June 12, 2025 • 33 mins
Ever felt that stirring within—knowing you were made for more, yet struggling to bring that vision to life? Dr. Joyce Gilmer's wisdom on the Grace to Lead podcast might just be the catalyst you need. Known as "The Dream Activator," Dr. Gilmer shares her extraordinary journey from feeling trapped by unrealized potential to helping others birth their God-given dreams.
The conversation takes a powerful turn when Dr. Gilmer reveals how God instructed her to "be what you desire to see"—a profound reminder that sometimes we're called to become the very example we're searching for. She introduces a transformative framework for understanding where your dream currently resides: is it stuck in your head (intellectual understanding), nestled in your heart (emotional connection), or actively in your hands (implementation phase)? This simple yet profound perspective helps listeners identify exactly where they've become stalled.
Dr. Gilmer doesn't shy away from naming the barriers that keep us paralyzed: fear, self-doubt, and lack of support. But rather than offering platitudes, she provides concrete strategies for overcoming these roadblocks, including recognizing the "breadcrumbs" God places along your path instead of waiting for thunderous revelations. For those questioning whether their dreams truly come from God, she offers practical discernment tools: does it align with scripture, match your natural passions, and connect with prophetic words spoken over your life?
Perhaps most liberating is Dr. Gilmer's perspective on bringing your whole self to your calling. She vulnerably shares her struggle with separating her ministry identity from her marketplace presence—a division that was "keeping me broke." The breakthrough came when she realized God intended to use every aspect of her being, every credential, every gift, in every setting, though expressed appropriately for each environment. This convergence allows for authenticity that magnetically draws your true audience without struggle.
For women on the verge of abandoning their dreams, Dr. Gilmer's parting wisdom resonates deeply: "Believe God again... Don't wait, initiate." She encourages assessing whether you're pursuing the right dream, changing your perspective about investing in yourself, and inviting qualified help on your journey. The conversation leaves listeners empowered to move forward with renewed confidence that when they walk in the fullest expression of who they're called to be, God will illuminate their path and bring the right connections at precisely the right time.
Ready to activate your dream? Listen now and discover how to transform your vision from mere possibility to powerful reality.
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Belinda Gaston (00:00):
Listen.
Did you catch the last episodeof the Graced to Lead podcast?
If you didn't, you need tocatch up, because today's
episode is like a part two oflast week's episode and the
guests had no idea.
In fact, they were recordedcompletely different times.
They didn't know what eachperson was going to talk about,
but it's like God ordained thismoment.
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Our guest is none other than DrJoyce Gilmer.
Known as the Dream Activate Her, she joins us to talk about
what it really takes to birth avision.
Overcome fear, move your dreamfrom your head to your heart, to
your hands.
So if you've ever had aGod-given dream but felt unsure,
(00:41):
overwhelmed or alone inbringing it to life, this
conversation is for you.
You ready, let's get into it.
Welcome to the Graced to Leadpodcast.
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I'm Belinda Gaston, your host.
And listen.
Our guest today is Dr JoyceGilmer.
Let me tell you about Dr Joyce.
She is a prophetic, spirit-ledvoice for women in ministry and
the marketplace.
Known as the Dream Activate Her, she helps women identify
strategies to monetize andlaunch their God-given dreams,
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turning their pain into purposeand their calling into kingdom
impact.
With a background in creditunion, banking and
entrepreneurship.
Certification from CornellUniversity, a triad of
accredited life coachcertifications that include
professional, neuro-linguisticand faith-based training, plus
years of pastoral and nationalministry.
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She merges prophetic spiritualinsight with practical
strategies Listen, say practicaly'all.
Practical strategies to helpwomen overcome fear, gain
clarity around their purpose andleverage their gifts to profit
from their passion, resulting ina life of obedience and
fulfillment in their pulpit andplatform assignments.
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Would you do me a favor andwelcome Dr Joyce Gilmer to the
Graced to Lead podcast?
Welcome, dr.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (02:14):
Joyce, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
I cannot wait to dive into ourconversation today.
Belinda Gaston (02:22):
Me too.
It's amazing, and so we arejust going to get started now.
So let's start, dr Joyce, withyou giving us a little bit about
your journey.
Can you share a little bitabout your journey of becoming
the Dream Activate Her?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (02:36):
Absolutely.
My journey from a veryauthentic place is layered with
trials, brokenness,disappointment, tragedy,
frustration I mean just a myriadof emotions and unmet
expectations and probably a fewunrealistic ones.
But realizing that, I felt thatI was kind of trapped at all
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this great potential, potent,you know, emphasis on potent all
this greatness that was insideof me and I didn't really know
how to get it out.
I didn't really have anyonehelping me or supporting me to
try to get it out.
I just was full of all of thispregnant, if you will and I
couldn't really find help.
I couldn't find assistance.
And one day, in prayer, out ofmy frustration, I prayed to God
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and I said listen, lord, nowlisten here.
Listen, Linda, if you arecalling me to this place of
helping people, at this capacityas a dream activator, show me
what I need to do.
Where are the people, where arethe places?
And he said to me I am callingyou to be what you desire to see
.
I was trying to see it first andtherein lied my frustration,
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because sometimes God is callingus to be the blueprint, but
we're stuck on trying to find apattern.
And that's where I found myfreedom.
So I started this journey onbecoming and discovering with
more clarity what was a dreamactivator.
I didn't understand what itmeant, but I took it into prayer
and he began to talk to meabout what it was, and I would
be called to speak to thedormant places, the dormant
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dreams inside of women, and Ihad the Graced and anointing to
activate their dormant places sothey could walk out the fullest
expression of what they alsowere called to do.
And that's how I landed here.
Belinda Gaston (04:15):
That is what a way to start, and so I listen.
If you are listening, I hopethat you captured that first
nugget, which is in her journey.
God showed her that she was tobe what she wanted to see, and I
believe that there are somepeople out there right now that
are frustrated because you havethis dream.
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It doesn't make sense to you.
You think that God is callingyou in a place and you have no
examples.
Perhaps you are to be theexample.
That's a great point.
And so it sounds like you had atrue vision, a true dream.
It's God put it in you.
This is what you are to do, andthere are some women who are in
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that place where they do have adream.
They may not be able toarticulate that dream.
They may not be able toarticulate that dream, they may
not be able to define that dream, but they have something that
they know that God has giventhem, and they want to be
obedient and birth that thing,but they're not quite sure
really what it looks like to dothat, particularly in a world
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where things seem so counter tofaith these days.
And so my question to you iswhat does that look like?
What does it look like to birtha God-given dream in today's
world.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (05:35):
I think the first thing that I would say is
to pay attention to thebreadcrumbs and stop waiting for
the big boom.
Attention to the breadcrumbsand stop waiting for the big
boom.
I think that when we talk aboutdreams, it becomes this big,
magnanimous, humongous goal, andthat's what becomes
overwhelming to us, becausewe're not sure how to process
all that we see, all that wefeel, all that we sense, and
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that's where the overwhelm comes.
So I would say, dial it back abit and to pay attention to the
small breadcrumbs.
What do I mean?
What are the things when youwere a child that you were
automatically inclined to?
What did you have leans toward?
You know, for me I always wasthe one taking care of the
broken doll, fixing the arms andthings that were.
The little girl that was buyingstuff at a table at lunch.
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I'd be drawing that one personthey're never the crowd, just
the one person off to the sideto encourage.
So I've always kind of had thispassion to comfort, to lead, to
direct, to encourage even younggirls, even women, even people
in ministry.
So I had this thing all alongto be this empowerer.
If you empower her, can I saythat, this person that empowers
me, you can, yes.
So I've had this burden forwomen in particular.
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Of course, I preached thegospel in general, but the
burden that I had for women wassomething that I could not shake
.
I don't care what environmentif you put me over the women's
ministry or the choir I wasalways drawn to the one person
that needed a little bit morehelp, a little more
encouragement, a little moreclarity, and so I started to
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pitch into that through my life.
And so I would say to you that,if you are trying to figure out
whether or not the dream thatyou are carrying is really a
God-given dream, first of all,it's usually an idea, a feeling
that will not leave you alonefrom it, and try to ignore it.
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It keeps coming back, it keepsresurfacing.
You dream about it, you hearabout it, you'll hear a sermon
and it triggers a thoughtconcerning it.
You'll be in a smallconversation and another thought
will trigger, because God'snudging you or reminding you of
what he has already put in you,what he already intends to be
birthed through you.
So now you have to pay anotherlevel of attention to what it is
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that God is calling you to.
So it should, number one makesure it's a God-given dream.
Make sure that it is somethingthat aligns with scripture.
If you're a faith-based person,it should align with the word
of God.
It should also align with yourpassion, something you're
naturally excited about.
It should even align peopledon't think about this, belinda
but it even should align withyour prophecies.
(08:06):
What prophetic word has beenspoken of your life?
Yeah, and not just a preachedword.
But when I think about this, Ithink about my grandmama praying
over me.
My grandmother is speaking lifeover me, prophesying over me
One day, baby, you're going tobe something great.
Right, she was prophesying inmy life even then.
So where you land in your dream, the thing you are supposed to
activate, develop, build, grow,launch it should be something
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that aligns with your purpose,aligns with your passion, but
also aligns with your prophecy.
And that's how you'll know,because the things spoken of
your life is the thing that Godwill make sure happens in your
life.
Belinda Gaston (08:41):
You know, it's interesting because I think this
is something that causes peopleto not move forward.
So I love that you saididentifying the pattern.
What is that thing that keepscoming up, that pattern of
behavior, that pattern of yourpassion, and even the things
that were spoken to youprophetically?
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But I think that some of us,some of our listeners, know what
that thing is, but they getoverwhelmed by it, right?
So it gets to be big, it getsto be grand.
Even our attitudes and beliefscan cause people to stop and not
move forward.
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So you have this dream.
You know that it's aligned withyour purpose and passion, but
maybe there's fear, maybe thereis doubt, maybe there are other
things that may cause you fromeven going any further.
So they have a dream and thereare things that kind of keep you
from moving forward.
What would you say are the topone or two things that hold
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leaders back from pursuing theirdream?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (09:47):
Yeah, I think you tapped into it initially is
there's definitely the fearfactor, fear of the unknown.
Fear is very big.
So am I good enough?
Do I know enough?
Am I smart enough?
Will I have the rightconnections to make it happen?
Will I have enough money?
So it brings up all of thesequestions right.
So fear definitely is number onethat I hear with those that I
work with.
And then there's a self-doubt,there's this introspection into
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my own capabilities.
And then the third thing islack of support.
If I do this, who will bearound to help me?
Or who will buy the productthat I create?
Or who will buy the book that Iactually write, or who will
attend the event that I amcalled to launch?
So we have these fear factorsall around all of the what-ifs,
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and that diffuses or takes awayenergy from the things that you
should be doing to birth thedream.
We have our attention oftentimesin the wrong space, because you
can take the large picture and,once you identify the what, you
can then break down in smallsteps the how.
And as you lean into prayerabout the how, then God will
show you the next step.
He'll show you the people,he'll show you the places He'll
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bring the resources.
But we stay stuck in theheadspace.
So often when I'm doing mysessions, I ask them to assess
where is your dream?
It's in different spaces.
It's in the head space, it's inthe heart space, or is it in
your hand?
Is it in my head, where I justkeep thinking about it and
that's it.
I just ponder it, I think aboutit, I ponder it, I think about
it.
One day I'm going to be, Ithink about it, right, and so
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that head space is kind ofbounces around in the cerebral
cortex and everything's goinganywhere.
It just stays in the head.
That's great, but it's alsofrustrating.
Can you imagine if we had tostay pregnant more than nine
months, if we had to be pregnantforever?
Oh my goodness, that's what aslept dream is like being
pregnant forever.
No one wants that.
Belinda Gaston (11:33):
No, absolutely not.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (11:36):
Right.
So you have to find ways tomove from the head space.
Sometimes, depending on who youare and where you are in your
life, it might just be the heartspace, like you now feel it.
You know what is in your heart,you believe it like it's there,
but that's all you have is thebelief that God's going to one
day.
God's going to do it.
I feel it, I just know it right, and you're in that space and
you stay there forever fiveyears, 10 years, 15 years.
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But our goal, and what I do as adream activator, is to move
from the head, from the heart,into the place of the hands,
where you're in the doing space,where you're creating, you're
building, you're pulling in theresources, you're attracting the
people, you're ending up in theright places, and so this all
happens through prayer.
But no one births a dream alone.
This is where overwhelm can notbe overwhelming, because you
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onboard the help that you need,even when you're birthing a baby
.
We have midwives.
You know people that have theskill set to help you where you
lack, and they bring an extracomfort right.
When I think about when I waspregnant, it was going to the
Lamaze classes that broughtanother level of assurance.
Oh, maybe I can do this becausethey gave me strategic things
to do while I was going throughthe birthing process to birth
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successfully how to breathe, forinstance.
Remember that breathing process, breathing exercise right.
How to breathe when you begin tofeel the pain, and I think
that's something.
Else is that we want to.
Sometimes we're afraid of thepain or we don't want, we want
to skirt by the process, and sojust because I have a dream
doesn't mean it's going to beeasy.
Let me say that again.
Just because you have a dreamand especially a God dream, we
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think, because God gave it to us, it's going to be easy.
That's the problem.
Sometimes we feel like, asbelievers, oh, this is God's
dream, it's God's idea and it is.
But we expect it to be easy andthat's not how it works.
Every dream requires a process,a level of patience, sometimes
strategy, sometimes system.
Sometimes I have to hiresomebody to help me.
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I cannot do it on my own, sothere's a level of sacrifice
that's required of me in orderto get the help that I need to
make sure that I succeed.
Belinda Gaston (13:34):
Oh, you said some good stuff, Dr Joyce.
I feel like we need to go backfor a minute.
So a couple of things.
Listeners, I hope that you'regetting this and I hear you.
I heard your messages.
Thank you all for sendingmessages too.
I appreciate you connectingwith Graced Tlaib.
Keep it coming.
So I heard that a lot of ourguests just drop a whole bunch
of information and you're likewait, wait, wait.
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So let's just try to summarizehere for a second.
So we talked about Dr.
Joy said that there were threeprimary things that came to mind
when she thinks about whatholds us leaders back from
pursuing our dreams.
One of those was fear, theother was self-doubt and then
the third was lack of support.
So fear, self-doubt, lack ofsupport.
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And then she talked about sheasked us a question that I think
we need to pause for a momentand ask ourselves where is your
dream?
Is it in your head?
Listen, I'm a heady girl.
I go from head to heart a lot.
Ooh, I have it and I could justimagine.
So she talked about theheadspace.
Then she talked about the heartno-transcript want to talk
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about, which will take us backbefore I go into my next area,
but I really hear clearly as youwere talking.
I heard that there are someleaders who are listening to
this and they will say well, shetalked about having a
grandmother who spoke to her, orshe talked about you know
someone giving a prophetic word,or I don't have any of that.
I didn't have anybody speakinglife to me.
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How am I supposed to even get adream or know that my dream is
from God, when I don't?
I'm in a place where no onearound me is a believer, no one
speaks encouragement to me.
I've had a hard space.
What would you say to thatleader in that space who may
feel like well, I think I have adream, but I'm not sure.
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Or maybe I do have a dream, butno one's ever spoke to me about
it.
What would you say to thatleader listening?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (15:56):
I would say to I don't want to articulate this
I would say to look beyond whoyou expect to have spoken in
your life and look to hasalready spoken.
Go to the word of God.
That's the first place that Iheard about my dream.
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That was the first place that Isaw what God said about me.
It was the word of God, and Imean that literally.
I didn't grow up, even though Ihad family.
I didn't grow up with peoplegiving me positive comments and
words of affirmation and you'reso pretty.
I didn't have any of that.
I grew with low self-esteem, noself-esteem.
I've had abuse in my life andso, but what I realized is that
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I was God's daughter before Iwas my mother's daughter, and
looking at what God said aboutme is what first spoke to my
personhood.
And he began to speak to meabout my even in the word of God
.
Right, he let me know that I'mmore than a conqueror.
He said in Jeremiah before youwere even in your mama's womb, I
knew you.
So I had to lean into what Godsaid more than what people may
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or may have not said, becauseI've been disappointed by people
and what I've learned aboutwhat I've also learned, belinda
is that when people give you allthe accolades, they can also
take those back.
They can also backstab, they canalso betray, but the word of
the Lord is the only thing thatstands sure forever.
And so I've learned to put myattention to what he has said,
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and that's where I found my ownfaith began to build.
That's where I began to see howmuch more of he was saying
about my own dreams and me beinga dream.
Activate her.
Because even when I first putout dream activator, I remember
someone that I respect, whoshall remain nameless, looking
at the phrasing, and I dreamactivator.
What is that?
That don't even make sense.
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But I knew what God said.
He gave me that before I evenknew what it was myself.
So I wasn't about to try todefend what God said.
I just needed to become what hesaid.
Does that make sense?
It does Become what he said andas I'm walking out what he says,
now they see what a dream actoris, dream activator is and what
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it means.
I don't have to explain it.
God's doing that for me.
And if you think about it, whenhe called Abraham he had to say
listen, come on out, away fromyour family folk, get away from
your kindred to a place that I'mgoing to show you.
So it took courage to step intothis space of marketplace.
I've only been known forministry for like 30, 40 years.
Everybody knows me evangelist,preacher, prophet, and so when I
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started leaning into themarketplace space, for sure they
were like oh you backslidden.
Oh you all about the money.
Oh you, I mean.
I had to listen to all types ofnegativity, but I knew what God
said because, again, it didn'tleave me.
I kept dreaming about it, itkept popping up, it kept
resurfacing, and so I was like,okay, god, one day in prayer, in
frustration I might be a littleahead of myself, but I remember
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one day in frustration I prayedout to God.
I said, if you want me to dothis activation thing, if you
want me to be a coach, I needyou to show me an example,
because I don't have any.
I don't have anyone in my spacedoing this and I prayed a
prayer and I logged ontoFacebook.
It was at midnight.
I logged onto Facebook and Iran across a video of a Japanese
man who was not of my ethnicity, not in my church circle or any
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of that, but he was holding anevent.
It was a three-day event.
He was giving away free ticketsonly five free tickets.
It was $1,000 a ticket to getin that space.
I didn't have $1,000 at all,but I applied.
I was selected.
God brought me to that space asan answer to my prayer and he
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began to show me more about whathe was calling me to do.
So if you're in that place, butyou're thinking, you're looking
for your family.
Many times people are saying Idon't have anyone.
They're thinking about theirfamily, thinking about their
friends, thinking about theirimmediate circle.
But can I tell you that God hasassigned strangers to help
birth your dream.
You may not even know them, butthey will have the anointing
and the Graced to carry youwhere others have dropped you.
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So don't get stuck on thefamiliar.
God may have an unfamiliarperson that's housed with the
capacity to birth you and helpyou birth your dreams.
Belinda Gaston (20:05):
I got a little bit more second on this one yeah
, that's good, I think it'simportant.
So I'm pausing intentionallybecause I think somebody just
received that.
So, listeners, if that's you,you're not counting yourself out
, you can still birth that dream.
And so, dr Joyce, you talked alittle bit about marketplace in
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your example of your prayer andthe answer to that prayer.
So let's talk about that for aminute.
How do ministry and marketplaceintersect in a woman's calling,
when they're a woman who leads?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (20:45):
Oh, child, that is a reason why I say it
like that is because it was anarea where I was so bifurcated,
so torn, because I kept tryingto segment and differentiate
between marketplace and tryingto be in two separate places
when I was one individual.
So I kept trying to make themseparate Right.
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So I was like, okay, I justshow up in ministry, I only
preach, I only do this.
And then I turned that off andnow I go over here and in my
marketplace I can't show anyministry, show any ministry and
for my business blueprint it waskeeping me broke.
I was making no money in mybusiness after like six years
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because I kept trying toseparate, because I failed to
realize that God wanted to useall of who I am in my DNA to
show up in every place.
So every skill set, everycredential, every certification,
every degree, God wants to usethat in all of the places that
you are called to serve and showup in Hope that this is making
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sense.
So there is a convergence.
The reality is is that with myprophetic gifting, for example,
it absolutely informs everythingelse that I do in my
marketplace.
So I am a faith-based coach andwhen I coach my clients.
My gifting is what informs whattype of strategy I need to
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implement, what type of goals,because I pray first that this
particular person may need.
It's not a cookie cutter, acookie cutter format or
blueprint.
I go to the Lord and hisprophetic insight through me
begins to show me what needs tobe done for this particular
client.
Now there's also a practicalskillset right, so I had to
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learn.
That's why I didneuro-linguistic training.
This is why I did othercertifications, because I wanted
to understand how the humanmind function, how it makes the
decisions and choices that itmakes, so that I can partner
with them.
So they're not an alienation ofeach.
There is a convergence whereGod wants to use all that you
are and bring all of that to thetable.
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Does that make sense at all?
Belinda Gaston (22:55):
It does.
I think what you're doing isgiving people permission to show
up fully, yeah, and this topickeeps coming up on this show, so
it's clearly something thatpeople need to hear.
One of our guests talked aboutyou know the process of becoming
.
Another one talked about youknow making sure that you're
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bringing your whole self andeven I've talked about on this
show about my journey ofreleasing those segments and
really showing up in thecorporate world as Belinda the
leader, but also Belinda thewoman of faith.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (23:30):
There's wisdom with that, though too right.
So knowing how you present,based on the atmosphere, correct
, my anointing is my anointing.
I am an encourager.
Every room I step into, it'sjust a part of my DNA.
It doesn't matter if I'm havingcoffee with a friend, if I'm on
a pulpit ministering.
In fact, I was called intoministry to a place of healing
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and deliverance when I wascalled in 1988, that's the space
of ministry God called me intowhy?
Because it has to do withhelping people get over a
process, getting unstuck,getting dislodged.
That's why I'm in ministry.
Same thing in coaching gettingunstuck, away from fear, getting
out of your stuck place,breaking limiting beliefs.
So my anointing and my Gracedis the same.
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It just shows up differently inthose different platforms, if
that makes sense.
And so when I'm called to speakat a college, I'm not going to
speak in tongues and you know,roll around and grab the mic.
It's not the right platform forthat.
But the anointing that works.
The yoke to string anointingstill showed up the same and I
have proof of this receipts.
I spoke at a college here.
I forget the name of thecollege, shame on me.
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I won't even say it on here andI was like but you can't be
churchy, you know, because shedoesn't have a church girl,
which I already knew, that.
But anyways.
So at first I thought maybe youwant to get someone else for
the assignment because I can bechurchy.
But the Lord reassured me thatno, this is ministry too and
this is part of your assignment.
So I accepted the assignment.
I go there and I speak, and whenI'm done I did not do any.
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Thank you, jesuses, nohallelujahs, no amens.
But when I was done, the vicepresident of that college came
up to me and said it was sopowerful.
I don't even know what I felt,but I felt something.
The students that were there, Idon't know what.
Wow, I just felt like.
I just felt like now I know itwas the anointing and I know it
was the Holy Ghost.
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My grandma would say right, butI didn't get it there and again
, be very demonstrative and yelland do like we would do in a
church environment, but theGraced to minister effectively,
even in the marketplace, waswith me, and so I want us to
really rest in the fact againthat God wants to use every part
of you as significant towardthe birthing and facilitation of
the dream that he's called youto do and to the people that are
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assigned to your sound.
Belinda Gaston (25:40):
Yes, I appreciate you sharing that.
And even for me, I'm findingmore and more, I'm getting more
corporate kind of invitations,and I am ministry, even though I
am ordained minister.
But I do find that whenever Ispeak, even if it's in a team
meeting, that anointing is thereand I'm just now accepting that
.
And so, even if it's in a teammeeting, that anointing is there
and I'm just now accepting that.
So I hope, if you're listening,that you are hearing a couple
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things.
I want you to know that yourdream matters.
I want you to know that thedreams that you have can be
birthed and we just gotpractical advice of moving that
from our heads out to our hands,right.
But I also want you to knowthat you can overcome those
barriers, those things that DrJoyce talked about the fear, the
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self-doubt, the worry aboutlack of support and that as
you're birthing this dream, youcan do so as your whole self so
God created you as you and thatyou can bring your entire self
to what he's called.
In fact, I would say.
I don't know if you agree withthis, Dr Joyce, but I say that
your full self is required inorder for the dream to be
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fulfilled.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (26:49):
I would agree with that.
And when you are walking in thefull expression of who you're
called to be and do and whatyou're called to do, then your
true audience can find you aswell and you don't have to go
hunt them down and beg foropportunities and beg for
clients and beg for customers.
The Graced in your life, whenyou walk in the fullest
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expression of who you aresupposed to be, causes God to
illuminate you, causes thisemergence, this elevation of
people.
So now they begin to see youand pay attention Wow, who is
that what they're doing overthere?
Because now you're beingauthentic to yourself and not
hiding behind someone else'sGraced, not hiding behind what
your mother said or what yourleaders say you should be.
It's a requirement.
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I would use that.
I haven't used that before, butI would agree with that.
That's absolutely true.
Belinda Gaston (27:38):
Yeah, so listeners, I hope that this is
helping you.
We are almost out of time, but Iknow it's been such a great
conversation, but, leaders, Iknow you have if you have
listened, listen if you have notlistened to the previous
episodes, cause I'm telling you,I love how God is connecting.
None of my guests knew thatthey were going to be guests.
In fact, dr Joyce doesn't knowwho else has been on the show
(28:02):
and some of the episodes haven'taired yet.
But when I tell you that God isconnecting every single episode
to each other, you have to goback and listen to the other
episodes, because God isbringing all of this together,
whether you are leading incorporate spaces, whether you
have your own business, whetheryou're leading in ministry.
You have to hear this.
But I would like to give DrJoyce a moment, because we have
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some women listening who arelike yeah, I have heard this
before, maybe not in this way,but I had my dream, I did what
God said and I just feel likeit's enough, I'm ready to quit,
I'm ready to stop.
This isn't working.
I don't know what I wasthinking, and so I really want
to encourage that woman beforewe end this conversation.
(28:45):
So what would you say to thewoman?
What kind of encouragementwould you give to the woman who
is like forget this dream stuff.
I'm ready to quit.
I'm done.
What would you say to her?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (28:56):
I would say to you to believe God again.
I would say to learn to trustin yourself, because if God
trusts you with the dream, thenyou also need to trust that God
knows what he's doing concerningchoosing you.
And I would say to look inwardagain, but this time do it with
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help, don't do it alone.
Do it with help, don't do italone.
Pause and pray.
Do an assessment, assess isthis still, was the dream I was
pursuing?
Was it the right dream?
Maybe it was somebody else'sdream for you?
So you should do a dreamassessment to make sure that
number one it's still the dreamthat God wants you to pursue,
that it's still the right timefor the dream.
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And if that's the case, thenmaybe you need to invite someone
else on your dream journey.
That might mean hiring a coach.
That might mean investing,going back to school for some
reason to get another level ofcertification or skillset.
But I believe that if you justchange your heart toward giving
God another yes, he's gonna giveyou fresh insight concerning
the dream.
This time he's gonna show youwho can help you, how it needs
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to be done, and he will evengive you I believe I'm going to
say it because I feel it rightnow, he will even give you the
finances that you need to investin your own journey.
I would say, too, belinda, tochange your perspective around
paying for things, because inthis season, you will need to
invest in your own journey.
It's an investment because whenyou invest, you can expect a
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return, and that's what I had tolearn.
I had to begin to invest in myown journey instead of just
waiting on the profit side andthen what's going to happen?
No, there were things that Ihad to do from a practical place
to assure that my dream cameinto pass, but I think the
biggest thing, too, isdefinitely inviting someone
who's qualified and equipped onyour dream journey to help you
build.
That's what I would say.
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But don't stop dreaming, and Iwould say don't wait, initiate.
Belinda Gaston (30:52):
I think that's a perfect place for us to end
this conversation.
Dr Joyce has said a lot.
If you were not able to takenotes as you listen, I would
encourage you to go back andlisten and I'm sure that by now,
dr Joyce there's some peoplewho are listening are like man,
I really want to connect with DrJoyce in a different way.
(31:12):
So can you tell people how theycan connect with you?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (31:18):
Absolutely so.
I am Dr Joyce Gilmer.
I love to help women of faithwake up to their dreams, get
clear about their purpose andlearn how to profit from their
passion.
If any of that sounds like you,you can meet me on my website
at joycegilmercom.
That's G-I-L-M-E-R.
Joycegilmercom.
You can also find out moreabout me on Instagram at I am
(31:40):
Joyce GilceGilmer, and onFacebook at JoyceGilmerSpeaks.
Any of those places.
I'm excited about looking and Ilook forward to working with
you in the future.
Belinda Gaston (31:48):
Thank you so much and, for our listeners, we
will have all of the links inour show notes so that you'll be
able to reach Dr Joyce.
It has, as my grandmother says,been a plum pleasing pleasure,
dr Joyce, to have you on theshow.
I feel like we have a whole.
We need to do a part two ofthis conversation.
So, just in case I invite youback, let's have that part two.
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But thank you for your time,your willingness and your yes,
it has been truly a pleasure.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (32:17):
Thank you for having me.
My only complaint is that itwas too short.
Belinda Gaston (32:22):
Yes, time did fly.
Time did fly, so listen thoseof you who are Graced to Lead
listeners.
I appreciate you.
As always, I don't take yourlistening, your plugging in, for
granted.
You can always follow thepodcast.
Remember to follow the podcast.
You can subscribe on Apple andon Spotify as well.
Also, in the show notes,there's a way for you to jump on
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and subscribe so you can stayup to date on what we're doing
at Graced to Lead.
I appreciate you listening.
Remember, until we meet againnext week, that you are indeed
Graced to Lead.
Bye-bye, thank you.
Listen.
Did you catch the last episodeof the Graced to Lead podcast?
If you didn't, you need tocatch up, because today's
episode is like a part two oflast week's episode and the
guests had no idea.
In fact, they were recordedcompletely different times.
They didn't know what eachperson was going to talk about,
but it's like God ordained thismoment.
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Our guest is none other than DrJoyce Gilmer.
Known as the Dream Activate Her, she joins us to talk about
what it really takes to birth avision.
Overcome fear, move your dreamfrom your head to your heart, to
your hands.
So if you've ever had aGod-given dream but felt unsure,
(00:41):
overwhelmed or alone inbringing it to life, this
conversation is for you.
You ready, let's get into it.
Welcome to the Graced to Leadpodcast.
(01:01):
I'm Belinda Gaston, your host.
And listen.
Our guest today is Dr JoyceGilmer.
Let me tell you about Dr Joyce.
She is a prophetic, spirit-ledvoice for women in ministry and
the marketplace.
Known as the Dream Activate Her, she helps women identify
strategies to monetize andlaunch their God-given dreams,
(01:22):
turning their pain into purposeand their calling into kingdom
impact.
With a background in creditunion, banking and
entrepreneurship.
Certification from CornellUniversity, a triad of
accredited life coachcertifications that include
professional, neuro-linguisticand faith-based training, plus
years of pastoral and nationalministry.
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She merges prophetic spiritualinsight with practical
strategies Listen, say practicaly'all.
Practical strategies to helpwomen overcome fear, gain
clarity around their purpose andleverage their gifts to profit
from their passion, resulting ina life of obedience and
fulfillment in their pulpit andplatform assignments.
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Would you do me a favor andwelcome Dr Joyce Gilmer to the
Graced to Lead podcast?
Welcome, dr.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (02:14):
Joyce, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
I cannot wait to dive into ourconversation today.
Belinda Gaston (02:22):
Me too.
It's amazing, and so we arejust going to get started now.
So let's start, dr Joyce, withyou giving us a little bit about
your journey.
Can you share a little bitabout your journey of becoming
the Dream Activate Her?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (02:36):
Absolutely.
My journey from a veryauthentic place is layered with
trials, brokenness,disappointment, tragedy,
frustration I mean just a myriadof emotions and unmet
expectations and probably a fewunrealistic ones.
But realizing that, I felt thatI was kind of trapped at all
(02:57):
this great potential, potent,you know, emphasis on potent all
this greatness that was insideof me and I didn't really know
how to get it out.
I didn't really have anyonehelping me or supporting me to
try to get it out.
I just was full of all of thispregnant, if you will and I
couldn't really find help.
I couldn't find assistance.
And one day, in prayer, out ofmy frustration, I prayed to God
(03:20):
and I said listen, lord, nowlisten here.
Listen, Linda, if you arecalling me to this place of
helping people, at this capacityas a dream activator, show me
what I need to do.
Where are the people, where arethe places?
And he said to me I am callingyou to be what you desire to see
.
I was trying to see it first andtherein lied my frustration,
(03:42):
because sometimes God is callingus to be the blueprint, but
we're stuck on trying to find apattern.
And that's where I found myfreedom.
So I started this journey onbecoming and discovering with
more clarity what was a dreamactivator.
I didn't understand what itmeant, but I took it into prayer
and he began to talk to meabout what it was, and I would
be called to speak to thedormant places, the dormant
(04:04):
dreams inside of women, and Ihad the Graced and anointing to
activate their dormant places sothey could walk out the fullest
expression of what they alsowere called to do.
And that's how I landed here.
Belinda Gaston (04:15):
That is what a way to start, and so I listen.
If you are listening, I hopethat you captured that first
nugget, which is in her journey.
God showed her that she was tobe what she wanted to see, and I
believe that there are somepeople out there right now that
are frustrated because you havethis dream.
(04:35):
It doesn't make sense to you.
You think that God is callingyou in a place and you have no
examples.
Perhaps you are to be theexample.
That's a great point.
And so it sounds like you had atrue vision, a true dream.
It's God put it in you.
This is what you are to do, andthere are some women who are in
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that place where they do have adream.
They may not be able toarticulate that dream.
They may not be able toarticulate that dream, they may
not be able to define that dream, but they have something that
they know that God has giventhem, and they want to be
obedient and birth that thing,but they're not quite sure
really what it looks like to dothat, particularly in a world
(05:21):
where things seem so counter tofaith these days.
And so my question to you iswhat does that look like?
What does it look like to birtha God-given dream in today's
world.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (05:35):
I think the first thing that I would say is
to pay attention to thebreadcrumbs and stop waiting for
the big boom.
Attention to the breadcrumbsand stop waiting for the big
boom.
I think that when we talk aboutdreams, it becomes this big,
magnanimous, humongous goal, andthat's what becomes
overwhelming to us, becausewe're not sure how to process
all that we see, all that wefeel, all that we sense, and
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that's where the overwhelm comes.
So I would say, dial it back abit and to pay attention to the
small breadcrumbs.
What do I mean?
What are the things when youwere a child that you were
automatically inclined to?
What did you have leans toward?
You know, for me I always wasthe one taking care of the
broken doll, fixing the arms andthings that were.
The little girl that was buyingstuff at a table at lunch.
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I'd be drawing that one personthey're never the crowd, just
the one person off to the sideto encourage.
So I've always kind of had thispassion to comfort, to lead, to
direct, to encourage even younggirls, even women, even people
in ministry.
So I had this thing all alongto be this empowerer.
If you empower her, can I saythat, this person that empowers
me, you can, yes.
So I've had this burden forwomen in particular.
(06:40):
Of course, I preached thegospel in general, but the
burden that I had for women wassomething that I could not shake
.
I don't care what environmentif you put me over the women's
ministry or the choir I wasalways drawn to the one person
that needed a little bit morehelp, a little more
encouragement, a little moreclarity, and so I started to
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pitch into that through my life.
And so I would say to you that,if you are trying to figure out
whether or not the dream thatyou are carrying is really a
God-given dream, first of all,it's usually an idea, a feeling
that will not leave you alonefrom it, and try to ignore it.
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It keeps coming back, it keepsresurfacing.
You dream about it, you hearabout it, you'll hear a sermon
and it triggers a thoughtconcerning it.
You'll be in a smallconversation and another thought
will trigger, because God'snudging you or reminding you of
what he has already put in you,what he already intends to be
birthed through you.
So now you have to pay anotherlevel of attention to what it is
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that God is calling you to.
So it should, number one makesure it's a God-given dream.
Make sure that it is somethingthat aligns with scripture.
If you're a faith-based person,it should align with the word
of God.
It should also align with yourpassion, something you're
naturally excited about.
It should even align peopledon't think about this, belinda
but it even should align withyour prophecies.
(08:06):
What prophetic word has beenspoken of your life?
Yeah, and not just a preachedword.
But when I think about this, Ithink about my grandmama praying
over me.
My grandmother is speaking lifeover me, prophesying over me
One day, baby, you're going tobe something great.
Right, she was prophesying inmy life even then.
So where you land in your dream, the thing you are supposed to
activate, develop, build, grow,launch it should be something
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that aligns with your purpose,aligns with your passion, but
also aligns with your prophecy.
And that's how you'll know,because the things spoken of
your life is the thing that Godwill make sure happens in your
life.
Belinda Gaston (08:41):
You know, it's interesting because I think this
is something that causes peopleto not move forward.
So I love that you saididentifying the pattern.
What is that thing that keepscoming up, that pattern of
behavior, that pattern of yourpassion, and even the things
that were spoken to youprophetically?
(09:01):
But I think that some of us,some of our listeners, know what
that thing is, but they getoverwhelmed by it, right?
So it gets to be big, it getsto be grand.
Even our attitudes and beliefscan cause people to stop and not
move forward.
(09:21):
So you have this dream.
You know that it's aligned withyour purpose and passion, but
maybe there's fear, maybe thereis doubt, maybe there are other
things that may cause you fromeven going any further.
So they have a dream and thereare things that kind of keep you
from moving forward.
What would you say are the topone or two things that hold
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leaders back from pursuing theirdream?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (09:47):
Yeah, I think you tapped into it initially is
there's definitely the fearfactor, fear of the unknown.
Fear is very big.
So am I good enough?
Do I know enough?
Am I smart enough?
Will I have the rightconnections to make it happen?
Will I have enough money?
So it brings up all of thesequestions right.
So fear definitely is number onethat I hear with those that I
work with.
And then there's a self-doubt,there's this introspection into
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my own capabilities.
And then the third thing islack of support.
If I do this, who will bearound to help me?
Or who will buy the productthat I create?
Or who will buy the book that Iactually write, or who will
attend the event that I amcalled to launch?
So we have these fear factorsall around all of the what-ifs,
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and that diffuses or takes awayenergy from the things that you
should be doing to birth thedream.
We have our attention oftentimesin the wrong space, because you
can take the large picture and,once you identify the what, you
can then break down in smallsteps the how.
And as you lean into prayerabout the how, then God will
show you the next step.
He'll show you the people,he'll show you the places He'll
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bring the resources.
But we stay stuck in theheadspace.
So often when I'm doing mysessions, I ask them to assess
where is your dream?
It's in different spaces.
It's in the head space, it's inthe heart space, or is it in
your hand?
Is it in my head, where I justkeep thinking about it and
that's it.
I just ponder it, I think aboutit, I ponder it, I think about
it.
One day I'm going to be, Ithink about it, right, and so
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that head space is kind ofbounces around in the cerebral
cortex and everything's goinganywhere.
It just stays in the head.
That's great, but it's alsofrustrating.
Can you imagine if we had tostay pregnant more than nine
months, if we had to be pregnantforever?
Oh my goodness, that's what aslept dream is like being
pregnant forever.
No one wants that.
Belinda Gaston (11:33):
No, absolutely not.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (11:36):
Right.
So you have to find ways tomove from the head space.
Sometimes, depending on who youare and where you are in your
life, it might just be the heartspace, like you now feel it.
You know what is in your heart,you believe it like it's there,
but that's all you have is thebelief that God's going to one
day.
God's going to do it.
I feel it, I just know it right, and you're in that space and
you stay there forever fiveyears, 10 years, 15 years.
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But our goal, and what I do as adream activator, is to move
from the head, from the heart,into the place of the hands,
where you're in the doing space,where you're creating, you're
building, you're pulling in theresources, you're attracting the
people, you're ending up in theright places, and so this all
happens through prayer.
But no one births a dream alone.
This is where overwhelm can notbe overwhelming, because you
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onboard the help that you need,even when you're birthing a baby
.
We have midwives.
You know people that have theskill set to help you where you
lack, and they bring an extracomfort right.
When I think about when I waspregnant, it was going to the
Lamaze classes that broughtanother level of assurance.
Oh, maybe I can do this becausethey gave me strategic things
to do while I was going throughthe birthing process to birth
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successfully how to breathe, forinstance.
Remember that breathing process, breathing exercise right.
How to breathe when you begin tofeel the pain, and I think
that's something.
Else is that we want to.
Sometimes we're afraid of thepain or we don't want, we want
to skirt by the process, and sojust because I have a dream
doesn't mean it's going to beeasy.
Let me say that again.
Just because you have a dreamand especially a God dream, we
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think, because God gave it to us, it's going to be easy.
That's the problem.
Sometimes we feel like, asbelievers, oh, this is God's
dream, it's God's idea and it is.
But we expect it to be easy andthat's not how it works.
Every dream requires a process,a level of patience, sometimes
strategy, sometimes system.
Sometimes I have to hiresomebody to help me.
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I cannot do it on my own, sothere's a level of sacrifice
that's required of me in orderto get the help that I need to
make sure that I succeed.
Belinda Gaston (13:34):
Oh, you said some good stuff, Dr Joyce.
I feel like we need to go backfor a minute.
So a couple of things.
Listeners, I hope that you'regetting this and I hear you.
I heard your messages.
Thank you all for sendingmessages too.
I appreciate you connectingwith Graced Tlaib.
Keep it coming.
So I heard that a lot of ourguests just drop a whole bunch
of information and you're likewait, wait, wait.
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So let's just try to summarizehere for a second.
So we talked about Dr.
Joy said that there were threeprimary things that came to mind
when she thinks about whatholds us leaders back from
pursuing our dreams.
One of those was fear, theother was self-doubt and then
the third was lack of support.
So fear, self-doubt, lack ofsupport.
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And then she talked about sheasked us a question that I think
we need to pause for a momentand ask ourselves where is your
dream?
Is it in your head?
Listen, I'm a heady girl.
I go from head to heart a lot.
Ooh, I have it and I could justimagine.
So she talked about theheadspace.
Then she talked about the heartno-transcript want to talk
(15:06):
about, which will take us backbefore I go into my next area,
but I really hear clearly as youwere talking.
I heard that there are someleaders who are listening to
this and they will say well, shetalked about having a
grandmother who spoke to her, orshe talked about you know
someone giving a prophetic word,or I don't have any of that.
I didn't have anybody speakinglife to me.
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How am I supposed to even get adream or know that my dream is
from God, when I don't?
I'm in a place where no onearound me is a believer, no one
speaks encouragement to me.
I've had a hard space.
What would you say to thatleader in that space who may
feel like well, I think I have adream, but I'm not sure.
(15:48):
Or maybe I do have a dream, butno one's ever spoke to me about
it.
What would you say to thatleader listening?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (15:56):
I would say to I don't want to articulate this
I would say to look beyond whoyou expect to have spoken in
your life and look to hasalready spoken.
Go to the word of God.
That's the first place that Iheard about my dream.
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That was the first place that Isaw what God said about me.
It was the word of God, and Imean that literally.
I didn't grow up, even though Ihad family.
I didn't grow up with peoplegiving me positive comments and
words of affirmation and you'reso pretty.
I didn't have any of that.
I grew with low self-esteem, noself-esteem.
I've had abuse in my life andso, but what I realized is that
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I was God's daughter before Iwas my mother's daughter, and
looking at what God said aboutme is what first spoke to my
personhood.
And he began to speak to meabout my even in the word of God
.
Right, he let me know that I'mmore than a conqueror.
He said in Jeremiah before youwere even in your mama's womb, I
knew you.
So I had to lean into what Godsaid more than what people may
(17:03):
or may have not said, becauseI've been disappointed by people
and what I've learned aboutwhat I've also learned, belinda
is that when people give you allthe accolades, they can also
take those back.
They can also backstab, they canalso betray, but the word of
the Lord is the only thing thatstands sure forever.
And so I've learned to put myattention to what he has said,
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and that's where I found my ownfaith began to build.
That's where I began to see howmuch more of he was saying
about my own dreams and me beinga dream.
Activate her.
Because even when I first putout dream activator, I remember
someone that I respect, whoshall remain nameless, looking
at the phrasing, and I dreamactivator.
What is that?
That don't even make sense.
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But I knew what God said.
He gave me that before I evenknew what it was myself.
So I wasn't about to try todefend what God said.
I just needed to become what hesaid.
Does that make sense?
It does Become what he said andas I'm walking out what he says,
now they see what a dream actoris, dream activator is and what
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it means.
I don't have to explain it.
God's doing that for me.
And if you think about it, whenhe called Abraham he had to say
listen, come on out, away fromyour family folk, get away from
your kindred to a place that I'mgoing to show you.
So it took courage to step intothis space of marketplace.
I've only been known forministry for like 30, 40 years.
Everybody knows me evangelist,preacher, prophet, and so when I
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started leaning into themarketplace space, for sure they
were like oh you backslidden.
Oh you all about the money.
Oh you, I mean.
I had to listen to all types ofnegativity, but I knew what God
said because, again, it didn'tleave me.
I kept dreaming about it, itkept popping up, it kept
resurfacing, and so I was like,okay, god, one day in prayer, in
frustration I might be a littleahead of myself, but I remember
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one day in frustration I prayedout to God.
I said, if you want me to dothis activation thing, if you
want me to be a coach, I needyou to show me an example,
because I don't have any.
I don't have anyone in my spacedoing this and I prayed a
prayer and I logged ontoFacebook.
It was at midnight.
I logged onto Facebook and Iran across a video of a Japanese
man who was not of my ethnicity, not in my church circle or any
(19:10):
of that, but he was holding anevent.
It was a three-day event.
He was giving away free ticketsonly five free tickets.
It was $1,000 a ticket to getin that space.
I didn't have $1,000 at all,but I applied.
I was selected.
God brought me to that space asan answer to my prayer and he
(19:31):
began to show me more about whathe was calling me to do.
So if you're in that place, butyou're thinking, you're looking
for your family.
Many times people are saying Idon't have anyone.
They're thinking about theirfamily, thinking about their
friends, thinking about theirimmediate circle.
But can I tell you that God hasassigned strangers to help
birth your dream.
You may not even know them, butthey will have the anointing
and the Graced to carry youwhere others have dropped you.
(19:52):
So don't get stuck on thefamiliar.
God may have an unfamiliarperson that's housed with the
capacity to birth you and helpyou birth your dreams.
Belinda Gaston (20:05):
I got a little bit more second on this one yeah
, that's good, I think it'simportant.
So I'm pausing intentionallybecause I think somebody just
received that.
So, listeners, if that's you,you're not counting yourself out
, you can still birth that dream.
And so, dr Joyce, you talked alittle bit about marketplace in
(20:30):
your example of your prayer andthe answer to that prayer.
So let's talk about that for aminute.
How do ministry and marketplaceintersect in a woman's calling,
when they're a woman who leads?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (20:45):
Oh, child, that is a reason why I say it
like that is because it was anarea where I was so bifurcated,
so torn, because I kept tryingto segment and differentiate
between marketplace and tryingto be in two separate places
when I was one individual.
So I kept trying to make themseparate Right.
(21:06):
So I was like, okay, I justshow up in ministry, I only
preach, I only do this.
And then I turned that off andnow I go over here and in my
marketplace I can't show anyministry, show any ministry and
for my business blueprint it waskeeping me broke.
I was making no money in mybusiness after like six years
(21:27):
because I kept trying toseparate, because I failed to
realize that God wanted to useall of who I am in my DNA to
show up in every place.
So every skill set, everycredential, every certification,
every degree, God wants to usethat in all of the places that
you are called to serve and showup in Hope that this is making
(21:48):
sense.
So there is a convergence.
The reality is is that with myprophetic gifting, for example,
it absolutely informs everythingelse that I do in my
marketplace.
So I am a faith-based coach andwhen I coach my clients.
My gifting is what informs whattype of strategy I need to
(22:10):
implement, what type of goals,because I pray first that this
particular person may need.
It's not a cookie cutter, acookie cutter format or
blueprint.
I go to the Lord and hisprophetic insight through me
begins to show me what needs tobe done for this particular
client.
Now there's also a practicalskillset right, so I had to
(22:32):
learn.
That's why I didneuro-linguistic training.
This is why I did othercertifications, because I wanted
to understand how the humanmind function, how it makes the
decisions and choices that itmakes, so that I can partner
with them.
So they're not an alienation ofeach.
There is a convergence whereGod wants to use all that you
are and bring all of that to thetable.
(22:53):
Does that make sense at all?
Belinda Gaston (22:55):
It does.
I think what you're doing isgiving people permission to show
up fully, yeah, and this topickeeps coming up on this show, so
it's clearly something thatpeople need to hear.
One of our guests talked aboutyou know the process of becoming
.
Another one talked about youknow making sure that you're
(23:16):
bringing your whole self andeven I've talked about on this
show about my journey ofreleasing those segments and
really showing up in thecorporate world as Belinda the
leader, but also Belinda thewoman of faith.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (23:30):
There's wisdom with that, though too right.
So knowing how you present,based on the atmosphere, correct
, my anointing is my anointing.
I am an encourager.
Every room I step into, it'sjust a part of my DNA.
It doesn't matter if I'm havingcoffee with a friend, if I'm on
a pulpit ministering.
In fact, I was called intoministry to a place of healing
(23:51):
and deliverance when I wascalled in 1988, that's the space
of ministry God called me intowhy?
Because it has to do withhelping people get over a
process, getting unstuck,getting dislodged.
That's why I'm in ministry.
Same thing in coaching gettingunstuck, away from fear, getting
out of your stuck place,breaking limiting beliefs.
So my anointing and my Gracedis the same.
(24:11):
It just shows up differently inthose different platforms, if
that makes sense.
And so when I'm called to speakat a college, I'm not going to
speak in tongues and you know,roll around and grab the mic.
It's not the right platform forthat.
But the anointing that works.
The yoke to string anointingstill showed up the same and I
have proof of this receipts.
I spoke at a college here.
I forget the name of thecollege, shame on me.
(24:33):
I won't even say it on here andI was like but you can't be
churchy, you know, because shedoesn't have a church girl,
which I already knew, that.
But anyways.
So at first I thought maybe youwant to get someone else for
the assignment because I can bechurchy.
But the Lord reassured me thatno, this is ministry too and
this is part of your assignment.
So I accepted the assignment.
I go there and I speak, and whenI'm done I did not do any.
(24:56):
Thank you, jesuses, nohallelujahs, no amens.
But when I was done, the vicepresident of that college came
up to me and said it was sopowerful.
I don't even know what I felt,but I felt something.
The students that were there, Idon't know what.
Wow, I just felt like.
I just felt like now I know itwas the anointing and I know it
was the Holy Ghost.
(25:16):
My grandma would say right, butI didn't get it there and again
, be very demonstrative and yelland do like we would do in a
church environment, but theGraced to minister effectively,
even in the marketplace, waswith me, and so I want us to
really rest in the fact againthat God wants to use every part
of you as significant towardthe birthing and facilitation of
the dream that he's called youto do and to the people that are
(25:38):
assigned to your sound.
Belinda Gaston (25:40):
Yes, I appreciate you sharing that.
And even for me, I'm findingmore and more, I'm getting more
corporate kind of invitations,and I am ministry, even though I
am ordained minister.
But I do find that whenever Ispeak, even if it's in a team
meeting, that anointing is thereand I'm just now accepting that
.
And so, even if it's in a teammeeting, that anointing is there
and I'm just now accepting that.
So I hope, if you're listening,that you are hearing a couple
(26:04):
things.
I want you to know that yourdream matters.
I want you to know that thedreams that you have can be
birthed and we just gotpractical advice of moving that
from our heads out to our hands,right.
But I also want you to knowthat you can overcome those
barriers, those things that DrJoyce talked about the fear, the
(26:25):
self-doubt, the worry aboutlack of support and that as
you're birthing this dream, youcan do so as your whole self so
God created you as you and thatyou can bring your entire self
to what he's called.
In fact, I would say.
I don't know if you agree withthis, Dr Joyce, but I say that
your full self is required inorder for the dream to be
(26:48):
fulfilled.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (26:49):
I would agree with that.
And when you are walking in thefull expression of who you're
called to be and do and whatyou're called to do, then your
true audience can find you aswell and you don't have to go
hunt them down and beg foropportunities and beg for
clients and beg for customers.
The Graced in your life, whenyou walk in the fullest
(27:11):
expression of who you aresupposed to be, causes God to
illuminate you, causes thisemergence, this elevation of
people.
So now they begin to see youand pay attention Wow, who is
that what they're doing overthere?
Because now you're beingauthentic to yourself and not
hiding behind someone else'sGraced, not hiding behind what
your mother said or what yourleaders say you should be.
It's a requirement.
(27:32):
I would use that.
I haven't used that before, butI would agree with that.
That's absolutely true.
Belinda Gaston (27:38):
Yeah, so listeners, I hope that this is
helping you.
We are almost out of time, but Iknow it's been such a great
conversation, but, leaders, Iknow you have if you have
listened, listen if you have notlistened to the previous
episodes, cause I'm telling you,I love how God is connecting.
None of my guests knew thatthey were going to be guests.
In fact, dr Joyce doesn't knowwho else has been on the show
(28:02):
and some of the episodes haven'taired yet.
But when I tell you that God isconnecting every single episode
to each other, you have to goback and listen to the other
episodes, because God isbringing all of this together,
whether you are leading incorporate spaces, whether you
have your own business, whetheryou're leading in ministry.
You have to hear this.
But I would like to give DrJoyce a moment, because we have
(28:24):
some women listening who arelike yeah, I have heard this
before, maybe not in this way,but I had my dream, I did what
God said and I just feel likeit's enough, I'm ready to quit,
I'm ready to stop.
This isn't working.
I don't know what I wasthinking, and so I really want
to encourage that woman beforewe end this conversation.
(28:45):
So what would you say to thewoman?
What kind of encouragementwould you give to the woman who
is like forget this dream stuff.
I'm ready to quit.
I'm done.
What would you say to her?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (28:56):
I would say to you to believe God again.
I would say to learn to trustin yourself, because if God
trusts you with the dream, thenyou also need to trust that God
knows what he's doing concerningchoosing you.
And I would say to look inwardagain, but this time do it with
(29:18):
help, don't do it alone.
Do it with help, don't do italone.
Pause and pray.
Do an assessment, assess isthis still, was the dream I was
pursuing?
Was it the right dream?
Maybe it was somebody else'sdream for you?
So you should do a dreamassessment to make sure that
number one it's still the dreamthat God wants you to pursue,
that it's still the right timefor the dream.
(29:39):
And if that's the case, thenmaybe you need to invite someone
else on your dream journey.
That might mean hiring a coach.
That might mean investing,going back to school for some
reason to get another level ofcertification or skillset.
But I believe that if you justchange your heart toward giving
God another yes, he's gonna giveyou fresh insight concerning
the dream.
This time he's gonna show youwho can help you, how it needs
(30:01):
to be done, and he will evengive you I believe I'm going to
say it because I feel it rightnow, he will even give you the
finances that you need to investin your own journey.
I would say, too, belinda, tochange your perspective around
paying for things, because inthis season, you will need to
invest in your own journey.
It's an investment because whenyou invest, you can expect a
(30:22):
return, and that's what I had tolearn.
I had to begin to invest in myown journey instead of just
waiting on the profit side andthen what's going to happen?
No, there were things that Ihad to do from a practical place
to assure that my dream cameinto pass, but I think the
biggest thing, too, isdefinitely inviting someone
who's qualified and equipped onyour dream journey to help you
build.
That's what I would say.
(30:42):
But don't stop dreaming, and Iwould say don't wait, initiate.
Belinda Gaston (30:52):
I think that's a perfect place for us to end
this conversation.
Dr Joyce has said a lot.
If you were not able to takenotes as you listen, I would
encourage you to go back andlisten and I'm sure that by now,
dr Joyce there's some peoplewho are listening are like man,
I really want to connect with DrJoyce in a different way.
(31:12):
So can you tell people how theycan connect with you?
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (31:18):
Absolutely so.
I am Dr Joyce Gilmer.
I love to help women of faithwake up to their dreams, get
clear about their purpose andlearn how to profit from their
passion.
If any of that sounds like you,you can meet me on my website
at joycegilmercom.
That's G-I-L-M-E-R.
Joycegilmercom.
You can also find out moreabout me on Instagram at I am
(31:40):
Joyce GilceGilmer, and onFacebook at JoyceGilmerSpeaks.
Any of those places.
I'm excited about looking and Ilook forward to working with
you in the future.
Belinda Gaston (31:48):
Thank you so much and, for our listeners, we
will have all of the links inour show notes so that you'll be
able to reach Dr Joyce.
It has, as my grandmother says,been a plum pleasing pleasure,
dr Joyce, to have you on theshow.
I feel like we have a whole.
We need to do a part two ofthis conversation.
So, just in case I invite youback, let's have that part two.
(32:10):
But thank you for your time,your willingness and your yes,
it has been truly a pleasure.
Dr. Joyce Gilmer (32:17):
Thank you for having me.
My only complaint is that itwas too short.
Belinda Gaston (32:22):
Yes, time did fly.
Time did fly, so listen thoseof you who are Graced to Lead
listeners.
I appreciate you.
As always, I don't take yourlistening, your plugging in, for
granted.
You can always follow thepodcast.
Remember to follow the podcast.
You can subscribe on Apple andon Spotify as well.
Also, in the show notes,there's a way for you to jump on
(32:44):
and subscribe so you can stayup to date on what we're doing
at Graced to Lead.
I appreciate you listening.
Remember, until we meet againnext week, that you are indeed
Graced to Lead.
Bye-bye, thank you.
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