Taming Anger's Grip

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was all set up like a war.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, battle zone yeah, they had.
I played laser tag there thatday, but not a lot, and we only
used one floor, we didn't useall three, so like they had it
separated.
They also still have theswimming pool in that building
because it's the old YMCA.
Oh, I didn't know there wasthat.
Yeah, there's a swimming poolin there.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I thought it was on the third floor.
I thought it was on the thirdfloor.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, swimming pool's not on the third floor, it's on
the well.
It's technically the secondfloor because you go up steps to
get in, like you go up a flightof stairs.
So there's a basement, but it'son the second floor.
They were going to turn it intoa skate park originally, so the
people who owned it when it wasRack Center had all sorts of
big ideas for it, but theyweren't open often enough for
really to utilize it and then itwasn't like I could just go by

(00:42):
myself.
You had to either take enoughpeople to play or you.
It was kind of hard toguarantee that there'd be enough
people to do anything.
So but we had a lot of fun.
When we went, there was one girlwho worked at the company with
me.
She brought her boyfriend who,whose name I know but I won't
use.
He is well known in thecommunity.

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He's kind of a jerk and not thesuper nice guy man.
It was just he and I at the endand I pelted him with a
dodgeball and he was so mad Ithought for sure he was going to
shank me in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
He was ticked, nick.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I was just telling Roger and Beth the dragon will
arrive on the 26th, so I justtexted my seamstress.
Today the 23rd, 23rd, so I'veonly got three days.
Text my seamstress to see ifshe would be able to squeeze me
in because I want to wear it tothe competition.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
But that's not going to be my opener, by the way.
I haven't decided what I'mgoing to open with yet, but I'm
going to save the dragon for forsecond round.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
If I make it to the second round, we'll see why I
was going to comment today youposted for the event into
existence you know you postedthat and I was going to put go
get them tiger.
I was like that's kind ofstupid.
I'm sure it would have gottensome laughs.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, it would have, my wife would.
Nobody else would have got.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, not many people , not many people.
Um, looked through thecontestants again, we're down to
19.
One kid dropped out.
Nobody else would have got it.
Yeah, not many people, not manypeople.
Looked through the contestantsagain we're down to 19.
One kid dropped out, so hewasn't.
Do you remember I was tellingyou that there are some people
who are going that aren't reallyshouldn't be there?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Qualified yes exactly .

Speaker 2 (02:19):
He was one of them, so I'm kind of happy that he's
not going to be there.
But at the same time now you'redown to 19 contestants, so it's
just one of those so there'sone woman one woman, penny is
her name yes I saw that yeahhave you ever seen like an elvis
impersonator as well a woman II.
So I've actually sold jumpsuitsto a lady in the uk who is an

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elvis impersonator, so my buildis almost perfect for her.
She just has to let out the topa little bit, but then, like,
otherwise fits her really,really well.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's cool yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And then there's also an African-American Elvis in
this competition, which I findvery interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Oh, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I say that because I watched a documentary many years
ago, before I was ever reallylike super into it, and there
was one guy who was in theultimate elvis competition.
he would make it to the ultimatecompetition at graceland every
year for like five or six yearsbut he couldn't win and he said
I know that it's because whenthey see me they can't see elvis
and he said that would be toughto overcome he said, if it was

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like it was, if it was a blindcompetition where the judges
didn't see the people, and hewas good, he was really good,
he'd be like a white Chuck BerryRight how do you do it?
Yeah, it doesn't matter howgood you are, there's just
something about it.
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So there's a Bill Elvis and a Billvis.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, is that right?
Yeah, so you should really tryto find some of them on social
and watch their videos, becauseyou'll be like, okay, that
shouldn't be happening.
The one guy in the gold LeMayjacket, I think that's Bill
Elvis.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I can't remember which is which.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Super nice guy, very nice guy.
There's another guy from Ohiothat's going to be there.
That's the Tony guy that's inthe list.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, you guys going to carpool, no.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Awesome.
They all have to stop at a gasstation.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So here's the yeah, Get out so they have an opening
night like just karaoke.
It's at a bar close to thehotel that everybody's staying
at and, like you had to sign upin advance, I did not sign up up
and they keep emailing measking me if I'm gonna sign up
and I'm not.
I'm gonna go and watch, but I'mnot signing up.
I'm not gonna let them knowwhat songs I'm good at and let

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them steal them from me, right?
I was like because if I hear adude and he does american
trilogy really well, guess whatsong I'm picking if I pick
before him american trilogy,because I want him out.
Yeah Right, I don't get whypeople would go in there and
show up, but anyhow I thinkthat's smart.
I've just got.
That's my strategy.
I want to win, so we'll see.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I saw there's one Young Elvis there are which one?
Well, I think it was.
I mean he looks like the 50sElvis one.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, I think it was.
I mean he looks like the 50selvis.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, laneum lane crew.
He actually just won acompetition, I don't remember
where.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Not super impressed with his vocals, it means again
seems like a really nice guy,like just, I don't know, I don't
know, we'll see, but I justwonder, like you know, because
it seems like most of you are,you know, 70s late 60s, 70s
elvis, then he's young elvis.
How much harder will that befor him I actually think it's an

(05:32):
advantage for him that's what Iwas because there aren't many
young elvis's that areperforming at all.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
So I think being younger or being a younger elvis
, it's going to bring a uniquestyle.
Yeah, we're going to be doingvegas music and if the judges
don't like Vegas style Elvis,they're going to gravitate
towards that guy.
I mean, if he's any good atYoung Elvis, you know what I
mean I'm just excited to do it.
It's something I've never donebefore.

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I told Alyssa.
I said top three, I would bethrilled.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Top three.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I mean.
I want to win, don't get mewrong, but if I can place top
three, my fear is, if I don'tlike, if I don't make it to
round two, I'm never going towant to do a competition again,
and I had this terrible fearthat I won't.
I just will give up on Elvisaltogether, like I'll just stop
doing it because, okay, well, Imust not be that good at it.

(06:24):
Therefore, why?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
do it.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's just their opinion.
Yeah, and it's different whenyou're in a competition than
when you're doing what I'm doing, so just trying to process it.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Is it the first weekend of May or the second?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
No, it is the third, it's the week right before
Railroad Days.
I'm literally going to go there, come home and then start
Railroad Festival.
It's going to be a long twoweeks.
Actually I have an Elvis show,believe this or not.
I have an Elvis show theThursday.
Before I leave in Zanesville.
I'll leave on Friday morning,drive over there show so they

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have karaoke contest or thekaraoke thing on Friday night.
Saturday is the competition.
I'll drive home Sunday morning.
Monday we start RailroadFestival, set up On the Thursday
of Railroad Festival.
I have a show in Carrollton andthen I come back and I do
Railroad Days that same night.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
So you're going to be gone Thursday.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I will, but I'll be gone, you guys will be
set up.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
It'll be good to go.
Yeah, it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Because I'll be back before the Midway opens.
Way too many.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
Yeah, that is a fact my friend.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I will be back before the Midway opens, so it won't
be terrible opens, so it won'tbe terrible Okay.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I'm going to hold you to that.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Beth will be there.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I know.
Oh goodness, I'm pluggingextension cords as I go.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
There I don't have to use extension cords.
There's lots of outlets there.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, we've got plugs .

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I will use the occasional power strip just if I
need lots of power in one place, but it's fine it's outside, so
it can't burn anything down,yeah so quick question about
these jumpsuits I just thoughtof this so did elvis always have
like an input like here's whatI want, like, what like with the
tagger, which is like I want atagger or I want a dragon, did
he ever like put I would guessit more presented to him I would

(08:26):
?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
guess that he probably said, like the phoenix
jumpsuit, he had that in fourdifferent colors.
He had black with white on it,black with red on it.
My guess is is there was onepresented and he's like oh I
love that, but I want it in avariety.
Um, I would guess the tiger wasduring his karate years, so
that was part of the kenpokarate studio that he was part

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of.
So I'm guessing he was like Iwant a tiger on there.
Then bill baloo, who did all ofthat, probably came back with a
design and said here's, andthen he was able to make tweaks.
I saw a really cool piece ofelvis memorabilia that I would
have loved to have had, but itwas fifty thousand dollars and
well you know I don't have moneyfloating around like, but it
was $50,000.
And well you know I don't havemoney floating around like that.
But it was a belt that had theAloha Eagles on the front of it.

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The leather was basically justfolded over and it had a couple
of the Eagles punched into itand on the back was a
handwritten note from BillBallou that said hey, elvis,
these are the Eagles that we'lluse on the belt for, um, the
American Eagle jumpsuit andElvis put okay, elvis, and sent
it back to him.
So that was how theycommunicated.
How cool of a piece ofmemorabilia would that be?

(09:31):
To have 50 grand was a bitsteep though, yeah.
Yeah, because you had an Elvissignature, a Bill Ballou
signature and a piece that Elviswould have touched and held.
So it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Never wore it though?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, because it wasn't an actual belt, it wasn't a
wearable belt, it was just likeit was the white leather with
the eagles on it, so he wouldhave a feel for what it was
going to look like Like areplica.
Yeah, For what it would looklike.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, you'd have to get insurance on something.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh my gosh yes.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah my car.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
It costs more than Beth's house.
Yep, oh goodness.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
It's a little less than Jarvis' truck.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So we pivoted on tonight's topic.
It was originally going to bedeath of the disciples.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean I've hit like the summary of all of them
, but I haven't had the chanceto really dig deep, which I want
to do Because I kind of want toget some of the backstories on
these apostles, like you know,what were they doing at the time
?
I want to get a little bit moreout of it, but yeah, I mean
just the summary, it's wow.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So we pivoted and we had gossip and anger on our list
.
We chose anger, but Beth neededto make sure she got home to
get her notes.
She went home and couldn't findher notes, so we still don't
have notes.
We're going to wing it.
She wrote some stuff down.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, beth, start her off.
Yeah, this is your topic.
Your topic, your baby.
It's your baby, you rock it.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
She was in a mood when she did.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Was she angry yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
she was angry, she was angry, she really was Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I really was, and so I listened to this pastor, mike
Winger, and he does like apodcast and I really liked him
Great minds think alike and hemade me laugh when he said about
the definition of anger is withthat?
Just the only way he coulddescribe it was that, grr, this
makes you mad, grr.
And I thought, yeah, that'sright on it, but it's amazing

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how much is in Proverbs allabout anger.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And how not to.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
So I did not go the same direction with this.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
No I did not.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, I did not All right At all.
How did you go the samedirection with this?
No, no, no, I did not All rightAt all.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Did you go with it?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I actually went with righteous anger and the anger of
Jesus.
Oh so took a little, took alittle twist on that.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Kind of cool, though, because you weren't here when.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Beth, clearly, like we knew that she was going to
take this, yeah, so this will befun.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
This will be really good Because we talked about a
couple of Sundays ago about the400-year separation between Old
Testament and New.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Testament.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So I think then you kind of—I mean Old Testament's
full of wrath, so we can talkabout that even, but then we can
jump to New Testament stuff.
So okay.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, I mean even talking about when Jesus was
angry.
What was it?
Where was he at in the I'llnever get this right when he
healed the man's hand and theywere angry that he had sinned
because they healed him, or theythought he sinned because they
healed him on the sack.
That just I mean that goes toshow that.

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But he didn't react in anger.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yes, Well, there are several times that he does.
There are several times in theNew Testament where Jesus is
clearly angry and he reacts assuch, but his anger is different
than our anger.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Sometimes I wonder if his was like calculated To some
degree Perfect.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, because, again, again, it's that, it's that
righteous anger, it's that, um,like he, he's purposeful, he's
angry because they are knowinglysinning or not believing what
god has yeah has taught them orbrought them to believe yeah,
like his flesh isn't taking over, correct this a yes, this is

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not a flesh man becoming angry,this is a spiritual anger.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
But go ahead with some of yours, because the book
of Proverbs does have.
The book of Proverbs has a lotin it anyway, Like just good
life lessons just good lifelessons.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I think I'm marked lessons, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm marked.
Well, I can't remember.
Did I not mark it?
The one about where you're slowto speak and your anger?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I can't remember where that's, at Proverbs
Talking to your microphone.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Oh, I don't like doing that.
Proverbs 15.1.
A gentle answer deflects anger,but harsh words make tempers
flare.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I would like to point out that Jesus came to fulfill
the law, not abolish the law,and we should be listening to
all of the Proverbs just to beclear.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
But how often can we?
When we get angered, we can'treally respond.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Will you read it again?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words
make tempers flare.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Can you tell a story?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, tell it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So it's probably.
It's just been a couple ofweeks, so it hasn't been a long
time ago.
I was on the phone withsomebody and while I was talking
to them it was disclosed to methat something I'd had said to
somebody else in confidence hadbeen disclosed to other people.
Basically it turned into a gameof telephone.
I said this to this person,this person told that person,
that person ended up tellingthis person and then a quarrel

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between the two of them formedbecause of what I said but was
taken out of context.
Okay, so when I found out thatit had happened, I called my
wife and I said I need toaddress this.
Is this an appropriate way?
And she said absolutely.
So I picked up the phone and Icalled the person who I said it
to.
I said I want to start thisconversation by saying I am not
angry at you, but I am confusedand I want clarity before I have

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any emotion.
I said I said this to you inconfidence.
This was then conveyed tosomebody else.
They said no, it wasn't.
And I said well, I know for afact that it was, because they
knew word for word what I hadsaid to you.
But as we talked there wasclarity around the fact that
even when they shared it withthe other person, it was a in

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context, it wasn't hurtful, butit hurt that person's heart
because it was about somebodythat they loved, somebody that
they cared about.
So then they come back to thenext person and they're like why
would he say that?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Because they were hurt.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
They were hurt.
So then they and when I say itcaused a strife or a quarrel
between the two of them, itwasn't like they were arguing or
fighting or anything like that,but it was it tensions mounted,
and so I have found that in allcircumstances and I do it as
quickly as possible, I don't letit fester, because I'll get mad

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real quick.
You know, if somebody calls meand says um, you know, hey, I
was just on the phone with Bethand she told me that you said X,
oh, no, no, no, Like you know,I'll get mad because like, how
dare they?
But I've decided that it's bestif I handle it in the moment.
I call and I say I heard thatthis was said and I need to
understand why it was said, andI find that that helps me or

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stops me from like that flare upof anger, where you're all of a
sudden so angry that you can'teven think straight.
That's the only thing you canthink of.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, I'm the opposite.
I have to sit back and think,because when I'm angry, I say
things I really don't mean.
So, and I know, if I have thatopportunity, I'm going to say,
and I'm going to say what I wantto say.
So I have to stop and step back.
And I've learned this quite abit in the last few months.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's funny, I used to be that way Much younger.
I used to be hot-headed and Iwould say something that would
hurt you.
I didn't care.
If you said to me even if whatyou said to me wasn't
necessarily hurtful, but Ideemed it to be hurtful I was
calling names and making fun ofyour haircut and making fun of

(17:31):
your eye patch, like Roger, Imean, he's not wearing an eye
patch, but he should be.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
You shouldn't have said anything.
The audience could have hadthat.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Roger walking around in an eye patch.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, he's got a hook hand.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
now too, I had that.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Roger walking around in an iPad.
Yeah, he's got a hook hand nowtoo.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
All right, the next one I have is Proverbs 15, 18.
A hot-tempered person startsfights.
A cold-tempered person stopsthem.
So that goes back to when Iwant to respond quickly.
I had to learn to step back andshut up, so I look at that

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statement too whenever you thinkabout it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
There are people in this world who are and there is
a difference in this.
There are people in this worldwho are hot-tempered, who will
fight with anybody just for thesake of a fight, and then there
are people who are peacekeepers.
They want to keep the peace.
And then there are peacem arepeacekeepers, they want to keep
the peace.
And then there are peacemakers,the ones who want to step in
and resolve whatever tensionexists.
And I think about that cooltemper that is the peacemaker

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not always the peacekeeper,because sometimes the
peacekeeper will just go into ashell I'm not going to fight,
I'm not even going to defendmyself, I'm not going to have a
conversation because I don'twant the tension.
But the peacekeeper tends to bethat level-headed person that
can come in and say Beth, I knowthat you were really mad when
you said that and I know youdidn't mean it.
You should really considerapologizing.

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That is a peacemaker, and theytend to be the cooler head that
can walk into thoseconversations much more easily.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
The cooler head that can can walk into those
conversations much, much moreeasily.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
I used to not get quite that bad, that quick, but
sometimes sometimes it dependson the situation exactly and the
person my emotions just get thebest of me and then I start
slurring my words and I'm likesounds stupid.
I'm like, nah, I've found thatstepping back and thinking about
it and cooling off it doesn'talways work.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
No, Sometimes it just festers it more yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
What do you think has been the catalyst for you to go
backwards in that circumstance?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm going to blame it on change of life.
That's funny, I don't I meanbecause my faith is stronger now
than it has been, but I justSome of it is that, some of it
is that.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So the further you walk into your relationship with
Christ, the more the enemytries to grab a hold, and anger
is a quick and easy way to do it.
Oh yeah, you know what?
Can you believe that they justsaid that to you?
How offended are you?
And that's I mean.
Anger really runs back to theword offense.
There's really.
I get angry because I'm offended, I get angry because I'm hurt,

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and this was a point that I wasgoing to make anyway, but it
just popped into my head now.
I don't think that anger isreal in the sense that it's its
own emotion.
I think we anger is triggeredby all of the other emotions
that then we try to isolate itas its own.
I'm never mad because I'm mad.
I'm mad because you've hurt me,so I'm sad or disappointed or

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whatever other emotion I mightfeel.
Or I'm mad because you've mademe cry'm sad or disappointed, or
whatever other emotion I mightfeel.
Or I'm mad because you've mademe cry.
Don't ever do that, you know.
So I feel like anger in and ofitself comes from the other
emotions that we feel.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, well, I think it's the most accessible
emotional weapon that we havethen I can get loud with you.
It can come out of the holsterquicker.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Pew pew pew pew.
So, yeah, it's really easy touse and I think too, it can be a
comfort thing, Like you tend to, I think, once you become an
angry person.
I mean it's just like autopilotyou use it for everything.
Like anything that irritatesyou, anything that you don't

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agree with.
All those, you know all theissues that you have you know in
some ways.
I mean, yeah, it makes you react, probably in ways that you'll
regret it every time, but in themoment you know it's a comfort,
it helps you, it helps peoplethrough that situation, for good
or bad.

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Most of the time you'll go backand go.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't havesaid that.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't havereacted that way, but in the
moment, sometimes maybe peoplefeel that's all they have.
It's control.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
It becomes control.
The only way that I can controlthis situation is to be angry
Instead of having self-control.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
that's the only way you way that I can control this
situation is to be angry.
Yeah, Instead of havingself-control.
Yes, yeah, that's the only wayyou feel like you can control
the situation.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
The louder you get the righter you are, the righter
you are.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, that's how it works, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think it's interesting too that you'd say
it that way, because then we goback with a peacekeeper, they're
going to shut down and I win.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
But I find myself not able to get loud with a
peacemaker.
Right, so the people who arereally talented at being able to
calm a situation.
It's hard to get mad at thembecause they're logical.
They're usually pretty evenabout their emotion in the
situation.
They can see it from both sides.
They're able to say hey, listen, what you're experiencing

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doesn't feel good, but imaginewhat they're experiencing right
now.
I'm certain that that doesn'tfeel good either.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Dawn is a perfect example.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yes, she's a very even-tempered person.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Listen, I have a guy at work who is like this guy
doesn't get excited aboutanything.
He doesn't get excited aboutanything, like he doesn't get
worked up, he doesn't get angry.
And if you say to him hey, whatdo you think about this?
He's like yeah, that soundslike a good idea, we should work
on that, we should really trythat.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
And if there's two people who are in disagreement,
he's like well, let's step backand think about this for just a
second.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm like I don't want to step him in the face, but he
just has that it's, and he's adad, which I think is like they
don't yell.
They are not yellers.
His wife is so soft-spoken thatI think if I ever heard her
yell I would be shocked.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
They just they have a different demeanor about them I
wish I'd had that years ago, ohme too.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I still don't have it .
I was practically sitting onEaston the other day to give him
his pill Good gravy.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think anger, though , is a self-defense too, Because
if I spew out to you, then I'mprotecting myself from allowing
you to see how bad you hurt meyeah certainly, that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think that it's the go-to, regardless of the
emotion that we feel yeah.
I think happiness is the onlyone that we typically don't see
anger Like.
I'm feeling good about myselftoday, so I don't need to be
angry about anything.
But if I'm sad or if I'm, evenif I'm just simply annoyed or
over stimulated as parentsthat's's so easy to experience I

(24:26):
get touched out.
Easton, if you give me one morehug today, please do not touch.
He's sweaty and he stinks andI'm like dude go play, but he's
like I love you and comes overand wants to.
Oh, gosh.
And so then I try so hard not tobe mean, but it's hard because
I'm overstimulated.

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At this point I don't want anymore touch, leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, take all you can get, because in about
another four years I know that'swhat I'm saying- so that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
So like trying to process that into like don't be
hurtful about it, because theywant Again.
Those years aren't.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, we used to see Maggie 24 seven.
Now we're lucky to see her twohours a week.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's crazy.
She just disappears into herbedroom and it's like hey, how
you doing Okay.
It comes for dinner.
Every whip stitch.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Sarah and I had a little bit of tiff over Easter
and she's like I don't wantgrandma to be cool, I'm mom, I
want to be cool.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I said well, this is the thing.
Grandma's only going to be coolfor a few more years.
Yeah, and she's going to bebusy with school functions.
She's going to be busy withfriends and grandma's not going
to be fun anymore.
And then grandma's going to bebusy with friends and grandma's
not and then, and then grandma'sgoing to be old and smell like
mothballs.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
So I said just let me enjoy my time I also think that
, like my parents always allowedmy grandparents to be the cool
ones.
They my, like my grandma, I,this was a, and I know that my
parents knew this.
I know that my grandma knewthis.
But we would go to grandma'shouse and we wanted to spend the
night, mom and dad would say no, so we lived right down the
street, so we would go tograndma's house and fall asleep

(26:09):
on the couch and then she wouldcall my parents hey, michael
fell asleep on the couch, wejust let him stay here tonight.
And they would always say yesto grandma.
Right, I wasn't asleep, we getup, we'd play phase 10 or
whatever, but, or whatever, butgrandma, like, she was always
the cool grandma, um, my grandpa, let us go out in the wood shop
and work within.
That's how I, like, acquired mytaste in music, which is

(26:29):
incredibly eclectic because ofall of the things I got to do
with my grandparents, um, and my, but my parents were the
disciplinary right like in mylife.
So, but I think that that's howit should be.
Grandparents should always be.
You should be able to sugarthem up, shake them and send
them home.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Just wait for the top to blow off.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But that doesn't mean that parents have to be angry.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
As a parent you've earned that I think.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, I agree, it's like putting the mento in the
Coke.
Yes, yes, shake it up and handit off.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Top blows off of, it makes a mess in the house.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
They puked in a clothes basket full of clean
clothes well I got lots ofverses but not a whole lot of
story to go with it.
Keep going, keep going, allright my ears are ringing.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
You got more proverbs .
I got a few proverbs you go onahead.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I got some too.
You might hit on the same ones.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, for me, I always think that self-control
is such a big thing To practice.
Self-control is probably one ofthe most important attributes
of somebody who's trying toovercome their anger, because
you really do have to practiceself-control, not just with
anger, but in all things yeahbecause I think it all kind of
works together.

(27:48):
And in proverbs um, let's see,this is 29, 11 he says a fool
gives full vent to his anger,but a wise man keeps himself
under control.
And then I think, a littlefarther down, I had it, I think
I lost it.
Yes, proverbs 29, 22,.

(28:09):
An angry man stirs updissension and a hot temper.
One commits many sins.
So I think once you become anangry person, once you're kind
of using that weapon all thetime, then I think it can lead
you into a lot of othershortcomings you know, because

(28:30):
you're already practicing.
You're practicing one bad habit,so most likely you know others
are going to follow when youdon't have good self-control.
So and do you?
And when I say self-control,does that mean like 0%, you
never get upset, you never getangry.
No, but it just like Michaelsays, in professional situations

(28:53):
, you know, if you're going tobe a leader, if you're going to
be in management, then youbetter have self-control.
Because guess what, if you loseself-control, then everybody
underneath you is going to loseself-control.
Yeah, because you're thenucleus, you're the one that
controls everything, you're theone that sets the tone and you
lose their respect too yeah.

(29:14):
So if your workers always seethat you're angry that you don't
have situations under control,well then guess what I mean?
They're probably going to dothe same thing.
Right they they're probablygoing to do the same thing.
They're not?
Going to know where to draw theline and that can make things
very difficult for you in aprofessional standpoint.
And I would say the same thinggoes for family as being the
father, the husband in thehousehold if you don't have good

(29:37):
self-control, which doesn'tmean that you don't discipline.
Discipline is not getting angry.
There is a difference.
But if you lose yourself-control, if you're always
upset, if you're always yellingat everybody else, then your
household is probably going tobe in disarray.
It's hard to live with somebodywho's always angry.

(29:58):
That always has something to beshaken up about.
So you have to think aboutthose things.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
But I think that when you live in that kind of
household, that's how, what youcontinue to create, that's what
generational curses, that's whatI was going to say, that
becomes a generational curse.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I always say when I talk about generational curses
at some point you will have todeal with your father's demons,
and what I mean by that is, it'snot always your dad, it may be
your grandfather, it may be yourgreat grandfather, but at some
point you are going to have toface that in order to stop it.
And so I think anger is an easyone to pass on, because when

(30:36):
it's kind of like poverty, youknow, when you raise somebody in
poverty, they tend to raisetheir children in poverty.
When you get angry, yourchildren get angry.
When your children get angry,their children get angry.
And you just pass this downforever until somebody finally
says I'm not going to be angryanymore, I'm not going to be
that way.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Um.
So sometimes it can work thatif you're always angry, you know
, then your child may go throughlife fearing making people
upset.
Yes, so they won't beassertiveive, they won't do
things they should do becausethey're going to be afraid that
you know they're going to makesomebody upset.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So I actually had to google this because I've been
watching a show called homicidein las vegas, which is a
docuseries, and it's all aboutthe high profile crimes that
have happened in los angeles andhow they were tried and whether
they won or not, and such Doesanybody know the name Phil
Spector, yeah, music producer.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I mean he's produced.
You lost that love and feelingwith the Righteous Brothers,
like big, big Be my Baby by theRonettes.
Yes, I was gonna say I mean heproduced John Lennon and I mean
the Beatles, you name it.
He has.
He has worked with all of thehot names shot a girl in the
face in his house and it was notthe first time he had
brandished a gun at somebody.

(31:49):
He would be, I don't.
There was a guy, there was afamous singer, and I don't
remember who it was, who hadbeen in the studio all day, and
he said to Phil, hey, I'm tired,I'll record that tomorrow.
And he gets a gun out and hesays no, you'll record the song
tonight.
And the guy turned around andwalked back into the studio and
recorded the song.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Nobody at any point thought to say something to
somebody that this guy had losthis mind until he kills somebody
.
So that is that self-control.
When you start to form a badhabit, it only goes until it's
absolutely out of control.
And can you imagine and thisI've lived, this in my life Can

(32:29):
you imagine being so angry thatyou, you're willing to carry
that everywhere that you go andhave it explode in places that
would not be logical to explode?
Think about it like this let'ssay that you're really terrible
with your kids and you're you'realways yelling and you're
always mean.
And one of your kids goes toschool and they tell their
teacher that you're always meanto them and the teacher calls
job and family services and youknow job and family services

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comes to your house and you getangry because they show up and
what do you start to do?
You start to scream and yelland shout and they immediately
go.
Nope, this isn't good becauseyou can't control it.
You've lost complete control atsome point.
It's so weird to me that peopleare capable of getting to that
point.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
You think somebody that's always angry is happy or
unhappy?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I mean if they're happy.
It would be bizarre to me, butthere are some people, I'm sure,
who do enjoy it, who it's theirway of life, that it doesn't
really affect their outcome.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
They're just angry about everything.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
So it doesn't matter whether you like.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
They love to complain about everything, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
You go to.
You know, they go to Walmartand they just complain that
they've only got self checkoutsopen.
And then they go to the car andthey complain because there's,
their life is just that way andit doesn't it doesn't really
affect them.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Most of those people end up being very, very alone
yeah I have one person that it'sa friend on facebook, but we
were only like friends throughanother friend.
Somehow he's still my friend onfacebook just because I
unfriend those people and Iprobably should, I just haven't
done it.
But because it's almost like Iwant to say it's entertaining,
but it's just.

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There's no one else like him,they'll probably post at least
once a day, and it's alwayscomplaining.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Anti-something.
Something, yes, anti-something.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
And sometimes it's just so ridiculous.
And you're just like man, doyou ever have a moment where
you're not looking to criticizesomething?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Like living life through those lenses, like I
can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And then you're looking for people to.
Yeah, point the finger at ohyeah, add to yeah yeah.
So you're like you're trying tobreed discontent.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yep, yeah, that's a good way to put it You're
looking to breed discontent.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
That falls right into my next Because.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm angry.
I need you to be angry with me,which turns into forming a
posse, which turns into that'llbe deep.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Proverbs 30, 32.
If you have played the fool andexalted yourself, or if you
have planned evil, clap yourhand over your mouth.
Or if you have planned evil,clap your hand over your mouth,
For as turning the milk producesbutter and as twisting the nose
produces blood, so stirring upanger produces strife.

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Twisting the nose producesblood.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I like that I like that.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I just see the three stooges.
What verse was that that?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
was 30, 32.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And 33.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah that's got a little chuckle out of that, why?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
well, I don't know, you have to ask her why she's
why did why?
Why did you laugh?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
well, I'm just when I read it about striking the nose
causes blood.
When jarvey had that wound onhis leg that I had to pack every
morning at 3.30 in the morningand I'd put the dressing on.
Oh, that's too tight, take itoff now it's too loose, you
gotta put it on a little bittighter, and that one morning I
said I'm gonna punch you in thenose he's sitting on the edge of

(36:06):
the bed and I'm down wrappinghis leg.
It's 3.30 in the morning andhe's like you're jamming that.
You know cotton tip down inthere too far and I'm like just
shut up.
I'm not a very patient nurse.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And she was enjoying it.
Every minute, every minute.
It's too far.
Let me see if this hurts evenmore.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I have Proverbs 25, 28.
A person without self-controlis like a city with broken down
walls.
So pretty much you you know inthe bible times they all had
their walls for protection youput that down, you're just
creating your own problems.
Build the wall yeah, let's notaddress politics talk about

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anger.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Yeah, no now everybody's stirred up.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
There are people who just turned us off.
I don't know you got any moreNow everybody's stirred up.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
There are people who just turned us off.
You got any more.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Ephesians 4, 25.
Therefore, each of you must putoff falsehood and speak
truthfully to his neighbor, forwe are all members of one body.
In your anger, do not sin.
Do not let the sun go downwhile you are still angry and do
not give the devil a foothold.
He who has been stealing muststeal no longer but must work

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doing something useful with hisown hands that he may have
something to share with those inneed.
So I think that just goes backto.
You know, if you're spendingall your time angry, you're not
producing anything worthwhile.
You know you're probably.
You know you're not bringingpeople to you for sure.

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You know you're pushing a lotof people away.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're definitely not .

Speaker 3 (37:53):
And you're letting that emotion control your entire
life.
You know you can't grow.
You can't grow when you'reconsistently angry at people or
I feel like you I don't knowlike.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I feel like you almost can't be in the right
like walk with the lord.
If you're always angry, youknow what I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I think too that, like I mean wait, and it hardens
your heart.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
I mean, over time it's justgoing to, you know, make it
harder.
Person Really watch how wedisplay our anger, you know,
because there's always thatperson watching.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And if they're like you know, and if you're doing
God's work and somebody seesyour anger, then they'll go, hmm
.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Hypocrite.
Exactly, and that's what defersso many people from
Christianity.
I think the last one I hadwrote down was Romans 12, 17,
and 18.
Let me see if I got it markedhere.
What was up with you today?

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Never pay back evil with moreevil.
Do things in such a way thateveryone can see you are
honorable.
Do all things that you can tolive in peace with everyone.
I think that one took me backto my mom, always telling me two
wrongs don't make a right, twowrongs don't make it right.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, if you go back and you and I don't know the
scripture and I'm not trying toknow the scripture it talks
about.
You know, we pay an eye for aneye, tooth for a tooth, but
Jesus tells us later on to turnthe other cheek.
And so I think that it'simportant to understand that
when somebody gets angry with usover something, that and let's

(39:38):
be very clear that being angryis like drinking poison and
hoping the other person diesbecause I'm angry at you, so I'm
gonna drink poison and I hopethat you die.
you don't even know that I'mangry right I'm carrying it
around and I'm just bitter oversomething you're probably not
even aware that I'm holding onto, and so there's no reason to

(40:00):
maintain the anger, which is whyI'm a firm believer in always
having the conversation.
There's no point in holding onto that anger if you're not
going to at least gleansomething from it.
Like I can be upset aboutsomething, but I want to grow
from it.
I want to say, okay, why am Iangry?
What is causing me to be angry?
Is it because I'm hurt?
Is it because I'm sad?
Is it because I'm whatever?

(40:20):
I want to grow from it, notjust be angry for the sake of
being angry and hopes the otherperson figures out that I'm
angry.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
How are they going to know, unless you tell them?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, they'll know, because then I'll go tell three
other people, who will theneventually tell them be it true
or not.
They'll find out that I'm angrylike that's the, the typical?
Yeah, I mean, that's thechristian way, isn't it?
Well, because we don't know howto be direct with one another.
So we'll and again, we talkabout holy gossip, we'll get
into that one in another episodebut you start telling people.

(40:53):
Well, can you believe that bethdid this to me?
Yeah, can you believe that this?
can you believe that Beth didthis to me?
Yeah, can you believe that this?
Can you believe that that?
Yeah, somebody needs to bepraying for Beth.
She needs to go to the altar onSunday morning, and you say all
of those things.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Your side eye on her on Sunday.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And what happens is she don't show up on Sunday,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
She's on on the boat and doesn't show up on Sunday
and I'm like she needs Jesus.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, Listen, I can get a lot of Jesus on that boat.
Turn up that music and sitthere.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
So, but like, if I say something to Roger, who says
something to Linda, who sayssomething to you know, penny,
who says something to VickyHickey, who, and eventually,
like it, just continues to growand something that was really
not super important becomes thissituation that nobody even
really needed to know about.
But because I'm angry, becauseI'm hurt, because I'm whatever,
I use that then to—.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Leave Vicki Hickey out of it.
I know.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Listen, I'm told that she is on a sweater hunt.
She is out buying all of thesweaters.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, but I think that if we go back to what the
book tells us is what God's wordis.
You know, when you're upsetwith your neighbor, you go to
them and we don't it's.
We don't like thatconfrontation.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
No, no, I do.
I don't like the confrontation,like I don't want to argue with
you for the sake of arguingwith you, but I love to be able
to call somebody and have a hardconversation and it be fruitful
, because that's proof that itcan be done.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
That we can have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
A lot of people.
You might have to admit thatyou were wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes, yeah, yes or even humble yourself and say I
can see your side.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't have to agree with you, but I can see why you
feel that way, I can see howthat.
I can see whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would like to point out thatlast Sunday, my message was
identity crisis.
That was the title of mymessage for Easter Sunday, which
is a weird Easter Sundaymessage, but it's what I do, uh,
identity crisis, and threepeople got saved last Sunday on

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a message that was meant tooffend.
Yeah, like the purpose of themessage was to get somebody to
go.
Okay, I get it, I see it, I seewhat's happening and it was
mind-blowing.
Pastor Holly and I were talkingabout it and she's like it's so
crazy how God can move in suchand I don't want to call it a
simple word, but it was a fairlysimple message and it was like

(43:10):
here it is.
It's just gospel as it'spresented.
Take and do with it what youwant.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
You, and it's just gospel as it's presented.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Take and do with it what you want.
You're trying to wake people upand three people go.
Okay, got it and give theirhearts to Jesus on Sunday
morning.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I knew when you did that invitation.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, let me tell you why I did it.
Let me tell you why I did it.
It was not on the agendaoriginally, but I was like it's
Easter Sunday A lot of peoplehere who don't normally come.
When I was preaching, I saidsomething to the effect of how
many of you know Jesus as yourLord and savior?
And some people started puttingtheir hands up like not
everybody, and I didn't intendthem to, I was.

(43:45):
I just kept preaching and I sawone person's hand kind of creep
up and I knew that I had to doit.
So now, mind you, in my headwhile I'm preaching and you can
probably catch it if you go backand listen to it my mind moves
from the message that I'mpreaching to how do we work in
an altar call?
How do we work in a salvationprayer?
At the end of this.

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So I was like I kind of movedinto this pivot in order to make
all of it come together, and Iwas so thankful that I did,
because when we did thesalvation prayer and we asked
them to come forward, the onewho likes whose hand crept up
almost ran to the front and Iwas.
So I was like, okay, that wasdefinitely the right call, but

(44:28):
I'm.
It never ceases to amaze me themiraculous things that God will
do in such a small place, insuch a small place.
So is it my turn?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's your turn.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Okay, I got one more Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Okay, james 1, 19.
My dear brothers, take note ofthis.
Everyone should be quick tolisten, slow to speak and slow
to become angry, for man's angerdoes not bring about the
righteous life that God desires.
Two ears, one mouth.
Like our teachers used to tellus why can't this generation

(45:14):
like, because what did you say?
What did your?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
grandparents used to say I had a thought he's asleep
on the couch.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
No, they just had a lot of good say oh yes, and we
can't come up with anything.
No, we come up with skibbitytoilet Rizzler Chicken jockey.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
We come up with skibbity toilet.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Rizzler Chicken jockey.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
We come up with some weird stuff.
I mean, my grandpa used to sayyou make a better door than you
do a window.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yes, absolutely, we ain't got nothing on us.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I tell Jarby that all the time He'd stay in there.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
My grandpa's.
I'm not going to repeat thatone my grandpa always had the
dandies like they were always ohI uh, never mind, I'm not gonna
tell that story either did youtalk about the one?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
my mom always said two wrongs don't make it right.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I was thinking, yeah yeah, that was what, yeah, yeah
okay, so this is not necessarilyabout anger as much as it is
about the heart of a person whotypically is angry.
Okay, so this is the story ofAnanias and Sapphira.
There was a man named Ananiaswho, with his wife, sapphira,

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sold some property.
He brought part of that moneyto the apostles but claimed that
it was the full amount.
His wife agreed with thisdeception.
Then Peter said Ananias, whyhas Satan filled your heart?
You lied to the Holy Spirit andyou kept some of the money for
yourself.
The property was yours to sellor not to sell as you wished,

(46:51):
and after selling it, the moneywas yours to give away.
How could you do a thing likethis?
You weren't lying to us, but toGod.
And as that story goes on, heends up striking Ananias dead
and then ends up strikingSephirah dead.
And what's bizarre to me isthey were so wrapped up in

(47:14):
looking good that they wouldclaim this lie.
Now, this is one of the fewtimes that we see somebody just
drop dead in the New Testamentfrom the wrath of God, and I'm
shocked by it, because you knowthat they would have been
miserable people.
What choice would they have had?
Because what reason would theyhave had to lie, unless they

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were miserable people, and youcan almost guarantee that they
would have argued that no,that's not true.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I gave you everything, but theHoly Spirit said no, you didn't.
And the Holy Spirit knew.
Whether Paul knew or not, theHoly Spirit knew, and that's
truly what matters.
So when you're angry, whetheryou're angry inside or outside,

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the Holy Spirit already knowsthat You've already sinned if
you're experiencing it on theinside right.
So I think it's important forpeople to understand that anger
can't just be.
I can't just scream into apillow and pretend like I'm not
angry, because, guess what, I'mstill angry.
My heart is still hard, I'mstill experiencing that

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spiritual emotion.
That is not healthy for myspirit man.
My flesh man can be angry allat once because in my opinion
it's dead anyway, but my spiritman cannot be angry.
I cannot allow that to keep myheart hard.
Okay, okay, back to where Ireally wanted to be Mark 10, 14.

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Now we could go a lot of wayswith this.
I would love to talk aboutLazarus.
Whenever Jesus went to the tomband he wept.
If you read that, continuinglike people, read that and go oh
, jesus wept because Lazarusdied.
No, he wept because he wasangry.

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He was frustrated that none ofthem believed the things that he
had told them.
I've told you that he is justasleep.
I have told you that he willwake up.
I have told you all of thesethings and all you can hear is
that, yes, in the last days hewill rise again.
So Jesus has anger there andthe anger is displayed through

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weeping.
But that's not my favorite one,because my favorite one is this
All right, so we are in uh,mark 10, and it'll be 14 through
16.
I'm actually gonna start in 13.
One day, some parents broughttheir children to Jesus so that
he could touch them and blessthem, but the disciples told
them not to bother him.

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When Jesus saw this washappening, he was very
displeased with his disciplesand he said to them let the
children come to me, don't stopthem, for the kingdom of God
belongs to such as these.
Kingdom of God belongs to suchas these.
I assure you, anyone whodoesn't have their kind of faith
will never get into the kingdomof God.

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If you read that in King JamesVersion I forget the word that
it uses.
Let me look and see if I can itsaid he was indignant.
Jesus was angry that they wouldtell the children not to come
to him.
So I struggle with peoplecomplaining about the kids being
noisy in the sanctuary.
Listen, my kids aren't noisy inthe sanctuary.

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They know better, right, butthey were raised in church.
They've been in church theirentire lives.
They don't know anythingdifferent than Sunday morning
stand, sit, go to class,whatever the case may be.
But there are some people whocome to church for the first
time with kids who throw blocksacross the sanctuary and make

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loud noises and do all of thethings.
Listen, unless you have faith,like a child, you will not enter
into heaven.
So much so that Jesus was angrywhen they tried to stop the
children from coming to him.
We have to stop worrying aboutwhat the things that are going
on around us when we're in thesanctuary Listen.

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Hats.
I know like everybody gets onme about this because, like I
get so weird about this stuff, Idon't care if you wear a hat in
the building.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
I noticed Chase didn't wear a hat on Easter he
didn't?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
He's like I'm not going to wear a hat in the
building I noticed Chase didn'twear a hat on Easter.
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
He's like I'm not going to wear a hat Because
he'll mention it.
If I wear a hat, He'll mentionit.
No, he's like, no, I got tohave some mad respect for this
day, oh goodness.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So people get upset about hats.
Now I don't allow the kids torun in the building, not
necessarily out of respect forthe building but out of safety,
because they just run intopeople.
They don't care, they don'tcare, they're not allowed to
throw things and there's like,there's behaviors.
But that's more about safetythan it is just about respect
for the house.

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But I don't get worked up aboutthose things because I'm just
happy that they're here.
Right, you know you have kidsthat are calling around on the
floor under the chairs and you,and, while that may be
disturbing to some people, atleast they're in church.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
And I feel like at that point you need to have
self-control, to be more focused, because at the end of the day,
this is coming from a new mom.
That is life.
You might forget, or maybe youdidn't have a newborn or a
toddler, a pre-toddler, that'steething like crazy.
What's held all the time likethat's life, I'm sorry I think
sid's experiencing somethingright now.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I think sid's feeling a certain way right now because
I mean, or are youoverstimulated?

Speaker 4 (52:25):
yeah, just bring the kid or happy.
Yeah, let me, let me just beangry you know, take an hour and
a half to to prepare, and thenby the time we take an hour and
a half to do you, and then bythe time we take an hour and a
half to do you know to prepare,then it's nap time, like
everyone just forgets sometimes.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, they know and newborns and not even newborns.
Toddlers are hard, it is hardto deal with.
I mean honestly, until they'reout of diaper phase it's hard
yeah because there's alwaysyou're, you're packing that bag
and you've always you.
You get here and you realize youdidn't put any diapers in the
diaper bag.
That's a real problem, likethat's a real kind of meltdown
moment.
But I think the point is isthat we tend to forget that that

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is the next generation of thechurch and if we don't allow
them to be a little bit noisyand a little bit messy and you
know, finger paint and do allthe kind of wild, crazy stuff in
church, they will grow up toresent the church.
Right, and when they grow up toresent the church, listen again
.
My kids understand how tobehave in church because they
were raised in church.
Yes, but they also expectchurch to still be somewhat

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entertaining.
Emmett is looking forward tododgeball.
He's like Dad, do you think Ican go this year?
I'm like heck yeah, it's notgoing to hurt him to come and
play dodgeball.
But I wouldn't tell Dale youprobably shouldn't bring Elsa,
because if she gets pegged inthe face with a dodgeball she's
going to know it.
I wouldn't tell you to bringRosalind.

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Cooper probably shouldn't come.
There's an age at which theycan come.
But we talk about age ofaccountability.
Yeah, we talk about the age atwhich they should take communion
.
Here's the thing I don't thinkthere's an age for communion,
but there is an understanding ofwho Jesus is, what the blood
represents, what the bodyrepresents, like there's.
And if, if you're raising achild who doesn't understand it,

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they should not be takingcommunion.
Right, like that's just the waythat it is and that is on you,
not on me right, right, if theycome up front, I'm gonna let
them have communion, but that ison you and not on me, because
now we do communion after thekids have gone to class, but
there are some of the older kidsstill stay in there and so we
just like, as a parent, you haveto, you have to deal with that

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well, some parents don't want todeal with that no, because
their kids.
I didn't get one, I didn't getone or they don't want to have
to explain yeah they don't wantto have to be the teacher.
Yeah well, you know, that's andthat's all, parents all the time
they want the school to teachtheir kids about.
You know all of the the thingsin life, rather than them having
to be teachers as well.
Um, and then the other one thatwe have to obviously talk about

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while we're sitting here iswhen Jesus goes into the temple
and he starts flipping tables.
He is not flipping tablesbecause he's losing at Monopoly.
He's not flipping tablesbecause somebody has made him
angry.
He is flipping tables becausethey have turned a house of
worship into a den of thieves.
I will tell you that whenFlorence was here, you weren't

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allowed to sell fundraiser itemsin this building.
Like, if you, if your kids wereselling cookie dough, you were
not welcome to bring that intothe building because she viewed
that as like now, we're justexchanging money.
This is, and when Jesus wasdoing that, when he was, when he
became angry, they had takensacrificial animals.

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They were selling to people whoare coming through to pay their
taxes We've talked about thiswho are coming through to pay
their taxes, and they weremaking money off of it.
They were making a profit offof it.
And in the old Testamentsomewhere and I don't we just
recently read this, Sid, ifyou're up to speed on the speed
on our reading they said that ifyou get to the altar to
sacrifice an animal and yourealize that your heart is not

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right with God, leave the animal, go, get right with God, come
back and sacrifice the animal.
That is not what they wereteaching.
They were teaching buy theanimal, sacrifice the animal,
now you are clean.
Buy the animal, sacrifice theanimal, now you are clean.
And it was this ritualistictransaction that was happening.
They were exchanging money andagain they were making money off
of all of these things.

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They had genuinely turned thetemple into a place where they
could make a profit and it was aproblem, and it was a real
problem and can I tell you, it'swhy people hate the church
today.
Look at the money machine megathe church today.
Look at the money machine megachurches.
And I don't discredit any ofthe things that they're doing,

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but they're running businesses,not really running ministries.
I was reading some Googlereviews for a certain church in
our area that's slightly largerthan most other churches, holy
smokes.
The one review was like youknow, we were new to the area.
We decided to pop in here.
Had you not told me that it wasa Christian church, I would

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have never known what they stoodfor, what they believed.
They'd never mentioned thegospel.
The name of Jesus may have beenmentioned once or twice and the
pastor had to go to his Bibleto reference the scripture
because he couldn't remember anyof it.
Now I think that that's like ifyou wanted to quote it and you
wanted to read it exactly howit's written.
I think that's fair, but thepoint was was they were like

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this is not okay.
This is the they said.
Their last line was this is thetextbook definition of a
lukewarm church, and that'sexactly what the body of Christ
has become the lukewarm church.
That's because we want to pleaseeveryone Well exactly so is it
Casting Crowns that has the song.

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We want our coffee in the lobby.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
We want our missions overseas, we want a rock star
preacher Like that's what peoplecome to church for now.
They want smoke and they wantlights and they want listen.
I have a really good friend whois no longer a pastor but used
to be, and they did what theycalled a seeker service.
So this service was designedfor people who were not saved to
come and hear the gospel.
So our hope is that we're goingto do something wild and crazy

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and you've never heard thegospel of Jesus or you're not a
believer that you can come andunderstand what we believe in,
what we do.
Okay, they would play you knowhighway to hell or bat out of
hell, like their worship team isplaying.
This music guy flying throughthe sanctuary on a motorcycle
using chainsaws to cut up logs,like it was the spectacle to get
people to believe in Jesus.

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And he told his congregation donot come to this service, do
not come to this, because if youcome you will be offended.
And it worked.
He grew a church of 60 peopleto a church of 300 people
Because he wasn't afraid to gooutside of the box.

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Yeah, to quote unquoteentertain these people for a
short moment so that they couldunderstand who Jesus really is.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
But did they really?
I mean, did they?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Oh, yes, no, Did they have a church of believers.
Yes, they had a very strongchurch of believers.
Listen, he is probably one ofthe.
He has a PhD and he has adoctorate in biblical studies.
Incredibly intelligent man, buthe is an entertainer at heart
and he knew that in order to getpeople to even come into the
church for those services, youwere going to have to make a

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name for yourself.
That people's like I just wantto see what he's going to do, I
just want to see what he's goingto do.
And then they get there andthey're like holy smokes.
He really died for me.
Like, I mean, when they werecutting up, they were talking
about the body of Christ andhacking this log into pieces and
like all of the pain andsuffering, that it was nuts, the
stuff that he would tell methat he did, but it worked, but

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it worked.
You couldn't do that here.
Oh no, you couldn't do that here, because if you even said I'm
going to have a seeker serviceand I don't want you to come,
the place is still going to befilled with people that come in
and they're going to be likewhat is happening in here, and I
rightfully so.

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But I think there's a pointwhen we have to understand the
difference, because Jesus wantsthose people to come to him,
right.
Right, we have to make thegospel accessible to all of
those people, and if, asChristians, we can't see value
in that and all we want to do isbe angry that somebody won't do
it the way we want to do it,like that's a big one for me,
well, you don't do it the way Iwould do it.
I don't really care, I don't.
I one time preached a messageand I don't remember the message

(01:00:27):
.
I don't remember the week thatit was.
I walked out of the pulpit andI had somebody say why didn't
you do an?
altar call at the end of thatmessage and you know what I
wanted to do Twist their noseuntil it bled Because I was like
how dare you, how dare you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
But this is the thing the altar is open at all times.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
If you felt led to go to the altar, you should have
been there, and not just that,but if God didn't speak that to
my heart in that moment, thenthere was no reason for me to do
it, right, right.
So I feel like there are peoplewho get angry or frustrated, or
they don't understand certainthings, and then they become
resentful and then you deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
They expect themselves out of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Oh yes, yes, that's one of my go-to phrases.
I cannot expect myself out ofother people because nobody else
is going to do it like I do.
Nobody else is going to thinkthe way I think, operate the way
I operate.
It's a good thing for me yeah,and then I get angry when they
don't do what I, what I would doyeah even doesn't matter how
clear the direction is or howclear I think it is.
I'll just give you this example.

(01:01:31):
Why is he pointing his hand?

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
you talk about my, my eas table?
No, no, that wasn't my idea, bythe way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I we, we do some crazy stuff at work.
So I had um, the generalmanager of the theater.
He called me.
He's like hey, I was told togive this project to you so that
you could make it happen.
He's like here's the vision.
He's like I want this great bigbox hanging from the loft of
the barn.
He's like, and it's going to bea magic trick and inside of
that box the entire show isgoing to be a prediction that
the audience is going to make.

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He's like so I need this thingto be rigged up.
It needs to be safe.
Yada, yada, yada.
I came up with I shouldn't say I, me and my maintenance team
came up with this.
I mean, this box was, which isthree stories tall, like this
thing is.
It's humongous.
And last night they started tomount it and we had to bring in

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a lift to do it.
Bring in this lift, and westart putting it up and I get a
text message from the owners andthe theater general manager and
they're like full stop, wedon't want to do this, we're
afraid that it's too dangerousand that it's going to hurt
somebody.
So so I spoke to all of thesafety aspects.
You know, we put in an electricwinch, there's no way it could
drop.
It's less than 1% chance thatthis thing would fail.
Yada, yada, yada.
And they said we understand that, but we won't stake our

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livelihoods on it, because ifthat box were to drop and kill
somebody, they're on the hookfor it.
Not me, right, and I was likefine.
So they're like a, one by one,by one box, eight feet off the
ground.
You want to talk about?
Take the wind out of your sails.
You've just put all of thistime and energy.

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And I had two options in thatmoment Be angry or get over it
and get it done.
Right, and I chose get over itand get it done.
Was I frustrated because we puttime and energy into that box
and it looked freaking cool?
Yes, I was.
Yeah.
Was I frustrated because we puttime and energy into that box
and it looked freaking cool?
Yes, I was angry.
I wasn't angry, I wasfrustrated.
But I realized that, like Isaid, that's not my yeah.

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If that box were to fall andkill somebody, I might lose my
job because the company is goingto go under, but they're going
to lose their homes.
They're going to lose theirbusinesses yeah, like it's going
to be ugly, and so we have toput into perspective that it's
not always about us and thethings that we want it's.
Sometimes we have to put intoperspective that it is about

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other people it's about thepeople around us.
And so when I'm angry and I shownothing but anger all the time
or when I'm frustrated and Ishow nothing but frustration all
of the time, people will pickup on that and then you become
the person who is neversatisfied.
You become and people stillthink that about me because I'm
such a control freak.
I'm a control freak because Idon't believe that everybody

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that I have in my life istrustworthy.
Right, people will say I wantto help with that, and then they
don't help with that.
Or they say I'll take care ofthat, and then it doesn't get
taken care of.
And so then, beth, I think thisis yours you can trust some
people with a lot and somepeople with little, and there
are some people who I only trustwith little.
And when I can trust you withlittle, I will give you more.

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But I don't want that to bemisconstrued or misconveyed as
being angry or hostile, becausethat's not the truth.
The truth is is I just need youto understand the importance of
, whatever the task is thatwe're, that we're doing that
spirit of excellence that wetalk about yeah yeah, I've got

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more, but we're over an hour, sowell, I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Uh, I had one more thing and uh, jesus mentioned
seven ways to guarantee god'sanchor and they often refer to
these as the seven woes.
So this kind of goes on through, uh, the new testament and I
have it here in matthew, so itkind of spreads over Matthew in

(01:05:16):
like chapter 23.
But I got a little highlight ofwhat those seven woes are.
So the first one is not lettingothers enter the kingdom of
heaven and not enteringyourselves and not entering

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yourselves.
Number two converting peopleaway from God to be like
yourself.
Number three blindly leadingGod's people to follow man-made
traditions instead of God's word.
Number four involving yourselfin every last detail and
ignoring what is reallyimportant justice, mercy and

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faith.
Number five keeping upappearances while your private
world is corrupt.
Number six acting spiritual tocover up sin.
And number seven, pretending tohave learned from past history,
but your present behavior showsyou have learned nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Can you back up and read those last two for me again
, the last two.
I need you to read those realloud for anybody that's
listening, real loud, Okay,number six, acting spiritual to
cover up sin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
And number seven, pretending to have learned from
past history.
But your present behavior showsyou have learned nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Preach Good gravy.
That's got to hurt.
Think about that.
How many times have weportrayed ourselves as righteous
or holy or whatever?
And this is just on that showthat I was watching, that LA
Homicide show there's a guy whomurders two people in cold blood

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in their driveway.
He shows up to the courthousewhen he gets arrested, holding
guess what A Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Jailhouse salvation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
No, he wasn't even in jail at this point.
He had not been arrested.
So they had proof uh, they were.
They had proof that he wasthere, but not enough to prove
it.
But they had two eyewitnessesand so they wanted him in a
lineup.
He was not, he would not comewillingly, so they had to get an
arrest warrant in order to makehim come to the lineup.
And he shows up to the lineupholding a Bible.

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He ain't read a word of thatBible, but he's pretending to be
righteous so that people willlook at him and think that he is
changed and it was like 38years after the murders happened
.
Can you imagine 38 years later?
Wow, I think it was actually 40years to the day when he was
finally convicted.
Can you imagine that familyhaving to deal with that for 40

(01:07:59):
years?
So he shows up with this Biblebecause he wants to look a
certain way.
He's pretending like he'slearned something when in all
honesty, hasn't learned a thing,Hasn't learned a thing.
The first one that you said,though, like prioritizing
religious rituals over likeactual needs, actual human needs

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, and that goes back to thehealing of the man on the
Sabbath.
Do you know what I mean?
This is a man-made rule thatyou can't work on the Sabbath
because God took a day of rest,and so they've turned this into
a thing.
You know, in our denominationinsists that I shouldn't say
insists, but they highlyrecommend that all of their
pastors take a Sabbath, that weall have one day of rest where

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we are not working.
And I said I would love for youto tell me when I can do that.
I'm not trying to be stupid,but I have a day job that I have
to go to right, so that's fivedays a week, and that job is
really, honestly, on call sevendays a week.
So you know we can say, okay,I'll take that on Saturday.
It doesn't work like that,because Saturday is my day to

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get stuff done at my house.
That's not rest, that is notrest at all, and so I feel like,
oftentimes, we prioritize thatbecause it's something that
religion says we should doversus something that Jesus says
that we should do.
So.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
What was the fifth one?
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
One, two, three.
Keeping keeping up appearanceswhile your private world is
corrupt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Oh, can I speak to that one?
Sure, For just a second.
So I'm going to reference theyoung adult Christmas party.
I was just talking about thiswith somebody else.
A conversation ensued at theyoung adult Christmas party that
was a little off color, it wasa little weird, and that happens
pretty regularly because we'rea fairly close group of friends,
Like we all.
We have a regular chat togetherand we all spend time together,

(01:09:56):
and so and it wasn't like oh mygosh, this shouldn't be
happening.
But it was a conversation thatI was like I would be
uncomfortable having this withanybody Like for me it's not
something that I want to discuss.
And somebody said something tome oh, you don't do this.
And I said absolutely not.
And then later I said to mywife I said, even if I did, you

(01:10:17):
think I?
I would never in a million yearstell anybody in that room,
because I have such greatrespect for you right right we
want to share some of the mostintimate details.
Listen, I know stuff aboutpeople in this church that would
make you vomit yeah, you onlyyou only heard mine, because I
was mad.

(01:10:37):
I don't.
But here's the thing I don'teven think I remember yours so
likely it wasn't anything thatwas like it didn't scar me.
I can tell you that I haveheard some stuff that has
scarred me for life, that likeI'll never forget it.
These are when I retire frompastoring, I will write a book
with these stories in it.
When I retire from pastoring, Iwill write a book with these

(01:10:59):
stories in it, guaranteed.
And I thought to myself, we sooften on social media portray
this perfect lifestyle, whenbehind the scenes, everything is
an absolute mess.
And even if what you're doingdoes not feel messy to you, it
is not in the will of God andtherefore it is still, in fact,
messy.
But we don't want to talk aboutthat.
We don't want to talk about thethings that are a little bit

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iffy, we don't want to makepeople uncomfortable.
And now, see, I have to becareful on Sunday mornings now,
because the big kids don't goback to class.
So we're in the Old Testament,so all of the young adults are
doing a Bible read together andwe're all on the same plant I
shouldn't say all of us, but ahandful of it.
And uh, right now it's talkingabout um Abraham and sleeping

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with, with his wife's servant,and like I mean, the word sex is
in there far more often than Icare to think about.
But here's the word sex is inthere far more often than I care
to think about.
But here's.
What's funny is I have realizedthat just recently in my life I
used to be able to watch TV andif there was an inappropriate
adult scene it didn't bother me.
Now I find myself fastforwarding through that stuff
because I'm like it's not, likeit's not something that I care

(01:12:10):
to put myself.
But now I'm reading the Bibleand it's there and I'm like, can
we fast forward this?

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I know the bible and it's there and I'm like, can we
fast?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
forward this like I know I was listening.
I'm like what was the?
What was the lots?
Two daughters that went intothe tent had sex with him and I
was like what is happening?
Why are we reading this?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
but in the way he read it too, I'm like stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Are you listening to the new living translation?
That guy is creepy when hetalks about those things and
then that one laid down with thedeck.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I'm like duh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
But it's an important part of what we're reading and
what we're doing, but when youcome to a place in your life
where that is like you're notcomfortable with those
conversations, that's a newlevel of spiritual maturity
where you can say I don't wantto have this conversation, I'm
not comfortable sharing thatpart of my life with you.
You, you aren't somebody that Iwould entrust with.

(01:12:59):
That information about my life,um it just.
It is really strange to think,though, that there are some
people who just share it openly,just tell you about all the
things.
All the things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
That's Jarvie and I have this ongoing battle about
Mike and Molly.
He loves that.
I was like they're just foul.
It's foul.
I said they're either drinkingor talking about sexual
relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
They're gross.
Yeah, I don't know that I'veever watched it.
I've seen clips of it, but Idon't know that I've ever
watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
He's like well, it's not Mike and Molly, it's her
drunk mom.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I said exactly, You're still watching it, yeah
still, and you're stillconsuming it to some degree.
Yeah, and that's a hard part oflife is learning to not consume
the things that will trip youup.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
You know there are.
So think about and I say menbecause it is a majority men
problem, but it's not strictlymen, but men who are addicted to
pornography and they watch a TVshow where there's a half naked
woman.
Do you think that that doesn't?

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
I mean that immediately triggers their mind
into some sort of like I was, uh, at my grandma's today and she
had like a little I think it waslike my grandpa's old wallet,
like when he was in the servicelike there were a couple
different pieces that werelaminated, like his vaccination
card, um, a couple other things.
There was like a military card.
But then there was a billygraham newspaper article and it

(01:14:21):
spoke just exactly about that.
He said, basically saying likehow a 22 year old male's mind
acts yes, that's normal, butacting lustfully on it is not,
you know correct.
So, and it was, I was, but youknow for him to carry that with
him, like you know he carriedthat with him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I think it's important to say that and I talk
about this anytime I talk aboutlustful thoughts that men are
stimulated by sight, women arestimulated by touch.
So for a guy it is much easierto be stimulated than it is for
a woman.
So, like you can see somethingand go, you might see a man and
go oh, he, he's, that's a goodlooking man, he's handsome,

(01:15:01):
whatever.
But you are not going to get sowrapped up in it Like a man
would if it were a woman, and soit is much easier for us to sin
in that way than it is forwomen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Or like instant versus response, or do you know
what I'm talking about?
Like men are, it's like instantyes whereas women you have to
like they have to respond tosomething that takes time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, yes, and so I feel like men don't realize that
about themselves, and so thenthey're quick to get excited
about anything.
Do you know like?
This is probably one thing thatI've learned just being in the
service industry, and you hearthis a ton in the hotel world we
have almost our entire frontdesk staff is female, both of

(01:15:43):
our properties.
Our phone staff is mostlyfemale for our cabin properties,
and what's funny is you get aguest who's upset for whatever
reason, and when they call andyou're talking to this person,
they're like well, that personwas flirting with me the whole
time I was checking in.
No, they were being nice yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
You were trying to flirt with them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
There is a difference and you were mad that you
didn't get what you wanted.
I can't tell you, when I workedat the front desk at one of my
hotels, one of my old hotels howoften I was as a front desk
manager.
The girls would tell me hey,there's a guy in this room who

(01:16:20):
asked me multiple times to cometo his room.
How weird is that.
But men think that they can askthe question and here we are.
So I I we're way off topic, butI think that it's important to
to note that it is.
It is a real problem.
It is a real problem that menhave to be very cognizant of,
but so do women.
Yeah, because when you dress acertain way, you know you're
drawing attention to yourselfand so and I don't like women

(01:16:42):
should not be ashamed of theirbodies and they should be able
to dress however they want, butunderstand what that does right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
My wife the other day said to me, because sometimes
it'll be the first ones to go,can you believe he looked?

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
that's what I was about to say.
Really yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, there are.
This is again no jab atbreastfeeding.
I think breastfeeding isbeautiful, it's natural,
whatever.
But you have those moms whobreastfeed in public and they
don't cover themselves up andthey wonder why people stare.
I'm not staring because I wantto look at you.
I went, whoa, wait a second,that just happened, right.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's that kind of likethat shock factor and, yeah, and

(01:17:15):
culturally we're not used to it, so that's always going to be
that way, right?
So I feel like there's a don'tbe offended that somebody has
taken a second look or glancedwhen you have put yourself in a
position where they're going toyeah, right, yeah, it doesn't
hurt to take a receiving blanket, just flip it Right, right and
it's hot under there, Okay, cool, Get it.

(01:17:37):
I'm not and I'm not saying thatlike I don't care what you do,
but just there people are goingto take a second look.
Yeah, I don't think that it'sdisrespectful.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Just know that they're going to take a.
It's going to happen.
It's not natural.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Yeah, it's going to happen.
They don't wear tops anyway, sothere's always a baby hanging
off and you know it's whatever.
Yeah, that's normal for them.
It is not normal culture here,and so you, we, we as a, as a
society, have to adapt a littlebit.
But then also, you know, asindividuals, we have to adapt a
little bit as well.
We have to know what decorum isand know how to behave
ourselves yeah yeah, you know,but you might as well not have a

(01:18:14):
netflix, or a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
HBO Max account or any of those, Because if you do,
you're going to see somethingthey're going to get you.
I mean because all the showsare that way.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I mean all of them.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
That's what makes the money.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, very few.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
And that's how they make their money.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, because they're entertaining the world.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Yeah, their intention is to entertain the world.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yeah, and there's no like when we were kids, there
was boundaries to what you watch, Like your parents didn't even
have to control it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
They controlled it for us Right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Even to the point where, okay, if it was kind of a
risky show, it doesn't come onuntil like 10 pm, once the kids
are in bed.
Right Now it's just, it's afree for all, everything's on
the same and it's instant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
You can watch it anytime you want yeah.
You know, I think back to whenwe talk about those things and
we'll jump to an Elvisconversation, like when they
censored Elvis and would onlyshow him from the waist up.
That was society as a wholesaying this didn't feel like it
was okay.
Now we can't decide what's okayand what's not, because if I
tell you this doesn't feel okay,our moral compass is broken.

(01:19:26):
We've had this conversation amillion times as well.
And without Jesus, without God,without the Bible, what is your
moral compass point?
How do you have morals if youdon't have a basis, a baseline
for morals?
This is what gives us thatbaseline for morals.
And so you know, in a societythat doesn't want to believe in

(01:19:47):
Christ still feels like weshould have morals, but those
morals are incredibly twisted.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, I can remember.
Growing up I wasn't allowed towatch Sonny and Cher.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Because how Cher dressed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Cher was, she was who .

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
My dad thought that too.
That's probably the real reasonI wasn't allowed to watch.
Dad didn't get to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Mom wouldn't let dad watch Cher, so nobody's watching
Cher in this house.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
But yeah, because of how she did dress.
And MTV.
I remember when MTV came out Iwas not allowed to watch that
either.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
That's interesting, I mean.
But I get it because now you'reinto it, a type of Wait, a
minute.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
How old were you when MTV came out?
Because I was 22.
I was like five or six.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
So I probably was about 12, 13, 14, right in there
, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Would you think Beth was a lot older than she is?

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Well, I, just Because to me it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
You see how you create strife in the room,
create tension.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I guess I would assume by then you was almost
like late teens, or.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I don't even know when MTV came out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
It was like early 80s 81, 82 right is when it came
out so maybe I was a little bitolder, but I wasn't allowed to
watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Yeah for some reason I feel like it was 79.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I don't know why, but it could all I know is I wasn't
around for it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
That's all I'm saying I remember my, my parents they
were uh, recording it on vhsbecause it was that big of a
deal, so they had all the musicvideos on VHS so they could
watch them anytime they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
And then one time your dad recorded over their
wedding VHS.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
My mom would exercise to music videos.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Oh my gosh 1981.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
She would have big cans of corn and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
I was just going to say I remember growing up my mom
would and I don't like.

(01:21:52):
These were like you could mailorder VHS tapes, exercise VHS
tapes and whatever they were.
They upstairs and you'd hearthump thump, thump thump because
coming back down off that,that's a huge step, I think box
jumps yes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
I was like what is going on?
Your calves were probablylooking nice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I was like this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Actually I don't think MTV was too bad until,
honestly, until they quitplaying music videos and they
started reality TV that's whenit started getting bad in the
early 90s agreed and they lostall logic at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I remember I had a friend in high school who would
race home from school.
When we got off the bus shewould run straight into the
house, turn on MTV and watchTotal Request Live, which was an
absolutely worthless show,because they rated the songs
that were on the pop charts and,like you started at 10 and you
worked your way up to one andfor weeks it would be the same
stinking show but they wouldhave different people on it

(01:22:48):
because you know the songs wouldmove around on the chart by one
or two spots but ultimately itwas the same list of songs for
weeks until one new song wouldpop on and then another new song
would pop on, but she wouldrace home to watch that every
single day and they didn't evenplay the whole song.
You would hear a clip and see aclip of the video.

(01:23:09):
You never even saw the wholething.
What is like?
Why are people entertained?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
by this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
why are people entertained by this?
I didn't want to listen toCarson.
Daly talk about all of thesebands and panoramic shots of all
the people standing outside ofthe studio in New York City.
Nobody cares, nobody cares.
But teenage girls at the timeloved that show.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
And you can't do that today.
I mean everything's YouTube,Everything's Insta.
You don't need shows like thatanymore it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Do anybody still watch the Macy's Thanksgiving
Day Parade?
How many of you actually watchit on TV?
I don't we watch it on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
what's the difference ?
Live?

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
it's really not necessarily different, but the
angle that you're getting is ahighly produced angle.
We get to see all the ugly likecause, all of that stuff is
prerecorded, like all of theirvocals are prerecorded.
None of that's real.
And you get to see the reallybad stuff when you watch them on
on YouTube, because they're notpositioned like the ABC cameras
are like yeah it's like someguy with the cops half of a

(01:24:15):
cop's back in the frame and yeah, I watched the turkey bowl
first.
You watched the turkey I havenever watched it, don't even
know what it is on fox 8 newsthat's about to oh frozen turkey
never seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
They hit the cans of cranberry never seen it.
Yeah, and of course, everythinggoes to charity, but it's just
fun because everybody dresses upin costume.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
You've never even heard of it.
Never heard of it.
I feel like it's advertised alot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
What's the joke about the turkey drop?
There are turkeys everywhere.
It's an old sketch, wkrp orsomething like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
It's not.
The sky is falling, no hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
But I find it highly entertaining.
I don't miss it yeah.
I said all the turkeys,everything goes to charity.
Yeah, they're well tenderized.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Yeah, Is it?
Did you say before or afterWKRP Cincinnati?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
So it's before the Macy's day parade, yeah, so I
think it starts at.
It might start like at 6 am.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Yeah, something like that.
I think my dad would watch itand then, right before the
parade would start, we wouldcatch the tail end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yeah, it's called WKRP Cincinnati, oh the show
yeah.
And there's a like they'redropping turkeys out of a
helicopter and it's a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Frozen turkeys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
No, they're live turkeys.
It turns into chaos.
I was going to say frozenturkeys.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
That could be a little dangerous.
I'll have to check that out.
It's weird.
I used to watch it when I'd beon summer vacation, at two in
the morning, Whatever it was onNick at Night or whatever but
that was on a lot, jeez yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Okay, Well, so we ended up messed up in our
rotation because Dawn and Bethwere both gone.
So it's technically it wasDawn's turn to pray, but Beth
missed, so she got skipped.
So then it went to Nick.
So now it's back to Beth, andthen when Dawn comes back, it'll
go back to Dawn and then overto Roger.
It's nothing like making thatsuper complicated, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
All, roger, it's nothing like making that super
complicated right?
Yes, all right, beth, so it isall you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Dear Heavenly Father, we just thank you that we can
come together and have theconversation that we can have
regarding your word, and wethank you that how you have
opened our eyes and opened ourmind to your word tonight.
Dear Father God, we ask thatyou bless each and every one of
us as we leave here tonight andget us home safely, and that you
remind us as we go through ourpaths throughout the days that

(01:26:43):
not to anger, not to be quick toanger, to look at you first and
always.
In Jesus' precious name, I pray, amen, amen.

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