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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Good
Neighbor Podcast, the place
where local businesses andneighbors come together.
Here's your host, Skip Monty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, hello everyone
and welcome to the Good Neighbor
Podcast.
So I am super excited to belive streaming today, as well as
recording an episode of theGood Neighbor with a very
special guest in our studio, andwe're thrilled to have her and
her little bird friends that wecan hear in the background.
I absolutely love that With usin the studio.
I'm sure you'll be just asexcited because today I have the
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pleasure of introducing yourgood neighbor, Ms Jennifer
Hastie, who is a traumatherapist.
Jennifer, thank you so much forbeing here.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you for the
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, like I said,
we're excited to learn all about
you and what you do.
So if you don't mind, why don'tyou kick us off and tell us
about your practice?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, I am a licensed
professional counselor in
Johnson City.
I am a EMDR trained therapist.
Emdr is a trauma therapy thatis extremely effective for many
aspects of negative beliefs andtraumas that occur in our
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lifetimes.
I've been in practice since2019.
I've been a therapist, so I didthis later in life.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Nice.
So trauma release you everheard of?
Uh?
I just did an interview withsomeone who focuses on or
specializes in uh fascia, uhrelease therapy.
Are you familiar with that?
I found that was incrediblyinteresting, but I want to hear
more about you.
So how did you get into this,into the therapy business?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Long story short, and
I have been a single mom
probably over my lifetime,probably about 25 years or so.
It's been a long time as asingle parent, and when I was
around 40, which was about 15years ago I was having panic
attacks at work.
I was in such a statedepression, anxiety, everything
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else and one day at work, aftera panic attack, my boss said hey
, I think you should go to EAP,which is an employee assisted
program for people to get kindof short term therapy.
And when I went and I told thetherapist you know this thing
happened to me when I was around10.
And I keep having flashbacks ofthis.
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Maybe this is why I am the wayI am I was suffering from
claustrophobia.
I couldn't go into Walmart on aSaturday, on a busy day, the
first of the month, just forgetit.
I was going to have a panicattack if I got anywhere crowded
.
So it was kind of aclaustrophobic way.
And so, since we only had likethree or three to five sessions
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at work, she said let's try EMDR, and I had never heard of this.
And so she prepped me and overthree sessions, that last
session changed my life.
You know, I came out of therewith clear vision.
I was standing up taller, I wasactually smiling, and my brain
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had reprocessed that memory,taking it from something in my
emotion brain, the center of mybrain, and put that memory into
long term where it needed to be.
So I was no, my emotions wereno longer affected by the, by
the memory, and so I left theregoing, oh, everybody's got to do
EMDR, I have to learn how to dothis.
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At the time I only had anassociate's degree and was like,
oh, I'll never be able to dothat.
You have to have a master'sdegree to do that, and that's
just way far off, you know.
So I kind of talked myself outof things.
But it took, you know,literally probably a good 10 to
12 years for me to actuallybecome a, have my master's
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degree and get trained in EMDR,and so now I'm helping people in
the therapy that helped me.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Wow, great story.
And MDR stands for what?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
EMDR, sorry, stands
for eye movement,
desensitization and reprocessing.
So yeah, Do you want me tocontinue?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
EMDR yes, please.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
EMDR.
So eye movement EMDR kind ofworks with bilateral stimulation
.
So it's back and forth, justlike you're in your dream and
REM sleep.
Your memory, your brain is kindof processing what happened
during the day, your dreams, allthe stuff in your REM state.
So the theory is that throughbilateral movement, bilateral
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stimulation either with hands inmy office I use tappers that
buzz back and forth so peoplecan hold these tappers in their
hands.
You can also tap on your armslike this you can tap your legs,
you can tap your feet, you cantap your feet.
Drumming is bilateral movement.
Some say chewing gum, but Idon't know about.
To me that's just munching.
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That's not like bilateral.
You can't really crunch oneside and then the other, but
you're just, and even listeningto music can be bilateral
stimulation.
But in doing that you're kindof letting your body know hey,
we're not in the memory rightnow, we're not there, we're not
in the actual thing thathappened, we are in the here and
now.
So buzzing back and forth kindof keeps your body in here while
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your other foot is in thememory.
There's all kinds of theories.
One theory is that it'sactivating both sides of your
brain to to do this.
I find there's a number oftheories about it in science.
Maybe we really don't reallyknow how it works, but it's just
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kind of, in essence it's taking.
So I've moved it back and forth, reprocessing.
While you're moving back andforth, we're talking about the
memory.
You're kind of getting a newperspective over what that
memory means.
People may go into it with abelief of it was my fault and we
want to change.
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It was my fault too.
I was a kid.
There was no way I wasresponsible for that.
So while we're reprocessing,you start to kind of get a zoom
out view of the memory.
That's what happens for me whenI'm doing EMDR.
Is I end up, you know, right?
It's right in your face atfirst and then throughout the
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memory.
As you kind of reprocess it,it's like you're in a looking
through a ring camera in thecorner of your room up on the
ceiling and you're kind oflooking down at it.
So a lot of people describe thisas it feels further away.
The memory feels further awaynow, or or sometimes.
It's just I'm not bothered bythat anymore and it's the subtle
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kind of it's not this instantthing.
You have to go out of theoffice and get triggered by the
thing that was bugging youbefore, like, for me it would be
going to Walmart and then I'mlike, oh, I'm not having panic
attacks anymore.
I can single out sounds.
Ptsd has a way.
Post-traumatic stress disorderhas a way of kind of clustering
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all the things and makes us veryhypervigilant.
So we're listening to all thesounds, we're looking out for
danger.
Our brain is just doing that tokeep us safe, you know, and
people like hate themselves andhate their brain.
Why am I like this?
And I think I'm jumping arounda lot, so I apologize for that,
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I asked the question,
yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So reprocessing it's
just kind of taking the memory
off of the emotional hook inyour brain and putting it into
long term so that it's notknocking on the limbic system or
the amygdala in your brain thatholds this fight, fight or
freeze kind of thing, so thatmemory just keeps knocking,
knocking, knocking.
Danger, danger, danger.
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And when we do MDR we kind oftake that hook off, you know, so
you no longer longer have allthese strong, strong emotions to
these um, to these previouslyactivating um, activating
triggers or flashbacks, so wedesensitize you to the memory as
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well.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Very fascinating EMDR
.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Very fascinating EMDR
.
It is fascinating, yeah.
So what are some myths?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
or misconceptions in
your industry, in your business.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Oh gosh so many, so
many.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
A lot of people say
therapy doesn't work.
You know it doesn't work.
That's not a.
You know we don't, I don't needtherapy, you just need to learn
how to tough it up.
You know, but in essence, youknow we don't, I don't need
therapy, you just need to learnhow to tough it up.
You know, but in the, inessence, you know old school
stuff.
I remember a formermother-in-law, you know.
Oh, she's going to a doctor forthe head.
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You know it's like.
So you know your brain is the isthe driver of your body and of
your nervous system.
Hormones get.
You know, our glands kind ofproduce hormones based on our
stress responses, based on joy,based on contentment and scared.
Whether we're scared or fearfulor angry, our body is so is
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such the supercomputer that itreleases these hormones to help
us and to keep us safe.
You know.
So people think that your brainis not connected.
You know, like you, you havepanic attacks and you just need
a hand.
Like you just need to figure itout.
You know when essence therapyjust kind of helps you untangle
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all this stuff that makes youthink about things in a
different way.
And hopefully, with thinkingabout things in a different way.
Your body and your, you knowyour feelings.
Your whole nervous system justlearns how to relax and learns
how to not take thingspersonally, how to, how to step
back from anger, how to putboundaries up, how to.
You know all these things.
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So there's just so much, butyou know to.
To believe that your brain isnot, your mind does not deserve
healthcare is a bigmisconception, very, very huge.
But our brains do deservemental healthcare in whatever
ways we can get it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Amen, sister, I
couldn't agree more, couldn't
agree more.
Well, you worked hard to getwhere you are now.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Outside of work today
.
What do you do for fun?
Well, I am a jack-of-all-tradesmaster of none.
My little ADHD superpowerallows me to dive fully deep
into many things, craftingthings.
I also do expressive arts in mypractice, so I'm very crafty
and wanting to create and makeand my mother used to go to
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things and say I can make that.
So I've been doing so.
Now I'm like now I'm makingbread.
I'm making bread right now, butuh you know, trying out
different sourdough things and,uh, made a beautiful loaf of
bread this morning.
I like ballroom dancing here inour community in Johnson City.
I love going to Shakti in themountains and learning about
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different ways ofself-sustaining things and be
around wonderful, beautifulpeople that are also working
towards their growth.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Awesome Bread, love
bread.
To me it's fascinating.
Sourdough starts with.
There are some sourdoughs thatare hundreds of years old.
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Wow, no, mine didn't
my first one.
I made a great one at first andthen my second one, my starter.
Something happened, so I'mstarting over.
I'm starting all over, but Ilove it that sourdough bread is
good for our gut and our stomachand our body, and so I'm trying
that out because you know ourbody can have all kinds of
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symptoms, to trauma tearing upour gut and our digestive system
and our nervous system itself.
So eating the right foods canhelp heal too.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So I'm all for that,
absolutely, absolutely Well, if
fascinating.
If, jennifer, if you couldthink of one thing that you
would like our listeners toremember about you and your
practice, what would that be?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You know, therapy is
something, and what my tagline
is for my business is be thehero that you needed as a kid.
You know therapy is a thing tohelp heal our inner child, to
help heal ourselves, the littleone still lives inside us, and
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sometimes that's the triggeritself.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So doing this.
Yes, it can be scary, but itcan also be so liberating.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Very freeing, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Absolutely Very good
thing to remember, awesome.
Yes, absolutely very good thingto remember awesome.
And for those of us who areintrigued and would like to
learn more about how you mightbe able to help them or me, how
can we learn more?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
um well, my website
is a little bit unconventional.
I do swear quite a bit in mypractice, so my website is
jhastytherapycom.
My schedule right now is fulland I do have a wait list, so,
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whereas I don't need thebusiness really, but I wanted to
come on here and just kind ofgive people a general idea of
what EMDR is.
There are many EMDR therapistsin our community and you know I
just encourage people, whatevermodality you want to do brain
spotting there's so manydifferent modalities for trauma
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therapy and to find someone inyour community who does it.
But you know you can reach methrough my website and there's a
contact form there and also myphone number.
You know the contact form.
I can give resources by email.
I'm happy to kind of add you tomy wait list if you would like.
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And then I also have an officemate who also is certified in
EMDR and, you know, in traumawork.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Very good, awesome.
Well, jennifer, I can't tellyou how much, how fascinating
it's been to learn about whatyou do and EMDR and how it
benefits our community, and Iappreciate that so much.
Appreciate you taking time outof your busy schedule to spend
some time with us and share yourthoughts with our listeners,
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and wish you and your family andyour practice all the best,
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thank you so much,
Skip.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Appreciate it.
Maybe we can have you backsometime and talk some more
about EMDR.
All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
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