March 17, 2025 • 29 mins
Artificial intelligence is rapidly transforming the design industry, and this episode of Graphite Radio takes you on a deep dive into the tools and trends shaping our future. Your Design Uncle breaks down UIzard, an emerging AI tool that transforms hand-sketched ideas into interactive prototypes, and examines Figma's new AI Beta that promises to streamline workflows while enhancing collaboration.
Beyond tools, we explore Spotify's ambitious move into video podcasting with potential six-figure earnings for creators, signaling a direct challenge to YouTube in the content creation space. We also uncover the surprising resurrection of Digg, as its original founder Kevin Rose partners with Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian to reimagine the platform for a post-social media world.
The heart of this episode addresses the critical question on every designer's mind: which UX roles will thrive in an AI-powered future, and which may fade away? Growth areas include UX strategists, conversational designers, accessibility specialists, and ethical AI governance experts. Meanwhile, traditional UI generalists, manual researchers, and junior designers may face challenges as automation accelerates.
To survive and thrive, tomorrow's designers must develop "T-shaped" skill sets—deep expertise in strategic areas combined with breadth across multiple disciplines. The message is clear: AI won't replace designers who can think strategically about human needs and ethical concerns, but it will transform how we work and what skills command premium value.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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What's going on, people?
This is your boy, ad, bringingyou another episode of Graphite
Pro Radio.
The last couple episodes, we'vebeen taking a really cool deep
dive into this, more or lessthis series I'm calling Black
Magic, this exploration ofindividuals from the different,
various design backgroundswhether they're like artists,
designers, architects,industrial designers and we
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really took like a really cooldeep dive Well, not so deep, but
deep enough to kind of, youknow, whip your pattern and
sparking inches around all thesedifferent unsung heroes, what
I'm calling the AfricanDiasporic Creative Experience.
Yeah, welcome back.
And this week we want to jumpback into like our regular
schedule of graphite, which iscovering like the things going
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on in the design world, thecreative world, as well as a
couple things a little bit inthe news, but overall just kind
of give you guys game right,what I'm calling free game, free
design game.
I mean even, I guess, coiningmyself as this whole design
uncle.
I probably need to likeregister that or something.
So, yeah, we're going to diveright into a couple of different
key topics here.
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A few things I want to coveroff on is this idea of what the
future ux is going to be, and acouple of different tools have
been more or less popping up.
Everything called u UI Zardkind of a weird name, but that's
been like a thing that's beenpopping up out of here.
Figma has this new beta versionof Figma AI, so I think we need
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to kind of get into that, talkabout that as well, as well as
some other things around, likewhat Spotify is doing when it
comes to its new podcastprogramming for creatives, is
doing when it comes to its newpodcast programming for
creatives, and even like thisidea of like these.
I wouldn't call it legacy, butthe early double o's or the
early 2000s had a lot of coolplatforms and dig was one of
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them.
So I think we should kind oftalk about that and then we get
into like the tool of the day.
You know, let's dive right onin.
So let's talk about UI czar Nowagain weird name, but I must
say it's this kind of powerfulAI tool that a lot of UX and
designers more or less augmenttheir productivity around
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sketches, screenshots, anythingaround like UX and thinking
about like product design.
This tool has more or less havetaken a lot of those sketches
and screenshots and use liketext prompts to turn things into
, like these interactive wireframes and high fidelity
prototypes.
Now, some of the key features,or what I'm calling the killer
features, of UI czar are acouple of different things.
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One is this AI powered designgeneration that's been using
these instantly prompts to kindof convert like hand-drawn
sketches and screenshots andthese written scripts into, like
these interactive prototypes,as I just mentioned.
Also is using another killerfeature around these pre-built
templates and components.
Now, if any of you guys knowabout components and design
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systems, that's a huge thing.
So is there a way that I guessthe UI's artists I hope I'm
saying this right, but whateverthey're kind of I guess can use
those components to more or lesshelp build like the quick ways
of outputting, like UX andscreens or whatever.
Right Now they also have likedrag and drop editing, so that's
always a good thing to have aswell.
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They have like these automatictheme and like style, like
adaptations.
What that means is kind ofanalyzing existing designs and
suggesting matching these thingsfor consistency or just giving
recommendations on how to makethese designs better.
So I always think that's kindof cool.
They have like thesecollaborative tools as well, so
enabling teams and members towork together in real time.
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That's been like a thing that'sbig with a lot of design tools
in general.
I know Figma, which we'll coverin a second, has more or less
been doing that same thing.
Being able to kind ofcollaborate on the same files I
always think is a huge thing.
Another key feature or killerfeature is that, hey, it can
export code.
Now, again like something likeFigma and a couple other
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programs have more or less beenout to like generate HTML and
casting style sheets or evenlike React code that a lot of
people are using to design anddeploy experiences.
That's going to work inmultiple channels and even like
multiple platforms like Androidor iOS, but being able to export
code is a huge, huge thing foriOS.
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But being able to export codeis a huge, huge thing.
And I think one of the lastkiller features of UIizard is
being able to do usabilitytesting.
Being able to test and getfeedback from my users pretty
quickly and gather thoseinsights is always a plus.
Now, if you're comparing thistool to a couple of different
other tools like Figma, framer,I guess what used to be Adobe's
XD what I'm noticing, the onething that this tool does, you
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know, is market share.
Figma has a huge market share.
I think UI's artists trying togain some of that market share.
Even with Framer, it's kind ofgreat with the interactivity and
the, with our prototyping, andeven like these smooth
animations.
It seems that Zard is focusingmostly on like generating quick
UI generations from sketches.
So for you old school UX guyswho just like to sketch by hand
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and turn those things into realwires, hey, ui Zart may be for
you.
I think that's something toconsider if you're going to use
this tool and check it out.
Okay, the next thing we're goingto jump right into is Figma AI
Beta why designers should payattention to this.
Okay, the next thing we'regoing to jump right into is
Figma AI Beta why designersshould pay attention to this.
As you guys know that Figma hasbeen that go-to tool to a lot
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of different type of product andUI and UX designers.
Well, I mean, it's prettyubiquitous, it's everywhere,
it's user-friendly, it allowsfor good collaboration.
What I noticed here lately theyhave rolled out like this AI
beta and is set to be, I guess,a game changer for a lot of
designers and even streamlineworkflows, because ultimately,
that's kind of what AI is doingis allowing people to work a
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little faster and moreefficiently.
What I'm also noticing is thatthis AI tool is doing a bunch of
different things that a lot ofdesigners may want to some close
attention to.
That one is automating thesetedious tasks, such as
generating layouts or suggestdesign improvements, creating UI
components based on simpleprompts.
I got a chance to use the prompttool and it's pretty cool.
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I like it.
It's a little fussy, but I dolike some of the aspects of the
prompt tool.
Give you different things tochoose from.
What are you going to bechoosing?
Designing a basic wire for amobile app or a website, or a
quasi high fidelity comp or wirethat you can customize a little
bit?
You know it gives you thesedifferent options just in the
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prompt too, so I actually thinkthat's pretty cool.
Another thing I like about thistool is it's kind of enhancing
collaboration, mainly becauseFigma is just a collaborative
tool, so there's no big surprisethere.
But what's cool about it isthat this AI-driven beta is kind
of doing certain things interms of driving insights and
automating documentation.
Now that's kind of cool.
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Let's be honest, when you'reworking on screens, especially
with big teams, the biggestanswer is understanding who has
worked on what, what changeshave been made and what's the
documentation and theunderstanding of these screens?
That's always a big pain.
Now, I think this AI-drivenpart of Figma's beta version of
this product that they'reoffering will more or less help
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with that.
It can definitely iteratethings faster.
Supposedly it also can generatesummaries.
Now, I think that's a big thinggenerating summaries and
translating the feedback intoactual changes.
Also speeding up theprototyping.
A lot of times us as designers,we want to kind of start and
come up with a prototype that wecan get a user to give us some
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feedback on and be able to clickthrough or socialize the idea.
So I think you know this FigmaAI is going to allow for
designers to kind of quicklymark up ideas and explore
variations and even refine theinterfaces using for the most
minimal, you know, effort.
Now what that means, could?
It means fast ideation, maybemore time refining the designs
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and ideas.
Who knows?
It just depends on the personYou're marketizing.
Design, this idea of bringingnon-designers and
cross-functional teams Maybethey can use these general tools
to come up with some ideas ontheir own, present it to the
design team and maybe just moreor less, you know, ideate around
what the experience can beversus like pixels or, you know,
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design system, because you knowme personally, I still like to
talk more experience than getinto the weeds of things
initially, and maybe this AItool will help a lot of
non-designers.
You know, think about thedesign process a little bit
better, or more so, think aboutthe user experience.
Now, I guess the bottom line toall of this it's not going to
replace designer, it's justgoing to more or less amplify
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their creativity, potentiallyimproving efficiency and helping
them to kind of work smarter.
Now, I think a lot ofprofessionals overall are
looking to kind of stay ahead.
You know, check out this tool,see what you think to kind of
stay ahead.
You know, check out this tool,see what you think, hit me up,
tell me what you think about it.
You know I'm using it, I'mliking it.
You know there's some thingsabout it that we can.
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You know they can kind ofimprove upon, but hey, something
to check out.
Okay, let's get right intotalking about Spotify.
They have a new videopodcasting program.
Supposedly it's going to bepretty lucrative and a great
opportunity for, like all thesecontent creators helping to
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expand, like their videopodcasting capabilities and more
or less helping these creatorsof this kind of content to
monetize.
Now, as you know, spotify for awhile I wouldn't say they was a
king of like podcasting becausethey kind of took a lot of that
they went back and forthbetween Apple's podcasting app
and their platform.
But for a while, you know,spotify was really banking on a
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lot of like great podcastingplatforms, such as things from
the Obamas their opportunity andthe partnership they had with
Joe Rogan.
From the Obamas theiropportunity and the partnership
they had with Joe Rogan, or evensome of the things they had
with other people from likeculture, like Joe Budden and a
couple of other podcasts thatwas only exclusive to the
platform for a while.
But and even Dope Labs a lot ofthat podcast that was exclusive
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to the platform as well.
But it seems that they're nowopening up the platform to be a
little bit more inclusive,trying to compete with YouTube
versus Apple Podcasts.
Now Spotify is launching thisvideo podcast for creators to
provide like new monetizationoptions for the creators.
They're definitely partneringwith programs that really have
like some kind of high earningspotentials, especially when it
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comes down to like creators.
That is making like six figures, suppose, in the first month,
but keep in mind that's not forevery creator.
That's going to be for a lot ofcreators who have a good deep
reach as well as a really loyalaudience, because everybody got
a podcast right.
Listen to my podcast and hey,I'm not at six figures yet, but
I'm going to give it a try Now.
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Another thing supposedly withthis program is that the
creator's payout would beincreased by supposedly about
300% from this past Januarycompared to, like the previous
years.
Also, this engagement metric,some type of interactive viewers
are four times more likely toreturn and listen to the content
, partly because Spotify's appis just a ubiquitous app.
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People use it for welleverything.
There's leisure listeningplaylists, popular music
Definitely like when people wantto kind of do this whole recap
of the music you listen tothroughout the year or music and
podcasts, and I guess they'regoing to be moving into
audiobooks.
I don't know, but it seems thatSpotify is becoming like this,
go-to in terms of the listeningexperience, but they also
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integrate now more video to interms of the listening
experience, but they alsointegrate now more video.
So it seems like to me they'retaking a direct jab at YouTube
in terms of just overall media.
Now, I think the last thingthis platform is going to offer
is this strategy and their wholeapproach to innovation and some
of the tools they offer is justgoing to get a content
creator's control to enhancerevenue and audience experience.
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So I guess we should just checkit out and see where it goes.
Now.
Here's a throwback from thepast.
Uh, how many of you guysremember dig?
Dig is that early platform fromlike the early 2000s founded by
kevin rose.
Uh, this was like thepre-reddit before Reddit.
You know, there was that onecool place.
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You went back and it was kindof like a curate of everything
on the Internet.
Back then, I know I used itcurate and use it kind of like
this landing experience for alla bunch of different sites I was
reading.
So whether it's going to benews, whether it's going to be
like sports or, in the case ofme, obviously you know design
and art, I use it really to justcurate the web.
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Now, you know, I know a lot ofearly on search engines did the
same thing in terms of indexingthe web.
I think dig did a good job atcurating web.
Now here's where it gets alittle odd.
It kind of went away and theowner sold it and it gave a
birth to what we now know as thenews feed for Facebook, if you
want to look at those terms.
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And then you know it kind ofjust got forgotten about.
It's the brand.
It wasn't really a big brandlike that, I don't know, but it
wasn't until a lot of peoplewere using it in early 2000.
And at some point it just kindof disappeared into like
oblivion, especially, I guess,with the rise of social media
like Twitter and Facebook andyou know Snapchat and a bunch of
other different you know socialplatforms.
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But it seems that that versionof internet consumption just
kind of just died off.
It ultimately it ultimatelylanded into the hands of this
company called the Money Groupand it was kind of resurrected
from.
Its original creator is, youknow, kevin rose.
Now here's the funny thing heis partnering up with one of the
original founders already,which is lexus ohonian I think
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I'm saying this name right.
I think that's serena's husbandand serena williams husband, if
you can remember.
Now you know that whole ux backthen was definitely an
aggregator.
These guys are now want tobring this whole platform back
and, I guess, turn it into thenew social, especially with this
fallout from social overall.
So I guess we'll just check out, see what's going on, yeah, but
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it seems like Digg is about tobe the new Reddit, from the guy
who helped start Reddit and theguy who created Digg.
So, hey, welcome back Digg.
I sign up for it.
Guess I'll check it out when it, you know, roll out the new
product.
It'd be great to see what'sgoing to happen, especially in
this new era of, like podcastsand new media and I guess you
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could say, post social media.
So there it is the return ofDigg.
Let's get right into thegraphite tool of the day.
I do get a lot of young peoplebasically asking me a lot of
questions of how to break intothe whole creative industry, and
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I do think I want to kind ofstart giving, like you know,
what I call in free game ordesign uncle, advice around like
young designers and maybegiving them like a roadmap new
designers and new creators whojust want to bring it to the
industry.
So, for today, I'm going toreally mostly talk about the
future of UX design and wherewe're heading Now for a lot of
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you young people who want tobecome like either like UX
designers or industrialdesigners or some type of
service designer.
I think it's pretty importantthat you understand where UX is
and where it needs to go.
Ux did come from the practiceof industrial design, but it's
mostly been turned into like adigital practice.
It's rapidly evolving due to,like, the advance of, like AI,
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automation and increasingexpectations for, like these
seamless digital experiences.
It used to be this thing when Iworked at IBM this idea that
the last great experience is theminimal experience.
You want going forward, and ifyou think about UX, it's kind of
that.
If you're using, like, sometype of contactless payment, you
expect that to work just abouteverywhere as an example,
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whether it's gonna be at thesupermarket, the bodega, calling
a store or even an airport, oreven just passing money from one
friend to the next.
You want that seamless,frictionless experience.
So that's ultimately what UXhave to do.
Here's a couple of key pointsand insights that I think that's
going to help to kind ofreshape the role of UX design,
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or you know this idea of servicedesign and why it really
matters, and you know which onesmight be like, more impacted by
consolidation and optimization.
So let's jump right into thathere.
Like those, I guess, the bulletpoints that we should discuss
when it comes to, like thefuture of ux and I'm gonna give
why it matters part to each oneof these points and a future
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impact, to kind of give likesome kind of juxtaposition.
Now, if you think about thefuture UX, it more likely is
going to be shaped with hybridroles that integrate traditional
UX principles and practiceswith emerging technologies.
You know some critical rolesthat you may want to consider.
Depend on what you want to doand get into the field.
Consider these roles.
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A UX strategist you know why itmatters.
Companies really need a highlevel thinker who can align UX
or like business goals, userneeds and just overall emerging
technology.
That's a person who can think alittle XYZ versus.
You know the binary way ofthinking in terms of like UX.
Now, the future impact to thatmost UX strategy would be more
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data-driven, leveraging AIinsights for predictive and user
behaviors, being able toactually take the data and
actually predict what you shouldcreate in terms of a UX, I
guess strategic output or justroadmap.
Yeah, I think data is going tohelp a lot with that, so that's
something to consider.
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Conversational UX designer youknow that's going to be dealing
with anything around AI andvoice UX.
Some guys I used to work with.
Back in the days they called itlike the whole zero UI, right,
this notion that you probablyjust use your voice or gestural
movements with your hands orwhatever, to actually interact
with anything or be able to,like, consume data and
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information.
Now, why that matters?
Because, as like most voiceassistants and even these
chatbots become very standard,which they are designing,
intuitive and, like this,natural language driven
experience would be very crucial, especially when you're now
talking about, like, inclusivedesign and accessibility, the
future impact to all of that.
This role will probablycontinue to expand and
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incorporate more AI ofpersonalization.
Now, you know personalizationis a big thing, especially when
it comes to just the userexperience, because you know
your data is kind of your data,so keep that in mind.
In terms of the conversationalUX design, ux research, this is
going to be definitely AI anddata science driven.
Now, why it matters.
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Well, the demand forunderstanding complex and user
behaviors through AI andanalytics is growing, especially
in the practice of behaviordesign.
Now, future impact to all ofthat Well, this research world
probably is going to have toincrease this use of machine
learning and predictiveanalytics rather than
traditional user testing alone.
I do think user testing isstill going to be prominent, but
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definitely using data andanalytics to kind of get like
the results we're looking for,especially historical data, is
going to be an idea.
Inclusive and accessibilitydesign why does this really
matter?
Companies are really up on alot of pressure to meet
accessibility overall goals andWCAG guidelines and ensure
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inclusivity for all users.
Now, future impact to all ofthat a lot of designers with
like deep expertise aroundaccessibility they're going to
be in high demand and especiallywhen it comes to, like,
automation of tools and handling, like these compliance and base
tasks that more or less a lotof companies that are putting
out digital products really haveto like meet these standards.
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So I think that's going to be abig thing.
Ethical AI and UX governancespecialists Now, why does this
matter?
Well, you know, ai-driven UXraises, like always, a lot of
ethical questions, especiallyaround biases, privacies and
transparency.
Now, this is usually driven bywho's programming the AI in the
first place, which kind ofbrings up the issues of bias,
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privacy and transparency,depending on who's programming
the AI.
Now, the future impact to allof that Well, this is going to
be pretty emerging and it'sgoing to grow as companies face
regulatory scrutiny over, likethe AI, fairness and even their
large language models.
So, you know, keep that in mind.
Now, I think the last one we canreally talk about in terms of
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roles, that's, in terms ofgrowth, is the UX writers and
the content designers.
Now, why does that matter?
Well, think about what used tobe in the ad world, that we had
copywriters that turned intocreator directors.
But if you think about, like,these content designers and UX
writers, a lot of this is goingto be more or less people who
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can take these ideas, come upwith, like micro copy and even
use AI to generate content andeven think about how to
personalize messaging, which aregoing to be very vital to
engage in our audience, right?
The future impact to all ofthat is that AI would assist in
writing a lot of this stuff, buta human oversight has to remain
critical for these differentroles, especially when it comes
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to like nuance, these culturalsensitivities, as well as just
being like aware when it comesto the communication.
So we just talked about rolescan be like you know, can
experience a lot of growth,right?
Especially when it comes downto like those different things.
That's going to help to shapethe future of, like the whole UX
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industry.
So I do think we need to lookat the flip side of that coin,
right, like well, what rolescould be impacted by
consolidation optimization,especially when you're now
talking about, like AIautomation you got no code and
low code platforms acceleratingseveral UX roles may see like
transformation, if not a decline.
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Role number one the UI designer,the generalist why Well, ai
powered design tools such asFigma what we just mentioned
earlier Adobe Sensei, and even,like the UI czar, they're
automating these whole layoutschemes and this UI adjustment.
Now, a future trend to that,well, ui design would be more
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defined by rules and guidelines,while automation could execute
pretty much all the details.
It's like taking a designsystem and plussing it up with
automation and code.
So, yeah, the UI design generis, I think, is something that
might see some effects there UXresearchers, in terms of the
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traditional method of it all,like why we?
Well, why Well?
Ai and big data analytics arereally like automating the user
research and insights andthey're reducing really the need
for manual surveys andusability testing.
Again, we mentioned thatearlier that a lot of it is
gonna be driven by data and AIpotentially.
So you don't have earlier thata lot of it is going to be
driven by data and AIpotentially, so you don't have
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to do a lot of this stuffmanually anymore.
Now, a future trend to that isthat UX research will probably
shift towards more strategicinterpretation rather than like
manual testing.
So it's almost becoming like astrategist unto itself and like
a scientist to a certain degree.
So, for the UX generalist, well, why?
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Well, if you think aboutcompanies, they're looking for
more specialized, hybrid-skilleddesigners who can integrate AI
and data and just code overall.
Right Now, a future trend tothat would be a generalist role
that more or less can bereplaced by AI-driven tools that
assist with like designthinking and iteration.
So I think it's going to bemore about your thinking than
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you know the actual method oflike um, being a UX generalist
and I even told a couple of myold coworkers that you know at
some point, ux can get automated.
They're kind of like really,I'm like anything can be
automated.
So there it is Front-end UXengineers.
Now why?
Well, again, what we mentionedearlier is that a lot of no-code
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or AI-assisted developmentplatforms such as Webflow or
even like Framework AI, or evenChatGPT, for that matter they're
using these platforms to kindof reduce the need for, like
hard, heavy handed, just hardcoding.
So a lot of that stuff now canjust be just completely
automated.
Now, a future trend to thatdevelopers would more have to
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kind of shift around solvingcomplex integration of all this
code rather than simply just theUI assembly of something Right.
So think about it like this.
So think about it like thisthey're more or less going to
become like SMEs of making surethat all these different systems
integrate better in terms ofthe different kinds of code
versus doing hardcore codethemselves.
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And I think the last one we cankind of consider that may have
to be rethought or potentiallycould be on decline,
unfortunately, is the junior UXdesigner.
Now, I know a lot of youngpeople probably don't want to
hear this, but keep in mind thewhy this could be a potential
fallout.
Well, ai powered design systemssuch as Copilot, or even FigJam
, for that matter, can automatea lot of repetitive tasks such
as wireframe I just mentionedthat a few minutes ago
especially when it comes totesting.
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Especially when it comes totesting, now a future trend to
that, you know these entry-leveldesigners would really need to
kind of upskill, or upskill inthis idea of like AI
collaboration and strategy justto kind of remain competitive.
But I think the biggest thingfor any junior UX designer is
really about learning as muchfrom old heads such as myself,
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or anybody for that matter inthe game, right.
So you know, connecting withpeople, maybe you can
future-proof yourself.
As you can see, we've kind ofcovered off on a lot of
different groundwork and I thinkwe should just kind of just get
into.
What does all this mean for thefuture UX design?
Ultimately?
You know, strategically, ai isgoing to augment roles that will
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either thrive or is going tokind of get rid of some roles,
right.
So keep that in mind.
This whole shift towardsautomation usually means that
you as professionals or UXprofessionals more likely just
going to have to kind of focuson strategy, ethics and just
overall AI governance.
The hybrid skill sets are kindof the future.
You can't just be a designer.
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You have to be a designer part,strategy part.
You know person kind of knowhow to code.
It's kind of like the T-shape,right.
So you know you have that oneor two things that you can go
deep on in terms of like a skillset, but you need to be able to
work across a bunch ofdifferent things.
So having like a T-shape kindof like skill set is always a
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good thing.
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What's going on, people?
This is your boy, ad, bringingyou another episode of Graphite
Pro Radio.
The last couple episodes, we'vebeen taking a really cool deep
dive into this, more or lessthis series I'm calling Black
Magic, this exploration ofindividuals from the different,
various design backgroundswhether they're like artists,
designers, architects,industrial designers and we
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really took like a really cooldeep dive Well, not so deep, but
deep enough to kind of, youknow, whip your pattern and
sparking inches around all thesedifferent unsung heroes, what
I'm calling the AfricanDiasporic Creative Experience.
Yeah, welcome back.
And this week we want to jumpback into like our regular
schedule of graphite, which iscovering like the things going
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on in the design world, thecreative world, as well as a
couple things a little bit inthe news, but overall just kind
of give you guys game right,what I'm calling free game, free
design game.
I mean even, I guess, coiningmyself as this whole design
uncle.
I probably need to likeregister that or something.
So, yeah, we're going to diveright into a couple of different
key topics here.
(01:54):
A few things I want to coveroff on is this idea of what the
future ux is going to be, and acouple of different tools have
been more or less popping up.
Everything called u UI Zardkind of a weird name, but that's
been like a thing that's beenpopping up out of here.
Figma has this new beta versionof Figma AI, so I think we need
(02:14):
to kind of get into that, talkabout that as well, as well as
some other things around, likewhat Spotify is doing when it
comes to its new podcastprogramming for creatives, is
doing when it comes to its newpodcast programming for
creatives, and even like thisidea of like these.
I wouldn't call it legacy, butthe early double o's or the
early 2000s had a lot of coolplatforms and dig was one of
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them.
So I think we should kind oftalk about that and then we get
into like the tool of the day.
You know, let's dive right onin.
So let's talk about UI czar Nowagain weird name, but I must
say it's this kind of powerfulAI tool that a lot of UX and
designers more or less augmenttheir productivity around
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sketches, screenshots, anythingaround like UX and thinking
about like product design.
This tool has more or less havetaken a lot of those sketches
and screenshots and use liketext prompts to turn things into
, like these interactive wireframes and high fidelity
prototypes.
Now, some of the key features,or what I'm calling the killer
features, of UI czar are acouple of different things.
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One is this AI powered designgeneration that's been using
these instantly prompts to kindof convert like hand-drawn
sketches and screenshots andthese written scripts into, like
these interactive prototypes,as I just mentioned.
Also is using another killerfeature around these pre-built
templates and components.
Now, if any of you guys knowabout components and design
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systems, that's a huge thing.
So is there a way that I guessthe UI's artists I hope I'm
saying this right, but whateverthey're kind of I guess can use
those components to more or lesshelp build like the quick ways
of outputting, like UX andscreens or whatever.
Right Now they also have likedrag and drop editing, so that's
always a good thing to have aswell.
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They have like these automatictheme and like style, like
adaptations.
What that means is kind ofanalyzing existing designs and
suggesting matching these thingsfor consistency or just giving
recommendations on how to makethese designs better.
So I always think that's kindof cool.
They have like thesecollaborative tools as well, so
enabling teams and members towork together in real time.
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That's been like a thing that'sbig with a lot of design tools
in general.
I know Figma, which we'll coverin a second, has more or less
been doing that same thing.
Being able to kind ofcollaborate on the same files I
always think is a huge thing.
Another key feature or killerfeature is that, hey, it can
export code.
Now, again like something likeFigma and a couple other
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programs have more or less beenout to like generate HTML and
casting style sheets or evenlike React code that a lot of
people are using to design anddeploy experiences.
That's going to work inmultiple channels and even like
multiple platforms like Androidor iOS, but being able to export
code is a huge, huge thing foriOS.
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But being able to export codeis a huge, huge thing.
And I think one of the lastkiller features of UIizard is
being able to do usabilitytesting.
Being able to test and getfeedback from my users pretty
quickly and gather thoseinsights is always a plus.
Now, if you're comparing thistool to a couple of different
other tools like Figma, framer,I guess what used to be Adobe's
XD what I'm noticing, the onething that this tool does, you
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know, is market share.
Figma has a huge market share.
I think UI's artists trying togain some of that market share.
Even with Framer, it's kind ofgreat with the interactivity and
the, with our prototyping, andeven like these smooth
animations.
It seems that Zard is focusingmostly on like generating quick
UI generations from sketches.
So for you old school UX guyswho just like to sketch by hand
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and turn those things into realwires, hey, ui Zart may be for
you.
I think that's something toconsider if you're going to use
this tool and check it out.
Okay, the next thing we're goingto jump right into is Figma AI
Beta why designers should payattention to this.
Okay, the next thing we'regoing to jump right into is
Figma AI Beta why designersshould pay attention to this.
As you guys know that Figma hasbeen that go-to tool to a lot
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of different type of product andUI and UX designers.
Well, I mean, it's prettyubiquitous, it's everywhere,
it's user-friendly, it allowsfor good collaboration.
What I noticed here lately theyhave rolled out like this AI
beta and is set to be, I guess,a game changer for a lot of
designers and even streamlineworkflows, because ultimately,
that's kind of what AI is doingis allowing people to work a
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little faster and moreefficiently.
What I'm also noticing is thatthis AI tool is doing a bunch of
different things that a lot ofdesigners may want to some close
attention to.
That one is automating thesetedious tasks, such as
generating layouts or suggestdesign improvements, creating UI
components based on simpleprompts.
I got a chance to use the prompttool and it's pretty cool.
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I like it.
It's a little fussy, but I dolike some of the aspects of the
prompt tool.
Give you different things tochoose from.
What are you going to bechoosing?
Designing a basic wire for amobile app or a website, or a
quasi high fidelity comp or wirethat you can customize a little
bit?
You know it gives you thesedifferent options just in the
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prompt too, so I actually thinkthat's pretty cool.
Another thing I like about thistool is it's kind of enhancing
collaboration, mainly becauseFigma is just a collaborative
tool, so there's no big surprisethere.
But what's cool about it isthat this AI-driven beta is kind
of doing certain things interms of driving insights and
automating documentation.
Now that's kind of cool.
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Let's be honest, when you'reworking on screens, especially
with big teams, the biggestanswer is understanding who has
worked on what, what changeshave been made and what's the
documentation and theunderstanding of these screens?
That's always a big pain.
Now, I think this AI-drivenpart of Figma's beta version of
this product that they'reoffering will more or less help
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with that.
It can definitely iteratethings faster.
Supposedly it also can generatesummaries.
Now, I think that's a big thinggenerating summaries and
translating the feedback intoactual changes.
Also speeding up theprototyping.
A lot of times us as designers,we want to kind of start and
come up with a prototype that wecan get a user to give us some
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feedback on and be able to clickthrough or socialize the idea.
So I think you know this FigmaAI is going to allow for
designers to kind of quicklymark up ideas and explore
variations and even refine theinterfaces using for the most
minimal, you know, effort.
Now what that means, could?
It means fast ideation, maybemore time refining the designs
(08:47):
and ideas.
Who knows?
It just depends on the personYou're marketizing.
Design, this idea of bringingnon-designers and
cross-functional teams Maybethey can use these general tools
to come up with some ideas ontheir own, present it to the
design team and maybe just moreor less, you know, ideate around
what the experience can beversus like pixels or, you know,
(09:10):
design system, because you knowme personally, I still like to
talk more experience than getinto the weeds of things
initially, and maybe this AItool will help a lot of
non-designers.
You know, think about thedesign process a little bit
better, or more so, think aboutthe user experience.
Now, I guess the bottom line toall of this it's not going to
replace designer, it's justgoing to more or less amplify
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their creativity, potentiallyimproving efficiency and helping
them to kind of work smarter.
Now, I think a lot ofprofessionals overall are
looking to kind of stay ahead.
You know, check out this tool,see what you think to kind of
stay ahead.
You know, check out this tool,see what you think, hit me up,
tell me what you think about it.
You know I'm using it, I'mliking it.
You know there's some thingsabout it that we can.
(09:52):
You know they can kind ofimprove upon, but hey, something
to check out.
Okay, let's get right intotalking about Spotify.
They have a new videopodcasting program.
Supposedly it's going to bepretty lucrative and a great
opportunity for, like all thesecontent creators helping to
(10:12):
expand, like their videopodcasting capabilities and more
or less helping these creatorsof this kind of content to
monetize.
Now, as you know, spotify for awhile I wouldn't say they was a
king of like podcasting becausethey kind of took a lot of that
they went back and forthbetween Apple's podcasting app
and their platform.
But for a while, you know,spotify was really banking on a
(10:35):
lot of like great podcastingplatforms, such as things from
the Obamas their opportunity andthe partnership they had with
Joe Rogan.
From the Obamas theiropportunity and the partnership
they had with Joe Rogan, or evensome of the things they had
with other people from likeculture, like Joe Budden and a
couple of other podcasts thatwas only exclusive to the
platform for a while.
But and even Dope Labs a lot ofthat podcast that was exclusive
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to the platform as well.
But it seems that they're nowopening up the platform to be a
little bit more inclusive,trying to compete with YouTube
versus Apple Podcasts.
Now Spotify is launching thisvideo podcast for creators to
provide like new monetizationoptions for the creators.
They're definitely partneringwith programs that really have
like some kind of high earningspotentials, especially when it
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comes down to like creators.
That is making like six figures, suppose, in the first month,
but keep in mind that's not forevery creator.
That's going to be for a lot ofcreators who have a good deep
reach as well as a really loyalaudience, because everybody got
a podcast right.
Listen to my podcast and hey,I'm not at six figures yet, but
I'm going to give it a try Now.
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Another thing supposedly withthis program is that the
creator's payout would beincreased by supposedly about
300% from this past Januarycompared to, like the previous
years.
Also, this engagement metric,some type of interactive viewers
are four times more likely toreturn and listen to the content
, partly because Spotify's appis just a ubiquitous app.
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People use it for welleverything.
There's leisure listeningplaylists, popular music
Definitely like when people wantto kind of do this whole recap
of the music you listen tothroughout the year or music and
podcasts, and I guess they'regoing to be moving into
audiobooks.
I don't know, but it seems thatSpotify is becoming like this,
go-to in terms of the listeningexperience, but they also
(12:23):
integrate now more video to interms of the listening
experience, but they alsointegrate now more video.
So it seems like to me they'retaking a direct jab at YouTube
in terms of just overall media.
Now, I think the last thingthis platform is going to offer
is this strategy and their wholeapproach to innovation and some
of the tools they offer is justgoing to get a content
creator's control to enhancerevenue and audience experience.
(12:44):
So I guess we should just checkit out and see where it goes.
Now.
Here's a throwback from thepast.
Uh, how many of you guysremember dig?
Dig is that early platform fromlike the early 2000s founded by
kevin rose.
Uh, this was like thepre-reddit before Reddit.
You know, there was that onecool place.
(13:05):
You went back and it was kindof like a curate of everything
on the Internet.
Back then, I know I used itcurate and use it kind of like
this landing experience for alla bunch of different sites I was
reading.
So whether it's going to benews, whether it's going to be
like sports or, in the case ofme, obviously you know design
and art, I use it really to justcurate the web.
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Now, you know, I know a lot ofearly on search engines did the
same thing in terms of indexingthe web.
I think dig did a good job atcurating web.
Now here's where it gets alittle odd.
It kind of went away and theowner sold it and it gave a
birth to what we now know as thenews feed for Facebook, if you
want to look at those terms.
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And then you know it kind ofjust got forgotten about.
It's the brand.
It wasn't really a big brandlike that, I don't know, but it
wasn't until a lot of peoplewere using it in early 2000.
And at some point it just kindof disappeared into like
oblivion, especially, I guess,with the rise of social media
like Twitter and Facebook andyou know Snapchat and a bunch of
other different you know socialplatforms.
(14:10):
But it seems that that versionof internet consumption just
kind of just died off.
It ultimately it ultimatelylanded into the hands of this
company called the Money Groupand it was kind of resurrected
from.
Its original creator is, youknow, kevin rose.
Now here's the funny thing heis partnering up with one of the
original founders already,which is lexus ohonian I think
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I'm saying this name right.
I think that's serena's husbandand serena williams husband, if
you can remember.
Now you know that whole ux backthen was definitely an
aggregator.
These guys are now want tobring this whole platform back
and, I guess, turn it into thenew social, especially with this
fallout from social overall.
So I guess we'll just check out, see what's going on, yeah, but
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it seems like Digg is about tobe the new Reddit, from the guy
who helped start Reddit and theguy who created Digg.
So, hey, welcome back Digg.
I sign up for it.
Guess I'll check it out when it, you know, roll out the new
product.
It'd be great to see what'sgoing to happen, especially in
this new era of, like podcastsand new media and I guess you
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could say, post social media.
So there it is the return ofDigg.
Let's get right into thegraphite tool of the day.
I do get a lot of young peoplebasically asking me a lot of
questions of how to break intothe whole creative industry, and
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I do think I want to kind ofstart giving, like you know,
what I call in free game ordesign uncle, advice around like
young designers and maybegiving them like a roadmap new
designers and new creators whojust want to bring it to the
industry.
So, for today, I'm going toreally mostly talk about the
future of UX design and wherewe're heading Now for a lot of
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you young people who want tobecome like either like UX
designers or industrialdesigners or some type of
service designer.
I think it's pretty importantthat you understand where UX is
and where it needs to go.
Ux did come from the practiceof industrial design, but it's
mostly been turned into like adigital practice.
It's rapidly evolving due to,like, the advance of, like AI,
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automation and increasingexpectations for, like these
seamless digital experiences.
It used to be this thing when Iworked at IBM this idea that
the last great experience is theminimal experience.
You want going forward, and ifyou think about UX, it's kind of
that.
If you're using, like, sometype of contactless payment, you
expect that to work just abouteverywhere as an example,
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whether it's gonna be at thesupermarket, the bodega, calling
a store or even an airport, oreven just passing money from one
friend to the next.
You want that seamless,frictionless experience.
So that's ultimately what UXhave to do.
Here's a couple of key pointsand insights that I think that's
going to help to kind ofreshape the role of UX design,
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or you know this idea of servicedesign and why it really
matters, and you know which onesmight be like, more impacted by
consolidation and optimization.
So let's jump right into thathere.
Like those, I guess, the bulletpoints that we should discuss
when it comes to, like thefuture of ux and I'm gonna give
why it matters part to each oneof these points and a future
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impact, to kind of give likesome kind of juxtaposition.
Now, if you think about thefuture UX, it more likely is
going to be shaped with hybridroles that integrate traditional
UX principles and practiceswith emerging technologies.
You know some critical rolesthat you may want to consider.
Depend on what you want to doand get into the field.
Consider these roles.
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A UX strategist you know why itmatters.
Companies really need a highlevel thinker who can align UX
or like business goals, userneeds and just overall emerging
technology.
That's a person who can think alittle XYZ versus.
You know the binary way ofthinking in terms of like UX.
Now, the future impact to thatmost UX strategy would be more
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data-driven, leveraging AIinsights for predictive and user
behaviors, being able toactually take the data and
actually predict what you shouldcreate in terms of a UX, I
guess strategic output or justroadmap.
Yeah, I think data is going tohelp a lot with that, so that's
something to consider.
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Conversational UX designer youknow that's going to be dealing
with anything around AI andvoice UX.
Some guys I used to work with.
Back in the days they called itlike the whole zero UI, right,
this notion that you probablyjust use your voice or gestural
movements with your hands orwhatever, to actually interact
with anything or be able to,like, consume data and
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information.
Now, why that matters?
Because, as like most voiceassistants and even these
chatbots become very standard,which they are designing,
intuitive and, like this,natural language driven
experience would be very crucial, especially when you're now
talking about, like, inclusivedesign and accessibility, the
future impact to all of that.
This role will probablycontinue to expand and
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incorporate more AI ofpersonalization.
Now, you know personalizationis a big thing, especially when
it comes to just the userexperience, because you know
your data is kind of your data,so keep that in mind.
In terms of the conversationalUX design, ux research, this is
going to be definitely AI anddata science driven.
Now, why it matters.
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Well, the demand forunderstanding complex and user
behaviors through AI andanalytics is growing, especially
in the practice of behaviordesign.
Now, future impact to all ofthat Well, this research world
probably is going to have toincrease this use of machine
learning and predictiveanalytics rather than
traditional user testing alone.
I do think user testing isstill going to be prominent, but
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definitely using data andanalytics to kind of get like
the results we're looking for,especially historical data, is
going to be an idea.
Inclusive and accessibilitydesign why does this really
matter?
Companies are really up on alot of pressure to meet
accessibility overall goals andWCAG guidelines and ensure
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inclusivity for all users.
Now, future impact to all ofthat a lot of designers with
like deep expertise aroundaccessibility they're going to
be in high demand and especiallywhen it comes to, like,
automation of tools and handling, like these compliance and base
tasks that more or less a lotof companies that are putting
out digital products really haveto like meet these standards.
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So I think that's going to be abig thing.
Ethical AI and UX governancespecialists Now, why does this
matter?
Well, you know, ai-driven UXraises, like always, a lot of
ethical questions, especiallyaround biases, privacies and
transparency.
Now, this is usually driven bywho's programming the AI in the
first place, which kind ofbrings up the issues of bias,
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privacy and transparency,depending on who's programming
the AI.
Now, the future impact to allof that Well, this is going to
be pretty emerging and it'sgoing to grow as companies face
regulatory scrutiny over, likethe AI, fairness and even their
large language models.
So, you know, keep that in mind.
Now, I think the last one we canreally talk about in terms of
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roles, that's, in terms ofgrowth, is the UX writers and
the content designers.
Now, why does that matter?
Well, think about what used tobe in the ad world, that we had
copywriters that turned intocreator directors.
But if you think about, like,these content designers and UX
writers, a lot of this is goingto be more or less people who
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can take these ideas, come upwith, like micro copy and even
use AI to generate content andeven think about how to
personalize messaging, which aregoing to be very vital to
engage in our audience, right?
The future impact to all ofthat is that AI would assist in
writing a lot of this stuff, buta human oversight has to remain
critical for these differentroles, especially when it comes
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to like nuance, these culturalsensitivities, as well as just
being like aware when it comesto the communication.
So we just talked about rolescan be like you know, can
experience a lot of growth,right?
Especially when it comes downto like those different things.
That's going to help to shapethe future of, like the whole UX
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industry.
So I do think we need to lookat the flip side of that coin,
right, like well, what rolescould be impacted by
consolidation optimization,especially when you're now
talking about, like AIautomation you got no code and
low code platforms acceleratingseveral UX roles may see like
transformation, if not a decline.
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Role number one the UI designer,the generalist why Well, ai
powered design tools such asFigma what we just mentioned
earlier Adobe Sensei, and even,like the UI czar, they're
automating these whole layoutschemes and this UI adjustment.
Now, a future trend to that,well, ui design would be more
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defined by rules and guidelines,while automation could execute
pretty much all the details.
It's like taking a designsystem and plussing it up with
automation and code.
So, yeah, the UI design generis, I think, is something that
might see some effects there UXresearchers, in terms of the
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traditional method of it all,like why we?
Well, why Well?
Ai and big data analytics arereally like automating the user
research and insights andthey're reducing really the need
for manual surveys andusability testing.
Again, we mentioned thatearlier that a lot of it is
gonna be driven by data and AIpotentially.
So you don't have earlier thata lot of it is going to be
driven by data and AIpotentially, so you don't have
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to do a lot of this stuffmanually anymore.
Now, a future trend to that isthat UX research will probably
shift towards more strategicinterpretation rather than like
manual testing.
So it's almost becoming like astrategist unto itself and like
a scientist to a certain degree.
So, for the UX generalist, well, why?
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Well, if you think aboutcompanies, they're looking for
more specialized, hybrid-skilleddesigners who can integrate AI
and data and just code overall.
Right Now, a future trend tothat would be a generalist role
that more or less can bereplaced by AI-driven tools that
assist with like designthinking and iteration.
So I think it's going to bemore about your thinking than
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you know the actual method oflike um, being a UX generalist
and I even told a couple of myold coworkers that you know at
some point, ux can get automated.
They're kind of like really,I'm like anything can be
automated.
So there it is Front-end UXengineers.
Now why?
Well, again, what we mentionedearlier is that a lot of no-code
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or AI-assisted developmentplatforms such as Webflow or
even like Framework AI, or evenChatGPT, for that matter they're
using these platforms to kindof reduce the need for, like
hard, heavy handed, just hardcoding.
So a lot of that stuff now canjust be just completely
automated.
Now, a future trend to thatdevelopers would more have to
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kind of shift around solvingcomplex integration of all this
code rather than simply just theUI assembly of something Right.
So think about it like this.
So think about it like thisthey're more or less going to
become like SMEs of making surethat all these different systems
integrate better in terms ofthe different kinds of code
versus doing hardcore codethemselves.
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And I think the last one we cankind of consider that may have
to be rethought or potentiallycould be on decline,
unfortunately, is the junior UXdesigner.
Now, I know a lot of youngpeople probably don't want to
hear this, but keep in mind thewhy this could be a potential
fallout.
Well, ai powered design systemssuch as Copilot, or even FigJam
, for that matter, can automatea lot of repetitive tasks such
as wireframe I just mentionedthat a few minutes ago
especially when it comes totesting.
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Especially when it comes totesting, now a future trend to
that, you know these entry-leveldesigners would really need to
kind of upskill, or upskill inthis idea of like AI
collaboration and strategy justto kind of remain competitive.
But I think the biggest thingfor any junior UX designer is
really about learning as muchfrom old heads such as myself,
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or anybody for that matter inthe game, right.
So you know, connecting withpeople, maybe you can
future-proof yourself.
As you can see, we've kind ofcovered off on a lot of
different groundwork and I thinkwe should just kind of just get
into.
What does all this mean for thefuture UX design?
Ultimately?
You know, strategically, ai isgoing to augment roles that will
(26:46):
either thrive or is going tokind of get rid of some roles,
right.
So keep that in mind.
This whole shift towardsautomation usually means that
you as professionals or UXprofessionals more likely just
going to have to kind of focuson strategy, ethics and just
overall AI governance.
The hybrid skill sets are kindof the future.
You can't just be a designer.
(27:08):
You have to be a designer part,strategy part.
You know person kind of knowhow to code.
It's kind of like the T-shape,right.
So you know you have that oneor two things that you can go
deep on in terms of like a skillset, but you need to be able to
work across a bunch ofdifferent things.
So having like a T-shape kindof like skill set is always a
(27:28):
good thing.
So I would love to hear youguys' point of view and opinions
.
So do me a favor, if you canhit me up on LinkedIn or the
website or even on social media,drop me some points of views
and maybe we can talk about itin the next part.
So, before I sign off,definitely want to give a shout
(27:49):
out to the rest of the parts onthe caffeine network, such as
the Ad Bros, curious Story Labs,the stages, dope TV, and you
know I just want to just makesure you guys go check out all
those different parts and, youknow, support the shows and
subscribe, share with yourfriends and definitely just give
love to the podcast man and weout here doing the work having
(28:12):
fun.
But more or less, we definitelywant to continue to tell
stories and you know we got someother things cooking and
working with some people.
It's going to help develop, Ithink, some phenomenal great
storytelling for this overallplatform called Caffeine and,
you know, expand the family alittle bit.
So stay tuned and, as always,stay cool, stay creative, be
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human Peace.
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