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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Every single thing we
do in our lives has an outcome,
good or bad.
It ignites a series of events,often referred to as cause and
effect.
Events often referred to ascause and effect.
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For every action there's areaction, and the people who we
cross paths with in our lifetimecan play a huge part in our own
personal cause and effect,sometimes leading us to a place
we may never escape from.
When you're 24 years old, mostof us really don't think about
what could happen.
We live in the moment.
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We tend to be just naive enoughto believe that everyone we
meet is our friend, and thepeople they cross paths with now
become your friends, whetheryou know them or not.
You trust them because everyoneelse does.
Besides, people don't reallyever have bad intentions, do
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they?
One moment you're hanging outlaughing and joking with your
newfound friends and the nextmoment you're gone.
This is the case of missingmother of three, jessica Hamby,
and this is Gone in a Blink.
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Hey, true crime fans, I'm yourhost, heather, and I'm Danielle.
Welcome to episode 33 of Gonein a Blink.
I hope everyone had a fantasticweekend.
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Danielle, did you watch theSuper Bowl?
You know I did.
I have to be honest if itwasn't for our own Kansas City
Chiefs in the Super Bowl, Iwould more than likely only
watch the halftime show.
Kendrick Lamar and SZA I wasexcited about both of them.
Actually, my daughter loves SZAa lot.
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What did you think of theirperformance?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, it was
interesting to say the least.
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It was pretty
exciting.
I'm just really excited thatthe Chiefs were in the Super
Bowl and everything and it wasfun.
It was fun nonetheless, sotoday's case was suggested by
Larisia Lael.
Today's case was suggested byLarisia Lael.
Today, we are talking about thedisappearance of Jessica Hamby,
so if you're ready, let's jumpright in.
Jessica Leanne Hamby was adevoted mother of three.
She loved her children morethan life itself.
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However, she had beenstruggling with addiction, and
this made it really hard for herto be the mother that she felt
her kids deserved.
So, in an effort to help gettheir daughter straightened out,
jessica's parents, keith andLynn Hamby, took her children,
ages 9, 5, and 4, into theirhome in Russellville, alabama.
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Jessica was really determinedto get her life back on track
and had made it several monthsdrug-free.
However, she ended up relapsingat one point, and it was at
that point that she knew thatshe was going to need help
getting clean, and so shevoluntarily checked herself into
a detox program at LakelandCommunity Hospital in Haleyville
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.
On January 2nd 2018, jessica andanother woman in the program
had an altercation with anotherindividual at the center.
At 9 pm, jessica's phone hadturned on and she began text
messaging with an acquaintanceof hers by the name of Alicia
Motes.
Motes was with her boyfriend,eric Edwards, at his parents'
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residence in the Hackleburg area, which is approximately 15
miles, or just over 24kilometers, northwest of
Haleyville, where the detoxcenter was located.
Jessica and Alicia made plansfor Jessica to come there, so
Jessica, along with the otherpatient who'd been involved in
the altercation, voluntarilychecked themselves out of the
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detox facility, and Jessicacaught a ride with the other
woman whose boyfriend pickedthem up from the rehab center.
So, according to lawenforcement, who were able to
track Jessica's whereaboutsthrough geofencing, which,
according to the websiteHowStuffWorks, geofencing is
actually a digital technologythat establish on a map around a
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specific area and then thegeofencing technology monitors
different devices such assmartphones, wi-fi, cellular
data or GPS in that particulararea.
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Before heading to Eric's house,the two women, along with the
boyfriend, made at least acouple of stops along the way,
so at 10.05 pm, they arrived ata camper near a construction
site located near a bridge onHighway 43.
The camper was owned by a mannamed Gilbert Shaw, who was
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working on a constructionproject in the area.
According to reports, aliciaMotes, her boyfriend, eric
Edwards, a man named David ShaneReynolds, gilbert Shaw and
Alicia's brother, derek Motes,were all at the camper.
Now it's after this point thatJessica's phone falls off the
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geofencing radar and it's a bitunclear where she had been.
After this point, did Jessicaever actually make it to
Edwards' house?
Well, according to the group ofpeople that I mentioned earlier
who were with Jessica in thecamper, everyone left late that
night and spent the rest of thenight and early morning hours at
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a residence on Elgin CochranRoad which is presumed to be the
home of Eric Edwards.
This residence is owned by hisfather, raymond Edwards.
Raymond claims that he and hiswife got home around 11 pm on
the night of January 2nd andthat they left the following
morning around 8 am to head towork.
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Raymond and his wife bothmaintain that they never saw
Jessica at their home.
While police believe there's apossibility that Jessica did
spend some time there, there isno true evidence to back up the
assumption that this was thelast place she was seen.
According to the timeline ofevents reported by Solve the
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Case and according to Geofencing, after leaving Gilbert Shaw's
trailer, jessica's phone wastracked at 10 26 pm,
approximately four miles or 6.4kilometers away to the area of
Harper's Junction and by 11.26pm her phone location showed
that she was more than likely onElgin Cochran Road.
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At 11.38 pm, jessica's phonewas reported moving at a speed
that indicates that she was in avehicle and that she had left
the area of Elgin Cochran Roadheading north.
Then by 11.42 pm she was pingedin the area of Military Trail.
Okay.
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Then on January 3rd, at 1 39 am, jessica's phone shows that she
was more than likely on ElginCochran Road, which again is
presumably the Edwards home.
This is the vicinity that itshows on the geofencing and
authorities are thinking thatshe was at Eric Edwards home.
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At 2 42 am, jessica's phoneindicates that she left Elgin
Cochran Road and was travelingby vehicle.
At 7 31 am, jessica's phone hadleft the area again of
Elgin-Cochran Road and by 7.33am she was pinged in the
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Northwest Hamilton location.
At 7.52 am on January 3rd,jessica's phone was detected one
last time in the area ofRideout Falls.
Rideout Falls is approximately6.9 miles, or just over 11
kilometers, northwest of ElginCochran Road.
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Around this time Jessica sendsEric Edwards a text message that
says, quote hey, they ain'tgonna shoot me for walking
unquote.
One minute later she calls Ericwalking unquote.
One minute later she calls Eric.
However, he doesn't answer.
This is the last time thatgeofencing picks up Jessica's
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signal and she has not been seenor heard from since.
So I feel like there were a lotof conflicting reports while
researching this case, whichjust leaves a lot of room for
people to have no choice but tospeculate.
And I think this is becausesome are reporting on what
authorities are relaying to thepublic based on what witnesses
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have told them.
So it had also been reportedthat between the time that
Jessica arrived at the camperand the time that her phone was
tracked for the last time nearRideout Falls, jessica had spent
nearly 10 hours trying toconnect with friends and family
basically acquaintances, anyoneshe could using Facebook
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Messenger in the hopes offinding a ride.
This occurred up until herphone was last pinged around 8
am on January 3rd.
I guess my question is if shewas already traveling by car
just before that time, why wasshe still searching for a ride?
I guess there could be a lot ofreasons for this, but I just
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wonder who was she riding withwhen she went out to ride out
falls?
That couldn't take her backhome.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think something
that we have to keep in mind.
Heather, in that area that is apretty remote area of Alabama.
It kind of prompted me to do alittle bit of my own research
kind of on the location, becauseonce upon a time I lived, lived
in Alabama and I know our cellreception was junk, it just was,
and so, especially when you'regoing into falls or hills, I
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feel like it's a littleunreliable that geofencing is a
little unreliable because of thecell service.
And so, looking to kind of seewhere you had mentioned
Russellville and then Haleyvillenear Bear Creek, I mean it's
all these little towns in there,so we're kind of looking in
between Huntsville and lookinghere to the I mean you're
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getting close to the Mississippiline and it's just off of
Highway 22.
So some of what we have foundand maybe one reason where it
was peening off and on isbecause they're going through
some pretty remote areas and youwould think in 2025 that they
would have that all figured outas far as geofencing.
Unfortunately they don't,especially in rural areas.
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That's something that we needto keep in mind.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, and I'm not
familiar with the area, so I was
wondering just how remote allof this is.
So I could understand thatmaybe geofencing isn't the most
reliable, but I will get intomore of that a little later in
the story, because it wasn'tjust geofencing.
Once the call dropped fromthere, cell phone towers began
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picking up different areas, so Iwill get into that in a moment.
But according to the CharlieProject, jessica spent part of
the night at Eric Edwards' home.
However, eric himself, alongwith Alicia Motes and her
brother Derek, told authoritiesthat there had been an argument
just after 6 am on January 3rd.
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They reported that Jessica thenleft the house, telling them
that she was going to watch thesunrise, despite the fact that
the temperature that morning wasonly six degrees and Jessica
wasn't even dressed for thattype of weather.
They claim they never saw heragain after that, and some news
outlets are saying that the textmessages sent from Jessica to
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Eric before she disappeared weresent from the Edwards property.
Now that is conflicting, so Iwill bring that up again later
in the story.
So 10 days later, on January13th 2018, jessica was reported
missing and her parents hadn'treally thought anything was
wrong for the first week or soafter Jessica disappeared,
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because they were used to nothearing from her for a little
bit and really they knew thatshe had checked herself into the
detox program, so they probablydidn't expect to hear from her
until she completed the program.
Authorities interviewed thepeople who had been with Jessica
that night and it was reportedthat they had given statements
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that were inconsistent with eachother.
According to police, they saythat they have no evidence to
suggest that Jessica ever leftElgin Cochran Road.
So I'm not sure if they're justnot taking the NELOS system
tracking seriously or what.
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And for those that areunfamiliar with the technology,
much like myself, nelos standsfor Network Event Location
System and that was what wasused to estimate the location of
Jessica's phone.
Unfortunately, police aretaking the word of the
individuals who were withJessica that night, despite the
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fact that their stories wereinconsistent and the fact that,
after given polygraph tests, theresults detected deception, and
the ABI, the Alabama Bureau ofInvestigation, has confirmed
this.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I think that's where
it comes in.
What I was saying earlier isthat the technology, while in
larger areas is very helpful, Ifeel like in remote areas, even
to this day, it's going toproduce inconsistent results.
So what it sounds like is thatthe police were trying to do
what they could and other formsof trying to figure out where
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she's, at which that to me wouldmake sense, but the polygraph
they were showing that there wasdeception.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You said yeah, the
results of the polygraph showed
deception.
So I think, as we go furtherinto this, a lot of the
listeners might agree thatsomething happened to this girl.
Obviously something happened,and the people that she was with
appear to be trying to coversomething up.
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So NELOS tracking confirmedthat, although it is more than
likely so that Jessica had beenat Eric Edwards' home at some
point, she did leave that areaand she was traveling by car
away from the area of ElginCochran Road.
And when she sent that finaltext message to Eric, she was
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not on the Edwards' property.
After Jessica's phone droppedfrom geofencing which is a
mystery in itself as to how thateven happened Jessica's phone
was still able to be trackedthrough cell tower data through
her cell phone provider.
The real question here, besideswhere on earth is Jessica is
why would the NELOS logs beignored?
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Like you mentioned earlier,maybe they're not totally
ignored, but maybe they justdon't prove to be as reliable.
However, the cell phone towerpings are reliable and they're
used all the time in cases suchas this.
The people whom she was withthat night have not proven to be
credible, and yet they aresaying that Jessica was at the
Edwards house that night andpart of the morning until she
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walked out into the frigid tempsto watch the sunrise.
The NELOS data clearly showedthis to be false and that she
was actually traveling in avehicle most of the night and
into the early morning hours and, according to logs, Jessica was
not on or near Elgin CochranRoad at the time that all
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communication from hercompletely stopped and her phone
simply vanished from celltowers.
This is absolutely insane to me,and it was reported by
solvethecaseorg that police havenarrowed in on the Edwards
house and focused most of theirefforts on that property.
The property owner, RaymondEdwards, has allowed police to
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search the property usingcadaver dogs and he's been very
forthcoming in all of that.
Police have also conductedsearches of nearby wells.
However, their searches haveturned up nothing, so I guess
there's a few red flags, one ofwhich.
So I guess there's a few redflags, one of which.
If she was there all night, whywould Eric's parents have come
home at 11 o'clock, Edwards?
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And if she's on the propertyall night, why is she messaging
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and trying to call him if he'sthere?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's things like that
that just don't make a lot of
sense to me.
It's not making a lot of senseand you would hope it not be the
case, but I wondered wasanybody using in the house at
the time?
And that could explain alsosome inconsistencies as well.
Was she high, was she not?
I know they just got out of adrug rehab program, so you would
hope not, but I'm wondering, Imean just kind of what was going
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on.
It's such a hard thing becausethat could be why there was no
sign of her.
We don't know the layout of theproperty.
Maybe they have multiplebuildings.
Sign of her.
We don't know the layout of theproperty.
Maybe they have multiplebuildings.
If the owner of the propertygot home at 11 am and was gone
by 8 am, I kind of feel likethey wouldn't have been looking
either, especially if there'smultiple properties that people
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could be on.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I definitely don't
feel like they would have been
particularly looking for her,but they didn't see any sign of
her.
I didn't find anything thatsaid they saw any sign of anyone
else at the party or theget-together that was there, but
no one saw Jessica.
And then this group of people.
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Their story is that she justtook off walking in the frigid
temperatures, never to be seenagain.
I don't know, I just.
I think there's so much more tothe story and I do put a lot of
faith in the cell tower dataitself.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's
probably what is the most
consistent is the cell tower.
They've advanced thattechnology over the years quite
a bit, and so I think it's justso odd that we're showing that
she was on the Edwards propertythe whole time.
But then the inconsistencies inthe story you never know with
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that, maybe people are trying tohide something else, and who
knows why.
People lie right.
I think you also have to takeinto account that there has been
a polygraph and if they weren'tlying because they say
sometimes polygraphs can beinconsistent as well they were
nervous.
They were nervous aboutsomething.
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So I mean, I don't know, it'svery interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I think that
there's a lot kind of entangled
into this that maybeinvestigators are not saying
themselves, but also what is notbeing relayed to investigators
pertaining to her disappearance.
So many people following thecase feel that police are not
focused on any events leading upto Jessica's disappearance and
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are instead seeing tunnel visionwhen looking at her case.
And some even feel thatJessica's disappearance is being
treated as more of anaccidental overdose and I
noticed that a lot.
When you have someone who goesmissing who just happens to be
fighting drug addiction, itseems like all too often the
police want to chalk it up tobeing an overdose, don't you
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feel like?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
that and that's
what's hard is because I can see
both sides of it, and actuallyI was just talking to somebody
that admitted to drug abuse thisweek and we were trying to get
her into an inpatient facility.
These drugs, these mindaltering drugs, they are made to
make you feel good and to kindof take away worry.
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However, that's exactly whatthey cause, like if you already
have anxiety and depression,that's going to make it worse.
So I say all of that.
So, on this side of it, thatshe was trying to get clean and
I really commend her for that,because that's super hard to do
for anybody that is addicted todrugs.
So there is that chance thatshe was trying to get clean and
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she did not take any drugs.
She had met friends and wastrying to get her life back
together.
I think where the police come inon that of just assuming that
it's a drug overdose is becausethey see that too often.
Unfortunately, when you are ina rehab facility, you know you
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do your 30 days and then a lotof people just go back to their
old ways, not saying that.
That was the case here, and Iwould hope that the police would
look into that a little bitfurther.
I wonder if they're not gettinga whole lot of answers on the
other side of that.
So right, as you kind of said,that they're just assuming and
that doesn't make it right.
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It's just unfortunately thatthey've probably seen it so many
times and I'm wondering withthe Edwards the owner that the
people that are involved, ifthey've had multiple crimes and
if the police again not right,are just because of their
history, is kind of assumingsome of these things as well.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, and this is
definitely a good possibility,
and I don't like to seeauthorities just jump to that
conclusion and I get that.
They probably see this veryoften and it is a very plausible
explanation that she didoverdose.
We don't know, we don't haveanything saying that they were
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doing drugs, so we don'ttechnically know.
But is it a possibility?
Absolutely, and it is apossibility that she could have
OD'd and that they could havecovered it up, because they're
not going to call the police ifthey're all at this house doing
drugs and then she overdoses andshe dies.
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They're going to try and coverit up.
More than likely, they're goingto try and cover that up.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Too many times with
any kind of crime.
That's not the intent.
Something ends up happeninglike somebody ODs or couldn't
handle some kind of drug andthen they're just dead, and that
puts the people that are stillthere in a tough situation.
They may feel like they have tolie, so they can't save this
girl now, but they can savethemselves.
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That's kind of like thementality, to a certain extent,
which that could be for anybodywe never know what we're going
to do until we're put in thatsituation.
And I don't care where you comefrom.
That that's just kind of theuniversal thinking.
But yeah, that I mean that'swhat it's sounding like,
especially with the polygraph,because even though polygraphs
cannot necessarily be 100%accurate, they've they've
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figured that out.
I feel like it's also like anervousness as well.
I mean, you talk to FBI agentsor however.
They're looking at othermannerisms when they give the
polygraph of the person'sbehavior to.
However the polygraph comes out.
They're highly trained inlooking at other scenarios,
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other happenings in the person'sbody, that is, taking the
polygraph to try to decide that,and of course that's out of my
expertise, but it's.
It is interesting if you'veever seen any documentaries on
it how they figure that out, sothat's what it's looking like so
far.
Unfortunately, maybe some otherthings were going on and they
were worried about themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
The deception from
the polygraphs could have also
come from the possibility thatthey know what happened to her.
That's the deception.
I'm not saying that is actuallythe deception because I don't
know what the deception was, butit could have been that they
weren't telling the truthbecause they know what happened
to her.
Maybe they didn't actually killher or maybe they did, we don't
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know.
But they could know whathappened to her and know where
she's at, because you still havethe issue with the cell phone
towers picking up that she wasdriving in a car.
Even when she sent that textmessage or that Facebook message
to Eric, cell phone data showsshe was not at the Edwards home
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when she sent that.
So you still have thatsituation right there.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And that's a mystery
in itself.
I think we don't know who tookthe polygraph's history,
criminal history, drug historyhowever, we don't have like a
clear understanding of that.
So I do want to point out andwhy the polygraph can be
inconsistent.
You're going to have somebodythat's pretty nervous taking
that polygraph and perhaps notthinking clearly, and that could
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give that negative resultbecause they were so nervous.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
There were some
strange things that occurred
before Jessica went missing, andI don't think these things were
looked into enough, if at all,one of which was the
disappearance of a good friendof hers by the name of Jeremy
Abbott, who went missing fromthe town of Haleyville, alabama,
in June of 2017.
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Now, if you remember,haleyville is the same town
where Jessica attended the detoxprogram, so it's very close.
It was reported that during thefirst several weeks that Jeremy
was missing, jessica made acomment to her parents that she
in fact knew where Jeremy's bodywas and that she felt that she
needed to tell police.
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However, she was extremelyfearful that if she did so,
something would happen to her aswell.
Then, a little over a monthlater, jessica did go to the
Alabama Police Department inHaleyville and told authorities
where they could find Jeremy.
It was reported that thefollowing morning, investigators
went to the location whereJessica said they would find
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Jeremy, and they did.
He was reportedly hanging froma tree at the edge of the woods
next to the person's propertywhom he was last seen with
before his disappearance.
Marion County Sheriff'sDepartment came out to the scene
and quickly ruled Jeremy'sdeath a suicide, before even
removing his body from the scene.
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It has been reported that acoroner never even came out to
the scene and that an autopsywas never performed.
And unfortunately we've seenthis happen a lot too, where
evidence is looked over andpolice are all too quick to rule
it a homicide.
In fact, the same thinghappened in a case we did over
the summer on the mysteriousdeath of Libby Caswell.
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Remember there was anoverwhelming amount of evidence
to suggest that her death hadbeen a homicide.
However, police ruled it asuicide.
And they were super quick torule that a suicide.
And I think all too oftenpolice are just quick to make
that call without siftingthrough all the facts and maybe
the events leading up to thedisappearance, no matter how far
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back you have to go to get thatinformation I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean because I
totally agree that too many
times police are just jumping toconclusions and who knows why.
I mean maybe funding.
Maybe because you get intothese small counties in the
middle of nowhere, such aswhat's going on in this
situation.
It's not real close to a wholelot of things.
So maybe funding, butpersonally I think that that's
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no excuse, especially for thefamily, that they deserve to
know what happened and a fullinvestigation.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So after this
happened, naturally Jessica was
extremely afraid for her safety.
She had even told many of herfriends that she was getting
threats and she was scared thatthey whoever they were were
going to kill her.
And she even left the state ofAlabama for a while just to kind
of lay low and let the dustsettle before returning home.
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It's unknown how long Jessicastayed away before returning
home, but we do know that atsome point she came back and
decided that she needed to getclean again after relapsing from
her drug addiction.
She checked herself into thedetox facility and she
reportedly told staff at thefacility that she had checked
herself into the detox facility,and she reportedly told staff
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at the facility that she hadchecked herself into the program
because she had witnessed amurder and she felt that she'd
be safer being there than beingat home.
And then, just five and a halfmonths after reporting Jeremy's
death to authorities, jessicaHamby disappeared.
So what really happened toJessica?
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A lot of the same investigatorswho ruled Jeremy's case a
suicide are the same ones whoare working on Jessica's case.
How can they not see acorrelation between the two,
especially when the detailssurrounding Jessica's
disappearance are so bizarre?
Jessica's parents have sincehired a private investigator
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from Sound Mind Investigationsto work her case.
Jeff Means has workedtirelessly to find out what
actually happened to Jessica andto bring closure to the Hamby
family.
Eric Edwards is currently inprison on drug charges and no
one has been charged inJessica's disappearance.
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Jessica's three young childrenbelieve that someday their
mother will come home to them.
Jessica's father, keith Hamby,struggles daily with all the
unanswered questions surroundinghis daughter's disappearance.
His sadness is apparent as heis quoted as saying there's no
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evidence she left.
No evidence.
She was picked up by someone.
No evidence she walked away.
He no longer believes that hisdaughter is alive, but wants
nothing more than to bring herhome so the family can lay her
to rest.
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Jessica Leanne Hamby wentmissing on January 3rd 2018 from
Hackleburg, alabama.
She is a white female withbrown hair and hazel eyes.
She is five foot two inchestall and weighs approximately
125 pounds.
She has pierced ears and may bewearing glasses.
She has bodicua tattooed on herright wrist and a forever
tattoo on her left hand.
She was 24 years old at thetime of her disappearance and
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would be 31 years old today.
If you have any informationabout this case, please contact
the Marion County Sheriff'sDepartment at area code
205-921-2101 or area code205-921-7433.
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You can also contact theAlabama Law Enforcement Agency
at area code 334-353-2250, orprivate investigator Jeff Means
of Sound Mind Investigations atarea code 256-508-0047.
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And once again, I want to givea huge shout out to Larissa Lael
.
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