He Said, She Said- GOSSIP

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
there now we're on now we're on.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
That's better on there, okay.
Well, it sounds better for you.
It does sound better for me.
It feels better for me.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well, that's good I'm glad, I'm glad yeah, are you
comfortable?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I am comfortable.
Actually I'm not comfortable,but it's a whole well, you take
your shoes off no it's not thatyou don't want me to take my
shoes off oh okay, well listenso somebody got me started on
those foot detox things,courtney.
Yes, so the actual like baththing.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
So I okay, I'll explain it, because Nick's
looking at me like I've got sixheads.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
So it is basically.
It's a.
Have you ever seen those likeused to buy them in?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
all the Pedicures yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You put your foot in the little basket and it would
vibrate and like massage yourfeet.
So it's not like a bath, no,okay.
So it's very similar to that.
It's just like a little, almostlike a little bucket type thing
and you have this uh metalthing you put in there and it's
supposed to draw the metals outof your body and toxins and
things like that.
So courtney brought it over tomy house one time.

(01:02):
I used it, fell in, fell inlove with it.
I didn't think I would.
I was like this isn't reallydoing anything.
The water stinks, it's likeit's nasty color.
Like it's like this reddishorange color depending on what
depending?
On what toxins are in the airExactly.
So I asked her if I could usehers again and she's like, yeah,
Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
And I was like I can't wait till Saturday.
So I just got on Amazon andordered one for myself.
So I use it two, three times aweek.
And the other day I was likeyou know what?
I haven't done a foot peel in awhile, so let's peel my feet
too.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Are you more high maintenance than your wife?
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
My wife hasn't had her hair cut in probably two
years.
I get mine cut once a month.
Guaranteed now, mind you, toget her haircut is 150.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Mine is 30, but that is like that's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
100 well, not for hers, because hers is um, hers
is curly, so she has curly hair,so they have to.
Usually they either straightenit or they.
If they don't often cut itcurly, usually they straighten
it, so you've got thestraightening, all of the
product for the straightening,then the cut, then the style and
yeah, so it's.
It can be quite expensive, butI get mine cut every month, so,

(02:15):
a matter of fact, I got onetoday yeah, looks good, nice and
fresh fresh cut.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Who this?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
fresh cut.
Who this Fresh cut?
Who this?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So, but why were you talking about that?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the foot peel.
So you don't want me to take myshoes off, because if I take my
shoes off, like there's footflakes everywhere.
It is disgusting.
My kids won't even come closeto me right now.
I wouldn't either.
You're probably happy.
Yeah, oh yeah, you just leaveme alone.
But seriously, I take my socksoff and like the flakes fall out
of my sock when I'm pulling itoff.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
There's just it's, and I can peel off pieces of
skin like it, just you don'tkeep the peel on, do you Like?
Keep it on, do you what?
The peel, the peel.
Didn't you say that you put apeel on your feet?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, I put the.
It's like a little sock thatyou put on yes, and it's like
moisturized yeah and so you takeit off and about four to five
days later your feet start topeel.
So all of like the first layerof skin, all the dead stuff,
it'll start to come off and itsoftens your feet.
So you know we're at about.
Day five, right now Day five orsix and it is nasty and they say
it helps them to heal faster ifyou soak them and so I'm I love

(03:24):
to like use that foot bath sohot water as hot as I can get it
like I want it to feel likehellfire and I will I'm serious,
I want hot water and I'll sitmy feet in there and just and
then like when you take them out, like you can just peel off
pieces of that skin just becauseit's so, it's all like yeah,
yeah, buddy now the stuff thatyou put in the bath, the foot

(03:47):
bath do.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Did you get it on Amazon or did you get it
somewhere local?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I got it on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, Because I know the one place sells it locally
but it's kind of expensive.
Do you know where I'm talkingabout?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Command Wellness, I think.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I only did one, the.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Radiant does the foot um baths.
But I've never done that before, I've never gone to one.
I've never done like courtneydid the first one and I'm
telling you the smell I cannotdescribe to you.
So the first time I did it itdidn't really smell.
I didn't feel like it was likestinky or anything like that.
I the second one that I did, Iwas sitting in the chair with my

(04:24):
feet in the back and I'm likethis smell is so bad it was
gross.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Maybe get a doggy door so you can stick your feet
out, put it outside there you goyeah

Speaker 4 (04:36):
this summer, this summer I'll have to use it
outside I'm not bragging, butI've I been blessed with.
For a 45-year-old man, I havevery nice feet.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So do I.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I've never had foot odor.
I have really nice toenails,you guys, so now I've just been
blessed with it.
Even so, I had a woman inNashville one time when we were
on vacation.
We were at a hotel and shecommented she wanted your feet.
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I am the same, other than my toe knuckles are really
hairy for whatever reason.
But oh, also I saw like thismetal.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Why are?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
you peeling them because it's.
It's like there's some weirdcomfort.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
You see them ones like where people are like we're
like oh yeah, no, no, no, minearen't like yeah it's not like
zesting a lemon neither.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, mine aren't that bad.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, and my feet mine my feet are really soft for the
most part, but it's that like I,I like get that first layer off
and then soak them in that thatfoot bath, and oh man, I'm
telling you, there's justsomething about it.
It's just something about it Ican't see anyone I love yeah, I
know that one's weird.
I love a good pedicure too.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah I love a good pedicure too.
Oh yeah, I love a good pedicure.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
But, I don't often get to do that, so my wife hates
them.
She thinks they're disgusting.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think they just tickle and then I'm like I can't
even enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, I don't have that problem.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
I've had two and I did enjoy them.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I didn't think that particularly either, but well,
yeah, but the little korean ladythat's doing it, I'm like she
doesn't like you have boyfriend?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
yeah, you don't have boyfriend so, yeah, usually you
come out feeling like you'rewalking on air that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Things, yeah, yeah, they're nice.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It is true, that's the kind of stuff that they ask
you yeah, and then they startspeaking like to one another in
china oh yeah, and you knowthey're talking about you, you
know they're talking about.
You're like I'm paying 75 forthis they're talking about your
nasty feet.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
That's what they're doing did you see her toenails,
yeah I have my dad's feet and ohno, it's just like it's not
cute uh, I just recently saw umthat they make a thing called a
knuckle shaver and it's a pieceof metal that's sharp, so it
looks like the end of a toenailclipper, so you know how it's
like kind of rounded and you'relike you're supposed to drag it

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across your knuckle and it'lllike take why that just seems
dangerous, like the guy'sholding it and he uses it and he
cuts through a piece of paper.
Uh, no, thanks.
The last time I did that Iended up with this awesome cut
on my wrist right there.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
So you know everything that has hair.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's there for a reason exactly, exactly when you
think about your ears, yournose, your oh those hairs are
there for that was a funny one,I so when I got my haircut today
he always like shaves the backof my ear and, you know, puts
the little thing inside of me.
It just uses his regular thing.
And he said he did that to aguy one time and the guy popped
up out of the chair.
He was so mad at him.
I don't have hair in my ears,I'm like dude, mine looks like a

(07:37):
strawberry patch.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
I took a picture of my dad on vacation.
I said we need to do somethingabout this.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Hey, tell him I got one of those waxing kits.
We'll stick them in there andjust pop them out.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I've done that with my nose before.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh, I do it all the time and it broke Like the girl
was like well.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I've never had it break before, but I was also
pregnant and like I had morehair than usual.
Like how embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Alright, so.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Now that we Know all about your feet.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Is there any other weird high maintenance stuff
that I do Not really?
I don't think so, you don'tthink so, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
What do you think is?
You know, you've got onestirring in your brain.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
What.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
About him.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Gossip gossip.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
No comment, I don't think I have anything.
I think that's it.
I don't know if it's reallygossip, if you're saying it
right in front of me, yeahdefinitely.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I don't think that's gossip, that's just being mean,
yes, and that's not my nature.
Okay, roger.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, not being mean being straightforward to a
friend who needs it.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Being direct iron sharpens iron.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
If I tell you your toes are hairy and gross, don't
show them to me then as my momused to say, she'd be like
somebody that loves them needsto tell them that's a good point
, that's a good point yeah, thatis good point.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Hey, so don't tell my wife, but I am on MacBit again.
What are you buying now?
Well, I'm trying to buy thelast piece of pipe for a pipe
and drape, the horizontal piecefor a pipe and drape.
It's right now at $2.
How many pieces?
It's just one, it's just theone bar that goes straight
across.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Just one.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah Well, I already bought the second one, so we
needed two more.
I already bought one, so nowI'm just trying to get the other
one.
That's how it starts.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Trust me I know, Kind of like buying purses.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Do they have purses on Mac babe?
I'm sure they probably do, butI won't tell Beth that.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm sure I just got shutters on there.
Shutters, mm-hmm, I spraypainted them the other day, mm
yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Metal or wood.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Neither.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Plastic.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, oh, vinyl Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, apparently, roger has passionate feelings
about vinyl shutters Artificial.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I did really want to do the wood, but then I was like
, well then, I'm going to haveto stain them every few years.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Well, yeah, that's true, I really like that?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Alright.
Well, I'll give you that.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I try to think smarter, not harder.
Doesn't always work.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Did you guys see Vicky Hickey's yellow sweater on
Sunday?
Isn't that the ugliest sweateryou've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was in the nursery.
I was just trying to get usinto the topic.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I was just trying to get us into the topic.
I would ask Pastor Roger abouthis vision before we got into
the topic.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh okay.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
What vision, everything good.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
He was thinking like a spiritual vision.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, I was going to say he didn't know he had a
vision.
Well, I still don't.
I heard he had a vision.
I still don't.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I heard you had a vision.
We've been on for 10 minutesand it has gone off the rails
already, if you're still here.
Thank, you If you're stilllistening.
We appreciate you gettingthrough the banter.
He can see out of one eye butnot the other eye.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
And not very well.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
And he needs to wear an eye patch on the bad eyes,
but then he doesn't want to looklike a pirate.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I could have told you that was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Because of my grandma .

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It happened with her, but I didn't realize that you
were getting the same procedure,not the grandma.
You know my other grandma whodied.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
You need to go buy those sweaters for Vicky.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yes, grandma who died , you need to find those
sweaters for vicky.
Whoever's buying those sweatersjust needs to.
Oh, poor vicky.
So I was you know, that did youknow that all mr rogers
sweaters his mom knitted them.
I did for him every christmas.
Everybody in the family would.
She would knit them a sweater,a piece of clothing, something.
That's how he got all thosedifferent sweaters.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Blew my mind.
It's fascinating.
Yeah, that is fascinating.
Some more useless information.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, hey, it's what we're known for.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
It is what we're known for.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Does anyone else know Daniel the Tiger?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yes, you do.
Yes, did you know?
That's Mr Rogers?
Because they're in theneighborhood.
They're in the neighborhoodthat they go to on the train
where the king lives, thetrolley.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, the trolley.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
So that's like Daniel Tiger is based on that.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I'm so lost.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Everybody that's listening is lost.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Our demographic right now is just like ping pong.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
We've covered a gamut of things in under 10 minutes,
so it has been, and none of themis worth anything.
It has been an interestingepisode and that's how seinfeld
got big.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Oh yeah, talked about nothing, yep.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
A show about nothing.
Literally none of the episodeswere connected in any way.
I'm told that in every episodeof seinfeld that there is a
superman reference some waysomehow.
Sometimes it's an actualSuperman action figure or
sticker or whatever.
You'll spot Superman in one ofthe scenes or there's a Superman
reference.
They'll reference a character.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of Superman, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
And I think it's the very first episode when you
watch it there's a Supermanaction figure standing on
Jerry's bookshelf in thebackground.
So that was the very firstepisode when you watch it
there's a Superman action figurestanding on Jerry's bookshelf
in the background.
So like that was the start ofit and every episode had a
Superman.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, he's got like a magnet on his fridge and I
think he's got like a drawingthat some kid made for him.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You can see in the background, yeah, I'm going to
have to pay closer attention.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I have tried but because they're not all like
obvious Superman references.
They like I don't know thecharacters from the movies.
You would have to like reallyknow.
Yeah, let's ask.
Chat GPT.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
I don't pay attention when I watch TV, so the TV's on
, but I'm charting or doingsomething else, so I'm not
really paying attention.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
You just like the extra noise.
The noise.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
The kids will say you've seen that and I'll be
like, no, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I might have heard it but not seen it.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
And then there'll be a scene.
I've seen this.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I watched the whole show one time without realizing
that I'd watched it already.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Now you and your dad watch a show together every week
.
Oh, we have to watch Survivor.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh I can't do that.
My dad has watched that showsince it started.
My son watched it.
So everybody watches it,everybody talks about it.
So it plays every Wednesdaynight and if I don't watch it, I
have to catch up because it'staped or recorded so I can watch
it.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
But it's cute, don't you guys do a live talk on the
phone while you're watching ittogether.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Who do you?

Speaker 5 (14:21):
think is going to get voted off?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't know because I don't know any of their names
when alissa's mom was alive,they used to facetime each other
every morning her, her sisterand her mom.
They would facetime each otherevery morning.
She would just prop the phoneup on the counter while she was
in the kitchen making kidsbreakfast or whatever, and they
would just talk and likewhatever television show they
were all watching or whatever.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm like you guys are bizarre so mal and her friends
do that now kind of, but it's,they don't, it's not live, like
she'll send a video of hertalking for like three minutes,
yeah, and then they'll send oneback to her, but like as she's
getting ready or, you know,making breakfast or something.
They're not texting, it's justrecord and talk, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, marco Polo was a big app for that back in kind
of handy, so I lied to you.
It is.
That is a myth, and the mythexists because of Jerry
Seinfeld's known love ofSuperman.
It's frequent but not universal.
So it is frequent, but not inevery episode.
So there you go, I lied, Iapologize.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
You and I talk about it every morning.
You're waiting for your littlefriend to go to school Bowel
movements.
I'll say wait a minute, I'vegot to blow dry my hair, Except
when I was on vacation.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
She took a vacation from me too.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Get her all worked up .

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It was stressful.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
That sounds like sarcasm.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
It wasn't intentional .
I said to her I can't talkright now.
What's up?
That meant she could text mebut she never did.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I do not like to text .

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, just do voice to text.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, I've seen some of that stuff.
I was going to say Some of thatstuff, Do you oh?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
boy, it really gets.
I know that you will rememberthis.
You may remember this.
I don't know if you would havebeen around at this time.
So at one point we had acongregant in the church who was
deaf.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
And.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Florence had they had a program in the computer that
when she would preach it wouldgo right into the computer and
then it would put it up on thescreen behind her into like
Microsoft Word.
So it would just like dictateher voice.
It was terrible.
It would put up swear words.
It was bad.
And she would say, likeeverybody would start to giggle

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She'd be like don't payattention to the words behind me
and keep going.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
It was rough.
It was rough.
Every time I text tomorrow onmy phone, it automatically puts
Tom Fullery.
Why I've never used that once.
Put that into a sentence.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, my name's Sid Changes to STD.
So there's that, I'm like no.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think the word there in my phone, like
T-H-E-R-E, always correct toTeresa.
Why would it do that?

Speaker 5 (16:57):
What I type is what I want.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yes, exactly, exactly .

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Especially when I'm typing medical words.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
But it will always change those words something
else there was a.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
My mom, jarvee, couldn't get a hold of me you
know how he gets in panic modewhen he can't I don't answer my
phone, or whatever and so he hadcalled my mom and she had done
a voice text oh boy something.
When jarvee's like you have gotto read this and I'm like I said
I'm going to screenshot thatand send it to her.
She's like I did not say thatshe was so mad, but by that time

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Jeremy's sending it to mysister.
We told her we was going to putit in a Christmas card.
It was bad.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Pastor Holly did that to me not long ago and
typically I can read between thelines and I don't like make a
big deal out of it.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I just figure out what it was supposed to say and
I read it and I move on.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And I had to respond.
I'm like I don't know what thefirst half of that meant, but
here's my response to the secondhalf.
I couldn't figure it out and Ieven showed it to Alyssa and
she's like I, even based oncontext for what we were texting
about, could not figure it out.
She never told me, so I justand that's how gossip starts.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yes, exactly, exactly yes, sid apparently.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
They're trying to pull us in here, sid, apparently
has STDs, I don't know Well theworld knows that.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now that's going to be in the caption.
I know chat GBT is going tochat gbt.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
That will be amazing if it grabs that and puts it in
the title somehow, or in the I'mgonna bet money oh that's good
stuff, it's uh so who's who's umidea?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
was it for gossip?
Was it yours?

Speaker 4 (18:39):
um, I don't, I think it was yours was, was it, I
think?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
so, okay, pretty passionate about that topic
right about now.
Yeah, pretty passionate aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
What?
Because of the STD.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
So, if I can be honest, I think that sometimes
things are taken out of contact,yeah, and so just to start just
from a base level, I think thatsometimes we even do it with
Scripture.
So, we want somebody to believesomething that we believe, and
so we'll give you a passage ofScripture to convince you that
we're right.
But you don't get it in context, like when people talk about

(19:15):
women not being allowed topreach.
We like to go to Corinthians,which?
2 Corinthians, 1 Corinthians,it doesn't matter, but they talk
about the women are to besilent and sit and yada, yada.
But the context of that, if youread it, is that the women are
so hungry for the word thatthey're pressing against the
veil that they're forced to sitbehind asking questions.

(19:35):
And the apostle Paul is likeyou need to stop, because we
can't preach, we can't teachanybody because you keep asking
questions.
So stop, listen and then askyour questions when we're done
was really the context, butbecause it says that people will
take that out of context.
And that's, I think, how gossiptruly starts setting.

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And even if I say somethingthat could be, on its own merit,
maybe hurtful to one person, orto be deemed as hurtful to one
person, you take it out ofcontext and then you use that as
a well, they said this and canyou believe that they're doing
this or they're doing that?
And now we're weaponizing thatone particular sentence or one
particular phrase againstsomebody, and then we turn into
an angry mob and we're trying to.
You know, we're lighting ourtorches and grabbing our

(20:30):
pitchforks and we're going tostab the pastor.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Sometimes I just think it's how it's rooted in,
just how insecure people.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Because you want to.
You want to get in a group ofpeople that think the same way
and that you can agree withpeople on a subject, and you're
talking about things youprobably know you shouldn't be
talking about or sharinginformation you shouldn't be
sharing.
But you just can't help itbecause then it makes you feel
part of a group.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, well, you're included.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
It's comfort in a way to be included and do those
things.
It's comfort in a way to beincluded and and do those things
.
And a lot of times you go backyou're like, yeah, I regret that
now, but felt good at the time.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
It always does.
And can we agree that when wedo that, oftentimes what we're
doing is we're looking foragreement on something we, like
you, said we know it's not right, it's worldly, it's fleshly not
even?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
that a lot of times it doesn't even matter, right?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
that's what I was, yeah it is something that is so
minute and has so little bearingon your day-to-day life, but
you want somebody to agree withyou on it.
You want something to laughabout to it.
She's shopping for sweaters atthis point she's looking for new

(21:43):
sweaters.
But when I make a joke well andthat's even if somebody listens
to my sermon and they hear mepick on Vicki's sweater that's
the only part that they hear.
That guy's terrible.
Can you believe what he wouldsay about somebody's sweater
sitting in the building?
But they don't have the contextbehind said statement and so

(22:04):
we're talking about it and thenit becomes the identifying
characteristic of whateverconversation and we just want
people to agree.
So when I tell you that Vicky'ssweater is ugly, I want you to
agree with me, whether youbelieve it or not, and my hope
is that because you agree withme, then I've got I feel like
I've got people on my side.
What's interesting isoftentimes you'll go oh, on my

(22:28):
side.
What's interesting isoftentimes you'll go.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
oh yeah, that sweater , it's something else, but then
you're going to go over to Vickyand you're going to.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
He always talks about your sweater and your sweaters
are beautiful, Right, Because wewant to be in the know.
It's FOMO, it's fear of missingout.
We want to be in the group that,like all the gossip happens in,
because we don't want to missany of the details, the fun,
juicy stuff, but we don'tnecessarily believe it enough to
say that I'm going to standwith that person because I'm
going to go back over here andtry to build a bridge so that I
don't get left behind, if thisis the best way to go yeah, and

(22:52):
you could be standing therethinking I don't agree with what
people are saying, but youwon't.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Very few people will actually be like now, come on,
we probably shouldn't be oh,talking about her that way, or?
Talk about her sweaters thatway so, guys, the, the?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
the favorite line that I've been hearing is uh
well, it's not gossip.
If it's true, yes it is yeah ifyou're saying in the presence
of people that you're attemptingto influence.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
It is still gossip yeah, and I mean if you, I mean
everybody, can know like, yeah,this guy over here has a
drinking problem, it's, you know, but that doesn't give you the
right to stand around and talkabout it.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yes, because now, if we're standing, there saying
well, he's got a drinkingproblem and because he has a
drinking problem, he doesn'ttake care of his kids, and you
know this that and the otheryeah.
We haven't.
We haven't gained.
I feel like this is notexclusively a young people's
game either.

(23:46):
No, it's very much so not ayoung people's.
I think gossip is probably oneof the Okay, it's not just
gossip either, it's meanspirited A lot of times that
gossip is rooted in that meanspirited Like I'm upset and we
talked about this last week I'mnot angry because I'm mad.

(24:06):
Angry is a byproduct ofwhatever other emotion that I'm
feeling.
I'm feeling angry because I'mhurt.
I'm feeling angry because I'msad, I'm feeling angry because
all of these other things, andso I think, out of that anger,
it's easy to just start togossip and pretend like this is
acceptable.
Well, I don't gossip, I ventWell that's true, and as a

(24:30):
pastor, I never gossip.
No, we don't gossip.
We just ask you to pray for theperson who's sinning and we
tell you why we're praying forthem.
Right, listen, that's a normalthing in church world, right?
So if Nick, if you say to mehey, you know, margie and I, you
know we're really strugglingwith this, that or the other
thing in our marriage, pleasedon't tell anybody, because I

(24:50):
don't want anybody to know.
Oh, I won't say a word.
I won't say a word.
Call Pastor Holly.
Hey, pastor Holly, can you prayfor Nick and Margie?
They're having some struggles.
It sounds like Nick is.
And then I go into it.
Right, right, it's still gossip.
Even if I'm asking you to prayfor that person, all I've done
was I've guys you made it prettysprinkles on top, shrouded it

(25:11):
as a prayer request.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Let me tell you a secret.
God doesn't need he doesn'tneed me to say it out loud to
know what it is that we'repraying for, Right.
And so Pastor Holly doesn'thave to know every intimate
detail.
I'm going to tell you somethingI don't want to know every
intimate detail.
I don't, I do not want to knowevery intimate detail, because
there are times that people willtell you things about their
personal lives that you have nobusiness knowing.

(25:33):
You have no business.
I don't care if I'm your pastor.
I may be your pastor, I'm notyour therapist.
Right, listen, there's adifference.
I Right, listen, there's adifference.
I can give you good counsel.
I can say scripturally here'swhat the Bible says, this is
what the Word says, this is whatI believe, this is what our
church believes.
But if you're sinning in someway, that is none of my please

(25:57):
don't tell me.
And I don't look differently atyou because of it.
I can look at it and go okay,they probably shouldn't have
told me that I'm still going togive you grace and mercy and all
the things.
But you've got to remember thatdoesn't come out of here, it's
stuck in there right.
It is stuck in there forever.
Ever I could curl your guys'toes with the things I know

(26:18):
about the people of this church.
No, please don't, I wouldn't.
The scary part is when you knowit and you're like I have to
live with this forever, andthere are some things that I
don't even tell my wife becauseI would be too embarrassed to
have that conversation with mywife.
Yep, I have such a great dealof respect for my wife.
There are things that I couldnot say to her, that other

(26:40):
people have said to me.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
That's scary yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
The phrase that I had jotted down both gossip and
drama, because drama is a bigpart of gossip, Big part of
gossip Because when we gossip,we create drama right, right,
right and so they are bothspiritually corrosive In and of
their own right.
They won't send you to helldirectly, but they will eat away
at your spirit, man they willeat away at that spirit man so

(27:08):
quickly that you find yourselfjust living in sin all the time,
because you can't stop talkingabout people, you can't stop
living in the drama.
You can't stop creating it forother people.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
And you look at it as oh well, I'm not doing anything
I'm being helpful.
I'm just telling, or I'mrelaying a message, and at least
I'm not going out and doingthis and that, yes, okay, well,
your sin isn't better than theirsin.
Like actually, the devil'seating you alive because of that
drama and gossip.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Oh, and you got to think too.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
You can't trust the people that you gossip with.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Because they're gossiping with other people
About you.
Whatever you're saying is goingto stay in that little group,
Guaranteed.
They are talking about you whenyou walk out the room.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Or they're going to take that information and tell
the very person that you'regossiping about.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And then everything that you said.
Sometimes it's kind ofunintentional about that way too
.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Because I just had it happen Especially in the
workplace.
Yeah, you won't be aroundgossiping about management or
about the ownership or whatever.
You better be careful about whoyou say things to, because
somebody in that group might bethe first one to run up there
and say hey, just so you knowit's interesting.
So I was talking about you know.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think as teenagers we experience it a lot more than
we do as adults.
I mean, I think it still exists, but when we're teenagers we
haven't gotten good at lying yet, so that part of our brain
hasn't developed.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I was going to bring that up.
There was one instance in highschool and I told my grandma my
mom's side that mom and I saidman, I just can't wait to get
out of high school.
I don't know why this evenhappened, just something stupid.
Someone like making fun of myhair because I put it behind my
ear or something.
She was just jealous because Iwas friends with someone that
she really liked, all that stuff.

(28:50):
And she's like Sid hate to tellyou, but it might get worse
because the workforce isn't.
Yeah, it's not, you know it's,it's basically just mean mean
people, but it's in a workforce,Just mean girls 2.0.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
We?
Well, the reason I was talkingabout it is I had an experience
with my oldest son, so he was inthe spring musical at the high
school and he's got a girlfriend.
They're I would say they'resemi-serious.
I mean, they've been togetherfor almost a year at this point,
but they're teenagers Do youknow what I mean.
So like, how serious can a highschool relationship be?

(29:22):
Now, when you're in high school, you think they're serious, so
I don't want to take away fromthe emotion that comes with that
.
But there was another girl whoallegedly liked him and was
trying to talk to him and thegirlfriend was like no, don't
talk to her, but they're allthree in the musical together.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.

(29:45):
And so he got on social mediaand he posted something like
well, I guess I'm not allowed totalk to anybody else now,
because that's what immaturepeople do right right, and the
girl who allegedly liked himimmediately called him and he
talked on the phone with her foran hour and, I'm sure,
explaining why he couldn't talkto her and what felt innocent,
but certainly was not innocent.
If you don't think that girlcalled for a reason, yeah,

(30:07):
you're a fool do you know what Imean?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
and then you stayed on the phone with her.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, exactly, and so, then, this level of drama gets
created and now we're talkingabout one another because she's
trying to break these people upand but she says he's not
allowed to talk to anybody andhe's talking to both of them.
So can you believe, likethere's this?
I don't understand that.
I don't have the emotionalenergy to invest in that like
I'm burnt out.

(30:32):
I don't want to talk about who'sdating who and who's seeing
what and who's doing this, and Ijust I don't have it in me
anymore.
I got too much stuff going onin my life, right Like I've got
too much good stuff going on inmy life.
This is a.
I said this last night in thegroup chat and not everybody
thinks I'm as funny as I think Iam just to be clear.

(30:55):
When our power came back on.
We have a young adult groupchat and I was like, hey, our
power's back on, yay.
And somebody said it was Ashley.
Johnson said, oh, aren't youlucky?
And I said, no, I'm not lucky,I'm favored.
And I genuinely believe thatNot just because my power came
back on, it did come back on,just so we're all clear.
No one else is dead.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Mine never went off.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
So, you got a little more favor.
Touche, touche, touche, goodjob.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
But I had to level him.
Finally, Yerkesville was theplace to be Right.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I know that I am favored because I don't make
time for that.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I don't like my my mind doesn't make time for that,
my body doesn't make time forthat, and that's God saying.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
It's easy to get stuck in this and I'm not going
to let you pull you away fromthem, and it is easy in the
church to get wrapped up in that.
Oh yeah, so easy.
See, I've been working on thatand like better, like just
trying to keep into account likemy emotions, my feelings, and
it's almost like okay.
Like I said that I didn't wantto go to a certain place because

(31:57):
someone would be there and Ijust don't particularly care for
this person, I don't like justthe, the personality, like I
know what goes on behind closeddoors and then they act like
they're somebody else and Idon't want to be annoyed the
whole time.
So I said, hey, nothing on youguys, but if so, and so does go,
just count me out like chasecan still go, just count me out.

(32:17):
Well, nonchalantly got back tothis oh and I'm like here.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I am trying to better myself oh, brother, yeah,
brother, yeah, been there, donethat, been there, done that.
Okay, proverbs 6, 16 through 19.
I'm only going to give you asmall portion of this, but it's
there are six things that theLord hates A person who sows
discord in a family.
That's the portion that I wantto talk about because, quite
frankly, sowing discord iscreating drama inside Now it

(32:43):
uses the word family, but thatcould be a church family.
That could be a friend circle Inmy opinion, anyone if the Lord
hates somebody who sows discord.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Not just in a family, but yeah,
that's a big word Hate.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
The Lord detests somebody who sows discord.
I'm not looking to be hated,I'm not looking for my actions
to be frowned upon, and so Ihave to use the filter.
Is this glorifying to theperson I'm going to say it about
?
Is it glorifying to God, or amI going to regret this Now?

(33:19):
Listen, sometimes I'll have aconversation with somebody and
I'll be like listen, I'm goingto tell you the truth, but if
you repeat this, I'm going tocall you a liar, because
sometimes I need to tell youdirectly what you need to hear.
But you need to understand thatthis is between you and I.
Right, like, listen, there areministries that I won't support
in our community.
I won't support them because Iknow the backstory to the

(33:42):
ministry.
Now, that's insider knowledge,right, like that's being in
Congress and buying stock.
You have knowledge you probablyshouldn't have right, yeah.
So sorry, and so I don't want to.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
But if you go back and tellthat person that I said that I'm
going to be like, not quitelike that, Well and chances are
they probably they're going tomanipulate it, spun it like that

(34:03):
.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
well, and chances are they, probably, they're gonna,
they're gonna manipulate around,right, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So I I need people to understand that there are some
things, that when you have aconversation with somebody, that
you have to be truthful because, again, iron sharpens iron and
that does cause sparks.
That you need to be able to dothat in a trusted environment
where you're doing it with loveand not to sow discord right I'm
not telling you so that youdon't love those people.
I'm telling you so that youprotect your heart when you're

(34:27):
with those people yeah right,like there's a difference there.
Okay, so, um, I use chat gpt tomake this for me.
I'm gonna find it real quick.
Where's it at?
Where's it?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
at okay maybe.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Oh, now chat gpt is not gonna work for me.
I love chat gpt because it'llmake um diagrams for me, like
I'll put in my thoughts, andthen it makes these little bar
charts.
Listen, I have a guy at workwho's super good with chat gpt
and he can make it like readhotel rates from local
competitors and tell him whatour rates should be oh, that's,
that's cool.
He's like super talented withchat GPT.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Do you pay for, like the premium?
We have a business subscription.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Okay.
So anger and gossip really runtogether?
Because when you gossip aboutsomebody, it creates anger, and
so when you're gossiping, you'resowing discord.
Okay.
So when you're saying somethingto somebody, you should be
saying out of the love for God,the love of others and the truth
, right?

(35:29):
And so when you're doing that,you don't have room for your ego
or your selfishness, right?
We're only talking about thingsthat are truthful, things that
are about the love of God andthe things that are edifying or
glorifying to other people.
Because if we're doing theopposite of that, we're sowing
discord.
We're allowing ourselves to beflesh more than we are spirit,

(35:51):
and I think that people getwrapped up in the idea that I
can say this with all duerespect right, with all due
respect, vicky's sweaters areugly.
What does that mean?
You just called her sweatersugly.
You can't say with all duerespect and then say whatever
you want.
I don't mean to be mean.

(36:11):
But, Vicky's sweaters are ugly.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
No, you meant to be mean.
I'm not trying to cause drama,but yeah, I'm not trying to
cause drama, but did you see?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, did you hear?
Did you watch drama?
But did you see?
Yeah, did you hear?
Did you watch?
Shut up, if it's not glorifyingto god, it's not glorifying to
the person you're going to sayit about, or you might regret it
.
Keep your mouth shut.
Just don't say it.
Yeah, because chances arethere's no reason to have said
it I love that.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
My brain, for the most part, doesn't retain any of
that stuff.
How?
You remember everything oh mygosh, yes if it doesn't pertain
to me, don't worry about merepeating it, because I've done
lost it.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But there's some things that you don't unsee in
your brain.
But you're a nurse too, somaybe there's a little bit of
like you see, but she's used toit Physically see a lot more
than I see so, yeah yeah, whatyou're talking about is it
scriptural?
Is it scriptural, scripturallyaligned with God, right?

(37:09):
So if listen, I don't want toknow about your bedroom habits.
None of my business.
None of my business.
However there are a handful ofpeople in the church that I know
about their stuff I don't wantto know.
There's no reason at any pointin my life that I will ever need
to go.
You know what?
I bet that's going to be onJeopardy.
Don't need to hear it.

(37:33):
Don't need to hear it.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
And if we could only disconnect ourself from those
conversations?
Just step away.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Here's what I've started to do and I'll be honest
with you.
This is like a something thatpastor holly had to teach me.
I always use the same phrasehey listen, I want to be able to
give you the best counselpossible, but I am not qualified
to be a therapist.
That simple statement says theconversation that we are having
should stop.
Should stop, that needs to goto somebody else.

(38:09):
I love you and I want tosupport you, but I don't need to
know that there's no reason,and oftentimes I don't do
post-marriage counseling because, again, I'm not qualified for
that.
Now I'll, I'll meet with people, we'll have dinner and we'll
talk through things, but, like alot of times, when you get into

(38:30):
those conversations, it becomesintimacy conversations and well
, he this and he that, and hethis and he that or she this and
she that I can't fix that foryou.
I don't I don't want to know.
Yeah, I can't fix that for you.
I don't, I don't want to knowNow, don't get me wrong Like, if
you genuinely need me to prayfor something in your life, I

(38:50):
want to be able to pray for it.
But there are things you cansay like hey, hey, I'm
struggling with you know myrelationship with this person,
can you pray about that?
Yep, I sure can, and I can prayin that very vague way.
But God pray in that very vagueway but god knows what you've
asked.
Yeah, we can.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
We can be in agreement on whatever god is
going to do in your life.
And not to mention like I'm nottaking credentials from you, but
we are so like resourceful nowyes like they can do it online
they can go in you know there'sa place 10-15 minutes away, like
as like if you put your footdown and say, hey, you know, I
love you, but I I don't want tohave this conversation anymore.
Like there's other places forthem to go to, like it shouldn't

(39:28):
feel bad about that or anythingyeah, you're supposed to be
there for people's spiritualgrowth right exactly not uh, not
for them to break your spirityeah yeah, yes, yeah, yeah all
right, hold on real quick.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I just got a text.
He's gossiping.
Uh, I just got a text fromjenny I love.
I get these a lot, by the way,why did the pen fall in love?
I'm really good at riddles, sopeople like to ask me to see if
I know them.
Why did the pen fall in love?
the cap was scripted I don'tknow let's see, I'm gonna ask

(40:08):
her what and let her give me theanswer, so that we don't sit
here on this for a long time.
However, dale asked one in like, we have a men's group chat
that we talk in um, like earlyin the morning, pray for each
other and whatnot.
And uh, it was what's 5q plus5Q 10 cuties.
The answer is 10Q, and when yousay 10Q, I say you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
That is a terrible joke.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
That might be the worst joke I've heard.
Sorry, Dale.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
This was a really bad one too.
It just felt right Like felttip right.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, that was bad.
Boo felt right, like felt tipright.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
That was bad.
Boo, wah wah wah.
Those are the ones I don't get.
I like the ones that are likeyou.
It's very obvious.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
I don't want to say very obvious, but they're clever
.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
That was a little dry , but it was a good attempt.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
That was a dad joke for sure, yeah, but it was a
good attempt.
That was a dad joke for sure,yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, that one ran out of ink.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Did we talk last week about peacemakers and
peacekeepers in our angerconversation?
I think that runs into thisgossip conversation too.
These two really do tie nicelytogether because I think when
you're in a friend group oryou're in a group of just
like-minded people, you alwayshave that peacemaker or that
peacekeeper and they dogenuinely try to remove
themselves from the drama, butthey have a hard time

(41:36):
differentiating themselves ordifferentiating the truth from
the lie, because they want tobelieve everybody and they want
everybody to get along.
So they, like me, arecompartmentalizing all of this
information and trying to figureout who's right and who's wrong
.
That can be a real challenge.
That can be a real challenge.
I've also learned this that Iwill give everybody the benefit
of the doubt.
I will trust just about anybodyfor a length of time.

(41:59):
But if you've proven to me thatI can't trust you now and I
will say it in several ways if I.
But if you've proven to me thatI can't trust you now and I
will say it in several ways If Ican't trust you to complete the
task you've, promised me youwould complete.
You've lost my trust and I'm notgoing to ask you to do anything
else.
The second is if I trust youwith information, that then you
use against it not against mebut in an inappropriate way.
So like, let's say that Beth andI are talking about somebody

(42:22):
who came in to get food and youknow Roger sitting in the room
and Roger hears it.
If Roger takes that informationand goes back to the community
and he says, well, that person'sbeen coming to our food pantry
to get food and they're tellingus this, and they're telling us
that, I lose trust because thatinformation was not for public
consumption.
That was happening in-house,that was a private conversation

(42:43):
and I'll tell you that's worsethan not following through on a
task.
Oh yeah, it's far worse, becausenow everything I say I feel
like it has to be guarded.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
And if I can't just speak, I don't want to be
involved in the conversation,because now I have to script
every conversation that I havewith you or around you.
I don't like that.
I don't like that.
I especially don't like to haveto think about what I'm about
to say.
Do you know what I mean?
I want to be able to have anhonest conversation with
somebody.
If you called me and you said,hey, why don't you like me?

(43:14):
Right, because people haveasked me that.
Why did one lady ask me?
Why did you unfriend me?
Well, do you want the truth?
Because I'll tell you.
And it's not because I don'tlike you, it's because on
Facebook, if we're not friendsin real life, I don't need you
to be my friend on Facebook.
There's nothing in my life thatyou need to see or would you
care about if we're not friendsin real life.
Right, like?
That's just the cold, hardtruth.
Well, that's hurtful.

(43:36):
I'm sorry that that's hurtful,but you've picked up that
offense laying out that's youremotion.
I'm not in charge of youremotion.
I can't be responsible for howyou feel about me not being
friends with you on social media, but we also have to look at
that from the flip side.
We are we are responsible forhow we treat people.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
And so when we're in a conversation with somebody who
is easily offended or easilyhurt, we do have to walk on
eggshells a little bit, becauseif you don't't, you risk
offending, and we don't want tooffend the flesh, we want to um,
lift up the spirit.
No, no, what's the word I'mlooking?
for we don't want to offend theflesh, we want to convict the

(44:16):
spirit, right.
So when we, if you're doingsomething wrong, and I tell you
like hey, nick, you, I heard youwere at the bar the other night
and you were silly drunk I'mnot having a conversation with
Nick to offend his flesh, I'mhoping to convict his spirit.
I'm hoping that the spirit mangoes.
You know what that?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
was right, he's right .

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I shouldn't have been there, but if I come in guns a
blazing Nick, I'll tell you whatyou know.
You're on podcast, you've beenon council and here you are at
the bar drinking.
What in the world is wrong withyou?
That is the dumbest thing thatyou could do.
What am I doing?

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I'm offending the flesh.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
My intention is to make him feel bad, not to get
his spirit to go.
Oh, wake up.
Wake up, and so I think we haveto be able to differentiate
that and I think if we can getreally good at that, we can stop
the gossip, because we'll knowhow to stop the conversation
when we walk into a room andsomebody said, hey, did you hear
what Nick was doing last night?
And I say you know what?

(45:10):
I don't know what Nick wasdoing, unless it was glorifying
God.
I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Because they go what?
No, seriously, unless he wasamazing, did he lay hands on
somebody and bring them backfrom the dead?
No, I don't want to know aboutit.
And then they're like well, butshouldn't you want to know if
your congregant is doing X?
No, again, I am not responsiblefor your entry into heaven,

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believe it or not.
I'm not responsible for anybodyat this table.
I'm responsible for my own.
Right, and so I want to stay inalignment with God and I don't
want to be doing things thatwill send me to the pits of hell
.
It's my responsibility to leadyou down that same path.
The best way to lead you is tolive by example, and if I can
stop gossip dead in its track,then you can stop gossip dead in

(45:57):
its track because I'm not goingto come to you with it, right?
So you will know not to come tome with it, yeah and the room
goes silent.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
And just let everybody know we're never sure
when we're going to stop.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Nick doesn't go to the bar, not that I'm aware of
at least, and we're going tokeep it that way.
No, yeah, those days are over,for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
I don't think I could handle that.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I know I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't think I could if I wanted to yeah, I know I
couldn't.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I don't think I could if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I know I couldn't no, if they close at 8.30,.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I might be that's bedtime.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Listen we have a railroad festival meeting
tomorrow night at 8 o'clock atnight.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Who came up with that time?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
anyway, I don't know, but Aaron even had it in his
calendar at 8, and then Bethtexted me and said that it was
Thursday at 8.
What were we thinking?
8 o'clock is bedtime, yeah, andthey like to run for two hours.
No, well, maybe it'll be short.
Well, it's going to have to beshort.
I'll be asleep at the table.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
That, or you'll be chugging coffee and won't be
able to fall asleep.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I know Coffee doesn't keep me awake.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I see now and I thought what in the world?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Who was the person to come up with that?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Well, I think we agreed that because it was a
work night, we needed to belater so everybody could go home
and eat and whatnot before webut that late.
Well, but, like even myself, Ihave that's National Day of
Prayer.
So we've got prayer at thegazebo starting at six.
That'll run for an hour, soseven o'clock, and then I'll
have to come back here and prepthe building for everybody to be
here.
So, yeah, I'll need every bitof that time.

(47:41):
Discretion, I think, is anotherimportant word when we're
talking about gossip, becauseyou can be discreet about
conversations that you're having.
Right, pastor Holly was sittingin here with me today and she
said very, she asked me aquestion very discreetly.
There were other people in theroom.
They had no idea, notnecessarily no idea what she was
talking about, but it wasn'tlike oh my gosh, they're going

(48:01):
to be so upset if you do X, orthat person is going to get
wildly crazy.
It was a hey, emotions in checkfor X and I was like perfect
way to have this conversation.
But there are some people whocan't do that and discretion is
important, especially wheneveryou're talking about sensitive

(48:21):
subjects.
So if we're talking aboutsomebody who's attending the
church, who we know isn'tnecessarily know.
Maybe they're living at the baror whatever.
We aren't standing in thepulpit.
Listen, I offended somebody, Ioffended my own family a couple
of Sundays ago because I wastalking about you know, how can
you sit in church and be savedand then go out and drink in the

(48:42):
evenings?
But it wasn't just drinking, itwas about several things and
they thought that I was talkingdirectly about them.
I'm like listen, that's calledconviction.
First of all, like let's justput that on the table.
That's called conviction, but Iwould never intentionally do
that.
When I write a message aboutsomething that's in interaction,
I would never make it sopersonal that that person will
be like, oh, he's definitelytalking about me.
Now, if you can read betweenthe lines again, that's called

(49:05):
conviction.
And you're going oh wait, yeah,I've done that.
I've done that.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Because I said things like I don't ever want to hear
somebody say this is probablythe most painful thing that
people will do to me is oh, ifyou were talking to the old me,
right, let people say to you.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yes, people will say that to me.
Oh, listen, the old me wouldhave never gotten along with you
.
Oh, the old me would have never.
Because the minute that youhave to say that, I'm led to
believe that that old personstill lives in there.
Yeah, right and that you likethat old person better and like
why almost that you want me toknow that at any point you could
fight me right I'm like listen,yeah, yeah I don't care if you

(49:46):
like me or not.
I'm not here to be liked by you.
I am here to be acceptable inthe eyes of Christ.
That's what I'm here for.
I want to be liked by peoplebecause I want to be a good
leader, I want to be valued, Iwant to stand up for what's
right in my community All ofthose things.
But at the end of the day, ifnobody in this world likes me
but I am acceptable in the eyesof Christ have done everything I

(50:07):
needed to do.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I didn't need anything else.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
But, as you know, doing that will get you a lot of
enemies.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Oh, and then those people like to gossip about you.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, because you're actually sticking up for
yourself and you're actuallybeing different, and people
don't like different.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
We had somebody leave the church and they started
attending another church andthey called at the time my
supervisor and told them that Iwas planning to perform a gay
wedding.
My supervisor called me.
He's like is that true?
I'm like dude.
First of all, even if it were,I wouldn't tell you because I
know that you wouldn't let me doit.
But second of all, no, it ain'ttrue.
And how they would jump to thatassumption is far beyond me,

(50:52):
far beyond me.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
And why Like?
Why waste your time doing?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
that, and the purpose was to just create chaos.
It was just to create chaos,and it didn't slow me down, it
didn't stop me.
It wasn't like there was aninvestigation or anything like
that, but it created anuncomfortable conversation.
That's really all that.
It was an investigation oranything like that, but it
created an uncomfortableconversation.
That's really all that it was.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I just don't understand why people even like
have time to even create thischaos, especially like I'm
thinking of something going onright now not with me, but
something else going on.
And I'm like this girl has twokids, she's pregnant with
another one and she's startingthings with someone else.
And I'm like, why are youbringing this upon yourself?

(51:31):
Your life seems so chaotic asit is.
Like, do you just want theattention?
Do you want the drama?
Like I don't know, you know,and she claims to be a Christian
woman too.
I'm like, oh no, and forreference, she does not go here.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Not even from this same county, are you sure?
I promise?
Okay, strife, or creatingstrife, or creating chaos or
sowing drama, any of thosethings is a sign of spiritual
immaturity.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Oh yeah, I think it's just a sign of immaturity
altogether.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Certainly Like fleshly immaturity always, but
there's a point in life, whenyou become spiritually mature,
that you can look at that and go.
Not worth my time.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, that is not healthy it is not that's.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I'm gonna glean nothing from this interaction.
I'm not going to gain anything.
Life is not going to get better.
I'm not going to get rich fromthis, spiritually or physically.
Why would I be involved in that?
And you can look at it, shakeyour head and walk away, but
when you are spirituallyimmature?

Speaker 4 (52:29):
you, you live for it.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You sit on the front row with the church because you
want to see all the people godown in the spirit.
When Pastor Holly leans in, andwhat can I pray for?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
and they tell her all of their secrets.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
I want to hear this one, you know what I mean.
That's what people do wheneverthey're spiritually immature.
They're looking for gossip orthey're looking for drama.
Either they can become part ofor they can create, because
that's their identity.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
That is their identity and they get bored with
their identity.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yes, then they've got to jump onto something else.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
One of the main things I pray for every morning
is that God will have control ofmy day, that it will be
peaceful, that I will doeverything I can to make
everything go the way it'ssupposed to with no strife with
no drama, because it's like,yeah, I have all these
responsibilities, you have allthese things that you have to

(53:24):
commit to, and it's like thereis absolutely no room for any
type of negativity.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
There's just no room for it Agreed and it's just I'll
do anything.
Not that I want to be passive,but it's just.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
There's no way I want to go out of my way to make my
day harder.
Right, right or do anythingthat God will go really.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Like this is how you want to.
You know, this is how you wantto go about your day.
Yeah, okay, well, because thenyou so again stuck on Noah.
I keep getting stuck on Noah.
But I'm fascinated by the factand if nobody else is fascinated
with this, I just can'tunderstand it.
God has decided to destroy thewhole world.
Right, like that's his decisionthat the flesh is sinful and
I'm just going to destroy thewhole thing.
But decision that the flesh issinful and I'm just going to

(54:11):
destroy the whole thing, butNoah found favor.
Right, that's what I want in mylife If God were to say, sodom
and Gomorrah style this place isgoing to hell in a handbasket
and we're just going to burn itdown.
I want to find favor, like Noahfound building the ark.
I want to find that same typeof favor and I guarantee you, if

(54:32):
my life is nothing but gossipand drama, I will not find favor
.
I'm not gonna.
Titus 3, 10 and 11, it says ifpeople are causing division
among you, give a first andsecond warning.
After that, have nothing moreto do with them.
You ever met somebody that allthey do is create trouble?
Every time you talk to them,they're making some sort of

(54:54):
trouble for somebody somewhere,and sometimes they're
braggadocious about it, likethey like to tell everybody oh
my God.
I'll tell you what so-and-so wasdoing this and so-and-so was
doing that.
So I told both of them whatthey were doing.
And then they ended up seeingeach other doing it, and then
they ended up seeing each otherdoing it and, oh man, they won't
even speak to one another.
Now why are you telling people?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
that, yeah, they could see somebody just minding
their own business, going abouttheir day and they're like watch
this.
I'm going to just totally gethim riled up and upset him.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Yeah, Proverbs 16, 28 says a perverse person stirs up
conflict and the gossipseparates close friends.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Yeah.
Or instead of seeing somebodystruggling, say you know what,
I'm going to try to help him out.
Right, They'll stand back andwatch him struggle.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Watch it burn.
Watch it burn yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
A lot of those too.
They lit the fire, Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Break your fingers off, but no,I don't want to be a piece of
yellow legal paper at the bottomof a wastebasket right right,
that's a good way to look at itjust like your whole how god

(56:01):
looks at you, your whole lifeplan, if he's if you're supposed
to be, written in the book oflife and all that, and he's just
gonna look at it and it and gothere's white out over your name
.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
He wrote it too early .

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Crumble and free pointer Kobe it's like no, but
yeah, gossip is like I said it'sprobably the hardest one to
because it's so easy.
At the end of the day, it'sjust so easy, even for the most

(56:32):
well-meaning person.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
It's so easy I know I blame social media for a lot of
things, but that's the oneright.
Have you ever seen something onsocial media that you
immediately screenshot and sendto somebody?
Can you believe they said this?
Listen, we have my wife and Ihave a couple who are not
married, but they're in aserious really.
I mean, they've been togetherforever in a relationship.
They live together, but aboutevery six, eight months they're

(56:55):
getting a divorce or separatingright and they'll like each of
them will air their dirtylaundry on social media and then
like and then, 20 minutes later, it's gone, it's gone, it's
gone, so my wife and I havegotten really good about
screenshotting before it's goneso we can still read it now I
want to just explain that, asI'm consuming that.
I'm consuming that, thinkingthere is something wrong here

(57:18):
and they need a whole lot ofprayer because they have been
together for so long, they havechildren together, and so they
will on occasion ask, alyssa andI, if we want to have dinner
together.
And we don't, because we knowthat we can't insert ourselves
in that because, they are notChristians.
I will also say this, though wealso can't just say no because
they're not Christians, becausethe gospel has to be preached at

(57:38):
some point.
And sometimes that's the waythat it happens.
I believe that, for if you havea neighbor that's, or a friend,
or somebody in your friendcircle or somebody that you know
that's homosexual or living inknown sin, the best thing that
you can do is preach the gospel.
You can love them all you want,but unless you tell them the
truth, they're not going to knowwhat the truth is, and so we

(58:01):
are very cautious about how weinteract with them, because we
don't want to get pulled intothat cycle.
of abuse is what we would callit because there's really
nothing better to call it, butthat emotional manipulation,
that emotional abuse, and it'sreally hard to understand how
they've ever gotten to thatpoint in their relationship
where you know, just stop.
Not that they'll ever listen tothis, but I'm just going to

(58:22):
stop.
What are you doing?
No, I'm using it as an example.
I don't think is gossip,because I wasn't talking
specifically but as an example.
You're looking at the problem,not the people.
And the problem is thatoftentimes we have adapted our
mindset to think that walkingaway is easier.

(58:43):
To just say I'm not going to dothis, or I don't want this, or
I don't like this, I'm going towalk away, versus we need to fix
this is the easiest thing to do, because when the flesh walks
away, the flesh gets mean, itgets ugly, it gets filled with
anger because, whether or notit's hurt or upset, it becomes
filled with this anger that thenturns into gossip and drama and
deception and all of the things, and it's hard to take that

(59:06):
back.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
And you think yeah, yeah it's satan's very first
tactic and it's with eve yeahhe's like you know.
They know exactly what god'slaws are you know, and, of
course, what's the serpent do?
Starts more or less deceivingand gossiping like, oh, he just
doesn't want you to know hedoesn't want you to be as smart
as he is.
He doesn't want you to know allthe things, yeah and and I'm

(59:29):
sure he said even more thanwhat's in the Bible.
Right so it's almost your firstform of gossip and deception.
And you can see what thatcreated in itself.
So maybe that's why it's thehardest, because maybe it's one
of the original sins.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You know I always think about again.
There are weird scriptures thatI love just so very much, and
one of the ones that it alwayssticks out in my mind is that
Adam and Eve, after theyrealized that they were naked
because they didn't know thatinitially when they fell into
sin they realized they werenaked and they felt shame for
the first time they went andthey hid in the trees so that

(01:00:08):
God wouldn't be able to see themand see that they were naked.
Think about the logic behindthat.
You've always been naked, he'salways known that you were naked
.
That sin that you are carryingis a choice.
You carry that because youchoose to carry it.
God doesn't look at that.
He's not looking at the factthat you're naked.
He's not looking at the factthat you've sinned or you've

(01:00:30):
done wrong.
That's your burden and you justkeep carrying it around like
it's a backpack that's going toat some point give you riches
and glory, and I think we liketo treat that.
It makes us humble, right?
Well, I've been through all ofthese things in life.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
I've seen it, I've lived through it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
You know, I was a drug addict and I went to jail
and I've all of these things.
It doesn't define who you are.
All that is is something thatyou're carrying around as a
badge of honor.
That means nothing in thekingdom of God.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
But like a badge of honor that you feel shameful
about anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Well, I don't even think that.
Shame to me.
Shame is also a really nice wayof if I say that I'm ashamed of
my past.
I want you to ask me about mypast.
My testimony is my testimony,and there's a difference between
sharing the story and sharingmy testimony because, my story
is very one-sided right.
My testimony is as neutral as Ican humanly make it and I always
ask do you tell a story fromyour point of view, the way that

(01:01:29):
you saw it, the way that youremember, or do you tell it like
it actually happened?
None of us sitting in this roomtell a story like it actually
happened.
You have a perspective on howit happened, you believe how it
happened and that's what createsgossip, because you could be
sitting in a room full of 10other people.
Everybody hears or observes orexperiences something slightly
different in that conversation.

(01:01:50):
Yeah, you know, if Roger andNick are talking and it gets
heated, even if they're like no,I just simply don't agree with
that.
I'm like man, nick got reallyupset for no reason and then
Sid's like well, roger was beingreally passive, that was like
he should have asserted himselfmore.
And when we go out and we tellthat story, I've got a story
that Nick was being really meanand really aggressive and Sid's
got a story that that Roger was.

(01:02:11):
He was just like he was justlaying down and just taking it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
And then they're in the parking lot Like, yeah,
whatever, dude, I'll see younext Wednesday, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And they've already walked away from it.
But now the world thinks thatthe two of them hate each other.
Right, like that'sunderstanding to have that.
You cannot objectively tell astory.
History is always told from theside of the winner.
Yep, always.
They're the ones that get towrite the books, they're the
ones that get to tell the story.
If you go to I think we weretalking about this man what?

(01:02:42):
What country was it?
I can't remember.
It's not a super importantpoint, but there are countries
who have been at war with theUnited States and, like, we call
it, um, the Vietnam conflict orthe Vietnam war, and they call
it the American war because wewere the instigators.
Right, like, that's how theyview it.
But we're telling the story tothe people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Well, it's kind of like our own civil war at the
time of the people.
Well, it's kind of like our owncivil war at the time.
They called it.
You either call it the war ofthe rebellion if you were from
the north right and a lot ofpeople in the south called it
the second war of independenceyes because they believed that
they were fighting forindependence.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, yes, that's what I'm saying.
It's, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
We can't ever tell a story objectively that sounds
like a lot of today's politicsyeah, for sure for sure nothing
has changed yeah, no, nothinghas changed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I think we've gotten more vocal about it in like a
much more like again.
We say this a lot too, butthere are people who say stuff
online who just obviously havenever been punched in the face
for the things that they've said.
Right, like back when I was akid, if you said something to
somebody and they heard you, yougot blasted in the mouth and
you didn't say it again.
Now we just sit behind ourcomputer and we can say stuff
about people in California orNew York or whatever.
We know they're never going tocome find us, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah, unless they have your IP address.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, but how many of them are going to come find you
?
Most of the ones that can findyour IP address probably don't
want to fight you.
Yeah, true, have you guys heardof swatting?
Anybody heard of swatting?
Yeah, flies.
Anybody heard of swatting?
Yeah, flies, no, okay, soswatting is a form of we'll call
it harassment, but it's almostdeemed to be terrorism.
Now, okay, so let's say thatyou know Nancy Pelosi's address.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Didn't they make this illegal?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
It is illegal.
It's always been illegal, butnow it's going to be like
federal crime rather than alocal crime.
So you know Nancy Pelosi'saddress, you know that she's
home on Thanksgiving break andyou call the police and say that
there's a sexual assaulthappening or there is some
domestic.
There's some domestic, there'sa gunman in the house.

(01:04:42):
Whatever they send the SWATteam out, they kick in the door,
everybody gets arrested,handcuffed, thrown on the floor.
It becomes a big productionbecause the SWAT team out, they
kick in the door, everybody getsarrested, handcuffed, thrown on
the floor.
It becomes a big productionbecause the SWAT team thinks
that something is actuallyhappening inside of the home.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
But it's been a lie all along.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
That is normal, that's common.
It happens all the time now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, yeah, to very famous people.
It happens regularly.
Didn't that actually happen toNancyancy pelosi?
I don't know if it happened tonancy pelosi.
I think it might have.
Yeah, let's look.
But that's a new form of whatthey're calling domestic
terrorism, basically.
And I think about, like again,sowing discord just because you
don't like somebody doesn't meanyou should ruin their lives
yeah, yeah like.

(01:05:22):
I think that it's really crummyof somebody to go and leave a
negative review of a businessbecause they don't like the
owner.
Right, have you ever donebusiness with that place If you
haven't stay out of it?
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Did you hear of the draft pick?
Who is?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Oh yes, I just heard about that today at the
barbershop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
They were so prank called like who.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Oh, dion, sanders, yes, uh huh yes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Like, called and said that this team was going to
draft him in the next round andhe was actually projected to be
drafted a while before.
So he was waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
He was waiting any minute for it anyway, and then
people just prank, called him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
It was somebody sitting at a table at the draft.
One of the guys got up and leftand went to the bathroom and
all of his notes were there andthey had the phone number for
this kid and whoever was sittingnext to him picked up the phone
, called him and said hey,you're going to be drafted,
we're going to draft you, and sohe's excited and I don't
remember the teams or whatnot.
He was excited well, this says.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I just tried to figure out who it was and it
said nfl finds the falcons yes,the atlanta Falcons.
Dc over Sanders prank call.
So it was the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
And they find the offensive coordinator, defensive
the defensive coordinator,because he left his, the notes
lay there, $100,000 and the team$250,000, something like that.
For that, prank call.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Oh, the team made it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
It was somebody who was working with the team,
actually worked for the Falcons,actually worked for the Falcons
.
Now, he may have been an internor whatever, but he was sitting
at the draft table.
He was sitting there when hedid it.
Wow, how dirty.
Yeah, how dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
But like, would that be squatting?
That wouldn't be squatting,would it?
Or swatting, swatting orsquatting.
No, that was swatting, swatting, swatting, because you send the
swat team to their house.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
No that would not be swatting, but that would still
be really messed up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Huh, so People need to get a life.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Yeah, they do.
Indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yes, yes, they do, but we again, because we can't
do anything else.
There's a netflix documentaryI'm not gonna.
It's don't mess with cats, buttake the word mess out and
replace it with an expletiveokay, um, it is about internet
vigilantes.
There's a guy on the internetwho posts videos and photos of
him harming cats, and this groupof internet sleuths do

(01:07:49):
everything that they can totrack this man down.
They find him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Let's stop talking about this right now.
Margie's listening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Margie, don't watch it, don't watch it, Don't watch
it.
But well, she might like theending.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Margie's going to swat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
She might like the ending.
Well, you can't swat himbecause I think he's dead.
I him what?
All the cats?
No, the vigilantes.
The internet sleuths found theguy.
They were able to determine hisapartment number in this
building.
It was a whole thing.
It was crazy, but that's liferight now.
People can find anything ifthey truly, truly want it, oh
yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Scary.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
It is Alright, you want my last thought?
Gossip and drama arespiritually corrosive.
They pull people away fromunity, love and truth, the very
thing that Christ calls hisfollowers to embody.
So when we talk about peoplewho are engaging in gossip,
people who are engaging in drama, all of those things, they are

(01:08:44):
being spiritually corrosive tothe people around them and to
themselves.
They're ruining their ownfamily, because when you're
spewing that vial all the time,the people who are around you
will also continue to spew thatvial.
And then you're just wreckingeverything around you.
You know, I maybe in my message, I can't remember but when you
step into a ministry that youare not prepared for, you can

(01:09:04):
wreck that ministry Must've beenmy Sunday message.
You can wreck that ministry,must've been my Sunday message.
You can wreck that ministry.
And so many people just cannotunderstand that.
And that's why, because theyare spiritually corrosive but
they don't even realize it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Whose phone is that?
It's so easy to feel?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's not mine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
It is loud.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It's probably Roger's .

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
It probably is Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
He doesn't even know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
It's so easy to feel justified in the moment.
Well, it's not gossip.
This isn't gossip.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I'm not gossiping.
I'm just telling you the truth.
It's not gossip.
If it's true, well, how do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
you know it's true.
Well, so-and-so told me.
I heard it third-hand.
It's got to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I read it on.
Facebook.
I read it on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Oh it's gotta be true if it's on Facebook, and that's
why Alva Mackey hates Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
We were Alyssa and I were talking.
The other day.
Florence used to call it toFacebook.
Yeah, right Because when you'relooking at Facebook, you're
seeing the picture perfectfamilies with all of the
beautiful, their Easter theirEaster and their Christmas
standing at church with theirBibles in hand and doing all of
the things.
And what you're not seeing isthe fight that they had right
before they took that picture,because all the kids were

(01:10:10):
untucked their shirts and weremessing up their hair and kick
their shoes off and had grassstains on there.
You aren't seeing any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Wouldn't get out of the car to go into the church,
wouldn't take the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Only seeing the pretty, you're only seeing the
positive, and that is what hascreated this false sense of um
life.
I guess, just truthfully, inthe world you know it also
causes so much depressionbecause oh, that's what I'm
saying, oh yeah well, my life'snot that good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Why is their life good and mine's not?
I get that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I get that a lot.
Well, you drive, you drive abrand new tesla, or you have
this, or you just bought a brandnew house, or whatever.
People say those things to meall the time, like, right, I
work hard for those things,that's not, those aren't given
to me.
No, I work hard for thosethings, but God has also blessed
me.
Okay.
So this is one of my favoritethings in the whole wide world.
Have any of you ever seen mywedding ring?

(01:11:01):
No, so super beautiful weddingring.
I'll just show that one to you,just pass it around.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Yeah, just pass it around, get a good look at it,
don't drop it, don't hurt it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I don't want any damage to it.
I can see it's round.
Okay, I can see that it's round, so what's interesting about
that is I wear that regularly.
How old is this?
That is well, that's almost OGto Alyssa and I's marriage 13?
.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
It just looks like something from the 1950s yeah
okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Well, that was why I liked it, because I wanted
something that embodied how Ifeel about myself.
I'm much older than I look.
That's my feeling, and so Iwill beat you right now, Roger.
So Alyssa had gotten a weddingring upgrade a couple of years
into our marriage, and so then Igot one.

(01:11:55):
Here's the thing when you lookat that, you're like man, he's
got it together right.
All of that is fake.
That is sterling silver andcubic zirconia.
None of it is real.
But people all the time likeman, you got it like that.
I'm like nope, sure don't.
But ain't it purdy?
I don't have to have everythinggenuine, right?
And now they're selling cubiczirconia as lab-created diamonds

(01:12:17):
and they're trying to convinceyou that it's not the exact same
thing I can get on Amazon for$12.
I think this ring costs $22.
I'm not kidding, I think it was$22.
No, Alyssa's is real and it wasa lot more than that.
But I don't need everything.
But people assume that becauseI have nice things and I live a

(01:12:38):
certain way, that we have all ofthese means and that, oh,
whatever.
When you say that to somebodyelse, though, when you take that
information, we pay our pastortoo much.
That's one that we have heardCouncil members know.
No, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I know you don't, and then if we don't pay you enough
, that means you're doing a poorjob?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yes, exactly, there's always this reflection of how a
pastor appears and dresses andshows up and whether they have
to work or whether they don'thave to work.
It's just sick.
It is really disgusting thatpeople would be that way because
you don't know the truth.
You don't have all of the facts.
We prioritize different thingsthan other families do.

(01:13:17):
We prioritize our soccer games,our dance recitals our like the
things that Alyssa and I didn'tget to have as kids.
We embrace that for our kidsand sometimes that means yes, I
have to pay somebody to comehelp us clean our house.
I'm sorry if you think I've gottoo much money because I can do
that, but that's not the case.
But you hear that you assume it.
You make it into a much biggerstory.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
And it's just not true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
It's just simply not true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
I'm just hoping that my best friend cleaned mine when
she went and got hot dogs today.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
She goes didn't happen, Didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
I was out in my yard pulling some weeds before I went
.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Hey, if you want to stop by my house.
You can pull weeds in mine too.
Listen, we had the flower bedsedged and we've got all the
grass.
That was like cause.
We had them widened a littlebit but there was still grass in
where the edge and we didn'tpay to have it pulled, Cause you
know I ain't got it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I got it, but not like that.
Yeah, I got it, I got it, butnot like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
And so all of those weeds were there.
So we pulled one whole side.
It was 10 lawn bags, thosepaper lawn bag 10.
And so then the garbage men hadto lift those up and they were
so stinking heavy.
So then the next week we hadsix more from the other side of
the house and I went out andhelped them lift them because I
felt terrible, we've still gotthe back, we've probably got
another six off the backside ofthe house.
So crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I hate weeds.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
My flower bed still has fall leaves in them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I just pulled out.
Leaves in my flock like thecreeping one, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I tend to.
I leave them there, you know,all winter, and pull them out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, because the bees are still living in there,
the bugs are still living inthere.
You're supposed to wait untilspring is really spring before
you start doing that, but Idon't really care.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
But, like I said, by the time I get home, oh yeah, I
agree.
Well, not just that, but I toldDawn.
I said I swear there's a windtunnel in that driveway in the
evening.
If I do it in the evening, asfast as I'm raking them out,
they're blowing back in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I cleaned out the garage the other day.
We took everything out, wereorganized, we put some hooks
up to hang up the shovels andwhatnot on the back of the
garage.
So we swept out the garage byhand with the broom and then,
once we got it out, to thedriveway, used the leaf blower
out, the wind started blowingand blew it all back in the
garage.
Every bit of it back in thegarage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Welcome to Jaday.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
I'm like what, why, why did it have to be that way?
Why did it have to be that way?
And I'm talking?
It was a lot of leaves from thefall and since we didn't have
power yesterday, I had tomanually Uppy Downy.
That's a technical term Forthose of you who aren't in
garage door business, it is the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Uppy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Downy.
What is an Uppy Downy?
It's the Uppy Downy.
It's the thing that makes thedoor go, uppy Downy.
So I didn't reconnect it to theUppy Downy, and so when I
backed out this morning I pushedthe button to make it go Downy
and it didn't go Downy becauseit's not connected to the Uppy.
So I'm thinking I've been goneall day.
You know, all that stuff is inthe garage at this point like

(01:16:11):
everything is in the garage.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
No, not against the upy downy.
No, the upy downy is on theceiling, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
I had to fix our upy downy like three days after we
moved in.
The garage door wouldn't go allthe way down.
We couldn't figure out why.
Apparently, whoever installedthe garage door forgot to
tighten the bolts in the armthat.
L arm that holds it in there.
And so the bolt had popped out.
It was laying in the drivewayand the nut was laying on the
inside of the garage and I waslike why does this thing?
Why is it acting like that?
So I just looked at a pictureof one installed properly and

(01:16:46):
I'm like a bolt definitely fellout.
So I grab the flashlight and Iwalk out in the driveway, find
the bolt, I put it back in.
I have to get it reconnected tothe upy downy because we were
manually using it at that pointbecause we didn't really have a
choice.
So I get it reattached and thenyou have to reset, like how far
it goes down how far it comesup.
I was like this is complicated.
So we bought our house.

(01:17:06):
We moved in a couple of weeksbefore the people who bought the
one right behind us, about fourdays in their garage door, did
the exact same thing.
Did you help him with his upand downing?
So listen, so before I realizedthat he was already fixing it,
because I knew exactly what waswrong with it, I was like you
just need to find the bolt, justfind the bolt.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
But yeah, so his upy downy was broke too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
I'm a professional up and down.
Yeah, I should go get a job atWayne Garage Door because I
obviously know a lot aboutgarage doors.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Uppy downy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Put that on your resume.
Yeah, certainly, uppy downyexpert Operates.
Upy downy, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I know how to fix an upy downy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I know how to fix a little flappy arm.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah, Flappy arm.
Yeah.
Well, that got sideways, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Roger's going to die.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Oh boy, oh boy.
So if you've made it, this faron the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Again, thank you for listening.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Wait for the gossip to come out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Downey fixed, just call Pastor his teeth are gonna
fall out.
His chest is red.
He's crying you wait.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Now we'll be able to really tell who listens you.
Wait Now, we'll be able toreally tell who listens If
anybody says Uppy Downy in thenext week You're like, you're
the real MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
How are you feeling today?
I'm a little up Uppy Downy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
You know Uppy Downy.
Hey, for those who arelistening for those who are
listening.
For those who are listening, Iwill work that into my sermon
for you on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Sunday.
I was about to ask if you couldUppy Downy will happen in my
sermon this Sunday, but it can'tbe like.
It has to be like a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
It'll be subtle, it can't be something about the
Uppy Downy.
No, no, no, no, it'll be subtlehow is everyone this week.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Are we upy downy Nope .

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I'm going to actually use it in the sermon, like in
the message.
I've got the perfect spot forit already in my mind.
He already knows.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I've already got a spot in my mind for it.
It'll be perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
See how many people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
That is perfect.
That's a true sign of an upydowny expert.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yes, I know exactly how to talk about an Uppy Downy,
where to put an Uppy Downy, howto put a bolt in the Uppy Downy
.
Oh, it's turning to bright, oh,oh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I need a paper bed.
Oh Lord, someone might have totake Roger home tonight.
Follow him home, he needs somenitrous oxide or something.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
He's going to be breathing in reality.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Make it even more funny.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
Bring your round paper bag on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Just don't give me a black plastic one, alright, so.
I thought you were going to saya black body bag.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Well, that'll be, that's last.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Okay, so it's actually.
Don's turn to pray, yeah,because there's been this whole
Skippy game.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
Yes, because I was on vacation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Skippy, skippy, this whole upy-downy game Skippy duty
Skippy around, skippity,skippity hey.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Oh Jesus.
All right, roger can't read.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
B.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
One Green.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
There's not a one, there's an, a Green, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Are we ready, ready?
Okay, it's the Uppy Downy.
It's ready Like handy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Don't forget to slide the Uppy Downy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Get the Uppy Downy, are we?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
ready.
I think that's the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
I don't hear no music .

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Lord, get us out of here.
Oh, dear precious HeavenlyFather, we come to you, dear
Lord.
Thank you, lord, that we cancome around this table and we
can have this great belly laugh.
Lord Jesus and Lord God, I justpray that you know, gossip
betrays confidence.
Lord, god, let us not criticizeeach other.

(01:21:28):
Lord, let us not judge.
Let us obey your laws.
Lord Jesus, let us walk awaywhen we are in those situations.
Lord, lord, let us show grace.
Let us give your mercy andgrace, lord Jesus.
Lord, let us seek your will inyour way.
Give us the discernment, lord,to know when we need to walk
away.
Don't let us bear false witnessto our neighbors.

(01:21:52):
Lord Jesus, let us show yourlove.
Lord, lord, I just thank youagain for this platform.
Lord Jesus and Lord, I praythat we all have traveling
graces home and that you bringus back at the next appointed
time.
Lord Jesus, in all these things, we ask and pray in your son's
most precious and holy name.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Amen.

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