March 21, 2024 • 21 mins
Have you ever found yourself tensing up as the sound of a child's wail pierces through the cabin of an airplane? Whether you fly or not, you'll relate to the experiences of my co-host Ebony C. Gilbert (and myself) when trapped in a flying metal tube with restless little ones. Come join us to unpack how Grace saves us when life is lifey and people are being a bother.
We'll talk about how any situation can be shifted as well as two important questions:
"Where am I focusing?"
"What can I do with what I've been given in this moment?"
Come laugh and lighten up and we'd love to hear about your version of "Airplane Grace"
Ref: Lamentations 3:21-25
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Grace Among Us, the podcast where we
unearth the many faces andplaces of grace and share
stories of the power of grace inour human lives.
Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
own life and share it withothers.
Carri Richard (00:22):
Hello, hello Ebony and hello everybody.
My name is Carri Richard.
I am a mindset coach who helpspeople make space and enjoy the
ride, and I am here with my dearfriend Ebony C Gilbert.
Hello Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:40):
Hello Carri, how are you today?
(Carri - I'm fabulous).
Carri Richard (00:44):
How are you doing ?
(Ebony - I'm pretty good, good,good).
All right, you want to getright to it?
Ebony Gilbert (00:53):
Let's do it.
Carri Richard (00:54):
Okay, Airplane Grace, tell me about it.
(Ebony - Airplane grace).
Ebony Gilbert (01:01):
I'm sure many of us have experienced this, but
I've been traveling a lot in thelast few months.
At least two or three times amonth I'm on an airplane and it
doesn't matter if it's a 5 amflight, a red eye, middle of the
day.
I seem to be seated regardlessof the ticket purchase.
(01:24):
It could be coach, it could bemain plus, it doesn't matter.
I seem to always get seatedconsistently next to a family
with small children who are notvery excited about the flight
and they express theirdiscontent with said flight
(01:47):
vocally, loudly, for two tothree hours and then they become
physically active and assaultthe seat in front of them,
usually the seat I'm sitting in.
And a couple of disclaimersbefore I go on.
I love children, all children.
(02:08):
I think they're little angels.
I have a deep respect forparents who travel with their
children when they're very smalland unpredictable.
I want to get that out of theway.
Love kids, love parents.
This is not a promotion for(Carri - adult only flights?
).
Yeah, that's not this.
(02:29):
I would buy that flight, butthat's not what this is.
(Carri - However.
) However, there is somethingthat happens inside of me, and
it comes in stages.
It usually starts with before Ieven get on the plane, and I'm
(02:50):
just in the seating area and I'mthinking, sweet Jesus, please
don't let them be sitting nextto me.
The anxiety starts to ramp up.
"Oh God, no, no, no.
Then it goes to , "Benadrylthey have or melatonin or
something.
And then I feel guilty for thatthought and I stop it.
(03:10):
I get on the plane.
It happens.
The event.
The child who's not happy sitsdirectly behind me.
And the parent proceeds to havean immediate nap, while this
kid is very unhappy.
And then my mind goes to, "it'snot that long, it's not that
(03:30):
long, I'll fall asleep.
I'll put my headphones on, thiswill be okay.
And I get to this acceptancepoint.
You know, now I'm acceptingthat this is what's happening
and it's going to be okay.
And then I get to the place ofrage quickly, because somewhere
between acceptance and fiveminutes later, it's unbearable.
And now I'm feeding off theenergy around me because
(03:54):
everyone now is trying to makeawkward eye contact with someone
else who can validate the factthat we are all miserable.
Carri Richard (04:02):
Because that helps.
Ebony Gilbert (04:05):
And it doesn't, because I was in acceptance.
And now I'm looking aroundhesitantly and there's always
some guy across the aisle who'slike (Carri - in nonacceptance?
) "Are you hearing this?
And now I feel compelled tomake him feel better by
validating his feelings andgoing (Carri - let me come to
(04:28):
where you are).
I'm there with you, buddy, I'mthere with you.
So, I had to stop.
It happened on the way backfrom Europe.
It happened on the way to NewYork, it happened on the way to
Miami.
It's happened so many times andI had this thought,
"What would airplane grace looklike?
(04:49):
What would it look like to walkinto this situation, knowing
the possibilities, and preparemyself for the short-term event
that's going to test my patience?
I can choose to walk into thiswith a mindset that overcomes
(05:10):
and overpowers my immediateenvironment, or I can walk into
this and look for other peopleto join on the bandwagon with me
, for my validating partnersacross the aisle, and be angry
the whole time and look at theflight attendant like she's not
doing her job.
He or she isn't doing their job, because surely you hear this
too, and why aren't you stoppingit?
(05:31):
As if they're able to stop it.
Airplane grace, for thisspecific example, is about the
experiences I've had onairplanes, but it's bigger than
that.
I think it's about the thingsthat are out of our control.
You know, based on experienceand history, that it's going to
make you feel some kind of way.
(05:51):
It's going to be triggering.
It's not only going to triggeryou.
It's going to trigger a lot ofpeople.
How can I personify,demonstrate airplane grace in a
way that does not jump on thebandwagon, possibly eases and
(06:13):
changes the atmosphere for thischild and this mother?
That's real pie in the sky.
But at least gives me somepeace During this unavoidable no
escape situation.
And I don't have an answer forthat.
But that's where my thoughtshave been on the heels of flying
(06:33):
as recently as Friday.
Carri Richard (06:39):
I love that.
Ebony Gilbert (06:40):
That's where my thoughts has been.
What are your thoughts?
Carri Richard (06:42):
I love that.
I have lots of them.
I spent my first career onplanes all over the world and I
do get that.
I do get the annoyance of myspace being infiltrated by
(07:10):
something that I have no desireto have in my space.
(Ebony - and I have no control).
Well, that's the and right.
I have no control over it.
However, I do have choice ofhow I approach it, and I think
(07:31):
you beautifully painted thepicture of I can jump on the
bandwagon of oh my God, is thisbothering you too?
This sucks! Which, for a briefmoment, (Ebony - feels good),
maybe exactly Instantgratification.
Oh my God, I'm not the only one.
Let's all get together andwe're good, they're bad.
(07:54):
Let's be black and white, let'sbe in the world, because that's
how, as me, as a human, all bymyself, without grace, without
God, that is how I operate.
Ebony Gilbert (08:09):
It's a very human response (Carri - Absolutely).
Carri Richard (08:12):
Somebody's good, somebody's bad, something's
right, something's wrong.
I'm uncomfortable.
Thus, it is your fault, it'syour fault, it's the kid's fault
.
It's the parent's fault, who'snapping.
It's the flight attendant'sfault.
Ebony Gilbert (08:28):
For not stopping it.
Carri Richard (08:29):
Stopping the unstoppable, and it's that.
I love as you were talkingabout, what does grace, airplane
grace look like?
It's that - that's that turningpoint.
And the turning point iscuriosity.
Instead of "why won't this stopor what can I do to make it
(08:59):
stop, it's like, well, what canI do with what I've been given
in this moment, my daily bread?
In this moment.
By myself, I'm going toprobably make a little bit of a
(09:20):
mess of it.
Kid's kicking my seat, I'mgoing to slam myself back in the
seat, I'm going to look overwith, you know, whatever.
But inviting grace in, invitingGod in, it's like, "okay, this
(09:40):
isn't forever, I'm not trappedhere, it's just temporary.
Ebony Gilbert (09:45):
Yeah, Just temporary.
And the irony I had to havethis moment in my lyft ride
where I specifically requestedno radio and no talking because
I just needed a minute.
But I had this moment ofreflection.
I'm complaining because Iendured two hours of an
(10:11):
uncomfortable child,uncomfortable flight on the way
back from Europe.
What a first world problem.
And then I felt convicted, likeman.
I'm choosing to place my focuson this minor inconvenience,
which still did not impact thefact that I arrived safely, as
(10:32):
promised.
But I'm focused on this minorinconvenience on the heels of an
amazing experience that wassuch a blessing.
And instead of me using thetime to reflect on the amazing
experience and the blessing oftravel and exposure and
friendship and love around theworld, I'm focused on this
(10:56):
particular situation.
And then it hit me man, wheream I focusing?
And this was after the fact I'mstill not clear on what airplane
grace looks like on the plane.
But after the fact, I was ableto have this moment and I, yeah,
I was in the lift ride and Ithought airplane grace.
Airplane grace never reallydeveloped the thought, didn't
(11:17):
know where we were going to gowith it.
But this is bigger than theairplane.
This is really about how lifebrings things your way.
They're triggering, you knowit's coming and you, you feel
out of control, like you have nocontrol and you want everybody
to be the bad guy, becauseyou're the good guy and I don't
deserve this.
This is unfair, and why am Iexperiencing this?
Carri Richard (11:41):
I also have had the feeling like what did I do
wrong?
Got me in this place, andthat's exactly.
And that's that idea that youknow, god punishes and I that's,
that's my own story, right.
Ebony Gilbert (12:01):
It's crazy the things your mind will do to you
in that moment.
Carri Richard (12:05):
Yeah, so where's the peace that surpasses all
understanding there?
Ebony Gilbert (12:11):
I don't know, because I don't understand it.
I don't know why it's soinfuriating.
I have no idea.
Carri Richard (12:19):
I think, yeah, it's, it's what I.
Yeah, I don't know why either.
I don't know why.
What I do know is, the more Ipush against it, the less I'm
going to ever know why or orshift anything.
You know, as you're speaking, Iwant to - Can I read something?
(12:44):
(Ebony - please) So you'regoing to yell it.
Ebony Gilbert (12:47):
No, it's your voice.
Carri Richard (12:49):
No, it's Lamentations.
It's (Ebony - how appropriate).
I know it's Jeremiah, it's achapter three, verse 21 through
25.
So there's all kinds of chaosthat's going on, and he is
lamenting all of the chaos, andthen for 20 verses, and then all
(13:13):
of a sudden, this is what hesays.
"Thus, I recall in my mind.
Therefore, I have hope throughthe Lord's mercies, we are not
consumed, because hiscompassions fail not.
They are new every morning.
Great is your faithfulness.
The Lord is my portion say s mysoul.
(13:35):
Therefore, I hope in Him.
The Lord is good to those whowait for Him, to the soul who
seeks Him".
Ebony Gilbert (13:45):
That's good, that's good, that's good.
Well, I feel better.
Carri Richard (13:58):
Good, and it's what had me think of that was
when you talked about gettinginto the lyft and asking for
some quiet right?
No radio, as you said, and Ilove I hear to you "I need a
minute right, I need a minuteStep back, kind of a step back,
(14:21):
and you began this reflectionprocess, the reflection process
of, "oh my gosh, I just came infrom Europe, like I just had an
amazing time and like this iswhere, you know, Jeremiah flips
the script.
It's like "oh wait, a secondlook at all that has been done
(14:43):
for me.
I may not feel it right nowwith screaming kids, but that
power of stepping back andreflecting because if I can't
see it in the moment, how aboutI take a look in the rear view
mirror?
Ebony Gilbert (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to be able to do it in the
moment, but it doesn't alwayswork.
And are you laughing at meCarri?
Carri Richard (15:10):
No, I was going to say and that's okay, but I I
yeah, you were still talking.
I'm laughing at myself.
Ebony Gilbert (15:21):
I've got to keep saying the disclaimers because I
don't want anyone to think I'man awful person and I have
amazing compassion for peopleand I oftentimes offer to hold
these babies and I help where Ican, but it doesn't change how
I'm feeling on the inside and I,I my heart goes out to that
mother and that father, who areembarrassed and don't know what
to do as well, and they'retrying to figure out what
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happened to my child in the lasthour, because they probably
don't even behave this way athome.
You know, everybody's confusedand upset, so (Carri - they're
trapped too).
This is true.
They're trapped too.
They're more trapped than I am.
I just, that moment to reflect,I'm prayerful, and even in this
conversation, I'm prayerfulthat the next time I encounter
(16:05):
this I have a little morepatience and I'm a little less
triggered and a little lessbothered and I can display some
of that airplane grace, not juston the airplane or in the
airport, but also with anyonewho is, whether it's a two year
old, one year old or an adultwho's in a situation that's
(16:26):
frightening, cause this kid isscared and they're hurting,
their ears are hurting andthings are happening and it's
weird to them, you know.
So, for anyone I encounter in asituation that's unstoppable,
temporary albeit, butunstoppable.
How can I show some grace andsome compassion and not be so
(16:50):
angry and annoyed?
Cause I would want that with me.
If I'm scared and I'm upset andI'm vocalizing my feelings, I
would want someone to be patientand kind.
And understand that I am wayoutside of my comfort zone too.
I'm just expressing it in a waythat's very different from what
(17:12):
you're expressing it.
So, Airplane Grace, folks.
Carri Richard (17:19):
So, Ebony, the other reason I'm laughing is
there's no way that you will notbe given new opportunities to
practice Airplane Grace.
So my encouragement to you is,as you sit in the next gate,
before getting on the plane,reflect on this time we've had.
Ebony Gilbert (17:46):
I'm going to listen to this episode and I'm
going to have a good chuckle andI may offer it to my friends
around me who are looking for meto validate their feelings.
I have a really cool podcastyou should check out.
It's called Grace Among Us.
Please do tune in to theepisode called Airplane Grace.
Matter of fact, I've alreadydownloaded it and you can use my
(18:07):
headphones because it will helpyou.
It will help you through thismoment, oh goodness.
Carri Richard (18:15):
I love it.
I love it and I am going to ownthat that I will have
opportunities to do this too,not only on an airplane, but
it's that idea I can.
I can totally relate to thatidea of feeling trapped, upset,
like things are coming at me, orfeel like they're coming at me
(18:38):
that are super uncomfortable.
I didn't ask for them, Icertainly didn't dream about
them, and like how to staypresent and in the moment and be
graceful.
Graceful in it, and thatdoesn't mean that I have to be
like, oh, everything's perfectand this kid is not bothering me
(19:03):
.
It's working with that.
"Okay, I'm bothered, and sowhat can I do?
Ebony Gilbert (19:09):
What can I do with this?
Because this kid is eating mypretzels and my cookies sitting
next to me and I wanted my owncookies.
So I'm going to figure out ways, even if in the moment, to just
smile and let that mom knowthat I'm not part of the other
crowd, who's the enemy rightnow.
I'm making you the enemy.
(19:29):
I see you, and if I can help itanyway, I'm happy to, because
none of us are sleeping anyway,you know.
Carri Richard (19:36):
Yeah, it's another kid in the kingdom next
to you that is just having areal hard time.
Ebony Gilbert (19:44):
Having a hard time?
Yeah, having a hard time.
I feel better about this.
Carri Richard (19:52):
Good, I'm excited .
Ebony Gilbert (19:55):
I'm excited to hear I will put your comments,
because I'm sure I'm going toget some.
Yes, I love children, I loveparents.
Carri Richard (20:09):
And anybody who wants to create flights just for
adults.
There's your idea.
Yeah, Call me.
Ebony Gilbert (20:17):
Call me yes, yes, yes, yes, no, lighthearted, but
also, you know, on a very realnote we all have an opportunity
to practice that.
Carri Richard (20:27):
Absolutely All right.
I think we did it.
Ebony Gilbert (20:31):
All right.
Thank you folks for tuning in.
Thank you, Carri Richard.
Carri Richard (20:35):
Thank you, Ebony, and until next time.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
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(21:05):
on the lookout.
Welcome to Grace Among Us, the podcast where we
unearth the many faces andplaces of grace and share
stories of the power of grace inour human lives.
Our desire is that this willinspire you to see grace in your
own life and share it withothers.
Carri Richard (00:22):
Hello, hello Ebony and hello everybody.
My name is Carri Richard.
I am a mindset coach who helpspeople make space and enjoy the
ride, and I am here with my dearfriend Ebony C Gilbert.
Hello Ebony.
Ebony Gilbert (00:40):
Hello Carri, how are you today?
(Carri - I'm fabulous).
Carri Richard (00:44):
How are you doing ?
(Ebony - I'm pretty good, good,good).
All right, you want to getright to it?
Ebony Gilbert (00:53):
Let's do it.
Carri Richard (00:54):
Okay, Airplane Grace, tell me about it.
(Ebony - Airplane grace).
Ebony Gilbert (01:01):
I'm sure many of us have experienced this, but
I've been traveling a lot in thelast few months.
At least two or three times amonth I'm on an airplane and it
doesn't matter if it's a 5 amflight, a red eye, middle of the
day.
I seem to be seated regardlessof the ticket purchase.
(01:24):
It could be coach, it could bemain plus, it doesn't matter.
I seem to always get seatedconsistently next to a family
with small children who are notvery excited about the flight
and they express theirdiscontent with said flight
(01:47):
vocally, loudly, for two tothree hours and then they become
physically active and assaultthe seat in front of them,
usually the seat I'm sitting in.
And a couple of disclaimersbefore I go on.
I love children, all children.
(02:08):
I think they're little angels.
I have a deep respect forparents who travel with their
children when they're very smalland unpredictable.
I want to get that out of theway.
Love kids, love parents.
This is not a promotion for(Carri - adult only flights?
).
Yeah, that's not this.
(02:29):
I would buy that flight, butthat's not what this is.
(Carri - However.
) However, there is somethingthat happens inside of me, and
it comes in stages.
It usually starts with before Ieven get on the plane, and I'm
(02:50):
just in the seating area and I'mthinking, sweet Jesus, please
don't let them be sitting nextto me.
The anxiety starts to ramp up.
"Oh God, no, no, no.
Then it goes to , "Benadrylthey have or melatonin or
something.
And then I feel guilty for thatthought and I stop it.
(03:10):
I get on the plane.
It happens.
The event.
The child who's not happy sitsdirectly behind me.
And the parent proceeds to havean immediate nap, while this
kid is very unhappy.
And then my mind goes to, "it'snot that long, it's not that
(03:30):
long, I'll fall asleep.
I'll put my headphones on, thiswill be okay.
And I get to this acceptancepoint.
You know, now I'm acceptingthat this is what's happening
and it's going to be okay.
And then I get to the place ofrage quickly, because somewhere
between acceptance and fiveminutes later, it's unbearable.
And now I'm feeding off theenergy around me because
(03:54):
everyone now is trying to makeawkward eye contact with someone
else who can validate the factthat we are all miserable.
Carri Richard (04:02):
Because that helps.
Ebony Gilbert (04:05):
And it doesn't, because I was in acceptance.
And now I'm looking aroundhesitantly and there's always
some guy across the aisle who'slike (Carri - in nonacceptance?
) "Are you hearing this?
And now I feel compelled tomake him feel better by
validating his feelings andgoing (Carri - let me come to
(04:28):
where you are).
I'm there with you, buddy, I'mthere with you.
So, I had to stop.
It happened on the way backfrom Europe.
It happened on the way to NewYork, it happened on the way to
Miami.
It's happened so many times andI had this thought,
"What would airplane grace looklike?
(04:49):
What would it look like to walkinto this situation, knowing
the possibilities, and preparemyself for the short-term event
that's going to test my patience?
I can choose to walk into thiswith a mindset that overcomes
(05:10):
and overpowers my immediateenvironment, or I can walk into
this and look for other peopleto join on the bandwagon with me
, for my validating partnersacross the aisle, and be angry
the whole time and look at theflight attendant like she's not
doing her job.
He or she isn't doing their job, because surely you hear this
too, and why aren't you stoppingit?
(05:31):
As if they're able to stop it.
Airplane grace, for thisspecific example, is about the
experiences I've had onairplanes, but it's bigger than
that.
I think it's about the thingsthat are out of our control.
You know, based on experienceand history, that it's going to
make you feel some kind of way.
(05:51):
It's going to be triggering.
It's not only going to triggeryou.
It's going to trigger a lot ofpeople.
How can I personify,demonstrate airplane grace in a
way that does not jump on thebandwagon, possibly eases and
(06:13):
changes the atmosphere for thischild and this mother?
That's real pie in the sky.
But at least gives me somepeace During this unavoidable no
escape situation.
And I don't have an answer forthat.
But that's where my thoughtshave been on the heels of flying
(06:33):
as recently as Friday.
Carri Richard (06:39):
I love that.
Ebony Gilbert (06:40):
That's where my thoughts has been.
What are your thoughts?
Carri Richard (06:42):
I love that.
I have lots of them.
I spent my first career onplanes all over the world and I
do get that.
I do get the annoyance of myspace being infiltrated by
(07:10):
something that I have no desireto have in my space.
(Ebony - and I have no control).
Well, that's the and right.
I have no control over it.
However, I do have choice ofhow I approach it, and I think
(07:31):
you beautifully painted thepicture of I can jump on the
bandwagon of oh my God, is thisbothering you too?
This sucks! Which, for a briefmoment, (Ebony - feels good),
maybe exactly Instantgratification.
Oh my God, I'm not the only one.
Let's all get together andwe're good, they're bad.
(07:54):
Let's be black and white, let'sbe in the world, because that's
how, as me, as a human, all bymyself, without grace, without
God, that is how I operate.
Ebony Gilbert (08:09):
It's a very human response (Carri - Absolutely).
Carri Richard (08:12):
Somebody's good, somebody's bad, something's
right, something's wrong.
I'm uncomfortable.
Thus, it is your fault, it'syour fault, it's the kid's fault
.
It's the parent's fault, who'snapping.
It's the flight attendant'sfault.
Ebony Gilbert (08:28):
For not stopping it.
Carri Richard (08:29):
Stopping the unstoppable, and it's that.
I love as you were talkingabout, what does grace, airplane
grace look like?
It's that - that's that turningpoint.
And the turning point iscuriosity.
Instead of "why won't this stopor what can I do to make it
(08:59):
stop, it's like, well, what canI do with what I've been given
in this moment, my daily bread?
In this moment.
By myself, I'm going toprobably make a little bit of a
(09:20):
mess of it.
Kid's kicking my seat, I'mgoing to slam myself back in the
seat, I'm going to look overwith, you know, whatever.
But inviting grace in, invitingGod in, it's like, "okay, this
(09:40):
isn't forever, I'm not trappedhere, it's just temporary.
Ebony Gilbert (09:45):
Yeah, Just temporary.
And the irony I had to havethis moment in my lyft ride
where I specifically requestedno radio and no talking because
I just needed a minute.
But I had this moment ofreflection.
I'm complaining because Iendured two hours of an
(10:11):
uncomfortable child,uncomfortable flight on the way
back from Europe.
What a first world problem.
And then I felt convicted, likeman.
I'm choosing to place my focuson this minor inconvenience,
which still did not impact thefact that I arrived safely, as
(10:32):
promised.
But I'm focused on this minorinconvenience on the heels of an
amazing experience that wassuch a blessing.
And instead of me using thetime to reflect on the amazing
experience and the blessing oftravel and exposure and
friendship and love around theworld, I'm focused on this
(10:56):
particular situation.
And then it hit me man, wheream I focusing?
And this was after the fact I'mstill not clear on what airplane
grace looks like on the plane.
But after the fact, I was ableto have this moment and I, yeah,
I was in the lift ride and Ithought airplane grace.
Airplane grace never reallydeveloped the thought, didn't
(11:17):
know where we were going to gowith it.
But this is bigger than theairplane.
This is really about how lifebrings things your way.
They're triggering, you knowit's coming and you, you feel
out of control, like you have nocontrol and you want everybody
to be the bad guy, becauseyou're the good guy and I don't
deserve this.
This is unfair, and why am Iexperiencing this?
Carri Richard (11:41):
I also have had the feeling like what did I do
wrong?
Got me in this place, andthat's exactly.
And that's that idea that youknow, god punishes and I that's,
that's my own story, right.
Ebony Gilbert (12:01):
It's crazy the things your mind will do to you
in that moment.
Carri Richard (12:05):
Yeah, so where's the peace that surpasses all
understanding there?
Ebony Gilbert (12:11):
I don't know, because I don't understand it.
I don't know why it's soinfuriating.
I have no idea.
Carri Richard (12:19):
I think, yeah, it's, it's what I.
Yeah, I don't know why either.
I don't know why.
What I do know is, the more Ipush against it, the less I'm
going to ever know why or orshift anything.
You know, as you're speaking, Iwant to - Can I read something?
(12:44):
(Ebony - please) So you'regoing to yell it.
Ebony Gilbert (12:47):
No, it's your voice.
Carri Richard (12:49):
No, it's Lamentations.
It's (Ebony - how appropriate).
I know it's Jeremiah, it's achapter three, verse 21 through
25.
So there's all kinds of chaosthat's going on, and he is
lamenting all of the chaos, andthen for 20 verses, and then all
(13:13):
of a sudden, this is what hesays.
"Thus, I recall in my mind.
Therefore, I have hope throughthe Lord's mercies, we are not
consumed, because hiscompassions fail not.
They are new every morning.
Great is your faithfulness.
The Lord is my portion say s mysoul.
(13:35):
Therefore, I hope in Him.
The Lord is good to those whowait for Him, to the soul who
seeks Him".
Ebony Gilbert (13:45):
That's good, that's good, that's good.
Well, I feel better.
Carri Richard (13:58):
Good, and it's what had me think of that was
when you talked about gettinginto the lyft and asking for
some quiet right?
No radio, as you said, and Ilove I hear to you "I need a
minute right, I need a minuteStep back, kind of a step back,
(14:21):
and you began this reflectionprocess, the reflection process
of, "oh my gosh, I just came infrom Europe, like I just had an
amazing time and like this iswhere, you know, Jeremiah flips
the script.
It's like "oh wait, a secondlook at all that has been done
(14:43):
for me.
I may not feel it right nowwith screaming kids, but that
power of stepping back andreflecting because if I can't
see it in the moment, how aboutI take a look in the rear view
mirror?
Ebony Gilbert (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to be able to do it in the
moment, but it doesn't alwayswork.
And are you laughing at meCarri?
Carri Richard (15:10):
No, I was going to say and that's okay, but I I
yeah, you were still talking.
I'm laughing at myself.
Ebony Gilbert (15:21):
I've got to keep saying the disclaimers because I
don't want anyone to think I'man awful person and I have
amazing compassion for peopleand I oftentimes offer to hold
these babies and I help where Ican, but it doesn't change how
I'm feeling on the inside and I,I my heart goes out to that
mother and that father, who areembarrassed and don't know what
to do as well, and they'retrying to figure out what
(15:42):
happened to my child in the lasthour, because they probably
don't even behave this way athome.
You know, everybody's confusedand upset, so (Carri - they're
trapped too).
This is true.
They're trapped too.
They're more trapped than I am.
I just, that moment to reflect,I'm prayerful, and even in this
conversation, I'm prayerfulthat the next time I encounter
(16:05):
this I have a little morepatience and I'm a little less
triggered and a little lessbothered and I can display some
of that airplane grace, not juston the airplane or in the
airport, but also with anyonewho is, whether it's a two year
old, one year old or an adultwho's in a situation that's
(16:26):
frightening, cause this kid isscared and they're hurting,
their ears are hurting andthings are happening and it's
weird to them, you know.
So, for anyone I encounter in asituation that's unstoppable,
temporary albeit, butunstoppable.
How can I show some grace andsome compassion and not be so
(16:50):
angry and annoyed?
Cause I would want that with me.
If I'm scared and I'm upset andI'm vocalizing my feelings, I
would want someone to be patientand kind.
And understand that I am wayoutside of my comfort zone too.
I'm just expressing it in a waythat's very different from what
(17:12):
you're expressing it.
So, Airplane Grace, folks.
Carri Richard (17:19):
So, Ebony, the other reason I'm laughing is
there's no way that you will notbe given new opportunities to
practice Airplane Grace.
So my encouragement to you is,as you sit in the next gate,
before getting on the plane,reflect on this time we've had.
Ebony Gilbert (17:46):
I'm going to listen to this episode and I'm
going to have a good chuckle andI may offer it to my friends
around me who are looking for meto validate their feelings.
I have a really cool podcastyou should check out.
It's called Grace Among Us.
Please do tune in to theepisode called Airplane Grace.
Matter of fact, I've alreadydownloaded it and you can use my
(18:07):
headphones because it will helpyou.
It will help you through thismoment, oh goodness.
Carri Richard (18:15):
I love it.
I love it and I am going to ownthat that I will have
opportunities to do this too,not only on an airplane, but
it's that idea I can.
I can totally relate to thatidea of feeling trapped, upset,
like things are coming at me, orfeel like they're coming at me
(18:38):
that are super uncomfortable.
I didn't ask for them, Icertainly didn't dream about
them, and like how to staypresent and in the moment and be
graceful.
Graceful in it, and thatdoesn't mean that I have to be
like, oh, everything's perfectand this kid is not bothering me
(19:03):
.
It's working with that.
"Okay, I'm bothered, and sowhat can I do?
Ebony Gilbert (19:09):
What can I do with this?
Because this kid is eating mypretzels and my cookies sitting
next to me and I wanted my owncookies.
So I'm going to figure out ways, even if in the moment, to just
smile and let that mom knowthat I'm not part of the other
crowd, who's the enemy rightnow.
I'm making you the enemy.
(19:29):
I see you, and if I can help itanyway, I'm happy to, because
none of us are sleeping anyway,you know.
Carri Richard (19:36):
Yeah, it's another kid in the kingdom next
to you that is just having areal hard time.
Ebony Gilbert (19:44):
Having a hard time?
Yeah, having a hard time.
I feel better about this.
Carri Richard (19:52):
Good, I'm excited .
Ebony Gilbert (19:55):
I'm excited to hear I will put your comments,
because I'm sure I'm going toget some.
Yes, I love children, I loveparents.
Carri Richard (20:09):
And anybody who wants to create flights just for
adults.
There's your idea.
Yeah, Call me.
Ebony Gilbert (20:17):
Call me yes, yes, yes, yes, no, lighthearted, but
also, you know, on a very realnote we all have an opportunity
to practice that.
Carri Richard (20:27):
Absolutely All right.
I think we did it.
Ebony Gilbert (20:31):
All right.
Thank you folks for tuning in.
Thank you, Carri Richard.
Carri Richard (20:35):
Thank you, Ebony, and until next time.
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