care of your team Well.
God bless you, man.
I appreciate everything thatyou do, have done and continue
to do, because you know it's abig responsibility, especially
doing what you were doing.
You know a lot of times doingthings that we don't even know
about, that, we don't want toknow about, that have to be done

(49:33):
, that have to be done, want toknow about that have to be done.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
That have to be done and I'm still somewhat in the on
the hook in the background,because the office has still
called me three times now to tryand get me to come back.
Because Congress approved moneyfor the project that I drafted
for the strategy for and theydropped the money this year.
So he's like one October youcan come back and lead up a team

(50:00):
to implement the billion dollarprogram and I was like but I
don't like the commute here inDC.
No no, commutes are a killer,but all the systems we got to
touch.
You can't take it home Right,you have to do it in the office,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So what are you gonna do?

Speaker 6 (50:20):
um, I told them I could do part-time, I could do a
couple hours a day if they'rereally serious, but I don't have
to do all the legwork.
I can be the orchestraconductor because even to this
day, he's a civilian three-starequivalent.

(50:42):
Right now, okay, he calls me up, asks the question and I can
answer it still to this day,because I was one of the few
people that knows it inside andout.
Right, and there's only, likeyou can probably count them on
one hand, how many people knewall the material that we're
doing across the department?
Yeah, and so they need peoplethat can connect A to B, to C to

(51:08):
D, right?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
No, and I think that's you know, in a way it's
good because you've got controlover a small group of people.
But in a way it's good becauseyou've got control over a small
group of people, but in a wayit's not so good because if
something happens to somebodyright, Because I mean that
institutional knowledge.
I mean, what do you do?

Speaker 6 (51:30):
All my files are in the cloud officially now on what
we call the low side and thehigh side.
Unfortunately, the three peopleI tried to groom to replace me
none of them wanted my job.
They're like, we don't like wedon't want to deal with the
headaches you've been dealingwith.
I'm like, but that's what camewith the job.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Right, that's what you have to do, and it's well,
Dave, you know, it's just likeanything else there's good
things about every job, there'sbad things about every job, and
you know if you just have todeal with it right, I mean it
just.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
I mean I've had bad bosses throughout my career.
Thankfully, I've had betterones than bad ones, and all my
promotions even though I was AirForce, all my promotions came
on the tail end of working in ajoint environment, working for
an army person above me.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
So luck of the draw.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
I mean I was commissioned by a Navy captain
and I was retired by an armygeneral.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
How about that?
And I've had Air Forcepromotions in the middle.
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
I don't know if you heard thelast podcast, but Warren Hodges
in the Navy, one time when he Ithink it was his second
re-enlistment he was re-enlistedin a building that was named

(52:51):
after his grandfather, cool, ona military base, I mean you know
.
So there's a lot of these coolstories like that and like, like
what you're doing, you know orwhat you did and you know the,
the, the teamwork and being ableto work with, with different

(53:14):
people in different environments, from different branches, it
branches, it's so important andyou know.
Again, I think most people seeor think that the Army is over
here doing this and the Navy isover here doing this and the Air
Force is over there doing that.
There isn't ever really anymission where we're not all
working together anyway.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
It's not even just the US Right, where we're not
all working together anyway.
It's not even just the US Right.
I mean, when I was in Europe Idid a six-month I guess you
could temporary duty opening theMarshall Center in Garmisch,
germany, back in the day, whenall the NATO ministers of
defense and four stars and theWarsaw Pact in the day, with

(53:57):
their ministers of defense andfour stars came in for an
official ending of the cold war.
Wow.
And and I as a oh, you're justcommonserate, hey, we need your
help.
Let's we gotta do somebilateral talks, so we need your
help with translation stuff.
So I got to meet had SecretaryAspen I think Les Aspen and the

(54:19):
Russian Minister of Defense in aprivate session and meet them
on the side to help them dotheir thing.
And you get to learn to dealwith protective services detail,
all the things that aren't inyour normal career field.
You just you have to adapt, youdo and that's that's you have
to adapt, you do, and that'sthat's, that's everyday life.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Let's talk.
Let's talk about golf a littlebit.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
I mean, oh no, here we go.
Handicap sucks right now.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So so, dave, I've known you for for at least 10
years, right?
I mean at least.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Yep, we're at 10 years.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
And you've taken over or started the Senior DC Tour.
Is this your third year?

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Yeah, Started late on the first year, but we got
rolling second year and we're onthe third.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yes, and things are going really well.
I mean, you've got a good group.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
I've got a good core group.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
You do which everybody needs, every tour has
and every tour needs to be ableto grow.
And number one DC market'stough.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
It is, it just is.
Prices have gone, haywire thisyear Haywire yeah, yeah, I mean
Whiskey Creek.
I couldn't even get on WhiskeyCreek because they wouldn't give
me before 2 PM and they wanted160 bucks at 2.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
PM.
Yeah, and that's, and that'sbefore you.
You do what you gotta do, andthat's before adding anything
else to it.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
Right, so I was just like so I I've been hunting
around, but they like it because, like what you and Jen
originally did, the core groupwe have they enjoy finishing the
round.
A lot of people aren't justleaving right after the round.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Right.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
We hang around and there's crosstalk.
I mean this last Saturday I wasgolfing with John Smith and Ken
Jones, two guys from A-Flight,and because sometimes we don't
have enough, and Ken Jones, twoguys from A-Flight, and because
sometimes we don't have enough,I'm mixing B and C, right, and
they learn each other and theysit down and talk about the game
, talk about the course andother things in life, right, and

(56:25):
they like the family atmosphereagain.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
And we're pulling up newcourses that they've never heard
of, never played before, andthey're like, hey, and pulling
up new courses that they'venever heard of, never played
before, and they're like hey,and even though I think the
majority of them didn't play aswell as they thought or hoped,
they want to put it back on theschedule again next year.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, so you're talking about Sly Fox, right?

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
So tell us about that course, because that is a new
course that we'd never been on.
And where is it and what do youlike about it?

Speaker 6 (56:57):
It's out in Front Royal area.
Okay, it's one exit past.
Well, actually you can take thesame exit that you do for Blue
Ridge Shadows.
Okay, yeah, yeah, exit six.
But you turn at the red lightbefore and you go another few
miles west of that.
But the terrain is a lot ofundulation and unfortunately

(57:23):
they had aerated greens aboutthree weeks prior and they
hadn't completely closed.
But aside from that, readingthe greens and the slope, just
when you think it's going tobreak one way, it went the other
way and you're just like, okay,that shouldn't have happened.
And and it's just the gotchas.

(57:44):
When yeah okay, there's.
There's a hit that the hidden,uh little ravine marsh to the
right that you couldn't seebecause there's a lot of blind
shots okay so when you have theblind shots, that are like but
all in all they're like okay,the fairways were decent shape,
the grass was taken, the roughwas a little bit thicker and it
was hard to get out of in somecases.

(58:05):
But people just struggle withputting at that at the end.
Chris, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I know the feeling.

Speaker 6 (58:15):
Yeah, I know the feeling.
Yeah, I mean my putting camearound.
After what was it Black Rock,when we did that one.
Cause I putting has been mystrength throughout what I've
done, cause I can save my roundthat way.
But man, I was three puttingthat day like crazy, and so I

(58:35):
redeemed myself did a practiceround at Bull Run and Sly Fox.
Okay, no, no, more than two puttGot it.
Cool, we're good, we're gettingit back again.
But when, when parts of yourgame go off, it just drives you
nuts sometimes, yep Well whatabout Breton Bay?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
What's that course like?

Speaker 6 (58:57):
Breton Bay is going to be June 19th and 20th.
Um, that one is like links atPerry cabin.
They're both a lot of wateraround the course, so I wanted
to give people a challenge forthe two day.
It's a private club down by PaxRiver Dahlgren area.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
So Bretton Bay, we're looking forward to.
Um, they it's a challenge fromwhat everybody said and they
just have to keep it dry.
That's the biggest thing.
That's.
That's always a key.
Yeah, well, that that's goingto be the wake-up call for
everybody, because ourseason-ending championship kind

(59:41):
of thing is the two-day at links, at perry cabin, over by st
michael's.
Like you go towards queenstownharbor, go south, hit st
michael's and if you look on thewebsite, island green water,
yeah, you got a fairway thatends in a green that sticks out
in the water.
So if you're long, you're.
It's like, uh, atlantic dunes,number nine.

(01:00:05):
I believe.
But the greens, the green sticksout even more in the water than
what Atlantic dunes does.
Atlantic Dunes does, Hmm, so itI mean, but it's so pristine
and um, using some of the, thesponsorship and some of the
other funds from throughout theyear to help defray the costs on

(01:00:26):
that, because otherwise I'd becharging people 500 for the two
days.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Wow.
Well, it's, it's, it's, it's agood price at at a 385 right now
.
I mean you know you talk aboutthe prices in C going up, but
you've got some really gooddeals Like Locust Hill for $99,
that's a steal Stoneleaf for$115 is a steal.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
I'm trying to get it so that people can afford to
maybe come into the seniorbecause retirees.
Yeah, I'm already dipping intoa little bit in the investments
because I'm not eligible forSocial Security or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
That's because you've got to retire, I mean you have
to stop working.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
I stopped working, but I'm not old enough.
I'm still a young pup, so tospeak.
Okay, almost, Almost, eventhough the gray hair doesn't
tell you much.
At least I have hair still.
My cousin lost his hair at 29.
Oh geez, oh my God, I'mprobably one of the only guys in

(01:01:26):
my family chain that still hashair.
I'm lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
You are lucky.
You are lucky.
Well, dave, I appreciateeverything that you do.
You know your service, yourfriendship.
I love what you're doing withthe senior guys.
Thanks so much for joining usand tell everybody down there
we're up there, I say hi.

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Will do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
You take care, we'll talk to you soon All right
Thanks.
Tim, let's take a break fromthe show to hear about Strixon's
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Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Chris, I'm really glad we got to have Dave on.
He's much more modest than whathe was.
Some of the things that he'sdone.
He's one of the types, he's oneof the people that if he told

(01:02:37):
you some of the things he'd haveto kill you.
Oh shit, you know with with hissecurity clearances and some of
the things he's worked on, someof the things he knows.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Some things he's been involved in.
Um, you know that that's thekind of level, that that, that,
that he's at uh working in thePentagon last 10 years.
Uh, you know some of thosetypes of things, um, but
obviously you know great guy uhdown down to earth.

(01:03:15):
No you could tell that hiswhole persona is about service.
Right, he's doing a great jobin the DC tour for the seniors.
It's a tough market right nowwith courses and prices, but

(01:03:36):
he's doing a really good job.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, I mean he's doing a really good job.
Yeah, I mean it's.
He's traveled the world.
You know, bringing up thatstory with the signing for the
cold war, I can imagine otherstories that he could.
He has that he can't even talkabout.
Yeah, but I mean you know, likewe talked to everybody's, it
seems like golf is getting moreexpensive because the popularity

(01:03:58):
is getting up there.
So everybody around thepopularity is getting up there,
so everybody around the countryis feeling it.
But from what you know I waslooking at he's done a really
good job with what he's got andI mean you can just keep getting
it better and better everyevent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, but think about this have we ever had an
episode where two people havelived in Hawaii on the same
episode?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Right, that was pretty cool, for that Got it.
I mean, especially with all theveterans and military guys that
we have had on here.
I don't think we've had oneepisode and for all our
listeners.
It wasn't planned, we don'tknow where these guys have gone
or where they've served, and tohave two there, and I mean it

(01:04:44):
wasn't just like, oh, I stoppedthere to refuel, like they were
there for a good while, sothat's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, but both our guests, you know great stories,
both retired military, you knowit's.
You know I've told you before,may is my favorite month.
You know doing this becauseit's we're focusing on our

(01:05:12):
veterans.
And you know we've got MemorialDay.
Memorial Day is coming up nextweek and when we're talking to
veterans, we have to rememberthat Memorial Day isn't about
veterans.
It's about those that havegiven us all that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
For sure.
I mean, it's a big deal and Ithink sometimes it gets
forgotten.
I think sometimes it getsforgotten.
Uh I know, last year when wedid, uh, american dunes, you
know it, it makes you remember,um, or maybe sometimes some
people even learn the sacrificethat that people make for us, uh
, so since then it's been, it'sbeen a bigger how do I say this?

(01:06:16):
It's a bigger part of my lifeto at least remember, you know,
everybody that's given, like yousaid, given the ultimate
sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, yeah.
So thank you to all ourveterans, thank you to all our
active duty.
We really do appreciate whatyou do for the country and glad
you're with us with the tour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yes sir, definitely for the country, and and glad
you're with us with the tour.
Yes, sir, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
But you know we've got, we've got.
Uh, I mentioned in in theopening we we had 12 nominees
for the April member of themonth and you know, as I was
looking through they were, theywere solid.
You know Dennis had his workcut out for him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, I mean, we gathered themall up and there were some good
stories, some good nominations.
We've got to teach LouisianaNorth to not hold down the all
caps when they send in theirnominations.
But that's neither here northere, and if she's not

(01:07:25):
listening she doesn't get thejokes Too bad.
But you know, dennis took histime, he read over it and I
think, like you said, he had atough decision to make.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I think, like you said, he had a tough decision to
make, but I do want to announceit tonight.
But let's just go through, andyou know, with so many we can't
read all of the nominations likewe've done in the past.
It's just they're so good, wejust don't have that time.
So let's just go ahead and godown the list.

(01:08:17):
So Alabama submitted anotherstrong nomination in Blake
Pipkin.
Blake.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Pipkin yeah, california.
Although we were going from oneside of the country to the
other, julian Vo was theirnomination, was their nomination
, and then Cleveland Akron wasJoe Murky's M-E-R-K-Y-S.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I said it right, joe Indiana, western Kentucky, wayne
Fugati, fugat, fugate, fugate,fugate.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
See, you're going to get me in trouble with all these
names.
He's not Fugazi, he's FugateWayne, fugate, fugate, see
you're going to get me introuble with all these names.
He's not Fugazi, he's Fugate,wayne Fugate, thank you.
Now Louisiana North is KevinOdom, and I do want to say
something about Kevin real quick.
You know, obviously we had himon, you know, a few weeks ago
and he was really close towinning three in a row.
No the hell, that third.

(01:09:24):
I believe he was sick for thatthird tournament and ended up
finishing second place beingsick.
But Kevin close.
And thank you, gina, fornominating Kevin out of
Louisiana North for the AprilMember of the Month.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yep, I mean that would have been cool to have our
first free Peter on here, butwe live, or we survive to live
another day with just us two.
Milwaukee we got Roger LaFave.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Roger LaFave.
Yeah, he's, oh Awesome.
Nashville Was Kevin Ingram.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Not the.
Was he a football player, kevinIngram?
No, not Different Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Kevin Ingram.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Right, right, new York Upstate.
Oh goodness, joni, restoDifferent.
Kevin Ingram Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Right New York Upstate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Oh goodness, Joni Resto.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Joni Resto Okay, north Central.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Florida was Michael Ray Yep.
St Louis was Albert Delamarte,delamarte, albert.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Delamarte, albert Delamarte yeah, awesome guy, I
don't want to get this wrong.
Delamater, delamater, albertDelamater yeah, awesome guy, I
don't want to get this wrong.
I'm not sure if he's stillserving or he's a veteran.
He may still be on active duty,just to put it that way.
So, albert, thank you so muchfor your service.

(01:10:57):
Buddy, and then Tidewater wasRichard DeJesus.
So another strong nominee fromthe Tidewater tour.
So thank you all tour directorsfor your nominations.
Thank you guys for doing whatyou do for the tour.
But the April member of themonth that came out of the
Charleston tour, that was MikeCobb.

(01:11:18):
So, mike Cobb, congratulations,and we'll get you scheduled on
the the the uh, next episode.
Yeah, and we'll we'll, we'llread, we'll read the winning
nomination at that point andhopefully get a tour director
Tim Sumption on um with that aswell.
Yeah, I, director Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Sumption with that as well.
Yeah, I mean I thought you knowit's getting down to nitty
gritty, honestly with all thenominations, but I mean there's
just some points on here thatjust kind of stands out and
congratulations, mike.
I can't wait to talk to youabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
It's going to be great.
It's going to be great.
So make sure everybody getsyour nominations in for May.
Remember they're due by June5th.
So get them in and let's makethis work a little bit.
Let's see if we can get 20nominations.
Make this work a little bit todo this.
But thank you so much.

(01:12:16):
Great, great nominations andhopefully we'll get mike on the
next episode yeah it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
It'd be nice to have to have him really think about
who he's gonna pick so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
So last episode, you know, we, we finally put the
stew subs to bed and I told you,jen took, took the shirt home,
uh, but I got the shirt herewith me, okay, so we've got a
nice stew sub shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
That's a cool shirt.
I'd rock that shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
No, this is actually.
I looked at it, it's a kid sizeshirt.
Um, it'd be, it'd be like anextra medium on you.
Um, but we'll figure somethingout, we, we, we do have to
figure out a contest uh to to,uh some for stew subs.
Um, yeah, they're, they're thebest, I just want a stew sub.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
That's all I want now .
Every time you bring it up, Ijust get really excited, and I
don't have one in town.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
So very very depressing.
You gotta.
There's only one way to get intown.
So very depressing you got to.
There's only one way to getstew subs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Only one way.
I know, I know, but if I haveit every day in Hentelhead, I'm
not.
I'm going to make theoverweight scale on the flight
home.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
What are you trying to?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
say, because I could have like two a sitting times
twice a day.
Why don't we have stew subs,catered nationals, might as well
?
Do that now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Oh boy, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yep, I'm just a can of worms, can of worms.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
So you know what's going to end up happening.
Okay, Dennis is going to sendthat over to Jennifer and I'm
going to.
She's going to be mad at me.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Look, I'm trying everything I can to to to not
cause any problems with them.
I mean they've got dude,they've.
They've got so much going on.
You know, I feel I feel bad forthem.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
And um, I mean they're, they're, they're really
going through it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
So seriously, I try to no problems.
No problems, but they'll getthrough it.
And when everybody comes toNationals in October, make sure
you, instead of Dennis buyingyou a beer, make sure you buy
Dennis a beer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty of beers out
there.
I think, so and whiskey andwine and scars.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
We don't want to talk about that too much, right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
yeah, that's, that's a the Masters Green Jacket Club
only a few.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Get in.
You had the beat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
The heat had a little bit of weather up there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
The Masters Green Jacket Club, only a few get in.
You had the beat, the heat.
Had a little bit of weather upthere this time we did, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
We saw rain, we saw wind, we saw sun, we saw a
little bit of hail, just alittle Okay.
But hey, man, unless it'scourse issues or lightning,
we're going to play and weplayed and crazy enough in the

(01:15:31):
rain we saw five under parscores in our champ flight that
course.
We saw some deer on the course.
We saw some elk on the course.
I had stories of elk takinggolf balls off the green and
just walking off with them.
Um, pretty cool, fun time.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
I saw on the on the sundaycourse.
I saw a hawk chase a littlebird in the sky.

(01:15:51):
Felt bad for a little bird butI don't think he made it.
It's circle life.
Oh, that hawk was chasing himfor a while, Poor guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Like a stew sub man yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yeah, but no, it was a good time.
It was a good time.
Yeah, almost had five playoffs,which would have been crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
That's nuts.
And if you had weather comingin, what would you have done?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
They still would have played.
Okay, they'd be like, get outthere, we're not doing no
putting contest, let's go.
No, let's go, we're going towait.
All right, go back to 18 andwe'll just cheer while you're
trying to putt and see how youcan deal with that pressure.
See, no, it was good, it was.

(01:16:42):
You know, my guys gave aspecial moment.
It was my, my oldest, 13thbirthday that sunday, wow.
Um.
So we brought cake and the guysang him happy birthday and he
really enjoyed that like it'sI'm sure when, when we run these
tours or we play on these tours, sometimes it's it's hard to
miss moments like that.
Yeah, so being able to takethem, you know, out of town and
just rent a cabin and have agood time, um, and then be able

(01:17:05):
to do that with with thememories, is he'll remember that
for a while yeah, good for himglad they enjoyed it.
Okay, I'll probably rememberthe cake more than the singing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I like cake too, so I probably remember cake too.
Anyway, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
What else you got going on?
Nothing much, man, Just gettingready.
July you might be by yourselffor an episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
I'll be going to Hawaii, yeah, unless we can
figure out something, unless youwant to figure out something
with a six-hour time zonedifference.
No, no, here's an idea.
Here's an idea From now untilmid-July, if somebody wins three
in a row, they can be yourco-host for that episode.

(01:18:01):
Oh boy, I threw it out there.
You better hope and pray.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
We'll see.
I actually do have a coupleideas, depending on how long
you're gone, but I don't want toannounce it yet because I
haven't talked to you about it.
I haven't talked to them aboutit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
We'll talk.
I'll only be gone for 12 days.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
So is it just you and your wife, or is it the whole
family?

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
As of right now, it's me, my wife and the boys.
Okay, we're celebrating myoldest being 13.
My youngest is now now doubledigits, which is kind of scary.
Um, and then me and my wife arecelebrating our 15th wedding
anniversary.
That's pretty awesome, just youknow a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
see, I thought I thought it was a wedding
anniversary trip and maybe itjust can be to you becauseyear,
because you guys need to getaway.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
We I mean we have plans.
Okay, the resort we're stayingat might have a kid zone that
they can go to, and we'll justhang out and figure something
out Kid jail.
You know there's.
We do travel a lot together,without the boys as well,
throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Okay, because you got to take care of her.
I mean, she lets you do allthis other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So Right, right it's, it is what it is.
But I mean, you know Jen also.
Well, I make her sign up my mycharging block, so I saw that I
saw that Like a librarian overhere with your matching outfits.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
That's true, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I'm going to put a picture of that in the show
notes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
No, we're not doing that, dude, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I tried.
I tried See.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
How mad she'd be.
Do you not have any idea howmad she would be if I took a
picture of her and didn't tellher and put it up on the show
notes?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I mean, could you imagine?
Well, you would tell her.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
No, I wouldn't Again.
I'm trying to stay out oftrouble, right, I want to be
good, I want to be good I wantto be good, right, right, you
know.
Anyways, I'm the troublemakerhere, I guess it it, it, you

(01:20:35):
know it, it is what it is.
Uh man, I think that's all wegot.
I guess it you know it is whatit is, uh man, I think that's
all we got.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
I think that's all we got once this airs, man, we're
almost halfway through the year,yeah, and I think we're at the
point now where every tour is infull swing, even the ones way
up north yeah, they're allthey're.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Yeah, they're all playing, they're all playing.
Yeah, we got to get Roger on.
I don't want to give it away,but you know something happened
this past weekend, from rulessaying it was you know, we were
copying on it, right, kind ofbizarre.
So hopefully we can get Roger onif not the next episode, the
one after that, because it'sbeen a while since I've had him

(01:21:22):
on.
But I do want to talk to himabout that.
I know how I would handle it,but I would be interested to see
what the official USGA is goingto say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I think that with that situation, I think
it's a good conversation to havefor players and directors, not
giving anything away, but itwill be a good conversation that
you don't want to miss in thenext coming episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
At the end of the month.
Let's put it this way if youhaven't gotten in, you know
signed up for some of themalready that's coming up at the
end of the month.
You're too late, too late, yep.
But so you got Memorial Day atPGA West, you got Treasure Coast

(01:22:19):
at the Wanamaker and DyeCourses in Port St Lucie, cajun
Classic and then the SunshineState Regional at Cabot Citrus
Farms.
Get on it.
And then, you know, middle ofJune, lowcountry Regional at
Fripp.
You heard Jamal talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
That's a great place, honestly, and you got the
Midwest Regional at Big Cedarthrough the end of June and then
we're getting down to it budyeah, before you know it, we'll
be seeing each other in Arizonaor we'll be seeing each other at
Nationals.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Yeah, let's hope so.
Hopefully Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
We'll make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
I'd like to get Arizona to work.
Also, I'd like to get CabinCitrus Farmers to work, but I'm
not sure that at this stagethat's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Yeah, that's a little close.
It's kind of close, but alsoremember everybody, we have our
raffle for the irons.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Irons yes, All you got to do is it's not like
you're giving me the money.
I mean I'll take it, but Venmome At Tim N-A, TimNATC, TimNATC.
Just send me Venmo.

(01:23:47):
Once we hit, what did we say?

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
100 entries now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Yeah, I think it was 100 entries, 10 bucks a pop.
We will raffle them off live onair in the old wheel of names.
There we go, how about that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I'm not going to spoil it now, but I'm working on
getting a big promotion withthe Western States and if a
winner comes out of the WesternStates, there's going to be a
nice prize for that.
So get ready, cause it mightkick up real soon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Okay, let's do it.
You'll announce that next time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
We'll announce that next time, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Awesome, lots of big announcements coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
It's like a pregnancy gender reveal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
See, I don't understand that stuff.
I know, whatever man, I justroll along, yeah.
But the funny thing is, neitherone of my kids were into that
either.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Well, I don't, I mean , when did they have their kids?

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
So my youngest will be one in July, July 7th.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Okay Then maybe.
Yeah, I was going to saythey're like older, I don't
think it was a thing back thenno, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
And then you know, my oldest just turned five.
That's why you know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, I can see that I'll.
I'll allow that that comment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Allow it, allow it, yep.
Yeah, I don't understand it,but I just do it up to as a
grandfather.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
I just do whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
You tell me what to do, and that's what I do.
You know how it is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Again, I'm trying to stay out of trouble.
Well, I don't know how it is,but I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
All you got to do is just stay out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I try, I try my best.
That's all I can say, oh mygoodness.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Alright, my friend, good luck, have fun, we'll talk
to you soon.
Best to everybody, make sureyou tell Diane Happy Mother's
Day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Likewise and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Tell your son it's a happy birthday.
I don't want him mad at meeither.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
We'll talk to you soon later.
Thank you.

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