March 20, 2025 • 46 mins
Standing in the back of a different church denomination, watching unfamiliar worship practices unfold – we've all felt that momentary discomfort. But what if these differences actually reveal something beautiful about our collective faith journey?
This episode starts with playful nostalgia over Pauly Shore movies before pivoting to a heartfelt story about an Elvis impersonation contest. One performer dreams of winning national competitions while another is perfectly content with regular shows at an Amish country flea market. It's a perfect metaphor for how we approach faith – some with elaborate ambitions, others finding joy in simpler expressions.
The conversation takes unexpected turns through JFK conspiracy theories and recently declassified files, touching on how people can examine the same evidence yet reach completely different conclusions – much like denominations reading the same Bible but developing distinct worship traditions.
The heart of the discussion explores the rich tapestry of Christian worship styles. From the call-and-response patterns of Presbyterian services to the ceremonial rhythms of Catholic Mass, from traditional Methodist hymns to spontaneous Pentecostal expressions – each tradition offers a unique approach to honoring God. Even within the same denomination, churches can vary dramatically in their worship style. As one host beautifully puts it: "Some people are on the bus, some in a car, some on a buggy... Some are on their feet with no shoes on, like us."
What emerges is a celebration of unity in diversity. While visiting another denomination might initially feel uncomfortable, these experiences ultimately remind us that despite our different paths, we're all journeying toward the same destination. As the Community Lenten services bring various churches together, we're reminded that what unites us is far stronger than what sets us apart.
How does your church worship? Have you ever visited a denomination completely different from your own? Share your experience with us!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I don't know, I don't know, hey, back to movies real
quick.
So we were talking aboutAirheads, Encino man, Bio Dome,
Howard the Duck what else did we?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I was going to throw Son-in-Law in there.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh my gosh Molly.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shore, because in that movie, when he's at the
college, encino man shows up.
Yes, yep, yep, I forgot aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That was Son-in-Law.
I recently watched that, One ofmy favorite movies ever.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I like it when he gets off of the airplane and
they see him for the first time,when he learns how to feed the
pigs on the roller skates oh howcould I forget?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
See, that's another one of Jarvie's favorites.
Boy cut the boots down.
Yeah, Just the bottom part.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm not sure that.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I've ever seen it Now that one was worth watching one
time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh no, Not the 20 times.
They're all worth watching.
What year?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
was that one, oh, I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hold on, I'll look.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Probably 95.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, definitely 90.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
That curly hair?
Yeah, just like kind of be bopsaround 93.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh 93.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I like it when he's on the combine.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, and he's singing John Denver.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, some John Denver yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, good stuff.
Hey, nick, I want to just sharea fun Elvis tidbit with you for
today.
So I signed up for acompetition.
There were 15 contestants.
I just recently found out thatthey extended the deadline now
it's like 25 and 25 contestants.
I have no problem with that.
Here's my complaint.
This is a super entry-levelcontest.
(01:36):
Up at the point when I hadsigned up, it was mostly like
guys who had never been incompetitions before, guys who
had never, could never competein big competitions like the
Nashville Elvis Festival, thingslike that.
Now it's this list ofheadliners that are all like
none of us stand a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Really None of us stand a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh now don't, no, seriously Like these guys have
won the Nashville Elvis Festival, which is an ultimate qualifier
.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
These guys have won, so the extra 10 people they let
in have all been like majormajor headliners.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Other places are they afraid they didn't get a big
enough draw.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
is that maybe why they let them in?
That's my guess.
Is they felt like, okay, it'sso entry level that we really
don't have like people aren'tgonna buy tickets to come.
So I'm a little bit peeved,yeah, but I'm like you know what
, I'm gonna go, going to go andhave a good time, so didn't
think anything beyond that.
I'm like you know, I'm going togo have a good time, sold all
of my Elvis belts to buy newones.
Okay, because mine, some of minesnapped in the front versus
(02:33):
having the hook system likeElvis did.
So I sold all of mine, orderedall new when I Nashville who
bought one of them.
He bought my peacock belt, as amatter of fact, so I mailed it
to him.
He messaged me the other dayand said hey, dude, I wore your
belt on stage.
It looked fantastic.
Thanks so much.
Yada, yada.
So now we're we strike up aconversation.
It turns out he was at theElvis festival.
(02:54):
At the Nashville Elvis festivalplaced in the top 10.
Okay, didn't get any higher.
He didn't get top five, butplaced, but placed top 10.
Um, and he starts giving mepointers on my elva show.
Now I don't take offense tothat because, whatever I'm like,
but, dude, you didn't evenplace top 10, like he's telling
me, like you should stand withyour feet, spread more I'm like
(03:18):
vocally.
I will match you note for note.
Dude, like, don't like,whatever, he never mind.
Let's just say that, okay,constructive criticism is fine,
but you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You got a place before you can call me, yeah
yeah, if you, if you've askedfor it right, if I would have
said hey, man, did you see myvideos?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
what do you think he didn't he just have any point,
or just came in, just came in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And it's whatever.
Like I said, he didn't hurt myfeelings.
I said, hey, thanks for theadvice, and I did think about it
this morning when I wasshowering.
I was like you know what?
It's not terrible advice.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
But I also have never considered, like I'm not trying
to win the ultimate contestever in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But that's his dream.
Like that's what he wants to do.
That's his pinnacle.
Me, I'm like man.
I got a residency at the fleamarket in Amish country.
I'm pretty good about myself.
There's just a difference indesire.
Like that's what he does for aliving.
I don't plan to do that.
Do you do that monthly?
Now, I don't.
We haven't established an exactrotation yet, but it sounds
(04:21):
like monthly, maybe even twice amonth, just depending on.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Where was that?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Walnut Creek Flea Market.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, and that just happened on a whim.
I had reached out to the ladywho owns it.
We did travel shows togethermany years ago and I just said,
hey, listen, I know you used tohave an Elvis.
If you don't have one anymore,hit me up.
If you do, I don't want to takeaway from him.
You know good, bad orindifferent whether he was good
or not, I just didn't want totake away from him.
And she said, yeah, that'd begreat.
When can you stop by and chat?
(04:48):
And I was like, well, Thursdaywould work, so I pop in on
Thursday.
We're chatting a little bit,and she goes.
Okay, and she's running herfinger down the counter.
She goes this saturday.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
it was that fast so, uh, yeah, she must not have ran
her finger down too too far.
Then she's like oh okay, yeah,ah, there, it is that one's open
um.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So it was funny, because the girl behind the desk
who writes the checks and doesall of her like accounting stuff
, she said to me she goes andwhat do you do?
I said, oh, I do, elvis.
And she said really.
And I said yeah, she got a laughand I heard her say well, he
must be young Elvis.
I came out of that dressingroom, dude, I thought they were
going to lose their stinkingminds.
It was, and I wore powder bluefor the first half and then
(05:39):
changed to my tie.
It was crazy.
At one point there was just atotal backup where the stage was
at, which is in front of thepretzel shop Total backup.
Nobody could get throughbecause everybody had stopped,
Everybody.
Just a dead stop in the middle.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
We had a great time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We had a really good time, so I was thankful for that
opportunity.
Hopefully we get all of thebookings done and we can make it
happen more regularly, butwe'll see.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Nick, I got to ask.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hold on, okay, I saw, some pictures of Cash and the
King oh at the Amish CountryTheater and I was just curious
about the talent there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, I don't really want to talk about that.
I have some hurt feelings overthat.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm thinking like why doesn't Michael do that?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
They won't let me.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Because I'm looking at, I'm like ah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, they won't let me.
So the guy who does Elvis, he.
I could go on for hours.
Let's just put it that way Good, bad or indifferent.
I could go on for hours.
Nice enough, guy Not.
He's not an Elvis.
He might be an Elvis fan, buthe's not.
He doesn't wear jumpsuits.
(06:43):
It is a tribute, not animpersonation.
That's what he.
That's how he builds that show.
However, they put Elvis on thebillboard on all of the digital
marketing.
So you look at that and go, oh,this is probably.
And then you get there and it'sthe guy that's in all of their
comedy variety shows.
They're saying, in their comedyvariety sings Elvis songs.
It's really it.
(07:04):
And I said to them one time I'mlike, hey, if you guys ever want
to make a change, just let meknow.
I'm sure we can work it out.
And they won't, they just won't.
So fine by me, whatever.
Whatever.
It is interesting though.
So that was actually the veryfirst show that my wife and I
ever saw there whenever theyhired us.
When they hired me, I say us,but they did hire us.
(07:26):
But when they hired me, um, butit was not him doing Elvis, it
was a different guy.
Heavy set Didn't wear jumpsuits, he wore like what we would
call it was casual wear bellbottom pants, puffy sleeve shirt
and a belt.
This dude was terrible.
I'm talking it was.
So I'm sitting and we're deadcenter.
Is this really happening?
(07:48):
Wide-eyed mouth agape andthey're like how was the show?
And I'm like it was good, itwas good.
Yeah, they swiftly changed fromhim yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, jfk.
Classified files.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Have you read them All, 32,000 pages he?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
started.
Here's what I'm told.
I'm told there's nothing inthere that we don't already know
.
I heard there's nothingearth-shaking.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, mostly, I heard it mostly will explain how the
CIA worked during that time.
Yeah, so, yeah, I haven't heardanything mind-blowing come out
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it was the same with the Epstein files.
When they released those, therewas nothing in there that we
hadn't already seen.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, my opinion is, they've destroyed whatever they
didn't want us to see, right?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And even if they haven't destroyed that, if we
ever did get to see it, it wouldbe so heavily redacted we
wouldn't know anything yeah.
The release of files is onething, the release of viable
files or usable files orimportant files, is a completely
different thing.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I'm sure there'll be some information that will be
of use to historians, butnothing Somebody's writing a
book about it.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let's be sure of that .
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I watched a press conference with uh, the woman
that is heading up this, youknow investigation is that pam
bondy?
Uh, no, she's.
She kind of looks, uh I don'tknow if she's latina or what she
is, but long dark hair andthere's, and then I think
there's a a guy there too.
And uh, this woman, during thispress conference she made the
(09:27):
statement that she believesthere was two shooters yeah,
second gunman on the grassyknoll she didn't back it up with
any information she, she justsaid it yeah and I'm like, okay,
well, you know, we're all abouttransparency here yeah you know
explain and she didn't explainwhy she felt that way but here's
I thought well, maybe it'llcome out with all of this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, you can get.
I mean, you watch that as apruder film over and over again.
I personally cannot see howthat shot came from the back.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To save my life.
I can't see that.
I mean, if you've seen it right, yes, it is intense, and I
can't imagine an entry woundcould do that, cause usually
it's on exit that we make a mess.
Right and it came out thebackside messy.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So how did that happen?
I thought it was the side inthe front.
That's messy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Mm-mm.
No, jackie was on the back ofthe car.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Catching all of the blowout.
Yeah, it's the back.
No, it's the back, because ifyou look at the autopsy photos
that they took at ParklandHospital, the back is wide open.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Because they got him through the neck right.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yep, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Is that the one that hit the governor in the wrist?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That might have been the third shot, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
But like there was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'm not an expert on this.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, and they said that there's the type of firearm
that he was using.
It would have been hard for himto get off three shots that
fast.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's people argue he was well within.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And maybe he was.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I'm in the range to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So I've heard both.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Both scenarios played out?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, but the ones that say he could have those are
the ones being paid by the CIA.
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't know, I don't know, I really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We won't post any photos in the comments of this.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I've never been one way or the other on that one.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I love a good conspiracy and I love to argue
the opposite of whatever anybodyelse thinks.
So that's why Elvis isn't dead,by the way, Right.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, oh, I saw a headline this week that they
think Jim Morrison is stillalive.
Oh interesting that somebodyhas pictures of just got these
new pictures and they are prettycertain it's him that he faked
his death and lives in Paris andwhatnot?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I think Elvis still lives at Graceland.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He just lives upstairs.
He's still upstairs, justupstairs.
He's not allowed to go there,so he can't go upstairs.
That's why he don't let you upthere.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yep, I did read the other day that his aunt, delta,
lived in Graceland even afterthey opened it, which I knew
that but didn't realize to theextent.
So Elvis's aunt lived with themwhile he was alive.
When Elvis died, pretty mucheverybody left except for Delta.
She stayed in the house.
So when you toured the houseyou couldn't see her bedroom,
(12:19):
which was Gladys's bedroom Ifyou go on the tour of the
bedroom towards the back, andyou couldn't see the kitchen,
because that was kind of the twospots that she went to.
However, she was known tobelittle guests as they were
walking through the mansion oron the ground, because she
didn't want them there.
I'm like the mansion, or on theground because she didn't want
them there, that's prettyawesome.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
She's probably a feisty little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, when you look at the pictures, you would
assume that by looking at hertoo, huh Wild to think she lived
in a museum.
She physically lived in amuseum, weird.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I wonder if she had any ghosts.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well that's the episode for the night.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Have a great night you know the one going back to
JFK real quick.
The one thing that has alwaystroubled me about that whole day
is the beginning at thebreakfast, when they give JFK
the cowboy hat and they say youneed something to protect you
from the rain.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It wasn't the rain.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And the thing is he did not like to wear hats.
So it was almost like, and Igrew up, my grandparents and my
family, they loved JFK.
My grandparents, uh, and myfamily, they love jfk.
And I grew up with them alwayssaying that was texas way of
saying you're getting it todayyeah by giving him that hat and
saying we think you needsomething to protect you from
the rain.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Interesting, and they knew what he didn't like
wearing hats though yeah, it'salmost like a jab you know
interesting, I didn't know thatso yeah, that's the one thing I
don't when I mean I watch, seethat every time.
I'm like I've watched thatbreakfast a million times
because I thought it wasfascinating that jackie didn't
come to breakfast.
They ended up making her comedownstairs.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
They had a like.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
They filmed this breakfast yes, really they
filmed a lot of that whole dayyes, that that's what I'm saying
.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That that's the bizarre part to me is how much
of it is documented and so well,yeah, I mean the time he gets
off the plane to like,everything is very well
documented.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But in fairness, he was also really the first
television president yeah, itwas the first president to ever
really be you know, jackie wasalmost more famous than he was
and that was the whole reasonshe went with him on this
particular trip is because theyreally thought that she would
help help him and so when shewasn't going to come down for
that breakfast, they're like no,you don't understand, she has
(14:41):
to come down.
All these women have come tosee her.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And the joke that he made that day was that he became
known as the man whoaccompanied Jackie Kennedy to
Paris.
He's the president of theUnited States.
He didn't matter.
Jackie was the one thatmattered, yeah that was a big
deal yeah.
And all the way down to LyndonJohnson taking the oath of
office, with Jackie standingnext to him in bloodstained
(15:04):
clothes.
All of it was intentional.
They didn't want her to change,they wanted her standing there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
She didn't want to change.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, Looking that way so that they what she said was I
want them to see what they'vedone.
It was bizarre.
That whole thing to me is crazy.
There's some really weirdconnections between the Kennedy
assassination and the Lincolnassassination.
Lincoln's secretary's last namewas Kennedy and Kennedy's
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secretary's last name wasLincoln, which is just one of
those weird nuances.
One was shot in a theater andthe person hid in a warehouse
and the other was the opposite.
Like it was just very strange,yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And I just caught this Manson documentary this new
one, and it's all focused onthe CIA.
Same psychiatrist that workedfor the cia that they were
working on uh experiments withlsd and trying to control
(16:04):
people's minds, they said islinked to manson and this doctor
.
But he's the same psychiatristthat went in and uh observed
jack ruby and he's the one thatsaid he's too ill to stand trial
.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Really, because he was on LSD.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, just like they're just saying, so, the CIA
not only has something to dowith Manson and his behavior and
what went on there.
It was almost like it'sfar-reaching.
Yeah, it really is.
But when they tie certainthings in, you're going, oh man,
this, this is all you know tiedtogether, and then so they're
there.
They made these comparisonsbetween the JFK assassination
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and the events that took placewith the Manson family in the
late 60s.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Let's just let's just all CIA related.
Ask the question did we reallyland on the moon?
Did we, Did we?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't know, I don't know.
Is there wind on the moon?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, so if you look at the video, that's, the big
one is that the flag is wavingand it shouldn't wave, but
they're saying that it's fromthe way that it was stuck into
the lunar soil, because there'sactually a cord that holds the
flag so that it would stayspread out.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
They got a little electric motor in there.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They're pushing it no no, but when they stuck it in
the ground it still jiggled likeit's a hole.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I was like the ones that came back from the ISS.
There was a picture that showedthe one lady you know up in
space and like pale as can be,and then another picture of her
coming back and like just tan ascan be, and they're like is
this the same?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
lady moonburn, moonburn, yeah right but she um
set a record for the most timespace walking by a female.
Well, what else are you gonnado?
Yeah, might as well go out andenjoy the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Break records Eight days, and it ended up being nine
and a half months.
Can you?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
imagine, and they stand to be very rich people,
even if they weren't before,because I mean that's not going
to end well, oh, yeah, did shepack hair dye Because there was
not any gray.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, that's true too .
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Maybe you don't age on the moon.
Maybe, like when you're on theInternational Space Station, you
don't age.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, she was very gray, like black and white, like
salt, and pepper in the firstpicture and then the recent
picture is like very yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, maybe they gave her a spray tan before they put
her out and they dyed her hairfor her real quick.
I thought it was interesting.
Did you see him being wheeledout in those really big
wheelchairs?
I thought that was reallyinteresting.
I guess it has something to dowith like blood clots and like,
because there's no gravity,their blood flows differently.
It's a whole like when they gethere, they have to like rebuild
muscle mass and things likethat.
(18:44):
So, okay, interesting, veryinteresting.
All right, you ready?
I thought this was a timelyquestion.
Have you ever seen Christiansfrom other denominations
worshiping?
What did you learn from that?
The reason I picked this one isthe community Lenten services
right now, so I thought likethis would be a good
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conversation to have.
Don and I got to enjoy themessage last week what campfire
songs were they singing?
oh my gosh.
I wish I could remember off thetop of my head.
But it was fun, wasn't it?
They didn't do power in, but itwas fun, wasn't it?
Power in the blood.
I remember that, no, wasn't itpower?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
in the blood.
They didn't do power in theblood it was something.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Blood, though.
Nothing but the blood.
What can wash away my sins?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
I can't remember all of them,but it was a good time.
So I've known John for a longtime.
You've known John for a longtime.
Sid, wonderful man, it's justsuch a different experience
being there during worship.
(19:42):
It's his wife playing piano,yeah, four people singing, and
then he grabs a microphone andjumps in, and then that's just
how they.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You know what, though ?
That's how Jeff was before thattoo.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's what?
Well, it's.
Jeff kind of was more on thekeyboard every now and then.
But yeah, it's just a veryunique um experience at a place
like that.
So they only seat a hundredpeople.
There were over a hundred inthe building so it was like for
them probably felt really goodto have such a full house, or
bringing up folding chairs outof the basement, um.
But overall it was reallyinteresting to see because there
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were Methodists there, therewere Presbyterians there, there
were Pentecostals there.
I mean, it's a Pentecostalchurch but lots of people from
different denominations.
But what I found the mostinteresting, that when Pastor
Holly was delivering the messagethere was one thing that worked
for everybody.
She told a goofy joke andeverybody laughed and I mean
(20:36):
it's what changed.
Honestly, it's what flippedthat uncomfortable start to that
very comfortable like OK, wecan go now yeah.
Yeah, it was really interestingto watch that happen.
Once everybody was like OK,because I got to introduce her.
And once they realized wearen't just crazy Pentecostals,
right, they were like OK, thisis you know, she didn't do
(20:57):
anything, she wasn't speaking intongues or you know, throwing
snakes out into the audience oranything like that.
But once they got a handle onit, it was a great message and
it was a great time to be witheverybody.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yep that's the whole episode, I can only say it from
just growing up, just being well, and you know I've been to
Catholic funerals Sit, stand,kneel, pray, yee-haw.
And that's quite the experience.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Funerals and weddings .
Yeah, weddings just as bad.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that's something a lot just very ceremonial.
You know, everything is justvery I'm sure every Catholic
funeral or wedding is prettymuch the same, but they I'm sure
every Catholic funeral orwedding is pretty much the same,
but they all have a yep, it'svery like I said structured,
Just growing up in a Methodistchurch.
it was just yeah, they'resinging hymns.
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You know, you stand up, yousing a hymn, you sit down and
preach for a little bit.
You stand up, sing a hymn, sitdown.
That's what I remember as a kid.
In my mind that's what Ithought all churches are like.
That's how church is.
You don't realize that all thechurches that you drive past
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there's a lot of differenttradition to what they do and
how they worship and all thatkind of thing.
So yeah, I can only say fromwhat I've experienced, in my
lifetime, I can't say, sinceI've joined this church, I
haven't.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Besides our own other four square in Denison, yeah.
I don't think I've attendedanother church since that time.
What?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
were you going to say ?
You said Presbyterian, yeah,you need to go to a Presbyterian
church.
Well, we're going to do thattonight, because tonight we're
at Denison Presbyterian forcommunity Lenten service,
railway Chapel, over across fromthe police station in the city
building in Denison.
Okay, I thought so.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, but it's definitely different yeah
definitely different.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, so definitely different.
One of the things I strugglewith with the Presbyterian
church is the call and responseyeah, lutheran is like that too
right.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I don't know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Explain that.
So call and response is theywill read something and it will
be like whatever, and in yourlittle program you get your
little, your little pamphletwhen you walk in.
In bold is the part that youread back, and so the
congregation together reads backthe next line, and they may do
that two or three differenttimes or it may be one long
passage that they do that with,but it's uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Now growing up Methodist.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
our church did that, you did call and response yeah,
and it's nothing wrong with it,it just is very strange to me
and it's part of the part of hismessage.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like the pre message, so you have might have two or
three songs.
Then there's a call andresponse.
All of that is really pre word.
After the word maybe a call andresponse again, or a song or
whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But that's what I was going to say.
My grandma she was Lutheran.
So like growing up, like yousaid, like standing and sitting,
but there were times like I wasvery familiar with, like Bethel
a lot of times I'm like, oh,you know, we'll sing like 30, 40
minutes and then we'll sit downfor the whole time.
But the Lutheran, I think likethey did the call and response,
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but kind of broke it up inbetween songs.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So then I was always like looking at my grandma, like
side eyeing her, I'm like, oh,I got to sit down now, oh.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I got to stand up.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, We'll probably experience that tonight
.
That would be my guess.
So they have an organist thereand I don't know that they'll
play the organ tonight.
They may just play the piano.
They have a huge grand piano.
I mean, it's like OG to thechurch grand piano, and that
church is fascinating.
By the way, if you don't knowthe story, no-transcript
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sanctuary huh, reallyinteresting.
Yeah, that was built by railwayworkers.
That whole building was builtby railway workers.
Um, but my guess is is we'll doa couple of songs and then
probably a call and response.
Another song and thenintroduction of whoever's
speaking tonight would be.
My guess is we'll do a coupleof songs and then probably a
call, and response another songand then introduction of
whoever's speaking tonight wouldbe my guess, Because they try
to keep it fresh for all of usPentecostals, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So do you think people get offended by different
denominations Depends on theprocess of worship, or is it
more that they're justuncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Me too, I think uncomfortable, because they see
that we're all like have thesame end goal.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Most of us, most of us yeah.
There are some that I question.
Yeah, just travel to that endgoal is a little different.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah, there are some that I question.
Yeah, just travel to that endgoal is a little different.
Yeah, some people are on thebus, some people are in a car, a
rail car Yep.
Some people are on a buggy.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah.
You know Some people are ontheir feet with no shoes on,
like us.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, they're shoedabakers.
Shoedabakers, or is that rud tobake the?
Uh, yeah, I think it'suncomfortable, and even for me
it's not necessarilyuncomfortable as much as it is
like, oh wait, wasn't supposedto do that.
Oh, we're standing right nowlike it's that, like I'm not
sure, because I've never donethat.
Um, I don't think there's anyoffense.
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I will tell you that, like Iwould guess that if somebody was
going to be offended this isnot a dig at any of these
denominations it would be thePresbyterians and the Methodists
who come to a Pentecostalchurch Because to them worship
is singing songs out of a hymnaland their church is
traditionally pretty quiet andvery relaxed, and they come to a
church like here and worshipfor us is a little bit different
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, it's a little more excitable.
So it would and again, I don'tknow if offended is the word as
much as they're like I don'tknow what just happened in there
like confused.
It's too loud.
Yes, yeah, it's too loud.
Well, turn your hearing aiddown.
Huh, say what?
Yeah, are any of you?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
familiar with the term.
Huh, eh Say what.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, are any of you familiar with the term Calvinism
.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, so Is that still .
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, that was big in the During the Civil War, but
it's so the Calvinism Calvinistsare now?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Are they presbyterian ?
Are they because john wesleywas baptist?
He was methodist methodistmethodist.
So I think, hold on, let mejust I thought, uh, the
presbyterians were big on thecalvinist.
Yeah, maybe that's it, becauseI it's like the denomination has
advanced to now be apresbyterian yeah, but that's
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kind of like like a fatalistictype attitude, I believe.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'm thinking of another one, wesleyan, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And that would have been John Wesley, so that would
have become Methodist and youcan still have Wesleyan churches
but it's really now is mostlyMethodist church from my
understanding.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
John Calvin, protestant churches are.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, protestant was big during Calvinistic church
19th century too.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, yes, so we can go to the Encyclopedia
Britannica and look up the exactdefinition.
Trying to give you some bulletpoints here, but there aren't
any.
No, it is a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Like I said, there weren't any.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They're not bullet points, it's just a lot of text.
Oh, it's probably what thechurch would have been like too,
so they would have beenLutheran as well.
They agreed on justification byfaith.
The sole authority is scripture, sacrament, the Lord's Supper,
which, again, is a lot of thestuff that we agree with as well
.
We just go a couple of stepsfurther.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You just get a little more wild.
They believe that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God has predetermined who will be saved and who will
not be?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yes, so that is also Jehovah's Witness, because only
so many people will be savedaccording to the Jehovah's
Witness.
Is that right?
And what is that number?
144,000.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
144,000.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I knew it wasn't a lot 144,000.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
That's, that's it.
That's all.
It's getting in quit knockingon my door.
There's already there's alreadymore.
There's like how many jehovahwitnesses do you think are in?
Yeah, like that's, I guaranteeyou.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's more, absolutely, you know, in the
united states, probably morethan 144 000 old ladies knocking
on.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah right, math ain't mathin nope, no, it's not,
no, it's not.
How many did you?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
say 144 000?
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
How many?
Did you say 144,000?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
144,000.
144.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
144 million 8.8 million You're a little off
there are.
That's how many there are.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So 144,000 are accounted to go to heaven and
there's 8.8 million activeJehovah's Witness members, so
you have to ask the question.
Some of them are going to beawfully mad, do you?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
believe only 144,000.
Are those the ones that will beleft here to continue to
witness?
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Talk to Google.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't know.
That may be listen.
I try not to strike up too muchof that conversation during my,
during my home health.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
144 000 will go to heaven and rule with christ.
That's it.
That's 144 000 folks.
If that's the case, I'm outlike why am I living the good
life?
Like, forget it at this point,chances are I ain't making the
cut.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
That's wild.
That's why you have to keeptrying harder.
Yeah, well, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Whatever?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
you say Roger, Maybe I don't knock on enough doors?
I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I don't know.
So I think to say that there isa lot of confusion too in other
denominations.
Like I'm no biblical scholar, Idon't understand all of the
denominations and I'm not goingto profess to have all of the
answers, but I think there's alot of confusion in what they do
and who they are.
But even between like foursquare churches we don't operate
anything like Denison does yougo to?
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Denison?
I'm not trying to be mean, I'mjust calling it like I see it.
It's a lot quieter, a lot morelow key.
Pastor Rod said to me one timehe's like you know, we could go
a year without a message intongues, and I don't worry about
that here.
If we went that long I'd belike what's happening, like
what's going on.
There would be cause forconcern for me.
When they pray for people, theydon't have people walking
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through the parking lot, goingout in the spirit or anything
crazy.
That's what Connie did theother day.
She walked through the parkinglot, went down in the spirit,
just kidding, she didn't really.
She tripped over a pile of dirt, but you know, tripped over a
rock.
But so even inside ourdenomination it's very different
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Baptists.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
There's a huge difference.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
There's Southern Baptists.
There's, yeah, baptist.
There's a huge yes, yes, big.
There's southern baptist.
There's, you know, northernbaptist, eastern baptist, yeah
that's.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
It's a huge swing.
The southern baptists are a lotlike pentecostals though.
Um, if, if you get into the endof theology, yeah well, but I
mean but I think they have a lotlike the worship.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I think they have a lot more legalistic views than
we do, don't they?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, the Southern Baptists are pretty legalistic,
like the no cutting of hair andthe—.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, that—our church wasn't like that because I went
to a Southern Baptist.
But the church that I went towas not like that, but the one
that was five miles down theroad was, you wore a dress.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, you wore a dress.
The men wore suits.
Like yeah, it was yeah yeah,yeah, that's and that's again we
can go back and look at theamish from, did you?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
ever go to church in alabama?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
no, no, one time one time I went to church in alabama
and it was when my grandma diedoh okay I mean, they weren't
churchgoers.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
He was trying to get exercise from the frogs.
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, did mywife send you that audio?
Of course she did.
She's like I could.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He was trying to get exercise from the frogs.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Did my wife send you that audioOf?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
course she did.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
She's like I could listen to that all night.
Yeah, not me, I didn't realizehow many of them sound for frogs
.
We were here.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We were here one night and we were leaving as a
matter of fact, it was Sundaynight I cranked the window open
and you could hear them.
You could hear them, yes, youcould hear them.
And so we go to leave and my Isaid to my kids, I said, do you
hear that they're like?
No, I'm like I do.
And I was in the car they'recoming, the peepers.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I could hear them when I walked in.
That's what I'm saying yeah,like they're they're out there.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Oh, I could listen to that I don't mind listening to
them, but from the safety of myown home with lots of screens I
thought a lot of those soundswere insects.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Nope Like oh, these are all frogs.
Yeah, I know, I think.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yep, they make a lot of noise.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Soothing sounds.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Ugh frogs have multiple languages.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yes.
Dialects Dialects oh, excuse me.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yes, yeah, wow, I'm not an English speaker.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They all speak Frogganese.
That got me thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Did you ever watch the Disney's Legend of Sleepy
Hollow?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, Never seen, it Never seen it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, ichabod Craney is going through the woods and
he hears all these frogs.
And then the frogs start sayinghis name.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Ichabod Ichabod.
Yeah, no, I would havenightmares, and it's a cartoon.
I wouldn't be able to sleep fordays.
I got to thinking of thatcartoon.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I wouldn't be able to sleep for days, I got to take
it.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I could just hear Michael, I'd never be able to
sleep.
I'd put those little onesoutside saying I'm going to have
nightmares tonight thinkingabout it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's like a little half hour.
You know one of the cartoons.
I've never seen it.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Ichabod has a really long nose in that though doesn't
he, I know exactly what you'retalking about.
I've seen clips, but about I'veI've seen clips, but I don't
know that I've ever seen thewhole thing.
You know, I won't even read,like mr toad, the book are you
afraid you're gonna jump?
I don't, I just won't it's gonnagive him nightmares yeah, he
could end up.
You.
Have you guys ever seen, uh,the monster at the end of this
book?
The that's grover, grover'sreading the book.
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It's a sesame street book, it'sgold has.
Uh, what's the?
The ones that had the goldbinding on the edge?
Oh yeah, little golden book orwhatever they're called.
So it's called the Monster atthe End of the Book.
And you open the book and youflip the page and Grover's
sitting there and it's hi, I'mGrover, or whatever.
Grover's telling the story.
He goes wait, did that saythere's a monster at the end of
the book?
Don't turn the page Every timeto turn the page because he's
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afraid of the monster at the endof the book.
When you get to the end of thebook it's grover.
He's telling you not to turnthe page, but he's the monster
at the end of the book.
It's so corny but it's so cute.
But I'll never forget readingthat book to aiden and watching
him cry and cry.
Aaron's like Dad turn the page.
Aiden's sobbing Even though heknew the end of it.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
He had no idea He'd never read it before.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He had no idea.
So he's thinking like we'regoing to turn to the final page
and this monster's going to comeout of the book.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I thought it was going to be like a mirror on the
book I thought you were goingto say it was a frog frog?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh gosh, that would have been terrifying.
That would have been terrifying.
He proofread it first.
Yeah, I had my wife proofreadit.
Tell me, is there a frog at theend of this?
So, as far as otherdenominations go, the reason
that I picked this one again wasthe Community Lenten Services
we are hosting next week, and so, for the first time in two
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years, we will have people fromall sorts of denominations in
our building, so it'll beinteresting to see how that goes
.
The first time that we did it,we scared the daylight out of
people I mean scared thedaylights out of people.
So when we agreed to do it notlast year, the year before I
said to the worship team I'mlike we're going to tone it back
a lot, we're going to slow itdown.
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We're going to pick softer team.
I'm like we're going to tone itback a lot, we're going to slow
it down.
We're going to pick softersongs, lighter songs, a little
bit easier, a little more campy,and it worked a lot better.
We didn't do it last year.
We did not do it last year.
No, we were not asked to do itlast year.
This year.
I didn't give them a choice.
Honestly, we wouldn't have beenasked this year, but I happened
to be at the meeting that theymade the decision and it's not
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intentional.
But if you don't go to themeeting, you don't get included.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's just kind of the way that it is.
Well, they just need to comevisit us more frequently.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Well, the unfortunate part is they have those
meetings on Wednesday mornings.
It's the first Wednesday of themonth.
Well, I have to work, so Ican't be there on those
Wednesdays.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
So it is what it is.
Yeah, because when I started atthe Baptist church it was the
hymnals.
Everything we sang was out ofthe hymnal, you know.
And then we did have somepraise and worship team, but it
was still a lot of the I exaltthee, you know.
A closer walk with me, all ofthose, you know.
But by the time I left we wereBaptocostals.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That tends to happen.
This has been my theory thatPentecostals have always been
ahead of their time.
Now I will say this I don'tlook at the four-square movement
as Pentecostal anymore.
We are charismatic.
Big difference, in my opinion,just in how you describe them.
Look, go watch a video of a realPentecostal church.
It's got a full band and youknow every time the pastor says
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something, you hear the piano go.
You know what I mean.
Like it's that really bigexperience.
The worship team never leavesthe pastor's out there and he'll
tell boys to stop wearingskinny jeans and cut your hair
and look like a man and likethat's a little different than
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what we do, a little moreapostolic, almost.
So when I think of Pentecostal,I'm almost leaning into the
more apostolic vibe, feel,experience we consider.
I consider us charismaticbecause while we believe in
speaking in tongues and we'reslain in the spirit and all of
those things, it's a little morelaid back.
I don't want to use the worddignified because I think that's
an unfair statement.
I don't think that thosechurches are undignified.
I think those churches can bescary to some people, over the
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top to some people.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Is that like the ones where you're doom scrolling?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yes, people like jumping on one side Walking,
just just stomping around,jumping over pews and stuff.
Yes, people like just fallingall over the church.
Yeah, that's a.
That's a real pentecostalchurch.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That's like real pentecostal church is that kind
of like where we went in mary inthat time and there are some
four square churches thatoperate that way yeah, marion,
was it just Marian Christians?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't know, those tend to be what we call
non-denominational churches.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, yeah, and that's what we after.
We left the Southern Baptist,we just became a
non-denominational.
I'll tell you what Sundaynights down there you, the
altars were full and the aisleto get to the altar was full.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I mean, people were just you had to tap people on
the shoulder.
All right, your time's up.
It's like the water fountain.
One, two, three move it.
My turn, one move it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
They just dropped right there.
Right it was.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, marion was the first time I was ever laid out
in the spirit, so let's justtalk about like last Sunday here
, sid, you weren't here, nick,you were here last Sunday, yeah
he was here.
Everybody else was here.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, last.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Sunday.
So last Sunday Last Sunday wedo announcements this place was
dead.
It was a really small group,which was odd because last week
we were at almost 100.
So it was a really light crowd.
None of the visitors that hadbeen semi-regular were here.
So we do announcements andnobody's like everybody's
sitting there and they lookangry.
Everybody in the building justlooks grumpy.
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Nobody's laughing at jokes.
I'm talking like it is dry inthis place.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I have to admit I was tired because we let the
granddaughter spend the nightfor the first time.
She kept us up.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh, she was adorable.
She was adorable, we were justhappy she fell asleep.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
She woke up right at the end of your message.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So whenever I stepped out from announcements and went
back to the sound booth, lizziecame up and she's like Pastor
Michael, do you think there'slike something's just like
really holding the spear back?
I'm like, yes, I said, but I'mwaiting on Holly, cause I know
Holly feels it too Like veryconnected in that way.
And so I went up towards themiddle of the aisle second to
last song, and I was standingthere and I look over and just
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as I look over like Holly, and Ijust missed eye contact
probably four or five times, andso I'd gone back to the sound
booth and she came back andasked me a question.
I was like, yeah, let's, let'sdo it.
And she got the, the billow outand was allowing people to go
into the bill.
Next thing I know there's peopleeverywhere it got stupid really
quick, like, and I say stupidbut like just very excited, very
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quickly, very quickly.
And I was so thankful because Iwas like I'm going into a
message that's a pretty strongword and I wanted to make sure
that we were all in the sameboat.
But we got there.
But we don't get that everySunday either.
There are some Sundays thatit's just really relaxed.
There are some Sundays thatit's really excitable.
But a lot of those visitorsweren't here and there was a
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reason for that, because when itgets excitable and you have all
of those people here, sometimesthey're like I'm not okay with
this.
Like this makes me uncomfortable, so he knows when he's moving
people in and out and what he'sdoing and how he's doing it, and
we just run with it, becausewhat else are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (42:06):
What did you call it?
The billowy the?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
billow.
I've never seen that before, sothat is big in the ladies group
.
Like the ladies do that a lot,so, um, they, the colors
represent different things.
And there's, like holly alwayshas, like, whatever she's
raising the billow for that dayshe'll.
She usually tells them um andlike so you're walking under the
peace of god or you're walkingthrough the whatever.
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So, um, I've seen some wildstuff in some of those ladies
meetings.
Man, I love them, I do, I do.
But I've also learned that likeI am not as open to that as some
other people are, and PastorHolly has never made me
uncomfortable.
Let me make that clear thereare some people who have been
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here who have made meuncomfortable, and not
necessarily because of what theydo or what they say, but like
they're incredibly strong andI'm like I don't like that vibe.
So I hide in the sound booth.
But there's nothing wrong withit, but it is different.
So when Holly first said it tome, I grabbed the shofar because
I thought that's what she meantand then it all started to
click.
Yeah, so it's the same with.
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If you see them put the redcloth over top of somebody who's
slain in the spirit, they'rebeing covered in the blood White
is surrender, which is allrepresentation in the flags as
well.
So hopefully they're going tohave some of that teaching at
the next women's conference.
But it sounds like that haskind of blown up as well that
that may have moved from theoriginal plan to two days and
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it's a whole yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
So gonna be a.
It's like at one time it wasonly supposed to be one day, and
it was ended up to being.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, that was two days , that was two days.
Two days, two services.
But then it went two days,three services.
And somehow after lunch we justcame back and we did it again.
Had no plan on that, but ithappened and here we are doing
our thing and that may have arepeat on this.
Yeah, you never know, you neverknow, you never know.
Well, it is 645, so we've gotto button up because we have to
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get across town.
So whose turn is it to pray?
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Mine.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Pastor Rogers.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
It is.
I think Nick was last.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Nick was last, nick was last week, all right.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Okay, heavenly Father , we do thank you, lord, for
this day.
Lord, we just thank you for allof the churches in our area,
lord.
We just ask you to take andjust bless each one of them,
lord.
Bless the Denison Foursquare,lord, because they are
affiliated with us, lord, and wejust thank you for that.
We thank you for that.
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We thank you for each personthat's sitting at this table,
lord.
We just ask you to take and bewith them on their journey the
rest of this week, lord, andjust allow us to get back here,
and we will be hosting theLenten service next week, lord,
so we just ask a blessing bepoured upon each person that has
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anything to do with it.
Lord, we just thank you forthat privilege and the
opportunity, lord, and we justthank you and praise you.
We give you all the glory.
We just ask this all in Jesus'most precious name, amen.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Amen.
I don't know, I don't know, hey, back to movies real
quick.
So we were talking aboutAirheads, Encino man, Bio Dome,
Howard the Duck what else did we?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I was going to throw Son-in-Law in there.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh my gosh Molly.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shore, because in that movie, when he's at the
college, encino man shows up.
Yes, yep, yep, I forgot aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That was Son-in-Law.
I recently watched that, One ofmy favorite movies ever.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I like it when he gets off of the airplane and
they see him for the first time,when he learns how to feed the
pigs on the roller skates oh howcould I forget?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
See, that's another one of Jarvie's favorites.
Boy cut the boots down.
Yeah, Just the bottom part.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm not sure that.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I've ever seen it Now that one was worth watching one
time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh no, Not the 20 times.
They're all worth watching.
What year?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
was that one, oh, I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hold on, I'll look.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Probably 95.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, definitely 90.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
That curly hair?
Yeah, just like kind of be bopsaround 93.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh 93.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I like it when he's on the combine.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, and he's singing John Denver.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, some John Denver yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, good stuff.
Hey, nick, I want to just sharea fun Elvis tidbit with you for
today.
So I signed up for acompetition.
There were 15 contestants.
I just recently found out thatthey extended the deadline now
it's like 25 and 25 contestants.
I have no problem with that.
Here's my complaint.
This is a super entry-levelcontest.
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Up at the point when I hadsigned up, it was mostly like
guys who had never been incompetitions before, guys who
had never, could never competein big competitions like the
Nashville Elvis Festival, thingslike that.
Now it's this list ofheadliners that are all like
none of us stand a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Really None of us stand a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh now don't, no, seriously Like these guys have
won the Nashville Elvis Festival, which is an ultimate qualifier
.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
These guys have won, so the extra 10 people they let
in have all been like majormajor headliners.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Other places are they afraid they didn't get a big
enough draw.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
is that maybe why they let them in?
That's my guess.
Is they felt like, okay, it'sso entry level that we really
don't have like people aren'tgonna buy tickets to come.
So I'm a little bit peeved,yeah, but I'm like you know what
, I'm gonna go, going to go andhave a good time, so didn't
think anything beyond that.
I'm like you know, I'm going togo have a good time, sold all
of my Elvis belts to buy newones.
Okay, because mine, some of minesnapped in the front versus
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having the hook system likeElvis did.
So I sold all of mine, orderedall new when I Nashville who
bought one of them.
He bought my peacock belt, as amatter of fact, so I mailed it
to him.
He messaged me the other dayand said hey, dude, I wore your
belt on stage.
It looked fantastic.
Thanks so much.
Yada, yada.
So now we're we strike up aconversation.
It turns out he was at theElvis festival.
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At the Nashville Elvis festivalplaced in the top 10.
Okay, didn't get any higher.
He didn't get top five, butplaced, but placed top 10.
Um, and he starts giving mepointers on my elva show.
Now I don't take offense tothat because, whatever I'm like,
but, dude, you didn't evenplace top 10, like he's telling
me, like you should stand withyour feet, spread more I'm like
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vocally.
I will match you note for note.
Dude, like, don't like,whatever, he never mind.
Let's just say that, okay,constructive criticism is fine,
but you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You got a place before you can call me, yeah
yeah, if you, if you've askedfor it right, if I would have
said hey, man, did you see myvideos?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
what do you think he didn't he just have any point,
or just came in, just came in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And it's whatever.
Like I said, he didn't hurt myfeelings.
I said, hey, thanks for theadvice, and I did think about it
this morning when I wasshowering.
I was like you know what?
It's not terrible advice.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
But I also have never considered, like I'm not trying
to win the ultimate contestever in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But that's his dream.
Like that's what he wants to do.
That's his pinnacle.
Me, I'm like man.
I got a residency at the fleamarket in Amish country.
I'm pretty good about myself.
There's just a difference indesire.
Like that's what he does for aliving.
I don't plan to do that.
Do you do that monthly?
Now, I don't.
We haven't established an exactrotation yet, but it sounds
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like monthly, maybe even twice amonth, just depending on.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Where was that?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Walnut Creek Flea Market.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, and that just happened on a whim.
I had reached out to the ladywho owns it.
We did travel shows togethermany years ago and I just said,
hey, listen, I know you used tohave an Elvis.
If you don't have one anymore,hit me up.
If you do, I don't want to takeaway from him.
You know good, bad orindifferent whether he was good
or not, I just didn't want totake away from him.
And she said, yeah, that'd begreat.
When can you stop by and chat?
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And I was like, well, Thursdaywould work, so I pop in on
Thursday.
We're chatting a little bit,and she goes.
Okay, and she's running herfinger down the counter.
She goes this saturday.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
it was that fast so, uh, yeah, she must not have ran
her finger down too too far.
Then she's like oh okay, yeah,ah, there, it is that one's open
um.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So it was funny, because the girl behind the desk
who writes the checks and doesall of her like accounting stuff
, she said to me she goes andwhat do you do?
I said, oh, I do, elvis.
And she said really.
And I said yeah, she got a laughand I heard her say well, he
must be young Elvis.
I came out of that dressingroom, dude, I thought they were
going to lose their stinkingminds.
It was, and I wore powder bluefor the first half and then
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changed to my tie.
It was crazy.
At one point there was just atotal backup where the stage was
at, which is in front of thepretzel shop Total backup.
Nobody could get throughbecause everybody had stopped,
Everybody.
Just a dead stop in the middle.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
We had a great time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We had a really good time, so I was thankful for that
opportunity.
Hopefully we get all of thebookings done and we can make it
happen more regularly, butwe'll see.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Nick, I got to ask.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hold on, okay, I saw, some pictures of Cash and the
King oh at the Amish CountryTheater and I was just curious
about the talent there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, I don't really want to talk about that.
I have some hurt feelings overthat.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm thinking like why doesn't Michael do that?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
They won't let me.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Because I'm looking at, I'm like ah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, they won't let me.
So the guy who does Elvis, he.
I could go on for hours.
Let's just put it that way Good, bad or indifferent.
I could go on for hours.
Nice enough, guy Not.
He's not an Elvis.
He might be an Elvis fan, buthe's not.
He doesn't wear jumpsuits.
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It is a tribute, not animpersonation.
That's what he.
That's how he builds that show.
However, they put Elvis on thebillboard on all of the digital
marketing.
So you look at that and go, oh,this is probably.
And then you get there and it'sthe guy that's in all of their
comedy variety shows.
They're saying, in their comedyvariety sings Elvis songs.
It's really it.
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And I said to them one time I'mlike, hey, if you guys ever want
to make a change, just let meknow.
I'm sure we can work it out.
And they won't, they just won't.
So fine by me, whatever.
Whatever.
It is interesting though.
So that was actually the veryfirst show that my wife and I
ever saw there whenever theyhired us.
When they hired me, I say us,but they did hire us.
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But when they hired me, um, butit was not him doing Elvis, it
was a different guy.
Heavy set Didn't wear jumpsuits, he wore like what we would
call it was casual wear bellbottom pants, puffy sleeve shirt
and a belt.
This dude was terrible.
I'm talking it was.
So I'm sitting and we're deadcenter.
Is this really happening?
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Wide-eyed mouth agape andthey're like how was the show?
And I'm like it was good, itwas good.
Yeah, they swiftly changed fromhim yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Okay, jfk.
Classified files.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Have you read them All, 32,000 pages he?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
started.
Here's what I'm told.
I'm told there's nothing inthere that we don't already know
.
I heard there's nothingearth-shaking.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, mostly, I heard it mostly will explain how the
CIA worked during that time.
Yeah, so, yeah, I haven't heardanything mind-blowing come out
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, it was the same with the Epstein files.
When they released those, therewas nothing in there that we
hadn't already seen.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, my opinion is, they've destroyed whatever they
didn't want us to see, right?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And even if they haven't destroyed that, if we
ever did get to see it, it wouldbe so heavily redacted we
wouldn't know anything yeah.
The release of files is onething, the release of viable
files or usable files orimportant files, is a completely
different thing.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I'm sure there'll be some information that will be
of use to historians, butnothing Somebody's writing a
book about it.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let's be sure of that .
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I watched a press conference with uh, the woman
that is heading up this, youknow investigation is that pam
bondy?
Uh, no, she's.
She kind of looks, uh I don'tknow if she's latina or what she
is, but long dark hair andthere's, and then I think
there's a a guy there too.
And uh, this woman, during thispress conference she made the
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statement that she believesthere was two shooters yeah,
second gunman on the grassyknoll she didn't back it up with
any information she, she justsaid it yeah and I'm like, okay,
well, you know, we're all abouttransparency here yeah you know
explain and she didn't explainwhy she felt that way but here's
I thought well, maybe it'llcome out with all of this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, you can get.
I mean, you watch that as apruder film over and over again.
I personally cannot see howthat shot came from the back.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To save my life.
I can't see that.
I mean, if you've seen it right, yes, it is intense, and I
can't imagine an entry woundcould do that, cause usually
it's on exit that we make a mess.
Right and it came out thebackside messy.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So how did that happen?
I thought it was the side inthe front.
That's messy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Mm-mm.
No, jackie was on the back ofthe car.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Catching all of the blowout.
Yeah, it's the back.
No, it's the back, because ifyou look at the autopsy photos
that they took at ParklandHospital, the back is wide open.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Because they got him through the neck right.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yep, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Is that the one that hit the governor in the wrist?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That might have been the third shot, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
But like there was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'm not an expert on this.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, and they said that there's the type of firearm
that he was using.
It would have been hard for himto get off three shots that
fast.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's people argue he was well within.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And maybe he was.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I'm in the range to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So I've heard both.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Both scenarios played out?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, but the ones that say he could have those are
the ones being paid by the CIA.
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't know, I don't know, I really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We won't post any photos in the comments of this.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I've never been one way or the other on that one.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I love a good conspiracy and I love to argue
the opposite of whatever anybodyelse thinks.
So that's why Elvis isn't dead,by the way, Right.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, oh, I saw a headline this week that they
think Jim Morrison is stillalive.
Oh interesting that somebodyhas pictures of just got these
new pictures and they are prettycertain it's him that he faked
his death and lives in Paris andwhatnot?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I think Elvis still lives at Graceland.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He just lives upstairs.
He's still upstairs, justupstairs.
He's not allowed to go there,so he can't go upstairs.
That's why he don't let you upthere.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yep, I did read the other day that his aunt, delta,
lived in Graceland even afterthey opened it, which I knew
that but didn't realize to theextent.
So Elvis's aunt lived with themwhile he was alive.
When Elvis died, pretty mucheverybody left except for Delta.
She stayed in the house.
So when you toured the houseyou couldn't see her bedroom,
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which was Gladys's bedroom Ifyou go on the tour of the
bedroom towards the back, andyou couldn't see the kitchen,
because that was kind of the twospots that she went to.
However, she was known tobelittle guests as they were
walking through the mansion oron the ground, because she
didn't want them there.
I'm like the mansion, or on theground because she didn't want
them there, that's prettyawesome.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
She's probably a feisty little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, when you look at the pictures, you would
assume that by looking at hertoo, huh Wild to think she lived
in a museum.
She physically lived in amuseum, weird.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I wonder if she had any ghosts.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well that's the episode for the night.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Have a great night you know the one going back to
JFK real quick.
The one thing that has alwaystroubled me about that whole day
is the beginning at thebreakfast, when they give JFK
the cowboy hat and they say youneed something to protect you
from the rain.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It wasn't the rain.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And the thing is he did not like to wear hats.
So it was almost like, and Igrew up, my grandparents and my
family, they loved JFK.
My grandparents, uh, and myfamily, they love jfk.
And I grew up with them alwayssaying that was texas way of
saying you're getting it todayyeah by giving him that hat and
saying we think you needsomething to protect you from
the rain.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Interesting, and they knew what he didn't like
wearing hats though yeah, it'salmost like a jab you know
interesting, I didn't know thatso yeah, that's the one thing I
don't when I mean I watch, seethat every time.
I'm like I've watched thatbreakfast a million times
because I thought it wasfascinating that jackie didn't
come to breakfast.
They ended up making her comedownstairs.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
They had a like.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
They filmed this breakfast yes, really they
filmed a lot of that whole dayyes, that that's what I'm saying
.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That that's the bizarre part to me is how much
of it is documented and so well,yeah, I mean the time he gets
off the plane to like,everything is very well
documented.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But in fairness, he was also really the first
television president yeah, itwas the first president to ever
really be you know, jackie wasalmost more famous than he was
and that was the whole reasonshe went with him on this
particular trip is because theyreally thought that she would
help help him and so when shewasn't going to come down for
that breakfast, they're like no,you don't understand, she has
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to come down.
All these women have come tosee her.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And the joke that he made that day was that he became
known as the man whoaccompanied Jackie Kennedy to
Paris.
He's the president of theUnited States.
He didn't matter.
Jackie was the one thatmattered, yeah that was a big
deal yeah.
And all the way down to LyndonJohnson taking the oath of
office, with Jackie standingnext to him in bloodstained
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clothes.
All of it was intentional.
They didn't want her to change,they wanted her standing there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
She didn't want to change.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, Looking that way so that they what she said was I
want them to see what they'vedone.
It was bizarre.
That whole thing to me is crazy.
There's some really weirdconnections between the Kennedy
assassination and the Lincolnassassination.
Lincoln's secretary's last namewas Kennedy and Kennedy's
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secretary's last name wasLincoln, which is just one of
those weird nuances.
One was shot in a theater andthe person hid in a warehouse
and the other was the opposite.
Like it was just very strange,yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And I just caught this Manson documentary this new
one, and it's all focused onthe CIA.
Same psychiatrist that workedfor the cia that they were
working on uh experiments withlsd and trying to control
(16:04):
people's minds, they said islinked to manson and this doctor
.
But he's the same psychiatristthat went in and uh observed
jack ruby and he's the one thatsaid he's too ill to stand trial
.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Really, because he was on LSD.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, just like they're just saying, so, the CIA
not only has something to dowith Manson and his behavior and
what went on there.
It was almost like it'sfar-reaching.
Yeah, it really is.
But when they tie certainthings in, you're going, oh man,
this, this is all you know tiedtogether, and then so they're
there.
They made these comparisonsbetween the JFK assassination
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and the events that took placewith the Manson family in the
late 60s.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Let's just let's just all CIA related.
Ask the question did we reallyland on the moon?
Did we, Did we?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't know, I don't know.
Is there wind on the moon?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, so if you look at the video, that's, the big
one is that the flag is wavingand it shouldn't wave, but
they're saying that it's fromthe way that it was stuck into
the lunar soil, because there'sactually a cord that holds the
flag so that it would stayspread out.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
They got a little electric motor in there.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They're pushing it no no, but when they stuck it in
the ground it still jiggled likeit's a hole.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I was like the ones that came back from the ISS.
There was a picture that showedthe one lady you know up in
space and like pale as can be,and then another picture of her
coming back and like just tan ascan be, and they're like is
this the same?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
lady moonburn, moonburn, yeah right but she um
set a record for the most timespace walking by a female.
Well, what else are you gonnado?
Yeah, might as well go out andenjoy the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Break records Eight days, and it ended up being nine
and a half months.
Can you?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
imagine, and they stand to be very rich people,
even if they weren't before,because I mean that's not going
to end well, oh, yeah, did shepack hair dye Because there was
not any gray.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, that's true too .
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Maybe you don't age on the moon.
Maybe, like when you're on theInternational Space Station, you
don't age.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, she was very gray, like black and white, like
salt, and pepper in the firstpicture and then the recent
picture is like very yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, maybe they gave her a spray tan before they put
her out and they dyed her hairfor her real quick.
I thought it was interesting.
Did you see him being wheeledout in those really big
wheelchairs?
I thought that was reallyinteresting.
I guess it has something to dowith like blood clots and like,
because there's no gravity,their blood flows differently.
It's a whole like when they gethere, they have to like rebuild
muscle mass and things likethat.
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So, okay, interesting, veryinteresting.
All right, you ready?
I thought this was a timelyquestion.
Have you ever seen Christiansfrom other denominations
worshiping?
What did you learn from that?
The reason I picked this one isthe community Lenten services
right now, so I thought likethis would be a good
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conversation to have.
Don and I got to enjoy themessage last week what campfire
songs were they singing?
oh my gosh.
I wish I could remember off thetop of my head.
But it was fun, wasn't it?
They didn't do power in, but itwas fun, wasn't it?
Power in the blood.
I remember that, no, wasn't itpower?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
in the blood.
They didn't do power in theblood it was something.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Blood, though.
Nothing but the blood.
What can wash away my sins?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
I can't remember all of them,but it was a good time.
So I've known John for a longtime.
You've known John for a longtime.
Sid, wonderful man, it's justsuch a different experience
being there during worship.
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It's his wife playing piano,yeah, four people singing, and
then he grabs a microphone andjumps in, and then that's just
how they.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You know what, though ?
That's how Jeff was before thattoo.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's what?
Well, it's.
Jeff kind of was more on thekeyboard every now and then.
But yeah, it's just a veryunique um experience at a place
like that.
So they only seat a hundredpeople.
There were over a hundred inthe building so it was like for
them probably felt really goodto have such a full house, or
bringing up folding chairs outof the basement, um.
But overall it was reallyinteresting to see because there
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were Methodists there, therewere Presbyterians there, there
were Pentecostals there.
I mean, it's a Pentecostalchurch but lots of people from
different denominations.
But what I found the mostinteresting, that when Pastor
Holly was delivering the messagethere was one thing that worked
for everybody.
She told a goofy joke andeverybody laughed and I mean
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it's what changed.
Honestly, it's what flippedthat uncomfortable start to that
very comfortable like OK, wecan go now yeah.
Yeah, it was really interestingto watch that happen.
Once everybody was like OK,because I got to introduce her.
And once they realized wearen't just crazy Pentecostals,
right, they were like OK, thisis you know, she didn't do
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anything, she wasn't speaking intongues or you know, throwing
snakes out into the audience oranything like that.
But once they got a handle onit, it was a great message and
it was a great time to be witheverybody.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yep that's the whole episode, I can only say it from
just growing up, just being well, and you know I've been to
Catholic funerals Sit, stand,kneel, pray, yee-haw.
And that's quite the experience.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Funerals and weddings .
Yeah, weddings just as bad.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that's something a lot just very ceremonial.
You know, everything is justvery I'm sure every Catholic
funeral or wedding is prettymuch the same, but they I'm sure
every Catholic funeral orwedding is pretty much the same,
but they all have a yep, it'svery like I said structured,
Just growing up in a Methodistchurch.
it was just yeah, they'resinging hymns.
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You know, you stand up, yousing a hymn, you sit down and
preach for a little bit.
You stand up, sing a hymn, sitdown.
That's what I remember as a kid.
In my mind that's what Ithought all churches are like.
That's how church is.
You don't realize that all thechurches that you drive past
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there's a lot of differenttradition to what they do and
how they worship and all thatkind of thing.
So yeah, I can only say fromwhat I've experienced, in my
lifetime, I can't say, sinceI've joined this church, I
haven't.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Besides our own other four square in Denison, yeah.
I don't think I've attendedanother church since that time.
What?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
were you going to say ?
You said Presbyterian, yeah,you need to go to a Presbyterian
church.
Well, we're going to do thattonight, because tonight we're
at Denison Presbyterian forcommunity Lenten service,
railway Chapel, over across fromthe police station in the city
building in Denison.
Okay, I thought so.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, but it's definitely different yeah
definitely different.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, so definitely different.
One of the things I strugglewith with the Presbyterian
church is the call and responseyeah, lutheran is like that too
right.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I don't know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Explain that.
So call and response is theywill read something and it will
be like whatever, and in yourlittle program you get your
little, your little pamphletwhen you walk in.
In bold is the part that youread back, and so the
congregation together reads backthe next line, and they may do
that two or three differenttimes or it may be one long
passage that they do that with,but it's uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Now growing up Methodist.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
our church did that, you did call and response yeah,
and it's nothing wrong with it,it just is very strange to me
and it's part of the part of hismessage.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like the pre message, so you have might have two or
three songs.
Then there's a call andresponse.
All of that is really pre word.
After the word maybe a call andresponse again, or a song or
whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But that's what I was going to say.
My grandma she was Lutheran.
So like growing up, like yousaid, like standing and sitting,
but there were times like I wasvery familiar with, like Bethel
a lot of times I'm like, oh,you know, we'll sing like 30, 40
minutes and then we'll sit downfor the whole time.
But the Lutheran, I think likethey did the call and response,
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but kind of broke it up inbetween songs.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So then I was always like looking at my grandma, like
side eyeing her, I'm like, oh,I got to sit down now, oh.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I got to stand up.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, We'll probably experience that tonight
.
That would be my guess.
So they have an organist thereand I don't know that they'll
play the organ tonight.
They may just play the piano.
They have a huge grand piano.
I mean, it's like OG to thechurch grand piano, and that
church is fascinating.
By the way, if you don't knowthe story, no-transcript
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sanctuary huh, reallyinteresting.
Yeah, that was built by railwayworkers.
That whole building was builtby railway workers.
Um, but my guess is is we'll doa couple of songs and then
probably a call and response.
Another song and thenintroduction of whoever's
speaking tonight would be.
My guess is we'll do a coupleof songs and then probably a
call, and response another songand then introduction of
whoever's speaking tonight wouldbe my guess, Because they try
to keep it fresh for all of usPentecostals, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So do you think people get offended by different
denominations Depends on theprocess of worship, or is it
more that they're justuncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Me too, I think uncomfortable, because they see
that we're all like have thesame end goal.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Most of us, most of us yeah.
There are some that I question.
Yeah, just travel to that endgoal is a little different.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah, there are some that I question.
Yeah, just travel to that endgoal is a little different.
Yeah, some people are on thebus, some people are in a car, a
rail car Yep.
Some people are on a buggy.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah.
You know Some people are ontheir feet with no shoes on,
like us.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, they're shoedabakers.
Shoedabakers, or is that rud tobake the?
Uh, yeah, I think it'suncomfortable, and even for me
it's not necessarilyuncomfortable as much as it is
like, oh wait, wasn't supposedto do that.
Oh, we're standing right nowlike it's that, like I'm not
sure, because I've never donethat.
Um, I don't think there's anyoffense.
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I will tell you that, like Iwould guess that if somebody was
going to be offended this isnot a dig at any of these
denominations it would be thePresbyterians and the Methodists
who come to a Pentecostalchurch Because to them worship
is singing songs out of a hymnaland their church is
traditionally pretty quiet andvery relaxed, and they come to a
church like here and worshipfor us is a little bit different
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, it's a little more excitable.
So it would and again, I don'tknow if offended is the word as
much as they're like I don'tknow what just happened in there
like confused.
It's too loud.
Yes, yeah, it's too loud.
Well, turn your hearing aiddown.
Huh, say what?
Yeah, are any of you?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
familiar with the term.
Huh, eh Say what.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, are any of you familiar with the term Calvinism
.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, so Is that still .
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, that was big in the During the Civil War, but
it's so the Calvinism Calvinistsare now?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Are they presbyterian ?
Are they because john wesleywas baptist?
He was methodist methodistmethodist.
So I think, hold on, let mejust I thought, uh, the
presbyterians were big on thecalvinist.
Yeah, maybe that's it, becauseI it's like the denomination has
advanced to now be apresbyterian yeah, but that's
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kind of like like a fatalistictype attitude, I believe.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'm thinking of another one, wesleyan, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And that would have been John Wesley, so that would
have become Methodist and youcan still have Wesleyan churches
but it's really now is mostlyMethodist church from my
understanding.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
John Calvin, protestant churches are.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, protestant was big during Calvinistic church
19th century too.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, yes, so we can go to the Encyclopedia
Britannica and look up the exactdefinition.
Trying to give you some bulletpoints here, but there aren't
any.
No, it is a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Like I said, there weren't any.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They're not bullet points, it's just a lot of text.
Oh, it's probably what thechurch would have been like too,
so they would have beenLutheran as well.
They agreed on justification byfaith.
The sole authority is scripture, sacrament, the Lord's Supper,
which, again, is a lot of thestuff that we agree with as well
.
We just go a couple of stepsfurther.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You just get a little more wild.
They believe that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
God has predetermined who will be saved and who will
not be?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yes, so that is also Jehovah's Witness, because only
so many people will be savedaccording to the Jehovah's
Witness.
Is that right?
And what is that number?
144,000.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
144,000.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I knew it wasn't a lot 144,000.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
That's, that's it.
That's all.
It's getting in quit knockingon my door.
There's already there's alreadymore.
There's like how many jehovahwitnesses do you think are in?
Yeah, like that's, I guaranteeyou.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's more, absolutely, you know, in the
united states, probably morethan 144 000 old ladies knocking
on.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah right, math ain't mathin nope, no, it's not,
no, it's not.
How many did you?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
say 144 000?
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
How many?
Did you say 144,000?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
144,000.
144.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
144 million 8.8 million You're a little off
there are.
That's how many there are.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So 144,000 are accounted to go to heaven and
there's 8.8 million activeJehovah's Witness members, so
you have to ask the question.
Some of them are going to beawfully mad, do you?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
believe only 144,000.
Are those the ones that will beleft here to continue to
witness?
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Talk to Google.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't know.
That may be listen.
I try not to strike up too muchof that conversation during my,
during my home health.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
144 000 will go to heaven and rule with christ.
That's it.
That's 144 000 folks.
If that's the case, I'm outlike why am I living the good
life?
Like, forget it at this point,chances are I ain't making the
cut.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
That's wild.
That's why you have to keeptrying harder.
Yeah, well, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Whatever?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
you say Roger, Maybe I don't knock on enough doors?
I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I don't know.
So I think to say that there isa lot of confusion too in other
denominations.
Like I'm no biblical scholar, Idon't understand all of the
denominations and I'm not goingto profess to have all of the
answers, but I think there's alot of confusion in what they do
and who they are.
But even between like foursquare churches we don't operate
anything like Denison does yougo to?
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Denison?
I'm not trying to be mean, I'mjust calling it like I see it.
It's a lot quieter, a lot morelow key.
Pastor Rod said to me one timehe's like you know, we could go
a year without a message intongues, and I don't worry about
that here.
If we went that long I'd belike what's happening, like
what's going on.
There would be cause forconcern for me.
When they pray for people, theydon't have people walking
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through the parking lot, goingout in the spirit or anything
crazy.
That's what Connie did theother day.
She walked through the parkinglot, went down in the spirit,
just kidding, she didn't really.
She tripped over a pile of dirt, but you know, tripped over a
rock.
But so even inside ourdenomination it's very different
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Baptists.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
There's a huge difference.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
There's Southern Baptists.
There's, yeah, baptist.
There's a huge yes, yes, big.
There's southern baptist.
There's, you know, northernbaptist, eastern baptist, yeah
that's.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
It's a huge swing.
The southern baptists are a lotlike pentecostals though.
Um, if, if you get into the endof theology, yeah well, but I
mean but I think they have a lotlike the worship.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I think they have a lot more legalistic views than
we do, don't they?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, the Southern Baptists are pretty legalistic,
like the no cutting of hair andthe—.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, that—our church wasn't like that because I went
to a Southern Baptist.
But the church that I went towas not like that, but the one
that was five miles down theroad was, you wore a dress.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, you wore a dress.
The men wore suits.
Like yeah, it was yeah yeah,yeah, that's and that's again we
can go back and look at theamish from, did you?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
ever go to church in alabama?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
no, no, one time one time I went to church in alabama
and it was when my grandma diedoh okay I mean, they weren't
churchgoers.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
He was trying to get exercise from the frogs.
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, did mywife send you that audio?
Of course she did.
She's like I could.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He was trying to get exercise from the frogs.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Did my wife send you that audioOf?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
course she did.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
She's like I could listen to that all night.
Yeah, not me, I didn't realizehow many of them sound for frogs
.
We were here.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We were here one night and we were leaving as a
matter of fact, it was Sundaynight I cranked the window open
and you could hear them.
You could hear them, yes, youcould hear them.
And so we go to leave and my Isaid to my kids, I said, do you
hear that they're like?
No, I'm like I do.
And I was in the car they'recoming, the peepers.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I could hear them when I walked in.
That's what I'm saying yeah,like they're they're out there.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Oh, I could listen to that I don't mind listening to
them, but from the safety of myown home with lots of screens I
thought a lot of those soundswere insects.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Nope Like oh, these are all frogs.
Yeah, I know, I think.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yep, they make a lot of noise.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Soothing sounds.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Ugh frogs have multiple languages.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yes.
Dialects Dialects oh, excuse me.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yes, yeah, wow, I'm not an English speaker.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They all speak Frogganese.
That got me thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Did you ever watch the Disney's Legend of Sleepy
Hollow?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, Never seen, it Never seen it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, ichabod Craney is going through the woods and
he hears all these frogs.
And then the frogs start sayinghis name.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Ichabod Ichabod.
Yeah, no, I would havenightmares, and it's a cartoon.
I wouldn't be able to sleep fordays.
I got to thinking of thatcartoon.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I wouldn't be able to sleep for days, I got to take
it.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I could just hear Michael, I'd never be able to
sleep.
I'd put those little onesoutside saying I'm going to have
nightmares tonight thinkingabout it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's like a little half hour.
You know one of the cartoons.
I've never seen it.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Ichabod has a really long nose in that though doesn't
he, I know exactly what you'retalking about.
I've seen clips, but about I'veI've seen clips, but I don't
know that I've ever seen thewhole thing.
You know, I won't even read,like mr toad, the book are you
afraid you're gonna jump?
I don't, I just won't it's gonnagive him nightmares yeah, he
could end up.
You.
Have you guys ever seen, uh,the monster at the end of this
book?
The that's grover, grover'sreading the book.
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It's a sesame street book, it'sgold has.
Uh, what's the?
The ones that had the goldbinding on the edge?
Oh yeah, little golden book orwhatever they're called.
So it's called the Monster atthe End of the Book.
And you open the book and youflip the page and Grover's
sitting there and it's hi, I'mGrover, or whatever.
Grover's telling the story.
He goes wait, did that saythere's a monster at the end of
the book?
Don't turn the page Every timeto turn the page because he's
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afraid of the monster at the endof the book.
When you get to the end of thebook it's grover.
He's telling you not to turnthe page, but he's the monster
at the end of the book.
It's so corny but it's so cute.
But I'll never forget readingthat book to aiden and watching
him cry and cry.
Aaron's like Dad turn the page.
Aiden's sobbing Even though heknew the end of it.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
He had no idea He'd never read it before.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He had no idea.
So he's thinking like we'regoing to turn to the final page
and this monster's going to comeout of the book.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I thought it was going to be like a mirror on the
book I thought you were goingto say it was a frog frog?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh gosh, that would have been terrifying.
That would have been terrifying.
He proofread it first.
Yeah, I had my wife proofreadit.
Tell me, is there a frog at theend of this?
So, as far as otherdenominations go, the reason
that I picked this one again wasthe Community Lenten Services
we are hosting next week, and so, for the first time in two
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years, we will have people fromall sorts of denominations in
our building, so it'll beinteresting to see how that goes
.
The first time that we did it,we scared the daylight out of
people I mean scared thedaylights out of people.
So when we agreed to do it notlast year, the year before I
said to the worship team I'mlike we're going to tone it back
a lot, we're going to slow itdown.
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We're going to pick softer team.
I'm like we're going to tone itback a lot, we're going to slow
it down.
We're going to pick softersongs, lighter songs, a little
bit easier, a little more campy,and it worked a lot better.
We didn't do it last year.
We did not do it last year.
No, we were not asked to do itlast year.
This year.
I didn't give them a choice.
Honestly, we wouldn't have beenasked this year, but I happened
to be at the meeting that theymade the decision and it's not
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intentional.
But if you don't go to themeeting, you don't get included.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's just kind of the way that it is.
Well, they just need to comevisit us more frequently.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Well, the unfortunate part is they have those
meetings on Wednesday mornings.
It's the first Wednesday of themonth.
Well, I have to work, so Ican't be there on those
Wednesdays.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
So it is what it is.
Yeah, because when I started atthe Baptist church it was the
hymnals.
Everything we sang was out ofthe hymnal, you know.
And then we did have somepraise and worship team, but it
was still a lot of the I exaltthee, you know.
A closer walk with me, all ofthose, you know.
But by the time I left we wereBaptocostals.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That tends to happen.
This has been my theory thatPentecostals have always been
ahead of their time.
Now I will say this I don'tlook at the four-square movement
as Pentecostal anymore.
We are charismatic.
Big difference, in my opinion,just in how you describe them.
Look, go watch a video of a realPentecostal church.
It's got a full band and youknow every time the pastor says
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something, you hear the piano go.
You know what I mean.
Like it's that really bigexperience.
The worship team never leavesthe pastor's out there and he'll
tell boys to stop wearingskinny jeans and cut your hair
and look like a man and likethat's a little different than
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what we do, a little moreapostolic, almost.
So when I think of Pentecostal,I'm almost leaning into the
more apostolic vibe, feel,experience we consider.
I consider us charismaticbecause while we believe in
speaking in tongues and we'reslain in the spirit and all of
those things, it's a little morelaid back.
I don't want to use the worddignified because I think that's
an unfair statement.
I don't think that thosechurches are undignified.
I think those churches can bescary to some people, over the
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top to some people.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Is that like the ones where you're doom scrolling?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yes, people like jumping on one side Walking,
just just stomping around,jumping over pews and stuff.
Yes, people like just fallingall over the church.
Yeah, that's a.
That's a real pentecostalchurch.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That's like real pentecostal church is that kind
of like where we went in mary inthat time and there are some
four square churches thatoperate that way yeah, marion,
was it just Marian Christians?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't know, those tend to be what we call
non-denominational churches.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, yeah, and that's what we after.
We left the Southern Baptist,we just became a
non-denominational.
I'll tell you what Sundaynights down there you, the
altars were full and the aisleto get to the altar was full.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I mean, people were just you had to tap people on
the shoulder.
All right, your time's up.
It's like the water fountain.
One, two, three move it.
My turn, one move it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
They just dropped right there.
Right it was.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, marion was the first time I was ever laid out
in the spirit, so let's justtalk about like last Sunday here
, sid, you weren't here, nick,you were here last Sunday, yeah
he was here.
Everybody else was here.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, last.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Sunday.
So last Sunday Last Sunday wedo announcements this place was
dead.
It was a really small group,which was odd because last week
we were at almost 100.
So it was a really light crowd.
None of the visitors that hadbeen semi-regular were here.
So we do announcements andnobody's like everybody's
sitting there and they lookangry.
Everybody in the building justlooks grumpy.
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Nobody's laughing at jokes.
I'm talking like it is dry inthis place.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I have to admit I was tired because we let the
granddaughter spend the nightfor the first time.
She kept us up.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh, she was adorable.
She was adorable, we were justhappy she fell asleep.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
She woke up right at the end of your message.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So whenever I stepped out from announcements and went
back to the sound booth, lizziecame up and she's like Pastor
Michael, do you think there'slike something's just like
really holding the spear back?
I'm like, yes, I said, but I'mwaiting on Holly, cause I know
Holly feels it too Like veryconnected in that way.
And so I went up towards themiddle of the aisle second to
last song, and I was standingthere and I look over and just
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as I look over like Holly, and Ijust missed eye contact
probably four or five times, andso I'd gone back to the sound
booth and she came back andasked me a question.
I was like, yeah, let's, let'sdo it.
And she got the, the billow outand was allowing people to go
into the bill.
Next thing I know there's peopleeverywhere it got stupid really
quick, like, and I say stupidbut like just very excited, very
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quickly, very quickly.
And I was so thankful because Iwas like I'm going into a
message that's a pretty strongword and I wanted to make sure
that we were all in the sameboat.
But we got there.
But we don't get that everySunday either.
There are some Sundays thatit's just really relaxed.
There are some Sundays thatit's really excitable.
But a lot of those visitorsweren't here and there was a
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reason for that, because when itgets excitable and you have all
of those people here, sometimesthey're like I'm not okay with
this.
Like this makes me uncomfortable, so he knows when he's moving
people in and out and what he'sdoing and how he's doing it, and
we just run with it, becausewhat else are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (42:06):
What did you call it?
The billowy the?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
billow.
I've never seen that before, sothat is big in the ladies group
.
Like the ladies do that a lot,so, um, they, the colors
represent different things.
And there's, like holly alwayshas, like, whatever she's
raising the billow for that dayshe'll.
She usually tells them um andlike so you're walking under the
peace of god or you're walkingthrough the whatever.
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So, um, I've seen some wildstuff in some of those ladies
meetings.
Man, I love them, I do, I do.
But I've also learned that likeI am not as open to that as some
other people are, and PastorHolly has never made me
uncomfortable.
Let me make that clear thereare some people who have been
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here who have made meuncomfortable, and not
necessarily because of what theydo or what they say, but like
they're incredibly strong andI'm like I don't like that vibe.
So I hide in the sound booth.
But there's nothing wrong withit, but it is different.
So when Holly first said it tome, I grabbed the shofar because
I thought that's what she meantand then it all started to
click.
Yeah, so it's the same with.
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If you see them put the redcloth over top of somebody who's
slain in the spirit, they'rebeing covered in the blood White
is surrender, which is allrepresentation in the flags as
well.
So hopefully they're going tohave some of that teaching at
the next women's conference.
But it sounds like that haskind of blown up as well that
that may have moved from theoriginal plan to two days and
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it's a whole yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
So gonna be a.
It's like at one time it wasonly supposed to be one day, and
it was ended up to being.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, that was two days , that was two days.
Two days, two services.
But then it went two days,three services.
And somehow after lunch we justcame back and we did it again.
Had no plan on that, but ithappened and here we are doing
our thing and that may have arepeat on this.
Yeah, you never know, you neverknow, you never know.
Well, it is 645, so we've gotto button up because we have to
(44:07):
get across town.
So whose turn is it to pray?
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Mine.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Pastor Rogers.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
It is.
I think Nick was last.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Nick was last, nick was last week, all right.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Okay, heavenly Father , we do thank you, lord, for
this day.
Lord, we just thank you for allof the churches in our area,
lord.
We just ask you to take andjust bless each one of them,
lord.
Bless the Denison Foursquare,lord, because they are
affiliated with us, lord, and wejust thank you for that.
We thank you for that.
(44:38):
We thank you for each personthat's sitting at this table,
lord.
We just ask you to take and bewith them on their journey the
rest of this week, lord, andjust allow us to get back here,
and we will be hosting theLenten service next week, lord,
so we just ask a blessing bepoured upon each person that has
(44:58):
anything to do with it.
Lord, we just thank you forthat privilege and the
opportunity, lord, and we justthank you and praise you.
We give you all the glory.
We just ask this all in Jesus'most precious name, amen.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Amen.
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