One-Way Ticket to Hell

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SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
Why?
The weather and just because itlast weekend it rained and that
was like just cut yeah.
That just got me off on thewrong foot.
Now it's now it's been prettywindy.
Yeah.
But I got all the big I got allthe blow ups down.
At least I got them underneaththe porch so they can't continue
to get wet.
Because that's such a big thing.
I have to wait till those dry toput them away.

SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
So I gotta get them all.
So if I just today I got up onthe roof, got those down, got
them underneath uh so they'llstay dry.
I mean, it's supposed to besunny tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
And I got a couple hanging up.
I want to get a little moredried up, but yeah, it's just uh
and of course with the timechange, then it's you get home
from work late, then you eatsupper, and then you need your
headlight so you can go out andwork.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I was out there last nightuntil probably 7, 7.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
I've got a Tobulgan that has a little lamp in it if
you want it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
And I don't mind like during Christmas time, I
don't mind being out thereputting stuff up in the dark,
but there's just something abouttearing it down in the dark.
I'm just like don't have thatmotivation anymore.
Oh, yeah.
Because when I'm putting it up,I'm kind of excited.
Yeah.
Like, what's it gonna look like?
Tearing it down.
I'm just like, I just want toget this over with so I can
start Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
But yeah, so it's it's kind of slow going so far.
And this weekend don't look muchbetter.
Like I think Friday's Friday'ssupposed to rain Friday.
So I don't know.
And I gotta get the grass modeone more time.
Got to.
I can't put up decorations if ina hayfield.

(02:12):
Yeah.
I just yeah, it just looksshabby.
I can't do it.
So we don't have snow on Monday.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
That's what I was about to say.
Someone told me really.

SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
Oh they said a chance of snow on Monday.
And I've been seeing lots andlots of caterpillars.
Yeah.
Black one, orange ones.
What does that mean?
On my porch.
Doesn't that mean a harshwinter?
Yeah, I think it does.

SPEAKER_06 (02:31):
But there's a lot of I on one way or the other,
there's a lot of there's a lotof black.

SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
Yeah.
I think it's more harsh.
If they're orange, it's mild.

SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
Yeah.
But I've just seen more of themthan usual this year.
You know what?

SPEAKER_02 (02:44):
Now that you say that, I have too.

SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
They're getting ready to hunker down for the
winter.

SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
So might be coming early.

SPEAKER_02 (02:52):
Yeah.
I shouldn't say early, but if itcomes early and doesn't stay as
long, I I'll I'll take it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (03:00):
We'll take that.

SPEAKER_02 (03:00):
Don't stay till May, please.

SPEAKER_06 (03:02):
We you know, you should stop and think.
We really haven't had any badwinters here.

SPEAKER_02 (03:06):
No, I know.

SPEAKER_06 (03:07):
Three, four years.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
I mean Well, right after Christmas last year it got
pretty ugly because I couldn'tput my decorations away because
they were all underneath ice.

SPEAKER_03 (03:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:17):
And I had to wait for it all to fall out.
It was like right after NewYear.
We got a bad, I think a goodsnowstorm and an ice storm.
Oh, and it was like built on topof each other.

SPEAKER_02 (03:27):
It was like cold.
It was really cold and then itfroze.
Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (03:32):
So yeah.
But you're right.

SPEAKER_06 (03:34):
Otherwise, yeah, we haven't really had I mean, you
know, when I yeah, when I was akid, here we go.
When it started when it snowed,it stayed until April.
You know.

SPEAKER_03 (03:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (03:48):
I mean, you know, it was it was it was bad.
You know.
I guess when I But you stillwent to school.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
And walked uphill.
Both ways.
Both ways.

SPEAKER_06 (04:00):
No, just one way.
Just one way.
It was downhill, downhill goinghome.
But it was uphill going toschool.
Yes, it was.
You know, everybody says, Oh,yeah, walked uphill.
Going to school uphill.
Well, yeah, it was uphill.

SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Did you have to go in your bare feet too?

SPEAKER_06 (04:21):
Nope.

SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
That's good.

SPEAKER_06 (04:23):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
Carry your books in a potato sack.

SPEAKER_06 (04:29):
No.
I hear about any books all.

SPEAKER_02 (04:33):
He's like, what books?
Yeah.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
Maggie said something today that she thinks
uh they're now grading testswith AI.

SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Really?
Well, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
I thought, you know, and but but at the same time,
she was like, Yeah, the teacherwas really watching to make sure
that we weren't using AI for thetest.
But they're and she hadsomething up on her computer,
and maybe the teacher got theimpression that she was using
it.
But she's like, Yeah, butthey're using AI to grade it.
And I was like, Well, it's sadto say, but that's the world we

(05:06):
live in.
Because everybody's gonna use AIone way or the other.
Nothing's gonna stop it now.

SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
Yep.
You know, I was thinking thatthe other day, I'm like, man,
you know, like I probably couldhave went, and I I'm sure I
could have gone to college, likeif if I really put my mind to
it, but not with AI, I reallycould have gone to college and
just pass with passing colors.
Like, I mean not me.

SPEAKER_07 (05:30):
I don't know how what how AI works.

SPEAKER_02 (05:34):
Just say, hey, hey, AI, how do I use you?
And it'll tell you.
And then it'll even say, I canactually get that started for
you if you'd like.

SPEAKER_07 (05:45):
Just tap this button and then it just buttons because
you know, things dis disappear.

SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (05:54):
I don't like that.

SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
I told Cooper the other day like how he was really
pushing my buttons or something.
He's obsessed with buttons, andhe got so confused.
He's like, What?
I was like, Oh yeah.
Where are these buttons?
Bad sense of words, like badchoice of words.
Yeah.
Buttons.
I'm trying to think of buttonbutton.

(06:15):
Who's got the button?
The topic.

SPEAKER_06 (06:17):
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
I'm trying to think of a segue for the topic with
buttons, but I don't think it'sgonna work.
Nope.

SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
I don't see it happening.

SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
Well, a lot of people are just pressing that
elevator button down.

SPEAKER_02 (06:30):
Ooh, there you go.
Yeah, there you go.
Straight down.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
They get in that elevator and they're like, Yep,
one-way ticket.
Bottom floor, please.

SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
It's gonna be great.
Go to party.
My friends are gonna be there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
So we're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 (06:48):
And boy, are they gonna get disappointed?

SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
The one-way ticket to hell and how everyone's if
you listen to the show, you'veheard me already talk about it.
But I brought up several timesthat this idea came to me
because I'm driving behindsomebody with a bumper sticker
that says, I I can't rememberthe exact saying, but more or
less that they have their ticketto hell reserved.

(07:12):
And of course the bumper stickerwas in the shape of like a movie
ticket.
And in the middle of it, it saidsomething to that effect, you
know, I've already got my ticketfor hell.
And I thought, how much thoughtdid you put behind that before
you attached that to the back ofyour vehicle for everybody to
see?
But then again, when you startthinking about it, that's that's

(07:34):
where a lot of people are, isthey they don't really take hell
seriously.
To them, it's it's like anyother idea or slogan.
You know, they're they're notthinking very deep about the
subject.

SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
I think they're looking at it more so like as a
place, and it needs to be moreof a like a well like a yeah,
maybe your well-being, like yourrelationship with the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 (08:03):
Like maybe sometimes you gotta look at it this way.
Like some people think they aregoing to hell, but in fact, hell
is going to consume their soul.
And so you it's not like you'reeven gonna have a place there.
Your soul is gonna be consumedby it.

(08:24):
And you know, when you hear inthe Bible that they discuss
about, you know, gnashing ofteeth and wailing and you know
the darkness and all that, it'snot that you'll be with all
these people.
Right.
It's like a state of being.

SPEAKER_02 (08:37):
Like I'm happy, sad.

SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
Just misery.
Misery.

SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
Constant torment.

SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
Yep.
Yeah.
So you may never you may neversee another living human being
you know, in that state.

SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Which is probably part of it.
Like you're not gonna, you know,have fellowship with anything
other than your misery.

SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
I uh looked up, this is our little history lesson for
the word hell.
So when Jesus was, you know,preaching about it, it was would
it have been Hebrew or Greek?
You know, offhand.

SPEAKER_06 (09:17):
It's been Hebrew.
Hebrew?
Okay.
Oh yeah, done.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
So it was Hebrew for Jenena.
I don't know if I'm pronouncingit right.
It's G-E N E N N A.
But that was actually referringto the valley of Hinnem, which

(09:42):
was in the Old Testament, likeJeremiah.
I think it was Jeremiah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
And this is an actual place.

SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
And this actual place used to be a place where
the Israelites had to sacrificetheir children.
So like that's what he'sreferring to.
Like, if anyone later to youknow, and then after all of this
is said and done, all thesesacrifices happen.
I don't know how many yearslater, but they ended up just

(10:12):
using this like area to burngarbage.
So it's like you couldn't evengo to the place that you
sacrificed your child becausethey're just burning garbage.
Like, that's this kind of placethat Jesus was referring to.
And like, you know, we're nottalking about this place where
we're going to be able to just,oh, lol-la and hang out with our

(10:32):
friends because we're all goingto be.

SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
It's not gonna be Woodstock.
No, it's not gonna be uh, youknow, you're not gonna have
seven different stages set upwith all your favorite heavy
metal bands and all your friendswill be there partying with you.

SPEAKER_06 (10:43):
And well, you might because they might be there too.

SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
Well, like I said, I I doubt you're gonna really see
them.
And I don't think there's yeah,but uh, but that's that's the
cult, it's it's a culture.
And you know, when we were ourepisode on Halloween last week,
you know, one we didn't bring upwhen we're talking about, you
know, we talked a lot aboutfootball, but you know, rock and
roll, which since its inceptionhas a lot of people have called

(11:10):
it the devil's music.
You know, that and you can arguethat one way or the other, but
certainly, you know, Satan hastaken hold of certain parts of
that music, yeah.
And people have used it as a wayto honor him.
You know, there's a lot of bandsout there that are directly

(11:33):
that, you know, their theirsongs are all about it, you
know, worship worshiping Satan.
And well, not only music, Imean, if you think about it,
like the whole world, like youknow, I mean we do worship our
idols, our musical idols, youknow, especially here in America
on a level, you know, that we weprobably shouldn't do, but it's

(11:53):
like anything else, but rock androll music.
I mean, and maybe not even somuch rock and roll, but when we
get into heavy metal stuff likethat, yeah, there's a lot of
bands that that's that's theirgig.
You know, that's what they do isthey write songs about it, they
worship Satan through it.
And whether, and whether theytruly realize what they're doing
or not, I don't know.
Because, you know, when I was inhigh school, I was a musician, I

(12:18):
was learning to play guitar.
And so, of course, I hung outwith other kids that played
music to play guitar.
It was just gravitated towardspeople that did that.
And you did have a lot of youngguys who love these bands that,
you know, that clearly some oftheir songs were about Satan, or
they have a pentagram as theirlogo, different things like
that.
Right.
But these kids, they'd be likethe nicest kids in the world,

(12:40):
like they weren't like meanthemselves, or yeah, they didn't
really show any signs of likeworshiping the devil or
anything, anything violent,yeah, anything like that.
They were just they were reallynice, down-to-earth kids.
But for some reason, they werereally into that music.
And so that's why I think a lotof people sometimes they they
don't even realize what they'retruly doing.

(13:03):
Like somehow they've acceptedthat culture and think it's cool
and think it's a way to expressthemselves for whatever maybe
feelings that they're having.
And they just don't realize whatwhat what what they're at what's
actually behind all that.
So it's interesting that, youknow, just just like this we

(13:26):
talked about Salem and and youngwomen wanting to be witches now,
even though the women themselvesat the time did not want to be
accused of being a witch, wehave this thing with rock and
roll, with musicians, heavymetal, that there is we there is
a culture that has been builtthat is all about that.
And you just have to question,you know, because a lot of

(13:48):
times, as I said, you don't seethese people like coming up in
the news as being violent peopleor doing this, doing that, but
they're you know, they'resinging the praise of of Satan
and their music.
Yeah.
And it's just like I said, we'vejust accepted it as part of our

(14:09):
culture.
There's even other songs likeyou know, Highway to Hell by A C
D C like you know, comes on theradio.
I'll bet you, I'll bet youthere's not a second in this
country of every hour, every daywhere that song is not playing
somewhere on the radio.

SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
That's on Jarve, like immediately he turns it
off, boom.
He's like, that is the worstsatanic song.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Yeah, but we just accept it.
You know, if you hear it, a lotof times you hear it on the
radio or at work or whatever.
It's we've accepted as a as apart of culture.
Yeah.
And that's a very dangeroussong.

SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
And didn't he die shortly after writing that song?

SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Uh you might be right about that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
I think he did.

SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Yeah, he might be right about that.
Very sure.
I know, I know he, yeah, itwasn't definitely wasn't very
long after.

SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
So yeah, it's it's it's an interesting thing to
Well, I was about to say whenyou were talking about that, I'm
like, you know, how manyepisodes have we done all
together, you think?
A lot.

SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Yeah, we're into our third season.
I mean, if if if we're if we'redoing well, I mean we're 45, 50
episodes a year.

SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
And this is our fourth year.

SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Well, this is season three.

SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
Season three.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
So I think it's three years.

SPEAKER_02 (15:21):
Yeah, that's right.
We'll be heading into ourfourth.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:26):
But I'm like, you know, it took us this long to
even talk about this.
And it's like, oh, wonder why.

SPEAKER_00 (15:31):
You know, because it's something that people just,
like you said, brush off ordon't want to speak on, or you
know, and well, it's just it'sone of those things where it's
it's hard to it's hard to wrapyour head around it.

SPEAKER_06 (15:45):
And nobody wants to think that they're going to go
to hell.

SPEAKER_05 (15:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
No.
But you know, but we got thesepeople that that think, well,
that's okay, that's okay if I gobecause all my friends will be
there.
Like they're not that worriedabout it.
Like they think, well, yeah,maybe it might not be the best
thing in the world, but you knowwhat, all my friends will be
there.

SPEAKER_02 (16:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
That doesn't really make any sense.

SPEAKER_02 (16:10):
And you know how you see, I don't know if it's movies
or but you always see them likeshowing Satan as like this
roller of hell or something.
You know what I mean?
Which sure, but like he's nothaving fun with you.
Like he is in misery.
And I read something that said,like, he's so jealous of us
because we had have the choiceto get redeemed.

(16:33):
Well, he's jealous, and he neverdid and never does and never
will.

SPEAKER_00 (16:36):
Yeah, God loves us in a way that he doesn't love
Satan.

SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
And so, yeah, he's that's so he's jealous.

SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you're not going to bedown there having a party with
Satan.
Like, he's gonna hate you.
Like, I don't think peoplerealize that.
Satan's not gonna be your buddy.
No, like that's not how it'sgonna be.

SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
No, he he's there to you know.

SPEAKER_06 (16:58):
He's the tormentor, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
He he he's gonna he's gonna torment, he's gonna
torment you because he's theliar, you know, he's the liar
that's gonna make and and that'sthe thing, is there's certain
things in our society and ourworld that on paper they look
good.
Yeah, you know, they look, andthose are the things that you
know Satan will use to bring youto his side.

(17:21):
And and all he's trying to do ishe doesn't want you to look the
other way, he doesn't want youto look toward God.
So whatever he can use to keepyou, you know, to keep you off
balance, to keep you distracted,that's what he's gonna do till
the very end when you realize,oh, it's too late.

SPEAKER_05 (17:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
You know, and then he's gonna reveal himself as
what he truly is.
Yeah.
And it's not, you know, in thesebands, you know, you can have
all this elaborate artwork ofwhat the devil may look like and
all this stuff.
And it's probably like heprobably doesn't look anything
like we projected to the right.

SPEAKER_02 (17:52):
Yeah, just like with Jesus, you know, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (17:55):
He was one of the one of the one of the chosen
angels.
Yeah.
I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (17:59):
So I mean he's he's I don't think I don't think he's
ugly.

SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (18:03):
And I think that's what gets a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 (18:07):
Society, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (18:08):
Because, you know, they they they look at Satan as
being, you know, with pitchforkand you know, horns and all
that.
But you know, he's gonna lookjust like us.
Yeah.
And he that's that's how hethat's how he gets his hooks
into us.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
You know, believing, oh yeah,okay, yeah, this is pretty cool.
I'm I think I'm gonna go aheadand do this.

(18:29):
Yeah.
And after after you do it,figure out you get to thinking,
well, yeah, that was prettydumb.
Yeah.
Why did I do that?

SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
Well, I also believe that because he was over the
music in heaven, yeah.
That that's why he's got such ahold on music nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
Oh, I didn't realize he was say that again.

SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
He was he was the musician in heaven.
I didn't know that.
And so he realizes the powerthat it can be in that.
So he utilizes that to, I think,work through the music.
Sure.

SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
Okay.
I did not know that either.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
And I don't know where I've learned that, but I
learned that over the years.
Now after I've said it online,I'm gonna Google, make sure it's
true.

SPEAKER_02 (19:15):
Well, it's like, okay, clearly God isn't going to
be there.
Everyone knows that.
You know, it's like in hell.

SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Oh right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:23):
So it's like, but wherever God is not, because God
is light, God is, you know, abreath of fresh air.
All these things, like, okay, soif if God is light, clearly it's
going to be so dark there.
If you know, if he's a breath offresh air, like you're going to
be suffocating.
Like it's going to be more thanjust the gnawing of the teeth.
Like I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
People just well, I think one thing that another
interesting thing is I think alot of these people identify the
devil as some sort of strength,some sort of physical power.
You know, that they it's almostlike, you know, you can rally

(20:08):
around Satan because, as I said,these images, a lot of times
he's really big, he's reallymuscular, he's really he's on
fire, he's you know, he lookslike, yeah, he just like, oh
yeah, that's for whateverreason.
Yeah, that's some dude we wantto follow, that's some dude we
want to hang out with.
And unfortunately forChristianity and Jesus, a lot of

(20:30):
young people, a lot of people ingeneral can look at
Christianity, the Bible, churchas belong belonging to old
ladies and the weak and thepeople that are afraid to die,
or the people that are, youknow, have weaknesses that are
trying to cling to somethingthat isn't there.

(20:53):
So we know that Jesus has allthe power.
We know he has total power overSatan.
His strength is a hundredthousand billion, million times
stronger than anything the devilcould bring against us.
But people don't see Jesus asstrength.

SPEAKER_05 (21:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
I mean, we do.
Yeah.
Like people that truly know, wedo.
But there's I think a lot ofyoung people and a lot of people
in general that don't see itthat way.
Yeah.
They see like churches for oldladies.
Like a week or like it's just,you know, it's not cool.
You know, there's nothing coolabout it.
And that's why they gravitatetowards, you know, these dark

(21:36):
images and the music, whichsounds really, you know,
masculine and it's really loudand it's tough, and it's and so
I think especially a lot ofyoung men can gravitate towards
that because they're looking forsomething.
They there's something theydon't have, yeah, that they need
that they're looking for, andfor whatever reason, they

(21:59):
gravitate towards that insteadof gravitating toward Jesus.
And perhaps it's just because,yeah, if you gravitate towards
the devil, there's noexpectation.

SPEAKER_05 (22:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
I mean, think about there's no expectation from you
to do anything other than dowhatever you want to do.
Where if you come to Jesus,well, guess what?
You got expectations.
There's things that you'reexpected to do, there's you're
expected to live a certain way,and that's just too much for
people to handle.

SPEAKER_03 (22:27):
Yeah.
It's so true.

SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
So, you know, it's it's all those things I think
that you know, that people I Ithink it's just uh it's a
culture, I really do think it'sa culture that people fall into.
Not I don't even think so muchthat it's a religion that they
fall into as much as it is aculture.

SPEAKER_03 (22:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:49):
And that's an interesting thing.
You know, I I don't know if alot of young men go into that
thinking I want to worship thedevil.
I think sometimes it has more todo with they're already looking
for something.
And they just gravitate towardsthat because number one, it's in
our culture.
And it's easy.
It's easy, and it seems tough.
It seems like it's gonna buildyou up and keep you from getting

(23:10):
hurt or keep you from you knowthis or that.
But yeah.
And you know, I I think it'sjust hard for me, like, because
I just tend to think that thosepeople will spend the rest of
their lives always searching forsomething.

SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
Oh, yeah.
The next best thing or the nexthigh.

SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Yeah, or you can never let your guard down.
You're gonna spend the rest ofyour life.
Like, I know guys that I went tohigh school with, and I'll see
them, and they're still likepainting their fingernails
black.
I'm like, that might have beencool when you were 16, 18, 20
years old, but you're almostlike 50 years old, and you're
still painting your fingernailsblack.
It's like, let it go.

(23:52):
Like, what is it that and and Iknow that's a carryover from
that lifestyle, from that music.

SPEAKER_03 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
That imagery from all of that.
And I think, what in the worldare you possibly at this point
in your life getting out ofthat?
No, what is it doing for you?
No, because it's like, well,yeah, dude still don't have a
job.
Yep, dude's still living withhis mom.

SPEAKER_02 (24:11):
Dudes still have like an identity crisis 30 years
later.

SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
You can tell they're still searching for something
that they don't have and theycan't get it, and they can't
figure out why.

SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
Yeah.
And that's what puzzles me themost, is like little bit of a
lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
You haven't even opened that considered.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:27):
You haven't even considered the other side.

SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Right.
Yeah.
You've just you're you'reprobably so lost, so dark, or so
deep into that, where you'relike, not that you're
questioning, well, it's not likeI can open the Bible now because
it's always there for you, youknow, but they're probably like,
well, I've gone this far.
I I don't want to be wrong.
And it's like, well, I mean I'msorry, you're wrong.
I mean, okay, or that's youreternity.

(24:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (24:50):
A little trivia.

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_06 (24:53):
How many times is hell it mentioned in the Bible?

SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Oh well, I researched it in my Bible.
I went into the index.

SPEAKER_06 (25:02):
Did you count 'em?

SPEAKER_02 (25:03):
I didn't, no, but I'm gonna say like eight.

SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Uh huh.
I was gonna say is it?
I think it's more, isn't it?
Is it more or less?

SPEAKER_06 (25:13):
It's more.

SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
It's more.
Oh, like a lot more?
What is it?

SPEAKER_06 (25:18):
54 times.

SPEAKER_02 (25:19):
54.

SPEAKER_00 (25:21):
I was gonna say eight times eight, sixty-four.

SPEAKER_06 (25:24):
That's what I was trying to think.
I was trying to think of whatwould come up.
Yeah.
But yeah, 54 times.

SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
Is it more in the old testament?
Uh it's about half anything.
Good mix.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
I would say I would say there it's it's there's more
in the New Testament.
Really?
Because of Jesus' teachings.
Right, right.
And teaching of hell andrevelations.

SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
The lake of fire.

SPEAKER_06 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, there's I think I think in Revelations,
but I think it in Revelationsit's only mentioned like maybe
five times.

SPEAKER_03 (25:58):
Okay.
Huh.

SPEAKER_06 (26:01):
But yeah.
Like most most of them, I mean,there are there are there are
quite a few in the in the OldTestament.
Old Testament.
Yeah.
That's just God, you know,trying to scare everybody into
it.

SPEAKER_03 (26:13):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (26:13):
You know, when Jesus comes, why he knows where it's
at.
So, you know, you gotta pay alittle more attention.

SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
Well, you know, the thing about our culture is, you
know, that for some reason we'realways infatuated by the
villain.

SPEAKER_05 (26:26):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (26:27):
Like in any movie or, you know, there's you're
just people are just alwaysinfatuated with the villain.

SPEAKER_06 (26:34):
Yeah, but you can always you can always spot him.

SPEAKER_00 (26:36):
Yeah.
But it's just like, you know,there's no Batman without the
Joker.
And you gotta have the Joker tohave Batman.
You just do.
But a lot of people could belike, I love Joker, he's the
coolest villain ever.
And sometimes I think that'sanother thing.
Like we we idolize.
Idolize villains in our societysometimes, you know, because
they're maybe even people thatare not even much civilians, but

(26:59):
just like they're the anti-hero.
Yeah.
It's very easy to, you know,like we we idolize anti-heroes.
And this goes back to just, youknow, TV and Netflix, and we can
make we can make the worstpeople.
Uh as we were talking about EdGean, like they found a guy
that's really good looking toplay the part.

(27:22):
You know, and so they try tomake him look like him, but it's
like, well, you you know, he helooks still he's a good looking
guy.
And it's like, so it's like wetry to raise, raise up these
people to this level of towhere, yeah, we want to watch
this stuff.
We want to see what thevillain's gonna do next.
So maybe that has something todo with it as well, is we can't
help but, you know, honor thevillain at times.

(27:44):
And you always want to see thevillain come back one more time,
and which again, you know, goodversus evil, you have to have
evil to, you know, for the goodto overcome.

SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
In any in any of those situations.
But but yeah, I mean, you canhave a lot of people that prefer
the villains over the heroes.

unknown (28:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:06):
Even though they're not necessarily that way, like
they don't they would never likehurt another human being, or but
there's just something about it.

SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
There's just something about and I don't
think they realize it either.

SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Right, yeah.
That they're you know, it kindof starts when you're a kid.
You know, when you're a kid, youkind of do that.
You know, you've watched thesemovies and these TV shows, and
the villains get to have all thefun, they get to do all the
things that as human beings wewould never do.

SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
So sometimes you know you can live in that
fantasy of thinking, oh that,you know, yeah, he's pretty
cool.

SPEAKER_06 (28:37):
But yeah, but at the end, you gotta think you're
gonna get caught.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's gonna end badly.
Yeah, yeah.
And we all love, you know, andand most of the time it's like
we all want to see, you know,the the villain get defeated one
more time, but you're alwayshappy when he comes back again.
So it's just it's just again,society and culture, I think,
kind of helps that along.
And then, you know, we've madethis industry, like I said, out

(29:03):
of these something as simplesimple as a bumper sticker.
Somebody probably just saw that,thought it was funny, and
decided to put it on the back oftheir vehicle, not realizing
that yeah, you really have justbought your ticket to hell.
Yeah.
Because you really you don'trealize what what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But don't you think people getcaught up in their life and they
they know hell is real, but I'ma I'm a good person, so I don't
have to worry about that.
Yeah, and then they just plowthrough life before and life
goes by so fast that they'renever given that opportunity to
make things right.

SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
I think you're right.

SPEAKER_02 (29:41):
Yeah.
But but the thing is, is theythey get so many opportunities
throughout their life from Godto just turn it around or just
give your life to him.
You wake up every single day.
That is a miracle in itself.
You can easily turn it aroundright there, and you know, like
because people are saying, well,you know, I've always been a
good person, but I or you know,I what if it's I've been a good

(30:04):
person, but I've never, youknow, had a relationship with
him.
Well, you had how many years,which is how many days, like he
and like you know, like PastorMichael says, like, he's God's a
gentleman, he's not gonna forcehimself on you, especially if
you don't want thatrelationship, like for your
eternity.
Like, I think that speaksvolumes.
Like, no wonder he's not pushinghimself on you, because if you

(30:27):
don't want if you don't wantthat, then not that he doesn't
want you, but I don't thinkyou're deserving of it if you
don't want that.

SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Yeah, and let's be honest how many People wake up
in the morning and go, ah, yes,it's time to get up.
Right.
I'm you know, I woke up again.
Most of us, hey, let's behonest, we're like, when that
alarm goes off, snooze, I hit itthree times every morning, at
least.
You know, I never rarely do Iwake up like yes.
Like, and you gotta wondersometimes at the end of me, just

(30:56):
getting at you right from thebeginning of the day, like
instead of just waking up andready to get at it, and you just
wake up like, oh man, anotherday, another day, ten more
minutes.
You know, you don't feel it'shard to feel the blessing in it.

SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
He is the thief of our time.
So if he can keep us in bed,there 20 more minutes, so we
don't have a few extra minutesto spend with God, he's gonna do
it.

SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
So yeah, so sometimes ourattitudes right out of the gate
is is geared towards, you know,we're not looking at the
blessing that we have or thelife that we have and then
blessed with another day.
We're thinking, is it justFriday yet?
Right.
Two more days.
Two more days.
Yeah, we did and and I alwaysthink that's the thing I always

(31:40):
think about is don't wish yourlife away.
Like every Monday you can't waittill Friday.

SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Yeah.
It's like you have to livewishing your life away.

SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
You just turn around and it's Friday.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
I mean, really.

SPEAKER_03 (31:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
And before you turn around, five years is gone, and
you're like, where did thosefive years go?
Well, you I'll tell you where itwent.
Wishing it was Friday.
Yep.
You know, it just it just andbut that's human nature, I
guess, and the devil can playoff of that, you know.
We just we don't realize howblessed we are at times.
Yeah.
And and we're even aware, we'reChristians, we're we're aware of

(32:17):
the blessings that we have, andand we're still guilty of it.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
So I always think about thepeople that I'm like, how how in
the world do you go every singleday without God?

SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (32:30):
How do these people do it?
Because it's hard enough.

SPEAKER_02 (32:34):
Well, they just do it in misery, you know.
They don't Perhaps.

SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
But it's just like, how do you have the strength to
to yeah to do to do the thingsyou need to do and just have any
type of peace of mind and andthen how much how much you know
weaker are you and susceptibleto what Satan can do to you?
And it's just like I just don'tknow how people just get through

(33:01):
one day without looking to Godand saying, Hey, I can use I
could use your help.
Right.
Just I could use a blessinghere, a blessing there.
But apparently, as we're whatwe're talking about here is
like, yeah, a lot of people cando that.

SPEAKER_02 (33:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:18):
And it's just like I said, I truly think that it
starts out as a culture, as itstarts out as something that
seems fun, seems the end, andthen before you know it, it's
it's your life.
And it causes you to never lookin the other direction, yeah
towards God.
Right.
And that's I think that'sSatan's big trick is he's gonna

(33:39):
do whatever he can so you don'tlook in God's direction.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
Yeah.
Shine! Yeah, look what I have.

SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
Yeah, you know, I mean for us Christians, you
know, we're all we always fallshort of the glory of God every
single day, but we know that wedo when we're doing that.

SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
And we know to take it to God and have those
conversations.
And but these people, they don'teven know.
They don't they have no idea.
And that's that's the worstpart.
It's like they're gonna get, asBeth said, they're gonna get to
the end of their life, and it'sgonna be that last day for them.
They're just gonna wake up inthat torment.

SPEAKER_01 (34:15):
Do you think as Christians we fail because we
when you're talking to people,you want to talk to them about
Christ's love.
We don't really throw out whathell is like and what it could
be because I don't know, youwant you don't want to be a good
one.

SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
It's a scary place, it's a scary slit.

SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
Yes, yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
And they take offense to it.
Yeah, yeah.
So as Christians, should we betalking more about that?
And I I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (34:46):
I think if if they ask.

SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
Yeah.
I think I feel like a lot oflike I think maybe relationships
that you let's just say workrelationships that you're trying
like you're trying to win thisperson over, per se.
You know, maybe that could be atime where you can, but like if
it's just a small, you know, Idon't know, there's just little

(35:09):
things in life where you barelytalk to this one person, but you
want to show Jesus, or you wantsometimes it's one-liners like
saying, like, hey, if I if Iwere to pray for you, what would
you want me to pray?
You know, something like that.
But I think if it was in thatcircumstance, I don't know how
many, like how I could getcreative in bringing up hell.

(35:29):
Whereas if I had a relationship,like a work relationship that I
knew someone for a few years, orlike a mutual friend, I feel
like that might be more pronebecause I feel like they'll have
more questions for me, and likeI think that could be a way that
they could, you know, becausebring it up.

SPEAKER_06 (35:46):
They they they know they know your lifestyle.

SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yeah, yeah, like they know what I follow.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (35:52):
Yeah, and they would have questions for actually.

SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
I had someone ask me, she went to church growing
up and like she doesn't goanymore, but she was kind of
like asking me if I think we'rein the end times right now.
And I'm like, well, you know, Idon't no man will know that
time, and you know, but it waskind of nice, and I think she
knew to have that conversationbecause she knows what kind of
person I am.

(36:14):
Right.
So it was just nice to have thatconversation.
Yeah, people know.

SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
I I I think people can see yeah, oh yeah, see it on
on you and and know that yeah,that you're you're available to
talk about those times type ofthings.
I think so.
But I've had that happen, andyeah, you just yeah, people
people can see it.

SPEAKER_02 (36:31):
Yeah, and I was thinking that the other day
about my coworker, because youknow, she there's certain things
where she could get veryfrustrated and worked up about
like, you know, typically I'msupposed to give her like two
weeks to make something like aretainer or something.
Well, we only did like sevendays, which really that's like
two work days for her becauseit's Tuesday, Friday that we

(36:53):
work, and then she's inMillersburg another day, but she
doesn't even work that day, soshe really has like two days to
get that one thing done, but shealso has a ton of other things
that need done.
And I'm like, hey, you know,this appointment was made clear
back in September before I knewI should give you a little more
time than you know, I didn'tknow.
And she's like, Oh no, it'sfine.
Like you, but if it if it wouldhave been someone else, like the

(37:16):
world would have been crumblingdown, I'm sure, you know.
But just show like she justshows Jesus.
She's like, nope, we'll it'sfine, we'll get it done, you
know.
But I'm thinking, if that wassomeone that wasn't a follower
believer, I just feel like itwould have gone a lot different.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (37:31):
Went clear sideways, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:32):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
You know, with with uh I'll give you an update on
you know the totes I lost out ofthe back truck.
Well, so in the end, yeah, thethe girl at the Home Depot
Maslin, she's like, it's aspecial item.
If I had lids, I'd just givethem to you.
She says, but I can't do thatbecause I don't have them.
She says, so what you can do isjust bring in the eight totes

(37:54):
without the lids.
We'll return them for you knowfull credit, and then you can
order eight more and they'llcome with the lids and you'll be
squared away.
And I just told her how much Iappreciate it.
And I told her, I said, youknow, I had a problem with an
item last year, and you peoplewere real good about fixing it,
fixed it right away.
I said, You guys just have greatcustomer service.
Well, I go in to return, returnthem and maslin on Saturday, and

(38:18):
I get up to the to the customerservice desk, and there's this
guy in a suit and tie, you know,just looks real spiffy.
Just, you know, you would thinkwould be well put together
individual.
And something happened with hisorder.
He either wasn't going to get itthat day or it didn't show up at
the house, but he was justlaying into these girls.

(38:41):
Almost the one was almost in thepoint of tears.
And he's just screaming at themand saying, I got a contractor
coming here at two o'clock.
And they're like, I know, Iknow.
And we're, you know, just giveus a few minutes.
And he's like, You better getit, you better get it.
You know, I just kept hammeringhim.
And so I kind of like looked atone of the girls.
I was just like, you know, and Isaid, You girls are doing a

(39:03):
great job.
I said, I just want to let youknow.
I said, You you didn't have totake care of me the way that you
did.
I said, you know, I wrote thethis was a very expensive item.
Yeah.
I said, you know, and you guysjust did what you did for me,
replaced, replaced him for me,gave him the credit.
I said, You guys have you guysare doing a great job.
He said, You have great customerservice.

(39:24):
I said, Don't pay attention tothat guy.
Just just try to let it rush itunder the rug, even though it's
hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's he was as I was stayingsaying this to the girl, he was
still going on about it.
And it's just like, yeah, Imean, you just you have people
that again, if you would havelooked at the guy, you would
have thought, wow, he's a prettyintelligent individual.

(39:45):
Like he's got it together.
He should have some form of.
And apparently the guy, youknow, I guess it's in the
moments where I'm thinking,okay, that person right there.
He felt entitled.
Felt entitled, or Christ isn'teven like Yeah.
You know, and at the forefrontand anywhere.

(40:09):
And I get it, you can lose yourtemper.
I get it, things happen andnobody's perfect.
But just the way he kept goingon about it, I thought, I'd
really just like to go overthere and just say something.

SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
Yeah, like they get it.

SPEAKER_00 (40:20):
Like, yeah, you know, just forget it.

SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Yeah.
You know, just especially forhow long it went on for I'm sure
you to be like, okay, I reallyfeel urged to say something
because he's going off.
Yeah.
And then you're saying somethingand he's still going off.
Like, I'm sure, yeah, he justwouldn't stop.

SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
But I was just like, I just I just felt the need to
tell him, like, yeah, you know,you're doing a great job.
Just, you know, it'll be okay.
Yeah.
So yeah, so it's tough.
But again, it's you never peopleI don't know.

(40:56):
Sometimes it's hard tounderstand spiritually how
somebody can operate in theirlife's day-to-day without trying
to use some form of uh Jesus'exan his example and how you
should handle situations, howyou should treat people.
And because I'm thinking, like,dude, I'm like, I'm sure whoever

(41:19):
this contractor is, he's notgonna like fly off the handle
and say, I'm quitting this joband I'm never coming back.
And I'm sure most likely hewould have been like, that's
okay, we'll just reschedule itfor you know, exactly next week,
or just let me know.

SPEAKER_02 (41:33):
He probably would have been happy to have like a
short day like that, like asurprise short day.

SPEAKER_00 (41:37):
Yeah, and I get it, maybe the wife's hammering him.
Like she's got the expectation,so he has to go in there and lay
it on them in order to make thewife happy.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:47):
But I just I just know when I when I called was my
problem, I was just like, I'mjust gonna be completely honest
with you.
I'm the dummy here that you knowthought I had it handled and
this happened, and I really needyour help because I don't know
what I'm gonna do.
Yeah.
I'm really, you know, and theywere just like, oh, just you

(42:07):
know, didn't didn't even thinktwice about it.
And I thought that that's ablessing.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But some people would probablyjust tell you, well, I'm I don't
know what to tell you.
Yeah, kickbox.
You know, you you picked themup, you drove away with them.

SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
Yep.
It is once it's out of ourhands, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:22):
Yeah, then it's so yeah.
So I just look at that as thatthat's a blessing that I know
God is taking care of me.
As I told you, because that wasa bad situation.
Like I was I was losing it outthere on the road.
And but he took care of me.
He took care of it all.
And my wife's like, Really?
They're really gonna take themback, they're really gonna give
you.
Are you sure?
And I'm like, that's what theysaid, until the very end when I

(42:43):
got that receipt, you know.
There was doubts like that theywere actually going to do it.
And I'm like, Well, it's righthere.
I got the receipt.

SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
Well, especially because you you talk to one
person and then you get thereand you're like, so and so.
No, they left for the danger.
No, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
They don't work here anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (42:59):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:59):
Jackie, who's Jackie?
I never heard of her, you know.
She's oh yeah, she lost her jobyesterday because she's giving
away free merchandise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was just like she's like, Areyou sure?

SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
I'm like, tell me.
We better go up now.

SPEAKER_00 (43:15):
So it all worked out good.
But yeah, sometimes it is allabout how you treat people or
talk to people like you'resaying and handle a situation
and show your you know, yeah,show your Christianity towards
people.
They can see that, andsometimes, yeah, people might be
more willing to help you out.

SPEAKER_02 (43:31):
And well, speaking of talking to people, like if
someone were to say, and this isthis is hard.
You you might have to thinkabout it.
Well, just leave me be, like,let me go to hell.
Like, I've never had someone saythat to me, but like because you
know, like we're obviously toldto make disciples, and like just

(43:52):
just which all we can do is prayfor them.

SPEAKER_06 (43:54):
Yeah, at that point, yeah, pray harder for them.

SPEAKER_02 (43:58):
But but would you just like listen, acknowledge
it, and then walk away, or wouldyou respond with anything?
Because I would want I think myflesh would want to respond
right away, but I'm like old.

SPEAKER_06 (44:08):
But but there again, that's that's that's where you
where you have to have to engageyour brain before your mouth
because you know a tongue willkill you.

SPEAKER_02 (44:18):
You know, I am frozen.
I'm cold today.

SPEAKER_00 (44:22):
I'm hot right now.

SPEAKER_02 (44:24):
What do you think, Nick?

SPEAKER_00 (44:26):
So you're saying if somebody says leave me alone,
you you feel if somebody I'msorry, I was leaning back.
So you're saying if somebodysays to you leave me alone,
that's my business if I'm goingto hell.
You feel like your flesh wantsto say something to them?

SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
I don't know.
Maybe it doesn't.
I've never had someone say thatto me, but I'm just wondering if
if someone were to ever saythat.

SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
You would feel like you would have to.

SPEAKER_01 (44:51):
And and it is I don't think it's your flesh.
No, it wouldn't be flesh.
It would be the spirit withinyou.
Yeah.
And you're crushed because youknow, you know what what they're
going through.

SPEAKER_02 (45:02):
Right.
Right.
And you want to save them fromthat.
And I think that's part of ittoo.

SPEAKER_00 (45:05):
Like Yeah, I mean, because sometimes people think
you're judging them by sayingthat instead of instead of you
saying, I want to help you.

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
You know, they just take offensive.

SPEAKER_02 (45:14):
And I think that's the main thing.
Like, I don't think they realizewhy we're talking about it.
Because what do you know?

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
You haven't been in their shoes.

SPEAKER_02 (45:19):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's like they're theyhave a purpose, like they have a
a drive behind why they'resaying, just let me go to hell.
Like it's because you areoffended that I'm trying to like
help you, but you don't thinkI'm trying to help you.
You think I'm like judging youand pushing my religion on you.

SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (45:39):
Which is not true whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 (45:42):
And that's a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 (45:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:44):
Is again, we'll we'll listen to Highway Hell on
the Radio, turn it up fullblast, and we'll accept it with
no questions asked.
But the word of God, wait aminute.
You can't just play the youcan't just start playing it on
the radio.
You just can't start coming inhere talking about that.
That's that's like, whoa, backup.

(46:05):
And uh but that's our society.
That's yeah, unfortunately,that's how it's that's how it's
become.
So yeah, and and again, that'sanother one of great deceivers'
tricks, is that all all histhings will be easily accepted.
Where the word of God itself,there's always pushback.

(46:27):
There's always pushback in theflesh, you know, in the world.
You know, people always it'sit's just like right now, like,
oh, can we have can we talkabout religion in school?
Can we not talk about religionin school?
Can we have a special uh churchgroup for young teenagers in
school or can we not do it?
What what can we do what wecan't do?

(46:47):
And there's there's thisquestion, this this you know,
confrontation about it, and it'slike, why?
Yeah, but that's where we are.

SPEAKER_05 (46:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
But we can bring all these other things into school,
no questions asked, and we'reall supposed to accept it.

SPEAKER_02 (47:02):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (47:03):
So it's it's just for some reason, you know, Satan
is able to work it to hisadvantage to have all these
things not only easily accepted,not only bring it into school,
like require them to take thissubject every single year, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:18):
You know, like science, you know, like they
teach the Big Bang Theory andall, and I will say most science
teachers that are, you know, inthat field are kind of more
non-believers, but I do know acouple that are believers, you
know.
But you know, a lot of thenon-believers are probably
trying to push, especiallyprofessors, you know, trying to

(47:38):
push their agenda on because youknow, if not, then you're just
stupid.
And why would you fall for that?

SPEAKER_00 (47:43):
Like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:47):
Yeah.
It's very, you know, that'sunfortunately, I don't know.
It's I don't know how I don'tknow how as Christians we can
change that.
Because right now, yeah, rightnow we are seeing a rise, you
know, we're on fire right nowafter the post-Charlie Kirk and
all those things, but it's gonnacool off.

(48:08):
It's gonna cool off eventually.
And then where will we be?
How many of those people thatwere on fire about it are gonna
stay at that level?
You know, and sure, we might wemight get a good many people
that that was their opportunityto find Jesus, but a lot of
people might just get caught upin it and then slowly just go

(48:30):
back to you know, life beforethat.
But it'll be interesting to see.
But there's still just a lot ofthings that as Christians, it's
it's not it's not easy to sharethe word.
There's all like I said, there'salways pushback all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (48:48):
All the time.

SPEAKER_00 (48:49):
And that's one of our biggest hurdles, like you
say.
Like, when do you say somethingto somebody?
You know, I don't know.
I mean, most of the time for me,uh the way I kind of like to do
it is I just like to when thingsare if we're having a good day
at work, and honestly, I justlike to slip it in there.

SPEAKER_02 (49:08):
Yeah, like little Easter eggs.

SPEAKER_00 (49:10):
Yeah, little Easter eggs where I'll be like, God has
blessed us today, or you know,God's been good to us today, or
just things like that.
Rather than like preaching topeople, yes, it's just whatever
whatever's happening for thegood, then I just like to give
the give it to him.
And then if people just want tolook at me like, well, that's
kind of a weird thing to say,then they do.
Or they can be like, Yeah,that's you know.

SPEAKER_02 (49:32):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:33):
Maybe it is, maybe, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
Maybe there is something more into it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
And if you get and then, as you said, hopefully
people can see that in you, andthe way that you handle things,
and that you do have leadership,they can see that in you, and
then when you speak things likethat, then maybe the light bulb
will go on, like, yeah, I kindof want to do it the way he's
doing it, the way she's doingit.

(49:58):
Yeah, as opposed to just comingin here every day just being
frustrated and looking foranswers.

SPEAKER_02 (50:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:06):
So that that's the way I like to do it.
And then I have had peoplebecause afterwards I think
people do know, and then they'llcome to you and ask you
questions, right?
You know, and then you then youonce once somebody opens up and
starts asking questions, and Ifeel like you can say whatever
you want to say.
Yeah, you you can, you know, umgo as far with it as you want

(50:27):
to.
But sometimes it's just gettingthat opening that yeah.
That's to start talking aboutit.
Yeah, I like that.
That's difficult.

SPEAKER_02 (50:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:35):
Because you never know where people are.

SPEAKER_02 (50:36):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (50:37):
You know, and and their spirituality or what they
believe in, what they don'tbelieve in.
Yeah, it's very hard to know.
So sometimes you just kind oflike I said, throw them little
Easter eggs out and kind of seewhat you get in return.

SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
Test the waters.

SPEAKER_00 (50:50):
Yeah.
And I feel sometimes that worksbetter for me than anything.

SPEAKER_02 (50:54):
Yeah.
Yeah, because I mean I don'twant to push my religion on to
them so hard that they run away.

SPEAKER_00 (51:01):
Now, like sometimes it can a person like it the the
it could be very obvious.
Like, I had a kid that works atthe shop and he was wearing this
black t-shirt and it says choosedeath.
And it can it kind of makes melaugh, and I'm just like, what's
all this choose death stuff?
Yeah, like what do you actuallylike?

(51:23):
Because I'm like, he's got agirlfriend, he's he's got a
daughter, he loves his daughter,always worried about her.
And that's what I'm saying.
Like sometimes the culture partof it, yeah, you're like, man,
this guy's logically, like,yeah.
Yeah, like it doesn't match upall right.
Right.
So sometimes it's like, what inwhat is with this?
Well, it's a band.
And like I said, well, it's aband.
I'm like, okay.

(51:44):
But like and what about theband?

SPEAKER_04 (51:48):
You know, and then sometimes they just, well, you
know, it's just, you know, it'sa good band.

SPEAKER_02 (51:51):
It's cool.
It's just a saying that they saythat you're now representing all
you go.

SPEAKER_00 (51:58):
So sometimes, like I said, it's it's cool to have
this image to wear these clothesthat say things like that.
And it's like, but you wouldn'tchoose death.
It's like, you're one of thenicest guys I know, and I know
how much you care for yourdaughter, and all this.
It's like, why why in the heckwould you wear a shirt that says
choose death?

(52:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Because a band says so?
Just you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:23):
So it it's it's hard to figure, especially young
people out, but um I will say onmy way here, I heard I was
listening to a podcast, SadieRobertson, the Duck Dynasty like
granddaughter.
She had the guy who invented theBible app on and was like

(52:45):
talking about their story andstuff, and because it was like,
I don't know, originated in2006.
So that was like before any ofthe apps were even a thing.
So he didn't even realize thathe was gonna make it an app.
But all to say, they weretalking about how it's really
skyrocketed recently, andthey're like, you know, I guess
Gen Z is so on fire right nowand for it because there's so

(53:10):
much stuff out there right nowwith like chat GPT and AI that
they don't know what is real.
Like they yes, there's beenthings like that around, but
like it's never been this hardto distinguish.
Whereas with the word, you knowit's real.

SPEAKER_00 (53:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
And you know, you know what I mean?
I'm like, wow, I never thoughtof it that way.
So I mean, hopefully, you know,hopefully it's not just a phase
and stuff, but I don't know.
I thought that was interesting.
I'm like, oh yeah, I can I cankind of see that.
But I'm sure there will be somethat kind of trail off, you
know.
Yeah.
Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
Yep.
Well, you know, it's just I Ithink it's because I'll watch a
lot of old, you know, BillyGraham, you know, stuff, and you
can see how intently a lot ofthe young people are watching
him and listening.
You know, and how many people hewas the guy was filling stadiums
at one point.
But he didn't do that forever.

(54:08):
And yeah, you wonder about thosepeople in that in that time.
Like, okay, so how many peoplewent to hear Billy Graham speak?
Might have been the first timethey ever heard him speak.
Maybe it changed their lifecompletely.

SPEAKER_03 (54:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
Maybe he didn't phase him at all.

SPEAKER_03 (54:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
Maybe it got him for a while, and then they just kind
of cooled off and forgot allabout it and moved on to other
things.
So it's interesting.
Yeah.
You know, there is always kindof a rise and fall.
But culturally, it's always outthere.

(54:40):
You know, the the like I said,the bumper sticker mentality.
It's always it's always outthere.
And you know, there's plenty ofother bumper stickers that say
things that you know you can'trepeat on the air.

SPEAKER_03 (54:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:52):
That's like, geez, you're just really out just out
to offend anybody that getsbehind you.
You know, it's just and that'sand that's the way some some
people like to live that way.
Some people just some peoplefind joy in offending people.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:08):
Yeah.
And I mean, we were saying goahead.

SPEAKER_00 (55:11):
At their own peril.

SPEAKER_02 (55:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was gonna say we were sayinglike the whole party thing, like
it's not going to be a party,you know?
Yeah.
But even if it was, let's justsay it was, which we know in the
back of our mind it's not goingto.
But if someone is possiblylistening to this and like, nah,
it's gonna be a party.
Okay, well, clearly it's goingto be full of sin, which just
leads to, you know, relationshipissues, anger, like distress,

(55:35):
all these things that nobodywants to deal with, and like
you're going to be dealing withthat for eternity because yeah,
you're in hell and you want tobe living like that.
Like addictions, you know, likethat's still gonna be around.
Like I mean, the worst of theworst.

SPEAKER_00 (55:48):
Okay, be honest with yourself.
How's your life?

SPEAKER_03 (55:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (55:51):
You know, how's your life right now?
Are you happy?
Are you content?
You know, are you healthy?
All of those things.
I think most people, if theywere being honest, would be
like, no, I'm not happy.
I'm not, I don't feel healthy.
And yeah, you know, I don't Idon't have any, like I said, I
don't have any purpose ordirection.
I'm always searching.
Yeah.
So it's hard, it's hard tounderstand that.

(56:15):
But again, I I I really like Isaid, culture, culture, culture.
I just we've built it up, youknow, some people just build it
up in their mind that like I sayit's gonna be a huge stadium
filled with people and all thebest bands and all the best
people and all the best beer andall the best cigarettes, and you
know, they think it's just gonnabe, you know.
Oh well, like you said, oh well.

(56:35):
Yeah, you know, uh that's mybusiness.
You know, if I'm going to hell,I'm I think Jerry Lee Lewis said
one time, if I'm going to hell,I'm going to hell to play the
piano.
Well, they're not gonna havepianos.
So it was just like uh any joy?

SPEAKER_02 (56:54):
If that brings you joy, no.

SPEAKER_00 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (56:58):
Um it's true.

SPEAKER_01 (57:00):
So when I think of hell, I think of my worst
emotional, painful thing in mylife that ever happened to me.
Ten times.
And happen to live that, relivethat over and over and over and
over again.
Every day, there's no end to it.
You're you're just constantlyreliving that over and over and
over again.

SPEAKER_06 (57:19):
Like Groundhog Day.

SPEAKER_02 (57:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and I mean, I readsomething, actually, it was in
my Bible.
It was in one of my footnotesbecause it's like a study Bible
like Nick's, but it said, youknow, that hell is going to be
like worse than cancer.
Like if think about that, likeyou see cancer running rampant
right now, and it's like, andit's terrible for everyone

(57:41):
involved.
And it's like it's going to belike Yeah, it just doesn't
affect the person.

SPEAKER_00 (57:45):
Ten times worse than that.
I know that first hand, justdon't affect the person that's
ill.

SPEAKER_01 (57:48):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 (57:50):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (57:50):
It affects everybody, the family,
everybody, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (57:53):
So yeah, like which, as we talked about, that's what
sin does.
Yes.
A lot of times you think it'sonly going to affect you.
Well, ten times out of ten, itaffects somebody else, even if
even if you don't think it'swanted and how harmless you
think it's gonna be, it yeah, ittends to affect somebody else
down the line somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 (58:10):
Yeah, well, and then how those sins turn into
generational curses.
Yep.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (58:18):
Yep.
And then you gotta have someonestrong enough to put their foot
down and say, I'm not doing thisbecause I suffered when I was a
kid, so I'm not letting my sondo that.
You know, or vice versa.
Yeah.

unknown (58:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:29):
If there's one thing I could change about
Christianity and the church andjust the whole how people view
all that, it's just I wish morepeople could view it and look at
it as a strength.
I wish they could look at Jesusas a strength.
As as being, you know, all thatlike I said, all the images that

(58:50):
you have of the devil and allthat stuff.
It's like I want people to lookat Jesus with a sense of like
you know, like, wow.
Like just with all, like, youknow, this this is something
that this Christianity issomething that strong men do.
You know, that's what strong mentake up.

(59:11):
Yeah.
When you're taking up your armorof God, you know, you're taking
up the full armor of God becauseyou want to be strong, you want
to be in the light, you want,you want to be, you know, uh
useful, you want to havepurpose.
You know, it's not somethingthat we all go do because we're
soft and we, you know, we we youknow, we we just we don't like

(59:32):
to have fun or you know, we'rejust I want it to be I want
young people to be like, no,this, you know, Jesus is
strength.

SPEAKER_03 (59:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:40):
That's the one thing I wish perception could change
about the way people look at itfrom the outside.
Yes.
Is that you know you're notcoming to something that is
gonna, you know, be becauseyou're weak or because you know
you're you're done having youyou've had your fun in life,
it's over, and and now you'regonna, you know, come to church
three times a week and you'regonna dress different and you're

(01:00:02):
gonna comb your hair for achange and you know, and and you
know, things like that.
I because I think that is theperception.
People don't understand why wedo what we do, why we believe
what we believe.
Because they don't they don'tsee it as being they don't see
it as being powerful, as being,you know, something that can

(01:00:25):
give you strength.
And to me, that's uh I don'tknow.
How do you get around?
How do you change how do youchange?
Because because we We know thechurch in itself, you know,
there's because we do that's thething, we do have the Bible, the

(01:00:48):
word to follow.
Like we have to be in the wordevery single day.
So for a lot of people, that'sjust too that's too much work.
That's you're just asking waytoo much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:56):
So are you asking us as a topic?
Like how as a topic idea, how dowe change that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:01):
How do you change that perception?
So young people or even justpeople in general.
In general, somebody that's youknow, they'll be like, Yep, time
to, you know, there's alwaysthese people like, well, it's
time to get more ink.
Better go get more ink, and theywant to put another tattoo on
their body, and it could be likea cross with in flames, or it
could be a demon, or it could beuh, you know, a pentagram, it

(01:01:24):
could be any, you know, justanything.
And they're like, they're sowilling to do to do things like
that, but they have no will ordesire whatever to to come to
the Lord.
And and I just think it'sbecause they did the perception
of it is not one of strength.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:47):
That's just yeah, like I don't want to say like,
how do we make Jesus cool?
Like, how do you make how do youmake him like for young people
to be like, how do you make themwant to desire or just change
the perspective?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:59):
Because I mean, let's be honest, mostly the
world's perspective ofChristianity is okay, yeah, it's
just something I have to do, orit's something, you know, that
they're telling me to do, or youknow, like they're not looking
at it as well for us.
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:16):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:17):
You know, Jesus' freedom, yeah.
But they're not looking at itthat way.
They look at it as, oh, it'sgonna be prison.
Yeah, I'm allowed to be, yeah,now I have to do everything a
certain way, and I get told whatto do, and I gotta give up all
these things I used to do, andyou know, and they just yeah.
Yeah.
Or just it's one of thosethings.
You you look at a young person,and I'm sure, you know, if

(01:02:40):
you're a young person that doeslove God, that does want to have
a relationship with God, talkabout God, the other kids kind
of look at them like there'ssomething wrong with you.
And how do you change that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:52):
Yeah.
Because they look at asChristians as being weak, you
know, that we have to de youknow depend on somebody else.
Right.
You know, this being that theydon't know or don't trust.
And if they only knew how whenthey're out there in the world,
we Satan's knocking at our doorcontinually.

(01:03:12):
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:15):
And we have to be strong.
We have to be have thatrelationship with Jesus Christ.
We have to be in the Word, wehave to have that, you know,
guidance and the relationshipwith other Christians, and so we
can keep going every day.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:30):
But most of them don't even give it the time of
day to even think, first off, toeven listen to us say that one
sentence, you know, like, hey,it that it's actually pretty
hard whenever I drop everythingand follow him, because now
Satan's like, oh, wait a minute,I gotta get this person back.
Like we're losing one.
Come on, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:49):
Yeah, like rally the troops.
Yeah, there's a new TikTok, newnew on YouTube.
And we were all kids, you know.
We kids are kids.
You know, there's plenty thatkeeps you know, children
definitely aren't idle.
You know, there's alwayssomething grabbing a child's

(01:04:09):
attention, and you know, and itwas no different with me or but
I guess I'm talking about thatlevel of when you're you're
reaching that level of maturitywhen you're actually gonna go
out into the world and do it foryourself.
You know, if you if you don'thave that as part of your plan,

(01:04:30):
yeah.
I I I just don't know how you Idon't know how they're gonna do
it.
Because I don't know how I wouldhave done it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:38):
Well, they're gonna fall into sin and destruction
and then probably be harder to,you know, get back or get
altogether, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:52):
You know, it's so easy to say I would have changed
this in my life, changed that inmy life.
There's plenty of things thathave happened in my life I wish
would have never happened.
But then again, I think aboutokay, yeah, but all those
things, for whatever reason,when I'm 13, I'm opening up a
Bible.
And I see it now more now thatMaggie's 14, I see how amazing

(01:05:12):
it was.
Yeah, like because now I see howyoung I was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:17):
Because I felt old older at 13, 14 years old than
you know, at the time I feltolder.
But now that I see Maggie justbeing a teenager, being 14, I
realized, wow, I was reallyyoung.
And to it's amazing that youknow I was either given that
opportunity or gave myself thatopportunity to open to already
be reading the Bible at that ageand wanting to do it, even if I

(01:05:38):
didn't really understand at all,just the fact that I was doing
it, just I I was looking in thatdirection.
Well, I mean to me now it is isan amazing thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:48):
Yeah.
I mean, like if you werespeaking about Maggie, and maybe
you weren't, but you know, wouldit be, you know, a question and
answer type of thing?
Like, does she have questionsand are we able to answer them?
And like, you know, even even ifit was bring her in here, I'm
like, hey, we just want to talkto hey, Maggie, like we want to
talk with you in the podcast,someone your age, like you want

(01:06:09):
to sit down, like any just liketalk about Jesus, talk like
maybe that'll help her.
I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:14):
Well, you know, it's just well, it's it's boring.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:17):
Again, that's another thing.
It's like to kids, it's a lot oftimes it's boring.
It's another form of history,which most kids hate history.
So it's just it's like I said,it it's how how do you keep a
young person's attention andtheir you know, eyes in that
direction instead of YouTube,TikTok, Instagram, Facebook?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:38):
You know, it it's almost impossible to to do that.
Like, you know, like I said, Ithought it was pretty amazing
when I was 13.
Yeah.
There wasn't none of that aroundthen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:48):
So now I uh I know it's even harder.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:52):
But I believe truly in my heart, when you were at
that at 13, God was preparingyou for what was forthcoming.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:58):
Yeah, I mean, there really is no other answer for
that.
It m it must have been.
And I but I was able to see likethe uh the strength in it.
Like I never looked at Jesuslike he's for old people, or I I
really saw I could I could seeit.
You know, what he was at at thatage.
At that age.

(01:07:18):
And then of course, yeah, evenif like you read Revelation and
you read those passages and youthink, yeah, he's got all the
strength.
Like in the end, like he'sright.
You know, you can, you know,it's very descriptive about uh
you know what he's gonna do, andhis angels are gonna do all
those things, and it's like,yeah, he's yeah, he's nobody to

(01:07:40):
mess with.
You know, it's like most kidsmaybe like, oh, it's just a dude
with a beard and white robe andsandals.
You know, but I was able to likesee through that to see like the
God, like the Jesus that was onfire that was gonna and to me it
was like, yeah, I you know,that's pretty clear to me.
But maybe, you know, that'sperhaps a rare thing.

(01:08:01):
But again, that's just what Iwish more people would see, be
able to get that perception ofof w who he truly is up against
Satan, you know, and the powerthat he has, you know, that he's
gonna go back into hell and takethe keys, yep, you know,
himself.
You know, you can see all thosethings, you can visualize those
things, but be able to get kidsto do that, like I said, how do

(01:08:22):
we do that?
I think that's one of thebiggest hurdles in the culture
that we have, and it's justgetting worse by the year with
you know social media, that thedistractions are just getting
bigger and bigger.
And, you know, I don't know.
It's just like I said, it usedto be you didn't have that
distraction.

(01:08:43):
A family was a very close unit,and y'all you you were all
together at night, and a lot oftimes the only thing you had to
do was everybody's gonna read apassage from the Bible.
So it kept families close toGod.
Now, like, you know, most of thetime I think you know,
everybody's confined to theirown space.
Yeah.
You know, everybody's on theirphone in in a different corner

(01:09:05):
of the house doing their ownthing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:07):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:08):
You know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:08):
Actually, that's called a thing, like was it
living room parents or livingroom child, or live I can't
remember what it was, or likewere you a living room child or
a bedroom child, you know, andyeah, I don't I've been seeing
that randomly, but it's likeclearly if you were a living
room family, like you guys werehappier, and you probably still

(01:09:29):
are happier than any otherfamily.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:32):
You actually have memories, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:33):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:34):
Things to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:35):
I was a living room child because I was remote
control.
Yep, yep.
Channel three.
Yeah, turn that up to channeleight.
I think you got seven, eight,and five or something.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:48):
Yeah.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:50):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:51):
But yep, hell is that's the thing.
Hell is real.
It's not it's not a Tom andJerry cartoon.
And everything's you know WileyCoyote.
Yeah, yeah, you know, that'sjust I don't know.
I've never I've never personallythought that um using that

(01:10:17):
approach to really be like hellis real and I I don't know if
that's like the right way.
Because you'll see thebillboards.
Right.
You'll see hell is real and youknow, and all these things.
I'm like, I don't really know ifthat's the way to do it.
The right approach.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:34):
Maybe you shouldn't start there showing Jesus' love.
Yeah.
Because really, how much loveare there a lot of these people
getting in this world right now?
Yeah.
Yeah, especially now.
Yeah.
You know, we ha we have to showhis love.
Yeah.
And once then, maybe once youdraw them in and they're
interested and wanting to learn,share what can happen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:58):
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think you shouldever take the approach of s
making somebody fear not makingthat decision.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:05):
All right, I I need to bring something up then.
Did was anyone familiar withHellstop?
Yes.
Yes, did you go to Hellstop?
I believe so with the wreckedcar and all that.
Yes.
So it was like typically aroundthis time of year, right?
Because it was like bonfiretime, and they would I can still
remember clear as day, and maybethat's like some trauma in me.

(01:11:28):
I don't I don't I don't know.
But the one kid, he was, I wasprobably so he was probably 10
or 11, and he was always a hellyeah, and mind you, he was the
pastor's son.
But they, you know, we'rewalking in like a group of 10 of
us, and they chose him to be theone that was like, hey, we're
gonna like what was it, 45minutes that you walked through

(01:11:49):
this whole yeah, it was long.
And at the very end was whenthey did the car, right?
But it was like saying theychose him to say to either stay
back with his friends or partyor something, and he went and
partied and drunk driving, Ibelieve, and then it just
basically took you through whathappened, like at the scene, and

(01:12:10):
then uh towards the end, it wasalmost like hell, wasn't it?
Like, this is what will happenif you don't, you know, see you,
I don't know, have arelationship with Jesus, you
know, just come to Jesus moment.
And yeah, I was like, oh mygosh, that was the first thing I
thought of whenever I wasthinking about this topic.
I don't know why, but I mean itwas it was traumatizing, but at

(01:12:33):
the same time, I mean, you I Itook some friends with me, like
I think I took four friends fromthe volleyball team, and I'm
like, well, maybe that maybethat stuck with them.
I don't know.
But did you go to one?
I think it was south, downsouth, like Caymanville.
I mean Gainesville.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:50):
Because I think I we went when I went, uh Driving I
went as chaperones okay at theyouth group.
Yeah, and yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:57):
We went we went to a couple of them Judgment House.
We went to Judgment House up inManor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:06):
Well, it wasn't Manor.
Where was that at?
It was up north.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:11):
Like Mansfield or something?

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:13):
No, no, I don't know, it wasn't Mansfield.
But it was a it was a huge, hugejerk church.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:20):
Really?

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:20):
And they had the I think their last scene was the
uh the drunk driver with thewith the wrecked car.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:27):
Yeah.
I mean it was well and then theyhad us like carrying the casket
too.
Like we had to carry a casket.
It was it was intense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:35):
It was it was it was and there was many a knees
dropped.
Uh-huh.
Just pray that it did touch themto want to make changes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:44):
So I'm wrong.
I don't know.
Your little fears.
I don't know though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:47):
Well, but did they follow through, you know, that's
the thing.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:50):
And like, did you know because I I was just
listening to a podcast, I thinkit was the cult.
It's the sounds like a cult.
It's the lighthearted typicallyit's lighthearted, you know,
cults, quote unquote cults thatlike, oh, cult of Peloton or the
cult or Adidas, all thesethings.
And this one was about Christianmusic and they mentioned hell

(01:14:14):
stop and stuff, and was kind ofjust saying that it was almost
like pushed them away further.
I don't know.
I I that was them two sayingthat, so I don't know.
I was like, once they startedtalking about that, and then I
was like, okay, I'm done withthis episode.
Because I'm like, okay, yeah,the cult of Christian music.
Because they were saying howit's on the uprise with there

(01:14:37):
are a ton of songs that are nowon the secular radio, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:41):
And well, and you have to wonder, you know, that
thought crosses your mind, okay,now this is now this is
profitable.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:48):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:49):
So, how many people are getting into this because
well may perhaps they couldn'tmake it in rock and roll,
perhaps they couldn't make it incountry music.
So yeah, so hey, there might bea door opening us for Christian
music.
It could be profitable.
Let's jump in.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:01):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:02):
So there is a valid point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So to me, that's one thing thatI kind of I I consider.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:09):
Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:11):
Yeah.
And I know how important iteternity is.
I know it's important to all ofus.
It's where we end up in thislife is a part of the journey of
our story.
But I'm always just very big ondon't just come to Jesus in the
last moments because you'reafraid where you're going after.

(01:15:32):
Yeah.
Think about the life you're thegift of life that God gave you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:36):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:38):
Think of think about that.
Like, if you're not followingChrist, if you're not trying to
live within Christian principle,how good is your life going to
be without Him?
Like, don't throw your lifeaway.
And there's so much life can beso enjoyable.
It can be so rewarding.
And you know, don't just startgoing to church because you're

(01:16:00):
afraid of what's going to happenwhen you die.
Yeah.
Think about right now, the wayyou're living and how you live.
And you know, the people youlove and the people you work
with.
I mean, all those things, it'sgoing on right now.
God gave you this life to enjoy,you know, as a gift.
Yep.
And don't wait.
Yeah.
You know, don't wait till theend and worry about, you know,

(01:16:21):
don't come to God just becauseof the the eternity of it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:25):
You're wasting your life.
You only get one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:28):
Yep.
And and I I think a lot of thetimes with those ones, I'm like,
yeah, you know, like the thiefon the cross, like, you know, he
was promised for, you know, tobe up in heaven.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:39):
But it's like, I think like But how much more
enjoyable could that thief'slife had been if you'd had the
word sooner?

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:45):
That and when you're up there, I can't remember what
was it whenever we were talkingabout the crowns, maybe?
And it's like, hey, this is whatyou did with your life, and but
like this is what I wanted youto do with your life, and this
is what how many people youcould have saved.
Like almost like rewinding allthese certain situations in your
life, and you're like, oh wow,you know, but since I didn't

(01:17:06):
feel like doing anything till Iwas on my deathbed and wanting
that relationship, then I didn'tget to save all those people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:13):
You're gonna be saved from the burning building.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:16):
But that's it.
You know, you're gonna escape bythe skin here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:19):
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:20):
But yeah, but think about all the other crowns you
could have had in this life, howmany people you could have
reached or the things you couldhave enjoyed and experienced.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:31):
And I like to think, you know, I I like to think that
maybe the people that I did forma strong bond with, or even, you
know, helped come to Christ orsomething.
Like, I like to think that maybewhen we're in heaven that we
have a stronger bond because ofthat.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know, like a littleguardian or something, or a
little mentor.
And like I didn't realize I wasbeing that at the time because I

(01:17:53):
wasn't sure if they'd be coming,but now I do know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:55):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:56):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:57):
Yeah, well, that's it.
You could have planted that seed20 years ago.
Somebody will find this podcast20 years from now.
Who's to say?
This by just some chance.
This is the first one they clickon, they start listening to it,
and the light bulb goes on.
We've done our job.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:13):
You know, if that's all we ever do in this life,
right?
We we we've done more than youknow, a lot of people could ever
hope to do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:21):
Almost 2,500 times.
Yeah, 2,500 opportunities.
Yeah.
Or 27 away.
You you threw that in at this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:31):
And all four of us, we're not gonna get everything
right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:34):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:35):
You know, no, I certainly haven't in this life,
and I'm sure I'm gonna makeother mistakes along the way.
But in spite of myself, I'mgonna keep keep doing this, keep
serving the Lord, you know, keeptrying to reach other people so
that so they can do the samething, so they can have the
blessings that that I've had, soI they can have the grace that

(01:18:55):
I've had.
That's what it's all about.
But if you can just get outthere and just do a little bit
of work, yeah.
You know, it it goes a long way.
Like I said, you just you justnever know who who that person's
gonna be.
And it might, like you said, itmight mean not only their
salvation of the life they havein the now, but also the

(01:19:16):
salvation in eternity.
Yeah.
I mean, what greater work isthere?
So yeah, that's it's pretty coolto think about.
Yeah.
But having a bumper sticker onthe back of your car saying, you
know, got my ticket to hell isnot helping anybody.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:32):
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:33):
You know, it's just not, yeah, that's not helping a
soul out there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:38):
Actually, yes, it is, because that it prompted
this podcast.
Yeah, okay.
So fair enough.
That'll be Jesus' wink to you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:45):
If I ever see this person again, if I ever see that
vehicle again, and I just happento see them get out of their
car.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:51):
Here's the link to our podcast.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:53):
Yeah, you've inspired an episode.
Please listen to it.
So that would be very cool,actually.
Yeah.
And it's possible.
Anybody.
I mean, because I saw it herelocally.
So it's very possible.
I'll see it again.
Yeah.
Maybe you never know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:08):
So keep this link in your notes on your phone just in
case.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:12):
Oh, I won't for if I see it again, I won't forget.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:14):
You'll be able to bang the stop like, hey, hey,
hey, hey.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:17):
Because it just hit me hard the first time I seen
it.
Like I said, it was a big likegold movie ticket.
And and I was, I just kept like,what?
Like, oh.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:30):
Then again, not everybody gets to have uh
Abraham Lincoln on a pair ofsocks.
Fuzzies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:35):
Fuzzies, yeah.
Fuzzy Wuzsies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:38):
So we can't all be wearing Abraham Lincoln socks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:40):
I'd seen those.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:41):
I thought, oh, those are Nick through, and those are
serious socks for not so seriouspeople.
This episode was brought to youby Foozies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:52):
Foosies or Fuzzies?

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:53):
Well, it's double L.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:55):
Oh.
It is Foosies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:58):
Fozzie.
Footsies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:59):
Roger got hammers and saws.
Yeah, mine's got hammers andsaws on a fucking colour.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:06):
Oh man.
It's funny.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:09):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:10):
Well.
Oh, whose turn is it to pray?

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:13):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:14):
I think I prayed last.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:16):
I think it's mine.
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:19):
I saw her looking at Nick.
I thought she was going to tryand smile.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:23):
She's she's used to it now.

unknown (01:21:28):
Come on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:30):
There we go.
Dear Heavenly Father, we justthank you for this opportunity
to come together, dear FatherGod, and discuss heaven and
hell, dear Lord.
And we ask that, you know, thetopic that we talk tonight just
reaches out to someone, dearFather God.
And we ask that you just instillin each and every one of us, not
just here tonight, butlistening, that you let us be

(01:21:53):
that light in someone'sdarkness, dear Lord.
That you just let us be that oneto share your word and share
your love, dear Father God.
And dear Father God, we ask thatyou just be with each and every
one of us as we travel hometonight.
That you just put a hedge ofprotection around us and bring
us back at our next appointedtime.

(01:22:13):
In Jesus' name I pray.
Amen.

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