October 2, 2023 • 35 mins
Ever feel like you're weathering the storm all alone? Imagine discovering the beacon of grace amidst all the chaos. Join us, your hosts Carri Richard and Ebony Gilbert, as we embark on an unvarnished conversation on finding grace, even amidst tempestuous life storms (i.e.. when life gets "lifey"). We delve into some personal stories, exploring how we navigate the highs and lows, and the unexpected places where grace shows up. As the hurricane in Florida swirls, we shed light on the idea that unseen, yet powerful forces are constantly at work in our lives.
Navigating life's uncertainties can be daunting. And what if we told you that there's a small, inner voice that can guide you when the "logical compass" goes haywire? In the second half of our candid discussion, we delve into finding faith and resilience during these challenging times. Drawing from our experiences, we share insights on how to remain rooted in the present and seek inner guidance. We all have stuff, difficulties and challenges, and we can tread these uncertain paths together, remembering the comforting reality that God's grace is ever-present, serving as an unwavering companion through our journey. Tune in, prepare to be inspired, and remember: Grace is waiting to be found in every corner of your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Grace Among Us, the podcast where we
unearth the many faces andplaces of grace and share
stories of the power of grace inour human lives.
Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
own life and share it withothers.
Carri Richard (00:22):
Hello, hello, my name is Carri Richard.
I'm a mindset coach and I dothat by day and also speak with
my dear friend Ebony Gilbert onmy very favorite topic.
And that is Grace.
Hello Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:39):
I'm Ebony Gilbert , as Carri stated, and I work in
the healthcare field, and todayI'm here to talk about - today,
like a lot of other days Ithink we have like 24, 25 at
this point.
We are here to talk about graceand today we don't have a
specific topic just yet.
Maybe by the time we get to theend of it we will.
Carri Richard (00:58):
Yes, (Ebony - so we're going to spitball it,
Carri).
Ebony Gilbert (01:02):
what's going on in your life?
(Carri - oh my goodness).
Carri Richard (01:06):
You know, life is .
First of all.
I'm really thankful to be here,I'm really thankful to have
this place and time, and a dearfriend to - that is asking me
what's going on in my life.
A lot is going on in my life,you know, and I get to choose.
(01:30):
I could describe to youdramatic things that are
happening that I don't care for,which I could do.
I could also celebrate a kayakthat is coming into my life so I
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can get out on the waterbecause I'm surrounded by it.
And I could actually do alittle bit of both.
And yeah, so life is full.
The summer's ending, so it's atransition.
I do have a teenager at home,so this is a transition time.
(02:12):
The weather is cooling down.
The trees here are actuallystarting to turn a tiny bit.
Some of the trees.
Already, yeah.
So I don't know if that's theweather or just you know where
we are.
I don't know, I'm not going tofigure it out, but there is a
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transition coming.
So, yeah, that's the beginning.
So what's going on for you,Ebony?
Ebony Gilbert (02:45):
I've been following this hurricane in the
news because I'm from Florida,originally from Fernandina Beach
, Jacksonville area.
I spent 18 years there and Ilived in Tallahassee for eight
years.
Tallahassee is getting, youknow, pounded right now.
(03:06):
So I've been following thisstorm and, being from Florida,
I've seen a lot of hurricanes, alot of hurricanes, a lot of
storms.
But you talked about theseasons changing.
I think it's bigger than justwhere you are, because the surge
they're expecting from thisstorm is not just because of the
storm.
(03:26):
It's about the environmentchanging and the seasons
changing.
It's bigger than just the stormand I'm going somewhere with
this.
So there's a supermoon happeningthis weekend.
We've had a couple here lately,but there probably won't be
another one for another 10 years, not like this.
(03:48):
So this supermoon is falling inthe same time span as this
storm.
So you're going to get a supertide and global warming, climate
change whether you agree withit or not, the ocean is
significantly warmer than it hasever been in history, recorded
history.
So these things that arehappening to the environment, it
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literally beyond our world,beyond our planet.
The moon is impacting the stormthat we're trying to predict,
but we can't predict the directimpact of these other things
that are bigger than the stormyou follow me, (Carri - I know
where you're going.
I hear (Ebony - where I'm goingCarri?
Bring me there.
Carri Richard (04:33):
Come on.
Oh, I love that you said themoon, things outside of our
world, and it's a reminder to methat there - t here are so
many things that are intertwinedthat I can't see that when I'm
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trying to control what's goingon.
Or I think I know the rightanswer, or I just wish it was a
little bit different, or or or Istart asking why, why is it
like this?
I am - essentially for me, I'vegot blinders on and I can't see
the super moon.
Ebony Gilbert (05:15):
Right - You're looking at your storm.
Carri Richard (05:18):
Exactly, exactly, and grace is all encompassing.
Ebony Gilbert (05:26):
Absolutely.
Oh, you went there with me,thank you.
So the storm, and you get tocategorize it.
So here's the thing about thestorm.
I'm going to keep going.
Storm, the storm is categorizedbased on wind speed.
That's what determines if it'sa CAT -one, -two, -three, -four.
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Not the rain, not the rainfall.
The rainfall is what causes thesurge and does the damage, when
obviously is very damaging, butthe rain and the flooding is a
massive problem and it usuallycomes after the storm.
(06:12):
So, if you don't prepareproperly for the storm, during
the storm, you get in the eye ofthe storm and you think, oh,
it's better, it's better, that'sshort term.
The other side is coming andthen, even after that, when you
think it's better and resolved,that's when the levee will break
, that's when the dam gives,that's when the waters do crazy
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things, and it comes in phases.
The seasons, within a week'speriod of time, literally three
days, will go from one thing tothe next, to the next, to the
next to the next.
And even with all of that, evenwith all those things I just
said the surge, the eye, thebefore, the after, the flooding
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you still have to account forthere is a bigger force.
There's a moon.
There's a global change, andwhen I think about this for the
storms in our lives, we're bothgoing through our own serious
storms.
If we set the expectation thatit'll be over soon, it'll be
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over soon, it'll be over soon.
That's good, that gives us hope, but is it realistic?
Carri Richard (07:24):
It's such a great question.
When you were talking about theeye of the storm, it's.
You know, when I have toughstuff going on, it can be very
uncomfortable, absolutelyuncomfortable.
And when there's any sense ofrelief, the knee- jerk can be,
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"it's over - got through thatone".
And then, like you said, thebackside comes through.
(Ebony - Oh, it's coming).
Yeah, exactly, and you know,when that backside comes through
, grace is also coming with it.
(08:07):
(Ebony - Absolutely.
Sometimes I can get -- soI'm in the eye of the storm.
The sky is blue.
I've been in a couple ofhurricanes, nothing like Florida
.
But all of a sudden it's likethis calm, it's like raging, and
then all the sun, the sky opensup and that's like, "oh my gosh
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, it's over.
And then the next, the back endor the bands or the other half
of the storm comes through andit's almost like I am standing
there putting my fists up tothat side of the storm, like
wait a second, no more.
(08:48):
(Ebony - Enough of this) Exactly, and that's when I have to
remember that there's grace inthat half too.
Ebony Gilbert (08:58):
So grace in the storm.
The eye of the storm is neverconsidered to be a good thing,
necessarily.
It's grace, though, because itgives you a break, it gives you
a regroup moment.
The other side, the weatherafter the storm, reminds you of
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what's happening in the eye.
You get that calm, but now youhave a clear view of the
destruction that's been causedand you take that step back and
you go again oh, it's over.
Go to bed, you think it's over,and then you wake up and
there's water in your livingroom because the surge happened.
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So you know, you said it earlieryou get a choice right.
We can look at the storm, lookat the destruction and
everything, or you can see thesprinkles of grace throughout it
.
You know, all the grace in it.
That storm today took a turnright before it went straight up
for trial trials.
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They were expected to be a,CAT-4, like there had been so
much grace even in the middle ofthe storm, and it makes me
wonder, when we're going throughthese things, what choice are
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we making and how we look at it?
You know.
Carri Richard (10:29):
And to your point of looking at it.
So I want to go back to whenthey categorize storms.
They categorize thesehurricanes.
It's based on the wind speed,right, but then there's this
whole other concept of the surgeand the water, which is
extremely damaging.
Wind can be damaging, butthere's this whole flooding
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concept too.
That's not being measured.
And the question I pose is howare you measuring your storm?
How are you measuring it?
Ebony Gilbert (11:01):
Because the wind is short term.
Once the storm stops, the windstops, the surge comes
afterwards and has theimplications for far more
lengthy damaging situations.
How are you measuring yourstorm?
Carri Richard (11:19):
Exactly and I can say I have had many a storm
where I measure its category,its strength by my emotions and
my feelings and I forget thatthese storms, at least in my
life, the storms that come,there's also an immense amount
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of healing on the other side,and I can Absolutely.
It's hard to remember that orto categorize it in that way
when I'm in the midst of it.
Ebony Gilbert (11:56):
The restoration process, the healings, the
restructuring.
This is far left field Go withyou though.
Okay, I've never been a wafflehouse fan.
I don't like the waffle house.
Carri Richard (12:07):
Sorry, waffle house.
Ebony Gilbert (12:10):
I've eaten there many, many, many times.
It's not on my favorite place,but it's open all times at night
and it's convenient.
So when they get ready toremodel a waffle house, they
don't, they tear the whole thingdown.
They literally demolish it torebuild it and that's their
(12:30):
version of remodel.
That's something to be saidabout that.
That it has to be torn downcompletely, yeah, that it's
worth more.
It's a wiser investment to teardown the broken structure and
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they usually do it before itstarts to break down.
It's on a time cycle, it's on aseasonal thing.
It's more valuable to destroyit and rebuild it than it is to
try to patch up or fix what'sbroken.
That's the storm.
It's coming to prepare us forrestoration and if we were left
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to our own devices, we wouldnever choose to demolish.
That just intuitively feelslike that's a lot more work,
right?
Carri Richard (13:22):
Exactly.
Can we just please just put acoat of paint on this?
Come on, (Ebony - get a bettergrease trap, you know)?
Yeah, yeah, are yousidestepping your storm?
Or trying to?
Ebony Gilbert (13:36):
Right, and the greater healing, the greater
restoration, the greater goodcomes with the destruction.
Yeah, it has to be broken, ithas to be taken down.
So, man, we're saying a lot, alot of stuff here.
There's a lot packed in here,but are you sidestepping your
storm?
The thing that allowed theopportunity for a total
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restoration?
Yeah, I mean, I just heardmyself say that I had to ask
myself that on the inside.
Carri Richard (14:06):
(Ebony - Are you trying to sidestep your storm?
) Me too, and it's anappreciation of its curiosity,
of like, wow, what is beinghealed in this process?
Because I'm not liking it.
It doesn't.
You know, I'd rather be.
Sometimes I get in places whereit's like I'd rather be
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somewhere else, something else,having something else, and it's
like, well, what is the purpose?
Like there is healing.
I do know on the backside ofevery storm, something has been
healed.
(Ebony - Absolutely).
Ebony Gilbert (14:45):
Absolutely, and it doesn't mean you can't board
up your windows.
It doesn't mean you can't takeshelter.
It doesn't mean you don't pray.
It doesn't mean you don't findcomfort in God.
It doesn't mean you don'tsurround yourself with the
support of things you need tomake it through.
You have to weather the storm.
You got to make it through.
Carri Richard (15:02):
Such such good.
There is a ton packed in theretoo.
It's like you can take care ofyourself through the storm.
(Ebony - You don't sit idle).
Be prepared, do not sit idle,and when the direction is to
evacuate, you don't have to doit yourself.
Right, this isn't you againstthe entire storm.
Ebony Gilbert (15:26):
That's good.
So the messaging is not oh, thestorm's coming and it's going
to keep coming.
It's going to be more stormyand more.
It's kind of level- setting theexpectation, choosing your view
and then seeing the grace in it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But don't sit idle.
Ebony Gilbert (15:45):
Yeah, Faith without works is dead right,
(Carri - absolutely, absolutely).
So I have faith and want to geton the other side of this.
I have faith that it's going tobring healing.
I have faith that there will berestoration.
It's going to hurt, there willbe damage.
I get all that, but I havefaith.
The works are what I have to dowhile I'm in it.
Carri Richard (16:11):
Absolutely, and for me it's reminding - I'm not
alone, that there is somethingbigger than me at work.
There's a moon, grace ispresent, right there's a super
moon.
Yes, there's a moon, there'stides, there's work, there's
water, there's happening.
(16:31):
Yeah, that are out of mycontrol.
Ebony Gilbert (16:34):
And unpredictable .
Yes, you don't get to be incontrol.
Carri Richard (16:42):
Very little, except my attitude.
Ebony Gilbert (16:45):
No one has ever tried to stop a hurricane.
You can't do it.
Carri Richard (16:50):
We can't build some like supersonic net right?
Ebony Gilbert (16:53):
You can't do that .
Carri Richard (16:54):
You can't do it.
And why would you?
I mean, I know the easy answeris, "well, if we did that, then
nobody'd get hurt, right?
But I have no idea why theycome.
Ebony Gilbert (17:18):
And why they come only in one season.
Yeah, why they only come in oneseason.
It's watching the news, whichis a horrible idea.
Carri Richard (17:32):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (17:34):
Bad idea.
It's watching the news Not goodbedtime viewing.
But FEMA was making a statementabout - they're running out of
money.
They literally have $3 millionin reserves a day before a
hurricane hits.
Why?
Not because they'reirresponsible and unprepared.
Well, they didn't expect Hawaiito catch on fire.
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So they depleted a lot of theirfunds and they were concerned.
I mean, they had a famous likemaking a statement saying I
don't know if this ends up beingreally bad, I don't know what
we're going to do, and I waswatching it thinking oh man, so
in addition to a storm and asupermoon and all these things
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are going on, the thing that werely on to help us afterwards.
it's kind of iffy and I was likeoh see, this is where you got
to have a whole lot of faith.
You got to really tap intosomething deeper.
We can't rely on the world togive us the inspiration that
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it's going to be OK.
What happens now?
And I don't have an answer, butit definitely begs the question
that there's got to besomething bigger and deeper when
the things you rely on areknowingly not going to be there.
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What's the thing when you areyour worst, when you are feeling
like I ain't going to make itthrough today, what's your go to
In the tangible sense in your?
I know you pray, but what'syour go to?
Carri Richard (19:19):
My go to is - I have a couple of different go
to's.
I have - that's a greatquestion.
You know, a long time ago my goto was, " God doesn't give me
anything more than I can handle,which I do believe.
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Another go to is to get off thesubject for a minute.
Sometimes I can watch myselftrying to measure just like when
you're talking about FEMA Allthat's going on in Maui and that
the regular standard proceduresaround a hurricane are not
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applicable to this hurricane.
It's a reminder.
I don't know how I'm going toget through the storm and I want
to look at a storm that I havegoing on right now and try to
figure out, based on the past,how this is going to go.
But that wasn't the question.
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I kind of went off thereservation.
So what are my go?
Ebony Gilbert (20:36):
to it's okay, it's your show, oh thanks.
Carri Richard (20:41):
One of the things is to do what's in front of me,
to be honest.
Well, I think we're alwayshonest here, but I could, when
I'm in the middle of a storm andthings aren't going the way I
want them to and I am notfeeling at my best, it's to stay
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in the middle - to just do thenext thing.
Like (Ebony - you want to hunker down?
) Yeah, it's like I could havecalled you and said you know
what?
I can't do this today.
And here we are in the veryopportunity to actually move
through part of it - just bytalking about it, just by you
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know it's a that is my go to isto not isolate.
Ebony Gilbert (21:35):
Is that a learnedc behavior or just your
natural inclination?
Carri Richard (21:38):
No, it's a learned behavior.
That's a great question.
For me, it's a learned behavior.
Ebony Gilbert (21:47):
What was the catalyst to lead you to to learn
that?
Because, when things are bad, Idon't know if it's intuitive
for me to.
I've gotten better about it, soI ask but it's not intuitive
for me to stay.
I go out to fight or flight andI like to fly.
Carri Richard (22:06):
Yeah, that's a.
What was the catalyst?
The catalyst is about 16 or 17years ago, when literally my
whole life fell apart because Iwas trying to do it all myself
and I could not keep all theballs up in the air.
Ebony Gilbert (22:28):
Yeah, just stand still.
Carri Richard (22:32):
And like, not for me, it was not run away or just
you know, isolate, yeah.
And today I'm surrounded bypeople who do it too, who stay,
who learn how to stay.
Ebony Gilbert (22:50):
Staying power.
Carri Richard (22:51):
Absolutely.
(Ebony - Yeah, that's cool.
That's good.
) About for you.
What prompted you to learn tostay?
Ebony Gilbert (23:05):
I didn't have a choice.
I felt like I was running awayand I was coming back to the
same place.
It was like running around alabyrinth.
It was like this is just takingme deeper and deeper in.
I did better off if that stayin the outer band.
I'm running away with nodirection.
My steps aren't guided.
Yes, so if I'm going to runaway or walk away or escape or
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find a path of whatever -evacuation, I need signs.
If you've been on these roadswhere you see evacuation route.
Carri Richard (23:38):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (23:39):
I need some guidance.
I need some steps to tell mewhere to go to evacuate.
Carri Richard (23:44):
Exactly here, when we had Isabel, which was
huge years and years ago, thehighways they installed these
big gates now.
So if we have an evacuation,not only are there signs but
they close things down and justallow the highways to go in one
direction.
(24:04):
That is very different, to yourpoint, running away, or being
guided to step back or step awayor geographically get out of
the way.
(Ebony - Correct) right.
Ebony Gilbert (24:20):
Yeah, so it was trial and error for me.
I can't just run aimlessly intothe wind.
I don't know if I'm going tohigher ground or not.
I don't know if what I'mrunning to is greater than what
I'm running from, unless mysteps are guided.
So after making that mistaketoo many times and landing in
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the wrong place, I'm like well,this is quicksand.
I was better off in the mud.
At least I wasn't sinking.
Why is this worse?
What?
So until I know the path, Imight as well stand still.
Carri Richard (24:54):
Absolutely.
Another comfort or somethingthat helps me to stay in the
midst is for me, God is only inthe present.
My access to or connection toGod is only in the present.
So if I'm running for the hillstrying to get away from this
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moment, I don't know that Graceis coming with me.
Ebony Gilbert (25:27):
It's not ordained .
It's not ordained, and I thinkonce I realize that at my best,
it's still pretty crappycompared to a guided step.
Like my logic and my rationaleat my best without the guidance
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of God sucks.
Ok, it is horrible.
I'd rather hear a small voice.
It could be one step.
I have so much more confidencein that one guided step than I
do in my 18-page outline of whatneeds to happen.
Carri Richard (26:08):
Your professional project plan.
Ebony Gilbert (26:10):
And my professional project plan sucks
compared to one guided step, onesmall voice, one whisper.
Carri Richard (26:20):
Absolutely, and for me often it is just one step
.
When I'm in the midst, it's onestep.
I do one step, and when I takethat step, I get another step.
Ebony Gilbert (26:34):
You get another one.
Yeah, you get another one.
After I made that mistake a fewtimes here, I was like so
there's a method to the madness,and I should stop Be still,
Ebony Be still.
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Be still.
In my experience, when I'mstill, it's not a matter of
being idle, it's a matter ofsurrender.
It's saying God, I don't knowwhat I'm doing, even though I
think I do.
My emotions are tricking me andif they're right, tell me,
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because I got my plan ready.
My project plan is ready to go,but I need you to validate it.
Carri Richard (27:25):
Yes, and what does that validation look like
for you?
Ebony Gilbert (27:33):
It's confirmation .
You know I'm full of unrelatedrelated stories, so I'll tell
you this I lost a watch.
I don't know how long it wasmissing oh, now I do.
But the time I didn't know andI have a lot of watches, I'm
kind of watch- junkie.
I lost it, and I was lookingfor it one day to add it to a
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document or something.
No good reason, I wasn't evengoing to wear, couldn't find it.
It became clear to me that itwasn't in the house.
I still searched all over theplace, got all upset - flustered
.
It's happened over the course oflike a week or two.
On Saturday, literally thispast Saturday, stood in my
kitchen and I said," Lord,forgive me for being so upset
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about something materialistic.
Number one I'm sorry.
I think I'm deeper than this.
I'm going to let it go Ifsomebody finds it.
If I did lose it and I wasn'tsure that I lost it, but I knew
I didn't know where it was If Idid leave it somewhere I lost it
, god bless the person who foundit.
I hope it adds something totheir timepiece repertoire.
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"But, god, if you would allowme to find it, I'll be pretty
happy about that, but if not,that's OK.
So that was my surrender momentwith this watch, and I'm
talking about a pretty nicetimepiece.
Ok, I'm not.
This wasn't one of my lower endwatches.
Carri Richard (28:51):
Wasn't a Casio.
(Ebony - It was not a Casio OK).
Ebony Gilbert (28:55):
OK, so I let it go, and sometimes I do that and
then I really struggle to stilllet it go, but I really let it
go.
I ate my breakfast and wentabout my day.
My mom called me a little whilelater.
I didn't answer because Iwasn't able to do anything Fast
forward to Monday.
Monday evening I call my momand she says "hey, I called you
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on Saturday.
I found your watch, of courseshe did.
You said what she said.
Yeah, you must have left ithere two times ago that I was
home, Not even the last time Twotimes ago, which lets me know
it was missing for a lot longerthan I realized.
Didn't even miss it.
Carri Richard (29:39):
Yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (29:41):
But I had my surrender moment.
Once I let it go and Isurrendered, she literally found
it at the same time I wasstanding in my kitchen cooking
my breakfast.
Yeah, seemed small.
That's how I know that thesurrender works.
There's always a confirmationmoment.
The prayer was answered.
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The confirmation was he heardme immediately and tried to
answer immediately.
I didn't pick up the phone, Ididn't answer, but the
confirmation, when I open myeyes to it, I can see it.
It's that thing that you'vebeen praying about and somebody
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comes up to you randomly or youtalk to one of somebody you've
been talking a long time andthey say the thing that you've
been praying for, that youweren't quite sure was aligned,
and you're like, oh how didthey know.
That's when I know that thestep has aligned with my project
plan, but it's usually afterI've surrendered the project
plan.
Carri Richard (30:46):
I'm going to go so far as to say it's only after
you've surrendered.
Ebony Gilbert (30:51):
Yeah, when you let it go, all right, hands off,
I got nothing.
Do what you do God.
Carri Richard (30:58):
I have a dear friend who says hands off, pays
off.
And I like that, yeah, I'lltell you there are miracles.
That's when the miracles happen.
And surrender, it's such afunny thing, because if I'm
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surrendering with the idea of anoutcome, I'm not surrendering,
Exactly Just like you said.
Hey God, it'd be really great.
I'd be very happy if I got thisback, and if I don't, it's OK.
Ebony Gilbert (31:34):
It's OK.
Carri Richard (31:35):
And if that is truly, it's almost like we open
the floodgates and God's like"watch what I can do.
Ebony Gilbert (31:42):
I like your heart in this.
Now you're aligned with where Ineed you to be and I'm not
trying to trivialize problemsand storms and the desires of
our heart and the things thatupset us and get us all
flustered.
Mine was a watch thatparticular day.
It was a lighthearted example.
It could be anything.
It could be an ailing love one.
"God save my friend, my lovedone, but if you don't, I'll
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still love you and praise you.
It could be anything.
It's not about a watch.
It's not about whatever thingyou want to put in that moment.
It's about control.
Carri Richard (32:14):
It's about the attachment to it.
Yes, yeah, it's.
I had a friend who says youknow wear life like a loose
garment and when she first saidthat I was like, "what are you
talking about?
It's false, that is exactly,exactly, and and man this is.
There is a lot in this one.
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It's juicy, it is juicy, the,the.
Oh, I just forgot it was sojuicy.
It'll come back.
Ebony Gilbert (32:47):
This has been good.
Unscripted grace.
It has been good.
Wrap us up, Carri.
Carri Richard (32:54):
OK, all right, you know it, grace is just, it's
so vast and it's so amazing andI am just, I'm so glad that we
could come here and talk abouthurricanes and grace and
attachment.
And you know, forgiveness is inthere, it's in amongst the,
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it's in amongst the words today,and you know, if you are going
through a storm, just know that,you know grace is there for you
and my, my hope is that thiscan touch someone who is out
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there going through their ownstorm and just know that.
You know, even even the backend, there is healing, t ou just
just keep, keep walking through.
So how about you, Ebony?
Ebony Gilbert (33:58):
It's not just about us.
The storm never hits one house.
Carri Richard (34:02):
No.
Ebony Gilbert (34:03):
Storm never hits one location.
It touches down and it keepsgoing.
You may not even get hit by thestorm, you might be in outer
bands.
So just piggybacking off ofwhat you said, you're not by
yourself.
There's a God will give you anescape route if it's part of
your guided steps.
They'll tell you when thehunker down and went to evacuate
.
You'll guide the steps if youlet him.
(34:23):
So echo everything you said andthank you for your openness to
start us off with yourvulnerability.
I appreciate it.
Thank you all for listening.
And we love to hear from you.
Carri Richard (34:39):
Absolutely All right, until next time.
Yes, grace out, grace out.
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Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
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Carri Richard (00:22):
Hello, hello, my name is Carri Richard.
I'm a mindset coach and I dothat by day and also speak with
my dear friend Ebony Gilbert onmy very favorite topic.
And that is Grace.
Hello Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:39):
I'm Ebony Gilbert , as Carri stated, and I work in
the healthcare field, and todayI'm here to talk about - today,
like a lot of other days Ithink we have like 24, 25 at
this point.
We are here to talk about graceand today we don't have a
specific topic just yet.
Maybe by the time we get to theend of it we will.
Carri Richard (00:58):
Yes, (Ebony - so we're going to spitball it,
Carri).
Ebony Gilbert (01:02):
what's going on in your life?
(Carri - oh my goodness).
Carri Richard (01:06):
You know, life is .
First of all.
I'm really thankful to be here,I'm really thankful to have
this place and time, and a dearfriend to - that is asking me
what's going on in my life.
A lot is going on in my life,you know, and I get to choose.
(01:30):
I could describe to youdramatic things that are
happening that I don't care for,which I could do.
I could also celebrate a kayakthat is coming into my life so I
(01:51):
can get out on the waterbecause I'm surrounded by it.
And I could actually do alittle bit of both.
And yeah, so life is full.
The summer's ending, so it's atransition.
I do have a teenager at home,so this is a transition time.
(02:12):
The weather is cooling down.
The trees here are actuallystarting to turn a tiny bit.
Some of the trees.
Already, yeah.
So I don't know if that's theweather or just you know where
we are.
I don't know, I'm not going tofigure it out, but there is a
(02:34):
transition coming.
So, yeah, that's the beginning.
So what's going on for you,Ebony?
Ebony Gilbert (02:45):
I've been following this hurricane in the
news because I'm from Florida,originally from Fernandina Beach
, Jacksonville area.
I spent 18 years there and Ilived in Tallahassee for eight
years.
Tallahassee is getting, youknow, pounded right now.
(03:06):
So I've been following thisstorm and, being from Florida,
I've seen a lot of hurricanes, alot of hurricanes, a lot of
storms.
But you talked about theseasons changing.
I think it's bigger than justwhere you are, because the surge
they're expecting from thisstorm is not just because of the
storm.
(03:26):
It's about the environmentchanging and the seasons
changing.
It's bigger than just the stormand I'm going somewhere with
this.
So there's a supermoon happeningthis weekend.
We've had a couple here lately,but there probably won't be
another one for another 10 years, not like this.
(03:48):
So this supermoon is falling inthe same time span as this
storm.
So you're going to get a supertide and global warming, climate
change whether you agree withit or not, the ocean is
significantly warmer than it hasever been in history, recorded
history.
So these things that arehappening to the environment, it
(04:13):
literally beyond our world,beyond our planet.
The moon is impacting the stormthat we're trying to predict,
but we can't predict the directimpact of these other things
that are bigger than the stormyou follow me, (Carri - I know
where you're going.
I hear (Ebony - where I'm goingCarri?
Bring me there.
Carri Richard (04:33):
Come on.
Oh, I love that you said themoon, things outside of our
world, and it's a reminder to methat there - t here are so
many things that are intertwinedthat I can't see that when I'm
(04:55):
trying to control what's goingon.
Or I think I know the rightanswer, or I just wish it was a
little bit different, or or or Istart asking why, why is it
like this?
I am - essentially for me, I'vegot blinders on and I can't see
the super moon.
Ebony Gilbert (05:15):
Right - You're looking at your storm.
Carri Richard (05:18):
Exactly, exactly, and grace is all encompassing.
Ebony Gilbert (05:26):
Absolutely.
Oh, you went there with me,thank you.
So the storm, and you get tocategorize it.
So here's the thing about thestorm.
I'm going to keep going.
Storm, the storm is categorizedbased on wind speed.
That's what determines if it'sa CAT -one, -two, -three, -four.
(05:48):
Not the rain, not the rainfall.
The rainfall is what causes thesurge and does the damage, when
obviously is very damaging, butthe rain and the flooding is a
massive problem and it usuallycomes after the storm.
(06:12):
So, if you don't prepareproperly for the storm, during
the storm, you get in the eye ofthe storm and you think, oh,
it's better, it's better, that'sshort term.
The other side is coming andthen, even after that, when you
think it's better and resolved,that's when the levee will break
, that's when the dam gives,that's when the waters do crazy
(06:36):
things, and it comes in phases.
The seasons, within a week'speriod of time, literally three
days, will go from one thing tothe next, to the next, to the
next to the next.
And even with all of that, evenwith all those things I just
said the surge, the eye, thebefore, the after, the flooding
(06:58):
you still have to account forthere is a bigger force.
There's a moon.
There's a global change, andwhen I think about this for the
storms in our lives, we're bothgoing through our own serious
storms.
If we set the expectation thatit'll be over soon, it'll be
(07:19):
over soon, it'll be over soon.
That's good, that gives us hope, but is it realistic?
Carri Richard (07:24):
It's such a great question.
When you were talking about theeye of the storm, it's.
You know, when I have toughstuff going on, it can be very
uncomfortable, absolutelyuncomfortable.
And when there's any sense ofrelief, the knee- jerk can be,
(07:45):
"it's over - got through thatone".
And then, like you said, thebackside comes through.
(Ebony - Oh, it's coming).
Yeah, exactly, and you know,when that backside comes through
, grace is also coming with it.
(08:07):
(Ebony - Absolutely.
Sometimes I can get -- soI'm in the eye of the storm.
The sky is blue.
I've been in a couple ofhurricanes, nothing like Florida
.
But all of a sudden it's likethis calm, it's like raging, and
then all the sun, the sky opensup and that's like, "oh my gosh
(08:27):
, it's over.
And then the next, the back endor the bands or the other half
of the storm comes through andit's almost like I am standing
there putting my fists up tothat side of the storm, like
wait a second, no more.
(08:48):
(Ebony - Enough of this) Exactly, and that's when I have to
remember that there's grace inthat half too.
Ebony Gilbert (08:58):
So grace in the storm.
The eye of the storm is neverconsidered to be a good thing,
necessarily.
It's grace, though, because itgives you a break, it gives you
a regroup moment.
The other side, the weatherafter the storm, reminds you of
(09:19):
what's happening in the eye.
You get that calm, but now youhave a clear view of the
destruction that's been causedand you take that step back and
you go again oh, it's over.
Go to bed, you think it's over,and then you wake up and
there's water in your livingroom because the surge happened.
(09:43):
So you know, you said it earlieryou get a choice right.
We can look at the storm, lookat the destruction and
everything, or you can see thesprinkles of grace throughout it
.
You know, all the grace in it.
That storm today took a turnright before it went straight up
for trial trials.
(10:04):
They were expected to be a,CAT-4, like there had been so
much grace even in the middle ofthe storm, and it makes me
wonder, when we're going throughthese things, what choice are
(10:25):
we making and how we look at it?
You know.
Carri Richard (10:29):
And to your point of looking at it.
So I want to go back to whenthey categorize storms.
They categorize thesehurricanes.
It's based on the wind speed,right, but then there's this
whole other concept of the surgeand the water, which is
extremely damaging.
Wind can be damaging, butthere's this whole flooding
(10:49):
concept too.
That's not being measured.
And the question I pose is howare you measuring your storm?
How are you measuring it?
Ebony Gilbert (11:01):
Because the wind is short term.
Once the storm stops, the windstops, the surge comes
afterwards and has theimplications for far more
lengthy damaging situations.
How are you measuring yourstorm?
Carri Richard (11:19):
Exactly and I can say I have had many a storm
where I measure its category,its strength by my emotions and
my feelings and I forget thatthese storms, at least in my
life, the storms that come,there's also an immense amount
(11:42):
of healing on the other side,and I can Absolutely.
It's hard to remember that orto categorize it in that way
when I'm in the midst of it.
Ebony Gilbert (11:56):
The restoration process, the healings, the
restructuring.
This is far left field Go withyou though.
Okay, I've never been a wafflehouse fan.
I don't like the waffle house.
Carri Richard (12:07):
Sorry, waffle house.
Ebony Gilbert (12:10):
I've eaten there many, many, many times.
It's not on my favorite place,but it's open all times at night
and it's convenient.
So when they get ready toremodel a waffle house, they
don't, they tear the whole thingdown.
They literally demolish it torebuild it and that's their
(12:30):
version of remodel.
That's something to be saidabout that.
That it has to be torn downcompletely, yeah, that it's
worth more.
It's a wiser investment to teardown the broken structure and
(12:53):
they usually do it before itstarts to break down.
It's on a time cycle, it's on aseasonal thing.
It's more valuable to destroyit and rebuild it than it is to
try to patch up or fix what'sbroken.
That's the storm.
It's coming to prepare us forrestoration and if we were left
(13:16):
to our own devices, we wouldnever choose to demolish.
That just intuitively feelslike that's a lot more work,
right?
Carri Richard (13:22):
Exactly.
Can we just please just put acoat of paint on this?
Come on, (Ebony - get a bettergrease trap, you know)?
Yeah, yeah, are yousidestepping your storm?
Or trying to?
Ebony Gilbert (13:36):
Right, and the greater healing, the greater
restoration, the greater goodcomes with the destruction.
Yeah, it has to be broken, ithas to be taken down.
So, man, we're saying a lot, alot of stuff here.
There's a lot packed in here,but are you sidestepping your
storm?
The thing that allowed theopportunity for a total
(13:58):
restoration?
Yeah, I mean, I just heardmyself say that I had to ask
myself that on the inside.
Carri Richard (14:06):
(Ebony - Are you trying to sidestep your storm?
) Me too, and it's anappreciation of its curiosity,
of like, wow, what is beinghealed in this process?
Because I'm not liking it.
It doesn't.
You know, I'd rather be.
Sometimes I get in places whereit's like I'd rather be
(14:30):
somewhere else, something else,having something else, and it's
like, well, what is the purpose?
Like there is healing.
I do know on the backside ofevery storm, something has been
healed.
(Ebony - Absolutely).
Ebony Gilbert (14:45):
Absolutely, and it doesn't mean you can't board
up your windows.
It doesn't mean you can't takeshelter.
It doesn't mean you don't pray.
It doesn't mean you don't findcomfort in God.
It doesn't mean you don'tsurround yourself with the
support of things you need tomake it through.
You have to weather the storm.
You got to make it through.
Carri Richard (15:02):
Such such good.
There is a ton packed in theretoo.
It's like you can take care ofyourself through the storm.
(Ebony - You don't sit idle).
Be prepared, do not sit idle,and when the direction is to
evacuate, you don't have to doit yourself.
Right, this isn't you againstthe entire storm.
Ebony Gilbert (15:26):
That's good.
So the messaging is not oh, thestorm's coming and it's going
to keep coming.
It's going to be more stormyand more.
It's kind of level- setting theexpectation, choosing your view
and then seeing the grace in it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But don't sit idle.
Ebony Gilbert (15:45):
Yeah, Faith without works is dead right,
(Carri - absolutely, absolutely).
So I have faith and want to geton the other side of this.
I have faith that it's going tobring healing.
I have faith that there will berestoration.
It's going to hurt, there willbe damage.
I get all that, but I havefaith.
The works are what I have to dowhile I'm in it.
Carri Richard (16:11):
Absolutely, and for me it's reminding - I'm not
alone, that there is somethingbigger than me at work.
There's a moon, grace ispresent, right there's a super
moon.
Yes, there's a moon, there'stides, there's work, there's
water, there's happening.
(16:31):
Yeah, that are out of mycontrol.
Ebony Gilbert (16:34):
And unpredictable .
Yes, you don't get to be incontrol.
Carri Richard (16:42):
Very little, except my attitude.
Ebony Gilbert (16:45):
No one has ever tried to stop a hurricane.
You can't do it.
Carri Richard (16:50):
We can't build some like supersonic net right?
Ebony Gilbert (16:53):
You can't do that .
Carri Richard (16:54):
You can't do it.
And why would you?
I mean, I know the easy answeris, "well, if we did that, then
nobody'd get hurt, right?
But I have no idea why theycome.
Ebony Gilbert (17:18):
And why they come only in one season.
Yeah, why they only come in oneseason.
It's watching the news, whichis a horrible idea.
Carri Richard (17:32):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (17:34):
Bad idea.
It's watching the news Not goodbedtime viewing.
But FEMA was making a statementabout - they're running out of
money.
They literally have $3 millionin reserves a day before a
hurricane hits.
Why?
Not because they'reirresponsible and unprepared.
Well, they didn't expect Hawaiito catch on fire.
(17:55):
So they depleted a lot of theirfunds and they were concerned.
I mean, they had a famous likemaking a statement saying I
don't know if this ends up beingreally bad, I don't know what
we're going to do, and I waswatching it thinking oh man, so
in addition to a storm and asupermoon and all these things
(18:17):
are going on, the thing that werely on to help us afterwards.
it's kind of iffy and I was likeoh see, this is where you got
to have a whole lot of faith.
You got to really tap intosomething deeper.
We can't rely on the world togive us the inspiration that
(18:37):
it's going to be OK.
What happens now?
And I don't have an answer, butit definitely begs the question
that there's got to besomething bigger and deeper when
the things you rely on areknowingly not going to be there.
(19:02):
What's the thing when you areyour worst, when you are feeling
like I ain't going to make itthrough today, what's your go to
In the tangible sense in your?
I know you pray, but what'syour go to?
Carri Richard (19:19):
My go to is - I have a couple of different go
to's.
I have - that's a greatquestion.
You know, a long time ago my goto was, " God doesn't give me
anything more than I can handle,which I do believe.
(19:42):
Another go to is to get off thesubject for a minute.
Sometimes I can watch myselftrying to measure just like when
you're talking about FEMA Allthat's going on in Maui and that
the regular standard proceduresaround a hurricane are not
(20:10):
applicable to this hurricane.
It's a reminder.
I don't know how I'm going toget through the storm and I want
to look at a storm that I havegoing on right now and try to
figure out, based on the past,how this is going to go.
But that wasn't the question.
(20:33):
I kind of went off thereservation.
So what are my go?
Ebony Gilbert (20:36):
to it's okay, it's your show, oh thanks.
Carri Richard (20:41):
One of the things is to do what's in front of me,
to be honest.
Well, I think we're alwayshonest here, but I could, when
I'm in the middle of a storm andthings aren't going the way I
want them to and I am notfeeling at my best, it's to stay
(21:04):
in the middle - to just do thenext thing.
Like (Ebony - you want to hunker down?
) Yeah, it's like I could havecalled you and said you know
what?
I can't do this today.
And here we are in the veryopportunity to actually move
through part of it - just bytalking about it, just by you
(21:26):
know it's a that is my go to isto not isolate.
Ebony Gilbert (21:35):
Is that a learnedc behavior or just your
natural inclination?
Carri Richard (21:38):
No, it's a learned behavior.
That's a great question.
For me, it's a learned behavior.
Ebony Gilbert (21:47):
What was the catalyst to lead you to to learn
that?
Because, when things are bad, Idon't know if it's intuitive
for me to.
I've gotten better about it, soI ask but it's not intuitive
for me to stay.
I go out to fight or flight andI like to fly.
Carri Richard (22:06):
Yeah, that's a.
What was the catalyst?
The catalyst is about 16 or 17years ago, when literally my
whole life fell apart because Iwas trying to do it all myself
and I could not keep all theballs up in the air.
Ebony Gilbert (22:28):
Yeah, just stand still.
Carri Richard (22:32):
And like, not for me, it was not run away or just
you know, isolate, yeah.
And today I'm surrounded bypeople who do it too, who stay,
who learn how to stay.
Ebony Gilbert (22:50):
Staying power.
Carri Richard (22:51):
Absolutely.
(Ebony - Yeah, that's cool.
That's good.
) About for you.
What prompted you to learn tostay?
Ebony Gilbert (23:05):
I didn't have a choice.
I felt like I was running awayand I was coming back to the
same place.
It was like running around alabyrinth.
It was like this is just takingme deeper and deeper in.
I did better off if that stayin the outer band.
I'm running away with nodirection.
My steps aren't guided.
Yes, so if I'm going to runaway or walk away or escape or
(23:28):
find a path of whatever -evacuation, I need signs.
If you've been on these roadswhere you see evacuation route.
Carri Richard (23:38):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (23:39):
I need some guidance.
I need some steps to tell mewhere to go to evacuate.
Carri Richard (23:44):
Exactly here, when we had Isabel, which was
huge years and years ago, thehighways they installed these
big gates now.
So if we have an evacuation,not only are there signs but
they close things down and justallow the highways to go in one
direction.
(24:04):
That is very different, to yourpoint, running away, or being
guided to step back or step awayor geographically get out of
the way.
(Ebony - Correct) right.
Ebony Gilbert (24:20):
Yeah, so it was trial and error for me.
I can't just run aimlessly intothe wind.
I don't know if I'm going tohigher ground or not.
I don't know if what I'mrunning to is greater than what
I'm running from, unless mysteps are guided.
So after making that mistaketoo many times and landing in
(24:40):
the wrong place, I'm like well,this is quicksand.
I was better off in the mud.
At least I wasn't sinking.
Why is this worse?
What?
So until I know the path, Imight as well stand still.
Carri Richard (24:54):
Absolutely.
Another comfort or somethingthat helps me to stay in the
midst is for me, God is only inthe present.
My access to or connection toGod is only in the present.
So if I'm running for the hillstrying to get away from this
(25:19):
moment, I don't know that Graceis coming with me.
Ebony Gilbert (25:27):
It's not ordained .
It's not ordained, and I thinkonce I realize that at my best,
it's still pretty crappycompared to a guided step.
Like my logic and my rationaleat my best without the guidance
(25:48):
of God sucks.
Ok, it is horrible.
I'd rather hear a small voice.
It could be one step.
I have so much more confidencein that one guided step than I
do in my 18-page outline of whatneeds to happen.
Carri Richard (26:08):
Your professional project plan.
Ebony Gilbert (26:10):
And my professional project plan sucks
compared to one guided step, onesmall voice, one whisper.
Carri Richard (26:20):
Absolutely, and for me often it is just one step
.
When I'm in the midst, it's onestep.
I do one step, and when I takethat step, I get another step.
Ebony Gilbert (26:34):
You get another one.
Yeah, you get another one.
After I made that mistake a fewtimes here, I was like so
there's a method to the madness,and I should stop Be still,
Ebony Be still.
(26:57):
Be still.
In my experience, when I'mstill, it's not a matter of
being idle, it's a matter ofsurrender.
It's saying God, I don't knowwhat I'm doing, even though I
think I do.
My emotions are tricking me andif they're right, tell me,
(27:19):
because I got my plan ready.
My project plan is ready to go,but I need you to validate it.
Carri Richard (27:25):
Yes, and what does that validation look like
for you?
Ebony Gilbert (27:33):
It's confirmation .
You know I'm full of unrelatedrelated stories, so I'll tell
you this I lost a watch.
I don't know how long it wasmissing oh, now I do.
But the time I didn't know andI have a lot of watches, I'm
kind of watch- junkie.
I lost it, and I was lookingfor it one day to add it to a
(27:54):
document or something.
No good reason, I wasn't evengoing to wear, couldn't find it.
It became clear to me that itwasn't in the house.
I still searched all over theplace, got all upset - flustered
.
It's happened over the course oflike a week or two.
On Saturday, literally thispast Saturday, stood in my
kitchen and I said," Lord,forgive me for being so upset
(28:14):
about something materialistic.
Number one I'm sorry.
I think I'm deeper than this.
I'm going to let it go Ifsomebody finds it.
If I did lose it and I wasn'tsure that I lost it, but I knew
I didn't know where it was If Idid leave it somewhere I lost it
, god bless the person who foundit.
I hope it adds something totheir timepiece repertoire.
(28:36):
"But, god, if you would allowme to find it, I'll be pretty
happy about that, but if not,that's OK.
So that was my surrender momentwith this watch, and I'm
talking about a pretty nicetimepiece.
Ok, I'm not.
This wasn't one of my lower endwatches.
Carri Richard (28:51):
Wasn't a Casio.
(Ebony - It was not a Casio OK).
Ebony Gilbert (28:55):
OK, so I let it go, and sometimes I do that and
then I really struggle to stilllet it go, but I really let it
go.
I ate my breakfast and wentabout my day.
My mom called me a little whilelater.
I didn't answer because Iwasn't able to do anything Fast
forward to Monday.
Monday evening I call my momand she says "hey, I called you
(29:19):
on Saturday.
I found your watch, of courseshe did.
You said what she said.
Yeah, you must have left ithere two times ago that I was
home, Not even the last time Twotimes ago, which lets me know
it was missing for a lot longerthan I realized.
Didn't even miss it.
Carri Richard (29:39):
Yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (29:41):
But I had my surrender moment.
Once I let it go and Isurrendered, she literally found
it at the same time I wasstanding in my kitchen cooking
my breakfast.
Yeah, seemed small.
That's how I know that thesurrender works.
There's always a confirmationmoment.
The prayer was answered.
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The confirmation was he heardme immediately and tried to
answer immediately.
I didn't pick up the phone, Ididn't answer, but the
confirmation, when I open myeyes to it, I can see it.
It's that thing that you'vebeen praying about and somebody
(30:25):
comes up to you randomly or youtalk to one of somebody you've
been talking a long time andthey say the thing that you've
been praying for, that youweren't quite sure was aligned,
and you're like, oh how didthey know.
That's when I know that thestep has aligned with my project
plan, but it's usually afterI've surrendered the project
plan.
Carri Richard (30:46):
I'm going to go so far as to say it's only after
you've surrendered.
Ebony Gilbert (30:51):
Yeah, when you let it go, all right, hands off,
I got nothing.
Do what you do God.
Carri Richard (30:58):
I have a dear friend who says hands off, pays
off.
And I like that, yeah, I'lltell you there are miracles.
That's when the miracles happen.
And surrender, it's such afunny thing, because if I'm
(31:20):
surrendering with the idea of anoutcome, I'm not surrendering,
Exactly Just like you said.
Hey God, it'd be really great.
I'd be very happy if I got thisback, and if I don't, it's OK.
Ebony Gilbert (31:34):
It's OK.
Carri Richard (31:35):
And if that is truly, it's almost like we open
the floodgates and God's like"watch what I can do.
Ebony Gilbert (31:42):
I like your heart in this.
Now you're aligned with where Ineed you to be and I'm not
trying to trivialize problemsand storms and the desires of
our heart and the things thatupset us and get us all
flustered.
Mine was a watch thatparticular day.
It was a lighthearted example.
It could be anything.
It could be an ailing love one.
"God save my friend, my lovedone, but if you don't, I'll
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still love you and praise you.
It could be anything.
It's not about a watch.
It's not about whatever thingyou want to put in that moment.
It's about control.
Carri Richard (32:14):
It's about the attachment to it.
Yes, yeah, it's.
I had a friend who says youknow wear life like a loose
garment and when she first saidthat I was like, "what are you
talking about?
It's false, that is exactly,exactly, and and man this is.
There is a lot in this one.
(32:35):
It's juicy, it is juicy, the,the.
Oh, I just forgot it was sojuicy.
It'll come back.
Ebony Gilbert (32:47):
This has been good.
Unscripted grace.
It has been good.
Wrap us up, Carri.
Carri Richard (32:54):
OK, all right, you know it, grace is just, it's
so vast and it's so amazing andI am just, I'm so glad that we
could come here and talk abouthurricanes and grace and
attachment.
And you know, forgiveness is inthere, it's in amongst the,
(33:17):
it's in amongst the words today,and you know, if you are going
through a storm, just know that,you know grace is there for you
and my, my hope is that thiscan touch someone who is out
(33:38):
there going through their ownstorm and just know that.
You know, even even the backend, there is healing, t ou just
just keep, keep walking through.
So how about you, Ebony?
Ebony Gilbert (33:58):
It's not just about us.
The storm never hits one house.
Carri Richard (34:02):
No.
Ebony Gilbert (34:03):
Storm never hits one location.
It touches down and it keepsgoing.
You may not even get hit by thestorm, you might be in outer
bands.
So just piggybacking off ofwhat you said, you're not by
yourself.
There's a God will give you anescape route if it's part of
your guided steps.
They'll tell you when thehunker down and went to evacuate
.
You'll guide the steps if youlet him.
(34:23):
So echo everything you said andthank you for your openness to
start us off with yourvulnerability.
I appreciate it.
Thank you all for listening.
And we love to hear from you.
Carri Richard (34:39):
Absolutely All right, until next time.
Yes, grace out, grace out.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
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Until next time, be well, bebold, be kind to yourself and be
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on the lookout.
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