June 30, 2025 • 44 mins
We live in a world that’s more connected than ever, yet so many of us feel isolated, anxious, and deeply alone.
In this compelling episode of GRASP Confidence, host Tara LaFon Gooch sits down with Dr. Lindsay Frey, Licensed Clinical Psychologist, entrepreneur, speaker, podcast host, and founder of Finding Hope Wellness Center in Florida.
Dr. Frey has dedicated her career to helping children, teens, and young adults navigate anxiety, ADHD, depression, self-esteem challenges, and disconnection in an always-on, digitally connected world. As the leader of a thriving group practice, she combines evidence-based therapy, parenting support, and psychological evaluations with empathy and understanding—meeting people exactly where they are.
But her mission goes far beyond the therapy room. Dr. Frey curates international wellness retreats that create space for true rest, reflection, and meaningful human connection. As the host of Mental Health Without Borders: The Global Wellness Podcast, she interviews therapists around the world to uncover diverse, culturally grounded approaches to healing and balance.
In this episode, Dr. Frey shares:
✨ Why so many feel lonely despite constant connection
✨ How therapy and retreats can foster true belonging
✨ Practical strategies for supporting youth mental health
✨ The role of faith, travel, and purpose in her work
✨ How global perspectives can transform our approach to wellness
If you’re craving real connection, practical wisdom, and hope in a disconnected world, this conversation is for you.
📌 Connect with Dr. Lindsay Frey:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-frey-psyd
Website: https://findinghopewellnesscenter.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drlindsayfrey
Podcast: https://theglobalwellnesspodcast.buzzsprout.com
Office Address: Finding Hope Wellness Center, 4955 Van Dyke Road, Lutz, Florida 33558
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Episode Transcript
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are joined by one author who
has a new book to help
guide you with these steps
to grasp your confidence
and own your power.
I love that.
Look around the room.
You'll see that you're not
so alone after all and that
unconfidence could look like any of us.
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and maybe your whole life
you have been told that the best wins,
but I'm telling you right
now that the best known will win.
How do we truly find hope in
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a world struggling with
anxiety and disconnection?
Today on Grasp Confidence,
I meet with Dr. Lindsay Frey,
a licensed clinical psychologist
speaker, and podcast host,
and she's the founder of
Finding Hope Wellness Center.
Lindsay specializes in supporting children,
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teens,
and young adults through challenges
like ADHD, anxiety,
and self-esteem issues.
She leads a thriving
practice and designs
intentional wellness
retreats that inspire real
rest and renewal.
As the host of Mental Health
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Without Borders,
she explores mental health
through a global lens,
interviewing therapists worldwide,
sharing practical,
cultural-grounded insights.
Join us for an inspiring
conversation on entrepreneurship, travel,
faith,
and everywhere in between as
Lindsay is on a mission to
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create spaces where people can heal, grow,
and confidently embrace hope.
Lindsay, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
I'm really happy to be here.
Absolutely.
Well,
it's quite an intro for quite an
amazing lady.
You know,
we met online and I was instantly
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blown away by your work.
Your content is so inspiring.
You're really moving people
and changing lives.
And I love the fact that you
help professionals navigate
this crazy world of
parenthood because we're
never given a manual, Lindsay.
Exactly.
We're really not.
And there's so many passions that I have.
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So I really just honestly
love everything that I'm doing right now.
They all come from my
passion and from my values
and I would say my mission
and my purpose.
And so it's really neat to
feel like you are on that
path that was meant for you.
And it didn't always feel that way.
I always tried to kind of
follow the same path,
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but I'm really enjoying it.
I'm having fun with all of it.
Wow.
I love interviewing people
who are aligned with their purpose.
There's nothing like the glow of purpose,
you know?
I agree.
You hear me when I say that?
You can tell when you're
interviewing and talking to
somebody who's truly
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aligned with the path they
were created for.
And you are in that space.
How did you get into all of this?
And how did you decide this
was your calling?
Yes, and that's a story,
and I love stories,
and I love telling stories,
and I think they resonate
with people in a different way.
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And so for me,
I grew up in a strong
Christian household.
My grandfather was a pastor
of a large church in Cincinnati,
in Cincinnati, Ohio.
That's where I grew up.
And my father was a youth pastor.
And so I really had a great
upbringing with really strong values,
which I followed.
I was not a rebellious teenager.
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I really appreciated and
took in everything that I
was taught from my family and from
the mentors that I had in my
life because of having a
large church where you just
happen to be known.
But when I was a teenager,
prior to some of the
traumas that happened to me,
I was a straight A student.
I was a little bit of
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perfectionistic student,
but I enjoyed it.
I loved school.
I loved learning.
I was a cheerleader.
I was a cheerleader for several years.
I ran track and I had a lot
of really good friends in the school.
And I just was really
involved in my youth group.
I ended up starting a Bible
study later on in my school
and high school at six a.m.
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And we would go and bring a
bunch of donuts and meet in
the cafeteria.
So I really embraced life in
the same way I kind of do now,
but back then.
But at thirteen,
a tragedy stuck and we had
a boy in our youth group
who died instantly in gym class,
which was very traumatic
for our entire school.
So he went to the same
school as I did and he also
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was in our youth group as well.
And so that really shook the foundation of,
okay, life and death,
this is real and death
could happen at any time
and life is precious and life is short.
And it shifted my
perspective like no other.
just from that first passing.
But then unfortunately, the next two years,
I had more friends pass away.
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I had a friend pass away in
nineteen ninety eight, November,
a year after the first.
And then nineteen ninety nine,
I had two friends die in a car accident.
And so all were sixteen or
under between the ages of
thirteen and sixteen.
And so because of that,
it was it was a different
level of coping.
The first one really brought
the reality of life and
death to me who was so young.
But then the other ones that
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followed really made me question things.
And I started struggling
with depression and I
didn't know what depression was.
And it's very hard for
people to understand nowadays.
But in the nineties,
we did not talk about depression.
I did not have a word for depression.
I didn't have a word for
anxiety or bereavement or grief or
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or anything like that,
that we wouldn't have social media.
We barely had the internet.
We didn't have email when I
was in middle school.
So there just wasn't a lot
of awareness or talk about it.
And so I heard the phrase several times,
what's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you?
Even from family members, supportive,
loving family members.
No, you just got to be happy, be happy.
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And I did not understand why I couldn't be
And so I did feel abnormal as well.
And so I found psychology in
a one-on-one psychology
class in high school.
And I started reading about
what I was going through
and it started to make
sense that this was hard
and this was bigger than me.
And so through that,
I started developing a passion
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for helping others that had
gone through what I had gone through.
And I kind of helped myself
out of depression.
And I started mentoring
girls that were experiencing depression.
I had youth pastors that
were calling me and asking
me to go visit girls in the
hospital and talk to them
about life and future and
hope at sixteen and
seventeen and eighteen years old.
And so it became very
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apparent because I already
had my faith base and my
foundation that God was
going to use my pain for a purpose.
I knew that at sixteen,
seventeen years old.
And so at eighteen,
I started writing down all
my dreams and goals for my life.
And I found it last year.
I forgot that it existed,
this sheet of paper that I had.
It was in a senior book.
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And it's that I want to be a
clinical psychologist and I
want to work with children
and adolescents and I want
to help them find hope and healing,
which is my theme today
that I didn't know was
attached to that back then.
And I want to travel the
world and help as many people as I can.
So that from eighteen on,
that was my focus.
And so that's where I know
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and I have the confidence
to know that I'm in my path
and calling because of how
it ties with my history.
It all makes sense.
I feel it when I'm in the
room with another teenager,
which was my primary passion.
I wanted to sit across from
teens and tell them they
are normal and this is hard.
And I want to help their
parents understand what
they're going through so
that they can know how to
best support them.
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And so that's...
my journey and I really never stopped.
So I received my master's,
my bachelor's in two thousand eight,
my master's in two thousand
and ten and my doctorate in
two thousand and fourteen.
And I started my private
practice in two thousand
eighteen as a solo
practitioner and then
opened my group in two
thousand twenty three.
So congratulations.
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And it's absolutely soaring.
You're hiring therapists and
You're changing lives.
You're onboarding a lot of clients.
A lot of people are coming
to you and getting real, real results,
life changing,
transformational type of results.
And I love the fact that
your business is growing along with that.
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I want to share with you something.
I didn't know we had this synergy.
This is so interesting.
At the age of sixteen,
I lost my best friend.
We were best friends from
the age of like four or
five till that time.
She had cystic fibrosis.
So it was one of those
things we knew it was coming, right?
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It was kind of like the long goodbye.
And then she went to a Make-A-Wish clinic.
And then the next couple of days,
it was the end.
And I think about that a lot
because that really changed.
It changed me for sure.
And then the next year,
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one of my other friends
died in a car accident at
the age of seventeen.
So I kind of saw this
simultaneous back to back.
I had this grief and it was
an unresolved grief.
And you're right,
you and I are around the same age.
There was no support for
something like that back then.
And there was no Internet, really,
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you know.
And for a long time,
I was very open about this
in my first book as well.
I struggled with anxiety and depression.
And it wasn't that long ago.
Maybe it was around twenty
twenty or something like that.
where I got diagnosed with
major depressive disorder and anxiety.
And it was the test where
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they make you check all the boxes.
And I was like, oh my God,
I think I checked every single one.
What is wrong with me?
And it's these unresolved traumas,
these unresolved griefs.
Sometimes we even forget about.
We do.
They just kind of linger.
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And I think a lot of people have this,
Lindsay, that, you know,
they have this unresolved
trauma and grief and it
shows up in their present
lives as sometimes anxiety
and depression.
What do you think?
It definitely does.
There's been so many times.
I mean,
that's so true that I've sat with
an adult and I have a
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natural kind of process for
my second and my first
intake sessions where
My first one, I'm getting to know them,
their family, their world,
their supports.
And the second, I'm doing a timeline.
And this is where a lot of things come up,
where I'm going back to childhood.
We kind of go through the childhood,
middle school, high school, college,
where they are now.
So I can kind of get an idea
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and understanding of their path.
And it really,
truly helps me to get to
know them in a real way.
And so we start to kind of
hit those buttons a little bit, you know?
And if we don't hit them the
first time when we go
through the timeline,
when we talk about their present symptoms,
like maybe it is depression, I'll go,
when did you first start
experiencing depression on your timeline?
And they might say, oh, the first,
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you know, the last six months.
And then they go, oh, well, actually, no,
fifteen also.
Okay, well, what happened at fifteen?
There you go.
You start talking about that
trauma experience that they
might not have understood
that was a trauma experience for them.
And so, yes, you're right.
Sometimes that they're aware
of the trauma and sometimes
they're not aware that it was.
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Yeah.
And, you know,
it can show up and kind of
manifest differently for different folks,
right?
So for me, it was, you know,
I struggled with confidence
for a long time.
It was one of those things I
always wanted to be hidden.
I never wanted to be the
center of attention.
I...
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was extremely shy and my
biggest fear was public speaking.
I'm very open about that
because I think it helps other people,
right?
To not feel alone.
And yeah,
that was definitely how it
manifested for me.
But when I became a parent,
speaking of parenting,
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I realized that if I didn't
break the cycle,
little eyes were watching
every single thing that I did.
And the last thing I wanted
was for my daughter to grow
up unconfident,
feeling like she wasn't worthy,
didn't want to be seen,
wanted to stay hidden.
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I saw this light inside of
her and it was part of
almost healing my past to
break that cycle and make
sure that she didn't have
that same experience again.
Yes, absolutely.
And even in my own life, you know, my,
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my son went through some
things a couple years ago, he's
First,
first thing I did was have a meet
with somebody and it ended
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up being very short term.
I think it was four to six sessions.
He was able to go in and
privately talk with
somebody and he come out
and he felt so much better.
He had tools to manage his anxiety.
I've given him some, but again,
you don't want to do
therapy with your own child,
but I can teach him certain
skills and breathing skills.
He's, he's very aware of,
he's very good with coping
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with his emotions just naturally and
But it was so helpful.
And to me, again,
it healed that part of me
that really needed help early on.
And I don't fault my parents.
It was a global thing.
It just wasn't mental health
was not being talked about,
nor was it being offered very,
very easily.
And so just to be able to
get him help as he needs.
And so now he will.
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He'll go, oh, mom, I've got a hard time.
I don't want to talk to you about it.
Can you set me up with somebody again?
Yeah.
Like, yeah,
because I just want him to know
it's a place that you can go.
It's a confidential space.
If you need to work something out,
it's okay.
And it's okay to ask for that.
And it's okay to seek help.
And so he knows that he is
able to do that.
So I would say that in my own life,
I've tried to break that by
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letting him know and just
being so open with him and
allowing him to be open
with me about things that
are hard and how I work through things.
I don't know how many times
in a week he has to hear, hey, buddy,
this is another life lesson.
Yeah.
He's like, okay, what's this life lesson?
So, hey, this was a hard thing,
but this is how I overcame it.
So I'm consistently trying
to teach him these skills
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to be able to get through
hard times because I think
I developed those later.
I just didn't have those
kind of skills when I was a teenager.
Absolutely.
It's a good reminder for all of us,
you know,
that we're going to experience adversity.
We're going to experience
challenges in our lives.
And it's about how do you cope with them?
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How do you deal with the
adversities when they come?
Because it's life.
It's inevitable, right?
You're going to experience challenges.
And that's one of the
reasons why I love gratitude so much.
I do want to talk about
gratitude because I'm
already thinking that's
resonating with you.
But one of the things, you know,
with gratitude and how it helped me,
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it's not to say that you're
never going to experience
adversity or challenges,
but when they come.
You have a tool to help you navigate it.
And, you know,
I like to think of gratitude
as my little ninja mindset
warrior so that if a
problem does encounter,
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if I have a failure, for example,
or rejection,
I immediately thank God and say,
you know what?
That must mean a greater blessing,
a bigger thing,
larger opportunities coming in.
And that you didn't want me
entangled with something lesser.
And it's incredible.
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My mindset is complete.
completely shifted since
I've started gratitude
practices what do you think
about that do you
incorporate that into your
teachings and all the time
all the time all the time
as a therapist and then for
myself so for myself like
you if there's like say I
have doors and I'm not sure
which door to go through a
choices options and they
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just shut in your face it's
a thank you god you've made
that answer clear I really
wanted an answer and you
guided me throughout that
process and I appreciate that
And the same thing with the trials.
And I think too, with me,
gratitude is always attached to my why.
And that's very, very helpful for me.
And so as I told you my story,
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when I sit and I have a
difficult client or a
situation that it's hard to get through,
and I might be struggling with it,
I just think, gosh,
but this is what I want.
And this is what I wanted to do.
I'm sitting here doing
exactly what I wanted to do.
I'm so grateful for
And so that's where I don't get stuck.
It's this is my purpose.
This is my plan.
And hard things are going to happen.
And you just pick yourself
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up and keep going.
So that's where I really do
consistently attach it to.
I know why I'm doing this
and this is important.
So even when hard things come,
you can get through them a
little bit easier.
When you kind of have that
foundation of purpose and
mission and gratitude,
I think it's easier to kind
of get through those things.
And I think, too, with clients,
I work with a lot of
adolescents and young adults.
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And so I'm consistently
talking to them about their foundation.
So we talk about their foundation,
their values, their purpose, their goals,
and trying to kind of set
that up for them in the same way.
So as they go out into the world and
they have a better
foundation when hardships come,
when they need to be resilient.
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And hopefully, you know,
using to the resources that
they have and being
grateful for the resources
that they have.
So when I do a lot of
strengths work with
adolescents and young adults,
I do try to teach them to
be grateful for the
strengths they have and the
challenges because
self-awareness is so
important to be able to
understand and navigate things knowing,
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hey,
I've got these challenges and then
I've got these strengths.
But they all are going to balance out.
Everybody has them.
And I can be grateful for
who I am and how I was made,
uniquely created.
I talk to them about that a lot.
And then hopefully that will
help them as they move forward.
Absolutely, because right now,
you know this better than anybody,
but right now so many
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people are getting inundated with,
you know, social media.
They're constantly comparing
themselves to people online.
And it's diminishing their self-worth,
their self-esteem.
They feel, again,
just this constant comparison, right?
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And if we don't align
ourselves with our purpose,
if we don't understand that
we are uniquely created for
a specific thing, that we are each loved,
that we are each unique,
then we can really fall
victim to comparison and
this social media pressure,
especially for young people.
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And I mean,
I have a client who's a
twelve-year-old daughter at the time,
almost successfully committed suicide.
This is something like,
this is an urgent message.
And I wish more parents
The world needs to hear this
podcast right now because
this actually will save lives.
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If we feel,
and maybe we can talk about
some of the signs as well, right?
Because we are living in a
constantly connected world.
We're never that far away from our friends,
Lindsay.
My phone was right on me.
And so many people are living this way.
We're on a computer right now.
My phone is right here.
I've got some other
technology right there.
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We're so accessible,
but so disconnected at the
same time and it's killing us.
It is a hundred percent.
You know, I, I've,
I'm my mental health
without borders podcast.
I'm interviewing therapists
from around the world and
we're talking about the
mental health concerns
they're seeing in their
area in Denmark and Italy and
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In Spain and France.
And we're talking about the
similarities and
differences to the US or to
the other to the other
countries around them.
And we're talking about
their mental wellness,
their balance to see if
that has an impact,
but a consistent theme that
I have talked with people
about over and over and
over that they're bringing in from Asia.
from Italy recently,
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from a couple of other
places that I've talked to,
is the social media
comparison on young adults
and the negativity of it.
And we're all talking about it.
We are the mental health
professionals saying,
please signal the alarm.
This is not good for kids.
There's nothing good that
comes out of this for kids.
They're way too vulnerable.
they really don't have that
foundation built yet.
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It's like,
give them a chance to discover
who they are before,
even as adults we compare,
but before they get there,
because their foundation
will be built stronger and
they will be appreciative of who they are,
but it's almost impossible
for them to do that.
I know there was a
temptation to do that when
we were in high school.
When I was in the nineties in high school,
there was a temptation to compare,
but it was to the few
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people around you in school.
Now it's like a global comparison.
It's a much bigger deal and
it's much more stressful
and impossible for them to
follow the trends that they're seeing.
There's the lives of the celebrities.
I didn't have access maybe
in a magazine kind of,
but now they have full
access to how they live and
they think that that's
accessible for them or that there's again,
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something wrong with them.
and that there's some lack
in some way in their current life.
So it is a global, global trend.
And we're seeing that that comparison, yes,
can lead to depression, isolation,
self-consciousness, lack of confidence.
Even in Italy, in Italy, she said,
you know, I said,
what is one of your mental
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health struggles you're seeing?
And she said, loneliness.
I was very surprised.
Italy, I think of community.
I just think they do community so well.
I love going to Italy.
And I said, well,
what's the factor in that?
And she said, it's the phones,
social media and disconnection.
She's like, it's hitting us too now.
So instead of going out to do community,
people just want to stay home.
So they're not doing community well.
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And then the next generation
doesn't know how to do community.
So we're literally losing
some of these things that
we had for so long that
were so important to our culture.
It's what makes us human.
It's what makes us human.
And we're comparing
ourselves with people online, strangers,
who share the highlight reel.
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Mm-hmm.
They share the trophies,
they share the wins,
they share all the
airbrushing that goes with
it and all the filters that come with it.
But what nobody shares are
the messy kitchens, are the imperfections,
are the wrinkles,
are the non polished moments.
And we're comparing
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ourselves with a standard
that actually doesn't exist.
And we're reflecting that
back on ourselves and saying,
I must not be enough.
And to your point,
for a young mind viewing this,
they don't have the foundation built yet,
you know,
and they don't quite know who
they are yet.
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So then they're comparing
themselves with an unattainable,
unrealistic standard of
what a human should be like
when the person they're
comparing it to may not
even be a real person.
It could even be the AI.
I know, at this point, it's real scary.
Levels of scary.
It is scary.
And it's becoming more and more realistic.
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And it's going to come to a
point where we might not
even know what's real or not.
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Wow.
It's scary world out there
when you think about it.
And mental health,
the World Health Organization
I said that depression is
one of the leading causes
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of disability worldwide.
People are literally
becoming disabled from
their depressive state and
leading to isolation and
it's a loss of human connection.
And again,
from our very foundation as humans,
what did we do?
We sat around
you know, a fire.
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We shared stories.
We talked, we learned from our elders.
We don't do that stuff anymore.
I know.
I know.
I know.
We were, I,
I ran a pilot wellness retreat
this weekend.
I'm doing a five pillars of wellness.
And I, um,
I took my team to Tennessee and we,
we talked about that.
There's a social wellness
pillar that I go through
and the importance of connection,
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you know, and if you,
if you want to bring in the faith aspect,
it's so biblical, um,
Who did Jesus walk around with?
Twelve people, right,
that he was able to talk to,
commiserate with.
He still had time alone and
he had time of connection,
but he sat and had shared
meals with people and he
talked to people.
And so we are,
we're meant to be together socially.
And for young kiddos,
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it impacts their development.
It impacts their social skills.
And so we are seeing that
all over the board,
especially post-COVID.
COVID really hurt kiddos' self-confidence,
their social skills, increase in anxiety,
increase in depression.
But I'm still working with
kids to rebuild the social
skills that they lost or to
help them learn social
skills that they never have gained.
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And so that's,
it's difficult because how
do they get to the next
level if they don't have social skills?
How do they get that job?
How do they communicate with others?
And so there's a lot of loss in it.
I just wish it was more restricted.
I wish there was more, there is knowledge,
but people just,
I don't know how much they
pay attention to it.
So when a parent does bring
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a kiddo in and they're
talking to me about
depression or isolation,
that's my first question.
Do they have a phone?
And are they on social media?
Yeah.
And I almost always know the answer.
Rarely do I find parents
with strict boundaries.
I do sometimes.
I have got some, but again,
it's not their fault.
I mean, it's a systemic,
giant systemic issue.
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However, we just know.
And so I try to tell them, please,
if you can limit it, if you can stop it,
I know you can,
but then they get concerned
about their relationship
with their kiddo.
But at least in my home, when I think,
okay,
there's only so much I can do
outside of my home, but in my home,
with my son.
Sorry, bud.
I love you.
And he can recite it back.
What do I care most about?
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You love my heart and my soul and my mind.
Yes, exactly.
And that's why I have restrictions.
And you'll be able to do it later.
It's fine.
But not now.
You're just not ready for it.
And it's okay.
It's not your fault.
It's the thing that would hurt you.
It's not your fault.
It's hard to manage.
So true, though.
I mean, recently,
I took a break from social media.
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And it was
Amazing.
I'll say that.
Right.
So for anybody who's
listening and I'm a business owner,
which is not always easy.
Right.
But you have to put up boundaries.
And yeah,
I think I think I can't remember.
I think I took forty five
days just completely off social media,
deleted all the apps from my phone.
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So there was no temptation.
Mm hmm.
I stopped using my phone as
an alarm clock because what I was doing,
Lindsay,
I hate to admit it to a therapist,
but it's true.
I'll just say it.
The first thing I was doing in the morning,
I was checking Instagram
and LinkedIn and email and
all of these things.
I totally stopped doing that.
And what did I replace it with?
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The first thing now,
I pray and have time in
silence with my thoughts.
And I realized something.
It was a huge distraction.
It was a huge distraction and it was,
it was busyness masked as productivity.
Yes, absolutely.
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Right.
Are you with me on that?
Okay.
Not only with you,
but I struggle with it too, to be honest.
Being a business owner, yes,
it's like this.
Yeah,
it shouldn't be worn as a badge of honor,
but we do it all the time
with the busyness and we
aren't productive or productive.
And in some ways we might be
because we've got to do that work.
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But at the same time,
we've got to take care of
ourselves and our well-being.
And so can you imagine, you know,
getting up and having quiet
time and resetting and
thinking about your day
versus getting up and
immediately starting work?
just the thoughts about it.
You know,
you have an incoming barrage of
information from Instagram and from email,
and I've been guilty of it too.
And that's how I get started.
And already I'm starting to
think and plan and process
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and problem solve versus
just taking a moment to
even just be grateful for
the day to go sit outside and
And ironically,
like when we were in
Tennessee this weekend,
that's what we did every morning, right?
So no phones.
We put them away.
We go sit outside.
We have breakfast outside.
You can hear the birds chirping.
We're in the mountains.
And it's just peace.
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And then I go,
why don't I do this more
often at home in my regular life?
Why does it take a vacation
for me to do the things I
need to do to take care of myself?
It's so simple.
Yes, it's so simple, but rarely practiced.
And, you know, one thing with parents,
especially if you're an entrepreneur,
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but if you're, you know,
a leader of any status in your company,
you're going to have a lot
of information come at you constantly.
But again,
it goes back to what I was saying earlier,
there's eyes watching
everything that we do.
And for me, when I worked at corporate,
I was a corporate sales
director before I went out
and did my own thing.
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My daughter,
I remember her hiding my phone from me.
After work,
because she said I was on it
way too much and that I
wasn't paying attention to her.
And she was tired of mommy
working constantly.
I would work on vacation and all.
I mean, I was super toxic, you know,
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and I didn't set up those boundaries.
Right.
And that's part of what led
to even deeper lack of self-confidence,
even deeper depression and anxiety.
I didn't set up those healthy boundaries.
Now, boundaries, I love them.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
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I used to be terrified because I, oh,
my gosh,
I'm not going to please somebody today.
Oh, Lord, somebody's going to judge me.
Oh, well.
I know.
Oh, well.
Oh, well.
Going on love boundaries, right?
Yes.
I really do.
I think it's so important.
I think I'm a single mom.
And so because I'm also a
child and adolescent specialist,
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it's been so important for
me to carve out time for
just me and my son.
And so he will do the same.
He will call me out because
he knows that that's a
that's a house rule.
it's a house rule from a
certain time frame to a
certain time frame no
electronics we're just
together hanging out um
he's a kid that loves to go
outside and play um and if
even if he does and I kind
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of like pick up my phone
for a second he comes in
he's like mom this is not
the time you work today
this is not the time so
it's good it's
accountability in a way but
you're right I have to kind
of watch it because I don't
want to model that kind of
behavior as normal
So you have to give yourself credit, too,
because if she calls it out,
that means that she's
probably not also doing it.
Right.
And so a lot of times when
our parents are doing it
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and we're doing it,
nobody's nobody's saying
anything to anybody.
Everyone's just kind of in
their own world.
And unfortunately,
that's how some households are running.
But the fact that she sees it,
knows it means you've
taught her or that you've told her.
And so she she knows that.
So that's actually to a
kudos to you because my son
will do the exact same thing,
but it's because I've set
up that barrier for us, you know,
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and I've been able to,
I'm blessed to have been
able to align my schedule
with his as well.
So that's also a boundary where, yes,
I know clients want to be
seen in the afternoons and the evenings,
but I follow his school schedule.
And then if they ask me why and they say,
oh, why don't you have fours and fives?
Like I have plenty of
therapists that have fours and fives,
but for me,
I'm here at eight thirty in
the morning and then I
leave around four thirty in
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the afternoon and
I said,
but I want to spend quality time
with my son.
And that's why.
And that's really important to me as well.
And they don't really say
much back to that.
So I tell them I practice
what I preach in this way.
And spending that quality
time with him every day
after school is incredibly important.
I love that.
I love a leader that walks
the walk and talks the talk.
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You set the example for others to follow.
That's so powerful, so important.
Lindsay, everybody needs your services.
I'm just going to go ahead
and say that because the
world would be better with more Lindsays,
but there's only one of you.
You only work with people in
the Tampa area,
or can you tell us a little
bit more about who you work with?
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Yeah, absolutely.
I have a group practice in Tampa, Florida.
And so we have six
therapists here that have
different specialties to be
able to meet people's needs,
especially those timeframes, like I said.
So some people want to work
in the evenings,
maybe if they have a
husband that's working
during the day and they stay at home.
And I have some therapists that prefer it.
So they're able to come here
kind of easier in the evenings.
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So we have Monday through
Saturday appointments,
and we work with children, adolescents,
and adults from four all
the way up till my oldest
client is eighty years old.
I love her.
She's very sweet.
But right now, yes,
we are all licensed in Florida.
So we can see anybody in Florida.
We do both telehealth and
in-person appointments.
And they I hire therapists
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that care that are really
intentional with their clients.
Client care is incredibly important to me.
So this is not a passive.
This is not a passive job.
Sitting with our clients is
an active process.
And so.
I don't want to say anything
about any other therapist,
but there are therapists
where there's more
processing happening than
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kind of the emphasis on change.
And I believe that you're
coming to me because you're
having a challenge and you
don't want to have that
challenge anymore.
So we're very action oriented,
we're solution focused,
and we want to see people
make the changes that they
want to make in their life
in a real and active way.
And we want them to know
that that's incredibly important to us.
And that journey is important.
And we'll be with them.
You know,
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I just talked to somebody new
yesterday and said,
I'm going to be with you
every step of the way.
This is not something that
we cannot tackle together.
But it is a two-part process.
So you show up, I show up, we're here,
and we will do this work,
and we will move you through this.
And I'm sorry you're going through it,
and it's hard, but we will.
We will.
And that is my guarantee.
I'm able to take on less
clients than I used to
because I'm cash pay.
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And so I'm able to put full
focus on my clients.
And we're talking
collaboration with their
primary care doctors,
collaboration with their psychiatrists,
collaboration with their
schools and their teachers,
collaboration with their
past therapists if they need.
I mean,
I really want to make the situation
in the unit better for the
kiddos and the families
that I work with and the adults as well.
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So we just do really good
intentional work here in Florida.
But again,
To answer your first question,
we are licensed in Florida.
I love that.
Everybody in Florida,
call Dr. Lindsay Frey
because there's so many
parents out there that just
don't understand it's an option.
They blame themselves and it
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leads to depression.
even more isolation and it
leads to more depression and anxiety.
So I believe this is the right path.
What I like about you and
why I have so much respect
for your practice and for
your work and for your
other therapists as well is
that transformational
quality that you guys really offer.
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You're not looking to put a
bandaid on a broken arm.
You are looking to fix the fracture.
And that's what true healing is all about.
It's not about putting a
bandaid on a broken bone.
It's about fixing the
fracture and making sure.
it's stabilized and has
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protection so that it doesn't resurface.
This is the transformational
aspect of what you do and
why so many people can
benefit from your services.
Where are the best places to
find more about you online
and look into what you do
and who you help?
Yes.
And thank you for saying that too,
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because it really is important.
We, like I said,
it's sometimes changing the
entire system and fixing
the entire system.
So when I'm working with a child,
I am absolutely working
with a parent as well to help them,
to give them confidence,
to be able to help them know what to do,
because it isn't always so
easy for everybody and that's okay.
And so another thing that we
do here is collaborate with one another.
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So I'll be seeing a child,
someone else is seeing the couple,
someone else is seeing the
other child or sibling, and I'm
And to be able to, again,
help that whole full family.
And so, yes,
I love the word transformation
because that's what I
really hope is that it's a
full transformation,
but that they also remember
therapy as being a positive
process and a necessary process.
You don't have to rely on it.
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We want to be here for you,
but to be able to help you
heal and be able to move forward.
And so my practice is
Finding Hope Wellness Center.
So our website is
www.findinghopewellnesscenter.com.
And even if you aren't in the Florida area,
if you're in Florida,
we do accept some insurances.
And like I said,
we have several different
therapists with different
specialties here to try to
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fill the gaps for everyone
that maybe would be coming in.
We do both testing and therapy too.
So testing as well is very important,
testing and psychological evaluations.
They help to diagnose the
situation or the problem,
be able to provide answers
for what's happening.
And then we give summary and
recommendations on what the
next steps would be.
So whether it's therapy next
steps or whether it's
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accommodations for school
to be able to help the kiddo,
it's something that we are
really passionate about as well.
and I do lots of things with
that I even do
international adoption
evaluations um but if
you're not in florida and
you still want to somehow
being connected to us we
have a newsletter that goes
out every month we also
have articles we're
consistently putting on the
website to be able to help
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just provide more
information so if you need
hope and healing but you're
not able to see us and also
reach out I've got friends
all over the country that
are licensed in different states
So I always tell people,
I will be happy to help you.
I will be happy to help you find resources,
connect you.
And that's honest.
I have people call and they're like,
I didn't know how to find a
therapist or I called
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twelve therapists or I
didn't know what to do or
what kind of therapist I'm looking for.
So I actually really enjoy that, too.
If we're not the best fit
for somebody or it's not in our state,
if it's a front of different state,
I'm happy to find resources
and help connect people.
So even that we would be
happy to help you with that.
Psychologytoday.com is also
a really good resource just
for anyone that's not in
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the Florida area where
people usually put on their
independent profiles online
and that's nationwide.
So that's just a helpful
resource also for people.
I love that.
Lindsay,
tremendous amount of knowledge and
value today on this episode.
Truly,
I hope more parents lean into this
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and realize they don't have
to do this alone.
Yes.
But also, you know,
remember the model that we
are setting each of us for our children,
for our employees.
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot of eyes
looking up to us as leaders.
So keep this in mind because
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if we don't take care of ourself first,
if we don't lead ourself first,
we cannot lead a team of
many until we lead self.
So important.
Any final last words of wisdom?
Yeah, we did.
You know,
I think as far as the therapy process,
just I do want people to
know you don't have to have
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an identified problem to come in.
You know,
if people are listening and they're going,
I don't I don't know.
I don't know if therapy is right for me.
I try to let people know
there's different reasons
why people come in.
Sometimes it's an identified
problem that they want to
solve and they want to get through.
Sometimes it's a
confidential person to
process information.
So I have several adult women.
They just come as needed.
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So they might have an issue
and then they come in.
Might be an issue with their
spouse or something they're
dealing with personally or
with their kiddos,
and they know they can contact me.
It doesn't have to be you're
here and then you're stuck
for twelve sessions or six months.
If there's an identified
problem we're working through, yes,
I recommend weekly until we
kind of get through and
start meeting their treatment goals.
But you can also process
just a confidential person
that's outside of your
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family if you really want
to get a different kind of perspective.
And then the last thing that
I see consistently is self-improvement.
And so if you're hearing anything about,
I don't even know if I have
a strong foundation and
you're thirty years old, OK, come in.
We will help you figure that out.
We will help you get to that next level.
So if it's just truly I want
to come in and work on my
communication or my
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confidence or my own self-esteem,
I've had many, many adult women say,
I don't know that I have a
strong self-esteem.
And I'm like, okay, we'll work on it.
You know, it's hard thing to say out loud,
but I'm excited that they came in.
I always compliment them on
their bravery of coming in.
I know it can be hard to make that step.
Sometimes that's why it's
incredibly important for us
to call people back within
twenty four to forty eight hours,
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because I know how long
that people might have been
sitting to make that call
and how scary it can be to
just to sit and get the
return phone call.
And is somebody going to call me back?
So that's a really big and a
very important value that
we have here is making sure
people are reached as soon as possible.
to say, hey, we're really glad you called.
This was a great first step for you,
and we'd be happy to help you.
And if it's not us,
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we will connect you with
the right person to be able to help you.
And so that's what I would
say is just an
encouragement to seek out therapy.
The fact that we have
virtual options nowadays is
really convenient and nice as well,
because I still love in-person,
just to be honest.
We were talking about the
social connection,
and I just love in-person therapy.
It's my favorite.
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However,
I love the fact that we have the
virtual option for people
that may not want to go visit an office,
may be concerned about
going to visit an office or
they don't have time.
And so I've seen busy
professionals at lunchtime.
I've seen them in their car.
They're sitting in their car
and they're on their phone
on a therapy session.
That's OK.
You know,
you're still getting the help you
need when it's convenient
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for you and in the way that you can.
So that would be kind of my
final take is don't hesitate.
Reach out.
It doesn't hurt.
We're just here and meant to help you.
I love that.
Wow.
Powerful.
Tampa, Florida.
Call Lindsay Frey.
Love it.
Wonderful.
Wonderful.
Well,
thank you so much for being a
fantastic guest on this
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episode of Grasp Confidence Podcast,
Lindsay.
And thank you so much for
everyone who tuned into this episode.
Guys,
let us know your favorite takeaway in
the comments.
leave a comment on spotify
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check out her website see
if there is something on
there that resonates with
you maybe you're not sure
maybe you can't quite put
your finger on it but you
know something is not quite
optimized in your life and
your family and your household
This is why people like Lindsay exist,
to help you navigate these
(43:39):
uncertainties of life with confidence.
Guys, we can't do this without you.
So share this episode far
and wide with your friends, your family,
your colleagues,
with anybody who has children,
because we never know who
is struggling in silence.
We will catch you on the next episode.
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Take care.
are joined by one author who
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I love that.
Look around the room.
You'll see that you're not
so alone after all and that
unconfidence could look like any of us.
(00:21):
and maybe your whole life
you have been told that the best wins,
but I'm telling you right
now that the best known will win.
How do we truly find hope in
(00:43):
a world struggling with
anxiety and disconnection?
Today on Grasp Confidence,
I meet with Dr. Lindsay Frey,
a licensed clinical psychologist
speaker, and podcast host,
and she's the founder of
Finding Hope Wellness Center.
Lindsay specializes in supporting children,
(01:04):
teens,
and young adults through challenges
like ADHD, anxiety,
and self-esteem issues.
She leads a thriving
practice and designs
intentional wellness
retreats that inspire real
rest and renewal.
As the host of Mental Health
(01:25):
Without Borders,
she explores mental health
through a global lens,
interviewing therapists worldwide,
sharing practical,
cultural-grounded insights.
Join us for an inspiring
conversation on entrepreneurship, travel,
faith,
and everywhere in between as
Lindsay is on a mission to
(01:46):
create spaces where people can heal, grow,
and confidently embrace hope.
Lindsay, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
I'm really happy to be here.
Absolutely.
Well,
it's quite an intro for quite an
amazing lady.
You know,
we met online and I was instantly
(02:06):
blown away by your work.
Your content is so inspiring.
You're really moving people
and changing lives.
And I love the fact that you
help professionals navigate
this crazy world of
parenthood because we're
never given a manual, Lindsay.
Exactly.
We're really not.
And there's so many passions that I have.
(02:28):
So I really just honestly
love everything that I'm doing right now.
They all come from my
passion and from my values
and I would say my mission
and my purpose.
And so it's really neat to
feel like you are on that
path that was meant for you.
And it didn't always feel that way.
I always tried to kind of
follow the same path,
(02:49):
but I'm really enjoying it.
I'm having fun with all of it.
Wow.
I love interviewing people
who are aligned with their purpose.
There's nothing like the glow of purpose,
you know?
I agree.
You hear me when I say that?
You can tell when you're
interviewing and talking to
somebody who's truly
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aligned with the path they
were created for.
And you are in that space.
How did you get into all of this?
And how did you decide this
was your calling?
Yes, and that's a story,
and I love stories,
and I love telling stories,
and I think they resonate
with people in a different way.
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And so for me,
I grew up in a strong
Christian household.
My grandfather was a pastor
of a large church in Cincinnati,
in Cincinnati, Ohio.
That's where I grew up.
And my father was a youth pastor.
And so I really had a great
upbringing with really strong values,
which I followed.
I was not a rebellious teenager.
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I really appreciated and
took in everything that I
was taught from my family and from
the mentors that I had in my
life because of having a
large church where you just
happen to be known.
But when I was a teenager,
prior to some of the
traumas that happened to me,
I was a straight A student.
I was a little bit of
(04:11):
perfectionistic student,
but I enjoyed it.
I loved school.
I loved learning.
I was a cheerleader.
I was a cheerleader for several years.
I ran track and I had a lot
of really good friends in the school.
And I just was really
involved in my youth group.
I ended up starting a Bible
study later on in my school
and high school at six a.m.
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And we would go and bring a
bunch of donuts and meet in
the cafeteria.
So I really embraced life in
the same way I kind of do now,
but back then.
But at thirteen,
a tragedy stuck and we had
a boy in our youth group
who died instantly in gym class,
which was very traumatic
for our entire school.
So he went to the same
school as I did and he also
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was in our youth group as well.
And so that really shook the foundation of,
okay, life and death,
this is real and death
could happen at any time
and life is precious and life is short.
And it shifted my
perspective like no other.
just from that first passing.
But then unfortunately, the next two years,
I had more friends pass away.
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I had a friend pass away in
nineteen ninety eight, November,
a year after the first.
And then nineteen ninety nine,
I had two friends die in a car accident.
And so all were sixteen or
under between the ages of
thirteen and sixteen.
And so because of that,
it was it was a different
level of coping.
The first one really brought
the reality of life and
death to me who was so young.
But then the other ones that
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followed really made me question things.
And I started struggling
with depression and I
didn't know what depression was.
And it's very hard for
people to understand nowadays.
But in the nineties,
we did not talk about depression.
I did not have a word for depression.
I didn't have a word for
anxiety or bereavement or grief or
(05:53):
or anything like that,
that we wouldn't have social media.
We barely had the internet.
We didn't have email when I
was in middle school.
So there just wasn't a lot
of awareness or talk about it.
And so I heard the phrase several times,
what's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you?
Even from family members, supportive,
loving family members.
No, you just got to be happy, be happy.
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And I did not understand why I couldn't be
And so I did feel abnormal as well.
And so I found psychology in
a one-on-one psychology
class in high school.
And I started reading about
what I was going through
and it started to make
sense that this was hard
and this was bigger than me.
And so through that,
I started developing a passion
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for helping others that had
gone through what I had gone through.
And I kind of helped myself
out of depression.
And I started mentoring
girls that were experiencing depression.
I had youth pastors that
were calling me and asking
me to go visit girls in the
hospital and talk to them
about life and future and
hope at sixteen and
seventeen and eighteen years old.
And so it became very
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apparent because I already
had my faith base and my
foundation that God was
going to use my pain for a purpose.
I knew that at sixteen,
seventeen years old.
And so at eighteen,
I started writing down all
my dreams and goals for my life.
And I found it last year.
I forgot that it existed,
this sheet of paper that I had.
It was in a senior book.
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And it's that I want to be a
clinical psychologist and I
want to work with children
and adolescents and I want
to help them find hope and healing,
which is my theme today
that I didn't know was
attached to that back then.
And I want to travel the
world and help as many people as I can.
So that from eighteen on,
that was my focus.
And so that's where I know
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and I have the confidence
to know that I'm in my path
and calling because of how
it ties with my history.
It all makes sense.
I feel it when I'm in the
room with another teenager,
which was my primary passion.
I wanted to sit across from
teens and tell them they
are normal and this is hard.
And I want to help their
parents understand what
they're going through so
that they can know how to
best support them.
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And so that's...
my journey and I really never stopped.
So I received my master's,
my bachelor's in two thousand eight,
my master's in two thousand
and ten and my doctorate in
two thousand and fourteen.
And I started my private
practice in two thousand
eighteen as a solo
practitioner and then
opened my group in two
thousand twenty three.
So congratulations.
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And it's absolutely soaring.
You're hiring therapists and
You're changing lives.
You're onboarding a lot of clients.
A lot of people are coming
to you and getting real, real results,
life changing,
transformational type of results.
And I love the fact that
your business is growing along with that.
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I want to share with you something.
I didn't know we had this synergy.
This is so interesting.
At the age of sixteen,
I lost my best friend.
We were best friends from
the age of like four or
five till that time.
She had cystic fibrosis.
So it was one of those
things we knew it was coming, right?
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It was kind of like the long goodbye.
And then she went to a Make-A-Wish clinic.
And then the next couple of days,
it was the end.
And I think about that a lot
because that really changed.
It changed me for sure.
And then the next year,
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one of my other friends
died in a car accident at
the age of seventeen.
So I kind of saw this
simultaneous back to back.
I had this grief and it was
an unresolved grief.
And you're right,
you and I are around the same age.
There was no support for
something like that back then.
And there was no Internet, really,
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you know.
And for a long time,
I was very open about this
in my first book as well.
I struggled with anxiety and depression.
And it wasn't that long ago.
Maybe it was around twenty
twenty or something like that.
where I got diagnosed with
major depressive disorder and anxiety.
And it was the test where
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they make you check all the boxes.
And I was like, oh my God,
I think I checked every single one.
What is wrong with me?
And it's these unresolved traumas,
these unresolved griefs.
Sometimes we even forget about.
We do.
They just kind of linger.
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And I think a lot of people have this,
Lindsay, that, you know,
they have this unresolved
trauma and grief and it
shows up in their present
lives as sometimes anxiety
and depression.
What do you think?
It definitely does.
There's been so many times.
I mean,
that's so true that I've sat with
an adult and I have a
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natural kind of process for
my second and my first
intake sessions where
My first one, I'm getting to know them,
their family, their world,
their supports.
And the second, I'm doing a timeline.
And this is where a lot of things come up,
where I'm going back to childhood.
We kind of go through the childhood,
middle school, high school, college,
where they are now.
So I can kind of get an idea
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and understanding of their path.
And it really,
truly helps me to get to
know them in a real way.
And so we start to kind of
hit those buttons a little bit, you know?
And if we don't hit them the
first time when we go
through the timeline,
when we talk about their present symptoms,
like maybe it is depression, I'll go,
when did you first start
experiencing depression on your timeline?
And they might say, oh, the first,
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you know, the last six months.
And then they go, oh, well, actually, no,
fifteen also.
Okay, well, what happened at fifteen?
There you go.
You start talking about that
trauma experience that they
might not have understood
that was a trauma experience for them.
And so, yes, you're right.
Sometimes that they're aware
of the trauma and sometimes
they're not aware that it was.
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Yeah.
And, you know,
it can show up and kind of
manifest differently for different folks,
right?
So for me, it was, you know,
I struggled with confidence
for a long time.
It was one of those things I
always wanted to be hidden.
I never wanted to be the
center of attention.
I...
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was extremely shy and my
biggest fear was public speaking.
I'm very open about that
because I think it helps other people,
right?
To not feel alone.
And yeah,
that was definitely how it
manifested for me.
But when I became a parent,
speaking of parenting,
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I realized that if I didn't
break the cycle,
little eyes were watching
every single thing that I did.
And the last thing I wanted
was for my daughter to grow
up unconfident,
feeling like she wasn't worthy,
didn't want to be seen,
wanted to stay hidden.
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I saw this light inside of
her and it was part of
almost healing my past to
break that cycle and make
sure that she didn't have
that same experience again.
Yes, absolutely.
And even in my own life, you know, my,
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my son went through some
things a couple years ago, he's
First,
first thing I did was have a meet
with somebody and it ended
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up being very short term.
I think it was four to six sessions.
He was able to go in and
privately talk with
somebody and he come out
and he felt so much better.
He had tools to manage his anxiety.
I've given him some, but again,
you don't want to do
therapy with your own child,
but I can teach him certain
skills and breathing skills.
He's, he's very aware of,
he's very good with coping
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with his emotions just naturally and
But it was so helpful.
And to me, again,
it healed that part of me
that really needed help early on.
And I don't fault my parents.
It was a global thing.
It just wasn't mental health
was not being talked about,
nor was it being offered very,
very easily.
And so just to be able to
get him help as he needs.
And so now he will.
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He'll go, oh, mom, I've got a hard time.
I don't want to talk to you about it.
Can you set me up with somebody again?
Yeah.
Like, yeah,
because I just want him to know
it's a place that you can go.
It's a confidential space.
If you need to work something out,
it's okay.
And it's okay to ask for that.
And it's okay to seek help.
And so he knows that he is
able to do that.
So I would say that in my own life,
I've tried to break that by
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letting him know and just
being so open with him and
allowing him to be open
with me about things that
are hard and how I work through things.
I don't know how many times
in a week he has to hear, hey, buddy,
this is another life lesson.
Yeah.
He's like, okay, what's this life lesson?
So, hey, this was a hard thing,
but this is how I overcame it.
So I'm consistently trying
to teach him these skills
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to be able to get through
hard times because I think
I developed those later.
I just didn't have those
kind of skills when I was a teenager.
Absolutely.
It's a good reminder for all of us,
you know,
that we're going to experience adversity.
We're going to experience
challenges in our lives.
And it's about how do you cope with them?
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How do you deal with the
adversities when they come?
Because it's life.
It's inevitable, right?
You're going to experience challenges.
And that's one of the
reasons why I love gratitude so much.
I do want to talk about
gratitude because I'm
already thinking that's
resonating with you.
But one of the things, you know,
with gratitude and how it helped me,
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it's not to say that you're
never going to experience
adversity or challenges,
but when they come.
You have a tool to help you navigate it.
And, you know,
I like to think of gratitude
as my little ninja mindset
warrior so that if a
problem does encounter,
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if I have a failure, for example,
or rejection,
I immediately thank God and say,
you know what?
That must mean a greater blessing,
a bigger thing,
larger opportunities coming in.
And that you didn't want me
entangled with something lesser.
And it's incredible.
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My mindset is complete.
completely shifted since
I've started gratitude
practices what do you think
about that do you
incorporate that into your
teachings and all the time
all the time all the time
as a therapist and then for
myself so for myself like
you if there's like say I
have doors and I'm not sure
which door to go through a
choices options and they
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just shut in your face it's
a thank you god you've made
that answer clear I really
wanted an answer and you
guided me throughout that
process and I appreciate that
And the same thing with the trials.
And I think too, with me,
gratitude is always attached to my why.
And that's very, very helpful for me.
And so as I told you my story,
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when I sit and I have a
difficult client or a
situation that it's hard to get through,
and I might be struggling with it,
I just think, gosh,
but this is what I want.
And this is what I wanted to do.
I'm sitting here doing
exactly what I wanted to do.
I'm so grateful for
And so that's where I don't get stuck.
It's this is my purpose.
This is my plan.
And hard things are going to happen.
And you just pick yourself
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up and keep going.
So that's where I really do
consistently attach it to.
I know why I'm doing this
and this is important.
So even when hard things come,
you can get through them a
little bit easier.
When you kind of have that
foundation of purpose and
mission and gratitude,
I think it's easier to kind
of get through those things.
And I think, too, with clients,
I work with a lot of
adolescents and young adults.
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And so I'm consistently
talking to them about their foundation.
So we talk about their foundation,
their values, their purpose, their goals,
and trying to kind of set
that up for them in the same way.
So as they go out into the world and
they have a better
foundation when hardships come,
when they need to be resilient.
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And hopefully, you know,
using to the resources that
they have and being
grateful for the resources
that they have.
So when I do a lot of
strengths work with
adolescents and young adults,
I do try to teach them to
be grateful for the
strengths they have and the
challenges because
self-awareness is so
important to be able to
understand and navigate things knowing,
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hey,
I've got these challenges and then
I've got these strengths.
But they all are going to balance out.
Everybody has them.
And I can be grateful for
who I am and how I was made,
uniquely created.
I talk to them about that a lot.
And then hopefully that will
help them as they move forward.
Absolutely, because right now,
you know this better than anybody,
but right now so many
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people are getting inundated with,
you know, social media.
They're constantly comparing
themselves to people online.
And it's diminishing their self-worth,
their self-esteem.
They feel, again,
just this constant comparison, right?
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And if we don't align
ourselves with our purpose,
if we don't understand that
we are uniquely created for
a specific thing, that we are each loved,
that we are each unique,
then we can really fall
victim to comparison and
this social media pressure,
especially for young people.
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And I mean,
I have a client who's a
twelve-year-old daughter at the time,
almost successfully committed suicide.
This is something like,
this is an urgent message.
And I wish more parents
The world needs to hear this
podcast right now because
this actually will save lives.
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If we feel,
and maybe we can talk about
some of the signs as well, right?
Because we are living in a
constantly connected world.
We're never that far away from our friends,
Lindsay.
My phone was right on me.
And so many people are living this way.
We're on a computer right now.
My phone is right here.
I've got some other
technology right there.
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We're so accessible,
but so disconnected at the
same time and it's killing us.
It is a hundred percent.
You know, I, I've,
I'm my mental health
without borders podcast.
I'm interviewing therapists
from around the world and
we're talking about the
mental health concerns
they're seeing in their
area in Denmark and Italy and
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In Spain and France.
And we're talking about the
similarities and
differences to the US or to
the other to the other
countries around them.
And we're talking about
their mental wellness,
their balance to see if
that has an impact,
but a consistent theme that
I have talked with people
about over and over and
over that they're bringing in from Asia.
from Italy recently,
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from a couple of other
places that I've talked to,
is the social media
comparison on young adults
and the negativity of it.
And we're all talking about it.
We are the mental health
professionals saying,
please signal the alarm.
This is not good for kids.
There's nothing good that
comes out of this for kids.
They're way too vulnerable.
they really don't have that
foundation built yet.
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It's like,
give them a chance to discover
who they are before,
even as adults we compare,
but before they get there,
because their foundation
will be built stronger and
they will be appreciative of who they are,
but it's almost impossible
for them to do that.
I know there was a
temptation to do that when
we were in high school.
When I was in the nineties in high school,
there was a temptation to compare,
but it was to the few
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people around you in school.
Now it's like a global comparison.
It's a much bigger deal and
it's much more stressful
and impossible for them to
follow the trends that they're seeing.
There's the lives of the celebrities.
I didn't have access maybe
in a magazine kind of,
but now they have full
access to how they live and
they think that that's
accessible for them or that there's again,
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something wrong with them.
and that there's some lack
in some way in their current life.
So it is a global, global trend.
And we're seeing that that comparison, yes,
can lead to depression, isolation,
self-consciousness, lack of confidence.
Even in Italy, in Italy, she said,
you know, I said,
what is one of your mental
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health struggles you're seeing?
And she said, loneliness.
I was very surprised.
Italy, I think of community.
I just think they do community so well.
I love going to Italy.
And I said, well,
what's the factor in that?
And she said, it's the phones,
social media and disconnection.
She's like, it's hitting us too now.
So instead of going out to do community,
people just want to stay home.
So they're not doing community well.
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And then the next generation
doesn't know how to do community.
So we're literally losing
some of these things that
we had for so long that
were so important to our culture.
It's what makes us human.
It's what makes us human.
And we're comparing
ourselves with people online, strangers,
who share the highlight reel.
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Mm-hmm.
They share the trophies,
they share the wins,
they share all the
airbrushing that goes with
it and all the filters that come with it.
But what nobody shares are
the messy kitchens, are the imperfections,
are the wrinkles,
are the non polished moments.
And we're comparing
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ourselves with a standard
that actually doesn't exist.
And we're reflecting that
back on ourselves and saying,
I must not be enough.
And to your point,
for a young mind viewing this,
they don't have the foundation built yet,
you know,
and they don't quite know who
they are yet.
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So then they're comparing
themselves with an unattainable,
unrealistic standard of
what a human should be like
when the person they're
comparing it to may not
even be a real person.
It could even be the AI.
I know, at this point, it's real scary.
Levels of scary.
It is scary.
And it's becoming more and more realistic.
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And it's going to come to a
point where we might not
even know what's real or not.
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Wow.
It's scary world out there
when you think about it.
And mental health,
the World Health Organization
I said that depression is
one of the leading causes
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of disability worldwide.
People are literally
becoming disabled from
their depressive state and
leading to isolation and
it's a loss of human connection.
And again,
from our very foundation as humans,
what did we do?
We sat around
you know, a fire.
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We shared stories.
We talked, we learned from our elders.
We don't do that stuff anymore.
I know.
I know.
I know.
We were, I,
I ran a pilot wellness retreat
this weekend.
I'm doing a five pillars of wellness.
And I, um,
I took my team to Tennessee and we,
we talked about that.
There's a social wellness
pillar that I go through
and the importance of connection,
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you know, and if you,
if you want to bring in the faith aspect,
it's so biblical, um,
Who did Jesus walk around with?
Twelve people, right,
that he was able to talk to,
commiserate with.
He still had time alone and
he had time of connection,
but he sat and had shared
meals with people and he
talked to people.
And so we are,
we're meant to be together socially.
And for young kiddos,
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it impacts their development.
It impacts their social skills.
And so we are seeing that
all over the board,
especially post-COVID.
COVID really hurt kiddos' self-confidence,
their social skills, increase in anxiety,
increase in depression.
But I'm still working with
kids to rebuild the social
skills that they lost or to
help them learn social
skills that they never have gained.
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And so that's,
it's difficult because how
do they get to the next
level if they don't have social skills?
How do they get that job?
How do they communicate with others?
And so there's a lot of loss in it.
I just wish it was more restricted.
I wish there was more, there is knowledge,
but people just,
I don't know how much they
pay attention to it.
So when a parent does bring
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a kiddo in and they're
talking to me about
depression or isolation,
that's my first question.
Do they have a phone?
And are they on social media?
Yeah.
And I almost always know the answer.
Rarely do I find parents
with strict boundaries.
I do sometimes.
I have got some, but again,
it's not their fault.
I mean, it's a systemic,
giant systemic issue.
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However, we just know.
And so I try to tell them, please,
if you can limit it, if you can stop it,
I know you can,
but then they get concerned
about their relationship
with their kiddo.
But at least in my home, when I think,
okay,
there's only so much I can do
outside of my home, but in my home,
with my son.
Sorry, bud.
I love you.
And he can recite it back.
What do I care most about?
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You love my heart and my soul and my mind.
Yes, exactly.
And that's why I have restrictions.
And you'll be able to do it later.
It's fine.
But not now.
You're just not ready for it.
And it's okay.
It's not your fault.
It's the thing that would hurt you.
It's not your fault.
It's hard to manage.
So true, though.
I mean, recently,
I took a break from social media.
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And it was
Amazing.
I'll say that.
Right.
So for anybody who's
listening and I'm a business owner,
which is not always easy.
Right.
But you have to put up boundaries.
And yeah,
I think I think I can't remember.
I think I took forty five
days just completely off social media,
deleted all the apps from my phone.
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So there was no temptation.
Mm hmm.
I stopped using my phone as
an alarm clock because what I was doing,
Lindsay,
I hate to admit it to a therapist,
but it's true.
I'll just say it.
The first thing I was doing in the morning,
I was checking Instagram
and LinkedIn and email and
all of these things.
I totally stopped doing that.
And what did I replace it with?
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The first thing now,
I pray and have time in
silence with my thoughts.
And I realized something.
It was a huge distraction.
It was a huge distraction and it was,
it was busyness masked as productivity.
Yes, absolutely.
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Right.
Are you with me on that?
Okay.
Not only with you,
but I struggle with it too, to be honest.
Being a business owner, yes,
it's like this.
Yeah,
it shouldn't be worn as a badge of honor,
but we do it all the time
with the busyness and we
aren't productive or productive.
And in some ways we might be
because we've got to do that work.
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But at the same time,
we've got to take care of
ourselves and our well-being.
And so can you imagine, you know,
getting up and having quiet
time and resetting and
thinking about your day
versus getting up and
immediately starting work?
just the thoughts about it.
You know,
you have an incoming barrage of
information from Instagram and from email,
and I've been guilty of it too.
And that's how I get started.
And already I'm starting to
think and plan and process
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and problem solve versus
just taking a moment to
even just be grateful for
the day to go sit outside and
And ironically,
like when we were in
Tennessee this weekend,
that's what we did every morning, right?
So no phones.
We put them away.
We go sit outside.
We have breakfast outside.
You can hear the birds chirping.
We're in the mountains.
And it's just peace.
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And then I go,
why don't I do this more
often at home in my regular life?
Why does it take a vacation
for me to do the things I
need to do to take care of myself?
It's so simple.
Yes, it's so simple, but rarely practiced.
And, you know, one thing with parents,
especially if you're an entrepreneur,
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but if you're, you know,
a leader of any status in your company,
you're going to have a lot
of information come at you constantly.
But again,
it goes back to what I was saying earlier,
there's eyes watching
everything that we do.
And for me, when I worked at corporate,
I was a corporate sales
director before I went out
and did my own thing.
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My daughter,
I remember her hiding my phone from me.
After work,
because she said I was on it
way too much and that I
wasn't paying attention to her.
And she was tired of mommy
working constantly.
I would work on vacation and all.
I mean, I was super toxic, you know,
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and I didn't set up those boundaries.
Right.
And that's part of what led
to even deeper lack of self-confidence,
even deeper depression and anxiety.
I didn't set up those healthy boundaries.
Now, boundaries, I love them.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
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I used to be terrified because I, oh,
my gosh,
I'm not going to please somebody today.
Oh, Lord, somebody's going to judge me.
Oh, well.
I know.
Oh, well.
Oh, well.
Going on love boundaries, right?
Yes.
I really do.
I think it's so important.
I think I'm a single mom.
And so because I'm also a
child and adolescent specialist,
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it's been so important for
me to carve out time for
just me and my son.
And so he will do the same.
He will call me out because
he knows that that's a
that's a house rule.
it's a house rule from a
certain time frame to a
certain time frame no
electronics we're just
together hanging out um
he's a kid that loves to go
outside and play um and if
even if he does and I kind
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of like pick up my phone
for a second he comes in
he's like mom this is not
the time you work today
this is not the time so
it's good it's
accountability in a way but
you're right I have to kind
of watch it because I don't
want to model that kind of
behavior as normal
So you have to give yourself credit, too,
because if she calls it out,
that means that she's
probably not also doing it.
Right.
And so a lot of times when
our parents are doing it
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and we're doing it,
nobody's nobody's saying
anything to anybody.
Everyone's just kind of in
their own world.
And unfortunately,
that's how some households are running.
But the fact that she sees it,
knows it means you've
taught her or that you've told her.
And so she she knows that.
So that's actually to a
kudos to you because my son
will do the exact same thing,
but it's because I've set
up that barrier for us, you know,
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and I've been able to,
I'm blessed to have been
able to align my schedule
with his as well.
So that's also a boundary where, yes,
I know clients want to be
seen in the afternoons and the evenings,
but I follow his school schedule.
And then if they ask me why and they say,
oh, why don't you have fours and fives?
Like I have plenty of
therapists that have fours and fives,
but for me,
I'm here at eight thirty in
the morning and then I
leave around four thirty in
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the afternoon and
I said,
but I want to spend quality time
with my son.
And that's why.
And that's really important to me as well.
And they don't really say
much back to that.
So I tell them I practice
what I preach in this way.
And spending that quality
time with him every day
after school is incredibly important.
I love that.
I love a leader that walks
the walk and talks the talk.
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You set the example for others to follow.
That's so powerful, so important.
Lindsay, everybody needs your services.
I'm just going to go ahead
and say that because the
world would be better with more Lindsays,
but there's only one of you.
You only work with people in
the Tampa area,
or can you tell us a little
bit more about who you work with?
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Yeah, absolutely.
I have a group practice in Tampa, Florida.
And so we have six
therapists here that have
different specialties to be
able to meet people's needs,
especially those timeframes, like I said.
So some people want to work
in the evenings,
maybe if they have a
husband that's working
during the day and they stay at home.
And I have some therapists that prefer it.
So they're able to come here
kind of easier in the evenings.
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So we have Monday through
Saturday appointments,
and we work with children, adolescents,
and adults from four all
the way up till my oldest
client is eighty years old.
I love her.
She's very sweet.
But right now, yes,
we are all licensed in Florida.
So we can see anybody in Florida.
We do both telehealth and
in-person appointments.
And they I hire therapists
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that care that are really
intentional with their clients.
Client care is incredibly important to me.
So this is not a passive.
This is not a passive job.
Sitting with our clients is
an active process.
And so.
I don't want to say anything
about any other therapist,
but there are therapists
where there's more
processing happening than
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kind of the emphasis on change.
And I believe that you're
coming to me because you're
having a challenge and you
don't want to have that
challenge anymore.
So we're very action oriented,
we're solution focused,
and we want to see people
make the changes that they
want to make in their life
in a real and active way.
And we want them to know
that that's incredibly important to us.
And that journey is important.
And we'll be with them.
You know,
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I just talked to somebody new
yesterday and said,
I'm going to be with you
every step of the way.
This is not something that
we cannot tackle together.
But it is a two-part process.
So you show up, I show up, we're here,
and we will do this work,
and we will move you through this.
And I'm sorry you're going through it,
and it's hard, but we will.
We will.
And that is my guarantee.
I'm able to take on less
clients than I used to
because I'm cash pay.
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And so I'm able to put full
focus on my clients.
And we're talking
collaboration with their
primary care doctors,
collaboration with their psychiatrists,
collaboration with their
schools and their teachers,
collaboration with their
past therapists if they need.
I mean,
I really want to make the situation
in the unit better for the
kiddos and the families
that I work with and the adults as well.
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So we just do really good
intentional work here in Florida.
But again,
To answer your first question,
we are licensed in Florida.
I love that.
Everybody in Florida,
call Dr. Lindsay Frey
because there's so many
parents out there that just
don't understand it's an option.
They blame themselves and it
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leads to depression.
even more isolation and it
leads to more depression and anxiety.
So I believe this is the right path.
What I like about you and
why I have so much respect
for your practice and for
your work and for your
other therapists as well is
that transformational
quality that you guys really offer.
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You're not looking to put a
bandaid on a broken arm.
You are looking to fix the fracture.
And that's what true healing is all about.
It's not about putting a
bandaid on a broken bone.
It's about fixing the
fracture and making sure.
it's stabilized and has
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protection so that it doesn't resurface.
This is the transformational
aspect of what you do and
why so many people can
benefit from your services.
Where are the best places to
find more about you online
and look into what you do
and who you help?
Yes.
And thank you for saying that too,
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because it really is important.
We, like I said,
it's sometimes changing the
entire system and fixing
the entire system.
So when I'm working with a child,
I am absolutely working
with a parent as well to help them,
to give them confidence,
to be able to help them know what to do,
because it isn't always so
easy for everybody and that's okay.
And so another thing that we
do here is collaborate with one another.
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So I'll be seeing a child,
someone else is seeing the couple,
someone else is seeing the
other child or sibling, and I'm
And to be able to, again,
help that whole full family.
And so, yes,
I love the word transformation
because that's what I
really hope is that it's a
full transformation,
but that they also remember
therapy as being a positive
process and a necessary process.
You don't have to rely on it.
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We want to be here for you,
but to be able to help you
heal and be able to move forward.
And so my practice is
Finding Hope Wellness Center.
So our website is
www.findinghopewellnesscenter.com.
And even if you aren't in the Florida area,
if you're in Florida,
we do accept some insurances.
And like I said,
we have several different
therapists with different
specialties here to try to
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fill the gaps for everyone
that maybe would be coming in.
We do both testing and therapy too.
So testing as well is very important,
testing and psychological evaluations.
They help to diagnose the
situation or the problem,
be able to provide answers
for what's happening.
And then we give summary and
recommendations on what the
next steps would be.
So whether it's therapy next
steps or whether it's
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accommodations for school
to be able to help the kiddo,
it's something that we are
really passionate about as well.
and I do lots of things with
that I even do
international adoption
evaluations um but if
you're not in florida and
you still want to somehow
being connected to us we
have a newsletter that goes
out every month we also
have articles we're
consistently putting on the
website to be able to help
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just provide more
information so if you need
hope and healing but you're
not able to see us and also
reach out I've got friends
all over the country that
are licensed in different states
So I always tell people,
I will be happy to help you.
I will be happy to help you find resources,
connect you.
And that's honest.
I have people call and they're like,
I didn't know how to find a
therapist or I called
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twelve therapists or I
didn't know what to do or
what kind of therapist I'm looking for.
So I actually really enjoy that, too.
If we're not the best fit
for somebody or it's not in our state,
if it's a front of different state,
I'm happy to find resources
and help connect people.
So even that we would be
happy to help you with that.
Psychologytoday.com is also
a really good resource just
for anyone that's not in
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the Florida area where
people usually put on their
independent profiles online
and that's nationwide.
So that's just a helpful
resource also for people.
I love that.
Lindsay,
tremendous amount of knowledge and
value today on this episode.
Truly,
I hope more parents lean into this
(39:29):
and realize they don't have
to do this alone.
Yes.
But also, you know,
remember the model that we
are setting each of us for our children,
for our employees.
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot of eyes
looking up to us as leaders.
So keep this in mind because
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if we don't take care of ourself first,
if we don't lead ourself first,
we cannot lead a team of
many until we lead self.
So important.
Any final last words of wisdom?
Yeah, we did.
You know,
I think as far as the therapy process,
just I do want people to
know you don't have to have
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an identified problem to come in.
You know,
if people are listening and they're going,
I don't I don't know.
I don't know if therapy is right for me.
I try to let people know
there's different reasons
why people come in.
Sometimes it's an identified
problem that they want to
solve and they want to get through.
Sometimes it's a
confidential person to
process information.
So I have several adult women.
They just come as needed.
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So they might have an issue
and then they come in.
Might be an issue with their
spouse or something they're
dealing with personally or
with their kiddos,
and they know they can contact me.
It doesn't have to be you're
here and then you're stuck
for twelve sessions or six months.
If there's an identified
problem we're working through, yes,
I recommend weekly until we
kind of get through and
start meeting their treatment goals.
But you can also process
just a confidential person
that's outside of your
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family if you really want
to get a different kind of perspective.
And then the last thing that
I see consistently is self-improvement.
And so if you're hearing anything about,
I don't even know if I have
a strong foundation and
you're thirty years old, OK, come in.
We will help you figure that out.
We will help you get to that next level.
So if it's just truly I want
to come in and work on my
communication or my
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confidence or my own self-esteem,
I've had many, many adult women say,
I don't know that I have a
strong self-esteem.
And I'm like, okay, we'll work on it.
You know, it's hard thing to say out loud,
but I'm excited that they came in.
I always compliment them on
their bravery of coming in.
I know it can be hard to make that step.
Sometimes that's why it's
incredibly important for us
to call people back within
twenty four to forty eight hours,
(41:35):
because I know how long
that people might have been
sitting to make that call
and how scary it can be to
just to sit and get the
return phone call.
And is somebody going to call me back?
So that's a really big and a
very important value that
we have here is making sure
people are reached as soon as possible.
to say, hey, we're really glad you called.
This was a great first step for you,
and we'd be happy to help you.
And if it's not us,
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we will connect you with
the right person to be able to help you.
And so that's what I would
say is just an
encouragement to seek out therapy.
The fact that we have
virtual options nowadays is
really convenient and nice as well,
because I still love in-person,
just to be honest.
We were talking about the
social connection,
and I just love in-person therapy.
It's my favorite.
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However,
I love the fact that we have the
virtual option for people
that may not want to go visit an office,
may be concerned about
going to visit an office or
they don't have time.
And so I've seen busy
professionals at lunchtime.
I've seen them in their car.
They're sitting in their car
and they're on their phone
on a therapy session.
That's OK.
You know,
you're still getting the help you
need when it's convenient
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for you and in the way that you can.
So that would be kind of my
final take is don't hesitate.
Reach out.
It doesn't hurt.
We're just here and meant to help you.
I love that.
Wow.
Powerful.
Tampa, Florida.
Call Lindsay Frey.
Love it.
Wonderful.
Wonderful.
Well,
thank you so much for being a
fantastic guest on this
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episode of Grasp Confidence Podcast,
Lindsay.
And thank you so much for
everyone who tuned into this episode.
Guys,
let us know your favorite takeaway in
the comments.
leave a comment on spotify
on apple on youtube
wherever you're watching
this episode and reach out
to lindsay take advantage
of her available resources
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like her newsletters and
check out her website see
if there is something on
there that resonates with
you maybe you're not sure
maybe you can't quite put
your finger on it but you
know something is not quite
optimized in your life and
your family and your household
This is why people like Lindsay exist,
to help you navigate these
(43:39):
uncertainties of life with confidence.
Guys, we can't do this without you.
So share this episode far
and wide with your friends, your family,
your colleagues,
with anybody who has children,
because we never know who
is struggling in silence.
We will catch you on the next episode.
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Take care.
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