May 23, 2025 • 53 mins
Tracy Spiaggia delivers a holistic perspective on mental health that integrates physical wellbeing, family dynamics, and spiritual faith. She challenges conventional approaches to mental health by examining the physiological root causes behind emotional struggles rather than simply medicating symptoms.
• Mental health symptoms often stem from physical imbalances like nutrient deficiencies, gut dysbiosis, or toxicity
• Modern culture has devalued the vital role of mothers in the home, creating unsustainable expectations
• Understanding marriage as a reflection of the Trinity helps establish healthy family dynamics
• Chronic stress creates hormonal imbalances that lead to physical deterioration and mental health issues
• Women must balance self-sacrifice with proper self-care to maintain health and wellbeing
• God designed different seasons of life that allow for both career and family, but not always simultaneously
• Faith provides a framework for finding peace during difficult seasons rather than avoiding discomfort
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is Nicole Cater, your host, founder and
servant leader of GracefieldCommunity.
I want to thank you for tuningin to Gracefield Community
Podcast.
This is a safe space, a placein which we just share stories
of how God has touchedindividuals' lives all across
the world and how they are nowimpacting the kingdom of God.
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Thank you for tuning in.
Blessings to you.
Hello Gracefield communitylisteners.
As always, I'm excited foranother impactful episode coming
your way.
Today we have a very specialguest.
I believe that this recordingyou are going to find to be
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impactful on your mental health,on your physical health and, as
always, emotional and spiritual.
But this guest today definitelyis going to explain to us some
details of how our physical bodyplays a role, even with our
mental health.
And, of course, we know it allconnects, and so I want to thank
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you for joining us today andlistening, in viewing in.
Welcome to Graceville community.
Help me give a very warmwelcome to Tracy.
Hello Tracy.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hi Nicole, Thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Absolutely.
It is my pleasure because I'mexcited to learn and receive my
very own self today.
So please tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Please let our audience knowwhy they should even be tuning
into all the wisdom that you'regoing to impart our way.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, fantastic, my name's Tracy.
Tracy Spiaggia.
My last name's a little tricky,so if you're wondering how to
say it, that's how to say it.
I am a mental healthpractitioner.
I am in this space in a prettyunique way.
I still find myself strugglingto find colleagues doing
approaching mental health thesame way that I do most, most
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especially from a faith centeredperspective, but but coming at
the this crisis that we findourselves in right now, from the
perspective of not just thebody but the holistic living of
each of each person and eachperson trying to find that sense
of balance in their mind, intheir mood, in their
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relationships, in their work andall other aspects of life.
So, of course, like thetraditional, like almost a knee
jerk approach, if somebodybegins to struggle is, of course
, to go seek professionaltherapy and perhaps have some
medication intervention.
Those things are fantastic andwe're so grateful for those
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inroads.
But what is so overlooked, notonly in mainstream medicine but
in my opinion, sadly from thepulpit, so to speak, is the
prioritization of the body thatoftentimes people have profound
struggles with what it's a verylarge umbrella term to just say
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mental health.
It means so many things butwe're not really guided and led
by, you know, the leadershipwithin the church and within the
medical community, thatstewardship of the body is a
critical component of how thebrain itself shows up.
There's something in my spacewhich is functional medicine.
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I'm not sure if you're familiarwith that terminology, but in
functional medicine there's thisidea of false moods and
somebody can present, let's say,for example, false moods, and
somebody can present, let's say,for example, somebody
struggling with severe anxiety,which I mean who can't relate to
that.
But but that main, thatmainstream kind of conventional
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approach somebody may be openingup about circumstances in their
life, perhaps in present day orperhaps in their past, and
they'll kind of use talk therapyto navigate that tricky terrain
.
And then medication istypically prescribed, and the
vast majority of medications formental health are prescribed
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from just general practitionersor practitioners without that
specific training, unfortunatelyso.
But but what happens if thatanxiety is a presentation of a
mineral imbalance in the body,of something called gut
dysbiosis, where there is, youknow, profound disease within
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the gastrointestinal tract, orif they're a person suffers from
heavy metal toxicity, or moldtoxicity, or parasite infection,
or nutrient deficiencies,chronic dehydration?
There's so many physiologicaldrivers for anxiety that aren't
really appreciated and examined.
And so when we medicate to tryto get the uncomfortability of
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anxiety let's call it physicaltension, racing heart, perhaps
even panic attacks when we tryto medicate that away, we never
really get the opportunity touncover what's pushing that,
what's driving all of thosesymptoms.
And I find that to be quitetragic that, you know, we never
really get.
I feel like, as practitionerscollectively, we shouldn't be.
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I feel like, as practitionerscollectively, we should.
We shouldn't be afraid ofcoming alongside somebody in a
season of suffering and say howabout we just sit with it for a
bit?
How about we just kind of sitwith this for a bit, get curious
around it and appreciate andmake sure every person
understands part of being humanis being uncomfortable in many
different ways.
It's, it's just, you know,pressing into the Lord, asking
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for the Holy spirit to guidethat journey of relief.
But being okay saying some daysare good and some days aren't
so great.
Just like the weather, Somedays it's so beautiful and sunny
and some days it's reallystormy, some days it's just
overcast and cloudy.
It doesn't have to be sunnyevery day for us to rejoice in
being alive, you know.
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So for me as a functionalpractitioner, that's more the
approach I take.
It's definitely holistic.
So we we look at all of thosepotential physiological drivers.
We look at familialrelationships as something that
I have a lot of training in,specifically in attachment
theory, and just trying toexplore.
Are you feeling depressed?
Are you feeling anxious?
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Is there a lack of attentionbecause of just trying to avoid?
We tend to kind of avoid thoseharder things, so maybe
attention can't sit on somethingfor terribly long, maybe a lot
of that is actually within therealm of normal.
So, helping people kind ofexpect relational strife and
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then the therapeutic approachthen is to kind of equip you to
navigate that well, to expressgrace.
If the Lord has called us to beforgivers and he's called us to
be grace-filled like your, likeyour show, we have to then, of
course, be presented withopportunities to become those
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things, to express those thingsand give those things away.
Right, the context is like yes,all strife, right?
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, the very first thing that came to mind,
and probably because this isreally fresh, my husband and I
just taught a class yesterdaythat was conflict resolution and
how to rebuild trust, right,talking about the rupture and
the repair.
And one of the scriptures thatwas kind of the foundational
point was Romans 5, 3 through 4.
And it's not only so, but wealso glory in our sufferings,
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because we know that thesuffering produces perseverance,
perseverance, character andcharacter, hope.
And we like to call it like ourmath formula of our household,
right, but that is the realityis that I think in our day and
age, and especially, like yousaid, in the church, it's so
much of the message of, yay,everything's going to be great,
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or, you know, come to Jesus andlive a great life and, yes,
absolutely, live that abundantlife.
It does not remove us from thesuffering.
It says that we will sufferwith Christ, right, and it does.
It produces that character,produces that hope, while we
persevere through it.
And so I like how youacknowledge not running from it
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but sitting in it, right,there's a reason why we have
lamentations, right?
Sometimes we need to lament andsit in it so that we can have
that perseverance, we candevelop that character and sit
in that hope.
Because there's a reality thatonce you come out of something,
then it encourage you.
When the next thing, when thatthing comes back along, you're
like, oh, I've overcame thisbefore.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I love the work that you're doing, especially
combining, of course, the faithaspect, the spiritual practices
I'm huge and graceful communityabout.
We're physically emotional,spiritual, physical, emotional,
spiritual and mental right, like.
Those are all the componentsthat we have to be mindful and
care for because they all worktogether.
One of the things that I reallyam excited to dive into because
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I, as a mother, a homeschoolingmom of three teenagers, a wife,
I know the weight that itcarries, often mentally and
emotionally and on our physicalbody, and I was just watching a
podcast which, yes, I'm sharingwith you listeners.
I am definitely in thatperimenopause stage.
Like my family is like can younot have the temperature at 60
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degrees in the house?
And I'm like it's still hot,okay, so I want to have a
discussion about what it lookslike for the role of moms.
Will we consider our mentalhealth and our physical health?
And, yes, I'm curious andexcited to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh, they are so many.
And you really just kind oftapped the geyser because, like
mom's role, I got to tell youthat, nicole, this has been for
as long as I can remember.
Even as a young teenager, I canremember being so enthralled
with the idea of family and thevery unique position and power
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of mom.
You know, like every otherperson in the world, I had my
fair share of dysfunction in thehome and I had my fair share of
function.
So, and I'm grateful for all ofit, I just can always remember,
I can't remember a time where Ididn't look at the mom as the
solution to so many of thesocietal ills we suffer today.
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And this kind of it reallyreminds me so much of the
temptation in the garden, whereit was Eve who was tempted away
and then Adam not stepping intoleadership and trying getting in
between her falling prey to thetempter, right, because's his,
his role is to protect and toshield, but he was more passive
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and she was more aggressive andshe fell for um, the lie that
god alone is not enough, right?
Yes, I feel like we are fallingfor the same lie over human
history.
Now you know that that's,that's likely, the way god will
carry out the narrative of thehuman experience and to populate
his kingdom with the expressionof free will that, yes, I
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choose you, lord.
I understand all of that.
There's much still to learn andto glean from scripture.
So when we take that account ofthe original fall, that
original sin, we can then, if we, if we can be courageous enough
, we go in and figure out how amI also falling prey?
And I feel like one of the morebroad stroke ways we, as as
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women, have fallen for a similarlie is believing our values
found outside the home.
And I mean you and I both haveto come to terms and agree.
We both love work and love theidea of a career.
We love impact, we love thatright.
The lie that we fell for is notthat we should go and pursue
those beautiful things.
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The lie I believe we fell foris that we can have it at the
same time.
That's, I think, the lie thatwe fell for.
That's, I think, the lie thatwe fell for.
These are like God putspassions and gift sets and
dreams in our heart, becausewe're made in his image.
So we must be creators, we mustbe designers, we must be filled
to overflow with passion to runout into the world and just
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make it a better place to be.
If we're made in his image,right, but God being outside of
time, of course, because he'sthe creator of time, he can do
all things simultaneous, but weare his created thing and we can
do all things wellsimultaneously.
Now, you know we can, but we'renot going to get that.
That best outcome that I know,in our hearts, we really desire
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come.
That I know in our hearts wereally desire.
So I'm feeling like there's thismovement that's kind of like
you can almost start to hear thegrassroots starting to shake of
moms.
It's actually okay, it's morethan okay.
It's how you were designed andmade is to be in this marriage,
and I understand, nicole, thatthis is not the reality for many
, many people I'd say probablythe majority, given the divorce
statistics and what have you.
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We have to think about how weplay into that too, though, but
the design is, you know, thehusband.
When you look at his energycycle, he's more in line with
the sun.
He gets up and gets a burst ofcortisol, testosterone to go out
and tackle where females weremore energetically aligned with
the rhythms of the moon, and sowe have spread out long
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suffering type of energy.
We have the ability to kind ofbe this Medusa where we are
multitaskers to the nth degree.
If you really look at a woman inher sweet spot, especially a
woman who's yielded to the HolySpirit, that's where we really
shine is.
I can totally, but I also needsleep.
I need to be nurtured too.
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I can't only be a vesselpouring out.
My husband needs to help andpour in.
Give me opportunities to do andbe placed, do things and be
places.
That fills the cup back up, butit's really the priority is God
.
Husband is directly underneath,being informed as the Christ,
and then wife not in, not instatus, just in order, just the
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way the design works.
If she listen.
It's hard to yield and listento what you and I are in
agreement.
If you're married to somebodyyoked, with somebody who isn't
taking his rightful place asthat, that person who would give
their life for you, so everyyes and no he utters is in your
best interest and the bestinterest of you and his children
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.
That's not.
You're married to my, my heartdoes break because it's hard to
then carry out what you and Iare having a conversation around
right now.
Holy spirit is capable ofanything, though, and we can't
forget about second Peter'sverse that women like, it'll be
your lives, that your husbandswill be one over the way that
you will live, not your wordsand not your nagging.
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It's the way that you will livethat will win them over.
But getting back to youroriginal question, I feel like a
good chunk of this mentalhealth crisis is just this
abandonment of the home ingeneral.
Not blaming women, but I amholding people accountable to
saying part of following Christis picking up the cross onto
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which we sacrifice and wecrucify the desires of the flesh
.
And if my flesh wants to pull meout of the God-ordained role of
nurturer and homemaker into theworkplace at the same time.
My children desperately needshaping and molding and
relational safety and nurturing.
There's a natural consequenceto that, you know.
I remember I know it was Paulwho said, like everything's
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permissible but not everythingis good for you.
Like you know, we can, we'refree will creatures, we can do
pretty much anything, but it'snot without its natural
consequences.
And those natural consequences,I believe, are what grieve
God's heart the most.
He made us, he knows exactlyhow we're supposed to live and
when we constantly, through ourfree will, step outside the
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design and feel that the stoveis hot, even being warned that
it's hot, I think it grieves hisheart.
Every time, you know,individually and collectively,
we experienced that naturalconsequence of diverting from.
I made you guys.
I know exactly how you'resupposed to live and do this
life, but you keep kind of likerebelling against.
You know, against that I will.
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And I will admit to you, nicole,like when I was very young, you
know, like, let's say, like midteens to like mid twenties, I
couldn't wait for my career.
I wasn't the kind of young girlwho sat home like dreaming
about being a mom and pushing myfood shopping cart with like.
That wasn't necessarily mydream.
My dream was, like, my career,and so the intention was to go
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to college and to go to lawschool and be a family attorney.
It was always about family forme.
But you know, god, in his, inhis infinite wisdom, he knew the
only way to turn me around fromthat self-destructive path was
to give me a child that I wasn'texpecting.
So we were, you know, marriedfor a couple of years and my
husband was going.
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I was supporting us both as hewas going through chiropractic
school and right towards the endwe discovered, 11 weeks in,
that I was having a baby and I'mlike, what are you talking
about?
That was truly the only thingthat would have would have been
strong, the immediate love youfeel, this idle wave, this
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tsunami of of like, and I wasn'teven all that maternal growing
up, but the second you learnthere's life in there.
I mean everything in ananosecond changed for me, yes,
did a 180 degree pivot.
I marched right back into homeand said this is where I squat
for the next 25 years or so,like this and I mean it was a.
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it was a little hard letting goof that.
It was a lot hard letting go ofthat professional dream.
But here I am.
Our, our kids range in age from24 to 18.
Here I am, not only doing it,and doing it without any regret
as far as like, oh, I shouldn't,I can't go back and reclaim
those years Like I was.
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I was on man.
I gave those kids and that homeand my family, everything I had
, right.
But now, now that the rolelaunched and doing their thing
and I'm doing this beautifulcareer that's so filled with
meaning and purpose doing theirthing, and I'm doing this
beautiful career that's sofilled with meaning and purpose
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I can see his masterful plan.
It's just, oh, it's justmasterful.
So you know, my plea is toinspire mothers to really not
bypass this unbelievableanointing on your life, which is
to first get yourself in aplace of stewardship where
you're, you know you'resurrendered to the Lord.
You, you will give anything andeverything for your family, and
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not to the degree of completeself-deprivation.
That's not what this is about.
It's about balance and harmonyand all of that.
But I promise you, if you're acareer oriented woman, believe
me when I tell you when theylaunch, you will be so grateful
to have something meaningful topour yourself into, because the
kids are gone Like if.
I didn't have this career whereI knew I was really helping
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people and families.
I don't know I might be sittingin a corner rocking in the
fetal position because they'reall gone.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I just feel like God's order is just and right,
just perfect.
I tend to think about just thereality of seasons, right, Like
if we look at God's creation, hecreated seasons.
And I know often individualswill refer to the Proverbs 31
woman and they're like she didit all, but it didn't say she
did it all at once.
Right, and so very much likeinto your point.
I think about even in my, myown world, right, I have
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individuals and women that Imentor that say like, oh, okay,
well, how do you do it?
Or I want to do this.
And I'm like wait, there was aseason when I had three kids and
diapers.
There was a reality that myBible probably was not open,
sometimes even once a day.
Right, I was professionalfeeder and diaper changer.
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But that nurturing aspect is soimportant, even in that infancy
stage, right, Like the firstzero to five years is crucial,
yes, and then it continued.
I remember the time that I wasin a corporate career and never
had intentions of homeschooling,but got to this point where we
had to decide like, okay, thekids are at crucial stages.
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Now it's first grade and secondgrade and unfortunately, the
world is telling them somethings that we're not in
alignment with.
So do I choose the career or dowe sacrifice and, yes, maybe
have to live a more moderatelife so that we can make sure
that we're doing the needfulthing of a partner?
And I remember I fought it.
I fought it like Lord.
This is not what I thought Iwas going to be doing.
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I mean, I truly didn't think Iwas going to have these twins
and have three kids all in thesame kind of age bracket.
But here we are, where we hadto adjust.
And I remember even and y'all,I'm just being honest with you
when the time had came and myhusband said you know, the Lord
told me we need a homeschool.
And I remember looking at himlike you homeschool, like what
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do you mean?
But now I sit and I'm like I'mso thankful.
Some of my greatest days yes,Were they challenging, but they
were so rewarding and still are.
I mean, I'm not out of it,Right, First of all, you're
never out of it as a parent, butI'm not out of it in the sense
that I have a 60 year old, Ihave twins that are 14, but
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there's a different level, right, we're at a different season.
I tell people like they don'tnecessarily.
I'm not making your meals everyday.
I'm not doing these things butyou're definitely coming in at
10, 30 at night, like hey, canwe talk, right when I want to go
to sleep?
But there's this emotional needand so I likened to your point.
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There's seasons, and Godcreated seasons, and we need to
pay attention to the season thatwe're in.
Even in this season, with threeteens, I'm like I can't go
running hard outside of the home.
That's why I do a businessthat's inside the home, right,
so that I'm still ever presentFive years from now.
That might be, you know, hey,we could run a little harder
outside and do more traveling,engagements and so forth.
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And so I think, payingattention to just like we do we
don't go outside without ajacket when we know it's not the
season for it we need to payattention to the season that
we're sitting in and recognizeam I using the tools?
Am I using the things that Godgave me for this season?
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I think that is a message that's that's sorely
missing from the narrative as weraise our, our young families,
especially, you know, just justwithin the context of this
conversation, our young girls,to say it's awesome to have
these amazing aspirations.
I mean, god gave you intellect,he gave you talent, he gave you
drive.
It's amazing.
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But you know, when Satan, satanis the great mimicker, so he
will come alongside with a, witha, with something that sounds
true, like it's never a full onlie, because we can kind of call
that out real quick.
But he comes with these doubtfilled questions Like did God
really say that?
You know, say that.
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And I think that this is part ofnot forsaking the gathering,
because if you're in a communityof really safe women of God,
you can share where your head'sgoing and, without shame or
judgment or none of that, youcan be sharpened.
I think that's also grosslymissing.
I know it was.
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It was okay when I was raisingthe kids, but I definitely
needed more.
But again it's everybody is atthe waterline, right at the nose
, like everybody's just tryingto survive, and I think that
that's the tragedy of thestandard American way of life,
is we're in a, we're in a hurryand we don't even know why we're
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all like in such a hurry and wedon't even know why.
We just feel and I know thatthat Satan's energy shoves from
behind and God's love pulls usfrom the front.
So we all feel so shoved.
We know the enemy's all up inour lives, all of us, the
sabotage, and he knows he can'twin the war once you're sealed
for the kingdom.
So let me just win the day.
Let me just win this littleskirmish of the day.
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Make you short and and, um, youknow, miss a tune to your
children.
Let me, uh, completely sap yourlibido.
So your husband, you know,never really feels that intimate
connection with you and feelsabandoned by you and children
are prioritized over him.
Now the marriage begins to thinand fracture and there's just
so many subtle but yet obviousthis side of it ways that he
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comes in with these kind ofmicro attempts.
It's like taking a housewell-built but just every day
doing something to compromisethe integrity of the foundation,
coming in every day with likean anvil, like boom one little
bang or boom one big bang, andbefore you know it, the whole
house is starting to shake andgive way.
And that's why addressingmental health from using mom, as
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I look at this, is.
I don't know if this isscripturally accurate and I've
never heard anybody else say it,but I'm going to say it.
Maybe you can correct me,nicole.
But this is.
I don't know if this isscripturally accurate and I've
never heard anybody else say it,but I'm going to say it.
Maybe you can correct me,nicole.
But this is.
I feel like God gave this to memany, many years ago.
So again, I said earlier likeGod is over everything,
everything right.
And then inside the home, thehusband is the representation of
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Christ, the one who representsGod perfectly and who will give
his very life for you as his.
And then what does that leaveus?
That leaves us as Holy Spiritrepresentatives in the home.
The Holy Spirit hovers over.
The Holy Spirit makes order outof chaos.
The Holy Spirit is longsuffering and filled with
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nurturing and compassion.
And that is female.
That is like that.
I mean it makes my own hairstand up, like you can see the
triune God in every marriage andhome if you look.
And so what we've tried to do isusurp and try to be the Christ
head too.
So we have double headedserpent, of sorts.
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Instead, it's like no, if weall just take our position.
I mean the truth is, you know,happy wife, happy life is a is a
credo, because it's true.
So the truth is, you will notbe forsaken, you will not be
overlooking, you are subservient, you are not less than it's
kind of like if you're, if youhave an assembly line and
there's different tasks thathappen at each part of the
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assembly line, but then thefinal final product is, let's
say, a glorious, healthy family.
Is there a?
Is there a reason why onestation location is more
priority, like anybody missingfrom that assembly line, the end
product is not making it there.
So why is one role, you know,lauded and the other one, who's
like, has, like almost a shameabout it?
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That's where I think familystarted to really disintegrate.
At least modern family juststarted to disintegrate when
women were pulled from the homeafter war and you know like
during the wartime, and the menare all fighting and and we felt
this surge of like oh my gosh,this must feel.
This is like amazing, I don'thave to be home doing the diaper
.
I think that's where Satanreally started doing his dirty
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work, dismantling the honor thatused to come with being a
homemaker.
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Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know okay.
So I'm going to say it's souniquely in our home we have
what we call table talks, right,and so we literally have these
little conversation points, keepthem on stands and when we sit
at the table we make sure we sitat the table and it's like at
(29:41):
minimum once a week, like let'scome together and we pull out a
table talk and one of our tabletalks that we kind of go through
what occurred from the week andI will give credit to.
There's a company called SettleCo.
It is led by dear friends,jason and Elizabeth Settle, and
this is something that theytaught me during one of a Kairos
freedom ministry training.
(30:01):
And so we sit and we ask them inwhat ways did dad represent God
, the Father, to you this week?
In what ways did you miss it?
And then we ask what ways themom represent Holy spirit to you
?
What ways did we miss it?
And then, as siblings, whatways did you guys represent
(30:25):
Christ to each other, where?
What ways did you miss it?
And so there's a reality thatthe word um help her, right,
help her comes from the Hebrewword excerpter, right, and ether
is the same word that's usedfor Holy Spirit.
It's the same word used for thesuitable helpmate, that he was
(30:46):
called the helper right.
And so, in very much like him,I I do tell women that I meet
with I'm like, hey, look at thetraits of the Holy Spirit,
because that is our role in ourhome, our role to gird and guide
right With our sensitivity.
We are more emotional beingsand there's a reason for that.
(31:07):
The man is very typicallylogistically driven right and
when we come in with thatsensitive, when we come in that
compassion side, I often thinkabout, there's a reason why the
original design and when we doit God's way was to have father
and mother in the home, becausethere's a perfect balance that
creates this peace and theretruly is a form of peace and
(31:28):
rest that comes when you're justlike I'm the wife and I value
my role.
I love what I get to do.
But there's a piece that comesfrom me not having to try and
strive to take on a role thatwas never intended for me to
carry, and that's where we getinto carrying a burden that was
never ours to carry, and eventhough we tend to try and cast
(31:51):
it up, it's like I didn't givethat to you anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, exactly to you anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
You are the first person toaffirm what God whispered just
to me personally about the womenbeing that Holy Spirit
represent.
I knew I actually didn't dowhat, you just kind of
triangulated it for me HolySpirit, edzer, and then same
(32:16):
word as suitable helper, there's.
So now we have perfection, nowwe have, I mean.
So now I mean I think that'sthat is amazing, that God will
whisper a truth.
I hear I've never heard anybodyarticulate it kind of the way
that you just did, and now Iknow that that's him.
(32:38):
Him literally speaking to meand giving me his truth without
it having to be downloaded froma person per se.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yes, absolutely, and I tell people all the time cause
we can get into, like you know,church schematics of like.
Well, the Holy spirit is in asheet.
I absolutely agree.
The Bible is very clear.
It says he.
I am not saying like the HolySpirit was a few.
What I'm saying is the traits,right, even us.
We are image bearers.
Scripture said that he createdus out of his image to be like,
(33:06):
right, like it.
So just because God, the father, which clearly would take on a
male component, and he createdme in his image, I'm still his
image bearer as a female.
So I want to clarify for anyonelistening.
Like I am not saying you know,holy Spirit is female.
What I'm saying is that thetraits and the way the Trinity
(33:26):
was designed was the example ofhow the family is supposed to be
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I couldn't agree more .
I mean, you make me even thinkabout as you say that and you
know, just trying to be carefulas as we put this, this type of
messaging into the world, thatwere accurate.
But but are any of yourchildren's sons Did you?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
did you say your son yes, so my oldest, I have a 60
year old son, and then the twinsare boy, girl, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So, oh, interesting.
So boy, girl, twins.
So do you see any of yourhusband in your daughter?
Do you see any of yourself intoyour son?
So the gender is, is just thismaterial aspect.
We know that there's nomarriage in heaven.
We know that that part of theexperience in this body, in the
and in this life will cease tobe because there's something
(34:12):
even way better waiting for us.
It's just, we are very finiteand limited in the ways that we
can articulate things anddescribe and understand things.
My ways are higher than yourways, my thoughts higher than
your thoughts.
So we, just we, we have tounderstand.
We are limited.
We're doing the best we can todescribe this indescribable God
(34:33):
in language that lands on ahuman being with its limitations
.
Yes, of course the gender islike that's kind of to me, like
something fairly small to getstuck on it's.
You know we can't put god in agender box either, like I know
that we have jesus, a male rep,but the male representation is
male is the head.
Of course he came down in amale body, male, male is the
(34:55):
head.
But I mean, this is what youknow, modern, cultural.
Now, oh, actually, I thinkspanning the human experience is
that women were marginalizedand so it's like the gender
itself.
We're trying to fight our wayback.
If you could just collapse into God himself and say I know
that you know every hair on myhead you know every thought that
(35:17):
I have.
You know, when you have yourbaby and your nurse and your
baby feeding your baby, youstudy every nook and cranny,
every hair follicle, fingerprint, lip shape.
I mean.
How much more so does he studyus as the one who knit us
together.
So how can we feel overlooked?
You're going to find your, your, your, even like level ground.
(35:41):
When you get into his word, youwill find that you matter.
He, he.
He brought his perfect son herethrough a female.
He.
He gave a female, the, theimmense privilege of being the
first to see jesus reincarnatedlike resurrected.
He's the.
She was the first one see Jesusreincarnate like resurrected.
He's the.
She was the first one, the mostunlikely of accounts coming
(36:06):
from a woman.
Like you know, we have so manyexamples in scripture of where
God lifts high the woman.
So I don't know, I just feellike let's not get caught up on
human thinking as far as likewe've got to be even and we've
got to be.
I just I don't know.
Know, I think we lose a lot inthis, like when we squander our
mental energy going there.
Yes, but absolutely we've kindof taken this to a real
(36:27):
spiritual place, but um, I'mlike, welcome to gracefield
community.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes , so, and actually you know, as
you were like, yeah, we've takenit to a real spiritual aspect,
but I want to navigate how thataffects our body.
Right, because when we feel theneed to strive for more, or
when we can't sit with the peaceof the season that we're in,
(36:55):
right, like, our faith plays arole on our work.
Our faith plays a role on oureven our physical health.
I mean, studies have shown thatwhen people have a form of
faith and hope that they'resitting in, they respond
differently even to the whatwould we call it I don't, you
probably can help me with theterm, but the medicine culture.
(37:16):
Right, that the response isdifferent when there's a faith
backing behind it.
And so when I think about whatyou're talking about.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I believe the placebo effect.
Yes, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, and so when I think about like our bodies and
I recently was listening to apodcast and she was talking
about, she was an orthopedicsurgeon and she acknowledged
that she finds that in womenthey hip replacements when they
break a hip, or hip replacementoften can be detrimental and the
(37:51):
reason being is because for solong they were focused on an
hyper extensive form of takingcare of everyone else that they
put their physical on the backburner again, trying to be all
for everyone.
Put their own physical on a backburner and the thing that you
don't see kind of deterioratingis like what's happening inside.
(38:12):
Right, so we can see outsideand be like, oh, I, you know,
even like I'd want to loseweight, but the interior thing
of that bone structure, like thecalcium in there, those things
will be deteriorating and youget to this point where, over
time, you just you know she saidthe term that she heard here as
often as I don't know how I gothere I used to not feel this
(38:36):
way, yeah, yeah, and so thatreally stood out to me because,
again, I sit in so many spaceswith women who are trying to be
all do, all for all spaces, andthen their, their own health
components physical bodies wetalk about, and mental health
are placed on the back burner.
What would you kind of like sayinto that, or do you see that?
(38:58):
Is that something that you also?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
would.
It's incredibly ubiquitous andagain, it's this, it's it's a
disordered way to carry out yourlife's calling it's so
something like just the examplethat you gave.
That makes sense to me, becausethis is just one of many
explanations and there are manyhow.
Let's just, let's say, like ahip replacement in a female,
(39:23):
probably around my age or maybea little later One of the main
contributors to that type ofbone loss there's many, but one
one sticks out in my mind ischronic high states of cortisol,
which is a catabolic hormone.
Mind is chronic high states ofcortisol, which is a catabolic
hormone.
So if you have cortisol fromchronic, unrelenting stress over
years and decades, even thebody, it breaks the body down.
(39:45):
That's its job, like that'swell, that's the side effect of.
It's supposed to be short bursthormone for for true emergency
use only like break glass incase of emergency type of
emergency use.
Only like break glass in caseof emergency type of.
Um, you know, we've got thesein a in a healthy rhythm.
We've got a spike in cortisolupon wakening and then it's.
It should take like a verysmooth, slow dip into the
(40:08):
evening where then it's at itslowest point so we can sleep and
rest and repair, but many womenhave fitful sleeps.
We've got disrupted sleep.
Children need us 24-7, 365.
I don't know about in your home, but my husband wasn't woken up
one time for stuff.
Or I have to throw up or never.
It was a and listen, I'm notsaying that to knock it wasn't
(40:32):
the healthiest of distribution.
I will say in hindsight we didthe best we could with what we
knew at the time.
If I were to be a new mothernow, there would be a little
more balance than that, but Iwould want to continue to do the
lion's share because that's whoI am and that's what I want to
do.
But but you think about as soonas you become pregnant, I don't
(40:52):
know that you're ever going tosleep again, like I really just
don't know.
Like, now that my children arelaunched, don't think sleep
comes.
The stakes are so high whenthey're no longer home.
Yes, forget about it.
And so you think, even thatchronic, even the loss, even
loss of sleep one night raisesblood sugar levels exponentially
, which because of cortisol.
(41:13):
Cortisol draws glucose out ofthe muscle and into the
bloodstream for use.
There's no lion chasing me.
My body believes that there isbecause of either ruminating
fear, thoughts or sleeplessness.
Whatever's causing a stressresponse is causing my blood
sugar levels to spike, despitenot having one bit of food in my
mouth, right?
So if that's what we're bathingin, along with a million other
(41:38):
potential contributors, butthat's just one that came to my
mind is this chronic state ofdisordered living because we're
so self-sacrificial and givingthat our bodies do degrade.
We are by far the largestpercentage of sufferers of
autoimmune disease.
Autoimmune is self attackingself because the immune system
(41:58):
becomes so disordered it can'tdifferentiate from an external
threat to an internal threat.
I actually suffered throughsomething myself with that
pertaining to gluten to, likeyou know, figured that out and
it's been profound for me takingthat out of my life.
But the body begins to attackself because that immune system
is so overworked and sooverwhelmed it mistakes bodily
(42:22):
tissue for proteins that arethreatening.
So we are the ones who suffer.
I think 80 some percent ofautoimmune sufferers are female
because we give ourselves away.
We literally like, literallyfillet open and give.
But I mean that's beautiful aslong as it's balanced.
I have this like little blackscale here that I use with
(42:45):
clients in session with a buck,like a little jar of stones and
putting on one side.
Give me all the stressors inyour life, anything that comes
to your mind, and then I want tosee what are the?
Where are those stressors beingmitigated?
How do you fill yourself?
How do you restore andreplenish?
And inevitably that scale isalways like this because, as
women were so, others focused uh, we, we, we pay tremendous
(43:10):
price.
So you know that example thatyou gave from the podcast, that
doctor, um, yeah, yeah, we dosuffer, but one of my many roles
is to highlight for these womenwhether she's the one suffering
with a mental health challengeor one of her children once in a
while.
Can you help me help my husbandOnce in a blue moon, but it's
(43:33):
usually mom, or because dads,men, don't tend to vocalize.
That's why I believe they dieIn general, they die earlier
than we do, because at least wedo what we're doing right now.
We kind of choose.
This is the woman staying homein community, all the kids, all
of the mothers talking, right.
So at least we give it, we giveit a sound and we we articulate
(43:56):
and express to a certain degree.
We give it a sound and we wearticulate and express to a
certain degree.
Men just tend to kind of stuffthat down and just keep
barreling forward and the bodyhad been giving warning signs
that will fell on the deficit ofears and then the body's just
done.
So that's usually thatdifference between why we suffer
long but.
But we communicate.
(44:16):
Men suffer acutely and nevercommunicate, and then the body
just kind of reaches its kind ofmax tipping point there.
But but that's one of the mainaspects of the education and
coaching is how aware or unawareare you of your physical,
mental state right now?
Have you ever connected all ofthe many, many dots that even
(44:38):
preceded your conception?
So we do something, I dosomething with my clients that I
call my mental map miracle, andwe just create this beautiful
timeline, over many monthstogether, of all the high and
low lights in life.
And have you gone through andgiven this an opportunity to
heal?
Have you metabolized theseharder experiences?
(44:59):
Because if not, they're aliveand well in the body and they're
causing hormonal chaos, they'recausing all types of disorders
and diseases in your body.
You've got to be.
You've got to get permissionfrom your loved ones and most
especially from yourself, totake the time to examine your
life up until now, look for thepotholes in the road and let's
(45:21):
figure out how to create a roadthat's much smoother for you in
the future, by consideringyourself too.
You have to be part of thenarrative Now.
A good husband would constantlybe saying to his wife what do
you need from me?
What do you need from me?
My husband said to me lastnight we finished up after
dinner and he said honey, whatelse can I do to serve you?
Like, when he says that to me,I'm like dude and the irony is
(45:47):
usually like nothing, nothingright, that it's like so
beautiful.
But once in a while he willactually say those words what
can I do to serve you?
That's what it should look like.
But so that's why it has to bea family experience.
You can't just like pull yourcar up, kick the person out
(46:09):
who's unwell or they're sick.
No, no, no, they didn't gethere by themselves.
They got in the context of thefamily, the whole family system.
So everybody, to varyingdegrees, needs to participate,
if for nothing else, to show thesufferer your family's here for
you, no matter what you'regoing through we will never
leave nor forsake you.
You have your family and that'swhat, that's what makes my, my
approach unique to do thefunctional nutrition, the
(46:30):
functional lifestyle you know,looking at gut health and
genetic expression and aminoacids and nutrient levels in the
cell and the integrity of thecell membrane, and you know the
food you're eating or not eating, all those types of things we
look at.
But it's the spiritualcomponent, it's the relational
component, it's gaining moreemotional mastery in your life
because the emotional masteryactually gains, gives you,
(46:53):
yields you better internalhealth because the hormonal
cascades are healthier.
You said about the placeboeffect.
We lean into hope, that thatthat generates a completely
different tsunami ofbiochemistry than leaning into
the fear of what, if that's a,those are.
This is a catabolic and this isa building up.
This is a life giving type ofbiochemistry.
(47:15):
This is a life tearing down anddestroying type of energy.
So when I set before you lifeand death and blessing and curse
, oh, that you would choose lifefor you and for your
descendants, it's leaning intothe hope molecules.
It's leaning into the trust ofyou know, I know I'm a partner
with God, but if I listen to him, he's going to tell me what to
do next, and it'll always be theright thing.
(47:36):
If I'm just listening, you know, oh so good.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Oh my goodness, I have truly enjoyed our time.
I mean, that was so good.
I tend to say I'm like we dothese recordings and I'm like,
lord, you really love me, youspeak to me through these
recordings, like it.
Each time, I'm like this is thething that I'm in and this is
what I needed to hear, and so Iwant to thank you for taking
time and joining us today.
(48:02):
For our listeners and ourviewers, I do want to make sure
that they understand and knowhow to stay connected with you,
and also just a little bit aboutsome of the services that you
offer.
What's the first step in evenevaluating where am I at with
these things?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Wonderful, nicole.
I appreciate the opportunity toshare that.
Of course it's going to be.
Just.
First stop would be at thewebsite.
Pretty much everything is thereand it's slingshot hc for
health coachingcom.
That's based off of David andGoliath.
I wrote a book called fromchained to changed, break mental
Strongholds and Transform yourLife Through Faith, and in that
(48:41):
book people can understand how Igot to the place.
I am personally andprofessionally, but
slingshothccom and SlingshotHealth Coaching on Instagram,
facebook.
I mean I'm somewhat of a socialmedia person, but not really
too big.
I'm more of this.
I just like to be where peopleare, not where the bots are.
So you'll see a little bit onsocial but, but you'll find me
(49:04):
on my website.
You'll find me um, you know, ifyou even just Google my name.
There's other um podcasts andinterviews and things that you
can come across.
But as far as services, any,anywhere from free um, free
webinars that I offer on mentalhealth and the physiology
component of that, and all theway up to, you know, six to 12
(49:26):
month programs, I do group, I dogroup opportunities, I have
one-on-ones, so all differenttypes of like points on the road
where people can meet me wherethey're at in terms of resources
, of time and money and, frankly, the the bandwidth to do the
work.
So sometimes it's just the freewebinars.
That's all I can do is justkind of consume the teaching and
(49:48):
that's totally fine and it'sout there in in the universe for
you to grow.
But then there are people whosay like, if I don't do
something now, then when?
And they're the ones whotypically engage in the six plus
month one-on-one programs.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So yeah, yes, Well, thank you again.
I mean it's been such a joy tohave you listeners.
I definitely want to encourageyou check out our show notes, as
always.
Down below we have Tracy'swebsite.
We have her social links.
Just know that.
You know, like she said, she'snot necessarily riding our
(50:22):
social media daily like that,and you can always go to her
website.
Of course, we will have thatlisted and it is listed down
there in the show notes.
There for you, Tracy.
Thank you again so much forjoining us today.
I am excited.
I'm about to go look for yourbook.
I'm going to order it.
I am signing up to get theinformation because, hey, again,
(50:45):
I care about physical, mental,emotional and spiritual, and so
even in just our conversation, Isaid this is who I need to hear
from.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Thank you so much, really appreciate you, you, yes.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, likewise, graceville community listeners,
we want to thank you again forjoining us for another episode.
Uh, as always, if you are inneed of community.
During this episode, we talkedabout the importance of having
community, having people aroundyou that you can speak to and
they can give you sound wisdom,and so if you're in need of
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community wherever you are, weencourage you to email grow at
gracefieldcommunitycom.
We, of course, have an onlinecommunity there for you, but we
also make sure to have partnerslocated all amongst the global
continent sorry, global worldthat are available for you to
connect with.
We were not made to do lifealone and we want to help you
(51:45):
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So, email girl atgracefieldcommunitycom if you
need a space and a partnershipof community to connect with.
Thank you again for listeningand viewing.
As always, have a blessed day.
Thank you for tuning in totoday's episode of Graceville
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We would like to invite you tovisit gracevillecommunitycom.
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Church of Acts did, using fivemain principles that we see in
the book of Acts.
Sharing resources, as believerspooled their possessions and
resources to support those inneed, as we see in Acts 2.44.
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Through hospitality the earlyChristians practiced hospitality
by opening their homes toothers, as we see in Acts 2 and
46.
By financial aid the church inAntioch sent financial aid to
believers in Judea during a timeof famine, as described in Acts
(52:53):
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In Acts 11 and 29.
Prayer and encouragement theysupported each other through
prayer and encouragement, as wesee in Acts 4 and 24.
And finally, spiritual guidancethe apostles and elders
provided spiritual guidance andteaching to help strengthen and
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Thank you for tuning in.
Blessings to you.
Hello Gracefield communitylisteners.
As always, I'm excited foranother impactful episode coming
your way.
Today we have a very specialguest.
I believe that this recordingyou are going to find to be
(00:47):
impactful on your mental health,on your physical health and, as
always, emotional and spiritual.
But this guest today definitelyis going to explain to us some
details of how our physical bodyplays a role, even with our
mental health.
And, of course, we know it allconnects, and so I want to thank
(01:08):
you for joining us today andlistening, in viewing in.
Welcome to Graceville community.
Help me give a very warmwelcome to Tracy.
Hello Tracy.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hi Nicole, Thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Absolutely.
It is my pleasure because I'mexcited to learn and receive my
very own self today.
So please tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Please let our audience knowwhy they should even be tuning
into all the wisdom that you'regoing to impart our way.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, fantastic, my name's Tracy.
Tracy Spiaggia.
My last name's a little tricky,so if you're wondering how to
say it, that's how to say it.
I am a mental healthpractitioner.
I am in this space in a prettyunique way.
I still find myself strugglingto find colleagues doing
approaching mental health thesame way that I do most, most
(02:07):
especially from a faith centeredperspective, but but coming at
the this crisis that we findourselves in right now, from the
perspective of not just thebody but the holistic living of
each of each person and eachperson trying to find that sense
of balance in their mind, intheir mood, in their
(02:27):
relationships, in their work andall other aspects of life.
So, of course, like thetraditional, like almost a knee
jerk approach, if somebodybegins to struggle is, of course
, to go seek professionaltherapy and perhaps have some
medication intervention.
Those things are fantastic andwe're so grateful for those
(02:49):
inroads.
But what is so overlooked, notonly in mainstream medicine but
in my opinion, sadly from thepulpit, so to speak, is the
prioritization of the body thatoftentimes people have profound
struggles with what it's a verylarge umbrella term to just say
(03:10):
mental health.
It means so many things butwe're not really guided and led
by, you know, the leadershipwithin the church and within the
medical community, thatstewardship of the body is a
critical component of how thebrain itself shows up.
There's something in my spacewhich is functional medicine.
(03:33):
I'm not sure if you're familiarwith that terminology, but in
functional medicine there's thisidea of false moods and
somebody can present, let's say,for example, false moods, and
somebody can present, let's say,for example, somebody
struggling with severe anxiety,which I mean who can't relate to
that.
But but that main, thatmainstream kind of conventional
(03:55):
approach somebody may be openingup about circumstances in their
life, perhaps in present day orperhaps in their past, and
they'll kind of use talk therapyto navigate that tricky terrain
.
And then medication istypically prescribed, and the
vast majority of medications formental health are prescribed
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from just general practitionersor practitioners without that
specific training, unfortunatelyso.
But but what happens if thatanxiety is a presentation of a
mineral imbalance in the body,of something called gut
dysbiosis, where there is, youknow, profound disease within
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the gastrointestinal tract, orif they're a person suffers from
heavy metal toxicity, or moldtoxicity, or parasite infection,
or nutrient deficiencies,chronic dehydration?
There's so many physiologicaldrivers for anxiety that aren't
really appreciated and examined.
And so when we medicate to tryto get the uncomfortability of
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anxiety let's call it physicaltension, racing heart, perhaps
even panic attacks when we tryto medicate that away, we never
really get the opportunity touncover what's pushing that,
what's driving all of thosesymptoms.
And I find that to be quitetragic that, you know, we never
really get.
I feel like, as practitionerscollectively, we shouldn't be.
(05:25):
I feel like, as practitionerscollectively, we should.
We shouldn't be afraid ofcoming alongside somebody in a
season of suffering and say howabout we just sit with it for a
bit?
How about we just kind of sitwith this for a bit, get curious
around it and appreciate andmake sure every person
understands part of being humanis being uncomfortable in many
different ways.
It's, it's just, you know,pressing into the Lord, asking
(05:47):
for the Holy spirit to guidethat journey of relief.
But being okay saying some daysare good and some days aren't
so great.
Just like the weather, Somedays it's so beautiful and sunny
and some days it's reallystormy, some days it's just
overcast and cloudy.
It doesn't have to be sunnyevery day for us to rejoice in
being alive, you know.
(06:09):
So for me as a functionalpractitioner, that's more the
approach I take.
It's definitely holistic.
So we we look at all of thosepotential physiological drivers.
We look at familialrelationships as something that
I have a lot of training in,specifically in attachment
theory, and just trying toexplore.
Are you feeling depressed?
Are you feeling anxious?
(06:29):
Is there a lack of attentionbecause of just trying to avoid?
We tend to kind of avoid thoseharder things, so maybe
attention can't sit on somethingfor terribly long, maybe a lot
of that is actually within therealm of normal.
So, helping people kind ofexpect relational strife and
(06:49):
then the therapeutic approachthen is to kind of equip you to
navigate that well, to expressgrace.
If the Lord has called us to beforgivers and he's called us to
be grace-filled like your, likeyour show, we have to then, of
course, be presented withopportunities to become those
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things, to express those thingsand give those things away.
Right, the context is like yes,all strife, right?
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, the very first thing that came to mind,
and probably because this isreally fresh, my husband and I
just taught a class yesterdaythat was conflict resolution and
how to rebuild trust, right,talking about the rupture and
the repair.
And one of the scriptures thatwas kind of the foundational
point was Romans 5, 3 through 4.
And it's not only so, but wealso glory in our sufferings,
(07:42):
because we know that thesuffering produces perseverance,
perseverance, character andcharacter, hope.
And we like to call it like ourmath formula of our household,
right, but that is the realityis that I think in our day and
age, and especially, like yousaid, in the church, it's so
much of the message of, yay,everything's going to be great,
(08:03):
or, you know, come to Jesus andlive a great life and, yes,
absolutely, live that abundantlife.
It does not remove us from thesuffering.
It says that we will sufferwith Christ, right, and it does.
It produces that character,produces that hope, while we
persevere through it.
And so I like how youacknowledge not running from it
(08:24):
but sitting in it, right,there's a reason why we have
lamentations, right?
Sometimes we need to lament andsit in it so that we can have
that perseverance, we candevelop that character and sit
in that hope.
Because there's a reality thatonce you come out of something,
then it encourage you.
When the next thing, when thatthing comes back along, you're
like, oh, I've overcame thisbefore.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I love the work that you're doing, especially
combining, of course, the faithaspect, the spiritual practices
I'm huge and graceful communityabout.
We're physically emotional,spiritual, physical, emotional,
spiritual and mental right, like.
Those are all the componentsthat we have to be mindful and
care for because they all worktogether.
One of the things that I reallyam excited to dive into because
(09:12):
I, as a mother, a homeschoolingmom of three teenagers, a wife,
I know the weight that itcarries, often mentally and
emotionally and on our physicalbody, and I was just watching a
podcast which, yes, I'm sharingwith you listeners.
I am definitely in thatperimenopause stage.
Like my family is like can younot have the temperature at 60
(09:35):
degrees in the house?
And I'm like it's still hot,okay, so I want to have a
discussion about what it lookslike for the role of moms.
Will we consider our mentalhealth and our physical health?
And, yes, I'm curious andexcited to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh, they are so many.
And you really just kind oftapped the geyser because, like
mom's role, I got to tell youthat, nicole, this has been for
as long as I can remember.
Even as a young teenager, I canremember being so enthralled
with the idea of family and thevery unique position and power
(10:21):
of mom.
You know, like every otherperson in the world, I had my
fair share of dysfunction in thehome and I had my fair share of
function.
So, and I'm grateful for all ofit, I just can always remember,
I can't remember a time where Ididn't look at the mom as the
solution to so many of thesocietal ills we suffer today.
(10:45):
And this kind of it reallyreminds me so much of the
temptation in the garden, whereit was Eve who was tempted away
and then Adam not stepping intoleadership and trying getting in
between her falling prey to thetempter, right, because's his,
his role is to protect and toshield, but he was more passive
(11:08):
and she was more aggressive andshe fell for um, the lie that
god alone is not enough, right?
Yes, I feel like we are fallingfor the same lie over human
history.
Now you know that that's,that's likely, the way god will
carry out the narrative of thehuman experience and to populate
his kingdom with the expressionof free will that, yes, I
(11:30):
choose you, lord.
I understand all of that.
There's much still to learn andto glean from scripture.
So when we take that account ofthe original fall, that
original sin, we can then, if we, if we can be courageous enough
, we go in and figure out how amI also falling prey?
And I feel like one of the morebroad stroke ways we, as as
(11:54):
women, have fallen for a similarlie is believing our values
found outside the home.
And I mean you and I both haveto come to terms and agree.
We both love work and love theidea of a career.
We love impact, we love thatright.
The lie that we fell for is notthat we should go and pursue
those beautiful things.
(12:14):
The lie I believe we fell foris that we can have it at the
same time.
That's, I think, the lie thatwe fell for.
That's, I think, the lie thatwe fell for.
These are like God putspassions and gift sets and
dreams in our heart, becausewe're made in his image.
So we must be creators, we mustbe designers, we must be filled
to overflow with passion to runout into the world and just
(12:40):
make it a better place to be.
If we're made in his image,right, but God being outside of
time, of course, because he'sthe creator of time, he can do
all things simultaneous, but weare his created thing and we can
do all things wellsimultaneously.
Now, you know we can, but we'renot going to get that.
That best outcome that I know,in our hearts, we really desire
(13:09):
come.
That I know in our hearts wereally desire.
So I'm feeling like there's thismovement that's kind of like
you can almost start to hear thegrassroots starting to shake of
moms.
It's actually okay, it's morethan okay.
It's how you were designed andmade is to be in this marriage,
and I understand, nicole, thatthis is not the reality for many
, many people I'd say probablythe majority, given the divorce
statistics and what have you.
(13:29):
We have to think about how weplay into that too, though, but
the design is, you know, thehusband.
When you look at his energycycle, he's more in line with
the sun.
He gets up and gets a burst ofcortisol, testosterone to go out
and tackle where females weremore energetically aligned with
the rhythms of the moon, and sowe have spread out long
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suffering type of energy.
We have the ability to kind ofbe this Medusa where we are
multitaskers to the nth degree.
If you really look at a woman inher sweet spot, especially a
woman who's yielded to the HolySpirit, that's where we really
shine is.
I can totally, but I also needsleep.
I need to be nurtured too.
(14:15):
I can't only be a vesselpouring out.
My husband needs to help andpour in.
Give me opportunities to do andbe placed, do things and be
places.
That fills the cup back up, butit's really the priority is God
.
Husband is directly underneath,being informed as the Christ,
and then wife not in, not instatus, just in order, just the
(14:41):
way the design works.
If she listen.
It's hard to yield and listento what you and I are in
agreement.
If you're married to somebodyyoked, with somebody who isn't
taking his rightful place asthat, that person who would give
their life for you, so everyyes and no he utters is in your
best interest and the bestinterest of you and his children
(15:02):
.
That's not.
You're married to my, my heartdoes break because it's hard to
then carry out what you and Iare having a conversation around
right now.
Holy spirit is capable ofanything, though, and we can't
forget about second Peter'sverse that women like, it'll be
your lives, that your husbandswill be one over the way that
you will live, not your wordsand not your nagging.
(15:23):
It's the way that you will livethat will win them over.
But getting back to youroriginal question, I feel like a
good chunk of this mentalhealth crisis is just this
abandonment of the home ingeneral.
Not blaming women, but I amholding people accountable to
saying part of following Christis picking up the cross onto
(15:46):
which we sacrifice and wecrucify the desires of the flesh
.
And if my flesh wants to pull meout of the God-ordained role of
nurturer and homemaker into theworkplace at the same time.
My children desperately needshaping and molding and
relational safety and nurturing.
There's a natural consequenceto that, you know.
I remember I know it was Paulwho said, like everything's
(16:08):
permissible but not everythingis good for you.
Like you know, we can, we'refree will creatures, we can do
pretty much anything, but it'snot without its natural
consequences.
And those natural consequences,I believe, are what grieve
God's heart the most.
He made us, he knows exactlyhow we're supposed to live and
when we constantly, through ourfree will, step outside the
(16:29):
design and feel that the stoveis hot, even being warned that
it's hot, I think it grieves hisheart.
Every time, you know,individually and collectively,
we experienced that naturalconsequence of diverting from.
I made you guys.
I know exactly how you'resupposed to live and do this
life, but you keep kind of likerebelling against.
You know, against that I will.
(16:50):
And I will admit to you, nicole,like when I was very young, you
know, like, let's say, like midteens to like mid twenties, I
couldn't wait for my career.
I wasn't the kind of young girlwho sat home like dreaming
about being a mom and pushing myfood shopping cart with like.
That wasn't necessarily mydream.
My dream was, like, my career,and so the intention was to go
(17:13):
to college and to go to lawschool and be a family attorney.
It was always about family forme.
But you know, god, in his, inhis infinite wisdom, he knew the
only way to turn me around fromthat self-destructive path was
to give me a child that I wasn'texpecting.
So we were, you know, marriedfor a couple of years and my
husband was going.
(17:33):
I was supporting us both as hewas going through chiropractic
school and right towards the endwe discovered, 11 weeks in,
that I was having a baby and I'mlike, what are you talking
about?
That was truly the only thingthat would have would have been
strong, the immediate love youfeel, this idle wave, this
(17:57):
tsunami of of like, and I wasn'teven all that maternal growing
up, but the second you learnthere's life in there.
I mean everything in ananosecond changed for me, yes,
did a 180 degree pivot.
I marched right back into homeand said this is where I squat
for the next 25 years or so,like this and I mean it was a.
(18:21):
it was a little hard letting goof that.
It was a lot hard letting go ofthat professional dream.
But here I am.
Our, our kids range in age from24 to 18.
Here I am, not only doing it,and doing it without any regret
as far as like, oh, I shouldn't,I can't go back and reclaim
those years Like I was.
(18:42):
I was on man.
I gave those kids and that homeand my family, everything I had
, right.
But now, now that the rolelaunched and doing their thing
and I'm doing this beautifulcareer that's so filled with
meaning and purpose doing theirthing, and I'm doing this
beautiful career that's sofilled with meaning and purpose
(19:08):
I can see his masterful plan.
It's just, oh, it's justmasterful.
So you know, my plea is toinspire mothers to really not
bypass this unbelievableanointing on your life, which is
to first get yourself in aplace of stewardship where
you're, you know you'resurrendered to the Lord.
You, you will give anything andeverything for your family, and
(19:29):
not to the degree of completeself-deprivation.
That's not what this is about.
It's about balance and harmonyand all of that.
But I promise you, if you're acareer oriented woman, believe
me when I tell you when theylaunch, you will be so grateful
to have something meaningful topour yourself into, because the
kids are gone Like if.
I didn't have this career whereI knew I was really helping
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people and families.
I don't know I might be sittingin a corner rocking in the
fetal position because they'reall gone.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I just feel like God's order is just and right,
just perfect.
I tend to think about just thereality of seasons, right, Like
if we look at God's creation, hecreated seasons.
And I know often individualswill refer to the Proverbs 31
woman and they're like she didit all, but it didn't say she
did it all at once.
Right, and so very much likeinto your point.
I think about even in my, myown world, right, I have
(20:27):
individuals and women that Imentor that say like, oh, okay,
well, how do you do it?
Or I want to do this.
And I'm like wait, there was aseason when I had three kids and
diapers.
There was a reality that myBible probably was not open,
sometimes even once a day.
Right, I was professionalfeeder and diaper changer.
(20:49):
But that nurturing aspect is soimportant, even in that infancy
stage, right, Like the firstzero to five years is crucial,
yes, and then it continued.
I remember the time that I wasin a corporate career and never
had intentions of homeschooling,but got to this point where we
had to decide like, okay, thekids are at crucial stages.
(21:11):
Now it's first grade and secondgrade and unfortunately, the
world is telling them somethings that we're not in
alignment with.
So do I choose the career or dowe sacrifice and, yes, maybe
have to live a more moderatelife so that we can make sure
that we're doing the needfulthing of a partner?
And I remember I fought it.
I fought it like Lord.
This is not what I thought Iwas going to be doing.
(21:33):
I mean, I truly didn't think Iwas going to have these twins
and have three kids all in thesame kind of age bracket.
But here we are, where we hadto adjust.
And I remember even and y'all,I'm just being honest with you
when the time had came and myhusband said you know, the Lord
told me we need a homeschool.
And I remember looking at himlike you homeschool, like what
(21:54):
do you mean?
But now I sit and I'm like I'mso thankful.
Some of my greatest days yes,Were they challenging, but they
were so rewarding and still are.
I mean, I'm not out of it,Right, First of all, you're
never out of it as a parent, butI'm not out of it in the sense
that I have a 60 year old, Ihave twins that are 14, but
(22:16):
there's a different level, right, we're at a different season.
I tell people like they don'tnecessarily.
I'm not making your meals everyday.
I'm not doing these things butyou're definitely coming in at
10, 30 at night, like hey, canwe talk, right when I want to go
to sleep?
But there's this emotional needand so I likened to your point.
(22:37):
There's seasons, and Godcreated seasons, and we need to
pay attention to the season thatwe're in.
Even in this season, with threeteens, I'm like I can't go
running hard outside of the home.
That's why I do a businessthat's inside the home, right,
so that I'm still ever presentFive years from now.
That might be, you know, hey,we could run a little harder
outside and do more traveling,engagements and so forth.
(22:58):
And so I think, payingattention to just like we do we
don't go outside without ajacket when we know it's not the
season for it we need to payattention to the season that
we're sitting in and recognizeam I using the tools?
Am I using the things that Godgave me for this season?
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I think that is a message that's that's sorely
missing from the narrative as weraise our, our young families,
especially, you know, just justwithin the context of this
conversation, our young girls,to say it's awesome to have
these amazing aspirations.
I mean, god gave you intellect,he gave you talent, he gave you
drive.
It's amazing.
(23:39):
But you know, when Satan, satanis the great mimicker, so he
will come alongside with a, witha, with something that sounds
true, like it's never a full onlie, because we can kind of call
that out real quick.
But he comes with these doubtfilled questions Like did God
really say that?
You know, say that.
(24:00):
And I think that this is part ofnot forsaking the gathering,
because if you're in a communityof really safe women of God,
you can share where your head'sgoing and, without shame or
judgment or none of that, youcan be sharpened.
I think that's also grosslymissing.
I know it was.
(24:20):
It was okay when I was raisingthe kids, but I definitely
needed more.
But again it's everybody is atthe waterline, right at the nose
, like everybody's just tryingto survive, and I think that
that's the tragedy of thestandard American way of life,
is we're in a, we're in a hurryand we don't even know why we're
(24:41):
all like in such a hurry and wedon't even know why.
We just feel and I know thatthat Satan's energy shoves from
behind and God's love pulls usfrom the front.
So we all feel so shoved.
We know the enemy's all up inour lives, all of us, the
sabotage, and he knows he can'twin the war once you're sealed
for the kingdom.
So let me just win the day.
Let me just win this littleskirmish of the day.
(25:02):
Make you short and and, um, youknow, miss a tune to your
children.
Let me, uh, completely sap yourlibido.
So your husband, you know,never really feels that intimate
connection with you and feelsabandoned by you and children
are prioritized over him.
Now the marriage begins to thinand fracture and there's just
so many subtle but yet obviousthis side of it ways that he
(25:27):
comes in with these kind ofmicro attempts.
It's like taking a housewell-built but just every day
doing something to compromisethe integrity of the foundation,
coming in every day with likean anvil, like boom one little
bang or boom one big bang, andbefore you know it, the whole
house is starting to shake andgive way.
And that's why addressingmental health from using mom, as
(25:53):
I look at this, is.
I don't know if this isscripturally accurate and I've
never heard anybody else say it,but I'm going to say it.
Maybe you can correct me,nicole.
But this is.
I don't know if this isscripturally accurate and I've
never heard anybody else say it,but I'm going to say it.
Maybe you can correct me,nicole.
But this is.
I feel like God gave this to memany, many years ago.
So again, I said earlier likeGod is over everything,
everything right.
And then inside the home, thehusband is the representation of
(26:13):
Christ, the one who representsGod perfectly and who will give
his very life for you as his.
And then what does that leaveus?
That leaves us as Holy Spiritrepresentatives in the home.
The Holy Spirit hovers over.
The Holy Spirit makes order outof chaos.
The Holy Spirit is longsuffering and filled with
(26:34):
nurturing and compassion.
And that is female.
That is like that.
I mean it makes my own hairstand up, like you can see the
triune God in every marriage andhome if you look.
And so what we've tried to do isusurp and try to be the Christ
head too.
So we have double headedserpent, of sorts.
(26:57):
Instead, it's like no, if weall just take our position.
I mean the truth is, you know,happy wife, happy life is a is a
credo, because it's true.
So the truth is, you will notbe forsaken, you will not be
overlooking, you are subservient, you are not less than it's
kind of like if you're, if youhave an assembly line and
there's different tasks thathappen at each part of the
(27:19):
assembly line, but then thefinal final product is, let's
say, a glorious, healthy family.
Is there a?
Is there a reason why onestation location is more
priority, like anybody missingfrom that assembly line, the end
product is not making it there.
So why is one role, you know,lauded and the other one, who's
like, has, like almost a shameabout it?
(27:41):
That's where I think familystarted to really disintegrate.
At least modern family juststarted to disintegrate when
women were pulled from the homeafter war and you know like
during the wartime, and the menare all fighting and and we felt
this surge of like oh my gosh,this must feel.
This is like amazing, I don'thave to be home doing the diaper
.
I think that's where Satanreally started doing his dirty
(28:02):
work, dismantling the honor thatused to come with being a
homemaker.
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Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know okay.
So I'm going to say it's souniquely in our home we have
what we call table talks, right,and so we literally have these
little conversation points, keepthem on stands and when we sit
at the table we make sure we sitat the table and it's like at
(29:41):
minimum once a week, like let'scome together and we pull out a
table talk and one of our tabletalks that we kind of go through
what occurred from the week andI will give credit to.
There's a company called SettleCo.
It is led by dear friends,jason and Elizabeth Settle, and
this is something that theytaught me during one of a Kairos
freedom ministry training.
(30:01):
And so we sit and we ask them inwhat ways did dad represent God
, the Father, to you this week?
In what ways did you miss it?
And then we ask what ways themom represent Holy spirit to you
?
What ways did we miss it?
And then, as siblings, whatways did you guys represent
(30:25):
Christ to each other, where?
What ways did you miss it?
And so there's a reality thatthe word um help her, right,
help her comes from the Hebrewword excerpter, right, and ether
is the same word that's usedfor Holy Spirit.
It's the same word used for thesuitable helpmate, that he was
(30:46):
called the helper right.
And so, in very much like him,I I do tell women that I meet
with I'm like, hey, look at thetraits of the Holy Spirit,
because that is our role in ourhome, our role to gird and guide
right With our sensitivity.
We are more emotional beingsand there's a reason for that.
(31:07):
The man is very typicallylogistically driven right and
when we come in with thatsensitive, when we come in that
compassion side, I often thinkabout, there's a reason why the
original design and when we doit God's way was to have father
and mother in the home, becausethere's a perfect balance that
creates this peace and theretruly is a form of peace and
(31:28):
rest that comes when you're justlike I'm the wife and I value
my role.
I love what I get to do.
But there's a piece that comesfrom me not having to try and
strive to take on a role thatwas never intended for me to
carry, and that's where we getinto carrying a burden that was
never ours to carry, and eventhough we tend to try and cast
(31:51):
it up, it's like I didn't givethat to you anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, exactly to you anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
You are the first person toaffirm what God whispered just
to me personally about the womenbeing that Holy Spirit
represent.
I knew I actually didn't dowhat, you just kind of
triangulated it for me HolySpirit, edzer, and then same
(32:16):
word as suitable helper, there's.
So now we have perfection, nowwe have, I mean.
So now I mean I think that'sthat is amazing, that God will
whisper a truth.
I hear I've never heard anybodyarticulate it kind of the way
that you just did, and now Iknow that that's him.
(32:38):
Him literally speaking to meand giving me his truth without
it having to be downloaded froma person per se.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yes, absolutely, and I tell people all the time cause
we can get into, like you know,church schematics of like.
Well, the Holy spirit is in asheet.
I absolutely agree.
The Bible is very clear.
It says he.
I am not saying like the HolySpirit was a few.
What I'm saying is the traits,right, even us.
We are image bearers.
Scripture said that he createdus out of his image to be like,
(33:06):
right, like it.
So just because God, the father, which clearly would take on a
male component, and he createdme in his image, I'm still his
image bearer as a female.
So I want to clarify for anyonelistening.
Like I am not saying you know,holy Spirit is female.
What I'm saying is that thetraits and the way the Trinity
(33:26):
was designed was the example ofhow the family is supposed to be
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I couldn't agree more .
I mean, you make me even thinkabout as you say that and you
know, just trying to be carefulas as we put this, this type of
messaging into the world, thatwere accurate.
But but are any of yourchildren's sons Did you?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
did you say your son yes, so my oldest, I have a 60
year old son, and then the twinsare boy, girl, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So, oh, interesting.
So boy, girl, twins.
So do you see any of yourhusband in your daughter?
Do you see any of yourself intoyour son?
So the gender is, is just thismaterial aspect.
We know that there's nomarriage in heaven.
We know that that part of theexperience in this body, in the
and in this life will cease tobe because there's something
(34:12):
even way better waiting for us.
It's just, we are very finiteand limited in the ways that we
can articulate things anddescribe and understand things.
My ways are higher than yourways, my thoughts higher than
your thoughts.
So we, just we, we have tounderstand.
We are limited.
We're doing the best we can todescribe this indescribable God
(34:33):
in language that lands on ahuman being with its limitations
.
Yes, of course the gender islike that's kind of to me, like
something fairly small to getstuck on it's.
You know we can't put god in agender box either, like I know
that we have jesus, a male rep,but the male representation is
male is the head.
Of course he came down in amale body, male, male is the
(34:55):
head.
But I mean, this is what youknow, modern, cultural.
Now, oh, actually, I thinkspanning the human experience is
that women were marginalizedand so it's like the gender
itself.
We're trying to fight our wayback.
If you could just collapse into God himself and say I know
that you know every hair on myhead you know every thought that
(35:17):
I have.
You know, when you have yourbaby and your nurse and your
baby feeding your baby, youstudy every nook and cranny,
every hair follicle, fingerprint, lip shape.
I mean.
How much more so does he studyus as the one who knit us
together.
So how can we feel overlooked?
You're going to find your, your, your, even like level ground.
(35:41):
When you get into his word, youwill find that you matter.
He, he.
He brought his perfect son herethrough a female.
He.
He gave a female, the, theimmense privilege of being the
first to see jesus reincarnatedlike resurrected.
He's the.
She was the first one see Jesusreincarnate like resurrected.
He's the.
She was the first one, the mostunlikely of accounts coming
(36:06):
from a woman.
Like you know, we have so manyexamples in scripture of where
God lifts high the woman.
So I don't know, I just feellike let's not get caught up on
human thinking as far as likewe've got to be even and we've
got to be.
I just I don't know.
Know, I think we lose a lot inthis, like when we squander our
mental energy going there.
Yes, but absolutely we've kindof taken this to a real
(36:27):
spiritual place, but um, I'mlike, welcome to gracefield
community.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes , so, and actually you know, as
you were like, yeah, we've takenit to a real spiritual aspect,
but I want to navigate how thataffects our body.
Right, because when we feel theneed to strive for more, or
when we can't sit with the peaceof the season that we're in,
(36:55):
right, like, our faith plays arole on our work.
Our faith plays a role on oureven our physical health.
I mean, studies have shown thatwhen people have a form of
faith and hope that they'resitting in, they respond
differently even to the whatwould we call it I don't, you
probably can help me with theterm, but the medicine culture.
(37:16):
Right, that the response isdifferent when there's a faith
backing behind it.
And so when I think about whatyou're talking about.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I believe the placebo effect.
Yes, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, and so when I think about like our bodies and
I recently was listening to apodcast and she was talking
about, she was an orthopedicsurgeon and she acknowledged
that she finds that in womenthey hip replacements when they
break a hip, or hip replacementoften can be detrimental and the
(37:51):
reason being is because for solong they were focused on an
hyper extensive form of takingcare of everyone else that they
put their physical on the backburner again, trying to be all
for everyone.
Put their own physical on a backburner and the thing that you
don't see kind of deterioratingis like what's happening inside.
(38:12):
Right, so we can see outsideand be like, oh, I, you know,
even like I'd want to loseweight, but the interior thing
of that bone structure, like thecalcium in there, those things
will be deteriorating and youget to this point where, over
time, you just you know she saidthe term that she heard here as
often as I don't know how I gothere I used to not feel this
(38:36):
way, yeah, yeah, and so thatreally stood out to me because,
again, I sit in so many spaceswith women who are trying to be
all do, all for all spaces, andthen their, their own health
components physical bodies wetalk about, and mental health
are placed on the back burner.
What would you kind of like sayinto that, or do you see that?
(38:58):
Is that something that you also?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
would.
It's incredibly ubiquitous andagain, it's this, it's it's a
disordered way to carry out yourlife's calling it's so
something like just the examplethat you gave.
That makes sense to me, becausethis is just one of many
explanations and there are manyhow.
Let's just, let's say, like ahip replacement in a female,
(39:23):
probably around my age or maybea little later One of the main
contributors to that type ofbone loss there's many, but one
one sticks out in my mind ischronic high states of cortisol,
which is a catabolic hormone.
Mind is chronic high states ofcortisol, which is a catabolic
hormone.
So if you have cortisol fromchronic, unrelenting stress over
years and decades, even thebody, it breaks the body down.
(39:45):
That's its job, like that'swell, that's the side effect of.
It's supposed to be short bursthormone for for true emergency
use only like break glass incase of emergency type of
emergency use.
Only like break glass in caseof emergency type of.
Um, you know, we've got thesein a in a healthy rhythm.
We've got a spike in cortisolupon wakening and then it's.
It should take like a verysmooth, slow dip into the
(40:08):
evening where then it's at itslowest point so we can sleep and
rest and repair, but many womenhave fitful sleeps.
We've got disrupted sleep.
Children need us 24-7, 365.
I don't know about in your home, but my husband wasn't woken up
one time for stuff.
Or I have to throw up or never.
It was a and listen, I'm notsaying that to knock it wasn't
(40:32):
the healthiest of distribution.
I will say in hindsight we didthe best we could with what we
knew at the time.
If I were to be a new mothernow, there would be a little
more balance than that, but Iwould want to continue to do the
lion's share because that's whoI am and that's what I want to
do.
But but you think about as soonas you become pregnant, I don't
(40:52):
know that you're ever going tosleep again, like I really just
don't know.
Like, now that my children arelaunched, don't think sleep
comes.
The stakes are so high whenthey're no longer home.
Yes, forget about it.
And so you think, even thatchronic, even the loss, even
loss of sleep one night raisesblood sugar levels exponentially
, which because of cortisol.
(41:13):
Cortisol draws glucose out ofthe muscle and into the
bloodstream for use.
There's no lion chasing me.
My body believes that there isbecause of either ruminating
fear, thoughts or sleeplessness.
Whatever's causing a stressresponse is causing my blood
sugar levels to spike, despitenot having one bit of food in my
mouth, right?
So if that's what we're bathingin, along with a million other
(41:38):
potential contributors, butthat's just one that came to my
mind is this chronic state ofdisordered living because we're
so self-sacrificial and givingthat our bodies do degrade.
We are by far the largestpercentage of sufferers of
autoimmune disease.
Autoimmune is self attackingself because the immune system
(41:58):
becomes so disordered it can'tdifferentiate from an external
threat to an internal threat.
I actually suffered throughsomething myself with that
pertaining to gluten to, likeyou know, figured that out and
it's been profound for me takingthat out of my life.
But the body begins to attackself because that immune system
is so overworked and sooverwhelmed it mistakes bodily
(42:22):
tissue for proteins that arethreatening.
So we are the ones who suffer.
I think 80 some percent ofautoimmune sufferers are female
because we give ourselves away.
We literally like, literallyfillet open and give.
But I mean that's beautiful aslong as it's balanced.
I have this like little blackscale here that I use with
(42:45):
clients in session with a buck,like a little jar of stones and
putting on one side.
Give me all the stressors inyour life, anything that comes
to your mind, and then I want tosee what are the?
Where are those stressors beingmitigated?
How do you fill yourself?
How do you restore andreplenish?
And inevitably that scale isalways like this because, as
women were so, others focused uh, we, we, we pay tremendous
(43:10):
price.
So you know that example thatyou gave from the podcast, that
doctor, um, yeah, yeah, we dosuffer, but one of my many roles
is to highlight for these womenwhether she's the one suffering
with a mental health challengeor one of her children once in a
while.
Can you help me help my husbandOnce in a blue moon, but it's
(43:33):
usually mom, or because dads,men, don't tend to vocalize.
That's why I believe they dieIn general, they die earlier
than we do, because at least wedo what we're doing right now.
We kind of choose.
This is the woman staying homein community, all the kids, all
of the mothers talking, right.
So at least we give it, we giveit a sound and we we articulate
(43:56):
and express to a certain degree.
We give it a sound and we wearticulate and express to a
certain degree.
Men just tend to kind of stuffthat down and just keep
barreling forward and the bodyhad been giving warning signs
that will fell on the deficit ofears and then the body's just
done.
So that's usually thatdifference between why we suffer
long but.
But we communicate.
(44:16):
Men suffer acutely and nevercommunicate, and then the body
just kind of reaches its kind ofmax tipping point there.
But but that's one of the mainaspects of the education and
coaching is how aware or unawareare you of your physical,
mental state right now?
Have you ever connected all ofthe many, many dots that even
(44:38):
preceded your conception?
So we do something, I dosomething with my clients that I
call my mental map miracle, andwe just create this beautiful
timeline, over many monthstogether, of all the high and
low lights in life.
And have you gone through andgiven this an opportunity to
heal?
Have you metabolized theseharder experiences?
(44:59):
Because if not, they're aliveand well in the body and they're
causing hormonal chaos, they'recausing all types of disorders
and diseases in your body.
You've got to be.
You've got to get permissionfrom your loved ones and most
especially from yourself, totake the time to examine your
life up until now, look for thepotholes in the road and let's
(45:21):
figure out how to create a roadthat's much smoother for you in
the future, by consideringyourself too.
You have to be part of thenarrative Now.
A good husband would constantlybe saying to his wife what do
you need from me?
What do you need from me?
My husband said to me lastnight we finished up after
dinner and he said honey, whatelse can I do to serve you?
Like, when he says that to me,I'm like dude and the irony is
(45:47):
usually like nothing, nothingright, that it's like so
beautiful.
But once in a while he willactually say those words what
can I do to serve you?
That's what it should look like.
But so that's why it has to bea family experience.
You can't just like pull yourcar up, kick the person out
(46:09):
who's unwell or they're sick.
No, no, no, they didn't gethere by themselves.
They got in the context of thefamily, the whole family system.
So everybody, to varyingdegrees, needs to participate,
if for nothing else, to show thesufferer your family's here for
you, no matter what you'regoing through we will never
leave nor forsake you.
You have your family and that'swhat, that's what makes my, my
approach unique to do thefunctional nutrition, the
(46:30):
functional lifestyle you know,looking at gut health and
genetic expression and aminoacids and nutrient levels in the
cell and the integrity of thecell membrane, and you know the
food you're eating or not eating, all those types of things we
look at.
But it's the spiritualcomponent, it's the relational
component, it's gaining moreemotional mastery in your life
because the emotional masteryactually gains, gives you,
(46:53):
yields you better internalhealth because the hormonal
cascades are healthier.
You said about the placeboeffect.
We lean into hope, that thatthat generates a completely
different tsunami ofbiochemistry than leaning into
the fear of what, if that's a,those are.
This is a catabolic and this isa building up.
This is a life giving type ofbiochemistry.
(47:15):
This is a life tearing down anddestroying type of energy.
So when I set before you lifeand death and blessing and curse
, oh, that you would choose lifefor you and for your
descendants, it's leaning intothe hope molecules.
It's leaning into the trust ofyou know, I know I'm a partner
with God, but if I listen to him, he's going to tell me what to
do next, and it'll always be theright thing.
(47:36):
If I'm just listening, you know, oh so good.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Oh my goodness, I have truly enjoyed our time.
I mean, that was so good.
I tend to say I'm like we dothese recordings and I'm like,
lord, you really love me, youspeak to me through these
recordings, like it.
Each time, I'm like this is thething that I'm in and this is
what I needed to hear, and so Iwant to thank you for taking
time and joining us today.
(48:02):
For our listeners and ourviewers, I do want to make sure
that they understand and knowhow to stay connected with you,
and also just a little bit aboutsome of the services that you
offer.
What's the first step in evenevaluating where am I at with
these things?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Wonderful, nicole.
I appreciate the opportunity toshare that.
Of course it's going to be.
Just.
First stop would be at thewebsite.
Pretty much everything is thereand it's slingshot hc for
health coachingcom.
That's based off of David andGoliath.
I wrote a book called fromchained to changed, break mental
Strongholds and Transform yourLife Through Faith, and in that
(48:41):
book people can understand how Igot to the place.
I am personally andprofessionally, but
slingshothccom and SlingshotHealth Coaching on Instagram,
facebook.
I mean I'm somewhat of a socialmedia person, but not really
too big.
I'm more of this.
I just like to be where peopleare, not where the bots are.
So you'll see a little bit onsocial but, but you'll find me
(49:04):
on my website.
You'll find me um, you know, ifyou even just Google my name.
There's other um podcasts andinterviews and things that you
can come across.
But as far as services, any,anywhere from free um, free
webinars that I offer on mentalhealth and the physiology
component of that, and all theway up to, you know, six to 12
(49:26):
month programs, I do group, I dogroup opportunities, I have
one-on-ones, so all differenttypes of like points on the road
where people can meet me wherethey're at in terms of resources
, of time and money and, frankly, the the bandwidth to do the
work.
So sometimes it's just the freewebinars.
That's all I can do is justkind of consume the teaching and
(49:48):
that's totally fine and it'sout there in in the universe for
you to grow.
But then there are people whosay like, if I don't do
something now, then when?
And they're the ones whotypically engage in the six plus
month one-on-one programs.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So yeah, yes, Well, thank you again.
I mean it's been such a joy tohave you listeners.
I definitely want to encourageyou check out our show notes, as
always.
Down below we have Tracy'swebsite.
We have her social links.
Just know that.
You know, like she said, she'snot necessarily riding our
(50:22):
social media daily like that,and you can always go to her
website.
Of course, we will have thatlisted and it is listed down
there in the show notes.
There for you, Tracy.
Thank you again so much forjoining us today.
I am excited.
I'm about to go look for yourbook.
I'm going to order it.
I am signing up to get theinformation because, hey, again,
(50:45):
I care about physical, mental,emotional and spiritual, and so
even in just our conversation, Isaid this is who I need to hear
from.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Thank you so much, really appreciate you, you, yes.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, likewise, graceville community listeners,
we want to thank you again forjoining us for another episode.
Uh, as always, if you are inneed of community.
During this episode, we talkedabout the importance of having
community, having people aroundyou that you can speak to and
they can give you sound wisdom,and so if you're in need of
(51:23):
community wherever you are, weencourage you to email grow at
gracefieldcommunitycom.
We, of course, have an onlinecommunity there for you, but we
also make sure to have partnerslocated all amongst the global
continent sorry, global worldthat are available for you to
connect with.
We were not made to do lifealone and we want to help you
(51:45):
ensure that you have communityand support around you.
So, email girl atgracefieldcommunitycom if you
need a space and a partnershipof community to connect with.
Thank you again for listeningand viewing.
As always, have a blessed day.
Thank you for tuning in totoday's episode of Graceville
Community Podcast.
We would like to invite you tovisit gracevillecommunitycom.
(52:11):
Graceville Community is allabout doing church the way
Church of Acts did, using fivemain principles that we see in
the book of Acts.
Sharing resources, as believerspooled their possessions and
resources to support those inneed, as we see in Acts 2.44.
(52:31):
Through hospitality the earlyChristians practiced hospitality
by opening their homes toothers, as we see in Acts 2 and
46.
By financial aid the church inAntioch sent financial aid to
believers in Judea during a timeof famine, as described in Acts
(52:53):
11 and 29.
In Acts 11 and 29.
Prayer and encouragement theysupported each other through
prayer and encouragement, as wesee in Acts 4 and 24.
And finally, spiritual guidancethe apostles and elders
provided spiritual guidance andteaching to help strengthen and
build the community, as we seein Acts 15 30.
(53:17):
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If any of those areas are areasin which you are in need or can
contribute, please reach out toGraceville community.
We are working together acrossthe world with ministries and
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