Halloween, Faith, And Finding The Line

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A totaled car, every airbag deployed, and a calm voice over OnStar. That’s how our conversation opens—and the shock, gratitude, and timing of what followed become a surprising doorway into a bigger question: how do we hold joy, safety, and faith as Halloween rolls around?

We trace the tangled roots of the season—from Salem’s tragic trials and the unfair seizure of women’s property, to older European customs meant to ward off evil ahead of All Saints Day. Along the way, we talk about what makes someone “a witch” in today’s culture and why turning a historical injustice into a fashionable identity can miss the point. We also get honest about media: when a horror story redeems courage, and when it just glamorizes harm. If a show numbs our compassion, it deserves a hard pass.

Then we get practical. Is it possible to trick-or-treat without bowing to darkness? We think so—if you treat conscience as a compass, not a sledgehammer. Scripture doesn’t name Halloween, but it does call us to avoid idols, protect the vulnerable, and consider weaker consciences. We share ways to light up your block with warmth, pass out candy with meaning, pray over kids, skip the gory houses, and still make memories that last. And we admit our own blind spots—how phones, football, and binge-watching can quietly become idols that steal our best attention from God.

If you’ve wrestled with Christians and Halloween, this conversation offers history, nuance, and hope. You’ll leave with a simple framework: examine intent, honor conscience, choose what builds love, and let Scripture guide without becoming a weapon. If it draws you closer to God and your neighbor, you’re on the right path.

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
That's good.

SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
Do you know what the topic is?

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
A Halloween.

SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Good job.
We changed it up on him.
You're sharp as attacked today,bro.
Sharp has attacked.
So we know he's had his phonebecause that was how we changed
the topic.
So that means you haven't lostyour phone recently.

SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
And I know where it's at and I keep it charged.
Unlike my wife.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Well, I was gonna say you have to now that you
don't have the landline.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
Yeah.
Oh, you got rid of the landline.
Yeah.
Well, it's too expensive.
Oh, it is.
My goodness.
I mean, you know, plus, then wechanged our phone.
Uh our carrier was a phone, andit's actually half as much as it
was for most of our linesbefore.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
Well, now it's always a package, right?
Like you gotta have the landlineand maybe the internet, and you
know, you just I don't can evenjust have a landline.
Yeah, you can just have alandline.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33):
Okay.
But we you know, we had internetalso.
With the landline.
But I mean they they even chargeyou for writing the sending the
statement.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
For writing the statement.
I thought, well, what in theworld?
Yeah.
You know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
Because they want you to go digital.
I still don't go digital.
I'm like, nope.
I'm old school, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
Well, I think before we get started, Beth needs to
tell her story of why we weren'there last week.

SPEAKER_05 (02:04):
Well I went deer hunting.
In her car.
In my car.
And I really don't know whetherI hit a doe or a buck.
I can just tell you it was big.
Big.
Totaled my car.

SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
It did number on your coat.

SPEAKER_05 (02:24):
It did.
Um, all the airbags went off,and I was a little rattled
because I thought maybe I hitsomebody because I thought my
OnStar was gone because Ithought I just had it for one
year and somebody's yelling atme, are you all right?
Are you all right?
And I'm like trying to look outthe windows and I can't see
because the airbags werecovering it.
And I'm like, Yeah, where areyou?

(02:48):
I'm here, I'm in your radio.
Finally, she's like, This isOnStar.
And I'm I'm like, I'm gladnobody was happy.

SPEAKER_02 (02:56):
Well, I would have thought the same thing though,
because you canceled it.
So, like, yeah, you wouldn'thave thought that it would but
here, I guess that year you gotit for three years.

SPEAKER_04 (03:05):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (03:06):
So it's good to know.
I didn't know I still had it.
So and she's like, Are you allright?
I'm like, I'm trapped.
And they're like, Why are youtrapped?
Are you hurt?
You know, I'm like, no, allthese airbags, my door won't
open.

SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
Ham me, ham, ham.
That would be that'd be aninteresting job to be like her,
you know what I mean?
Like when you say I'm trapped,you're like, Well, no, I guess
because they they can't seewhere you're at or anything, you
know.

SPEAKER_00 (03:31):
But I'm sure there's never a dull moment.
Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 (03:33):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_05 (03:34):
But I mean, like, I mean, you this huge explosion,
then the smoke fills your car,and then you got somebody
yelling.
I'm thinking, oh, maybe itwasn't a deer I hit.
You know, and well, I didn'treally hit it.
Hit the front fender of my caron the driver's side, flipped
over onto the hood, and thenwent down in front of me.
Oh my god.
But like the airbags, sideairbags went off, seat airbags

(03:58):
went off that I didn't even knowI had seat airbags.
The only airbag that did not gooff was um the one in the
steering wheel.

SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
I hear that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
Well, that's a good thing though.
Is it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because they they they say, Idon't know, that you know, if
you get hit with that one, youknow, you're it just basically
blows up in your face.
And people get a lot of shratneland stuff in there.

SPEAKER_05 (04:22):
Yeah.
So I think because I got hitfrom the side is why they all
went off.
But the one that comes out ofthe steering wheel, it deflates,
you know.
The ones on the side don't.
I don't know if it's becausethey it protects you if you
would roll or something.
Probably.
But the state patrolman had tocut me out, cut those all out so
I could even see him.

(04:43):
And then I had to crawl acrossthe other side because my door
wouldn't open.
Oh no.
But hey, he's like, Well, howfar do you live?
I said, about maybe a half amile, because I was just across
the bridge outside Janaton,right past where you turn to go
on 416 to Tusky.
Oh, yeah.
And um he's like, I think I gotsome zip ties back there.
He tied up my fender.

(05:05):
I drove it home, called mysister, I said, Can you take me
to Columbus?
I'd said, I'm not missing thisdoctor's appointment.
And she's like, Nope, but I'llbring you my car.
So within a half hour, I wasback on the road, shaking all
the way to Columbus.
But the Lord blessed me, hereally did, because they gave me

(05:25):
a very good amount for my car,which I did not expect.
That's good.
And the car I originally wantedthat Jarve wouldn't spend the
extra money at the time when Igot my car, I was able to get,
and it was only a thousanddollars over what they gave me
on my car.
That's good.
Plus, it it is a year older.

(05:46):
Yeah.
It has less miles on it.
Oh.
And it is fully loaded.
And it's one at any time.
More things than bells andwhistles that I know what to do
with.

SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Yeah, should we say, Oh, where who where are you at?
Who you who are you talking to?
Yeah.
And nothing's happened.
Should we be talking to somebodynow?

SPEAKER_05 (06:06):
Yeah, it God kept me safe.
And I gotta tell you, it was asI was just starting to speed up,
and I thought, I need to slowdown.
The deer are gonna be running.
And I no more thought that, andboom.
What time were you?
It was 5 30.

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
Oh 5 30 in the morning.
Yeah.
Because it doesn't even getlight right now until like 7 30.
Yeah, it was dark and dark,dark, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (06:30):
But I mean, he just had his hand on me, he kept me
safe.
I really think it was his voicethat I was hearing telling me to
slow down.
Yeah.
And and he just has hand throughit all.
I mean, all the way down to theoffer that they gave me for my
car.
Yep.
And we had just taken the moneyout of the bank and paid that
car off in July.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
So I was really like, oh yeah.
Yeah, a lot of the time, likethat gap insurance, I think
that's kind of the purpose ofit, because typically they'll
offer you a lot less than whatyour car would be worth.
Or, you know, that's whatthey're saying it's worth.
And it's like, but even with thegap insurance, they said it that

(07:12):
fluctuates like and I'm like,well then how are I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (07:16):
It was like my car was only two years old.
Oh.
So I was really shocked thatthey it still was ten thousand
dollars less than what we paidfor it, but yeah.
Well, you got to drive it fortwo years.

SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (07:30):
Put my when they and I won't probably ever buy a new
car because I'm they say onceyou drive it off the lot, oh
yeah, you've lost that.
And that was proof of it rightthere.
But I still did, you know, Imean, they still did give me
more than I expected.
That's nice.
So I got new wheels.
Didn't get hurt.

(07:50):
Beth's got new wheels.

SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Now she can come really four slide, four-wheel
sliding in the park.

SPEAKER_05 (07:56):
Yeah, this one's got a bigger engine than my other
one.
So I'll really be flying inhere.

SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
It reminds me, I'm still parked caddy womp right
now.
Probably how Beth comes in mostof the time.

SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
Well, yeah, but she parks clear down at the end, so
you're safe.
Yeah, true.
Plus she's already here, soyeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Now, the doctor you went to, was it the one Sarah
seen?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's exciting.

SPEAKER_05 (08:24):
I was hoping that he would give me reinsurance that I
didn't need something asinvasive as you just told me
your doctor's on the right page.
But you need done.
Oh, okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
That stinks.

SPEAKER_05 (08:40):
It does, because I don't I really don't want to be
down for 12 weeks.
That's a lot.
He's like, well, two weeksyou'll be walking with a walker,
and then two weeks after that,you know, you can ditch the
walker, and I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (08:57):
Yeah.

unknown (09:00):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (09:01):
So it oh well.
So I go back and see my originalsurgeon on the sixth.
So and if this is what he'sgonna quit do, I'm gonna tell
him you need to get it done inDecember because I've met my
deductible.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:16):
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (09:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Hope, man, hopefully they can get you scheduled.
I know, that's why I'm worried.
Well, if God's got a hand in it,I think hopefully happen.

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
Yeah.
It'll work out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (09:31):
I don't I I don't really want to have it done.
Yeah.
But like this doctor said, youneed you're gonna have to have
it done regardless down theroad, whether you do it now or
do it down the road.
You might as well do it nowwhile you're younger and
healthier than waiting, youknow, five, ten more years and
and have that deductible met.

SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Yeah, I'm sure recovery will be much easier if
you're younger as opposed towhat ten years.

SPEAKER_05 (10:02):
Yeah, they're wanting to fuse um the bottom, I
don't even know what numbers,but in the thoracic, they're
wanting to fuse those, put rodson both sides, and then plates
across it so it doesn't shift.
Man.
And then they will widen wherethe stenosis is at where it's um
pinching the pinching everythingand fix the herniated disc.

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
You're gonna be the six million dollar one.
Oh, I am, I am.
She won't be able to run for alittle bit.

SPEAKER_01 (10:34):
I won't be able to run for 12 weeks.

SPEAKER_05 (10:36):
I'll be chasing with my walker down.

SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
That's that sounds spooky.
It is.
Spooky.

SPEAKER_03 (10:47):
Spooky as we roll around.
I'm trying.
I'm like, oh man.

SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
We're gonna talk about Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 (10:55):
All right.
Well, Sidola, you you uh Okay.
You brought this forward.
So we can start.
And I like I said, you uhpresented a lot of good
questions.

SPEAKER_02 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
Which some of them I don't even know if they were
quite related to Halloween.
Yeah, and they were still kindof fit into that.

SPEAKER_02 (11:11):
Yeah, and I will say they were it was so one of our
congregants reached out to me,Jenny, um, and was like, Hey,
have you guys ever thought aboutdoing a podcast about Halloween?
And I'm like, I just alwaysthought we've already done one
just because we've talked aboutit like in little snippets, you
know.
But then I went back and lookedat all of our podcasts, I'm

(11:33):
like, oh, I guess we haven'tdone one entirely on that, you
know.
And I'm like, yeah, I wouldn'tbe opposed to doing one.
And um, she's like, I even havelike questions that I've just
like, you know, gathered overthe years and I've always
because she's a big Harry Potterfan and I think Halloween fan.
Um, and and I know like when shefirst started coming to church,

(11:55):
like I don't know if it waspeople here or if it was just
people that she knew were like,oh, well, you can't be a
Christian and you know, watchHarry Potter and all the things.
So it's kind of been somethingon her mind a lot.
Um and I know Michael kind oftouched on it a couple times in
different, you know, episodes,but then Nick went to Salem a

(12:17):
few weeks ago, and then I had afriend who went to Salem just
this past weekend.
So I was kind of asking her whatshe thought about it because
when I had talked with you lastweek about it, I'm like, oh, you
know, like I wasn't expecting itto be very overcrowded, like you
said, and very touristy.
And um, but basically Macy wassaying, like, yeah, um, she

(12:38):
said, I loved it, but she saidI'm getting a lot of pushback
and feedback from Christianssaying I shouldn't have gone
because I'm a Christian, youknow.
And then I was like, oh man,this is probably the Holy Spirit
like pushing me to bring this upto you guys, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (12:53):
Um, so yeah, that's but I don't believe that they
were truly rich witches.

SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
Well, short history.
I believe what was happening isif you were a woman in those
times and you owned any land orhad anything of any worth, well,
guess what?
If you could be accused of acrime of any kind, you would
have to forfeit your property.
And so then once you forfeit it,then of course who could who

(13:19):
could come forward and purchaseit?
You know, the people at the top,people with big money, the
landowners that already got it.
So they would be able to sweepin, take these women's land, you
know, buy it, whatever thatprocess was.
So there is uh a substantialclaim that a lot of these women
uh were being accused ofwitchcraft in order to get

(13:40):
possession of their property orwhat they had.
Um so there's some controversyabout about that.

SPEAKER_05 (13:48):
I think uh uh my daughter was talking about it
the one day that uh the one ofthe women's husband died at a
very young age.
And usually then, like thebrother-in-laws or the other men
of the family would take overthe farm if she was proven that
she wasn't able to continue it.
But she was able to.
So therefore, the brother-in-lawaccused her of being in

(14:08):
witchcraft.
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (14:10):
So he could have the form.
So he could have the form.
Because the deal was back then,if you married a woman, and this
is how a lot of men would dothis, is they men would try to
marry up.
They wanted to marry a woman whohad inherited a lot of property,
you know, um, a lot you know, alot of estate.
And so as soon as they marrythat woman, it all transfers to

(14:31):
the man.
It all becomes his when youmarry him.

SPEAKER_03 (14:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:34):
And that was just standard practice back then.
Um, so when you couple thatwith, yeah, if if there's a
woman in the community, youknow, that is able to provide
for herself and and take care ofland and stuff like that, well
then she becomes a targetbecause number one, it's that's
the standard.
Like we don't believe womenshould do that.

(14:57):
They should not be in thatposition to be landowners, to to
uh be in control of an estate.
Um so how else we, you know, sohow are we gonna get around
this?
Well, yeah, you accuse them ofwitchcraft or something else,
and yeah, and then once they goto jail or you know, they're
found guilty, then you're thenext in line to get it.
You could just you could justtake you take whatever you want.
You take everything they have.

(15:18):
So they believe that that mayhave had a good deal to do with
that.
Yeah.
And you know, and that area forSalem and Massachusetts, and you
know, there's a lot of Puritansat the time, and you know, they
were uh very, very strict ontheir religious beliefs, and for
better or for worse, that couldhave sometimes that could have

(15:41):
negative impact on the phone.

SPEAKER_05 (15:43):
Yeah, and the women had actually no rights back in
that time.

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, women had no rights.
Um which divorce was veryuncommon back then, but if it
did happen, it's quite oppositeof today.
Like most the men would get thechildren, like no questions
asked.
So it just, you know, that's howthat's how hard it was for a
woman to um, you know, to haveproperty, to have any kind of

(16:08):
standing whatsoever in society.
So yeah.
And I don't know a whole lotabout it.
Like I've never actually read abook about it or history about
it.
So, you know, I just know thebasics of it.
But yeah, that's kind of whatI've I learned a little bit of
that when I was there, and youknow, and I had kind of heard
that kind of thing before, andjust knowing what I know of that
time period kind of makes sense.

(16:30):
Yeah.
Because it just kind of it was abig thing and then it fizzled
out.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
It's like they didn't keepaccusing people people of
witchcraft after the fact.
It was like this big epidemic,so to speak, and then maybe once
they got all these women's landand everything, then there's
nothing more to steal.
Yeah, there's nothing more tosteal, so now we can quit

(16:51):
accusing people of it.

unknown (16:52):
So you know.

SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
Well, like when I brought it up to you guys, Beth
was kind of saying, like,because we are all kind of
putting our own two senses in onhow we think of Halloween, and
um, she was saying, you know,there's certain things she does
or doesn't do, but she's like,But I can tell you that when I
take my grandkids or when theygo, like I am fully covering
them in the blood, like prayingover that.

(17:15):
And that was one of Jenny'squestions.
Like, when we say that, like ifwe just say it, are we fully
covered or like is there more toit?
What what do you guys think?

SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Well, like if you say it, you're you're you're you
know, if you're if you're askingGod, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
Like if you're saying it and meaning it's like
you are covered.

SPEAKER_00 (17:35):
Yeah, you know, so I don't Well, you do have to ask
yourself that question of okay,if this is my true belief, and
and I'm doing something that Ibelieve I need to cover my
children in the blood, as we'redoing this activity, then you do
have to ask that question, okay,what are your beliefs?
How does this activity or thisum you know, how does this

(17:57):
affect um my relationship withGod?
Yeah, my religion.
Um because I don't know, becauselike I said, you all know that I
decorate for Halloween.
I have a huge display, whichright now with all this wind and
rain, I had to lay stuff downagain tonight.
I'm like, I'm done.
Halloween's over.
Because I had to rebuild it onceafter that big storm came
through.

SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
And I'm like, I'm not doing this again.
I'll just get ready forChristmas.

SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
Maybe there's maybe there's a message there for you.

SPEAKER_03 (18:23):
Maybe, I don't know.
Could be, could be.

SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
But uh I was like, I'll just get ready for
Christmas.
We're good.
Um I I I think I think we had toquestion this with anything
because I believe I'm to thepoint now, I I believe there's
so many things we do as humanbeings, whether it looks good on

(18:47):
paper or not, is a sin.
I mean, like I think the factthat as a culture, as Americans,
that most of us will spend ourentire Sunday sitting in front
of a TV watching football uh isis a sin.
Yeah.
It's against what the Lord wantsout of us for that day.

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
Like the Sabbath is not for football.
It is like, yes, you are usingit like as a Sabbath towards
football, not towards Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Yeah, you're not thinking about Jesus at all.

SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
Like you're resting in football, not using it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Um and of course, you know, football has, you
know, it's a multi-billiondollar business, not only the
pros, but college as well.
So, you know, now our wholeculture is, you know, there's a
game Monday night, I thinkTuesday, Thursday, Friday,
Saturday, Sunday.
So it's just, you know, takingover our entire culture.
Um and again, it looks good onpaper, but we all know that when

(19:43):
anything becomes thismulti-billion dollar business,
that there's a lot of stuffgoing on behind the scenes that
is not right.
Yeah, there's a lot of evilgoing on behind the scenes,
there's a lot of greed there.
Uh when you're passing that muchmoney around, there's bound to
be trouble somewhere.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know, so and and you cantalk about, you know, in doing

(20:05):
that, we're also worshipingidols because we all look up to
these players and want to belike these players and wish we
could be a football player.
And again, we honor them, wewear their jerseys.
Like we live it.
Yeah, if you're a fan, like alot of Cleveland Browns fans,
you live it.
You know, so that's that'sworshiping idols.

(20:28):
So we're not supposed to dothat.

SPEAKER_03 (20:29):
Yeah.
But we do it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
So we do it.
Um so for me, it's a very broadsubject that I think you could
take you could take anything inyour life and say, you know
what, I probably shouldn't bedoing that.
But what are we all supposed todo?
Are we all supposed to just sitin our ch chairs and and do
nothing?

SPEAKER_03 (20:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
Yeah, but you know what they say, idle hands is the
devil's workshop, too.

SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
So you have to be doing something.

SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
So Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
As I said, you know, I decorate for Halloween, I've
always celebrated it.
Um, but for me personally, itit's it's something that I
always enjoyed since I was alittle kid, and my mom always
made it special.
And there was never any in fact,her one rule about

(21:21):
trick-or-treating was you arenot allowed to dress as the
devil.

SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:25):
You're not allowed to have a devil cock.

SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
So don't even think about picking it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:29):
That's my thing.
Like double.

SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
So that was the only rule we had, but we did have it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:33):
Um But yeah, uh, she just made it such a special time
in our lives.
And for me, not having both myparents already at this age, you
know, there's a lot of goodmemories that I have of spending
time during that holiday and howspecial they made it for me.
That that's that's what Icelebrate, that's what I hold in

(21:57):
my heart.
Um, I don't give Satan anycredit at all for that holiday.
Yeah.
Like I have never I've neveracknowledged him at all within
like it's his holiday.
Yeah.
To me, it's like Satan can onlyhave what you give him.

SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
That's what I was just thinking.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
You know, but in saying that, I if somebody
thinks that celebrating thatholiday is going to harm their
relationship with God that isgetting in the way of their
growth spiritually, then I wouldsay don't celebrate it.

SPEAKER_02 (22:33):
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, I um kind of like howwe say, you know, work out your
own salvation.
Like it almost goes hand in handwith this topic again.
You know what I mean?
Because Yeah, you know, it maybeand I think it depends on like
what was your what was yourstory like before you knew God,
you know.
Were you into paganism?

(22:55):
Were you into because if that'sthe case and it's going to make
you stumble, okay, maybe weshouldn't, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Yeah, and it's and in the case of the Salem witch
trials, okay, that's anhistorical fact that these
trials took place and theyaccused these women of being
witches.
Now you could study up on what awitch actually means.
It's not always in in the in thehistorical record, it's not
always about being so-calledsatanic.

(23:21):
Um but the fact is they tookthey took an historical thing
that happened.
But and some people like myself,I can go to Salem and I can look
at it as an historical event.
And and I love history, so I canget interested in all different
kinds of things.
But the flip side of that isthere's a and there's plenty,

(23:43):
when you go there, you'll findout real quick.
There's a lot of young women anda lot of people who have taken
that story, and now they want tobe witches.
These women were accused ofbeing witches, which I'm gonna
doubt that they were, and mostof them did not plead guilty of
that fact, did not want to beaccused of such a thing.
Right, right.

(24:04):
But now you have these youngwomen who want to be witches.
And then it's again, it's like,okay, then but what does that
mean to you?
Does that mean you worshipwhatever it is in the realm of
witchcraft instead of worshipingGod?
Okay, you have a problem.
I would say, okay, that that'swhere that's where things get
skewed, is you have people thathave taken that and and build up

(24:30):
this image and this new cultureof whatever a witch is supposed
to be.
And if you take that on as like,yep, I'm not who I am, I'm a
witch.

SPEAKER_03 (24:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
And and then if that comes down to, well, that means
I don't worship God because I'ma witch, because that's not what
witches do, then you got aproblem.

SPEAKER_03 (24:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
But I think you could do that with I think you
could do that with anything.

SPEAKER_03 (24:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
I mean, so I mean, Halloween as you know, Halloween
comes from a lot of differentcultures.
It has German, you know, um,origin, it has Irish origin.
Um and actually one of the mainorigins of it was is they were
doing it to keep evil spiritsaway, is why they were
celebrating this becauseNovember 1st was All Saints Day.

SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
So they believed that all of the spirits would
walk the earth.
So by dressing in costume or orsome of the other, or lighting a
jack-lantern meant that we areprotecting ourselves from these
evil spirits because if we looklike them, they'll pass us by,
they'll leave us alone.
So that was like one of the mainum origins of the holiday.

(25:43):
It didn't have anything to dowith worshiping Satan.
Right.
But again, people have taken theholiday decided that, oh, this
is going to be the devil'sholiday.
When in historical record itisn't.
But it is, but for a certaingroup of people, they've been
able to, you know, build it intothat.

(26:04):
Um, and I think we do that witha lot of things.
We we do that with a lot ofthings that uh um have actually
happened or the actually uhcultures of different people,
and then we build it up intosomething that it really isn't.
Yes.
Um for me personally, yeah.
Um like with my Halloweendisplay, I don't do I don't

(26:26):
believe in doing anythingviolent.
Like you're not gonna find likegory and gore or uh severed
limbs, no axe murders.
No, yeah, nothing nothing, youknow, that I guess could be
based in some form of likebrutal reality of that kind of
thing.
I don't and you know, I've Bethand I were messaging back and

(26:48):
forth.
And when I was young, I I lovedthe horror movies.
You know, when I was little, Igrew up watching the old black
and whites with Baylor Legosiand Boris Karloff.
I loved those as a kid.
And yeah, and I started watchingother horror movies as I got
older.
And I'll I I think one to reallybring up would be like the Texas
Chainsaw Massacre.
I used to watch that every year,right?

(27:10):
But now as I've gotten older andI've gotten more spiritual, I'm
like, that's one that like Ican't watch it anymore.
I don't desire to watch itanymore because there's no
there's no redeeming quality init.
Yeah.
Like some horror movies, you'vegot the heroine who has to
defeat this evil, and she'll bethe only one left, and there's

(27:33):
at least a point to it, andshe'll be the last one standing,
and you know, she saves the dayor saves the kids or whatever
the storyline is, but at leastthere's like a redeeming
quality, like good always wins.
But a film like that, it's likethere's no like there's no
redeeming quality.
So to me, evil.
Yeah.
So to me, I'm like, I just don'tfeel like I should be watching

(27:54):
that anymore.
Like it's it's not doing my soulany good.
It's just one of those filmswhere if if I would watch now,
I'd I'd feel uncomfortable.
Like I don't desire to watch it.

SPEAKER_05 (28:04):
I watched those growing up when I was younger,
and I mean I don't have anydesire to watch them now.

SPEAKER_00 (28:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
One, I'm scared to death of the dark, so don't, you
know, I'm not gonna watchsomething that's gonna be
playing in my head.
Yeah.
But God is really like just evenon regular TV, Jarvey will have
something on, and I'm like, whatare you trash?
Are you watching?
He's like, Well, what's thematter with it?
It's just how they it's notnecessarily the foul language,

(28:35):
it's just subject matter.
Exactly.
And it just disgusts me.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:40):
And I haven't watched it, but I've seen plenty
of media on it.
So Netflix has been doing thatmonster series.
Oh.
And they just did Ed Geanrecently.
Which, if you know the historyof those murders and that story,
it's horrible.
Yes.
Like, but Netflix has feltcompelled to take the truth and

(29:00):
somehow make it even worse thanwhat actually happened.
Yes.
And which I think, even for EdGeen himself, I'm like, that's
just a tragedy.
Like, it was a tragedy what thatman's life had become for
whatever reason and the thingsthat he did.
That was tragedy enough.
But now they're taking his storyand they're not even telling the

(29:21):
truth.

SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
They're making it even they're romanticizing it.

SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Yeah.
And it's like, what kind ofpeople are we?
Yeah.
That we have to take thishorrible story instead of just
telling the truth, if that'swhat you want to do, and turning
it into this it's even worsethan you know than it was.

SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:38):
Which you think, how is this how is that even
possible?
Well, they figured it out.
They did it.
And millions of people arewatching it.
Yeah, not to mention and you gotfor entertainment, you gotta be
thinking, what is wrong with us?

SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
Well, and I think I've seen people talk about um
like looking at the actor inthat series versus looking up
the real pictures of Ed Geen,because and the actor is a
little more attractive, youknow, attractive and everything,
but everyone everyone said, Oh,you know, you'll be in for a
rude awakening when you look upthe real pictures of Ed Geen,
which I've seen pictures of himbefore anyway.

(30:12):
So I'm like, Why is this powerboy from Wisconsin?
Yeah, like they wereromanticizing the the figure
because they picked a goodlooking guy for it.
And I'm like, what is wrong withthis?
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
But there's things in that in that series that he
never even did.
That's what I'm saying.
Like he did these horriblethings, and they're like, you
know what?
The truth just isn't goodenough.

SPEAKER_02 (30:32):
Let's add more.

SPEAKER_00 (30:33):
As horrible as it is, let's have him do things
that he never even did, whichagain.
This might sound kind of crazy,but you're taking a guy's life
that was a tragedy for himself,and you guys have just made that
even worse.

SPEAKER_03 (30:48):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (30:49):
Like, you know.
And some people think, well, hedeserves that for what he did.
And I'm thinking, no, he didn't.
I I don't care what anybody'sdone.
Nobody deserves to like haveyour story then all of a sudden
be twisted into this even, youknow.

SPEAKER_05 (31:01):
What is wrong with those writers that they can even
come up with stuff that's worsethan that's where my mind goes.

SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
Yeah, it's like you guys are all like And all the
producers and editors that arefine with pushing it through,
you know.

SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
But they know it'll sell.
I was just gonna say they'relooking at the almighty dollar.
Yeah, yep.
And like I said, millions of usChristians will watch it because
just out of curiosity.

SPEAKER_05 (31:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
So what does that say about it?

SPEAKER_05 (31:26):
And I do watch murder mystery shows, but not
the guy.
Not the murder.
I'm watching like for those oftheir solving them.
Yes.
And that's what my husband willthrow at me.
He's like, what's a difference?
There is a difference.

(31:51):
She's just nasty.
The things that come out of thatwoman's mouth is nasty.
You know?

SPEAKER_00 (31:56):
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it, you know, the it's anargument.
And like I said, with Halloween,I I would because because I
celebrate, I know I celebrateit.
And and there's one other thingfor me personally, because you
know I do the Halloween displayand I do the Christmas display.
And I have seen and I feel likeI have done, I'm doing something

(32:17):
that the community really enjoysand appreciates.
And it w it was a couple weeksago, this car drove by, and
there was this kid, young, youngkid, and his grandpa, and they
were in the backseat, and thekid was on the grandpa's laugh,
and they both got their headsout the window.
And they're just supposedsmiling and have a good time.
And I'm thinking that's that'slove.
And those two are going to carrythat memory for the rest of

(32:39):
their life.
And that little kid is going tocarry that memory for the rest
of his life.
And I believe a lot of goodpeople and good Christians
starts with that kind of loveand those kind of memories.
Yeah.
Right.
You know, I I I truly believethat.
So when they're when they'regoing past looking at those
Halloween lights, they're not,they're not worshiping the
devil.
They're not thinking aboutanything evil.

(33:00):
They're they're they're off oftheir phones for a little bit,
they're enjoying time as afamily, and they're they're
gonna they're building memoriesthat they're gonna have because
most likely those same peoplewill come back every year.

SPEAKER_02 (33:11):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Because they want to experience that same
relationship that they have witheach other and spending time
together.
And and that's why I do it.
If I wouldn't do it otherwise.

SPEAKER_05 (33:21):
Have you ever seen the display in Janeton?
I I uh it's almost two blocks ora block long.
I I will not walk when because Ido go trick-or-treating with the
kids.
I I I struggle with it, I do,because I don't they don't
really feel right doing it.
Uh-huh.
But I also want to be I wantthat part of the enjoyment to

(33:43):
see them giggling and laughingand getting candy.
But that block in Janaton, Iwon't.
I'll go around the other way.
Well, probably because it'sgory.
It is horrible.
Yeah.
They have like 10 feet, 12 feetdevils.
I mean, you know, with the hornsand he's holding skulls with
blood dripping off of it.
It's it's it's just it's andthen when I said about, you

(34:05):
know, because there is peopleout there that are just having
fun times with their family, andthen there is your predators out
there.
Yeah, there's nasty, yeah.
There's nasty people out there.
Yeah, that's who I want mychildren protected.

SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Which we have to worry about in all things.

SPEAKER_05 (34:24):
And everything.
Not just not just on Halloweennight.
Yeah.
Whether you're going to the malland walking through the mall.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, there's justwhether you're walking they're
walking into the school anymore.
You know, you just we just haveto pray that hedge of protection
around our children.

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
All the time.

SPEAKER_05 (34:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
So um you know, I was thinking kind of being more
in we have to be in the world,but we don't have to be of the
world.
Exactly.
But you know, whenever thesethings do occur, because let's
be honest, how many what's thepercentage of kids that go
trigger treating from zero youknow, age zero to ten or

(35:05):
something?
Probably eighty, ninety percent.
There's probably most of them.
So it's like whenever Joe Schmoeasks Cooper, hey, you want to go
trigger treating, like, and youtell him no, you know, like what
kind and I shouldn't say you'renot being a good parent, but
it's like if you're just sayingno because oh well, there's so
much evil, evil to, you know,dress up as a fire truck or

(35:27):
something.
You know what I mean?
And like you can use that, youknow, you can use that time to,
you know, talk or like I Iwasn't thinking, I think it was
about a month ago, I saw theselittle Jesuses.
They're like little figures.
I'm like, oh, I'll pass thoseout with my candy this year.
And then like, wait a minute,I'm I plan on taking Cooper a
little bit this year.

(35:48):
So I'm like, I'm not going topass candy out, but I did get
those mini Jesuses intending topass those out.
You know, it's like becauseeveryone puts the little the
candy balls in, or you know,sometimes they get caram apples.
I'm like, I wanted to bedifferent in one way, and I'm
like, that would be a perfectway.
So it's like you can be creativeand use that, you know, as

(36:10):
bringing more light to the Idon't know, to the Halloween or
the Yeah, I know what you'retalking about.

SPEAKER_01 (36:17):
Christian life.

SPEAKER_05 (36:18):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (36:20):
Well that's my son just sent me a picture of he's
been working a week and a halfon Bennett's costume because he
wants to be the Titanic.
Oh god.
Is he putting like lights in ittoo?
Like, how is he got the smoke?
I'm not he does, and he has tohave and listen, you have to
have the right amount ofsmokestacks because I ordered

(36:41):
him a he is six.

SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
And he's oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (36:46):
Oh, obsessed with it.
Really?
And he will tell you everythingabout it, why it sank, how it
sank, and the boat that camethat it came too late to save
the people, what its name was,how many smokestacks are on that
boat.
How many, how old is he seven?
He'll be seven in March.

SPEAKER_02 (37:00):
I think Tripp was also seven.
Aunt Tanya, correct me if I'mwrong, but I think he was around
seven or eight whenever hestarted this crazy obsession
with the Titanic.
And like they went to, I thinkwhen they were in Gatlinburg,
they went to the um museum.
And Chase and I went there whenwe went a few years later.
And they now have one inCincinnati, I think.

(37:21):
Uh is it Kosei?
Is that what that's called?
The science museum.

SPEAKER_03 (37:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:27):
I think there's one there too.
It's like a replica, but thereit's something with kids in
Titanic.
I mean, I always loved the moviegrowing up, like I think it's
still my favorite movie.
I've never watched it, I'venever watched it either.

SPEAKER_00 (37:38):
I've never seen it all the way through, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (37:40):
It's so funny too, because you'll see those memes
of, you know, the there's Roseon the door, and then there's
Jack, and they're like, oh,well, there would have been
enough room.
But I can remember like askingmy dad, like, why didn't she
move?
Or why, you know, what and he'slike, Sid, it's just a movie.
I'm like, yeah, but it's it's atrue story.
He's like, it's based on a truestory.

(38:02):
And I'm like, ah.
When did that come out?
92 or three, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (38:07):
Because I for some reason I think I was at high
school.

SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
Was it later?
It was 96 or 7.

SPEAKER_05 (38:14):
Let me see.
It had to have been 97 or 98.
Okay.
Let's see.

SPEAKER_00 (38:20):
Well, at that time, it's like I did not like
Leonardo DiCaprio.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (38:25):
You're gonna have to Google 99.

SPEAKER_00 (38:27):
That was one of the main reasons I didn't watch it,
which I think is great now, butat the time of like, you know,
he was doing the Romeo andJuliet and Anakin and all that.
I'm like, Yeah.
So that's why I never watchedit.

SPEAKER_05 (38:36):
Um I th I was going through um my divorce at that
time, and I was not in a verygood mental health place.
And I just was and I thought Ican't watch anything else as
sad.
Yeah, I can't, I can't do it.
And now, you know, when it comesup, it just takes me back to
that spot, and I'm like, nope,not doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
I love watching them videos though when they go down
and they you know it.

SPEAKER_05 (39:02):
I had bought in these boats that the Titanic
actually sinks and it breakswhere it breaks in the middle.
And he tells you the reason itbreaks there and it sinks this
way and that way is because ofthe pressure of the water and
all this.
I mean, he tells you it all.
And he was, well, you know, thisisn't right, it doesn't have the
right amount of smoke stacks onit.

SPEAKER_03 (39:23):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (39:26):
Did you know there's a Lego set that they have now?
No, you should get him forChristmas.
I think it's expensive.
Like, I don't know howexpensive, but it is a lot of
pieces.

SPEAKER_05 (39:34):
So if he's in the Legos, well, he is, but it ends
up usually in a battle becausethings don't he Yeah, it things
have to be done perfectly inBen's world.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
Well, to be fair, in the in the Legos, most of the
time it has to be doneperfectly, or else it's not
gonna work.

unknown (39:51):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
So he gets frustrated easy with it.

SPEAKER_05 (39:54):
But yeah.
But yeah, it just he's beenworking on this costume for a
while.
But it's got the block.

SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Make sure you take pictures of that because I want
to see that.

SPEAKER_02 (40:03):
Yeah, well, he just sent me Well, that's the thing
though, you know.
I I can remember my sisterposted probably two and a half
three two and a half or threeyears ago in so Enoch's four.
So whenever she when he was likesix months, she made his
costume, like knitted it andeverything, and he was baby Yoda
from Star Wars, and she posted,like, I hope I I hope you all

(40:25):
you will always let me like makeyour Halloween costumes.
You know, like it's somethinglike it's you know, things that
is traditions that you knowshe's going to remember doing
that, and hopefully, I thinkshe's made a couple more, but
it's like you can definitelybring light to these types of
situations.

SPEAKER_05 (40:42):
I always make my kids, yeah.
And Clayton was so funny becausewhen we were in Florida and we
were talking about how we wereputting our heads together how
he was gonna make this Titanicthing.
He's like, Do you remember whenyou made that stuffed pizza
crust one for Sarah and she wonfirst place?
I said, Oh my gosh, I forgotabout that, you know.

(41:03):
I said, Give me some glue gunand a felt, and we had it all
figured out.
Because I think that's the yearthat pizza had come out with
that stuffed crust where the hadthe cheese.
Oh yes.

SPEAKER_02 (41:16):
Yeah.
Okay, so with everything beingsaid, do we think witchcraft is
real?

SPEAKER_00 (41:25):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
You don't?

SPEAKER_00 (41:26):
Evil's real.

SPEAKER_02 (41:27):
Evil.
Oh, I think witchcraft is alittle bit.

SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
I I'll agree with Roger.
I do think evil is real.
Uh-huh.
Um, going back to Ed Geen, mybecause you think, how is that
possible?
I I think one way or another,evil did slip in to that many.
Yeah.
So I I believe that true evildoes exist.
Now, is do but do I believewitchcraft as a practice can

(41:51):
actually do things?
I don't know.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (41:56):
I do.
I I believe maybe in the mindsof the people doing it.

SPEAKER_02 (41:59):
Because they now have opened that door for evil
to come in.
Yes.
And I I I I think that's whythere's so much speculation
about Christians being of howor, you know, just quote unquote
celebrating it or being involvedin it.
I think that they're because youhear people talking about Ouija
boards and just differentthings, and it's like, oh, you

(42:22):
know, how could they make thesestories up?
I do think it's real, but Ithink it's like you said, I
think it's evil spirits that arebeing brought in, you know.
Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
Yeah, I think it's and honestly, I think that's
another thing that it's likeit's well, well, you know, there
always is a question, you know,is is you know, is an exorcism
actually something that hasactually happened right.
Like that, you know, we've seenthe movies or heard heard
stories.

SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:54):
You know, uh has has there actually been a you know
legit case that exorcism wasrequired?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (43:02):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (43:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (43:03):
Well we've seen it.
We've seen Christ remove Tina.
The um where he Yeah, he calledout spirits.
He called out the spirits wherethe pain I can't think of where
the pin went into the swines.
So yes, I believe that there'sevil spirits that can possess a

(43:23):
person.
And do I think that I think whenwitchcraft and they start doing
this and doing that and doingthis, that they are just opening
up that door.
They're almost welcoming.

SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
Yeah, and they're hardening it toward God because
they're not practicing anythingof God.
They're they've actually decidedthat I'm going to practice this
almost as a living.
This is who I like I said, thisis who I'm going to identify as.
Yes.
Yeah, I I do believe that thatcan have that effect.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (43:55):
Yeah.
Um okay, what about what doesthe Bible say about Halloween?
Because like I don't know if itsays anything about it.
And it doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 (44:07):
Um, but I would say I think it goes back to there's
plenty in the Bible about notworshiping other idols,
worshiping other gods.

SPEAKER_03 (44:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:16):
So when you have people that celebrate Halloween
and they are in the process oftaking that holiday to worship
Satan or to work or forwitchcraft, whatever, it's like,
okay, you've you've decided thatyou're going to worship other
gods and other idols.

SPEAKER_02 (44:30):
Yeah, like it's not like the Ten Commandments that
it's like, all right, black andwhite, here it is, you know.
No Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 (44:35):
You can't do the There's nothing in the Bible
that Halloween is the devil'sholiday.
Yeah, yeah, like if he has aholiday.
It's like, no.

SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
Like I think if if everyone went into their index
or glossary like and tried tolook for Halloween, like I don't
think it would be there.

SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (44:50):
Evil spirits, you look there, yeah, that'll be
there, but Halloween, no.

SPEAKER_00 (44:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:54):
It wasn't even it wasn't even a thing, you know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:59):
Yeah.
And I think I think that's justI don't know.
I mean, for people just to say,well, you can't you can't do
Halloween or you know,and 'cause the Bible says, nah,
the Bible didn't say anythingabout it.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
It says Well, like I said, there's plenty of people
that Christians that will be,like I said, they'll go home
after church, they'll crack opena beer, and they'll sit down,
maybe light a cigarette,whatever, watch football, do
this, do that, and never thinkabout God after church at all.
What's it again?
That's like, okay, you'vedecided to do something that is

(45:32):
blocking your relationship withGod.
You you you've decided to putthis in its place.

SPEAKER_03 (45:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:40):
And we all and we're all guilty of it.
You know, that's you know, sowe're all guilty of doing that
in one form or another.
Um so the same person that wouldsay you can't do Halloween, they
might be that person that, youknow, drinks a six-pack and, you
know, uh watches football allday and never gives God another
thought until next Sunday beforebefore the big game.

(46:03):
Yeah.
So, you know, there's thatargument that um if we're I'm
gonna say if we're gonna pick onHalloween, I guess we've really
got to start picking onourselves about every day.
Because like I said, I see a lotof things that we do on a daily
basis as as sin, as we are notdoing what God would have us do.
Um, because we're filling ourlives with all these other

(46:24):
things.
I mean, the amount of time wespend on our cell phones
consuming all this other mediathat consumes I mean, you you
know all your time.
I actually like when I don'tspend as much time on my phone
because my phone will tell mehow much less time I spent the
week before on my phone.
And sometimes it's gratifying tobe like, oh, well, yeah, you

(46:46):
know.
Let's see how much more I saw myphone two hours last this week.

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:50):
But but that's the thing, is that you know, this
culture and this generation, thenext generation, we're spending
our time on social media.
So in a in a sense, that's it'snot, you know, it doesn't say in
the Bible, you know, don't be onyour cell phone all day.
But it does say, you know, don'tworship other idols, don't
displace me with other gods,don't displace me with with

(47:12):
other, you know, activities orthings of that nature.
So that's that's the reality ofit.

SPEAKER_03 (47:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:20):
So if you if you're we're we're all doing that.
Let's be honest.
We're we're all guilty of that.
Yeah.
Um but you know, as I said, whatare we supposed to do?
Like, should we all just decidethat we're gonna sit in a chair
and we're gonna wait on the Lordand not do anything else?

SPEAKER_03 (47:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (47:40):
Um so it's just tough.
Yeah, we we live in this world.
Yeah, and you can make theargument, like, yeah, a lot of
these activities that we do, itmakes us happy.
It fills our time, we spend, wedo it with family, we it fill,
you know, it fill it fills usup.
Um but does that mean that it'sright?
I don't know.
I mean, it's a tough question,as being human beings on this

(48:03):
earth and how we spend our time.

SPEAKER_03 (48:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
You know, it I think most of us, if if it was kept up
on a a board or a screen thatkept count of the hours that you
spent with the Lord and then thehours you spent doing everything
else, you you'd be appalled.
Like, I haven't spent any timewith the Lord this week.
But we're all guilty of it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:24):
We just are, and it don't matter if you go to church
Wednesdays, Sundays, Saturdays,you know, you're still guilty of
it.

unknown (48:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:32):
I mean, there's nobody that's not, I feel that's
not guilty of that in one formor another.

SPEAKER_03 (48:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
So I would just go back to say, and I think you did
have some other good questionsin that thing you sent me, which
I'd like you to address.
But for me, I would say thatwhatever you're doing, if you
feel that it's getting in theway of your relationship with
God, then it's not good for you.
Yeah.
Then you you have to evaluateyourself and say, That was my
biggest thing.

(48:58):
That's that's you know, you haveto look at yourself and say,
what are the things in my lifethat are really getting in the
way with my time with God?
And those are the things I thinkyou you need to change.
And yeah.
And for one person it might beHalloween.

SPEAKER_03 (49:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:11):
For another person, it might be football.

SPEAKER_03 (49:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:14):
Um well and whatever it might be drinking, it might
be alcoholism or you know,whatever it is, it's that's what
you have to look at.

SPEAKER_02 (49:22):
Yeah, and there is something in the New Testament
that says, like, if yourconscious like doesn't feel
right about something, thendon't do it.
So it's like if you don't feelright about you know, taking
your grandson trigger treating,don't do it because the Bible
says don't, you know, don't feedon that then if that if it's
making you feel bad, you know.
So I and I I think that'll beit'll kind of be personal to

(49:44):
everyone, like you were justsaying, you know, some of them
struggle with alcoholism, somepeople stru struggle with food,
some people struggle withpornography, you know, like
whatever it may be, you know,like Yeah, and but then if
you're the one that celebratesHalloween, the plane people
could say, Well, you're you'refeeding that to that person
that's struggling, so thereforeyou shouldn't do it, which again
is a valid argument.

SPEAKER_00 (50:06):
Yeah, but then we could be like, Okay, then we
can't have football no more,nobody can sell beer anymore,
all those they all got to go outof business.
Yep.
We got we gotta get away fromall of it because we're all
doing something that's probablyharming somebody spiritually.
Yeah.
Think about it.
We're we we're all ability ofdoing things every single day
that harm people's spirituality,even if we have no intention of

(50:27):
doing it.
Yeah, it's not why we're doingit, but the fact of the matter
is it it it just is.

SPEAKER_05 (50:32):
Yeah.
I think the big thing for me isit does not feel right with me.
Yeah.
That's exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 (50:38):
And why would you try to like push your limits if
you don't feel comfortable, youknow?
But yet I I want that time withmy grandchildren.

SPEAKER_05 (50:46):
And my grandchildren usually like they're they're not
going as that's what I was justabout to say.
They're not going as they'regoing as Titanic, this and that.
Yeah.
My daughter can come up withsome that's just out there a
little bit, but you just gottaknow her.

SPEAKER_00 (51:00):
You know, and um, my uh my mom's brother's wife, she
did not believe in Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_03 (51:08):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (51:09):
So when we were kids, you know, and they had
kids, we were some of us werearound the same age.
They didn't get a Santa Clausbecause that was a lie.
That was something that was madeup, that was not of the word.
Um, so they were not allowed tohave Santa Claus.
And then so us as kids, we wouldhave when they came over for
Christmas, we were not allowedto talk about what Santa brought

(51:32):
us for Christmas.
Which to us kids was like, It'scrazy.

SPEAKER_02 (51:35):
You're killing me.

SPEAKER_00 (51:36):
Like, how can you as a kid not like be excited?

SPEAKER_02 (51:38):
Be excited and asked what did you get.

SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
But that was the reality of it for her, she felt
for her and her family.
Like she was lying to her kidsby saying there's a Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_02 (51:49):
And that's that's coming, that's getting big
again.
Like people are now doing thatagain.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:53):
And but if you think about it, it's it's no different
than what we're talking about.
It's like, you know what?
It is a lie.
If you think about it, it isit's a story we've made up to
make children feel good or tomake children behave.
And of course, Coca-Cola isactually the one that came up
with the traditional Santa tosell more Coca-Cola in the
wintertime, the sales would godown.

(52:14):
That's why he's red and whiteand the way that he looks, the
way that we know him.
Um, of course, that story cameout of history, but they
borrowed that, took a littlebit, and mixed it up, and of
course, we have the Santa Clausthat we all know and love.

SPEAKER_05 (52:27):
Um I think the theory behind that is if you
teach your children that Santabrings you this stuff, and then
they find out there's not, youhave been teaching them to
believe in something that theycan't see because it comes at
night or whatever.
So, how how do you want them tohow are you gonna make them
understand that God is real?
Yeah, when they can't see it.
When they can't see it whenyou've already built this lie

(52:48):
upon them.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (52:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (52:52):
Yeah.
Valid point.

SPEAKER_00 (52:53):
But again, you don't go tell your eight-year-old
child that, oh, we were justfooling you.
Santa Claus isn't real.

SPEAKER_02 (52:59):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
You don't break a kid's heart at eight years old.
Most kids figure it out like wedid.
We just we grew out of it.

SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
Not me.
My dad broke my heart.
I'm not lying when I say that.
He broke my heart.
But but there was a valid pointto that.
He didn't I and I think I wasnine or ten, you know, in third
grade, fourth grade, thirdgrade.
But he was like, I just didn'twant and if I'm not mistaken, I
do believe my grandpa told himwhen he was like four or five.

(53:30):
Like I think Don was five and hewas four.
Um, but his reason behindtelling me was like I just
didn't want you to start likebecause there at that point
there are kids that are startingto not believe, and you know, we
should probably um what am Ithinking?
Um topic, what am topic I'mtrying to think of uh trending

(53:57):
top like if you've got kidslistening right now, maybe tone
it down for like two minutes.
But you know, he was telling umme, like, I just wanted to let
you know, like that way I didn'twant you to be the outcast at
school and people to start makefun of, you know, because there
wasn't I wasn't, you know, Iwasn't really it was I was

(54:18):
normal about everything, like Iwasn't thinking, hey Santa's
gonna come in two hours, likeyou know, on Santa Claus
whenever they're you know, thatwhole thing.
And um, it wasn't anything likethat, but he was like, I just
didn't want you to be 14 andstill think that, you know what
I mean?
Because then there would be anissue, you know.
I'm like, Yeah, I can kind ofsee that, you know.
But that was kind of the wholepoint on, you know, on that.

SPEAKER_00 (54:38):
I mean, I never knew a kid that came crying and my
parents just told me, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:44):
And I should say, they told me, don't you tell
your friends, like, don't youruin this for your friends?
You know, that's their that'stheir parents' responsibility or
their you know decision to tellthem or not to tell them, but
don't you dare tell them.
You know, don't ruin them.

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
I think honestly, it did it was like, are we still
getting presents?
Okay, cool.
That's no big deal.

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
But you you can't be taking this away from me now.
You already took the quoteunquote truth away.
Like you can't take this awaytoo.

SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
I don't care who brings them.
Tooth fairy can bring them forall I care, which is you know,
make sure they're here December25th.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
Uh okay, so another question that Jenny had was
should Christians be usingscripture for making people feel
bad about their decision ondoing Halloween?
Or should it be kind of moreuplifting?

SPEAKER_00 (55:35):
Christians shouldn't be doing that about anything.

SPEAKER_02 (55:37):
No, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
Yeah, point blank.
And I would think that if you dothat, you're you're gonna do it
with other things too.

SPEAKER_02 (55:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (55:44):
If you're gonna use that as a weapon, well, most
likely you're gonna usescripture for other weapons.

SPEAKER_02 (55:49):
Oh weapon for other things.

SPEAKER_00 (55:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not healthy.
Uh no Christian should be usingthe word to belittle people.
Yeah.
And to making people feel bad.
But I think some people yes,there's conviction.
Yeah.
We all know that.
But I don't think that's I don'tthink that's a form of
conviction.
I don't know.

(56:11):
Maybe you guys can argue thatcase, but well, that was my next
question.

SPEAKER_02 (56:14):
Is Halloween a personal conviction?

SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
I don't look at it any different as I guess as I do
the traditional Christmas.
Like we all can't wait tillNovember 1st so we can start
listening to Christmas music.
That's our house.
Yeah.
Like we can't wait at thispoint, we can't wait for
Halloween to be over.
So it's appropriate to listen toBing Crosby.

SPEAKER_03 (56:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:39):
Yeah.
Right, yeah.
At least Roger's looking at melike, are you nuts?
But that's that's how we were.
We love Christmas music, so wecan't wait.
But uh, yeah, I I don't thinkfor so it's no, I don't I don't
think any for me, that's again,for me personally, no, it is not
a personal conviction.
Christmas is not, I mean,Christmas as it's supposed to be

(57:01):
is a personal conviction, butSanta Claus and um the American
holiday as we've created it isnot a personal conviction for
me.

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
Now, as far like you know, like what Beth just
brought up, like say you go tobe you know, you'd be passing
that house that was all gory andbloody and gruesome, like would
you feel convict like convictionthen?

SPEAKER_00 (57:19):
Well, I would feel I know that's not what I do, uh
huh.
And I know why I don't do that.
Yes.
So, yes, in a sense, I wouldfeel like okay, you know,
because again, that's not that'snot traditional Halloween in any
way.
That's not like so again,something has been taken and

(57:41):
it's been taken to this level ofoh now it means mass murder.

SPEAKER_03 (57:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:45):
And you know, we got all these, you know, like like
she's saying that display.
It's like uh yeah, I I would Iprobably wouldn't take my kids
past that house.

SPEAKER_05 (57:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (57:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (57:56):
But that devil thing that they have is horrifying.

SPEAKER_00 (58:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (58:02):
I mean, it looks just like the pictures that you
would see.
We don't know what Satan lookslike, but what the world tends
to think it looks like.

SPEAKER_00 (58:10):
Yeah, it it's yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (58:11):
It's it's it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 (58:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So no, I I wouldn't, you know,I'd be like, okay, kids, we're
probably gonna skip that house.

SPEAKER_05 (58:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:18):
That's just a little too much.

SPEAKER_05 (58:20):
I mean, and then it's a whole block almost.
I mean.
And then they give out then theythey're making cotton candy and
all the good stuff that everykid wants to go to.

SPEAKER_00 (58:34):
I mean, I've got the Charlie Brown gang in my yard,
I've got Stu Scooby-Doo in myyard, I've got Count Chocula,
Boo Berry, and Frankenberry inmy yard.
I've got things like that.
Like things that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (58:45):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
And I, you know, and yeah, I've got some witches,
I've got a Grim Reaper, I've gotJack-o'-lanterns, I've got like
the classic kind of Halloween,you know, what we know it to be.
But no.

SPEAKER_05 (58:57):
But your Grim Reaper's not holding the head.
No, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (59:00):
No, no.
He's like, he's like the one onuh Christmas Carol, kind of.
Kind of what you think of whenyou think of the ghost of yet uh
what is it?
Yet to come.
Yeah.
Um so yeah, I I would I I'llagree.
I if if something would be toogory and stuff like that, I'd be

(59:21):
like, nah, that's not yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (59:24):
But when you were talking about the Bible verses
or people using the Bible, I Idon't know that that always is
done to make a person feelguilty.
I I think some people are led tobe teachers and leaders, and
they feel that it is their jobor their responsibility.
So they can't be very passionateabout it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's all in how that otherperson maybe interprets it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:47):
Well, I believe how they interpret it and then also
how the person portrays it tothem too, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (59:54):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (59:56):
I mean you can't come at somebody and try to
share them.
You can't just tell them they'regonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:59):
Well, the Bible says, yeah, you know, yeah.
I think you have to be cautiouswith every, you know,
everything, especially whenyou're talking to a non-believer
or someone that's hard to havethings.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:13):
I had this lady, I was up on my roof fixing some
things, and this lady drove byand she saw me up there, and she
rolled the window down, and shehad this really thick, like,
southern accent, you know,really cool.
And she's like, I just I justlove your display.
It just gives me so much joy.
I just love coming by in hereand looking at the light.
She's like, now I don'tcelebrate Halloween, like I

(01:00:33):
don't believe in it, and with myreligious beliefs, you know, but
I still.
Really just enjoy coming byhere.
She's like, and you do such afantastic job, and the community
loves it so much.
And I thought, okay, right thereis a pretty um balanced
religious person.
Like even her, she doesn'tcelebrate Halloween, she doesn't

(01:00:55):
believe in it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:56):
But she saw the good in it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:58):
She saw what I was doing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:00):
And she's heard from other people how much they enjoy
it.
And even something in her lovesto come by and just look at the
life.
Yeah.
She gets some kind of joy out ofit.
I want to come see.
I feel like I'm doing I'm doingI want to say I'm doing the
right thing, but I do feel likeI'm doing something good for the
community that brings peopletogether, makes them feel better

(01:01:21):
for a few minutes or you know,whatever time they spent doing
it.
And I think, okay, you know,I'm, you know, I've never had
anybody drive past my house andyou know, start, you know,
preaching to me about how it's,you know, uh what I've had
displayed is an abominable Godor I'm doing something wrong.
So not that it might it mighthappen someday, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:42):
But just when she said that to me, and I've never
seen her before, talk to herbefore, I was just like, oh,
okay.
Yeah.
You know, she's yeah.
What else you got?
Any more?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:57):
No, I just wanted to end with I really wanted Michael
to be on this one because I feellike he's got a lot to say, you
know, as far as this um topic.
And I think that's why I thoughtwe had a full podcast about it
because we we talked about, youknow, it was brought up a lot, I
feel.
But he did, I didn't even texthim or anything.

(01:02:17):
He sent me a, I don't know, Ithink it was a two-minute click
up clip of someone kind oftalking about this specific, you
know, um topic.
And um this guy was talkingabout the passage in First
Corinthians eight.
Um, so it was like a group ofpagans or previous pagans that
were converted to Christians,and they were saying, Hey, you

(01:02:40):
know, there's some I'm justparaphrasing this, but there's
some meat over at the marketthat typically we would have to
buy for the idols, you know, thethe gods that we used to
worship, like can, you know, canwe buy that now?
You know, and he's likebasically says, Well, you're you
know, you're not using it forthat idol anymore.

(01:03:01):
So yeah, yeah, you enjoy the,you know, enjoy the meat, you
know, like and that was kind oflike you could almost base it on
Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:10):
Like you're not well if you're a person that's using
Halloween to worship the devil,guess what?
You're using other stuff too.
Exactly.
I'm using whatever's handy,whatever you can do to advance
that cause for whatever youthink it is and what it's gonna
do for your life, which could bea whole topic in itself.
Um, you know, I I've said manytimes, you know, I see somebody
driving their car and they got abumper stick it, like they've

(01:03:31):
already got their ticket tohell.
I'm like, what?
Like, how could you put that onyour car?
Like for everybody to see, likeyou've already reserved your
ticket in hell.
Yep.
I actually saw that bumpersticker and I thought, what?
Like, what what is the like Idon't know, but you know, like
again, that could be a wholeother topic.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:50):
What did you say?
What do you think the topiccould be?
Because I'll write it down.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:54):
Um, you have these people that have this, I guess
this idea of what hell's gonnabe like.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:02):
Like you know, we're we're idolizing hell, really.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:06):
Yeah, they're idolizing hell, and it's this
place that they've created intheir mind that somehow they
think is gonna work out to theiradvantage.
Like they can't wait to getthere.
Um Party Central.
Yeah, and or it's just like it'sit's doing something positive in
their life or advancing themforward, and I don't you know,
yeah, it just just seems likethey bought a ticket to Cedar

(01:04:28):
Point, or you know, and theydon't really they don't really
see they don't know what they'reactually saying.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:35):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:36):
Because well let's face it, i if you don't know
Jesus, then most likely youdon't know hell.
Like you think you do.
Because because again, what theworld has made hell is and
that's not what it is.
Nope.
So there's a lot of peoplewalking around in the world
thinking hell is this coolplace.
Like, I don't care if we all goto hell as long as it's gonna be

(01:04:58):
a party.
No, yeah, that's not what it'sgonna be.
I'm I don't care what ACDC toldyou.
Cooper, if you're listening.
That's not what it's gonna be.
So it's just uh yeah.
I don't know how you could wordthat in an actual topic in a few
words, but uh work on that.
I see what you mean though.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean it's it's just uh it'sit's crazy what some people will

(01:05:23):
pronounce in the name of hell.
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:28):
And eternity, like that's your eternity.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:30):
Yeah, that's your that's you're like you're
flirting you're flirting withthat, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
You're like oh no, nope.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:37):
So well, that was good.
I was excited for that.
That was fun.
And I'm not a big like Halloweenperson either.
I I have gotten a little moreinto it now with Cooper.
With the I also feel like thelights have there always been as
many lights and like blow upthings, or am I just now

(01:05:57):
realizing it because he enjoysthem?
You're just noticing them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I was thinking.

unknown (01:06:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:02):
It's I mean, it's it's seems like it gets, you
know, between Lowe's and HomeDepot.
And every year that's it's youknow bigger and better.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:11):
And just take your checkbook when you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:13):
Yeah, yeah.
But that's saying Christmas.
I mean, they started releasingHalloween in early August.
And of course, everybody alreadyeverybody already has their
Christmas stuff up, and we'vealready bought stuff for
Christmas.
Promised ourselves we wouldn'tdo it.
Now we got all this stuff, andI'm like, how in the world now?
I'm like, I'm gonna have tostart Oh yeah.

(01:06:35):
I already told her, I'm like, Iusually have it lit by
Thanksgiving evening.
I don't I don't even think I'mshooting for that.
I think I'll just go withDecember 1st because that's just
too much pressure.
I got too much to do.
Yeah.
It's just yeah, it's just gonebeyond discussion.
Well, what one person can handleand see I'm really itching to
start decorating for Christmas.

(01:06:56):
Yeah, we all that's what I said.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:57):
We're all just waiting for Halloween to be over
so we can listen to Christmasmusic and get you know and start
decorating and you know, buteven up until a few years ago, I
would always try to wait untilThanksgiving was over just
because I'm like, poorThanksgiving.
Yeah, I don't want to forgetabout you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:12):
I'm like, I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:14):
We try that, but it doesn't work.
That's the way it was at myhouse as a kid.
Yeah, you didn't yeah, youdidn't even do anything with
Christmas until the day afterThanksgiving.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:23):
That's when we did it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Same.
To me, it's just like Ohio is sodreary and gross, literally from
October to like May.
Like, why not brighten it up alittle bit with some fun things
with Halloween and you knowChristmas and we can do to light
it up?
Yeah.
I mean, it's gonna what?

(01:07:43):
That this Sunday will be thetime change.
So at 5, 5:30, it's gonna getdark.
Like lights out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:50):
Is it the Sunday?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:51):
I thought it was we got check, we got a text from
church.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:58):
Did your phone work?
Yeah, my phone works.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:00):
We're actually lucky.
They used to do it beforeHalloween, remember?
Yeah.
Because we were kids, we weretrick-or-treating the whole time
in the dark.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:06):
Yeah, this is I think they said this is the
latest one of the year so far.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:10):
We're getting more.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:12):
I can remember taking Sarah and Clayton
trick-or-treating when they werelittle and it was snowing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:16):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, we're getting moredaylight now than we ever have,
but um, but still, it's a longsix months in Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:24):
I hate time changing.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:27):
And I know it's only four months, but winter just
seems to last six months here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:31):
It does.
It's it's from October to April.
Like, and this October hasn'tbeen bad, you know, because it
was it was very warm and dry,but it's like dreary and yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:42):
Yeah.
Now, so we fell back.
We get an extra hour.
Yes.
Oh well, I'll be in church.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:50):
We'll still be late.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:51):
Yeah, we'll still all be walking in five after.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:55):
Yeah.
All right.
Whose turn is it to pray?
Do we remember?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:00):
I had the privilege of doing the last one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:02):
Oh, did you?
Did you?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's on you, Roger.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:06):
Bye.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:10):
Oh, I hit the wrong button.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I knew it.
There.
Heavenly Father, we do thankyou, Lord, for this day.
Lord, we just ask you to stickand be with each person that's
that's heard this podcast, Lord.
Let them let their minds andsouls think about what they want
to do for Halloween.
How they how they view it, Lord.

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Lord, we just thank you for thisopportunity to come together,
Lord.
We just we we enjoy each other'scompany, Lord, and we enjoy
talking about you.
We these these subjects that wetalk about, Lord, they're
they're everyday lives.
The things that happen everyevery day.
And we just thank you for thisprivilege, Lord, of bringing
them to the to the masses, Lord.

(01:09:54):
And Lord, we just ask you totake him be with be with the
pastor and his family as they goon vacation, Lord.
Um give him safe travels, allowthem to have a good time, a
relaxation time, and arecharging time, Lord, so that
they can continue to praise youand bring your word to the
masses of this church, Lord.
We just thank you for them.

(01:10:15):
Lord, we just ask us all inJesus' most precious name.
Amen.