From Flying Totes To The Ten Commandments

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We're good.
I didn't want it playing thewhole time we were talking.
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Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (00:55):
You know what this one is?

SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
Ten Commandments.
The only reason I know that.

SPEAKER_04 (00:59):
Do you know the Ten Commandments?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
Not all of them.
Have you seen the movie?
Which one?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
The Ten Commandments.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Well, there's two or three different ones.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
Oh, with uh Charlton Heston.
Uh yeah, a long time ago.
That's the one I watch.
And I like Charlton Heston,though.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
That's that's that's really probably the best one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
Yeah.
But that's not where we'retalking, we're not talking about
the movie.
Oh, we are talking about themovie.
We can.
We can.
But I don't watch it that much.
I don't I can't quote any linesor it's been a long time since I
saw it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35):
Yeah.
I mean like back in 08.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
1708.
No, it's not that old.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Well yeah, we uh thought, you know what, that
that's a uh topic of itself.
That's a yeah, really is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54):
Gosh, what was that three, four weeks ago that we
briefly brought it up?

SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Yep.
Well, we you know we got a lotof ideas.
It takes time to get to all ofthat.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02):
It does.
So we think that's what we'regonna do, then something happens
and we're and then I I startedwriting them down recently, so
because we would always say,well, that's a topic in itself,
and then we didn't we don'ttypically last episode.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
Beth got to tell her traffic story.
Now I'm gonna tell mine.
Traffic or tragic?
Traffic.
Well, it's tragic too.
Oh boy, okay.
Traffic tragic.
And at first I didn't want totalk about it.
This just happened yesterday,and at first I didn't want to
talk about it because I feelreally bad about it, feel stupid
about it.
But the more I talk to peopleabout it, the more I laugh about
it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:37):
So they're you weren't the one that hit someone
on Maple Avenue, were you?
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
That would not be my grandma hit laughing about the
car.

SPEAKER_04 (02:43):
Sorry, sorry, grandma, I told your your
secret.
She hit someone taking Noah toschool a few years back.

unknown (02:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:51):
In a car.

SPEAKER_04 (02:52):
Yeah, no, I'm I'm only laughing because the person
was okay, and you know, butyeah, I mean, it was right by
the Claymont laundromat, um,like that weird turn right
there.
And I will say it was someonewho had Down syndrome who wasn't
watching the road anyway, and itwas like 7 a.m.
and you know, it's hard to see,foggy, dark, yeah, all the
things.

SPEAKER_00 (03:12):
So yeah.
No, nothing like that.
But could have been.
Could have been.
Yeah.
So yesterday after work, I go upto Home Depot and I bought these
10 totes, these huge, like Ithink they're like 170 gallon
totes.
They made special for the bigChristmas and Halloween
decorations that they sell.
So all my boxes are getting old,so thought, you know, these are

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perfect.
So I went and bought 10.
Now, mind you, one of thesethings is like not quite a half
of this table, but like let'sjust say a quarter of it, maybe
a little over a quarter.
So these totes are huge.
Yeah.
Right?
So I bought 10 of them.
You didn't have them in the car,did you?
Huh?
You didn't have them in the car,did you?
No.
Well, no.

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So they bring them out andthey're all wrapped up nice
shrink-wrapped pallets, but Iwouldn't be able to get that all
in the back of the truck.
So I wanted to get it in oneload.
So I thought, no.
I'm gonna take five and fiveback to back, stack them inside
of each other.
And mind you, when you stackthese things inside of them, you
cannot pull them out withouthelp.

SPEAKER_04 (04:11):
Oh, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
They're so these things are huge and they're
heavy and they're hard to pullout.
I'm like, okay, five and five.
I'll then I'll put the lids ontop and then I'll strap it down.
And each and the lids, it's gotthese, it don't just have like
two clips like a normal tote.
It's got like two on each side.
So I thought, you know, they'rethey're in there tight, they're

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heavy, I'm gonna have a strap onit.
It'll be fine.
Yeah, it'll be good.
So I felt pretty confident whenI left Home Depot that they were
gonna stay in place.
Well, I get off the Faircrestexit going back South 77, and
it's not a mile, and all of asudden I look back and there's
it goes the straps go.

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Straps are loose, and there goall my lids.
So there's eight to ten lids,and like I said, these are huge
going into traffic.

SPEAKER_04 (05:04):
People are probably like, the sky is falling, the
sky is falling.

SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
Um, and crazy enough, like they skidd across
the highway, nobody was fromwhat I could see, nobody was
dodging nothing, but they werethey were running over them, of
course.
But the crazy thing is I losttwo of the totes.
And like I said, they're stackeddown inside of each other, and
they didn't fall over anything.

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And it was the back two thatwere up against the back of the
truck, so those totes had tocome straight up out of each
other and go out of the truck.
And I didn't even see the totescoming out, so I didn't even
know I lost two totes until Ifinally, and my wife's like, Why
didn't you pull over when thisfirst happened?
I'm like, I don't know.

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I panicked and I was looking forI thought I'd hit an exit, come
back through.
I just kept going.

SPEAKER_05 (05:53):
Like, I don't even know what to do.

SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
So I pull over and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god,
no.
You know, I'm having one ofthose moments.
And my first thought is Margie'sgonna kill me.
It was that was my firstthought.

SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
I mean, those probably a hefty chunk of
change, too, for those hundredbucks a piece.

SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Oh man.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
So uh I'm sitting along the side of the road, and
all of a sudden I'm looking andI'm like, there's two totes
missing.

unknown (06:23):
There's two totes.

SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
These things are huge, and I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
Didn't see it, didn't hear it, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
So I call her and I tell her what happened, and
she's like, Well, what do we do?
And I'm like, I don't know.
And she's like, Well, I'll callCharlie, my stepson, and he'll
come up and help you.
And you guys are gonna have togo up and down the highway and
try to find them.
Like, we gotta find them.
Like, this is X amount of money,you know.
She's getting pretty upset.
And I'm just like distraught.

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Like, I don't just don't knowhow this happened.
Why did this have to happen?
So Charlie gets there, we startgoing up the highway.
First time we didn't really seeanything, so we looped back
around.
Finally, we see most of the lidslaying around along the side of
the highway.
So there we are, South South 77,running across the highway,
dodging traffic, trying to getthese huge lids, run them back

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across the highway.
And then we did another pass,and then we we found one of the
totes.
We saw one of the toast justoutside Bolivar, sitting on the
side of the road.
So we go, so we get to so we getthat tote, we pick it up.
It only had a little hole in it.
I'm thinking, like, yeah, ifthis would have hit somebody's
vehicle, or and let's face it,like, if if it'd been a

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motorcycle or something, itcould have been bad news.
Yeah, yeah.
Very, very bad situation.
Um so we pick that tote up, wewe get it in the truck, and long
story short, we we still haven'tfound the other tote.
So God only knows what happenedto it.
I almost think maybe a homelessperson got it.
Because it would be a great,nice little spot for a homeless

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person.
And I'm hoping maybe that's whathappened.
Like there's some blessing inthis that somebody got to have.

SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Are your lids crushed?

SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah.
They're most of them are allbroken up.
So I'm like, okay, now what I'mgonna do.
And she's like, Wow, you justwant to tell them that they were
damaged, you know, we're youknow, I'm like, no, we can't do
that.
I'm like, I'm just gonna tellthem the truth.
I'm just gonna tell them howstupid I am.
But I thought, you know, thatyou know, I thought it was good

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to go.
And and I told myself I shouldprobably go back into Home Depot
and buy a couple more strapsjust to be safe.

SPEAKER_04 (08:29):
I thought, no, that's I've got this strapped in
pretty good, I'm good.
And I did.

SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
I was like, that's gonna be more money out the
door.
This strap is really tight, it'snot going anywhere.
These things are heavy.
Yeah, it's good.
Totally underestimated thesituation.
And this is what I do for aliving, by the way, is shipping
receiving.

SPEAKER_04 (08:45):
So it makes me more embarrassed.
Supervisor.

SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
I mean, this stuff doesn't happen at work.
So it just the whole thing isjust upsetting.
So I I called him this morningand I was like, look, I'm just
gonna level with you.
I picked this order upyesterday, I got down the
highway, my straps gave way, Ilost eight lids.
So now I got these huge eighttotes with no lids.
You know, what can you do tohelp me?

(09:10):
And I will tell you, and I hadan experience last year with
Home Depot because I hadsomething wrong with one of my
uh Christmas decorations that Ibought.
Their customer service is barnone, the best people I've ever
talked to.
They're they're they they'rewilling to help, they want to
help right away.
And luck would have it, she'slike, Well, because they're a

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new item and because we juststarted shipping those out, you
know, we don't have more in thestore, so I can't just give them
to you.
She's like, if I had eight lids,I'd just give them to you.
She says, But the only answer tothe situation is you're gonna
have to just bring back eighttotes, we'll return them as we
normally would.
We'll give you credit for those,and then you can order eight

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more.
And I'm like, Really?
And they're like, Yeah, it's noproblem.
And I'm thinking like a lot ofpeople would be like, hey, too
bad.
Like you left.
Right.
You signed off on them, youleft, you know, it's your
problem now.

SPEAKER_03 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
But they were fantastic about helping me out.
So I um so Saturday, I thinkwe'll be able to just return the
eight.
Hopefully, we'll get them thereall in one piece.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:15):
We Jarvey has tons of straps, so if you need more
straps, just let us know.

SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
Oh, I'm gonna wrap them a shrinker.

SPEAKER_04 (10:22):
You're probably gonna stop looking at the side.
Yeah, the things I'm thinkingnow.

SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
I'm like, you dummy, you do this for a living.
You could have brought shrinkwrap with you, you could have
and I just thought it'll begood, you know.
Um, so yeah, it looks like I'mgonna be able to return eight.
That's nice, order it, you know,get the credit for them, and
then just order eight more, andI should be okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:40):
That's good.

SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
So God is good, but yesterday I will be honest.
After yesterday, I thought Ihave had no spiritual growth
whatsoever.
Because I was cussing, I wasjust, I was completely out of
control of myself.

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Because at one point my wifecalls me, and then I forgot that
I had gone to the back and laidmy phone, and I don't even think
I told her this yet.
I laid my phone on the backseat.
So I go around to the front seatand I'm talking to her through
the Bluetooth.
So all of a sudden she's like,Okay, you're gonna have to call
Charlie.
So I'm like, okay.
So then I go to call Charlie andI'm like, I don't have my phone.

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I'm like, where is my phone?
And I'm like digging through thefront seat, looking underneath
the front seat.
And now I'm thinking, I justlost my phone, and I don't even
know how I did it.
And I'm just like beside myself.
Like I'm just like cussingmyself, just I have lost it at
that point.
Yeah.
And yeah, and so, you know, andat some point, Margie's like, Do
you just want me to drive home?

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Because it was one of thosesituations where I was like, I
don't even want to hear aboutit.
Don't say anything about it.
Yeah.
And she's like, it's okay, youknow, and she was a little
heated about it first, but thenshe's like, It's okay, you know,
it's okay.
If I said anything, I didn'tmean to say it, you know.
And I'm like, I don't want tohear it.
And I'm driving, and I hadn'teaten since lunch, and it's
almost like 8 30, 9 o'clock.

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So so yeah.
And finally she's like, justpull over, I'll drive.
And she drove home and shestopped and got me something to
eat on the way.
But I'm just sitting there like,I thought I I thought I'd grown.
And apparently I haven't becauseI lost all faculty whatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 (12:26):
Which is it just takes this.

SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
I was like, oh my, it was just terrible.
Yeah, terrible.

SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
It happens.

SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
It happens.

SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Margie gives Dave Ramsey a whole new line on
budgeting money.
I know how she is with thebiggest thing.

SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
Yeah, that was my first thought is she is going to
kill me.

SPEAKER_01 (12:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
What am I gonna not that I just lost them, not that
anybody might be hurt backthere, but then she is gonna
kill me.
I just spilled a thousanddollars out onto the road.
And I was just like, oh my, youknow, just and yeah, I I just
like it, just like I said, I waslike, I just felt like, you
know, I got I got work to do.
I thought I was I thought I wasgood in some of these areas.

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I'm like, nah, I just shatteredevery you know all of your own
expectations, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:12):
I don't know if it's like and I don't believe in the
whole, oh, is it a full moon ora new moon thing?
But there are some certain timeswhere like yesterday might have
just been that type of a day.

SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
I don't know, because I think what I didn't
account for was that wind.

SPEAKER_04 (13:27):
Yes.
When you were talking about it,I was like, that was the really
windy day.

SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
And I think somehow that wind got up underneath.
It probably did and just threwthem straps, threw them straps
right off.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (13:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
I was like, because that's because I'm still
thinking, like, that's not evenpossible.
Like for these two toast to comestraight up out.
I could see if they fell overand then but they had to come
straight up.
I'm like, how far did they likego up before they came down?
And because I didn't even seethem.
That's the crazy thing.
I didn't see them tumble out ofthe truck.
I just saw lid.
So I'm thinking at what pointdid these things just come

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straight up?
So Margie was with you?
Well, no, I went by myself, andof course that's what she said.
She goes, I knew I should havegone with you.
This wouldn't have happened ifI'd have gone with you.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, justreally giving it.
And then the kids started givingit to me.
Charlie was good about it, buteverybody else started giving it
to me, and I was like, I've hadit.
I don't want to hear any more.
Like, yep, you guys are justperfect.

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You know, this would neverhappen to you guys.
So yeah, I was just gettingattacked on all fronts, and I
was like, I just had it.
I was just like, just lost it.
So but I think all's gonna bewell.
God is good no matter thesituations.

SPEAKER_02 (14:44):
So you only you only you only messed up eight of
them?
You have two good ones?

SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
Yeah.
Because I had well, I had two inthe back seat, Roger.
That's how that works.
My wife's like, you could havelaid the seat down and put all
ten of them lids back.
I was like, I know all thethings I could have done after.
Sulha, coulda, woulda.
Yeah, trust me.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (15:04):
But well, at least you're gonna still end up with
ten.

unknown (15:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Well, I think I'm gonna end up, honestly, I think
I'm gonna end up with ninebecause there's one tote not
accounted for.
So unless we find it along thehighway by this weekend, I just
whatever.
So it at best we'll have nineout of the ten.
So at best, it'll be a hundreddollar loss.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:26):
Which, hey, if that's what if Joe Schmoe on
Fulton Road has it, like usingit as a hut.
Are you just gonna let it be?

SPEAKER_00 (15:33):
Yeah, I'll be like, that would make me actually
happy.
Yeah, like, okay, there's somegood that came out of this.
Somebody got a house out of thething, you know.
But yeah, I just and I can'timagine driving behind me and
all of a sudden all these lidscoming at you and totes.
I'm like, oh my god, this couldhave been bad.

SPEAKER_04 (15:50):
I wasn't sure if you're bad.
I wasn't sure if you're tryingto if there would be a reference
with the Ten Commandments.

SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Well, I broke probably quite a few.
You know.
Like I I broke all but one.
Do not murder.
I was uh where is it?
Where is it where is it?
You should not you shall notmisuse the name of the Lord your
God.
Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (16:16):
How'd that work out for you?

SPEAKER_00 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
So not very well.

SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
No, no, no, no.
So, yeah.
So I was exhausted by the end ofthe day.
I've been exhausted todaybecause I only got like five
hours sleep, because obviouslyit was like you can't just go
home and go to bed aftersomething like that.
You lay there and think aboutit.

SPEAKER_04 (16:34):
Contemplate life.

SPEAKER_00 (16:35):
You're just beating yourself up like you're totally-
I'm like, I'm a total I waslike, I'm a totally worthless
person.

SPEAKER_04 (16:39):
Like I shouldn't be on the surface because you have
to meet Chase's brother Jetbecause when you were like, Oh,
you guys are just perfect, andthen when you just did, oh yeah,
I'm just totally worthless.
I'm like, wow, this is jet.
Yeah, this is jet to it.

SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
Yeah, they just kept giving it to me and making
little smart remarks, and I wasjust like, okay, you know.
Nobody say anymore.
It's just yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (17:00):
To be fair, I think a lot of men are like that.
Like they just get more.

SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
We got it, yeah, or we think we got it.

SPEAKER_04 (17:06):
Or even like once people start like snickering
about it, then like they justget even more mad, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah.
It doesn't make it funnier.
You know, it's just like I'lllaugh later, but not now.

SPEAKER_04 (17:16):
And it's like I'll laugh in a year from now about.

SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
You guys make me you know, like I'm this complete,
you know, idiot.
No, how could you let thishappen?
Could you let this happen?
And even Maggie today was justlike, that's all on you, how
bud?
How could you let that happen?
Like, you know, I don't feelsorry for it because you know my

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dad would have, you know, if Iever need something, I'm just
gonna call my dad.
I'm not gonna call you.
She was really giving it to me,like, gee, man.
And I was like, okay, well,something bad is gonna happen to
you someday.
And you know, better think abouthow you treat people when
something bad happens.
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (17:56):
Like, what if your dog what if he wouldn't answer?
I'm not saying like he wouldn't,like I you know, I don't know,
you know, but I'm like, what ifhe would be doing something?
What if he's at work with noservice?
And your next call wouldprobably be me, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Again, it's just like I'm the idiot, and
everybody else just, you know,would have this never would have
happened to anybody else.
That was the moral of the story.
Like, you know, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:22):
It'll be something to look back and laugh on.
Oh, I'm already laughing.

SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Like I see Charlie now running across the highway
dumping traffic, and it'shilarious.
And the wind's blowing andthey're blowing, but you know,
it's just like what it's like amovie, like you know, like you
see in the movies like this issomething Clark Griswold would
have done.
You know, now I'm out here onthis highway.

SPEAKER_04 (18:45):
Well, my kayak has a hole in it because of because of
something similar to that.

SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
And you don't realize how fast traffic goes
until you were standing by theside of the city.
That's true.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:58):
No, I've seen my dad like put three kayaks in his
truck.
I was using his truck.
I'm like, oh, okay, we'll putthe three kayaks just how he
always does.
And I mean, he would show me ifthey're in this certain way, you
won't need to strap them becausethey're like, one will go this
way, one will go this way.
And sure enough, one just goesflying, like right by the Y
tavern.

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And and that I had a friend withme, and she's running across
trying to get it, like, wait,wait, wait, there's someone
coming.
And back.
I'm like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, it was dangerous.
I mean, that car, I mean, like Isaid, you don't seven you don't
realize how fast 70 mile an houris to take your stuff.
Pushes you back when a that semiflies by.

SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
That's uh Jarvey used to do bridge work and they
would do a lot of it at night.
And he said you just don'trealize, and you before you take
a step out because you wanna youlook at what you just you know
welded or whatever he was doingwith them, and he y he said
you've got to be really carefulbecause you just don't think
about it.

SPEAKER_05 (20:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:03):
Yep.
So yeah, that's my trafficstory.
So your tragic traffic storytraffic story.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
Yes, I could have been a whole lot worse than it
is.

SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
Seriously.

SPEAKER_04 (20:20):
So yeah.
Yeah.
Could have had a ton of carsinvolved.

SPEAKER_00 (20:24):
You know, but it's always those things like, okay,
Lord, I know you like protectedme in that moment.
Why didn't you why couldn't wejust back up to Home Depot?
Why couldn't you name me dosomething different?

SPEAKER_04 (20:34):
So I maybe you guys needed that funny story in your
life.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Something to look back on andtalk about.

SPEAKER_00 (20:42):
Well, you know, and oftentimes you think, okay,
sometimes when something badhappens to you, it gives
somebody the opportunity to dosomething good.
Which, as I said, there's peopleat Home Depot were just amazing.
Like how will because a lot oftimes when you call people, it's
just Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry about your luck.
Sorry about your luck, you can'tget anywhere.
They want to keep passing youfrom you know, department to

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department.

SPEAKER_03 (21:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:04):
Most of the time it's a dead end, but they was
just like jumped right on it.
They got right back to me,called me back, and said, Nope,
we can't do this, but here'swhat we can do.
You know, it wasn't like toobad, you're just gonna have to
buy more.
Um Yeah, they were just like,Yeah, we'll we'll take care of
it, we'll take care of you.
Like, well, that's so it givessometimes tragedy uh gives gives

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people opportunity to show theirbest.
So it's one good thing thatcomes out of it.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
Well, how do we want to take this topic?
Um just about the TenCommandments in general, or I
know when we brought it upinitially, it was kind of you
know, people um Well, I think weneed to just have a quick
discussion about why why thishappens in the first place.

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Yeah.
Like what what leads, you know?

SPEAKER_04 (21:55):
People to point out.

SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
What leads Moses to make or well, you know, having a
one-to-one with God and comingdown with the tablets and having
these specific commandments.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
Um take it away.

SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Oh me?
History buff, right?
I was hoping like maybe Rogercould do that part of it, but
I'm can you do that part of it?
I could I can kind of do thatpart of it.
I got to, I got to between thetwo of you, maybe I'll start at
you enlighten me.
So um obviously, you know theIsraelites, all all all of the
uh I guess here's how it is.

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They're worshiping more than oneGod because they feel the more
gods you worship, the moreblessings you're gonna get.
But of course, in worshiping outall these other gods, you know,
he's a jealous God, which he'llsay in the Ten Commandments.
Um it's by worshiping all theseother gods, it's it's leading
the Israelites to do all ofthese things that they shouldn't

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be doing.
You know, like Moses comes backand he expects them to be
God-fearing people and they'rejust doing every act of wrong
that they wrong that they cancome up with possibly can come
on foot.
And you know, Moses just besidehimself, and um, so he has to go
to God, and it's at that pointthat it has to be understood

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that okay, there's no moreworshiping all these other gods.
There's only one God, there'sonly me.
And if we're gonna do stuffright, you know, if you people
are gonna do right, you you youhave to follow me and me only.
There you we can't have this,you know, you can't just go
worship anything you want to.
It's just total chaos.
Yeah.
Um, as you know, as theIsraelites are are showing with

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the way they're living theirlives.
It's yeah, they're living intotal chaos and darkness and uh
performing every act of sin youcan imagine, and um God's had
enough.
Um I I think I think people'sperception of the Ten
Commandments, and there might besome truth to this, that it

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these Ten Commandments come outof anger and they come out of
wanting to God to God wants toput his foot down on his people
and limit what they're uhallowed to do.
So it's almost like the Ten theTen Commandments, it's almost

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feels like it comes down as apunishment for the way they're
living their lives.
Um I view I view it completelydifferently.
I I think the Ten Commandmentsare coming out of love.
But like any good parent, yougotta set some rules.
You can't just let your childrenrun the household.
Yeah.
Uh it'd be total disaster.

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I don't care how much you loveyour children, you can't just
let them do whatever they wantto do.
Yeah.
Um just it doesn't work.
No.
So, you know, God, through loveand understanding that, you
know, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonnahave to rein my people in here.
We're gonna have to have to setsome rules about how we should
live our lives on a daily basis.

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Because God understands nobodyunderstands sin better than the
Lord.
And what we you know, we'vetalked about this kind of when
we did the Ripple of Sinepisode.
We've we we've talked about thefact that when when we sin, uh I

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I believe that God is alwaysgiving you plenty of opportunity
not to do it.
He's always speaking to you,He's always telling you I I I I
can be honest, I I've heard thevoice of God before telling me
not to do things.
And plenty of times in my life Iwould, you know, yeah, but let

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me do it my way.
Because this is what I feel Ineed to do.
This is what I feel is right formy life, this is what I feel is
time to do.
Yeah.
Let me, let me, let me do it myway.
And maybe you don't actually saythat, but that's that shows in
your actions.

SPEAKER_06 (26:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:11):
You're like, I hear you, Lord, but I I want to do it
my way.
Because it I think it'll befaster.
I think it'll get to me to whereI'm supposed to be.
Um this is what's truly gonnamake me happy.
Um but oftentimes that's thethoughts that lead us into sin.
And when it comes to sin, God, Iyou know, God can like talk to

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you and tell you exactly what'sgonna happen if you do, you
know, X, Y, and Z.
And you have every opportunityto avoid that sin.
And and God can wipe that away,He can help you with that, He
can help you to avoid doingthose things.
But you're gonna reach a pointthat once you commit the sin,

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then you can't now it's not thateasy.
You can't just wipe it away.
I mean, Jesus Christ can, he canforgive you for that.
But in the real world, in theworld that we have to live in,
once you commit that sin,there's consequences to it.
And you have to answer for themin this world.
And there's nothing you can doabout that.

SPEAKER_06 (27:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
And so once once you hear the voice of the Lord
telling you not to do something,and you go ahead and do it, then
you realize that the sin you'recommitting, you can't just take
it away because now you've hurtpeople.

SPEAKER_03 (27:37):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Now you've affected other people's lives.
You you you've done it always,it always has a negative effect
on the outcome of your life, onthe outcome of the people in
your life.
And then you gotta do a lot ofwork that you wouldn't have had
to do if you just done what theLord told you to do.
So it's not that it can't beforgiven, it's not that

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relationships can't be repaired,all of those things.
But guess what?
That takes a lot of work, andsome things in this world with
certain people can't berepaired.
There's some people that justcan't forgive something.

SPEAKER_03 (28:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
There's just some things you can't overcome in the
flesh in this world.
I mean, Jesus can.
Right.
But you know, we have to takeresponsibility for that sin once
we commit it.
Because now God can no longerjust say, Hey, you know, we
don't have to do this.
Yeah, I can lead you in theright direction to get you to do
the right thing.

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But once you once you've doneit's past that point and done
it, then the Lord can't workwith you that way.
Now we got to do it a differentway.
Yeah.
Now we're gonna have to, nowyou're gonna have to work this
out with the the people that youlove, the people in your life,
the people that what you theconsequences of that.
And so when you're talking aboutthe Ten Commandments, it it's

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just a list of things that'sjust gonna help us try to avoid
if we do all of these things,then you can avoid those sins
that are without a doubt, for nomatter who you are, it's going
to cause you problems in thisworld.
And that's all the Lord's tryingto do is to get to get us to

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live his way.
Because he wants because heloves us and he wants to protect
us.
Yeah, he doesn't want us tocommit those sins, he doesn't
want us to have to uh to pay theprice in this world for the
things that we do.
He doesn't want to see thathappen, so that's why he writes
these things.
Um He knows, he knows what sin'sgonna do every time we commit

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it, whether it's the smallestone or the biggest ones.
And so some of the TenCommandments, we look at them
and I think we almost feel likethey're out of date.
You know, like, oh, honor thyfather and thy mother.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, that's just it soundsoutdated, doesn't it?
Like, I mean, most people arelike, well, what does that mean?
It just sounds like somethingsomebody knitted and framed and
hung on the wall, like yourgrandma.

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Yeah, you know, and there's likeit just sounds out of date, but
there's a lot of truth to it.
Um and then that in therein liesa lot of the problem.
It's like when you look at theTen Commandments, um, some of it
seems out of date.
Um, some people can use them asweapons actually to hurt other
people.

SPEAKER_04 (30:16):
Um, there's a lot of different things that does
someone have them like pulled upoffhand?

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
Can we go through them all?
I got them in my study Biblehere.

SPEAKER_04 (30:28):
So just in case no one knows about them.

SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
So, you know, and the first one, of course, is you
shall have no other gods thanme.
So it And that was a directresult of what the Israelites
were doing as they were tryingto worship these other gods
because they thought, yeah,we'll get more blessings.
We can do whatever we want todo, because we, you know, and uh
God had to set them straight.
Like, I am the only God.
Yeah.
You know, all these other godsare false gods.

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You know, I am the only one youshould come to.

SPEAKER_04 (30:57):
No one, no one but me.

SPEAKER_00 (31:00):
Yep.
So, you know, my Bible says, youknow, um, you shall not make for
yourself an idol in the form ofanything in heaven to worship
them.
And, you know, we were talkingabout this last episode with
Halloween and a lot of things wewere talking about.
Yeah, we we have taken a lot ofthings in our lives, and it may
not seem to us that we'reworshiping them, but we are,

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because we we take, as we weretalking about football, we all
take that every Sunday.
You know, we can put on ourfavorite player's jersey, and
our whole day hangs on whetherthat player does well,
especially with fantasy footballnow.
A lot of a lot of young men,like they're so deep into that,
like they're pulling money outof their paycheck to play

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fantasy football and to followthese players.
And uh their whole beingfinancially committed.
Yeah, their whole happiness andlives on that day depend on how
well those players do.
Or just if your team wins orloses, you know, it could ruin
your whole day if your teamdoesn't win.
Um and that's just one exampleof you know, we worship idols.

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Yes, we do worship we it's onthat level.
You know, if we don't thinkabout it that way, it's on that
level of oh, we spend more timethinking about uh Patrick Pat
Mahomes than we do about Jesus.
It's so important if Pat Mahomesdoes well today.
But what's Jesus doing today?
Well, nobody cares as long asPat Mahomes wins.

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And that's that's a reality.

SPEAKER_04 (32:33):
Yep.
It's the truth.

SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
So is there any more backstory to the Ten
Commandments, Roger, that you'dlike to share or can add to
that?

SPEAKER_02 (32:44):
I'm looking here.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's read two.
See, thou shalt not not take thename of man oh well he's already
uh addressed this one.
Well that's stuff, but let'stalk about that a little bit
because some people shall nottake the name of the Lord, Lord

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thy God in vain.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
But what does that now?
Because some most people willsay that means if you cuss you
shouldn't say the Lord's name invain.
Is that all that it means?
Or what is it really talkingabout when we should not take
the Lord's name in vain?

SPEAKER_04 (33:28):
What how how have you taken it, Roger, in the
past?

SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
I mean, do you take it just as well as it is a cuss
word, or is there more to itthan that?

SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
It depends well, I mean it doesn't depend on how
you say it.
You can say my God, my God andthat's not taking the Lord's
name in vain.

SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
When you're doing it in prayer, doing it in prayer.

SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
But when you're doing it as a when you're
misusing it.
Or yeah, when you're misusing itin in in your in your in your
talk.

SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
Yeah.
Like if you're saying, Oh myGod, about something that just
happened.

SPEAKER_02 (34:14):
Yes, that's that that and a lot of times, you
know a lot of times you're notsaying it in that tone of voice.
It's always right on elevated uhtone of voice.

SPEAKER_04 (34:25):
And if if it is your God, then why are you misusing
his name, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
Is it could it also potentially mean that you should
never say anything is of Godthat isn't?
Like you're you're using You'resaying like, well, God wouldn't
want me to wouldn't want you todo this, or it's basically if

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you're misquoting God, if you ifyou're if you're saying anything
as if it were scriptural Well,God wouldn't want you to
celebrate Halloween.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Or just like all of a suddenyou're coming up with your own
scriptures of how you see life,and you think God God says you
shouldn't and it's like it's nota commandment, but you've made
up number eleven.
Is that uh that's just anexample.

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Like you're taking the Lord'sname because you're putting
words in God's mouth that aren'tthere.

SPEAKER_02 (35:20):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:21):
Yeah.
I think is that yeah.
Yeah, it'd be so I've neverlooked at it that way, but yeah,
I think that's just the same.

SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
You know, you're you're or you're telling people
God's doing this or God's doingthat, and really you don't have
there's no like again, like ifsomebody's like you have no
relationship.
If somebody speaks in tonguesand somebody gives the
interpretation and it's nottrue, like you're just yeah you
want to be heard that day, soyou do whatever you wanted to
say, and it's not the truth, sois that that's taking the Lord's
name in vain.

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Like you're taking his word andhis name and not telling the
truth.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
That's just that's just another thought I had about
it.

SPEAKER_04 (35:57):
I don't know if that's accurate or yeah, because
the word was God, you know.
The word is God.
And the word is God.

SPEAKER_00 (36:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
Yeah.
And then we kind of talked aboutthe Sabbath.

SPEAKER_00 (36:09):
Beth's thinking over there.
Yeah, I really am.

SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
What are you thinking about?
I just when my when the oldergrandchildren were growing up,
Abby, she was little, and shegot on that oh my god thing.
It just drove me nuts.
And I finally said, you knowwhat, Abby?
I said, every time that youknow, God might be walking

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through his house and stubbinghis toe, because she's about six
or seven.
I said, He doesn't yell, oh myAbby.
Right, right.
I said, so why do you say that?
Mm-hmm.
And so as we I said this to herover and over, she was cute, and
she'd go to say it, and she'slike, I know, grandma.
Oh my Abby.
Oh my Abby.
Oh my Abby.

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Oh my Abby.
But it it bothers me.
Even to see it in writing, theOMG.
That bids me.
Especially like the allcapitalized.

SPEAKER_04 (37:06):
Yeah.
And I don't know.
Like my grandma, like when I wasgrowing up, she worked for
consumer support services, whichis like, you know, MRDD, and
like if you know, wheneveryou're a teenager for whatever
reason, the R word is verypopular.
And it's like that was one wordwe could not say, and we could

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not say, Oh my god, you know, ohmy god, in vain.
And it was like if we did, weknew what our explanation as to
why we shouldn't be saying itwould be, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
And so I think when you are saying when you're
praying or talking to God andyou're you're, you know, oh my
god, oh my god, how I love you,or whatever.
That's right, you know, you'regiving him the reverence and
respect and that he deserves.
And then you're just taking thatall away when you're using it
the other way.

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Because you're not giving himany credit at all.
You're using it almost as slang.

SPEAKER_00 (38:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:02):
Yeah.
Okay.
You know, we discussed that.
Uh you know, I mean and I meanit's hard, you know.
Especially this this day andage.
This is back when, you know, wedidn't have grocery stores and

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gas stations, you know.
And when I was growing up well,until I was uh maybe in high
school.
Well, not maybe sixth or seventhgrade.
Uh if you didn't have gas on onSaturdays, Saturday night at ten
o'clock, you didn't get gasuntil Monday morning.

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If you didn't have a loaf ofbread, you didn't get it until
Monday morning.

SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
Yeah, and people just think that's impossible
now, but it really isn't.

SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
No.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (38:51):
Like if you if that's the way things were,
everybody would follow suit.

SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
It was that's not impossible.
You know, and and you know, uhbasically the only people that
really had really worked on onuh on the Sabbath were those
that are in in healthcare.
You know uh there wasn't thatmany hotels, motels around.
Uh you know, there weren't youdidn't you didn't have to, you

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know, there wasn't a lot ofpeople traveling.

SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:20):
You know.
I mean the the travel monthswere in the summer months.
That's when everybody got theirvacation, and that's when you
that's when you did yourtraveling.
In wintertime you stayed home.
You know, and it just it was itwas easier to keep the Sabbath.
Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (39:38):
I'm sure after the major interstates were
introduced, things got reallywell yeah.
That really changed things, I'msure.

SPEAKER_02 (39:44):
Yeah, because it travel was so easy.
Yeah.
I mean, like I can remember uhmy grandfather picked me up and
we went we were going toBeckley, West Virginia.
Okay.
That's really not that far now.
But when we went, we had to getdown Old Twenty-one.
And I'll never I mean, like, ittook us forever to get there.

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Because if you ever been downOld Twenty-one, it's twisty and
turny and up and down and twistyand turny and up and down.
And you know, it just it's notit's not like it is now.
You know, we're you know you cango from here to Ocean City,
North Carolina in eight hours.

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You know, back then it took twoor three days.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
You know, at least at least two days.
Yep.
So they start having all themtravel plazas, you know, popping
up.

SPEAKER_02 (40:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
And then all night.

SPEAKER_02 (40:39):
You know, and then and then those people were
they're starting, they're havingto work on on the weekends, you
know, because you know, okay, wegot travelers.
We got we've got you know, theythey're gonna want they're gonna
want gas, they're gonna wantsomething to eat, they're gonna
have an expel.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:55):
So it's I think it also says, it says, um the
Sabbath was made for man, notman for the Sabbath.
Yes.
So it's like we we've almost gotthat confused now.

SPEAKER_02 (41:10):
Yeah, we have now it's now we make it for us.
Yeah.
Because it's a it's a day we cango to church and then we can
take off and we can go toColumbus.

SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
You know, I mean to go to Columbus.

SPEAKER_00 (41:25):
Well, some people are like, well, that's how I
rest.
I kick back, I watch footballall day.
That's how I get that's how Irest.
Okay, it's not about rest.
I just you know, it's it'ssupposed to be holy.
Yeah.
You know, you're supposed tokeep it holy.
Um but yeah, people are like,yeah, it is a Sabbath, I'm
resting.
You know, I'm gonna be able todo that.

SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
And some of the words that's coming out of their
mouths as they're watching it.
It's not holy.

SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
Yeah.
But again, we're all guilty ofit and one or another.
You know, we you know most of usafter church were thinking, oh,
we're going to Subway, we'regoing to Jerry's, we're going,
you know, everybody's doingsomething on a Sunday.
Um and again, it's hard becausea lot of times Sunday is the
only day people have together.

SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
Yeah.
Well, that's that's that's likewhen when I was when I was
growing up, you know, Sunday wasthe was your visiting day.
You went to to fellowship withyour relatives.
You know.
Uh we used to go to my uncle'sall the time out at the farm.
And uh you know, we should whenI was a kid, we used to have

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some good times, you know.
We could we get down to PastorField and the Crick and build a
dam and we had our own swimminghole, you know.
Uh we'd take go-kart down downthe road with the BB gun, we'd
shoot cows along the road, youknow, watch them run.

(42:53):
Uh, you know, I mean it just butbut then you know you're you
also spent time with yourfamily.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
You know, we would go to grandma's after church
after church.
We wouldn't even do that.
And I don't know how, but shewould have put on a spread like
and she'd been to church thatmorning and been to Sunday
school, and you come home andshe was probably up at three in
the morning.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
This you know wonderful spread that she's
something I never really got toexperience.
As you know, the grandma SundayI did dinner, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (43:25):
Yeah, I it it wasn't ever like brunch or lunch, it
was more dinner.
But it was and I think it wasmore or less because she never
knew what time people would bethere.
People were coming and going,you know, so it was like it was
almost always ready by one ortwo, and then people could just
graze on it, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 (43:43):
But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:48):
So the next one, honor your father and your
mother.
Um but of course he says, hesaid, honor your father and your
mother.
Anyone who loves his father andmother more than me is not
worthy of me.
They're like, okay.
So what does honor your fatherand your mother mean?

(44:08):
I'll be honest, I can't explainthis one.

SPEAKER_04 (44:11):
I can't either.

SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
Well, you mean I get it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
That's what I mean.
That's what comes to my mind.

SPEAKER_02 (44:18):
Yeah, that's that's what I think, you know, is just
be you know, uh respecting theiryou know, what what they've tell
told you, what they're tellingyou.
Uh you're not you're you'rehonoring them by doing what they
tell you to do.
As long as it's within the word.

SPEAKER_04 (44:35):
I guess I've always gotten confused as to why that
doesn't just say respect yourelders, then.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (44:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:42):
Because that's another big, you know, it's not
in here as that, you know, butit's it's basically the same
thing.

SPEAKER_02 (44:48):
It's basic knowledge.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's basically the samething.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess you could youcould read into it, you know,
however, whatever, whatever youwanted to read into it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
Yeah.
But I think once when you teachyour children as they learn to
respect, you know, their motherand father, they also learn to
respect others.
Records.
Yeah, that's true.

unknown (45:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
See, my study Bible says this is the first
commandment with a promiseattached.
To live in peace for generationsin the promised land, the
Israelites would need to respectauthority and build strong
families.
But what does it mean to honorparents?
Partly it means speaking well ofthem and politely.
It also means acting in a waythat shows them courtesy and

(45:29):
respect, but not to obey them ifthis means disobedience to God.
Right.
It means following theirteaching and example, putting
God first.
Parents have a special place inGod's sight.
Even those who find it difficultto get along with their parents
are still commanded to honorthem.

SPEAKER_04 (45:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:47):
That part where it said the building families part.

SPEAKER_04 (45:50):
Yeah, and the part where it said, you know, if your
famil if your parents are notaligned with me, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (45:59):
If you're going back to uh the situation with
Israelites, you know, when youdon't have strong families,
that's when you do have a lot oflawlessness.

SPEAKER_04 (46:08):
For sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
And I think that was one thing, you know, like if
you've got all these peoplesleeping with each other and and
and and doing all these otheracts of sin, all these uh forms
of disobedience, then nobody'sbuilding families with that.
Right, right.
And so without that strongfamily unit, God's word doesn't
it's it's whole hard to hold onto his word when you don't have

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that family structure.

SPEAKER_03 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:31):
Which definitely I think kind of what we're seeing
in our world today is this wegot generations of people that
are really don't believe in thefamily unit.
You know, they're not focused onbuilding strong families.
In fact, people seem to thinkthat, you know, more people now
are more comfortable being alonethan they ever have been because
of social media.

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Like you don't need you don'tneed to have actual friends and
family because you can justspend all your time on social
media.
So you you don't have this umdesire to go out and form
relationships, strong bonds withactual people.
Yeah.
And when you don't do that, thenI think you know it's it's hard
to hold on to God's word.
It's hard to have any structurein society because everybody's

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just again doing what theIsraelites are doing, doing
whatever you want to do and nothaving any focus on what it
means to be a family unit, to dothings together, to honor God
together.

SPEAKER_02 (47:29):
Okay, well, you what what do you think about the thou
shalt not kill?
Yeah, that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
That is.
I think it goes back to justwhen you're in anger and you're
saying nasty negative things,you've almost like you've killed
that person too.

SPEAKER_00 (47:49):
Yeah, it may not even actually mean physical
death.
Yeah.
Yeah, as in the form of thephone.

SPEAKER_01 (47:54):
It could be your phone, it could be your not
necessarily your physical death,but it could be your spiritual
death.

SPEAKER_00 (47:58):
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:59):
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (48:00):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, in some ways it'slike, you know, Cain kills Abel
even before he strikes the blow.

SPEAKER_04 (48:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:06):
Like he's already had it in his mind that's that
that's not his brother anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (48:11):
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:11):
You know, that it's that's he's not worthy of being
my brother.
He's not, I'm not even takingthat into consideration.
Um, you know, he might as wellbe a stranger.

SPEAKER_03 (48:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:21):
You know.
Um, so yeah, I I think uh, youknow, th that's always the big
controversy is you know, thosethat do commit murder, can they
ever be forgiven in the eyes ofthe Lord?
Yeah.
That's you know that's a verycommon question.
Um I always like to believe thatthat's possible for people, that
they can, even after somethinglike that, they can truly find

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the Lord and the Lord willforgive them.
Um a lot of people have a toughtime with that one.

SPEAKER_06 (48:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:47):
Um, for many different reasons, many valid
reasons.
But I think a lot of thosethings come out of pain and
unforgiveness and uh just again,the society that we've that
we've created.
Um, you know, there's I mean,there's plenty of people who
kill people in self-defense.
Right.
That happens every day.

SPEAKER_03 (49:07):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 (49:08):
Um it's it's still a sin to do that, even though they
had to do what they had to do toprotect themselves.
Do you you still committed thatsin?

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
So Do you think do you think those those people if
they if they ask for free askfor forgiveness, they received
it?
I think so.
I mean, if that's truly what'sin their heart, if they're truly
willing to support it wasn'tpremeditated or it wasn't it
wasn't planned, they didn't theydidn't want to do it, but it was
a n s necessary act.

SPEAKER_01 (49:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
And they and you ask for ask for forgiveness, then
you received it.

SPEAKER_03 (49:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
But you know, we won't be I even believe though
that if there was premeditatedand you had all intentions of
being through and killing thatperson, then when you if if you
move on in life and you you youget to know the Lord and you
surrender it all to him, yeah,that you can be forgiven.

SPEAKER_03 (49:55):
Yeah, I do too.

SPEAKER_00 (49:56):
Well, and as we we said in the last episode, you
know, we all believe that evilcan get into people.
Yeah.
And so for whatever reason, youknow, that evil could have crept
into that person and caused themto commit these acts, that
doesn't mean that the Lord stillcan't come into their life and
wipe that away and you know, andtake that evil spirit away and

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give that person a cleansing andgive them that forgiveness.
Now, yeah, Lord Jesus Christmight be the only person that's
going to forgive them in theend, but that's the only one
that matters.
Exactly.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (50:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
It really is.
It's the only one that matters.
Um, well, you know, people sayevery day, like, you know, uh,
you know, if you harm a child,yep, we should just kill that
person.
It's very easy to say that.
It's like it kind of it's likeit makes sense.
Like, how could somebody be soterrible to harm a child and the
only answer is, you know, to tokill that person?
And it's like, well, that'sstill wrong.

(50:51):
Right.
That's that's still a sin, nomatter how justified you may
seem, yeah, how right it mayseem.
That may be the easiest solutionto that problem in the world we
live in.
But it's not it's not a solutionin the eyes of the Lord.
It's it's you know, you can't,you know, as he you know, as he
says, you can't fight offdarkness with darkness.

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You know, it just doesn't workthat way.
Um that just causes more becauseit I you know, it's it's one of
those things where you can do alot of things if you're
justified, but most of the timethat wears off and you're left
with the reality of what itreally is.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (51:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:31):
You know, and and for you, you might never forgive
yourself for the rest of yourlife after you've gotten past
the passion of the moment ordoing what you thought was
right, and you may never forgiveyourself for doing it.
And that's tough.
That's a tough life.
You know, you're gonna searchfor forgiveness for the rest of
your life, which is you know,that's that's that's tough to
live with.
So yeah, but that that's that'sdefinitely uh that's probably

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the most controversial one asfar as when we're when we start
talking about forgiveness andhow that affects somebody's life
moving forward.
And even I mean, even to thevictims themselves, because then
people start asking thatquestion, well, why does this
have to happen?
You know, if somebody is coveredby God, why why would he allow
somebody to be murdered?

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So it it's just uh that's athat's a deep topic that, you
know.

SPEAKER_03 (52:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:24):
It's it's a tough one.
But again, as I was saying,that's why that's why it's in
the 10.
Right.
Because of how much pain itcauses.
It's one of those acts that, youknow, once you've gone too far,
I can't just fix this.

SPEAKER_04 (52:39):
Right.
You can't just we can't justpretend you never did it.

SPEAKER_00 (52:44):
You know, we could have done that if you again, if
you would listen to me and how Iwant to do things, you know,
this this could have beenavoided, but now it's you know,
we've now you got now you got alot of work to do, which yeah.
Which leads us to you shall notcommit adultery.
Um I'm in the bad company ofSolomon and King David.

(53:08):
I understand their story.
I've been there, done it.
I I'm as a Christian, I can ownup to that.
Yeah.
You know, that my life led me tofall in love with a woman who
was already married.
And I don't doubt that we weresupposed to be together.
Yeah.
Because I see where we are, andyes, I I truly believe that God

(53:29):
does turn all wrongs for good.
You know, even if because in myheart, well, you know, I had
good intentions, like, no, Lord,let me let me let me do it my
way.
Yeah, let me do it in my timingbecause I feel like where I'm at
where I'm at, where I'm at in mylife, this is what I need right
now.
This this is what I feel is whatI should do.

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Instead of listening to the Lordand saying, I'm not saying this
isn't supposed to happen, butit's not this is not the way
it's supposed to happen.
Yeah.
Like you need you need to listento me, and we need to do it my
way.
I didn't do it that way.
So I have to answer to thatevery day in my life.

SPEAKER_06 (54:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:10):
It's just, you know, and King David had to answer to
it.
King Solomon had to answer toit.

SPEAKER_04 (54:15):
A lot of people have a lot of people have to answer
to it.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
You know, um, and it's and again, it's a number
ten because once you do it, itit affects a lot of it affects
family, it affects people verypersonally, and it's not
something you can just you justcan't fix it.
Yeah.
You know, it's again, you go sofar, and it's one of those sins

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that now you got a lot of workto do.
And there may be people thatwill never forgive you, you
know, no matter what they'vedone.
Right.
It's just one of those thingsbecause they're just some people
can't can't forgive.
It's just the way that it is.
And I have to be spirituallymature enough to say that's
okay.
I don't expect uh people toforgive me for that.

(55:04):
I really don't.
Um there's only one person I doexpect to forgive me for that,
and that's Jesus Christ.
That's it.
But I know that.
I know the responsibility thatcomes with that for you know for
making that decision.
Um and yeah, it it's it canhaunt you every day.
But I think it's a good thing.

(55:24):
It can always make you and forme, and I'm not I'm not saying
this to build myself up, butthat was very uncharacteristic
for me.
Like that was very like thatthat was something I would have
never thought of handling thatway, or something happening to
me, or um that that's like theone thing in my life that I

(55:48):
think, okay, I kind of lostyourself, myself, or my nobility
that I had of how people look atme.
And honestly, sometimes youthink, you know what, I could I
could cover up a lot of otherthings that I don't feel like
I'm good enough in the eyes ofthe Lord, but that's one I
can't.
You know, I I can't do it.
It's just the way it is.

(56:08):
Um so it's just that's not who Iam.
Um and I think her and I'srelationship is is an indicator
that you know you do have we aretwo people who are very
spiritual, that are very closeto God that end up committing

(56:29):
this.
And it's just a fact.
There's there's we did it.
Yeah, it's how we chose to goabout the situation, it was
wrong.

SPEAKER_06 (56:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:36):
Um and we both answer to that all the time.
We both still struggle with thatat times.

SPEAKER_04 (56:43):
But I think uh how you m mainly go about it and you
know how people are going torespond to it, I think that like
you're not going to beshell-shocked whenever they
start to and I think that initself, like you at least and it
it stinks.
Like, why does it have to bethat like that?

SPEAKER_00 (57:02):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, we um I mean, yeah,
we've she's had some closefamily that have been very hard
on her for it.
The people that are supposed tolove her the most are the people
that have been the hardest onher in the situation, which to
me doesn't really make anysense.

SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (57:18):
Um, and that's a whole other I see that as a
wrong, you know.
Um but it but it is what it is.
You know, again, we're guilty ofthat.
There, you know, we have to takeresponsibility for that.
But uh it's just like I said,our relationship is firmly

(57:38):
founded in um, you know, havinga relationship with God.
And I didn't I wasn't goingbefore I met her, I wasn't going
to church, didn't think aboutgoing to church, didn't want to
go to church.
I was on a path that I shouldn'thave been on in the first place.
Yeah.
So, you know, by meeting her, Imet Florence, and Florence is
the one that got me back intochurch because of her example.

(58:01):
And so, no, it wasn't the rightthing to do.
But God I think God was stillable to have to work it out all
for good.
Yeah.
And somehow get me back intochurch to do what I'm doing now.
Yes.
Um, and and I would never, ever,ever, because I've had this

(58:23):
experience, say you should dothat.
Right.
I would tell anybody who isthinking about handling it that
way, that is the last thing youwant to do.
Run, yeah because because I'mtelling you it's gonna be the
hardest thing.
Yeah, you've got it's gonna belike a death.
You you can't you can't handleit that way.
Yeah.
I would never because it'sworked out for me, I would never

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tell anybody that that's theright thing to do.

SPEAKER_04 (58:46):
Yeah.
And even even though it hasworked out for you, you still
have those.

SPEAKER_00 (58:50):
Yes.
Oh yes.
Yeah, you live with it for therest of your life, and it's just
something that you can't.
Yeah.
You know.
It's just you're reminded of itevery day.
And uh, but that's again, that'swhy it's a top tener.
It's just one of those thingsthat you know, it's it's a hard
one.

SPEAKER_02 (59:07):
Okay, how about uh thou shall not steal?

SPEAKER_00 (59:13):
So if you're starving, you haven't eaten five
days, and you walk into agrocery store and you steal a
sandwich.

SPEAKER_03 (59:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:24):
Happens every day.

SPEAKER_03 (59:25):
All the time.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:26):
I mean, steal or die.

SPEAKER_03 (59:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:30):
Um I think I think I think what he was talking about
here is me stealing somethingfrom you.
Like you you have you havesomething not that I'm not that
I'm destitute or hungry or poor.

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But you have a book that I want.
And it's your book.

SPEAKER_00 (59:59):
Out of greed.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:00):
And I just I just I take it because I want it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:04):
I think we have to remember and go back to history
and remember what the Israeliteswere doing.
And you know, why did God giveMoses these to write down?
Like what was going on?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
I think a lot of the times we have to reference, and
I think one of the Israelscannot move forward as a people
unless we get these things undercontrol.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:23):
Yeah, because let's be honest, they're headed into
the city, like the city of allcities.
Like, we don't want that sin inthere.
Yeah, like I mean, they werehorrible, you know.
Like, we need to set themstraight somehow.
So, yeah, I like I think theones that are kind of black and
white like this one, I just tryto think back to okay, well,
what was going on, you know?

(01:00:43):
And everything was going on,that's why he had to set
something free.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:50):
And thou shalt not bear false false witness against
thy neighbors.
You're not supposed to lie aboutabout well, did you see what Sid
did?
She stole this and she took thisand and it's not true.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:13):
Yeah.
And that could be more thancould be your neighbor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:17):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, any anybody.
Anybody that you come in contactwith, you should never like
gossip almost.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:24):
That's almost and even when they're guilty of
something, that doesn't meanthat you go in and expand on the
story.
Yeah.
For your own entertainment.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:38):
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:40):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:40):
If you're not speaking the truth, don't don't
be, you know, if you've got agrievance against somebody, a
valid grievance, it stilldoesn't give you the right to go
and blow the story up to, youknow, now you made the story
even bigger than preach, Nick,preach.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:56):
Bring it on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:59):
Yeah, nobody ever has that right.
And that's how we were sayingabout, you know, Netflix and
take taking out something andthen and then actually putting
untruths in there forentertainment purposes.
It's it's not even fair to aconvicted killer to have to have
that done to their story, totheir life.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:18):
Because he's just as much a human being as I am.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:23):
Why should you feel the need to go in there and make
it even worse?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:28):
Tie-dye it up some more a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:29):
Yeah, for for the sake of a dollar.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:32):
For your for the sake of your own um like you're
getting something out of it.
Like that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:38):
Yeah, like it's more it's because I want it.
Because I feel the need to haveit.
It's you know, it's not so muchout of survival.
Because again, every God knowseverybody's heart and why they
do what they do.
So I I would assume, you know,somebody's starving and that's
their last you know, option.

unknown (01:02:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:56):
Like eat or die.
And I mean Okay, I think we canget past that one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:01):
I could be getting something like that here sh
shortly with everything goingon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:06):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:07):
The snap benefits and everything.
Like I never really I didn'treally look at it like that
until yet last night whenChase's aunt was texting me
about like our um pantry andstuff, and she's like, I I don't
know, said just keep your doorsdouble locked, and said I it
could get scary out there, andit's sad that yeah, it might

(01:03:30):
because people are going to bestarving, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:33):
No, you know, and it's what how however you think
about this personally orpolitically, um, yeah, we got a
lot of people out there takingadvantage of this system that we
created, which guess whatthough?
We created this system, we letit get out of hand.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:48):
That's that's just a f the fact.
Yeah, so yeah, me personally, Idon't believe people should be
taking advantage of the system.
If you can go to work andprovide for your family, go to
work and provide for yourfamily.
That's what you should be doing.
Don't keep living off SNAPbenefits for the rest of your
life and teaching your childrento do it.
Right, yeah.
That's not right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:04):
Yeah, like it should be a goal to get off of them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:06):
Yeah, but it's not the children's fault either that
their parents have decided tobuild their life program, and
now they're gonna starve.
And so now, yeah, now we'vecreated this huge problem.
Like, now what do we do?

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:20):
Well, it's too late now.
You know, now it's now it'sabove our you know, uh our
control.
Yeah.
It's so it's like, yeah, what dowe do?
You know.
So, but that's why it's like,okay, we we need to we need to
solve this thing from the groundup.
Yes.
You know, we you you can't justall of a sudden you can't just
all of a sudden like take itaway, but we can't just keep

(01:04:44):
letting people live in thesystem because it's doing it is
doing more harm than good tohave this mindset of people in
our society.
Yeah, I think I don't have towork for anything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:54):
Um if they'll just keep giving hands.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:57):
But that's not good.
The system has made people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:59):
Exactly.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:01):
Because we we let it happen.
We didn't hold peopleaccountable.
Uh the government created thisprogram and just let it just get
out of control to where, well,it's too late now.
Now you got thousands, maybe Idon't know what the number, how
many people are in this countryactually depending on the phone.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:18):
I think I read somewhere millions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:20):
I thought yeah.
It's like that to think aboutthat is crazy in an American
society that we have to havemillions of people relying on
this program.
It's like we we're we we've donesomething wrong a long time ago.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:32):
You know to let it get this.
You have somebody who works for$13,$14 an hour who doesn't
really qualify for assistance,but you're they are expected to
pay seven or eight hundreddollars a month rent.

(01:05:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's easier to stay home andlive on the system than it is to
try to struggle and make it.
Yep.
Yeah.
Pension pennies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:00):
That's the problem is you've got you've got an
honest person who is going towork every day, like you said,
making thirteen, fourteendollars an hour, and just need a
little help to keep feedingtheir kids properly, to keep so
that maybe they can save thatmoney to buy the washer and
dryer, buy the you know, newfurniture, buy the new car.
Um that that's what would makesense to me is like, okay, if

(01:06:23):
you've got hardworking Americanswho are just struggling to keep
ahead, as long as they'reworking, give them a little
help.
Exactly.
There's nothing wrong with that.
That's that's what it's supposedto be.
Or yeah, if you got the guy thatjust lost his job after, you
know, 15 years and he's intransition and he's got three
kids and needs help, yeah,that's what it's for.

(01:06:43):
Help that guy out.
He's he's got a track record ofgoing to work every day.
But when you've got these peoplethat have no track record and
keep having children, and that'sall that they're doing, so that
they can rack up more SNAPbenefits, it's like, okay,
that's no, we can't we can'tallow that to happen.
You know, but again, you can'tjust let the kids starve.
So it's a complicated issue.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:05):
Yeah.
Last one, we got one more.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
One more.
This is thou shalt not covet thycovet thy neighbor's house.
Thou shalt not covet thyneighbor's wife, nor his
manservant, nor his maidservant,nor his ox, nor his ass, nor
anything that is thy neighbor's.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:27):
This one I was the most excited about because covet
covet is something that we can'treally have or can't afford to
have.
And here we are talking aboutpeople with a thousand dollar
car loans or car payments, youknow, and like keeping up with
the Joneses status.
And it's like you know, pe yousee that happening across the

(01:07:50):
country, but no one ever talksabout that Ten Commandment.
And because let's be honest,it's it's a secret.
Like, well, I'm not gonna actlike I can't afford my$1,000 car
payment that I chose to have athousand dollar car payment for.
Not me.
I'm just saying other people,you know what I mean?
But they're they're tooembarrassed to say it, but it's
like I feel like that's why thisone's never talked about because

(01:08:11):
they're just too embarrassed tosay that that's what they're
doing.
But the reason they're doing itis because they're just trying
to keep up with the Joneses nextdoor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:18):
Yeah.
Yep.
Everybody thinks they well,everybody feels entitled.
Like I should have these things.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:26):
Yes, I should be able to keep up with it's an
emotional, like, oh me, me, me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:30):
Emotional high.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:32):
I should always have, you know, when the iPhone,
what are we up to now?

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:35):
Gosh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:36):
I don't even because I don't follow that.
I don't even follow it.
iPhone 10 or I got it.
Oh no, I think they're 15 now.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:42):
I don't know.
When my iPhone broke and theysaid, Oh, well, we can take your
phone in on a trade, and they'relike, Oh no, we don't even want
it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:49):
Yeah, and they do that.
They dangle in front of you.
Oh, you could trade this phonein right now and get the brand
new iPhone 15.
And only and so there's peoplethat anytime that new phone
comes out, they gotta have it.
The other one works just fine,but they gotta have it because
they want, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:05):
Well, and then I think too, you see, and I'm not
picking on the youngergeneration, but they see, well,
mom and dad had this, mom anddad had that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:15):
But mom and dad didn't have that when they were
starting out at twenty-one andtwenty-two years old.
But they and they have toremember that they want to have
that.
Uh-huh.
You know, and uh I've I've hadto try to tell my sister that
like, hey, mom and dad have thatnice house out on what front
because mom and dad have beenworking the same job, you know.
They have they they are wellestablished now.
It it didn't used to be likethat when we were growing up,

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you know, we were on thebenefits and you know, we were
pinching pennies and you know,all the things, and it's like
it's not like that anymore.
Like you can't automaticallyhave that shy, like and she
won't care if I you know say hername, but she you know, you
can't automatically have that.
Like you you have to build it,you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:54):
Yeah, like it's you have to pay your dues.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:57):
Exactly.
Yeah, it stinks, but yeah, likeyou're in that um like growing
pain.
Yeah, you're you know, likethat's what it is right now, and
you just have to face reality.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:06):
So we've kind of created that as parents because
we've bought them that new home.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:13):
Yeah, we bought them that new computer gaming system,
and now they don't want to likeit's gonna be like a culture
shock, like wait a minute, yeah,you know, and they're gonna have
that culture shock when it comesto now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:26):
I gotta afford this on my own.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:27):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:28):
You know, it was always given to me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:30):
You know, I have I have all the same things that I
think that's the difference, isthese young kids have all the
same things that we adults do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:40):
Like, you know, like when I was a kid, I had toys.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:44):
I didn't have uh things that my parents had
worked hard to get.
You know, like I didn't have myown phone in my room.
And I didn't have uh, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:55):
And you know, I was like, I don't know, 12 maybe
when I got my first phone, butthe only reason I got it was
because it was a flip phone, itwas$20 a month, and I made sure
I did twenty dollars somehow ofchores, not even at my house.
Like we didn't offer, like myparents didn't offer chores, but
I would go to my grandma's, I'dgo to my other grandma's
somehow.
I would make twenty dollars in30 days to get that card.

(01:11:17):
You know what I mean?
Like none of them look like workthat way anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:21):
No, well, complete generational.
You can see it here.
When I was 16, that's what Iwanted was a phone in my room.
Now I'm talking a phone that'shooked up to the wall.
Yeah, and I can remember I got apink phone that I just thought
because it wasn't the one thathung up this way on the wall, it
was one that sat down like that.
I think they called it theprincess phone or something.
I was so excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:43):
But it just I was 16.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:47):
I wasn't six.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you were coming into it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:50):
And your mom could turn it off.
Yeah, and could listen to whatyou were saying and could yank
it out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:56):
Your dad could come in and yank the board right out
of the wall if you wanted to.
Yeah, you know, yeah, with nocost to him whatsoever.
That may not happen.
You know, now one of yeah,right.
Now one of these babies ishundreds of dollars.
And and it's just like, and wewe just think as parents, like
these kids have to have it fortheir own protection.
I'm like You're just tellingyourself that we were kids.

(01:12:18):
We would disappear for hours,our parents didn't even know
where we were, and we're betteroff for it.
Uh yeah, they just we think kidshave to have all these things,
and they have to, and it's justit's destroy like I said, it's
destroying like I I can'timagine just starting out.
Um Sid, I can't imagine startingout raising kids now.
Yeah.

(01:12:38):
With all of these things thatyou have to deal with and
monitor, and just you know, youknow, you know Coop's gonna be
coming to you like, you know, mybuddy's got the you know,
iPhone.
By the time he's old, it'll beiPhone 45, yeah, yeah.
Whatever it's gonna be, and he'sgotta have it.
And he's you know, everybodyelse has it, I have to have it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:58):
And well, I think too, because of both parents
working, we feel that guilt.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:03):
Yeah.
And so we well, we've we've justtotally lost like honor thy
father.
Uh-huh.
We've just totally lost the factthat we're the parents.
Like we're not your friend.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:15):
We're your parent.
We love you.
We we want we want to see thebest things for you.
We're here to guide you.
You're not here to tell us whatwe think or what you think you
need.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:26):
We know what you need.
Right.
Right.
You know, but now it's the otherway around.
Like now you listen to your kidsand they should tell you, you
know, uh, they need everything.
You know, they, you know,there's no there's no
boundaries, there's no growth.
There's no everything is, youknow, like I said, everything is
just uh, you know, they'rethey're they're just they gotta

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have it all now.
You know, there's no waitinguntil they're old enough to even
understand that, hey, I got fivehundred dollars in my hand.
I never had five hundred dollarsin my hand as a as a
10-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:58):
Yeah.
In any forum whatsoever.
And it's always in their hand.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:02):
It's always in their hand.
And they could throw it, theycould leave it wherever, they
can and it's like they theydon't even get it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:09):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:09):
And we're doing it to our we're doing it to
ourselves.
Not me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:14):
You know when I got my first phone?
About 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:19):
You know, and it's easy because like it's under
contract.
So it's in your so you didn'treally pay$500 for the phone,
but you're paying on it.
Yeah.
So it's like, oh, it's onlyanother$10 a month for the next
one.
35 years.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and we just we we'vegotten this mindset that, you
know, just we're willing.

(01:14:40):
I yeah, I don't I think that'sthe problem with where we're
headed.
It's just parents no longer haveany control um of what happens.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:49):
But you know, we can't blame the kids though.
We No, we did it.
You know, that's the thing.
Like it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:55):
But you can't convince the the well, some some
some younger adults.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:00):
You can't convince the generation that did it that
they actually did it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:05):
Truth.
That's so true.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:08):
Because that means they'd have to give it up too.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
You know, and it's nobody andnobody wants to give up
anything.
No.
No.
No.
Even for the for the commongood.
It's like, nope, I am notwilling to sacrifice that.
Yep.
Um, yeah, just not willing to doit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:24):
And just think Jesus sacrificed everything for us.
Yeah.
And we're not.
And we're sacrifice a telephone.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:31):
Nope.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:32):
So do you ever think there was a person or is a
person besides Jesus that haskept all these Ten Commandments?
No.
No.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:41):
Not a one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:42):
And I there was a on my one devotional, it says it's
like the motherhood one thatI've talked about, but it said
trying to memorize scripture,like, you know, tips and tricks
and stuff.
But it said, you know, whenevermy kid, um, my first kid was a
toddler, I would turn on thesesongs for littles or something.
And she had a couple differentones that she turned on, so I've

(01:16:04):
been turning them on for Cooper.
And the one was called The TenCommandments.
And I mean, this was like a day,like it was so so bizarre how it
happened because we brought upthe you know Ten Commandments
when we decided that we're gonnado it, and then I had this
devotional, and then she waslike saying about these songs,
and so I went and Googled orYouTube a couple of these

(01:16:24):
different bands, and the one wasabout the Ten Commandments, and
I was like, Oh, well, I'm gonnalisten to this one because you
know I want to see what justlisten to the lyrics, and it
said, No one can keep them alleven on their best behavior.
That's why we all need a savior.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:41):
Nice.
And I'm like, Yep, well, yeah,obviously.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:44):
But it's like, yeah, no one, no one has, no one will.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:48):
No, and like I said, as I said at the beginning, I
don't think humans, we don'treally understand sin.
We do, but we don't.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:58):
Like even when we see that that truck coming, we
see the deadlights coming, we'restaying in the middle of the
road.
Sometimes we just stand there.
Like we know that we know thetruck's gonna hit us, we know
what it's gonna do to us, but westill stand there.
So obviously we don't understandit.
Um God is is the only one thattruly understands sin and the
outcome of it and all theeffects that it has, which is I

(01:17:22):
think out of love and protectionfor his people.
Like I said, my people cannotmove forward with the mission,
with with my word, if if wedon't start getting these ten
things under control.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:36):
And it wasn't, hey, here's these ten commandments.
If you you know abide by all ofthem, you'll see eternal life.
Like that wasn't the point ofit.
The point was like to show yourcommitment to your savior, you
know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:50):
Like, yeah, and we're on a path here of no
return.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:54):
If we don't start following these commandments,
these people are just becomingcompletely unruly.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:58):
Uh, you know, like I said, the family units gone.
You know, there's just nostrength at all in in my word,
and we're worshiping gods thatthey don't eat you know, that
they just met yesterday or justfound yesterday.
Uh yeah, it's just my people andmy word is just going to
completely disappear from theearth if we don't get these.
These are the ten things thatare causing the most you know,

(01:18:21):
he could have he could have madeit the twenty commandments or
the thirty commandments.
But these were the ten thingsthat were like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:28):
Well, there's there's so many things that you
could branch off of each one ofthem.
Sure.
Yeah.
Means this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:33):
But it's you know, it's like you know, it's like
our bill of rights.
We wanted to talk about ourcountry and our bill of rights.
There's those ten things thatare like the foundation of what
we believe as Americans that weshould have and protect.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:48):
And of course, we're sometimes at a point now in our
country where I mean, I don't eI don't even remember what all
ten bill of rights are.
I don't.
But but they're so important,but most Americans don't even
know what they are.
Yeah.
And that's safe to say, maybe alot of Christians don't know
what the Ten Commandments are.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:07):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:08):
Yeah, you know the big ones.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:10):
But sometimes, like, you know, don't covet or honor
thy father and thy mother, oryou know, you hear them but you
don't understand them.
Yeah.
Um so it's, you know, thatthat's where we are.
Um yeah, i it's it's not just auh like I said, it's I wanted to
say too, it's the TenCommandments is not your
certificate to judge.

(01:19:31):
Yes.
You should never have them inyour back pocket as a as a you
know, get out of jail freakingor something like that to just
I'm gonna attack people anytimeI you know what I'm seeing right
here?

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:44):
Like the Book of Hooville.
But yes, Mr.
Mayor, true, but the Book ofHooville also says you know what
I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:51):
Like Yeah.

unknown (01:19:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:52):
And then he says something, and she's like, What
does it say?

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:55):
Oh, it's in here, nobody was in here.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:59):
Roger's like, What?

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:01):
Oh, this is getting scary.
The Grinch The Grinch.
Oh, the Grinch.
Jim Carrey, 2008.
No, 2007, 2008, or is it earlierthough?
It was earlier.
Oh, yeah, maybe it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:16):
2004, I think.
Okay.
I might have to phone Chase andask him he'd know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:22):
Phone friend.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:23):
Phone a friend.
I'm s I'm surprised he hasn'tturned it on yet for Cooper.
This year.
He's already turned it on lastyear for him.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:30):
Well, November 1st.
It'll be like I said.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:32):
There was one year he turned it on in September.
And I'm like, what are we doing,buddy?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:40):
Hey, I was watching Christmas reels.
I remember in summertime I waswatching, yeah, like, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:47):
It was really hot.
Christmas in July.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:53):
Well.
Any other parting words?

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:58):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:59):
No.
Alright.
I will pray us out of here then.
All right.
Dear Heavenly Father, Lord, Ijust thank you for this time
we've had this evening, Lord.
Um, I just thank you that we areable to gather here um and talk
about the things that, you know,some people have questions with.

(01:21:20):
And I just thank you that, youknow, this was brought on
Jenny's heart to do this one.
Um, and I'm just thankful thatwe all, you know, came with just
our own um words, words ofencouragement, advice, you know,
even just our own two cents.
Um, you know, let this touchsomeone now, let it touch
someone ten years from now.

(01:21:41):
Um, I just pray for travelmercies and in your name.
Amen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:46):
Amen.
Amen.