November 3, 2025 • 58 mins
In this deeply honest, heart-opening and hope-filled conversation, Dr Nat welcomes Denice Buryn—Wholistic Practitioner, Massage Therapist, and Energy Healer—to explore what it really takes to move from trauma to post-traumatic growth. Denice shares her raw, unfiltered, courageous journey from early heartbreak, abuse, addiction, single motherhood without support, anxiety and health collapse and the courageous pivot that began with daily meditation, energy clearing, and radical self-honor and led to a grounded, purpose-led life of post-traumatic growth. Denice explains how feeling disconnected from the woman in the mirror became the catalyst to remember her innate worth, set loving boundaries, and rebuild from the inside out.
You’ll hear how a series of small, consistent practices created profound change: daily meditation (including approachable, non-traditional forms), energy clearing, whole-food nourishment, hydration, and genuine rest. Denice walks us through mirror work and compassionate self-talk, the moment she could finally say “I love you” to herself, and the practical art of spotting energetic drains in relationships and workplaces. We explore why boundaries are self-honor, how to listen to your body’s alarms, and what it means to become an energetic match for the life you’re calling in.
We also touch on brain–heart coherence, the “gift in the trauma,” and an aligned approach to manifestation—including the beautiful story of calling in her now-husband after a sacred ceremony and months of inner devotion. Throughout, Denice offers grounded wisdom for women who feel lost, overwhelmed, or unworthy: start with one practice, put yourself first without apology, and let love—without conditions—do its quiet, steady work.
If you’ve ever thought, “I don’t even know what would make me happy,” this episode is your reminder: you are powerful, worthy, and capable of thriving after trauma.
Links & Resources
- Join Women’s Journey to Happiness (FREE, Nov 3–16): series.deniceburyn.com.
- Connect with Denice on Instagram: @happyhandswholistichealing
- Connect with Denice on Facebook: @happyhandshealing
- FREE Energy Clearing Gift (here)
- Work with Dr Nat / take the Archetype Quiz: (here)
Content note: This episode references abuse, sexual assault, addiction, and grief. Please listen with care.
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Dr Nat Green (00:01):
Welcome to the Growing Tall Poppies Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Nat Green, and I'm so excited tohave you join me as we discuss
what it means to navigate yourway through post-traumatic
growth and not just survive, butto thrive after trauma.
(00:23):
Through our podcast, we willexplore ways for you to create a
life filled with greaterpurpose, self-awareness, and a
deep inner peace.
Through integrating the manyyears of knowledge and
professional experience, as wellas the wisdom of those who have
experienced trauma firsthand.
(00:44):
We'll combine psychologyaccelerated approaches.
Coaching and personal experienceto assist you, to learn, to grow
and to thrive.
I hope to empower you to createdeeper awareness and
understanding and strongerconnections with yourself and
with others, whilst also pavingthe way for those who have
(01:08):
experienced trauma and adversityto reduce their suffering and
become the very best versions ofthemselves.
In order to thrive.
Thank you so much for joining meon today's episode.
Welcome back.
I'm really excited and gratefultoday to bring you our next
(01:29):
guest on the Growing TallPoppies podcast.
It's my absolute pleasure andprivilege to welcome the most
beautiful lady who I metrecently through an event she is
hosting called Women's Journeyto Happiness.
And today we get to find out abit more about the amazing woman
behind the interview series andhear.
(01:50):
What has led her to this point.
So let me start by introducingDenice to you all.
Denice Buryn has been.
Holistic practitioner, massagetherapist, and energy healer for
the last decade, helping womento reconnect to their mind,
body, soul, and spirit, so thatthey can live a happy, healthy,
(02:12):
more vibrant life.
She believes that the mind,body, soul, spirit connection is
the key to and the fourcornerstones for complete health
and happiness, and her soul'smission is all about love.
Connection and empowerment.
So welcome, Denice.
It's so great to have you here.
Denice Buryn (02:32):
Thank you so much, my dear.
It's so good to chat with youagain.
Dr Nat Green (02:37):
Twice in two days is very exciting, right?
So I thought we might just getstarted with you, giving us a
brief introduction of who youare and what you do in the
world.
Denice Buryn (02:52):
Sure.
Absolutely, I'd love to.
So right now I am absolutelypassionate about helping women
understand their purpose in lifebecause I have found that so
many women feel disconnected.
They feel like they don'trecognize the woman in the
mirror.
Maybe they don't evenparticularly like the woman they
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see in the mirror.
And you know, for a lot ofwomen, they've really forgotten.
How powerful they are, right?
There's that, these abilitiesthat we naturally have, um, that
have just been forgotten and.
It lends into a little bit of anenergy of feeling lost, of
overwhelmed of stress and just,you know, riding the shirt tails
(03:38):
of, of life without actuallyreally feeling like you're in
control.
So my passion right now isreally bringing women back to
that mind body, soul connection,really tapping into their
spirit, their purpose in life,helping them understand that
they are beautiful souls andthat they have a reason for
existing.
Right.
Even if it's just to beexisting, to just go through
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their life and just have theirexperiences.
Not everybody has this grandplan for their life or, you
know, maybe a laid out plan of,big monumental changes that
they're gonna make.
Some, some souls are just hereto experience, to learn and to
love.
And so my mission is reallyabout just reminding women how
beautiful they are, how powerfulthey are, and giving them that.
(04:23):
Remembrance back to how trulybeautiful they are and how
powerful they are.
Dr Nat Green (04:30):
Oh, I love that so much, Denice.
And you just articulate it sobeautifully and I'm just all as
you.
Talked about that.
I just feel this calm energyemanating from you.
And honestly, I know that somany of our listeners will
relate to this because as youknow, all the guests that I have
on have been through significantadversity or trauma, and they're
(04:54):
so generous in sharing theirstory.
But we know that everyone who'son here.
Their story has led them towhere they are today, so,
Denice Buryn (05:06):
absolutely.
Dr Nat Green (05:07):
Yeah.
So as you said, I can only,sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, as you said, it doesn'tmean that you have to have this
awful thing or this great bigpurpose.
It can just be to live your bestlife.
Yeah.
And really connect withyourself, because that is such
an important gift to be able todo that.
Denice Buryn (05:30):
Yes.
A gift that many take forgranted.
Yes.
Right.
They get so caught up in thedoing the, being the, you know,
comparison, that they stopgiving themselves permission to
just be real, to be honest, andto just to follow their heart in
what makes them happy.
And for, you know, many of theclients I've worked with
(05:52):
recently, when I ask them, whatdoes your dream life look like?
If, if I could wave a magic wandand poof, here's your dream
life.
They don't even know.
They have no idea because theyhaven't taken the time, because
they don't feel worthy of it.
They don't feel like theydeserve it.
They don't think that they'vetried hard enough or that it's
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meant to be for them.
And I counter all of that.
I argue with all of that becauseI'm like, yeah, absolutely
you're worthy and it doesn'tmatter.
Where you've been, what you'vedone, what you lived through,
what's happened to you, theexperiences you have, all of
that's in the past.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And, and the past.
(06:36):
Yes.
It teaches us, um, it shapes us.
It molds us in a certain way,but that doesn't mean that you
don't get the opportunity toremold, reshape, and relearn
anything that you want for yourfuture.
And so.
Part of the reason I, I puttogether this series on, the,
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the Women's Journey to Happinessis because with working through
my clients, you know, they werelike, I don't know what would
make me happy and part, so I waslike, split in half where I was
like, okay, half of meunderstands that because 20
years ago, that version of medidn't know what happiness was
either.
And I didn't have a purpose andI didn't have self-worth.
(07:19):
I didn't have self-love.
I didn't value myself.
I didn't even, I was justliterally trying to scrape by
and raise a child on my ownwithout like killing her.
You know what I mean?
Like I was, I was responsiblefor this life to keep it alive,
and I had no idea what I wasdoing.
And then there's the other halfof me that right now, in this
current moment is so epicallyhappy that I'm like, how can you
(07:43):
not know?
How can you not know what makesyou happy?
So there's, this split side inme.
And so that's why I love,, thisconversation and talking about
our experiences, our trauma,those things that have happened
in our past.
Because it doesn't define whoyou need to be for the rest of
your life, it might, hmm.
(08:08):
It might put a label, and I hatelabels, but it might put a
right, it might put a label on aperiod of your life.
Mm-hmm.
When you're going through thehard time or the, you knows,
SHIT, it might put a label onthat time, but labels can be
ripped off and labels can beremoved just like anything else
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in life can be broken down andrecreated.
So can our lives and we don'tneed to be stuck in the
experiences that we had or thinkthat those experiences will keep
us in a certain place that wedon't deserve or that we're not
(08:53):
worthy of reaching for thathappiness.
So, yeah.
I love this work.
Dr Nat Green (09:00):
I can see that and you know, I can see your whole
soul and your aura.
Everything lights up as you talkabout it.
And I know that our listenershave pretty much been through
some sort of adversity ortrauma.
And let's be honest, most peoplein the world have experienced
something.
Yeah.
They don't always acknowledgethat.
(09:22):
Mm-hmm.
And.
The comparisonitis that youmentioned often comes in and
there's that, uh, but what Iwent through was nothing
compared to this or compared tothat.
Right.
And it's so important that weacknowledge that anything that
has created challenges ordifficulties or distress for us
(09:46):
is important to be aware of, toacknowledge and to.
Sit with and work out a waythrough it.
So our listeners, I'm sure willfind this conversation very,
very valuable as you share this.
So, as you know, the people thatlisten to the podcast have
usually been through some sortof significant trauma, and I
(10:09):
know you shared a bit with meyesterday that you'd done that.
So I'd love for you to sharewhatever you feel comfortable
with about what's happened foryou and the backstory of Denice.
Denice Buryn (10:20):
For sure.
I am comfortable with it allbecause as we mentioned, uh,
when we were chatting yesterday,you know, I think it's important
that we give a voice to thoseexperiences we've had to those
traumas.
I think it's important that weunmask.
Um, these conversations thathave been so hush hush for so
(10:41):
long, right?
Many, many, many, many womenhave been told not to talk about
things, not to bring it up, thatit's private family business.
You don't, you know, air yourlaundry out with other people,
and it's created this perpetualcycle of people not feeling
comfortable or safe enough totalk about their struggles.
To talk about their, theirtrauma, to talk about their
(11:04):
experiences.
So, I know we only have a shorttime, so I won't go into
everything in detail, but justso that your listeners can have
a brief overview mm-hmm.
Of where I've come from.
And so, you know, keep in mindthe work I'm doing now, the,
what we've already talked about,where I'm at right now, the
happiest in my life that I'veever been.
(11:24):
So keep that in mind as we talkabout.
My journey here, my journey tohappiness.
So started out, um, we'll skipto like teenage years, right?
Uh, first broken heart.
Broken heart so bad.
But that broken heart wasactually really devastating for
me, um, as it is for most whenyou get your first broken heart.
(11:47):
And I ended up with a really.
Really bad case of depression.
Um, back in the mid nineties, itwasn't really talked about, you
know, you'd go to your doctor,they tried to give you pills.
I think I took those pills maybefor two weeks, but mm-hmm.
It didn't resonate with me.
I didn't feel like I was broken.
I just, I was hurting.
I was so hurting and I didn't, Apill didn't seem like, you know,
(12:09):
the magic fix.
But what happened after that,unfortunately, was that I met.
Another boy, who was excitingand adventurous and I was like,
oh yeah, this is the perfectway.
I'm gonna get over this brokenheart.
So I got involved in arelationship that was very,
very, very, very toxic.
Mm-hmm.
Um, at that time, again, I'mstill trying to heal from, you
(12:32):
know, this first teenage,breakup.
And so I was not strong in who Iwas.
I wasn't strong in boundaries.
I didn't understand anythingabout my worth or my value.
I was feeling very, very, verylow.
And through this relationship Iended up experiencing.
Mental abuse, emotional abuse,physical abuse.
(12:54):
Okay.
It was a really tumultuous timeof about two, maybe three years
of just up and down, up anddown.
Really, really struggling to.
Understand how someone can say,you know, I love you, and then
hurt you so deeply at the sametime.
Hmm.
It was a really, really, really,really difficult, and when I
finally was able to detachmyself from that, I felt even
(13:17):
more lost and broken than I hadbefore, which led me down a very
dark corridor into, uh, I guessa party scene, we'll call it.
Mm-hmm.
Started going to parties.
And I got into drugs.
I got into hard drugs, cocaine,um, crack meth, like really
(13:38):
hard, icky things.
Um, and this was my way of justtrying to remove myself from
this experience that I washaving, right?
This, this pain, this, thisreally, uh.
This time of not understandingwho I was, what was important to
me, or what my purpose even herewas, right?
(13:59):
I just, I knew nothing.
I just knew that it was mucheasier just to numb it than to
work through anything or evenrecognize that I was hurting,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Um, and then I had two reallyclose people to me.
Pass away within three monthsand I hit grief really, really,
(14:19):
really hard.
One was, my childhood bestfriend and she actually passed
away a week before her wedding,and that really sent me into a
spiral.
Of even, even darker, evendeeper, than I had been before.
And I just leaned on all thethings that could numb me, block
me.
I didn't wanna feel, I didn'tunderstand, you know, I was
(14:41):
questioning everything.
I had been brought up learning'cause I was brought up in the
church.
And so there, for anybody who'sgrown up in the church mm-hmm.
Um, you understand that there'sa certain set of, um.
Beliefs, I guess, that you arebrought up believing.
Mm-hmm.
And in my mind, this, this bestfriend of mine that I grew up
with, she was probably the mostkindest, most beautiful soul
(15:05):
that had in my mind, ever walkedthe earth.
And from the time we were kids,all she ever wanted to do was
get married and be a mom.
That was her whole goal in life,and here she was a week before
her wedding snatched away and Icouldn't make sense of it.
I couldn't make sense how this.
Beautiful soul who had donenothing but served God her whole
(15:26):
life and was just a beautiful,beautiful person.
How the one thing she desiredmost in life could be ripped
away from her a week before,when she, her, her wedding day
basically.
And so I began to question,nothing made sense to me
anymore.
Nothing that I grew up with.
None of, none of nothing madesense.
I had no foundation, no support,no anything, and.
(15:49):
You know, when you're in thatplace where nothing makes sense,
where you are in pain, you arein struggle and you don't know
what to do, the easiest thingyou can do is mask it.
But that comes with its owncomplications and its own
issues.
You know, it's, it was a reallyhard, dark place there.
(16:11):
Yeah.
Um, from there I continued kindof in the party scene and
unfortunately that led me intomore, physical relationships
with, men.
And I unfortunately experienceda couple episodes of rape.
Okay.
And I experienced a couple timeswhere, you know, my body was
just used and abused.
(16:32):
I had a very, very, very low,I'm gonna say I had no
self-esteem.
I won't even say it was low'cause it just, it just didn't
exist.
I just had such a hard timeputting any value to myself and
just being used and broken overand over left me in this really,
really hard place.
(16:53):
And so finally my earlytwenties, I decided, you know
what?
I'm either gonna, oh, what Iforgot to mention was that I
ended up having, um, a coupleoverdoses, drug overdoses.
Okay.
Where really there's, there's noreason I should be alive right
now with what I went through.
Wow.
Um, and when I kind of came outof that a little bit, it was
(17:13):
like, I, I need to make a hugeshift in my life.
'cause I'm either gonna end upin jail or I'm gonna end up
dead.
Mm-hmm.
And is that what I want for mylife?
I don't know, but I.
I don't think so.
So I ended up moving away frommy hometown to get clean, to
start over, fresh start, right?
The idea of this fresh startalways sounds so good, and so I
(17:36):
thought, you know what?
This is my time.
I gotta do it.
So with 46 cents in my pocket,
Dr Nat Green (17:42):
oh my goodness.
I got on a
Denice Buryn (17:43):
bus and with one bag, and I moved down to
Vancouver Island.
Mm-hmm.
And worked on getting myselfclean, getting out of the drug
scene.
Of course, I met a boy.
Oh, of course.
Right?
Right.
Six months later I found out I'mpregnant.
(18:05):
Okay.
And I.
I was in such shock because thatwas actually the day that I had
decided I was gonna break upwith my boyfriend at that time
because he was also veryemotionally manipulative.
Um, it wasn't really a healthyrelationship.
And, and I had been reflecting,you know, the whole month prior
thinking, you know, is I'm, thisis my start over.
(18:26):
Is this really the kind of guy.
I wanna have in my life.
It's not, so I was actuallyintending to break up with him
that day after my doctor'sappointment.
And then I find out, oh my God,I'm pregnant, what now?
So I chose to stick it outthinking, you know, maybe.
This new responsibility wouldhelp both of us grow up.
(18:49):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Uh, it didn't work out that way.
Um, and I, I ended up leavinghim for good.
I think when my daughter wasjust over a year old.
I did try and stick it out.
We tried all the things, but itjust, it wasn't gonna work.
So I, now, I'm, you know, on myown in a town where I know
really nobody except for thepeople that I work with, no
family or relatives or anything.
(19:10):
And, uh, raising a kid on myown.
And you wanna talk about trauma?
Mm.
I feel like anybody who's everraised a child on their own
deserves a F'ing medal man,because it is one of the, if not
hardest jobs on the planet tojuggle all the things you wear,
(19:32):
all the hats, and especiallywhen you have no support doing
it.
Um.
It's a very, very tough goal.
Yes.
Especially with
Dr Nat Green (19:40):
no support system, as you said.
Yeah.
So with a whole different area,completely different town.
But yeah, I noticed, you know,having the insight that despite
everything, all the experiences,you wanted more for yourself, so
you made those choices.
That's.
Amazing.
Yeah.
(20:01):
So keep going.
You know what, he was strugglingas a single mom.
Yep.
Denice Buryn (20:04):
Yeah.
What really started that littlebit of a flame inside me was
that I got a job.
It was like a professional job.
And I used say that with quotes,if you guys can't see my
fingers.
Um, I was selling insurance atthe time, so, um, before my mat
leave, I was working at seven 11as a cashier.
Woo-hoo.
(20:25):
Right?
Um, and then I went on my matleave.
I babysat for a couple years andthen I was like, okay, if I'm
gonna leave this guy, I needlike.
I need a real job.
I need a job that's gonnasupport me and my child.
So I ended up getting this job,selling insurance at a bank.
And so I had to get like thefancy clothes.
Yeah, the high heels.
I had to wear stockings, all thethings.
(20:46):
Right?
Yeah.
So it was like this upgrade ofstatus in my head.
Yeah.
Um, which also began to uplevela little bit of my expectations
of myself.
Okay.
Right.
And the people that I workedwith were so kind and they
laughed.
And they were nice.
Like these were all things thatfor the last, you know, 5, 6, 7
(21:08):
years hadn't really been a partof my life.
It was just a whole lot of dark,dark, dark, and people using
you, abusing you.
And now all of a sudden I'm inthis environment where people
were so nice.
Like I can, I can still rememberthat, that just, that people
were so nice and it made merealize there are still good
people out there.
Mm.
With all the things I've beenthrough, with all of the things
(21:30):
that have happened to me.
There are still really nicepeople out in the world, and it
began to raise my expectations.
Mm-hmm.
On, okay, well this is what Ineed to be, I need to be a good,
solid person.
Mm-hmm.
Then I had to move away,unfortunately, from that town,
(21:52):
from that area of Canada, justbecause it was really expensive.
It's kind of like a retirementarea, if you will.
So everything was really, reallyexpensive.
And as a single parent, I just,I couldn't afford to make it.
So I ended up moving out here toAlberta, um, at the invite of my
sister and my brother-in-law wholived here.
And again, it was the epic.
Start over, right?
(22:13):
I couldn't afford to live whereI was.
I just could not, not make endsmeet.
And so here I was five-year-oldchild and I'm about to start all
over again.
So I did packed up the movingvan, drove here all by myself,
got a job, was living with mysister.
And then I ended up having alittle bit of a disagreement
with my brother-in-law becausehe was trying to tell me how to
(22:36):
live my life.
And I was like, it's my life.
Thank you very much.
And so we just started to buttheads.
So I moved out.
Again, kind of on my own allover again, and I got a job
working for a farmer, which wassomething I knew nothing about.
I had no experience at all withfarming, but it was a job and I
didn't care.
I was gonna do anything,anything to put food on the
(22:58):
table, and I began to healthrough that job.
Dr Nat Green (23:04):
Okay.
Denice Buryn (23:04):
Because this farmer was a grain and cattle
farmer, but mostly on the grain.
I got to be outside every day,so I'm in the sunshine.
I'm getting fresh oxygen.
I'm getting movement in my body.
Yeah.
And I was so in touch with theland.
Mm.
And I know that might soundbizarre to say, but I can
(23:26):
honestly say that nature startedto heal me without me even
knowing it was happening.
Mm.
And it was such a fantastic jobfor most of the part, the work I
loved.
I loved working hard.
I loved getting out and gettingmy hands dirty, doing all the
things I can drive anythingwith, you know, I have my class
one, I can, I can haul anything.
(23:46):
I can drive anything, but myboss was a little bit of an
asshole.
Mm.
Uh, he was a very, very, verytoxic person for me.
We fought a lot, especially ifthere was alcohol involved.
Um, you know, on the farmsometimes, no, after the end of
a big day you have a drink ortwo or whatever, and we would
(24:07):
end up fighting and then I wouldcome to work the next day and
he'd still be angry about whatwe were fighting about the day
before, kind of holding it overmy head and it just became kind
of like a whatever.
But then, um, it got worse.
And it got worse.
And it got worse.
And it was usually if I happento break something, like, I
don't know, like when you workaround machinery, you know that
(24:28):
shit's gonna break.
You gotta, you gotta understandthat about machinery.
However, you know, sometimes youalso just do stupid things as
humans.
Sometimes you just make amistake.
And so on the days, if I wouldbreak something or do something
wrong, he would get really,upset with me and, and kinda
(24:49):
hold it over my head for acouple days and it just, it
didn't feel good.
It didn't feel, like a happy,thriving environment.
I guess.
I loved the job.
I just, the relationship betweenme and, and my boss wasn't good.
However, I felt like I neededthis job because it was the most
money I had ever made, and itwas the only reason that I was
(25:11):
surviving here on my own.
Yeah.
And so I started drinking.
Mm-hmm.
I started drinking to numb myreception to his anger.
Mm-hmm.
To his displeasure, whatever youwanna call it.
And I started drinking a lot.
(25:33):
Mm-hmm.
Because if I was numb.
Then I didn't feel mm-hmm.
The anger and the disappointmentor whatever.
Right.
It was just easier if I wasdrinking a little bit, and this
was really before I understoodanything about energy.
Knowing what I know now,obviously I had an issue with
boundaries.
Obviously I had an issue withclearing up energy of myself,
(25:55):
but I knew none of this at thetime.
So as much as nature was tryingto heal me.
I was sabotaging my own healthby partaking in in alcohol,
which led to a fairly seriousaddiction.
Mm-hmm.
Which also led into a generalanxiety disorder.
Okay.
So everything, as we know withtrauma, one thing piles on top
(26:19):
of another thing on top ofanother thing and on top of
another thing.
And when you do nothing aboutany of those layers, yeah.
It doesn't go anywhere.
Nope, it's still inside.
Dr Nat Green (26:30):
Stuck in there.
And it
Denice Buryn (26:31):
was like, it was perking and perking and perking
inside me, and I wasn'tlistening.
I wasn't listening to any of thecues in my body.
I didn't know anything aboutlistening to my body.
And then I had one pivotal nightwhere I drank too much and I got
pulled over and I lost mydriver's license.
(26:53):
Mm-hmm.
My jobs, I had two of them atthe time.
Were driving jobs.
Dr Nat Green (26:58):
Okay.
Denice Buryn (26:58):
I, my life, my livelihood depended on me being
able to drive and I've now justlost my driver's license.
Yeah.
And this one mistake totallyupended my life.
Mm-hmm.
At that time, in my mind, I sawno possible good out of this.
Dr Nat Green (27:20):
No, of course.
Denice Buryn (27:20):
Looking back now, that's the period of time when I
decided to go back to school.
And that was when I decided I'mgonna go for massage therapy.
Mm-hmm.
I was seeing a massage therapistand she said, you should go be a
holistic practitioner.
I think you have what it wouldtake.
This is a school I went to.
It was really fabulous.
You should look into this.
Mm-hmm.
So in this time off where Iwasn't able to actually go to
(27:42):
work, I decided to go back toschool, took out some student
loans, and I started learningabout the human body.
But I also started learningabout energy.
Dr Nat Green (27:51):
Yes.
Denice Buryn (27:52):
Game changer for me.
Hmm.
Absolutely.
When I started realizing howmuch energy of everybody else I
had taken on my whole life, ofall of the experiences, of all
of the traumas, of all of thehorrible things that I had been
through, that I had done, that Ihad said, all those versions of
(28:12):
me that had done all these wrongthings.
It was just energy and I washolding all of that inside my
body, and I woke up one morningand I actually got violently
Ill, like I, I vomited.
Before I was even able to getoutta bed.
(28:33):
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, what is that?
Like I, I was like, did I eatsomething bad?
Like, we all know what foodpoisoning is like, right.
Like, I was like, oh my God,what did I eat yesterday?
I feel so gross.
But I had to go to work.
So off to work, I go, and thisstarted to happen every day for
a couple weeks, as soon as myeyes would come awake.
And I'm like, okay, I'm wakingup.
(28:54):
I immediately had to throw up.
Mm-hmm.
And I started feeling like.
You know, on the inside, theinside I started feeling like my
body was shutting down.
Mm-hmm.
I wasn't able to keep food downafter like the noon dinner.
'cause on the farm we had like abig noon dinner.
Mm-hmm.
Um, usually I would eat dinnerand then I'd have to go outside
(29:16):
and I'd have to throw up again.
Like I wasn't able to keep anyfood down.
It was like my body wasliterally shutting down.
I had chronic diarrhea, I hadthis anxiety disorder that was
like out of control.
And I was like, I don't knowwhat's going on, but I need to
make some serious changes.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I feel dead on the inside.
I have no emotions, I have noconnection to anything.
(29:38):
I feel like I have no lifepurpose, and here I'm learning
about this energy, but I don'tfeel it.
Mm.
Like I don't, I, I couldn't makesense of anything.
And so I decided, well, I guesswe're gonna have to make some
changes.
So I quit drinking, I changed mydiet.
I started pounding back, youknow, four liters of water a
day.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and what really, really madethe difference for me is I
(30:02):
started meditating every day.
Okay.
This amazing meditation that I'dheard about for so many years,
knew nothing really about, but Istarted following this lady
online and she did it.
And I'm like, well, you knowwhat?
If she can do it, I can do it.
So I just followed along withwhat she said, and as I began to
meditate every day.
I began to invite inforgiveness.
(30:24):
I began to invite in compassion.
Mm-hmm.
And I began to invite in loveagain, which had been so absent
from my life for so many years.
And the most amazing beautifulthing happened is that I was
able to truly let go.
(30:46):
Of everything that had everhappened to me.
All the abuse, the physicalabuse, the mental abuse, the
rapes, right.
The, the child abuse when I wasyounger, all of it, all of it.
I just, I met it in an honestplace of love and I just was
like, I'm done.
I'm tired of carrying Yeah.
(31:06):
This weight with me, this burdenwith me.
Mm-hmm.
Like it, it's truly time just tolet this go.
Yeah, it happened to me.
Yeah, it was shitty.
But that doesn't mean that it, Ineed to carry it with me and
wear it like a badge or wear itlike, you know, an armor that's
gonna protect me from everexperiencing anything new.
I deserved to have a happy life,and these are the things I
(31:28):
started to tap into as I wasmeditating every day.
My soul just kind of came aliveand it started talking to me
about what it truly wanted inlife.
Yes.
And so.
That was really the pivotalpoint of when I started to shift
was I learned about energy.
I learned how to clear my energyevery day, how important it is
(31:49):
to clear your energy every day,especially if you are in a toxic
situation like work home.
Parents, friends, even sometimescan be very, very toxic for you,
and, and you'll know they'retoxic because you feel very
tired.
After associating with them,right?
You get on the phone with them,you go have a, a, um, you know,
tea or coffee with them, and youjust feel energetically drained
(32:12):
after, or you feel really,really heavy, right?
This, this is a sign that youare taking on other people's
energy.
So I learned how to clear myenergy every day.
I meditated every day.
I just started changingeverything that my intuition
told me to do.
I watched a lot of webinarsabout health and all the amazing
things the body does.
(32:33):
Plus I was now, you know, I'dgraduated from school by this
time, and so I was working withclients and I started to see
how, when we talked about theemotions that we store inside
the body, when we can actuallytruly just acknowledge them,
right?
Let them come into ourawareness, work with them, work
to start releasing them, andinviting in forgiveness and
(32:55):
love, the transformations theystarted having was.
Amazing.
Mm.
I was like, wow, if I can do it,anybody can do it.
Because if anybody has livedthrough anything like what I had
lived through, you know, it waspossible for anybody to, to
change their life.
So I know that was like a reallylong explanation for where I got
(33:18):
to where I am, but it'sfabulous.
You know, it's like, knows
Dr Nat Green (33:22):
Yeah.
That you can so openly sharethat and talk about it.
And just help other people knowthat no matter what you've been
through, you can come out theother side and it's worth
investing in yourself to do thatbecause look at you now,
Denice Buryn (33:41):
right?
Look at me now.
Dr Nat Green (33:43):
I know.
Denice Buryn (33:44):
Amazing.
You knows a gift.
We talked a little bit aboutthis yesterday.
It didn't happen overnight.
No, and it didn't happen by mejust sitting back and expecting
something amazing to happen tome.
I had to do the work.
Yeah, I put the time in.
Mm-hmm.
I spent many, many, many, manymonths, I won't say in solitude,
(34:07):
but when I began to trulyunderstand that the company you
keep plays a big part in theenergy that you have, I started
to really question who deservesmy time?
Dr Nat Green (34:22):
Beautiful question.
Denice Buryn (34:24):
Right.
Such, not everybody deservesyour time.
No.
Not everybody deserves somethingof you.
And we've been brought up inthis culture that says everybody
else comes first.
Mm-hmm.
And if there's time at the endof the day, then there's time
for you.
Well, there's never time at theend of the day.
And unless you make the time toput yourself first, to put
yourself a priority.
(34:46):
You end up at the bottom of thelist and everybody else gets
served and all that happens isthat you get depleted and you
get depleted and you getdepleted.
And I was at that like.
Depleted point for so, so longthat all of a sudden as I was
doing this inner work ofmeditation and energy clearing
every day and, you know, feedingmy body whole foods, you know, I
(35:10):
cut out the junk food and theprocessed food and like all the
crap, I caught it all out and Iwas drinking water and just
nurturing this beautiful vesselthat I had.
And I can honestly say.
At that time I would, I couldnot look, I mean, I couldn't do
mirror work.
I dunno if anybody, you know,listening knows what mirror work
is, but there's no way that Icould look myself in the face,
(35:34):
in the eyeballs and say, I loveyou.
I'm so proud of you.
Good work.
I couldn't do it.
And I can't remember who I waslistening to.
I dunno if it was Louise Hay orsomebody was talking about
mirror work, and I'm like, youknow.
I'm gonna give that a go, right?
I'm, I was open for tryinganything because anything had to
(35:55):
be better than where I had beenthat low, like rock bottom,
right?
So I can remember the first timeI, you know, go out into my
bathroom and I'm looking myselfin the eyeballs and I'm like, I,
and I just like burst outcrying.
Like I could not get the wordsout.
(36:16):
I love you.
I'm so proud of you.
I see you girl, like you havebeen through the hoops, but
you're still here.
You're still alive.
I had two drug overdoses.
There's really no reason Ishould be alive, but yet I'm
still here.
(36:36):
So what purpose is my life?
What?
What is the purpose of my life?
And it took me maybe a couplemonths.
Before I could really honestlylook myself in the eyes every
day and say, you are fantastic.
I love you so much, and you aregonna have a fabulous day.
And I meant it.
(36:57):
I actually truly meant it.
It wasn't just, you know, fakeit till you make it kind of
thing.
I really, really meant it.
And this, I was all aboutaffirmations, right?
Writing things on sticky notes.
And I had them all over myhouse.
I had my top 12 values all overmy house.
I had all of these littlereminders around my place.
And one quote, um, I think itwas a Wayne Dire, quote, mm-hmm.
(37:18):
Was Thank you universe for thisday, for my life, for my body,
for my loved ones, and for theopportunity to be of service.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
And when I heard him say that ona podcast or something,
something in me was like, Hmm,well that kind of covers
(37:39):
everything My day, you know, myloved ones, my, my body, my
life.
Like, yeah, that coverseverything.
So let's try that.
I'm gonna try that.
So I wrote it out and I had iton my bathroom mirror for about
four years.
Every time I went into mybathroom, I said it in the
morning, midday, nighttime.
It didn't matter if I was goinginto my bathroom.
I said that quote.
It took me much like the mirrorwork, it took me a little time
(38:01):
before I could truly feel thatgratitude.
But when I met it, when I trulybegan to reflect, like, look how
far I've come, my kid is stillalive.
Woo.
Yay.
Bonus.
I'm still alive.
Woo hoo.
Go me right.
(38:21):
You were winning.
I ruined.
I was totally winning for thefirst time because there had
been so much failure in my past.
Right?
And it just, it always seemedlike I was stuck in this
perpetual loop of failure,failure, failure.
I'd get up and then crash down.
I'd get up, and then I'd crashdown.
(38:42):
And for the first time I reallyjust felt like I was happy I was
alive.
I was so deeply connected.
I.
And that was kind of thebeginning of like my epic just
like rise up because it got evenbetter from there.
(39:04):
Um, I learned how to really tapinto my emotions.
Dr Nat Green (39:08):
Yeah,
Denice Buryn (39:09):
I learned how to, um.
Get my brain and heart.
I think Dr.
Dispenza calls it the brainheart coherence.
Mm-hmm.
I really started to understandthe importance of visualizing.
Yes.
But also feeling into whatyou're visualizing.
Right.
Tapping into the feeling ofthings, not just thinking about
(39:31):
it, visualizing it.
'cause I'm a very visual person.
That's one of my Claires.
Um, but.
Really feeling it.
So I went through thismanifestation course that my
friend was, was offering, and itwas fantastic.
But I did this little ceremony.
It was uh, december of 2020 whenwe, right when we were moving
into the age of Aquarius, thatDecember 21st was like this
really powerful portal day.
(39:52):
And I'm like, I'm gonna do thisspecial little sacred ceremony.
Uh, so I got out all mymedicines, I got my sage, my
sweet grass, my um, cedar, I gotsome tobacco.
I made this little, you know,sacred fire.
And I had written out a list, avery, very detailed list mm-hmm.
(40:12):
Of what my perfect partner.
Needed to be, if I was gonnagive up my single life that I
was so in love with all of asudden.
Yeah.
Um, I was just thriving in mysolitude and, and just in, you
know, in my little acreage thatI had.
It was magical.
It was, it was so good.
I was so happy if I was gonnagive that up, the person that I
(40:33):
met had to be pretty fantastic.
Yeah, definitely.
Like, fantastic.
So I wrote out this list.
It was a like double sided page.
Of course.
It was exactly what my perfectpartner had to be like down to
detail.
Mm-hmm.
Like I wanted him to have longenough hair that I could run my
fingers to.
I didn't, you know, there'snothing wrong with, with.
(40:55):
Thinning hair, but just for myperfect partner, I wanted him to
have hair that I could run myfingers through, right?
Just all the things.
Um, I didn't want to have toclean off, pee off the toilet
seat ever.
Like, you know, I got very, verydetailed to what exactly this
perfect partner had to be.
I went outside, it was dead ofwinter, or I guess the, the
(41:15):
start of winter, um, in Decemberhere.
I burnt my list and I just gaveit to source to the universe and
I said, this or somethingbetter.
If I'm meant to meet somebody,it has to be this guy that I've
just written this two pagesabout or something better, and I
burnt it and I let go.
I just trusted that if it wasmeant to happen, it would, it
(41:36):
would, it would happen.
I'd lived in Alberta already forseven years, didn't think I was
ever gonna find anybody thatactually, you know.
Came close to this list, but I'mlike, whatever miracles can
happen.
Mm-hmm.
And then this was during theworld shutdown years, as I call
it.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
We all know what those were.
Yeah.
(41:57):
And, uh, finances were tightbecause as a massage therapist,
my business had been shut down.
It wasn't allowed to work.
Dr Nat Green (42:03):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (42:03):
Single mom back on that, you know,
Dr Nat Green (42:06):
money,
Denice Buryn (42:07):
stress train.
Dr Nat Green (42:08):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (42:09):
And I decided to go work in the spring for, a
company that basically they haulfertilizer to the farmers around
here.
So I had a class one, I could dothe dangerous goods job, no
problem.
So I decided to take on this jobjust to get a little bit of
money coming in that spring.
And this was four months after Idid my sacred ceremony.
(42:29):
And I went to work that veryfirst day and there was a man
there who immediately caught myattention and we had to work
together all that day doingwhatever we were doing.
And by the end of the day I waslike, you know when, um, like
your temperature is just likesuper, super hot and you're just
(42:50):
like giggling, like you feellike a little school girl that's
just like, he, he, he like, itwas so bizarre.
It was so bizarre.
But I felt just this amazingsupernatural connection to this
guy.
Mm.
It was so crazy.
Um.
Three years later, we're nowmarried.
Dr Nat Green (43:10):
That's amazing, isn't it?
Denice Buryn (43:12):
It was truly phenomenal about when you let go
of the struggle.
Yeah.
And when you just put your trustin the universe that whatever
you desire, if you are anenergetic match for it, if you
are ready and you are prepared,watch out.
Mm-hmm.
It's coming.
Yes.
If you are an energetic matchfor what you are designing for
(43:33):
your life, it will happen foryou instantly.
And this is how quantum leapingcan work too, right?
Yes.
Jumping timelines is when youare an energetic match for what
you are creating for yourself.
And so when I reflect back onthe journey.
Right.
All the things that happenedfirst to me, that made me not so
happy.
(43:54):
And then the catalystic points,you know, the two really major
traumatic points of my life thatshifted my direction
exponentially to where I am now.
It's been an amazing journey.
Yeah.
There's been ups and downs forsure.
That's called human existence.
(44:14):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
There's always gonna be the upsand downs.
Definitely.
But.
It's been such a beautifullearning lesson when you can
actually see the low times aslessons and not make it mean
anything about anything.
It's just an experience that I'mgoing through and that's okay.
Dr Nat Green (44:36):
I love that so much because I know we talked
yesterday and I often talk on mypodcast and, and some people
struggle when they first hearthis.
It's about what is the, the giftin the trauma.
Yeah.
And the lessons from the trauma.
And we are not able to see themuntil we're ready.
(44:58):
Like you said, you have to beopen and ready to experience
that and feel that.
So you've beautifully sharedthat, those big pivotal turning
points.
So if you could share one thingwith our listeners that you
think is key to help them movefrom trauma into post-traumatic
(45:22):
growth, what would it be?
Denice Buryn (45:24):
I think the biggest thing that helped me
move finally into thatpost-trauma growth was bringing
in a practice for just me andfor the first time in my life.
(45:44):
Deciding that I had to be themost important person in my
life.
I had to say no to absolutelyeverything that didn't align
with me first, and not in aselfish way.
(46:05):
What I mean by that is I had tosay no.
When people asked too much of me
Dr Nat Green (46:11):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (46:11):
When they were asking me to do things without
any, um, reciprocal gratitude.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
They just expected you to dothings like, you know, the job I
had, he just expected me to workseven days a week, 16 hours a
day.
Hmm.
So I missed out on my child'syouth basically from the age of
(46:32):
five to the age of 12.
I missed out on her entirechildhood.
Because I was at work at thefarm seven days a week, 12, 13,
14 hours a day.
Because he expected of me, Icould have said no, but I
didn't.
And so as you shift into this.
Um, period of time where youbegin to heal, you have to put
(46:57):
yourself first.
And when you say the wordsself-care, a lot of people go,
ah, self-care.
Dr Nat Green (47:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Denice Buryn (47:04):
So don't call it that.
Just don't call it that, call itsomething else.
But when you truly begin torespect yourself.
Hmm.
When you truly begin to offerunconditional love to yourself,
which means love, withoutconditions, it doesn't matter
(47:25):
who I am, what I do, where I'vebeen, what's happened to me, I
love me anyway.
And I love me, most of all.
You know, there was even a timein my solitude where I pulled my
kid from all of her activities,like her afterschool activities,
because I was so exhausted.
That having to go, you know,drive her to here and drive her
(47:49):
to there and go do that, it justadded more stress and more
stress and it added on more ofthe rush.
And when we can't eat a healthydinner because we have to pick
up something on the way becauseit's an hour to get to swimming
lessons from after school.
And then, you know, after thatwe have to go do this.
And like it was just like, blahenough, it's not going to kill
my kid to go one year.
(48:11):
Without swimming lessons, or oneyear without karate, or one year
without soccer, one year withoutbaseball, your kids will
survive.
They're fine, they'll do it.
I had to put myself first andwhat felt right and good to me,
and that was really pivotal inallowing myself that space to
heal, giving myself that quiettime.
(48:34):
Meeting myself in meditation,like absolutely i'm a meditation
teacher now, and I can tell youthat there is a meditation style
for everybody.
It's not all just sitting andtrying to quiet your mind, like
no meditating can be going outfor a walk.
It can be playing with yourkids.
It can be going out and riding aquad down the trails.
(48:58):
It can be whatever you need itto be.
The whole point of meditation isjust getting quiet with
yourself.
Yeah.
And just allowing yourself, yoursoul.
To talk to you, but you're gonnaget quiet long enough to hear
what it's trying to tell you.
Yes.
So that,
Dr Nat Green (49:12):
that one's a challenge for me.
It's nice to hear thatmeditation doesn't have to be
sitting there,'cause my mindnever turns off and goes quiet.
So,
Denice Buryn (49:20):
no.
And in fact, that can be ameditation in itself is inviting
all those thoughts.
Like not shaming it saying I'mdoing it wrong, if I can't shut
my mind off, no.
Invite them in and then you canjust like, make little folders
inside your mind and be like,oh, that's a thought coming in
about work.
I'm just gonna put that thoughtover in that folder and I'm
gonna let that go for now.
What else you got?
(49:40):
And like, encourage your brainto give you all that, right?
So there's, there's differentways that you can meditate.
It's really, truly just comingback to yourself, beginning to
listen to your body, listen toyour emotions, listen to your
energy.
Um.
And giving yourself a little bitof love and compassion.
Absolutely.
You gotta pour in the love.
(50:01):
I love that so much.
And I think, you know, when youtalked about people think, oh,
self-care.
But really as you said that whatcame up for me was that real
self-honoring.
So that honoring of self that Ifelt that really deeply.
I was like, really it, it'sabout owning you.
(50:22):
Putting boundaries in place andhonoring yourself with self-love
and self-compassion.
So, ugh.
Absolutely.
Thank you for sharing that.
And I know our listeners will,you know,'cause often we talk
about self-care and it's that,ugh, it's almost cringe.
I think, like at times, I thinkthat's like the mainstream word
of it now.
It's, it's become so overused.
(50:43):
Yeah, yeah.
That, you know, call it what youwant.
The whole point of it is justputting yourself first and
nurturing.
Yes, and allowing yourself thetime to rest because often
self-care, self-love,self-nurturing, self-honoring.
It's truly about giving yourselftime to rest.
Because we're in a society ofstress of go, go, go, go, go,
(51:06):
push, push, push, push, stuff,stuff, stuff, stuff all the
time.
And we don't give ourselvesenough time.
We don't give the body ourenergy, our emotions.
Time to breathe and, and torelax.
Right.
The body feels unsafe.
It feels pushed, it feelsmm-hmm.
You know, stressed out all thetime.
It's kinda, we talked, I talkeda little about like the trauma,
like layer trauma, layers oftrauma.
(51:28):
Yes.
Same thing happens for stress.
It gets layered on, layered on,layered on until you have a
breaking point.
Mm-hmm.
For some that, that's like apsychotic break sometimes,
right?
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's can be that severebecause you're just so
overwhelmed and stressed.
Mm-hmm.
So we gotta dial it back.
We gotta dial it back, and wegotta give the body and make it
(51:48):
okay.
Make it okay to have those daysof rest.
Dr Nat Green (51:52):
Yeah.
That permission, again, like yousaid, right.
That permission is so important.
Yeah.
So I know you've got lots goingon now with your women's journey
to happiness.
Yeah.
So, and, and all the otheramazing work that you do.
So as we move to wrapping thisconversation up, where can our
listeners find out more aboutyou and find you online and
(52:13):
share the work that you do?
Denice Buryn (52:16):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, so I'm not like a hugesocial media person, but I do
have a little bit of a presenceon, uh, Facebook and Instagram.
So Facebook is just,@happyhandshealing.
Mm-hmm.
Um, on Instagram it's.
@Happyhandswholistic healing,and wholistic is spelled with a
w.
Mm-hmm.
Um, for the series, my Women'sJourney to Happiness, it's
(52:38):
completely free if you wannasign up for this series.
Um, and I do recommend,especially since, uh, our
beautiful host over there is oneof my amazing speakers,
definitely wanna come check outher interview.
Um, yeah.
14 days of, of listening toamazing healers, um,
visionaries.
Just speaking about, you know.
(52:58):
Different tools, tips, wisdom,nuggets and stuff that you can
get to help on your journey backto happiness.
So, um, that is going to be athttps://series.deniceburyn.com
(53:19):
And Denice is spelledD-E-N-I-C-E.
Burin is B-U-R-Y-N.
So I'm sure it'll be in the shownotes.
You can check those out, butyes, sir Denice bein.com.
And yeah, come sign up.
Come get a, a little bit of, um.
A variety.
There's a wide variety ofexpertise and wisdom that gets
(53:43):
shared among these series.
So you just, you take whatresonates with you and you leave
the rest.
Not everything is gonna resonatewith you and that's totally
cool, but there might besomething there for you,
something that can help you moveinto that post-trauma healing,
that, that wellness, that,exponential growth.
Dr Nat Green (54:03):
Oh no.
I'm really excited and Ihonestly am so honored to be a
part of your amazing interviewseries, so I'll definitely put
that link in the show notes andI hope that many of our
listeners will, will join us.
And what date does that start,Denice?
Denice Buryn (54:18):
It starts on Monday, November 3rd.
So it's November 3rd to the16th.
So we've got one more week tosign up.
Um, and then we begin.
Dr Nat Green (54:28):
Oh, very exciting.
What I like to do at the end, Ilike to leave you with a
question.
What do you think your youngerself would think of what you're
doing now and what you'veachieved?
Denice Buryn (54:47):
How young?
Dr Nat Green (54:50):
As young as you want, wherever your mind you
went.
Denice Buryn (54:52):
I, I, I joke because I just feel like, um,
sometimes when I look back, whenI think about my story, uh, it
feels like I've lived five orsix or seven different lifetimes
in this lifetime.
So I'm like, well, which versionof my younger self, because
there's been like so many, myyounger self is so proud of me.
(55:15):
Yeah, because I finally learnedmy value.
Mm, I finally learned how tolove, how to love myself more
than anything.
Growing up, it was more aboutloving everybody else and
serving everybody and being ofservice.
I am that.
(55:36):
I absolutely love everybody andI am full on about service, but
I love myself most.
I follow and I honor my heart,and I just know that my younger
self is so proud of me for notgiving up and for continuing to
try.
(55:57):
No matter how hard it was.
I never gave up,
Dr Nat Green (56:02):
thank goodness.
Right.
Thank goodness you didn'tbecause you just have so much.
What a gift you are to theworld.
And you gave me goosebumps.
Thank you.
Said that.
I was like, oh my goodness.
I honestly feel so honored tohave had you here today and, and
to share this.
Denice Buryn (56:21):
Thank you Natalie.
Dr Nat Green (56:21):
Beautiful conversation with our audience,
so thank you.
Denice Buryn (56:25):
You're welcome.
It's been such an honor to behere and to experience your
space
Dr Nat Green (56:31):
and we look forward to, yeah.
Getting everyone to know youeven more on the interview
series.
Denice Buryn (56:37):
Absolutely.
I look forward to having you allcome.
Enjoy.
Thanks, Denice.
Learn.
Dr Nat Green (56:45):
Bye for now.
Denice Buryn (56:46):
Much love.
Dr Nat Green (56:51):
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Bye for now
Welcome to the Growing Tall Poppies Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Nat Green, and I'm so excited tohave you join me as we discuss
what it means to navigate yourway through post-traumatic
growth and not just survive, butto thrive after trauma.
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Through our podcast, we willexplore ways for you to create a
life filled with greaterpurpose, self-awareness, and a
deep inner peace.
Through integrating the manyyears of knowledge and
professional experience, as wellas the wisdom of those who have
experienced trauma firsthand.
(00:44):
We'll combine psychologyaccelerated approaches.
Coaching and personal experienceto assist you, to learn, to grow
and to thrive.
I hope to empower you to createdeeper awareness and
understanding and strongerconnections with yourself and
with others, whilst also pavingthe way for those who have
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experienced trauma and adversityto reduce their suffering and
become the very best versions ofthemselves.
In order to thrive.
Thank you so much for joining meon today's episode.
Welcome back.
I'm really excited and gratefultoday to bring you our next
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guest on the Growing TallPoppies podcast.
It's my absolute pleasure andprivilege to welcome the most
beautiful lady who I metrecently through an event she is
hosting called Women's Journeyto Happiness.
And today we get to find out abit more about the amazing woman
behind the interview series andhear.
(01:50):
What has led her to this point.
So let me start by introducingDenice to you all.
Denice Buryn has been.
Holistic practitioner, massagetherapist, and energy healer for
the last decade, helping womento reconnect to their mind,
body, soul, and spirit, so thatthey can live a happy, healthy,
(02:12):
more vibrant life.
She believes that the mind,body, soul, spirit connection is
the key to and the fourcornerstones for complete health
and happiness, and her soul'smission is all about love.
Connection and empowerment.
So welcome, Denice.
It's so great to have you here.
Denice Buryn (02:32):
Thank you so much, my dear.
It's so good to chat with youagain.
Dr Nat Green (02:37):
Twice in two days is very exciting, right?
So I thought we might just getstarted with you, giving us a
brief introduction of who youare and what you do in the
world.
Denice Buryn (02:52):
Sure.
Absolutely, I'd love to.
So right now I am absolutelypassionate about helping women
understand their purpose in lifebecause I have found that so
many women feel disconnected.
They feel like they don'trecognize the woman in the
mirror.
Maybe they don't evenparticularly like the woman they
(03:14):
see in the mirror.
And you know, for a lot ofwomen, they've really forgotten.
How powerful they are, right?
There's that, these abilitiesthat we naturally have, um, that
have just been forgotten and.
It lends into a little bit of anenergy of feeling lost, of
overwhelmed of stress and just,you know, riding the shirt tails
(03:38):
of, of life without actuallyreally feeling like you're in
control.
So my passion right now isreally bringing women back to
that mind body, soul connection,really tapping into their
spirit, their purpose in life,helping them understand that
they are beautiful souls andthat they have a reason for
existing.
Right.
Even if it's just to beexisting, to just go through
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their life and just have theirexperiences.
Not everybody has this grandplan for their life or, you
know, maybe a laid out plan of,big monumental changes that
they're gonna make.
Some, some souls are just hereto experience, to learn and to
love.
And so my mission is reallyabout just reminding women how
beautiful they are, how powerfulthey are, and giving them that.
(04:23):
Remembrance back to how trulybeautiful they are and how
powerful they are.
Dr Nat Green (04:30):
Oh, I love that so much, Denice.
And you just articulate it sobeautifully and I'm just all as
you.
Talked about that.
I just feel this calm energyemanating from you.
And honestly, I know that somany of our listeners will
relate to this because as youknow, all the guests that I have
on have been through significantadversity or trauma, and they're
(04:54):
so generous in sharing theirstory.
But we know that everyone who'son here.
Their story has led them towhere they are today, so,
Denice Buryn (05:06):
absolutely.
Dr Nat Green (05:07):
Yeah.
So as you said, I can only,sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, as you said, it doesn'tmean that you have to have this
awful thing or this great bigpurpose.
It can just be to live your bestlife.
Yeah.
And really connect withyourself, because that is such
an important gift to be able todo that.
Denice Buryn (05:30):
Yes.
A gift that many take forgranted.
Yes.
Right.
They get so caught up in thedoing the, being the, you know,
comparison, that they stopgiving themselves permission to
just be real, to be honest, andto just to follow their heart in
what makes them happy.
And for, you know, many of theclients I've worked with
(05:52):
recently, when I ask them, whatdoes your dream life look like?
If, if I could wave a magic wandand poof, here's your dream
life.
They don't even know.
They have no idea because theyhaven't taken the time, because
they don't feel worthy of it.
They don't feel like theydeserve it.
They don't think that they'vetried hard enough or that it's
(06:15):
meant to be for them.
And I counter all of that.
I argue with all of that becauseI'm like, yeah, absolutely
you're worthy and it doesn'tmatter.
Where you've been, what you'vedone, what you lived through,
what's happened to you, theexperiences you have, all of
that's in the past.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And, and the past.
(06:36):
Yes.
It teaches us, um, it shapes us.
It molds us in a certain way,but that doesn't mean that you
don't get the opportunity toremold, reshape, and relearn
anything that you want for yourfuture.
And so.
Part of the reason I, I puttogether this series on, the,
(06:57):
the Women's Journey to Happinessis because with working through
my clients, you know, they werelike, I don't know what would
make me happy and part, so I waslike, split in half where I was
like, okay, half of meunderstands that because 20
years ago, that version of medidn't know what happiness was
either.
And I didn't have a purpose andI didn't have self-worth.
(07:19):
I didn't have self-love.
I didn't value myself.
I didn't even, I was justliterally trying to scrape by
and raise a child on my ownwithout like killing her.
You know what I mean?
Like I was, I was responsiblefor this life to keep it alive,
and I had no idea what I wasdoing.
And then there's the other halfof me that right now, in this
current moment is so epicallyhappy that I'm like, how can you
(07:43):
not know?
How can you not know what makesyou happy?
So there's, this split side inme.
And so that's why I love,, thisconversation and talking about
our experiences, our trauma,those things that have happened
in our past.
Because it doesn't define whoyou need to be for the rest of
your life, it might, hmm.
(08:08):
It might put a label, and I hatelabels, but it might put a
right, it might put a label on aperiod of your life.
Mm-hmm.
When you're going through thehard time or the, you knows,
SHIT, it might put a label onthat time, but labels can be
ripped off and labels can beremoved just like anything else
(08:31):
in life can be broken down andrecreated.
So can our lives and we don'tneed to be stuck in the
experiences that we had or thinkthat those experiences will keep
us in a certain place that wedon't deserve or that we're not
(08:53):
worthy of reaching for thathappiness.
So, yeah.
I love this work.
Dr Nat Green (09:00):
I can see that and you know, I can see your whole
soul and your aura.
Everything lights up as you talkabout it.
And I know that our listenershave pretty much been through
some sort of adversity ortrauma.
And let's be honest, most peoplein the world have experienced
something.
Yeah.
They don't always acknowledgethat.
(09:22):
Mm-hmm.
And.
The comparisonitis that youmentioned often comes in and
there's that, uh, but what Iwent through was nothing
compared to this or compared tothat.
Right.
And it's so important that weacknowledge that anything that
has created challenges ordifficulties or distress for us
(09:46):
is important to be aware of, toacknowledge and to.
Sit with and work out a waythrough it.
So our listeners, I'm sure willfind this conversation very,
very valuable as you share this.
So, as you know, the people thatlisten to the podcast have
usually been through some sortof significant trauma, and I
(10:09):
know you shared a bit with meyesterday that you'd done that.
So I'd love for you to sharewhatever you feel comfortable
with about what's happened foryou and the backstory of Denice.
Denice Buryn (10:20):
For sure.
I am comfortable with it allbecause as we mentioned, uh,
when we were chatting yesterday,you know, I think it's important
that we give a voice to thoseexperiences we've had to those
traumas.
I think it's important that weunmask.
Um, these conversations thathave been so hush hush for so
(10:41):
long, right?
Many, many, many, many womenhave been told not to talk about
things, not to bring it up, thatit's private family business.
You don't, you know, air yourlaundry out with other people,
and it's created this perpetualcycle of people not feeling
comfortable or safe enough totalk about their struggles.
To talk about their, theirtrauma, to talk about their
(11:04):
experiences.
So, I know we only have a shorttime, so I won't go into
everything in detail, but justso that your listeners can have
a brief overview mm-hmm.
Of where I've come from.
And so, you know, keep in mindthe work I'm doing now, the,
what we've already talked about,where I'm at right now, the
happiest in my life that I'veever been.
(11:24):
So keep that in mind as we talkabout.
My journey here, my journey tohappiness.
So started out, um, we'll skipto like teenage years, right?
Uh, first broken heart.
Broken heart so bad.
But that broken heart wasactually really devastating for
me, um, as it is for most whenyou get your first broken heart.
(11:47):
And I ended up with a really.
Really bad case of depression.
Um, back in the mid nineties, itwasn't really talked about, you
know, you'd go to your doctor,they tried to give you pills.
I think I took those pills maybefor two weeks, but mm-hmm.
It didn't resonate with me.
I didn't feel like I was broken.
I just, I was hurting.
I was so hurting and I didn't, Apill didn't seem like, you know,
(12:09):
the magic fix.
But what happened after that,unfortunately, was that I met.
Another boy, who was excitingand adventurous and I was like,
oh yeah, this is the perfectway.
I'm gonna get over this brokenheart.
So I got involved in arelationship that was very,
very, very, very toxic.
Mm-hmm.
Um, at that time, again, I'mstill trying to heal from, you
(12:32):
know, this first teenage,breakup.
And so I was not strong in who Iwas.
I wasn't strong in boundaries.
I didn't understand anythingabout my worth or my value.
I was feeling very, very, verylow.
And through this relationship Iended up experiencing.
Mental abuse, emotional abuse,physical abuse.
(12:54):
Okay.
It was a really tumultuous timeof about two, maybe three years
of just up and down, up anddown.
Really, really struggling to.
Understand how someone can say,you know, I love you, and then
hurt you so deeply at the sametime.
Hmm.
It was a really, really, really,really difficult, and when I
finally was able to detachmyself from that, I felt even
(13:17):
more lost and broken than I hadbefore, which led me down a very
dark corridor into, uh, I guessa party scene, we'll call it.
Mm-hmm.
Started going to parties.
And I got into drugs.
I got into hard drugs, cocaine,um, crack meth, like really
(13:38):
hard, icky things.
Um, and this was my way of justtrying to remove myself from
this experience that I washaving, right?
This, this pain, this, thisreally, uh.
This time of not understandingwho I was, what was important to
me, or what my purpose even herewas, right?
(13:59):
I just, I knew nothing.
I just knew that it was mucheasier just to numb it than to
work through anything or evenrecognize that I was hurting,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Um, and then I had two reallyclose people to me.
Pass away within three monthsand I hit grief really, really,
(14:19):
really hard.
One was, my childhood bestfriend and she actually passed
away a week before her wedding,and that really sent me into a
spiral.
Of even, even darker, evendeeper, than I had been before.
And I just leaned on all thethings that could numb me, block
me.
I didn't wanna feel, I didn'tunderstand, you know, I was
(14:41):
questioning everything.
I had been brought up learning'cause I was brought up in the
church.
And so there, for anybody who'sgrown up in the church mm-hmm.
Um, you understand that there'sa certain set of, um.
Beliefs, I guess, that you arebrought up believing.
Mm-hmm.
And in my mind, this, this bestfriend of mine that I grew up
with, she was probably the mostkindest, most beautiful soul
(15:05):
that had in my mind, ever walkedthe earth.
And from the time we were kids,all she ever wanted to do was
get married and be a mom.
That was her whole goal in life,and here she was a week before
her wedding snatched away and Icouldn't make sense of it.
I couldn't make sense how this.
Beautiful soul who had donenothing but served God her whole
(15:26):
life and was just a beautiful,beautiful person.
How the one thing she desiredmost in life could be ripped
away from her a week before,when she, her, her wedding day
basically.
And so I began to question,nothing made sense to me
anymore.
Nothing that I grew up with.
None of, none of nothing madesense.
I had no foundation, no support,no anything, and.
(15:49):
You know, when you're in thatplace where nothing makes sense,
where you are in pain, you arein struggle and you don't know
what to do, the easiest thingyou can do is mask it.
But that comes with its owncomplications and its own
issues.
You know, it's, it was a reallyhard, dark place there.
(16:11):
Yeah.
Um, from there I continued kindof in the party scene and
unfortunately that led me intomore, physical relationships
with, men.
And I unfortunately experienceda couple episodes of rape.
Okay.
And I experienced a couple timeswhere, you know, my body was
just used and abused.
(16:32):
I had a very, very, very low,I'm gonna say I had no
self-esteem.
I won't even say it was low'cause it just, it just didn't
exist.
I just had such a hard timeputting any value to myself and
just being used and broken overand over left me in this really,
really hard place.
(16:53):
And so finally my earlytwenties, I decided, you know
what?
I'm either gonna, oh, what Iforgot to mention was that I
ended up having, um, a coupleoverdoses, drug overdoses.
Okay.
Where really there's, there's noreason I should be alive right
now with what I went through.
Wow.
Um, and when I kind of came outof that a little bit, it was
(17:13):
like, I, I need to make a hugeshift in my life.
'cause I'm either gonna end upin jail or I'm gonna end up
dead.
Mm-hmm.
And is that what I want for mylife?
I don't know, but I.
I don't think so.
So I ended up moving away frommy hometown to get clean, to
start over, fresh start, right?
The idea of this fresh startalways sounds so good, and so I
(17:36):
thought, you know what?
This is my time.
I gotta do it.
So with 46 cents in my pocket,
Dr Nat Green (17:42):
oh my goodness.
I got on a
Denice Buryn (17:43):
bus and with one bag, and I moved down to
Vancouver Island.
Mm-hmm.
And worked on getting myselfclean, getting out of the drug
scene.
Of course, I met a boy.
Oh, of course.
Right?
Right.
Six months later I found out I'mpregnant.
(18:05):
Okay.
And I.
I was in such shock because thatwas actually the day that I had
decided I was gonna break upwith my boyfriend at that time
because he was also veryemotionally manipulative.
Um, it wasn't really a healthyrelationship.
And, and I had been reflecting,you know, the whole month prior
thinking, you know, is I'm, thisis my start over.
(18:26):
Is this really the kind of guy.
I wanna have in my life.
It's not, so I was actuallyintending to break up with him
that day after my doctor'sappointment.
And then I find out, oh my God,I'm pregnant, what now?
So I chose to stick it outthinking, you know, maybe.
This new responsibility wouldhelp both of us grow up.
(18:49):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Uh, it didn't work out that way.
Um, and I, I ended up leavinghim for good.
I think when my daughter wasjust over a year old.
I did try and stick it out.
We tried all the things, but itjust, it wasn't gonna work.
So I, now, I'm, you know, on myown in a town where I know
really nobody except for thepeople that I work with, no
family or relatives or anything.
(19:10):
And, uh, raising a kid on myown.
And you wanna talk about trauma?
Mm.
I feel like anybody who's everraised a child on their own
deserves a F'ing medal man,because it is one of the, if not
hardest jobs on the planet tojuggle all the things you wear,
(19:32):
all the hats, and especiallywhen you have no support doing
it.
Um.
It's a very, very tough goal.
Yes.
Especially with
Dr Nat Green (19:40):
no support system, as you said.
Yeah.
So with a whole different area,completely different town.
But yeah, I noticed, you know,having the insight that despite
everything, all the experiences,you wanted more for yourself, so
you made those choices.
That's.
Amazing.
Yeah.
(20:01):
So keep going.
You know what, he was strugglingas a single mom.
Yep.
Denice Buryn (20:04):
Yeah.
What really started that littlebit of a flame inside me was
that I got a job.
It was like a professional job.
And I used say that with quotes,if you guys can't see my
fingers.
Um, I was selling insurance atthe time, so, um, before my mat
leave, I was working at seven 11as a cashier.
Woo-hoo.
(20:25):
Right?
Um, and then I went on my matleave.
I babysat for a couple years andthen I was like, okay, if I'm
gonna leave this guy, I needlike.
I need a real job.
I need a job that's gonnasupport me and my child.
So I ended up getting this job,selling insurance at a bank.
And so I had to get like thefancy clothes.
Yeah, the high heels.
I had to wear stockings, all thethings.
(20:46):
Right?
Yeah.
So it was like this upgrade ofstatus in my head.
Yeah.
Um, which also began to uplevela little bit of my expectations
of myself.
Okay.
Right.
And the people that I workedwith were so kind and they
laughed.
And they were nice.
Like these were all things thatfor the last, you know, 5, 6, 7
(21:08):
years hadn't really been a partof my life.
It was just a whole lot of dark,dark, dark, and people using
you, abusing you.
And now all of a sudden I'm inthis environment where people
were so nice.
Like I can, I can still rememberthat, that just, that people
were so nice and it made merealize there are still good
people out there.
Mm.
With all the things I've beenthrough, with all of the things
(21:30):
that have happened to me.
There are still really nicepeople out in the world, and it
began to raise my expectations.
Mm-hmm.
On, okay, well this is what Ineed to be, I need to be a good,
solid person.
Mm-hmm.
Then I had to move away,unfortunately, from that town,
(21:52):
from that area of Canada, justbecause it was really expensive.
It's kind of like a retirementarea, if you will.
So everything was really, reallyexpensive.
And as a single parent, I just,I couldn't afford to make it.
So I ended up moving out here toAlberta, um, at the invite of my
sister and my brother-in-law wholived here.
And again, it was the epic.
Start over, right?
(22:13):
I couldn't afford to live whereI was.
I just could not, not make endsmeet.
And so here I was five-year-oldchild and I'm about to start all
over again.
So I did packed up the movingvan, drove here all by myself,
got a job, was living with mysister.
And then I ended up having alittle bit of a disagreement
with my brother-in-law becausehe was trying to tell me how to
(22:36):
live my life.
And I was like, it's my life.
Thank you very much.
And so we just started to buttheads.
So I moved out.
Again, kind of on my own allover again, and I got a job
working for a farmer, which wassomething I knew nothing about.
I had no experience at all withfarming, but it was a job and I
didn't care.
I was gonna do anything,anything to put food on the
(22:58):
table, and I began to healthrough that job.
Dr Nat Green (23:04):
Okay.
Denice Buryn (23:04):
Because this farmer was a grain and cattle
farmer, but mostly on the grain.
I got to be outside every day,so I'm in the sunshine.
I'm getting fresh oxygen.
I'm getting movement in my body.
Yeah.
And I was so in touch with theland.
Mm.
And I know that might soundbizarre to say, but I can
(23:26):
honestly say that nature startedto heal me without me even
knowing it was happening.
Mm.
And it was such a fantastic jobfor most of the part, the work I
loved.
I loved working hard.
I loved getting out and gettingmy hands dirty, doing all the
things I can drive anythingwith, you know, I have my class
one, I can, I can haul anything.
(23:46):
I can drive anything, but myboss was a little bit of an
asshole.
Mm.
Uh, he was a very, very, verytoxic person for me.
We fought a lot, especially ifthere was alcohol involved.
Um, you know, on the farmsometimes, no, after the end of
a big day you have a drink ortwo or whatever, and we would
(24:07):
end up fighting and then I wouldcome to work the next day and
he'd still be angry about whatwe were fighting about the day
before, kind of holding it overmy head and it just became kind
of like a whatever.
But then, um, it got worse.
And it got worse.
And it got worse.
And it was usually if I happento break something, like, I
don't know, like when you workaround machinery, you know that
(24:28):
shit's gonna break.
You gotta, you gotta understandthat about machinery.
However, you know, sometimes youalso just do stupid things as
humans.
Sometimes you just make amistake.
And so on the days, if I wouldbreak something or do something
wrong, he would get really,upset with me and, and kinda
(24:49):
hold it over my head for acouple days and it just, it
didn't feel good.
It didn't feel, like a happy,thriving environment.
I guess.
I loved the job.
I just, the relationship betweenme and, and my boss wasn't good.
However, I felt like I neededthis job because it was the most
money I had ever made, and itwas the only reason that I was
(25:11):
surviving here on my own.
Yeah.
And so I started drinking.
Mm-hmm.
I started drinking to numb myreception to his anger.
Mm-hmm.
To his displeasure, whatever youwanna call it.
And I started drinking a lot.
(25:33):
Mm-hmm.
Because if I was numb.
Then I didn't feel mm-hmm.
The anger and the disappointmentor whatever.
Right.
It was just easier if I wasdrinking a little bit, and this
was really before I understoodanything about energy.
Knowing what I know now,obviously I had an issue with
boundaries.
Obviously I had an issue withclearing up energy of myself,
(25:55):
but I knew none of this at thetime.
So as much as nature was tryingto heal me.
I was sabotaging my own healthby partaking in in alcohol,
which led to a fairly seriousaddiction.
Mm-hmm.
Which also led into a generalanxiety disorder.
Okay.
So everything, as we know withtrauma, one thing piles on top
(26:19):
of another thing on top ofanother thing and on top of
another thing.
And when you do nothing aboutany of those layers, yeah.
It doesn't go anywhere.
Nope, it's still inside.
Dr Nat Green (26:30):
Stuck in there.
And it
Denice Buryn (26:31):
was like, it was perking and perking and perking
inside me, and I wasn'tlistening.
I wasn't listening to any of thecues in my body.
I didn't know anything aboutlistening to my body.
And then I had one pivotal nightwhere I drank too much and I got
pulled over and I lost mydriver's license.
(26:53):
Mm-hmm.
My jobs, I had two of them atthe time.
Were driving jobs.
Dr Nat Green (26:58):
Okay.
Denice Buryn (26:58):
I, my life, my livelihood depended on me being
able to drive and I've now justlost my driver's license.
Yeah.
And this one mistake totallyupended my life.
Mm-hmm.
At that time, in my mind, I sawno possible good out of this.
Dr Nat Green (27:20):
No, of course.
Denice Buryn (27:20):
Looking back now, that's the period of time when I
decided to go back to school.
And that was when I decided I'mgonna go for massage therapy.
Mm-hmm.
I was seeing a massage therapistand she said, you should go be a
holistic practitioner.
I think you have what it wouldtake.
This is a school I went to.
It was really fabulous.
You should look into this.
Mm-hmm.
So in this time off where Iwasn't able to actually go to
(27:42):
work, I decided to go back toschool, took out some student
loans, and I started learningabout the human body.
But I also started learningabout energy.
Dr Nat Green (27:51):
Yes.
Denice Buryn (27:52):
Game changer for me.
Hmm.
Absolutely.
When I started realizing howmuch energy of everybody else I
had taken on my whole life, ofall of the experiences, of all
of the traumas, of all of thehorrible things that I had been
through, that I had done, that Ihad said, all those versions of
(28:12):
me that had done all these wrongthings.
It was just energy and I washolding all of that inside my
body, and I woke up one morningand I actually got violently
Ill, like I, I vomited.
Before I was even able to getoutta bed.
(28:33):
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, what is that?
Like I, I was like, did I eatsomething bad?
Like, we all know what foodpoisoning is like, right.
Like, I was like, oh my God,what did I eat yesterday?
I feel so gross.
But I had to go to work.
So off to work, I go, and thisstarted to happen every day for
a couple weeks, as soon as myeyes would come awake.
And I'm like, okay, I'm wakingup.
(28:54):
I immediately had to throw up.
Mm-hmm.
And I started feeling like.
You know, on the inside, theinside I started feeling like my
body was shutting down.
Mm-hmm.
I wasn't able to keep food downafter like the noon dinner.
'cause on the farm we had like abig noon dinner.
Mm-hmm.
Um, usually I would eat dinnerand then I'd have to go outside
(29:16):
and I'd have to throw up again.
Like I wasn't able to keep anyfood down.
It was like my body wasliterally shutting down.
I had chronic diarrhea, I hadthis anxiety disorder that was
like out of control.
And I was like, I don't knowwhat's going on, but I need to
make some serious changes.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I feel dead on the inside.
I have no emotions, I have noconnection to anything.
(29:38):
I feel like I have no lifepurpose, and here I'm learning
about this energy, but I don'tfeel it.
Mm.
Like I don't, I, I couldn't makesense of anything.
And so I decided, well, I guesswe're gonna have to make some
changes.
So I quit drinking, I changed mydiet.
I started pounding back, youknow, four liters of water a
day.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and what really, really madethe difference for me is I
(30:02):
started meditating every day.
Okay.
This amazing meditation that I'dheard about for so many years,
knew nothing really about, but Istarted following this lady
online and she did it.
And I'm like, well, you knowwhat?
If she can do it, I can do it.
So I just followed along withwhat she said, and as I began to
meditate every day.
I began to invite inforgiveness.
(30:24):
I began to invite in compassion.
Mm-hmm.
And I began to invite in loveagain, which had been so absent
from my life for so many years.
And the most amazing beautifulthing happened is that I was
able to truly let go.
(30:46):
Of everything that had everhappened to me.
All the abuse, the physicalabuse, the mental abuse, the
rapes, right.
The, the child abuse when I wasyounger, all of it, all of it.
I just, I met it in an honestplace of love and I just was
like, I'm done.
I'm tired of carrying Yeah.
(31:06):
This weight with me, this burdenwith me.
Mm-hmm.
Like it, it's truly time just tolet this go.
Yeah, it happened to me.
Yeah, it was shitty.
But that doesn't mean that it, Ineed to carry it with me and
wear it like a badge or wear itlike, you know, an armor that's
gonna protect me from everexperiencing anything new.
I deserved to have a happy life,and these are the things I
(31:28):
started to tap into as I wasmeditating every day.
My soul just kind of came aliveand it started talking to me
about what it truly wanted inlife.
Yes.
And so.
That was really the pivotalpoint of when I started to shift
was I learned about energy.
I learned how to clear my energyevery day, how important it is
(31:49):
to clear your energy every day,especially if you are in a toxic
situation like work home.
Parents, friends, even sometimescan be very, very toxic for you,
and, and you'll know they'retoxic because you feel very
tired.
After associating with them,right?
You get on the phone with them,you go have a, a, um, you know,
tea or coffee with them, and youjust feel energetically drained
(32:12):
after, or you feel really,really heavy, right?
This, this is a sign that youare taking on other people's
energy.
So I learned how to clear myenergy every day.
I meditated every day.
I just started changingeverything that my intuition
told me to do.
I watched a lot of webinarsabout health and all the amazing
things the body does.
(32:33):
Plus I was now, you know, I'dgraduated from school by this
time, and so I was working withclients and I started to see
how, when we talked about theemotions that we store inside
the body, when we can actuallytruly just acknowledge them,
right?
Let them come into ourawareness, work with them, work
to start releasing them, andinviting in forgiveness and
(32:55):
love, the transformations theystarted having was.
Amazing.
Mm.
I was like, wow, if I can do it,anybody can do it.
Because if anybody has livedthrough anything like what I had
lived through, you know, it waspossible for anybody to, to
change their life.
So I know that was like a reallylong explanation for where I got
(33:18):
to where I am, but it'sfabulous.
You know, it's like, knows
Dr Nat Green (33:22):
Yeah.
That you can so openly sharethat and talk about it.
And just help other people knowthat no matter what you've been
through, you can come out theother side and it's worth
investing in yourself to do thatbecause look at you now,
Denice Buryn (33:41):
right?
Look at me now.
Dr Nat Green (33:43):
I know.
Denice Buryn (33:44):
Amazing.
You knows a gift.
We talked a little bit aboutthis yesterday.
It didn't happen overnight.
No, and it didn't happen by mejust sitting back and expecting
something amazing to happen tome.
I had to do the work.
Yeah, I put the time in.
Mm-hmm.
I spent many, many, many, manymonths, I won't say in solitude,
(34:07):
but when I began to trulyunderstand that the company you
keep plays a big part in theenergy that you have, I started
to really question who deservesmy time?
Dr Nat Green (34:22):
Beautiful question.
Denice Buryn (34:24):
Right.
Such, not everybody deservesyour time.
No.
Not everybody deserves somethingof you.
And we've been brought up inthis culture that says everybody
else comes first.
Mm-hmm.
And if there's time at the endof the day, then there's time
for you.
Well, there's never time at theend of the day.
And unless you make the time toput yourself first, to put
yourself a priority.
(34:46):
You end up at the bottom of thelist and everybody else gets
served and all that happens isthat you get depleted and you
get depleted and you getdepleted.
And I was at that like.
Depleted point for so, so longthat all of a sudden as I was
doing this inner work ofmeditation and energy clearing
every day and, you know, feedingmy body whole foods, you know, I
(35:10):
cut out the junk food and theprocessed food and like all the
crap, I caught it all out and Iwas drinking water and just
nurturing this beautiful vesselthat I had.
And I can honestly say.
At that time I would, I couldnot look, I mean, I couldn't do
mirror work.
I dunno if anybody, you know,listening knows what mirror work
is, but there's no way that Icould look myself in the face,
(35:34):
in the eyeballs and say, I loveyou.
I'm so proud of you.
Good work.
I couldn't do it.
And I can't remember who I waslistening to.
I dunno if it was Louise Hay orsomebody was talking about
mirror work, and I'm like, youknow.
I'm gonna give that a go, right?
I'm, I was open for tryinganything because anything had to
(35:55):
be better than where I had beenthat low, like rock bottom,
right?
So I can remember the first timeI, you know, go out into my
bathroom and I'm looking myselfin the eyeballs and I'm like, I,
and I just like burst outcrying.
Like I could not get the wordsout.
(36:16):
I love you.
I'm so proud of you.
I see you girl, like you havebeen through the hoops, but
you're still here.
You're still alive.
I had two drug overdoses.
There's really no reason Ishould be alive, but yet I'm
still here.
(36:36):
So what purpose is my life?
What?
What is the purpose of my life?
And it took me maybe a couplemonths.
Before I could really honestlylook myself in the eyes every
day and say, you are fantastic.
I love you so much, and you aregonna have a fabulous day.
And I meant it.
(36:57):
I actually truly meant it.
It wasn't just, you know, fakeit till you make it kind of
thing.
I really, really meant it.
And this, I was all aboutaffirmations, right?
Writing things on sticky notes.
And I had them all over myhouse.
I had my top 12 values all overmy house.
I had all of these littlereminders around my place.
And one quote, um, I think itwas a Wayne Dire, quote, mm-hmm.
(37:18):
Was Thank you universe for thisday, for my life, for my body,
for my loved ones, and for theopportunity to be of service.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
And when I heard him say that ona podcast or something,
something in me was like, Hmm,well that kind of covers
(37:39):
everything My day, you know, myloved ones, my, my body, my
life.
Like, yeah, that coverseverything.
So let's try that.
I'm gonna try that.
So I wrote it out and I had iton my bathroom mirror for about
four years.
Every time I went into mybathroom, I said it in the
morning, midday, nighttime.
It didn't matter if I was goinginto my bathroom.
I said that quote.
It took me much like the mirrorwork, it took me a little time
(38:01):
before I could truly feel thatgratitude.
But when I met it, when I trulybegan to reflect, like, look how
far I've come, my kid is stillalive.
Woo.
Yay.
Bonus.
I'm still alive.
Woo hoo.
Go me right.
(38:21):
You were winning.
I ruined.
I was totally winning for thefirst time because there had
been so much failure in my past.
Right?
And it just, it always seemedlike I was stuck in this
perpetual loop of failure,failure, failure.
I'd get up and then crash down.
I'd get up, and then I'd crashdown.
(38:42):
And for the first time I reallyjust felt like I was happy I was
alive.
I was so deeply connected.
I.
And that was kind of thebeginning of like my epic just
like rise up because it got evenbetter from there.
(39:04):
Um, I learned how to really tapinto my emotions.
Dr Nat Green (39:08):
Yeah,
Denice Buryn (39:09):
I learned how to, um.
Get my brain and heart.
I think Dr.
Dispenza calls it the brainheart coherence.
Mm-hmm.
I really started to understandthe importance of visualizing.
Yes.
But also feeling into whatyou're visualizing.
Right.
Tapping into the feeling ofthings, not just thinking about
(39:31):
it, visualizing it.
'cause I'm a very visual person.
That's one of my Claires.
Um, but.
Really feeling it.
So I went through thismanifestation course that my
friend was, was offering, and itwas fantastic.
But I did this little ceremony.
It was uh, december of 2020 whenwe, right when we were moving
into the age of Aquarius, thatDecember 21st was like this
really powerful portal day.
(39:52):
And I'm like, I'm gonna do thisspecial little sacred ceremony.
Uh, so I got out all mymedicines, I got my sage, my
sweet grass, my um, cedar, I gotsome tobacco.
I made this little, you know,sacred fire.
And I had written out a list, avery, very detailed list mm-hmm.
(40:12):
Of what my perfect partner.
Needed to be, if I was gonnagive up my single life that I
was so in love with all of asudden.
Yeah.
Um, I was just thriving in mysolitude and, and just in, you
know, in my little acreage thatI had.
It was magical.
It was, it was so good.
I was so happy if I was gonnagive that up, the person that I
(40:33):
met had to be pretty fantastic.
Yeah, definitely.
Like, fantastic.
So I wrote out this list.
It was a like double sided page.
Of course.
It was exactly what my perfectpartner had to be like down to
detail.
Mm-hmm.
Like I wanted him to have longenough hair that I could run my
fingers to.
I didn't, you know, there'snothing wrong with, with.
(40:55):
Thinning hair, but just for myperfect partner, I wanted him to
have hair that I could run myfingers through, right?
Just all the things.
Um, I didn't want to have toclean off, pee off the toilet
seat ever.
Like, you know, I got very, verydetailed to what exactly this
perfect partner had to be.
I went outside, it was dead ofwinter, or I guess the, the
(41:15):
start of winter, um, in Decemberhere.
I burnt my list and I just gaveit to source to the universe and
I said, this or somethingbetter.
If I'm meant to meet somebody,it has to be this guy that I've
just written this two pagesabout or something better, and I
burnt it and I let go.
I just trusted that if it wasmeant to happen, it would, it
(41:36):
would, it would happen.
I'd lived in Alberta already forseven years, didn't think I was
ever gonna find anybody thatactually, you know.
Came close to this list, but I'mlike, whatever miracles can
happen.
Mm-hmm.
And then this was during theworld shutdown years, as I call
it.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
We all know what those were.
Yeah.
(41:57):
And, uh, finances were tightbecause as a massage therapist,
my business had been shut down.
It wasn't allowed to work.
Dr Nat Green (42:03):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (42:03):
Single mom back on that, you know,
Dr Nat Green (42:06):
money,
Denice Buryn (42:07):
stress train.
Dr Nat Green (42:08):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (42:09):
And I decided to go work in the spring for, a
company that basically they haulfertilizer to the farmers around
here.
So I had a class one, I could dothe dangerous goods job, no
problem.
So I decided to take on this jobjust to get a little bit of
money coming in that spring.
And this was four months after Idid my sacred ceremony.
(42:29):
And I went to work that veryfirst day and there was a man
there who immediately caught myattention and we had to work
together all that day doingwhatever we were doing.
And by the end of the day I waslike, you know when, um, like
your temperature is just likesuper, super hot and you're just
(42:50):
like giggling, like you feellike a little school girl that's
just like, he, he, he like, itwas so bizarre.
It was so bizarre.
But I felt just this amazingsupernatural connection to this
guy.
Mm.
It was so crazy.
Um.
Three years later, we're nowmarried.
Dr Nat Green (43:10):
That's amazing, isn't it?
Denice Buryn (43:12):
It was truly phenomenal about when you let go
of the struggle.
Yeah.
And when you just put your trustin the universe that whatever
you desire, if you are anenergetic match for it, if you
are ready and you are prepared,watch out.
Mm-hmm.
It's coming.
Yes.
If you are an energetic matchfor what you are designing for
(43:33):
your life, it will happen foryou instantly.
And this is how quantum leapingcan work too, right?
Yes.
Jumping timelines is when youare an energetic match for what
you are creating for yourself.
And so when I reflect back onthe journey.
Right.
All the things that happenedfirst to me, that made me not so
happy.
(43:54):
And then the catalystic points,you know, the two really major
traumatic points of my life thatshifted my direction
exponentially to where I am now.
It's been an amazing journey.
Yeah.
There's been ups and downs forsure.
That's called human existence.
(44:14):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
There's always gonna be the upsand downs.
Definitely.
But.
It's been such a beautifullearning lesson when you can
actually see the low times aslessons and not make it mean
anything about anything.
It's just an experience that I'mgoing through and that's okay.
Dr Nat Green (44:36):
I love that so much because I know we talked
yesterday and I often talk on mypodcast and, and some people
struggle when they first hearthis.
It's about what is the, the giftin the trauma.
Yeah.
And the lessons from the trauma.
And we are not able to see themuntil we're ready.
(44:58):
Like you said, you have to beopen and ready to experience
that and feel that.
So you've beautifully sharedthat, those big pivotal turning
points.
So if you could share one thingwith our listeners that you
think is key to help them movefrom trauma into post-traumatic
(45:22):
growth, what would it be?
Denice Buryn (45:24):
I think the biggest thing that helped me
move finally into thatpost-trauma growth was bringing
in a practice for just me andfor the first time in my life.
(45:44):
Deciding that I had to be themost important person in my
life.
I had to say no to absolutelyeverything that didn't align
with me first, and not in aselfish way.
(46:05):
What I mean by that is I had tosay no.
When people asked too much of me
Dr Nat Green (46:11):
Yeah.
Denice Buryn (46:11):
When they were asking me to do things without
any, um, reciprocal gratitude.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
They just expected you to dothings like, you know, the job I
had, he just expected me to workseven days a week, 16 hours a
day.
Hmm.
So I missed out on my child'syouth basically from the age of
(46:32):
five to the age of 12.
I missed out on her entirechildhood.
Because I was at work at thefarm seven days a week, 12, 13,
14 hours a day.
Because he expected of me, Icould have said no, but I
didn't.
And so as you shift into this.
Um, period of time where youbegin to heal, you have to put
(46:57):
yourself first.
And when you say the wordsself-care, a lot of people go,
ah, self-care.
Dr Nat Green (47:03):
Yeah, exactly.
Denice Buryn (47:04):
So don't call it that.
Just don't call it that, call itsomething else.
But when you truly begin torespect yourself.
Hmm.
When you truly begin to offerunconditional love to yourself,
which means love, withoutconditions, it doesn't matter
(47:25):
who I am, what I do, where I'vebeen, what's happened to me, I
love me anyway.
And I love me, most of all.
You know, there was even a timein my solitude where I pulled my
kid from all of her activities,like her afterschool activities,
because I was so exhausted.
That having to go, you know,drive her to here and drive her
(47:49):
to there and go do that, it justadded more stress and more
stress and it added on more ofthe rush.
And when we can't eat a healthydinner because we have to pick
up something on the way becauseit's an hour to get to swimming
lessons from after school.
And then, you know, after thatwe have to go do this.
And like it was just like, blahenough, it's not going to kill
my kid to go one year.
(48:11):
Without swimming lessons, or oneyear without karate, or one year
without soccer, one year withoutbaseball, your kids will
survive.
They're fine, they'll do it.
I had to put myself first andwhat felt right and good to me,
and that was really pivotal inallowing myself that space to
heal, giving myself that quiettime.
(48:34):
Meeting myself in meditation,like absolutely i'm a meditation
teacher now, and I can tell youthat there is a meditation style
for everybody.
It's not all just sitting andtrying to quiet your mind, like
no meditating can be going outfor a walk.
It can be playing with yourkids.
It can be going out and riding aquad down the trails.
(48:58):
It can be whatever you need itto be.
The whole point of meditation isjust getting quiet with
yourself.
Yeah.
And just allowing yourself, yoursoul.
To talk to you, but you're gonnaget quiet long enough to hear
what it's trying to tell you.
Yes.
So that,
Dr Nat Green (49:12):
that one's a challenge for me.
It's nice to hear thatmeditation doesn't have to be
sitting there,'cause my mindnever turns off and goes quiet.
So,
Denice Buryn (49:20):
no.
And in fact, that can be ameditation in itself is inviting
all those thoughts.
Like not shaming it saying I'mdoing it wrong, if I can't shut
my mind off, no.
Invite them in and then you canjust like, make little folders
inside your mind and be like,oh, that's a thought coming in
about work.
I'm just gonna put that thoughtover in that folder and I'm
gonna let that go for now.
What else you got?
(49:40):
And like, encourage your brainto give you all that, right?
So there's, there's differentways that you can meditate.
It's really, truly just comingback to yourself, beginning to
listen to your body, listen toyour emotions, listen to your
energy.
Um.
And giving yourself a little bitof love and compassion.
Absolutely.
You gotta pour in the love.
(50:01):
I love that so much.
And I think, you know, when youtalked about people think, oh,
self-care.
But really as you said that whatcame up for me was that real
self-honoring.
So that honoring of self that Ifelt that really deeply.
I was like, really it, it'sabout owning you.
(50:22):
Putting boundaries in place andhonoring yourself with self-love
and self-compassion.
So, ugh.
Absolutely.
Thank you for sharing that.
And I know our listeners will,you know,'cause often we talk
about self-care and it's that,ugh, it's almost cringe.
I think, like at times, I thinkthat's like the mainstream word
of it now.
It's, it's become so overused.
(50:43):
Yeah, yeah.
That, you know, call it what youwant.
The whole point of it is justputting yourself first and
nurturing.
Yes, and allowing yourself thetime to rest because often
self-care, self-love,self-nurturing, self-honoring.
It's truly about giving yourselftime to rest.
Because we're in a society ofstress of go, go, go, go, go,
(51:06):
push, push, push, push, stuff,stuff, stuff, stuff all the
time.
And we don't give ourselvesenough time.
We don't give the body ourenergy, our emotions.
Time to breathe and, and torelax.
Right.
The body feels unsafe.
It feels pushed, it feelsmm-hmm.
You know, stressed out all thetime.
It's kinda, we talked, I talkeda little about like the trauma,
like layer trauma, layers oftrauma.
(51:28):
Yes.
Same thing happens for stress.
It gets layered on, layered on,layered on until you have a
breaking point.
Mm-hmm.
For some that, that's like apsychotic break sometimes,
right?
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's can be that severebecause you're just so
overwhelmed and stressed.
Mm-hmm.
So we gotta dial it back.
We gotta dial it back, and wegotta give the body and make it
(51:48):
okay.
Make it okay to have those daysof rest.
Dr Nat Green (51:52):
Yeah.
That permission, again, like yousaid, right.
That permission is so important.
Yeah.
So I know you've got lots goingon now with your women's journey
to happiness.
Yeah.
So, and, and all the otheramazing work that you do.
So as we move to wrapping thisconversation up, where can our
listeners find out more aboutyou and find you online and
(52:13):
share the work that you do?
Denice Buryn (52:16):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, so I'm not like a hugesocial media person, but I do
have a little bit of a presenceon, uh, Facebook and Instagram.
So Facebook is just,@happyhandshealing.
Mm-hmm.
Um, on Instagram it's.
@Happyhandswholistic healing,and wholistic is spelled with a
w.
Mm-hmm.
Um, for the series, my Women'sJourney to Happiness, it's
(52:38):
completely free if you wannasign up for this series.
Um, and I do recommend,especially since, uh, our
beautiful host over there is oneof my amazing speakers,
definitely wanna come check outher interview.
Um, yeah.
14 days of, of listening toamazing healers, um,
visionaries.
Just speaking about, you know.
(52:58):
Different tools, tips, wisdom,nuggets and stuff that you can
get to help on your journey backto happiness.
So, um, that is going to be athttps://series.deniceburyn.com
(53:19):
And Denice is spelledD-E-N-I-C-E.
Burin is B-U-R-Y-N.
So I'm sure it'll be in the shownotes.
You can check those out, butyes, sir Denice bein.com.
And yeah, come sign up.
Come get a, a little bit of, um.
A variety.
There's a wide variety ofexpertise and wisdom that gets
(53:43):
shared among these series.
So you just, you take whatresonates with you and you leave
the rest.
Not everything is gonna resonatewith you and that's totally
cool, but there might besomething there for you,
something that can help you moveinto that post-trauma healing,
that, that wellness, that,exponential growth.
Dr Nat Green (54:03):
Oh no.
I'm really excited and Ihonestly am so honored to be a
part of your amazing interviewseries, so I'll definitely put
that link in the show notes andI hope that many of our
listeners will, will join us.
And what date does that start,Denice?
Denice Buryn (54:18):
It starts on Monday, November 3rd.
So it's November 3rd to the16th.
So we've got one more week tosign up.
Um, and then we begin.
Dr Nat Green (54:28):
Oh, very exciting.
What I like to do at the end, Ilike to leave you with a
question.
What do you think your youngerself would think of what you're
doing now and what you'veachieved?
Denice Buryn (54:47):
How young?
Dr Nat Green (54:50):
As young as you want, wherever your mind you
went.
Denice Buryn (54:52):
I, I, I joke because I just feel like, um,
sometimes when I look back, whenI think about my story, uh, it
feels like I've lived five orsix or seven different lifetimes
in this lifetime.
So I'm like, well, which versionof my younger self, because
there's been like so many, myyounger self is so proud of me.
(55:15):
Yeah, because I finally learnedmy value.
Mm, I finally learned how tolove, how to love myself more
than anything.
Growing up, it was more aboutloving everybody else and
serving everybody and being ofservice.
I am that.
(55:36):
I absolutely love everybody andI am full on about service, but
I love myself most.
I follow and I honor my heart,and I just know that my younger
self is so proud of me for notgiving up and for continuing to
try.
(55:57):
No matter how hard it was.
I never gave up,
Dr Nat Green (56:02):
thank goodness.
Right.
Thank goodness you didn'tbecause you just have so much.
What a gift you are to theworld.
And you gave me goosebumps.
Thank you.
Said that.
I was like, oh my goodness.
I honestly feel so honored tohave had you here today and, and
to share this.
Denice Buryn (56:21):
Thank you Natalie.
Dr Nat Green (56:21):
Beautiful conversation with our audience,
so thank you.
Denice Buryn (56:25):
You're welcome.
It's been such an honor to behere and to experience your
space
Dr Nat Green (56:31):
and we look forward to, yeah.
Getting everyone to know youeven more on the interview
series.
Denice Buryn (56:37):
Absolutely.
I look forward to having you allcome.
Enjoy.
Thanks, Denice.
Learn.
Dr Nat Green (56:45):
Bye for now.
Denice Buryn (56:46):
Much love.
Dr Nat Green (56:51):
Thank you for joining me in this episode of
Growing Tall Poppies.
It is my deepest hope thattoday's episode may have
inspired and empowered you tostep fully into your
post-traumatic growth, so thatyou can have absolute clarity
around who you are, what mattersthe most to you, and to assist
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you to release your negativeemotions.
And regulate your nervous systemso you can fully thrive.
New episodes are published everyTuesday, and I hope you'll
continue to join us as weexplore both the strategies and
the personal qualities requiredto fully live a life of
(57:34):
post-traumatic growth and tothrive.
So if it feels aligned to youand really resonates, then I
invite you to hit subscribe andit would mean the world to us.
If you could share this episodewith others who you feel may
benefit too, you may also findme on Instagram at Growing Tall
(57:54):
Poppies and Facebook, Dr.
Natalie Green.
Remember, every moment is anopportunity to look for the
lessons and to learn andincrease your ability to live
the life you desire and deserve.
So for now, stay connected.
Stay inspired.
(58:15):
Stand tall like the tall poppyyou are, and keep shining your
light brightly in the world.
Bye for now
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