June 21, 2024 • 17 mins
What shapes our identity and fuels our courage to challenge societal norms? Today, we revisit an inspiring conversation with Jim Herr, director of the Democracy Center at the Japanese American National Museum. Jim opens up about his experiences as a Hapa kid in rural Pennsylvania, where he faced exclusion and was told he couldn't be president because of his skin color. His journey from feeling marginalized to leading critical discussions on democracy and empathy offers a compelling narrative of personal growth and resilience. We also touch upon artist Arlene Kim Suda's reflections on cultural identity and the unique pressures mixed-race individuals navigate, emphasizing the crucial role of community in embracing our differences and moving towards a more inclusive society.
Curiosity can be a powerful tool against fear. We explore how engaging with what makes us uncomfortable can lead to deeper understanding and diminish fear's hold on our lives. By taking small, intentional steps, we can conquer our anxieties and live more fulfilling lives. To help keep curiosity alive, we introduce practical tools like the Garden of Curiosity note cards and candles from the Gratitude Blooming shop. These simple reminders encourage us to end each day with a moment of pause and curiosity, fostering peace and a sense of renewal regardless of the day's challenges. Join us for this uplifting episode that showcases the transformative potential of curiosity and empathy.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello Belinda, hey Omar.
So in this mashup series ofCuriosity we are revisiting the
conversation that we had withthe Democracy Center director,
that's a mouthful, jim Herr, aswell as some of the initial
reflections from the artistArlene Kim Suda in season one
(00:30):
and with Jim, you know it's beenthis amazing ongoing
collaboration with our Empathyand Democracy series, but it's
also really, I feel like, beenthis evolution of Jim himself,
right From when he shared beinga Hapa kid in Pennsylvania and
being told he couldn't run forpresident because of the color
(00:54):
of his skin and questioningwhether or not he was actually
an American, to now, obviously,as the head of the Democracy
Center and holding theseconversations.
But then through his own journey, you know he has an elderly
parent now and he's been sort ofin a new phase of transition in
(01:16):
his life, and so it's beenpowerful to really see him hold
space and be held by space.
Right and I think that's really, you know, why we do these
things is to recognize thatwe're not alone, right, that we
are part of families andcultures that we both create
(01:36):
space for, and then, when theywork, we are then also taken
care of as well.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, I hope you enjoy this excerpt from our
interview with Jim.
This is what inspired us toco-create in so many different,
unexpected ways, and I just lovehow following this energy of
curiosity can lead to so manybeautiful things in our lives,
and this is just one reallytangible example of that.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I didn't grow up in Philadelphia, which probably
would have I don't know if thatwould have been better or worse.
I grew up outside in what was avery rural area when I was a
little kid and became very muchlike suburban sprawl.
At the time I graduated highschool, but I was still.
My mother and I were like theonly people of color.
About 10 years in she ended upworking for a Filipino doctor
(02:33):
and so there was another, andthey were a mixed family as well
, but there weren't a lot of,there wasn't a lot of color, and
so you know that experiencereally defined, I think, who I
am today and why I do the workthat I do today.
Because I was made to feeldifferent, feel, you know, not a
part of the rest of whatAmerica was.
(02:57):
I was literally told I was anAmerican because I wasn't white,
and I didn't believe it atfirst, but I think over time it
just kind of reinforced itself.
And I've been talking a lotrecently particularly with my
job now about I really wanted tobe president.
When I was a kid, I was thatweird kid in class who knew all
(03:21):
the presidents, knew all thestates, knew the Constitution.
Just yeah, weird little wholike knew all the presidents,
knew all the states knew, likethe constitution.
And like just yeah, weirdlittle kid with big dreams who,
you know, was brought back downto earth when I was told I
couldn't be president because Iwasn't American, and I said
that's, but I was born here.
Like yeah, but you're notreally American.
(03:41):
And what do you mean?
Well, you're not white.
And these were my friends thatwere telling me this and I feel
like they weren't being mean orcondescending or even racist.
They were just we were lookingat the world around us in, you
know, 1970, whatever, you know,everybody at the highest levels
(04:03):
of government was a white man,and so I think they were just
trying to look out for me, likeyou don't want to go down that
road because it's going to gonowhere for you.
And I didn't have enough of thesupport of a community around
me to understand that thatwasn't true, and so eventually I
(04:25):
began to believe it, and youknow all of those kinds of even
just the idea of public servicejust seemed like it wasn't
something that would beavailable for me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So heartbreaking, just as another Hapa kid.
And you know feeling like Ialways had to check the other
box, like you don't even fitinto any of these categories,
you just pick other.
And you know I even think aboutmy daughters.
You know they're quarterChinese, quarter Indonesian,
(04:58):
quarter black, quarter white,and you know they're each going
through their own culturalidentity and there's just so
much pressure and it's bothhighly visible, like his friend
telling him like hey, you're notthis, but it's also, I think,
even more, it's like a pervasivepressure thing that's just in
the air and you know it's.
(05:21):
It's a constant conversationwith my daughters, you know one
is slightly darker than theother, is a little lighter, and
just how they move through theworld is very different, because
one is sort of viewed by myyoungest, slightly darker went
to the black student uh groupand they're like, oh, you're
(05:42):
black.
And they're like wait, doesthat mean your sister's black
too?
And they're like, yep, that'sthe same mom, same father, you
know.
And so it's just we've come along way, you know from.
You know who is in office andwho gets to sort of reflect what
democracy looks like, but it'sstill.
We have so much more to go.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I could relate so much to his story.
I mean, five years old, landingin rural Pennsylvania was me
too.
And man, that's a reality checkwhen you are pulled out of
everything you know and areconfronted with being different,
and how do you still continueto embrace your, your
differentness?
You know, I in the conversation, omar, we were joking because I
(06:26):
just said, you know, I need, Ihave learned now in my 40s to
embrace that I'm anon-conventional Asian.
You know, I'm just not.
I just my parents have given up.
They're like, okay, she's nevergoing to do things in our
timeline that we expect and wejust have to let it go.
And and I and I and I was reallyfeeling his compassion towards
(06:49):
his friends because that youknow, at that age you either
have to kind of blend in andjust do what everyone else is
doing to fit in and not getbullied, which I think that's
what I ended up doing to survivesocially.
But he also had a lot ofcompassion for them.
We were looking around andthat's what the world looked
(07:09):
like.
It wasn't to be mean to me, itwas because this is what they
saw and this is what theythought the world was.
So I really felt that love inhim too, in sharing the pain of
that story.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That is why it's just so important.
Sometimes dreaming can feellike too woo-woo and like, oh,
we have big dreams.
But we really do have tosometimes dream beyond the
current realities, particularlyif we don't feel like we're
included in them.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know, particularly if we don't of that
we're not as wonderful as wethink we are or that we're not
as good as we think we are thatsomebody will find out that we
are imposters or that we'll findout that we're an imposter.
But I also think it's.
We're afraid that we might findthat we're greater than we ever
(08:22):
thought we are and that therecomes a responsibility with that
.
Not to be too Spider-Man, butwith great power comes great
responsibility, and I think weall have a wide open universe
and possibility if we look atourselves and really see
(08:45):
ourselves for the potential thatwe have.
I think that's something thatcan be, very, very scary to be
able to think that we have thatlight within us that can shine
on other people and help otherpeople.
I think it's very scary.
I think it's probably morescary than finding out that
(09:06):
you're not who you think you are.
But that all begins withcuriosity.
It all begins with wanting todig deeper, to understand, to
uncover.
We were just talking aboutmining earlier, like how do you
mine yourself?
How do you mine the gold that'sinside of you?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I was really struck by how he reframed this whole
thing about curiosity.
You know, like wow, I mean,maybe you're even more
extraordinary and luminous thanyou ever thought you were.
And if you didn't havecuriosity you would never
uncover that gold that's withinyou.
That was a total surprise turnin that conversation.
(09:47):
And it starts with thatrelationship.
You know, like that plantlooking down on itself, its own
body, its own leaves why do Ishy away from that?
What is it that makes it hardto look that deep?
And I think you pinpoint it.
It is a really primal fear tolook too closely.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And what do you remember from the first season,
around the conversation withArlene and sort of curiosity,
because I feel like there waslike a deep connection also with
fear.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, and I had a very interesting synchronicity that
happened recently where thiscard showed up in another group
circle that I held in MountShasta and before we pick this
card, so many people weresharing around the discomfort of
being in the unknown, of beingin a life transition either it's
(10:54):
professional or personal or abit of both and just like not
knowing how to be in that right,like we're so used to being in
this doing state in our lives.
And when we have a moment oftransition, it really forces us
to take a pause and kind of facethe fear of not knowing what's
going to happen next, like whatdo we do next?
(11:14):
And I just love that.
Arlene's story is reallyinspired by the Chinese word
curiosity, which is hao qi xin,and it actually includes a word
that means strange and wonderfulat the same time.
(11:38):
So it's like how do we embracecuriosity as this potentially
surprising and delightfulmedicine for facing our fears?
Like that sounds kind of fun,doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And I think part of these conversations is just
remembering that we look at theworld through a particular lens,
and so we're invited to reflecton well, what lens am I wearing
right now, and is this the lensthat is serving me right?
Is this the lens that ishealing?
Is this the lens that is giving, is this the lens that is
(12:14):
compassionate?
Is this the lens that isenabling me to live my highest
and best life?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, and it's so fun to revisit that season one
where we really unpack a lot ofthe fun.
To revisit that season onewhere we really unpack a lot of
the medicine of the plant andthen also the etymology of the
words.
And this is just bringing meback to the importance of
remembering and revisitingthings right.
It's not like a waste of timeto do that.
(12:41):
We can get more from thatpractice.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What I also now have to say that, like having
collaborated with Arlene on thepodcast and in our Empathy and
Democracy series, where wecreated the pop up art exhibits,
I've seen her, you know, likedive in.
I've seen her sort of retractand, it is true, curiosity is
(13:07):
always what brings her back.
So, even when she's like, whyare we doing this, why is this
happening, curiosity issomething that she truly lives,
and it's not because she'salways curious or always open.
It's really because sometimesshe's like, why are we doing
this?
And she finds this invitation,through curiosity, to come back
(13:31):
and to sort of examine what maybe difficult or may be uncertain
as to why something ishappening.
And so it's just been beautifulto see her art, to see the
conversations, to see her inpractice and all of these things
are very much alive see her inpractice and all of these things
are very much alive.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, we hope you enjoy hearing that little
excerpt from season one fromArlene.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Here is the story of the curiosity card featuring the
dog tooth violet.
My husband has been studyingChinese for many years now, and
back when I made this drawing,he told me a story about the
meaning of curiosity in Chinese,based on the characters that
make up the word how, qi, xin,where.
(14:16):
How translates to good, qitranslates to strange and
wonderful, and xin translates toheart.
This definition and Shintranslates to heart this
definition.
Good, strange and wonderfulheart delighted me in so many
(14:38):
ways, especially that the secondcharacter translates to strange
and wonderful.
I am naturally curious like acat and have always felt that
curiosity is a foundationalattribute needed to live a
heart-based life.
It has taken me my entirelifetime to fully embrace my own
strange and wonderful heart.
And isn't this plant a bitstrange and wonderful too?
(15:00):
This was the other plant in thecard deck that was inspired by
photos from a friend's gardenoutside of Tokyo.
I think of curiosity as apowerful practice, in part
because I have grown to see itas an antidote to fear, which is
what inspired the prompt forthis card, which I'll read right
here Try being curious aboutsomething that feels
(15:23):
uncomfortable to you.
How can curiosity shed a lightof understanding on something
you fear.
It's amazing how you cansometimes neutralize a visceral
feeling of fear using curiosity,and conquering fears in small
steps feels almost like thesecret to breaking the spell
(15:46):
that prevents us from living thelife we truly hope to live.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So for those of you that are inspired by Arlene's
story and want to just keep thisthread of curiosity alive in
your life, we invite you to getthe Garden of Curiosity, note
cards or the candle to justremember that curiosity can be
fun.
You can play with this idea offear.
So, yeah, just go to ourgratitude blooming shop for my
(16:16):
bathroom, and it's just such anincredible way to reset at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I light it at the end of the day and that just sort
of moment of just sort of takinga pause, breathing in, just
being curious and open, even nomatter what happened in my day,
no matter if it was difficult ornot, it's just been very
beautiful.
So we really invite you to justtake advantage of all the
(16:53):
different tools the music, thecards, the reflections, now
including a candle Wishing youwell.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Cheers.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Cheers, cheers.
Hello Belinda, hey Omar.
So in this mashup series ofCuriosity we are revisiting the
conversation that we had withthe Democracy Center director,
that's a mouthful, jim Herr, aswell as some of the initial
reflections from the artistArlene Kim Suda in season one
(00:30):
and with Jim, you know it's beenthis amazing ongoing
collaboration with our Empathyand Democracy series, but it's
also really, I feel like, beenthis evolution of Jim himself,
right From when he shared beinga Hapa kid in Pennsylvania and
being told he couldn't run forpresident because of the color
(00:54):
of his skin and questioningwhether or not he was actually
an American, to now, obviously,as the head of the Democracy
Center and holding theseconversations.
But then through his own journey, you know he has an elderly
parent now and he's been sort ofin a new phase of transition in
(01:16):
his life, and so it's beenpowerful to really see him hold
space and be held by space.
Right and I think that's really, you know, why we do these
things is to recognize thatwe're not alone, right, that we
are part of families andcultures that we both create
(01:36):
space for, and then, when theywork, we are then also taken
care of as well.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, I hope you enjoy this excerpt from our
interview with Jim.
This is what inspired us toco-create in so many different,
unexpected ways, and I just lovehow following this energy of
curiosity can lead to so manybeautiful things in our lives,
and this is just one reallytangible example of that.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I didn't grow up in Philadelphia, which probably
would have I don't know if thatwould have been better or worse.
I grew up outside in what was avery rural area when I was a
little kid and became very muchlike suburban sprawl.
At the time I graduated highschool, but I was still.
My mother and I were like theonly people of color.
About 10 years in she ended upworking for a Filipino doctor
(02:33):
and so there was another, andthey were a mixed family as well
, but there weren't a lot of,there wasn't a lot of color, and
so you know that experiencereally defined, I think, who I
am today and why I do the workthat I do today.
Because I was made to feeldifferent, feel, you know, not a
part of the rest of whatAmerica was.
(02:57):
I was literally told I was anAmerican because I wasn't white,
and I didn't believe it atfirst, but I think over time it
just kind of reinforced itself.
And I've been talking a lotrecently particularly with my
job now about I really wanted tobe president.
When I was a kid, I was thatweird kid in class who knew all
(03:21):
the presidents, knew all thestates, knew the Constitution.
Just yeah, weird little wholike knew all the presidents,
knew all the states knew, likethe constitution.
And like just yeah, weirdlittle kid with big dreams who,
you know, was brought back downto earth when I was told I
couldn't be president because Iwasn't American, and I said
that's, but I was born here.
Like yeah, but you're notreally American.
(03:41):
And what do you mean?
Well, you're not white.
And these were my friends thatwere telling me this and I feel
like they weren't being mean orcondescending or even racist.
They were just we were lookingat the world around us in, you
know, 1970, whatever, you know,everybody at the highest levels
(04:03):
of government was a white man,and so I think they were just
trying to look out for me, likeyou don't want to go down that
road because it's going to gonowhere for you.
And I didn't have enough of thesupport of a community around
me to understand that thatwasn't true, and so eventually I
(04:25):
began to believe it, and youknow all of those kinds of even
just the idea of public servicejust seemed like it wasn't
something that would beavailable for me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So heartbreaking, just as another Hapa kid.
And you know feeling like Ialways had to check the other
box, like you don't even fitinto any of these categories,
you just pick other.
And you know I even think aboutmy daughters.
You know they're quarterChinese, quarter Indonesian,
(04:58):
quarter black, quarter white,and you know they're each going
through their own culturalidentity and there's just so
much pressure and it's bothhighly visible, like his friend
telling him like hey, you're notthis, but it's also, I think,
even more, it's like a pervasivepressure thing that's just in
the air and you know it's.
(05:21):
It's a constant conversationwith my daughters, you know one
is slightly darker than theother, is a little lighter, and
just how they move through theworld is very different, because
one is sort of viewed by myyoungest, slightly darker went
to the black student uh groupand they're like, oh, you're
(05:42):
black.
And they're like wait, doesthat mean your sister's black
too?
And they're like, yep, that'sthe same mom, same father, you
know.
And so it's just we've come along way, you know from.
You know who is in office andwho gets to sort of reflect what
democracy looks like, but it'sstill.
We have so much more to go.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I could relate so much to his story.
I mean, five years old, landingin rural Pennsylvania was me
too.
And man, that's a reality checkwhen you are pulled out of
everything you know and areconfronted with being different,
and how do you still continueto embrace your, your
differentness?
You know, I in the conversation, omar, we were joking because I
(06:26):
just said, you know, I need, Ihave learned now in my 40s to
embrace that I'm anon-conventional Asian.
You know, I'm just not.
I just my parents have given up.
They're like, okay, she's nevergoing to do things in our
timeline that we expect and wejust have to let it go.
And and I and I and I was reallyfeeling his compassion towards
(06:49):
his friends because that youknow, at that age you either
have to kind of blend in andjust do what everyone else is
doing to fit in and not getbullied, which I think that's
what I ended up doing to survivesocially.
But he also had a lot ofcompassion for them.
We were looking around andthat's what the world looked
(07:09):
like.
It wasn't to be mean to me, itwas because this is what they
saw and this is what theythought the world was.
So I really felt that love inhim too, in sharing the pain of
that story.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That is why it's just so important.
Sometimes dreaming can feellike too woo-woo and like, oh,
we have big dreams.
But we really do have tosometimes dream beyond the
current realities, particularlyif we don't feel like we're
included in them.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know, particularly if we don't of that
we're not as wonderful as wethink we are or that we're not
as good as we think we are thatsomebody will find out that we
are imposters or that we'll findout that we're an imposter.
But I also think it's.
We're afraid that we might findthat we're greater than we ever
(08:22):
thought we are and that therecomes a responsibility with that
.
Not to be too Spider-Man, butwith great power comes great
responsibility, and I think weall have a wide open universe
and possibility if we look atourselves and really see
(08:45):
ourselves for the potential thatwe have.
I think that's something thatcan be, very, very scary to be
able to think that we have thatlight within us that can shine
on other people and help otherpeople.
I think it's very scary.
I think it's probably morescary than finding out that
(09:06):
you're not who you think you are.
But that all begins withcuriosity.
It all begins with wanting todig deeper, to understand, to
uncover.
We were just talking aboutmining earlier, like how do you
mine yourself?
How do you mine the gold that'sinside of you?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I was really struck by how he reframed this whole
thing about curiosity.
You know, like wow, I mean,maybe you're even more
extraordinary and luminous thanyou ever thought you were.
And if you didn't havecuriosity you would never
uncover that gold that's withinyou.
That was a total surprise turnin that conversation.
(09:47):
And it starts with thatrelationship.
You know, like that plantlooking down on itself, its own
body, its own leaves why do Ishy away from that?
What is it that makes it hardto look that deep?
And I think you pinpoint it.
It is a really primal fear tolook too closely.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And what do you remember from the first season,
around the conversation withArlene and sort of curiosity,
because I feel like there waslike a deep connection also with
fear.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, and I had a very interesting synchronicity that
happened recently where thiscard showed up in another group
circle that I held in MountShasta and before we pick this
card, so many people weresharing around the discomfort of
being in the unknown, of beingin a life transition either it's
(10:54):
professional or personal or abit of both and just like not
knowing how to be in that right,like we're so used to being in
this doing state in our lives.
And when we have a moment oftransition, it really forces us
to take a pause and kind of facethe fear of not knowing what's
going to happen next, like whatdo we do next?
(11:14):
And I just love that.
Arlene's story is reallyinspired by the Chinese word
curiosity, which is hao qi xin,and it actually includes a word
that means strange and wonderfulat the same time.
(11:38):
So it's like how do we embracecuriosity as this potentially
surprising and delightfulmedicine for facing our fears?
Like that sounds kind of fun,doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And I think part of these conversations is just
remembering that we look at theworld through a particular lens,
and so we're invited to reflecton well, what lens am I wearing
right now, and is this the lensthat is serving me right?
Is this the lens that ishealing?
Is this the lens that is giving, is this the lens that is
(12:14):
compassionate?
Is this the lens that isenabling me to live my highest
and best life?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, and it's so fun to revisit that season one
where we really unpack a lot ofthe fun.
To revisit that season onewhere we really unpack a lot of
the medicine of the plant andthen also the etymology of the
words.
And this is just bringing meback to the importance of
remembering and revisitingthings right.
It's not like a waste of timeto do that.
(12:41):
We can get more from thatpractice.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What I also now have to say that, like having
collaborated with Arlene on thepodcast and in our Empathy and
Democracy series, where wecreated the pop up art exhibits,
I've seen her, you know, likedive in.
I've seen her sort of retractand, it is true, curiosity is
(13:07):
always what brings her back.
So, even when she's like, whyare we doing this, why is this
happening, curiosity issomething that she truly lives,
and it's not because she'salways curious or always open.
It's really because sometimesshe's like, why are we doing
this?
And she finds this invitation,through curiosity, to come back
(13:31):
and to sort of examine what maybe difficult or may be uncertain
as to why something ishappening.
And so it's just been beautifulto see her art, to see the
conversations, to see her inpractice and all of these things
are very much alive see her inpractice and all of these things
are very much alive.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, we hope you enjoy hearing that little
excerpt from season one fromArlene.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Here is the story of the curiosity card featuring the
dog tooth violet.
My husband has been studyingChinese for many years now, and
back when I made this drawing,he told me a story about the
meaning of curiosity in Chinese,based on the characters that
make up the word how, qi, xin,where.
(14:16):
How translates to good, qitranslates to strange and
wonderful, and xin translates toheart.
This definition and Shintranslates to heart this
definition.
Good, strange and wonderfulheart delighted me in so many
(14:38):
ways, especially that the secondcharacter translates to strange
and wonderful.
I am naturally curious like acat and have always felt that
curiosity is a foundationalattribute needed to live a
heart-based life.
It has taken me my entirelifetime to fully embrace my own
strange and wonderful heart.
And isn't this plant a bitstrange and wonderful too?
(15:00):
This was the other plant in thecard deck that was inspired by
photos from a friend's gardenoutside of Tokyo.
I think of curiosity as apowerful practice, in part
because I have grown to see itas an antidote to fear, which is
what inspired the prompt forthis card, which I'll read right
here Try being curious aboutsomething that feels
(15:23):
uncomfortable to you.
How can curiosity shed a lightof understanding on something
you fear.
It's amazing how you cansometimes neutralize a visceral
feeling of fear using curiosity,and conquering fears in small
steps feels almost like thesecret to breaking the spell
(15:46):
that prevents us from living thelife we truly hope to live.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So for those of you that are inspired by Arlene's
story and want to just keep thisthread of curiosity alive in
your life, we invite you to getthe Garden of Curiosity, note
cards or the candle to justremember that curiosity can be
fun.
You can play with this idea offear.
So, yeah, just go to ourgratitude blooming shop for my
(16:16):
bathroom, and it's just such anincredible way to reset at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I light it at the end of the day and that just sort
of moment of just sort of takinga pause, breathing in, just
being curious and open, even nomatter what happened in my day,
no matter if it was difficult ornot, it's just been very
beautiful.
So we really invite you to justtake advantage of all the
(16:53):
different tools the music, thecards, the reflections, now
including a candle Wishing youwell.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Cheers.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Cheers, cheers.
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