Hosanna, Save Us!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, believe it or not , I have about $3,000 worth of
shows on the books right now.
So the rule is is I have tohave at least some of the money
in hand and then I have to haveenough on the books to pay for
it.
So I called Alyssa and I saidlisten, I really want to do it.
Her and I have talked about ita million times and she says you
don't have enough money yet.
You don't have enough money yet.

(00:20):
Well, now I had more thanenough, so I bought it white.
It is white, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can't wait.
I I did buy this when used.
So this is coming from ajumpsuit maker out of thailand
that I've never bought from um,but it's a, a guy that I've
purchased other pieces from inthe past.
So, oh, I haven't seen, Ihaven't touched it myself, but

(00:41):
he sent me all pictures, videos,all that fun stuff.
He's a little bit bigger thanme, so I'm going to have to make
some minor adjustments to itonce it comes.
Well, yeah, but you might fitinto it Ultimately, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
At this point, I probably could.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Ultimately, even if it needs some minor alteration,
it's still I bought it brand newchange.
So, yeah, yeah, I can't waitfor it to come.
How long is it gonna take?
It's coming from australia.
So what are you wearing to theshow?
Which show, which show?

(01:12):
Oh, I'm gonna take all of them,because after each competition,
after each round, so if I gofrom round one to round two, I'm
changing jumpsuits.
I'm going, I'm going to roundtwo with a fresh jumpsuit.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I can see Easton being your like.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Roadie.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, like how you're like with golf, you've got your
little cap.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, he carries the wig bag and the
sideburns.
Yeah, I'm really excited tokick off.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
What are you going out there first?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
What am I going to wear?
Wear first.
So that's really hard because Ihaven't fully decided.
I think it's gonna be the tiger.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I think it's gonna be the tiger what do you think
like the most people will comeout in like uh, black fireworks,
aloha and spectrum those threesuits are.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
They're affordable.
I would say Aloha.
Well, not a lot of people wearAloha.
Do you guys hear crackling inyour ears?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think I did.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Or is it just me?
Anyhow, aloha, while it is notthe cheapest suit, it's the most
iconic and recognizable, yeah,yeah.
So people lean on that as aGo-to.
Yeah, you hearing it.
I hear that.
On that as a go-to.
Yeah, you hearing it.
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I wasn't touching anything.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Let's do this, not this time.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Excuse me, not this time I muted.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Dawn and Beth.
Since they're not here thisevening, where are they at?
Dawn is on vacation, dawnheaded to Florida and Beth said
she got held up at work so shewasn't gonna be able to make it.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
So hmm she can't do it without dawn, can she?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
well, um, I covered some of our tonight's topic in
last week's message.
But I ended up not preachinglast week's message the way it
was originally written, becauseit got a little deeper than I
felt like I wanted to do on aSunday morning.
So I pivoted a little bit.
So I want to go back to it andvisit it today.
Believe it or not, my Bible isin the sanctuary so I'm going to

(03:17):
have to go grab it real quick.
But basically we want to talkabout the name Hosanna or the
phrase Hosanna, we.
Basically we want to talk aboutthe name Hosanna or the phrase
Hosanna In our mind.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I'll go grab it.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It has kind of become , because, honestly I don't know
.
I'm going to have to look.
Oh, okay, it has become almosta name that we use for Jesus.
It's not how it was originallyintended.
So I want to jump into that,but feel free to have casual
conversation while I go get myBible.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, Nick showed up with his Bible today with tabs.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
so he's ready, oh, he's ready.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well I gotta.
I don't think those tabs arelike.
You normally have those tabs inthat location, right?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, I've moved them around because they're just,
you can put them in.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
So yeah, I've moved them around over the years.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I can't wait till I'll be able to read mine again.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's coming up.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Week from yesterday.
My follow-up would be today fora week.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
What His eye surgery.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
My eye surgery.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
That's right, forgot about that.
Yeah, how'd that go.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, I don't know, I haven't done it yet.
Oh, I can't see any better nowthan I did a week ago.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Got to have it first.
Yeah, wait, you said thefollow-up.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, that's why I thought you had it yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Evidently they want to take and check it the day
after to make sure that it'sstarting to heal or whatever.
I don't know that's starting toheal or whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I don't know.
Yeah, well, I had a surgery inone eye and I think within two
days yeah, I was back up theregetting reevaluated so yeah,
they want to make sureeverything's healing the way
it's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, but yeah but worst thing is I only get one of
them done it was really weird.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I don't know how they'll do yours.
I think mine was basically likea lasik surgery.
But the weirdest thing is youknow you're awake, yeah.
They kind of pry your eye open,yeah, and then they start
dumping all this fluid rightover top of your eye and they
just keep dumping it and it'salmost like you're drowning.
Oh like, and I didn't, theydidn't tell me beforehand, yeah,
I'd be prepared for a lot ofthis liquid to just keep.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, they didn't tell me about the liquid, but
they said that you will be awake.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So I almost felt like I was drowning.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, because I'm trying to A washboard yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I was like how long is this going to go on?
So it wasn't painful, but justthat Weird yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I just wasn't prepared for that.
Did you have to look up anddown, or whatever?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, well, they kind of kept, I think, as I recall
they just said, just keeplooking up and try to keep your
eye as still as you can keep itopen, Like don't blink, don't
move around a whole lot, and I'mlike, okay, that shouldn't be
too hard.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But then they start dumping that water at me
continuously and I'm like I feellike I'm drowning.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I guess you're going to play Pinochle I feel like
you've got a lot of explainingto do, he came back.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah he's like I couldn't find my Bible, so we're
just going to play.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Pinochle.
Where's the white rabbit?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Two decks of cards.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
yes, so Easton's grabbing my bag out of the car,
I think.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
He got sidetracked.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, see, then in two weeks I can go get it done
again, get the other one done,but it's going to be three weeks
because I'm going to NorthCarolina and I don't want to—it
would have been on a Monday.
We're leaving on Thursday to goto North Carolina, so I don't
want to—it would have been on aMonday.
We're leaving on Thursday to goto North Carolina, so I didn't
want to— so you're going todrive with one eye to North
Carolina.
Well, hey, I'm driving with oneeye anyway.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I say one eye is better than no eyes, like you're
currently doing.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, so I don't know where my Bible is at.
I have mine that I keep at home, my good one that I keep at
home, but my preaching Bible isnormally between here and the
sanctuary.
I probably took it home with me.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I was going to say I didn't see it in the— when is he
at?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
He's got your bag.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Is he still outside?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
As far as 50 feet from where we're standing 50
feet from where we're standing.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
So when my sister shy , she had a lazy eye and they
did a surgery when she was like3 and they said they might have
to come or 3 or 4, but theymight have to go back in and do
it later on like in life.
Well, she got it done when shewas like 16 or 17, but I do know
like she was put under for thatone because I can remember it
was like like Cody Garbrandt waslike fighting that night.
She was like 16 or 17, but I doknow like she was put under for
that one because I can rememberit was like like cody garbrandt

(07:48):
was like fighting that night.
She's like, oh yeah, cody'sgonna fight, gonna knock him out
, like she was hilarious.
So I don't.
I like I wonder what thedifference is like when they put
people out and I think theymight have had to like cut one
of her muscles.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So maybe that was why .
Probably why yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
They have to do any snipping.
Yeah, they'll put you out forthat one.
So you say she was acting likethat because of the surgery,
because of the drugs.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, the drugs.
Yeah, she was.
It was funny.
What would she say?
Very emotional when we weretaking her.
That was, for her was funny andthen she was.
What did she say Like veryemotional when we were taking
her?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That was for her wisdom teeth.
She was like.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Who was that Shy Shy.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
She's like I just want Cody to win.
We're like yay, We've gotvideos.
We've got videos to prove it.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
All right, nick, kick us off.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
What do you got over there?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You've got lots of little markings there.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I want to kind of see where you wanted to take this.
I have no predetermineddestination, oh, all right,
that's why we have to do itagain, because he messed up
Sunday.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, okay, did we just start recording, or have we
been recording?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, it's been recording.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Okay, so I think we'll just start with as you
said.
Now we use Hosanna almost as aname for Jesus, but of course,
that wasn't the originaltranslation or meaning.
I believe the original Hebrewtranslation is save us.
And as Jesus is, you know,coming through Jerusalem during

(09:19):
Passover, all the people in thecrowd, that's what they're
shouting Hosanna, king of David,things like that.
Save us is basically whatthey're saying, but they don't
quite have the meaning that wethink of when we think of Jesus
and saving us.
They're thinking of this inmore terms of an actual set us

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free from Roman rule.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
He wasn't here on Sunday.
This is my Sunday message.
I preached that exact statementon Sunday.
This is my Sunday message.
I preached that exact statementon Sunday.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
So you know, I just think, if you read into this
what's going on during thePassover and what happens
directly after, it's just thisperfect storm that's happening
that sends Jesus to the cross.
All of these things have tocome together, and part of it is
these same people who areshouting, you know, Hosanna,

(10:10):
save us, and are praising Jesusas he comes into Jerusalem will
be the same people that condemnhim.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Crucify.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah.
And it's because we have tobelieve that it's like oh, we
thought you were going to dothis and you know, and you
didn't.
And right now it's like youdon't have.
In my eyes.
I think they're thinking well,he didn't have anything to show
for showing up here and claimingto be the king, because he

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doesn't save us.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
So there were two groups of people standing there
that day.
So there were two groups ofpeople standing there that day.
They're all waving their palmsand throwing their coats on the
ground and yelling Hosanna,Hosanna, Son of David, all of
those things.
There's one, half of them, orone group of them, one pocket of
them that believes and knowswhat he's going to do, because
they know what he's capable of.
The other group is yellingHosanna, Hosanna, save us from

(11:04):
Caesar, not from sin.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, right, and that is the difference.
Yes, and the first set is likehis followers.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Correct.
The people who know who he is,the people who have bore witness
to the miracles, the people whohave seen the woman with the
issue of blood, the people whohave seen all of the miracles,
jairus's daughter, all of thethings that he has done, the
raising of Lazarus.
They're the ones who know whathe's capable of.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
But there's also a third group, okay, which is the
high priests.
Yes, and of course, their mainconcern is, you know, jesus is
going to cause this uprising andhe is going to ruin our good
situation that we have here inthe temple.
And I wanted to get intoCaiaphas a little bit because I

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think he's an interesting partof the story that he basically
says and a lot of people takethis as he's prophesying what
Jesus is going to do he's sayingis it better for one man to die
, you know, for Israel, forJerusalem, than let the whole
nation perish?
And a lot of people say, oh,he's predicting what Jesus is

(12:13):
going to do.
On the cross, but that's notreally what he's saying?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
He's saying kill him and let all of us live our lives
the way we want to live them.
Let's sacrifice him in order tokeep the peace to keep the.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Romans happy.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Because if you know anything about Caiaphas, he's
hired by the Romans to be thehigh priest.
Yes, you know, that's how hecomes into his situation, and I
think at this point he is thelongest standing high priest in
the temple, and why lose thatposition?
So he's got a lot to lose youknow, if he buys into what Jesus
is selling, he's going to losehis whole situation.

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And I believe Caiaphas he isshould I say he's the highest
priest.
He is the one that actuallygoes behind the curtain in the
temple, and it's said thatbehind that curtain there's the
Ark of the Covenant and then, ofcourse, there is the actual
presence of God and he controlsall of those covenant, and then,
of course, there is the actualpresence of God and he controls
all of those things.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you know pay no attention to the man behind the
curtain.
Yeah, wizard of Oz, that'sactually what I was thinking.
That's what it makes me thinkabout.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
It also makes me think about when, uh, the Grinch
is trying to scare the kids offthe mountain.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
He's got that big mask Of course the dog was
barking into it.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
It's kind of like what Caiaphas is doing, you know
.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
But uh, so yeah, when you think about it.
Um cause, if you go into thatstory, you know Jesus is upset
and turns the tables in thetemple for the second time and.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
It must've been playing Monopoly.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, a lot of people don't understand that what's
going on in the temple is thatwhen all these people come to
Jerusalem for the Passover,they're exchanging their—a lot
of people are exchanging money,but what's happening is the
exchange of money is—they'reexchanging what they have, but

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it's actually.
How do I explain this?
Help me out here.
The exchange is higher for thepriests who deal with the Romans
, so they'll make money offevery transaction.
Yes, when they're changingtheir money in for their taxes.
Like interest the priests andall that.
They're making money, yeah,every time.
And then also they're sellinganimals.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
For sacrifice, for sacrifice.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
So, they're making a lot of money off of selling
sacrificial animals.
So again they've got a lot ofthings stocked up in this temple
.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And so what?
They've taken the temple—so Iwant to be very clear, because I
think this is a funconversation to have about Jesus
, because a lot of people arelike well, jesus got mad.
Jesus' anger was righteous.
There was a difference betweena righteous anger and just being
mean, right.
So he saw what was happening inGod's house, he saw what was
happening in the temple and theyturned it into a den of thieves

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.
We're selling sacrificialanimals, we're exchanging money,
we've turned this into amarketplace rather than a place
of worship, and that's why hewas angry.
And the anchor wasn't even whyare you doing this?
It's how dare you do this?
He knew why they were doing it,he understood what was

(15:16):
happening, but he was trying toget them to see that it was
wrong.
And you know I think, becausewe can all speculate what
happened.
Can you read between the lines?
But he flips a table, people go, what's going on?
And then they go right back toexchanging money and selling
animals and really nothingchanged.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
It doesn't stop the party, right?
No, yeah, so yeah, so it's.
You know, caiaphas, he's goingto pretty much head up this.
You know, he's going to be theone that really tries to

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influence people to.
We need to kill this guy.
And I read too, which I wastrying to actually find it in
scripture, scripture, butthere's this idea that they also
want to kill lazarus because?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
because he was big.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
But yeah, he's a big, but because he is the one um
true physical example of whatjesus has done.
And if they let lazarus live,if people continue to see
lazarus, I've heard that they'llbuy into that yeah yes um,
because he talks about the factthat you know everybody's like.

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Well, jesus didn't go to lazarusright away, he waited four days
.
Well, they say in custom.
The reason he waited four dayswas because they believe that
the spirit stayed with the bodyfor up to four days after a
person died.
So Jesus knew this and knewthat if he did it beforehand,

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people would say whoa, hisspirit hasn't left his body yet.
So what's the big deal?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
He's not really dead, he's not really dead.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
So he knew he had to in order to perform that miracle
, to prove his point.
He had to wait that time out todo that.
So now you have Lazarus, whoyou know is alive.
You know people know who he isand he's going to be that
example.
So there is, you know, historyof the scripture where they're

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talking about the fact that theyalso want to seek Lazarus out
and kill him as well.
So it's a lot more complexstory than we just think of
Jesus going into Jerusalem andpalm leaves.
It's a great occasion, but it'sso complex there's a lot going

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on.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, let's go back to the original use of Hosanna
in the Old Testament.
It's Psalms 118.25.
Let's see here so I'm readingNew Living Translations.
It says Please Lord, pleasesave us, please Lord, please
give us success.
So the save us in—let me getback to my notes here, because I

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didn't preach any of this onSunday.
There's a lot of this that Ididn't preach.
Uh, the new Testament is written, was first written in Greek,
and the old Testament waswritten in Hebrew.
So the Hebrew word for save uswas Hosanna.
Now it's not spelled the waythat.
Yes, it is spelled the way thatwe spell Hosanna, because then
when they move into the newTestament, they spell it
differently but they use lettersto make it sound like Hosanna.

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So it sounds the same but it isnot spelled the same.
Then, when we translated it toEnglish, we took back the
original Hebrew spelling ofHosanna.
But we have I don't want to saymanipulated, but we have taken
that word save us, we've broughtit into the New Testament and
we've put a positive spin on it,which is fine.

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I don't think there's anythingwrong with that.
But I think for us, knowingwhat happened, it's easy to do,
it's easy for us to look at that.
Interpret that as they were.
Praise be.
Interpret that as they were.
Praise be glory to God.
He sent the Messiah, yada yada,but likely in the moment it was
.
Save us from Caesar.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was save us from oppression.
It was save us from thephysical, not the spiritual.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
And then a small corner of people.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, the pocket of people who actually believe that
he was the Messiah and thepeople who believe because he
prophesied his death andresurrection three different
times to the disciples and everytime they would question what
he was talking about becausethey didn't fully understand.
Now the hard part is, is Jesusspoke in parables a lot, right.

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So if he's telling you that theson of man must die, but in
three days he'll rise again,well, yeah, we're all going to
rise again.
Just like when he resurrectedLazarus, he told them that
Lazarus isn't dead, he's onlysleeping.
Lazarus will rise again.
Well, of course he will.
In the last days, and yada, yada, they make this debate with

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Jesus.
But I know, lord, whatever yousay, whatever you say is what
will happen.
So they get it.
But they don't get it get it.
And so I can't imagine, becauseI would think that even if we,
if you told the whole worldtoday that the word Hosanna

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meant save us and Jesus iscoming again, they would
probably shout Hosanna.
But thinking that they're goingto be saved from drug addiction
, that they're going to be savedfrom the physical and not the
ultimate salvation of death on across so that we would have
everlasting life.
We can't always comprehend thegrandeur of that statement you
think about.
Why are all those people goingto Jerusalem in the first place?
Yes, we can't always comprehendthe grandeur of that statement.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, Well, you know you think about why are all
those people going to Jerusalemin the first place?
Yes, you know of course they'regoing to pay their taxes.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Pay taxes.
I don't want to pay their taxesRight.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
So hey, save us yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
It's time to show up here and pay these taxes.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
That's very true.
I they got big expectations,yeah, and they're not thinking
about you know what he's goingto do.
They have no idea and, like hesaid, I think even some of his
disciples aren't quite sure whathe's talking about.
So it's and you're speakingabout.
You know Jesus speaking inparables.

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You know he this is.
He knows what he's doing.
He knows if he comes straightout and just says is real
aggressive with people and justtells people straight out what
he's going to do how he's goingto do it.
And, uh, he knows he's not.
You'll get your point across,but it's not going to have the

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same effect, Right?
And also, he knows that they'relooking for anything.
He'll say that will accuse him.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Of being a false prophet.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And let's let's be real.
Jesus was intelligent, evenwhen standing in front of I
don't remember who it was.
They asked are you the Messiah?
And he said you have said it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Annas, you have said it.
He didn't say it himself.
You have said it.
He did not say yes, you havesaid it.
But I would also like to pointout he said the exact same thing
to Judas.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So Judas said is it?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
me Lord.
Yeah, you have said it.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, and he had the parable.
I can't quote it, but more orless he's speaking about.
Okay, how many times has Godhimself sent the right people
into this world to do his work?
And the world has doneeverything they can to destroy
him.
So he gets up to John theBaptist.
He doesn't say his name, butthey all know who he's talking

(22:43):
about.
Right.
So he's telling him like, yeah,I can give you all these
examples in parable form of howthe world has rejected you know
god's word and and the men thatwere sent here to follow his
word and do his work, and you'vedestroyed every single one of
them.
And he's counting himself inthat parable.

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Yeah, you know but he's notcoming straight out and saying
you know, yeah, you killed Johnthe Baptist and you did this and
you did that, you know, becauseat the end of the day you
wouldn't get your point across.
And, like I said, and then oncethey see that you're angry, once
they know that they've got youoff balance, then he knows they
can use that against him.
So he's very careful about thewords he chooses and I think

(23:28):
Lincoln was always good at that.
I think he got that examplefrom the Bible.
Usually, when he wanted to geta point across, he usually told
a story instead of comingstraight out and saying you need
to do this or you need to dothat, or you know.
He always made people thinkabout the situation Ronald
Reagan did that a lot to get hispoint.
So it's a very useful, you know,uh, tactic tactic.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah well, you know it's.
It's a great diffusing tool,because you're trying to get me
to say something that I'm notgoing to say.
So let me tell you a story.
And then I did it's more it's.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's like um, you, I'm not going to argue with you,
but I'm going to say it in away that you can't argue with me
.
Yes, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right.
So I had somebody—this jumpsoff of topic just slightly—but I
had somebody reach out to meand they say Okay, so I'm doing
my daily reading and it talksabout God separating the seas of
the heavens from the seas ofthe earth and how he's created
the earth.
And all of this time they saidwhere did God come from?
Which is like the ultimatequestion right Now.

(24:32):
This is a text message and myresponse is it is not something
that I can answer in a textmessage, but think of it this
way Imagine your life, my lifeand the world like a book.
Right, it's hard for us tocomprehend.
If you read a book and youreally love that book, it's hard
for you to comprehend anythingbefore that book or anything

(24:52):
past the end of that book,because it has a beginning and
an end, a definitive beginningand a definitive end, unless the
author writes a prequel, unlessthe author writes a sequel,
there is no beginning oranything before that beginning
or anything past that end.
But there is something past thebeginning and the end of that
book and that is the life of theauthor, the story of the author

(25:13):
.
The author has a life that theylive, they are living and
breathing and doing something,but you can't comprehend it
because all you get is asnapshot inside of the pages of
that book.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
And they were like okay, all right, but because I'm
not going to debate it, I'm notgoing to argue how God existed,
because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
But I can tell you that.
Well no one knows Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
But if you can prove to me thathe didn't, okay, let's have a
conversation.
You can prove to me that hedidn't, okay, let's have a
conversation.
But no Big Bang Theory is evergoing to convince me, because
explain to me how the Earth sitsperfectly on its axis at just
such a place that we don't allspin off, that nothing falls
like, the water stays on.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's really hard to explain all of that away, I mean
even the tidal waves, based onhow the axis is on certain
seasons, like you just like.
How does this all line up?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
well, the fact that the tide knows to rise and set
to, to rise and fall, with the,the rising and the setting of
the sun and the moon, that'sdivine creation.
Yeah, think of all of thecreatures that exist and the
reasons that they exist.
That is divine creation.
Now, I am obsessed with Noahright now because of our reading
.
Did you read my little?

(26:29):
thing, Like wicked obsessed withNoah right now, because I'm
going to see if I can find thatreal quick.
So I read the young adults ofthe church have a Bible study
that we're doing together.
It's basically a Bible 365.
So you try to get the wholeBible in a year, but yesterday

(26:50):
we were in Genesis 4, 5, and 6.
And so here's what I wrote as Ifinished reading Nope, that's
not it, it was day.
Was it day three or was it dayone?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Today's day three.
Yeah, what day was it?
It wasn't day one.
That was your TED talk.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Oh, yes, it was.
Oh, it was no day two.
I'm sorry, it was day two.
I thought that it was great thatwe, in this particular passage
it said the sons of God sawbeautiful women and took them as

(27:27):
they wanted, as their wives.
Then the Lord said my spiritwill not put up with humans for
such a long, and I was like lovethat right, because it helps to
explain why Noah lived for 500years, but not everybody.
We don't do that now.
But here's what I was thinkingGod knew creation had gone
wicked and he committed tomaking it right by flooding the

(27:49):
world.
But Noah found favor.
So even in my wickedness, I'mpraying to find favor with God
that I might be spared from theextermination of evil in this
world, and I'm praying for eachof us to find a way forward that
is closer to Christ and furtherfrom the world.
Think about that in the termsof then Jesus coming right.

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So Noah found favor with God.
And to find favor with God, iteven says that he was the only
blameless man on earth.
He still spared his family,while they may have been
blameless, because Noah was theonly blameless, so by proxy they
got to be saved.

(28:32):
So we get through all of theOld Testament we get through the
birth, the life of the deathand the resurrection of Jesus so
that we might have everlastinglife.
But we don't find favor in thephysical, we don't find favor in
what we do.
We find favor to God throughwhat Jesus did on the cross.

(28:52):
That's mind blowing to thinkthat it's really so simple.
It is really so, very simple.
I heard somebody say that Godis not waiting for for a perfect
church to return.
He's waiting for the church todesire his return Because I
think, speaking about a majority, the church does not want Jesus

(29:18):
to return, right, because whenhe does, there's going to be
some level of accountability.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
And maybe a lot to lose.
Yes, and because you, I've doneall of the things, but Lord,
I've prophesied in your name,lord, a lot to lose.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes, and because you, I've done all of the things.
But, lord, I've prophesied inyour name, lord, I've prayed in
your name.
Lord, I've cast out demons inyour name.
Depart from me, for I neverknew you.
And you look at him and you say, say what?
But I just told you I did allof those things in your name.
And right, you did all of thosethings so that you would get

(29:54):
your way.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, you said my name.
Yes, you did all of thosethings, but I never knew you
because you were never, inrelationship with me?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
yep, then we can get into a whole thing about
prophecy and casting out demonsand a whole nother.
There are people who are notcorrect.
I don't want to say it that way.
That sounds terrible.
And you know, touch notmineointed People who operate in
those giftings, who don't knowhow to operate strictly in their
lane.
Okay, so the prophetic typicallydoes not bring correction

(30:22):
that's usually the apostolic andthere are lanes that everybody
stays in.
But you will meet people whooperate in the prophetic who
think that they can bringcorrection, and what they do is
they create chaos because nowthey've set a fire that somebody
else has to extinguish, and ithappens all the time.
I mean, I would guess that ifyou go to Kenneth Copeland's

(30:45):
Sunday service and they'rebringing people up on stage and
he starts praying for people,then they go back to their home
church because most of thosepeople aren't planted there.
They're there to visit becauseit's Kenneth Copeland.
They go back to their churchand they say well, you know,
kenneth told me he said this orhe spoke this and he spoke that.
The problem is, is he's tryingto get you to open your

(31:05):
checkbook?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Your pastor is trying to get you to open your
checkbook.
Right, right, right.
Your pastor is trying to getyou into heaven.
There is a difference, and Idon't blame mega churches for
their because they need tooperate Right, but I do say that
when it's become a business andit's more about operations than
it is about salvations, you'vedefinitely got a disconnect in
what ministry actually means.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
It has to be looked at from a business standpoint,
because you have to be able topay the bills, keep the building
open, yeah.
But I would say this if youwere genuinely worried about
money like if you were likewe're going to give away half of
everything that we make, youwouldn't have a private jet, you
wouldn't have a multi-billiondollar building.
You know what I mean.
You wouldn to do stadium toursaround the United States and
sell them out.
You're not worried aboutsalvation, you're worried about

(31:51):
a business model, a financialstandpoint.
I heard that Hillsong Churchhas their own record label.
They produce, they write,produce all of their own music.
That's mind-blowing.
That is mind-blowing to me.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Isn't it Elevation, I think.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Elevation also does.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
They have their own.
It's two separate.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yes, and they may have combined at some point.
I don't know.
But it's wild to me to think,though, that there is this
existence of churches that areso big that they can really run
separate businesses on the side,and those businesses support
the church right.
So I've always said here if wecould afford to build storage
buildings out on that littlepiece of land we have up by the
road, we would 100% do it Buildthe buildings, rent the

(32:37):
buildings.
That money then supports thechurch and I no longer need your
money.
Any money that comes in thengets to be turned around and
spent back in the communityDoesn't mean you still shouldn't
tithe Right?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
no, but it would be more of a pillow.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
That money now gets spent in missions and gets to go
back to the community versusoperating a building.
Okay, sorry, we got off topicfor a second.
What else we got, nick?
You got any more markers overthere?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Well you were talking about.
Well, you were talking about.
Well, we were talking aboutAnnas and what Jesus Annas was.
I think he was the high priestbefore Caiaphas, but he's still
operating.
And of course, jesus is taken toAnnas first before he's taken

(33:29):
to Caiaphas.
And Annas is questioning himabout his disciples and about
his teachings and Jesus has tosay he says I have spoke openly
to the world.
He says I always taught insynagogues or at the temple
where all the Jews together.

(33:51):
I said nothing in secret, sowhy question me?
Ask all those who heard me.
Surely they know what I said.
If I said something wrong,testify as to what is wrong.
But if I spoke the truth, whydid you strike me?
And at that, annas has nothingto say and sends him on to
caiaphas.

(34:11):
So again, you know jesus is, youknow he's.
He's giving them theopportunity to you know, um,
he's giving them the opportunityto convict him and yet a lot of
times he leaves them speechless, which I think is for me.

(34:33):
That's just one of the greatparts of that whole crucifixion
story is his heart posture, theway that he handles that.
Situation is to me, situationis to me.
I'm sure that when he comesinto Jerusalem.
He's already aware that, yeah,there's going to be a small

(34:57):
group that actually believes inwhat I'm going to do, and the
rest of you, you know, are justout for you know your own
personal gain, you know for youknow your own personal gain, you
know?
And yet he's telling Ann it'slike look, you know, you can ask
any one of these people, youdon't have to ask me.
You can ask them what I'vetaught you know and they'll tell

(35:19):
you, you know.
And he's giving them theopportunity to say, okay, what
is it that I have actually saidin my teachings?
Not that I'm saying, I'm noteven saying I'm the Messiah.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'm not saying anything.
I'm just saying anything thatI've taught.
What can you say?
That you know, has has beenwrong.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's contrary to the word of God, contrary to the to
the word or the law or theprophecy or any of those.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, so he's not going in there making promises
you can't keep.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
He's not going in showboating yeah, he's not
walking in, just zapping outmiracles, which is kind of crazy
.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's crazy that he's going in like calm, cool and
collective because, when he wason Mount Olive.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Well, he's not there yet, right Mount?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Olive is afterwards right.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
So he hasn't gone there yet, but still so.
Olivis afterwards, right, yes,after.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
So he hasn't gone there yet, but he but still so
he's calm, cool and collectedbut, then he does get that
anxiety and the flesh starts tobuild up, but I mean still all
calm so when we talk about, whenwe get to this point of the of
the crucifixion, I really getwrapped up in the garden of
gethsemane.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, me too that's one of my favorite parts.
But I do want to mention, too,what he says.
He tells them in almost anotherparable that I'm going to be
lifted up and take all men uponme.
And when he says lifted up,even it took me a long time to
be like well, what's he mean?
Like going into heaven, Ithought.
well, no, I think he means whenhe's being lifted up is when
he's being put on the cross yougot it Taking the sins of all

(36:51):
man upon him, and so he tellsthem that and it's almost like
they don't get it he's trying totell them exactly what's going
to take place without justcoming right out.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
He doesn't ever look at them and say, listen, they're
going to whip me until I'mbleeding, right yeah they're
gonna run some spikes through myhands and my feet.
I'm gonna hang there incomplete embarrassment and I
need you to be okay with it andI think, since he spoke in so
many parables for the longesttime, like leading up to it.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
They didn't realize right the more blunt things that
he was trying to say.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Like yeah but I think again, I think he almost did
that on purpose, like oh yeah,you know.
I don't want to.
I don't want them going intothis with fear.
Yes, and and actually trying toimagine all of these things, or
stop it, or stop yeah, or stopit, because that's.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Peter cuts off the one soldier's ear and Jesus
tells him put down your sword,puts the ear back on.
Weird to me, but in that momentthat Roman soldier who knows
he's about to arrest Jesus islike we are not doing the right
thing right now, this is notwhat we should be doing.
And then you think about whenhe's on the cross and he says it

(38:07):
is finished.
Darkness covers the earth, theearth shakes, it trembles, it
quakes.
The veil in the tabernacle istorn from top to bottom and all
of the Roman soldiers standingon that hill realize holy crap.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
We've just messed up and he told him the temple would
be destroyed.
We've thrown lots for hisclothes.
We've just messed up and hetold him the temple would be
destroyed.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
We've thrown lots for his clothes, we've bartered to
get his belongings, we'veembarrassed him, we've done all
of these things.
There is no hope, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
No, coming back from this one, boys, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Right, okay, so just another little fun thing um, are
you guys I'm sure that you are,but probably not all of them
that you could recite off thetop of your head and I had to,
like pull them up in front of mejust to know?
So there, god was referred toin a lot of ways, so yahweh, and
that was it was supposed to, orso people will tell you it was

(39:09):
the sound of an inhale and anexhale in Jewish culture, so it
wasn't really a name as much asit was a sound.
Okay, or Jehovah, and then youcan go through all of the
Jehovah's.
You've got Jehovah.
Jireh, the Lord, who willprovide.
Now there's my favorite partabout that is everybody's like
Jireh, you are enough, but theydon't actually know what it
means.
Right, they know the word, butthey don't know what it means.

(39:30):
Jehovah Ra, the Lord, is myshepherd.
Jehovah Shalom, the Lord, ispeace.
Jehovah Nisi, the Lord, is mybanner.
Jehovah Rapha, the Lord whoheals.
I can't even say this one.
It's Jehovah T-S-I-D-K-E-N-U,so I don't even know how to say
that one.
It's for you.

(39:51):
It sounds like a sneeze.
The Lord, our righteousness,adonai, lord, master, el Elone,
the most high God, el Shaddai,god Almighty, is anybody
remember that song?
El Shaddai, el Shaddai, old one.
And Elohim is gods, the pluralreferring to the Trinity, the

(40:20):
Holy Trinity.
So I think it's fascinatingthat we have all of these names
for God and, honestly, we have alot of names for Jesus, I am.
You know.
We could go through that listall day long, list all day long.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
But we have, so, in the Easter season, landed on
Hosanna, and I blame worshipmusic Me too, and I don't know
like I've been listening toworship music a lot more
recently and like the oldersongs I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is scripture.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
It's scripture based.
This is scripture Exactly If youlisten to some of the OG
worship music 90s and earlier,you will find that they are
quoting scripture word for word,which is what you were supposed
to do.
Now we've got rattle, rattleand I get that we're talking
about the dry bones of Ezekiel,but Ezekiel's name's never

(41:07):
mentioned Exactly, and it's moreabout creating excitement.
The music is more aboutcreating excitement, and so when
I break out 90s stuff andpeople are like, oh my gosh,
this song again.
There's a reason.
There is a reason because it isscripturally based and I've
said from the pulpit before weget wrapped up in worship music
and you guys can sing every wordto you know, this is how I

(41:29):
fight my battles or you knowwhatever way maker, but you
couldn't quote scripture becausewe don't spend our time in the
word, we spend our time inworship music.
And we think it's the same thing.
But the music doesn't reflectthe word anymore.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's why we should write our own music.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Have our own record label.
Yes, we our own music, have ourown record label.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
We're going to record right here in the podcast
studio no, we'll record in thestorage in the storage unit.
Yeah, we're going to.
We'll just turn one of thestorage units that we build into
a recording studio.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm proclaiming that right now we don't have storage
units there my wife will killyou.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
She didn't want nothing to do with that.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
So when Jesus is, after he's questioned by Annas,
you know, they send him toCaiaphas.
And here's the point whereJesus will I think it's at this
point he pretty much knows likeat this point, like, okay,
everything is set in motion.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
So I can you?

Speaker 4 (42:29):
know everything is set in motion, so I can, you
know, can make a statement.
You know he's, he's with Caius,they're in the temple and they
have people start giving falsetestimony against him and they
were like.
we heard him say I will destroythis man-made temple in three
days and we'll build another notmade by man.

(42:51):
So of course, caiaphas says areyou not going to answer?
What is this testimony thatthese men are bringing against
you?
But again, jesus remainedsilent and gave no answer.
So Caiaphas again asks him areyou the Christ, the Son of the
Blessed One?
So the Caiaphas again asks himare you the Christ, the son of
the blessed one?
It's at this point that Jesussays I am, and you will see the

(43:12):
son of man sitting at the righthand of the mighty one and
coming on the clouds of heaven.
It's at that point that.
Caiaphas rips his cloth, andthat's pretty much when they
okay, it's time to send him toPilate.
So I think you know, but Ithink it's at that.
You know he for the longesttime.

(43:32):
I love the fact that, again,like he's silent and just, you
know, um, there's just somethingabout that to me.
That's just, I love that, buthe knows when it's finally time
to be like okay, I know thisyeah everything's set in motion.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
This is you know this is the time for me to yeah.
Yes, I can make my missionstatement now.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Yeah, yeah so, yeah, I think that's a cool moment too
, um and true.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I mean I'm just thinking back with like the
whole easter is our super bowlthing, but like like, yes, the
actual services, but like alsothe whole thing about it too is
like us talking about this rightnow Like I think the most
exciting and just like any timewe're talking about the Easter
week or anything like there's somuch emotion to it.

(44:20):
You know what I mean Like it'snot just a Super Bowl because of
the Easter service but, it'sjust because of everything going
on with it.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
So I look at it as the service that our church has
to be on its best, because we'regoing to see a lot of visitors
that day.
You're going to see people whohave never been to a church
before, or people who only comeonce a year or twice a year.
So we want to be on our bestbehavior, and what I mean by
that is I want to make sure thatwe're primed and ready to go,
that our tech is solid and thatour team is able to speak to one

(44:49):
another and like we're just.
It's a good flow through theservice, but it's not just
because there are going to bepeople, but the message that's
going to be preached that day isthe gospel that will save lives
.
And that's the important part.
So we're going to havepotentially unchurched people
sitting in our building onSunday morning and we need them

(45:11):
to be able to, uninterrupted,hear the gospel of Jesus Christ,
yes, to hear a salvationmessage, to hear that they are
worthy of being saved just likeevery other person sitting in
this building.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
And people who are saved or think they're saved.
I always feel that I don't carehow many times you've heard the
story, yep, I don't care howmany times you've watched the
movie.
You need to watch it one moretime.
You need to soak it all in.
You know, you really need tosee and understand exactly what
he went through Because, again,you know if you're trying to

(45:46):
bring Jesus into people's livesand on paper you say, yep, he
died on the cross for you.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
We're like okay, well , the Easter story that we read
to the kids during the Easteregg hunt is incredibly watered
down, for obvious reasons.
Right, they drove spikesthrough his hands and he was
bleeding out of his eyeballs.
Have spiked through his handsand he was bleeding out of his
eyeballs and like, obviouslywe're not telling a gory story,

(46:15):
but we're planting a seed thatallows them then to understand
okay, jesus died for my sins.
Jesus died so that I would haveeverlasting life, so long as I
accept him as my Lord and Savior.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
And not only that he died for him, but that he took
them all on yes.
Not only the physical pain thathe was going through that whole
situation, but actually takingon the sins of every living
human being for all time.
Think about that.
Just think about your own sinsand how you feel about them and
how it convicts you and how itmakes you feel.
Now put every single person'sburdens on yourself.

(46:45):
I mean imagine that.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
And then, of course, he separated from his father in
that moment, which was the worstof all of all the things that
he experienced.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
So I just think it's just so important that we, you
know, take, you know, this week,you know, don't, don't, just
don't, let it pass by.
You know, I know we've allheard the story, but you know,
you just really need to be, um,I don't care if it's in church
or wherever, wherever you feelyou need to do that.
I just think it's so importantthat you really do reflect on

(47:17):
what he's done, what he's donefor your life.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So to explain that a little bit.
So we talk about when you sin,you willingly separate yourself
from the will of God.
So Jesus, hanging on the cross,taking on the sin of the world,
has now separated himself fromGod which is the proclamation
that he makes.
Why have you forsaken me?
Because he is feeling leftvulnerable, but it's because he

(47:45):
has taken on the sins of theworld, every sin that exists in
the world.
He took upon himself in thatmoment.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
And some people say that was taken right from the
Psalm.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
It is, it is, it is.
As a matter of fact, it's Psalm22.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
That's a heavy topic to get people to fully
understand.
You know, we're talking about aGod who saves.
We're talking about a God whosaves.
We're talking about the phraseHosanna, the name Hosanna, but
people, I think oftentimes theyhear the story and they don't
really get the context forwhat's happening in the moment.
He's hanging on a cross and hesays why have you forsaken me?

(48:25):
Oh, he's probably saying thatbecause he's not really the
Messiah and he's asking God whyare you allowing me to die this
terrible?

Speaker 4 (48:33):
death.
Yeah, he's almost regretting.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Right, regretting his decision.
That is not what's happening inthat moment.
What's happening in that momentis he is really genuinely doing
all of the things he promisedthat he would do so that you
won't have to live that life.
And then what happens?
We choose to live that life.
We walk into the world, willingparticipants to the sins of the

(48:58):
world yep, but he knows that.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
That's the thing, though that's why he does it,
because he knows going in that'swhat we're going to do.
Yep, otherwise there's no needwhat's the point?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
yeah, what's the point?
He knows that.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
So if he knows that, that's the love of how much love
he has for us.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
He knows, then why do you ask why?
Why have you forsaken me?
Well, he knows that that's thelove of how much love he has for
us.
He knows, then why do you askwhy have you forsaken me?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
He says that because he has separated himself from
God.
He knows what he's doing, butit fulfills prophecy in Psalms
22.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Because think about it, he never sins.
So he never knows theseparation from God he
experiences everything else ahuman can except for that one
thing, but finally, in thatmoment, he does experience it,
but he's experiencing not justwhat would have been maybe one
person's sins, but all peoplefor all time.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
So it's in those moments that, yeah, he is
separated and basically againfulfilling the prophecy in Psalm
22, which is, again, I'm goingto paraphrase it's suffering,
but in the end it's hope andtrust in God.
So when he's why have youforsaken me?
It's a like I've separatedmyself, it's a lament.

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It's him saying you know, I'mexperiencing this pain and
suffering, but it's trust in Godto do what God has promised he
would do.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
God to do what God has promised he would do, and
the Bible has plenty of examplesof suffering being one of the
greatest exercises of your faith, of going through that
suffering and getting to thatpoint of salvation and trust in
God.
So, yeah, it's really heavy.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I think there's a lot of those examples that you were
just talking about that reflectfrom Old Testament to New
Testament.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, certainly.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
And a lot of people don't understand that either.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Right, well, yeah, he just don't come riding in on a
donkey because he thought oh,this would be cool, Right?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, you know and part of my message on Sunday was
Jesus, and I said he could havecome into Jerusalem on the back
of a unicorn if he wanted to,because if Jesus wanted a
unicorn, he make himself aunicorn, right?
He didn't come in on a blackstallion ready for war.
He came in on a donkey humblednot just any donkey, a colt

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Humble prepared for the fatethat existed for him.
He wanted everybody to knowthat when he arrived he wasn't
there to fight.
I'm not here to pick a fight.
I'm here to let God do what Godis going to do.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
And you can dig and, dig and dig.
You'll never find him doinganything out of prophecy,
anything, nope.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Everything that he is doing.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Every action that he takes, everything, every, every
step you take, it's all tofulfill prophecy.
He didn't, and it says the wordsays he did not come to to
abolish the law, but to fulfill.
And so to fulfill the prophecywas to fulfill the law, it's to
say, the things that the oldTestament has taught us have

(51:51):
been fulfilled.
I am the, the sacrificial lamb.
When I die, there is no needfor sacrificing animals.
There is no need forsacrificing, you know, burnt
offerings.
There's no need for any ofthose things anymore, because it
has been finished through me.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
So, like I know someone who's still, Well,
they're wrong.
And I'm like practices, the OldTestament.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
They're wrong.
And I'm like no, here's thething.
Those are guideposts for yourlife.
You should believe in the, the10 commandment.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
It's not like we erased the whole correct.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He didn't come to abolish, he came to fulfill.
So I should still be.
I I'm not gonna, not gonnacovet, I'm not gonna murder, I'm
not gonna those things.
But I'm not going to do thosethings because I want to live in
the will of God and I'm goingto do that by having a
relationship with Jesus.
So I am going to sin and fallshort of the glory of God.
Now, are there extremes in thatIf you murder somebody, you

(52:43):
have fallen short of the gloryof God?
It is just as easy for amurderer to be saved as it is
for somebody who is a ragingalcoholic to be saved right it
it or not?
yeah, it's hard to comprehend,but no sin is greater than any
other sin.
The Bible tells us that sin isall equal.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
And the Old Testament is the hard left hand of.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
God yes.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
And the New Testament is the soft right hand.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Well, because you have Jesus sitting there
interceding.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
At this point, jesus is living out the pain and the
suffering, and he's never sayingoh, you can forget all about
that, I'm here to create a wholenew Right.
No, he's never.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Says that yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
He's coming to fulfill God's word, but he's
asking people.
As I've said on this podcastbefore, up until this time, the
world is a really cruel placewith a lot of cruel ideas, and
nobody's talking about thisstuff.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
That's what I was going to say.
I don't think people understandthat either, but before this.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Nobody's talking about love and loving your
enemies, turning the other cheek, all of those things.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Well, no, they're crucifying people, for the love
of Pete.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
They do this for fun.
That's their Super Bowl Takingthree people up and honestly
it's a hobby.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
They hang a sign in the town square that we're
crucifying three people onfriday.
Come on out check it out.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
They get bored.
Yes, with the with the exercise.
So they start hanging themupside down and other you know.
Yeah, things just well they'rebored with.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
It's the same with breaking their legs and the the
spear in the sides like, oh well, we're bored now, so we got to
speed this up, let's's, let'sget along.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
We're going to be late for dinner, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, he ain't dying.
What's going on?
Let's do something to to speedthat.
And you know, like the breakingof the legs, all of those
things had in, there werereasons behind it, there was
intention behind it.
So if somebody was survivingfor too long on the cross, when
they broke their legs, itdropped their body and so it was
harder for them to breathe.
They didn't get thatopportunity with Jesus.

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They never broke a bone andprophecy said that he would
basically leave unscathed.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Here's the parable of the wicked tenants, and I was
talking about this a little bitago.
It says A man planted avineyard.
He rented the vineyard to somefarmers and went away on a
journey At harvest time.
He sent a servant to thetenants to collect from them
some of the fruit of thevineyard.
But they seized him, beat himand sent him away empty-handed.

(55:12):
Then he sent another servant tothem.
They struck this man on thehead and treated him shamefully.
He sent still another, and thatone they killed.
He sent many others, some ofthem they beat, others they
killed.
He had one left to send a sonwhom he loved.
He sent him last of all, sayingthey will respect my son.

(55:35):
But the tenants said to oneanother this is the heir, come,
let's kill him and theinheritance will be ours.
So they took him and killed himand threw him out of the
vineyard.
What then will the owner of thevineyard do?
He will come and kill thosetenants and give the vineyard to
others.
Do he will come and kill thosetenants and give the vineyard to
others?
Haven't you read this scripture?

(55:55):
The stone the builders rejectedhas become the capstone.
The Lord has done this and itis marvelous in our eyes.
So there he's, talking aboutall the people who came before
him and what the world has doneto them.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
And certainly when the sun comes, the world will
accept him and what the worldhas done to them.
And certainly when the soncomes, the world will accept him
and, alas, they still can't getit.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
They don't accept him .

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yep, and we're living in a world, still today, that
doesn't accept him for who he isand what he's done.
Yep A world who wants to benegative about him.
And you know, I wake up in themorning and I'm doing things and
I'm like, you know, every day Iwalk, this walk and every day I
have these.

(56:40):
I'm constantly meditating andpraying about something and
doing my thing and I'm like man.
What if this is all for naught?
Like what if?
And then I think to myself,what if it's not?
What if?

Speaker 4 (56:56):
what I'm just always thankful, with all the things
that I have to deal with in life, to struggle in life with that
there's always something,there's always some part of his
word uh-huh yeah that is thereto help me, yeah, through that,
yep, and I can't imagine a lifewithout that.
So for me, it's like I don'teven like question like, oh my

(57:17):
God, what if I'm right?
What if I'm wrong?
I don't have to question it,because I realize I'm not
perfect.
I make plenty of mistakes.
I've done, you know I've doneplenty of things wrong in my
life.
There's plenty of, probably,things that I would do over
again.
Maybe not do over again, but Icould.
You know, I recognize my faults, my sin, but I cannot imagine

(57:37):
not having his grace and mercyin my life to help me overcome
those things and to keep movingforward.
And that alone is enough to belike, yeah, I'm buying into this
because I I can feel it in myheart and the things that I do,
that I know it doesn't matterhow many times I mess up, it
doesn't matter how many times,you know, I have to go back and

(57:59):
and confess my sins to him.
It's like it feels right.
Well, it it, it works.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Like, not to mention, like we are so fortunate in
today's society not even thedigital thing, but like there
were people before us thatcouldn't read you know you have
to have someone read the Biblefor them or you know.
So there's that.
And then there's we.
I mean you can get on chat GBTand ask them hey, I'm struggling
with my faith because of blank.

(58:28):
Give me something to study and,you know, meditate on.
You don't even have to do chatGBT, you can look in your
glossary.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
People don't realize how fortunate we are and that's
a great thing All those peoplethat came into Jerusalem to
listen to people in the templeand listen to the high priest.
They can't learn for themselvesA lot of them probably couldn't
read.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Honestly, it still exists today In Amish culture.
While they can read the Bible,when they go to church, the
message is typically preached inGerman.
Most of them don't know what'sbeing preached, so they go to
church every other week.
Really to go to church, becausethey get up and they sing but

(59:10):
they don't sing like we sing.
It's kind of more like chantsthan it is singing.
And then they sit there onthose backless benches and
listen to somebody, sometimesfor three hours basically read
scripture in German and theydon't know what they're saying.

(59:33):
So, then they have to have achurch after church to talk with
everyone like what's that allabout?
So the young adults and I don'tknow what that age group is,
but they usually have gospelsings just as a group and they
sing contemporary worship musicor contemporary or even hymns,
but something that then they canrelate to and connect to, and
then they kind of have their ownlike this is our time together,
because we didn't get anythingfrom Sunday morning.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Well, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
No, what else is crazy?
My kids have a thing.
If you say the word crazy ormassive in our house, they'll
say you know what else is crazy,or do you know what else is
massive?
And then they'll go low.
Taper fade.
It's apparently an internetmeme.
I don't get it.
I don't pretend to get it, butthey do it a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
The new one is chicken jockey I've just heard
from the minecraft the other dayand I have no idea what yeah
it's from the minecraft moviemichael, back to what you were
saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
With the things that you're, you know, I do
everything day after day.
Pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And you know like what, if I'm doing all this,
yeah, like I get into thoserhythms every now and then but
then he sends me I mean, I'mtalking within hours, or a day
or two, he sends me somethingwhere I'm like okay, that could
have only been Mine is notreally so much that Like mine's,
like I'm doing the dishes andI'm just thinking to myself as I

(01:00:56):
do all of these things and Itell all of these people about
Jesus, and I act a certain wayand I try to do my best to
counsel and love.
And there's a situation rightnow in my life where I have to
stand impartial between twopeople that I love desperately
but I'm forced to standimpartial between them.
That impartial between twopeople that I love desperately

(01:01:18):
but I'm forced to standimpartial between them.
That is difficult, right,because I want to be able to be
emotional with both of them andsay I get you, I feel you, I
understand and I see what you'resaying, but as a pastor I
cannot do that.
So I have to stand there and befactual and say scripture says,
scripture says, scripture says.
Which makes me feel robotic andI think about all of those
things and I'm like and I thinkabout all of those things and
I'm like what if all of this isfor not?
And I say that to myself inthis way like am I going to

(01:01:39):
regret not having been there forthat person?
Am I going to regret?
And I'll just give you a, forinstance and I won't share a
whole lot of it, but I wasconnected with a gentleman who
was not well mentally.
He had separated from his wife,there were some domestic
situations and, uh, he hadreached out several times.
I talked to him regularly ontext, called a couple of times,

(01:02:01):
spent a little bit of time inperson with him Not a lot of
that, um, but he was very notwell mentally.
It was very unwell.
And, um, he had sent me aFacebook message and had asked
for money to help pay for ahotel room.
I did not get said message.
I was already in bed.
The next morning I found outthat he had killed himself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Is it all for naught?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Like, am I missing something?
Is there something that I'm notdoing, that I should be doing?
Am I doing all of this?
But I'm going to get there andhe's going to say Lord, I
prophesied in your name, lord, Iprayed in your name, Lord, I
brought people to you and he'sgoing to say depart from me, for

(01:02:42):
I never knew you because Imissed something that I should
have been doing.
Is this all for not?
Am I living this life to getthere and find out that I'm not
going to make it?
And you can't live in that,because if you live in that,
you're going to live in thisconstant state of fear, and I
don't want to be that way.
But I know inside of me thereare things that happen and I
things that I experience, andI'll give you another one.

(01:03:03):
This is a really like.
This is a hard one for me.
Um, I have a, a dear friend,who regularly gets upset with
the church Not our church, butthe church in general.
They don't feel like they'rewelcome, they don't feel like
they're included, they don'tfeel like this, they don't feel
like that.
And I still have to be the faceof Jesus.

(01:03:25):
I still have to be the handsand feet of Jesus with that
person, even though I know whatthey think about me because I'm
part of the church yeah.
Do you know how hard that is tolike?
Show Jesus and send a text andsay, hey, I love you, I miss you
, or hey, give me a call whenyou have time, and then like,
chat with them, like I, I knowwhat's wrong, but I can't say

(01:03:46):
what's wrong.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
That is the worst feeling in the world folks is
the worst feeling in the world.
Folks, you need to get good atparables.
Yes, maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it.
Can you imagine if I starteddoing that to people?
They'd be?
What is this guy talking about?
Why is he always telling weirdstories?

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
it is weird, it's really bizarre but sometimes,
like when you tell somebodysomething straightforward, it
shuts them down.
Yes, yeah, it shuts them down,whereas if you try to say
something that makes them think,then it the you know you allow
them to do the work, whereas ifyou try to say something that
makes them think, then the youknow you allow them to do the
work, instead of you trying todo the work of hammering this
idea yeah, into their brain Ihave learned, though, that there

(01:04:23):
are some people that you haveto be direct with oh yeah and I
was talking to um susan bosh,who is technically my supervisor
, but that's a whole like youuse that term, but it's not like
she can fire me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
She was the one that was the the Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yes, she talked about the Browns and her message.
The Sunday that she was herewith us, we um.
I was talking to her and shesaid you know, sometimes, pastor
Michael, you have to be the onethat's direct, because your
congregation, the people thatyou pastor, go to other people
looking for just—I don't want touse the word

(01:05:01):
recognition—agreement.
They go there looking forsomebody to be in agreement with
them, and so they are expectingyou to be in agreement with
them, and when you know that youcan't be, it is your
responsibility to tell them.
And sometimes you have to bedirect, because they don't
understand when you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Especially when it's very emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Like, listen, we've got to stop the emotion for a
second.
We've got to talk logical.
Now I can be emotional with youand I can cry with you and pray
with you and do all of thethings, but for a second I need
you to be logical.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
It's like dealing with young people at work and
being in management makingdecisions.
You got these young people andthere's just a lot of things
they don't get.
Sure, they just don't.
But my tactic is usually is Iwant them to understand that
they're a part of the team.
I want them to feel likethey're important to what we do,

(01:05:56):
why we do it, and I understandthat.
You know I want them to growand so I try to be a positive
motivator to get them to where Iwant them to be.
But sometimes you're right.
Like you know, I have one thatI'm flying 20,000 pounds of
steel over his head.
He's supposed to be spotting theload and he's got his head down

(01:06:18):
in his cell phone.
And it's at that point I'm likeokay, at this point I need to
be straightforward.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Like I do not want to see you on your cell phone in
the shop.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
And of course I'm giving him like number one it's
your personal safety.
I'm flying 20,000 pounds overyour head If that would give for
some reason and if I kill you,I can't live with myself yeah
yeah, you know, I'm like it'sloud in here there's a lot of
distractions.
If you're on your phone, youturn around, trip over something
and pale yourself on a piece ofsteel?
no good yeah so, yeah, you'reright, sometimes you just you

(01:06:49):
run out of patience, patience orjust positive motivation that
you think is going to sink intotheir heads, and sometimes the
only thing left is is a direct Idon't want to say that the
grace runs out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I was going to say I don't think that nothing it's
not about the grace running out,but it is about my ability to
give you grace because I'm notgetting through.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Yeah, you have to realize I have to pivot in a way
, because the way that I'mcommunicating right now and
connecting with them right nowisn't working.
Harry says it best.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes they're
too stupid to know they'rethirsty.
So I can give you positivereinforcement, I can give you
positive encouragement a hundredtimes, but if you're too dumb
to know that you're thirsty andyou can't comprehend that
positive reinforcement, now I'vegot to be very real with you
and tell you you're being stupid, you're being mean.
The things that you're sayingare not true.
Whatever, in order to get towhere we need to be, Yep, and I

(01:07:43):
still don't mean.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
you have to raise your voice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
No, I don't have to yell, I don't have to throw
anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
You're self-controlled.
Like you said, you have to bedirect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I did that today with somebody.
I had a situation where, um, Iwas made aware that something I
had said to somebody inconfidence was taken back to
somebody else and theinformation was shared, but it
was not shared accurately, itwas slightly slightly
misconstrued telephone slightlymisconstrued and and I don't
think on the person that I wastalking to.
I don't think it wasmisconstrued there.
I think the other person heardit, their heart.
And then they they took it andsaid why would somebody say

(01:08:15):
something like that about me ora friend or a whatever?
And so I called the person andI said hey, listen, we need to
have a very direct conversation.
I love you, but I need you toknow that if you did this, it is
not okay.
They explained the situation.
I'm like I'm good, are you good?
Yes, we're good.
Okay, great, yeah, I don't everwant to talk about it again,
yeah, and I said just know thatI want to be able to trust you,

(01:08:36):
but if that happens, trust isnot something that can come
easily yeah when it's beenbroken that situation is like on
tom and jerry, where jerry putsthe bike pump hose in tom's
mouth and starts pumping up andtom's head starts swelling up
real big.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
That's like when you know people hear something and
they get upset and they turn itinto something completely
different and they get in theirown head.
The head gets bigger and bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
The emotion in those situations is what's hard?
Because you can't possiblycomprehend the emotion that
people are feeling when theyhear certain things and this is
another topic of conversationfor a whole other.
Well, we'll make it anotherweek.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
We we'll save that gossip, yeah oh yeah we need to
talk about that and what it isand how it works yes, I'd love
that because I have a somethingthat it was basically someone
was just a series of unfortunateevents that was happening and
she just assumed everything yes,assumed that I was a part of it
.
And I mean, she wrote me a bookand I said whoa, whoa, whoa,

(01:09:36):
whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I had to read the whole thing before I know you're
off base, can you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
please call me because there are lots of things
I need to clear up, but it wasjust people getting their own
head.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
We're all guilty of it.
And the thing about gossip isit makes you feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
It makes you feel good.
Good, yes, important Bingo yes,that's done.
Yeah, it does, yeah, and itjust does.
I why, it's so easy to do itbecause if you're with three or
four people and but here's thething, and I said this about men
a while ago and I'll say itagain you know, roger and I just
raz each other all the timewhen we're in the same room
together and then when he leaves, I'm like that is the nicest

(01:10:11):
man you'll ever meet, right,like he is the greatest man in
the world, like I, absolutelylove him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
He takes my crap yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Right, right.
And so, like that's how we tendto operate and we show because
we don't, we don't say I loveyou, we're not emotional beings
by nature, so we beat each otherup in person and then we're
like yeah, he's a pretty coolguy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
So there's a difference there, but
unfortunately gossip.
On the other hand, and just toexplain that, roger and I are
sitting here arguing back andforth, like today, roger, he
knew what size a bolt was in theceiling without having ever
seen it.
He never saw the bolt.
He said it's a half inch.
I said there's no way, that'stoo small.
He says I'm telling you it's ahalf inch.
I go up there with three sizesand guess what it's a half inch.

(01:10:52):
I go up there with three sizesand guess what it's a half inch.
And as I come down off the lift.
Stomping.
No, I said you know, roger, Ilike what I say to you, I
appreciate how smart you are, orsomething like that.
Everybody in the room stops andsays what?
Because the perception is thatRoger and I always fight and
it's like everybody knows thatit's a joke.
But when they hear those thingsthey're like wait a second.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Roger does get it right.
Yes, so there's this, like it'svery easy for somebody who
wouldn't know us to walk intothat room and walk out and go.
Those two are terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
They're awful to each other.
They are mean people and nottrue at all, but it would be.
So, yeah, that was fun.
I like that topic.
That was a good one.
That feels like there was somelife reinvigorated in the
podcast for me yeah yeah, we hadsome fun banter at first, but
yeah, I really.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
I like when I have things to dig into.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Yeah study on yeah, kind of get behind the curtain a
little bit, so to speak untilthe veil is torn, and then
there's no need to be behind thecurtain.
Yeah, well, and the crazy thingis, you know, caiaphas didn't
stop there even after he's, butso to speak until the veil is
torn.
Then there's no, need to bebehind the curtain.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Yeah Well, and the crazy thing is, you know,
Caiaphas didn't stop there.
Even after he's seen everythingthat he's seen that day, he
still tried to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
From you know it was so he never, he never learned.
Well, this, but they say in1990 they found a tomb in
jerusalem and they found hisremains who's?
Caiphus, oh, and they say he isthe.
They claim he's the onlyphysical archaeological find of

(01:12:26):
a human being that existed inthe bible oh, how did they know
it was him?
uh, dna, there were someinscriptions on, uh, on the
inscriptions on the tomb orwhatever you want to call it,
whatever they put his remains inI don't know what the Jewish
call that, but yeah, there weresome inscriptions on there
Because I think his first namewas Joseph Joseph, something

(01:12:46):
Caiaphas, so you know,interesting.
And they said the remains wereprobably from like a 60,
65-year-old man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Could be accurate, so they said his the remains were
probably from like a 60, 65 yearold man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
So they did all this research and they're like this
could this very well could behim Interesting.
So yeah.
Another great topic for apodcast.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
One night is the death of the disciples going
through all of their deaths.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Wow, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Because we all know Judas hung himself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Yeah, so should we do that next week, because it
could be like Easter and then,following up with the death of
the disciples, we could We'lltalk about death of disciples
next week, although gossip wasreally high on the list.
We can do that the followingweek.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Okay so next week we'll talk about death of the
disciples.
The following week will begossip.
Somebody needs to remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
You've got a pen and paper right there, buddy, I
think.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Beth wanted to do something on anger.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yes, and it's another great topic yeah but, she's not
here, she doesn't get a vote.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
We're angered that she's not here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I'm so angry I'm vetoing her idea.
So we were doing next week isdeath of disciples idea, so we
were doing next week is Death ofDisciples.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
I'm just glad I made it through this without coughing
.
Are you sick?
Oh you are.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Did I send you a text asking you how you were?
No, no, Michael, you did notListen three times, because when
I drive I usually send thosetexts, and three different times
.
I was like, oh, text, nick, andthen I would end up calling
somebody or being on the phoneand I was like I don't know if I
ever sent that or not.
It's okay, awesome, thank youfor giving me grace.
Oh, yes, always.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Well, I think it's technically Dawn's turn to pray.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Dawn is not here to Nick, so then it'll jump back to
Don, then to Beth.
You get skipped, and then it'sRoger.
Nothing like complicating thatsituation, yeah, he was going to
make it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, yeah, alright, here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Lord, thank you for bringing us all together here
tonight.
I really feel like this was animportant message to really
bring to the people the idea ofwhat it truly means for you to
save us and convict us of allthe sins in our lives and to
really bring forth the true ideaof why you came into Jerusalem

(01:15:08):
following your crucifixion andresurrection.
I just can't.
It's hard to express just howwhat you have done affects my
daily life and hopefully affectsall of those around me, and
it's something that I trulycarry with me every single day
of my life, and I just hopeeverybody that hears this

(01:15:30):
podcast can latch on to that andfeel those same things for you.
I pray everybody gets homesafely this evening and I pray
that we'll all be back hereagain next week.
In all these things, we pray,amen, amen.

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