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Archie Comics Sonic The Hedgehog #32
00:00 Intro
08:53 Blast From the Past Part I
19:50 Blast From the Past Part II
25:37 Blast From the Past Part III
36:26 Prisoners
39:46 Tundra Road Part Two
48:53 Sonicgrams
58:00 Outro-----Gotta Talk Fast is an oral review of Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog. Way past cool.LINKS: https://gottatalkfast.com/
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Got to talk fast. Got to talk fast.
Got to talk faster, faster, faster.
Got to talk fast. Yeah, it's called pegging, and
it's heterosexual. I'm.
I'm right, by the way. That's not, that's not like a
joke. Joke where?
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It's wrong. I know.
I mean look, if God didn't want us to peg, he wouldn't put the G
spot in the fucking butt, OK? What's the welcome?
Do it. Do it.
Welcome to an oral review of Archie comic Sonic the Hedgehog.
Acknowledging that the language of politics is extremely
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confusing, frustrating, and pedantic.
Most of the time people don't know what they're talking about,
or worse, they know too much about what they're talking about
and don't say anything at all. But knowing how to navigate and
adapt that language to differentpeople without totally prop
compromising your values is a very useful skill.
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I'm Nick and except for this intro, I wrote the script.
And I'm Dominic, and except for this intro, I haven't read any
of today's script. Sorry for the late episodes,
I've been very very busy with work and I have not been able to
write. Luckily Dominic has really
stepped up and did some live streams for us on the channel.
We appreciate that, Dominic. Great job.
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That was a lot. They were a lot of fun.
I enjoyed it. It's, it takes a lot out of me
because I'm going deep back intolike my college days learning
music theory and all that stuff and.
He was just high and drunk the entire time, so he's really
reaching. High and drunk on knowledge like
that music theory. In theory, he was drunk and
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high. Look, I spent, I spent 10s of
thousands of dollars on that, onthat degree.
So someone's going to learn fromit, right?
Hey, man, I like that threat. It's a good threat.
Let's teach our audience music theory or else.
Yeah, right. I shouldn't say this out loud,
but like that should be another thing is just at the end of
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every episode you just teach me something new.
That's kind of like the intro like for instance, like Speaking
of the intro, I was mostly coming at that from like the the
leftist infighting that's very prevalent always like how, oh,
there's oh, I'm a Social Democrat.
Oh, are you a democratic socialist?
And then like proceed to fight for three hours while a fascist
shoots both of you. That's that is that is basically
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what has been happening for the longest time.
It had an uptick in the Trump years because you know, Trump
and then here in 2025 in the second Trump administration, it
is once again taking taking root.
But you can you can also extrapolate from that intro,
like we live in Chicagoland and there is a obviously it's a very
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quote, UN quote blue, you know, area, but there's still a lot of
conservative conservatives, you know, trademarked period.
But also there's just conservative thought in general
where it's like, hey, maybe someone he really hates Trump,
but they are totally in love with the police and they trust
them no matter what. Learning how to adapt to
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different segments of the political spectrum while talking
to people without being, you know, finger wagging, talking to
them about the revolution or whatever the whole time.
Being able to approach that at different levels and just be
approachable can be very helpfulto actually making a difference
and reaching out and making actual change.
So there's there's that aspect as well.
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Yeah. Nick's tired on I am educated
so. This is going to be a rough
episode for me. I worked like 10 days straight
or something, or 11 days I don'tknow.
He was giving me updates throughout the week, yeah.
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Yeah, And then yesterday was technically my first day off and
I tried writing an episode and Ijust didn't.
And after I finally acknowledgedthat I wasn't going to be able
to write it, I went and watched The New Mission Possible, which
I, I don't know. I mean, my very quick review of
The New Mission Possible 'cause I Know everyone cares is I
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personally adore it. I think it's a brilliant movie.
If you were going to ask me if if if that was not a Tom Cruise
movie and if that was not a Mission Impossible movie, would
I still have that opinion? My answer is maybe because I
love Tom Cruise and I love all of his movies.
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It's very anime. This is actually, this might
sell you Dominic, who's who's the director.
It's still Mccurry. I think it's the the the guy
filming at the cinematographer. I think he is like very anime
with how he like did. He do.
Creedments and stuff. No, no, no.
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No, you were talking to Michael B Jordan.
Michael B Jordan was very, Oh yeah, anime fan and he was
straight up like, yeah, I just lifted a lot of shit from anime
and did that in my movie. No, because like McCreary had a
different cinematographer in theother movies and had the same
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editor for like the last four movies.
So I don't think it is the editing and I don't think it was
the direction. I think it was mainly the
cinematographer. And there's just some very Yeah,
yeah, yeah. You might have to edit this down
so it's more coherent, but I honestly think Mission
Impossible, the new one is like Metal Gear Solid 2 or I
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shouldn't say Metal Gear Solid 2, because Metal Gear Solid 2 is
my favorite video game of all time.
It is a worse version of Metal Gear Solid.
Yeah. But like it it it's very much
lifting a lot of ideas from likethe series.
I don't know if it's true or notif they did, but it feels the
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the core concept of the movie isthat there's an AI that is
trying to control the world and they're trying to go up against
a God essentially. And so like the plot itself is
already very anime because they're essentially trying to
kill a God. It's AJ.
Is this person of interest? Is this?
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Yes, yes, thank you. Yes, it's a very person of
interest. It's very.
That's why I'm like, I love thismovie, but I acknowledge that it
might not be everyone's cup of tea.
And. So Part 2 opens with 911.
Yeah, 911 was the most importantthing that happened in mission
possible. It's the one one time Tom Cruise
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failed. Yeah, it was a yeah, flashback
to the first Mission Impossible or whatever, or where it's like
ADH Tom Cruise, and he was thereat 9:11.
Well, it's funny you say flashback because they do see,
you can talk about Mission Impossible wakes me up.
I'm starting to feel the energy.You start saying flashbacks and
it's very interesting because there's a lot of flashbacks in
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this movie because it's like thevery last movie.
And they're like, this is a reference to like one.
This is a reference to three. This is a.
Reference to two. Was that coherent?
Was that cogent or was that kindof forced?
That specific style and how theydid it felt anime to me.
And so to me it feels forced because I don't like when they
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do it in anime. I don't like it when there's
certain ways you can do it, but it feels like every time
something happened, they're like, yeah, the rabbits foot.
And then they flashback to stealing it in three and it's
like. Elude, okay, okay, okay, because
I know in James Bond Specter, the second to last Daniel Craig
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one, they tried to do a big wrapup of everything where it was
like, hey, everything is connected from the beginning of
the Daniel Craig James Bond years, but it was kind of forced
on top of the spectre being a lacklustre movie.
So they were like, we can't end on this.
We got to do No Time to Die and then they did No Time to Die and
it was, it was a lot better. I haven't seen Spectre no Time
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to Die, so I gotta, I gotta watch those.
So yeah, my my, my, my opinion is if you liked the last Mission
Impossible movie, then 100% see it because it's just more of the
same. You'll also like the last
Mission Impossible, The Yeah. Impossible.
Movie. If you didn't like the last
Mission Impossible movie, don't see this movie.
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And if you were indifferent, I'dwait until you know it's on
streaming and then watch it, Yeah.
OK, sounds good. Let's let's talk.
Hey, let's, let's, let's pivot gears to the real Mission
Impossible, which is getting through all of these Sonic
comics. Good, good.
I'm proud of you. That was good.
We we are reading Archie Comics.Son of the hedgehog #32 release
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or rather cover date March 1996.How old were you in 1996, Nick?
In March 96, I AM 54 years old. I am two years old, actually,
like on the dot. I am two years old.
I didn't know there was I didn'tknow there was that big of a
gap. I thought it was a lot closer
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our. Age.
Yeah. No, no, no.
No, I'm. So much older than you.
I'm an old man. Blast from the Past Part 1
Written by Angelo De Cesare and penciled by Art Mcwhinney We
open on the Freedom Fighters in a cold icy desert.
They are ice climbing when they are suddenly ambushed by some
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SWAT bots. All the Freedom Fighters make it
up the Cliff except 1. Sally, a SWAT bot with his
robotic precision aim, shot at the rope that Sally was using to
climb up the mountain. The rope gets blasted and Sally
is now untethered and falling toher certain doom.
Tails flies under her, swoops her up, and flies Sally to
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safety. The team starts running away,
with Sonic asking how on earth the SWAT bots found them.
Just then, Sonic notices a robotdog with them.
They tracked us with a robo dog.Robo dog?
What? That's Mutsky?
Buns chimes in, asking if Sonic knows the robot dog.
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Mutsky is my dog Bunny. He was captured and roboticized
at the same time as my Uncle Chuck.
He was my best friend and the only dog that I like better than
a chili dog. He even saved my life once.
Robot Mutsky is charging the Freedom Fighters when Sonic
holds up his hand like Neo stopping bullets in the Matrix.
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Mutsky, stop, it's me. Mutsky, stop, it's me.
Sonic, do you remember? I have my other arm behind my
like I imagine it's not on the panel, but I imagine for our
listeners, Sonic is like fighting Mutsky while saying
this and he's like he. He he has like sunglasses just
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like up here and he's got a trench coat.
In the climax of the first Matrix movie, where Neo does and
then my. Kosky sisters read this and
they're like, we're stealing this.
My favorite idea, my favorite shot in like probably one of my
favorite shots in all the film mystery like sequences is Neo
doing the fucking one arm behindhis back and just Agent Smith.
Like owning Agent Smith with onearm.
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Anyway Musky stop it's me Sonic,don't you remember?
Musky let's out a robotic bark and stops in his tracks.
The 2 lock eyes and Musky turns around and leaves with the other
SWAT bots who have stopped theirpursuit for some reason.
The Freedom Fighters continue onward to find Uncle Chuck.
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The Freedom Fighters are shockedto see him.
I called off that pot attack. Sonic, you forgot.
Did you forget the Sean guttering voice that we agreed
on for Uncle Chuck? I was, I was expecting like a
like a Scrooge Mcduck or something, or something, like
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something rich, you know? Though my mind is no longer
under Robotnik's control, I still have access to some of his
secret codes and equipment. But I'm afraid the same can't be
shed for poor Mutsky's mind. He's still a bot, Sonic, and
since he knows your scent betterthan anyone, he's your most
dangerous foe. Sonic ignores Uncle Chuck's
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warnings, saying that he'd neverbelieve that about Mutsky.
Antoine quickly quickly tries torally the troops and continue
their trek before the SWAT bots return.
Antoine starts marching and accidentally steps off a Cliff,
tumbling hundreds of feet. He safely lands on a pile of
snow, but before him is a large caveman encased in ice.
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The caveman is holding a club and a paintbrush.
He looks like a very stereotypical caveman but with
pointy ears almost resembling a bat.
The rest of the freedom fightershop down and start examining the
caveman. His scientific name is Mobus.
Orish Day Champions. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from
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this, we should leave. I I have the same reaction when
I read that. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from
this. We should leave.
And where we found him. Roeder, seeing an opportunity to
play God, says this. Look, I disagree, Sonic.
It's possible that the ice preserve the Mobian.
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I think the humane thing to do is to take him back to Knothole
and try to and try to revive him.
End of Part 1. Can I just get like a a a real
good delivery of Mondo Bad and Sonic's voice?
And Sonic's voice, yeah, that that line or just mondo bad.
Just mondo bad. Mondo bad.
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Yeah, OK. We could use that for something.
We could. And that's just I'm going to use
that for something, I don't knowwhat.
Yeah, yeah. That's too good if we ever do
streams again. Like do streams, You know, like
the alerts? Oh, we will.
That's in our. Future I'll do I will set that
and record that. Well, I have a soundboard and
I'm like, I kind of just want. There's not much to say in this
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first issue. There's a few things I want to.
There's a couple things. But go ahead, there's a couple
things. The very first thing, I think
it's a stretch to look at that dog and think that's Mutsky.
I agree that dog. Looks nothing like Mutsky though
with with Uncle Chuck it makes sense because he just he looks
exactly the same down to he has a robotic moustache.
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Mutsky like the the human form. The the animal form of Mutsky is
this cute, lovable looking like yellow dog with some brown hair,
almost like golden retriever esque, and then definitely a
mutt. But you know what I mean.
I mean, has to be a mutt. His name's Mutsky.
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And then this, this dog is literally silver and blue and
looks nothing like him. So I don't know how he jumped to
that conclusion. Yeah, it's, it's contrived in
that way. I have.
I think the freedom fighters aretoo.
We'll say chill about the fact that Uncle Chuck just happened
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to be there. Yeah, that was kind of weird
because he's not supposed to be in the field.
He is definitely more of a well again, you were.
Surprised he was there. Yeah, also that.
So like what? Yeah, that that that came out of
left field for me. And you know what I'm going to
say when he says. But I'm afraid the same can't be
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said for poor Mutsky. I'm just going to say, Uncle
Chuck looks kind of evil in thatpanel.
He does. I don't know why he's glowing so
much. I don't know what that is.
He's literally glowing and he's got kind of some evil eyes going
on. So maybe, maybe his
consciousness isn't all that, you know, I'm just saying he's
showing up randomly where the freedom fighters are without
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like notice and he apparently has control of the swap box
because he was able to make themgo away.
I'm just saying maybe I'm calledChuck as a spy.
On a he, he is compromised on a cellular level, right?
Exactly like holistically he is compromised.
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So I I don't understand. I mean, look, I do understand
why Sonic was quick to because you know, that's that is a
common weakness is to is loved ones and family.
So I get that. But the lack of any kind of
vetting or any kind of no one going hold up.
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Do we trust Uncle Chuck because this is the first time Bunny is
a special case because her mind was never fully transformed.
It was it was just the the limbsand torso.
We technically don't know that she might have a robot brain.
I think in the issue this might be getting too into the was.
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Her head was her was her head sticking out the entire time I.
Think it was, I don't double check.
Saying that, I think I agree. I'm pretty sure you're right.
Yeah, I think that's what it I can confirm in the edit, but I I
think that's what it was. Now they knowing this comic,
they could easily reckon that but.
Yeah, of course. For the most part, I I Bunny I I
feel safe about Uncle Chuck bat mondo bad vibes right now.
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Mondo bad yeah, that that's and then my last thing is just I
like I like Rotor's quickness tojust be like, let's just sub
freeze this dude and see what happens.
Yeah. You know, maybe he's got like a
disease or something that will spread.
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First and foremost, that second of all.
Or or they have a disease that will kill the caveman.
Yes, that is actually the more likely thing to happen.
Well, maybe not, I actually don't know.
But it's it is. It's dangerous either way.
And the plot of many science fiction movies.
But yeah, it's, it's kind of crazy.
I love it that that's Roeder. Roeder's pretty OG.
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He's pretty legit. You know what that's He's done
that before though, right? He's just reckless with with his
science. Yeah.
I yeah, I feel I can't think of anything right off the bat, but
yeah, I think so. And I appreciate, I kind of
appreciate that as a character trait because that if that is
consistent, which it feels like it's consistent, that's kind of
a cool thing about Roeder. I like that.
That's like his weakness and I'mcool.
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Like that's a cool character thing that I appreciate.
Yeah, and and I mean people needweaknesses, so.
Cliffhanger. The movie came out in 1983.
Sorry, Sylvester Stallone. And I, I don't think it's
emphasized enough just how influential that opening scene
is because I used to see it all the time, referenced all the
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time. And a lot of other media,
including like, I think it was in the second Naked Gun movie,
if not the third. But I distinctly remember that,
and it's been parodied a lot because that does that scene of
Sylvester. School, the opening scene of
Cliffhanger, if you haven't seenit, it's a banger.
I mean, banger is just a banger,but the opening scene is
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definitely the thing you want towatch from that movie.
I I would need to watch it again, but I remember that scene
specifically but that. Man, I have it.
You can borrow it whenever I getback from Houston.
There we go, blast from the pastPart 2.
We are in Knothole village. Roeder has taken a glaciator
from Robotnik, a device that shoots a ray and turns
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everything into ice. He has reversed the ray to melt
all the ice around the caveman, who has been given the nickname
Moby. This process is going to take 48
hours, a little slow for Sonic. He's getting ready to leave for
the day to pass some time when he accidentally bumps into the
glaciator, boosting the firepower of the device,
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instantly melting the ice aroundthe caveman.
The caveman moves. He opens his mouth and lets her
yell and destroys the glaciator,ensuring he'll never be put into
an ice prison ever again. Moby the caveman runs outside,
swinging his club at everything and everyone.
Buns quickly grabs the caveman with one arm and puts him up in
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a tree, once again proving she'sthe strongest freedom fighter.
The Freedom Fighters are trying to figure out what to do with
the caveman stuck in the tree when Roeder steps up and says
Moby is way out of place in our modern world.
It's got to be a total shock to him.
Give him a chance to adjust and I bet you'll see another side of
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Moby. Well, now wait.
Moby was holding a paintbrush when we found him.
Maybe he's one of those cave painters and maybe art is the
way to communicate with him. I'll be right back.
Buns runs off and returns with paint supplies.
She paints a picture of Buns, Sonic, and Moby holding hands.
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Look here, sugar, I drew this symbol for friendship,
understand? We all just want to be your
friends. Moby grabs the drawing.
He was reminded of his old family.
He had a partner, a child, and adog.
Sadness flashes across Moby's face and he runs off into the
Great Forest of Knothole. Roeder hypothesizes that Moby
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was going back to The Cave wherethe Freedom Fighters originally
found him. Sonic chases after him since
he's the fastest dude in town. End of Part 2.
I think it's really dumb that they felt the need to establish
that the caveman is a cave painter and that's the way to
communicate with him. Because art is a universal
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language and so is music. It's the one thing we don't need
to translate between people. It's the one thing we know that
Cavemen knew how to do. Yeah, right.
Proof that they did that shit incaves.
Out of everything else that we've implied, the painting is
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the one thing we actually have concrete evidence of that we
know that they can do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely insane
that that was my huge call out on this one.
I also don't understand why we needed this whole rigmarole
about why it's like hey the the glaciator takes 48 hours to do
oops I bumped it now it happenedinstantaneously.
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Like what was it? Just just have it do it
instantaneously. I.
Think it's just adding to the idea that Sonic is careless.
I'm OK with that. OK sure, it's just adding more
character to Sonic. I support it.
I guess so. I don't think, I don't think it
was necessary, but I, I I can, Ican see that point.
Yeah, and, and again, I'm, I'm, I'm glad that Buns is kind of a
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central character kind of on this one.
Maybe, maybe not central, but she's she's doing stuff in this
one. She comes up with the plan.
She puts the caveman up in the tree like this is the first time
in a very long time where I feellike Buns has been useful, which
I makes me happy because we needmore of that.
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Yeah, the last time it was her being chased down by that bus.
Written by Robotnik. Driven by Robotnik.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that wasn't too, too
long ago, but it was it's enoughwhere it's it's like which
because she's been physically absent, completely absent in
some other issues and it just feels weird Anyway, we've we've
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hammered that point a lot in previous episodes, but
definitely acknowledging it, acknowledging it that she's not
always muscle like she's communicating through art.
And that's really cool because she is canonically she is a hair
stylist as well. That's her other side of her,
which I think is interesting. It's like, OK, she's artistic,
but also the strongest mother ever in this whole thing.
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So there's that as well. How do we just feel about the
setup so far for the cavemans? Like, do you do you think this
is? It's.
Yeah. It's, I mean, we'll talk about
it more as a whole after the next one, I think.
But it's, it's fine. It's very cliched, but I'm like,
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I don't know it. It's exactly what I expect from
one of these kind of Looney Tunes esque issues.
So it. Feels like that, yeah.
I don't. I can't pin, I can't pinpoint an
example right now, but I feel like thawing A caveman out of
ice and you have a caveman out of time.
Feels strangely familiar as an exact plot in Other in other
cartoons. Was done in like Looney Tune.
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It's a very, I've definitely seen it in many things, so.
The first thing I can remember is Dexter's lab, actually
Dexter's laboratory. I don't know if you watched it.
There was that actually that onewas done really well where it's
the episode of Dexter in his hubris is like, I want to find
all the great inventors. Well, who's the 1st inventor?
Oh caveman they invented fire and then just brings a caveman
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to to present day and the caveman properly is like with
the shit and then just starts hitting everything because it's
a caveman and I enjoyed that. There we go blast from the past
Part 3. Sonic is dashing all over
looking for Moby when he stumbles upon him surrounded by
SWAT bots. Sonic after 31 issues of using
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the Sonic spin to get out of every situation, tries a new
move. He puts his arms out and starts
spinning in place like a helicopter blade.
He spins so fast he makes a tornado, picking up all the SWAT
bots and throwing them far away.However, all his spinning has
made him dizzy, and he accidentally crashes into a
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wall, knocking him out. As he's knocked out, a familiar
face walks up. It's Mutsky.
Mutsky starts running towards Sonic.
Moby, seeing this from afar, quickly grabs a rope, ties it to
a tree, and swings towards Sonic, rescuing him much like
Tarzan would. Mutsky was running so fast he
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runs straight into a wall, knocking himself out.
Moby finds a large rock that he's going to smash on Mutsky's
head when Sonic wakes up and tells him to stop.
Sonic then grabs a stick and draws an image of Mutsky and
himself in the ground, trying toshow friendship between the two.
Moby picks up Mutsky and hands him to Sonic.
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We cut back to Knothole, where Uncle Chuck was able to restore
Mutsky's consciousness. Uncle Chuck then walks up to
Moby. As for you, my prehistoric
friend, I can't send you back intime, but I can make our world a
bit more familiar to you. We cut to a jungle.
Not even not even Robotnik and his bots know about this Mobian
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jungle. The environment's too harsh for
modern folks, but you should find it just like home, Moby.
Moby is ecstatic. Everyone begins to say their
goodbyes when Sonic tells Mutskyto give him his paw.
Mutsky detaches his paw and everyone laughs in unison.
The end. So a few things how does Uncle
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Chuck doesn't know what kind of fucking environment this caveman
knows as his home? He can't communicate that he
doesn't know. Yeah, the the caveman seems like
he's happy, but I mean he's justhappy because the scene she's
never seen before and he's like,this is some cool shit.
So fuck off Uncle Chuck. Also, if this is an area where
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Robotnik doesn't know about, whydon't they set up not whole
village here? Yeah, that's a good point.
Like, that should be what do they do?
Like, yeah, yeah. And also how does Uncle Chuck
know about this? Like, what is he doing in this?
Like, is I don't, what is Uncle Chuck doing?
How does he know about this? A lot of a lot of these plot
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points are just kind of made-up and pulled out of people's
asses. I don't it's it's.
I'm just saying Uncle Chuck knows a lot of things he
shouldn't know. That might be giving them too
much credit, but going along that logic, I concur.
I agree but this this issue feels so floaty.
It feels so weightless. Which sucks because Mutsky is
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another Uncle Chuck. That's the whole point of both
Mutsky and Uncle Chucky. Not Uncle, it's not too Uncle
Chuck, it's just Mutsky. I I sorry, what I'm trying to
say is it's. Being a tech.
OK, you're being an asshole. Good.
Is that the template? You sold it very well.
You sold it very well. The the the template of these
two characters is the same, which is that they are emotional
anchors for Sonic, which you've established before in previous
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episodes of the show, but for for for months again, it feels
just as weight, even more weightless than when Uncle Chuck
came back right. And it's it's like this caveman
situation dominated so much of this whole storyline that I
didn't really get a lot of whatever here.
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And it's very strange, like, Tarzan didn't come, didn't come
out until 1999. Georgia, the jungle didn't come
out. Until 1997.
I mean, Tarzan came out in the 19, what, 1020s?
You're correct, you're correct. The movie didn't come out until
1999, so it's like we're not anywhere near a resurgence of.
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The Movie. Yes, you're right, You're right,
you're right. Didn't come out anywhere close.
Back to prevalence. This this story of a caveman
lost in time. It does not check out at all but
but. It's such a famous story.
It's and I don't, I don't consider this a Tarzan story
like in any way, shape or form. Sure, but you?
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Know just the concept, you're right, you're right, just the
concept of of jungle swinging caveman is just comes out of
nowhere that's all I'm trying tosay and.
Sure, sure, sure. It's weird.
It's weird that they would go this direction for the purposes
of bringing Metzke back. I, I I don't get it.
What I'm going to say very quickly is it looks like there
was a Tarzan TV series in the 60s.
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It looks like there was a Tarzanseries on air right now.
Oh. Like like 2025.
No, no, no, no 91 through 95. OK, then you know what, maybe
they pick every now and then. I like it because we've
established just a while ago that can especially, but a lot
of the other scriptwriters, they, they take a lot of things
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from current like the, the popular culture of that time of
like the time they're writing inand which is the 90s and we've
noticed that pattern. So maybe that it, maybe that's
it. And then I just found out about
a made for TV movie that came out in 1989 that I need to see
called Tarzan in Manhattan. Tarzan goes to New York to
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rescue the chimp cheetah who's been captured by an evil animal
experimenter there. He teams up with Jane, a cab
driver and daughter of an ex copPrivate Eye.
That's that sounds perfect. I need to see this.
So there, there's all that. What I'm, the point I'm trying
to make is that it's all I, I, Ihate to use the word contrived,
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but it really feels contrived inthis instance.
Like what? Where the fuck did that come
from? It's, it's weird.
And maybe we'll see Moby again because they've established that
Moby is in a safe place, that Moby can be useful.
It seems the the other thing I was going to say, sorry, is the
safe place that they decided to put him, which was in the remote
area of a jungle, I guess it seems like he should have just
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been put on Angel Island. That's a safe place.
Yeah, right. For sure.
Yeah, the floating island 100%. I I concur instead of making up
this random thing. Yeah, not Angel Island.
That's fine, that's fine, but like it's this, it's this random
place that's just pull out of chunkle Chuck's ass for no, for
no reason. I, I don't, I don't like that
cause 'cause they. I mean it's like my Gus says we
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never see Moby again unless if they tried doing some like
Avengers end game shit where they're like let's get every
single minor character we've ever had to fight Shore
Robotnik. Because they've already built
up. I look, I'm not saying you can't
make new characters. That's absolutely not true at
all. But you've built up such as this
vibrant universe, truly that I you can.
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Yeah, you can. You can you, you can reuse them
to give them more staying power,especially if you're going to
use it as a useless as a not a useless thing, but a rather a
throwaway thing, right? Is this the same jungle that
Princess Sally went on an excursion with during her mini
series? Maybe cuz that was the other
jungle environment so who knows,but it seems to be just
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something that I mean. There's not because Robotnik had
a bunch of like. You're right, yeah.
Something I'm realizing, and I don't know if it's the skill of
the riders or what. It seems like the issues without
Robotnik are a lot less interesting.
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Yeah, which sucks because I enjoy when they having new
protagonists I don't like. I love Robotnik.
We both love Robotnik. But I mean, he's my favorite
character so. Agreed, but for a a comic that
stretches hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of issues for
decades, I want to see other antagonists I want.
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Like for instance, this is goingto sound random, but Shrek the
Shrek. Movies just on random.
Yeah, I'm so glad that it wasn'tjust Lord Farquaad for all five
of those movies. And the new one that's coming
out, well, maybe I don't know, but for the movies that have
been established, I'm so glad that it wasn't just him.
Lord Farquaad was the first antagonist.
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And then just was defeated. That's it.
No more of him. Every other movie introduces
someone new, and I think that's really cool.
I think that's how most movies work, right?
Not necessarily. A lot of the time it's, well,
it's half and half. It's half and half really, where
it's a lot of the same for a story of this type where it's
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very Saturday morning cartoon. It's just the same mother effers
over and over again. That's the that's where I'm
basing it off of off of. So I should have said like, oh,
GI Joe, it's just the same Cobramother fuckers every single
time, right? We don't get new threats, we
don't get new antagonists. You.
You you do. Specifically in the cartoon
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show. Yeah, yeah, you.
I mean, they had to sell toys, man.
There's so many different antagonists.
They're, they're just all under the umbrella of like Cobra
Commander of Cobra, you know? What?
I mean, well, that's the point. I'm OK, Sorry.
That's the OK. You're right.
I agree with you. How cool would it have been?
It's like, hey, it's not just Cobra.
There's other politics, there's other people in the world,
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there's other cells, there's other antagonists, and I'm sure
there are episodes of those, butan overwhelming majority of them
came from Cobra. And it's like, hey, how cool
would it be if we just had a random mother fuck off terrorist
group that was doing doing things?
Yeah, I I haven't seen enough ofGI Joe to talk about this
intelligently, but I get the point you're trying to make.
Yeah, I I just remember from because I did watch a lot of GI
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Joe and it was almost always Cobra.
I watched a lot of the revival and it was always almost Cobra
and or we haven't I I'm just referencing something we talked
about off off camera. But the and or man, oh man, they
they they get it. They understand that shit.
Anyway, moving on. You want to move on?
Did you have any final points? I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't have any final thoughts
other than like, it was a boringwhatever.
Like, yeah, the best part about it was like someone came up with
a plan that wasn't Sonic. I agree.
That is nice, right? Coming up next here, Prisoners
Knuckles Chaotics Prisoners Script by Mike Gansernovich and
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Ken Penders. Penciled by Ken Penders.
We open on the Chaotics team sans Knuckles in complete
darkness, except for the exact spot they stand on, which seems
to be lit by a spotlight. The team is trying to figure out
what happened. The last thing they remember was
fighting in the jungle with Knuckles.
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As they theorize. A voice booms overhead.
Sorry to keep you in the dark, Charmy, but.
Or wait, wait, This is the. This is the.
The unknown voice. But it's the Australian, Or do
we not know that it's the Australian?
I think it's the cricket. It's the Australian we know.
It's the should I, should I do the voice?
Yeah, OK. A voice booms overhead.
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Sort of keep you in the dark, charmy.
But all I have more reasons. Don't fret though, we've no need
for Espio's vanishing act or a show of Mighty's prodigious
strength. All will be made clear.
Vector notices a security cameraand shouts out to it.
We cut to inside. The control room that we saw
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from the hunt is on in the Chaotic special #1 we see a
shadow of someone wearing a cowboy hat or slouch hat and
monitors watching the chaotic screw.
You seem to know an awful lot about us and about Knuckles.
But we don't know. But we don't know you from
Squat. That's the way I like it,
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Vector. Still, if I will put your minds
at ease, It's a problem which can readily be solved.
A door opens and the crew startswalking towards it.
They find themselves in a futuristic corridor.
They turn the corner and are metwith the mysterious stranger.
Everyone is in shock. To be continued.
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Yeah, there's literally nothing to say.
It's until we know more. Like we, but we kind of know
already who it is, kind of right.
We know it's a cricket. Well yeah, because he like
teleported himself or something.And was it the communion that
saw him or something? Yeah, I don't know, but.
Then he was just like you. You weren't supposed to see me
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or something. It was dumb.
It should have been. It should be Fang, the other
Australian character. No, sorry, sorry, not, not the
other Australian. We've had three Australian
characters at this point. But it should be a lot of
Australian characters, yeah. But you'd be Fang the Sniper or
Knack the Weasel, which is the, the under the mercenary hired by
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Robotnik that got knocked out multiple times by Sonic and
Knuckles. I I don't know who it should be,
but it's like, why did you need to make up a new Australian
character? Well, what's the point?
I, I don't I don't get it. This is the this is annoying and
it's not leading up to anything that I particularly enjoy
because everyone's shocked here.Everyone in Chaotix is shocked.
I don't think we're going to getshocked because who the hell
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could it possibly be? That's a we've never seen a
cricket, a cricket Aussie character before.
I don't get it. So it's it's dumb.
I agree, yeah. That's it, let's just move the
hell on. Tundra Road Part 2 script by Ken
Penders and penciled by Art Mahwinney.
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Nothole's freedom fighting Walrus Roeder received a
distress call from his family home in the frozen North Sea.
Princess Sally gave him permission to investigate.
He was shocked to discover a nefarious theme by Ivor
Robotnik. But before Rotor could contact
the Freedom Fighters, he was clubbed unconscious and sent to
a cold, watery grave. Rotor awakens on an ice sheet.
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It seems that Celia, the seal from the displaced Arctic
Mobians from Sonic issue #26 sawRotor sinking and rescued him.
A reminder of what Celia looks like.
French, I was fishing for AD there when I saw you in the
water and began to sink. I swam beneath you and push you
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back up to the surface. No offence, but this is not the
small test. When I reached the nearest
isoflow I tried to lift you without success.
Luckily for us, the big boy was nearby.
Augustus Zipola Bear. Augustus was also a displaced
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Arctic Mobian. He looks like a polar bear.
Rotor catches Celia up to speed,explaining the radio signals and
explaining that Robotnik has hypnotized all the walruses in
the Arctic. Augustus, Celia, and Rotor come
up with a plan. We cut to inside Robotnik's lair
with all the walruses standing around, hypnotized.
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The SWAT bots bring in a giant pink horse.
The SWAT bots bring up Robotnik on the video monitor to show him
the offering a tribute to you bythe other Arctic creatures.
They left it at the front door of this hidden fortress.
Isn't it a nice horse? And here's a note to Ivo from
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the Frozen Trojans. Robotnik gasps in horror.
You fools, it's a trap. Augustus, Celia, and Roeder
burst out of the Trojan Horse, easily defeating the SWAT bots.
Robotnik then commands the Walruses to destroy our 3
heroes. Augustus quickly grabs Roeder
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and brings him outside. They are standing at the edge of
the ice sheet with the Walruses coming to attack.
Augustus jumps into the ocean and breaks the ice shelf into
two pieces, one with Roeder juststanding on it, the other with
all of Roeder's friends, family,and villagers.
The walruses are unable to complete the order, standing on
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the ice island, starting to float away.
Roeder, quickly thinking, throwsa tracking device onto their new
home so that he'll be able to find them at a later date.
Celia, Roeder, and Augustus watch as the hypnotized walruses
float off into the sea. Roeder hops into his submarine
and says his goodbyes to Augustus and Celia, vowing to
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return soon with a cure for his loved ones.
End of Part 2. This is insane.
Yeah. Like, so they, they just made
like a little ice island ice boat, I don't know what you want
to call it and all. Like there's these like hundreds
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of walruses packed in like sardines and they're just
floating away on this island. You can't.
Leave like you can't just leave with them.
If Rotor's leaving, he needs to come back like in a day at most
because like they need to eat their animals.
They're going to, they're going to either die of starvation or
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dehydration or just their muscles are going to collapse in
on themselves because they're just standing there.
Yeah, right. Because the point is that
they're disconnected from robotics.
I'm assuming the implication is that they're disconnected from
robotics hypnosis, but but they're just floating there.
I don't. I don't think they're
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disconnected, I think. They can't receive orders.
Can't complete the order that they were given and so but like
walruses can swim. That was the other thing that
was confusing to me. So like that's kind of like, I
don't know if you know this that's kind of their thing is
walruses swim a lot. I I would say all the time
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actually. So the fact that the moment they
were on this floating, floating island, it's not the terminology
I should use specifically in this comic, it's these islands
started drifting away. I'm like, why are they just not
hopping into the water? They that's their thing.
Unless Robotnik made them so dumb that they can't even do
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that, which I can see being an excuse, but it is kind of weird.
Whatever. Sure, the.
One thing I appreciated about this this story is that we did
revisit these characters from the from the displaced, but we
only saw two of them. And I love that.
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I love that because that means the two of them had time to
breathe and do things. I agree it.
Was great, loved it. I felt more like, hey, these
were actual characters. I, I appreciate that the freedom
fighters go around and they meetother people who are willing to
join the resistance. Now, I don't like when they're
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branded and trademarked. We've talked about this before
when they're branded and trademarked, as you know, down
under freedom fighters or Arcticfreedom fighters or whatever, or
40 fathoms, freedom fighters. I, I think they can come up with
unique names, right? Like like the, the, the people's
Arctic front or something like that.
Like, that's cool, That's nice. But anyway, anyway, the fact
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that the story gave these two. Path, Path.
Yes, path and. Then they would get into
infighting with the the front for the Arctic people, right?
Something like. That and and then as they're
fighting, then Robotnik takes over.
Yeah, that'd be a cool story. That'd be a genuinely cool and
sadly realistic story, timeless story.
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But in terms of, of this of, of what we're seeing in front of
us, that's at least nice that weget to see these two characters
be a little. We get a whole, we get a whole
page where Celia is talking or acouple pages where Celia is
talking to Roeder and she is herown character.
It's not a particularly deep conversation, but she gets to do
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her own thing. And then of course, we get the
polar bear, Augustus. And, you know, not as much
characterization, but there is some characterization.
He's a little grumpy. He doesn't trust Rotor, right?
This, this is remarkably refreshing.
It's not that great, but it's remarkably refreshing for this
comic. Yeah.
I not much to say other than I'mactually in agreement, that is,
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yeah. I'm kind of sorry if I'm doing a
lot of talking and heavy liftinghere, I figured you were tired
but. I am very tired.
Yeah. But I appreciate though, Nick, I
appreciate you. Yes.
The I do like the implication that there are Trojans at one
point. Yes, I didn't think about that.
Because Robotnik immediately knew that it was a Trojan horse
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and they called it Trojans or something.
I think the word of Trojans was using Trojan because my my phone
died so I can't play with the comic anymore.
They say frozen Trojans, that's what they say.
They didn't need to do a horse. They could have done literally
any sculpture or statue, but they did the.
Horse because it's Or they couldhave just done a giant present
and been like this presence for Robotnik.
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Correct and still made the Trojan reference to me this just
and it's not particularly deeperon the nose, but I'm implying
this that it implies that there is like a the horse society that
did the Trojan thing. Yeah, I think.
That'd. Be pretty cool.
Like would the horses stand or would the horses be on all
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force? Oh, they, they, they, they're on
2. They're on 2.
They're bipedal, OK. Yeah, they're bipedal.
That's that's the sign of intelligence, I think.
Oh, you're right. In this world.
Mutsky. Mutsky is on all fours, yes.
Yep. And he's dumb.
I mean I might be wrong but that's the vibe I'm getting.
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Yes, I concur. All right, this this issue was
kind of wack. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't much
to say. Like it was just fine.
We get lots of fun little loony tune.
Yeah, yeah, and and a weird distrust of Uncle Chuck now, so
I don't even know if. That was.
I hope that was the implication.If not, that sucks.
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I don't. I don't think it was the
implication. I think I don't.
Think so either like that's that's just a bad story to like.
Yeah, you want to grab your guitar?
Go. No, it's time for Sonic grams.
You can right to Sonic Grams. Oh yeah, it's illegally distinct
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Sonic Grams. It's an unaffiliated Sonic
Grams. We made our own Sonic Grams.
All right, we're, we're only going to read 1 e-mail today.
We got, we got another one in the chamber though.
We'll read that one next week. This one is from our pal Speed
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Boom. Speed boom.
All right, written after episode42, but as a response to
episodes 32 to 37 guys, gals andnon non binary pals.
I am back then. So he actually just goes through
and he's just like, I'm just going to talk about these
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episodes one by one in a short little burst.
So should we do? That or.
Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's fine.
I wouldn't. I'm not against it, I just it'll
be very disorienting for other people.
No, we're fine. GTF 33.
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I think he's specifically talking to me, I expressed.
So you expressed confusion on whether Knuckles was flying.
Sorry and there was confusion expressed on whether Knuckles
was flying, considering he went from the ground to suddenly
super high up in the air. I've always kind of thought of
it like Hulk super jump. And then from that height he
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just glides from there. I don't think the flying is
self-propelled, but rather lighting up and down with wind
currents. So that's that's an interesting
theory. And then he he throws in that
Nick is 100% correct. I just want to put this on the
record that the monster at the end of the book is a great kids
book. GTF 34.
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Did you have any comments on that?
No keep. Going.
Yeah, GTF 34. You said that the Arctic freedom
fighters left no impact, and I completely agree.
You know why? Because I straight up do not
remember them being in this comic.
I know I've read this, but nearly this whole SU felt
completely foreign to me. Good.
I I got I got good news for you.Speed boom, they come back.
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I think he knows that by now. Assuming I assume that's the
last time we see him too GTF 35.At one point in this issue it is
assumed that Knuckles is glidingwith the use of his dreadlocks.
This was a contenders idea, but it's actually something that
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dates back to Knuckles creation.When he glides in Sonic 3 and
Knuckles you can actually see his dreadlocks fan out and up.
Sorry, See, his dreadlocks fan up a little bit because they're
catching air almost like a parachute.
So. OK, OK.
The thing with Knack the Weasel is that his different names have
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recently been confirmed to be different aliases.
A theory I've had for years, by the way.
I like that. Yeah.
However, my interpretation was always that Knack the Weasel was
his real name, and Faying the Sniper was his alias.
As it turns out, both Knack the Weasel and Thing the Sniper are
aliases, and Thing the Hunter Identity is his true name.
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Yes, Thing the Sniper is an alias, yeah.
They have to change from they have to change from sniper to
hunter cuz it's more family friendly.
I get that I understand it. I.
Agree 1000% that I think 100% the reason.
I think. I think Knack the Weasel would
be, I'm just speculating, but Knack sounds like more of a real
name. It's the name.
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It's like, it's like Henry JonesJunior.
And then like, oh, OK, my, my real name is Indiana Jones.
Or rather it's Frank the Sniper.That's my, that's my real name.
That's a cool name. Then he makes a comment saying
that your vector voice sounded like vector being electrocuted,
which I think is a compliment. OK.
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He specifically said, no offense, but I was like.
That's fine. No, I know that's fine.
It's a pair. Out of all the names, that one
is one of the most off kilter from the actual voice.
GTFS 36 and 37, so the pair of issues we covered in that
episode with Sonic. The Sonic brainwash plot is very
similar to episode 16 of The Saturday Morning Sat AM, which
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premiered 10 months earlier to that issue's release.
Issue 20 Sevens title Saturday Nights All Right for a Fight.
It's obvious reference to Elton John's 1973 Saturday Night
Nights All Right for Fighting. The song also has a Nickelback
cover that is featured in the Spiderman 3D animation video by
3D Fantast, which is how I knew the song exclusively until 2024
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when the original Elton John version made its way into
episode 6 of the Paramount Plus Knuckles series.
So the new saga eventually looped back into the series
there like 30 years later. I love that.
Is so fucking insane to me that a that there's a Nickelback
cover of Saturday night's all right for fighting and that's
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your like original version of this.
I that I'm so curious. So I have a theory that a lot of
times the I don't know if I saidthis on the podcast.
I was literally just talking about this to with someone
recently. I have a theory that like the
first time you hear a the song, that's the version you kind of
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enjoy the most, and then any other versions you hear later,
even if it's like the true original or something, you're
just like, yeah, it's good. I like it.
I always think too, So I'm not aNirvana fan really, but there
were two songs I really enjoyed off of his MTV Unplugged album.
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I don't know if you know that offhand.
Yeah. And the two songs that I really
liked, hated Everything else, was Where Did You Sleep Last
Night and The Man Who Sold the World, Which Where Did You Sleep
Last Night? I think is a cover of a song by
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a very old Blues musician. I want to say Mud Belly or
Leadbelly. Something that's probably it.
Because that that sounds right. And then The Man Who Sold the
World is a David Bowie cover andto this day I still prefer the
MTV uncovered Nirvana versions of those songs to the original.
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And I always think it's just 'cause that's the first version
I heard. So to me that those are the
versions that like really had weight to them.
I could be wrong. So actually, you know how you we
could defeat this speed boom, right?
I'd need to know if which version of Saturday Night is All
right for fighting is which version you enjoy?
I get no I understand that. I think for most people it is
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very much the same because it's associated with a certain point
in their life. It's associated with a certain
memory especially. Well, hopefully a good one, but
that's the one that usually sticks with them the most.
I know as a jazz fan I've like the the cover.
In pop music and rock music, covers are common, but they're
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not that common in jazz. You make your bones off of doing
covers. You can't do your own stuff.
But it's like, oh, this is a jazz standard that literally has
been done millions and millions and millions of times before,
right? Even like, like Paul McCartney's
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yesterday, right? That's like the most covered
song of all time according to many metrics.
Even then, that's like the same amount of cover that has been
done by jazz musicians who do jazz standards, because that's
literally what they do the wholetime.
So the point I'm getting at is that I have adjusted my head to
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be like, OK, when I hear a new jazz standard, I explore that
and I find a million different versions.
So I'm a little less in tune to that.
But when I associate it with a memory it it sticks out of my
mind a lot more. So I get that.
I understand that you were laughing earlier.
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Yeah, I was, I we're not readingit, but I read the the next
e-mail in our chain chamber and they they had a very funny intro
that I liked. OK.
So we'll continue with this one.Well, no, that was it.
We finished the e-mail, so any, anything you want to call out
(57:56):
right now, anything you want to talk about?
No, that was that was it. That's the issue.
Only I I honestly I just guessedwhere we're at.
I'm going to sit down and count it out.
Only 382 left to go. I'm Nick.
I stream at twitch.tv/mojosaurusand my personal blue sky is at
Mojosaurus. And I'm Dominic, you can follow
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my jazz and people power adventures in Chicago at Blue
Collar jazz. That hate group just came back
to to the low to the western suburbs.
So I did a second article on it.You can check that out.
And they're they're they're they're picking me fascists.
They're picking me Karen fascists.
They're trying to get Trump's attention.
Anyway, you can also follow me on Blue Sky at John Guan.
(58:40):
Not as much activity on there. I'm not getting as much
engagement on there. Just in it's not, it's not a
obviously audience problem. I'm just saying in general,
it's, I don't know if people arecoming back to Twitter or
something like that. Or maybe your people are just
like I'm done with social media.No, no, it's like, are people?
Going. That's got you.
I don't know, I genuinely don't know.
I just know that Instagram seemsto be the consistent one, which
(59:04):
is fine. That's where all the musicians
are, so. You can follow us on socials I
got to talk fast. TikTok has got to talk faster.
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Got to talk fast. Yeah, it's called pegging, and
it's heterosexual. I'm.
I'm right, by the way. That's not, that's not like a
joke. Joke where?
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It's wrong. I know.
I mean look, if God didn't want us to peg, he wouldn't put the G
spot in the fucking butt, OK? What's the welcome?
Do it. Do it.
Welcome to an oral review of Archie comic Sonic the Hedgehog.
Acknowledging that the language of politics is extremely
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confusing, frustrating, and pedantic.
Most of the time people don't know what they're talking about,
or worse, they know too much about what they're talking about
and don't say anything at all. But knowing how to navigate and
adapt that language to differentpeople without totally prop
compromising your values is a very useful skill.
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I'm Nick and except for this intro, I wrote the script.
And I'm Dominic, and except for this intro, I haven't read any
of today's script. Sorry for the late episodes,
I've been very very busy with work and I have not been able to
write. Luckily Dominic has really
stepped up and did some live streams for us on the channel.
We appreciate that, Dominic. Great job.
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That was a lot. They were a lot of fun.
I enjoyed it. It's, it takes a lot out of me
because I'm going deep back intolike my college days learning
music theory and all that stuff and.
He was just high and drunk the entire time, so he's really
reaching. High and drunk on knowledge like
that music theory. In theory, he was drunk and
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high. Look, I spent, I spent 10s of
thousands of dollars on that, onthat degree.
So someone's going to learn fromit, right?
Hey, man, I like that threat. It's a good threat.
Let's teach our audience music theory or else.
Yeah, right. I shouldn't say this out loud,
but like that should be another thing is just at the end of
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every episode you just teach me something new.
That's kind of like the intro like for instance, like Speaking
of the intro, I was mostly coming at that from like the the
leftist infighting that's very prevalent always like how, oh,
there's oh, I'm a Social Democrat.
Oh, are you a democratic socialist?
And then like proceed to fight for three hours while a fascist
shoots both of you. That's that is that is basically
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what has been happening for the longest time.
It had an uptick in the Trump years because you know, Trump
and then here in 2025 in the second Trump administration, it
is once again taking taking root.
But you can you can also extrapolate from that intro,
like we live in Chicagoland and there is a obviously it's a very
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quote, UN quote blue, you know, area, but there's still a lot of
conservative conservatives, you know, trademarked period.
But also there's just conservative thought in general
where it's like, hey, maybe someone he really hates Trump,
but they are totally in love with the police and they trust
them no matter what. Learning how to adapt to
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different segments of the political spectrum while talking
to people without being, you know, finger wagging, talking to
them about the revolution or whatever the whole time.
Being able to approach that at different levels and just be
approachable can be very helpfulto actually making a difference
and reaching out and making actual change.
So there's there's that aspect as well.
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Yeah. Nick's tired on I am educated
so. This is going to be a rough
episode for me. I worked like 10 days straight
or something, or 11 days I don'tknow.
He was giving me updates throughout the week, yeah.
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Yeah, And then yesterday was technically my first day off and
I tried writing an episode and Ijust didn't.
And after I finally acknowledgedthat I wasn't going to be able
to write it, I went and watched The New Mission Possible, which
I, I don't know. I mean, my very quick review of
The New Mission Possible 'cause I Know everyone cares is I
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personally adore it. I think it's a brilliant movie.
If you were going to ask me if if if that was not a Tom Cruise
movie and if that was not a Mission Impossible movie, would
I still have that opinion? My answer is maybe because I
love Tom Cruise and I love all of his movies.
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It's very anime. This is actually, this might
sell you Dominic, who's who's the director.
It's still Mccurry. I think it's the the the guy
filming at the cinematographer. I think he is like very anime
with how he like did. He do.
Creedments and stuff. No, no, no.
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No, you were talking to Michael B Jordan.
Michael B Jordan was very, Oh yeah, anime fan and he was
straight up like, yeah, I just lifted a lot of shit from anime
and did that in my movie. No, because like McCreary had a
different cinematographer in theother movies and had the same
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editor for like the last four movies.
So I don't think it is the editing and I don't think it was
the direction. I think it was mainly the
cinematographer. And there's just some very Yeah,
yeah, yeah. You might have to edit this down
so it's more coherent, but I honestly think Mission
Impossible, the new one is like Metal Gear Solid 2 or I
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shouldn't say Metal Gear Solid 2, because Metal Gear Solid 2 is
my favorite video game of all time.
It is a worse version of Metal Gear Solid.
Yeah. But like it it it's very much
lifting a lot of ideas from likethe series.
I don't know if it's true or notif they did, but it feels the
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the core concept of the movie isthat there's an AI that is
trying to control the world and they're trying to go up against
a God essentially. And so like the plot itself is
already very anime because they're essentially trying to
kill a God. It's AJ.
Is this person of interest? Is this?
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Yes, yes, thank you. Yes, it's a very person of
interest. It's very.
That's why I'm like, I love thismovie, but I acknowledge that it
might not be everyone's cup of tea.
And. So Part 2 opens with 911.
Yeah, 911 was the most importantthing that happened in mission
possible. It's the one one time Tom Cruise
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failed. Yeah, it was a yeah, flashback
to the first Mission Impossible or whatever, or where it's like
ADH Tom Cruise, and he was thereat 9:11.
Well, it's funny you say flashback because they do see,
you can talk about Mission Impossible wakes me up.
I'm starting to feel the energy.You start saying flashbacks and
it's very interesting because there's a lot of flashbacks in
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this movie because it's like thevery last movie.
And they're like, this is a reference to like one.
This is a reference to three. This is a.
Reference to two. Was that coherent?
Was that cogent or was that kindof forced?
That specific style and how theydid it felt anime to me.
And so to me it feels forced because I don't like when they
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do it in anime. I don't like it when there's
certain ways you can do it, but it feels like every time
something happened, they're like, yeah, the rabbits foot.
And then they flashback to stealing it in three and it's
like. Elude, okay, okay, okay, because
I know in James Bond Specter, the second to last Daniel Craig
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one, they tried to do a big wrapup of everything where it was
like, hey, everything is connected from the beginning of
the Daniel Craig James Bond years, but it was kind of forced
on top of the spectre being a lacklustre movie.
So they were like, we can't end on this.
We got to do No Time to Die and then they did No Time to Die and
it was, it was a lot better. I haven't seen Spectre no Time
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to Die, so I gotta, I gotta watch those.
So yeah, my my, my, my opinion is if you liked the last Mission
Impossible movie, then 100% see it because it's just more of the
same. You'll also like the last
Mission Impossible, The Yeah. Impossible.
Movie. If you didn't like the last
Mission Impossible movie, don't see this movie.
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And if you were indifferent, I'dwait until you know it's on
streaming and then watch it, Yeah.
OK, sounds good. Let's let's talk.
Hey, let's, let's, let's pivot gears to the real Mission
Impossible, which is getting through all of these Sonic
comics. Good, good.
I'm proud of you. That was good.
We we are reading Archie Comics.Son of the hedgehog #32 release
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or rather cover date March 1996.How old were you in 1996, Nick?
In March 96, I AM 54 years old. I am two years old, actually,
like on the dot. I am two years old.
I didn't know there was I didn'tknow there was that big of a
gap. I thought it was a lot closer
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our. Age.
Yeah. No, no, no.
No, I'm. So much older than you.
I'm an old man. Blast from the Past Part 1
Written by Angelo De Cesare and penciled by Art Mcwhinney We
open on the Freedom Fighters in a cold icy desert.
They are ice climbing when they are suddenly ambushed by some
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SWAT bots. All the Freedom Fighters make it
up the Cliff except 1. Sally, a SWAT bot with his
robotic precision aim, shot at the rope that Sally was using to
climb up the mountain. The rope gets blasted and Sally
is now untethered and falling toher certain doom.
Tails flies under her, swoops her up, and flies Sally to
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safety. The team starts running away,
with Sonic asking how on earth the SWAT bots found them.
Just then, Sonic notices a robotdog with them.
They tracked us with a robo dog.Robo dog?
What? That's Mutsky?
Buns chimes in, asking if Sonic knows the robot dog.
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Mutsky is my dog Bunny. He was captured and roboticized
at the same time as my Uncle Chuck.
He was my best friend and the only dog that I like better than
a chili dog. He even saved my life once.
Robot Mutsky is charging the Freedom Fighters when Sonic
holds up his hand like Neo stopping bullets in the Matrix.
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Mutsky, stop, it's me. Mutsky, stop, it's me.
Sonic, do you remember? I have my other arm behind my
like I imagine it's not on the panel, but I imagine for our
listeners, Sonic is like fighting Mutsky while saying
this and he's like he. He he has like sunglasses just
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like up here and he's got a trench coat.
In the climax of the first Matrix movie, where Neo does and
then my. Kosky sisters read this and
they're like, we're stealing this.
My favorite idea, my favorite shot in like probably one of my
favorite shots in all the film mystery like sequences is Neo
doing the fucking one arm behindhis back and just Agent Smith.
Like owning Agent Smith with onearm.
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Anyway Musky stop it's me Sonic,don't you remember?
Musky let's out a robotic bark and stops in his tracks.
The 2 lock eyes and Musky turns around and leaves with the other
SWAT bots who have stopped theirpursuit for some reason.
The Freedom Fighters continue onward to find Uncle Chuck.
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The Freedom Fighters are shockedto see him.
I called off that pot attack. Sonic, you forgot.
Did you forget the Sean guttering voice that we agreed
on for Uncle Chuck? I was, I was expecting like a
like a Scrooge Mcduck or something, or something, like
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something rich, you know? Though my mind is no longer
under Robotnik's control, I still have access to some of his
secret codes and equipment. But I'm afraid the same can't be
shed for poor Mutsky's mind. He's still a bot, Sonic, and
since he knows your scent betterthan anyone, he's your most
dangerous foe. Sonic ignores Uncle Chuck's
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warnings, saying that he'd neverbelieve that about Mutsky.
Antoine quickly quickly tries torally the troops and continue
their trek before the SWAT bots return.
Antoine starts marching and accidentally steps off a Cliff,
tumbling hundreds of feet. He safely lands on a pile of
snow, but before him is a large caveman encased in ice.
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The caveman is holding a club and a paintbrush.
He looks like a very stereotypical caveman but with
pointy ears almost resembling a bat.
The rest of the freedom fightershop down and start examining the
caveman. His scientific name is Mobus.
Orish Day Champions. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from
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this, we should leave. I I have the same reaction when
I read that. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from
this. We should leave.
And where we found him. Roeder, seeing an opportunity to
play God, says this. Look, I disagree, Sonic.
It's possible that the ice preserve the Mobian.
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I think the humane thing to do is to take him back to Knothole
and try to and try to revive him.
End of Part 1. Can I just get like a a a real
good delivery of Mondo Bad and Sonic's voice?
And Sonic's voice, yeah, that that line or just mondo bad.
Just mondo bad. Mondo bad.
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Yeah, OK. We could use that for something.
We could. And that's just I'm going to use
that for something, I don't knowwhat.
Yeah, yeah. That's too good if we ever do
streams again. Like do streams, You know, like
the alerts? Oh, we will.
That's in our. Future I'll do I will set that
and record that. Well, I have a soundboard and
I'm like, I kind of just want. There's not much to say in this
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first issue. There's a few things I want to.
There's a couple things. But go ahead, there's a couple
things. The very first thing, I think
it's a stretch to look at that dog and think that's Mutsky.
I agree that dog. Looks nothing like Mutsky though
with with Uncle Chuck it makes sense because he just he looks
exactly the same down to he has a robotic moustache.
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Mutsky like the the human form. The the animal form of Mutsky is
this cute, lovable looking like yellow dog with some brown hair,
almost like golden retriever esque, and then definitely a
mutt. But you know what I mean.
I mean, has to be a mutt. His name's Mutsky.
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And then this, this dog is literally silver and blue and
looks nothing like him. So I don't know how he jumped to
that conclusion. Yeah, it's, it's contrived in
that way. I have.
I think the freedom fighters aretoo.
We'll say chill about the fact that Uncle Chuck just happened
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to be there. Yeah, that was kind of weird
because he's not supposed to be in the field.
He is definitely more of a well again, you were.
Surprised he was there. Yeah, also that.
So like what? Yeah, that that that came out of
left field for me. And you know what I'm going to
say when he says. But I'm afraid the same can't be
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said for poor Mutsky. I'm just going to say, Uncle
Chuck looks kind of evil in thatpanel.
He does. I don't know why he's glowing so
much. I don't know what that is.
He's literally glowing and he's got kind of some evil eyes going
on. So maybe, maybe his
consciousness isn't all that, you know, I'm just saying he's
showing up randomly where the freedom fighters are without
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like notice and he apparently has control of the swap box
because he was able to make themgo away.
I'm just saying maybe I'm calledChuck as a spy.
On a he, he is compromised on a cellular level, right?
Exactly like holistically he is compromised.
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So I I don't understand. I mean, look, I do understand
why Sonic was quick to because you know, that's that is a
common weakness is to is loved ones and family.
So I get that. But the lack of any kind of
vetting or any kind of no one going hold up.
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Do we trust Uncle Chuck because this is the first time Bunny is
a special case because her mind was never fully transformed.
It was it was just the the limbsand torso.
We technically don't know that she might have a robot brain.
I think in the issue this might be getting too into the was.
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Her head was her was her head sticking out the entire time I.
Think it was, I don't double check.
Saying that, I think I agree. I'm pretty sure you're right.
Yeah, I think that's what it I can confirm in the edit, but I I
think that's what it was. Now they knowing this comic,
they could easily reckon that but.
Yeah, of course. For the most part, I I Bunny I I
feel safe about Uncle Chuck bat mondo bad vibes right now.
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Mondo bad yeah, that that's and then my last thing is just I
like I like Rotor's quickness tojust be like, let's just sub
freeze this dude and see what happens.
Yeah. You know, maybe he's got like a
disease or something that will spread.
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First and foremost, that second of all.
Or or they have a disease that will kill the caveman.
Yes, that is actually the more likely thing to happen.
Well, maybe not, I actually don't know.
But it's it is. It's dangerous either way.
And the plot of many science fiction movies.
But yeah, it's, it's kind of crazy.
I love it that that's Roeder. Roeder's pretty OG.
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He's pretty legit. You know what that's He's done
that before though, right? He's just reckless with with his
science. Yeah.
I yeah, I feel I can't think of anything right off the bat, but
yeah, I think so. And I appreciate, I kind of
appreciate that as a character trait because that if that is
consistent, which it feels like it's consistent, that's kind of
a cool thing about Roeder. I like that.
That's like his weakness and I'mcool.
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Like that's a cool character thing that I appreciate.
Yeah, and and I mean people needweaknesses, so.
Cliffhanger. The movie came out in 1983.
Sorry, Sylvester Stallone. And I, I don't think it's
emphasized enough just how influential that opening scene
is because I used to see it all the time, referenced all the
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time. And a lot of other media,
including like, I think it was in the second Naked Gun movie,
if not the third. But I distinctly remember that,
and it's been parodied a lot because that does that scene of
Sylvester. School, the opening scene of
Cliffhanger, if you haven't seenit, it's a banger.
I mean, banger is just a banger,but the opening scene is
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definitely the thing you want towatch from that movie.
I I would need to watch it again, but I remember that scene
specifically but that. Man, I have it.
You can borrow it whenever I getback from Houston.
There we go, blast from the pastPart 2.
We are in Knothole village. Roeder has taken a glaciator
from Robotnik, a device that shoots a ray and turns
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everything into ice. He has reversed the ray to melt
all the ice around the caveman, who has been given the nickname
Moby. This process is going to take 48
hours, a little slow for Sonic. He's getting ready to leave for
the day to pass some time when he accidentally bumps into the
glaciator, boosting the firepower of the device,
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instantly melting the ice aroundthe caveman.
The caveman moves. He opens his mouth and lets her
yell and destroys the glaciator,ensuring he'll never be put into
an ice prison ever again. Moby the caveman runs outside,
swinging his club at everything and everyone.
Buns quickly grabs the caveman with one arm and puts him up in
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a tree, once again proving she'sthe strongest freedom fighter.
The Freedom Fighters are trying to figure out what to do with
the caveman stuck in the tree when Roeder steps up and says
Moby is way out of place in our modern world.
It's got to be a total shock to him.
Give him a chance to adjust and I bet you'll see another side of
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Moby. Well, now wait.
Moby was holding a paintbrush when we found him.
Maybe he's one of those cave painters and maybe art is the
way to communicate with him. I'll be right back.
Buns runs off and returns with paint supplies.
She paints a picture of Buns, Sonic, and Moby holding hands.
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Look here, sugar, I drew this symbol for friendship,
understand? We all just want to be your
friends. Moby grabs the drawing.
He was reminded of his old family.
He had a partner, a child, and adog.
Sadness flashes across Moby's face and he runs off into the
Great Forest of Knothole. Roeder hypothesizes that Moby
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was going back to The Cave wherethe Freedom Fighters originally
found him. Sonic chases after him since
he's the fastest dude in town. End of Part 2.
I think it's really dumb that they felt the need to establish
that the caveman is a cave painter and that's the way to
communicate with him. Because art is a universal
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language and so is music. It's the one thing we don't need
to translate between people. It's the one thing we know that
Cavemen knew how to do. Yeah, right.
Proof that they did that shit incaves.
Out of everything else that we've implied, the painting is
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the one thing we actually have concrete evidence of that we
know that they can do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely insane
that that was my huge call out on this one.
I also don't understand why we needed this whole rigmarole
about why it's like hey the the glaciator takes 48 hours to do
oops I bumped it now it happenedinstantaneously.
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Like what was it? Just just have it do it
instantaneously. I.
Think it's just adding to the idea that Sonic is careless.
I'm OK with that. OK sure, it's just adding more
character to Sonic. I support it.
I guess so. I don't think, I don't think it
was necessary, but I, I I can, Ican see that point.
Yeah, and, and again, I'm, I'm, I'm glad that Buns is kind of a
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central character kind of on this one.
Maybe, maybe not central, but she's she's doing stuff in this
one. She comes up with the plan.
She puts the caveman up in the tree like this is the first time
in a very long time where I feellike Buns has been useful, which
I makes me happy because we needmore of that.
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Yeah, the last time it was her being chased down by that bus.
Written by Robotnik. Driven by Robotnik.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that wasn't too, too
long ago, but it was it's enoughwhere it's it's like which
because she's been physically absent, completely absent in
some other issues and it just feels weird Anyway, we've we've
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hammered that point a lot in previous episodes, but
definitely acknowledging it, acknowledging it that she's not
always muscle like she's communicating through art.
And that's really cool because she is canonically she is a hair
stylist as well. That's her other side of her,
which I think is interesting. It's like, OK, she's artistic,
but also the strongest mother ever in this whole thing.
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So there's that as well. How do we just feel about the
setup so far for the cavemans? Like, do you do you think this
is? It's.
Yeah. It's, I mean, we'll talk about
it more as a whole after the next one, I think.
But it's, it's fine. It's very cliched, but I'm like,
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I don't know it. It's exactly what I expect from
one of these kind of Looney Tunes esque issues.
So it. Feels like that, yeah.
I don't. I can't pin, I can't pinpoint an
example right now, but I feel like thawing A caveman out of
ice and you have a caveman out of time.
Feels strangely familiar as an exact plot in Other in other
cartoons. Was done in like Looney Tune.
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It's a very, I've definitely seen it in many things, so.
The first thing I can remember is Dexter's lab, actually
Dexter's laboratory. I don't know if you watched it.
There was that actually that onewas done really well where it's
the episode of Dexter in his hubris is like, I want to find
all the great inventors. Well, who's the 1st inventor?
Oh caveman they invented fire and then just brings a caveman
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to to present day and the caveman properly is like with
the shit and then just starts hitting everything because it's
a caveman and I enjoyed that. There we go blast from the past
Part 3. Sonic is dashing all over
looking for Moby when he stumbles upon him surrounded by
SWAT bots. Sonic after 31 issues of using
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the Sonic spin to get out of every situation, tries a new
move. He puts his arms out and starts
spinning in place like a helicopter blade.
He spins so fast he makes a tornado, picking up all the SWAT
bots and throwing them far away.However, all his spinning has
made him dizzy, and he accidentally crashes into a
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wall, knocking him out. As he's knocked out, a familiar
face walks up. It's Mutsky.
Mutsky starts running towards Sonic.
Moby, seeing this from afar, quickly grabs a rope, ties it to
a tree, and swings towards Sonic, rescuing him much like
Tarzan would. Mutsky was running so fast he
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runs straight into a wall, knocking himself out.
Moby finds a large rock that he's going to smash on Mutsky's
head when Sonic wakes up and tells him to stop.
Sonic then grabs a stick and draws an image of Mutsky and
himself in the ground, trying toshow friendship between the two.
Moby picks up Mutsky and hands him to Sonic.
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We cut back to Knothole, where Uncle Chuck was able to restore
Mutsky's consciousness. Uncle Chuck then walks up to
Moby. As for you, my prehistoric
friend, I can't send you back intime, but I can make our world a
bit more familiar to you. We cut to a jungle.
Not even not even Robotnik and his bots know about this Mobian
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jungle. The environment's too harsh for
modern folks, but you should find it just like home, Moby.
Moby is ecstatic. Everyone begins to say their
goodbyes when Sonic tells Mutskyto give him his paw.
Mutsky detaches his paw and everyone laughs in unison.
The end. So a few things how does Uncle
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Chuck doesn't know what kind of fucking environment this caveman
knows as his home? He can't communicate that he
doesn't know. Yeah, the the caveman seems like
he's happy, but I mean he's justhappy because the scene she's
never seen before and he's like,this is some cool shit.
So fuck off Uncle Chuck. Also, if this is an area where
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Robotnik doesn't know about, whydon't they set up not whole
village here? Yeah, that's a good point.
Like, that should be what do they do?
Like, yeah, yeah. And also how does Uncle Chuck
know about this? Like, what is he doing in this?
Like, is I don't, what is Uncle Chuck doing?
How does he know about this? A lot of a lot of these plot
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points are just kind of made-up and pulled out of people's
asses. I don't it's it's.
I'm just saying Uncle Chuck knows a lot of things he
shouldn't know. That might be giving them too
much credit, but going along that logic, I concur.
I agree but this this issue feels so floaty.
It feels so weightless. Which sucks because Mutsky is
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another Uncle Chuck. That's the whole point of both
Mutsky and Uncle Chucky. Not Uncle, it's not too Uncle
Chuck, it's just Mutsky. I I sorry, what I'm trying to
say is it's. Being a tech.
OK, you're being an asshole. Good.
Is that the template? You sold it very well.
You sold it very well. The the the template of these
two characters is the same, which is that they are emotional
anchors for Sonic, which you've established before in previous
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episodes of the show, but for for for months again, it feels
just as weight, even more weightless than when Uncle Chuck
came back right. And it's it's like this caveman
situation dominated so much of this whole storyline that I
didn't really get a lot of whatever here.
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And it's very strange, like, Tarzan didn't come, didn't come
out until 1999. Georgia, the jungle didn't come
out. Until 1997.
I mean, Tarzan came out in the 19, what, 1020s?
You're correct, you're correct. The movie didn't come out until
1999, so it's like we're not anywhere near a resurgence of.
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The Movie. Yes, you're right, You're right,
you're right. Didn't come out anywhere close.
Back to prevalence. This this story of a caveman
lost in time. It does not check out at all but
but. It's such a famous story.
It's and I don't, I don't consider this a Tarzan story
like in any way, shape or form. Sure, but you?
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Know just the concept, you're right, you're right, just the
concept of of jungle swinging caveman is just comes out of
nowhere that's all I'm trying tosay and.
Sure, sure, sure. It's weird.
It's weird that they would go this direction for the purposes
of bringing Metzke back. I, I I don't get it.
What I'm going to say very quickly is it looks like there
was a Tarzan TV series in the 60s.
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It looks like there was a Tarzanseries on air right now.
Oh. Like like 2025.
No, no, no, no 91 through 95. OK, then you know what, maybe
they pick every now and then. I like it because we've
established just a while ago that can especially, but a lot
of the other scriptwriters, they, they take a lot of things
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from current like the, the popular culture of that time of
like the time they're writing inand which is the 90s and we've
noticed that pattern. So maybe that it, maybe that's
it. And then I just found out about
a made for TV movie that came out in 1989 that I need to see
called Tarzan in Manhattan. Tarzan goes to New York to
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rescue the chimp cheetah who's been captured by an evil animal
experimenter there. He teams up with Jane, a cab
driver and daughter of an ex copPrivate Eye.
That's that sounds perfect. I need to see this.
So there, there's all that. What I'm, the point I'm trying
to make is that it's all I, I, Ihate to use the word contrived,
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but it really feels contrived inthis instance.
Like what? Where the fuck did that come
from? It's, it's weird.
And maybe we'll see Moby again because they've established that
Moby is in a safe place, that Moby can be useful.
It seems the the other thing I was going to say, sorry, is the
safe place that they decided to put him, which was in the remote
area of a jungle, I guess it seems like he should have just
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been put on Angel Island. That's a safe place.
Yeah, right. For sure.
Yeah, the floating island 100%. I I concur instead of making up
this random thing. Yeah, not Angel Island.
That's fine, that's fine, but like it's this, it's this random
place that's just pull out of chunkle Chuck's ass for no, for
no reason. I, I don't, I don't like that
cause 'cause they. I mean it's like my Gus says we
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never see Moby again unless if they tried doing some like
Avengers end game shit where they're like let's get every
single minor character we've ever had to fight Shore
Robotnik. Because they've already built
up. I look, I'm not saying you can't
make new characters. That's absolutely not true at
all. But you've built up such as this
vibrant universe, truly that I you can.
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Yeah, you can. You can you, you can reuse them
to give them more staying power,especially if you're going to
use it as a useless as a not a useless thing, but a rather a
throwaway thing, right? Is this the same jungle that
Princess Sally went on an excursion with during her mini
series? Maybe cuz that was the other
jungle environment so who knows,but it seems to be just
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something that I mean. There's not because Robotnik had
a bunch of like. You're right, yeah.
Something I'm realizing, and I don't know if it's the skill of
the riders or what. It seems like the issues without
Robotnik are a lot less interesting.
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Yeah, which sucks because I enjoy when they having new
protagonists I don't like. I love Robotnik.
We both love Robotnik. But I mean, he's my favorite
character so. Agreed, but for a a comic that
stretches hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of issues for
decades, I want to see other antagonists I want.
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Like for instance, this is goingto sound random, but Shrek the
Shrek. Movies just on random.
Yeah, I'm so glad that it wasn'tjust Lord Farquaad for all five
of those movies. And the new one that's coming
out, well, maybe I don't know, but for the movies that have
been established, I'm so glad that it wasn't just him.
Lord Farquaad was the first antagonist.
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And then just was defeated. That's it.
No more of him. Every other movie introduces
someone new, and I think that's really cool.
I think that's how most movies work, right?
Not necessarily. A lot of the time it's, well,
it's half and half. It's half and half really, where
it's a lot of the same for a story of this type where it's
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very Saturday morning cartoon. It's just the same mother effers
over and over again. That's the that's where I'm
basing it off of off of. So I should have said like, oh,
GI Joe, it's just the same Cobramother fuckers every single
time, right? We don't get new threats, we
don't get new antagonists. You.
You you do. Specifically in the cartoon
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show. Yeah, yeah, you.
I mean, they had to sell toys, man.
There's so many different antagonists.
They're, they're just all under the umbrella of like Cobra
Commander of Cobra, you know? What?
I mean, well, that's the point. I'm OK, Sorry.
That's the OK. You're right.
I agree with you. How cool would it have been?
It's like, hey, it's not just Cobra.
There's other politics, there's other people in the world,
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there's other cells, there's other antagonists, and I'm sure
there are episodes of those, butan overwhelming majority of them
came from Cobra. And it's like, hey, how cool
would it be if we just had a random mother fuck off terrorist
group that was doing doing things?
Yeah, I I haven't seen enough ofGI Joe to talk about this
intelligently, but I get the point you're trying to make.
Yeah, I I just remember from because I did watch a lot of GI
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Joe and it was almost always Cobra.
I watched a lot of the revival and it was always almost Cobra
and or we haven't I I'm just referencing something we talked
about off off camera. But the and or man, oh man, they
they they get it. They understand that shit.
Anyway, moving on. You want to move on?
Did you have any final points? I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't have any final thoughts
other than like, it was a boringwhatever.
Like, yeah, the best part about it was like someone came up with
a plan that wasn't Sonic. I agree.
That is nice, right? Coming up next here, Prisoners
Knuckles Chaotics Prisoners Script by Mike Gansernovich and
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Ken Penders. Penciled by Ken Penders.
We open on the Chaotics team sans Knuckles in complete
darkness, except for the exact spot they stand on, which seems
to be lit by a spotlight. The team is trying to figure out
what happened. The last thing they remember was
fighting in the jungle with Knuckles.
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As they theorize. A voice booms overhead.
Sorry to keep you in the dark, Charmy, but.
Or wait, wait, This is the. This is the.
The unknown voice. But it's the Australian, Or do
we not know that it's the Australian?
I think it's the cricket. It's the Australian we know.
It's the should I, should I do the voice?
Yeah, OK. A voice booms overhead.
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Sort of keep you in the dark, charmy.
But all I have more reasons. Don't fret though, we've no need
for Espio's vanishing act or a show of Mighty's prodigious
strength. All will be made clear.
Vector notices a security cameraand shouts out to it.
We cut to inside. The control room that we saw
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from the hunt is on in the Chaotic special #1 we see a
shadow of someone wearing a cowboy hat or slouch hat and
monitors watching the chaotic screw.
You seem to know an awful lot about us and about Knuckles.
But we don't know. But we don't know you from
Squat. That's the way I like it,
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Vector. Still, if I will put your minds
at ease, It's a problem which can readily be solved.
A door opens and the crew startswalking towards it.
They find themselves in a futuristic corridor.
They turn the corner and are metwith the mysterious stranger.
Everyone is in shock. To be continued.
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Yeah, there's literally nothing to say.
It's until we know more. Like we, but we kind of know
already who it is, kind of right.
We know it's a cricket. Well yeah, because he like
teleported himself or something.And was it the communion that
saw him or something? Yeah, I don't know, but.
Then he was just like you. You weren't supposed to see me
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or something. It was dumb.
It should have been. It should be Fang, the other
Australian character. No, sorry, sorry, not, not the
other Australian. We've had three Australian
characters at this point. But it should be a lot of
Australian characters, yeah. But you'd be Fang the Sniper or
Knack the Weasel, which is the, the under the mercenary hired by
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Robotnik that got knocked out multiple times by Sonic and
Knuckles. I I don't know who it should be,
but it's like, why did you need to make up a new Australian
character? Well, what's the point?
I, I don't I don't get it. This is the this is annoying and
it's not leading up to anything that I particularly enjoy
because everyone's shocked here.Everyone in Chaotix is shocked.
I don't think we're going to getshocked because who the hell
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could it possibly be? That's a we've never seen a
cricket, a cricket Aussie character before.
I don't get it. So it's it's dumb.
I agree, yeah. That's it, let's just move the
hell on. Tundra Road Part 2 script by Ken
Penders and penciled by Art Mahwinney.
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Nothole's freedom fighting Walrus Roeder received a
distress call from his family home in the frozen North Sea.
Princess Sally gave him permission to investigate.
He was shocked to discover a nefarious theme by Ivor
Robotnik. But before Rotor could contact
the Freedom Fighters, he was clubbed unconscious and sent to
a cold, watery grave. Rotor awakens on an ice sheet.
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It seems that Celia, the seal from the displaced Arctic
Mobians from Sonic issue #26 sawRotor sinking and rescued him.
A reminder of what Celia looks like.
French, I was fishing for AD there when I saw you in the
water and began to sink. I swam beneath you and push you
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back up to the surface. No offence, but this is not the
small test. When I reached the nearest
isoflow I tried to lift you without success.
Luckily for us, the big boy was nearby.
Augustus Zipola Bear. Augustus was also a displaced
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Arctic Mobian. He looks like a polar bear.
Rotor catches Celia up to speed,explaining the radio signals and
explaining that Robotnik has hypnotized all the walruses in
the Arctic. Augustus, Celia, and Rotor come
up with a plan. We cut to inside Robotnik's lair
with all the walruses standing around, hypnotized.
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The SWAT bots bring in a giant pink horse.
The SWAT bots bring up Robotnik on the video monitor to show him
the offering a tribute to you bythe other Arctic creatures.
They left it at the front door of this hidden fortress.
Isn't it a nice horse? And here's a note to Ivo from
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the Frozen Trojans. Robotnik gasps in horror.
You fools, it's a trap. Augustus, Celia, and Roeder
burst out of the Trojan Horse, easily defeating the SWAT bots.
Robotnik then commands the Walruses to destroy our 3
heroes. Augustus quickly grabs Roeder
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and brings him outside. They are standing at the edge of
the ice sheet with the Walruses coming to attack.
Augustus jumps into the ocean and breaks the ice shelf into
two pieces, one with Roeder juststanding on it, the other with
all of Roeder's friends, family,and villagers.
The walruses are unable to complete the order, standing on
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the ice island, starting to float away.
Roeder, quickly thinking, throwsa tracking device onto their new
home so that he'll be able to find them at a later date.
Celia, Roeder, and Augustus watch as the hypnotized walruses
float off into the sea. Roeder hops into his submarine
and says his goodbyes to Augustus and Celia, vowing to
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return soon with a cure for his loved ones.
End of Part 2. This is insane.
Yeah. Like, so they, they just made
like a little ice island ice boat, I don't know what you want
to call it and all. Like there's these like hundreds
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of walruses packed in like sardines and they're just
floating away on this island. You can't.
Leave like you can't just leave with them.
If Rotor's leaving, he needs to come back like in a day at most
because like they need to eat their animals.
They're going to, they're going to either die of starvation or
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dehydration or just their muscles are going to collapse in
on themselves because they're just standing there.
Yeah, right. Because the point is that
they're disconnected from robotics.
I'm assuming the implication is that they're disconnected from
robotics hypnosis, but but they're just floating there.
I don't. I don't think they're
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disconnected, I think. They can't receive orders.
Can't complete the order that they were given and so but like
walruses can swim. That was the other thing that
was confusing to me. So like that's kind of like, I
don't know if you know this that's kind of their thing is
walruses swim a lot. I I would say all the time
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actually. So the fact that the moment they
were on this floating, floating island, it's not the terminology
I should use specifically in this comic, it's these islands
started drifting away. I'm like, why are they just not
hopping into the water? They that's their thing.
Unless Robotnik made them so dumb that they can't even do
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that, which I can see being an excuse, but it is kind of weird.
Whatever. Sure, the.
One thing I appreciated about this this story is that we did
revisit these characters from the from the displaced, but we
only saw two of them. And I love that.
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I love that because that means the two of them had time to
breathe and do things. I agree it.
Was great, loved it. I felt more like, hey, these
were actual characters. I, I appreciate that the freedom
fighters go around and they meetother people who are willing to
join the resistance. Now, I don't like when they're
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branded and trademarked. We've talked about this before
when they're branded and trademarked, as you know, down
under freedom fighters or Arcticfreedom fighters or whatever, or
40 fathoms, freedom fighters. I, I think they can come up with
unique names, right? Like like the, the, the people's
Arctic front or something like that.
Like, that's cool, That's nice. But anyway, anyway, the fact
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that the story gave these two. Path, Path.
Yes, path and. Then they would get into
infighting with the the front for the Arctic people, right?
Something like. That and and then as they're
fighting, then Robotnik takes over.
Yeah, that'd be a cool story. That'd be a genuinely cool and
sadly realistic story, timeless story.
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But in terms of, of this of, of what we're seeing in front of
us, that's at least nice that weget to see these two characters
be a little. We get a whole, we get a whole
page where Celia is talking or acouple pages where Celia is
talking to Roeder and she is herown character.
It's not a particularly deep conversation, but she gets to do
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her own thing. And then of course, we get the
polar bear, Augustus. And, you know, not as much
characterization, but there is some characterization.
He's a little grumpy. He doesn't trust Rotor, right?
This, this is remarkably refreshing.
It's not that great, but it's remarkably refreshing for this
comic. Yeah.
I not much to say other than I'mactually in agreement, that is,
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yeah. I'm kind of sorry if I'm doing a
lot of talking and heavy liftinghere, I figured you were tired
but. I am very tired.
Yeah. But I appreciate though, Nick, I
appreciate you. Yes.
The I do like the implication that there are Trojans at one
point. Yes, I didn't think about that.
Because Robotnik immediately knew that it was a Trojan horse
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and they called it Trojans or something.
I think the word of Trojans was using Trojan because my my phone
died so I can't play with the comic anymore.
They say frozen Trojans, that's what they say.
They didn't need to do a horse. They could have done literally
any sculpture or statue, but they did the.
Horse because it's Or they couldhave just done a giant present
and been like this presence for Robotnik.
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Correct and still made the Trojan reference to me this just
and it's not particularly deeperon the nose, but I'm implying
this that it implies that there is like a the horse society that
did the Trojan thing. Yeah, I think.
That'd. Be pretty cool.
Like would the horses stand or would the horses be on all
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force? Oh, they, they, they, they're on
2. They're on 2.
They're bipedal, OK. Yeah, they're bipedal.
That's that's the sign of intelligence, I think.
Oh, you're right. In this world.
Mutsky. Mutsky is on all fours, yes.
Yep. And he's dumb.
I mean I might be wrong but that's the vibe I'm getting.
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Yes, I concur. All right, this this issue was
kind of wack. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't much
to say. Like it was just fine.
We get lots of fun little loony tune.
Yeah, yeah, and and a weird distrust of Uncle Chuck now, so
I don't even know if. That was.
I hope that was the implication.If not, that sucks.
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I don't. I don't think it was the
implication. I think I don't.
Think so either like that's that's just a bad story to like.
Yeah, you want to grab your guitar?
Go. No, it's time for Sonic grams.
You can right to Sonic Grams. Oh yeah, it's illegally distinct
(49:02):
Sonic Grams. It's an unaffiliated Sonic
Grams. We made our own Sonic Grams.
All right, we're, we're only going to read 1 e-mail today.
We got, we got another one in the chamber though.
We'll read that one next week. This one is from our pal Speed
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Boom. Speed boom.
All right, written after episode42, but as a response to
episodes 32 to 37 guys, gals andnon non binary pals.
I am back then. So he actually just goes through
and he's just like, I'm just going to talk about these
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episodes one by one in a short little burst.
So should we do? That or.
Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's fine.
I wouldn't. I'm not against it, I just it'll
be very disorienting for other people.
No, we're fine. GTF 33.
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I think he's specifically talking to me, I expressed.
So you expressed confusion on whether Knuckles was flying.
Sorry and there was confusion expressed on whether Knuckles
was flying, considering he went from the ground to suddenly
super high up in the air. I've always kind of thought of
it like Hulk super jump. And then from that height he
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just glides from there. I don't think the flying is
self-propelled, but rather lighting up and down with wind
currents. So that's that's an interesting
theory. And then he he throws in that
Nick is 100% correct. I just want to put this on the
record that the monster at the end of the book is a great kids
book. GTF 34.
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Did you have any comments on that?
No keep. Going.
Yeah, GTF 34. You said that the Arctic freedom
fighters left no impact, and I completely agree.
You know why? Because I straight up do not
remember them being in this comic.
I know I've read this, but nearly this whole SU felt
completely foreign to me. Good.
I I got I got good news for you.Speed boom, they come back.
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I think he knows that by now. Assuming I assume that's the
last time we see him too GTF 35.At one point in this issue it is
assumed that Knuckles is glidingwith the use of his dreadlocks.
This was a contenders idea, but it's actually something that
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dates back to Knuckles creation.When he glides in Sonic 3 and
Knuckles you can actually see his dreadlocks fan out and up.
Sorry, See, his dreadlocks fan up a little bit because they're
catching air almost like a parachute.
So. OK, OK.
The thing with Knack the Weasel is that his different names have
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recently been confirmed to be different aliases.
A theory I've had for years, by the way.
I like that. Yeah.
However, my interpretation was always that Knack the Weasel was
his real name, and Faying the Sniper was his alias.
As it turns out, both Knack the Weasel and Thing the Sniper are
aliases, and Thing the Hunter Identity is his true name.
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Yes, Thing the Sniper is an alias, yeah.
They have to change from they have to change from sniper to
hunter cuz it's more family friendly.
I get that I understand it. I.
Agree 1000% that I think 100% the reason.
I think. I think Knack the Weasel would
be, I'm just speculating, but Knack sounds like more of a real
name. It's the name.
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It's like, it's like Henry JonesJunior.
And then like, oh, OK, my, my real name is Indiana Jones.
Or rather it's Frank the Sniper.That's my, that's my real name.
That's a cool name. Then he makes a comment saying
that your vector voice sounded like vector being electrocuted,
which I think is a compliment. OK.
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He specifically said, no offense, but I was like.
That's fine. No, I know that's fine.
It's a pair. Out of all the names, that one
is one of the most off kilter from the actual voice.
GTFS 36 and 37, so the pair of issues we covered in that
episode with Sonic. The Sonic brainwash plot is very
similar to episode 16 of The Saturday Morning Sat AM, which
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premiered 10 months earlier to that issue's release.
Issue 20 Sevens title Saturday Nights All Right for a Fight.
It's obvious reference to Elton John's 1973 Saturday Night
Nights All Right for Fighting. The song also has a Nickelback
cover that is featured in the Spiderman 3D animation video by
3D Fantast, which is how I knew the song exclusively until 2024
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when the original Elton John version made its way into
episode 6 of the Paramount Plus Knuckles series.
So the new saga eventually looped back into the series
there like 30 years later. I love that.
Is so fucking insane to me that a that there's a Nickelback
cover of Saturday night's all right for fighting and that's
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your like original version of this.
I that I'm so curious. So I have a theory that a lot of
times the I don't know if I saidthis on the podcast.
I was literally just talking about this to with someone
recently. I have a theory that like the
first time you hear a the song, that's the version you kind of
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enjoy the most, and then any other versions you hear later,
even if it's like the true original or something, you're
just like, yeah, it's good. I like it.
I always think too, So I'm not aNirvana fan really, but there
were two songs I really enjoyed off of his MTV Unplugged album.
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I don't know if you know that offhand.
Yeah. And the two songs that I really
liked, hated Everything else, was Where Did You Sleep Last
Night and The Man Who Sold the World, Which Where Did You Sleep
Last Night? I think is a cover of a song by
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a very old Blues musician. I want to say Mud Belly or
Leadbelly. Something that's probably it.
Because that that sounds right. And then The Man Who Sold the
World is a David Bowie cover andto this day I still prefer the
MTV uncovered Nirvana versions of those songs to the original.
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And I always think it's just 'cause that's the first version
I heard. So to me that those are the
versions that like really had weight to them.
I could be wrong. So actually, you know how you we
could defeat this speed boom, right?
I'd need to know if which version of Saturday Night is All
right for fighting is which version you enjoy?
I get no I understand that. I think for most people it is
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very much the same because it's associated with a certain point
in their life. It's associated with a certain
memory especially. Well, hopefully a good one, but
that's the one that usually sticks with them the most.
I know as a jazz fan I've like the the cover.
In pop music and rock music, covers are common, but they're
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not that common in jazz. You make your bones off of doing
covers. You can't do your own stuff.
But it's like, oh, this is a jazz standard that literally has
been done millions and millions and millions of times before,
right? Even like, like Paul McCartney's
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yesterday, right? That's like the most covered
song of all time according to many metrics.
Even then, that's like the same amount of cover that has been
done by jazz musicians who do jazz standards, because that's
literally what they do the wholetime.
So the point I'm getting at is that I have adjusted my head to
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be like, OK, when I hear a new jazz standard, I explore that
and I find a million different versions.
So I'm a little less in tune to that.
But when I associate it with a memory it it sticks out of my
mind a lot more. So I get that.
I understand that you were laughing earlier.
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Yeah, I was, I we're not readingit, but I read the the next
e-mail in our chain chamber and they they had a very funny intro
that I liked. OK.
So we'll continue with this one.Well, no, that was it.
We finished the e-mail, so any, anything you want to call out
(57:56):
right now, anything you want to talk about?
No, that was that was it. That's the issue.
Only I I honestly I just guessedwhere we're at.
I'm going to sit down and count it out.
Only 382 left to go. I'm Nick.
I stream at twitch.tv/mojosaurusand my personal blue sky is at
Mojosaurus. And I'm Dominic, you can follow
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Collar jazz. That hate group just came back
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So I did a second article on it.You can check that out.
And they're they're they're they're picking me fascists.
They're picking me Karen fascists.
They're trying to get Trump's attention.
Anyway, you can also follow me on Blue Sky at John Guan.
(58:40):
Not as much activity on there. I'm not getting as much
engagement on there. Just in it's not, it's not a
obviously audience problem. I'm just saying in general,
it's, I don't know if people arecoming back to Twitter or
something like that. Or maybe your people are just
like I'm done with social media.No, no, it's like, are people?
Going. That's got you.
I don't know, I genuinely don't know.
I just know that Instagram seemsto be the consistent one, which
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is fine. That's where all the musicians
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