From Misconceptions to Intimacy: Holy Spirit - Your Constant Companion - GraceFilled Community

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Y'all All right, as we getstarted with today's episode, I
am again, I'm uber excited Idon't have another word for it

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other than uber excited, y'all,for the conversation we're going
to have today Prior to pressingthat lovely record button.
We just had some wonderfulconversation.
I know that our guest has beenthrough some things and can
speak into some of the very samethings that many of you are

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looking for wisdom and words andwords from the Lord on and so
I'm excited for the conversationwe'll have today.
Before we get into it, let mejust give a little quick
introduction on our guests.
Today we have Pastor Jael Dolan.
She's been a pastor for over 25years, from intern to executive

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pastor.
She currently is a speaker, anauthor of Christian books and a
church consultant.
She wrote a book on prayerentitled the Throne Room how to
Pray Powerful Prayers, and thena second book is about the Holy
Spirit, entitled Plugged in aHoly Spirit Connection for All

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of Us.
There is a third book comingout next month which will be
called Cancelled.
Jesus Never Cancels People.
Oh, I'm so excited to dive intothose books.
Y'all.
As always, you know, in theshow notes we have the books and
locations and where you couldtap into them, but I want to
dive right into our conversationbecause I know it's going to be

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good and I want all the timegoing that way, so help me.
Gracefield community.
Welcome our guest, pastor JLDoolin.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Hi guys, Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's been a pleasure in just the last 10 minutes to
chat with Nicole and I justcan't wait to see what God's
going to do and say and howwe're going to be able to
minister to you and really hopethis blesses all of you who are
listening.
I've been praying for you.
I really, this time reallyfeels sacred to me and I can't
wait to just be a part of whatGod wants to do in your life as
you listen.
I love it.
I love it.
So, man, okay, there's so manythings we could talk about.
I mean, just even thinkingabout your books, I'm like
prayer cancels.
Jesus never cancels, right, butHoly Spirit, holy Spirit, my
favorite topic, yes, mine too,mine too.

(03:46):
So I want to dive, like rightinto it.
So first thing I want to ask isyou know, often when we say the
word or term which we know weare speaking about, a person in
the Trinity right Holy Spiritwhen someone says like who is

(04:06):
the Holy Spirit?
Or there's others that refer towhat is the Holy Spirit Like,
what is your response to that?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, I usually just go back in my thinking, because
I didn't have the privilege ofgrowing up in a Christian home
and so I didn't understand.
So I remember being that personasking that question, going who
or what is the Holy Spirit?
And I'll be honest, I had areally distinct picture in my
mind and I pictured Casper thefriendly ghosts from the

(04:34):
cartoons, but wearing a t-shirtwith a cross on it and I was
like that must be.
Like he's holy, he's a spirit.
He's kind of creepy in my mindas a teenager growing up.
And so when I became a Christfollower around my freshman year
of high school, I was kind ofcreeped out.
I didn't understand that HolySpirit is a he, a person, not an

(04:57):
it or a thing.
I didn't understand that Icould have close personal
connection with him, understandthat I could have close personal
connection with him.
I didn't understand that hewanted to speak to me, that he
could illuminate the truth fromthe word.
I mean, there was so much Ididn't understand and as people
around me would just throw outthe term Holy Spirit, I was like

(05:18):
, ooh, I don't know what to makeof that.
And so now, having you know doveinto this in during Bible
college and throughout myministry the last 25 years.
I really quickly start byaddressing some of those myths
that I mentioned.
Like he's not an it, he's notcreepy, he's not lesser than God
the father or Jesus the son.

(05:39):
He's an equal member of theTrinity.
And I try to bring all of thosethings into perspective really
quick, especially if someone'smaybe like just not from that
church background.
You want to squelch those mythsand let them know the Holy
Spirit is the close personalconnection that we as Christians
can have with God and he'samazing and really fun.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yes, oh, absolutely Y'all.
I have, time and time again,countless stories where I'm like
Holy spirit, kind of funny, andyou actually are kind of fun
and you're not here to stop mefrom living my best life.
You actually want me to live mybest life with Christ, right?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yes, so true, I was teaching.
We have three boys and I wasteaching our youngest son.
He was like mom, tell me how tostart hearing the Holy spirit.
And so he.
We have three boys and I wasteaching our youngest son.
He was like mom, tell me how tostart hearing the Holy spirit.
And so he.
You know, I told him a bunch ofstuff that's important, that's
in my book, that's in the Bible,all that jazz.
And over a couple nights, andone night after I tucked him in
and kind of gave him anotherlesson on the Holy spirit, he

(06:46):
was down in his bed laughing,like giggling, and so, so you
know, I put on my mom hat, likeI'm gonna go down and be like
now it's time for bed and likeyou need to.
Da, da, da.
And he was talking to the HolySpirit and he was like mom, the
Holy Spirit's like telling mejokes.
And I was like this isbeautiful.
Who cares about school tomorrow?
Care, just do your thing.
And so the next morning, whenhe came up, I'm like tell me

(07:06):
more.
And he was able, at 10 yearsold, to just articulate
different jokes the Holy Spirithad told them and they weren't
funny to us, they were funny tohim because the Holy Spirit is
so personal and he communicateswith each one of our Christ
followers with such a personalintent, and so it's really

(07:27):
beautiful to see even kids, evensmall children, can understand
those things and be challengedby who the Holy Spirit is and
how he communicates.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, I love that, I absolutely love that.
I can imagine like going intohis room and be like what are
you cracking up at, right?
Yes, okay, so let's say youknow for the new believers, or
even you know.
I like to acknowledge thatsometimes we have individuals
that have been on this walk, inthis journey with Christ, but

(07:57):
because of some of those verymyths or some of those very
things that have happened orportrayed the Holy Spirit in a
unhealthy fashion, right, theyhave not been taught how to have
relationship with Holy Spirit,right.
And so, in that I want to askhow can a believer learn to hear
God's voice?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yep, this to me is the golden question.
As Nicole has been in ministry,I've been in ministry I would
say this is probably the numberone question I get asked is like
how do I know it's God or theHoly Spirit speaking?
How do I hear him for myself?
And that's pretty much thegolden question, isn't it?

(08:39):
And this is my answer is, firstof all, when we talk about God
speaking other than the writtenword, where of course, he speaks
through the word all the time,what we are talking about is
hearing God speak, and we alwaysuse the word hearing God speak,
and so people who don't know,they think it's an auditory

(09:00):
process, like we're going tohear him with our ears.
But I've never heard him withmy ears out loud.
But I hear the Holy spiritspeak to me every day, and so
the first thing I would say isyou're not looking for something
in your ears.
It's not audio.
What you're actually lookingfor is something deep down in

(09:20):
your belly and in my spirit.
When I think about this, I goright to Jesus words in John
seven and he says out of yourbelly, um.
The King James says belly.
The new living translation saysyour innermost being, the Holy
spirit, begins to well up and hebegins to spring forth like
streams of living water.
So when I'm working with abeliever who's like I

(09:43):
desperately want to hear Godspeak to me, this is what I say
to do.
I say listen, listen in yourspirit, listen down inside where
the spirit dwells and allow hiswords to kind of bubble up from
within.
When we have a word that kind ofoccurs to us from within,

(10:05):
there's some distinctives.
First of all, it doesn't occurto our brain.
It's not something that poppedinto our mind or our thinking or
our mental and most cases it'snot something that popped into
our ears, it's not oral, it'snot something we've heard, and
it's also first not something wenecessarily feel.
It's not an emotion or anemotion response to something

(10:27):
that's happened.
It's something down within uswhere the Holy Spirit dwells,
and it bubbles up.
And so I think it initiateshere.
It bubbles up to our heartwhere we might have a feeling
and if we're being faithful, wemight even be able to speak it
out.
And then, when we hear our ownwords, we're like, oh, that was

(10:48):
so profound.
I never thought that before.
And we're not being arrogant.
It's because we never thoughtit.
The Holy Spirit revealed thattruth and when I'm working with
young people which is the bulkof my early ministry I say when
you're, when you're like ridingin your car and you pull up to a
stoplight and the person nextto you has just got their base

(11:10):
cranked and the and you can heartheir song, but really you
don't hear it.
You hear it, you feel itrattling in your chest.
That's more how he speaks.
You're not hearing the base andthat's on that car next to you.
You're feeling it rattle andshake and that's the.
That it's like an internalsensing and that's the best,

(11:31):
like secular description, thewords I can put to.
The spiritual occurrence iswhen the Holy spirit is down
within in your belly and hebegins to rattle and spring
forth and speak.
You feel it more than you hearit.
And if you're waiting for, likesomething to come through your
ear canals, you're probablygoing to miss what God is doing

(11:51):
because that's really not how hespeaks.
And I think once you get pasthearing God speak and you
recognize it's a sensing, you'rea lot better set up to be able
to hear the voice of God.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yes, I absolutely love that.
You know, one of the thingsthat I think about when we talk
about like the Holy spirit isGod created this design, right,
like he created our makeup, andwe have this lovely thing called
intuition and I think thatsometimes, the believer, we
discredit that feeling that wehave inside of us, which really

(12:28):
is the Holy Spirit,acknowledging and giving us
guidance and wisdom, orsomething we have no clue of,
right?
I personally can think of, timeand time again, examples where
I was going one way and I havethis intuition like don't do
that, don't go this way, turnhere and take the longer route,

(12:48):
and then later I find out, oh,thank God, I avoided that route.
And so it's that innerintuition, truly, that can be
Holy Spirit inspired that Ithink sometimes, as a believer,
when we don't know, we willdiscredit, right, you know, when
people are trying to connectwith the Holy Spirit.

(13:10):
I think that there's also thisapproach to and I find that it's
this way even when we talkabout prayer, right?
People think like I have tostop all things in life, I have
to be on my knees, I might needa shawl, like I might need oil
next to me.
It needs to be a quiet spaceand so forth.
And I remember, you know, for meat one point in time, I have

(13:33):
four kids, one that resides inheaven, three living here
presently, and they're all teens.
So they were at one point threekids under three, all in
diapers, and I remember justsaying, like guys, like I'm
failing, like I can't, I don'thave time to pray, I don't have
the time to talk to the Lord, Idon't have time to anything.
And thank God for the womenthat go before us, right, the

(13:56):
women of wisdom, like that Tituswoman, right, and she was like
you have time, talk to him justlike you would any other time.
You don't need to be on yourknees, you don't need to show,
like while you're breastfeedingyou can say Lord, this is rough,
how are you?
Where are you today, like youknow?
But conversating with him inthe day to day end, right?

(14:18):
Yes.
So throughout that time of earlymotherhood, I learned that,
whether it's washing the dishes,whether it was breastfeeding,
even while I was changing thediapers, like when there was an
emotion I wanted to express,when there was a connection I
wanted to give, I, I very muchhad to think about it in the
sense of my husband.

(14:39):
I don't just say, hey, we onlytalk for these 20 minutes of
this day and it can only be inthis one bedroom, and it can
only be if I have everything setup.
No, it's inviting andconnecting with him on the day
to day of our lives.
And so when we talk about, likethe Holy Spirit and how people
can actually connect with theHoly Spirit, I would love to

(14:59):
hear your take.
Or like, how you connect withthe Holy Spirit, I would love to
hear your take on like, how doyou connect with the Holy Spirit
in your daily lives as we'regoing about our business?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right.
So what I think is so beautifulabout our ability to connect
with the Holy Spirit is there'sno waiting your turn, there's no
lines, there's no like you knowhe's busy, so your call went to
voicemail or he ghosted you onthe text back, like anytime you
want to have the lord'sattention and you want to talk
to the holy spirit, it'saccessible to you that.

(15:29):
That open communication isaccessible and he is right there
to hear you and I love that.
And for me it reminds me oflike a really good friend I had
in Bible college.
Her name's Jolene, and we arejust like soul sisters and
whenever before we got marriedwe were both single for most of
our twenties and we would calland talk to each other on the

(15:50):
phone for like four hours and wewould go on vacation and we
would just sit there at thepoolside and solve the world's
problems, like just in depth,long conversation.
But we both had kids at thesame time, we both got married
at the same time and we neverhad time to connect and so I
realized I had lost one of mybest friends because I wasn't

(16:12):
willing to just shoot her a textand be like thinking about you
today, jolene, praying for you,hope the girls are good,
whatever it is, and so I'vereally brought that into my
spiritual rising.
Like you said, during all thoseseasons we can talk, and
allowing it to be a text messagelevel communication with the

(16:33):
Holy spirit.
Simply a quick God, I love you.
Holy spirit, thank you for yourpresence.
Help me right now.
Or what do you want me to do?
Or I'm in a situation and I'mnot sure what to say.
He's going to give me the words.
The Bible says.
So like it's just this, turningmy heart and soul to him and

(16:53):
listening from within for thespirit to speak, and I just
think of it as like he'sconstantly.
I'm like constantly on the linewith him, like like a phone
call that never ends.
And it's okay If I'm like doingthe dishes in the background,
or it's okay if I'm walking thedog or if I'm changing the
diapers, but he's, he's there,he's with me in those moments

(17:18):
and he wants to talk.
Like he wants, like the Biblesays, he bends down to hear the
prayers and so he wants to hearwhat I have to say, even if it's
like ew, this diaper.
Or even if it's like I'm goingto kill this teenager if they do
not figure out their math.
Whatever it is, he wants tohear not just my requests and

(17:41):
yes, my Thanksgiving, but alsomy emotions and my frustrations,
my highs, my lows, just whatI'm feeling and just like any
friend, it's not a list ofthings, but it's a connection
that can occur and that's theintimacy that we really have
through the person of the HolySpirit.
And I used to think the besttime to be alive on the planet

(18:02):
was like when Jesus was here andthat we could just like go to
Galilee and we could walk thehills and see him feed the 5,000
.
I was like that would beamazing, but I realized Jesus is
telling us that it's better forus that he went away, that he
ascended into heaven, because itbecause he did that he gave us

(18:23):
the gift of the Holy Spirit.
And the Holy Spirit is ourteacher, he is our reminder, he
reminds us of everything Jesustaught us.
He's our comforter, ourcounselor, our advocate.
And if we didn't have the HolySpirit, we would have to travel
to Israel and stand in line likelonger than Disneyland lines
and wait our turn and have oneconversation and we'd probably

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forget something.
So we'd have to get back in theline and our whole life would
be waiting.
But with the Holy Spirit, it'sthat instant access that the
Father and Jesus the Son knew weneeded, and we can have it
simultaneously around the planet, all of us at the same time,
benefiting from the intimacywith the Holy Spirit.
And it's really sad to me thatso many people Christians aren't

(19:10):
ever taught and they don't everhave the privilege of learning
these things, and so it becomescreepy and mysterious and they
do not connect with the HolySpirit, and that breaks my heart
more than anything as a pastor.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yes, I absolutely agree.
I mean, when I think about,when you don't have an
understanding and connectionwith the Holy Spirit, you're
missing a part of the Trinity,Like you said, like the Trinity
is co-equal, co-eternal with God, Father, God, the Son and Holy
Spirit.
And so when I think about HolySpirit, right, I think about,

(19:44):
like God's presence and power,like guiding us, empowering us,
the Holy Spirit transforming ourlives by those moments of
wisdom and discernment.
And you know, Holy Spirit, ourhelper, right, the Holy Spirit,
I always say, like you, are theone that gives me the conviction

(20:05):
that I need right.
Right, don't do that, don't saythat, yes, you know even the
conviction process, and itactually grieves me to know and
meet individuals that are likehey, I'm connected with God, I'm
connected with Christ.
Um, but because of, like, wetalked about the myths or the

(20:26):
misconceived perceptions of whatthe Holy spirit or who the Holy
spirit is Right.
Um, and I say what?
Because of what do we go to theHoly spirit for?
Right?
When do we encounter the HolySpirit?
I think those are the mythsthat have led to people missing

(20:46):
out on one of the amazingpersons held within the Trinity.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Facts and what.
So I think it's in those lowpoints of life where the Holy
Spirit can really becomemeaningful in the life of a
believer.
I know for me that's where myrelationship with Holy Spirit
really grew and that's what Itry to teach our sons.
So recently one of our boys hadto have surgery and it was a

(21:17):
day surgery and it wasn't goingto be this huge big deal.
But he's a kid and so he wasterrified and he's like mom,
come with me.
And I was like baby, I can't gowith you through these doors
into the surgical suite, I can'tdo it, it's not allowed.
I was like but there is someonethat you can take and no one
can stop you, and that is theperson of the Holy Spirit.

(21:40):
Like Holy Spirit will go withyou into the surgical room, into
the funeral home, into thecourtroom, into the dark alley
and the bad, scary situation,and Holy Spirit will walk with
you.
Holy Spirit will comfort you,he will counsel and guide you,
he will lead you into all truth,and there's no person, no

(22:01):
government, no power that canstop Holy Spirit from having
that access in your life.
And so when you go throughthose things and Jesus told us
that everyone in this world.
You will have trials, you willhave tribulation, but take heart
, I've overcome the world.
We know we're going to gothrough dark alleys and
courtrooms and hospital roomsand we're going to lay in empty

(22:23):
beds with missing spouses atdifferent points.
It's going to happen and theHoly Spirit is the only reason
that I've come out of thoseplaces with my sanity and my
personhood intact, because hereminded me of the truths that I
could keep going.
He counseled me, comforted me.
He did those things and that'ssomething that I need for myself

(22:47):
and it's something I want mychildren to have and it's
something I really want to makeaccessible, that truth, for
every Christ follower, because Ithink Holy Spirit's what makes
Christianity fun.
It's what changes it from abunch of religion and rules and
a book to this vibrant, alive,connective process.

(23:09):
And when the Holy Spirit'spresent, he does, he speaks, he
challenges us, he gives uslittle assignments like go pray
with that person or go givemoney to that person you
wouldn't normally give money toor you are't normally give money
to, or you are going tovolunteer with this teacher in
this kid's classroom, becauseI'm calling you and you're going
to minister to that teacher andso suck it up.
But Holy Spirit gives thoselittle challenges and then you

(23:31):
get to start to see God's workunfolding in the world and
that's so exciting to be in theknow.
Like he told you to do it, youdid it.
You saw his work unfolding andit's like wow, I'm a part of
something so much bigger thanmyself.
Without the Holy Spirit, I don'tknow how you get to those cool
moments and I don't know how youget to see God's ministry

(23:54):
unfolding.
And so my heart breaks forthose people because they're
doing all the hard work offollowing Christ and reading the
scriptures and many Christfollowers that don't have the
Holy Spirit active in their life.
They study the word and theyknow it inside and out and
that's awesome, but I have theHoly Spirit reminding me of

(24:14):
what's in the word.
So it's not all up to me and mybrain, but it's up to what the
Spirit's work in me is, and Ithink it's like the hard part of
being a Christian without it'slike all the hard parts without
all the good parts.
If you try to just gut it outlike just Jesus and the Father
is all I need.
It's like man.

(24:34):
I need the Holy Spirit.
Yes, I'm sorry, I got to havethe Holy Spirit.
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Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, you know, as you were talking, I just thought
about John and I'm going toactually read this passage from
the book of John, chapter 14.
And I'm going to kind of go alittle bit.
I want to go 16 through 20,right, and I'm reading the
message.
So for our listeners it's John14, 16 through 20, right, and it
says If you love me, show it bydoing what I've told you.

(27:25):
I will talk to the father andhe'll provide you another friend
, so that you will always havesomeone with you.
This friend is the spirit oftruth.
The godless world can take himin, because it doesn't have eyes
to see him, doesn't know whatto look for.
But you know him alreadybecause he has been staying with

(27:49):
you and will even be in you.
I will not leave you orphaned.
I'm coming back in just alittle while.
The world will no longer see me, but you're going to see me
because I'm alive and you'reabout to come alive.
At that moment, you will knowabsolutely that I'm in my father

(28:09):
, you're in me and I'm in you.
And so I mean, first of all,that context had so much to it.
but the very first thing is I'mlike your friend, your friend
and I think that's the part thatI agree when, when believers do
not understand, like you have afriend and it's the Holy Spirit

(28:30):
and he has been provided to you, he is a gift to us, right,
that we can, like you said, takewith us always.
And the spirit of truth.
How many times do we say likeI'm trying to figure out what's
real, I'm trying to figure outwhat's authentic, I'm trying to
figure out what was truth inthis circumstance.

(28:51):
Well, that's who we go to, right, that's who we go to to
understand the truth.
I think, even, as you said, forthe word to come alive to us,
because we know that the word isa living word, right, it's the
Christ, is the word.
And so, in the understanding ofit, to see it alive, it's
through the truth, it's throughthe Holy Spirit giving us a
discernment, teaching the wordto us, right.

(29:11):
And then you know, the otherpart I love about that context
is how he says you're about tocome alive and you're going to
come alive because of the HolySpirit, right, and so you know,
I sometimes can push the buttonwith some of my words, but this
is what it makes me think If I'ma believer and I'm not

(29:33):
connected to the Holy Spirit, amI alive for him?
Because I'm missing out on thevery helper and the very one
who's, like you said, is givingme the guidance and direction
that makes this walk so exciting.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yes, Right and you know, I don't know if the it
seems to me that the soul ofevery believer has to be alive,
but maybe the walk is what'sdead.
Like the walking it out, itbecomes more religious and
arduous and that's maybe whatlacks the life.
But there's something.
Clearly we recognize thatthere's something wrong and I

(30:12):
think my heart and I know,nicole, I think I would speak
for you when I say this as wellisn't to harp or to judge those
who are in that position, but aspastors, we're sorry that no
one taught you, we're sorry thatthe teaching wasn't there for
you, that we didn't make theHoly Spirit more accessible in

(30:33):
your growing up in Christ andyour maturing.
Just as pastors everywhere, Ithink we should do a better job
of saying it's, he's not creepy,he's right there and here's how
you begin to connect with him.
And so if you just didn't havethat teaching and you're hearing
this and you're going, well, Ilack that.
I remember how that felt andthe very first time someone was

(30:57):
like hey, you can have the Holyspirit and you have.
I mean, when you get saved, youhave the Father, the Son and
the Spirit at some level.
But there's that secondexperience that is talked about
in the book of Acts, that whereyou can ask the Holy Spirit to
fill you or baptize you tooverflowing.
And I think a lot of believersdon't know that second

(31:20):
experience is available, but wefind it in scripture over and
over again in the book of Actsand when it comes he brings the
Holy Spirit.
When he comes to you, he bringsyou that fullness of life that
we've been talking about andit's a game changer.
But let's be real, sometimes inthe church it gets weird.
So my very first experiencewith the Holy Spirit I was at

(31:44):
youth camp and they taught abouthim is the first time I really
remember hearing anything abouthim and they're like if you want
to receive the Holy Spirit,come down and let someone pray
with you to receive the HolySpirit.
And really listener, if youhaven't had that chance yet,
find someone that you know isfilled or baptized in the Holy
Spirit and ask them to pray withyou to receive the Holy Spirit.

(32:06):
So I, like 15, 16 years old, Igo running down to the altar to
be prayed with and this sweetolder lady, she laid her hands
on me and began to pray that Iwould receive the Holy Spirit,
and I think she was loved theLord but was just misdirected.
And so when I didn'timmediately receive the Holy

(32:28):
Spirit in the way that shethought, she like straight up
grabbed my ears and began topull on them and kind of shake
me and luckily I know my youthpastor saw it and he came
running, intervened and taughtme the right things.
But I go back to that moment inmy mind and I say, man, thank
you Lord that I did not shun theHoly Spirit because of one

(32:51):
awkward Christian or onemisguided Christian or one weird
experience experience.
And I just want to say to allthe Christians out there that
maybe are fearful of like tryingto connect with the Holy Spirit
because of one experience orone weird person the Holy
Spirit's not weird.
People are weird and sometimespeople make him come off weird,

(33:14):
but he's not the one who's weird.
And so don't allow the enemy tocause one weird church
experience or one weirdconversation about the Holy
Spirit to freak you out and makeyou go.
Ah, I gotta, I can't go thereagain because it's worth
overcoming that weirdness.

(33:34):
I don't I don't know if you'rethis is kind of random but like,
imagine that you're like datingsomebody or like getting to
know them.
And in that um, in the middleof that getting to know them
process, they say something likeI love cats and you're not a
cat person, and so youimmediately are like, oh, I
don't want to be, I don't wantto continue this.
But what they were trying tosay is I like cats to be far

(33:57):
away from me.
But you didn't hear the wholecontext and so you reject that
person.
Maybe they were the love ofyour life, and I use that to
kind of go all right.
So many people have heard alittle bit about the Holy Spirit
but they haven't heard thewhole picture and they reject
the Holy Spirit, assuming it'sweird or creepy or not for them,
and they decide they don't wantto have that experience.

(34:19):
So they push it away.
But really, if they would justcome back to the word and get
good teaching on Holy Spirit,they would realize he's the love
of their life, he's everythingthey've been looking for.
But people kind of can taint itor make it a little bit weird
and we as believers we have tobe mature enough to push through
that weird and choose toencounter him for who he really

(34:43):
is.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Right, absolutely, and very true point.
And, arne, I mean couldn't havesaid it best.
If you are listening and youare a believer and, like I, have
not connected with the HolySpirit, I have not had someone
pray for me or the Holy Spirit,I have shunned away from it.
You know, we always say this atGrace Field Community like this

(35:04):
is what grace is right, it isgiving you truth, because we
want better for you and we fullyrecognize that past experience
have shaped how you seesomething today, and so we're
helping you create a newexperience in it right.
And so in that you know, I Ialso consider Holy Spirit when
it's been misused or abused,right, when his name has been

(35:30):
misused or abused, you know, Ithink about circumstances where
being in the church, right, andit's like, well, the Holy Spirit
told me that you need to dothis and I'm like I don't know
if that's you know, but then youput a name to it, you put the
Holy Spirit to it, and we havesome listeners that maybe you
have connected with the HolySpirit but maybe you've

(35:51):
experienced some hurt by someabuse that has happened in it,
right.
Or you know there is thisconcept too of the Holy Spirit
can give us a direction and itmay not be the direction that
our humanity wanted to sit in.
You know, I think about often,like there's been times where
it's like, okay, you know, theHoly Spirit told me to maybe

(36:15):
take this job, and then I getinto that job and I'm like this
is the worst, like this is sohard and this is so tough and
what I was doing before was easy, but he placed me into an
uncomfortable.
But in that uncomfortability iswhere I grew, right.
But I could.
I have two choices I could stopin that uncomfortable space and

(36:35):
be like I must have missed theHoly spirit, I'm out, or I could
sit in it and grow in it, towhat he had for me.
And so I think those are twoscenarios where we also see it
become a barrier to someoneconnected with the Holy Spirit
of either maybe there's beensome abuse where someone has
used his name inappropriately,right, or or or the aspect of,

(36:58):
hey, you listen to the HolySpirit and maybe things didn't
go the way you wanted it to go.
So you, you were like thiscan't be it, right.
Oh yeah, I think, even as aparent, right.
I mean, we have aspects where Ihave three kids.
I remember when they wereyounger it would be like, well,
so-and-so said that.
You said I'm like, when did Isay that?

(37:19):
Like, did I say that?
But as a they knew, well, if Isay mom said or dad said, then
they're going to do it.
And so sometimes that happensbecause we are human and we have
this humanity concept within usright.
And so sometimes there areindividuals that have abused
that.
So I would you probably aregoing to answer what I was about

(37:43):
to ask, but please go ahead.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yes, I would.
I would.
You probably are going toanswer what I was about to ask,
but please go ahead.
Yes, so I I think it's so greatthat you're pointing this out,
because I think a lot of peoplein the church have been hurt by
exactly what you just said.
There are abuses of the HolySpirit's authority and voice and
we need to be really authenticabout that, because it's causing
people to be wounded, it'scausing people to leave the
church and it's causing peopleto reject the Holy Spirit.

(38:08):
And I think you have to do acouple of things, and in my book
I have like a whole chapterabout exactly what to do, how to
know if it is the Holy Spiritspeaking.
So one of the things that Icome back to, of course, is the
person must be professing Christas Lord.
The Holy Spirit is not going tospeak through someone who

(38:29):
doesn't profess Christ so that'sthe obvious one but not just
profess him by name, but issubmitted to his lordship.
No one can say Jesus is Lord,meaning he's the boss, he's the
leader.
So if the person giving you aword isn't under Christ's
Lordship and following Christ'sauthority in their own lives, I

(38:50):
would not heed that word.
The next thing is he's nevergoing to give a spoken word to a
believer or to ourselvesdirectly.
That contradicts his writtenword.
So his written word is withoutpollution.
It doesn't have that humanityfactor that you were talking
about, Nicole.
It's not air.
There's no air in it.
Where a prophetic word that wereceive from the Holy Spirit, we

(39:14):
can get a little bit of flesh,a little bit of personal agenda
in that.
And so the spoken word to ourspirit must align with the
written word every time.
You should be able to find acouple verses even to support
the premise, two to three versesto support the premise of
what's happening.
Now, obviously he's not goingto say, if he says, take this

(39:34):
job, it's not going to say,chapter and verse, take this job
at.
You know, Reynolds Polymer,it's gonna.
But there's going to bespiritual principles that you
should be able to find in theword to align.
The third thing I see is that atrue prophetic word from the
Holy Spirit should beaccompanied with the Spirit's
peace.
So there should be I'm doingthis with my hands, if you could

(39:58):
see me, because it's like youfeel this peace in your soul.
Where the Holy Spirit dwellsdown within you, you sense a
peace.
And even if the word iscorrective, or even if the word
is uncomfortable, like youtalked about, you're like I can
sit in this discomfort becauseof the Holy Spirit's peace.
That is passing myunderstanding and so I can stick

(40:20):
with it.
And when it's not the HolySpirit, it's accompanied with
like a friction, like somethingabout it.
It's angsty.
You're angsty in that momentand the Holy Spirit is saying no
, that's not the direction theHoly Spirit's providing.
That nails on chalkboard kindof feeling in your soul where

(40:41):
you're like, ooh, I reject thatchalkboard.
Kind of feeling in your soulbut you're like, Ooh, I reject
that.
And I think when it's reallyimportant, when we're bringing
words to consider those things,and it's also important to when
we're the one giving the word,to not borrow the Holy Spirit's
authority unless we'recompletely confident, so many

(41:02):
times I will say I think theHoly Spirit might be saying X, Y
, Z.
Instead of the Holy Spirit saysto you X, Y and Z, because
every other believer, they needto have permission to evaluate.
And over and over it says inthe epistles to like evaluate.

(41:27):
And over and over it says inthe epistles to like take, to
take the word in and to considerit.
And so when, when I speak aprophetic word from the Holy
Spirit to a fellow believer, Ialways I want them to compare it
to scripture.
I want them to compare it tothe Spirit's leading of peace.
I want them to feel for thatconviction, I want them to
evaluate the fruit of my lifeand see if I'm submitted to his

(41:48):
Lordship.
And so I try to.
I try not to overstate and saythus sayeth the Lord, or the
Holy Spirit said, but give theimplication, Like I think, that
I'm hearing this from the HolySpirit, and I really want you to
consider what the spirit issaying.
And here's what it is Becausewe can, we can abuse people like

(42:10):
it's happened, it's happened tome, it's happened around me,
and that's part of what can makethe Holy Spirit come off as
weird to Christians.
Because we can, people can feelthat word didn't land right, it
wasn't authentic, and so then,therefore, they repel the spirit
rather than recognizing.

(42:30):
No, that's one person in onefunky situation where they ate a
burrito and it's not sitting.
Well, push that one thing away,but let's not push away the
Holy Spirit.
And I think it's reallyimportant to slow down and to
consider those things.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Right, absolutely, those are some amazing tips.
I'm so excited for your book.
Can't wait to have it bereleased and tap into it.
Truly, I'm excited to order it.
You know, one thing that yousaid really brings up something
that was given to me in my youngstages of walking with the Lord
was in when I received theprophetic word.

(43:10):
It should be a confirmation ofsomething that was already like
sitting in my spirit orsomething he's already spoken to
me, right, and so I hold thatto be very true.
When I compare the times thatI've had prophetic words and
throughout this walk, I've hadmany, and I actually have a
Google Doc where, a few yearsago, we were selected as

(43:32):
presbytery candidates within ourchurch, and so that's when kind
of you have some propheticleaders and they come and they
speak into you and they pray forweeks and you know, listen to
the Holy Spirit for guidance forthese words, and so at that
time, when I was preparing forand they let you know like, hey,

(43:54):
you've been chosen, so you taketime to also like, we fasted
and we prepared our heart toreceive and so forth, and one of
the things that the Holy Spirittold me to do was to go back to
all my prophetic words and typethem out.
And I remember thinking likeman, I started getting prophetic
words.
I was like eight or nine, likehow am I going to?
You know, go back and rememberthese things?
And I have some Bibles.

(44:14):
I mean, if you're watching orit's on that side, like my Bible
.
People are like I've had peoplegive me Bible covers because my
leather is like falling off,like I walk.
You see a trail of where I'vebeen walking right, yes, uh,
it's, but it's my favorite bible, like that's my one.
But you know, I I started typingout these prophetic words and

(44:35):
in it it was like you can see,like confirmation after
confirmation, after confirmation, and then I started seeing
where, oh, and I'm looking athim like oh, lord, you did, you
did this, or, lord, youconfirmed this, or, and I seen
it happen over time.
And so now I'm sitting withlike 20 plus years of this
google doc of prophetic wordsand when I look back, absolutely

(44:58):
every time a word was given, itwas a confirmation of something
that I truly had alreadyreceived, something that I have
already received, whether fromhis word, and let me say, when
it was a correct prophetic word,right, something that I
received from his word orsomething that he had spoken to
me that truly I probably waswrestling with and needed that

(45:20):
confirmation of that additionalform of like.
This is what I have for you,right, because sometimes we can
have a peace, and a peace by theword, not a peace in the
uncomfortability about where weneed to go with it.
Right, and I don't know aboutthe listeners and I don't know

(45:40):
about you, but I'll talk aboutmyself.
I have been there where I am,gideon, and I'm like well, lord,
show me another side.
Well, lord, give me anotherside.
Right, and he's like I'm surehe's probably like child If you
would just do it.
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Right, it's so true.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yes, but I think even in that that's his sweet
sovereignty to us, where, whereGod has given me prophetic words
, it's like confirming the verything that I'm wrestling, not
because I don't have peace aboutit, but because it is moving
into something that maybe I'muncomfortable with in my
humanity, and so I absolutelylove the points you give.
In that peace, one is huge.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I think it is.
And another thing I would kindof add is so say that you're
married and you receive aprophetic word.
It should also resonate withyour spouse.
If you're tied in at your localchurch, which hopefully you
guys all are, there should besomeone, a pastor or someone
that you can also share thatprophetic word with, and it

(46:38):
should also resonate with peoplewho know you well and there
should be, like this multitudeof believers.
That's like yes, this makessense and like a groundswell
because the Spirit's in all ofus as Christ followers and so we
should all.
It should the Spirit.
When I hear a good propheticword for someone I know, the

(46:59):
Holy Spirit within me leaps,almost like what's described in
Luke 1, where Elizabeth and Maryencounter in the child.
You feel that leaping insideyou from the spirit to kind of
confirm it for another believer,and so you don't want to go
around and take a poll it's nota voting situation but trusted,

(47:21):
small, close, intimate spouse,pastor, small group leader,
someone really, really tight andsay this is what the prophetic
word was.
My husband and I are in unitywith this.
Does this seem scripturallyaccurate to you?
Especially if you're a youngerbeliever, that can be a really
helpful, a really helpful stepand kind of.

(47:42):
While we're talking about peace,I'd love to throw this in I
think that when we feel thepeace of the Holy Spirit, it's
like one of those really greatsoft baby blankets that we get
when we have babies, and likethe silkiness and you can, the
spirit is just like.
It just kind of touches yoursoul the same way that soft baby

(48:02):
blanket would touch your face.
But when the Holy Spirit'strying to bring conviction, that
feels like sandpaper.
And so when he's like no, no,no, no, no, and that's like a
frictiony feeling that you get,and that's from the Holy Spirit
too, and you can have peace eventhough it's corrective.

(48:23):
And you can have peace evenwhen though it's corrective, and
you can have peace even whenit's sandpapery conviction,
because the peace is letting youknow this is what I'm doing and
it's not.
This is what I'm saying.
It's not right, don't do it butyou feel a peace, even as you
feel a little bit roughed up.
And so it's really important tobegin to like recognize the
Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, which is made up of our mind,

(48:47):
our will and our emotions, andso our emotions are going to
encounter Holy Spirit.
We don't want to run away withour emotions, but we can include
those in the decision-makingprocess to recognize that it is
the Holy Spirit speaking to us.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yes, absolutely I love that analogy the baby
blanket and the sandpaper.
Yes, absolutely I love thatanalogy the baby blanket and the
sandpaper.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, I put that on my TikTok last week and people
were like yes oh, that is a itjust makes sense you can feel,
you know what it feels like andif you've never felt the Holy
Spirit in those ways, maybe youhave, but you didn't know what
you were feeling for and sohopefully that kind of helps
people recognize.
Oh, I have felt that, I justdidn't know it was Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right, and I think you know, earlier in this
episode you talked about howyour son was having a
conversation with Holy Spirit.
He's like Holy Spirit istelling me jokes and they were
jokes that were funny to him,Right, yeah, and I think even in
that aspect, like the way theHoly Spirit has to speak to me
is the way that I need toreceive it and and I recognize
you guys part of my daily thingwith the Lord is that's right,

(49:51):
You're in control and not me,right?
As much as a planner I am a youknow, person that runs multiple
businesses, is used to being inthe leadership and the control
side of stuff.
Like, when the Holy Spiritspeaks to me, he has to speak to
me one way.
It has to be pretty much directand I probably get that
sandpaper quite often side ofthings, right, yeah.

(50:13):
And so it's also important tounderstand how do you receive
even you know how do you receivelove?
How do you receive correction?
Because the Holy Spirit knowsthose intimate things about you
and that's how he comes to you.
He will come to me differentlythan he will come to pastor JL,
that he will come to my husband,that he will come to a child,

(50:36):
Like he comes to me in the waysthat I will receive him.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yes, and that that makes sense.
Sometimes people get freakedout by stuff like that because
they're like well, are yousaying the Holy spirit is
changing, but you're not.
But it.
We all have a different like.
I have a different relationship, a different way of talking and
communicating with my husbandthan I do my children.
I talk differently to my bossthan I do my bestie.

(51:02):
It's the same.
It's still me, it's stillauthentic to me, but I interact
in those different relationshipsdifferently because of who they
are and and our relationalconnection.
And Holy spirit is smarter thanI am.
So he's obviously going tointeract with me differently
than my 13 year old teenage boy.
He's obviously going to talkdifferently to my grandmother,

(51:24):
who's so frail and gentle, sodifferently than my 13 year old
teenage boy.
He's obviously going to talkdifferently to my grandmother,
who's so frail and gentle, sodifferently than my rough and
tough business owner husband.
And so, like all of these, justlike I do, holy Spirit does too
.
He knows the language, theemotion, he knows what's going
to convince us.
He, he, he, he knit us togetherin our mother's womb Right.
So, even better than we knowourselves the thing that we're

(51:47):
looking for, Right?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
So, yeah, you know, I think very much so too, like as
a parent.
You know, I have three kids,like I said, teenagers all
around the same age, and it'sincredible how the very same
goal that I have to talk to eachof them I cannot talk to my
daughter the same way I wouldtalk to my oldest son.
Like you know, I can't.

(52:09):
She's gonna be like why do youhate me?
Like you know, my oldest son islike can you just give it to me
direct?
I don't want the fluff, Justtell me what it is.
I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
You know, I feel like my one son is like a fragile
piece of China and my other sonis Tupperware and if I don't
like beat that truth, he doesn'teven feel it.
I'm like smacking it aroundwhere my other son would
fracture to a million pieces andHoly spirit knows that about
all of us.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Exactly, I know, I joke all the time.
One one of mine.
When they were younger, like I,you would just start saying
words and they would be like I'mso sorry.
I'm like, oh, I can't evendiscipline you now I feel bad,
like you know so true yes.
Well, oh, my goodness, Uh, I Ihave loved our time together.
Um, I truly look forward tomore intentionality with just

(53:00):
getting to know you more.
I'm so grateful for you joiningus on a podcast today.
Please tell our listeners wewill have links in the show
notes, but please just tell themhow can they stay connected
with you.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Okay.
Well, if you're looking for thebook that we've been talking
about, plugged In A Holy SpiritConnection for All of Us, that's
kind of my life goal.
How do I help Jesus and God beaccessible to every believer
Plain language teaching.
It's available on Amazon.
And then my other book wedidn't get into this too much,
but this one's called the ThroneRoom how to Pray Powerful

(53:33):
Prayers also on Amazon.
That's probably the easiest way.
And then my third book is comingout, probably within the month.
It's in the final stages ofediting.
It'll be available on Amazonand it's going to be called
canceled and it's I.
I'm so excited about this,probably because I'm writing it
right now, but it's all about,um, how Jesus doesn't cancel
people, he cancels conditions.

(53:55):
So he finds the woman withinthe issue of blood and he
doesn't just cancel her, heheals her, but then he connects
with her and he draws her in.
And Jesus doesn't cancel mewhen he finds me in my sin, but
he cancels my sin.
He doesn't cancel me when I'min shame, but he cancels my
shame.
He cancels my brokenness.

(54:16):
He cancels my loneliness.
And how does he cancel thosebroken conditions in me while
still keeping and embracing me?
That's the whole third book.
Super excited It'll be onAmazon.
I'm on TikTok JLDolan is myhandle, facebook, instagram, all
the things I post my teachingsup there and then I speak and

(54:37):
travel.
So you can find my website atJLDolancom.
And, yeah, I just speak atwomen's events or churches or
retreats, youth camps, all kindsof youth stuff.
So, yeah, whatever, I just loveministering to the body of
Christ and I love to be ablessing, so hopefully I was to
you all today.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yes, I love it.
Well, I know you were to me andso again, I'm so grateful for
our conversation.
I immediately I'm like I wouldlove to do a women's conference
with you, Like we need to be inthe same spaces, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yes, let's do it, that'd be, so fun.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
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