Comfortably Uncomfortable with José Maldonado

This week on GRAFIK CONTENT, I chat with José Maldonado, the visionary behind Pink Teddy, an innovative AR marketing agency. We discuss his journey from Ecuador to Detroit, why boredom is necessary for success, landing Forbes 30 Under 30, why we love being tall, and how a bit of light stalking pays off when making the right connections.

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✔️ Why guinea pig might replace lobster on the menu

✔️ Failing, failing, failing, failing, failing, and more failing

✔️ The role of augmented reality in modern marketing

✔️ Building meaningful relationships in business and life

✔️ The importance of embracing discomfort for growth

✔️ The 1,000 reasons to love Detroit

✔️ A moment of silence for vegans and vegetarians

✔️ Metamodernism defining the 21st century

✔️ Asking your ancestors to guide you through nerves

✔️ Detroit celebrates 10 years as a UNESCO City of Design

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
And she came up to me and she stopped me.
She's like, did you understand what I meant by that?
And I was like, yeah, I think like.
And she goes, I just want to tell you, your guides, like your
your ancestors that are watchingover you.
They're very present in your life.
And she's like, and even as I'm standing here, I I smell like
seawater. I just wow, do pirates mean

(00:22):
anything to you? And I was like pirates.
And then but then I start, this is so fucked.
I shouldn't say this, but I start thinking about it and I'm
like, well, my dad's side looks very pirate like.
It's like there's like old school.
I could see them with like. The Yeah.
The space between their teeth, the whole thing.
And I was like, yeah, I could see that.
But she's like, they're very, they're with you.

(00:42):
They're guiding you. Was she like, covering your eye,
you know? You imagine it's like, I see it
now, like, but no, seriously, she goes, she's like your, your
ancestors are very present with you and they want me.
They want me to tell you that they're guiding you.
Like trust yourself and just walk the path that's been laid.

(01:03):
Stop worrying because you're annoying them.
And I was like, this lady is reading me to shit.

(01:30):
Welcome to another episode of Graphic Content, the podcast
where we talk all things who, why, and the what the fuck
moments along the way. Music.
So today we are blessed with a guest that comes from right
across the river over here. He's the visionary behind Pink
Teddy, an innovative AR marketing studio, A Forbes 30
under 30 honoree and Ted X speaker.
He blends cultural storytelling with cutting edge technology.

(01:53):
Born in Ecuador and rooted in Detroit, he launched Pink Teddy
after gaining experience with PepsiCo, McDonald's and Google.
His agency has earned recognition from Forbes and AD
Week, delivering stand up projects like an AR experience
for the NFL Draft. Expanding globally, Pink Teddy
now serves Saudi and Chinese clients from its Jordan hub.
With a team driven by remarkablethinking and unique creativity,

(02:16):
he continues to push the boundaries of marketing
innovation. Welcome to Graphic Content Jose
Maldonado. Yes, Gracias, your
representation in the Jose Maldonado, by the way.
Listen, I think it's the Italian, like my immigrant
parents, you gotta add a little something to it, right?
There we go, There we go, a realRoman language player.

(02:38):
Oh yeah. It's the amount of people that
will see like growing up, I'd get like Giovanni, I'm like,
it's Giovanni, but like, I can'texpect people to say it like
that, right? So I just kind of so if I can, I
can reciprocate. I'll do it.
There we go. And then we get to the spelling
and whenever you get a coffee, you know, like spelling Jose
with an H and I've got Hosi. Got used to it over the years.

(03:00):
I know that's the honestly part of it.
No, but seriously, I want to thank you so much for taking
part of this project. When I reached out to you, this
was before I had even published anything like this was at the
beginning of the year. I was making a list of, OK, who
do I want to have on who? Who has interesting stories, who
is doing something interesting with their lives?

(03:23):
And I had made this list and I was going through my socials and
I was like, hey, I have to get Jose.
We've been meaning to connect. For a little bit.
Now eat for a. Little for a hot minute and
finally we've been able to do it.
So I just appreciate you so muchfor coming on.
Thank you. I'm I'm Hunter.
Oh, that means so much. So I saw recently you just got

(03:44):
back from a trip. Yes, I did.
And so how was that? It was truly incredible.
I am a Quadorean originally and I was raised in a couple
countries in the Andes and I wasin Peru, and I think that it
should be a required pilgrimage for every South American.
Just actually sensing the capacity of the Ink Empire as a

(04:09):
South American makes you feel soempowered and proud of who you
are. So what did you get up to while
you were there? I mean, I know because I saw
your Instagram, but talk a little bit about that.
Yeah. Well, I, I got to do a couple of
tracking's that were not in Instagram so that we we get a

(04:29):
primary there. I was based in Cusco.
I was there for two weeks and I got to go to different ruins and
Galerias, which is sort of a system for planting to be able
to support as grow as a growing population that there was, I
learned that in a time where London was already in

(04:49):
civilization, right, They had about 20,000 people and the
Incan fire at the same time at ahundred, 700,000 people, you
know? So that's good.
Exactly. Yeah.
I said something like that, but in Spanish.
Yeah. It's a shame that we, even as
Latin Americans, don't learn thecapacity of our own empire, you

(05:11):
know? So as it covered also Ecuador, I
felt identified and just fuckingproud.
I was born in Canada, but I can relate to the essence of the
message you're saying going backto Italy and just see where my
parents are from growing up, I always said I and there's I took
this, this saying from Margaret Cho because she was sad, this
joke in one of her stand ups where she was like, you know, as

(05:33):
a kid growing up in California, like going to school, I was like
a normal all American kid. And that's how I felt here.
Like I'm, I'm very much Canadian, but the minute I would
go home, she's like, I, I was transported to another land and
I was like, absolutely, that is how I felt.
I'd go home and I was like hooking up the goat in the
basement, spinning the land for for Easter.
Like, Oh yes, Oh yeah. Same with us.

(05:55):
That with Guinea pigs, you know?Honestly I'm a carnivore so I'll
try anything and perfect is it? Does it say?
Like is it as great as it peoplesay?
Well, first of all, you're invited, so I need to go back
so. Amazing.
I'm so excited. Our partners.
Yes please, I would love that. Sounds good gate trip to Peru.

(06:18):
I love it. No, I think that it is a must.
I think that is the best way to actually travel, right?
Just be open to try new things, get into the culture that
involves food. Guinea pig, it costs pretty much
the same of a lobster, you know,So it is something that is it's
quite difficult to access. But even though the local people

(06:41):
salivate for it, as I do, and, and it is not your average, it
tastes like chicken. It tastes like butter.
Actually. It's a meat that doesn't have
any fat. It's a very healthy meat.
It's white meat, but it tastes like butter.
I think that's that's the way the best way to put it.
Would you compare it? Because the way you're
describing it, I would compare that to Rabbit.

(07:02):
Very. Yeah, in the way you're
describing it, right? Yeah, well, I think that the
quantity of meat and the textureit, it is similar like rabbit,
but the flavor is buttery. Yeah, yeah, hopefully I'm, I'm
selling it right. So you got to go.
I like I said, I'll try anything.
I'm not one of those people that's like, I don't know, like
I'm like, oh, it's something I haven't tried before.

(07:23):
I'm I'm in. The only thing I think I would.
I would not go for would be likethe puffer fish thing just
because that percentile of like oh it might.
Kill you. I would so do it I would so do
it at least like you would die knowing that you're a fucking
badass. You know you're.
Taking a risk, right? That's right, Something that I

(07:43):
did have, and I don't mean to stay in food.
I tried alpaca. It was good, it was delicious,
it was hearty. But then you get to pet them.
I know, right? Yeah, so you just see those
beautiful faces, you know, puffyand.
You have to not think about it. That's the thing.
Like the disconnect with food. You have to, I don't know.

(08:05):
I have to because sometimes I'm like.
I try nuts I. Love veal.
I love veal but. It's yeah, terrible.
I know, I know. And probably we should edit this
part and have like a a pause forall vegans that might be your
your audience. A moment of silence, exactly.
I'm going to preamp. I love that.

(08:27):
You know what, when I get to editing this, I will put.
I'm going to put that in. As you should.
I think it would be great, yeah.A moment of silence.
Yeah. They will appreciate it.
Oh my God, I'm. Going to do it to everybody.
Yes, you see, you're already artdirecting this podcast.
I love it. I don't mean to take on, I'll

(08:50):
follow your lead. Oh my God, no.
Please just listen. I'm so like LAXA days old.
Yesterday I recorded an episode with a friend of mine who he's a
story producer for reality TV inToronto.
So he does like Canada's Drag Race and shows like that.
Amazing and good contact to have.
Right. Like yeah, anyway, he's amazing
and I sent to my questions aheadof time and he was like, hey,

(09:13):
can we help on a call and was giving me feedback on the order,
right. And he's like from his
experience as a story producer, this is how you should pull the
information out in these in thissuccession.
So to get the best flow of a story so that way people can
connect. And I was like, you're and he's
like, I'm so sorry. Like, I don't mean to overstep.
And I'm like, absolutely not. I'm so open to feedback.

(09:34):
I'm I'm not precious about any of this to me, I'm learning as I
go. And so, you know, even you
saying like, I'm not trying to step, I'm like, I don't care.
Please give me feedback or even even a joke like that to me is
hilarious. Yeah.
All right. Good to know.
Good to know. I mean, we're, we're both in
communication, you know, So yeah, every time we get to
continue learning on how to communicate better, it's it's

(09:57):
well received and even better ifsomebody from RuPaul's Rack
Race, Yeah. Exactly right.
But I want to go back to something that you said you're,
you know, about the puffer fish comment about taking a risk to
me, if anyone is going to pick up their life and move across
the world to an unknown place, to me that's taking a risk,
right. So I want to ask you like, how

(10:18):
did you end up in Detroit of allplaces?
Well, how long do we have? As long as you want.
Listen, I'm. Here, I'll try to keep it
podcast friendly. So I was very blessed to be born
in a family that will be embracive of discomfort.

(10:42):
My grandparents started a business in a time that women
could not access to more other working opportunities than by
being an assistant or being at home.
So my grandpa said, like, you know, the daughters of the
family are not doing that. So he quit his job and started a
family business where my grandma, my mom, my aunt was

(11:06):
able to excel professionally. When the business was growing,
they decided to expand it to a country that we've never been
before, Bolivia. And my parents were the right or
dies of the family that considering they had a 5 year
old me and a 2 year old, they just raised their hand and say
we're going and let's do it. Yeah.

(11:28):
So that throughout time that that mentality went to my
brother and I, and I always wanted to have a similar
experience. Pair that with living in Ecuador
at the time when it was very conservative, I hadn't come out
yet, and I wanted to experience life and queerness for my own.

(11:53):
And so I applied to different colleges and I was accepted to
Alma College in Michigan, littleprivate school in the middle.
It was in the middle of nowhere.I've never been to Michigan
before, but did I say yes? Absolutely yes.
It was an incredible, formative,growing experience.
And then I met my first boyfriend ever, my first love.

(12:15):
We ended up getting married. I was young, in love and a
little stupid. Listen, it's all part of the
story, right? That's right.
Yeah. It takes you to this comfort,
right? That's why we moved to Detroit,
because he got a job in Detroit and I couldn't work then because
of my visa until it would arrive.
Then the whole thing didn't work.

(12:37):
We divorced at 23 years old and it was very difficult for me to
pass through a divorce with my first love in another country
away from my family and my daddywas a new city, so I didn't know
anybody that I could rely on. So I started to learning on on
how to take an advantage of the difficult moments in life such

(13:00):
as that one and turn it into innovation and creativity and
just a build up of the momentum.It's a very on brand because the
city that you're in is exactly that storyline, right?
And as somebody who grew up in Windsor across the border, I've
seen the evolution of Detroit from when, you know, 30 years

(13:20):
ago to now and you bitches turned it around.
And, and I say that with utmost respect, like to see the
progress that has come out of Detroit.
The amount of time also, if you go back and listen, I should get
paid for how much I give big upsto Detroit.
Like I love that city so much. You should ask for Commission,

(13:42):
yeah. I should right?
The Canadian, the Canadian ambassador.
That's right. No, but seriously, it's to to
hear your story and. Just.
Honestly, I'll do it in a second.
I, I think it is, it is a city that once you are outside of the

(14:04):
stereotype of Oh my God, is it, it is dangerous or you know,
it's, it's, it's not friendly. Once you give it a chance, This
city really hugs you in the mostwarming and and creative way
possible because of its rich history.
Detroit is has, has a a personality of its own.

(14:27):
I always say I wouldn't live in the United States if I wouldn't
live in Detroit. Yeah, you know, maybe, maybe
Brooklyn might be there, you know, Yeah.
But it is a school. But what I'm trying to say is
that the genuine welcoming personality that people have
here and the pride of how weird Detroit can be, you know, and

(14:47):
the underground, the results outof that, it's, it's, it's
unique. It really builds community.
And that's that's why I have found my home and my family.
I can quote myself from a previous episode where I was
talking about the energy of Detroit and I said, and I say
this to anybody who I talked to Detroit about, the energy of the

(15:08):
city is very much yes, we've come, we've come far.
If we've. Evolved come over and see how we
live you know not this like nosein the air energy of like Oh
yeah like, you know I go to somecities and I'm like this is not
a. Vibe.
For me, but with Detroit, it's like I think about like music
events and downtown is very lively throughout the summer.

(15:29):
I love it. And to see at any given time
these events where it's every demographic blended together,
for the most part, it's I love to see it.
Yeah, it's it's truly diverse. I mean, it's the second largest
population of African Americans in one metropoli in the United
States, the first Muslim population in the United States.

(15:54):
You know, the biggest and one Equatorial.
Yeah, Yeah. So no, it shows in in, in every
single corner, in every single opportunity that you give to
Detroit. You have a beautiful, rich
diversity and rich history that it's in company of it.
And if you're still thinking, you know that Detroit is a scary

(16:17):
city. Probably you're not meant to be
here, you know? Yeah, don't come.
We exactly, we're welcoming here, you know, and I say we
after being 10 years in Michigannow 10 years.
Yeah, congratulations. That's a milestone.
That's yes. Yes, truly.
Yeah, I'm, I'm proud of it. Yeah.

(16:38):
So now, sorry. Go ahead.
No, well, I can tell we're both so chatty so.
Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a challenge for
you to get snippets on it. Not at all.
We can just go on. No, but I love it to me.
Listen, I would rather this. Yeah, well, you know, there's
first times for everything. I I told you my first one did

(16:59):
not go. Really.
Yeah, yeah. It's experience though, a little
bit. So like, have you?
Because I know you've done like at least one other one because I
listened to it this morning. Yeah, yeah.
Podcast. Yeah, I was, I was very nervous
on it. Yeah, it was one of my first
ones. And you know, considering that

(17:20):
also, it's been a friend that we've been friends on Instagram
for a while, it was the first time that we were actually
interacting with, Yeah, I was just just cutting myself a lot.
But again, discomfort it, it improves you, it, it allows you
to to grow into my perspectives.But also similar to us, right?
We met online. This is our first time really

(17:42):
interacting and. Correct.
What do you mean we go way back behind?
We're friends with kindergarten.And you've been there for 10
years now, the evolution of let's love your path in that
time frame, like you moved to Michigan for school, you said.
And then now, having establishedthe agency, how are you viewing

(18:03):
your rootedness in the city itself?
It is a city that celebrates hope, that celebrates hustle and
and it celebrates uniqueness. And I think that that
encapsulates being Teddy. I don't think that I would have
come up with an agency that is so true to who I am if I

(18:26):
wouldn't have discovered myself in the Detroit style, right?
Being Teddy is is is is started from zero.
You know, me wearing many hats at the very beginning, not
having an experience of actually, you know, being at the
top of of the the agency. But yeah, I had hope.
I I worked my battles and I was able to also access to great

(18:52):
opportunities in a city that welcomed that.
Talk to me a little bit about Pink Teddy.
So this is your company and how did it come to be like in what
was the yes? Now I'm gonna have to like, crop
it out and screenshot it. I know a little.

(19:13):
I love it. No, but like talk to me about it
because you know, as as a solo entrepreneur, like I'm, I'm not
at the stage where you're at, where you've expanded, but in
the early days, like what, what made you think, OK, here's this
gap that I see and you want to go forward and tackle it?
I realized that in America, and I say in America because of my

(19:37):
through my experience, right, ifif you really believe in
yourself and are not afraid to ask, but people actually give
you access to opportunities. And this might be speaking also
from a very privileged standpoint.
We have to recognize that since my first internship, I got to
work with Quaker Oats and McDonald's and Gatorade, and it

(20:01):
was because I was like, I want to be there coming from a small
college. Alma, MI, right?
The thought is like, yeah, don'teven apply.
They're not even going to look your your resume, right.
But I was finding the way to connect with the owners or the
CEO's and their socials. You know, a great stalker over

(20:22):
here. That's the way to do it.
That's right. That's right.
And have a natural relationship.OK.
And going back to your question,right, How do we get to being
Teddy after that? This internship got me to
Google. I was working there with
marketing department, inserting Google News into Mexico, Spain

(20:43):
and US Hispanic. And the moment, the how moment
was I am in my dreams company right now and I don't feel
wholesome. I, I feel that I, I, I could try
new things, right? And at the end, I remember one
of my, my mentors there in Google was telling me, you know,

(21:06):
if, if we ask for a nine, maybe you can give a 10, maybe you
give an 8, right? But we need that nine.
And for me in the, in my moment was like, I want to try an 8A7
and an 11, you know, because thecompany that is not testing,
that is not experimenting, is dying.
So I felt that it didn't have the creative freedom to just

(21:29):
try, just test, be in discomfort.
And that's what when the idea ofstarting being Teddy started.
Now, the pandemic hit right after I started and it was very
challenging, I'm not gonna lie. I remember, I think we touched
base on it actually, I think we were chatting DMS back and forth
a little bit about that time because everybody was like, what

(21:51):
the fuck is going on, you know? And so how did that not to, you
know, plug the tagline, but how did that like, what the fuck
moment for you shift you to get you to where you are today?
I started from zero and my firststep was just connecting with my
network of, of friends and professional network say, hey,
I'm starting this. I have no idea what I'm doing,

(22:13):
but this is how I plan to differentiate on what we can
provide for you. And luckily there was 1
nonprofit here in, in Detroit. It's called the Southwest
Detroit Business Association andI support it now.
That believed in US and they were one of our first clients
and that allowed us to build bigimpact in terms of community

(22:38):
engagement for Detroit. They were all the nonprofits in
the city that go to hear of whatwe did and how we did it.
And so that was the the first step that after leveraging on my
own network, I got one person orone organization that believed
in US and that went, you know, so on.
Yeah, to to working with big corporations.

(23:00):
That's all it takes though, right?
Is this You just need the one. Yeah, and it might not come
right away. You know, this was in a year and
a half after, which is sounds fast, but believing pandemic
living of your savings, not knowing what to do every single
day was very, very challenging. And, and to this point, we don't

(23:23):
know what the fuck we're doing, right?
We just, we just believe in ourselves, believes in, in, in,
in creativity and innovation andalways ask the question how, how
do we make it a little bit different?
I'm exactly in the same mind frame as you.
I believe 100% any time where I have shifted gears and have

(23:43):
evolved has always been in thosemoments of discomfort where
yeah, I always say this like my experience and these are my
words for myself. But I always know it's time to
or I'm moving into a new era or chapter where I'm I know I'm
about to evolve. Whether it's professionally and
personally is when I'm sick of my.
Interest. You know what I mean?

(24:03):
That is right. It's not working anymore.
What am I doing? Whether it's like in my personal
life or in work? And you get to this point where
you're like, I got to do something.
And then that's when everything changes and you feel a lot
lighter and you can move forwardwith a bit more speed.
You, you have to get to a point of questioning, right?
I have a mentor from Argentina. He used to be, he used to give

(24:26):
some classes in Harvard. His name is Walter Chavez.
And he told me that you, there's, there's 2 ladies that
you have to welcome in your lifein order to improve.
One is loneliness and the other one is boredom.
Once you those ladies are present in your life, that's
when you get to know who you areor who you can get to be.

(24:51):
How can you innovate and create?You're speaking to my soul right
now. I like, I'm not kidding you.
Even on a personal note, I can maybe I'll get vulnerable for a
minute, but the loneliness piecethat the last few months I have
been knee deep in work. I've been focused on this
project, the podcast, I've been focused on so many client

(25:14):
projects. I've not really been super
social. I've kind of isolated myself in
so many ways where I've been so hyper fixated on building for
this next phase of my life. I'm feeling that right now
because I've, I've deliberately isolated myself, but I also feel
like it's been in the big schemeof life.
This is exactly where I need to be.

(25:34):
And it's allowing me to think about, OK, who am I now at
almost 37 years old, who am I and what do I want out of this
next phase of the business? Because I've been doing it for
on my own for 8-9 years now. And.
Kudos for believing in you constantly.
Yeah, I it's hard. And you know this, right?
It is, it really is, right. So the fact that we have worked

(25:58):
with client AB or C or that we have get to a point of getting
into a publication that doesn't mean that everything is
constant. There's always going to be ups
and downs. So first of all, I, I give you
a, a virtual hug and tap in the shoulder for, for making it to 8

(26:20):
years. You know, that is something that
not everybody has, you know, that, that persistence.
So, so kudos to Yoji. Listen, I just can't go back to
it. I can't go back to working for
somebody else. I'm like, I'd rather work harder
than yeah, do it. I can't.
I can't do it. Yeah, yeah, once you get that
buck bite of entrepreneurship, you know, it's hard to go back.

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Entrepreneurship, the point thatone wants to get is to be
comfortable in discomfort. That's that's where where all of
us want to reach. It's not that I think that is
the measure of success, right? Is is not how much you're making
ROI every month is are you able to navigate the next challenge?

(27:03):
If the answer is yes, I think that you are fucking successful.
Listen, kudos. I agree with you 100% because
that's something that I'm actually not to make this about
me, but just because we're talking, I can only speak from
my experience is the before thisidea of comfort was always, oh,
you want to not feel that, right?
You want to feel like everything's taken care of,
everything's good. And that's when you know you've

(27:25):
made it. And I'm realizing now I'm like,
no, that's not the case. That's not the case.
I those are expectations that weset that that we believe it's
going to happen, but it it will never happen.
I have met friends or clients and now are friends that are

(27:46):
already up there, you know, making over expectations of
their own goals and they are still, you know, with an
everyday lesson that puts them in discomfort.
I think that if we have the mindset of I am never going to
be in discomfort and I'm comfortable with that.
You have, you know, you're basically elevating already a.

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100%. Yeah.
So talk to me a little bit aboutwhat it is that you actually do,
because I want to like for anybody who's listening who
doesn't know like what is Pink Teddy and and what do you offer?
Yeah. So Bing Teddy is a marketing
innovations agency through AR. We started doing traditional
marketing at the beginning, you know, so it was more of

(28:32):
community engagement and data recollection, website design,
social media content and contentcreation.
But it is a saturated market andfor us, it was very difficult to
make a name for it for us through that.
So it wasn't really until we started doing augmented reality

(28:55):
activations and leveraging the technology to just go even
further and do immersive experiences.
For example, for something that just started as a face filter,
that's when it really boomed forus.
So I think it took 2 1/2 three years for us to just continue

(29:16):
believing, trying, failing, failing, failing, failing,
failing, until the moment that we've found something that we
can be not only good at, but different.
And that was an immersion with technology in art.
I love it. I think that that is the
foundation of success long term.I know and I'm not.
This is not trying to sound likesome like raw, raw business

(29:38):
podcast, like I'm not, you know,I'm not Chris Doe, like that's
not the vibe here, but I I genuinely believe like the the
amount of times that you fail isI'm like, OK, I I sucked at that
and that's OK. Yeah, it it gets really hard.
So, you know, it affects you personally in so many ways.
It affects your private life in so many ways.
You just have to keep believing,you know, and in terms of the

(30:01):
private life, you also start filtering on who believes in
what your purpose is, and those are the ones that you want to
stick together. I wanna pick at that because
I've had that experience as wellwhere you have so many things
that you're working on and you get like, you get excited about
things and you talk to certain people about it and you get the

(30:21):
like, they're never gonna feel that excitement that I do.
But sometimes I'll talk to certain people and I'm like,
does this not sound cool? Like what do?
You mean how are you not? Excited.
And they're just like, yeah, whatever.
And I'm like, OK, you're not somebody I can go to, to maybe
you know what I mean, to mirror that back to me.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah. Those are not your clients.

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Yeah, I, I really follow Seth Godden.
I think that he is just my breadand butter of marketing.
And in one of his podcasts, he said that you should be the best
salesperson for your competitors, right?
So it's whenever you are sellingyour services and the person

(31:02):
just does not align with what you're offering, you know, you
are the first one to tell them, you know, go find AB or C that
might align with you. Because we, we want to narrow
down, we want to find really theniche, not only for products and
services, but also to the peoplethat connect with us creatively.
And those are the ones that you want to work with.

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Those are the relationships thatlast.
A big part of the shift that forme was coming to terms with the
idea that my business had to be in the same operation as me as a
person, especially as a solo entrepreneur.
Like the way I operate. I have to operate the business
that way. There can't be a disconnect.
And to me, I think that that really allowed me to hone in on

(31:49):
relationships. I think relationships are such a
big. I was like, OK, I'm a service
provider and now I'm like, no, I'm a partner.
I'm your, I work with the clientfor you.
Now that you've amassed you quite a few accounts, like
you've worked with some big names, talk to me a little bit
about how that those relationships are current state
where you've gotten to a point where you're like, you're
working with some pretty big names.

(32:11):
Yeah, yeah. Everything has just been
believing that you can do it as,as cliche as it sounds, you just
have to have the faith that whenever you're reaching out to
these people, they are also humans.
And they are actually eager to connect with others, you know,
and to offer access to opportunities that they probably

(32:32):
had in their upbringing. So, yeah, I just really niche
down do my own research on who is the creative director of this
type of account that I'm workingwith.
Do they not have an Instagram? OK, whatever.
I'm going to find their uncle that is an Instagram and see how
I can reach them out, you know, so, so it's it's it's all about

(32:55):
just just having the perception on.
I don't know the way, but I knowthere is a way.
I read recently that there was anew language of pre Mayan that
was just decoded and it was a a translator, not a translator, a
decoder that was found a way. And when he was asked what was

(33:19):
the process that he was, he usedto find it, he said, I just put
in my mind since the very beginning that this was a
language that has been spoken already and therefore it's a
language that I can speak, you know, so it's, it's just that
mentality. You can literally do the
impossible if you believe that there's a way to do it.

(33:40):
Yeah, it's the mental blocks. And once again, I'm not trying
to sound like woo woo or whatever, but it's the it's the
truth. If you tell yourself I'm not, I
can't do it. You will never do it.
Yeah. Sorry to go back to your
question, you don't. Please do not apologize.
You do not need to apologize. This is how.
Conversation. Yeah, yeah, just delicious.

(34:01):
AB and C options, you know that that we're covering.
So considering this, this that you can do it if you believe it,
you connect with people and you ask.
So for example, that the the NFLone that is the the one that
caught the eyes of Forbes over here.
It was just going into arts, a public arts meeting here in

(34:24):
Detroit and there was kind of like the minister of arts.
It's literally creative directorof Detroit, kind of Rochelle
Williams, and she was speaking on how the NFL is going to be
here for the draft and such. So after the the the speech, I
went to approach her and said, like, I want to work with the
NFL. So he connected me to the next

(34:44):
person, to the next person, to the next person to the point
that I got 2% for Mariana Solis,which is the head of global
marketing for NFL. Right.
A girl. Yes, Exactly.
Yeah, yeah. So there's no magic formula, you
know, It's, it's, it's just having faith in you, man.

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I once, years ago, I so I lived out West for a little bit in
Alberta and a friend of mine, wewent to the two of us, we went
to this, it was like a full moonmeditation.
So I was like, you know what, I'm I'm going to be open to
this. I'm going to go.
And it was the woman who was running the, the evening was,
she was a medium. And so we went to this thing and

(35:31):
it was more of meditation. It wasn't like on the medium
part. But she went around the room
and, and went to every person and just said like one or two
words, like a, a quick sentence.Cuz she's like, I don't have
time to do a reading for 30 people in the room, right?
So she goes to each person and says like a little thing and she
goes to me and she looks at me and she goes, stop stressing.

(35:51):
The path has already been laid for you.
You just need to walk it. And I was like, OK, like what?
I know this is like almost 10 years ago.
So then you know it. And it's in the middle of
winter. This is Alberta.
So it's like -40 out, it's freezing and getting our coats
and I'm getting ready to leave whatever.
And she came up to me and she stopped me.

(36:13):
She's like, did you understand what I meant by that?
And I was like, yeah, I think like she goes, I just want to
tell you, your guides, like your, your ancestors that are
watching over you, they're very present in your life.
And she's like, and even as I'm standing here, I, I smell like
seawater. I just wow, do pirates mean

(36:33):
anything to you? And I was like pirates.
And then but then I start, this is so fucked.
I shouldn't say this, but I started thinking about it and
I'm like, well, my dad's side looks very pirate like.
It's like there's like old school.
I could see them with like. Yeah, the.
Space between their teeth, the whole thing.
And I was like, yeah, I could see that.
But she's like, they're very, they're with you.

(36:53):
They're guiding you. Was she like, covering your eye,
you know? You imagine it's like I see it
now, like, but no, seriously, she goes, she's like your your
ancestors are very present with you and they want me.
They want me to tell you that they're guiding you, like, trust
yourself and just walk the path that's been laid.

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Stop worrying because you're annoying them.
And I was like, this lady is reading me to shit in this in
this room. But it was something that and I,
you know, we're human. You don't always hold on to that
message. But I keep trying to remind
myself that in those moments where I get like, nothing's
working and like, uh huh. Or like, I'm, you know, I'm
failing, whatever. And it's, it's you're moving

(37:34):
forward, like, relax, just chill.
And and you're doing the thing, you know.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's so powerful
to believe that somebody has done already there for you can
even more if you have that family attachment to my family
overcame this and such. So I can do it.
One of my professors from college, his name is Steve

(37:56):
Meyer. He's used to be the former CEO
of Welsh Allen, which is a medical device company here in
the US. And he told me once, you know,
before entering a meeting, speakto your grandparents and say,
like, please come with me to this meeting, you know, and they
were entrepreneurs. You might find what works with
you in terms of getting that empowerment in, in building that

(38:21):
bigger, bigger person, you know,that sits down in the table.
And that really worked for me. It's it's been incredible.
They've been with me in many allocations.
What was the business? Because you kind of talked about
it, but you never said, yeah, sorry, it was what is Spanish?
Schools. We started working with

(38:42):
universities from the US to the point that they ended up working
with the UN and the World Bank and International Red Cross.
And we were, we grew up with, with ambassadors, you know,
staying in our house, you know, like giving them my room with
all my toys around. They were staying in my house.
Amazing because they're doing, they were learning Spanish, they

(39:04):
were doing cultural immersions. So, so yeah, it was a really
open upbringing to what the world has for you in the future.
We have to do dinner like you and I have such like similar
backgrounds. We gotta not the like the
entrepreneur being brought down from generations like we gotta,

(39:25):
we gotta meet like. You you got it, you got it.
I think that it's it's long timedo.
Absolutely, because I think we connected like 8-9 like it's
been at least almost a decade. Yeah, because.
It's when I I think it's when I first moved back to Windsor.
Yep, I remember the conversationwhen they told me that.
Yeah, nine years. Crazy.

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Oh my goodness, I know. But no, seriously, this.
At all time. Let's do it.
Let's get together. I definitely wanna see you.
How? Did that.
How did that event? If not, I'm gonna throw you a
cop with a with a cord in there over the river.
Hello. Oh my God I love it.
This is off topic but I because we talked about it earlier about

(40:09):
the event, but how did that event go?
Like how would the the AR in fashion?
That event was for Design Core, so Detroit is that UNESCO City
of Design. There's only a very few cities
in the world that do that. And every September the city
becomes a design hub, right? So we were asked to participate

(40:31):
in one of their displays. It was with the store here that
is locals called Grayson. We just created an immersive
experience whenever instead of actually selling the article of
clothing because who sells anymore?
You know, everything is just saturated.
So you just have to do somethingthat actually attracts people

(40:52):
with the most empathetic way. Like if I'm getting your
attention, if I'm getting your time, it better be something
more than they have a wolf past their logo at their mascot.
And so it was getting into a forest where animals and the
wolf would be around you. You can have a three 60°
experience through your phone and mind that this is a mental

(41:15):
reality that is through the phone, through smartphones,
right? I really dislike the idea of
having something vague here thatcovers you from the other
person. So everything that we do is just
accessible for everybody. All you need is the smartphones
scan a code and you got it. I love it.
Are you doing anything this yearfor Design Month?
Yes. Can you talk about it?

(41:36):
If you can, it's OK. Well.
Yeah, I'm excited. Are you invited?
I would love that. Please.
Yeah I I missed, I missed the opener party last year and this
year I'm not missing it. I'm coming.
I will be there. I even like I know drinks by
design was last night and I justcouldn't make it cuz after this
recording I have to book it to London ON so I had to pack and

(41:59):
get my shit together. But I love how many events
happened in Detroit and I'm, I'mnot trying to bulldoze this
conversation to just talking about Detroit, but I just, I she
deserves it. She deserves it.
Honestly. I.
Just spotlined right there 24/7.100%, but I'm so excited.
I look forward to whatever it isthat you're working on.

(42:21):
I will absolutely be there and you do.
Do you know what when it is? September.
No, no, like what time of the month?
Because I'll be gone at the end.It's going to be the whole month
actually, we don't have a specific date for our
activation, but if it was like last year, it will open
September 1st and it's going to be open for the rest of the
month. OK, amazing.

(42:41):
So hopefully you can make it. Yeah, it's also the 17 set, no
15th anniversary, also the UNESCO designation.
So it's going to be a big party in Detroit.
I'm excited, I love it, it's so fun.
Talk to me a little bit about the Forbes 30 Under 30.
When did they reach out to you and how did that come to be?

(43:02):
After we had the activation withthe NFL, right, it was the NFL
draft. So it really caught Ice.
And I heard that there was goingto be a Forbes in Ecuador
opening. So again, I figured out who was

(43:23):
the person that was bringing thefranchise from the US to Latin
America. I reached out to them.
I told them that we are an agency.
And he caught me there belligerently.
And he said, like, I have to call you there.
We have so many agencies reaching out to us.
You're not one of the first. And I was like, OK, OK, but

(43:44):
wait, there's. Yeah, we we actually have won.
Our name is Pink Teddy. And I should tell you that we're
quite different, you know, so heheard us and we got the first
article on Forbes. And so that that got us featured
in it. It was before the 30 and their
30. And I guess throughout time,

(44:05):
they just kept an eye on the projects that we were providing,
on how we were accomplishing ourgoals and just how different we
are. It really builds A narrative.
I guess they just kept an eye onus.
It's incredible. Obviously, it's a honor.
It's a title that I hold even inmy Instagram bio, which you

(44:28):
should. Yeah, thank you.
But once you're there, right? And you remember what you used
to think of of these people thathave titles like this before,
you're like, you know, someday I'll be like that.
But then you realize it's like, yeah, they they are also just
like you and I, right. It really doesn't change

(44:49):
anything, but it builds a desireto go to the next big thing, A.
100% I think that the, and you've talked about this a
couple times, the disarming nature of the realization
around, oh, these are just people where you can cut through
the titles and the the honors and all the things.

(45:11):
And it's like, yes, these peopleare doing amazing things, but it
also makes you for me anyway, itmakes me realize like, who's to
say I can't, you know, who's to say that I can't do those
things? Congrats.
Honestly, like that's amazing that you were recognized in that
way. I do this every episode with
everyone I talk to, but like I don't, I'm not wanting to blow
smoke up your ass, but I say this in the most like to see

(45:34):
somebody who is humble. You know, your energy is down to
earth to hit your goals, work hard, achieve and to still
maintain a general sense of, yeah, it's about the work.
It's not like there's no ego involved.
To me, that's so commendable. And I just like, I love to see

(45:56):
it. I love to see it in the world.
Thank you. Thank you, Jill.
Yeah, I I think that knowing this before getting this would,
would have resulted so many moreopportunities also.
So I guess now that I accomplished what I wanted, it
means a lot to hear and feel that I am affecting others in

(46:20):
the most positive way. It seems organic, if that makes
any sense. Where it's, yes, you have to
work hard, yes, you have to put in the effort, but there's a
humanity to your brand, even though you're in augmented
reality. Like there's a humanity behind
it which, you know, doesn't always go hand in hand.
Right? Yeah.

(46:40):
I mean, always having the human touch in there, Yeah, we're
welcoming of new technologies and advancements and just what
the future really means. But we're actually, I think that
that makes us closer to the human part of creativity.
So as far as the experiences that you have created, do you

(47:02):
have any projects in particular that you look back at and say,
you know what, we we did the damn thing with that.
Yeah, we recently had one with Fiat, actually.
I think I have the cart here. Yeah, so it was carts like this.
Cute. I love the colors.
Thank you. Yeah.
So this is the Chinko Chanto, the the new Fiat electric rose

(47:24):
gold. And so we had an opportunity to
demonstrate a demo of what we can do to work with Stelantis,
which is the umbrella, the mother company of Fiat.
They also have like Alfa Romeo and Chrysler Jeep and such.
But our time frame is usually one month right to from concept
to delivery, which is really quick.

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I am proud of that. That's I was like, that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, I'm proud of it. It's just the baddest thing.
But the contact from Fiat told us, OK, there's going to be an
opportunity to display. You guys have four days, so we
didn't have the time to scan thecar.

(48:06):
Talk about Drag Race. I swear, I swear, Oh my God, we,
there were just a couple weeks big burns.
You know, in those four days we were able to create a really,
really cool experience. And I'll, I'll share the video
with you. We want to add it.
To. Please, I would love that.

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So basically you, you scan it, right?
And so the whole car comes here and you get, you know, a version
of like the car would be physically there in this size in
your pocket. So you can take it in your
pocket, share with your friends.Most of the reactions were like,
I cannot wait to show it to my kids, right?
And so that was the idea, right?Get excited about a car.

(48:49):
When do we ever get excited about receiving advertising from
cars? Never, never.
You probably just throw it away in the next basket.
But these people were actually keeping it in their wallets,
showing it to their kids. And guess what?
Those kids afterwards become thebest salesperson ever because
they're not going to stop until they get, you know, the.

(49:10):
The Rose. Gold card.
That's right. So I think that that was
something that I'm very proud ofmy badass team on, on the
accomplishment that we were ableto create this in four days and
established an ongoing relationship and projects that
we're pitching now with them. In a saturated market of like a

(49:33):
market of saturation, when it comes to just being sold to,
we're constantly being sold to. And how do you stand out from
the cacophony of voices trying to get you to spend money?
Right. And so even just the the term
excitement, especially in a world where, let's be real, in
the state of that, we're in the state of the world, it is very

(49:55):
difficult to find excitement, especially for a product that
already is like you're exactly where you need to be.
And I don't need to tell you that, but it's, it's just, you
know, you're doing the damn thing.
Yeah. Yeah, it's everything.
As soon as you open your phone, it's just saturated of sales,
right? So yes, the golden actually says
this. We need to find a way of how to

(50:16):
market with them instead of at them, right?
You just need to be empathetic and says if I have precious
beautiful 5 seconds of your time, right?
How am I actually going to give it back to you?
So you mentioned you're a bad ass team.
The word leadership gets thrown around a lot.

(50:36):
How would you describe your personal brand of leadership as
somebody who has your A team? I believe in equality.
I don't believe in you sitting in the big chair, you know, or
having a different status, or asit is in Latin America, to treat
your superior as a superior. We're all friends.

(50:59):
We're all equals. We get to share about our
personal life. I hate the idea on keep your
professional life with your private life separate.
I think it's very corporate and and we are trying to be as away
from that as possible. So I think that my, my mission
of leadership is, is just makingsure that equality is the first

(51:22):
and foremost core of everything that we do daily.
I love that. Honestly, that's the way to do
it. To me, having worked agency,
there's a reason I started thosefirst four years in that
environment because it taught meso much about, OK, I can pull
what I need from this, but then leave behind what doesn't suit
me. And to me, I was, I always felt

(51:42):
even at, you know, the young ageof 20, early 20s, being like,
why are we not all on the same page?
Like we all have three differentjobs.
Let's make it about the work andnot about status.
I didn't understand the hierarchies and it just made it,
it's so convoluted. I'm like it's taking away from
the work. Yeah, thinking about your
humanity. Yes.

(52:02):
When did we ever think that thatwould be an efficient practice?
You know, there was a comment. Because I I, I become friends
with my clients. Not only with my team, but my
clients. Same honestly.
Yeah, yeah, you, you. That's the way to do it.
I mean, our work as entrepreneurs is hard as as it
is, so why not just make it a little bit easier, make it fun

(52:23):
feeling that exactly you're hanging out with your cool cats.
You know, there's nothing wrong with opening to the people that
you're seating every single day,you know, Monday to Friday for 8
hours and just just invited themfor a coffee, you know, and then
later on getting to know when did they break up.

(52:46):
Yeah, You know, it's just just building, building capacity on,
on your ability to be happy everyday.
It's this kind of thing too, right?
Where, you know, we're having a conversation.
It's yes, we're talking about our work and what we do.
But at the end of the day, behind the facade of our of our
work, we are people. And, you know, we can shoot the

(53:07):
shit and, you know, we're going to grab dinner.
We're gonna, I keep saying, but I'm like, because I genuinely
want to have dinner. I want to hang out because I'm
like, OK, great. We have so much more in common
than I thought. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That that is how the world works, you know, yeah, there's
there's the say, you know, it's it's money and sex drive the
world. But I 100 best friendships.

(53:28):
They do yeah, they they built one and two.
Maybe, you know, they're first and foremost.
I'm just so appreciative that you have taken time to do this.
Like it just means the world to me, honestly, because I'm, I'm
not a big show, like I'm very new.
But for anybody who, you know, like you said, like with your

(53:50):
first project where someone tooka chance, like you're saying yes
to something that didn't exist three months ago.
And to me, it just means so muchthat you're taking time out of
your day to do this. I think that you are enormous.
Yeah. In the way you say.
We're not a big show, and that'sa yet, right?

(54:12):
You are as big as you want to be.
Yeah. So thank you for having me here,
for inviting me. I told you in the beginning, I
feel honored of being a part of graphic content.
Thank you. I'm not done with you yet,
though I do have a couple more questions.
I was ready. Really nice.

(54:35):
It's about time. Yes.
Listen, I have you for an hour and a half.
We can talk. Yeah, yeah, we can talk all day,
please. So one of the things I found
interesting in the intake form. So I sent you the question or
the, you know, fill in what you want to talk about beforehand.
And you had mentioned stoicism and metamodernism.
And so I'm going to be honest, Inever in my life have I heard

(54:58):
the word metamodernism. And so a, I'd love for you to
talk about that a little bit andwhy those particular things
shape the work behind in your leadership.
Like, I just talk to me about why those were things that you
wanted to discuss. OK, beautiful.
Let's start with Stoicism. This is the the the most basic
1. Stoicism is a philosophy that

(55:20):
teaches you to stop and see yourlife from an outside
perspective, from a bigger perspective, and realize that
the sufferings and the negative points that you're passing
through are miniscule compared to the blessings that you have.
And it is a philosophy that teaches you to appreciate the

(55:43):
difficult moments of your life and teaches you to have faith
that later in in the next week, the next month or in a decade,
you're going to remember that difficult part.
And you're going to be thankful because you are now in this
position of your life that wouldnever have happened if you were
not in this difficult space. And then meta modernism.

(56:06):
There is philosophical currents that divide the centuries,
basically, right? And that's how we, our Western
society understands time. The three latest ones is
modernism, right? Postmodernism.
And then meta modernism, which is our current philosophical

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society, the one that really defines the 21st century.
I'll get into why so modernism was pre World War 2, right?
It is a time that basically is the American dream right in in
society tells you as long as you're part of a social fabric,
you are going to be successful. You're going to marry, you're

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going to have a car, you're going to have your own white
fence house. As long as you're part of a
system, for example, and back then it was communism and
capitalism or you just have to be part of one religion, you're
going to be happy. You're going to have a perfect
community, right? World War comes and of course

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that was reflected in art in anytypes of media, right, all the
way into World War comes, right?The Second World War and the end
of the it's it's Michael Pollock.
This is AUS artist that just created a contemporary art that
is about rebellion, right? And you see that he really uses

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the brush just to create this disastrous beautiful pieces.
And it really shows the end of Idon't believe that being part of
a social fabric will make me happy or successful.
So then post modernism comes andpostmodernism is the age of
rebellion, right? It is about the hippie movement,

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for example, or the Memphis movement in art.
So you see buildings in architecture like the bat house
architecture, that it is about making something that normally
was cube now making it funny, right?
Or colorful, or instead of beinga cube, now it's shape like

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this. So you see pieces of furniture,
for example, like that. So that takes us to meta
modernism where we are today, right?
Meta modernism is a mixed of both, and it's a middle point of
it. OK.
And there's a term that is called oscillation.
Oscillation means to be sad and happy, but also be sad and happy

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at the same time, right? If you want a clear, easy
definition of what meta modernism is, is the movie
Everything Everywhere All at once?
We're we're in different realities, but we're the same
person, right? We are in an age that we feel
lonely, but we have access to somany technology that puts us

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together, right? We are in an age that is
navigating through personal lifestruggles, economic crisis, the
pandemic, genocides, right, that's happening in Palestine
right now. And we are just trying to find a
way to be ourselves, consideringwe have to be aware in believing

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in all of these realities. So that is meta modernism.
And we see meta modernism already in different cinemas.
For example, if you look at Disney's new movies, they're
about bringing the old, right? So for example, The Lion King
and remaking it as a real life right.

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That is an example of how meta modernism is shaping not only
our generation, but the whole century.
There's going to be some time inthe future that people say
modernism started here, post modernism started here, and meta
modernism was what they find that century.
That's us. And so your work in AR, where do

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you see there being the crossover with AR and meta
modernism where that's like theycome together?
Yes, yes, I forgot about that point.
Thank you. What does AR mean?
Is augmented reality, that is meta modernism, right?
It's a reality that has also another factor of technology of

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art, but that emerges into one. And I think that that is the
main reason on why people now want to invest in a mental
reality and believes and understands why a mental reality
is the way to market now. It is because of meta modernism.
I could talk to you all day, youknow, you're so smart.

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I just love the way that you candetect so many different parts
of just even not even just reality, just a like existence.
And how if we think about the evolution of the world that
we're in because we're moving atlike hyper speed, things are
moving so fast. But then at the same time, like
you're saying that everything all at once, everything is

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moving so fast, but at the same time, it's this that loneliness
factor that, that solitude, thatsingularity that sits within
this bigger picture. And so I don't know what that
means for the collective. Personally, I want to believe
that we're moving towards, how do I say this, the systems that

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we have been born into, that we've been indoctrinated into
from birth. Obviously they're falling apart.
We can see that. But I want to believe that
through all of the the things that come with it, just breaking
necks. Sorry, I love it.

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I'm a very tall person so I haveto fix my my vertebra once in a
while. How?
Tall are you? 6/2.
Oh, I'm 63. I love it.
Oh, OK, you're taller. Just a couple, couple of big
boys. Very tall person for for I Latin
American. Same for Italian my you should
see my parents. They're tiny.
My mom's like 5-2, my dad's 578 like.

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Wow, Yeah, wow. Where?
Where we where did we come from?No idea but I'll I'll wrap it
till the day I die. I know I so love it I.
Love being tall. I don't even remember what we
were talking about. Yeah.
Yeah, we we were touching top point on how that translates to

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our industry. What I was saying was the
systems that, you know, we've been born into, they're they're,
they're falling apart. And as we're seeing this like
final ditch, this last ditch effort to keep things as they
are, you know, and we're seeing that struggle.
I want to believe that this period that we're going through,
and this is my own perception, but I, I believe that, like our

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souls, if you want to believe inthat we are chose to be here at
this time. There's this is a pivotal time
in the in the history of the world, I think to see where
we're going. I think it might get a little
bit worse before it gets better.Part of me wants to believe that
this seclusion or this loneliness that we're all
feeling even through this age ofinformation is for a reason to

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snap us out, like to hello, you're.
You're missing the point of why you are here, which to me is to
connect in a way that is beyond our differences.
Like, I think we're realizing now more than ever that all the
things that we hold onto that make us different are exactly
what make us the same. And at the end of the day, we

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come from the same place. We go back to the same place.
And I'm talking like, post this life, right?
And I don't know, I'm rambling, but like, I just want, I want to
believe that we're on this path that is actually going to reach
us to where we're meant to be inthe history of humanity.
Yeah. I I think that we come to this,
this, this place for two reasons, to learn. 100%.

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And to make all their human beings lives, experiences better
than what they are. Are you an Eckhart Tolle reader?
No. Have you read Eckhart?
That's like his whole, his wholething is about, you know, we're
here for two reasons, to help each other and to learn that's.
I would love to check it out. I want to thank you so much for
coming. This has been like so nice.

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I appreciate your time. I've learned so much about you.
Like I said, I look forward to meeting even though we live
literally like 15 minutes from each other across the river.
Once we don't cross. Yeah, no, I'll drive.
I'll do the. I'll take the tunnel.
But yeah, thank you. You know, it's it's been a
pleasure to to finally have a face to face conversation after

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8-9 years. Yes, I know.
Of being Instagram friends, I think it was a must do and I
actually think that it was a great idea that we waited until
we have this opportunity to connect because I feel that we
just have to. Yeah, so many things that needed
to be shared and hopefully more coming.

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I absolutely, like I said, let me know in the future if there's
anything going on. I will absolutely be attending
in September, but let's not waittill then.
Sounds good. We have witnesses.
Yes, absolutely. So if anybody listening wants to
reach out to you, get in contactWork with Pink Teddy.
Where can they find you online? Sure.

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So yeah, I work with marketing, but I'm a millennial, so I
Instagram is the best way to connect with me.
So Jose in Detroit, Jose is Josein Detroit.
That's my personal one. And pinkteddy.co is our company
wise. That's just the debate to reach
out and probably you'll see that.

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Send me an e-mail, I'll take a couple minutes.
Send me a DM and I already responded.
I know, right? I'm kind of the same.
Yeah. And to anybody who would want to
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I am new to this world. And once again, I want to thank
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That's yes.