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We look at crisis through faith—what it is, how it feels, and how putting Christ at the center changes our choices. Real stories of work stress, grief, gratitude, and prayer show a practical path from impulse to peace.

• defining crisis across daily stress and deep loss
• boundaries, work ethic, and being the “go‑to” person
• doing hard tasks for God’s glory instead of approval
• why anger isn’t a tool that builds anything
• praying first and trusting God over impulse
• Exodus, gratitude, and spiritual amnesia
• grief, community support, and surrender
• money’s limits versus God’s comfort
• perspective on reach, impact, and faithful service

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unknown (00:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_04 (00:40):
Now she's got her headphones on.
She can't put her glasses on.
She can't see her headphones.
I can't.

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
I can't see my phone.
I can't her glasses are likematch her Bible to a T.

SPEAKER_05 (00:49):
Did you do that on purpose?
No, these are Dollar Treespecials.

SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 (00:52):
They're laying all over my house in case I can't
find them.

SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
We're on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
Well.
Well, how's everybody's week?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05):
Oh, lovely.
Lovely.
Lovely.
Yeah.
I actually got to mow almost allmy yard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Today or all week?

SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
Well, yesterday.
It seemed like it took me, itonly took me like uh four hours.
And I didn't even trim.
And I didn't even mow it all.
Of course I haven't mowed for ohI don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Like back in July.
For a while there.
I mean, nobody needed them.
Everything was dead.
And then we got a few rainshowers and everything just came
right back.
Do do what?

SPEAKER_05 (01:37):
You sure you weren't cutting hay?

SPEAKER_04 (01:38):
Well, I was gonna take and call uh uh what's his
name?
Uh uh uh uh uh uh Mr.
Edwards.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46):
Uh Edward Scissor Hands?

SPEAKER_04 (01:49):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Well you went like this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51):
Well, I was trying to collect the fingers.
I can't do that either.
Call him to see if you wanted tomake hay.
But yeah, yeah, because I I wentthrough a whole tank of gas.
Usually I can mow my home yardand still have gas left over.
Not much, but a little bit.
And I ran out and I didn't haveany more with me at home.

(02:12):
So So you had to finish whetheryou like that's that's
tomorrow's on tomorrow's agenda.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Well, I took my grandma to see Brandon Leake.

SPEAKER_04 (02:23):
Uh did she have a good time?

SPEAKER_01 (02:24):
Yes, it was so fun.
It was I mean, he puts on a goodshow.
Like it's obviously, you know,what we listen to and hear a
lot, and times ten, and yeah.
And she she's not used to likeand honestly, I I don't think
I've ever been to a concert umwhere they have like the
wristbands, and then they'lljust randomly blink different

(02:45):
colors, like dig, you know, andokay, so Mallory and her
boyfriend, they had bought theirtickets, oh gosh, back in last
year, I think.
And then back in June, she askedme if I would want to buy um
some tickets, you know, for mygrandma's birthday.
I'm like, Yeah, and you know, wecould split it.
So they took us to our seats andthen they left because they

(03:07):
went, they were like on levelone or something.
We were level three.
And whenever she sat down, shewas like, Hey, I uh did you guys
get like little um wristlets?
And I'm like, no.
And she's like, Oh, you shouldsee if you can get some.
So I went out and was looking,and I found someone who had one
on.
I'm like, hey, where did you getthis?
And she's like, Well, where wecame in at, you know, we got
those.

(03:27):
I'm like, oh man.
But you know, as soon as I Idon't know, it might have been
the first song or something, andthen all of a sudden the stadium
goes black or the arena goesblack, and all these lights just
start like fluorescent, andobviously when people have their
hands up worshiping, you can seethe lights, and it was really
neat.
Yeah, it was so neat.
And then there was one towardsthe end of the night, he was,

(03:50):
you know, asking if anyone hadrededicated their lives or um
you know been saved for thefirst time that night.
And all of the hands that hadthe bracelets on, like there
were a lot, but I'm sure thatthere was obviously more that
people that didn't havebracelets like I did that were
also had their hands up.
So there was a lot.
I mean, hundreds I would saythat you know held their hand

(04:12):
up.
So it was really neat though.
I mean where was that at?
Um, the Schottenstein Center inColumbus.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:20):
So grandma likes it, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:21):
And we got the me and her stayed in a hotel, so
that was fun.
Except we couldn't sleep well.
And honestly, I never realizedit, but hotel rooms are
apparently more dry.
Did you know that?
Because the cold air, like it'salways set at a low temperature.
And she woke up in the middle ofthe night, and then I woke up in
the middle of the night andcouldn't really fall, you know,

(04:41):
fall back asleep.
And she's like, Man, my mouth isjust so dry.
I'm like, well, my nose is dry,you know.
And um, I looked it up and sureenough, it's it's a hotel thing.
So but yeah, we got the we didthat and then we stopped like at
Shoemaker Foods in WestLafayette on the way home
because she went to a wedding.

(05:02):
Um, was it the day before that?
Yeah, day before that, she wentto a wedding and they had that
catered there, and she's like,Oh, that you know, the barbecue
sauce was to die for.
So we we stopped there and gotsome.
So it was a good weekend.

SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Good.

SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
You got to take your own pillow to the hotel.

SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
See, I love the sheets and pillows at hotel
room.
I don't know.
Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (05:23):
I love I don't bring my own pillow.

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
Yeah, can't sleep.
Done deal.

SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah.
I I can see that.
I'm I'm kind of the opposite,and I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Well, sometimes they give you like eight pillows.
They do, not a one of them isthe right, you know, firmness or
size.

SPEAKER_01 (05:39):
Seems like they're all kind of the same consistency
or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (05:42):
You know, if you try to double them up, it just
doesn't work.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
Beth, you got anything?
I do not.
No.
It's been a busy week.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
Actually, it's been a busy year.
I was just thinking about thattoday.
This has probably been thebusiest year of my life.
You think?
I think so.
Just I I just think back tobeginning of the year and
everything that's happened andeverything that we've tried to
accomplish, and yeah, of course,everything else that life throws
in there while you're trying to,you know, do it.

(06:17):
Life is what happens when you'rebusy making other plans.

SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah.
It starts tripping.

SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
It's just, you know.
Yeah.
I I think the last time I'velike sat down and watched TV was
like back in July.
I might have watched a Reds gameor something.
But yeah, I haven't even likesat down to watch TV.
Uh which might not be a badthing, but you know, just I
haven't sat still very long.

SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
Well, how long have you been putting the uh not
Christmas lights, the Halloweenlights up?

SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
Well, generally I start that Labor Day weekend and
it takes me till the first ofOctober.
So yeah, three, four weeks.
Yeah.
I'm busy doing that.
And then of course in two and ahalf weeks, everything will come
down.
I'll be getting ready forChristmas.
And that'll be all throughNovember.

SPEAKER_02 (06:59):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Until hopefully I always try to have it all done
by Thanksgiving night.
That's usually the first time Ilight it all up.

SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Ah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Um, so that's the goal.
Um, but yeah, so it's and itgets bigger every year.
You know.

SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
Whose fold's that?

SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
It's mine.
Okay.
Because uh, you know, everybodyenjoys it so much, but now I
feel the expectation.
And of course I want to keeppeople coming back.
So it's like I've got to havesomething new for them.
It can't be the same old, sameold.

SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
You know, and then you just you start going to
Lowe's and Home Depot, andbefore you know it, you're in
trouble.
Because you're like, we're notgonna buy anything this year.
And then there's alwayssomething it's like we gotta
have that.
It's new, it's new, yeah, newand improved.
But then once you get it home,you're like, where am I gonna
put them?

SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Listen, I was we were on our way back from
Columbus and we took TrentonAvenue just to go to my house,
and I we passed, you know,somewhat past your house, and I
was like, Oh, geez, Nick,because you've got those huge
blow-up things.

SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
Like, how tall are those things?
Those are 20 foot.
Oh my god.
So there's three of them at 20foot.
Uh and of course that's in theneighbor's yard, mine.
That's what I thought.
That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
Well, she likes it, she enjoys it.
So she's like, Yeah, go ahead,use as much of the yard as you
want, which was probably theworst thing she could have said.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, green light, go.

SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
No, I I was telling my grandma, I'm like, Yeah, he,
you know, I think she might havesaid something about adding
every year or something.
And I'm like, Yeah, not like mydad.
My dad will he never used to putout Christmas lights, but now he
he's started.
But it's literally he'll buylike one strand a year.
He's like, Oh, I'm gonna addanother strand to go, you know,
around the gutters.

(08:34):
I'm like, well, Nick's goinglike I'm gonna get, yeah, sure,
he might do one thing a year,but your one thing a year was 20
feet.
Yeah, 20 feet high.

SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Yeah.
Well, the one this year was theit's a skeleton, and he's we saw
him at Lowe's, and he's 20 footand he's waving.
I said, I gotta have that forthe end of the display because
he's waving to everybodygoodbye.

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Like, yeah, again.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Does he actually move?
Well, you know, when the windblows, then his little hand will
go.
Oh.
So it really does look like he'swaving.
Is it a blow up?
It's a big blow-up, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:07):
I thought maybe it was one of them solid uh solid
boned uh Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
We have one of those.

SPEAKER_04 (09:13):
Oh, do you?

SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
Yeah.
Um I think you you need a wholefamily of them.
Yeah, some people.
There's a place over here inDenison, I don't know if you've
seen it, but it's all skeletons.
And it it's crazy how many theyhave.
And it gets bigger every year.
They keep adding more.

SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Are they blow ups?

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
No, they're the like he's talking about, the hard
body, you know, poseable.

SPEAKER_01 (09:32):
Mm-hmm.
There was a house in WestLafayette when we stopped at
that store that was like that,it was like in a carriage.
There was one in a like a horseand buggy carriage.

SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Yeah, so yeah.
So that's neat.

SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Here Paige is flipping.
I'm flipping too.
Yeah, you're flipping.
I'm trying to find there it is.
All right.
Um, Nick, do you want to?

SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah, so we're gonna talk about putting Christ in
crisis.
So let me ask a question.
So when you think of the wordcrisis, well in your mind,
what's a crisis to you?
Because obviously I think forthere's different levels of
crisis.
What might be crisis to you?
Could be something I might lookat and go, that's not really

(10:17):
that.
Yeah, not really.
What are you getting so excitedabout?

SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Right.
I feel like it's almost likelife-altering or like almost
makes you I don't know, likemakes your life harder for a I
don't know, good amount of time,you know, a couple months or
something, or just stops you inyour tracks.
Like, I I mean, I don't think acrisis is, you know, going to

(10:40):
McDonald's and they put onionson my Big Mac and I said no
onions.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's definitely not acrisis.

SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
Yeah, but that's a crisis to someone.
That's what I'm saying.
That's yeah, exactly.
Yes, to somebody that couldcompletely ruin their day.
Yeah, yeah, they're yeah, setoff a chain of events that they
can't control.

SPEAKER_01 (10:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
All over onions.

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
And then again, there's people who they could
lose their job.
Yeah.
And they might be go, oh well,I'll find another one.
Yeah, and before you're notgoing to be able to be somebody
else that just like that's gonnajust destroy their whole world.

SPEAKER_01 (11:16):
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, if I lost my joblike unexpectedly, yeah, I'd
probably consider that.
That could cause a crisis, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
But some people that don't have a good work ethic or
don't care for vacations.
Yeah, or you know, I don't know,don't care about yeah, certain
things or just take advantage ofthe systems, like they're just
gonna be like, oh, there's somefree unemployment, and then you
get denied, and now what, youknow?

SPEAKER_04 (11:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
Like then it's a crisis.

SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (11:47):
Yeah, what's a crisis to you, Beth?

SPEAKER_05 (11:52):
Something that can't be fixed.
I mean a loss of a loved one.

SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
Can't be fixed with money.

SPEAKER_05 (11:58):
Can't be fixed with money.
That's Jarvis thing.
Yeah.
It's not a problem if money canfix it.

SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sometimes for me a crisis canjust feel like, yeah, something
that's happened unexpectedly,but also it's something that has
to be resolved quickly.

SPEAKER_02 (12:17):
Mm-hmm.

unknown (12:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
So you didn't see it coming, but now you have the
responsibility, you have tohandle it, and you have to
handle it quickly.

SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Yes.
Like you don't have time tomeditate and think and ask.

SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Like you have to you have to come up with an answer.
Right.
And you have to figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 (12:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
You know, because you got a lot right, either it's
in your job or somethingpersonal.
Um, everybody's looking to youto solve it.
You know, sometimes you're onyour own with those things.
Oh yeah.
Like it's whatever the crisisis, it's been put on you, and
you gotta be the one to figureit out.
And people have expectations.
So, and you don't want to letanybody down.

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You know, you don't wanna, youdon't for me, it's like I never
want to look like I failed.
So that can feel like a crisis.

SPEAKER_01 (13:06):
And whether they like whether someone wants to
admit it or not that they haveexpectations on you, you you can
feel it and you know it.
Like they can say, Oh, I wasn'texpecting you to, you know, do
that or find that, find a newjob right away.
Or you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, I mean you don'thave to say it, but like, you
know, I know your demeanor.

SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Well, you know, and it can be like people can have
all the faith in you in theworld, but they still are like,
Oh man, are you gonna get itdone?
You bring it up.
Are you gonna are you gonna comeup with an answer for this?
So even though you might havesolved a crisis a hundred times,
each crisis is like, you know,it's brand new.
Like people are looking to youagain to see, like, okay, can

(13:47):
you fix this one too?
Is he gonna do it again?

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
It's funny that you're bringing this up because
I was kind of talking to mytherapist about I know I was
fully talking to my therapistabout this the other day.
Um, because it's like I havesuch an attitude about stuff
that, like, okay, whatever, I'lldo it.
Like, to where now I thinkthere's certain people that
might be using that against me,or not even using it against me,

(14:13):
but like you know, it's ifsomething's yes, taking
advantage.
Like, if something's not a bigdeal for me, I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
But it's rather than give it to somebody who doesn't
have a full plate, yeah, mayhave the time to do it, they're
still gonna give it to you.

SPEAKER_01 (14:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
Even though you might be juggling these five
other things.

SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Exactly.
Just because I don't want togive it to Sid because Sid's
done it before and she has anattitude, and it's like it's not
even work-related, like it'sjust like a relationship I have
with someone, and I'm like, man,you know, I never really
realized that.
So it's like I have to kind ofset boundaries.
I can even set those boundariesin a playful way, but I need to
set those boundaries that wayI'm not getting offended myself

(14:54):
or upset.
And it's like, I don't know,just it was eye-opening, and it
was kind of crazy that you saidthat.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Well, that's how I feel a lot of the time.
Yeah, it's just like, yep.
I if somebody gives me aresponsibility, then I'm like,
oh, it's my responsibility.

SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Yeah, I'll do it.
I had no desire or intention todo it.

SPEAKER_01 (15:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Like once it's been placed on me, it's like, well, I
guess it's mine.
And I don't, you know, I don'twant to fail.
It's just when I first startedworking, and this is what drives
me crazy about a lot of youngkids, and when I first started
working, one of my mainmotivations was I never wanted
anybody to say that I couldn'tdo something, or that I wasn't

(15:35):
capable, or I was, you know,afraid to do it, or just wasn't,
you know, just that I failed.
I didn't want anybody to say,well, yep, yeah, you can do
that.

SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
And a lot of times with these young kids, they're
like, I don't think they care.
Like, I watch a lot of youngpeople who who work with me, and
it's like they they couldn'tcare less if somebody has
something negative to say abouttheir work ethic.

SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:58):
And I'm like, I just can't complain.
I can't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
Yeah, especially because like if if someone
doesn't have anything bad to sayabout my work ethic, and
particularly maybe they havegood things to say about my work
ethic, that only means that it'sonly up from there, and you
know, maybe I'll get a raise andthen maybe or a promotion and
then a raise and so on and soforth.
Like that that's just my way ofthinking.

(16:22):
Not I don't know, not like, oh,I don't care what this person
thinks.
Cause yeah, sometimes I wish Ihad that mentality of I don't
care what this person thinks.

SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
But when it comes into the workplace, like I've
even tried it because there'scertain things that I know are
not particularly my job.
Like if you if you look at myjob description, what's been
written out for me, what I'vebeen hired to do, there are
certain things that I go out ofbounds to do, not only to help
the company, but also because Iknow any end, it's all coming

(16:50):
back to me anyway.
So if I don't do it, it'sprobably gonna make my end of
things harder.
Yep.
Um so a lot of times it's likeI'll go above and beyond.
But you know, there's times whenI've been frustrated and be
like, you know what, I'm notgonna do that anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
If they don't appreciate it or if they're not
willing to work with me also,yeah, then I'm just not gonna do
that anymore.
And I'll sit back.
Yes, but you have pride in whatyou're doing.

SPEAKER_01 (17:11):
And then you'll see the fire starting.

SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
And no one's like already taking it out.
Yeah.
I'm anxious.
Like, yeah, I can't do it.
It's I'm not capable of justsaying, hey, let them figure it
out.
Hey, let let the house fall downon them.
I don't care.
Yep.
I just I can't do it.
Just it's not how I'm built.
So it makes it can make anxietyand crisis, you know, elevate

(17:36):
sometimes to a point where it'sI'm putting more on myself than
than perhaps other people are.
Like I expect more out of myselfthan anybody else would.
Yeah.
So it's like I can I won't say Ifall into crisis more, but maybe
I do because I trip into itbecause you're still kind of

(17:58):
being careful, but then it's ithappens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (18:02):
I think when it's work related, we all have our
work ethic and we know what wewant done and how we want it
done, and then when we have goodwork ethic, people expect that
out of us all the time.
And then you know, like yousaid, that they're not gonna do
it, but it's just gonna mess upmy day if it does if I it's not
done.
So I'll just step in and do it.
And then they just becomedependent.

SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
Yeah, and they think, oh, he'll do it again.

SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:28):
So yeah.
And sometimes you think,eventually, I'm gonna be a good
example, and somebody's gonnacatch on and see, well, this is
what he does, so I'm gonna dothat too.
That rarely happens, if thatworks.
Yeah.
But sometimes that I think thatway, like, well, eventually, you
know, these younger kids they'llthey'll look up to me.

(18:48):
They'll be like, hey, he's gotthe right idea.

SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Yeah, but then there's there's some that you're
like, okay, they've been herefor four years and they still
haven't seen any progress.

SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Yeah, right.
Yeah, they have not they havenot advanced at all.

unknown (19:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
And that's frustrating.

SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
Because then you know, yes, you do have to take
on more crisis than anybodyelse.

SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
So big thing for me is just, you know, no matter
what I'm doing, it's I'm trying,I'm trying to find Jesus in it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
Or showing Jesus in it.

SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Showing Jesus in it.
And um instead of saying,instead of focusing on, oh, I
gotta do this for this humanbeing or for this company or for
this, you know, earthly reason.
The only thing that I reallyshould be doing it for is for
the glory of God.

SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
And that helps me a lot.
Just you know, because there'sjust a lot of people who are
like, ah, don't do that, don'tyou know.
There's just a lot of people whodiscourage you to to handle
handle a problem or take onsomething.
And sometimes it's very easythen to take that in and say,

(20:04):
Yep, they're right, you know,I'm just I'm just gonna sit back
too and uh not not give ahundred percent.
But when I look at it throughthat lens, through, well, how is
what is God gonna think of myeffort?
And if I'm giving it all myeffort to Him to glorify Him,
then whatever I'm doing, itmakes it makes that crisis uh

(20:30):
gives it meaning, I suppose.
Um and it just it gives me asense of uh you know peace or
peace and pride and um that thatyeah, I I can do this through
Christ.
And I I'm not doing it for anyother reason.
Um so that that's how that's howI tackle a lot of that's how I

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talk tackle a lot of mundanethings that I do and this is and
this is you know, raise my handbeing honest.
There's just a lot of things Idon't want to do.

SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yeah, mm-hmm for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
There's just a lot of things you have to do on a
daily basis.
I'm like, I just really don'twant to do this.

SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
And I mean, I think that's our flesh in us, or even
just you know yeah.
I mean Yeah, I think we're alllike that more times than not.
Even whenever we don't want tobe, like you said, like we're
trying to give it all to him andthe glory to God, but yeah.
I mean it's easier said thandone.

(21:33):
I was kind of looking at it umwhen you brought up this subject
about putting Christ in crisis,about like the world right now,
and it just seems like howthere's kind of revivals going
right now, or or hopefully, youknow, and I don't know.
That's kind of where my mindwent whenever you were bringing

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it up.
Just even like you know, CharlieKirk, like I feel like with
that, you know, that kind ofsparks something, and I don't
know, but then it sparkedsomething, but then it kind of
died down, like you said lastweek.

SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
So Yep, and that's you know, and that's that's the
basic, you know, understandingwe all have to have is yeah,
passions you know rise whensomething like this happens.
But eventually we all have to goback to living our lives.

SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Yeah, emotions get upset.

SPEAKER_00 (22:25):
Back down to business, and that's when you're
really truly sorting out who youare with God.

SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Is because yeah, you you can't you can't hang on to
that moment or that passionforever.
You just you know, that's to methat's not healthy.
You know, you you can't be onfire in in that sense all the
time.
Yeah.
You know, because most of thetime that means to me, uh that
tells me like you're eitherangry or um consumed, and you

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you don't know how to find thepeace in the things that have
happened in the world inreality.
And and then you really do haveto sort out where you are with
gl God for everything that'shappened.
Like, you know, I think you canread through everything that's
happened with that, I think youcan read where people are with
the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Um because a lot of people mean well when they're
when they're angry.

SPEAKER_01 (23:25):
Yes, compassionate, you know, they mean well.

SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
You know, they're they're there's a they're
they're I mean, clearly ahundred percent they're behind
God.

SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
They're they're they're on that side.
But you could tell there's a lotof things perhaps they haven't
figured out yet, like anger,like they haven't learned to
control their self-control, youknow, and um and they think
that's that's a way to solvethings is to attack the other
side.
And they're going to that's theway that they're going to go

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about this, um until until theygrow more with the Lord and
really get more in the word andfigure out that okay, anger is
not one of the Lord's weapons.
That's not one of, you know,it's not that's that's not in
our as we've talked about beforewhen we talk about our our tool
belt, you know, that that's notin it.

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Um that's not gonna help usgrow, and it's not gonna help us
grow our relationship with Him.
So you know, pe people have toum eventually you do have to sit
back after something like thisand be like, okay, you know, I I
need to really sit back and say,okay, what have I learned from
this?
Um and where do I need toimprove?

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Um and that's obviously not the what we're
taught our subject tonight, butum, I think if you do that, then
you might not be in so muchcrisis all the time.

SPEAKER_01 (24:51):
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
Because I think we can be we can create our own
crisis.

SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Yeah.
And um like if you're constantlygoing to him in prayer, or even
yeah, just having that dialogue.

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Or just having an understanding in the moment
that, you know, um you have toyou know, you have to trust God.
You have to trust God with themoment.
You can't try to control it allyourself.

SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
You know, you can't try to throw anger at somebody
and think that's gonna most ofthe time, you know, that that's
not the way we're gonna bringpeople to our side.
You know, and that's what weshould be that's what we should
be interested in bringing about.
Not trying to drive them fartheraway from us because of who they
are or they don't quite agreewith us.
No, we should still be trying tofind a way to bring them closer

(25:37):
to us so we can get them to theother side.
Yeah, like the goal.

SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
Like Jason DeFord, do you know who that is?

SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
That's jelly roll.
Oh, okay.
But he said they've heard ofJesus.
Now you need to show them Jesus,you know?

SPEAKER_00 (25:50):
Yeah, everybody's heard of Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Yeah, he's a stranger to nobody.
No, no, uh do they know him.

SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
No, very few people, excuse me, very few people do.
Um and that's I really got intoExodus, and of course, we all
know the story of you know, uh,Moses and parting the Red Sea.
And of course, you know, um justpeople were full of doubt.

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You know, no matter uh how farhe took them and how many
miracles, you know, God waswilling to show them and how
many trials he he had got themthrough, they they get to that
point, you know, where theEgyptians are on their heels.
And of course, what do they do?
They start complaining again anddoubting the Lord and doubting
Moses and thinking, is this whyyou brought us all the way out

(26:43):
here?
You should have just left usback here so they could kill us
all.
That would have been easier thanwhat you're putting us through
now.
Um and so if you're looking atit from God's perspective, it's
always like how many more timescan I show you?
Yeah, you know, that if you havefaith in me, no, yeah, you're

(27:04):
still gonna.
I never told you your trialswere gonna come to an end.
But what I have tried to showyou is when you do have trial,
when you are in crisis, I'mgonna be here.

SPEAKER_01 (27:14):
Yes.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
If you allow me to, if you make me part of it, if if
you you have faith in me, thenI'll lead the way.
I'll show you the way.
Even it meant, you know, partingof the sea.

SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
You know, we'll get it done.
Even take something miraculous,if you truly believe in me, if
you have total faith in me andwilling to trust me, yeah, then
your crisis will will not be invain.
It won't be something you justhave to go through uh and all
you experience is pain and lossand confusion.
No, you will come out of it comeout of it uh, you know, uh a

(27:53):
better person.
You'll you'll come out of itwith more knowledge, more
wisdom, more discernment.

SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
I have something to say about I've I have 1
Thessalonians 5, 18 that I'vehad, you know, was on the topic
or just on my mind for thistopic.
It says, and everything givethanks, for this is the will of
God in Christ Jesus.
So it's like with Moses, all theIsraelites, like countless

(28:18):
times, you know, them turningtheir back and all the things
like and just moseying aroundand complaining, like they
should have been giving thanks.
And it's like, nope, here theywere, just me.
And like, no, they should havebeen given thanks, just like we
should be giving thanks wheneverwe're in these crises.

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And it's again easier said thandone, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
But well, and think about it, Exodus is pretty early
on in the early stages.
Uh and I'm sure, you know, a lotof those Israelites personally
witnessed the parting of the RedSea, had been through it, had
watched the walls of the searise up above them and they walk
straight through it.
And then you get to the otherchapters in the Bible with the

(29:02):
Israelites, and it's like, didyou not see that?
Like, what more proof would youneed?

SPEAKER_01 (29:08):
Yeah, that they just moan and groan.
And that he's going to do itagain.

SPEAKER_00 (29:12):
Like I mean, but you know, and but that's that's the
important thing, is like peopleare still that way.
People have not changed sincebiblical times when it comes to
yeah, God can get you through somany things, and then when you
get to the next bump in theroad, it's like you just have
amnesia.
You've you've totally forgotten.

SPEAKER_04 (29:33):
You forgot what happened the last time when you
were in this crisis.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
So I think sometimes, you know, it's like,
yeah, you'll go through crisis,whether of your own free will,
or sometimes maybe, yeah, I amtrying to put you some through
something to give you pain tohelp you grow.
And and it's up to us the nexttime that we face that to go,
okay, I'm gonna show my growthhere through this crisis.

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And instead of it being a nineor a ten, you know, this one's
only gonna be a three or fourbecause I'm gonna be able to
handle it.
I'm gonna be able to take what Ilearned.
What I've learned uh you know,I've and applied.
I've learned to trust the Lordmore from what he's done in my
life.
Yep.
And so when other things comeup, I'm gonna put him first.
Yep.

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Before I start complaining to myfriends, before I start
complaining to my family, beforeI start cussing to myself, you
know, about whatever it is, it'slike, no, you should be directly
talking to the Lord.

SPEAKER_05 (30:35):
Yes.
Shift our focus on Christ.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
I mean, that's what we have to do.
It has to be almost has to be onautopilot.
That's the way I look at it.
It has to be, you know, it'slike you're riding the
motorcycle and Jesus is in thatfunny cart with you.

SPEAKER_01 (30:51):
With his robes blowing in the wind.

SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
Like you just you can't, you know, American
Express.
Use your American Express card.
Don't leave home without him.

SPEAKER_02 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:00):
Uh that's the way it has to be.
It has to be autopilot.
And that doesn't mean people canhear me say that and go, Oh,
well, I guess that means younever get angry.
That means you never getworried.
Oh, that means you never, youknow, have a bad day.
No, that doesn't that is notwhat I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 (31:15):
No, not at all.
But when you do have those baddays, you have him to lean on.
You do, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
And and you and you you get wisdom out of it.
Yes.
You just do.
You you just learn that, youknow.
It it I think it really meanssomething when you show God your
strength and what you've learnedand how you've grown.
And because then he knows, like,yeah, you you're getting it.
You have faith, you appreciateit, you know, uh, and you're

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giving the glory back to me.
You know, you're not, like Isaid, you're not uh calling your
girlfriends up on the phone andtelling them, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (31:54):
She hears it usually first.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
I might talk to him be like, dude, can you believe
this?
And then uh it's like as you'redialing Dawn, all right, God,
hear me out.
I'm gonna talk to both of younow.

SPEAKER_05 (32:08):
We'll put you on uh three-way both she grounds me
pretty quick.

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
Yeah, and that's and that's okay, yeah, because in
your case, you're going to theright person.

SPEAKER_05 (32:21):
But not all those ones that you don't, though.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
Oh yeah, right.
But in your case, I mean you cansay like, okay, yeah, I know I'm
gonna vent to her, but at theend of this, she's the right if
I'm gonna vent anybody, youknow, on earth, you know, you're
you're you know.
Yep.
I think because of your wisdomand because of your face, you
know who to talk to.

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Yeah.
Like your your default choice isBeth, but it's not Beth.
Dawn, but you know, I almostfeel like it is default because
you know that that's what youneed, and you know that she does
give you only good wisdom, youknow.
Yeah, like you're not going tosomeone else who's just going to
spew it all over the place andtell you what you want to hear.

(33:05):
Like because yeah, that's a loteasier sometimes.
Oh, she doesn't.
Yeah.
I believe you.

SPEAKER_05 (33:11):
Sometimes she just, I mean, she just she makes you
stop and reevaluate it andthat's gonna we're gonna pray
about this.
And you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
Yeah, we had a guy at work that I mean he was just
uh we would talk a little bit.
And after Charlie Kirk waskilled, he's like, you know, I
really need to get my family inchurch, and as a lot of people
have been doing.
But he was just very unhappywith his job, and some of it I
could see he's probablyjustified in, some of it not.
There's some things that Ibelieve that he would do to kind

(33:45):
of create his own problems,sure.
Right.
Um because believe it or not,that but like I would just I
would just try to have apositive conversation with him,
and he was just alwaysthreatening to quit, just you
know.
Well, I went on vacation and itwas three days I was gone.
And he quit and uh my uh uhnephew Samuel he went with us.

(34:10):
Well, he works with me, and uhhe gets a text, he's like, hey,
you know, so and so just quit,and I'm like, I'm thinking, I
wasn't there to talk him fromthe ledge, you know.
Uh but that's but that's not onyou.
No, it's not on me.
But but again, I'm gonna guessthat maybe, and I had heard like

(34:35):
he had talked to some otherpeople, and they said, Well, if
you're gonna quit, just quit.
No, if you feel like that's whatyou need to do, whereas you
wouldn't have and just got himin that right mindset to where
he's like, Okay, yep, I'm gonnagive him my keys and I'm walking
out of here today.
They that got him revved up,going in the wrong direction.
Instead of having somebody say,I realize you're not happy,

(34:55):
yeah, and you have every reasonto feel that way, and you have
all the right in the world to gofind another job if you're not
happy.
But the last thing you want todo is just up and quit.

SPEAKER_02 (35:04):
Be job.

SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
Because because there's yeah, there's so many
consequences to that.
Um if if you're trying to getthat next job and somebody sees
that you just up and quit, ifthey call the company for a
reference, they're like, Well,you just never came back the
next day.

SPEAKER_01 (35:19):
They're gonna have questions.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:21):
They're gonna have questions about that.
Um, yeah, you've got a family,all of a sudden you don't have a
job.
You know, that that's yeah, youknow, what are you gonna do?
What's your answer to that?
So a lot of times in crisis,people can make these very quick
decisions, thinking and feelingand being led to make a decision

(35:42):
that feels right in that moment.
Because I'm sure when he handedthe keys in, it felt good to
finally say, I've had enough,I'm not taking your Yeah, I'm
sure it did, but then you get inthe truck and you're like, Oh,
but that's only gonna Yeah,that's only gonna last so long.
As as I said, the passion, theanger, all that, you cannot hang

(36:04):
on to that.
That is not going to carry youthrough a situation.
Nope.
You have to gonna come back downto reality and face what you've
done.
And a lot of times you're like,oh, yeah, felt good for a few
seconds, but now what am I gonnado?
Unless you can like I think wesaid it last week, unless you
can be like George Costanza andjust walk back into work today

(36:25):
like you didn't quit and hopeeverybody didn't notice didn't
take you seriously, gonna havebad consequences.

SPEAKER_05 (36:33):
Yep.
That kind of takes me to maybeI'm not understanding this verse
completely, but Proverbs wheream I at?
Three, five, and six.
Trust in the Lord with all yourheart.
Do not depend on your ownunderstanding.
Seek his will in all you do, andhe will show you which path to
take.
If we depend on our ownunderstanding, we do things like

(36:54):
that.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:55):
We're always on we're always on the wrong path.

SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
You know, we'll we'll make that because I think
a decision because it's based onemotion, I feel a lot of times.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Yep.
And that's just and it's it'svery human, it's easy to do.
And without the Lord, that'swhat we're gonna do.
Yep.
We're gonna, you know, if youhave him on autopilot, okay.
You more often than not, you'regonna counsel him before you do
something.
When you're out of relationship,then all you have to fall back
on is all your human traits.

(37:27):
And most of the time, let's faceit, our human traits just don't
get us through much.

SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 (37:33):
You know, it just doesn't.
You know, and maybe somebodysay, Well, we have the natural
ability to be happy, um, to togo to work, you know, to labor.
Yeah, we do, we do have thosenatural abilities.
But I can personally say, likeas I said, there's a lot of

(37:53):
things if I just if I just wentwith who I am, I'd be like,
there'd be a lot of stuff I justwouldn't do.
I just wouldn't.
Because I don't want to do it.
Like if if I just went on my ownselfish, you know, urges and
what I want to do, it'd be like,I wouldn't do that.
I wouldn't, you know, why wouldI, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
That'd be like me buying paper plates and not even
having any other plates, but Iknow it's bad for the economy.
Not the economy, for the world,for the earth, the environment.
So I guess I'll just and it'slike, wow, silly me.
Have a dishwasher, put them inthe dishwasher, you know?

SPEAKER_04 (38:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
But yeah, it'd be like that.

SPEAKER_04 (38:32):
Just like our Do you ever see what paper plates look
like when you put them in adishwasher?

SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
No, did you do that?
No, but No, no, it wouldn't be apretty sight.

SPEAKER_00 (38:43):
No, I no, I'm just saying, like, you know, a normal
reuse these paper plates.
Well, that wasn't a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 (38:52):
Maybe styrofoam will do the trick.
I bet's worse than that.

SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
I bet you there's people out there that wash paper
plates.

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Oh, yeah, I thought.

SPEAKER_05 (39:03):
There's gotta be people out there who's my
grandmother used to hang herpaper towels up to dry to reuse.
Oh, really?
Yeah, oh no.

SPEAKER_04 (39:12):
Yeah.
Well plastic silverware.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (39:18):
My best one when she would offer you a cup of tea.
I'd say.
Got any new tea bags?
Oh.
She believed in using them agood many a times.
But she grew up in the defense,that's what I was about to say.

SPEAKER_00 (39:34):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (39:36):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Yeah.
Well, they have a good excuse.
We'll let those people slide.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
Yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Yeah.

unknown (39:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
Talk about crisis.

SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
Yeah.
And that's the thing.
You know, a lot of things thatwe think about is a crisis.
We have no idea.
Yeah.
You know.
No.
I can't, you know.
Can you imagine living throughthe depression?
Mm-mm.
If you were, you know.

unknown (40:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
No.
I mean, like I said, we we thinkso many things are a crisis.
So many things like, what am Igonna do now?
Or even like thinking feel soinconvenienced.

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Yeah, like thinking about like my grandma, not not
the one you guys know, but myother one.
I think she walked half mile tothe school bus and then half
mile back.
Like that was just theireveryday thing.
Like if you gave that to a kidnow, oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (40:27):
I gotta walk through the corner.

SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
You know, yeah, yeah.
Like, or I have to ride the bus.
Like that's a crisis to them,you know?

SPEAKER_00 (40:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:35):
Like just baffling.

SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
Oh yeah.

unknown (40:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
You know, and you you don't you don't want anybody
to like uh you don't want yourkids to go through anything like
that.

SPEAKER_01 (40:46):
Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
And you don't want anybody ever placed in one of
those situations.
Like so maybe they'll know thedifference.
But you know, and but I'vealways said and I look at kids
like, you know, adversity is isnot a bad word.
Today it's such a bad word.
You say adversity, it's like itbuilds character.
It does.
Yeah.
But you know, you put kids, youknow, you put people through

(41:07):
anything nowadays.
It's like, oh, you know, justhow dare you?
Yeah, this isn't healthy.
It's just like, no, you youyou've gotta have you've gotta
have crisis in your life inorder to be able to grow and
handle things and haveperspective and and the ability
to help others.

SPEAKER_01 (41:25):
Yeah, and like to grow, I sh I strongly think like
it helps certain people growtheir relationship with Christ
because you that's when you'releaning on him the most and
that's when you start to trusthim because you're like, all
right, God, this is I don't knowwhat to do from here.

SPEAKER_00 (41:39):
Yeah, or I'm I'm giving it down to you on your
own.

SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:43):
You know, I just can't do it on my own anymore.
That's a big thing I hear how alot of people I've heard a lot
of people when they finally prayand shout out to the Lord that a
lot of times they'll say, Ican't do this on my own anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
And people just realize, like, yeah, you just
it's it's too much of a burdento bear without the Lord to lean
on.
Yeah.
You know, I've tried it my way adozen different times and a
dozen different ways, and it allcomes back to the same.

SPEAKER_05 (42:16):
I think the crisis when uh my stepson was killed,
Jarvey and I weren't marriedyet, um was a big time.
Well, it was a big time.
He got saved, and I, you know,dedicated my life back to the
Lord.
But I I can remember it wasDecember 30th, and I had a gas

(42:37):
furnace, and I was freezing, andI wrapped my blanket around me
and sat down on that register.
So I was holding all that heatin and just crying out to him,
God help me.
Yep.
I don't know what to do to fixthis.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And he gave me the strength tobe strong because Jarve needed
to be strong.
You know, yeah.

(42:58):
Eleven years prior to that, he'dburied his wife.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (43:03):
Yeah, that's hard.
And and then, you know, thenthrough everything and the
people from the church in PortWashington that we didn't know
those people.
But Jarve's um Tyler's aunt onhis mom's side of the family
went to that church and Dawn, Ithink Dawn was gone at that time

(43:26):
too, down there.
They all came to the funeralhome and were really there and
prayed with us, and and that'swhat got us in church.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Yeah, because I mean they didn't have to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (43:38):
They didn't know you, you know, and not at all.
Yep.

unknown (43:41):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (43:41):
And Tyler hadn't been in that church.
He went when he was little, buthe hadn't been in there for
years.

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
Now, how old was Tyler when his brother had
passed?
13.
Yeah, so you you know, then yougot, you know, you lost a
brother, lost mom, and likeJarve's like got I mean, you
were in his life, but you'relike, ah, still kind of getting
your feet wet.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, how do IYeah, I don't want to overstep,

(44:08):
but I want to be there for bothof them.

SPEAKER_05 (44:10):
And yeah, that's that's hard.
Yeah.
And then just and Jarve drank alot then.
So that was his only coping methmechanism.
And I'm like, God, we gotta dosomething here.
You know, and that came to astop after he got saved.

(44:34):
But it was one of those when yousay cry out, that's that's I
mean, I remember it.
I remember it clearly.
I can even tell you what blanketI had wrapped around me.
But I couldn't fix it and Ididn't know how to fix it.

SPEAKER_04 (44:53):
But you had to be the instrument that started the
repair.

SPEAKER_05 (44:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
Yep.
Yeah.
And that's a that and that's agood point.
Is sometimes we're not supposedto we're not supposed to be the
ones that repair it.
Now, yes, you're supposed to bean instrument in that.

SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
Right.
But yeah, it's not all lean,it's not all the you know Yeah,
like you weren't asking to bethe fixer, you just wanted to
start something.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
You just wanted to save himsomehow.

SPEAKER_00 (45:23):
Yeah, you just want to be in the band, you want to
be the lead singer, you justwant to be in the band.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And uh, you know, God is thelead singer.
Yeah.
Um you always want to be aninstrument, anything, but still
at the end of the day, you st itstill starts with him.
Like you said, you had to youhad to cry out to him.

SPEAKER_05 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:44):
Yeah, you gotta give it up to him.

SPEAKER_05 (45:46):
And I think at that point in life when Jarve come to
the concl that's where hislittle saying comes from.
If money can fix it, it's not aproblem.
Whether you have a money or not.

SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:57):
It is true.

SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (45:58):
You know, even if you don't have the money to fix
it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:00):
Right.
Yeah.
Cause money in itself can justfeel money is a constant crisis.

SPEAKER_05 (46:06):
Yeah.
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (46:07):
It really is.
Even when you're doing well,then you're then you're thinking
about, well, now what can we do?
Because we got more money.
And then most most human beingswill be like, okay, well, yeah,
well then let's buy a new car.
Let's uh let's uh let's remodel.
Let's if we know it, then yougot another loan.
You got stressors with that.
And it creates another crisis uhthat you stress about.

(46:31):
Um so money never solvesanything.
No.
I mean, yeah, it's not bad tohave it uh if used in the right
way.

SPEAKER_05 (46:40):
Um but it's again, you should never lean on a
death, a a terminal illness.
Those are crisis because itdoesn't matter how much money
you have in the change.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
Yep.
And something like thatgenerally takes all the money
that you have, anything that yousaved.
Yeah, yep.
Um like in our case when youknow my mom got sick, it was
like uh my brother, my sister,and I, we all had a small
college fund started, thanks toyou know, my mom's brother and
just you know trying to get usoff on the right foot.

(47:15):
And all that was gone.
You know, because they had youknow so many bills for the
Cleveland Clinic and things likethat.
And then, you know, my mom,along with her brother, they
owned a lot of land over by thebowling alley.
That was gone because they hadto sell it so she could keep we
could keep paying the bills.
Uh the the home we lived in,gone.

(47:36):
Yeah, you know, uh they couldn'tkeep up with the payments
anymore, so they had to moveinto a small double white on
land that belonged to a familymember so so that they could,
you know, save money.
And and so, yeah, so you know, asickness like that, you know,
can destroy your whole world.
Everything that you know, youknow, everything that you've
planned on.
Yeah.

(47:57):
Uh I can do that.
Um, and the only thing you'regonna have left is just Christ.

SPEAKER_02 (48:05):
Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 (48:07):
That's all you're gonna have.
Yep.
Because any any earthly gain oryou know, property, money,
anything like that's not no,it's not gonna that stuff's not
gonna comfort you in a time likethat.
It just doesn't.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
It gives you and for the people that are like, oh
yeah, well, you know, I'm toostrong for that, and I I'm never
gonna give in because that'sjust uh give in to Jesus or give
in to the Christian life becauseI'm you know I'm mentally
stronger than that, and this andthat, it's like okay.
I don't know why you have thatattitude because if I'm if I'm

(48:46):
wrong, I'm in a a box six feetunder.
But if I'm right, yeah, if I amright, and like what do you what
do you lose?
Your your self, like I don'tknow, your self-pride that
you're not strong enough orsomething, like perhaps and
you're out your outward imagetoo.
Yeah, but then once you do, youknow, turn over your life and

(49:08):
realize wow, you know, this isthis is what I've been missing
out on.
Like, well, thank God I turnedit over.
Like then that self-pride'sgone, you know?
Like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:21):
Yeah, the older you get, no, like I said, I was
fairly after my mom got sick, Iwas a teenager when I bought my
first Bible, you know, and I'mreading it.
And it and it's that time Ithought I understood it, you
know.
But now that I'm 45, man, that'sa completely different
perspective of when it was whenI first started reading it.

(49:43):
Um and I assume that it willcontinue to be that way.
When I'm 60, I expect it to beeven greater, a greater
understanding.
Um and it's not, yeah, and it'snot a I guess it's hard to
explain, it's hard not to defineit as a crutch.

(50:04):
And maybe that's to your pointwhere people's like, oh, I'm too
strong for that.
I don't need the Lord in my lifebecause I don't want to be able
to do that.
Well, I'm gonna guess most ofthe time that's somebody who has
not I don't want to say beentested yet, but who has been
lucky enough not to reallyexperience anything that hard in
their life that you know thatthat money couldn't solve.

(50:25):
Right.
Or, you know, that their ownphysical body couldn't solve.
Um but I think most people, youknow, you get far enough down
the road, you know, your lovedones are gonna start passing
away.
Everything else that you have isgoing to pass away.

SPEAKER_02 (50:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:40):
Through one experience or another, whatever
you think you have on this earthof great importance.
It's it's it's it's going behindyou.
At some point, you're gonna loseit.
Yep.
That's just the way it is.
And there's only one thing thatyou're not gonna lose, and
that's your faith in God.
Yeah, it's the only thing youcan hold on to from start to

(51:02):
finish.

SPEAKER_05 (51:03):
Exactly.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (51:04):
You know, yeah, and you can you can hold on to good
memories, but even I think evenyour memories after a while,
you're gonna start to forget.
Oh, yeah.
You know, you're gonna start toforget.
Oh yeah.
Um, I mean, for me, a lot oftimes, yeah, if I see something,
it will trigger a memory that Iperhaps had forgotten about that
20 years ago.
But if that doesn't happen, Imean you're gonna you're gonna

(51:24):
you're gonna forget thosethings.
Um so all you can hope to haveis that is that faith in the
Lord and that eternal life.
Yep.
I mean, because what's just Imean, I will tell anybody, there
is no way, shape, or form thatif somebody offered me eternal
life on this planet and thisworld, that I would take it.

SPEAKER_01 (51:45):
Oh, I would not no way.
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 (51:49):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
I mean, honestly, even if it was back in like, I
don't know, the roaringtwenties, or I don't just like
think of your your favoritedecade or something.
Still, no.

SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Oh, yeah.
Even if somebody said, Well,yeah, you can go back to when
you were 10.

SPEAKER_01 (52:03):
Right.
Not didn't have a care in theworld or anything.

SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
You can start if somebody said you can start over
and you can be ten again, andthat's a great uh temptation to
be like, oh it'd be great to beten years old again.

SPEAKER_05 (52:17):
And but I'd want to know what I know now.

SPEAKER_00 (52:19):
Yeah, but right.
But I would still be like, Nothanks.
Because everything that I'vebeen through again, whether
through my own free will or whathow the Lord the things he's
yeah, you know, no, this is thisis where I'm supposed to be.
This is the race I'm running.
You know, you can you can't goback and you know, start over.

SPEAKER_01 (52:40):
Start over.

SPEAKER_00 (52:41):
No, yeah, no.
So it's like that kid, you know,just no, I'm gonna go start
over.

SPEAKER_01 (52:46):
Yeah, that's what I that's exactly what I was
thinking.

SPEAKER_00 (52:49):
You know, everybody hates that kid.

SPEAKER_01 (52:51):
Yeah, it's like no, you know, we're just because you
had a false start or something,no.

SPEAKER_00 (52:56):
Yeah.
So my shoelace wasn't time.
All the excuses in the world,yeah.
But uh no, it just uh I don'tknow.
So life is I guess life, Ialmost say it's supposed to be
hard, but I don't think there'sanybody that's really escaped a
hard life yet.

(53:16):
Even like I said, even ifthey've got fame, they've got
money, they've got you know,life is still hard.

SPEAKER_01 (53:21):
And it's always been.
I mean, even like who who wrotea lot of the Psalms?
David?
You know, he there were a lot oflike, you know, hear my cries,
you know, like it it's alwaysbeen hard for everyone, you
know?

SPEAKER_00 (53:33):
Like well, yeah, because I said we we talked
about you know David and KingSolomon, and you think these are
people that uh are in directline with the genealogy of Jesus
Christ.
And you think, how is How dothey have hard times?
How does that well no, butyou're you're thinking, like,
shouldn't all shouldn't thisfamily lineage be perfect?

SPEAKER_01 (53:56):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 (53:57):
You know, so it gets to the Holy One, right?
Does it doesn't it doesn't ithave to be perfect in order?

SPEAKER_02 (54:03):
No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 (54:05):
And you look at their lives, and the more you
study their lives, you're likeI'm on the same footing with
this great king.

SPEAKER_02 (54:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (54:15):
I've made the same mistakes that he's made.
And he was chosen by God tofulfill.
To have and you know, and theyand they could actually speak to
God.
You know, some of them haveactually heard, you know, the
voice of God, and they stillimagine that, like you actually

(54:38):
hear the voice of God, and thenyou still go out and do
something that is against thewill of God.
That that's to me, that's likethat's hard to believe, but then
again, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
Yeah, like it's kind of baffling, but then again, no,
it's not.

SPEAKER_00 (54:52):
Because I know sometimes I hear God talking to
me and I don't do it, but Idon't actually hear his voice.
Right, right.
I mean, you know, I haven'theard Morgan Freeman yet, but
but but you know, but butthere's no doubt, it's like I
know when God's talking to me.

SPEAKER_02 (55:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:10):
And most of the time I go along, yeah, sometimes I
don't go along.
But again, imagine actuallyhearing the voice of God and
saying, Yeah, but let me do itmy way.

SPEAKER_01 (55:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (55:21):
Plenty of people in this book have done it.

SPEAKER_02 (55:23):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:25):
And yet still, God's like, Yep, but there's still a
plan.
We still we still we still haveto get to the end point.
We still we still have to get tothe crucifixion and the
resurrection.
And you're still the rightperson to use, even though
you're not perfect.
Yep.
Even though you haven't facedevery crisis with, you know,

(55:45):
just yeah, with no errorwhatsoever, you're you're still
you're still what I've calledyou to be.
You still have the ability to dothat.
Yeah.
So and that's a big part of it.
It's just, you know, you have tounderstand that when you're in
crisis, that it doesn't defineyou, you know, but but if

(56:05):
handled correctly, uh yourdefinition in the end will be
you know, it it will be madeclear.

SPEAKER_01 (56:15):
And it can feel like it could define you.
And it can.
I mean, if you let it, if youlet it say but you can't let it.

SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
Yeah.
If if if you like you said, ifyou want to do it on your own,
yeah, then maybe it will.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
Because there's a lot of people that you know, you
hear about people that somethingwill happen to them when they're
when they're young and they'llspend the rest of their life in
an apartment, never go outside.

SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (56:39):
You know, never, you know, never uh have a
relationship with somebody.
They live they'll live theirwhole life that way because that
that crisis just affected themso badly that they can never let
it go.
And it completely changes thedirection of their life.
Um can Christ change that?

(56:59):
Sure, sure it can.
You know.

SPEAKER_02 (57:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:02):
Um, and I know there's people that have, you
know, experienced a lot ofterrible things.
You know, when we had your sonon, as we talked about, like,
yeah, I can I can study historyand more all I want and think
that I understand it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:19):
Because I've read.
Yeah.
But there's some things thatuntil you've actually done it,
you cannot possibly understand.
Yeah.
So there are people that haveexperienced really terrible
things that I hope I never haveto experience.
But I but I still think that inany situation God can heal it
and God can lead that person ina new direction.

(57:43):
But uh no, it's just it's allabout that relationship.

SPEAKER_05 (57:49):
I thought of your son the other day.
My aunt, my uncle passed away,and uh we had his service on
Sunday afternoon and he wasninety-three and he had served
in the front lines of the KoreanWar.
And my aunt talked about how heused to go hunting with her dad
and my grandpa before he when hewas young.

(58:12):
And then when he went to war,and when he came back, he never
ever picked up a gun to gohunting again.
Ever.
And I thought because your sonhad mentioned that too.
Yeah.
Just damn.

SPEAKER_01 (58:26):
Yeah, and you know, maybe there are more listening
now.
Um, hopefully your son'slistening to this right now.
I'm sure he is.
Um but you never know.
Yeah, yeah.
But you know, I I sent Roger apicture of my stud study Bible.
Um, I was in the book ofLamentations.
Is that how you say that?

SPEAKER_04 (58:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Close enough.

SPEAKER_01 (58:46):
But, you know, and before every book, it'll kind of
give you a summary.
And I think it's just like twosentences it says for this book.
Um, it was based in about 586BC.
But it says there are people inour world who have experienced
total devastation as theircities or nations have been
destroyed by wars, earthquakes,tsunamis, or hurricanes.

(59:07):
Reading the book of Lamentationscan give us a point of entry
into those experiences.
It can help us to face thedeepest aspects of human
existence.
So it's like again, it's beenit's been going on since day one
on the year.
You know, like it's terrible,you know.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:29):
Well, when you I don't know.
I mean, can we calculate thenumber of human beings that have
lived on this earth?

SPEAKER_04 (59:37):
No.
I don't think.
Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 (59:39):
I don't think so.
And to me, when I try to thinkabout that, yeah.
Uh and you think, well, howbecause I can take you can just
say, well, how meaningful wasthat person's life?

SPEAKER_02 (59:53):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (59:54):
You know, that maybe there's there's human beings who
have lived and died who peoplewill never think of again.
And think about how manymillions of people have lived
that nobody ever thinks aboutthem ever again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:06):
And then you can get up to people like Abraham
Lincoln, George Washington, youknow, really, you know, people
that we all know.
Yeah.
But Jesus himself.
And even those people, it's likehow many people actually think
about those people every day.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:24):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:25):
So I mean, just just that that that's just uh I don't
I don't know.
It's it's hard to fathom thatThere were a lot of people in
this world that maybe never knewJesus.
Or, hey, let's say there's a lotof people that didn't know

(01:00:46):
Jesus.
And their stories, theirchallenges, their crisis are
pretty much lost to history.
But is it all important in theend to the kingdom?
Kingdom?
It sure is.
Yep.
You know, and we'll see it atthe end how, you know, every all
these lives you know in the bookof life, we'll see it at the

(01:01:06):
end.
And it's going to blow our mindwhen we, you know, there'll
probably be people that wethought were going to be there
and they're not.
And there might be people thatwe thought there ain't no way
you're getting.
Yep.
It's going to be the opposite.
Yep.
Um, and it just, I mean, how bigis that book of life?
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh it'd probably just be amind-blowing thing to actually,

(01:01:30):
you know, to see that becauseyeah, there's just millions of
people that have lived and diedand believed in faith, and just
the same who never have giventhe Lord a thought.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:41):
You know who I think a lot of them could be?
I think they could be Canadians.
Like I'm looking at that map andI'm like, my gosh, canadian like
Canada is big.
Yeah.
I mean, and I mean, look atRussia, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But even just like sinceCanada's, you know, butt up
against us, like man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:02):
We haven't put any pins up in a while.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:04):
No, we haven't.
I can't every now and then I'llthink that we need to.
And gosh, I I couldn't tell yousince like last summer, maybe
was the last time.
Yeah, we probably need to updateit on the city.
Yeah, actually.
I checked the other day and weare in over 300 cities.
Um, so that's kind of cool.

(01:02:25):
Um, what was it?
300 cities and how manycountries was it?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:31):
Before that was like 11 countries?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:34):
Yeah.
Um countries we are in 37.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:42):
No.
Praise God.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:46):
Yeah, it's 305 cities.
Um 80, you know, like you wouldthink a hundred percent of our
listeners would be UnitedStates.
85.
85%.
So that means the rest of themare a different country.

(01:03:07):
That's kind of crazy.
Yeah.
Singapore, we've got fivepercent listeners.
Canada, two percent, Philippinesone percent.
But then like the rest of them,it says zero percent, but
there's still like one episode,two, three, but it's not enough
to make it a percentage.
Yeah.

(01:03:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.

unknown (01:03:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:29):
Pretty neat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:31):
Yep.
And the only thing I would sayas a caution is, you know, you
you can get really wrapped upin, you know, of course, you
know, turning point USA, howmany millions of people and how
many, you know, like incomparison.
Yeah, yeah.
You think, well, what differencethen am I making?
Who's listening to us?
But we're still hitting 300cities, 37 countries.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:52):
And like Yeah, that it's just as important.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:55):
Like our second, our first um city is New Philly
because we all like a lot of ourcell phones here, they have like
a Philly zip code or you know,something attached to it.
But like our second city isSingapore.
Third city is Greensburg,Pennsylvania.
So I mean, Greensburg,Pennsylvania, we've had 90
downloads from them.

(01:04:15):
Singapore, we've had 100, youknow, so you know for sure
there's a couple people fromthose cities at least listening.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:22):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:22):
Los Angeles, 42 downloads.
Irwin, Pennsylvania, 42,Pittsburgh, 26, Cleveland, 49,
Columbus, 50.
Uh just so you know we're we'reout there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:36):
Yeah, and it's just as important.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:38):
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:40):
And that's hard sometimes, you know, with social
media.
You think that like I said, whatwho's listening to us?
What difference are we making?
You know, who's following us?
But if there's only ten peopleout there that are, it's still
ten more than it's part of theplan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:58):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:59):
Part of the plan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:00):
So it would be neat if God if God wants us to make
us greater, He will.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:05):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:05):
You know, that's the way I always look at it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:07):
Yeah, for sure.
It would be neat if we couldhear from some of these
listeners.
It would be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can always I think they cansend a text in if they're
listening from Buzz Sprout.
Um, or you know, they canmessage us on Facebook, comment
on Facebook, call us, email us,whatever.
All the things.
It would be neat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:27):
Yep.
Well, you know, and you canalways spend the money to boost
your audience.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:32):
Yeah, but we're not doing that.
No, we're not.
No.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
We're doing this clearly on just sitting here in
this room every week.
Yep.
And just, you know, say wingingit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
But yeah.
Yeah.
Kinda.
Yeah.
But uh I mean, honestly, like ifif people would hear what we
like, we need to just stay onair one time whenever we're
leaving, like, okay, so what'snext week's subject?
Like that.
That's exactly how it goes down.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:57):
But I'm always but I am always so impressed with um
how everything ends up likecoming together.
Yeah.
And uh like, you know, if we'redoing two episodes in one night,
somehow they intersect.
Somehow they they becomecomplete.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:14):
Yeah, like tonight.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:15):
And yeah.
And it could be just been tworant I had an idea, Beth had an
idea, you had an idea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:20):
Yep.
And yeah, well, this, you know,tonight's topics, it was your
idea and then my idea, and thenyou guys came in this morning,
or this morning, gosh, earlierand said you one was gonna be an
exodus for one, the other onewas also gonna be an exodus for
the other.
So it's just neat.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:36):
Yep.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:39):
Well, I I've got uh Psalms 46, 1.
Maybe it'd be our closing verse.
Sure.
God is our refuge and strength,always ready to help in the time
of trouble.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:51):
Yes.
Yes, he is.
Thank goodness.
Yes.
He's always there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:01):
That's right.
All you gotta do is dial him up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:05):
That's something that phone call away.
That's right.
Beth, is it your turn to pray?
It is.
Okay, let me get you all let meget you squared away here.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:18):
Dear Heavenly Father, we just thank you for
the opportunity to come togetherand and just talk among each
other and and share your word,dear Lord.
And we we thank you, dear FatherGod, that you are always there
for us, dear Father God.
And we we're so thankful thatyou still love us, even though

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sometimes we can be hard-headedand we don't always come to you
first that we try to fix our ownproblems.
In the end, we know that we haveto surrender them all to you
because you're gonna be the onethat's gonna get us through.
Dear Father God, we ask that youjust put a hedge of protection
around us all as we travel hometonight, dear Father God, and be

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with us and bring us back untilwe are scheduled to meet again.
In Jesus' name we pray.
Amen.