November 13, 2023 • 20 mins
Have you ever felt like life is sending you unexpected gifts and secret messages? We sure have! We're here, Carri Richard and Ebony Gilbert, to unpack a beautiful example where a seven-year-old video resurfaced with an incredibly timely message. This is a stunning illustration of the timelessness of grace. Join us as we talk about the power of Grace to perfect anything.
In our quest for understanding grace, we've discovered its incredible capacity to heal and transform lives. Much like time, grace can be immediate or stretch across an expanse, experienced in a fleeting moment or over an extended period. We dive into the power of perception and how our "grace glasses" can shape the meaning we assign to our experiences. Our ambition is to inspire you to identify and share the grace in your own life. So, buckle up and let's explore another view of grace together!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Grace Among Us, the podcast where we
unearth the many faces andplaces of grace and share
stories of the power of grace inour human lives.
Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
own life and share it withothers.
Carri Richard (00:19):
Hello, hello everybody, my name is Carri
Richard.
I'm a mindset coach.
I help high- achievers makespace and enjoy the ride.
And I am here with one of mymost favorite things to do is to
speak with my dear friend,Ebony Gilbert that is, and we
(00:42):
talk all around, all through andall about the topic of grace.
So good afternoon, Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:50):
Good afternoon, Carri.
I'm Ebony Gilbert and Carri'smy dear friend and when I'm not
trying to be a thought leader ina healthcare space, I hang out
with Carri and you guys.
So pretty excited to be heretoday, awesome.
Well, what you want to talkabout?
Carri Richard (01:07):
You know I want to broach a subject about, we
talk about grace all the timeand it doesn't really play by
human rules and one of human'srules, or human constructs, is
(01:28):
time.
So you know, I had anexperience this last week.
I am cleaning things up and Icame across a video from seven
years ago when I began thisjourney and I don't know, it was
(01:50):
made as an exercise seven yearsago.
And as I watched this thing andI listened to the topic it was
about, moving through atransition and as I heard it, it
(02:12):
was like I had recorded itseven years ago for me to hear
it now and I took that as Gracebecause I watched myself say,
hey, this is what I would tellsomebody do this, go, do this,
be free, do this.
And it was like I, I needed tohear that.
(02:34):
So I consider that Grace.
I really I have this image ofgrace, that it kind of it, you
know, because I'm going tohumanize it right now it like
waits in the shadows with likeall these gifts in its pocket
and it's like, oh, the gracecollects all these things and
says, oh, wait till you see whatI do with this and when I can
(02:59):
open that idea up, that.
Time and location are reallyirrelevant, and what we think is
big and small and medium, likegrace, does not play by those
rules.
Ebony Gilbert (03:14):
So full circle moment.
Carri Richard (03:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (03:19):
Seven, no coincidence, right Seven years.
Yes, exactly.
Carri Richard (03:29):
So what do you think about that?
Ebony Gilbert (03:34):
What was the advice?
The advice Can you share?
Carri Richard (03:39):
Yeah, it was.
I've gone through a lifetransition as far as I've had, I
don't know, I don't want to gettoo deep into it but I'm happy
to.
Ebony Gilbert (03:50):
What did it remind you of in the moment that
you needed to hear and bereminded of, because you clearly
knew it seven years ago.
Carri Richard (03:58):
It reminded me that it always begins within,
like if I'm searching forhappiness, , if I'm searching
for peace, if I'm searching forsolution outside myself, waiting
for something to come to me,like, go, be that thing, go, do
(04:21):
that thing, go, do what you love, go.
You know, it's kind of like thebottom line is, if you want a
friend, be a friend, right.
If you want this in your life,go be that.
And it just it just reminded me.
That's exactly, that's it.
Ebony Gilbert (04:39):
I like it.
Carri Richard (04:40):
I like it too.
Ebony Gilbert (04:42):
So I have two unrelated thoughts but some kind
of way they're tying togetherin my head.
Can I share them with you?
Carri Richard (04:48):
Yes, please.
Ebony Gilbert (04:49):
So this "go, find it the reminders you had.
So during the past seven yearsyou've had the opportunity to
exercise your faith.
Carri Richard (04:57):
Yes, yes.
Ebony Gilbert (05:01):
And not just your faith in God, but your faith in
yourself Because, like you said, the it's in you, it's in you.
It's still small voice in youthat knows Go get it, make it
happen.
That was my first thought.
My second thought was I can'tremember exactly what you said.
You said something to theeffect If you want friends to be
(05:24):
friendly.
Did you say that?
Did I make that up?
Carri Richard (05:25):
up.
If you want a friend, be afriend.
Ebony Gilbert (05:27):
Okay, I thought I heard you say that.
I've heard people say a lotmore than usual in the last
couple of weeks, probablybecause of all the stuff going
on in the world that hurt people, hurt people.
(Carri -Yes, yes), and I havefelt very unsettled about that
statement, even though I'veheard it before, because, along
(05:49):
the lines of, if you wantfriends, be friendly if you, if
you've been hurt, it seems likeyou want to operate in a space
to not hurt.
So when I think about grace andit doesn't operate in a linear
time, fashion, for some reason,that phrase came to mind that I
keep hearing that hurt people,hurt people, and I think that
(06:14):
hurt people can be part of thehealing and the way I'm tying
this together in my head.
I know it's all over the placewith the timeline and no
timeline and the way grace fits.
When you put grace on top ofanything, it can be perfected.
Carri Richard (06:30):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (06:32):
So if it needs to be the inverse in the case of
hurt people, hurt people we needthe inverse.
We need hurt people to heal.
It can do that.
I t's the same friend, befriendly, grace can do that.
Grace can make right, whateverit is, and it doesn't have to
happen overnight.
Carri Richard (06:51):
And I think a lot of times it doesn't happen
overnight and we are in such atime where everything is at the
speed of light and it's like ifI don't see the result
immediately, something's wrong.
And and grace is like hold up,Hold up, Stay the course, you
(07:14):
know, one foot in front of theother.
And to your point.
I know that statement hurtpeople, hurt people and I would
extend that statement hurtpeople hurt people when they
it's like they know not whatthey do.
And when you lay grace on topof that, like when grace comes
(07:39):
in, that's when it there's anability to heal, that's when
sometimes people becomeconscious of (Ebony - open my
eyes) of.
I don't want to perpetuate this.
Yes, I'm hurting and I want tostop the cycle, but that, in my
(08:02):
experience, only happens withgrace.
Ebony Gilbert (08:09):
It's no regard for time.
And that doesn't just mean thatit will take a long time.
That means it can happen in thestep of a finger.
It can happen in the blink ofan eye.
Carri Richard (08:19):
And what if it doesn't?
What's the next step?
Ebony Gilbert (08:24):
What do you get to exercise during that hallway
period?
Carri Richard (08:27):
That's the one.
Yeah, it's that fate.
Grace doesn't operate on mytime, because if Grace operated
on my time, you know I'd bedoing whatever I wanted,
whenever I wanted and everything.
Just it's not how it works.
Ebony Gilbert (08:50):
It'd be an incomplete equation.
You don't know all thevariables.
(Carri - That's fair, yeahthat's very fair, yeah), your
time can't take intoconsideration all the things
that go into this situation.
You don't know what's going tohappen tomorrow.
You don't know.
I imagine that you and I,possibly together or separately,
(09:14):
will take a look back at somepoint in the future to our first
podcast and we will listen tosome of the things we said and
we'll be reminded of the thingsthat were going on in that
moment that still apply today,and we'll be able to see how
(09:35):
Grace has shown up all along theway, somewhat of the experience
you had and we'll hear exactlywhat we need to hear.
That happens to me now Everynow and then I'll go back and
listen.
I'm like, oh, that was good,Carri, that was good.
I needed to hear that today.
And, the interesting thing, Iwas watching something on TV.
(09:56):
I watch a lot of stuff on TVhaving to do with space and they
define distance as time.
They call it light years and ayear in my mind is time.
Light years is distance and Istarted thinking about the
similarities between time anddistance and how, what can seem
(10:21):
literally a world away, you canstill get a bird's eye view of
it.
With the right telescope, withthe right lens, you can still
see it and I feel like Gracegives us the lens not to see the
(10:42):
clear picture of exactly whatit is years away or whatever
time and distance thing away,but it gives us the ability to
see it.
It gives us the ability to seehow things are working.
Carri Richard (10:55):
Yes, yes, does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense.
It absolutely makes sense.
I love the whole time space,all that I say often, time and
location are irrelevant.
(Ebony - I've heard you saythat), yeah, and I just saw
something on NOVA about ourbrains, like how our brains work
(11:18):
, and they were showing that weonly see whatever you're look
around right now, whateveryou're seeing, you're truly only
seeing 1% of that view throughyour retina and everything else
(11:39):
gets filled in.
Yes, so our perception is sopowerful and if we put our Grace
glasses on, if our perceptionis driven by faith, we literally
(11:59):
see the world differently.
Ebony Gilbert (12:02):
We get to assign meaning to what we're
experiencing.
Carri Richard (12:05):
Yes, yes.
Ebony Gilbert (12:09):
What a gift, what a gift.
Carri Richard (12:14):
Absolutely, (Ebony - that's good).
So I want to go back real quickto - You said you talked about
laying something on top.
When you lay Grace on top ofsomething, how it's perfected.
(12:35):
So do you have an example ofthat?
Ebony Gilbert (12:50):
It just makes things right, you know, and
perfected sounds almostcatchphrase cliche-ish.
I'm not talking aboutperfection, but it makes it
right.
You know, if you ever likegrappled with a situation that
just felt wrong, you were wrong,the situation was wrong, you
(13:13):
know, and then you, I've hadthis feeling where I felt like I
was wrong.
I recently had an encounterwith some leaders where I had
done everything I was told to doand I'm not used to getting in
trouble, you know, it upsets me.
The other thing I was supposedto do said all the things I was
supposed to say just been goingon for months and I got reemed
(13:38):
out because the people, theperson who was speaking with me,
couldn't remember any of it.
Had to take a deep breath, takea step back, come back the next
day and say, well, this is whatGrace did.
when I layered Grace on thatsituation.
(14:00):
Without Grace, I'm angry, I'mpissed, I'm offended.
How dare you?
All those things.
With Grace?
Grace for the person, this isnot your character.
So something else is going on.
I know you better than this.
I can see past this moment.
With Grace, I can give myselfsome grace, you know, and not
(14:26):
beat myself up for messing upbecause Grace says this isn't
who you are.
Somewhere a mistake was made,but this isn't who you are
Without Grace.
You really jacked this up.
This is an expensive mistake.
Or, without Grace, defensivefight back.
Carri Richard (14:45):
Exactly, and that's kerosene on on the fire.
Ebony Gilbert (14:49):
Yeah, Throw a few on the fire and get back with
it.
With Grace, this persondeserves to be heard and this is
a good person who can hear me.
This isn't who we are.
With Grace, This is who I am.
I didn't do this intentionally.
There was no bad feelings, badintentions.
With Grace, we probably can getto even better product, because
(15:12):
now we're both fully engagedand intentional about how we
communicate with one another.
So, going forward, we knowwe're not going to do this again
because now we have a differentlevel of intentionality.
So Grace didn't perfect it,like I said the first time, but
it made a bad situation anopportunity.
Carri Richard (15:32):
I love that and in that, it is perfected, right?
It could have gone down thisroad and who's served by that?
Exactly where people areseparated and there's, you know,
in, there's just fight and theanger stays and blah, blah, blah
.
But it's perfected and there'ssolution.
What I heard like one of theone of the greatest tools I have
(15:58):
to open the door to grace, iscuriosity.
Just like you said, wow, thisisn't, this isn't their every
day, like I wonder what, Iwonder what's going on?
What's going on?
Ebony Gilbert (16:12):
What happened?
Yeah, what happened.
Carri Richard (16:17):
And with with ourselves too.
Yeah, that's a great example.
Ebony Gilbert (16:24):
That's a this week example that was fresh on
my mind, but I don't know.
Grace allows us to come intothis zoom meeting and talk about
things that may not even be,that we may not even be fully
convinced of in the moment,because life is lifey and by the
(16:46):
time we meet at four o'clock orfive o'clock or whatever time
it is, the whole day hashappened.
Carri Richard (16:50):
Yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (16:52):
So grace perfects the conversation from a very
genuine, authentic perspectivethat we may have not been able
to tap into outside of thissegment.
Carri Richard (17:02):
Exactly, grace is just walking along putting
things in its pocket right.
Oh wait till I see what I bringout here.
Ebony Gilbert (17:10):
Because how often do we walk into this and we go
- I don't have it today, butI'm going to reach down deep to
see what comes up.
And then there's a little cubbyhole somewhere in your heart
that says hey.
Carri Richard (17:22):
That's the truth.
Ebony Gilbert (17:23):
You do have it, yeah, so it perfects not that
it's perfect, but it makes right, you know moments and
situations and createsopportunities that otherwise
wouldn't exist without theability to see it through the
lens of grace.
Absolutely, and I'm so thankfulfor that.
Thank God for grace.
Carri Richard (17:42):
Amen, amen yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (17:48):
And I want to go back and see something I said
seven years ago.
Carri Richard (17:52):
I'll tell you, I'll send you the video.
It's funny.
Let me see it it was like, Imean, it was emotional.
It was like you blah, blah,blah and it was like I was
talking to myself.
I needed to hear that sevenyears later.
Ebony Gilbert (18:08):
Do you journal?
Carri Richard (18:10):
I journal.
I do, Ebony.
I have been journaling everyday for 17 years and you know
how it starts.
"Dear God, good morning.
Ebony Gilbert (18:28):
Have you gone back and read some of those?
Carri Richard (18:33):
No, they're gone.
I don't save them.
Yeah, five thousand letterslater.
(Ebony - How about that)?
Ebony Gilbert (18:45):
Yeah, how about that?
So grace doesn't really careabout our human timing, but it's
always on time.
That's the beauty of it.
Carri Richard (18:59):
It's never late.
That is exactly a fairstatement Never late.
True, yeah, never late, neverlacking, always.
It's always about solution,because it's rooted in love.
Ebony Gilbert (19:16):
Always sufficient Something right there to be
thankful for.
Carri Richard (19:23):
Absolutely.
This was good.
Ebony Gilbert (19:29):
You think so?
(Carri - I do) Okay.
Carri Richard (19:35):
Yes, alright, anything else?
Ebony Gilbert (19:42):
Grace out Grace out.
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Until next time, be well, bebold, be kind to yourself and be
(20:08):
on the lookout.
Welcome to Grace Among Us, the podcast where we
unearth the many faces andplaces of grace and share
stories of the power of grace inour human lives.
Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
own life and share it withothers.
Carri Richard (00:19):
Hello, hello everybody, my name is Carri
Richard.
I'm a mindset coach.
I help high- achievers makespace and enjoy the ride.
And I am here with one of mymost favorite things to do is to
speak with my dear friend,Ebony Gilbert that is, and we
(00:42):
talk all around, all through andall about the topic of grace.
So good afternoon, Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:50):
Good afternoon, Carri.
I'm Ebony Gilbert and Carri'smy dear friend and when I'm not
trying to be a thought leader ina healthcare space, I hang out
with Carri and you guys.
So pretty excited to be heretoday, awesome.
Well, what you want to talkabout?
Carri Richard (01:07):
You know I want to broach a subject about, we
talk about grace all the timeand it doesn't really play by
human rules and one of human'srules, or human constructs, is
(01:28):
time.
So you know, I had anexperience this last week.
I am cleaning things up and Icame across a video from seven
years ago when I began thisjourney and I don't know, it was
(01:50):
made as an exercise seven yearsago.
And as I watched this thing andI listened to the topic it was
about, moving through atransition and as I heard it, it
(02:12):
was like I had recorded itseven years ago for me to hear
it now and I took that as Gracebecause I watched myself say,
hey, this is what I would tellsomebody do this, go, do this,
be free, do this.
And it was like I, I needed tohear that.
(02:34):
So I consider that Grace.
I really I have this image ofgrace, that it kind of it, you
know, because I'm going tohumanize it right now it like
waits in the shadows with likeall these gifts in its pocket
and it's like, oh, the gracecollects all these things and
says, oh, wait till you see whatI do with this and when I can
(02:59):
open that idea up, that.
Time and location are reallyirrelevant, and what we think is
big and small and medium, likegrace, does not play by those
rules.
Ebony Gilbert (03:14):
So full circle moment.
Carri Richard (03:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (03:19):
Seven, no coincidence, right Seven years.
Yes, exactly.
Carri Richard (03:29):
So what do you think about that?
Ebony Gilbert (03:34):
What was the advice?
The advice Can you share?
Carri Richard (03:39):
Yeah, it was.
I've gone through a lifetransition as far as I've had, I
don't know, I don't want to gettoo deep into it but I'm happy
to.
Ebony Gilbert (03:50):
What did it remind you of in the moment that
you needed to hear and bereminded of, because you clearly
knew it seven years ago.
Carri Richard (03:58):
It reminded me that it always begins within,
like if I'm searching forhappiness, , if I'm searching
for peace, if I'm searching forsolution outside myself, waiting
for something to come to me,like, go, be that thing, go, do
(04:21):
that thing, go, do what you love, go.
You know, it's kind of like thebottom line is, if you want a
friend, be a friend, right.
If you want this in your life,go be that.
And it just it just reminded me.
That's exactly, that's it.
Ebony Gilbert (04:39):
I like it.
Carri Richard (04:40):
I like it too.
Ebony Gilbert (04:42):
So I have two unrelated thoughts but some kind
of way they're tying togetherin my head.
Can I share them with you?
Carri Richard (04:48):
Yes, please.
Ebony Gilbert (04:49):
So this "go, find it the reminders you had.
So during the past seven yearsyou've had the opportunity to
exercise your faith.
Carri Richard (04:57):
Yes, yes.
Ebony Gilbert (05:01):
And not just your faith in God, but your faith in
yourself Because, like you said, the it's in you, it's in you.
It's still small voice in youthat knows Go get it, make it
happen.
That was my first thought.
My second thought was I can'tremember exactly what you said.
You said something to theeffect If you want friends to be
(05:24):
friendly.
Did you say that?
Did I make that up?
Carri Richard (05:25):
up.
If you want a friend, be afriend.
Ebony Gilbert (05:27):
Okay, I thought I heard you say that.
I've heard people say a lotmore than usual in the last
couple of weeks, probablybecause of all the stuff going
on in the world that hurt people, hurt people.
(Carri -Yes, yes), and I havefelt very unsettled about that
statement, even though I'veheard it before, because, along
(05:49):
the lines of, if you wantfriends, be friendly if you, if
you've been hurt, it seems likeyou want to operate in a space
to not hurt.
So when I think about grace andit doesn't operate in a linear
time, fashion, for some reason,that phrase came to mind that I
keep hearing that hurt people,hurt people, and I think that
(06:14):
hurt people can be part of thehealing and the way I'm tying
this together in my head.
I know it's all over the placewith the timeline and no
timeline and the way grace fits.
When you put grace on top ofanything, it can be perfected.
Carri Richard (06:30):
Yes.
Ebony Gilbert (06:32):
So if it needs to be the inverse in the case of
hurt people, hurt people we needthe inverse.
We need hurt people to heal.
It can do that.
I t's the same friend, befriendly, grace can do that.
Grace can make right, whateverit is, and it doesn't have to
happen overnight.
Carri Richard (06:51):
And I think a lot of times it doesn't happen
overnight and we are in such atime where everything is at the
speed of light and it's like ifI don't see the result
immediately, something's wrong.
And and grace is like hold up,Hold up, Stay the course, you
(07:14):
know, one foot in front of theother.
And to your point.
I know that statement hurtpeople, hurt people and I would
extend that statement hurtpeople hurt people when they
it's like they know not whatthey do.
And when you lay grace on topof that, like when grace comes
(07:39):
in, that's when it there's anability to heal, that's when
sometimes people becomeconscious of (Ebony - open my
eyes) of.
I don't want to perpetuate this.
Yes, I'm hurting and I want tostop the cycle, but that, in my
(08:02):
experience, only happens withgrace.
Ebony Gilbert (08:09):
It's no regard for time.
And that doesn't just mean thatit will take a long time.
That means it can happen in thestep of a finger.
It can happen in the blink ofan eye.
Carri Richard (08:19):
And what if it doesn't?
What's the next step?
Ebony Gilbert (08:24):
What do you get to exercise during that hallway
period?
Carri Richard (08:27):
That's the one.
Yeah, it's that fate.
Grace doesn't operate on mytime, because if Grace operated
on my time, you know I'd bedoing whatever I wanted,
whenever I wanted and everything.
Just it's not how it works.
Ebony Gilbert (08:50):
It'd be an incomplete equation.
You don't know all thevariables.
(Carri - That's fair, yeahthat's very fair, yeah), your
time can't take intoconsideration all the things
that go into this situation.
You don't know what's going tohappen tomorrow.
You don't know.
I imagine that you and I,possibly together or separately,
(09:14):
will take a look back at somepoint in the future to our first
podcast and we will listen tosome of the things we said and
we'll be reminded of the thingsthat were going on in that
moment that still apply today,and we'll be able to see how
(09:35):
Grace has shown up all along theway, somewhat of the experience
you had and we'll hear exactlywhat we need to hear.
That happens to me now Everynow and then I'll go back and
listen.
I'm like, oh, that was good,Carri, that was good.
I needed to hear that today.
And, the interesting thing, Iwas watching something on TV.
(09:56):
I watch a lot of stuff on TVhaving to do with space and they
define distance as time.
They call it light years and ayear in my mind is time.
Light years is distance and Istarted thinking about the
similarities between time anddistance and how, what can seem
(10:21):
literally a world away, you canstill get a bird's eye view of
it.
With the right telescope, withthe right lens, you can still
see it and I feel like Gracegives us the lens not to see the
(10:42):
clear picture of exactly whatit is years away or whatever
time and distance thing away,but it gives us the ability to
see it.
It gives us the ability to seehow things are working.
Carri Richard (10:55):
Yes, yes, does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense.
It absolutely makes sense.
I love the whole time space,all that I say often, time and
location are irrelevant.
(Ebony - I've heard you saythat), yeah, and I just saw
something on NOVA about ourbrains, like how our brains work
(11:18):
, and they were showing that weonly see whatever you're look
around right now, whateveryou're seeing, you're truly only
seeing 1% of that view throughyour retina and everything else
(11:39):
gets filled in.
Yes, so our perception is sopowerful and if we put our Grace
glasses on, if our perceptionis driven by faith, we literally
(11:59):
see the world differently.
Ebony Gilbert (12:02):
We get to assign meaning to what we're
experiencing.
Carri Richard (12:05):
Yes, yes.
Ebony Gilbert (12:09):
What a gift, what a gift.
Carri Richard (12:14):
Absolutely, (Ebony - that's good).
So I want to go back real quickto - You said you talked about
laying something on top.
When you lay Grace on top ofsomething, how it's perfected.
(12:35):
So do you have an example ofthat?
Ebony Gilbert (12:50):
It just makes things right, you know, and
perfected sounds almostcatchphrase cliche-ish.
I'm not talking aboutperfection, but it makes it
right.
You know, if you ever likegrappled with a situation that
just felt wrong, you were wrong,the situation was wrong, you
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know, and then you, I've hadthis feeling where I felt like I
was wrong.
I recently had an encounterwith some leaders where I had
done everything I was told to doand I'm not used to getting in
trouble, you know, it upsets me.
The other thing I was supposedto do said all the things I was
supposed to say just been goingon for months and I got reemed
(13:38):
out because the people, theperson who was speaking with me,
couldn't remember any of it.
Had to take a deep breath, takea step back, come back the next
day and say, well, this is whatGrace did.
when I layered Grace on thatsituation.
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Without Grace, I'm angry, I'mpissed, I'm offended.
How dare you?
All those things.
With Grace?
Grace for the person, this isnot your character.
So something else is going on.
I know you better than this.
I can see past this moment.
With Grace, I can give myselfsome grace, you know, and not
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beat myself up for messing upbecause Grace says this isn't
who you are.
Somewhere a mistake was made,but this isn't who you are
Without Grace.
You really jacked this up.
This is an expensive mistake.
Or, without Grace, defensivefight back.
Carri Richard (14:45):
Exactly, and that's kerosene on on the fire.
Ebony Gilbert (14:49):
Yeah, Throw a few on the fire and get back with
it.
With Grace, this persondeserves to be heard and this is
a good person who can hear me.
This isn't who we are.
With Grace, This is who I am.
I didn't do this intentionally.
There was no bad feelings, badintentions.
With Grace, we probably can getto even better product, because
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now we're both fully engagedand intentional about how we
communicate with one another.
So, going forward, we knowwe're not going to do this again
because now we have a differentlevel of intentionality.
So Grace didn't perfect it,like I said the first time, but
it made a bad situation anopportunity.
Carri Richard (15:32):
I love that and in that, it is perfected, right?
It could have gone down thisroad and who's served by that?
Exactly where people areseparated and there's, you know,
in, there's just fight and theanger stays and blah, blah, blah
.
But it's perfected and there'ssolution.
What I heard like one of theone of the greatest tools I have
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to open the door to grace, iscuriosity.
Just like you said, wow, thisisn't, this isn't their every
day, like I wonder what, Iwonder what's going on?
What's going on?
Ebony Gilbert (16:12):
What happened?
Yeah, what happened.
Carri Richard (16:17):
And with with ourselves too.
Yeah, that's a great example.
Ebony Gilbert (16:24):
That's a this week example that was fresh on
my mind, but I don't know.
Grace allows us to come intothis zoom meeting and talk about
things that may not even be,that we may not even be fully
convinced of in the moment,because life is lifey and by the
(16:46):
time we meet at four o'clock orfive o'clock or whatever time
it is, the whole day hashappened.
Carri Richard (16:50):
Yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (16:52):
So grace perfects the conversation from a very
genuine, authentic perspectivethat we may have not been able
to tap into outside of thissegment.
Carri Richard (17:02):
Exactly, grace is just walking along putting
things in its pocket right.
Oh wait till I see what I bringout here.
Ebony Gilbert (17:10):
Because how often do we walk into this and we go
- I don't have it today, butI'm going to reach down deep to
see what comes up.
And then there's a little cubbyhole somewhere in your heart
that says hey.
Carri Richard (17:22):
That's the truth.
Ebony Gilbert (17:23):
You do have it, yeah, so it perfects not that
it's perfect, but it makes right, you know moments and
situations and createsopportunities that otherwise
wouldn't exist without theability to see it through the
lens of grace.
Absolutely, and I'm so thankfulfor that.
Thank God for grace.
Carri Richard (17:42):
Amen, amen yeah.
Ebony Gilbert (17:48):
And I want to go back and see something I said
seven years ago.
Carri Richard (17:52):
I'll tell you, I'll send you the video.
It's funny.
Let me see it it was like, Imean, it was emotional.
It was like you blah, blah,blah and it was like I was
talking to myself.
I needed to hear that sevenyears later.
Ebony Gilbert (18:08):
Do you journal?
Carri Richard (18:10):
I journal.
I do, Ebony.
I have been journaling everyday for 17 years and you know
how it starts.
"Dear God, good morning.
Ebony Gilbert (18:28):
Have you gone back and read some of those?
Carri Richard (18:33):
No, they're gone.
I don't save them.
Yeah, five thousand letterslater.
(Ebony - How about that)?
Ebony Gilbert (18:45):
Yeah, how about that?
So grace doesn't really careabout our human timing, but it's
always on time.
That's the beauty of it.
Carri Richard (18:59):
It's never late.
That is exactly a fairstatement Never late.
True, yeah, never late, neverlacking, always.
It's always about solution,because it's rooted in love.
Ebony Gilbert (19:16):
Always sufficient Something right there to be
thankful for.
Carri Richard (19:23):
Absolutely.
This was good.
Ebony Gilbert (19:29):
You think so?
(Carri - I do) Okay.
Carri Richard (19:35):
Yes, alright, anything else?
Ebony Gilbert (19:42):
Grace out Grace out.
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