The Ripple Effect of Sin

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Speaker 1 (00:38):
Now, we're on Now.
We're on Now we are on How'severyone's week.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been acrazy week.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Roger, how's your week?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, actually, nick, you didn't get to tell Roger
why your week's been crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, Wife was in the hospital for a couple days.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Wow, it's been crazy.
Wife was in the hospital for acouple of days.
Oh wow, we were at Sam's Clubon Sunday and she started having
chest pains and discomfort.
And we go back to COVID.
She had a blood clot in herlung at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
So it was kind of a similar kind of thing and got to
be I don't know 3 in themorning on Monday and she's woke
up crying and a lot of pain andI'm like, well, you know, we
got to go and we got to go tothe emergency room you know,
because what happened to be ablood clot again that's.
You know, you can't fool aroundwith that.
So we get there, they run allthe tests necessary to check for

(01:35):
the blood clot, All good, butthen the doctor comes in.
He's like can't let you go homefeeling this way.
I never send anybody home sickso we're going to have to admit
you to the hospital.
So I think we were in theemergency room from like 5 am
until noon 12, 1230.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, because they said they were going to admit
her at 1030.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, it was another two hours before they actually
got her up in a room.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, that's typical.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, so we finally get her in a room.
You know, and they did everytest known to man.
You know she went throughultrasounds, x-rays, in the end
a stress test.
You know, blood work, all thatstuff, a complete workup.
Everything's good, which, youknow, praise the Lord.
You know it wasn't anythingserious, but we still don't know

(02:20):
exactly why she's feeling thatway.
So it could be just an extremecase of anxiety.
Uh well, that may be coupledwith, like heartburn and all
those kind of you know,ingestive issues as far as
esophageal and all those things.
so they want her to find a goodgi doctor to go to to kind of
follow up and maybe figuresomething out.

(02:42):
But yeah, so two days spent inthe hospital and no answers.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That stinks.
Yeah, no answer.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
You know of course, like I said, praise the Lord, it
was nothing serious, but you'realways hoping, like, like Sid
and I were talking.
It's like I hope it's nothing,but I hope they find something.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Just something minor, something, a quick fix, you
know, so we can get her feelingbetter again and know why Seems
like nothing's ever a quick fix.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
No no.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And you wonder sometimes, like do these doctors
just like to run every test,just because they?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
can.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, help out their insurance buddies.
I don't know, but the goodthing is we had already met our
deductible, so I think we'll beokay.
I think because people have beenso quick to sue, yeah, yeah
that you know they go in thereand just try to rule out
everything, and I always do hopethese doctors are being genuine
, like they truly do want tohelp you, so they don't want to
leave anything to chance, theydon't leave anything out.

(03:43):
But I always wonder sometimes,because I've been hearing now
like, oh, she could be deficientin vitamin d and that could be
your whole problem.
I'm like that's kind of liketaking your vehicle and for
repairs and you say, well,what's wrong?
Well, it's not running, andthey don't check the gas first
and they don't check the gasfirst yeah.

(04:03):
Like they don't check the gastank first.
They start with all the bigstuff then, work their way down
the small stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
But perhaps it's a little different in the medical
field.
Sometimes you feel that waythough.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
I'm sure that if she's established with the
doctor that you said she did,that, that's already been
checked.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, she did that.
That's already been checked.
Yeah, yeah, is she full of gas?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
oh why not be, so far away from oh man.
So yeah, so we like I said wewere there from 5 am monday
until yesterday around.
They finally let her go, Ithink around 2.30.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, at least they let her come home.
Yeah, it's too bad you can'tfind her.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
And they didn't tell her she had to stay until it was
getting kind of late in theafternoon.
Then they told her she had tospend.
Well, because at one point theysaid we can't do the stress
test until morning.
So we went out once eatingafter midnight and she's like
well, that means I can go home.
And they're like well, no, youhave to stay, we have to monitor
you.
Well, that just crushed her.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
She thought she was going home.
Oh yeah, when you're inhospital and they say oh yeah,
you can go home, and then fiveminutes later, Are we recording?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, bro, didn't even tell us he was leaving,
just walked out.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
He didn't have the knife with him.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Michael's coming to get the knife off of Roger.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Roger, just up and bounced we're not going to ask
what he wants.
The knife for Makes me a littlenervous.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
We got six guys back there working.
One guy has a knife.
It makes me a little nervous.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
We got six guys back there working.
One guy has a knife.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Whose fault is that?
It's my knife.
It's your fault for carryingyour own knife.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
You just can't do anything, right, I'll tell you
you ought to work back therewith them people.
No, I don't want to.
I'll tell you.
I'm telling you you ought towork back there with them people
.
No, I mean, it's just I don'twant to, me and Rodney.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
I think we should take this podcast live.
Does it cause a ripple of sinOn location?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, Just go to the gym.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Go to the gym.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, get the inside scoop, get the scoop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
That would be pretty fun.
We need a wireless situationgoing on.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, we'll have to ask the council, suppose I'm
like hard copy.
Charlie was still on.
Remember all the hard copy?
I don't know.
That was a long time ago.
I remember seeing that as a kidwhen my mom was watching TV.

(06:43):
But anyway, yeah, so I thinkall is at least well for now.
And the other thing you knowwe're going on vacation to Maine
.
We leave next.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Friday.
Maybe that's putting the stresson her.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
You've got her doing all this extra work and things
that she has to get.
I was going to ask are you likethe planner for travel or does
it just depend?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Usually, when it comes to vacations, I plan
everything.
Now, in this case, we have nothad time to really come up with
a plan.
We have, like ideas of what wewant to do, but it's not as
structured as I would like it tobe.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh yeah, but them are always the best ones, and
you're right, it might be it tobe, oh yeah, but them are always
the best ones.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
And you're right, it might be.
It might be.
I like to fly with the seat ofmy pants.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I at least like to have a general idea.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That way we're not all standing around going well,
I don't know what do you want todo and you waste time doing
that as opposed to today.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're doing this.
That's what you say.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Let's go see the world's largest ball of twine.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Okay, I've seen the world's largest Jolly Green
Giant back in 2022.
That was pretty cool, was it inIowa, minnesota, blue Earth,
minnesota.
That's where, babe, that'swhere.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Green Giant is Well, babe was there too.
Who Babe.
The blue ox?
Oh yeah, I didn there too.
Who Babe.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
The blue ox?
Oh yeah, I didn't see that.
Hmm, so yeah, so we're excited,but we feel a little—.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And Beth is over there rolling her eyes.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well, and of course you know, the big anxiety is the
cats.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, maybe that's what threw her in there, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
She's scared to death to leave her cats behind.
We have her.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Cat lady.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think her cousin's coming over to take care of her
while we're gone.
They should be fine, but yeah,if she's worried about that.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Which cousin?
I'll tell you if they'll befine or not.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think they will.
Her name escapes me right nowokay god I think she'll be okay.
Yeah, because she's.
She's a crazy cat lady too.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Oh well, yeah, she'll be good.
Yeah, are you taking maggiewith you?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
yeah, yeah, the whole family, yeah, it's gonna be a
big group uh staying in a housebed or not a bed and breakfast,
but a uh help me airbnb good job, roger uh, yeah, I'm
up on the beds like eight peopleand so, yeah, the house will be
full and um should be a goodtime, but uh, she's a little

(09:12):
nervous about leaving the cats.
One has to actually stay thewhole week at the vets because
because it needs insulin twice aday, you know.
So I have to make you know he'swell taken care of.
So, yeah, we're kind of comingup on a week now and we're, I

(09:33):
don't want to say, nervous aboutit, but, just like I said,
usually I know exactly whatwe're doing when we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
What part of Maine are you going to?
Near Bar Harbor?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
So it's close to like Bangor and close to Arcadia
National Park, which is whatwe'll be doing.
So it should be a good time andit should be just.
The leaves should be turning orhave already turned.
That's why we picked the dateswe did, because everybody says

(10:05):
you have to go to Maine when theleaves have turned.
So we'll go up there andhopefully we'll get some good
seafood.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Have you been up in that area before?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
No, this will be my first time.
Oh, we went to.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Start praying about the traffic now, oh boy we went
to, but I think we're goingabove Boston.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think we're going above.
Boston.
I think we're going to avoidthat, so we should be okay.
Because actually we're going togo to the Baseball Hall of Fame
in New York.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
So you'll pass like Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Okay gotcha Cooperstown, yeah,so we're going to go there for a
day.
Cooperstown, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And then we are going to go there for a day.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Cooperstown yeah, yeah, and then we are going to
swing over to SalemMassachusetts, oh you're going
to see the witches, yeah, sowe'll see all that history.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
That'll be cool.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And then we'll go up to Maine from there.
So we'll get to do a couplethings, because it's like, what
is it?
18 hours, 17, 18-hour drive toMaine.
So we're going to break it up.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because I am too old to be doing straight shots
anymore.
Yeah, do they still have thatliving history village there in
Salem?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
That would be pretty cool to go there.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, you can go in and see all the old houses.
I think like NathanielHawthorne the famous writer, his
house is there.
You could tour that if you wantto.
So it's just not the witchthing.
They have all sorts ofdifferent you know, a lot of
history there being, you know,colonial.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Old colonial town.
So I mean I've seen the oldgraveyard.
I love seeing them old.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know, because they've got the ones from like
the late 1600s, 1700s.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, so that looks pretty neat.
The settlement.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, you got right.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Settlement cities.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, villages Still looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
But gotta get ready.
Yeah Well, we'll be praying forMargie.
You'll have to keep us updated.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah yeah, I didn't know she was, didn't know she
was sick.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, like I said, we were in church Sunday.
I believe she was good, shehadn't really complained about
anything.
We got to Sam's Club and all ofa sudden she was, like I said,
she had to sit down.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I just went downhill from there.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Now it's all uphill.
The thing about it waseverybody in our family well,
not everybody, but uh, my stepson, his wife, the baby.
They all had this terriblestomach bug lasted 24 to 48
hours, but I guess it wasterrible.
Well, margie goes over there tohelp him out for a little bit
and she came home and she didget some of those symptoms, but

(12:38):
not as as bad.
So at first we thought, well,maybe it's something to do with
that.
And then, of course, when shegets sick, they even tested her
for COVID.
So they tested her for that andthat's why we were worried
about it being a blood clot.
So you know.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, that's good, always something Sure is.
Sure is.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Your son made it home .

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yes, I think he flew home Not in a plane, In his car,
Because he left our house at7.30 Friday morning and at like
6.20, I got a text message I'mhome.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
And that's even more impressive with the time change
right, Because he's going back.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh, I wasn't even thinking about the time change.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, he goes, he's back.
Yeah, yeah, to an hour, I think.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah.
He said I says would you do flyBecause I called him in.
He said no, he said I didn'tfly.
He said I just would you do flyBecause I called him in.
He said no, he said I didn'tfly.
He said I just ran a speedlimit.
I said you know you can go tohell for lying.
Just feel it, don't you?
He just kind of chuckled.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
That was his wife with him.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, no, no.
She had to work and his sonwanted to come but he had school
.
So he had to work and his sonwanted to come but he had school
.
So he was a little upset thathe couldn't come.
But he said he really enjoyedthe podcast.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Oh good.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's good.
He said it was nice to put aface to their names and people
talking and that stuff he saidit was—to tell you the truth,
I'm surprised that he listens.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, that's neat, surprised that he listens yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
That's neat, that's a blessing, it sure is.
That's what it's all about.
Yeah, I thought it was a greatepisode.
I wish we could do more of thattype of thing.
It's not that we come in herescripted or anything, because we
don't.

(15:04):
But we generally have an idea ofwhat we want to talk about and
it's usually topic-based andwe're all pulling things from
the Bible.
But to actually have somebodysit here and kind of express
their experience of what they'regoing through and what they've
faced in their lives, I meanthat just makes it even more,
you know, real.
Yeah, it just makes it morereal and just more it really
hits you.
It hits you different.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, and he didn't shut you down, he let he
listened.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, yes, he did he.
Yeah, I mean, he listened to mefor a long time.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Really, we all did.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I didn't go to sleep.
Yeah, I didn't go to sleep.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, I was deaf.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I mean, hey, he needed to hear it from somebody
else.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
And it was nice.
It was nice he was even able tocome in as vulnerable as he did
Right Right and I think ithelped.
It says a lot about hischaracter.
Yes.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
He could sit here and listen.
You know, because that's alwaysa touchy subject.
You know, the first thingpeople can say is well, you
haven't experienced what I'veexperienced.
How could you possibly know?
How could you?
You know, who are you to tellme?
You know, a lot of people cantake that attitude.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Oh yeah.
So to me it's a really sign ofsomebody who is, even though
he's expressed some doubts, youcan tell that he does have some
spiritual maturity, that he cansit and listen to somebody and
he's not that type that you know.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, he's going to shut you down, or yeah and he
doesn't.
He doesn't use his own badexperiences to make excuses, or
right, say well, you know whatcould you possibly?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
you know?
Tell me you know, what could Ipossibly learn from you?
You, you've never, you haven'tbeen through what I've been
through.
Like I said, you can hear thata lot in people and uh I believe
he knows in his knower yeah,yeah, trying to yeah put the
pieces together yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
I mean, he puts the answers of why yeah, and when,
when god gives him those, then Ithink you'll see the complete
change.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, yep, yeah like I said, I think there's
definitely a spiritual maturitythere that you know he he's just
.
I mean, everybody wants answersto certain things.
We all go through that, thatyou know.
If you have Sometimes there areno answers, yeah, well, no.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean, but that's just where.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
That's where you know just your trust in God comes in
.
That's where you know if you'remature enough to really accept
the will of God and tell himthat.
I've said it many times with mydad, I mean that was the first
time and I think I needed thatand I don't want you know.
Sometimes I think, well, didthat all?
Was that all supposed to happen?

(17:54):
Because it wasn't until thathappened that I truly realized
that I could trust the Lordcompletely.
Happened that I truly realizedthat I could trust the Lord
completely because instead ofgoing down, you know, to the um,
you know down to pray and belike why?
Why, god, is this happening?
And please don't take him.
And you know there was no forme it was.

(18:15):
There was no begging, it was.
You know I don't want him to go, but I trust you completely
that you have this handled andwhatever happens is your will.
And I never felt so much peacein my life.
I was able to handle thatsituation from that point
forward with a whole differentkind of strength because I just
gave it to him and that's in anyexperience, I think, no matter

(18:36):
how severe it is, you have toget to that point where you
totally give it up to him.
You don't try to control theevents, you don't try to impress
your will upon him, you accepthis and it just gives you this
completely different strengthand confidence and peace that

(18:56):
can really get you through a lotof tough situations, as opposed
to begging your way through it.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
I see that with jarvie.
I mean he was raised in churchuntil he was old enough to tell
his mom.
I'm not going no more.
Yeah, you know and, but it tookthe loss of his son, my stepson
, in that auto accident to getus back in church.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes it's.
You know, the Lord give us andthe Lord take us away.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
And my husband believes in his heart that
that's why things happen the waythey did.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah and I always say , like my dad passed.
I think that fall before COVIDreally hit.
And I'm telling you, my dadcould not have lived through
COVID, not because of anythingphysical, but because he loved
people so much.
He loved to hug people, heloved to be close to people,
help them.
He walked the ladies at thehospital out to their cars every

(20:00):
single night.
It's just who he was.
I don't think he could havehandled the, you know, six foot
space between people and notallowed to engage people or be
around people.
I just he wasn't meant.
He wasn't meant for COVID, soto me it was almost like yeah,
he probably would have wentinsane.

(20:20):
I mean maybe an actual literal,like literally too, I don't know
, but I mean it just would nothave been, it would have took so
much away from who he was andwhat he does, especially since
my mom had passed and he had beafter his retirement.
He still volunteered at thehospital because he loved to do
it.
He loved to help people, loveto help people.
He thought that was a worthything to be doing and so he

(20:42):
wouldn't have been they.
You know, during that time theydidn't have those volunteers,
so he would have had to stayhome and do nothing and I think
that would have just yeah, thatwould have drove him crazy.
So you know, so really I do, Ido think it was God's timing and
it's certainly for me, and forme personally, it just um, there

(21:03):
was just something about that,just like I say, totally
trusting him and just for thefirst time, you know, quit
making excuses, quit trying toenforce your will upon God, just
letting him do his thing, youknow, even if it's going to be
one of the worst experiences ofyour life, you know, uh, you got
sometimes you just just got togive it up to him and everything

(21:26):
else from there.
No matter what happens, it justseems like it fits.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
And, as we talked last week, it's easy to lay it
down and surrender it all to him, but then to pick it back up.
And you truly just surrenderedit and trust in him.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And it just really helped me through the whole
process of um planning thefuneral and doing all those
things.
I mean, I even spoke at mydad's funeral and I still have a
lot of people like I justthere's no way I could ever do
that, there's no way I could getup there and talk at my parents
you know funeral, but it's just.

(22:06):
I just had that peace and I justfelt like, you know, that's
something I wanted to do for myfather well, that's what I was
going to say, just like I rodethrough that.
I just do it, you know yeah um,so yeah, it just, it just gave
me a whole new you know outlookand confidence and, um, and I
know, and I know trials of thatkind will come again, you know,
and honestly I'll be interestedto see how I handle it, you know

(22:30):
, the next time.
But I think I will.
I think I will handle it thesame way because I've seen it.
I've seen what that doespersonally when you're in one of
those situations.
So to me it's a major, majorstep in your relationship with
God is when you're like okay,yeah, I'm just going to trust
you with this.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
We are.
No go ahead.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
We're going to throw you under the bus, but what's
your topic for tonight?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
oh well, you know we've all been through.
It's been a pretty.
What would you say?
What kind of week has this beenin our world?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
trying chaotic, chaotic there's probably a few
words you could use.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'd say eye opening it's yeah I guess I'm looking
for a more classy word than eyeopening, but uh, you know I I
said I posted it online.
I mean, and we're all talkingabout charlie kirk and uh,
there's.
You know, if you're on socialmedia at all, it's no surprise

(23:44):
that this thing has gottencompletely out of control I mean
the amount of conspiracytheories that have already been
introduced.
Yeah uh, if you ever wonderedwhat the assassination of jfk
would have been like in ourtimes, well, we're finding that
out yeah you know it's justcrazy.
Every day, just there's more andmore theories and you know

(24:05):
videos that come up trying toconvince you that this happened
or didn't happen, or he's stillalive, or that really isn't him
in the casket that you know.
That's not his wife, erica,standing up and speaking.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
You know to the nation.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, it's just crazy the amount of garbage that
you get exposed to on socialmedia.
Now, don't get me wrong thereis also a lot of great things
coming out of it.
I'm still very concerned ofwhat the effects of all this is

(24:39):
going to be in the end, but Iwill say that I'm very proud and
happy to see that a lot ofpeople have we've seen a lot of
good come out of this.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
We've seen.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I mean, the amount of people that are going back to
the church for the first timesince his death, and just the
inspiration that it has had onpeople is truly amazing.
So there's going to be plentyof bad things that come out of
it, but it is very nice to seethat you know there's people

(25:11):
really standing up and it'sgiving people the inspiration to
really start speaking theirminds about how they feel
spiritually instead of hiding it, and, you know, thinking that
it's not something you'resupposed to talk about with
other people, and I think we'rerealizing that.
No, that's probably one of themost important things.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Is to be able to talk spiritually with people.
And I, for me, I posted online.
Me, I posted online, I said tome this my, my anger about it
and my disappointment with it isnot political.
If he was just a politician, Imean, I could still see you know

(25:56):
the validity in all this, butfor me, it's the fact that you
know, uh, they killed a servantof the Lord.
Uh, they killed a brother ofthe cross and they killed a
soldier of the army of theliving God.
And that's just the way I see it.
That's, to me, is the mostimportant thing about it, and

(26:16):
that's the thing that everybodyshould be concerned about the
most.
That is what we lost.
You know as a person and whathis mission was in life.
That's what we here left herehave lost.
Politicians are made and brokeevery single day, but somebody

(26:37):
like that just doesn't comearound.
you know, once a century yeah Ireally think I mean to be as
young as he was.
Um, you know, and and again, um, you can argue politics,
whether you agreed with hispolitics or not.
I mean, everybody knows.
Yes, he was a staunchrepublican, conservative, all of
those things, but he's I.

(26:58):
He spent more time talkingabout Christ than I think
anybody that I'm aware of,especially for that age group,
to bring.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
So many young people to it was just really something.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
And, as the old saying goes, you don't know what
you got until it's gone.
Know what you got till it'sgone?
Uh, you know, it's just.
You're finding out just howmany people, young people, did
look up to him and sometimes we,we think where's this young
generation going?
We just don't know what theythink.
And you know they're just.
You know you tend to put themall in a box, but then you

(27:36):
realize that not, there arestill a lot of good, young, yeah
, up and coming people out thereyeah that do love christ, that
do have that in their heart,that are building their lives on
that principle and they'reactive in it and they're willing
to stand up for that.
So that's refreshing to seebecause, like I said, I think a
lot of times we focus on the badwith our generation, with all

(27:59):
the social media and all thosekinds of things.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
So I just thought it.
You know that was my whole.
That's what I'm feeling aboutthe whole situation.
And you know you got a lot ofpeople who they love Charlie
Kirk, but you can you canalready tell like they're
letting their anger get the bestof them.
They're so angry about it thatyou know they want retribution.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
They don't want justice.
Yeah, you know, they wantretribution.
And it's like would Charlie dothat?
Right, you know what wouldCharlie tell you?
You know it wouldn't be doingwhat you're doing.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Almost like Michael said Sunday yeah, An eye for an
eye, a tooth for a tooth.
What did he say?
It wasn't to compare, it was tooh, or what Gosh.
Does anyone remember what hewas saying?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I don't remember.
I I know I remember him sayingsomething.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I forget what he, what he called it basically like
if you take my eye, I'm justgoing to take your eye, like I'm
not going to take your arm.
That might be more useful, likeif you're a I don't know, like
a some farmer, a farmer, atradesman who uses their hands
Like it was more to be equal.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
But we can't look at it, you know.
We can't look at it that wayBecause, at the end of the day,
like sin is sin, yeah, no matterhow big or how small.
Like, yeah, I think there willbe more consequences for
something such as murder, butit's also, I mean, sin is sin
and each and every one of thosesins, you know, is just

(29:49):
separating you from God, youknow.
So it's like yeah there's noother way to look at it, like I
don't want, I don't want.
People like, oh well, he, youknow, he needs to have the death
penalty and this and that.
Well, who are you to tell andsay that you know, I don't know?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, everybody deserves safety, everybody
deserves justice, everybodydeserves to hear, to have their
voice heard.
But you have to let thatjustice be God's will.
You can't take it upon yourself.

(30:28):
Yeah, retribution solvesnothing, because then that just
puts you on equal footing withthe people that did this.
You end up being no better thanthe people who did this and it
doesn't solve a thing.
So you do have to trust in Lordthat true justice, you know,

(30:49):
will be served.
Yes, you know, in America we dohave a process, um, and
unfortunately, you know it is aprocess that can lead to the
death penalty.
When I look at that kid, youknow I'll be honest, I don't see
an evil person.

(31:09):
I see a person who's beenmisled.
That is my ultimate thought onthat, because I'm thinking this
kid has his whole life in frontof him.
You're 22 years old, him.
You're 22 years old.
What possibly could have he hadto fill himself with such evil
or hate that he would killsomebody?

(31:30):
And you listen to the storiesof his family and where he came
from and how he may have beenjust a year ago and where he is
now.
You think that kid shouldn't bein this position.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
But I think there was outside sources outside
influences that were leading himinto this trap, and
unfortunately that happens a lotto college students so you know
, I definitely think they havethe right to be able to form
their own opinion.
But, you know, for anyonelistening like just keep an eye

(32:06):
out on the ones that are goingto college and like, when
they're home for Thanksgiving,like just still talk with them
about their morals and theirprinciples.
Cause I can remember a localpastor he's not here anymore but
his daughter, um, she went awayand, you know, came home and it
was like I think it wasChristmas break during COVID,
and she was kind of like justtalking all about oppression and

(32:27):
like and every, and she wasalmost getting too influenced
and he kind of had to bring herdown a step or two.
And you know, he's like well,you are right in thinking this,
but it's also, you know, this iswhat the bible says and I don't
want you to steer away from youknow what you were taught
growing up.
So it's, yeah, it's definitelysomething touchy because, again,

(32:50):
I think they should have theiropinions, and I mean my opinions
have changed since I was, youknow, 16 or 17 on some certain
things, but I didn't go so far,right to left within a year.
You know what I mean yeah likethat's what's crazy.
Yeah, like two extremes.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, you had mentioned his name that last
week and I'm like I don't know,I don't know him.
But then once I seen his, face.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I'm like oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
I've watched him, you know, and just didn't have it
yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, so yeah, I just you know, and this is, you know
, we talk about empathy and,like I said, when I look at the
kid, kid that young, witheverything in front of him,
somehow got this idea in hishead that this was either going

(33:48):
to change the world for his youknow his agenda, his situation
or his partner's situationsituation?
And if he did, you know, if hedid have accomplices, you know,
it seems as though, well, youknow, they're leaving him to the
wolves.
Ain't nobody else going to comeforward and say, yeah, you know

(34:17):
, I helped him.
So it's just a very, it's verytragic that you know such a
young kid wouldn't, you know,find reason to do this?
Um, because, yeah, I mean hisno it's.
It's just ruined his life andit's probably his parents' life,
and of course you know CharlieKirk's family and everybody that
loved him, and and you know,and when you asked me about my

(34:39):
topic, um, I, I said somethinglast week and sometimes you say
things that I didn't mean to sayit.
I didn't plan to say it, but Isaid every sin has this ripple
effect, the ripple of sin, and alot of us don't think about it,

(35:00):
but I think about it, just likethrowing stones in a lake, you
know you can pick up thesmallest pebble, throw it in and
those ripples are still goingto go out, and they're not going
to go out very far.
Sometimes, when you sin and youthrow that smallest stone out
there, well, it might onlyaffect you in some unfortunate

(35:24):
way or just some way that setsyou back with the Lord.
But the more you sin, or thebigger the sin, now you're
throwing a bigger rock in theripples go out farther.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So then, not only More people you hurt, yeah.
Not only now are you hurtingyourself, but now you're hurting
the other people you hurt, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Not only now are you hurting yourself, yep, but now
you're hurting the other peoplearound you.
And then, of course, yeah, youcan pick up the biggest boulder
you can find, and we've all donethat as kids you love to find
the biggest rock and toss itinto the lake and it creates a
huge splash.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
So chaotic that you don't even know where the
ripples begin and end.
Complete chaos splash yeah, sochaotic that you don't even know
where the ripples begin and end.
Yeah, um, complete chaos.
You know and that'sunfortunately in this situation
that that was a big boulder thatwas thrown into the lake, like
the sin of what's happened herehas just been so great.
That's just made everything sochaotic yeah but you see, what's
happening is there's a lot ofpeople out there that mean well

(36:22):
right now by standing up forCharlie Kirk and his family, but
they're being hit by thatboulder.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
To the point where they want retribution.
Yes, they want to lash out inanger.
Yeah, they want to get theirown kicks in with these people.
They want to hunt these peopledown yeah, you know any anybody
that's from the left.
You know they want to hunt themdown like dogs and kill every
single one of them.
Um, and again you go back toempathy.

(36:55):
You could be like, yep, well, Iunderstand where they're coming
from.
I can understand why somepeople would be that angry, but
if you go back and listen tocharlie kirk, you're like you
cannot come to that conclusion.
That will solve absolutelynothing yeah but you do see that
just again how chaoticeverything is.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Get that the sin is so great that look how it's
affecting the whole country yeahyeah, you know um and I mean
like we, we say all the timelike what would jesus do?
Like you could, you candefinitely put that into this.
You know, like jesus probablywould not be trying to get you
know, quote unquote, get backwith them.

(37:37):
Like you know he would betrying to love people more than
anything during this time, likehe wouldn't be trying to do all
these things.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
You know that everyone's trying yep, not
everyone, but yeah well, there'sjust so many innocent people
that could get caught up in this.
More innocent people could diebased on somebody's reaction to
this whole thing and they thinkthey're doing it out of love.
They think they're doing it outof love.
They think they're doing it outof a just cause.
They're thinking like it's timewe need to.

(38:06):
You know, enough's enough andthis is how we need to approach
it.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
And I mean, let's just say like that's exactly how
.
What was his name?
Tyler?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's exactly how he looked at it, that's why he did
looked, that's why he got towas in his mind Enough was
enough and he felt that that wasgoing to solve his problem or
that he thought he could do thisand get away with it.
To put you know, get somebodyout of the way so that you know

(38:41):
their situation, their movementcould, could go farther.
And you know, now he's sittingin a jail cell and a suicide
anti-suicide vest.
Tell you know, having somebodytell him that you know, yeah,
we're going to put you to death.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
You know, and some people say, yeah, they even got
firing a firing squad is one ofthose options.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
That's what I read.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
And, like I said, this is a kid.
You know it's hard to fathom.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
A mixed up kid, very mixed up, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah.
So we have to remind ourselvesthat, like I said, we all
deserve safety and justice.
For something like this, no,you can't let everything go
unpunished.
There has to be a punishment.
There has to be society.
You do have to keep societyunder control together.

(39:33):
There are rules to the world welive in, but again you have to
let justice take its propercourse.
You can't take it into your ownhands because again it just
does become retribution.
So it just people.
We all have to realize that, atthe end of the day, that we are

(39:56):
subordinate to God and his will.
At the end of the day that weare subordinate to God and his
will, no matter how angry we are, no matter how much we don't
understand, no matter how muchwe want results and we want to
get those results by our ownhand.
Whatever you're doing, you haveto stop and say I'm subordinate

(40:18):
to God and his will.
I can't go out and inflict thesame harm and pain on somebody
else to you know.
That's just revenge.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
And at the end of the day, that's you feeding your
flesh.
Yeah, your flesh is the onethat wants to do that.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
And that's just throwing more boulders into that
lake.
That's just going to keep ongoing.
That ripple effect is justgoing to keep on going, touch
more and more people and in theend it's not going to solve a
thing.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
No, we want to come out of this with a brighter idea
of who Christ is and his love.
And we're only going to getthat, if you know, if we're
subordinate to his will and wewait for his timing for justice
to take place and it takes theproper course.
You know, and overall it doesseem like you know most people,

(41:18):
and overall it does seem likemost people.
It is really just great to seehow many people are coming
together for candlelight vigilsand everything has been peaceful
.
But there are those, you know,there's plenty of things out
there as well Just people justgetting really angry and wanting

(41:43):
to just, you know, again, sayenough is enough.
But yeah, that's not what wewant as American people.
That's not the course we want totake and God's not going to
bless us through this.
If that's the course we takeand that's what so many people
don't understand is this countryis blessed for a reason and

(42:05):
it's because we, when we foundedthis country, we based it on
Christian principle, Whetherpeople want I'm sorry whether
people want to admit to that ornot, and I do support the idea
of the separation of church andstate.
I understand why that's inthere because you can't have
people being persecuted fortheir religious beliefs.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Right, right, you just can't.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
But the central idea, in fact, is that this country
was founded on Christianprinciples and we have to
remember that.
And if we keep going againstGod, then he's not going to
continue to bless us.
We've seen things in our pastwhere it's been clear like God

(42:47):
is trying to tell us that we arenot going in the direction
we're supposed to be going in.
And if we haven't learned by now, when are we going to learn?
If we haven't learned by now,when are we going to learn?
So you know that's what I wouldsay to anybody who has those

(43:08):
thoughts in their mind about,you know, retribution, and you
know we want to get after thesepeople as soon as we can, and
that's just not God's will.
It's just not.
And a lot of people willprobably be angry with me for
saying that, because they think,well, you're weak, because
you're not willing to go outthere and finally say enough is

(43:30):
enough and take action.
You know a lot of people wouldprobably say, well, that's just
because, yeah, you're a weakchristian, christian, you're not
tough enough to you know, getthe job done.
But that's not the right answer.
I will tell anybody that thatis not the right answer.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, you wait for the Lord to see what he's going
to do, what he wants done.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, that kind of reminded me.
Um, I read somewhere that saidyou know if, if tyler does
repent, you know and you knowgod can forgive him and you know
he will forgive him.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
But the actions that he took, like those, will still
continue to play out and affectothers and other things even
after he repents, if he everdoes, you know like yeah, yeah,
sin is sin and you know, onceit's out there, it's I mean
that's.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
That's the whole nature of our world well, we're
all living in sin, from the sinthat adam and eve yeah, that
first ones that stone, thatstone being thrown into the lake
, is still having its effectstoday.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's still going out, still yeah you know, um, that's
why you have to look at itevery time you think you're
gonna, and it could be justsomething very simple that you
think only affects you, but youdon't realize at the end of the
day, like how far it can go.
Yeah, because because it may,because it may withhold you from

(44:59):
being a better Christian, whichwill then withhold you from
going out seeking other people,helping other people.
Because, like I said, it couldbe something so insignificant
that you don't think it's muchof a problem.
You can handle your problem.
You know I got it, but a lot oftimes you don't realize it.
If it's holding you back andyou can't get out there and do

(45:20):
God's work, then you know,sometimes, if somebody's
throwing that stone into thelake, you can reach your hand
out and catch it before it hitsthe water.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
If you're out there.
Prepared, prepared, if you'reout there doing the work, if
you're out there, speaking topeople, you might prevent that
person from throwing that stonein the lake.
Speaking to people, you mightprevent that person from
throwing that stone in the lake.
But if you're not, then yeah,you just that's all the more.

(46:01):
You know people that are notbeing led to Christ, which is
why I think you know that, tylerRobinson that's why he's in the
place he's in in the firstplace is because no, nobody was
leading him to christ.
He wasn't either willing or ableto listen, um, and started
listening to another voice, andthat's just the reality of it.
If he was listening to godtruly with a word, he wouldn't,
he wouldn't be in this positionright now.
It's just the way it is.
But oftentimes we just, like Isaid, especially in young people

(46:23):
you get so caught up in, youknow, the world around you and
other people and you can.
You know it's cliche to say,but you can get in with the
wrong people Before you know it.
You know you're already lookingfor something and you think you
found it.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And some of these causes and some of these
situations and it can for ayoung person.
It can leave an imprint veryquickly and change somebody's
course, and I think that was,you know, charlie's mission is
he was trying to get a lot ofthese young people, these
college kids to come to Christearly.

(47:01):
He wanted to get the idea intheir head that what God wants
for you is to go out, have afamily.
You know, build that family.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Feel that love from that family.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
That security and that purpose.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Because I mean they say all the time, you don't know
love until you have your ownfamily, and it's so true.
And Because I mean they say allthe time, you don't know love
until you have your own family.
And it's so true.
And these young kids don'trealize that and they're never
going to realize it until theyhave their own family.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You know, and it's like saying you know it's easy
to take it for granted beingyoung, yeah, so this is not a
like.
I'm not again, I'm not talkingdown to young kids, but you can
take a lot for granted whenyou're a kid, when you've
perhaps you've had it good yourwhole life and haven't really

(47:48):
experienced much trouble oranxiety, and that's a good thing
.
But at the same time, you knowyoung people do need to realize
that you can't you know youcan't sit on your phone for 12
hours a day, bed rotting.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's become a new term.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Bed rotting Bed rotting.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Somebody that stays just on their phone for 10 plus
hours a day just surfing socialmedia.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Earl, earl, earl, url Remember.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
I'm thinking what's he talking about?
Now, I got it, oh man.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
So that's what Charlie was trying to do.
He was just trying to get theseyoung people right out of
college to decide that, yeah,you want to believe in God, you
want to go out and you want tostart a family.
Be productive, god.
You want to go out and you wantto start a family, be
productive.

(48:50):
Don't let foolish things youknow, like drinking and drugs
and all these things to set youback and keep you from your true
purpose.
And the amazing thing is he didit.
I mean the work that he wasable to accomplish.
Have that leadership, whichcomes to the next important part
of this whole thing is we can'tlet this stop us from our

(49:13):
purpose.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, right, yeah, and that is you do seriously

(49:50):
wonder if there is a group ofpeople in this country that
truly want evil to persist.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Well, you know that's true, and so then you have to
think okay, so what are?
we supposed to do, then we dohave to stand up and fight these
people.
We do have to stand up for God.
We can't just lay back and letthese people continue to do this
, but I think the idea is, youknow, we can't do it by their

(50:18):
means.
If they were willing to go outand kill this man to serve their
purpose, well, obviously itdidn't work.
I think we've already seen thatthat wasn't the answer to that.
The best thing that we can dois continue to do what Charlie
was going to continue to do, andthat's reach people from a

(50:39):
young age or people that havenever thought about Christ
before, actually see Christ forwho he truly is, and get these
people to follow him, becausethe more people in this country
that we have that arechurch-based, that have a family
, that's what's going to destroywhatever group of people.

(51:01):
This is because then we'regoing to be too strong for them
to survive.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
You know we're going to squeeze them out.
They're just not going to beable to survive in a society
that is church based familybased.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
You know, they'll just be weeded out very quickly
and that movement will die.
It just will.
But if we start the violence,if we start learning from them,
we're always going to be doingthis, it's always going to be
even and we're never going tosee an end to it.
So that that's where we have tobe as a society is willing to

(51:42):
say that we are going to be inthe majority and no matter how,
you know, no matter how how manypeople get lost and and these
other ideas, you know it's, itcan't survive and god will
continue to bless us.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I just wish they knew why we were trying so hard.
We're trying to win your heartsover Dang it.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You know what I mean.
We're not trying to make yourlife, I'm not trying to shove my
belief system down your throat.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I care about you.
I've got a cousin.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
And I can have this conversation with her.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
We can be civil and she'll message me and she's
worried about her sister becauseher sister is a Christian and
she's 17.
Her sister is and she's likeSid, I want you to look out for
her because I know you're quoteone of the good ones.
I'm like wait what?
Say that one more time.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I must be one of the bad ones, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
And I'm one of the good ones as far as the
Christians around this area areand she's like I just don't want
her being caught up indifferent crowds and she thinks
a lot of things are very culty.
Things are very culty andhonestly I don't know where she

(53:00):
gets these feelings that are sostrong, because I know her
upbringing Not all of it, Idon't know what went on and
closed doors all the time, but Iwas pretty close with her
growing up.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
And I just don't know what went wrong.
But the thing is, I think weunderestimate the power of the
social media.
What went wrong, but the thingis, I think we underestimate the
power of the social media weunderestimate the power of a
celebrity that can have such astrong impression on a young
mind.
Yeah, and I mean and to be fair, because you get to the ages of
13 and 14 where kids, theyinstinctively want to rebel in

(53:37):
some form against their parentsand their upbringing.
It's just, it's almost likeagain, it's the sin of the earth
.
I don't know if it's science,what it is, but it just seems to
be that you know, kids can.
They want to lose a part oftheir dependence on their
parents and they want to do iton their own and come up with
their own ideas.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
And so it's very easy and and maybe that media.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
It's just they can't again, they can't get away from
it yeah, and honestly that couldbe very true with her, because
yeah I mean I do see that she.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
You know, I've said it, I've said it before for me,
I'm I'm thankful that when I was10, I was listening to man in
the Mirror by Michael Jackson.
Yeah yeah, like that's who Igrew up with and yeah, he could
sing songs about love and thisor that, but he always had those

(54:32):
songs about humanity and whatwe were supposed to be doing and
how we're supposed to betreating each other humanity and
what we were supposed to bedoing and how we're supposed to
be treating each other.
And so we grew up with that ideaof it because we're young and
impressionable and we all lookedup to him?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, so if he says it.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
it's got to be true, yeah.
It's got to be true, but I thinkhe he understood the
responsibility that he had onyoung people and for his power
of his celebrity and who he wasin trying to inspire people.
He understood that we don't seethat right now.
I don't think in music andcelebrities.

(55:11):
I don't think we see any ofthat.
It's very different.
Most of the young musicians andtheir songs I don't even know
what they're about, I'll behonest with you, but it's
nothing good.
They're never trying to, Ithink, be a true role model for
younger people.
I think they're selling as muchgarbage as they can and trying

(55:35):
to be as impressionable as theycan and they're trying to shock
as many people as they can.
And that's where it's gotten to.
It's not even about the craftanymore and the art of it Right
yeah.
It's just what can we do next toupset people or push the
envelope.
Yeah, or headline and outdo thenext person and they don't
realize how much of an effect ithas on these young kids,

(55:56):
especially young females.
I think right now I think theyoung females probably are
getting more impression thananybody right now.
You know, female artists andmusicians right now it's not
good.
You know we had Madonna, buteven then it was kind of like,
yeah, madonna even still wouldsing something that you could

(56:20):
tell was meaningful, or so shepushed the envelope, but it's
still not the same.
I mean now it's just like everysingle artist is, it's all
sexual based, it just is it'sall, from their image to all the
songs that they sing.
It's all sexual based.
And when they sing it's allsexual based.
And when they sing it, it'slike they have no feeling about

(56:44):
it at all.
Yeah, about the.
It's not like the love songs wehad in the 80s and the 90s.
It doesn't even mirror that atall.
It's like they do not care aboutthe emotions of the other
people at all, and unlessthey're trying to push these

(57:04):
agendas yeah and then you cansee that, wow, they're really
trying to, you know, push thesecertain agendas that again also
aren't good for for young people.
So it's just I get it how a kidcan get very quickly wrapped up
in in all these things.
I mean because, like I said, atleast we could shut the tv off

(57:26):
and go outside and play, or ourparents force us to shut it off
right right um, but now theyjust can't get away from it no,
it's always in their hand, yeah,even our school systems.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
They're all using computers, ipads, this and that
their brain is not working theway it's supposed to work at
that young age?

Speaker 3 (57:45):
it's not.
It's not working to findanswers yeah to seek things.
It's just all being just yeahpoured on them.
Yeah, and most of it's justsuch useless information.
But, like I said, their brainwhen I said bed rotting, that's
what they're doing.
Their brain is not.
It's not even functioningproperly, it's on autopilot.

(58:07):
Yeah, like they're looking atall this stuff, but they're not
exercising their brain.
It's just, you know, and that'swhat's happening.
You know they're getting in'regetting in, that.
I think that's.
It gets to the point where theycan't make their own decisions
because their brain's notworking that way.
It's not working independently,so how could their brain come

(58:29):
up with independent decisions?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
It just can't, because the brain doesn't
operate that way.
And when you start that young,guess what the brain is?
That's the way the braindevelops by learning, by
approaching, by seeking yeah.
But they're taking that allaway from them to where their
brain is just on autopilot allthe time and they'll they just.
It's just an infinite amount ofjust knowledge that they don't

(58:55):
know it's kindof just like remember when, back
in the old days, roger, whenthe tv would like remember when
the tv would just kind of like,and then you had to get up and
adjust the rotor.
Yeah, yeah but that's what Ithink, that's what their brain
is.
Yeah, it's just.
It's just on that channeloscillating yeah, yeah, you just
can't get it off now, yeah youtalk about.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You know kids, I know the kid's not really knowing
anything.
I took a test Monday and thisis from our government and there
were 60 questions.
I was kind of impressed at theend.

(59:34):
But they said would youconsider being a dance
instructor?
Not lightly.
Would you proofread a play?
Not lightly, would you?
What was?

(59:54):
Oh, there were 60 questions.
What was?
Oh, there were 60 questions andeach one of them it was oh, I
should have took a picture of it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Was it like a survey?
No, like I would somewhat do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Or it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I would really do this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It was absolutely not Okay.
Dislike, don't know.
Yeah, yes, Absolutely butdislike, don't know.
Yes, and maybe it was multipleand this was from our government
, Absolutely worthless.

(01:00:32):
But I was kind of impressedbecause they give you a little
pie chart at the end.
Oh, and I'm pretty well rounded, All of the all of the I know
what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I know what you mean Like if you would be a creative
creative writer uh uh, uh uh.
Edit a book Good with yourhands.
Yeah, Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And the my.
I was pretty impressed with mypie chart, but I mean it was
pretty dumb.
I mean, what's a 75-year-oldguy want to go out and do a book
or learn dance instructor?

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
I want to see your dance moves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Dancing with the Stars started last night.
You could start watching thatand take some tips.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Next time you see my wife, ask her about my dance
pupils.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Okay, I will your dance pupils.
Yes, are they the dogs?

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
No no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Some of those stupid reels and there'll be an old
lady dancing.
You know really really well.
She thought she was dancing.
My wife will follow, honey,come here.
I said what she says look atthis.
I said oh.
She says is this one of yourpupils?
I said yeah, she was first inher class.

(01:02:16):
As soon as I read that questionI thought okay sure.
No, but it was.
I mean, and going back to youknow the kids in that school
it's there's, they don't thinkabout anything.

(01:02:36):
You know they don't think aboutanything.
And why in the world would thegovernment give you this test?
Because it's the dumbest testin the world.
But the worst part is,supposedly some intelligent

(01:02:59):
person made this test up.
I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I thought it was useful yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Now this has really got to be useful in our society.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
We're really going to figure it out, yeah.
It's almost like the ASVAB test, like testing you on your, not
on your skills.
It wouldn't test you on yourskills.
It wouldn't test you on yourskills, it would almost test you
on your personality.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You know?
Yeah, but this should have beentesting you on your skills.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Not your.
You weren't at the unemploymentoffice, were you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I played the fifth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
How did you guess that would make sense?
It just hit me.
Like they're going to say, ohwell, yeah, we have this dance
class.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
They need an instructor.
They need to start right away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I can do the moonwalk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Well, I'm going to try to get us back on track.
I'll try.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
What were you going to say?
You can moonwalk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
No, do you know who invented the dance, the worm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Gene Kelly?
I don't know, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
It was a mechanic.
They were crawling underneathof a truck in the mud and they
had to worm underneath the truckso they could get to it to work
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I'm sure it wasn't a dance move at first.
I'm sure he was just liketrying to get in to work on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
But then some state employees saw him and said, wow,
that would be a great dancemove.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Can we trademark it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Meanwhile go ahead Sid.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Okay, all right Rippling effect.
So I was looking up someRippling effect Rippling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Rippling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Rippling effect of sin.
Oh, okay, yeah, okay.
Rippling, rippling, ripplingeffect of sin.
Oh, okay, yeah, okay.
So I looked up to see if we hadany scriptures to base it off
of and I found exodus 34.
We'll start at seven.
I lavish unfailing love to athousand generations.
I forgive inequity, rebellion,and, but I do not excuse the

(01:05:18):
guilty.
I lay the sins of the parentsupon their children and
grandchildren.
The entire family is affected,even children in the third and
fourth generations.
To piggyback off of that, thereis actually a study now that is
proving that it's was it Echo,epigenetics is what it is, and

(01:05:41):
it's, um, basically, they had agood example stating like people
, um, it would be someone'sgreat, great grandchild of the
holocaust, like a, like asurvivor, they are having dreams
of these concentration campsand you know, all this, wow, all

(01:06:04):
this going on, when they'vethey've never been there,
they've never, you know, seenthis real life, nothing, but
this is literally in their dna.
So it's like, and it almostalso piggybacks off of, like the
generational trauma, like youcan break those generational
curses and it's like the fasteryou do it, the better it is

(01:06:25):
going to be for your family.
Like it, I mean it's.
It's like if.
If no one believes the bibleper se, like this exodus verse,
look at the scientific studiesthat are saying so.
You know like yeah, it'sliterally embedded in your dna
what if you don't know the cursethough?

(01:06:46):
if you don't know the curse,yeah you don't know the source
of the original well, I mean, Ithink you can still break it if
you don't know the source well,I think what he's trying to say
is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I mean, by following the Lord, you don't necessarily
have to know the details.
Right but you do have to atsome point say yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Enough is enough.
I'm going to follow the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I'm going to you know .
Yeah, yeah, I think that's Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Thank you yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yeah.
Because if you, just ifgeneration after generation
keeps accepting and being aproduct of their environment,
the same sin the same problemsthat we're having, you know, the
same retribution and revengeand all of those things, if we
keep on just doing it over andover and over.
Which is why I always say youknow, a lot of people are like
history is dumb, it's boring,yeah, well, guess what?

(01:07:36):
Everybody needs to know wherethey came from.
Yeah, yep, it's boring, yeah,well, guess what?
Everybody needs to know wherethey came from, yeah, and if you
don't want to repeat the samemistakes, then you need to know
where you came from and what'sgone before you.
So that's another point to itis, as a country, we have to
realize when we've done thingswrong, when we've made mistakes,
we have to be willing to admitthose mistakes, learn from them

(01:07:58):
and move forward.
But, move forward in the waythat God would want us to.
But if we just keep on goingdown the same path, like she
said, generation aftergeneration after generation,
we'll have to pay the price.
We're passing, we pass it down,and that's again that ripple

(01:08:19):
effect.
We pass that sin down, and themore that we keep keep doing it,
we just keep passing it furtherand further and further, and
the only way to stop it is theway of the lord.
That's it, okay.
nothing else, no other gooddeeds, or trying to cover it up,
or you know come on toughing itout toughing it out, coming up
with a new system, trying toreplace the old system

(01:08:40):
politically, economically, allof those things yeah, we all
need those things, but if it'snot Christ centered, right.
It's you're going to have thesame.
Yeah, you're going to have thesame different different
situations Same same result.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
The same result, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Yeah, you're just, you're going to have, you know,
the same political you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
help me out here Garbage, garbage.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
You're just going to have just all the things that we
, you know, we think that ourgovernment's doing this and
doing that, and let's face it.
I mean, yeah, sure, there's alot.
I mean, yeah, sure, there's alot going on, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
A lot of useless information going out, yeah, and
some of it's being retained bypeople.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
And I think that's where all the problem starts, I
mean, you know me, I'll pointright back to the Civil War.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
We fought that war for four years and God showed
his hand.
And you know, through Lincoln,if we want to keep on fighting
this war and you want to keep onhonoring this sin which is
slavery, then this war will goon until every lash has been

(01:10:01):
paid back and you want to keepon honoring the sin which is
slavery then this war will go onuntil every lash has been paid
back.
Yeah, it's the way that it'sgoing to go, and we end that war
and we think we're going tohonor God and we're going to do
the right thing.
And what do we do?
We go right into segregation.
We go right in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
We didn't honor it at all.
We just tried to come up with anew way to keep the old system.
Yeah, we just changed the sin,but still the same outlet
outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
So it's like after 700,000 deaths we still can't
get it Like this is wrong, likethe way we treat people is wrong
, Racial inequality is wrong,all of these things Can't get it
.
After 700,000 people are wipedaway, and their generation.
Now you couldn't walk into anysmall town and didn't know

(01:10:48):
somebody that had lost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
You know a brother, a father, a son, you know
multiples.
Just that's hard for us tofathom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
But it's true, and to think that we came out of that
and didn't learn much and triedto come up with this new and let
it happen.
You know, there were plenty ofgood people that just let it
happen Out of what.
We're going to compromise thisagain, mm-hmm, so that we don't

(01:11:21):
fall back into another civil war, so we don't have to have this
argument anymore, uh, becausethere might be, uh, some profit
to be made from it.
Whatever it was, it was like wedidn't we didn't really solve
the problem you know, justchanged it.
we just changed the name.
You know, a slave became asharecropper, and actually it

(01:11:43):
not only affected AfricanAmericans, but white people
became sharecroppers as well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
And they were pretty much a slave to that system.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
They were kept poor by that system.
We didn't learn and we couldpoint to so many different
things.
Like we're not learning.
You know, god has showed hishand, I don't know how many
times, and we're just like well,but wait, we got another way,
just let us try it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, this is going to be better.
Yeah, this is gonna be better.
Just give us some time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Just you know, everybody will profit from this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
It'll keep everybody it's almost like we look at it
as oh, everyone will profit forit.
Yeah, right now Are we lookinglike how is the future going to
profit for it?
How is society going to stillprofit off of this plan after
all the changes in the nextupcoming 100 years, all the
advances?
We need to think forward andahead this time around, not in

(01:12:36):
the now.
In the now and forward.
That way our generations willbe okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
You know like I know dale had posted online.
I hope he doesn't mind mesaying this, but he's really
confused about some of theracial inequality.
How we can let you know.
He just doesn't understand howyou know if, if an af, if an
African American does something,that has one reaction if a
white person does something thathas a different reaction.

(01:13:05):
And he, he tried, he tries tosee things equal, but he still
just can't quite understand whyother people can't see it
equally.
I think, well, again it's it's.
It's that stone we threw in thelake long time ago.
That's, uh, the racialinequality and, uh, you know,
the racial hate and all thosethings.

(01:13:25):
It's an original sin that we'vestarted.
And guess what?
It continues to travel onbecause we refuse to do the
right thing yeah we refuse to doit.
Uh, but I would say to Dale, youknow, because I think one of
his questions is why still can'tpeople see African Americans as
equal?
And what I would say is youknow what, Dale, you're right,

(01:13:53):
we're all not.
We're all not equal.
Yeah, we can't, Because I wouldlook at somebody and say am I
equal to Ray Charles?
Right?
Absolutely not, Right.
Ray Charles is, above andbeyond, way more talented than
me, became way more successfulthan me.
Hank Aaron?
Am I equal to Hank Aaron?
Absolutely not, he is.

(01:14:15):
You know.
To me, he's just a fantastichuman being and everything that
he accomplished.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
So Sometimes the reality is it, and we're not
talking about the color of ourskin.
We're talking about the colorof our character and who we are.
It's like, yeah, hank Aaron, andhe's, you're're right, he's not
equal to the white man.
He's above them, a lot of whitemen, because of who he was,

(01:14:46):
what he had to go up against andall the things that he
accomplished, right.
So I don't know if that helps,but sometimes that's that's the
harsh reality of it is, if we'relooking for this total equality
, which I just I can't evenunderstand why we haven't
figured it out, why it's even anissue, I just, with all the,

(01:15:10):
with everything that we've seen,with all the proof that we have
, there should be no questionthat the color of somebody's
skin should, you know, preventyou from being equal to another
man, for any reason, absolutelyyeah because?
because, like I said you know,hank aaron may be the best

(01:15:30):
baseball player of all time, inmy opinion, not just because he
broke the home run record.
You look at his numbers, all ofthem, they're unbelievable,
they're just unbelievable.
And so it's like, yeah, you'reright, he is not equal to a lot
of the white baseball playersthat he played with, because
he's far and above those people.
Um, and to me, that puts it torest for all time.

(01:15:52):
I'm like nobody else got toexplain anything to me, like you
know, and he and that's thething he just didn't do it on
this even plane.
He did it with all these peopleagainst him that didn't want him
to be that great you know thatwe tried to hold him back and
tried to keep him out of themajors, all of those things.
So yeah they, he accomplishedall those great things in the

(01:16:12):
face of all this yeah uh, youknow, and it's just so.
I just wanted to say that today, if he's that, don't focus so
much on worrying about if peopleare ever going to get it, the
soul equal thing, cause guesswhat?
They're probably not not goingto see it in our lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
But you got to take it in your heart.
You were like you know what?
You're right.
No, sometimes the black man isnot equal to the white man
because he's greater.
Yeah, based based on you knowcharacter, I'm gonna say, and
what?

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
he's been able to accomplish in the face of
unfortunate things, yeah, and topiggyback off of the uh mlb,
like look at, look at the nflright now, like I don't know
what the percentage ofafrican-american players are,
but I mean at least, and I andI'm not comparing it, you know
but I think the nfl far greaterbecause of the african-americans
, like far greater, you know,honestly, no contest, honestly,

(01:17:12):
any professional sports really,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
But yeah, and it's not that athleticism has should
have.
Should have equal value, equalvalue.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
But the fact of the matter is, you don't just go, he
didn't just step up to theplate, start swinging a bat and
become the home run king.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
No, he had to work very hard at it and in the face
of opposition he had to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
So that tells me it's like no, no normal person, I
don't care how talented you are,could have done that.
It took somebody with a lot ofcourage, a lot of heart, a lot
of strength, determination, allthose things, all the things
that we value in a human being.
He displayed them all to get towhere he was.

(01:17:56):
So there's no excuse for thisidea that we're not equal, other
than to say you know what?
You're right.
We're all not equal, we're justnot but somebody instilled that
in him.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
So, as a child growing up and as parents, are
we lacking putting that in ourchildren?

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yes, we are, and sometimes it just comes down to
we're not pushing them hardenough anymore, we're not
pushing them towards God, we'renot having that structure.
We're just saying yeah,whatever you feel, you are okay,
you know, that's what you are.
That's not the job of a parentto do that.

(01:18:39):
One lady's like we need tolisten more to our children when
they speak.
We need to listen, Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Not.
Yeah, we need to listen to ourkids, sure listen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
When something's wrong, when they need comfort.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I think we need to listen and give them good
counsel.
Yes, good godly counsel.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Yeah, yeah, because I told everybody I said my
parents would have listened tome when I was 10.
I loved the Ninja Turtles.
I thought I was a Ninja Turtle.
Yeah, and if they had let me goto the hospital and tattoo my
skin green and put a surgicallyput a shell on my back, I would
have went.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
I would have went in a heartbeat You'd be knocking
people to get in line.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Cooper would be Spidey, not Spiderman Spidey,
which is the little guy yeah, goahead, cooper, jump off that
building get some webs embeddedinto your wrists try to jump
from that building to the otherbuilding.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
No, that's where we've gone wrong.
We need to instruct ourchildren and they need to listen
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
He needs to watch George of the Jungle find out
about jumping.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Yeah, looney Tunes.
Yeah, we had that one day.
Yes, made a foolish decision.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Last weekend she said I'm not going to go to church
with you anymore.
I said why my not going to goto church with you anymore?
I said why my mommy don't go tochurch.
I said well then I guess youwon't be staying all night with
Grandma on Saturday, will you?
Because if you're at Grandma'shouse on Sunday morning you're
going to church.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
And then you can't stay with me during the week
because you have school.
So I don't know when you'regoing to be able to stay with me
.
She thought a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
She said I'll go, I'd miss Adeline and Emerald, and
that is such a big part of it isthe fellowship that you grow up
with, which, going back toTaylor Robinson, you think, okay
, he obviously did not havewhatever fellowship was
necessary to keep him where hewas supposed to be, because, at
the end of the day, this kid's achild and, yeah, he's to blame

(01:20:46):
for the action.
But I truly believe that andthere's a lot of underlining you
know problems or things thathave, you know, gone unnoticed
or just, you know, being ledastray to the point where, yeah,
he wasn't listening to theright people, he didn't have the
right structure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
And it's you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
So, like I said, I don't look at him with hate.
I look at him with almostregret and empathy and a bit of
sadness that you know he didthat young has been placed in
that position.
Now I can't say, oh, justforgive him and let him free.
You know that's.
We can't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
You know, as a society, there does have to be
rules and structure and truejustice to things to be rules
and structure and and I in truejustice to things but, um, but
we can still.
We can still forgive him, yeah,because we we can.
We can look at this from thatperspective that, you know, we,

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we can pray not only for him butfor a lot of the other kids
that are that are experiencingthese same things, that may be
leading them to go out and dosomething similar.
This is not going to be thelast time we see something like
this.
Unfortunately, I don't think so.
Unfortunately, you see thatcopycat syndrome again, and it's

(01:22:10):
just the society that we'reliving in, and I think that all
goes back to the schoolshootings.
I mean, when we were young, wejust didn't see this type of
thing.
You never, as kids, we nevereven thought about such a thing.
And we had kids that we did notlike.
You know I don't want to usethe word hate, but you know we
just you know, you knew thatthat kid was a bad seed and you

(01:22:31):
knew he was going to pick on youor pick on your friend and yeah
, and kids could go to blowswith each other and just really
have it out.
But we never had that mindset.
It just didn't exist.
And you think, okay, so wheredoes that come from?
Does it just come from the factthat guns are more accessible?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
no, no, because they're going to find another
way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
My dad, my dad was an avid hunter when I was a kid
and there were probably at least10 or more guns in our home at
any given time, and I knew wherethey all were.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Exactly Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
But you know, I was brought up to respect them in
the first place.
I understood what they could dothe harm they could inflict and
for the true purposes of why weused them.
So it's not it's.
It's not a gun problem.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
So many of these things are not.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
No more than a fork is a problem a society problem
because somebody's fat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Right how much they choose to use that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Yeah, and what they're putting on that, for
Pastor Michael said it's a heartproblem.
It is 100% and what they'reputting on that board.
Pastor michael said it's aheart problem.
It is 100.
A lot of the things that we'reexperiencing it is a heart
problem.
It's just.
It's just that simple.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
And again, if you, if you understand god and and you
follow christ, you see, you cansee it and if you realize, hey,
my heart, like I, I'm numb to alot of things that I didn't used
to be numb to or I don't havefeelings about.
Go talk to somebody becausesomething is wrong.
You know, please go talk tosomebody, because you could be
the next shooter, and I don'twant that happening.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Yeah, like yeah, because I'm going to guess, I'm
just going to go out on a limbhere.
I think when he first did it,when he fired that shot and he
saw charlie go down, I bet youhe had a lot of satisfaction.
But I bet you, even before hegot off that roof and his feet
hit the ground, he had grits I'mguarantee everything out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Reality started sitting in well, I mean he said
he um was planning on going tograb the gun, and then it was
just like the other side of townwas just in a panic and very
crowded, so then he couldn't goback and get it, so like, yeah,
I'm sure his brain was just allover the place as soon as he did

(01:24:49):
it and wasn't thinking, hey, my, you know, I'm sure his plan
almost even went out the windowbecause his thoughts were like
yeah, all of a sudden it was.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
It's to me.
It's almost like the devilrevealed it to him as soon as it
happened, like here's what shereally did yeah, yeah you know,
here's what I got you to do yeah, yeah you know, like I said,
nobody's, nobody's come forwardto say, yeah, we helped you, we
helped him, sorry, no, they'regonna leave him unless they get
caught.
They're gonna leave him to takethe blame for it all.

(01:25:23):
Yeah yeah so yeah, it's just,yeah, it's.
It's hard to fathom being.
I can't imagine being in thatchild's place.
Just, you know, I saw his firstarraignment today and you just
look on his face, you, just, youknow whether he even still

(01:25:45):
thinks he did.
I don't know Whether he stillthinks he did the right thing or
, but your face doesn't looklike that, when you're proud,
when you can say that you'retruly at peace, you're proud
that you're happy, you don'tlook like that.
Yeah, you know.

(01:26:05):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
So even if he still thinks and somehow he did the
right thing, I guarantee youthat's not what his soul is
telling him.
Mm-mm I guarantee you that's notwhat his soul is telling him.
There's going to be a part ofhis soul that's just.
You know he's torn in two.
I just can't imagine being inthat position, knowing that you

(01:26:30):
had your whole life in front ofyou and that's the decision you
made, and you know that's justso unfortunate.
It's just so unfortunate.
But we cannot move forward anddo the right things if we look
at this in terms of retributionand revenge, absolutely not.

(01:26:52):
That ripple effect is just yeah, and that's a hard thing to
tell people.
People don't want to hear it.
People don't want to hear it.
You know if they, you know it'sjust, but we got to make them
hear it.
That's the thing we can't beafraid to say.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
That's the thing.
We can't be afraid to say thatthis is how you should really.
You know that you need to seekGod before you think about any
type of judgment or retributionor anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
I think through all this it's opened my eyes to my
walk with Christ.
You know, am I putting himfirst in everything I do?

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
in my life.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
Any decisions I make, do I seek counsel from him
first?
Yeah, you know.
Do the people I know outside ofthe church know that I follow
Christ Right?
Am I representing him the waythat he would expect to be
represented?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
be represented.
I think the glory when you'rewalking with Christ.
I think the glory of the Lordshines around you when you are
out in the world and people seethat.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I mean, I've had people smile at you or you have
no idea who they are.
You're just minding your ownbusiness, walking through the
store and they'll look at youand smile and nod or whatever.
So you know, they see whereyou're at with the Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Yeah, I know some people.
I'll be walking down a storeaisle or something and the
person looks miserable.
Or the person looks like theydon't really approach other
people looks miserable.
Or the person looks like theydon't really approach other
people, or you know, and youlook at them and at first you
think they're not going to smileback.
And then you, you smile, andthen they smile.
Yeah back at you and it kind ofalmost throws you off a little

(01:28:47):
bit because you think the personreally looks miserable or they
just think like you know nobodynotices that they needed that
smile then.
Yeah, so it's just such a simplething, like you said, that
people they probably walked pasteverybody else that kept their
head down or you know, lookedright past them and all you did
is look them in the eye andsmile and they can tell that

(01:29:10):
you're different.
You know that you're not justyou know and I don't know.
Maybe you know that you're notjust you know and I don't know,
maybe you know that that has itsown ripple effect.
Yeah, you know that that's kindof the counter to it all.
Is that?
You know, we, we need to be.
Um, I guess we need to bethrowing gummy bears in the lake
instead of rocks.
I don't know.
I don't know, somebody willhave to come up with something

(01:29:33):
smarter than that on the fly.
But it's just that.
That's the—I think it was RFKSr who said there has to be a
ripple of hope.
I think one of his famousspeeches was the ripple of hope,
and that's how we have tocounter that ripple of sin is we
have to put our own, you know,we have to put those, those

(01:29:55):
things out there and let themcarry on you know to have peace
and hope and understanding andand I think that's what christ
is expecting us to do throughthis yeah, he's no one us well,
and he's expecting us to beactive
exactly um, it's very easy.
I think it for this podcasteven.

(01:30:17):
It puts it even more inperspective for me, as, yeah, we
come here every week, we do ourthing, we put it online.
Great, we do it out of.
Are we doing it out of routine?
Um, I hope not, and then, afterthis, I think we can't do this
out of routine.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
No, which is, like some of the subjects that we
were discussing, back in thetext, you know, and there's the.
It's not the time to shy awayfrom these things?

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
No, we just can't pick a safe topic and make
people feel better and just keepdoing it every week and some of
the topics that need to bediscussed are the ones that will
reflect me directly.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
And if it affects you , it affects somebody else, yeah
.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
And that's a hard walk, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
But people need to hear those things.
We're not going to help anybodyjust by having these lofty
topics.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
That are just like oh yeah, we got through another
one.
It sounded good.
Yeah, sugarcoat everything.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yeah, that doesn't help anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Unicorns and butterflies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
I actually show the nonbelievers if they are
listening that hey, yeah, we dodeal with things and we are
trying to face them head on andtrying to encourage others
during the process.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
And we can invite somebody onto the show who does
have doubts, and we're notafraid of that.
We're not going.
Well, we can't put him onbecause he might not be a
Christian.
No, we probably need to getmore people in this chair that
are not Christians.
That would be, more useful overthe long run than than filling
the chair with with a believer,because we've already got them

(01:32:01):
right, that's easy yeah so weneed to be reaching out to
people that are having doubtsthat you know that are facing
those I see what you're doinghere.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Yeah, future charlie kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Well, it's just that idea and and that's what this
whole experience over the lastweek makes you see is that you
know there is, there is truepurpose in what we do, and no,
nobody's ever going to be aCharlie Kirk.
No, nobody's going to just comeand fill those shoes and be
able to do what he did.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
I mean, what he did was just yeah, you know, nobody
else can do that.
That's such a young age, youngage, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
But that doesn't mean what we're doing isn't
important, because we're allafter the same thing.
And yeah, he reached millionsand millions of people, but he
might not have reached your son.
Yeah, right, you know he mightnot have, because a lot of
people are like I don't evenknow who Charlie Kirk is and a
lot of people didn't know who hewas until he was killed.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
But they do now they do now.
And how many people is he stillreaching out to by their
searching out and watchingthings on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
or listening to him talk?

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Yeah, he will for all time, and they're like wow, wow
, you know.
Yeah, but we're doing the samething Now.

(01:33:30):
We're not on that level.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
We're not, and we may never be, but if we even just
get one person to consider it,to change their lives and do it,
then we've accomplished ourmission.
We didn't give up on it.
We didn't just do this for thesake of, oh hey, we're doing it
and that's just what it's put inperspective for me is that,
yeah, when I come in and do this, I do want to have true purpose
, I do want to reach more peopleand I want to do things that
you know aren't not always safe,not always, you know,
comfortable, but that we do talkabout things that people do

(01:33:51):
need to hear.
Yeah, and you can't, you can'twaffle around this idea of being
Christians.
We can't just be like, well, Iwant to be a Christian, but I
want to walk around withoutanybody knowing it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
I want to help people , but I don't want to do it in
the name of Jesus.
Yeah, I just want to helppeople.
You can't do that.
You just can't Because there'slet's face it.
Because there's, let's face it,there's too much at stake
exactly, yep because, as I said,I believe that there is this
war going on and it is beingfought and it's up to us to, you

(01:34:23):
know, rally as many people aswe can to our side.
But we're not going to do thatwith just good deeds alone, just
because I help an old ladyacross the street, because I
want to be a good person.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
Yeah great.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
It's a good thing, but it didn't do anything for
the kingdom yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
I don't know what you're talking about.
It kind of makes me think aboutyou know how, after the rapture
, how many people are going tobe left sitting on that pew?
Yeah, yeah, because theythought that they were doing
everything right, didn't you?
Yeah, but they really neverbroke down and had that personal
relationship with jesus christ,and it's not about perfection
and knew him on a one-on-one orhe knew them one-on-one.

(01:35:05):
Yeah, you know, he alreadyknows us one-on-one, he knows
what we're thinking we know, youknow, that little sin that we
think nobody else seen.
Guess who's seen it?
Yeah, the one we're accountableto, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Yep, like I said, we're not perfect, and that's
not.
We're not, we're not trying toreach that level of.
I mean, it'd be great if wecould all reach that level of
perfection, but that's not.
But that's not the importantthing.
Important thing is we getpeople to Christ.
We can work out the kinks later.
We get people to Christ, we canwork out the kinks later.

(01:35:36):
Exactly.
Everybody's going to keepworking.
That's what needs to be said.
No matter how long you've beendoing this, whether you've been
in the church your whole life oryou just started yesterday,
everybody's working.
If you're not working, then youbetter have somebody reveal
that to you.

(01:35:56):
That work's not over yet, youknow.
So you can never getcomfortable in your walk.
It's just.
That's not what.
It's not what we're here to doand so many things are at stake.
Our country itself is at stakeover this, and I truly believe
that we can look at the Bible.
How many times do God's peoplego back into slavery, you know,

(01:36:19):
get bought out by you know thenext superpower, and then they
get released once again, theyget their land back and it
happens to them all over againIn God's own people.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
By the sins of their fathers.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
By the sins of their fathers, by the sins of their
fathers, that ripple of sin havecreated a point.
Where are you?
How could you let yourself goback into slavery?
If you understand what slaveryis and how bad it is, how could
you ever let yourself get tothat point?
But people get complacent,people get think you know we've
done our work, you know we'vemade all the mistakes, you know

(01:36:57):
God.
Now God will just lay low andlet us be.
But life doesn't work that way.
So you know we have to, we haveto always be doing the work.
And I hey, next year is 250years that this country has
existed and we're just a baby.

(01:37:18):
We're just a baby compared toChina, to.
Russia to.
Britain to all these othersuperpowers that have come and
gone.
Egypt is gone, rome is gone,persian Empire is gone, and they
thought they would neverdisappear.
They thought they would ruleforever and we're just a baby.
Yeah, and it can be taken away.

(01:37:38):
And it can be taken away by thehand of God.
If he doesn't favor us, he'llfind somebody else to favor.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
So if we're falling and we're only going to do it by
, he's not going to make us doit, he's not going to take it
from us.
We're going to give it up.
We're going to fall out of thatfavor if we're not doing the
right things and seeking hiscounsel first, and that's the
job that every governmentofficial, I believe, has in this

(01:38:10):
country.
But it's clear that that's nothappening and perhaps it's never
happened.
Yes, we've had a few good men,I think, that have understood it
or grew to understand it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
I definitely think that with Lincoln he grew to
understand that God had his handin his work and what he was
doing.
But there's not a whole lot ofpeople that get to that point.
I think Martin Luther King Jrwas another one.
As he said, I've been to themountaintop, so if I don't, he
goes.
I'd love to live a long life, hesays, but I've been to the

(01:38:45):
mountaintop, so if it ends today, I know I've completed my
mission and I know I've you know, but there's not too many men
that can truly, I think, saythat in their hearts, that they
were trying to seek God in allthings, yeah, to do his will of
what's supposed to happen inthis country, and not just
what's best for profit you know,best for you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Themselves.
Yeah, power yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
You know all those things.
So it's still all in thebalance.
It can go either way and that'swhat a lot of young people have
to understand.
That's what we have to get ouryoung people to understand is
that it can go either way and,as I said last week, it's this
young generation that's going topay the price, the ripple
effect of the sin.
Like I'm 45.

(01:39:33):
Yeah, I could still see the theeffects, I could still
experience some of the effects,but it's not going to be rested
upon my shoulders because we allknow when people go to war,
when things get terrible, it'sthe young people that generally
have to pay that price, andthat's that's what young people
need to understand is the thingsthat you're doing now may

(01:39:56):
affect your children, it mayaffect you.
I think about it with Maggieand her friends and her class.
It's like they're 14, they'refreshmen.
Who's to say, in four yearswe're not in a world war, and
her class is going to have to bethe one to be drafted and
answered for this ripple of sinthat we continue to just play

(01:40:20):
into.
So if we don't understand thatand we fall out of God's favor,
anything can happen.
Nothing is certain without God,without without god, which is
why I think a lot of you do seea lot of young people, so
restless, searching, searching,searching, and I see that in a

(01:40:42):
lot of young people that arefalling into these things that
are not of god's will, it's likeyou can tell they say that
they've identified themselves,but you can still, you can see
that just still searching,because they still want people
to accept them.
They still, you know, theystill want, uh, they just want

(01:41:02):
more.
They're always looking andlooking and looking, and they
realize that you don't have tolook that far.
You know you can tell whensomebody's I think uh, a
Christian, a Christian, becauseyou're not looking so much,
you're not searching andsearching and searching.
You found what you're lookingfor.
Yes, you still have to dealwith the problems of the world.

(01:41:24):
Yes, you still have to dealwith the events of your life and
the challenges that you face,but you know your feet's on good
ground and you're not searchinganymore for answers.
You know you, just you know youcan endure a lot more things
without having to try and go out.
and you know feeling lost andyou know, feeling like the whole

(01:41:45):
world's against you and keepyou, keep making the same
mistakes and you just can't everget.
You know, you just can't everget past it, you can't ever get
ahead.
Yeah, that's what has to beunderstood, I think, in young
people and where we are rightnow.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Yeah, I agree.
Anyone have any other thoughts,roger?

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
I'm good Any last dancing advice or you know.
You know, nick, I used to likewhat's the number one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
What's the number one ?
What's the most important thingin dancing?
What's the number one?
Rule Don't fall down.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Keep your feet moving yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeah, was her doing what she was supposed to or not?
Keep them moving, get her done.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Rib them.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I think you can apply that to life.
Just keep your feet moving.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah, that's the thing we all got to keep moving.
That's Just keep your feet.
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing weall got to keep moving.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
That's why I'm still going.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
I just keep my feet moving and God's pushing me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
He's actually holding me up now.
Before he was pushing me, nowhe's pushing me and holding me
up.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Well, Margie, she had to do the stress test, you know
, and they put you on thetreadmill.
Oh, the treadmill.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
And then you know how it goes up and up and up on the
incline and she's like, evenwhen she wasn't feeling well,
she's like I'm going to beatthis treadmill.

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
It was a challenge.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
And she's like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
So she texts me after .
She's like I beat thattreadmill and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
I'm like my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
You know just, and I'm like my goodness you know,
just uh, and of course the nursewas like you did really well,
and I and I tell her, I said youknow what I think it?
I think it's because when wewere kids we had to do that
physical fitness test in gym,uh-huh remember those like you
had to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
You had to do all those different skills.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I think.
I think that's why ourgeneration is different, because
we had to do those like kidstoday, that you don't have the
yeah which I think trump'strying to reinstate the
presidential.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
I had to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
You know challenge, but yeah, I think I made us
different kids because youdidn't want to be embarrassed
and not be able to yeah climbthe pegboard or the rope.

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
I don't remember any of this really well, president
kenny was.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
kennedy is the one who enacted that, so I would
assume that all kids from youshould know that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Did that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
I probably did, I just don't remember Probably
because, I didn't do well.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
Did you skip?

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
gym.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
Every opportunity I could.
I was that chubby girl.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
I had to take summer school or I wouldn't graduate
because I skipped gym and failedit.
So I had to go to summer school.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
What is going on?
We're wrapping up.
Michael's coming in yelling atus.
We were really wrapping up.
I promise I knew Roger wouldn'thave left without his next one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
He would.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Well, whose turn is it to pray?

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
It's Nick's, it's mine.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
It is Nick's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Okay, michael, if you got it in you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Lauren, thank you for letting us come here tonight so
we can express our love and ourgratitude and our exception of
your will.
Yes, thank you.
Always help us keep in mindthat, no matter what we are
doing, no matter how chaotic theworld gets, everything that
we're facing now as a community,as a country, that we look to

(01:45:37):
you first.
That always has to be our numberone priority and I pray that it
always is my first priority andI pray that everyone around
this table, will pick up thatsword as well and carry it, and
I just hope that anybody outthere is listening realizes that
you never have to be lost, younever have to question who you

(01:46:00):
are, you never have to besearching for anything else but
the heart of God, and we justlove you, we just appreciate
everything that you do for usevery single day, and we're
always, always looking for whatwe can do for your kingdom.
Next, I pray all these thingsin your precious name.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Amen Amen.

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