July 16, 2025 • 56 mins
Ever found yourself battling the elements just to keep warm, only to be thwarted by a malfunctioning furnace? Join us as we dive into the trials and tribulations of maintaining warmth in our church with Pastor Holly. From the frustrations of canceling a Wednesday night service to the irony of avoiding cold when work demands otherwise, we share a candid conversation on keeping the congregation cozy. Our journey takes us through the practicalities of managing failing heating systems and the unexpected solutions that emerge, like sanding thermocouplers, to prevent a pipe-freezing disaster.
Isn’t it amusing how a simple tutu order mix-up can lead to colorful fashion discussions? Weather woes and wardrobe wonders dominate our conversation, as we explore the chaos of snow in sun-soaked regions like Florida and Biloxi. Personal stories about adapting to diverse climates surface, sparking musings on the allure of remote work during frosty days. The cozy comfort of home battles against the need for a change of scenery, while lively tales of unexpected weather twists keep the discussion light-hearted and engaging.
Our exploration of faith and morality adds a thoughtful layer as we unpack biblical scriptures with a fresh lens. Together with Pastor Holly, we challenge the conventional interpretations and delve into the historical context of controversial passages. Through pop culture references and historical musings, we question the existence of biblical artifacts and ponder the implications on faith and history. The episode rounds off with reflections on morality, exploring how belief shapes our ethical compass, followed by a heartfelt closing prayer, wishing for our conversation to inspire and resonate with you, our listeners.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nobody's going to come in.
(00:00):
I mean, I guess somebody couldwander in.
You say that now, yeah, I guesssomebody could wander in, but
yeah, Well, if we see anybodypull up, I can.
So I'll just say it because Idon't have a problem just saying
it.
I was talking to Pastor Hollyearlier today.
It's really frustrating to methat we cancel a Wednesday night
service because it's coldoutside.
Listen to me, it was singledigits on Sunday morning.
(00:23):
All these people showed up forchurch.
It is double digits right nowand we think it's too cold to
come out.
I understand it was negativethis morning.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I get it, but come on look at it now.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Listen, it's going to be this temperature every
morning for the next week andwe're all going to get up and go
to work right, it's winter inOhio and the building is warm.
You go from the car to thebuilding, the building to the
car.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I was not thinking it was real warm in here.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, it's okay.
Roger complained because it washot, so we turned the heat down
, I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, we turned the heat down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It was like I turned on everything because when I got
here today none of the furnaceswere working, so all three of
the furnaces on this side of thebuilding were not running, so I
had to get them all fired backup and got us running and I was
worried that we were going tohave frozen pipes.
This was like 44 degrees inhere when I got here today.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Why were they not running?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So if you want me to guess, I could speculate, which
I'm happy to do.
I would assume that all threeneed new thermocouplers.
Roger and I have had to pullthe thermocouplers on all three
and sand them down so that theywould be able to um light light,
and so after it doesn't lightfor so long, it we get a little
(01:33):
bit of a downdraft and it'll putout the, the pilot light.
So my guess is that's what waswrong.
The one is an electric ignitionand that thermocoupler just
needs to be replaced.
They're not super expensive,but when you don't have the
money, you just sand them.
Yeah, sandpaper's cheap,sandpaper's cheap.
(01:54):
Well, and we already have some.
Yeah, I've got an emergencypiece of sandpaper back there,
so just pull it out, sand itdown, put it back in.
I had a hard time getting theone to light.
It would not light.
It finally did so.
You didn't say that.
My guess is, this one's notworking right now, though, based
on how cold it is on the sideof the building, that one's
probably not working.
Which one's that?
(02:16):
The little one.
The little one single, becausethe sanctuary has two furnaces,
and then the little one actuallydoes this whole side of the
building.
So so it does the cafe, both ofthe bathrooms, the council room
, podcast room and the hallway.
That's why the hallway's supercold and there's only one vent
in the hallway.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
So we're going to have everything in working order
on Saturday.
I make no promises.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Maybe not Wear a coat .
No promises, exactly, and I amnot on standby.
I make no promises, exactly,and I am not on standby.
I'm not on call for that.
I thought you were doing.
I will be here for coffee, butI have to leave after I'm done,
so they go out.
It's the same with the waterrunning If the water starts
running, I'm shutting it off.
I don't know what else to dobecause I can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
If the spirits move in, we're going to be in a tutu?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, wear pants under it, beth.
Geez, that got weird.
This isn't like you know what.
On second thought, I'm notcoming for coffee service.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Listen.
I ordered my tutu to go clearto the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Not coming for coffee service.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Never, I am wearing pants Lord, is it a teal tutu?
No, don't ask what color I amwearing.
Pants Lord, is it a teal tutu?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Don't ask.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What color?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Pink.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Why did you say it like that the eye roll Because
You're going to look like aflamingo.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I paid for my tutu A month ago, yeah, and she sent me
a message that she couldn't getthe black material, so now it's
pink, yeah, and she sent me amessage that she couldn't get
the black material.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, so now it's pink.
Mm-hmm Boy, that's quite a,that's a big jump.
It's a drastic difference.
Black to pink, still the black.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Kind of had choices between green, lots of multiple
different colors of green.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh, yeah, that's what you should want with that?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, lime green, or something Orals oranges.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh yeah, that's what you should want with that Lime
green or something, orals,oranges, yeah, orals.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And oranges, yeah, oranges.
Have you ever seen me in that?
Oh goodness.
Goodness, goodness, I mostlystick to black, navy and brown.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Oh, she's boring she is All right just needs to step
out of that comfort zone.
No adventure yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I'm just glad I didn't plan a getaway to florida
this week, right?
No kidding how mad would you be?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
how mad would you be?
So I have a friend, uh, who wewere good friends with her in
when we lived in newark and shemoved to florida and I we were
always like on facebook taggingeach other hey, game night,
whatever.
Because we did lots of gamenights when we lived down there.
We had a really close group offriends that it was probably at
(04:50):
least three Saturdays a month.
We were at somebody's houseplaying board games and she saw
one of the posts, one of the oldposts, that said, hey, when are
we having another game night?
And she commented and said, ohso much, missed it so much, or
how about this weekend, orsomething like that.
And said, oh so much, miss itso much, or how about this
weekend, or something like that.
And I said, yeah, but we'recoming to your place because
it's cold up here.
Well, now she's got like 12inches of snow, so I guess it
(05:12):
doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is just cold.
My cousin sent me pictures, youknow, from the beach.
Yeah, with the snow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We lived in Biloxi, mississippi, for a while, I
Mississippi for a while, I don'tremember it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, they got a lot of they got hammered.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like Biloxi Beach is white.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I can't imagine.
And a lot of those houses don'thave heat, because why would
they?
They don't need it.
They don't have snow plows orsalt trucks.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
No, everything is totally shut down.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yep, I remember when my grandma lived in Alabama.
They'd get a dusting and peoplewould lose their minds.
They couldn't drive on theroads.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
My girlfriend Brooke moved to Louisiana and they
don't have a furnace.
They have a big fireplace andit has a blower on it if it gets
chilly.
She cracks me up, though,because she said it's freezing
down here.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's 35 degrees, girl , we're walking around in short
sleeve shirts and shortswhenever it's 35 degrees out.
Alyssa and I were outsidecleaning out the garage.
The last time it was 35 degreesout.
That's a heat wave, yeah right.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I don't remember if it was last year or the year
before that they got a littlebit of snow down there and the
hospital she worked at calledher and said you know, we're
putting cots up in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know I'll drive home.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Because if you want to come in now, before you know
the rest of the snow comes,because you know we're not going
to accept call-offs for badweather.
And Brooke's.
Like I'm from Ohio, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I got this.
I can drive in backwards.
Trust me, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I stayed at the hospital one time when the
weather was really really badand they wanted us to stay.
I'm like never again.
I've never called off work forweather.
Never again would I do that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Like this morning I got up and I was slow moving.
I'm like you know what I couldwork remote today.
It's cold, Like I don't reallyneed to go into the office, and
I meandered around the house fora little bit and I'm like, if I
don't go to the office, I'mgoing to go nuts.
I'm out of here.
I bolted.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like I was, like I got to go.
You shut the laptop on secondthought.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Nobody was up, the house was quiet, but I decided
it was time to go.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So when the schools take a snow day, do your kids
get a snow day as well.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, not typically, and the only reason we don't do
that is because they're done bynoon most days.
Anyway, they do one.
I don't want to say one lesson,but they'll do one subject a
day, so no, not usually.
Although my kids were outsidethis morning at like 9am it was
negative 12 degrees out playinglaser tag and eating snow, and
they were out there for an hour,I'm like.
(07:50):
I didn't like to walk to thecar, but you had to go, just go
through the garage.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, that's what I said it was 32 degrees in the
garage.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I didn't like that.
So, yeah, I mean, kids are kidsare, strange man they.
How cold was it your shoppedtoday?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
it was cold and of all days.
They decide that they're goingto turn the electric off on my
side of the building where myoffice is, so they can do
maintenance for a new burn tablethey're going to install.
So about 8 30 I'm in my office,lights go out, computer goes
out, heat goes off and at firstI thought they're playing a
prank on us.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I got you, so I'm like what the heck?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And they're like oh yeah, we forgot.
We're doing maintenance overhere.
I'm like today.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, what are you supposed to do all day?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
It's only going to take an hour or two, I go.
Okay, that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm like all right well, I guess right.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Well, I guess I'm gonna go find some hot cocoa,
and I did we have, um.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Our office is attached to a golf simulator
space, so we have a golfsimulator inside of that space,
um, and we have to walk throughthere to get to our offices and
we usually heat it to about 70degrees.
Dude, the golf simulator is sohot at 70 degrees compared to
our office.
Our offices offices arefreezing.
I don't know how, but they are.
So I've got a little spaceheater in my office that I kick
(09:08):
on.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Listen, today I thought it caught my pant legs.
I was sitting there and I wasworking.
I'm like man it is toasty inhere.
I'm just working away and I'mlike man I was.
It felt good.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I used to prop up my feet like right above it and oh
yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, if my phone rings whenever we get about
another 15 minutes in, it'sbecause there's a golf simulator
appointment and it gets alittle hairy.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Do people rent it out ?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, so it's.
You can rent it by the hour, soyou can do 60 minutes, 90
minutes, 120 minutes, and thenyou can book as many
appointments as you want.
So if you want to do four hours, you can book two two-hour
appointments.
I don't normally handle thegolf simulator.
Somebody else does, but they'reon vacation this week so, hey,
it's all me and you have toremote connect to it to turn
(10:00):
everything on and get it set up.
It's not a big deal.
It's not hard.
It's worse when people mess itup Like somebody shut off the
computer.
So they have access to thecomputer but they don't have the
actual computer.
But they can go to the startmenu and turn it off, which when
people do that it creates chaos, because now I can't remote in
to turn it on for the next guest, so I have to send somebody
(10:22):
physically over there to powerit on.
So it's a real pain in the rump.
But it was off today and forsome reason I didn't get the
last two notifications forappointments, which is a real
pain, because they get there andthen they call myself and
they're like hey, we're here andit's not working Normally.
I have a half hour to you know,because the way the windows
work to figure it out.
So they had to call somebody,have them run over and get it
(10:45):
turned on.
So hopefully they don't turnthis one off.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
We'll see.
Well, before I lose it, haveyou seen the little Bradford
Exchange jumpsuits?
Yes, jumpsuits.
Oh my gosh, I was going toshare it to you and it wouldn't
let me.
I want them so badly.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But they're only six inches and they're $60 a piece.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, they're six inches.
I wasn't sure how tall theywere.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Six inches and they're $60 a piece.
But they have the Alohajumpsuit, they have the 68
comeback suit and they have thepeacock.
Now the problem with thepeacock.
Do you know what the problem is?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, really, nick.
Well, I didn't look at it thatclosely.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's displayed with a cape.
Elvis never wore a cape with apeacock jumpsuit.
So, brad, I know, I know,that's what I said I thought
they were authentic.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No well, apparently not that one's not Apparently
not.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So Tiger Jumpsuit's coming.
She emailed me today.
That's a real thing, it'shappening.
I have enough saved for anotherone, so now the question is
what's it going to be?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Why don't?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
you get one that doesn't fit you, I think I'm
going to buy from a differentmaker this time.
Oh, there's a maker in Thailand.
It's called AJM and JumpsuitMakers.
It's all they do, Dude.
Theirs are legit, but they'relike double the price too.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
How can that be like all they do?
That's all they do.
How many people buy thesejumpsuits?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
There are three companies that this is all that
they do.
Okay, just in Ohio, you haveSteve Yates he.
There are three companies thatthis is all that they do.
Okay, just in Ohio.
You have Steve Yates.
He's down between Columbus andCincinnati, that's all he does
make jumpsuits.
There's a lady in Canada, thelady I buy from.
There's a lady in Illinoisnamed Kathy Kittle.
That's all she does for aliving make jumpsuits.
Ajm and then B&K Enterprises.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's all they do.
Well, I got to ask why don'tyou use the guy a guy?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
in oh in ohio, because steve is incredibly old
and his he's not super accuratewith his replicas, so like his
spacing isn't quite right.
I mean they're decent, but Iwould call those beginner suits.
I'm in an intermediate levelright now where I'm buying.
If I move to the other companywill be like full-fledged, like
(12:41):
these are stupidly priced andnobody should be spending that
kind of money.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Is there an estimate on how many Elvis impersonators
there are?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I wonder if that.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Let's look.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Ask Google.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Roughly 250,000 to 400,000.
I guess you could keep them inbusiness.
I mean, you got to think I'mbuying four a year.
Did they count you?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I don't know, I don't know.
Nobody asked you, did they.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
No, nobody surveyed me, that's for sure, nobody
surveyed me.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Maybe they go to the suit makers, maybe they do.
That's true.
Yeah, how many?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
people do, and then they can cross-reference the
list, yeah, and then they sellour information to the other
companies.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, and then they try and steal each other's
business.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, when I found AJM which I had known about them
for a long time, but againthey're expensive I reached out
to them a couple of days ago andjust said, hey, interested in a
new suit?
What would we need to doBecause they're in Thailand?
I mean, there's a whole processwith sending measurements and
just getting everything started.
Would your suit need a passport?
I don't know.
It does have to pass throughcustoms.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was going to say I've been stuck in customs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, I do know that I had a pair of glasses get stuck
in customs for weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hey, I have a Parasites.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I have something I bought in November that still
hasn't showed up in my house yet.
Where'd you buy it from?
It was a car air freshener froma company called Drift, and
they have the worst customerservice ever.
They will do not.
They won't give me a refundbecause they say it's still in
transit, which it is technically, but it went from New Jersey to
Dover, to Michigan, and then itnever moved from Michigan for
(14:25):
like 45 days.
It was insanity.
And then it said that it wasout for delivery in Dover, but
we forwarded the address so itstill never showed up, but yeah,
huh yeah did you order itthrough Amazon?
no, ordered it through drift,but anyhow, I ended up charging
it back on my credit card andgot my money back, so it didn't
really matter, but it's stillannoying and I won't buy another
one from them.
It's not going to waste my time.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Have you ever had the desire to design your own
jumpsuit?
No, never, or is that like ano-no In the Elvis world?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, I was going to say the reason I haven't is
because if you want to ever do acompetition, they have to be
authentic jumpsuits.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Have you ever done a competition.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Why not you would be surprised.
I mean, this is a theory ofmine, this is a theory of mine
and this happens a lot in ourarea, and I think it happens a
lot with anybody who has anylevel of talent.
Everybody's like oh my gosh,you're so good, you should go on
American Idol.
Oh, you should go on the Voice,you should go on America's Got
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Talent.
Fact of the matter is we'resmall town good, not big town
good.
You know what I mean?
I'm not Vegas material.
I could be but I don't.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
It's not a.
I just learned that with theGettysburg Guide test.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, oh, my God you should do it.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
You know everything.
Yes, I know everything.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And that's the hard part, and I'm very humble about
it.
I'm okay, but I enjoy mynursing home circuit and I enjoy
my little shows.
I don't need to be on a bigstage somewhere in Vegas.
It's just not what I'm shootingfor.
And don't get me wrong.
I want to start doing somesmall competitions, but I'm not
interested in the ultimatecompetition.
(15:57):
They have eight qualifiers ayear and then you go to
Graceland during Elvis week.
I mean it's a huge competition.
Those guys are way better thanme well, and there are some guys
that get there every year, thatmake it to the ultimate
competition every year, yeah,and never win and you gotta
understand, like some of thesepeople, that's all they do
that's what I was thinking
Speaker 5 (16:18):
and higher focus in life is there's an expense
associated with it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
If I were to do a small competition, you figure
there's an expense associatedwith it.
If I were to do a smallcompetition, you figure there's
$150 registration fee just to bein the competition, you have
150 bucks.
You got overnight stay.
Typically there are two nights,sometimes three depending on
how far you make it in thecompetition.
So you've got a three nightstay plus food and then anything
else that you would have tocover while you're there, and if
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you lose it's just gone.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yeah, but it's serious.
Is there an elvis impersonatorpodcast?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
oh, I'm sure there is .
Let's uh look that up.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Google it, because if not, we're starting one.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah first episode tonight no, there's not, it
doesn't look like there's onespecifically for you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Got to jump on it there's your what's this?
There's your next mission yeahwe know this one's just like
about memphis and they talkabout elvis week and things like
that.
We I should do that that wouldbe fun that would be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Just do phone interviews with people on it
before somebody else did yeah Imean, if there's an idea out
there that hasn't been taken.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
No kidding, it's, yeah, pretty amazing, so yeah
yeah, to have a newrevolutionary idea that somebody
isn't already doing is pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
If we have the technology clicking yeah
someone's gonna take your ideaonce.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, all right yeah, alissa is not a third no it
would be a fourth podcast.
Actually it might end up beinga fifth.
I am working with the chamberright now on launching a podcast
for Twin Cities just aboutlocal businesses.
So each business gets to comeon and do a half hour episode
about what they do, the types ofthings that they sell, and kind
(18:00):
of do a quick promotion oftheir business and things like
that Wait so what other ones areyou?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, you like that.
So wait, so the ones are you?
Yeah, you're that.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, so I've got that one, this one, got this one
, the one we have tied together,which is the marriage podcast
which Sid and Chase just joined,so we're doing that with the
four of us.
Then I have rewind, which isour church podcast.
Oh, yeah, and so that would bepodcast number five.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
That one's cheating.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, not really.
I mean, I still have to recordit.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But you're recording it when you're preaching.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, maybe so, but it still has to be maintained,
All right all right, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah Okay.
Yeah, otherwise it would justbe never, be updated.
Actually, that one's over inminutes right now.
I'm like over by two hours onthat.
Oh way to go, I know so, by twohours on that Way to go, I know
, so there's an extra.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Nick, were you preaching in that?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, what?
No?
It's because I recently startedincluding the Wednesday night
services, oh, okay.
And so now that's an extra halfhour, 45 minutes that gets
tacked on there so.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I had to.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Let it go.
Let it go it's not my recordanymore, anyway yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Who took your record, holly?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Holly beat you.
I'm off the hook.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, that's funny.
Well, tonight's topic.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh, we're going to go to there, we are going to go
there.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We are actually going to talk about something.
So, sid, this was yours, and itsays the Bible was written for
us, not to us.
This is more of a statementthan a question, but it creates
some questions because a lot oftimes, this is a I can't reach
this is my copy now there's a.
(19:38):
Some people get church hurtbecause they don't want a pastor
who preaches at them but thatpreaches to them.
It's a fair statement, right,some pastors preach at you.
They try to tell you all of thethings that you are doing wrong
and how you should change them,versus a pastor who is
preaching the word, the gospel,and trying to change lives.
Right, there's a differencethere, so the Bible is
(20:00):
essentially that same thought.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The book of Colossians was not written to us
, it was written for us so thatwe could read that and have that
information, but they weren'ttalking to us specifically.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To us in the 21st century, correct?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I would be frightened if Paul had to write a letter
to the church today Like can youimagine what that church, what
that letter would say?
And it would be a long one.
It would be a really long oneyeah.
He'd still be writing yeah,yeah, yeah he might not ever get
to get it finished.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know so he's like I'm cramping up over here.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So I had some thoughts, but I'll let you guys
start first well said, what wasyour what?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
how'd you come up with that?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
well, it was in the podcast.
I listened to, that.
I shared um, that Wesley Huffhad mentioned it and basically
he was saying um, you know andit's, it's nothing against the
people at the time, but theywere illiterate a lot, you know,
like they didn't realize howbig this world was.
Um, and that's not, that wasn'tWesley's biggest point, but
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even like, uh, certain you know,like the ocean, like the ocean
is brought up a lot of timesbecause they, because it's
something powerful you know,right, that's what.
That's how they comprehended it.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like so I guess that's kind ofhow I was picturing it, because
a lot of people, you know, lookat it and they're like well,
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also, there's a lot to it,there's a lot of symbolism, and
people aren't like symbolicanymore, like they want.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Black and white.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, so that's kind of where I was starting out with
it, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
People aren't symbolic, I think is a great
place to start, but they're alsoargumentative, which is an even
better place to start because,let's be honest, we love to
argue Scripture because we wantto be right rather than letting
somebody else be right.
We've talked about this in thepast, but there's a local pastor
of a larger church who thinksthat Jesus has already come and
that's the gospel that theypreach, that the second coming
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has already happened and that Idon't know if we're left here
to—I don't know what the conceptis, but that heaven is here,
heaven is now and we should berejoicing in it and we should
be—anyhow, it's a long, verycomplicated—and when he speaks I
listen like I'm a moron, like Ifeel like I'm an idiot, just
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listening.
I don't get any of it.
It's not the gospel that's everbeen preached to me.
Now he has a thriving churchwho really buys into this idea,
and maybe he's right.
I don't know, maybe we've gotit wrong.
I'm not sure.
I can't tell you that.
But what I'll tell you is thatif 98% of the churches are on
our side, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm pretty confident and I know the word is alive,
just yeah, much today, as it wasat that time.
But I think when someoneactually sat down and you know,
when john sat down was like I'mgonna write this, you know, down
.
He wanted to write it down thatway it wouldn't be forgotten.
He was writing it down in histerms, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And we go into revelation obviously wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I shouldn't say he wasn't thinking of us, he wasn't
.
You know he was, he was in histime and it's nothing on him or
anything jesus was thinkingabout us right right but peter
paul, john, that none of themwere.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They they couldn't even comprehend when jesus was
telling them that he would dieand then raise again in three
days.
They couldn't comprehend that,let alone the idea that their
words would live forever andthat the modern church, today's
church, would be reading thoseas something that maybe they
aren't, or something that wereharder to interpret.
Because, well, let's be honest,what they wrote was not clear.
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It was not easy to interpret.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
All right, I need to go A lot of that.
You have to understand Jewishcustoms.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Translations at that time and Well, I joined somebody
number.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You guys can keep talking.
I have to find this.
I know what I want, but I gotto find it.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
So what does everyone else think, since I kind of
elaborated a little bit, roger,Well, I think scripture is meant
to be that way, that it's meantto be Open for interpretation.
Well, I think scripture ismeant to be that way that it's
meant to be open.
It's even almost like it's kindof the same concept of our
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constitution and our government.
It's a living constitution.
It wasn't set in stone like.
These are the rules, and if itwasn't mentioned here, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Then it doesn't have any weight.
A lot of things the way that itwas written.
It was written so that, yeah,people for all time can benefit
from it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So I think scripture is a lot like that.
It's you know?
Yeah, it's not.
It wasn't written for us, itwas written, yeah uh for us.
Yeah.
Uh it was written.
Yeah, I, I, I.
You can't say that.
No, they didn't write it withus in mind, but I think they
wrote it with mankind, you knowgenerally speaking generally
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speaking like, yeah, this isgood, this, what we're writing,
is going to be for all time andfor all people even if how far
that was going to go?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, right, I definitely think that was the
intent.
Yeah, I think it's important tounderstand that the words, most
of the words that we read, werewritten under the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit.
So God telling them to writethese things down so that they
may be put into a book.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Specifically at the beginning of Revelation it says
this is the revelation fromJesus Christ which God gave him
concerning the events that willhappen soon.
An angel was sent to God'sservant, john, so that John
could share the revelation withGod's other servants.
John faithfully reported theword of God and the testimony of
Jesus Christ and everythingthat he saw.
And then it goes on to the bookof Revelation.
So John had these visions ofall of the things that are
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happening in Revelation and he'swriting them down right and
he's trying to describe thesethings in as much detail as
humanly possible.
That is how all of the booksare basically written.
But now you also have to takeinto consideration that you know
there are times when Paul is inprison and there's a difference
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in mindset when you're inbondage versus when you're when
you have freedom and while hesays you know, I am a slave to
jesus christ and he's alwaysarguing that like they can lock
me up, but I'm never going tostop serving.
That may be true, but you'regoing to have a bad day, every
whip stitch and you're probablygonna miss some details or
whatever.
So we have to keep that in mind, that this isn't like
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day-by-day journal entries.
These are stories that are puttogether in order to try to get
us from point A to point B.
There are gaps that we are notgoing to have all of the answers
for.
You find those answers throughprayer and supplication.
You find those answers throughfasting and prayer.
You did.
There's not, you're never goingto have all of the answers.
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I have more scripture.
Can I go again?
Okay, all right.
First Corinthians, chapter 14,verse 34.
Anybody know what?
That is?
No Great.
This is my favorite.
I stand by this one too.
Just so we're all clear.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Women should be silent during church meetings.
No, I'm just kidding, it iswhat it says, but I'm just
kidding.
It is not proper for them tospeak.
They should be submissive, justas the law says.
If they have any questions toask, let them ask their husbands
at home.
For it is Now that's a strongstatement, right?
Like basically sit down andshut up, don't talk.
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We don't want to hear you.
Okay, now, this is concerningexercising the gifts in public
worship, so prophecy and prayerand things like that.
So that is chapter 14, verse 34.
But if we go back to verse 11,it says a man is responsible to
Christ, a woman is responsibleto her husband and Christ is
responsible to God.
A man dishonors Christ if hecovers his head while praying or
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prophesying, but a womandishonors her husband if she
prays or prophesies withoutcovering her head.
Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa, whoa.
If she's not allowed to talk,why are we telling her that she
can pray and prophesy?
Yeah, but that's in private.
No, this is talking about inpublic, public prayer.
Oh, okay, public prayer.
I didn't hear that.
Yes, public prayer.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You know what that sounds like what?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sounds like maybe a Mennonite.
Yes, yeah, so I think the point, and that's where the Mennonite
, that's why the ladies alwayswear a head covering.
I think the point that I makebehind that is a lot of times
people want to use chapter 14,verse 34.
They forget about that as a wayof saying women shouldn't
preach.
They're picking and choosing,but if I go back, I would say my
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argument would be that he'stelling us that they can so long
as their head is covered.
Now, again, we talk aboutwhether or not the law is like
that's a real thing or not.
But anyhow, my point is, whenyou read that in context and you
actually read the whole book,you learn that the women of the
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church in Corinthians they werereally on fire and they wanted
as much information as theycould get, and at the time those
women had to sit behind acurtain in the church.
So the men sat in the frontbecause they were being taught.
The women were allowed to listen, but they were to just listen
behind the curtain and whatwould happen is those women
would press against the curtainand they would say what does he
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mean?
What's he talking about?
We don't understand.
And they're asking thesequestions and whoever's
preaching can't get the word outbecause they're being
interrupted constantly.
So Paul is saying, hey, youguys are great, the sun really
does rise and set on the churchof Corinthians.
However, you got to sit downand shut up, right?
We can't get the word out ifyou're not listening.
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When you have a question, jotit down and then, when you get
home, text it to your husbandsomething.
You know what I mean.
When you get home, you guys canhash it out.
The problem was was the women,in my opinion, were far more
desiring of the word than themen were, because the men had
been allowed to have the wordtheir entire lives.
The women are just now gettingto the point where they're like
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starting to really dive in andunderstand.
So I don't know what my pointwas.
It's all right, but my pointwas that, oh, my point was it
was written for them in thattime.
Yes, it was written in thatsituation, for that situation.
It was not written necessarilyto tell us good, bad or
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indifferent on whether or notwomen can.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And I'm sure it was written in an emotion, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Oh, certainly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's probably like getting shoved every which
direction trying to like.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Maybe he's irritated at that time because these girls
are, I'm sure he is he's likeI'm just going to sit there
right now and I can't rememberwho was preaching at the time.
Was it Timothy that was thereat the time, does anybody
remember?
But basically he had gotten aletter from Tim.
I think it was Timothy.
He had gotten a letter fromTimothy that said hey, listen, I
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can't get anything done.
Every time I try.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
These women are.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It's not just the women, but they're all really
nagging me and they're justgetting on my nerves.
Can you help me out?
And so he writes this letter,basically rebuking the behavior
but not the people.
And so that's the.
There's a.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Silver line.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
We can understand that, we can read it in context,
but we can't take it and use itagainst people today.
But we can't take it and use itagainst people today.
There's a difference in it waswritten to them, it was written
for us.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yes, that makes sense , yes.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Hey, that's a topic, isn't it?
Good, see what I did thereCircle back A whole conversation
on topic.
We did it.
I even forgot what I was sayingfor a second, but I was able to
loop it.
It only took three seasons.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We started out slow, but I think once we got to it we
stuck with it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
What other thoughts do we have?
Any other scriptures?
There's a lot of scriptureslike that, but do any of us
struggle with the fact thatJudas is in hell?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I do yeah, okay, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And the reason I struggle with that and I have to
like, I have to put it becausethe Bible tells us very directly
he's in hell, like it's,there's no sugarcoating it.
It says that he is.
I struggle so badly becauseevery time I think about that
I'm like, had it not been forwhat he did, jesus wouldn't have
died Mm-hmm, he wouldn't havebeen resurrected and we wouldn't
have everlasting life.
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So I feel like like throw theman a bone.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Right Like, can we?
Can we give him a pardon, apresidential pardon, a full and
unconditional presidentialpardon?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Let's think about it If he walks away and says I
can't do this.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Right, it's done, it's, it's literally over yes,
correct.
So yeah, I struggle with it andI've just always, it's always
been one of those like you.
You want to think that you know, because jesus goes to hell and
he comes out with the keys,right.
I want to think that, likejudas is like, uh, fabio riding
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on jesus's shoulders, his hair'sblowing in the wind and you
know what I mean, like I like,that's what I want Hides him
underneath his robe.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yes, right, he sneaks them out.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
But you know it's really hard to swallow that we
wouldn't be where we are if itweren't for that, but yet he is
suffering in hell.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And had no choice in it no Well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, he did, but he had to fulfill Right, he was
fulfilling prophecy, and so Godhad ordained those steps and we
knew that it was going to happen.
But again, we also know that weall have free will, right, Like
when God speaks to us and wedecide to go the other route.
I mean Jesus in the garden, hewas Lord.
Should it be your will, allowthis cup to pass for me.
Even Jesus is saying likelisten, I really don't want to
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do this, I'll do it if it's whatyou want.
And I mean Judas would havebeen in that same position where
I'll do what I have to do, butI don't really want to do this.
And at any point he could havechanged, and he did change his
mind.
He was like he has the silverand he's like no, take it back.
And they're like too late, toolate, ruth.
(34:27):
Anybody remember that movie?
Stephen King, no Tommyknockers.
It was a terrible movie.
Don't watch it.
It's a Stephen King, noTommyknockers.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
It's a terrible movie .
Don't watch it.
That's a lot like the Shining.
It's a Stephen King movie.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's these little dolls.
They come to life and they'relike Too late, Ruth, Too late.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You sounded like the monster on.
Monsters Inc.
I'm watching Wazowski, alwayswatching.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Wazowski, you forgot to turn in your paperwork.
That's one of my favorites.
I used to know a lady whosmoked heavily and I would call
her on.
This is OK, all right.
Umbrella of grace, umbrella ofgrace, umbrella of grace.
This isn't funny, it is funny.
So she used to.
I was when I worked in amattress store.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
This was before you got before I knew Jesus.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, that's not entirely true.
It was.
I was not on the straight andnarrow, let's put it that way.
I knew Jesus, but wasdefinitely not fellowshipping
with him at this point.
And she was our account rep ata mattress company and you would
call her and she'd be like thisis Gwen and she was the
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sweetest lady you'd ever meet.
But you would like just.
And one time I said to her, Isaid Gwen, you know, your voice
is just so sexy.
She is like blown away she's.
I was dying, but her voice wasjust so raspy.
Anyhow, that was, I digress,but yeah, poor lady, poor lady.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I thought you were going to ask her.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
can you just say that would have been great oh boy.
Anyhow, here we go.
Loop is back, lady.
Yeah, somebody pull us back.
Somebody pull us back, please.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Ay, ay, ay, ay ay.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Well, so much for that.
Okay, there's got to be anotherthought about this, right.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I'm working on it.
Okay, let me ask anotherquestion then.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I have a feeling, based on the graphics that I had
to design for this Saturday'swomen's conference, that they're
going to talk about Lot and hiswife and Sodom and Gomorrah.
My question is there is in thatregion a statue it's not really
a statue, it is a rockformation that they call Lot's
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Wife because it looks like atall pillar and it's kind of
standing almost by itself, andthey refer to that as Lot's Wife
, almost as if that is Lot'sWife having been turned into
salt and being there for all ofthese years.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, if it rained she'd be dissolved, because salt
dissolves in water.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I'm just saying I don't know that they're really
saying I don't know thatanybody's really saying that.
My question is do we think thatthose things exist?
Are we ever going to find theark of the covenant?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I don't know that was another thing I don't believe
so but they brought up, you know, like a lot of people in that
time in the ancient world, likethey believed in, like witches
and the supernatural and thingslike that.
So you could maybe put thatinto effect whenever they were
writing these things.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
she's a witch.
Bring out your dad, okay, whatmovie is that from monty python?
The quest for the holy grail?
Okay, I'm not a witch.
Look at her nose.
You put it on me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I'm not a puppet, I'm a real boy.
I'm not a puppet, I'm a realboy, not the gumdrop buttons we
were going so good.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I know it, just it happens, so she mentioned it.
Yes, right, had to say it, wewere on top good, I know it,
just it happens, so shementioned it.
Yes, right, had to say that wewere on top.
Sorry my brain.
Hey, I got a text from Tanya.
Was it today, maybe yesterday,I can't remember what day it was
.
but she sent me a text and she'slike, hey, I was listening to
the podcast and I know that ladyat the restaurant, that's
really mean and I was like Iknow, so it was a whole thing
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about that to the podcast and Iknow that lady at the restaurant
, that's really mean and I waslike I know right, so there was
a whole thing about that.
So eventually that's gettingback to that lady.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So just so we're all clear on that one.
So we've got a good name outfor us.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, maybe, and maybe she'll find some Jesus.
I don't know.
You know the sade her thatshe's mean, but anyhow Well some
people it just comes natural.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
So how about— you have plenty of people who, okay,
they don't believe in the Biblebecause we can't find the Ark
Right, not the Ark of theCovenant.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The Ark, noah's Ark?
Yeah, noah's Ark.
We can't find it.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Yes, so therefore the whole Bible is alive.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Has to be alive.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
This ark does not exist.
But my argument plenty ofthings in history that we still
can't find, and and there'splenty of documentation to back
up the history, but for whateverreason, we can't find where the
guy's buried we can't find.
You know their treasure wecan't find doesn't mean it
didn't exist, doesn't mean it'snot history, it's just yeah,
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there's.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
There are holes in history because we weren't
around, we don't know.
And the people who were aroundguess what?
They all dead.
It's just like when we talkabout noah and the great flood.
You know, we're finding fossilsof fish in mountains yeah how
else did they get there?
they didn't swim up the mountaina bird I don't have legs, then
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yeah, yeah I don't know, I'm notsure if you know how this works
, but they did not swim up thatmountainside.
So, and I you know, I thinkthat there may come a time when
something is revealed, whenwe're able to find something.
But you know, they've foundwhat they thought were parts of
the ark in the past and theycarbon date the wood and it
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doesn't carbon date old enoughor it carbon dates older.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
My thing is is we don't really have a full
understanding of the time frameeither yeah, we keep time
differently than we ever havethere's really, and they've kept
time differently in so many Iknow different, even in regions,
even in regions.
And I think during that timethey were keeping time by their
knuckles or something.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't know.
Yeah, it wasn't their AppleWatch, they didn't have their
Casio, casio Atomic Watch.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
I just see John Candy in planes, trains and
automobiles.
When he's trying to get to thehotel room, steve Martin has a
Rolex watch and he shows it tothe guy.
So yeah, he gives him a roomand John Candy's like.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I've got the.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Casio.
Did it have the calculator init?
I don't know.
Those were my favorites.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
And the guy's like, sorry, I'm going to have to say
goodnight.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I want to get me one of those with the calculator
built in.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
What was I going to say?
Oh, I lost it again.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
How old are you, Nick ?
Speaker 5 (41:21):
There it was 45.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Roger 45.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
There it was and there it went.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Wesley Huff was even saying there was speculation of
like the whole three days, youknow, with the dying, and like
three days later, like there'sspeculation, it could have
actually been sooner based onhow they took time Correct Based
on the ways that we think thatthey we we count time in 24 hour
periods.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Therefore, everything is 24 hour periods, even when
it, even when that's not howthey were keeping time.
It's the same with the sevendays of creation.
We don't know what thatactually looked like.
It could have been seven years,right, and again, we've talked
about this in the past.
But it says that a minute islike a thousand years and a
thousand years is like a minuteunto the Lord.
And when people say, you know,jesus is coming soon again,
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sooner than yesterday, but wedon't know what that means.
No man shall know the hour, butwe know that we are closer than
we were yesterday.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
But and we also know he was born, he lived, he died
and rose again Like that we know.
That is the hundred percent thetruth.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
And going back to the book and the life of Jesus in
the crucifixion.
Throughout history, thousandsand thousands of years, there
has been trends.
There have you know?
There have been trends.
There, have you know there havebeen civilizations that have
come and gone.
So why is it that this bookthat was written by all these
different people within thiscertain amount of time, about
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Jesus, you know he could havelived and died, and it could
have been a big thing for awhile and then just kind of died
out yeah, it could have been atrend.
Everybody got excited about itlike tiktok we could only hope
and it could have just beensomething that we kind of that.
We kind of almost look like kingarthur and the knights of the
(43:07):
round table you know we could,we could be looking at it like
that, but it's the one thing inthe history that humankind is
consistently passionate about,right like we have clung to this
story, we have clung to thishistory, we have clung to this
man, and it's the one thing thatdoesn't go away.
So I think that in itself isfor anybody who doubts it, or
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for anybody has questions, or or, like you're saying, whether
you know they wrote it for us orto us.
I guess it doesn't reallymatter.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
No.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
The fact is that this book, this one book of recorded
history, has made such animpact, yep, through thousands.
You know, generation aftergeneration, and there's nothing
else like that.
There really isn't nothing elselike that there really is.
I mean, like I said, there'splenty of.
You know, I'm sure, when mobydick came out, um, now, maybe
that's a bad example, because Idon't even think, at first it
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was very popular, but uh, well,no, because it was a huge,
terrible book when charlesdickens wrote the christmas
carol was a huge hit, you know,and and there's a lot of books
that were, uh, you know, reallyimportant for their time, even
like things like Frankensteinand Tom Sawyer and all those
books.
But yeah, it's stillinteresting to some people now.
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But, for most people it's likewho's going?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
to read it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Who's really going to take the time to read Moby Dick
?
A few of us will that are kindof interested in that kind of
thing, but it's not like thebible.
It's the one book, it's the onething that has, uh, made
millions of people commit tothis idea.
Yeah, and like you said, therewere different populations, and
it's not because, and it's notbecause when you read it, it's
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interesting no, lord have mercyso so explain that, yeah, it's
not like, it's not a page turner, it's not a thriller.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Right, you're not reading this going.
I have to get to the next page.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
So explain that.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So why?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
does this book have such a hold on people,
generation after generation?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I have two statements .
First, you said you weretalking about King Arthur and
the Knights of the Round Table.
Join me on my quest for Camelot.
So that was my first point.
My second point was that wasgood that was pretty sharp.
It's another Monty Pythonreference.
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Jesus is listed as a prophet inthe Quran.
Jesus is the only prophet thatcommonly pops up in all of the
other religions.
So we know for a fact thatJesus was real.
So there is no doubt that Jesuswas a real person who lived on
earth and walked, and so peopleare like well, there's no proof
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that that's true.
I can't imagine every religionwould at least mention him and
it not be true.
So then, the difference is wehave to then be able to accept
the fact that he was not just aprophet, as those religions will
have you believe, that he wasking of kings and lord of lords.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
He wasn't this guy that just came in and stirred
things up for a while.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Because he could have , he could have just been a
legend, you know, because Ithink there's even plenty of
people who, yeah, they actuallylive, but they're more or less
legends yeah, you know we don'tthink of them anymore than yeah,
like paul bunyan sam bass.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I don't even know who sam bass is.
I think sam bass was a caveman.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
I'm not sure for our history, even, like you know,
daniel Boone and Davy Crockettthey're legends.
Now they're not even realpeople to us, but they were real
people.
But they've kind of turned intoa legend and Jesus could have
been the same way.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
You said that, as if Paul Bunyan wasn't a real person
.
He was a real person, wasn't he?
Speaker 5 (46:53):
I don't think so.
I think he was.
And what about babe?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't think babe was a real blue ox but, she was
just an ox oh, that's not fairyou know why she was blue?
Nope, he was not a real person.
So I've lived a lie.
My entire life has been a liebecause it it was cold.
Wow, I had no idea.
I thought, for sure he was real.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Like I didn't think that he was some giant that
drove.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Johnny Appleseed might have been.
He was real.
He was real, yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
But he's a legend now , yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
But even go back through history and think about
some of the presidents, lincolnwould be more of a legend than
he.
George Washington is electedmore or less when you think
about those people, like youthink about George Washington
and people talk about his woodenteeth and like all of the
things that maybe aren't fullyaccurate, but it's the story
that we know and it's the storythat we tell Shopping down the
cherry tree?
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
All of those things were just yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
So yeah, so why?
You know that's always thequestion is there had to be
something to it.
It couldn't have just beencoincidence, it couldn't have
just been you know, it has to be.
There has to be something to itthat has changed the world.
And, as I've said many times,you know this world was a pretty
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cruel place before he camealong.
And I don't think a lot ofpeople realize that cruel place
before he came along and I don'tthink a lot of people realize
that.
I think they kind of think likekindness and all the ideas that
he brought forth were there.
No, they really weren't.
You know, the world was apretty dark and cruel place
where pretty unforgiving and youknow, even the wrath of God was
pretty.
You know it was a rough placeto be, you know.
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So, yeah, without him it's likewe don't have the ideas of
forgiveness and love and thosefruits that you've discussed.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
They would be again legend status where, okay, those
are things that we might talkabout, but they're not things
that we feel obligated to,morally obligated to.
Obligated to because, all right, if ground zero for morality is
Jesus, everything good comesfrom God, everything bad comes
from Satan or from hell orwhatever.
So if that is like the, if youdon't believe that Jesus Christ
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is who he says he is, where'syour moral compass?
Start Like what's the barometerfor that?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Like where do you go?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
What's good, what's bad.
So, for people who don'tbelieve in God, if shooting
somebody is bad, how do youdetermine that?
Because what is morality?
The Bible is what teaches usthat, right, like that's the
general basis and we can say, oh, society, it's not acceptable.
Well, the problem is, in somesocieties it is acceptable.
So how do you know?
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We know because, well, theproblem is in some societies it
is acceptable, right.
So how do you know?
Yeah, we know, because theBible says it's not acceptable,
right.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of people could argue that that,
you know we don't.
Our conscience is justsomething that we learn,
basically from our parents andfrom society.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
The conscience is built on, on what we experience.
So if yeah, so if you do seesomebody get shot or you think
about, well yeah, it causes pain, so obviously it has to be bad.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
But but what is pain?
Speaker 5 (50:05):
because what is pain?
Because?
Speaker 1 (50:06):
okay, so let's put it this way pain is gain, pain is
gain so let's put it this way uh, let's say that you use your
charge card and you buysomething, and you get it and
you love it and it's wonderfuland you keep it, but you decide
that I really can't afford tomake the minimum payment on this
, so I'm going to charge it backwith my credit card company.
I know my credit card companyis going to give me full credit
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for it, right, because typicallythey err on the side of the
buyer and then the merchant justloses that money.
Well, it's Amazon who cares,right?
They have billions of dollars,does it matter?
Is it still morally correct?
No, no, but you don't feel painfrom it.
Jeff Bezos doesn't feel painfrom that.
Nobody's really feeling pain,but it is still not morally
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right.
That's the stuff that likewithout Jesus.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
And it's going to continue.
You're going to continue tomake those bad decisions.
Eventually it is going toaffect your life in a the next
thing.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
You know it's super easy.
You go to work and you take outthe petty cash box.
You're like, oh, you know what,Somebody balanced this wrong.
There's an extra 20.
That's going in my pocket.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
That's the last 20 things I've done, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Right, and eventually you get caught and then you're
like well, how did this happen?
Because your moral compass isreally broken, yeah, and we
don't know how to.
We don't know how to bring itback to zero, because we, if you
don't believe in Jesus, youdon't have, you don't understand
what zero is.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
You don't understand what neutral is.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
That was fun, well, you know, human sin causes us a
lot of times to live our livesthrough power and control and
everything that we have to gainfrom this world.
So without Jesus a lot of timesthat I think that's how people
are going to follow through inlife.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
They're going to try to get everything through
holding something over somebodyelse.
You know, keeping power, which?
is yeah, that's, that's the waya lot of civilizations were ran,
you know, before Jesus camealong, before he started
changing people's minds aboutyou know how to live.
It's just like.
I mean, I know the Egyptiansdid it and and I'm and that's.
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I guess that's one thing likeI'm still trying to understand,
like, okay, like I've learnedsome things about Egyptian
society, but I'm trying tofigure out, like, okay, like I'm
sure they love their sons anddaughters, but I don't know if
it's like the way we think aboutit, because I think they were
always thinking like, okay, son,you're going to take over the
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kingdom, so everything you dohas to be rooted in that idea
that someday you're going tohave to rule with the same kind
of power and authority that I do.
I don't know if they're, Iguess I don't know what their
moral compass was.
So I'm still trying to learnmore about that.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
But I don't think it's.
I don't know if they had one,you know.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that maybe theydidn't love their children but I
don't know if it's the way thatwe think about it, because I
think it did have more to dowith power and control.
And if you weren't one of those, you know, if you weren't in
that high authority or, in theircase, if you weren't a priest
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or a magician or somebody whowas in that you know ring of
authority, yeah, you're apeasant.
You were not right.
You were absolutely nothing.
You know they didn't show thosepeople any kindness or mercy,
or you know grace.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, to point to that when I preached about um,
moses and aaron going to pharaohand asking that, uh, for the
people to be released, and someof the things that he would have
them do is he would say, okay,have Aaron throw down his staff,
his staff will turn into asnake.
When he picks the staff or thesnake up, it will turn back into
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a staff.
And what did Pharaoh do?
He said that's nothing, I cando that.
And he would go out and hewould bring these people in and
they would do that exact samething.
And we don't fully understandthat all of that was very
intentional.
All of that was veryintentional and that, when you
say like so to him, moses andAaron were nobodies because
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you're doing parlor magic.
Like everybody can do this Like.
You're not the only one thatcan do it.
This isn't God speaking.
This is just you learning howto do a trick to try to convince
me to do something.
But in the end, there wasobviously the parting of the Red
Sea that his people could notdo, hence the whoosh Bye-bye.
They were flushed away.
(54:47):
Alright, any parting wisdomLast minute?
Speaker 5 (54:49):
thoughts.
Sid, it's your turn to pray.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
They were flushed away.
Alright, any parting wisdom?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
last minute thoughts, sid, it's your turn to pray
alright dear heavenly father, Ithank you for this time that we
had tonight.
I thank you that you put thistopic on my mind.
Lord, it was for someone maybenot now, maybe, maybe, maybe, so
maybe in the future.
Um, I pray that.
(55:18):
Uh, you know, it just toucheswhoever and um, I pray someone
got something out of it and Ipray for travel.
Mercies in your name, amen.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Amen.
Nobody's going to come in.
(00:00):
I mean, I guess somebody couldwander in.
You say that now, yeah, I guesssomebody could wander in, but
yeah, Well, if we see anybodypull up, I can.
So I'll just say it because Idon't have a problem just saying
it.
I was talking to Pastor Hollyearlier today.
It's really frustrating to methat we cancel a Wednesday night
service because it's coldoutside.
Listen to me, it was singledigits on Sunday morning.
(00:23):
All these people showed up forchurch.
It is double digits right nowand we think it's too cold to
come out.
I understand it was negativethis morning.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I get it, but come on look at it now.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Listen, it's going to be this temperature every
morning for the next week andwe're all going to get up and go
to work right, it's winter inOhio and the building is warm.
You go from the car to thebuilding, the building to the
car.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I was not thinking it was real warm in here.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, it's okay.
Roger complained because it washot, so we turned the heat down
, I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, we turned the heat down.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It was like I turned on everything because when I got
here today none of the furnaceswere working, so all three of
the furnaces on this side of thebuilding were not running, so I
had to get them all fired backup and got us running and I was
worried that we were going tohave frozen pipes.
This was like 44 degrees inhere when I got here today.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Why were they not running?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So if you want me to guess, I could speculate, which
I'm happy to do.
I would assume that all threeneed new thermocouplers.
Roger and I have had to pullthe thermocouplers on all three
and sand them down so that theywould be able to um light light,
and so after it doesn't lightfor so long, it we get a little
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bit of a downdraft and it'll putout the, the pilot light.
So my guess is that's what waswrong.
The one is an electric ignitionand that thermocoupler just
needs to be replaced.
They're not super expensive,but when you don't have the
money, you just sand them.
Yeah, sandpaper's cheap,sandpaper's cheap.
(01:54):
Well, and we already have some.
Yeah, I've got an emergencypiece of sandpaper back there,
so just pull it out, sand itdown, put it back in.
I had a hard time getting theone to light.
It would not light.
It finally did so.
You didn't say that.
My guess is, this one's notworking right now, though, based
on how cold it is on the sideof the building, that one's
probably not working.
Which one's that?
(02:16):
The little one.
The little one single, becausethe sanctuary has two furnaces,
and then the little one actuallydoes this whole side of the
building.
So so it does the cafe, both ofthe bathrooms, the council room
, podcast room and the hallway.
That's why the hallway's supercold and there's only one vent
in the hallway.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
So we're going to have everything in working order
on Saturday.
I make no promises.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Maybe not Wear a coat .
No promises, exactly, and I amnot on standby.
I make no promises, exactly,and I am not on standby.
I'm not on call for that.
I thought you were doing.
I will be here for coffee, butI have to leave after I'm done,
so they go out.
It's the same with the waterrunning If the water starts
running, I'm shutting it off.
I don't know what else to dobecause I can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
If the spirits move in, we're going to be in a tutu?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, wear pants under it, beth.
Geez, that got weird.
This isn't like you know what.
On second thought, I'm notcoming for coffee service.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Listen.
I ordered my tutu to go clearto the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Not coming for coffee service.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Never, I am wearing pants Lord, is it a teal tutu?
No, don't ask what color I amwearing.
Pants Lord, is it a teal tutu?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Don't ask.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What color?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Pink.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Why did you say it like that the eye roll Because
You're going to look like aflamingo.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I paid for my tutu A month ago, yeah, and she sent me
a message that she couldn't getthe black material, so now it's
pink, yeah, and she sent me amessage that she couldn't get
the black material.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, so now it's pink.
Mm-hmm Boy, that's quite a,that's a big jump.
It's a drastic difference.
Black to pink, still the black.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Kind of had choices between green, lots of multiple
different colors of green.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh, yeah, that's what you should want with that?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, lime green, or something Orals oranges.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh yeah, that's what you should want with that Lime
green or something, orals,oranges, yeah, orals.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And oranges, yeah, oranges.
Have you ever seen me in that?
Oh goodness.
Goodness, goodness, I mostlystick to black, navy and brown.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Oh, she's boring she is All right just needs to step
out of that comfort zone.
No adventure yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I'm just glad I didn't plan a getaway to florida
this week, right?
No kidding how mad would you be?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
how mad would you be?
So I have a friend, uh, who wewere good friends with her in
when we lived in newark and shemoved to florida and I we were
always like on facebook taggingeach other hey, game night,
whatever.
Because we did lots of gamenights when we lived down there.
We had a really close group offriends that it was probably at
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least three Saturdays a month.
We were at somebody's houseplaying board games and she saw
one of the posts, one of the oldposts, that said, hey, when are
we having another game night?
And she commented and said, ohso much, missed it so much, or
how about this weekend, orsomething like that.
And said, oh so much, miss itso much, or how about this
weekend, or something like that.
And I said, yeah, but we'recoming to your place because
it's cold up here.
Well, now she's got like 12inches of snow, so I guess it
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doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is just cold.
My cousin sent me pictures, youknow, from the beach.
Yeah, with the snow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We lived in Biloxi, mississippi, for a while, I
Mississippi for a while, I don'tremember it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, they got a lot of they got hammered.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like Biloxi Beach is white.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I can't imagine.
And a lot of those houses don'thave heat, because why would
they?
They don't need it.
They don't have snow plows orsalt trucks.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
No, everything is totally shut down.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yep, I remember when my grandma lived in Alabama.
They'd get a dusting and peoplewould lose their minds.
They couldn't drive on theroads.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
My girlfriend Brooke moved to Louisiana and they
don't have a furnace.
They have a big fireplace andit has a blower on it if it gets
chilly.
She cracks me up, though,because she said it's freezing
down here.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's 35 degrees, girl , we're walking around in short
sleeve shirts and shortswhenever it's 35 degrees out.
Alyssa and I were outsidecleaning out the garage.
The last time it was 35 degreesout.
That's a heat wave, yeah right.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I don't remember if it was last year or the year
before that they got a littlebit of snow down there and the
hospital she worked at calledher and said you know, we're
putting cots up in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know I'll drive home.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Because if you want to come in now, before you know
the rest of the snow comes,because you know we're not going
to accept call-offs for badweather.
And Brooke's.
Like I'm from Ohio, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I got this.
I can drive in backwards.
Trust me, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I stayed at the hospital one time when the
weather was really really badand they wanted us to stay.
I'm like never again.
I've never called off work forweather.
Never again would I do that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Like this morning I got up and I was slow moving.
I'm like you know what I couldwork remote today.
It's cold, Like I don't reallyneed to go into the office, and
I meandered around the house fora little bit and I'm like, if I
don't go to the office, I'mgoing to go nuts.
I'm out of here.
I bolted.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like I was, like I got to go.
You shut the laptop on secondthought.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Nobody was up, the house was quiet, but I decided
it was time to go.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So when the schools take a snow day, do your kids
get a snow day as well.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, not typically, and the only reason we don't do
that is because they're done bynoon most days.
Anyway, they do one.
I don't want to say one lesson,but they'll do one subject a
day, so no, not usually.
Although my kids were outsidethis morning at like 9am it was
negative 12 degrees out playinglaser tag and eating snow, and
they were out there for an hour,I'm like.
(07:50):
I didn't like to walk to thecar, but you had to go, just go
through the garage.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, that's what I said it was 32 degrees in the
garage.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I didn't like that.
So, yeah, I mean, kids are kidsare, strange man they.
How cold was it your shoppedtoday?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
it was cold and of all days.
They decide that they're goingto turn the electric off on my
side of the building where myoffice is, so they can do
maintenance for a new burn tablethey're going to install.
So about 8 30 I'm in my office,lights go out, computer goes
out, heat goes off and at firstI thought they're playing a
prank on us.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I got you, so I'm like what the heck?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And they're like oh yeah, we forgot.
We're doing maintenance overhere.
I'm like today.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, what are you supposed to do all day?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
It's only going to take an hour or two, I go.
Okay, that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm like all right well, I guess right.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Well, I guess I'm gonna go find some hot cocoa,
and I did we have, um.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Our office is attached to a golf simulator
space, so we have a golfsimulator inside of that space,
um, and we have to walk throughthere to get to our offices and
we usually heat it to about 70degrees.
Dude, the golf simulator is sohot at 70 degrees compared to
our office.
Our offices offices arefreezing.
I don't know how, but they are.
So I've got a little spaceheater in my office that I kick
(09:08):
on.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Listen, today I thought it caught my pant legs.
I was sitting there and I wasworking.
I'm like man it is toasty inhere.
I'm just working away and I'mlike man I was.
It felt good.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I used to prop up my feet like right above it and oh
yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, if my phone rings whenever we get about
another 15 minutes in, it'sbecause there's a golf simulator
appointment and it gets alittle hairy.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Do people rent it out ?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, so it's.
You can rent it by the hour, soyou can do 60 minutes, 90
minutes, 120 minutes, and thenyou can book as many
appointments as you want.
So if you want to do four hours, you can book two two-hour
appointments.
I don't normally handle thegolf simulator.
Somebody else does, but they'reon vacation this week so, hey,
it's all me and you have toremote connect to it to turn
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everything on and get it set up.
It's not a big deal.
It's not hard.
It's worse when people mess itup Like somebody shut off the
computer.
So they have access to thecomputer but they don't have the
actual computer.
But they can go to the startmenu and turn it off, which when
people do that it creates chaos, because now I can't remote in
to turn it on for the next guest, so I have to send somebody
(10:22):
physically over there to powerit on.
So it's a real pain in the rump.
But it was off today and forsome reason I didn't get the
last two notifications forappointments, which is a real
pain, because they get there andthen they call myself and
they're like hey, we're here andit's not working Normally.
I have a half hour to you know,because the way the windows
work to figure it out.
So they had to call somebody,have them run over and get it
(10:45):
turned on.
So hopefully they don't turnthis one off.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
We'll see.
Well, before I lose it, haveyou seen the little Bradford
Exchange jumpsuits?
Yes, jumpsuits.
Oh my gosh, I was going toshare it to you and it wouldn't
let me.
I want them so badly.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But they're only six inches and they're $60 a piece.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, they're six inches.
I wasn't sure how tall theywere.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Six inches and they're $60 a piece.
But they have the Alohajumpsuit, they have the 68
comeback suit and they have thepeacock.
Now the problem with thepeacock.
Do you know what the problem is?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, really, nick.
Well, I didn't look at it thatclosely.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's displayed with a cape.
Elvis never wore a cape with apeacock jumpsuit.
So, brad, I know, I know,that's what I said I thought
they were authentic.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No well, apparently not that one's not Apparently
not.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So Tiger Jumpsuit's coming.
She emailed me today.
That's a real thing, it'shappening.
I have enough saved for anotherone, so now the question is
what's it going to be?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Why don't?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
you get one that doesn't fit you, I think I'm
going to buy from a differentmaker this time.
Oh, there's a maker in Thailand.
It's called AJM and JumpsuitMakers.
It's all they do, Dude.
Theirs are legit, but they'relike double the price too.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
How can that be like all they do?
That's all they do.
How many people buy thesejumpsuits?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
There are three companies that this is all that
they do.
Okay, just in Ohio, you haveSteve Yates he.
There are three companies thatthis is all that they do.
Okay, just in Ohio.
You have Steve Yates.
He's down between Columbus andCincinnati, that's all he does
make jumpsuits.
There's a lady in Canada, thelady I buy from.
There's a lady in Illinoisnamed Kathy Kittle.
That's all she does for aliving make jumpsuits.
Ajm and then B&K Enterprises.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's all they do.
Well, I got to ask why don'tyou use the guy a guy?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
in oh in ohio, because steve is incredibly old
and his he's not super accuratewith his replicas, so like his
spacing isn't quite right.
I mean they're decent, but Iwould call those beginner suits.
I'm in an intermediate levelright now where I'm buying.
If I move to the other companywill be like full-fledged, like
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these are stupidly priced andnobody should be spending that
kind of money.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Is there an estimate on how many Elvis impersonators
there are?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I wonder if that.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Let's look.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Ask Google.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Roughly 250,000 to 400,000.
I guess you could keep them inbusiness.
I mean, you got to think I'mbuying four a year.
Did they count you?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I don't know, I don't know.
Nobody asked you, did they.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
No, nobody surveyed me, that's for sure, nobody
surveyed me.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Maybe they go to the suit makers, maybe they do.
That's true.
Yeah, how many?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
people do, and then they can cross-reference the
list, yeah, and then they sellour information to the other
companies.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, and then they try and steal each other's
business.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, when I found AJM which I had known about them
for a long time, but againthey're expensive I reached out
to them a couple of days ago andjust said, hey, interested in a
new suit?
What would we need to doBecause they're in Thailand?
I mean, there's a whole processwith sending measurements and
just getting everything started.
Would your suit need a passport?
I don't know.
It does have to pass throughcustoms.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was going to say I've been stuck in customs.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, I do know that I had a pair of glasses get stuck
in customs for weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hey, I have a Parasites.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I have something I bought in November that still
hasn't showed up in my house yet.
Where'd you buy it from?
It was a car air freshener froma company called Drift, and
they have the worst customerservice ever.
They will do not.
They won't give me a refundbecause they say it's still in
transit, which it is technically, but it went from New Jersey to
Dover, to Michigan, and then itnever moved from Michigan for
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like 45 days.
It was insanity.
And then it said that it wasout for delivery in Dover, but
we forwarded the address so itstill never showed up, but yeah,
huh yeah did you order itthrough Amazon?
no, ordered it through drift,but anyhow, I ended up charging
it back on my credit card andgot my money back, so it didn't
really matter, but it's stillannoying and I won't buy another
one from them.
It's not going to waste my time.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Have you ever had the desire to design your own
jumpsuit?
No, never, or is that like ano-no In the Elvis world?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, I was going to say the reason I haven't is
because if you want to ever do acompetition, they have to be
authentic jumpsuits.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Have you ever done a competition.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Why not you would be surprised.
I mean, this is a theory ofmine, this is a theory of mine
and this happens a lot in ourarea, and I think it happens a
lot with anybody who has anylevel of talent.
Everybody's like oh my gosh,you're so good, you should go on
American Idol.
Oh, you should go on the Voice,you should go on America's Got
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Talent.
Fact of the matter is we'resmall town good, not big town
good.
You know what I mean?
I'm not Vegas material.
I could be but I don't.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
It's not a.
I just learned that with theGettysburg Guide test.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, oh, my God you should do it.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
You know everything.
Yes, I know everything.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And that's the hard part, and I'm very humble about
it.
I'm okay, but I enjoy mynursing home circuit and I enjoy
my little shows.
I don't need to be on a bigstage somewhere in Vegas.
It's just not what I'm shootingfor.
And don't get me wrong.
I want to start doing somesmall competitions, but I'm not
interested in the ultimatecompetition.
(15:57):
They have eight qualifiers ayear and then you go to
Graceland during Elvis week.
I mean it's a huge competition.
Those guys are way better thanme well, and there are some guys
that get there every year, thatmake it to the ultimate
competition every year, yeah,and never win and you gotta
understand, like some of thesepeople, that's all they do
that's what I was thinking
Speaker 5 (16:18):
and higher focus in life is there's an expense
associated with it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
If I were to do a small competition, you figure
there's an expense associatedwith it.
If I were to do a smallcompetition, you figure there's
$150 registration fee just to bein the competition, you have
150 bucks.
You got overnight stay.
Typically there are two nights,sometimes three depending on
how far you make it in thecompetition.
So you've got a three nightstay plus food and then anything
else that you would have tocover while you're there, and if
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you lose it's just gone.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yeah, but it's serious.
Is there an elvis impersonatorpodcast?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
oh, I'm sure there is .
Let's uh look that up.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Google it, because if not, we're starting one.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah first episode tonight no, there's not, it
doesn't look like there's onespecifically for you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Got to jump on it there's your what's this?
There's your next mission yeahwe know this one's just like
about memphis and they talkabout elvis week and things like
that.
We I should do that that wouldbe fun that would be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Just do phone interviews with people on it
before somebody else did yeah Imean, if there's an idea out
there that hasn't been taken.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
No kidding, it's, yeah, pretty amazing, so yeah
yeah, to have a newrevolutionary idea that somebody
isn't already doing is pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
If we have the technology clicking yeah
someone's gonna take your ideaonce.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, all right yeah, alissa is not a third no it
would be a fourth podcast.
Actually it might end up beinga fifth.
I am working with the chamberright now on launching a podcast
for Twin Cities just aboutlocal businesses.
So each business gets to comeon and do a half hour episode
about what they do, the types ofthings that they sell, and kind
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of do a quick promotion oftheir business and things like
that Wait so what other ones areyou?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, you like that.
So wait, so the ones are you?
Yeah, you're that.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, so I've got that one, this one, got this one
, the one we have tied together,which is the marriage podcast
which Sid and Chase just joined,so we're doing that with the
four of us.
Then I have rewind, which isour church podcast.
Oh, yeah, and so that would bepodcast number five.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
That one's cheating.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, not really.
I mean, I still have to recordit.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But you're recording it when you're preaching.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, maybe so, but it still has to be maintained,
All right all right, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah Okay.
Yeah, otherwise it would justbe never, be updated.
Actually, that one's over inminutes right now.
I'm like over by two hours onthat.
Oh way to go, I know so, by twohours on that Way to go, I know
, so there's an extra.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Nick, were you preaching in that?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, what?
No?
It's because I recently startedincluding the Wednesday night
services, oh, okay.
And so now that's an extra halfhour, 45 minutes that gets
tacked on there so.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I had to.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Let it go.
Let it go it's not my recordanymore, anyway yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Who took your record, holly?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Holly beat you.
I'm off the hook.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, that's funny.
Well, tonight's topic.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh, we're going to go to there, we are going to go
there.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We are actually going to talk about something.
So, sid, this was yours, and itsays the Bible was written for
us, not to us.
This is more of a statementthan a question, but it creates
some questions because a lot oftimes, this is a I can't reach
this is my copy now there's a.
(19:38):
Some people get church hurtbecause they don't want a pastor
who preaches at them but thatpreaches to them.
It's a fair statement, right,some pastors preach at you.
They try to tell you all of thethings that you are doing wrong
and how you should change them,versus a pastor who is
preaching the word, the gospel,and trying to change lives.
Right, there's a differencethere, so the Bible is
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essentially that same thought.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The book of Colossians was not written to us
, it was written for us so thatwe could read that and have that
information, but they weren'ttalking to us specifically.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To us in the 21st century, correct?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I would be frightened if Paul had to write a letter
to the church today Like can youimagine what that church, what
that letter would say?
And it would be a long one.
It would be a really long oneyeah.
He'd still be writing yeah,yeah, yeah he might not ever get
to get it finished.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know so he's like I'm cramping up over here.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So I had some thoughts, but I'll let you guys
start first well said, what wasyour what?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
how'd you come up with that?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
well, it was in the podcast.
I listened to, that.
I shared um, that Wesley Huffhad mentioned it and basically
he was saying um, you know andit's, it's nothing against the
people at the time, but theywere illiterate a lot, you know,
like they didn't realize howbig this world was.
Um, and that's not, that wasn'tWesley's biggest point, but
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even like, uh, certain you know,like the ocean, like the ocean
is brought up a lot of timesbecause they, because it's
something powerful you know,right, that's what.
That's how they comprehended it.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like so I guess that's kind ofhow I was picturing it, because
a lot of people, you know, lookat it and they're like well,
(21:32):
also, there's a lot to it,there's a lot of symbolism, and
people aren't like symbolicanymore, like they want.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Black and white.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, so that's kind of where I was starting out with
it, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
People aren't symbolic, I think is a great
place to start, but they're alsoargumentative, which is an even
better place to start because,let's be honest, we love to
argue Scripture because we wantto be right rather than letting
somebody else be right.
We've talked about this in thepast, but there's a local pastor
of a larger church who thinksthat Jesus has already come and
that's the gospel that theypreach, that the second coming
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has already happened and that Idon't know if we're left here
to—I don't know what the conceptis, but that heaven is here,
heaven is now and we should berejoicing in it and we should
be—anyhow, it's a long, verycomplicated—and when he speaks I
listen like I'm a moron, like Ifeel like I'm an idiot, just
(22:33):
listening.
I don't get any of it.
It's not the gospel that's everbeen preached to me.
Now he has a thriving churchwho really buys into this idea,
and maybe he's right.
I don't know, maybe we've gotit wrong.
I'm not sure.
I can't tell you that.
But what I'll tell you is thatif 98% of the churches are on
our side, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm pretty confident and I know the word is alive,
just yeah, much today, as it wasat that time.
But I think when someoneactually sat down and you know,
when john sat down was like I'mgonna write this, you know, down
.
He wanted to write it down thatway it wouldn't be forgotten.
He was writing it down in histerms, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And we go into revelation obviously wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I shouldn't say he wasn't thinking of us, he wasn't
.
You know he was, he was in histime and it's nothing on him or
anything jesus was thinkingabout us right right but peter
paul, john, that none of themwere.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They they couldn't even comprehend when jesus was
telling them that he would dieand then raise again in three
days.
They couldn't comprehend that,let alone the idea that their
words would live forever andthat the modern church, today's
church, would be reading thoseas something that maybe they
aren't, or something that wereharder to interpret.
Because, well, let's be honest,what they wrote was not clear.
(23:51):
It was not easy to interpret.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
All right, I need to go A lot of that.
You have to understand Jewishcustoms.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Translations at that time and Well, I joined somebody
number.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You guys can keep talking.
I have to find this.
I know what I want, but I gotto find it.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
So what does everyone else think, since I kind of
elaborated a little bit, roger,Well, I think scripture is meant
to be that way, that it's meantto be Open for interpretation.
Well, I think scripture ismeant to be that way that it's
meant to be open.
It's even almost like it's kindof the same concept of our
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constitution and our government.
It's a living constitution.
It wasn't set in stone like.
These are the rules, and if itwasn't mentioned here, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Then it doesn't have any weight.
A lot of things the way that itwas written.
It was written so that, yeah,people for all time can benefit
from it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So I think scripture is a lot like that.
It's you know?
Yeah, it's not.
It wasn't written for us, itwas written, yeah uh for us.
Yeah.
Uh it was written.
Yeah, I, I, I.
You can't say that.
No, they didn't write it withus in mind, but I think they
wrote it with mankind, you knowgenerally speaking generally
(25:23):
speaking like, yeah, this isgood, this, what we're writing,
is going to be for all time andfor all people even if how far
that was going to go?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, right, I definitely think that was the
intent.
Yeah, I think it's important tounderstand that the words, most
of the words that we read, werewritten under the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit.
So God telling them to writethese things down so that they
may be put into a book.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Specifically at the beginning of Revelation it says
this is the revelation fromJesus Christ which God gave him
concerning the events that willhappen soon.
An angel was sent to God'sservant, john, so that John
could share the revelation withGod's other servants.
John faithfully reported theword of God and the testimony of
Jesus Christ and everythingthat he saw.
And then it goes on to the bookof Revelation.
So John had these visions ofall of the things that are
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happening in Revelation and he'swriting them down right and
he's trying to describe thesethings in as much detail as
humanly possible.
That is how all of the booksare basically written.
But now you also have to takeinto consideration that you know
there are times when Paul is inprison and there's a difference
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in mindset when you're inbondage versus when you're when
you have freedom and while hesays you know, I am a slave to
jesus christ and he's alwaysarguing that like they can lock
me up, but I'm never going tostop serving.
That may be true, but you'regoing to have a bad day, every
whip stitch and you're probablygonna miss some details or
whatever.
So we have to keep that in mind, that this isn't like
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day-by-day journal entries.
These are stories that are puttogether in order to try to get
us from point A to point B.
There are gaps that we are notgoing to have all of the answers
for.
You find those answers throughprayer and supplication.
You find those answers throughfasting and prayer.
You did.
There's not, you're never goingto have all of the answers.
(27:19):
I have more scripture.
Can I go again?
Okay, all right.
First Corinthians, chapter 14,verse 34.
Anybody know what?
That is?
No Great.
This is my favorite.
I stand by this one too.
Just so we're all clear.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Women should be silent during church meetings.
No, I'm just kidding, it iswhat it says, but I'm just
kidding.
It is not proper for them tospeak.
They should be submissive, justas the law says.
If they have any questions toask, let them ask their husbands
at home.
For it is Now that's a strongstatement, right?
Like basically sit down andshut up, don't talk.
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We don't want to hear you.
Okay, now, this is concerningexercising the gifts in public
worship, so prophecy and prayerand things like that.
So that is chapter 14, verse 34.
But if we go back to verse 11,it says a man is responsible to
Christ, a woman is responsibleto her husband and Christ is
responsible to God.
A man dishonors Christ if hecovers his head while praying or
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prophesying, but a womandishonors her husband if she
prays or prophesies withoutcovering her head.
Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa, whoa.
If she's not allowed to talk,why are we telling her that she
can pray and prophesy?
Yeah, but that's in private.
No, this is talking about inpublic, public prayer.
Oh, okay, public prayer.
I didn't hear that.
Yes, public prayer.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You know what that sounds like what?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sounds like maybe a Mennonite.
Yes, yeah, so I think the point, and that's where the Mennonite
, that's why the ladies alwayswear a head covering.
I think the point that I makebehind that is a lot of times
people want to use chapter 14,verse 34.
They forget about that as a wayof saying women shouldn't
preach.
They're picking and choosing,but if I go back, I would say my
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argument would be that he'stelling us that they can so long
as their head is covered.
Now, again, we talk aboutwhether or not the law is like
that's a real thing or not.
But anyhow, my point is, whenyou read that in context and you
actually read the whole book,you learn that the women of the
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church in Corinthians they werereally on fire and they wanted
as much information as theycould get, and at the time those
women had to sit behind acurtain in the church.
So the men sat in the frontbecause they were being taught.
The women were allowed to listen, but they were to just listen
behind the curtain and whatwould happen is those women
would press against the curtainand they would say what does he
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mean?
What's he talking about?
We don't understand.
And they're asking thesequestions and whoever's
preaching can't get the word outbecause they're being
interrupted constantly.
So Paul is saying, hey, youguys are great, the sun really
does rise and set on the churchof Corinthians.
However, you got to sit downand shut up, right?
We can't get the word out ifyou're not listening.
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When you have a question, jotit down and then, when you get
home, text it to your husbandsomething.
You know what I mean.
When you get home, you guys canhash it out.
The problem was was the women,in my opinion, were far more
desiring of the word than themen were, because the men had
been allowed to have the wordtheir entire lives.
The women are just now gettingto the point where they're like
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starting to really dive in andunderstand.
So I don't know what my pointwas.
It's all right, but my pointwas that, oh, my point was it
was written for them in thattime.
Yes, it was written in thatsituation, for that situation.
It was not written necessarilyto tell us good, bad or
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indifferent on whether or notwomen can.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And I'm sure it was written in an emotion, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Oh, certainly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's probably like getting shoved every which
direction trying to like.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Maybe he's irritated at that time because these girls
are, I'm sure he is he's likeI'm just going to sit there
right now and I can't rememberwho was preaching at the time.
Was it Timothy that was thereat the time, does anybody
remember?
But basically he had gotten aletter from Tim.
I think it was Timothy.
He had gotten a letter fromTimothy that said hey, listen, I
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can't get anything done.
Every time I try.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
These women are.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It's not just the women, but they're all really
nagging me and they're justgetting on my nerves.
Can you help me out?
And so he writes this letter,basically rebuking the behavior
but not the people.
And so that's the.
There's a.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Silver line.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
We can understand that, we can read it in context,
but we can't take it and use itagainst people today.
But we can't take it and use itagainst people today.
There's a difference in it waswritten to them, it was written
for us.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yes, that makes sense , yes.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Hey, that's a topic, isn't it?
Good, see what I did thereCircle back A whole conversation
on topic.
We did it.
I even forgot what I was sayingfor a second, but I was able to
loop it.
It only took three seasons.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We started out slow, but I think once we got to it we
stuck with it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
What other thoughts do we have?
Any other scriptures?
There's a lot of scriptureslike that, but do any of us
struggle with the fact thatJudas is in hell?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I do yeah, okay, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And the reason I struggle with that and I have to
like, I have to put it becausethe Bible tells us very directly
he's in hell, like it's,there's no sugarcoating it.
It says that he is.
I struggle so badly becauseevery time I think about that
I'm like, had it not been forwhat he did, jesus wouldn't have
died Mm-hmm, he wouldn't havebeen resurrected and we wouldn't
have everlasting life.
(32:53):
So I feel like like throw theman a bone.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Right Like, can we?
Can we give him a pardon, apresidential pardon, a full and
unconditional presidentialpardon?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Let's think about it If he walks away and says I
can't do this.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Right, it's done, it's, it's literally over yes,
correct.
So yeah, I struggle with it andI've just always, it's always
been one of those like you.
You want to think that you know, because jesus goes to hell and
he comes out with the keys,right.
I want to think that, likejudas is like, uh, fabio riding
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on jesus's shoulders, his hair'sblowing in the wind and you
know what I mean, like I like,that's what I want Hides him
underneath his robe.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yes, right, he sneaks them out.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
But you know it's really hard to swallow that we
wouldn't be where we are if itweren't for that, but yet he is
suffering in hell.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And had no choice in it no Well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, he did, but he had to fulfill Right, he was
fulfilling prophecy, and so Godhad ordained those steps and we
knew that it was going to happen.
But again, we also know that weall have free will, right, Like
when God speaks to us and wedecide to go the other route.
I mean Jesus in the garden, hewas Lord.
Should it be your will, allowthis cup to pass for me.
Even Jesus is saying likelisten, I really don't want to
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do this, I'll do it if it's whatyou want.
And I mean Judas would havebeen in that same position where
I'll do what I have to do, butI don't really want to do this.
And at any point he could havechanged, and he did change his
mind.
He was like he has the silverand he's like no, take it back.
And they're like too late, toolate, ruth.
(34:27):
Anybody remember that movie?
Stephen King, no Tommyknockers.
It was a terrible movie.
Don't watch it.
It's a Stephen King, noTommyknockers.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
It's a terrible movie .
Don't watch it.
That's a lot like the Shining.
It's a Stephen King movie.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's these little dolls.
They come to life and they'relike Too late, Ruth, Too late.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You sounded like the monster on.
Monsters Inc.
I'm watching Wazowski, alwayswatching.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Wazowski, you forgot to turn in your paperwork.
That's one of my favorites.
I used to know a lady whosmoked heavily and I would call
her on.
This is OK, all right.
Umbrella of grace, umbrella ofgrace, umbrella of grace.
This isn't funny, it is funny.
So she used to.
I was when I worked in amattress store.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
This was before you got before I knew Jesus.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, that's not entirely true.
It was.
I was not on the straight andnarrow, let's put it that way.
I knew Jesus, but wasdefinitely not fellowshipping
with him at this point.
And she was our account rep ata mattress company and you would
call her and she'd be like thisis Gwen and she was the
(35:36):
sweetest lady you'd ever meet.
But you would like just.
And one time I said to her, Isaid Gwen, you know, your voice
is just so sexy.
She is like blown away she's.
I was dying, but her voice wasjust so raspy.
Anyhow, that was, I digress,but yeah, poor lady, poor lady.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I thought you were going to ask her.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
can you just say that would have been great oh boy.
Anyhow, here we go.
Loop is back, lady.
Yeah, somebody pull us back.
Somebody pull us back, please.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Ay, ay, ay, ay ay.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Well, so much for that.
Okay, there's got to be anotherthought about this, right.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I'm working on it.
Okay, let me ask anotherquestion then.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I have a feeling, based on the graphics that I had
to design for this Saturday'swomen's conference, that they're
going to talk about Lot and hiswife and Sodom and Gomorrah.
My question is there is in thatregion a statue it's not really
a statue, it is a rockformation that they call Lot's
(36:53):
Wife because it looks like atall pillar and it's kind of
standing almost by itself, andthey refer to that as Lot's Wife
, almost as if that is Lot'sWife having been turned into
salt and being there for all ofthese years.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, if it rained she'd be dissolved, because salt
dissolves in water.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I'm just saying I don't know that they're really
saying I don't know thatanybody's really saying that.
My question is do we think thatthose things exist?
Are we ever going to find theark of the covenant?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I don't know that was another thing I don't believe
so but they brought up, you know, like a lot of people in that
time in the ancient world, likethey believed in, like witches
and the supernatural and thingslike that.
So you could maybe put thatinto effect whenever they were
writing these things.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
she's a witch.
Bring out your dad, okay, whatmovie is that from monty python?
The quest for the holy grail?
Okay, I'm not a witch.
Look at her nose.
You put it on me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I'm not a puppet, I'm a real boy.
I'm not a puppet, I'm a realboy, not the gumdrop buttons we
were going so good.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I know it, just it happens, so she mentioned it.
Yes, right, had to say it, wewere on top good, I know it,
just it happens, so shementioned it.
Yes, right, had to say that wewere on top.
Sorry my brain.
Hey, I got a text from Tanya.
Was it today, maybe yesterday,I can't remember what day it was
.
but she sent me a text and she'slike, hey, I was listening to
the podcast and I know that ladyat the restaurant, that's
really mean and I was like Iknow, so it was a whole thing
(38:34):
about that to the podcast and Iknow that lady at the restaurant
, that's really mean and I waslike I know right, so there was
a whole thing about that.
So eventually that's gettingback to that lady.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So just so we're all clear on that one.
So we've got a good name outfor us.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, maybe, and maybe she'll find some Jesus.
I don't know.
You know the sade her thatshe's mean, but anyhow Well some
people it just comes natural.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
So how about— you have plenty of people who, okay,
they don't believe in the Biblebecause we can't find the Ark
Right, not the Ark of theCovenant.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The Ark, noah's Ark?
Yeah, noah's Ark.
We can't find it.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Yes, so therefore the whole Bible is alive.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Has to be alive.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
This ark does not exist.
But my argument plenty ofthings in history that we still
can't find, and and there'splenty of documentation to back
up the history, but for whateverreason, we can't find where the
guy's buried we can't find.
You know their treasure wecan't find doesn't mean it
didn't exist, doesn't mean it'snot history, it's just yeah,
(39:30):
there's.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
There are holes in history because we weren't
around, we don't know.
And the people who were aroundguess what?
They all dead.
It's just like when we talkabout noah and the great flood.
You know, we're finding fossilsof fish in mountains yeah how
else did they get there?
they didn't swim up the mountaina bird I don't have legs, then
(39:52):
yeah, yeah I don't know, I'm notsure if you know how this works
, but they did not swim up thatmountainside.
So, and I you know, I thinkthat there may come a time when
something is revealed, whenwe're able to find something.
But you know, they've foundwhat they thought were parts of
the ark in the past and theycarbon date the wood and it
(40:14):
doesn't carbon date old enoughor it carbon dates older.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
My thing is is we don't really have a full
understanding of the time frameeither yeah, we keep time
differently than we ever havethere's really, and they've kept
time differently in so many Iknow different, even in regions,
even in regions.
And I think during that timethey were keeping time by their
knuckles or something.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I don't know.
Yeah, it wasn't their AppleWatch, they didn't have their
Casio, casio Atomic Watch.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
I just see John Candy in planes, trains and
automobiles.
When he's trying to get to thehotel room, steve Martin has a
Rolex watch and he shows it tothe guy.
So yeah, he gives him a roomand John Candy's like.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I've got the.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Casio.
Did it have the calculator init?
I don't know.
Those were my favorites.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
And the guy's like, sorry, I'm going to have to say
goodnight.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I want to get me one of those with the calculator
built in.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
What was I going to say?
Oh, I lost it again.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
How old are you, Nick ?
Speaker 5 (41:21):
There it was 45.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Roger 45.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
There it was and there it went.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Wesley Huff was even saying there was speculation of
like the whole three days, youknow, with the dying, and like
three days later, like there'sspeculation, it could have
actually been sooner based onhow they took time Correct Based
on the ways that we think thatthey we we count time in 24 hour
periods.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Therefore, everything is 24 hour periods, even when
it, even when that's not howthey were keeping time.
It's the same with the sevendays of creation.
We don't know what thatactually looked like.
It could have been seven years,right, and again, we've talked
about this in the past.
But it says that a minute islike a thousand years and a
thousand years is like a minuteunto the Lord.
And when people say, you know,jesus is coming soon again,
(42:07):
sooner than yesterday, but wedon't know what that means.
No man shall know the hour, butwe know that we are closer than
we were yesterday.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
But and we also know he was born, he lived, he died
and rose again Like that we know.
That is the hundred percent thetruth.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
And going back to the book and the life of Jesus in
the crucifixion.
Throughout history, thousandsand thousands of years, there
has been trends.
There have you know?
There have been trends.
There, have you know there havebeen civilizations that have
come and gone.
So why is it that this bookthat was written by all these
different people within thiscertain amount of time, about
(42:46):
Jesus, you know he could havelived and died, and it could
have been a big thing for awhile and then just kind of died
out yeah, it could have been atrend.
Everybody got excited about itlike tiktok we could only hope
and it could have just beensomething that we kind of that.
We kind of almost look like kingarthur and the knights of the
(43:07):
round table you know we could,we could be looking at it like
that, but it's the one thing inthe history that humankind is
consistently passionate about,right like we have clung to this
story, we have clung to thishistory, we have clung to this
man, and it's the one thing thatdoesn't go away.
So I think that in itself isfor anybody who doubts it, or
(43:31):
for anybody has questions, or or, like you're saying, whether
you know they wrote it for us orto us.
I guess it doesn't reallymatter.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
No.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
The fact is that this book, this one book of recorded
history, has made such animpact, yep, through thousands.
You know, generation aftergeneration, and there's nothing
else like that.
There really isn't nothing elselike that there really is.
I mean, like I said, there'splenty of.
You know, I'm sure, when mobydick came out, um, now, maybe
that's a bad example, because Idon't even think, at first it
(44:01):
was very popular, but uh, well,no, because it was a huge,
terrible book when charlesdickens wrote the christmas
carol was a huge hit, you know,and and there's a lot of books
that were, uh, you know, reallyimportant for their time, even
like things like Frankensteinand Tom Sawyer and all those
books.
But yeah, it's stillinteresting to some people now.
(44:24):
But, for most people it's likewho's going?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
to read it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Who's really going to take the time to read Moby Dick
?
A few of us will that are kindof interested in that kind of
thing, but it's not like thebible.
It's the one book, it's the onething that has, uh, made
millions of people commit tothis idea.
Yeah, and like you said, therewere different populations, and
it's not because, and it's notbecause when you read it, it's
(44:48):
interesting no, lord have mercyso so explain that, yeah, it's
not like, it's not a page turner, it's not a thriller.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Right, you're not reading this going.
I have to get to the next page.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
So explain that.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So why?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
does this book have such a hold on people,
generation after generation?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I have two statements .
First, you said you weretalking about King Arthur and
the Knights of the Round Table.
Join me on my quest for Camelot.
So that was my first point.
My second point was that wasgood that was pretty sharp.
It's another Monty Pythonreference.
(45:26):
Jesus is listed as a prophet inthe Quran.
Jesus is the only prophet thatcommonly pops up in all of the
other religions.
So we know for a fact thatJesus was real.
So there is no doubt that Jesuswas a real person who lived on
earth and walked, and so peopleare like well, there's no proof
(45:50):
that that's true.
I can't imagine every religionwould at least mention him and
it not be true.
So then, the difference is wehave to then be able to accept
the fact that he was not just aprophet, as those religions will
have you believe, that he wasking of kings and lord of lords.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
He wasn't this guy that just came in and stirred
things up for a while.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Because he could have , he could have just been a
legend, you know, because Ithink there's even plenty of
people who, yeah, they actuallylive, but they're more or less
legends yeah, you know we don'tthink of them anymore than yeah,
like paul bunyan sam bass.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I don't even know who sam bass is.
I think sam bass was a caveman.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
I'm not sure for our history, even, like you know,
daniel Boone and Davy Crockettthey're legends.
Now they're not even realpeople to us, but they were real
people.
But they've kind of turned intoa legend and Jesus could have
been the same way.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
You said that, as if Paul Bunyan wasn't a real person
.
He was a real person, wasn't he?
Speaker 5 (46:53):
I don't think so.
I think he was.
And what about babe?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't think babe was a real blue ox but, she was
just an ox oh, that's not fairyou know why she was blue?
Nope, he was not a real person.
So I've lived a lie.
My entire life has been a liebecause it it was cold.
Wow, I had no idea.
I thought, for sure he was real.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Like I didn't think that he was some giant that
drove.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Johnny Appleseed might have been.
He was real.
He was real, yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
But he's a legend now , yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
But even go back through history and think about
some of the presidents, lincolnwould be more of a legend than
he.
George Washington is electedmore or less when you think
about those people, like youthink about George Washington
and people talk about his woodenteeth and like all of the
things that maybe aren't fullyaccurate, but it's the story
that we know and it's the storythat we tell Shopping down the
cherry tree?
Speaker 5 (47:44):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
All of those things were just yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
So yeah, so why?
You know that's always thequestion is there had to be
something to it.
It couldn't have just beencoincidence, it couldn't have
just been you know, it has to be.
There has to be something to itthat has changed the world.
And, as I've said many times,you know this world was a pretty
(48:09):
cruel place before he camealong.
And I don't think a lot ofpeople realize that cruel place
before he came along and I don'tthink a lot of people realize
that.
I think they kind of think likekindness and all the ideas that
he brought forth were there.
No, they really weren't.
You know, the world was apretty dark and cruel place
where pretty unforgiving and youknow, even the wrath of God was
pretty.
You know it was a rough placeto be, you know.
(48:33):
So, yeah, without him it's likewe don't have the ideas of
forgiveness and love and thosefruits that you've discussed.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
They would be again legend status where, okay, those
are things that we might talkabout, but they're not things
that we feel obligated to,morally obligated to.
Obligated to because, all right, if ground zero for morality is
Jesus, everything good comesfrom God, everything bad comes
from Satan or from hell orwhatever.
So if that is like the, if youdon't believe that Jesus Christ
(49:06):
is who he says he is, where'syour moral compass?
Start Like what's the barometerfor that?
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Like where do you go?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
What's good, what's bad.
So, for people who don'tbelieve in God, if shooting
somebody is bad, how do youdetermine that?
Because what is morality?
The Bible is what teaches usthat, right, like that's the
general basis and we can say, oh, society, it's not acceptable.
Well, the problem is, in somesocieties it is acceptable.
So how do you know?
(49:33):
We know because, well, theproblem is in some societies it
is acceptable, right.
So how do you know?
Yeah, we know, because theBible says it's not acceptable,
right.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of people could argue that that,
you know we don't.
Our conscience is justsomething that we learn,
basically from our parents andfrom society.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
The conscience is built on, on what we experience.
So if yeah, so if you do seesomebody get shot or you think
about, well yeah, it causes pain, so obviously it has to be bad.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
But but what is pain?
Speaker 5 (50:05):
because what is pain?
Because?
Speaker 1 (50:06):
okay, so let's put it this way pain is gain, pain is
gain so let's put it this way uh, let's say that you use your
charge card and you buysomething, and you get it and
you love it and it's wonderfuland you keep it, but you decide
that I really can't afford tomake the minimum payment on this
, so I'm going to charge it backwith my credit card company.
I know my credit card companyis going to give me full credit
(50:28):
for it, right, because typicallythey err on the side of the
buyer and then the merchant justloses that money.
Well, it's Amazon who cares,right?
They have billions of dollars,does it matter?
Is it still morally correct?
No, no, but you don't feel painfrom it.
Jeff Bezos doesn't feel painfrom that.
Nobody's really feeling pain,but it is still not morally
(50:50):
right.
That's the stuff that likewithout Jesus.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
And it's going to continue.
You're going to continue tomake those bad decisions.
Eventually it is going toaffect your life in a the next
thing.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
You know it's super easy.
You go to work and you take outthe petty cash box.
You're like, oh, you know what,Somebody balanced this wrong.
There's an extra 20.
That's going in my pocket.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
That's the last 20 things I've done, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Right, and eventually you get caught and then you're
like well, how did this happen?
Because your moral compass isreally broken, yeah, and we
don't know how to.
We don't know how to bring itback to zero, because we, if you
don't believe in Jesus, youdon't have, you don't understand
what zero is.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
You don't understand what neutral is.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
That was fun, well, you know, human sin causes us a
lot of times to live our livesthrough power and control and
everything that we have to gainfrom this world.
So without Jesus a lot of timesthat I think that's how people
are going to follow through inlife.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
They're going to try to get everything through
holding something over somebodyelse.
You know, keeping power, which?
is yeah, that's, that's the waya lot of civilizations were ran,
you know, before Jesus camealong, before he started
changing people's minds aboutyou know how to live.
It's just like.
I mean, I know the Egyptiansdid it and and I'm and that's.
(52:15):
I guess that's one thing likeI'm still trying to understand,
like, okay, like I've learnedsome things about Egyptian
society, but I'm trying tofigure out, like, okay, like I'm
sure they love their sons anddaughters, but I don't know if
it's like the way we think aboutit, because I think they were
always thinking like, okay, son,you're going to take over the
(52:39):
kingdom, so everything you dohas to be rooted in that idea
that someday you're going tohave to rule with the same kind
of power and authority that I do.
I don't know if they're, Iguess I don't know what their
moral compass was.
So I'm still trying to learnmore about that.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
But I don't think it's.
I don't know if they had one,you know.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that maybe theydidn't love their children but I
don't know if it's the way thatwe think about it, because I
think it did have more to dowith power and control.
And if you weren't one of those, you know, if you weren't in
that high authority or, in theircase, if you weren't a priest
(53:30):
or a magician or somebody whowas in that you know ring of
authority, yeah, you're apeasant.
You were not right.
You were absolutely nothing.
You know they didn't show thosepeople any kindness or mercy,
or you know grace.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, to point to that when I preached about um,
moses and aaron going to pharaohand asking that, uh, for the
people to be released, and someof the things that he would have
them do is he would say, okay,have Aaron throw down his staff,
his staff will turn into asnake.
When he picks the staff or thesnake up, it will turn back into
(54:05):
a staff.
And what did Pharaoh do?
He said that's nothing, I cando that.
And he would go out and hewould bring these people in and
they would do that exact samething.
And we don't fully understandthat all of that was very
intentional.
All of that was veryintentional and that, when you
say like so to him, moses andAaron were nobodies because
(54:26):
you're doing parlor magic.
Like everybody can do this Like.
You're not the only one thatcan do it.
This isn't God speaking.
This is just you learning howto do a trick to try to convince
me to do something.
But in the end, there wasobviously the parting of the Red
Sea that his people could notdo, hence the whoosh Bye-bye.
They were flushed away.
(54:47):
Alright, any parting wisdomLast minute?
Speaker 5 (54:49):
thoughts.
Sid, it's your turn to pray.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
They were flushed away.
Alright, any parting wisdom?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
last minute thoughts, sid, it's your turn to pray
alright dear heavenly father, Ithank you for this time that we
had tonight.
I thank you that you put thistopic on my mind.
Lord, it was for someone maybenot now, maybe, maybe, maybe, so
maybe in the future.
Um, I pray that.
(55:18):
Uh, you know, it just toucheswhoever and um, I pray someone
got something out of it and Ipray for travel.
Mercies in your name, amen.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Amen.
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