November 5, 2024 • 55 mins
What if a seemingly ordinary night could change everything? That's the haunting question we grapple with as we explore the disappearance of Karlie Guse', a 16-year-old who vanished under baffling circumstances in October 2018. Her story starts with a night out that spiraled into paranoia and fear, possibly fueled by drugs. We recount the events leading up to her disappearance, from her impromptu attendance at a party to unsettling audio recordings that capture her terrified state. Was it just marijuana, or was something more sinister involved?
The investigation unfolds with a closer look at the theories surrounding Karlie's disappearance. Could she have wandered into the desert, or did she encounter danger on Highway 6? We dissect witness accounts and forensic data to unravel the mystery, all while considering the scrutiny faced by her stepmother, Melissa. Her online presence and public statements have drawn attention and speculation, highlighting the intense pressure that comes with such a tragic case. We navigate these complexities, examining the impact of public perception and the emotional toll on Karlie's family.
Finally, we delve into the broader implications of Karlie's case. The ongoing investigation, with its twists and turns, underscores the challenges faced by authorities and the community's unwavering determination to find answers. Despite extensive search efforts and potential leads, Karlie's fate remains a mystery. Join us as we reflect on the search for truth, the importance of empathy in times of crisis, and the pursuit of justice in the wake of Karlie Guse's disappearance.
Sources:
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/karlie-lain-guse
https://allthatsinteresting.com/karlie-guse
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/case-of-missing-california-teen-leads-to-nevada-2917690/
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=823442408444023
https://www.foxnews.com/us/she-wanted-to-read-the-bible-and-panicked-something-was-going-to-kill-her-uncomfortable-questions-surround-the-case-of-missing-california-teen
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
It goes without saying that drugs can make a
person become someone they'renot.
They twist the mind intobelieving things that aren't
true and see things that aren'tthere.
Delusion and paranoia worktogether, forming a deadly
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cocktail to consume the brain,making you believe that the
people who love you are nowwanting to kill you.
Nothing is the way it was, andeverything you thought you knew
no longer exists.
You know it sounds crazy whenyou say it out loud, but you
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cannot convince your mind.
It's not true.
The paranoia comes and goes asyou step into reality, just for
a moment and just long enough tobe reminded that you are safe
and you are loved, only to besubmerged into that dark,
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delusional world once again, theworld where your friends are no
longer your friends and peopleare not who they say they are.
For 16-year-old Carly Gusset,this was the world she fell into
on the night of October 12,2018.
A small gathering with friendsthat would end up pushing her
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out of reality and send herspinning into a series of
delusional events that wouldultimately end with her
disappearance.
This is the case of CarlyGusset, and this is Gone in a
Blink is Gone in a Blink.
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Hey, true crime fans, I'm yourhost, heather, and I'm Danielle.
Welcome to episode 28 of Gonein a Blink.
I hope everyone had a happyHalloween.
The weather here was really,really nice, although we didn't
have as many trick-or-treatersas we normally do, so, needless
to say, I had a lot of candy toget rid of, so I was literally
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handing it out by the handfulsto all these trick-or-treaters.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Did you get many trick-or-treaters where you live
?
I'd say a little bit more thanwe had last year.
I mean so maybe 10trick-or-treaters versus, I
think, only last year maybe likethree.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was crazy.
Yeah, we had a lot last seasonand so I really tried to prep.
We bought, I think, four bags,maybe five bags of candy, and
even though it was beautiful out, there just wasn't as many
people with their porch lightson.
So I don't know if that waspart of why there weren't as
many trick or treaters, or a lotmore people are doing the trunk
or treat now, so maybe a lotdid that and you know that could
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have had an effect.
But needless to say, I've got Istill have way too much candy
to get rid of because we weren'tthe only ones that were giving
handfuls of candy out.
So my kids go trick or treatingand everywhere they go they're
giving massive handfuls outbecause they're trying to get
rid of their candy, and so nowpretty much everything that I
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got rid of handing it out hascome back to me through my kids.
But it was fun none the less.
So today's case is one out ofMono County, california.
Today we are discussing thecase of Carly Gousset, so if
you're ready, let's jump rightin.
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Carly Lane Gousset was born onMay 13, 2002 to parents Lindsay
Fairley and Zachary Gousset.
Her parents divorced when shewas just two years old and Carly
had been living with her motheruntil Lindsay decided to make
the move to Nevada.
Carly wanted to stay with herfriends and everything she knew
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about California.
You know, she's 16 years old,she doesn't want to leave her
school and all of her friendsand everything she knew about
California.
You know, she's 16 years old,she doesn't want to leave her
school and all of her friends,so it was then that she moved in
with her dad and her stepmother, melissa in Bishop California.
She grew up with her threebrothers, kane, cole and Cody,
and attended Bishop Union HighSchool, where she was described
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as being very sweet and veryquiet.
On the evening of October 12,2018, carly told her father,
zach, and her stepmother,melissa, that she was going to
attend a high school footballgame.
Instead, carly went with herboyfriend, donald Arrowood III,
to a small party where they hungout talking and laughing with
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friends.
However, around 8 pm that night, things would take a very dark
turn.
Carly had been smokingmarijuana with her boyfriend and
some of her other friends atthe party when suddenly she
began acting very erratic.
It was reported that, accordingto Donald, carly became
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frightened of the music and theneven became frightened of him.
She had fallen into a deepstate of paranoia.
She called her stepmother,melissa, and admitted that she
had not in fact gone to thefootball game, like she had told
her parents, but instead wentto a party, and she begged
Melissa to pick her up rightaway.
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Melissa jumped in her car andmade her way to the house where
the party was being held.
However, when she got there,she learned that Carly had
already fled the party on foot.
Melissa drove around andeventually located Carly running
down a dark, deserted road.
She pulled up to her and Carlyjumped into the back seat of the
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car immediately, and she wasacting extremely paranoid even
after Melissa drove away andtried to assure her that she was
safe.
So, according to Fox News, shereportedly told Melissa that she
was scared and she changedseats within the vehicle
multiple times, telling Melissathat she thought the car was
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going to kill her.
Once they arrived at home, theparanoia continued, so much so
that her father thought that themarijuana had been laced with
something more powerful, becauseof the state of panic that she
was in, but also because of howlarge her pupils were dilated.
Carly had smoked marijuana withher boyfriend in the past, and
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just a few weeks before, she hada couple of adverse reactions
to it, where she did becomeparanoid, telling friends that
she was worried that someone wastracking her on her cell phone.
However, she never had areaction anything close to what
she experienced on this night.
So Carly's dad even decided torecord their conversation with
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Carly in the hopes of playing itfor her at a later time to show
her just how paranoid the drugwas making her, kind of like a
tool to deter her from everusing it again type thing.
The conversation was recordedfor eight minutes and 45 seconds
and shows how deeply paranoidCarly really was, and I have a
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portion of that conversationthat I want to play for you.
This is Carly talking to herstepmother and fearing that
Melissa is going to kill her.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is the audio of Carly and it's in my pocket, so
it's kind of loud and scuffly.
Melissa, do you want to take ashower?
It'll make you feel better.
No, you're going to kill me.
Carly, listen to what you justsaid to me, what you said.
You're going to kill me.
Don't kill me.
Why would I kill you?
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That's preposterous.
That's ridiculous.
I'm eating the devil's lettuce.
You're eating lettuce that Ijust freshly chopped, that I
bought from the grocery store.
I don't know why I'm justthinking that.
Why do you think it's thedevil's lettuce?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Because I'm just thinking all these demonic stuff
and I can't help it, you'reokay, you wouldn't call them.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are you looking like then?
You just said you wouldn't.
Would you call them 911?
If, for what reason?
If there was an emergency?
If there was an emergency, yes,I would always call 911.
Yeah, what are you doing?
What are?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
you doing.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't know, I have to look at you.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
No, you don't, is it because I'm?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
ugly?
No, you're not.
You're beautiful, you're ugly.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Okay, so in that clip clearly she's very upset, she's
very distraught, she soundsvery panicked, she is afraid.
She's afraid for her life forsome reason.
I mean, obviously I think it'sbecause of the drug, but she is.
Her voice is very shaky andshe's talking about talking
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about the devil's lettuce whenher mom made a salad.
So what is your take on thatwhole thing?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
She definitely sounds very paranoid.
The devil's lettuce isn't thatanother term for weed?
I feel like I've heard thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, that's a good point.
That could be.
I don't know.
I don't know, I'm not asfamiliar with that terminology,
but it's a good point.
That could be.
I don't know, I don't know, I'mnot as familiar with that
terminology, but it's a goodpoint.
But in this case she could havebeen referencing that.
But her mom did make her asalad and she was afraid that
the lettuce in that salad wasthe devil's lettuce.
But she could also have beenreferring to the marijuana that
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she smoked earlier, although Ifeel like I'd have to agree with
her dad.
I feel like whatever causedthis state of mind for her had
to have been more than marijuana.
I feel like maybe it was laced,and that happens a lot.
That happens so much,especially, you know, I don't
know maybe back in 2018.
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That was in 2018.
You hear about a lot more nowwith fentanyl and things like
that.
I think you hear about thatmore now than you did back in
2018.
But it doesn't mean that itwasn't still happening.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, exactly that I mean.
And a lot of places, weed islegalized now, and so there's a
lot more people that are usingthat recreationally.
I know some that use it daily.
I guess that is such a scarything In 2018, yes, you didn't
hear about it as much, but Imean, of course it was still
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happening, but now even more so,that it would be a really scary
thing to not know, like, wherethat weed had came from, and you
have to be really cautious.
I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So, like I said, that was just a portion of the audio
.
So, just in case there wereparts of that clip that were
hard to hear or parts that werenot played because it was an
eight minute clip, that was theoriginal was an eight minute
clip.
So Carly is heard saying Ireally messed up today.
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Melissa responds we all dothings in life that we regret,
drugs especially.
I don't believe this was in theclip, though, but Carly later
accuses Melissa of wanting tokill her, and Melissa asks her
why she would want to kill herand tells her that that's
preposterous.
Carly then responds I'm justthinking all this demonic stuff,
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I can't help it.
So Melissa and Zach try forquite some time to calm Carly
down.
Throughout the entire night sheseems to be going in and out of
her paranoid state and at timesasking Melissa to paint her
nails with her and then colorand coloring books as well.
She's in that happy, calmmoment.
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Then she becomes paranoid again, making requests to pray and
read the Bible.
Melissa claims that she talkedCarly into eating something,
hoping that would help her snapout of this delusional state she
was in.
So she made Carly a salad, likeI mentioned earlier.
However, carly took a few bitesbefore pushing it away, stating
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that it was made with thedevil's lettuce.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
A couple of things with.
That is interesting to me.
But it could be nothing, andmaybe it's just that the way I
grew up, or whatever, I'm kindof surprised that she made her a
salad.
I mean, I don't know, maybeshe's vegetarian or something,
but I guess, to snap out of it,I would think of something a
little hardier.
Or, honestly, maybe I just gotcandy on the brain because of
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Halloween, but what are yourthoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I did think it was kind of unusual, because a salad
is generally not very filling.
Maybe Carly wasn't really thathungry to begin with.
I don't know.
I probably would have went withsome toast or something like
that, something very simple.
But she went with a salad.
Maybe they had that for dinnerand she was just like grabbing
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something out of the fridge.
Hey, we have leftover salad,eat something.
I get eating something.
But I caught that too.
So Carly then asked Melissa ifshe would lay down with her in
her bedroom.
Carly was tired and shedefinitely needed to get some
rest, but she was terrified tobe by herself.
She was absolutely terrified toleave Melissa's side.
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So Melissa claims that she laidin Carly's room.
Initially, melissa stated thatshe had checked on Carly around
5.45 am, indicating that at somepoint in the night she had left
Carly's room.
She stated that Carly was stillin her room at that time.
But when she checked on heragain at 7.15 am, carly's room,
she stated that Carly was stillin her room at that time, but
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when she checked on her again at7 15 am, carly was gone.
She later recanted her storyand said that she had spent the
entire night in Carly's roomwith her but had fallen asleep
and when she woke up around 7 15, carly was no longer in her bed
.
Now this change in storyalthough I don't feel that it is
a major change in her timelineonline sleuths have really tore
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into her over this and we willintroduce some of those theories
in a little while.
To search the entire house, theynoticed that Carly's cell phone
was sitting on the kitchencounter, which they thought was
pretty odd.
They then began to search theneighborhood.
After searching theneighborhood for roughly two
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hours, zach called Carly'smother Lindsay to tell her what
happened.
He then filed a missing personsreport with the Mono County
Sheriff's Department.
Carly's mother Lindsay recalledon an episode of Fox News the
day her ex-husband informed herthat Carly was missing.
She is quoted as saying quoteat 9.35 am on October 13th, I
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was notified by her father, myex-husband, that she was gone.
Gone to me is a huge red flagand it has never set easily with
me unquote.
So Carly's mother has her owntheories of what may have
happened to her daughter and wewill get into those theories in
just a minute.
So soon after Zach filed amissing persons report,
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investigators were quick torespond.
They arrived at the Gusei'shome and immediately began
searching for Carly.
Upon speaking with neighbors,they discovered that a few of
them had actually seen Carlyearly that morning.
The first witness, a man by thename of Richard Eddy, lived
near the Guse home and reportedseeing Carly early that morning.
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Around daybreak she had beenwalking down the street with a
white piece of paper in her handand looking up at the sky.
Another witness, a schoolteacher by the name of Kenneth
Dutton, was in his driveway whenhe saw Carly walking toward
Highway 6 with the piece ofpaper in her hand.
It was later discovered thatthe piece of paper she may have
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been holding was regardinginformation of a counselor that
Carly regularly saw, and thiscan open the doors to a lot of
theory and speculation of whereCarly may have been heading that
morning while still in herparanoid state of mind, one of
which could have been that shewas heading to the counselor.
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I mean, if she was seeing acounselor regularly and she had
what may have been a piece ofpaper with that information on
it and she knew that somethingwasn't right.
And she did know somethingwasn't right because she made
the comment that she keepsthinking all this demonic stuff
and she can't help it.
So what if she was trying tomake her way?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
there.
That definitely sounds like apossibility, and just for the
impulsiveness that sometimesparanoia brings on.
So if she was still in thatparanoid state, not necessarily
waiting for her parents to getup or however to take her, but
that she got the information andshe was going there now, yes, I
definitely think that is a veryplausible explanation of where
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she could have been trying tohead.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So the third and final witness claims they saw
her standing near some sagebrushnext to Highway 6.
This would be the spot alsowhere scent dogs had been
searching before losing herscent.
So there are a lot of possibletheories about what may have
happened to Carly, includingfrom her bio mom, Lindsay
Fairley.
As I mentioned earlier, she waspretty uneasy about the way
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Carly's father, Zach, called herand told her Carly was quote
unquote gone and really the facthe used the word gone instead
of missing.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That is a bit of a red flag to me and I guess, to
backtrack a little bit, it couldhave just been the state that
he was in too, to not reallychoosing his words very
appropriately.
But to call a mother and to saythat your child is gone, I mean
, if I was her mom I'd behorrified to hear that.
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I would think death like thatshe died.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, and I agree, gone and missing to me are two
different things.
Missing to me, anyway, noteverybody is different, but to
me, missing means we can't findsomeone or something, and that
doesn't necessarily mean thatyou won't find them, just means
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they are missing.
And gone to me means it's gone,it's done, it is never coming
back.
And I agree, I don't want topoint the finger, because until
you're in that position, youcan't really say what.
I don't think people are reallywatching their terminology in a
situation like that.
Now, I will say that there arewords that I think people who
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are in that kind of situationwould avoid, and I will get to
that too.
There was a lot of picking apartby online sleuths and word
analyzation of what Melissa Guseuses, and while I agree with
some of it, again you can'treally base someone's guilt or
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lack of guilt for something thismajor based on the terminology
they use.
Now, there are exceptions tothat, for sure, but Zach calls
Lindsay and says that theirdaughter is gone, and Lindsay
suggested back in 2019 on the DrPhil show that she thinks Carly
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may have died of a drugoverdose and that Zach and
Melissa hid the evidence of that.
Those are really strongaccusations to suggest and
without knowing the family, I'mnot sure why they would go as
far as to cover that up and hideyour body or hide her body and
risk going to prison if it wassomething like an accidental
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overdose.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, I mean, and what we know so far, that
doesn't sound like that would bethe case.
A big sign that I don't believepersonally that that would be
the case is that there waswitnesses that saw her the next
morning.
By that time some of that,especially weed based, would
have been out of the system.
Now, granted, we know thatthere was probably still that
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paranoia state and so somethingwas still there, but if she had
overdosed, I don't think thatthere would be witnesses that
actually saw her around.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
No, and her mother, lindsay Fairley, had made the
comment on the Dr Phil show thatshe didn't even think that her
daughter made it out of thehouse alive, and that goes right
back to what you just said.
There were three witnesses thatsaw her early that next morning
.
So with that and the fact thatcell phone data had in fact
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corroborated the accounts ofboth zach and melissa, as well
as donald arrowwood and his hisaccount of what happened,
everything checked out, a searchof the goose home, as well as
forensic investigations ofCarly's cell phone and personal
computer, did not show anyincriminating evidence.
Another very plausible theoryis that Carly wandered off into
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the desert and may have beenpicked up by someone.
She was walking along the roadas scent dogs picked up her
scent along parts of Highway 6before they lost her scent, so
that is a likely possibility.
Police had also picked out whatthey believed to be Carly's
footprints on the side of theroad.
However, those footprints didnot lead to any certain path.
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Highway 6 is a very remotedesert highway that is
considered a very prominent USroute that stretches from
California to Massachusetts andgoes through 14 US states.
It is also a highway where manytruck drivers have early
morning routes and have beenreported to frequent that
highway in the early morninghours.
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And Chalfant Valley, forgeographical purposes, is a
rural mountain town tucked inbetween the Inyo National Forest
and about 30 miles south of theNevada border.
It's approximately a five-hourdrive north from Las Vegas and a
four-hour drive south of Reno.
Another theory is that maybeCarly walked off into the desert
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and with the freezingtemperatures early in the
morning and the hot deserttemperatures in the afternoon,
it was thought that she couldhave died from exposure.
I don't really place a lot onthat theory as much.
I mean I guess it's possible,it is possible.
But I feel like they did findtracks along the side of the
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road that authorities believeare Carly's.
And if you have kind of aremote highway like that that
stretches over 14 states, ofcourse it's going to be
frequented by truck drivers.
May or may not have been atruck driver that could have
picked her up.
It could have been anybody thatpicked her up, but if she was,
she was last seen near Highway 6and just kind of piecing more
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theory together but say she wastrying to go to the counselor
and she thought she needed towalk along the highway to get to
where this counselor's officewas and you're in the middle of
the desert.
You're opening yourself up forso much.
I mean you've got anybody andeverybody driving by, and so all
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it would take is for the wrongperson to drive by and see a
young teenage girl walking byherself in the early morning
hours.
It looks kind of strange.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I would definitely agree.
Now, granted, I don't live inthe desert or haven't spent a
lot of time there, I could seethe exposure theory first, just
especially in the state she wasin, that I mean be heading that
way towards the counselors butthen to get lost and then for
something like that exposuretheory.
But then I also think what's alittle more plausible is, as you
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had said, that somebody saw herwalking, and if it was early in
the morning, who knows whocould have drove by, and I'm
sure that the police havealready thought about that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Where those footprints stop, that's probably
likely the area she was pickedup at yeah, the footprints, like
I said, didn't lead to anyviable path whatsoever, so they
kind of just stopped the dogs,they followed the scent and then
that just stopped around thesame area, which makes it that
much more likely that she waspicked up.
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Another theory that has beensweeping the internet, and seems
to be that of a lot of truecrime sleuths, is that Melissa
had something to do with Carly'sdisappearance.
Web sleuths have theorized thatMelissa may have accidentally
killed Carly by mishandling theway she handled Carly's adverse
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reaction to an unknown substance, and that it may have killed
her and Melissa could havecovered that up.
This theory was based onMelissa having changed her story
about checking on Carly in themorning hour of 5 45 am and then
she was gone by 7 15 am, versusher other story of having slept
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in Carly's room with her allnight.
Sleuths are wondering why herstory changed.
Okay, so Melissa did mention ininterviews that she didn't take
Carly to the hospital becauseshe had only smoked marijuana
and she didn't see any reason totake her to the hospital for
that.
But as soon as Melissa arrivedhome with Carly, zach had
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mentioned that they immediatelybelieved that the marijuana had
been laced with something else,that may have been a good reason
to take her to the hospital,because you don't know what the
marijuana could have been lacedwith.
However, I personally believethat they thought whatever it
was was going to wear off andthat they could take care of her
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until then.
So I definitely think that itwould have warranted a visit to
the hospital the way she wasacting, if there is even a hint
that your teenager had somethingmore in her system, that in
this case she smoked marijuana.
Yes, I get it.
You probably don't need to takeher to the hospital just
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because she smoked marijuana andnow she's paranoid.
But her level of paranoid wentover the top and you're
suspecting now that themarijuana was laced with
something else, so that couldhave been fentanyl.
That could have been somethingincredibly deadly that what if
she had tried to go to sleepthat night and didn't wake up?
So I definitely think that thatwasn't a smart move not taking
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her to the hospital, but I don'tknow, in my opinion, to suggest
that maybe they mishandled it.
Then Carly died, then theycovered it up.
You're still discounting thefact that there were three
witnesses that saw her thefollowing morning walking around
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, and we don't know right that they've ever
dealt with anything like thatbefore.
So it sounds like that rightthat they thought that she had
weed in her system and that itwould just wear off.
Where I I differ a little bit,is that any sign of any kind of
paranoia, that I think that theyshould have taken her to the
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hospital to make sure andhonestly, probably at this they
wish that as well.
So they probably did mishandleit a little bit, quite honestly,
and I'm sure they wish thatthey would have handled it
differently.
I don't know if it led to herdeath.
I don't feel like that.
We're seeing the evidence ofthat.
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What I do feel like that we'reshowing the evidence of,
especially with those threewitnesses seeing her that she
did leave and then probably gotpicked up.
Now, okay, the stepmom.
I guess we do have to ask aswell as you know why did the
stepmom lie about being in thereall night versus just checking
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on her?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
well, I question too, because obviously there is a
difference between being inthere all night long.
I think what I have founddoesn't really explain that
necessarily, but I guess hernormal routine in the mornings
was at 5.45, she would get upand she would go to the rooms
and check on Carly and hersiblings.
(28:44):
So I don't know if it was justin this state of shock and panic
herself that she was statingher normal routine, and then
maybe she was like wait a minute, no, I was in Carly's room all
night that night.
I feel like it's a discrepancyand normally when stories change
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that's a giant red flag,because if you're telling the
truth, your story is not goingto change.
However, I don't feelpersonally that it's that big of
a discrepancy to say, okay,there's this shift in the story,
so now you're saying that thestepmother, she killed Carly or
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she mishandled it.
Actually it's not.
It's not not all on her really.
I mean, the father was theretoo.
So to me you're gonna have togive me a bigger discrepancy in
the story than something likethat.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I would totally agree with that.
Yes, the story changed, but itwasn't that big of a discrepancy
.
And so I mean, exactly if itwas her routine to check on
everybody about 545, who knowswhat could have happened with
another child, or however, Ithink that if they're starting
to change this story and there'sa big discrepancy, then then
(30:02):
yes, that that can be a red flag, but something like this
staying in the room with her allnight versus checking on her
that it's not that significant.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Now in both stories that she did tell, one thing
that was consistent in both isthat at 7.15, carly was gone.
So in the first story she saidthat she came back in the room
at 7.15 and noticed Carly wasgone.
So in the first story she saidthat she came back in the room
at 7.15 and noticed Carly wasgone, and in the second one she
had fallen asleep in Carly'sroom and woke up at 7.15 and
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Carly was gone.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I just thought about this.
I'm really surprised theydidn't have like a ring camera,
the ring doorbell that wouldhave recorded, actually when
Carly left, because a lot ofpeople have those now.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
A lot of people do have those and as far as back in
2018, I don't know if a lot ofpeople had, I think a lot of
people probably still did.
Maybe not as many people thathave them now, but they didn't
have anything like that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But if not them, someone in the neighborhood,
anything like that.
But if not them, someone in theneighborhood.
So I mean, they were stillpretty popular in 2018.
So you would have thought thatsomebody's ring camera would
have saw her walking around.
Even now not everybody has one,but I bet that there's.
You know enough people in theneighborhood where she lives
that at least one to two peoplewould have had him in 2018.
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Where?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
she lives, that at least one to two people would
have had him in 2018.
You would think so, but theyhave not mentioned reports of
anyone catching her on a ringcamera, and I know that there
wasn't any kind of cameras onthe exterior of the Gusei home.
So that's a good point, though,that no one got her on camera.
So, really, you only have thesewitnesses and their statements
to go on.
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Melissa did, however, post aFacebook Live video shortly
after Carly's disappearance,urging people to help in the
search for Carly.
This video has been torn apartand completely analyzed, and
this is what I was talking about.
So it has literally beenanalyzed word for word by people
online who found the videooddly suspicious and feel that
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Melissa has something to hide,and I'm going to play you some
of Melissa's Facebook live videofor you right now.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Hey, team Carly.
This is Melissa Guse.
Today is day nine of Carlybeing missing.
I'm on here to share more info.
I just spoke to the sergeantand they are at a dead end about
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the events.
Just lots of questions that Ihaven't been allowed to talk
about because of theinvestigation, and so I'm here
to tell you guys all about it.
Friday night I picked up Carlyfrom town.
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She was supposed to be at afootball game.
She had lied to me and told methat she was at the football
game and when she called me shesaid she was sorry, I was with
friends.
I'm sorry, can you please justcome get me?
So I drove to town and pickedher up.
She was by herself and when shegot in the car I said what's
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going on?
Where have you been?
I'm with friends.
I got high.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Please don't be mad at me, I'msorry and I'm like smoke
marijuana.
Like okay, she was veryparanoid, she was scared and she
hadn't smoked weed in a monthand, being a mother, I wasn't
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going to take her to thehospital.
She's high on marijuana.
Why would I?
I just it didn't cross my mind.
She, she was fine.
We talked the whole way home.
I brought her home, we spentthe night.
When we got home she was stillparanoid, almost like extremely
stoned.
And we got home and then I hadher eat.
(34:16):
She had a salad, I made her eata power bar and she was just
very paranoid and she wanted meto spend the night with her.
So, um, her brothers were awake,and Zach was awake, and we hung
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out and she ate.
And then she was like, can wego to bed?
And I was like, yeah, and she'slike, well, can you come sleep
with me?
And I was like, yeah, sure, whynot?
Whatever, I'll lay with youwatch a movie.
And so we hung out for a littlebit in the kitchen, talked a
bunch, and then her brotherswent to bed.
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And so then I went to bed withher and then we got up.
I had to go to the bathroom,brush my teeth, wash my face.
She was by my side the wholetime.
She didn't want to leave myside.
Yes, she was paranoid and stilljust not thinking.
Well, maybe she did smokesomething that was bad, maybe
somebody gave her something, Idon't know.
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And so we ended up back in theliving room with her brothers
for a little bit, watched amovie and she was just still
kind of paranoid.
And then we went back to bed andI spent the whole night with
her.
I mean, I was awake and then Idozed off and she's just there.
She was just hanging out, shewas awake, she wanted to paint
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my toenails, she wanted to color, she wanted to do a whole lot
of stuff, and so I was, I was up, and then I would doze off and
I was up and I would doze offand she was there the whole time
and I was really scared to putthis out there, because so many
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people are judgmental and Idon't want her story to die.
And I was so scared just to sayanything.
And the investigators were likeyou can't talk to anybody about
this because the FBI wasinvolved and if anybody finds
out or they get spooked orsomebody tips somebody off, then
she could be right here andthen she could be gone.
(36:30):
So this is hard right nowbecause I just I don't want
people to judge.
Her Could smoke pot all thetime.
And so around 5.40, 48 was mylast text in the morning and I
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fell back asleep and then that'swhen I woke up and she was gone
and I wish I wouldn't havefallen asleep, and I wish I
wouldn't have fallen asleep, butyou guys had to know the
details and I was allowed toshare them, so I wanted to put
them out there because obviouslythe trolls are roaming and, um,
(37:14):
I'm not a liar and I don't haveanything to hide and I'm it's
okay to tell you guys.
You guys all want her home.
Who cares what she did?
And she's not just you'redisoriented anymore.
She is, and I said that in thebeginning, not even because the
way she was acting, but becauseif she's been out in the desert
for three hours, yeah, she'sgonna be disoriented.
(37:36):
She didn't take anything withher.
The people that Sarah said sheonly had white t-shirt and gray
pants and that was it.
She didn't have a water bottle,I don't.
I don't know what she's got andif she's out in the desert,
it's hot here and those of usthat live here, you're
dehydrated, you're thirsty,you're hungry.
What if she fell and hit herhead and that?
(37:56):
So I woke up, it was was like 7, 18.
And I said because I was in herbed and her door was open all
night, so I couldn't have heardthat.
And I was in her bed and she wasjust gone and I immediately got
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up and I looked around thehouse and I'm just going, where
is she?
I just don't know where thehell is she?
And I go, and I told Zach and Isaid Carly's not in her bed and
so just started to panic andgot in our cars and just started
driving all around.
I drove my Corolla out in theboonies over boulders and Zach
took the truck and he took thebinoculars and then, you know,
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two hour point, two hours wasthe point where something's
wrong.
And then for the neighbor tosay he saw her at 6 30 in the
morning is what he told me, buthe's older.
And then the three confirmedpeople two are neighbors that
live up here and the one otherperson that saw her was a wooder
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driving by and just saw herstanding inside the barbed wire
fence.
So, and the timeline that theysay, I was like how could I have
missed her?
You know she was just rightthere, just something's wrong.
She was just right there, justsomething's wrong.
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Somebody took her.
There's just something and Iwanted to put it out there and I
want you guys all to know.
And so if you needed to knowall that, great.
And if you didn't care.
Great, because I don't care.
I just want her.
We want her home and thank youfor the continued support and
and let's bring Carly home.
And thank you all again.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
So basically, okay, melissa is fumbling around and
she is doing a typical FacebookLive video, okay, and she's
asking for people to help getinvolved in the search.
I don't know how people expectsomeone to act if they're on a
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Facebook Live and theirstepdaughter is missing.
She's gonna be nervous.
She's gonna be nervous.
There were comments made onlinethat she's not looking directly
in the camera, she's lookingaround.
Well, anyone I've ever seen doa Facebook Live video no one is
just looking directly in thecamera.
She's looking around.
Well, anyone I've ever seen doa Facebook live video no one is
just looking directly in thecamera the whole time.
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People are always lookingaround.
People record themselvessitting in a car doing Facebook
lives.
They're constantly lookingaround.
Obviously, most times they'redriving or they may be you know
wherever it is.
No one is just staring directlyat the camera the whole time.
Now, take into account the factthat your stepdaughter's missing
.
You're really not going to bejust staring into the phone as
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you're talking about her goingmissing.
So I felt like they were kindof ripping her apart about that
and they're analyzing differentwords that she's using.
I think she had made thecomment at one point that
investigators are having no luckfinding Carly and that
something to the effect of theleads or whatever it was has
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turned up dead.
She said the word dead in hersentence and they're like I
can't believe she used the worddead.
Your daughter is missing and Iget.
In most cases you're going toavoid words that talk about
death or talk about, in thiscase, the word dead.
You're going to be careful notto use certain words.
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You're going to kind of tiptoearound those words because the
thought of that being theoutcome is unimaginable, but, at
the same time, using that worddoesn't make her a killer.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I would agree that that doesn't make her a killer
and, yes, that she probably waspretty nervous on that.
I guess what does strike me asodd is that now you have the dad
that had called biologicalmother saying she's gone, and I
thought, okay, that guys,they're not going to really
choose their words, Guy, girl,whatever, I mean in the heat of
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the moment.
But then now for the stepmom tobe saying using words like dead
, and again I mean I'm going togive her the benefit of the
doubt that probably she didn'tmean to use those choice of
words, but it is a littlecoincidental that you know she
did say that after what herhusband had said.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Well, I do agree and I definitely don't detest that
they are using, well, very poorchoice of words and these are
not words that I would use.
These are not words that mostpeople would use, I think, in
this situation.
So it really is difficult and Ican't entirely say I don't
blame the online sleuths forreally digging into this,
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because Carly has still neverbeen found and so it is
important to look at all anglesto look at the father, to look
at the stepmother.
The stepmother was the last oneto see her alive and I don't
know how thorough theinvestigation was into her
parents.
Sometimes they rule that out alittle too quickly.
(43:13):
So while I definitely thinkthat she probably didn't mean to
use those words, and I'm notseeing anything suspicious like
the online sleuths are seeing,it doesn't necessarily mean that
they shouldn't be analyzingthis, because in past cases,
online web sleuths have solvedcases, so I think that they are
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important to an investigation,to give the Gabby Petito
investigation into her death andhow it was an online sleuth
that ended up spotting her van,driven by Brian Laundrie, and
they were able to recover herbody.
So, but then you have othersituations where I think online
(43:58):
sleuths can do more harm thangood, and they can actually
become so involved in aninvestigation that they hinder
the investigation.
They get in the way of thepolice.
But I think everyone shoulddraw their own conclusion.
While I'm not really on boardwith what the online sleuths are
saying in this situation, Idon't see anything crazy
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suspicious about Melissa Guse,necessarily, from everything I
found.
Everyone has their own opinion,so I would like to hear
everyone else's opinion, though,on this case and which way you
kind of kind of shift in your inyour theories.
But another claim that causedpeople to believe Melissa had
something to do with Carly'sdisappearance was that Melissa
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allegedly had detail work doneto her car right after Carly
went missing.
That produced the theory thatMelissa may have accidentally
hit Carly with her car.
I didn't find a whole lot.
I really didn't find anythingthan strictly the accusation
made by online people that thateven happened.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
So I have nothing to back that up, but you're saying
the theory is that she hit herwith her car the night she went
to pick her up.
So all the other story as faras the witnesses, the you know
making her a salad or thedevil's lettuce, and the
footprints that the police, tomy understanding, saw, were all
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made up in this theory.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, and that's just it.
That's what I'm saying.
Some of the theories yeah, Icould see it being a very
plausible theory based on whatwe already know.
That is just one more theorythat I would toss out the window
, because then you have todiscount the recording of Carly,
which, okay, someone could say,hey, who knows that that was a
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recording of her that night.
That could have been arecording of her from a
different night, or somebodycould argue that.
But we go right back to.
You have to discount thewitnesses.
So are you saying that threewitnesses, three separate
witnesses who were neighbors inthe vicinity of where the Guse
house is, that they made this upand, according to authorities,
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these are very crediblewitnesses.
So that's just another theorythat I would toss out the window
and, like I said, I don't haveanything to back that up.
That she did have work done.
But even if she did, you haveto discredit the all three of
the witnesses.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, exactly, and I mean the police are involved and
they're gathering evidence atthis point, so I think they
would have figured that out.
What it's sounding like is thatthere was already an
appointment made for the detailand unfortunately,
coincidentally, it just happenedto be so close to when she went
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missing.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
And if that even really happened, there's nothing
to back that up, so that couldjust strictly be some kind of
accusation.
So other theories point toCarly's boyfriend, donald.
It has been stated, though notconfirmed, that Carly had called
a suicide hotline a few weeksbefore her disappearance and
that her and Donald had aseemingly tumultuous
(47:09):
relationship.
According to reports on theCharlie Project, carly texted
her boyfriend at 10.15 pm thenight before she went missing to
tell him that the marijuana shehad smoked had been laced with
something.
This was her final text to herboyfriend.
Online sleuths have pointed outDonald's behavior the night.
Carly went into extreme panic,deeming his behavior suspicious.
(47:34):
Donald allegedly posted onFacebook the following quote no,
me and Carly were walkingalmost to my house and she got
so damn scared it was scaring me.
So I looked her in the eyes andsaid Carly, baby, you are safe
with me.
And then she got this horrifiedlook on her face and started
(47:55):
screaming my name.
So I wrapped my arms around herto hold her and she bit my side
and was pushing me away.
So I let go and she told me notto follow her and to go home.
So I stayed in the middle ofthe street for like 20.
I wanted to chase after my baby, but it was pitch black and I
didn't want to scare her anymore.
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To this day, I wish I had chasedafter her.
I wish we had made it to myhouse.
I wish none of this hadhappened.
Unquote.
Donald is also reported asposting that there were never
any.
There was never any party thatnight and that Carly and him
were at a friend's house smokingweed.
Not an actual party.
Okay, everyone can draw theirown conclusion here, but I
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personally don't see anythingsuspicious about Donald's post,
and whether people are callingthe get-together a party or a
few friends hanging outlistening to music and smoking
marijuana is irrelevant to mepersonally.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
That would explain why Melissadidn't find her at the party.
He was with her when they left.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, he was with her when they left.
They were.
I guess they were walking, butthere was no mention.
When Melissa found her she waswell.
I guess she had already ranaway from Donald and that's why
Melissa found her running downthe street, a dark street like
that.
So, and it corroborates withDonald's story, I don't know.
(49:26):
I don't find that Facebook postsuspicious.
I find him posting on Facebookwhat happened that night and I'm
sure it freaked him out.
He said in the post it freakedhim out.
I think we're reaching atstraws.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, yeah, and I mean, if he was smoking weed
that night too, if he wassmoking from the same that she
was that, who knows what effectit had on him as well.
Now everybody deals with thator reacts differently to weed or
whatever it was laced with, soit doesn't sound like he had had
such a severe episode, but allthe same, I mean, we know that
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he was smoking weed as well, sothat's going to alter his
thinking also.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, and probably scare him even more than it
would have been if he wascompletely sober when his
girlfriend is in such hystericslike that.
So, in an article published onOctober 8th 2023 by the Review
Journal, five years afterCarly's disappearance,
authorities are searching forclues in Tenopa, nevada, with
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the Mono County Sheriff'sDepartment stated that in March
2021, he received a call from awitness who claims to have seen
Carly at a party in Tanopa,which is approximately 100 miles
from Carly's home in ChalfantValley.
Police are taking this lead veryseriously and Detective
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Pelichowski stated thatauthorities located a vehicle
that may have been used to pickCarly up from alongside Highway
6 and take her to Tanopa.
This lead is being investigatedby the Mono County Sheriff's
Department as well as the FBI,so it sounds more likely that
this is kind of what happened,what we were talking about
earlier.
She wandered off to the highwayand somebody picked her up, and
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if they have found a car thatthey believe that was left on
the side of the road, they'vegot their reasons as to why they
are tying it that car to her.
Whether they found something inthe car of hers or I'm just
speculating because they're notreleasing that.
You know there could be.
There's got to be somethingwith that car, tying that car to
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her to make them think thatthat was a car used to pick up
Carly.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yes, obviously, but that many years later and still
nothing, though I don't know,and for them not to publicly
come out with more information.
It sounds like it is suspicious, but not enough to totally say
that this was what happened.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, I don't think they're going to come out and
give that information strictlybecause it's an active
investigation and they don'twant to give information out
that only the suspect would know.
Know they give all thatinformation out to everyone.
Well then, that's, that'smaking it even harder to narrow
down a suspect.
But there's something with thatcar, whether, like I said, it's
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, it's something that was leftin there or it was dna evidence
of hers found in there, forwhatever reason, or maybe he's
tied to some other kidnappingand they're thinking, hmm, this
is very likely that it couldhave been the same situation.
But it sounds like that is kindof the theory that they're
(52:53):
going with too, based on all theevidence that they have and we
don't know all the evidence thatthey have.
But so when Carly was reportedmissing, there were no Amber
Alerts issued because of thefact that there was no immediate
indication of abduction orphysical description of a car.
There were no outside camerasinstalled at the Guse home and
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no gas stations or other markerswith cameras in the vicinity or
other markers with cameras inthe vicinity.
Helicopters, search dogs,horseback searchers and off-road
vehicles were all involved insearching the area filled with
desert and rugged terrain.
However, the searches conductedhave turned up nothing.
Carly Langusse was 16 years oldat the time of her disappearance
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and would be 22 years old today.
Carly is a white female withdark blonde hair and blue eyes.
She is 5 foot 7 inches tall andweighs approximately 110 pounds
.
She has a piercing in her leftnostril.
Carly was last seen by herfamily at her residence in the
White Mountain Estates area ofChalfant Valley in Mono County,
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california.
She was last seen by witnesseswalking south, approximately 30
yards east of Highway 6 and 100yards south of Sierra View Road,
on the morning of October 13,2018.
She was likely wearing graysweatpants, a white t-shirt and
Vans shoes.
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The FBI is offering a reward ofup to $5,000 for information
leading to the whereabouts ofCarly Gusset.
If you have any information ofthe location of Carly Gusset,
please call the Mono CountySheriff's Department at area
code 760-932-7549, option 7, orthe National Center for Missing
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and Endangered Children at800-THE-LOST, that's
800-843-5678.
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Blink.
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And remember, be safe, be smartand try not to blink.
It goes without saying that drugs can make a
person become someone they'renot.
They twist the mind intobelieving things that aren't
true and see things that aren'tthere.
Delusion and paranoia worktogether, forming a deadly
(00:32):
cocktail to consume the brain,making you believe that the
people who love you are nowwanting to kill you.
Nothing is the way it was, andeverything you thought you knew
no longer exists.
You know it sounds crazy whenyou say it out loud, but you
(00:55):
cannot convince your mind.
It's not true.
The paranoia comes and goes asyou step into reality, just for
a moment and just long enough tobe reminded that you are safe
and you are loved, only to besubmerged into that dark,
(01:18):
delusional world once again, theworld where your friends are no
longer your friends and peopleare not who they say they are.
For 16-year-old Carly Gusset,this was the world she fell into
on the night of October 12,2018.
A small gathering with friendsthat would end up pushing her
(01:42):
out of reality and send herspinning into a series of
delusional events that wouldultimately end with her
disappearance.
This is the case of CarlyGusset, and this is Gone in a
Blink is Gone in a Blink.
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Hey, true crime fans, I'm yourhost, heather, and I'm Danielle.
Welcome to episode 28 of Gonein a Blink.
I hope everyone had a happyHalloween.
The weather here was really,really nice, although we didn't
have as many trick-or-treatersas we normally do, so, needless
to say, I had a lot of candy toget rid of, so I was literally
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handing it out by the handfulsto all these trick-or-treaters.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Did you get many trick-or-treaters where you live
?
I'd say a little bit more thanwe had last year.
I mean so maybe 10trick-or-treaters versus, I
think, only last year maybe likethree.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was crazy.
Yeah, we had a lot last seasonand so I really tried to prep.
We bought, I think, four bags,maybe five bags of candy, and
even though it was beautiful out, there just wasn't as many
people with their porch lightson.
So I don't know if that waspart of why there weren't as
many trick or treaters, or a lotmore people are doing the trunk
or treat now, so maybe a lotdid that and you know that could
(03:20):
have had an effect.
But needless to say, I've got Istill have way too much candy
to get rid of because we weren'tthe only ones that were giving
handfuls of candy out.
So my kids go trick or treatingand everywhere they go they're
giving massive handfuls outbecause they're trying to get
rid of their candy, and so nowpretty much everything that I
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got rid of handing it out hascome back to me through my kids.
But it was fun none the less.
So today's case is one out ofMono County, california.
Today we are discussing thecase of Carly Gousset, so if
you're ready, let's jump rightin.
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Carly Lane Gousset was born onMay 13, 2002 to parents Lindsay
Fairley and Zachary Gousset.
Her parents divorced when shewas just two years old and Carly
had been living with her motheruntil Lindsay decided to make
the move to Nevada.
Carly wanted to stay with herfriends and everything she knew
(04:22):
about California.
You know, she's 16 years old,she doesn't want to leave her
school and all of her friendsand everything she knew about
California.
You know, she's 16 years old,she doesn't want to leave her
school and all of her friends,so it was then that she moved in
with her dad and her stepmother, melissa in Bishop California.
She grew up with her threebrothers, kane, cole and Cody,
and attended Bishop Union HighSchool, where she was described
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as being very sweet and veryquiet.
On the evening of October 12,2018, carly told her father,
zach, and her stepmother,melissa, that she was going to
attend a high school footballgame.
Instead, carly went with herboyfriend, donald Arrowood III,
to a small party where they hungout talking and laughing with
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friends.
However, around 8 pm that night, things would take a very dark
turn.
Carly had been smokingmarijuana with her boyfriend and
some of her other friends atthe party when suddenly she
began acting very erratic.
It was reported that, accordingto Donald, carly became
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frightened of the music and theneven became frightened of him.
She had fallen into a deepstate of paranoia.
She called her stepmother,melissa, and admitted that she
had not in fact gone to thefootball game, like she had told
her parents, but instead wentto a party, and she begged
Melissa to pick her up rightaway.
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Melissa jumped in her car andmade her way to the house where
the party was being held.
However, when she got there,she learned that Carly had
already fled the party on foot.
Melissa drove around andeventually located Carly running
down a dark, deserted road.
She pulled up to her and Carlyjumped into the back seat of the
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car immediately, and she wasacting extremely paranoid even
after Melissa drove away andtried to assure her that she was
safe.
So, according to Fox News, shereportedly told Melissa that she
was scared and she changedseats within the vehicle
multiple times, telling Melissathat she thought the car was
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going to kill her.
Once they arrived at home, theparanoia continued, so much so
that her father thought that themarijuana had been laced with
something more powerful, becauseof the state of panic that she
was in, but also because of howlarge her pupils were dilated.
Carly had smoked marijuana withher boyfriend in the past, and
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just a few weeks before, she hada couple of adverse reactions
to it, where she did becomeparanoid, telling friends that
she was worried that someone wastracking her on her cell phone.
However, she never had areaction anything close to what
she experienced on this night.
So Carly's dad even decided torecord their conversation with
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Carly in the hopes of playing itfor her at a later time to show
her just how paranoid the drugwas making her, kind of like a
tool to deter her from everusing it again type thing.
The conversation was recordedfor eight minutes and 45 seconds
and shows how deeply paranoidCarly really was, and I have a
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portion of that conversationthat I want to play for you.
This is Carly talking to herstepmother and fearing that
Melissa is going to kill her.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is the audio of Carly and it's in my pocket, so
it's kind of loud and scuffly.
Melissa, do you want to take ashower?
It'll make you feel better.
No, you're going to kill me.
Carly, listen to what you justsaid to me, what you said.
You're going to kill me.
Don't kill me.
Why would I kill you?
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That's preposterous.
That's ridiculous.
I'm eating the devil's lettuce.
You're eating lettuce that Ijust freshly chopped, that I
bought from the grocery store.
I don't know why I'm justthinking that.
Why do you think it's thedevil's lettuce?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Because I'm just thinking all these demonic stuff
and I can't help it, you'reokay, you wouldn't call them.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are you looking like then?
You just said you wouldn't.
Would you call them 911?
If, for what reason?
If there was an emergency?
If there was an emergency, yes,I would always call 911.
Yeah, what are you doing?
What are?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
you doing.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't know, I have to look at you.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
No, you don't, is it because I'm?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
ugly?
No, you're not.
You're beautiful, you're ugly.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Okay, so in that clip clearly she's very upset, she's
very distraught, she soundsvery panicked, she is afraid.
She's afraid for her life forsome reason.
I mean, obviously I think it'sbecause of the drug, but she is.
Her voice is very shaky andshe's talking about talking
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about the devil's lettuce whenher mom made a salad.
So what is your take on thatwhole thing?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
She definitely sounds very paranoid.
The devil's lettuce isn't thatanother term for weed?
I feel like I've heard thatbefore.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, that's a good point.
That could be.
I don't know.
I don't know, I'm not asfamiliar with that terminology,
but it's a good point.
That could be.
I don't know, I don't know, I'mnot as familiar with that
terminology, but it's a goodpoint.
But in this case she could havebeen referencing that.
But her mom did make her asalad and she was afraid that
the lettuce in that salad wasthe devil's lettuce.
But she could also have beenreferring to the marijuana that
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she smoked earlier, although Ifeel like I'd have to agree with
her dad.
I feel like whatever causedthis state of mind for her had
to have been more than marijuana.
I feel like maybe it was laced,and that happens a lot.
That happens so much,especially, you know, I don't
know maybe back in 2018.
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That was in 2018.
You hear about a lot more nowwith fentanyl and things like
that.
I think you hear about thatmore now than you did back in
2018.
But it doesn't mean that itwasn't still happening.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, exactly that I mean.
And a lot of places, weed islegalized now, and so there's a
lot more people that are usingthat recreationally.
I know some that use it daily.
I guess that is such a scarything In 2018, yes, you didn't
hear about it as much, but Imean, of course it was still
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happening, but now even more so,that it would be a really scary
thing to not know, like, wherethat weed had came from, and you
have to be really cautious.
I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So, like I said, that was just a portion of the audio
.
So, just in case there wereparts of that clip that were
hard to hear or parts that werenot played because it was an
eight minute clip, that was theoriginal was an eight minute
clip.
So Carly is heard saying Ireally messed up today.
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Melissa responds we all dothings in life that we regret,
drugs especially.
I don't believe this was in theclip, though, but Carly later
accuses Melissa of wanting tokill her, and Melissa asks her
why she would want to kill herand tells her that that's
preposterous.
Carly then responds I'm justthinking all this demonic stuff,
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I can't help it.
So Melissa and Zach try forquite some time to calm Carly
down.
Throughout the entire night sheseems to be going in and out of
her paranoid state and at timesasking Melissa to paint her
nails with her and then colorand coloring books as well.
She's in that happy, calmmoment.
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Then she becomes paranoid again, making requests to pray and
read the Bible.
Melissa claims that she talkedCarly into eating something,
hoping that would help her snapout of this delusional state she
was in.
So she made Carly a salad, likeI mentioned earlier.
However, carly took a few bitesbefore pushing it away, stating
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that it was made with thedevil's lettuce.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
A couple of things with.
That is interesting to me.
But it could be nothing, andmaybe it's just that the way I
grew up, or whatever, I'm kindof surprised that she made her a
salad.
I mean, I don't know, maybeshe's vegetarian or something,
but I guess, to snap out of it,I would think of something a
little hardier.
Or, honestly, maybe I just gotcandy on the brain because of
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Halloween, but what are yourthoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I did think it was kind of unusual, because a salad
is generally not very filling.
Maybe Carly wasn't really thathungry to begin with.
I don't know.
I probably would have went withsome toast or something like
that, something very simple.
But she went with a salad.
Maybe they had that for dinnerand she was just like grabbing
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something out of the fridge.
Hey, we have leftover salad,eat something.
I get eating something.
But I caught that too.
So Carly then asked Melissa ifshe would lay down with her in
her bedroom.
Carly was tired and shedefinitely needed to get some
rest, but she was terrified tobe by herself.
She was absolutely terrified toleave Melissa's side.
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So Melissa claims that she laidin Carly's room.
Initially, melissa stated thatshe had checked on Carly around
5.45 am, indicating that at somepoint in the night she had left
Carly's room.
She stated that Carly was stillin her room at that time.
But when she checked on heragain at 7.15 am, carly's room,
she stated that Carly was stillin her room at that time, but
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when she checked on her again at7 15 am, carly was gone.
She later recanted her storyand said that she had spent the
entire night in Carly's roomwith her but had fallen asleep
and when she woke up around 7 15, carly was no longer in her bed
.
Now this change in storyalthough I don't feel that it is
a major change in her timelineonline sleuths have really tore
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into her over this and we willintroduce some of those theories
in a little while.
To search the entire house, theynoticed that Carly's cell phone
was sitting on the kitchencounter, which they thought was
pretty odd.
They then began to search theneighborhood.
After searching theneighborhood for roughly two
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hours, zach called Carly'smother Lindsay to tell her what
happened.
He then filed a missing personsreport with the Mono County
Sheriff's Department.
Carly's mother Lindsay recalledon an episode of Fox News the
day her ex-husband informed herthat Carly was missing.
She is quoted as saying quoteat 9.35 am on October 13th, I
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was notified by her father, myex-husband, that she was gone.
Gone to me is a huge red flagand it has never set easily with
me unquote.
So Carly's mother has her owntheories of what may have
happened to her daughter and wewill get into those theories in
just a minute.
So soon after Zach filed amissing persons report,
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investigators were quick torespond.
They arrived at the Gusei'shome and immediately began
searching for Carly.
Upon speaking with neighbors,they discovered that a few of
them had actually seen Carlyearly that morning.
The first witness, a man by thename of Richard Eddy, lived
near the Guse home and reportedseeing Carly early that morning.
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Around daybreak she had beenwalking down the street with a
white piece of paper in her handand looking up at the sky.
Another witness, a schoolteacher by the name of Kenneth
Dutton, was in his driveway whenhe saw Carly walking toward
Highway 6 with the piece ofpaper in her hand.
It was later discovered thatthe piece of paper she may have
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been holding was regardinginformation of a counselor that
Carly regularly saw, and thiscan open the doors to a lot of
theory and speculation of whereCarly may have been heading that
morning while still in herparanoid state of mind, one of
which could have been that shewas heading to the counselor.
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I mean, if she was seeing acounselor regularly and she had
what may have been a piece ofpaper with that information on
it and she knew that somethingwasn't right.
And she did know somethingwasn't right because she made
the comment that she keepsthinking all this demonic stuff
and she can't help it.
So what if she was trying tomake her way?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
there.
That definitely sounds like apossibility, and just for the
impulsiveness that sometimesparanoia brings on.
So if she was still in thatparanoid state, not necessarily
waiting for her parents to getup or however to take her, but
that she got the information andshe was going there now, yes, I
definitely think that is a veryplausible explanation of where
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she could have been trying tohead.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So the third and final witness claims they saw
her standing near some sagebrushnext to Highway 6.
This would be the spot alsowhere scent dogs had been
searching before losing herscent.
So there are a lot of possibletheories about what may have
happened to Carly, includingfrom her bio mom, Lindsay
Fairley.
As I mentioned earlier, she waspretty uneasy about the way
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Carly's father, Zach, called herand told her Carly was quote
unquote gone and really the facthe used the word gone instead
of missing.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That is a bit of a red flag to me and I guess, to
backtrack a little bit, it couldhave just been the state that
he was in too, to not reallychoosing his words very
appropriately.
But to call a mother and to saythat your child is gone, I mean
, if I was her mom I'd behorrified to hear that.
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I would think death like thatshe died.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, and I agree, gone and missing to me are two
different things.
Missing to me, anyway, noteverybody is different, but to
me, missing means we can't findsomeone or something, and that
doesn't necessarily mean thatyou won't find them, just means
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they are missing.
And gone to me means it's gone,it's done, it is never coming
back.
And I agree, I don't want topoint the finger, because until
you're in that position, youcan't really say what.
I don't think people are reallywatching their terminology in a
situation like that.
Now, I will say that there arewords that I think people who
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are in that kind of situationwould avoid, and I will get to
that too.
There was a lot of picking apartby online sleuths and word
analyzation of what Melissa Guseuses, and while I agree with
some of it, again you can'treally base someone's guilt or
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lack of guilt for something thismajor based on the terminology
they use.
Now, there are exceptions tothat, for sure, but Zach calls
Lindsay and says that theirdaughter is gone, and Lindsay
suggested back in 2019 on the DrPhil show that she thinks Carly
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may have died of a drugoverdose and that Zach and
Melissa hid the evidence of that.
Those are really strongaccusations to suggest and
without knowing the family, I'mnot sure why they would go as
far as to cover that up and hideyour body or hide her body and
risk going to prison if it wassomething like an accidental
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overdose.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, I mean, and what we know so far, that
doesn't sound like that would bethe case.
A big sign that I don't believepersonally that that would be
the case is that there waswitnesses that saw her the next
morning.
By that time some of that,especially weed based, would
have been out of the system.
Now, granted, we know thatthere was probably still that
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paranoia state and so somethingwas still there, but if she had
overdosed, I don't think thatthere would be witnesses that
actually saw her around.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
No, and her mother, lindsay Fairley, had made the
comment on the Dr Phil show thatshe didn't even think that her
daughter made it out of thehouse alive, and that goes right
back to what you just said.
There were three witnesses thatsaw her early that next morning
.
So with that and the fact thatcell phone data had in fact
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corroborated the accounts ofboth zach and melissa, as well
as donald arrowwood and his hisaccount of what happened,
everything checked out, a searchof the goose home, as well as
forensic investigations ofCarly's cell phone and personal
computer, did not show anyincriminating evidence.
Another very plausible theoryis that Carly wandered off into
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the desert and may have beenpicked up by someone.
She was walking along the roadas scent dogs picked up her
scent along parts of Highway 6before they lost her scent, so
that is a likely possibility.
Police had also picked out whatthey believed to be Carly's
footprints on the side of theroad.
However, those footprints didnot lead to any certain path.
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Highway 6 is a very remotedesert highway that is
considered a very prominent USroute that stretches from
California to Massachusetts andgoes through 14 US states.
It is also a highway where manytruck drivers have early
morning routes and have beenreported to frequent that
highway in the early morninghours.
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And Chalfant Valley, forgeographical purposes, is a
rural mountain town tucked inbetween the Inyo National Forest
and about 30 miles south of theNevada border.
It's approximately a five-hourdrive north from Las Vegas and a
four-hour drive south of Reno.
Another theory is that maybeCarly walked off into the desert
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and with the freezingtemperatures early in the
morning and the hot deserttemperatures in the afternoon,
it was thought that she couldhave died from exposure.
I don't really place a lot onthat theory as much.
I mean I guess it's possible,it is possible.
But I feel like they did findtracks along the side of the
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road that authorities believeare Carly's.
And if you have kind of aremote highway like that that
stretches over 14 states, ofcourse it's going to be
frequented by truck drivers.
May or may not have been atruck driver that could have
picked her up.
It could have been anybody thatpicked her up, but if she was,
she was last seen near Highway 6and just kind of piecing more
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theory together but say she wastrying to go to the counselor
and she thought she needed towalk along the highway to get to
where this counselor's officewas and you're in the middle of
the desert.
You're opening yourself up forso much.
I mean you've got anybody andeverybody driving by, and so all
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it would take is for the wrongperson to drive by and see a
young teenage girl walking byherself in the early morning
hours.
It looks kind of strange.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I would definitely agree.
Now, granted, I don't live inthe desert or haven't spent a
lot of time there, I could seethe exposure theory first, just
especially in the state she wasin, that I mean be heading that
way towards the counselors butthen to get lost and then for
something like that exposuretheory.
But then I also think what's alittle more plausible is, as you
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had said, that somebody saw herwalking, and if it was early in
the morning, who knows whocould have drove by, and I'm
sure that the police havealready thought about that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Where those footprints stop, that's probably
likely the area she was pickedup at yeah, the footprints, like
I said, didn't lead to anyviable path whatsoever, so they
kind of just stopped the dogs,they followed the scent and then
that just stopped around thesame area, which makes it that
much more likely that she waspicked up.
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Another theory that has beensweeping the internet, and seems
to be that of a lot of truecrime sleuths, is that Melissa
had something to do with Carly'sdisappearance.
Web sleuths have theorized thatMelissa may have accidentally
killed Carly by mishandling theway she handled Carly's adverse
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reaction to an unknown substance, and that it may have killed
her and Melissa could havecovered that up.
This theory was based onMelissa having changed her story
about checking on Carly in themorning hour of 5 45 am and then
she was gone by 7 15 am, versusher other story of having slept
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in Carly's room with her allnight.
Sleuths are wondering why herstory changed.
Okay, so Melissa did mention ininterviews that she didn't take
Carly to the hospital becauseshe had only smoked marijuana
and she didn't see any reason totake her to the hospital for
that.
But as soon as Melissa arrivedhome with Carly, zach had
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mentioned that they immediatelybelieved that the marijuana had
been laced with something else,that may have been a good reason
to take her to the hospital,because you don't know what the
marijuana could have been lacedwith.
However, I personally believethat they thought whatever it
was was going to wear off andthat they could take care of her
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until then.
So I definitely think that itwould have warranted a visit to
the hospital the way she wasacting, if there is even a hint
that your teenager had somethingmore in her system, that in
this case she smoked marijuana.
Yes, I get it.
You probably don't need to takeher to the hospital just
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because she smoked marijuana andnow she's paranoid.
But her level of paranoid wentover the top and you're
suspecting now that themarijuana was laced with
something else, so that couldhave been fentanyl.
That could have been somethingincredibly deadly that what if
she had tried to go to sleepthat night and didn't wake up?
So I definitely think that thatwasn't a smart move not taking
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her to the hospital, but I don'tknow, in my opinion, to suggest
that maybe they mishandled it.
Then Carly died, then theycovered it up.
You're still discounting thefact that there were three
witnesses that saw her thefollowing morning walking around
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, and we don't know right that they've ever
dealt with anything like thatbefore.
So it sounds like that rightthat they thought that she had
weed in her system and that itwould just wear off.
Where I I differ a little bit,is that any sign of any kind of
paranoia, that I think that theyshould have taken her to the
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hospital to make sure andhonestly, probably at this they
wish that as well.
So they probably did mishandleit a little bit, quite honestly,
and I'm sure they wish thatthey would have handled it
differently.
I don't know if it led to herdeath.
I don't feel like that.
We're seeing the evidence ofthat.
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What I do feel like that we'reshowing the evidence of,
especially with those threewitnesses seeing her that she
did leave and then probably gotpicked up.
Now, okay, the stepmom.
I guess we do have to ask aswell as you know why did the
stepmom lie about being in thereall night versus just checking
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on her?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
well, I question too, because obviously there is a
difference between being inthere all night long.
I think what I have founddoesn't really explain that
necessarily, but I guess hernormal routine in the mornings
was at 5.45, she would get upand she would go to the rooms
and check on Carly and hersiblings.
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So I don't know if it was justin this state of shock and panic
herself that she was statingher normal routine, and then
maybe she was like wait a minute, no, I was in Carly's room all
night that night.
I feel like it's a discrepancyand normally when stories change
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that's a giant red flag,because if you're telling the
truth, your story is not goingto change.
However, I don't feelpersonally that it's that big of
a discrepancy to say, okay,there's this shift in the story,
so now you're saying that thestepmother, she killed Carly or
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she mishandled it.
Actually it's not.
It's not not all on her really.
I mean, the father was theretoo.
So to me you're gonna have togive me a bigger discrepancy in
the story than something likethat.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I would totally agree with that.
Yes, the story changed, but itwasn't that big of a discrepancy
.
And so I mean, exactly if itwas her routine to check on
everybody about 545, who knowswhat could have happened with
another child, or however, Ithink that if they're starting
to change this story and there'sa big discrepancy, then then
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yes, that that can be a red flag, but something like this
staying in the room with her allnight versus checking on her
that it's not that significant.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Now in both stories that she did tell, one thing
that was consistent in both isthat at 7.15, carly was gone.
So in the first story she saidthat she came back in the room
at 7.15 and noticed Carly wasgone.
So in the first story she saidthat she came back in the room
at 7.15 and noticed Carly wasgone, and in the second one she
had fallen asleep in Carly'sroom and woke up at 7.15 and
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Carly was gone.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I just thought about this.
I'm really surprised theydidn't have like a ring camera,
the ring doorbell that wouldhave recorded, actually when
Carly left, because a lot ofpeople have those now.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
A lot of people do have those and as far as back in
2018, I don't know if a lot ofpeople had, I think a lot of
people probably still did.
Maybe not as many people thathave them now, but they didn't
have anything like that.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But if not them, someone in the neighborhood,
anything like that.
But if not them, someone in theneighborhood.
So I mean, they were stillpretty popular in 2018.
So you would have thought thatsomebody's ring camera would
have saw her walking around.
Even now not everybody has one,but I bet that there's.
You know enough people in theneighborhood where she lives
that at least one to two peoplewould have had him in 2018.
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Where?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
she lives, that at least one to two people would
have had him in 2018.
You would think so, but theyhave not mentioned reports of
anyone catching her on a ringcamera, and I know that there
wasn't any kind of cameras onthe exterior of the Gusei home.
So that's a good point, though,that no one got her on camera.
So, really, you only have thesewitnesses and their statements
to go on.
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Melissa did, however, post aFacebook Live video shortly
after Carly's disappearance,urging people to help in the
search for Carly.
This video has been torn apartand completely analyzed, and
this is what I was talking about.
So it has literally beenanalyzed word for word by people
online who found the videooddly suspicious and feel that
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Melissa has something to hide,and I'm going to play you some
of Melissa's Facebook live videofor you right now.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Hey, team Carly.
This is Melissa Guse.
Today is day nine of Carlybeing missing.
I'm on here to share more info.
I just spoke to the sergeantand they are at a dead end about
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the events.
Just lots of questions that Ihaven't been allowed to talk
about because of theinvestigation, and so I'm here
to tell you guys all about it.
Friday night I picked up Carlyfrom town.
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She was supposed to be at afootball game.
She had lied to me and told methat she was at the football
game and when she called me shesaid she was sorry, I was with
friends.
I'm sorry, can you please justcome get me?
So I drove to town and pickedher up.
She was by herself and when shegot in the car I said what's
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going on?
Where have you been?
I'm with friends.
I got high.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Please don't be mad at me, I'msorry and I'm like smoke
marijuana.
Like okay, she was veryparanoid, she was scared and she
hadn't smoked weed in a monthand, being a mother, I wasn't
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going to take her to thehospital.
She's high on marijuana.
Why would I?
I just it didn't cross my mind.
She, she was fine.
We talked the whole way home.
I brought her home, we spentthe night.
When we got home she was stillparanoid, almost like extremely
stoned.
And we got home and then I hadher eat.
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She had a salad, I made her eata power bar and she was just
very paranoid and she wanted meto spend the night with her.
So, um, her brothers were awake,and Zach was awake, and we hung
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out and she ate.
And then she was like, can wego to bed?
And I was like, yeah, and she'slike, well, can you come sleep
with me?
And I was like, yeah, sure, whynot?
Whatever, I'll lay with youwatch a movie.
And so we hung out for a littlebit in the kitchen, talked a
bunch, and then her brotherswent to bed.
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And so then I went to bed withher and then we got up.
I had to go to the bathroom,brush my teeth, wash my face.
She was by my side the wholetime.
She didn't want to leave myside.
Yes, she was paranoid and stilljust not thinking.
Well, maybe she did smokesomething that was bad, maybe
somebody gave her something, Idon't know.
(35:24):
And so we ended up back in theliving room with her brothers
for a little bit, watched amovie and she was just still
kind of paranoid.
And then we went back to bed andI spent the whole night with
her.
I mean, I was awake and then Idozed off and she's just there.
She was just hanging out, shewas awake, she wanted to paint
(35:47):
my toenails, she wanted to color, she wanted to do a whole lot
of stuff, and so I was, I was up, and then I would doze off and
I was up and I would doze offand she was there the whole time
and I was really scared to putthis out there, because so many
(36:10):
people are judgmental and Idon't want her story to die.
And I was so scared just to sayanything.
And the investigators were likeyou can't talk to anybody about
this because the FBI wasinvolved and if anybody finds
out or they get spooked orsomebody tips somebody off, then
she could be right here andthen she could be gone.
(36:30):
So this is hard right nowbecause I just I don't want
people to judge.
Her Could smoke pot all thetime.
And so around 5.40, 48 was mylast text in the morning and I
(36:52):
fell back asleep and then that'swhen I woke up and she was gone
and I wish I wouldn't havefallen asleep, and I wish I
wouldn't have fallen asleep, butyou guys had to know the
details and I was allowed toshare them, so I wanted to put
them out there because obviouslythe trolls are roaming and, um,
(37:14):
I'm not a liar and I don't haveanything to hide and I'm it's
okay to tell you guys.
You guys all want her home.
Who cares what she did?
And she's not just you'redisoriented anymore.
She is, and I said that in thebeginning, not even because the
way she was acting, but becauseif she's been out in the desert
for three hours, yeah, she'sgonna be disoriented.
(37:36):
She didn't take anything withher.
The people that Sarah said sheonly had white t-shirt and gray
pants and that was it.
She didn't have a water bottle,I don't.
I don't know what she's got andif she's out in the desert,
it's hot here and those of usthat live here, you're
dehydrated, you're thirsty,you're hungry.
What if she fell and hit herhead and that?
(37:56):
So I woke up, it was was like 7, 18.
And I said because I was in herbed and her door was open all
night, so I couldn't have heardthat.
And I was in her bed and she wasjust gone and I immediately got
(38:17):
up and I looked around thehouse and I'm just going, where
is she?
I just don't know where thehell is she?
And I go, and I told Zach and Isaid Carly's not in her bed and
so just started to panic andgot in our cars and just started
driving all around.
I drove my Corolla out in theboonies over boulders and Zach
took the truck and he took thebinoculars and then, you know,
(38:40):
two hour point, two hours wasthe point where something's
wrong.
And then for the neighbor tosay he saw her at 6 30 in the
morning is what he told me, buthe's older.
And then the three confirmedpeople two are neighbors that
live up here and the one otherperson that saw her was a wooder
(39:03):
driving by and just saw herstanding inside the barbed wire
fence.
So, and the timeline that theysay, I was like how could I have
missed her?
You know she was just rightthere, just something's wrong.
She was just right there, justsomething's wrong.
(39:25):
Somebody took her.
There's just something and Iwanted to put it out there and I
want you guys all to know.
And so if you needed to knowall that, great.
And if you didn't care.
Great, because I don't care.
I just want her.
We want her home and thank youfor the continued support and
and let's bring Carly home.
And thank you all again.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
So basically, okay, melissa is fumbling around and
she is doing a typical FacebookLive video, okay, and she's
asking for people to help getinvolved in the search.
I don't know how people expectsomeone to act if they're on a
(40:05):
Facebook Live and theirstepdaughter is missing.
She's gonna be nervous.
She's gonna be nervous.
There were comments made onlinethat she's not looking directly
in the camera, she's lookingaround.
Well, anyone I've ever seen doa Facebook Live video no one is
just looking directly in thecamera.
She's looking around.
Well, anyone I've ever seen doa Facebook live video no one is
just looking directly in thecamera the whole time.
(40:27):
People are always lookingaround.
People record themselvessitting in a car doing Facebook
lives.
They're constantly lookingaround.
Obviously, most times they'redriving or they may be you know
wherever it is.
No one is just staring directlyat the camera the whole time.
Now, take into account the factthat your stepdaughter's missing
.
You're really not going to bejust staring into the phone as
(40:51):
you're talking about her goingmissing.
So I felt like they were kindof ripping her apart about that
and they're analyzing differentwords that she's using.
I think she had made thecomment at one point that
investigators are having no luckfinding Carly and that
something to the effect of theleads or whatever it was has
(41:14):
turned up dead.
She said the word dead in hersentence and they're like I
can't believe she used the worddead.
Your daughter is missing and Iget.
In most cases you're going toavoid words that talk about
death or talk about, in thiscase, the word dead.
You're going to be careful notto use certain words.
(41:35):
You're going to kind of tiptoearound those words because the
thought of that being theoutcome is unimaginable, but, at
the same time, using that worddoesn't make her a killer.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I would agree that that doesn't make her a killer
and, yes, that she probably waspretty nervous on that.
I guess what does strike me asodd is that now you have the dad
that had called biologicalmother saying she's gone, and I
thought, okay, that guys,they're not going to really
choose their words, Guy, girl,whatever, I mean in the heat of
(42:07):
the moment.
But then now for the stepmom tobe saying using words like dead
, and again I mean I'm going togive her the benefit of the
doubt that probably she didn'tmean to use those choice of
words, but it is a littlecoincidental that you know she
did say that after what herhusband had said.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Well, I do agree and I definitely don't detest that
they are using, well, very poorchoice of words and these are
not words that I would use.
These are not words that mostpeople would use, I think, in
this situation.
So it really is difficult and Ican't entirely say I don't
blame the online sleuths forreally digging into this,
(42:49):
because Carly has still neverbeen found and so it is
important to look at all anglesto look at the father, to look
at the stepmother.
The stepmother was the last oneto see her alive and I don't
know how thorough theinvestigation was into her
parents.
Sometimes they rule that out alittle too quickly.
(43:13):
So while I definitely thinkthat she probably didn't mean to
use those words, and I'm notseeing anything suspicious like
the online sleuths are seeing,it doesn't necessarily mean that
they shouldn't be analyzingthis, because in past cases,
online web sleuths have solvedcases, so I think that they are
(43:38):
important to an investigation,to give the Gabby Petito
investigation into her death andhow it was an online sleuth
that ended up spotting her van,driven by Brian Laundrie, and
they were able to recover herbody.
So, but then you have othersituations where I think online
(43:58):
sleuths can do more harm thangood, and they can actually
become so involved in aninvestigation that they hinder
the investigation.
They get in the way of thepolice.
But I think everyone shoulddraw their own conclusion.
While I'm not really on boardwith what the online sleuths are
saying in this situation, Idon't see anything crazy
(44:20):
suspicious about Melissa Guse,necessarily, from everything I
found.
Everyone has their own opinion,so I would like to hear
everyone else's opinion, though,on this case and which way you
kind of kind of shift in your inyour theories.
But another claim that causedpeople to believe Melissa had
something to do with Carly'sdisappearance was that Melissa
(44:42):
allegedly had detail work doneto her car right after Carly
went missing.
That produced the theory thatMelissa may have accidentally
hit Carly with her car.
I didn't find a whole lot.
I really didn't find anythingthan strictly the accusation
made by online people that thateven happened.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
So I have nothing to back that up, but you're saying
the theory is that she hit herwith her car the night she went
to pick her up.
So all the other story as faras the witnesses, the you know
making her a salad or thedevil's lettuce, and the
footprints that the police, tomy understanding, saw, were all
(45:21):
made up in this theory.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, and that's just it.
That's what I'm saying.
Some of the theories yeah, Icould see it being a very
plausible theory based on whatwe already know.
That is just one more theorythat I would toss out the window
, because then you have todiscount the recording of Carly,
which, okay, someone could say,hey, who knows that that was a
(45:46):
recording of her that night.
That could have been arecording of her from a
different night, or somebodycould argue that.
But we go right back to.
You have to discount thewitnesses.
So are you saying that threewitnesses, three separate
witnesses who were neighbors inthe vicinity of where the Guse
house is, that they made this upand, according to authorities,
(46:10):
these are very crediblewitnesses.
So that's just another theorythat I would toss out the window
and, like I said, I don't haveanything to back that up.
That she did have work done.
But even if she did, you haveto discredit the all three of
the witnesses.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, exactly, and I mean the police are involved and
they're gathering evidence atthis point, so I think they
would have figured that out.
What it's sounding like is thatthere was already an
appointment made for the detailand unfortunately,
coincidentally, it just happenedto be so close to when she went
(46:47):
missing.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
And if that even really happened, there's nothing
to back that up, so that couldjust strictly be some kind of
accusation.
So other theories point toCarly's boyfriend, donald.
It has been stated, though notconfirmed, that Carly had called
a suicide hotline a few weeksbefore her disappearance and
that her and Donald had aseemingly tumultuous
(47:09):
relationship.
According to reports on theCharlie Project, carly texted
her boyfriend at 10.15 pm thenight before she went missing to
tell him that the marijuana shehad smoked had been laced with
something.
This was her final text to herboyfriend.
Online sleuths have pointed outDonald's behavior the night.
Carly went into extreme panic,deeming his behavior suspicious.
(47:34):
Donald allegedly posted onFacebook the following quote no,
me and Carly were walkingalmost to my house and she got
so damn scared it was scaring me.
So I looked her in the eyes andsaid Carly, baby, you are safe
with me.
And then she got this horrifiedlook on her face and started
(47:55):
screaming my name.
So I wrapped my arms around herto hold her and she bit my side
and was pushing me away.
So I let go and she told me notto follow her and to go home.
So I stayed in the middle ofthe street for like 20.
I wanted to chase after my baby, but it was pitch black and I
didn't want to scare her anymore.
(48:16):
To this day, I wish I had chasedafter her.
I wish we had made it to myhouse.
I wish none of this hadhappened.
Unquote.
Donald is also reported asposting that there were never
any.
There was never any party thatnight and that Carly and him
were at a friend's house smokingweed.
Not an actual party.
Okay, everyone can draw theirown conclusion here, but I
(48:41):
personally don't see anythingsuspicious about Donald's post,
and whether people are callingthe get-together a party or a
few friends hanging outlistening to music and smoking
marijuana is irrelevant to mepersonally.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
That would explain why Melissadidn't find her at the party.
He was with her when they left.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, he was with her when they left.
They were.
I guess they were walking, butthere was no mention.
When Melissa found her she waswell.
I guess she had already ranaway from Donald and that's why
Melissa found her running downthe street, a dark street like
that.
So, and it corroborates withDonald's story, I don't know.
(49:26):
I don't find that Facebook postsuspicious.
I find him posting on Facebookwhat happened that night and I'm
sure it freaked him out.
He said in the post it freakedhim out.
I think we're reaching atstraws.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, yeah, and I mean, if he was smoking weed
that night too, if he wassmoking from the same that she
was that, who knows what effectit had on him as well.
Now everybody deals with thator reacts differently to weed or
whatever it was laced with, soit doesn't sound like he had had
such a severe episode, but allthe same, I mean, we know that
(50:05):
he was smoking weed as well, sothat's going to alter his
thinking also.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, and probably scare him even more than it
would have been if he wascompletely sober when his
girlfriend is in such hystericslike that.
So, in an article published onOctober 8th 2023 by the Review
Journal, five years afterCarly's disappearance,
authorities are searching forclues in Tenopa, nevada, with
(50:37):
the Mono County Sheriff'sDepartment stated that in March
2021, he received a call from awitness who claims to have seen
Carly at a party in Tanopa,which is approximately 100 miles
from Carly's home in ChalfantValley.
Police are taking this lead veryseriously and Detective
(50:58):
Pelichowski stated thatauthorities located a vehicle
that may have been used to pickCarly up from alongside Highway
6 and take her to Tanopa.
This lead is being investigatedby the Mono County Sheriff's
Department as well as the FBI,so it sounds more likely that
this is kind of what happened,what we were talking about
earlier.
She wandered off to the highwayand somebody picked her up, and
(51:23):
if they have found a car thatthey believe that was left on
the side of the road, they'vegot their reasons as to why they
are tying it that car to her.
Whether they found something inthe car of hers or I'm just
speculating because they're notreleasing that.
You know there could be.
There's got to be somethingwith that car, tying that car to
(51:45):
her to make them think thatthat was a car used to pick up
Carly.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yes, obviously, but that many years later and still
nothing, though I don't know,and for them not to publicly
come out with more information.
It sounds like it is suspicious, but not enough to totally say
that this was what happened.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, I don't think they're going to come out and
give that information strictlybecause it's an active
investigation and they don'twant to give information out
that only the suspect would know.
Know they give all thatinformation out to everyone.
Well then, that's, that'smaking it even harder to narrow
down a suspect.
But there's something with thatcar, whether, like I said, it's
(52:31):
, it's something that was leftin there or it was dna evidence
of hers found in there, forwhatever reason, or maybe he's
tied to some other kidnappingand they're thinking, hmm, this
is very likely that it couldhave been the same situation.
But it sounds like that is kindof the theory that they're
(52:53):
going with too, based on all theevidence that they have and we
don't know all the evidence thatthey have.
But so when Carly was reportedmissing, there were no Amber
Alerts issued because of thefact that there was no immediate
indication of abduction orphysical description of a car.
There were no outside camerasinstalled at the Guse home and
(53:16):
no gas stations or other markerswith cameras in the vicinity or
other markers with cameras inthe vicinity.
Helicopters, search dogs,horseback searchers and off-road
vehicles were all involved insearching the area filled with
desert and rugged terrain.
However, the searches conductedhave turned up nothing.
Carly Langusse was 16 years oldat the time of her disappearance
(53:40):
and would be 22 years old today.
Carly is a white female withdark blonde hair and blue eyes.
She is 5 foot 7 inches tall andweighs approximately 110 pounds
.
She has a piercing in her leftnostril.
Carly was last seen by herfamily at her residence in the
White Mountain Estates area ofChalfant Valley in Mono County,
(54:03):
california.
She was last seen by witnesseswalking south, approximately 30
yards east of Highway 6 and 100yards south of Sierra View Road,
on the morning of October 13,2018.
She was likely wearing graysweatpants, a white t-shirt and
Vans shoes.
(54:24):
The FBI is offering a reward ofup to $5,000 for information
leading to the whereabouts ofCarly Gusset.
If you have any information ofthe location of Carly Gusset,
please call the Mono CountySheriff's Department at area
code 760-932-7549, option 7, orthe National Center for Missing
(54:50):
and Endangered Children at800-THE-LOST, that's
800-843-5678.
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Blink.
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