August 26, 2024 • 31 mins
What happened to Sofia Juarez the night before her fifth birthday? Join us on a heart-wrenching journey as we recount the tragic events of February 2003 that forever altered the lives of Sofia’s family. From her innocent decision to follow her grandmother's boyfriend to the nearby convenience store, to the chilling revelation of her likely abduction, we unravel the emotional turmoil and the relentless search for answers. This episode captures the swift response of the Kennewick police and explores how a young girl's disappearance can shatter a community.
We delve into the haunting and perplexing details surrounding Sofia's case, including eyewitnesses who reported a suspicious windowless van and the unsettling question: could this have been a premeditated crime or a tragic crime of opportunity? We also touch on the specter of human trafficking and the chilling possibility that Sofia might have known her abductor. With updates on the investigation, including descriptions of key witnesses and suspects, we urge the public to come forward with any information that could help bring closure to Sofia’s family. Listen in, and be part of the community effort to seek justice for Sofia Juarez.
Anyone with information is urged to contact the website below:
https://www.go2kennewick.com/1368/What-Happened-to-Sofia
or contact Al Wehner at (509) 582-1331
or email Al Wehner at alwehner@ci.kennewick.wa.us
Non-Emergency dispatch contact (509) 628-0333
Source Credits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Sofia_Juarez
https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/crime/article251841388.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/tiktok-video-missing-girl-case/index.html
https://www.go2kennewick.com/1376/Updates-on-Sofias-Investigation
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
it can all happen in a blink.
You turn your head for just onesecond, you get distracted, you
get a phone call or one of yourother children needs your
attention.
You thought it would be okayfor them to play outside in the
(00:33):
front of the house, becausethey're right in front of your
house.
You take your eyes off them forjust one second and now they're
gone.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The search continues for Sofia Juarez, who
disappeared from her home inKennewick.
Police believe she was abductedas she walked near her home.
Sofia was only four years oldwhen she disappeared.
Police say she attempted tofollow a family member to the
store on foot but was never seenagain.
(01:14):
Four-year-old Sophia Juarezdisappeared from Kennewick in
February 2003, a day before herfifth birthday, February 2003,.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
a day before her fifth birthday, extreme panic
sets in and fills every inch ofyour body as you frantically
look around, scanning everythingand everyone who walks by.
How could this happen?
This family needs closure.
It's been very hard.
(01:44):
Closure, it's been very hard.
These are the kinds ofquestions that Maria Juarez
asked herself on the day herdaughter, four-year-old Sofia
Juarez, simply disappeared justone day before her fifth
birthday.
This is the case into thedisappearance of Sofia Juarez,
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and this is Gone in a Blink.
Hey, true crime fans, I'm yourhost, heather, and I'm Danielle.
Welcome to episode 23 of Gonein a Blink.
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It is almost the end of Augustalready and most kiddos have
started the new school year andpreseason football is underway.
Woohoo.
If any of our listeners arefootball fans, I'd love to hear
which team you're cheering for.
We here at our house arediehard Kansas City Chiefs fans,
except my nine-year-old son,who likes to be different, so he
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cheers on the PhiladelphiaEagles, the Dallas Cowboys and
the Cincinnati Bengals, as well,so you're saying everybody but
the Chiefs he cheers for Prettymuch.
I think he just tries to bedifferent, and I really don't
even think he's going by theteam itself or how well they
play.
He goes by the mascot, so hethinks the Bengals outfits are
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really cool, or the PhiladelphiaEagles he loves the Eagle.
So he's not really anything tobe different.
He's pretty funny though thatway, and he knows that he gets
under our skin because we're bigChiefs fans.
So today's case takes place inthe town of Kennewick,
washington, and is one that,even to this day, has really
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gripped this tight-knitcommunity as well as the nation
as a whole.
Today we are talking about thecase of missing four-year-old
Sofia Juarez.
So if you're ready, let's jumpright in.
Sofia Lucerno Juarez was bornon February 5th 1998 to her
mother, maria Juarez, and herfather, andres Gutierrez Ebrahan
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.
Sofia never had any kind ofrelationship With her father and
in fact Andres even denied atone point that he actually was
Sophia's father.
Sophia lived on the 100 blockon East 15th Avenue in East
Kennewick, washington, and thereshe lived with a lot of various
family Members, including hermother, maria, her grandmother,
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ignacia Prado Juarez, hergrandmother's boyfriend, jose
Lopez Torres, and six of heraunts and uncles.
Maria was only 20 years old atthis time, and so she had a ton
of help with.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sofia.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
She just had a lot of family there to help watch out
for her daughter, and still inan instant, she became extremely
vulnerable.
So on the evening of February4th 2003, one day before her
fifth birthday, sophia washanging out at her home with her
family, playing with hercousins and her younger uncle.
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Around 8 pm that evening, hergrandmother's boyfriend, jose
Torres, decided that he wasgoing to run to a nearby
convenience store, and he askedthe other kids if any of them
wanted to tag along.
No one wanted to go.
However, at the very lastminute, sofia decided that she
did want to go.
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Jose was not aware that Sofiahad changed her mind, though,
and so he left the house withouther, not even knowing that she
was wanting to go.
Not realizing that Jose hadalready left, sophia asked her
mother for a dollar to spend atthe convenience store.
Maria gave her daughter adollar and watched her leave the
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room, and then heard the frontdoor open and then the door
closed behind her.
This would be the last timethat Maria Juarez would ever see
her daughter.
Jose arrived at the conveniencestore and bought some milk, and
then made a phone call to somerelatives in Mexico using the
store's payphone, and hereturned back home at 9 45 pm.
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Once he arrived home, maria wasasking him where Sophia was and
Jose thought she'd stayed homeand Maria obviously thought that
she went with Jose.
Maria began franticallysearching for her daughter and
by 9 53 pm she contacted theKennewick police department to
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file a missing persons report.
I know we don't always see thisin a lot of cases, but the
Kennewick police department werevery quick to jump on this case
.
It could have been due to thefact that it involves a child,
or maybe it was due to the factthat many reports have stated
how tight-knit this communityreally is and they just have a
really awesome police departmentthat knows just how little time
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you actually have to find thatmissing child before the outcome
becomes less likely thatthey'll find them alive.
So the police arrived on sceneless than three minutes after
receiving the call.
They conducted interviews withall family members living at the
residence and several officersbegan searching the Juarez home,
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the yard, the vehicles of allfamily members, neighbors' yards
and other property around theneighborhood, including parks,
playgrounds, schools, businesses, fields and vacant lots in the
area.
They searched everywhere withina three-mile or 4.8-kilometer
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radius surrounding Sophia'sneighborhood.
After speaking with familymembers, it was almost
immediately determined by policethat this was a potential child
abduction.
Within an hour, word ofSophia's disappearance began
flooding the media, and withinthe same hour the FBI stepped in
and joined forces with theKennewick Police Department in
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the search for Sophia.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Wow, it seems like that they really tried their
best to get on this.
I mean to respond within threeminutes and within the hour.
Media outlets, fbi was involved.
I mean I could definitely tellthe effort here.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yes, they.
This is the type of situationthat, even though the outcome
isn't what we all have beenhoping for, I like to see the
police jump right in instead ofnow.
Granted, this little girl wasonly four years old, so that
could have played a huge part init, because, you know, a lot of
times with older kids or, youknow, teenagers especially they
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consider, oh, you know, theyprobably just ran away and they
really dragged their feet to geton it.
Now, I think the fact that shewas four years old played a huge
part, because I don't thinkthat they really gave it any
kind of thought that, hey, shemight be a runaway, she's four
years old, she could have been arunaway, I mean, but they
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didn't treat it like that andthey were on it quick.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
It seems like they were on it quick.
But I guess what scares me toois that how quickly, even with
those efforts, efforts that shewas just gone as a mother, that
that is very scary to me, thatit can happen that fast, yes,
and that is extremely scary, andthat is the point that I want
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to try to make to all of ourlisteners.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm sure most of them already know this, but it can
happen so quickly.
So local citizens beganparticipating in the search and
they would continue volunteeringin the search several days
after her disappearance, lookingin dumpsters and garbage cans
and fields surrounding the home.
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Just hours after Sophia wentmissing, the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Childrenwere notified and around that
same time, the first ever AmberAlert was issued in the state of
Washington.
This alert lasted 36 hours andSophia was entered into the
Washington State and NationalCrime Database as a missing or
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endangered person.
During the next several days,investigators searched
tirelessly, searching rivers andother nearby bodies of water
and sewer systems, andneighborhoods and rural areas as
well.
The searchers included morethan 500 police officers and
dive and rescue teams, as wellas FBI agents, incident
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management crews, the CoastGuard, King County search and
rescue cadaver dogs and civilianvolunteers.
So we've got a lot of peopleout there searching for this
little girl.
Rewards were offered by CrimeStoppers as well as the
Fraternal Order of Police forinformation leading to Sophia's
whereabouts.
More than 800 tips werefollowed up on and several
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search warrants on multiplehouses and vehicles were
conducted.
Family members of Sophia's werethoroughly investigated and her
bio.
Dad was even tracked down andinvestigated and, it is
important to note, he wascooperative with investigators
and had been able to provide anairtight alibi which quickly
ruled him out as a suspect.
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Police also located more than150 registered sex offenders in
the Kennewick area, looking forany links they may have had to
Sophia.
A DNA profile for Sophia wasthen created and entered into
the CODIS database, which is theFBI's National Combined DNA
Index System, and this systemstores someone's DNA profile and
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then periodically compares itagainst unidentified persons or
remains that have been recoveredanywhere throughout the entire
country.
The family of Sofia Juarez helda candlelight vigil for her on
February 11th, one week afterher disappearance.
There were more than 300 peoplethat showed up to share their
support for the family.
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A public memorial had beencreated outside the Juarez home,
but three weeks after Sofia'sdisappearance, the memorial was
taken down and it seemed as ifhope in finding Sofia was slowly
fading.
The day after Sofia'sdisappearance, the memorial was
taken down and it seemed as ifhope in finding Sophia was
slowly fading.
The day after Sophia'sdisappearance.
A witness came forward recallingan encounter on the day that
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Sophia went missing between ayoung girl and a Hispanic boy
who was believed to be between11 and 14 years old, and the
witness reports that he saw theboy approach Sophia and then led
her towards a white van with nowindows that was parked on the
street close by.
The witness stated that thegirl was crying and the boy was
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laughing as he lured her away.
The Tri-City Herald reportedthat it happened around 8 30 pm
on February 4th 2003, and thatthe van was stopped on 14th
Street facing west.
The witness was stopped at astop sign and didn't realize
what he was actually witnessinguntil word of Sophia's
disappearance hit the media.
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After seeing photos of Sophiaposted on the news, as well as
photos provided by police, thewitness said he was positive
that the girl he saw was in factSophia, and police consider
this witness highly credible.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Wow that.
I mean that that's really crazyOne.
I guess what stands out to meis a van with no windows.
I don't think I've ever seenthat, but I also and maybe this
is a little cynical, I don'tknow but it seems like when
things like this happen, there'salways like somebody that takes
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kind of advantage of thesituation.
You know like, oh, I saw, youknow, I witnessed this, but but
they're the only ones that didso.
I don't know.
I want to believe it for thefamily and for her, but I don't
know For no one else to haveseen something like that a van
with no windows hanging out inthe neighborhood.
(14:00):
I don't know.
I mean, does that sound crazyto you?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It does sound different, but not that it was a
van with no windows, becausethere's a lot of mostly work
vans, painter vans, constructionvans of that sort won't have
any windows because they havetools and things like that
inside that they don't wantpeople to be able to see.
And that was actually what thewitness described this as was
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something that was more like aconstruction van or a painter's
van or something of that sort.
So that doesn't surprise methat the van looked like that.
Now, I don't know how busy thisarea is, especially at that
time of night.
I mean it was, I don't know.
I mean it's not like it waslate, but it was around 830 ish.
So it is weird that there'sonly one witness and the police
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do consider this witnesscredible and they're not
releasing why they consider thiswitness credible and we'll talk
about that in just a minuteabout how quickly this all
happened.
So police suspect that the boydid not act alone.
Considering the fact thatSophia was taken so abruptly and
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the fact that to this day,sophia's body has never been
found.
Now, okay, I really question howthis all played out, because
it's around 8.30 at night inFebruary, so it's pitch dark at
that time in the winter, right,and she's one day away from
turning five years old, so she'spretty little.
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And she walks out her frontdoor to go with her
grandmother's boyfriend andpretty quickly realizes that he
had already left.
What happens after that?
She doesn't turn around and goback inside and she couldn't
have been out there that long.
Reports showed that shedisappeared around 8 pm and Jose
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returned home at 9 45.
So that's a little less thantwo hours An hour and 45 minutes
, if the times are exact.
So in that hour and 45 minutesSophia was abducted.
Does that sound strange to you?
That's a very short amount oftime to be outside and then just
randomly be abducted.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I guess what I think of.
Okay, february 11th, it's goingto be pretty cold outside, so I
could picture Sophia lookingaround for the boyfriend not
finding him.
Oh, it's pretty cold, it's darkby that time.
I could see her going inside atthat point.
So that's where I come back to.
(16:37):
Ok, if he left about eighto'clock but then somebody saw
her getting into a van at 830,just the timing doesn't, doesn't
seem to add up for me it justseems like it all happened so
quick.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So now, sources I found said that police believe
that sofia attempted to followjose to the store that night
after realizing that he had leftwithout her, and reports also
state that the convenience storewas located just a few blocks
from the Juarez home.
However, sofia never made it tothe store that night and video
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surveillance from theconvenience store that night
confirmed Jose's version ofevents.
So was this a real crime ofopportunity or did it just so
happen that this boy, andwhatever accomplices he had with
him, just happened to crosspaths with Sophia as she was
trying to follow Jose to thestore?
Maybe Sophia didn't even knowhow to get to the store.
(17:35):
I mean, she was only four yearsold so she could have.
I mean, I guess it's possible.
Some kids are fearless.
Maybe this little four-year-oldthe dark didn't faze her.
I do know reports said that sheleft without her coat.
So it is cold in Washington,especially at that time of year.
She's outside without a coat,it's dark.
Maybe she thought she did knowwhere the convenience store was.
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I feel like at some point shewould have turned around and
thought it's too dark, it's toocold, I'm never gonna catch up
with him.
It's so quick for her to beabducted.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't know it happens, but Well, something
that comes to mind for me Okay,if she was attempting to catch
up with the grandmother'sboyfriend, that would tell me
that she saw him, and If she'strying to catch up with him, I
would think that she's trying toget his attention somehow to,
maybe so she could catch up withhim.
So that's where it seems kindof weird there, definitely that
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she didn't have a coat.
But also, let's say, okay, thatthe white van theory is true
and for it to happen thatquickly, I feel like the white
van had been in the neighborhoodfor a while, meaning kind of
scoping out places.
Maybe she was at one point orother kids playing out in their
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yard and just looking for anopportunity, maybe not for
Sophia specifically, but anychild.
I guess the number one thingthat I think of is human
trafficking.
For something to happen thatquickly and like her just to be
gone, like that, that reallyscreams human trafficking to me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yes, it is possible that this van was just so
happened to be out there scopingout the neighborhood.
It could be possible to thatthey knew there was more than
one kid that lived in this houseand they could have known that.
They knew there was more thanone kid that lived in this house
and they could have known thatthey could have seen Sophia
before.
Her mother did say in reportsfrom sources that I found that
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she believed that Sophia wouldnever willingly go with a
stranger and that she felt likeit could have been someone that
Sophia knew.
And it doesn't take much for akid to think they know someone
and that, unfortunately, is partof the grooming process,
because they can meet someone.
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And when I say meet just a guy,come rolling through and say hi
and the typical, will you helpme find my puppy?
Or hey, I like your outfit.
Or just making small talk withthe child to get them to feel
more comfortable and maybe notabduct them that time.
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But a few times of that thechild feels like, hey, they're
not a stranger anymore.
And I try to talk to my ownkids about it's not just someone
that you know, it has to besomeone that your mom and dad
know too.
And hey, I'm gonna be honest,even if it's someone that the
parents think they know, youdon't totally know someone or
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their intentions, so it's reallyjust a slippery slope, I guess.
I question, I question how longwas she actually out there
before she was abducted?
I'm thinking she couldn't havebeen out there that long.
Her home was in that 100 blockof East 15th Street and the
witness saw the abduction takeplace on 14th Street, so that's
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not that far away.
We're talking maybe a block.
I mean, I don't know whatreally, what ends of the street
or how long these blocks are,but it's.
It just all seemed socoincidental that she would be
outside chasing hergrandmother's boyfriend down or
attempting to, and then, in thatshort amount of time, she gets
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abducted.
It's really strange to me, butthere's also a lot that I'm sure
we're not ever going to know,probably because the police are
not going to let thatinformation out.
It's still an ongoinginvestigation, but, according to
Wikipedia, sergeant RandyMenard said in a 2011 interview
that he believed Sophia wasstill alive, and that quote.
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My gut is that she's alive.
If she's deceased, we'd havefound her remains unquote In May
2021, a 22-year-old woman inMexico, with a strong
resemblance to age-progressedphotos of Sophia Juarez, posted
a video on TikTok.
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Progressed photos of SofiaJuarez posted a video on TikTok
and in that video, a TikTok useris interviewing the woman in
Spanish.
The woman says in the videothat she is 22 and hates
birthdays.
The woman mentions that shewould like to talk with her
family because some people havetold her that she had been
kidnapped and that she wouldlike to know where she's from.
Other TikTok users noticed theresemblance and contacted
Kennewick police, who thenopened up an investigation, had
been kidnapped and that shewould like to know where she's
from.
Other TikTok users noticed theresemblance and contacted
Kennewick police, who thenopened up an investigation and
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by February 2022, investigatorscame to the conclusion and made
the announcement to the publicthat, after thoroughly
investigating the woman, theyhad compiled enough information
to strongly suggest that thewoman featured in the TikTok
video was not Sophia.
They were also able to solidifythat through DNA testing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Wow, I mean, that seems very coincidental.
I mean to find someone thatlooked that familiar to her.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's so ironic I mean , wow, I, I mean dna, but still
that sounds like that could havebeen a pretty credible leak
yeah, I think that the familyand law enforcement were really
hoping that that was her, and itis noted in different sources
that she never claimed to besophia, but she did feel like
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she had been kidnapped at onepoint.
And well, family was tellingher or people were telling her I
don't know what people that shehad been kidnapped.
And so, because of the strongresemblance, it was the other
TikTok users that were like, wow, she looks so much like Sophia
Juarez in the age progressvideos and they were the ones
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that stepped up and contactedlaw enforcement and I will post
a picture of Sophia's AgeProgress pictures and the
picture of the TikTok user andyou can kind of see.
But I mean, I guess they wentthrough DNA testing and
concluded that it's.
It's not her.
But since Sophia's disappearance, police have sifted through
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more than 225 leads providinginformation regarding illicit
drug users having accidentallyhit Sophia that night with their
vehicle and after panicking,they allegedly killed her and
buried her body in a remote area.
Several names and vehicledescriptions were provided to
police and continue to beinvestigated and, to be quite
(24:31):
honest, that's something thatseems more likely to me than of
a teenage boy abducting her inthat amount of time.
But wouldn't you feel like that?
Like I mean, I and again Idon't know what evidence they
have but if she was accidentallyhit by a car, you know, who
knows, she wasn't running downthe middle of the road trying to
catch up and then somebodyaccidentally hits her and then,
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especially if that somebody hasgot drugs in the vehicle or
warrants or anything like that,they're not going to want to get
in trouble.
So to me that doesn't sound sofar-fetched.
Now I'm not saying that's whathappened, I have no idea and I
don't want to discount thewitness because obviously police
feel like he's very, verycredible.
(25:14):
But to me, just on the outsidelooking in, that seems more
likely yeah, I mean you bring upsome pretty good points there.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I guess I also go back to what the police officer
said, though, that he feels likeshe's still alive because,
going through 225 leads sayingthat maybe somebody had hit her
and they had a list of drugs inher system and hid the body.
I almost feel like that he wasaddressing that in his statement
, saying that if she wasdeceased they would have found
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the remains by now.
I mean, with this many yearsthat had passed, and I mean in
general not in all cases, but ingeneral that really weighs on
somebody's mind that they've hita little girl, and especially
if it was somebody in thecommunity that saw all the
efforts to try to find thischild, I really feel like
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something would have came outconcrete saying that that had
happened.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, and that's true too, that is true.
So it's very possible thatsomeone did kidnap her and it's
very possible that she is stillalive and she could have been
sold into trafficking.
It happens all the time andbecause of the fact they haven't
found her body but there's alot of there's a lot of missing
people whose remains have neverbeen found and, while some could
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have been sold into sextrafficking, I don't believe all
of them are, so I don't know.
But I feel like in thissituation, you got to go with
the police and if they feel likethe witnesses, if they feel
like his account of whathappened is really strong and
he's a very credible witness,well then more than likely is.
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Unfortunately, there are peoplethat come forward and claim
things just to be in thespotlight and it's sad and it's
sick that people would mess withan investigation like that, but
there's a lot of sick people inthis world.
So in March of 2021, theKennewick Police Department
created a website devoted to thedisappearance of Sophia.
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So in late 2007, maria Juarezmoved to California and in mid
2008, she gave birth to anotherchild.
Unfortunately, six years afterSophia's disappearance, on
January 10th 2009, maria Juarezpassed away in Sacramento,
california, due to medicalcomplications, she was only 26
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years old.
Now police are asking for thepublic's help in locating the
main suspect in Sophia's case.
The juvenile suspect who waswitnessed luring Sophia to a van
the night of her disappearancewas described as being a
Hispanic male, 5 foot to 5 foot2 inches tall, with a light
complexion.
5 foot to 5 foot 2 inches tallwith a light complexion.
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Based on his facial features,the suspect was described as
being chubby, with a baby facethat included a possible mark on
his cheek.
His hair was dark, short andwavy.
He would be 32 to 35 years oldtoday.
Today, the full-size van seenon the night of February 4th
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2003 at the intersection ofWashington and 15th between 8 pm
and 9.15 pm was described as anolder 1970s to early 1980s
full-size panel van with nowindows, resembling a work van.
So this is their main suspect.
This is who they're looking for.
It may not be easy to find himnow because he's not a teenager
anymore.
So the whole description, minusthe light complexion and
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probably the height no, theheight's probably.
He's probably taller than thatby now that kind of all goes out
the window.
So what does that leave you?
You're looking for alight-skinned hispanic man
between those ages.
That's hard, that's like aneedle in a haystack right there
, but I guess this is thedescription that we have.
So sofia juarez was four yearsold at the time of her
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disappearance and she was justone day away from her fifth
birthday.
She was last seen wearing a redlong-sleeved shirt, blue
overalls, violet socks, whiteConverse shoes and gold hoop
earrings.
Anyone with information is askedto visit the website and we
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will post this on our page inour show notes, actually, and on
our page.
The website iswwwgotokennewickcom.
Backslash 1368, backslashwhat-happened-to-sophia.
Again, I will put that in ourshow notes.
(30:01):
Or you can also contact SpecialInvestigator Al Wenner at area
code 509-582-1331 or email himat alwenner that's W-E-H-N-E-R
at cikennewickwaus.
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You can also call non-emergencydispatch at area code
509-628-0333.
And we will post all of thatcontact info in our show notes.
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it can all happen in a blink.
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You thought it would be okayfor them to play outside in the
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front of the house, becausethey're right in front of your
house.
You take your eyes off them forjust one second and now they're
gone.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The search continues for Sofia Juarez, who
disappeared from her home inKennewick.
Police believe she was abductedas she walked near her home.
Sofia was only four years oldwhen she disappeared.
Police say she attempted tofollow a family member to the
store on foot but was never seenagain.
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Four-year-old Sophia Juarezdisappeared from Kennewick in
February 2003, a day before herfifth birthday, February 2003,.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
a day before her fifth birthday, extreme panic
sets in and fills every inch ofyour body as you frantically
look around, scanning everythingand everyone who walks by.
How could this happen?
This family needs closure.
It's been very hard.
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Closure, it's been very hard.
These are the kinds ofquestions that Maria Juarez
asked herself on the day herdaughter, four-year-old Sofia
Juarez, simply disappeared justone day before her fifth
birthday.
This is the case into thedisappearance of Sofia Juarez,
(02:06):
and this is Gone in a Blink.
Hey, true crime fans, I'm yourhost, heather, and I'm Danielle.
Welcome to episode 23 of Gonein a Blink.
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It is almost the end of Augustalready and most kiddos have
started the new school year andpreseason football is underway.
Woohoo.
If any of our listeners arefootball fans, I'd love to hear
which team you're cheering for.
We here at our house arediehard Kansas City Chiefs fans,
except my nine-year-old son,who likes to be different, so he
(02:51):
cheers on the PhiladelphiaEagles, the Dallas Cowboys and
the Cincinnati Bengals, as well,so you're saying everybody but
the Chiefs he cheers for Prettymuch.
I think he just tries to bedifferent, and I really don't
even think he's going by theteam itself or how well they
play.
He goes by the mascot, so hethinks the Bengals outfits are
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really cool, or the PhiladelphiaEagles he loves the Eagle.
So he's not really anything tobe different.
He's pretty funny though thatway, and he knows that he gets
under our skin because we're bigChiefs fans.
So today's case takes place inthe town of Kennewick,
washington, and is one that,even to this day, has really
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gripped this tight-knitcommunity as well as the nation
as a whole.
Today we are talking about thecase of missing four-year-old
Sofia Juarez.
So if you're ready, let's jumpright in.
Sofia Lucerno Juarez was bornon February 5th 1998 to her
mother, maria Juarez, and herfather, andres Gutierrez Ebrahan
(04:02):
.
Sofia never had any kind ofrelationship With her father and
in fact Andres even denied atone point that he actually was
Sophia's father.
Sophia lived on the 100 blockon East 15th Avenue in East
Kennewick, washington, and thereshe lived with a lot of various
family Members, including hermother, maria, her grandmother,
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ignacia Prado Juarez, hergrandmother's boyfriend, jose
Lopez Torres, and six of heraunts and uncles.
Maria was only 20 years old atthis time, and so she had a ton
of help with.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sofia.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
She just had a lot of family there to help watch out
for her daughter, and still inan instant, she became extremely
vulnerable.
So on the evening of February4th 2003, one day before her
fifth birthday, sophia washanging out at her home with her
family, playing with hercousins and her younger uncle.
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Around 8 pm that evening, hergrandmother's boyfriend, jose
Torres, decided that he wasgoing to run to a nearby
convenience store, and he askedthe other kids if any of them
wanted to tag along.
No one wanted to go.
However, at the very lastminute, sofia decided that she
did want to go.
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Jose was not aware that Sofiahad changed her mind, though,
and so he left the house withouther, not even knowing that she
was wanting to go.
Not realizing that Jose hadalready left, sophia asked her
mother for a dollar to spend atthe convenience store.
Maria gave her daughter adollar and watched her leave the
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room, and then heard the frontdoor open and then the door
closed behind her.
This would be the last timethat Maria Juarez would ever see
her daughter.
Jose arrived at the conveniencestore and bought some milk, and
then made a phone call to somerelatives in Mexico using the
store's payphone, and hereturned back home at 9 45 pm.
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Once he arrived home, maria wasasking him where Sophia was and
Jose thought she'd stayed homeand Maria obviously thought that
she went with Jose.
Maria began franticallysearching for her daughter and
by 9 53 pm she contacted theKennewick police department to
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file a missing persons report.
I know we don't always see thisin a lot of cases, but the
Kennewick police department werevery quick to jump on this case
.
It could have been due to thefact that it involves a child,
or maybe it was due to the factthat many reports have stated
how tight-knit this communityreally is and they just have a
really awesome police departmentthat knows just how little time
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you actually have to find thatmissing child before the outcome
becomes less likely thatthey'll find them alive.
So the police arrived on sceneless than three minutes after
receiving the call.
They conducted interviews withall family members living at the
residence and several officersbegan searching the Juarez home,
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the yard, the vehicles of allfamily members, neighbors' yards
and other property around theneighborhood, including parks,
playgrounds, schools, businesses, fields and vacant lots in the
area.
They searched everywhere withina three-mile or 4.8-kilometer
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radius surrounding Sophia'sneighborhood.
After speaking with familymembers, it was almost
immediately determined by policethat this was a potential child
abduction.
Within an hour, word ofSophia's disappearance began
flooding the media, and withinthe same hour the FBI stepped in
and joined forces with theKennewick Police Department in
(07:55):
the search for Sophia.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Wow, it seems like that they really tried their
best to get on this.
I mean to respond within threeminutes and within the hour.
Media outlets, fbi was involved.
I mean I could definitely tellthe effort here.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yes, they.
This is the type of situationthat, even though the outcome
isn't what we all have beenhoping for, I like to see the
police jump right in instead ofnow.
Granted, this little girl wasonly four years old, so that
could have played a huge part init, because, you know, a lot of
times with older kids or, youknow, teenagers especially they
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consider, oh, you know, theyprobably just ran away and they
really dragged their feet to geton it.
Now, I think the fact that shewas four years old played a huge
part, because I don't thinkthat they really gave it any
kind of thought that, hey, shemight be a runaway, she's four
years old, she could have been arunaway, I mean, but they
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didn't treat it like that andthey were on it quick.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
It seems like they were on it quick.
But I guess what scares me toois that how quickly, even with
those efforts, efforts that shewas just gone as a mother, that
that is very scary to me, thatit can happen that fast, yes,
and that is extremely scary, andthat is the point that I want
(09:18):
to try to make to all of ourlisteners.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm sure most of them already know this, but it can
happen so quickly.
So local citizens beganparticipating in the search and
they would continue volunteeringin the search several days
after her disappearance, lookingin dumpsters and garbage cans
and fields surrounding the home.
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Just hours after Sophia wentmissing, the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Childrenwere notified and around that
same time, the first ever AmberAlert was issued in the state of
Washington.
This alert lasted 36 hours andSophia was entered into the
Washington State and NationalCrime Database as a missing or
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endangered person.
During the next several days,investigators searched
tirelessly, searching rivers andother nearby bodies of water
and sewer systems, andneighborhoods and rural areas as
well.
The searchers included morethan 500 police officers and
dive and rescue teams, as wellas FBI agents, incident
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management crews, the CoastGuard, King County search and
rescue cadaver dogs and civilianvolunteers.
So we've got a lot of peopleout there searching for this
little girl.
Rewards were offered by CrimeStoppers as well as the
Fraternal Order of Police forinformation leading to Sophia's
whereabouts.
More than 800 tips werefollowed up on and several
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search warrants on multiplehouses and vehicles were
conducted.
Family members of Sophia's werethoroughly investigated and her
bio.
Dad was even tracked down andinvestigated and, it is
important to note, he wascooperative with investigators
and had been able to provide anairtight alibi which quickly
ruled him out as a suspect.
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Police also located more than150 registered sex offenders in
the Kennewick area, looking forany links they may have had to
Sophia.
A DNA profile for Sophia wasthen created and entered into
the CODIS database, which is theFBI's National Combined DNA
Index System, and this systemstores someone's DNA profile and
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then periodically compares itagainst unidentified persons or
remains that have been recoveredanywhere throughout the entire
country.
The family of Sofia Juarez helda candlelight vigil for her on
February 11th, one week afterher disappearance.
There were more than 300 peoplethat showed up to share their
support for the family.
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A public memorial had beencreated outside the Juarez home,
but three weeks after Sofia'sdisappearance, the memorial was
taken down and it seemed as ifhope in finding Sofia was slowly
fading.
The day after Sofia'sdisappearance, the memorial was
taken down and it seemed as ifhope in finding Sophia was
slowly fading.
The day after Sophia'sdisappearance.
A witness came forward recallingan encounter on the day that
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Sophia went missing between ayoung girl and a Hispanic boy
who was believed to be between11 and 14 years old, and the
witness reports that he saw theboy approach Sophia and then led
her towards a white van with nowindows that was parked on the
street close by.
The witness stated that thegirl was crying and the boy was
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laughing as he lured her away.
The Tri-City Herald reportedthat it happened around 8 30 pm
on February 4th 2003, and thatthe van was stopped on 14th
Street facing west.
The witness was stopped at astop sign and didn't realize
what he was actually witnessinguntil word of Sophia's
disappearance hit the media.
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After seeing photos of Sophiaposted on the news, as well as
photos provided by police, thewitness said he was positive
that the girl he saw was in factSophia, and police consider
this witness highly credible.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Wow that.
I mean that that's really crazyOne.
I guess what stands out to meis a van with no windows.
I don't think I've ever seenthat, but I also and maybe this
is a little cynical, I don'tknow but it seems like when
things like this happen, there'salways like somebody that takes
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kind of advantage of thesituation.
You know like, oh, I saw, youknow, I witnessed this, but but
they're the only ones that didso.
I don't know.
I want to believe it for thefamily and for her, but I don't
know For no one else to haveseen something like that a van
with no windows hanging out inthe neighborhood.
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I don't know.
I mean, does that sound crazyto you?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It does sound different, but not that it was a
van with no windows, becausethere's a lot of mostly work
vans, painter vans, constructionvans of that sort won't have
any windows because they havetools and things like that
inside that they don't wantpeople to be able to see.
And that was actually what thewitness described this as was
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something that was more like aconstruction van or a painter's
van or something of that sort.
So that doesn't surprise methat the van looked like that.
Now, I don't know how busy thisarea is, especially at that
time of night.
I mean it was, I don't know.
I mean it's not like it waslate, but it was around 830 ish.
So it is weird that there'sonly one witness and the police
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do consider this witnesscredible and they're not
releasing why they consider thiswitness credible and we'll talk
about that in just a minuteabout how quickly this all
happened.
So police suspect that the boydid not act alone.
Considering the fact thatSophia was taken so abruptly and
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the fact that to this day,sophia's body has never been
found.
Now, okay, I really question howthis all played out, because
it's around 8.30 at night inFebruary, so it's pitch dark at
that time in the winter, right,and she's one day away from
turning five years old, so she'spretty little.
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And she walks out her frontdoor to go with her
grandmother's boyfriend andpretty quickly realizes that he
had already left.
What happens after that?
She doesn't turn around and goback inside and she couldn't
have been out there that long.
Reports showed that shedisappeared around 8 pm and Jose
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returned home at 9 45.
So that's a little less thantwo hours An hour and 45 minutes
, if the times are exact.
So in that hour and 45 minutesSophia was abducted.
Does that sound strange to you?
That's a very short amount oftime to be outside and then just
randomly be abducted.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I guess what I think of.
Okay, february 11th, it's goingto be pretty cold outside, so I
could picture Sophia lookingaround for the boyfriend not
finding him.
Oh, it's pretty cold, it's darkby that time.
I could see her going inside atthat point.
So that's where I come back to.
(16:37):
Ok, if he left about eighto'clock but then somebody saw
her getting into a van at 830,just the timing doesn't, doesn't
seem to add up for me it justseems like it all happened so
quick.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So now, sources I found said that police believe
that sofia attempted to followjose to the store that night
after realizing that he had leftwithout her, and reports also
state that the convenience storewas located just a few blocks
from the Juarez home.
However, sofia never made it tothe store that night and video
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surveillance from theconvenience store that night
confirmed Jose's version ofevents.
So was this a real crime ofopportunity or did it just so
happen that this boy, andwhatever accomplices he had with
him, just happened to crosspaths with Sophia as she was
trying to follow Jose to thestore?
Maybe Sophia didn't even knowhow to get to the store.
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I mean, she was only four yearsold so she could have.
I mean, I guess it's possible.
Some kids are fearless.
Maybe this little four-year-oldthe dark didn't faze her.
I do know reports said that sheleft without her coat.
So it is cold in Washington,especially at that time of year.
She's outside without a coat,it's dark.
Maybe she thought she did knowwhere the convenience store was.
(17:57):
I feel like at some point shewould have turned around and
thought it's too dark, it's toocold, I'm never gonna catch up
with him.
It's so quick for her to beabducted.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't know it happens, but Well, something
that comes to mind for me Okay,if she was attempting to catch
up with the grandmother'sboyfriend, that would tell me
that she saw him, and If she'strying to catch up with him, I
would think that she's trying toget his attention somehow to,
maybe so she could catch up withhim.
So that's where it seems kindof weird there, definitely that
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she didn't have a coat.
But also, let's say, okay, thatthe white van theory is true
and for it to happen thatquickly, I feel like the white
van had been in the neighborhoodfor a while, meaning kind of
scoping out places.
Maybe she was at one point orother kids playing out in their
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yard and just looking for anopportunity, maybe not for
Sophia specifically, but anychild.
I guess the number one thingthat I think of is human
trafficking.
For something to happen thatquickly and like her just to be
gone, like that, that reallyscreams human trafficking to me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yes, it is possible that this van was just so
happened to be out there scopingout the neighborhood.
It could be possible to thatthey knew there was more than
one kid that lived in this houseand they could have known that.
They knew there was more thanone kid that lived in this house
and they could have known thatthey could have seen Sophia
before.
Her mother did say in reportsfrom sources that I found that
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she believed that Sophia wouldnever willingly go with a
stranger and that she felt likeit could have been someone that
Sophia knew.
And it doesn't take much for akid to think they know someone
and that, unfortunately, is partof the grooming process,
because they can meet someone.
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And when I say meet just a guy,come rolling through and say hi
and the typical, will you helpme find my puppy?
Or hey, I like your outfit.
Or just making small talk withthe child to get them to feel
more comfortable and maybe notabduct them that time.
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But a few times of that thechild feels like, hey, they're
not a stranger anymore.
And I try to talk to my ownkids about it's not just someone
that you know, it has to besomeone that your mom and dad
know too.
And hey, I'm gonna be honest,even if it's someone that the
parents think they know, youdon't totally know someone or
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their intentions, so it's reallyjust a slippery slope, I guess.
I question, I question how longwas she actually out there
before she was abducted?
I'm thinking she couldn't havebeen out there that long.
Her home was in that 100 blockof East 15th Street and the
witness saw the abduction takeplace on 14th Street, so that's
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not that far away.
We're talking maybe a block.
I mean, I don't know whatreally, what ends of the street
or how long these blocks are,but it's.
It just all seemed socoincidental that she would be
outside chasing hergrandmother's boyfriend down or
attempting to, and then, in thatshort amount of time, she gets
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abducted.
It's really strange to me, butthere's also a lot that I'm sure
we're not ever going to know,probably because the police are
not going to let thatinformation out.
It's still an ongoinginvestigation, but, according to
Wikipedia, sergeant RandyMenard said in a 2011 interview
that he believed Sophia wasstill alive, and that quote.
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My gut is that she's alive.
If she's deceased, we'd havefound her remains unquote In May
2021, a 22-year-old woman inMexico, with a strong
resemblance to age-progressedphotos of Sophia Juarez, posted
a video on TikTok.
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Progressed photos of SofiaJuarez posted a video on TikTok
and in that video, a TikTok useris interviewing the woman in
Spanish.
The woman says in the videothat she is 22 and hates
birthdays.
The woman mentions that shewould like to talk with her
family because some people havetold her that she had been
kidnapped and that she wouldlike to know where she's from.
Other TikTok users noticed theresemblance and contacted
Kennewick police, who thenopened up an investigation, had
been kidnapped and that shewould like to know where she's
from.
Other TikTok users noticed theresemblance and contacted
Kennewick police, who thenopened up an investigation and
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by February 2022, investigatorscame to the conclusion and made
the announcement to the publicthat, after thoroughly
investigating the woman, theyhad compiled enough information
to strongly suggest that thewoman featured in the TikTok
video was not Sophia.
They were also able to solidifythat through DNA testing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Wow, I mean, that seems very coincidental.
I mean to find someone thatlooked that familiar to her.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's so ironic I mean , wow, I, I mean dna, but still
that sounds like that could havebeen a pretty credible leak
yeah, I think that the familyand law enforcement were really
hoping that that was her, and itis noted in different sources
that she never claimed to besophia, but she did feel like
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she had been kidnapped at onepoint.
And well, family was tellingher or people were telling her I
don't know what people that shehad been kidnapped.
And so, because of the strongresemblance, it was the other
TikTok users that were like, wow, she looks so much like Sophia
Juarez in the age progressvideos and they were the ones
(23:45):
that stepped up and contactedlaw enforcement and I will post
a picture of Sophia's AgeProgress pictures and the
picture of the TikTok user andyou can kind of see.
But I mean, I guess they wentthrough DNA testing and
concluded that it's.
It's not her.
But since Sophia's disappearance, police have sifted through
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more than 225 leads providinginformation regarding illicit
drug users having accidentallyhit Sophia that night with their
vehicle and after panicking,they allegedly killed her and
buried her body in a remote area.
Several names and vehicledescriptions were provided to
police and continue to beinvestigated and, to be quite
(24:31):
honest, that's something thatseems more likely to me than of
a teenage boy abducting her inthat amount of time.
But wouldn't you feel like that?
Like I mean, I and again Idon't know what evidence they
have but if she was accidentallyhit by a car, you know, who
knows, she wasn't running downthe middle of the road trying to
catch up and then somebodyaccidentally hits her and then,
(24:53):
especially if that somebody hasgot drugs in the vehicle or
warrants or anything like that,they're not going to want to get
in trouble.
So to me that doesn't sound sofar-fetched.
Now I'm not saying that's whathappened, I have no idea and I
don't want to discount thewitness because obviously police
feel like he's very, verycredible.
(25:14):
But to me, just on the outsidelooking in, that seems more
likely yeah, I mean you bring upsome pretty good points there.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I guess I also go back to what the police officer
said, though, that he feels likeshe's still alive because,
going through 225 leads sayingthat maybe somebody had hit her
and they had a list of drugs inher system and hid the body.
I almost feel like that he wasaddressing that in his statement
, saying that if she wasdeceased they would have found
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the remains by now.
I mean, with this many yearsthat had passed, and I mean in
general not in all cases, but ingeneral that really weighs on
somebody's mind that they've hita little girl, and especially
if it was somebody in thecommunity that saw all the
efforts to try to find thischild, I really feel like
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something would have came outconcrete saying that that had
happened.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, and that's true too, that is true.
So it's very possible thatsomeone did kidnap her and it's
very possible that she is stillalive and she could have been
sold into trafficking.
It happens all the time andbecause of the fact they haven't
found her body but there's alot of there's a lot of missing
people whose remains have neverbeen found and, while some could
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have been sold into sextrafficking, I don't believe all
of them are, so I don't know.
But I feel like in thissituation, you got to go with
the police and if they feel likethe witnesses, if they feel
like his account of whathappened is really strong and
he's a very credible witness,well then more than likely is.
(26:58):
Unfortunately, there are peoplethat come forward and claim
things just to be in thespotlight and it's sad and it's
sick that people would mess withan investigation like that, but
there's a lot of sick people inthis world.
So in March of 2021, theKennewick Police Department
created a website devoted to thedisappearance of Sophia.
(27:18):
So in late 2007, maria Juarezmoved to California and in mid
2008, she gave birth to anotherchild.
Unfortunately, six years afterSophia's disappearance, on
January 10th 2009, maria Juarezpassed away in Sacramento,
california, due to medicalcomplications, she was only 26
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years old.
Now police are asking for thepublic's help in locating the
main suspect in Sophia's case.
The juvenile suspect who waswitnessed luring Sophia to a van
the night of her disappearancewas described as being a
Hispanic male, 5 foot to 5 foot2 inches tall, with a light
complexion.
5 foot to 5 foot 2 inches tallwith a light complexion.
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Based on his facial features,the suspect was described as
being chubby, with a baby facethat included a possible mark on
his cheek.
His hair was dark, short andwavy.
He would be 32 to 35 years oldtoday.
Today, the full-size van seenon the night of February 4th
(28:34):
2003 at the intersection ofWashington and 15th between 8 pm
and 9.15 pm was described as anolder 1970s to early 1980s
full-size panel van with nowindows, resembling a work van.
So this is their main suspect.
This is who they're looking for.
It may not be easy to find himnow because he's not a teenager
anymore.
So the whole description, minusthe light complexion and
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probably the height no, theheight's probably.
He's probably taller than thatby now that kind of all goes out
the window.
So what does that leave you?
You're looking for alight-skinned hispanic man
between those ages.
That's hard, that's like aneedle in a haystack right there
, but I guess this is thedescription that we have.
So sofia juarez was four yearsold at the time of her
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disappearance and she was justone day away from her fifth
birthday.
She was last seen wearing a redlong-sleeved shirt, blue
overalls, violet socks, whiteConverse shoes and gold hoop
earrings.
Anyone with information is askedto visit the website and we
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will post this on our page inour show notes, actually, and on
our page.
The website iswwwgotokennewickcom.
Backslash 1368, backslashwhat-happened-to-sophia.
Again, I will put that in ourshow notes.
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Or you can also contact SpecialInvestigator Al Wenner at area
code 509-582-1331 or email himat alwenner that's W-E-H-N-E-R
at cikennewickwaus.
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