What Discernment Is & How To Use It

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We swap stories about moving worship into the gym and use that change to open a deeper talk on discernment—what it is, what it isn’t, and how Solomon’s prayer still shapes how we lead, speak, and listen. We keep it practical: separating emotion from wisdom, rooting in Scripture, and letting community and spiritual gifts be guided by truth and love.

• why the gym transformation tested our trust and imagination
• Solomon’s request for a discerning heart before wealth or power
• how drift happens when wisdom is not tended
• standing on Scripture in conflict without fueling outrage
• emotion versus discernment and the cost of online noise
• daily practices that grow wisdom: prayer, Scripture, worship, community
• testing teachings and gifts with biblical guardrails
• encouragement for anyone starting over with the Word
• the difference between checkbox faith and a seeking life

Episode Transcript

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Is it recording?

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It is recording.
We're on.
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This this is a recording.
Well, we're back.

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Well, for them, we're we're here.
Yeah, we're here for the firsttime.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
First time in a long time we're together again.
Together again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
We should have played that song.
Missed opportunities.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11):
Well, we're gonna need a tech team to do anything
besides hit play, really.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Yeah, we're doing good to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
We're gonna get that sponsorship one of these days.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24):
You know, we did forget to talk last week.
We forgot to talk, you know, um,about our our transition into
the gym.
That was so cool.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35):
I wasn't here for the for the unveiling for the
book.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
I wasn't either you were.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40):
Oh my gosh, you guys know I knew you were here.
No, I was in Florida.
Nick was going to be.
I was only here like half thetime because my sister decided
to get baptized across thefield.
So we left after worship.
But I will say it was prettycool.
Like we walked in and I wastalking, I don't remember who I

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was talking to.
Jenny and Lauren.
Jenny and Lauren, maybe.
I don't know.
But then I came back and Chasewas holding Cooper and he was
like, it was so funny becauseyou know, all the lights were
like pink and blue, and it wasdark, and Cooper was like just
like almost trying to feel thevibes out.
He's like, he was just trying tolike absorb it all thing.

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I'm like, yeah.
I I walked over and he was kindof finishing doing that, you
know.
But it was, I mean, it soundedgood.
And actually, I listened to umMichael's sermon later that
evening, and I thought it itdidn't echo.
I thought it sounded great.
Like, honestly, I mean, we mighthave to rearrange some chairs

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here if we get any newcomers.
We're gonna have to buy more.
That's what I thought, too.

SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
That's what he that's what he was saying.

SPEAKER_05 (02:49):
Yeah, I mean, I just a good thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
I was upset because I couldn't come.
Yeah, like I know.

SPEAKER_05 (02:54):
My grandma was like, Roger wasn't there.
I'm like, Oh yeah, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, I I I I started, I was partially
dressed, and it took me way toolong to get partially dressed,
and uh was all bent over, and Iwas like, I can't do this.

SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
I can't Yeah, Dawn sent me pictures.
It was just beautiful.
It was yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
Yeah, I was I was ups I was upset.
You know, as uh I've seen thelast twenty years.
That may have been the thirdtime I missed church other than
vacation.

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Which was only twice onvacation.

SPEAKER_03 (03:43):
Yeah, that's it was a big thing for me because I
kind of bucked Pastor Michael ona little bit every now and then.

SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
Yeah, it's just I don't know why you're doing
that.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
I uh I couldn't see the end.
I couldn't see the end.
I'm I'm that person though.
I can't see the end product.

SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
You're like my wife.

SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
I can't, you know, and then when it's done, I'm
like, Yeah, oh, you know, and umso I'm like, ah, you sure I just
don't, you know, I kind ofpushed back against him a little
bit on it.

SPEAKER_05 (04:13):
Yeah, but you weren't the only one.

SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
No, no, no, no, no, there was a there was others
that voiced their opinion.

SPEAKER_03 (04:19):
Yeah, and I mean I knew that he had a vision and it
would work, but I just couldn'tsee it.
I could never see it comingtogether as a sanctuary.
In my mind, it was always gonnabe the gym.

SPEAKER_05 (04:31):
See, I I seen it right away just because I was
thinking that plate that churchright beside us in New Point.
I'm like, I don't know.
I just thought that's where mybrain immediately went to when
he brought up, you know, broughtit up at first, and I was like,
Oh, I can't wait, you know.
And and anything he does redo,it always looks great.

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So I was like, Meh.

SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
Yeah, that I've learned to never doubt him.
Yeah.
Like whatever vision he has, itusually comes out just the way
that he envisioned it.
No, no, I might have been like,oh, well, what are we gonna do
now for a gym or for dodgeballor for the kitchen?
Or so I would think about thingslike that, but I had no doubt
that whatever his vision wasgonna be, it was gonna be big
and it was gonna be good, it wasgonna look great.

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Go big.

SPEAKER_03 (05:16):
And the fact that we're growing out of our
sanctuary now.
Yes.
You know, the previous one.

SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
So And we don't have funeral carpet.

unknown (05:26):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
Well, we still have it.

SPEAKER_05 (05:29):
Yeah, well Yeah, it's still in the village.

SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Yeah, but we Not now the kiddos have it.
But you know what?
That carpet will never ever wearout.

SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
We can shut the doors, we don't have to look at
it.

SPEAKER_02 (05:42):
But you know what would help to see all those
things better?
Discernment.

SPEAKER_03 (05:47):
Yeah.
You are exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
As my Bible defines it is the ability to discover or
to recognize And we recognizechange.

SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
And that's tough to do.
Yeah, but change and yeah, andchange very tough to do.
Sometimes change is good, andsometimes we don't think it's
good for it for us, but it'sgood for others.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
Just like, you know, we're well somebody told me a
long time ago they're like, ifthere's no pain, you're not
growing.

SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
Yeah, no pain, no gain.

SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
There's no growth without pain.
Unfortunately, that's part ofthe process.

SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (06:27):
But yep.

SPEAKER_00 (06:27):
It's like getting them molars in.

SPEAKER_06 (06:30):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (06:31):
Yeah.
Or them them little teeth.

SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
Little new new baby teeth Cooper's getting so you
know, and discernment has a lotto do with wisdom.
And last week talking aboutencouragement, in order to be
able to encourage, you have tohave that discernment and that
wisdom to encourage people.
Yes correctly.

SPEAKER_05 (06:53):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
Without that, uh, you're probably not going to be
the best leader if you don'thave discernment.
Um diving into this, I was inKings um looking at Solomon.
Um and if you know anythingabout Solomon, you know he's son
of David.

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And so when David passes, it'snot initially Solomon is not
supposed to be uh king.
Right.
Uh but he is eventually chosen,and in the moment of being
chosen, um it's and this is in,I believe, Kings 3, 3, 7.

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Uh he he he tells God, becausehe's very young at the time, and
he says, Now, O Lord my God, youhave made your servant king in
place of my father David, but Iam only a little child and do
not know how to carry out myduties.
Your servant is here among thepeople you have chosen, a great
people, too numerous to count ornumber.
So give your servant adiscerning heart to govern your

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people and to distinguishbetween right and wrong, for who
is able to govern this greatpeople of yours?
And of course the Lord waspleased that Solomon had asked
for this.
So God said to him, You haveasked for the death of your
enemies, but for discernment andadminister administering
justice.
I will do what you have asked, Iwill give you a wise and

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discerning heart, so that therewill never have been anyone like
you, nor will there ever be.
Moreover, I will give you whatyou have not asked for, both
riches and honor, so that inyour lifetime you will have no
equal among kings.
And if you walk in my ways andobey my statutes and commands,
as David your father did, I willgive you a long life.

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So God is very impressed, andand I think God believed that
Solomon was genuine when heasked for discernment, because
he gives Solomon everything heasked for and more, because
that's the true thing that heasked for.
He didn't ask for to have allthe riches, he didn't ask to
have all this power.
The main thing that he wantedwas that discernment to have

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that wisdom.
Uh now, unfortunately, if youkeep going with Solomon, you
will realize that he does, hedoes fall away from God in a lot
of ways.
His life is not perfect.
Um, I forget the it's uh thenumber of wives and concubines
he has was like 700 wives, andhow many concubines, and of

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course they were all fromdifferent religions, so they got
him to worship other gods andperform other rituals,
ceremonies, rituals, things likethat, uh, which God became very
angry about.
And Solomon would also starthandling his enemies almost in
the opposite way that God hadhoped he would.

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Uh so even, you know, and if youlook at Solomon who he was, he
was very intelligent.
He could do all these, uh, allthe all the things that he was
capable of doing.
Uh, he had all these greatskills, all these great talents.
Um, so he was known as a verywise, intelligent person.
Yeah.
But unfortunately, he fell awayfrom that discernment to lead

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other people in order to, Iwould say, read people to be on
the same level as other people,um, to where, yeah, to where his
people would feel encouraged.
Right.
You know, and and to feel thatdiscernment and learn from it.
Unfortunately, he did fall awayfrom that.
Um, but you know, God keeps hispromise to him.
Now he does tell Solomon that,okay, after you die, here's

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what's going to happen.
You know, the kingdom's going tobe split, all these things are
going to happen because youdidn't follow my word.
But he keeps his promise toSolomon that during his
lifetime, you know, he will bethe great king.
You know, he will honor all thethings that he promised him.
Um, so there's a lesson to belearned from Solomon's life,

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which, you know, his fatherDavid certainly had his own
challenges.
Um, certainly uh he also, youknow, did not always follow the
word of God in all his actions.
So there's a great lesson thereto be learned.
And I think about this too,because I know there's moments
in my life where I'veexperienced the same things.

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And I just think in order to bediscerning, no matter what
you're doing, if if you're aleader, if you're responsible
for other people, um, if you areto have a healthy family or a
healthy relationship withanybody, you always have to be
have that wisdom to know thatyou're standing on two feet,

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that you're always um you'realways going in the direction
that God would want you to go.
Because if you do come into andif you do get entangled with
people and have conflict, if youif you don't have your own two
feet to stand on in the word ofGod, knowing that you have the
wisdom, you're using the wisdomand that discernment, then it's

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very hard.
It's very hard to come out onthe winning side.
It's it's very hard to come out,you know, with your hell head
held high.
Um and you may not win thatargument, you may not bring the
right people to your side.
Uh and and you may, even thoughyou might not necessarily be the

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person in conflict, it it canthat conflict can from the
outside come come into yourlife, consume you, and get and
and pull you into it.
Right.
Instead of being able to standon your own two feet and be able
to say, well, no matter whatwhat else is happening around
me, I'm gonna be okay.

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You know, I'm gonna be able tostand on my own two feet because
I have that wisdom and that thatdiscernment that I'm following
what God wants me to do, notgetting caught up in you know,
as we talked about last week,the negativity, you know,
speaking that in in a negativetongue.
Uh that is the big part ofdiscernment for me that I think
is the most important, is thatyou and the only way to have

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that is to continue to be in theword of God.

SPEAKER_05 (13:24):
Yeah, is to continue to practice.
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (13:27):
The wisdom is not something that's just given to
you.
Yeah, and then you quit.
Yeah.
And then you quit learning, youquit reading the Bible, you
could quit following the word,like you've got it all figured
out.
You continually have to be inthe word.

SPEAKER_05 (13:38):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
And continually looking for that discernment for
more wisdom.

SPEAKER_05 (13:42):
And I think it's more than just being in the
word.
I think it's like we said lastweek, being around, you know,
other um Christian likefellowship, um, you know, just
being around a healthycommunity, um, and even I don't
I just the prayer, the yeah, Imean prayer, diving into the

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word, like a little bit ofalmost almost I'm almost like
looking at it almost as like thefull armor of God.
Like you got a little bit ofhere, a little bit of there, you
know.
And yeah, I mean you can get it,even like worshiping, you know,
maybe you'll have a revelationwith this song that has you know
a certain verse, like that givesyou discernment on something

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that's you're struggling withthat day or that season.

SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (14:33):
But um, I found the Latin word for discernment.

SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
Oh, here we go, school teacher.

SPEAKER_05 (14:41):
It means to separate.

SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
So it means to separate.

SPEAKER_05 (14:45):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so separate good fromevil, okay, truth from false,
wisdom from foolishness.
Foolness, foolishness.
Yes, thank you.
But I'm like, I wasn't expectingto separate, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (15:02):
But you know, well, and um of course Facebook right
now, since you know, no matterwhat side you stand on with this
whole Charlie Kurt, you know,with the assassination.
And and of course, you know, nowum the way I look at it is okay,
everybody has to go, we all haveto go back to our normal lives

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now.
It was this huge thing two,three weeks, and everybody was
real passionate, really excited,really on fire about what had
happened and whatever yourbeliefs are, you know, and and
he had and and we had thefuneral and all those things.
But now it's like now we allhave to go back to normal.
We all have to live our lives.
And and I think you know, somepeople are still riding on those

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emotions, whether you're angryabout it or you're confused
about it, or whether you thinkit's important, you don't think
it's important, uh, whether itlines up with your p political
views or not, maybe even yourreligious views.
Um I think some people are stillhanging on to the initial,
immediate emotions that they hadabout what happened.

unknown (16:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
And I think people need to understand that that is
not wisdom or discernment.

SPEAKER_05 (16:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
Emotion is not discernment.

SPEAKER_05 (16:22):
No, no.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
In any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_05 (16:26):
I think emotion gets in the way of discernment.

SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So it whatever feelings you'rehaving moving forward, when when
you see somebody, because youget so many people online that
will say negative things aboutCharlie Kirk, and the political
fire start, and the argumentskeep going, and people just keep
you know hammering away at it.
Um that's that's an emotionalreaction to what happened.

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That's that's not beingdiscerning.
There's no wisdom in that.
So I think people need tounderstand that what what
however you feel about it, yeah,you need to be going to the word
of God to figure out what whatyour opinion is.
Yeah.
Or or what you need to take awayfrom it.
Yeah, what you need to take awayfrom it.

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How you're how you're gonnaapply this to your life moving
forward, you need to always bein the word of God.
Because otherwise, if you'rejust if you're just spouting off
because you heard somebody saysomething negative, so now
you're gonna fire back at themand hope that something bad
happens to them or something badhappens to their family because
somebody said that Charlie Kirkdeserved it and is that's wrong.

SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
I mean, you may feel like you're in the right, but
that's absolutely the wrongapproach.
That is not discernment, that isnot wisdom, that is pure
emotion, and it will take younowhere.
It will it will bring you nofurther to the kingdom or bring
anybody else to it for thatmatter.
Yeah, you're not you're notgonna bring you might bring
people again, you might bringpeople to it for a while when

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when the fire's hot.

SPEAKER_05 (17:59):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
But again, we all have to go back to living our
own lives and things are gonnacalm down and you know, anger's
gonna dissipate.
What are you gonna have left?
Well, you just forget about it,and and you know, you didn't
learn anything from it.
Um there has to be discernment.

SPEAKER_05 (18:17):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
And I'm not just talking about this situation,
but in any situation that youdeal with.
You should always have belooking for the wisdom behind um
the problem or theconfrontation, or you know, you
need to think about what wouldGod have me do in this
situation?
Not what I think I have Ideserve to see happen.

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It doesn't matter what what youthink.
It's all about that wisdom anddiscernment.

SPEAKER_05 (18:47):
Yeah.
I think um like wasn't it thesixth sense that we describe it
as that months ago maybe?

SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
Or maybe if you keep going I'll remember.

SPEAKER_05 (19:04):
I think it was that maybe just um yeah, I don't I
don't remember.
But yeah, I mean it's justsomething that it should become
natural.
Yeah, and you're gonna it'sgonna grow, but like you have to
feed it for it to grow.
But you also have to protect it,like if you know, like if if
it's raining too much orsomething, like I don't know,

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pull back or you know what Imean, or if it needs some sun,
give it some sun, or you need toknow when to feed it.
And I think you need to feed itconstantly, and I think I think
a lot of people don't.
And I think a big part of thatis they're not getting in the
word to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (19:41):
Yeah, I I think a huge part of the conflict is
okay, I know I want to stand upfor God.
I want to stand up for the wordof God, and I want to be stand
up for all Christians.

SPEAKER_06 (19:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:51):
And I know that we're in a conflict with people
who are not Christians that havedifferent beliefs.
So how do you go about that?
Yeah.
How do you because your firstreaction would be was like,
well, we we need to be in heatedconflict with these people.
We need to be unforgiving, weneed to be, you know, all of
these things.
Um but that doesn't representconflict.

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No, but you have that conflictin your heart, it's very easy to
have that conflict in yourheart, like, okay, how do I
stand up for God without beingin conflict?
Like I I struggle with that.
Like, I want to be a peacefulperson without conflict.

SPEAKER_04 (20:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
But at some point, you may have to realize, like,
okay, this may be an inevitablethat there's going to be this
clash between the Christian andthe unchristian.

SPEAKER_05 (20:37):
Well, and honestly, I mean, that's what led to
Jesus' death.
You know what I mean?
Like, like it's not like I don'tthink we should try to avoid it
because it's yeah, it'sinevitable.
Like it's going to happen,whether we want it to or not.

SPEAKER_02 (20:50):
Like But how do we do that with discernment and and
in God's timing without, youknow, uh you know, tipping the
you know, the hourglass.
Yeah.
And and you know, making it, youknow, we're we're doing things
out of anger, we're just gonnasay retribution.

SPEAKER_05 (21:09):
I think we have to leave our emotions out of it.
We have to be logical, mature,be you know, sometimes bite your
tongue, think before we speak.
Like, yeah, you're allowed tospeak, but let's think before we
do.

SPEAKER_03 (21:22):
And is it aligning with God's word?

SPEAKER_05 (21:24):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (21:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (21:26):
Yeah.
And is it like is it somethingthat God would agree with?
Then okay.
Is it something that God woulddisagree with?

SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (21:35):
Then let's not.
Yeah, don't do it.
Like I think that's a good wayof looking at it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (21:42):
Yeah.
It's hard in in today's worldbecause no one wants to listen.

SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (21:50):
Everyone wants to be heard, but no one wants to
listen.

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
No, I know.
Yeah, everybody likes it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:54):
Everybody likes it.
Everybody wants their own talkshow.

SPEAKER_05 (21:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
But they don't want to bring any guests on.

SPEAKER_05 (21:59):
Yep.
Yeah.
They're one-sided.
They just want to talk incircles.

SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
One table, one chair, one microphone, and
that's it.
You know, they don't wantanybody else, anybody else that
has a comment that goes againstwhat they think.
They can they can't, you know,they can't discern.

SPEAKER_05 (22:17):
Um, Psalms 119-66.
I believe it is King David.
Um, teach me knowledge and goodjudgment, for I believe in your
commands.
Before I was afflicted, I wentastray, but now I obey your
word.
You are good, and what you do isgood, teach me your decrees.

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Um just trying to read ifthere's any more that I want to
do.
Yeah.
But I mean, even him justwriting it there that, like,
yeah, teach me right from wrong.
I want to better myself and tobetter your kingdom.
Like, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
I know I messed up.
Yeah.
I don't always want to be right.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (22:57):
I mean, sure, you always want to be right, but
again, that's your emotiontaking over.
Like, he's being humble and youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
I'm never right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Or it's kind of like that male point of view
sometimes, you know.
You always have instructions foreverything.
A lot of times, like, I don'tneed instructions.
I'll just together on my own.
Hour later.

SPEAKER_05 (23:16):
Like, where's that paper at?

SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
Been there, done that.

SPEAKER_05 (23:19):
Have you seen that picture going around Facebook
that's like me throwing the thecardboard box into the like I
don't need these instructions?
Me two minutes later pullingthem out because I forget what
to do next.
Like, yeah.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (23:32):
Yep.
You opened the box, okay, buteverything else is strung all
over the floor.

SPEAKER_05 (23:37):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (23:38):
Been there, done that.

SPEAKER_05 (23:39):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
Uh-huh.
I don't have to do it so muchanymore.
Yeah.
I don't have my little kids putstuff together.

SPEAKER_05 (23:48):
Uh I used to Chase doesn't even read the
instructions.
Like, I'll start read I'll startsomething and I read the
instructions.
It takes me a while, but thenhe's like, oh, just give me it.
And then what do you know?
We mess, you know, we we don'tknow till the end that we messed
up.
So then we gotta pull it allapart.

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
Hey, I did I I did that.
I did that here.

unknown (24:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
What was I putting oh oh I was putting the putting
the uh latte station together.
And I put everything, put acouple pieces on.
The next piece wouldn't fit.
Huh.
Oh, well, no wonder because thisone needs to be on this side and
this one needs to be on thatside.
So that was before I could seethough, too.

(24:31):
Yeah.
I'm using that as an excuse.
But it was a good one.
Yeah.
But yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Don't don't look at theinstructions.
Yeah, this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 (24:43):
Well, and I was about to say, I'm like, even
when I did look at theinstructions, I still messed
something up.
I'm like, care chase, just takeit.

SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
Usually I can't figure it out what the
instructions say.

SPEAKER_05 (24:54):
Sometimes they don't even have sometimes it's just a
picture.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I'm better off.
That drives me nuts.

SPEAKER_00 (25:00):
I'm better off with pictures.
All that reading.
I don't like it.

SPEAKER_05 (25:03):
Yeah, but I mean, give me a picture and give me a
sentence at the bottom.
I'm good, you know?
Or two sentences, not a fullparagraph, because then I my
brain can't comprehend all ofthat.

SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
Too many words.

SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
Just make a picture of the whole page.
Don't give me this little tinypicture, this little arrow that
I see.

SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
You need to get a magnifying glass so you can see
the see the number on it.
Okay, I need B13.

SPEAKER_04 (25:26):
Bingo! Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
I think discernment is something that you have to
continually, like you said, workat it and pray about.
Yeah.
Trust God's leading on it.

SPEAKER_05 (25:42):
Yeah, know that you're like you're not you
haven't made it, like you you'restill learning his discernment,
and you know, um you're not anyI mean, sure, there's more that
would be mature in it than babyChristians or something, but I
think you st constantly need tofeed into it and feed it because

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I mean the devil just keepsgetting trickier and trickier.

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
So well, and I believe it's a gift that God
gives you for your obedience,yes, being in the Word.
I agree.
You know, constantly seeking hisguidance and his wisdom.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
Well, and that's where you know everybody's like,
Well, what about you know?
It's like free will, yeah.
We have free will, but we havethe free will to look for his
wisdom.
Yes, yes, uh, you know, that'sup to us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know.

SPEAKER_05 (26:32):
Now, like we say all the time, like he's a gentleman.

SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Like, yeah, if you're not gonna knock on his
door, like he as in Matthew 7, 7through 8, uh Jesus says, Ask
and it will be given to you.
Yep.
Seek and you shall find.
Knock and the door will be opento you.
For everyone who asks receives.
He who seeks finds, and to himwho knocks, the door will be
open.

SPEAKER_03 (26:52):
Yes.
And I think you'renon-Christians when you I don't
know, a situation that just isnot right, and you know it's not
right, and you you know, feellike it's a discernment, and
they're like, Oh, you're justsuperstitious, or you know, they
don't understand.
Yeah.

(27:13):
Yeah.
And sometimes it's just it's noteven trying, it's it's not even
worth the battle sometimes tomake them understand because
they don't know where thebackground is.
Yeah.
To understand that.
And I mean you still need toshare Christ with them right
now.
Yes.
But you can't go throwingdiscernment out to them when

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they don't even know Christ.

SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
Yeah.
You can't start reading out ofthe textbook.

SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
No.
Yeah.
When you can't read.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:42):
That's pretty much kind of the way you look at it.
And I look at this like withthese kids today, like they like
history, like American history.
We don't, they're they're notlike they're right now, they're
not teaching like the revolutionin George Washington and up
through the civil war with likeAbraham Lincoln.
They're not even it's likethey're not even touching this
stuff.

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But then we want we want ourpeople to be patriotic.
And we want them to love theircountry and all these other
things.
Like, but you haven't even giventhem the wisdom and the history
to appreciate where they've comefrom and what they love.
So they they don't even theydon't even have the desire.
Like you said, you you could youcould give them all the history
and all the great things thatwere accomplished and talk about

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Washington and Jefferson andFranklin and and and they look
at you like that's stupidbecause they haven't been
brought up with any of thatwisdom.

SPEAKER_05 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Or that identity.

SPEAKER_05 (28:38):
They don't even I mean I'm gonna say this and I I
might ruffle some feathers, butlike Tyler Robinson, you know,
he's quite I don't know how old22?
So I'm 29, and that's sevenyears?
Yeah.
And I'll tell you, even betweenme and Shy, that's only two
years, and I there was a lot ofchanges in between just those

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two years as far as theschooling went.
So that's another five years ontop of that.
Like, I truly don't know howmuch patr, you know, patriotic
like symbols that they hadactually talked about growing
up.
Like, did he actually realizethat we are living in the
greatest country in you know inthe world?

SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
Like, yeah, I I don't think a lot of young
people do, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (29:20):
No, yeah, I really don't.
That's I just don't think theybut and I'm not giving him an
excuse whatsoever.
No, not you know, but I'm itmakes you wonder.

SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
It does.

SPEAKER_05 (29:31):
And yeah, it absolutely and I think for you
to bring that up is veryimportant because you do love
your country so much, but you'realso looking at both sides, you
know, you're you're being real,you know.

SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so yeah, it it all starts,you know, you have to be like
you said, it's you have to be inthe word, you have to you have
to have the wisdom comesdirectly from the word.
Yeah, I I know you said it, youknow, God gives that to us
naturally, but as you said, yougotta seek it.

SPEAKER_03 (30:03):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (30:04):
No, you just can't put your Bible away in a dusty
drawer and say, well, that'sgonna save me in 50 years
because it was in my top drawer.
You know, it's in every topdrawer of every hotel across
America.
But how many people actually getit out when they stay somewhere?

SPEAKER_05 (30:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:19):
Uh it doesn't do any good in that drawer.
So how could you possibly havethe wisdom of discernment if
you're never in the word?
It's impossible.
To me, yeah, that's that'simpossible.

SPEAKER_05 (30:30):
Well, and I I don't even think people realize what
discernment like I don't eventhink they realize it's even a
thing.
If they're not in the word, ifthey're not a Christian, like
maybe if they were a pastChristian or like an
ex-Christian, but so then likethey don't realize how much
they're missing out on.

SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (30:49):
You know?

SPEAKER_02 (30:50):
Yeah.
It's like it's like just havingyou know the key to everything.

SPEAKER_05 (30:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
And for whatever reason.
Or just having that winninglottery ticket, and you're like,
I'm not going to scratch it.
Just you're not going to scratchit.

SPEAKER_05 (31:03):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
I mean, now I guarantee you, if if we give
every single person ascratch-off lottery ticket,
every s I don't care what theirbeliefs are, where they came
from, they're going to scratchthat ticket.
Because they've got the hopethat they might win.
But the Bible, you set it rightin front of them.
How many people are going toopen it?
That's the sad part of it.

(31:27):
Maybe if you put a$50 bill inbetween.

SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
There's a$50 bill in there for a bookmark.

SPEAKER_02 (31:32):
Book of Kings, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's that's you're right.
They don't even know.

SPEAKER_05 (31:38):
No.
And that's a sad part.

SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
It is.

SPEAKER_05 (31:41):
And like you can't really tell, like we said, like,
not that you don't want to tellthem, because you do want to
tell them, but we also don'twant to scare them.
Like, hey, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
You know, I keep thinking about something you
said a couple weeks ago.
You're you were getting a littleexcited, and you're like, I just
can't understand why they can'tsee that all we're trying to do
is guide them and enlightenthem.
And yes, you know, yes.
And it's so frustrating.
It is.
Because they think we'reconstantly attacking them,
trying to, you know, uh takesomething away from them.

(32:11):
Yeah, it's like, no, we'retrying to give you a life.

SPEAKER_05 (32:12):
We're trying to give you life.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they don't see it like that.
Yeah.
And I mean, honestly, lookinginto it, sure, I can kind of see
that side.
But if they would at least, likehow you were just now, with
being not having a biasedopinion and being one, you know,

(32:33):
not just having both sides, justhaving an open mind on both of
it, hear me out type ofsituation, then they would they
could possibly know.

SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Yep.
But and I think sometimes whenJesus says, you know, love your
enemies, I think that's thepoint.
Is um even in the worst moments,instead of conflict, you still
should be trying to the lastminute to bring.

SPEAKER_05 (32:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
That should be that should be part of your uh belt
of truth.
Mm-hmm.
You know, your armor of God isthat you're still trying to reel
the enemy in to the good side.

SPEAKER_05 (33:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:09):
Till the last till there's no chance.

SPEAKER_05 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, especially because I mean we'll
we will like answer toeverything we've done.
And I I I keep thinkingsomething, I don't know, I don't
know if someone pictured it thisway, but it um I heard recently
someone must started picturingit as like you're going to
answer to everything, you know,or every soul that you could

(33:33):
possibly save or not save.
Like, at least you're gonna dietrying to reel this person in,
whether, you know, and at leastwhenever you do get up there,
he's gonna say, Hey, you tried,you know, you were blood, sweat,
and tears with this one, and butjust couldn't reach it, you
know.
Like you tried.

SPEAKER_00 (33:50):
Yep.
Some people were just toohard-headed.

SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
Or you might have just been the first C playing it
in that.
Right, right.
And it but it didn't, it didn'thit the mark.
But it might be somebody elsethat comes along ten years later
that says something verysimilar.
Mm-hmm.
And they're ready, but they'reready.
And it right.
And they may think back to, ohwell, yeah, ten years ago that I
can't remember the guy's name,but he he said something

(34:16):
similar, you know.
Um so you always have to thinkabout that part of it too.
Yes.
Sometimes it's it's a long workof process that you may never
see the fruits of.
Yep.
But that doesn't mean that youknow, it's like that is the when
the tree falls in the forest,does it make any does it make
noise?
Right.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (34:33):
You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
Yeah.
Um what else do I got?
I got uh oh, Philippians 1, 9through 11, Paul says, and this
is my prayer that your love mayabound more and more in
knowledge and depth of insight,so that you may be able to
discern what is best and may bepure and blameless until the day
of Christ, filled with the fruitof righteousness that comes

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through Jesus Christ onto theglory and praise of God.

SPEAKER_05 (35:08):
Does your Bible have the um definition of
discernment?

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (35:16):
Can you read it?

SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
Uh that was uh the ability to discover or
recognize.

SPEAKER_05 (35:22):
Okay.
Because they actually used theword right there and then
they're trying to pinpoint it.
That was Paul you said?

SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Yeah.
Well, I and the takeaway thereis just when you're not in the
Word of God, so many things somany things can look right.
They can feel right.
It's in your timing.
You can do a lot of things thatyou think, well, what's the big
deal?

SPEAKER_05 (35:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
You know, uh this feels right to me.
You know, it feels like theright moment.
Feels like something, it'ssomething I want to do,
something I should do.
But that that isn't still that'snot discerning because what
knowledge are you basing thatoff of?

SPEAKER_05 (36:15):
Your own Your own emotion?

SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
Uh intellect, your own uh yeah.
Or is it just something you wantto do?

SPEAKER_05 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a time.
Is it a dopamine kick thatyou're like, hey, that sounds
exciting, let's do it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
Yeah, let's go ahead and 37 mile walk.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (36:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
Or just do a 5K right on Thanksgiving Day.
Yeah.
That sounds like a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 (36:41):
Hey, I'm getting out of cooking though.
No one's gonna be asking me tocook anything.
No, they know better not to.

SPEAKER_00 (36:51):
I thought Chase was losing a little weight.
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 (36:54):
Starving him.

SPEAKER_02 (36:58):
Yes.
But yeah, you you have to.
I don't know.
You know, it's just I don'tknow.
It's kind of like even like whenyou're saying, like when you
went in that cave, Rock.
Like, yeah, I mean, that'ssometimes what not having
discernment is like.
It's yeah, you're feeling aroundin the dark with no flashlight
in a cave, and you're gonna bumpyour head, you're gonna trip

(37:19):
over a rock, you're gonna Andyou don't even realize you're in
a cave.

SPEAKER_05 (37:23):
Like you don't realize you're in a cave.

SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
Yeah, sometimes you're not even Or in that far.

SPEAKER_05 (37:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:27):
Yeah.
You have no idea how far into ityou are.
Right.
Or when you're gonna get out.

SPEAKER_04 (37:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
But there's always that light at the end of the
tunnel.
Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
Yeah, that's the discernment.
That little flicker of light outthere.
Sometimes that that's that's thediscernment that you need.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Um but yeah, it's just Yeah, it's funny now, but
it wasn't at the time.
At the time I was I wasfrightened.

SPEAKER_04 (37:57):
Yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
Uh especially when I beat my head off off the
ceiling.
Or of course it could have beena sign, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
Couldn't see.
My my thought is a lot of times,I because I know I think about
God all all day.
Like there's I'd say there's ahigh percentage, even when I'm
working in the midst of beingbusy, it's like I'm always
thinking about God, alwaysthinking about Jesus.
In one form or another, he'syeah, I can't think of a day

(38:27):
that goes by that he's not in mythoughts.
Yeah.
And I look at other peoplearound me and I think, how many
times does that person think ofChrist or think about what God
would want him to do?
Like never?
I mean, I assume that there'speople that when they get up in
the morning, they don't say aprayer, they don't ask for God's
wisdom, uh, you know, they don'task for his mercy, forgiveness,

(38:52):
uh, they don't ask him to walkwith them throughout the day.
And I think, is there peoplethat go every day, all day, and
never think about the word ofGod?

SPEAKER_06 (39:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:05):
But I think there is.
But to me, that's like I can't Ican't fathom that.
Yeah.
But sometimes I can watch peopleand be like, yeah, I I I could
guess that you haven't thoughtabout them at all today.

SPEAKER_00 (39:18):
No, you can you can tell by their actions or the way
the way they the way they act.

SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:23):
You know.

SPEAKER_02 (39:23):
I just uh so that that to me is is just so that's
a mystery to me.
It's curious to me.
When I when I think about it allthe time, it's like, okay, what
what level, what percentagelevel am I on to other people as
far as how much I think aboutGod?
No, do I want to give somepeople credit?
I'm hoping that they give itsome thought during their week

(39:45):
or during their day.
Yeah.
But a lot of times I'm I'm like,I don't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (39:51):
I think it's so neat just how he when he does give me
discernment, and I'm like, Ijust want to spread this with
everyone because I think it's socool.
Like you can get all theselittle Easter eggs throughout
the day, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (40:04):
Okay, an Easter egg is something we'll just take it
in a movie.
Yeah.
Okay.
So in a movie, say it's like uhsay you're watching a movie
about race cars or cars.

SPEAKER_00 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (40:20):
And then all of a sudden, you know what back to
the future is, right?
You know what back to the futureis, right?
Yeah.
The movie.
Yeah.
So you're in that movie that hasnothing to do with that, but
then all of a sudden you'll seethat DeLorean go across the
screen, or maybe it's just inthe corner somewhere sitting,
and it's got the out-of-timelicense plate on it.
So it's something that's setwithin this the the the set or

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the stage that you're supposedthat is not necessarily the
focus, but you're supposed tocatch it.
Like it's a little, it's anEaster egg to be like, oh, cool.
You know, if if you if you'repaying attention, you'll notice
these little like uh don't a lotof like the superhero movies
have them?
Yeah, they'll just have littlethings that if you're really
paying attention, you've watchedit more than once, you might be

(41:04):
like, oh hey.

SPEAKER_05 (41:05):
Yeah, it was uh you know and then I think like
Taylor Swift's new albums addthem.
I'm just trying to relate witheveryone.
I'm like, let me go superhero,let me go Taylor Swift, let me
No, don't go there.

SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
Don't get me started on it, please.

SPEAKER_06 (41:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (41:22):
All I want to say about that is because everybody
wants to argue with me.
All that girl is trying to do iskeep up with these with these
young girls and what they'redoing.
And she's to me, she wassupposed to be above that, she's
supposed to be an artist, andshe has instead of keeping the
integrity, she has decided that,well, if I can't beat them, I'm
gonna join them.

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Yeah, that's all I gotta sayabout it.

SPEAKER_05 (41:44):
And I don't I don't listen to her stuff.
I I my sister, well, kind of twoof them do a little bit.
So of course, Chai was askingCooper the other day, Cooper,
you gonna stay up till midnightand listen to Taylor Swift's new
album?
Like, no, I'm just not gonnastay up.
Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_03 (42:02):
Like, it better not be staying up.
Well, I have to say about Mondaymorning when I got up, my prayer
was God, you know, be my I wantto be your hands, I want to be
your feet.
Use me where you need me.
Yes.
And he did.
He's like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (42:22):
There are times when you're like, really, God, is
this real?

SPEAKER_05 (42:25):
And that's kind of what my response is.
Yeah, because your Monday wascrazy.
Yeah, like someone walkedaround.

SPEAKER_02 (42:30):
How does this fit into your plan?

SPEAKER_05 (42:32):
Yeah, you're like, all right, I asked for it, you
know.

SPEAKER_03 (42:34):
I'm just okay.
I'm gonna go with you.
I'm gonna go with it, and you'llshow me what I'm supposed to be
doing here.

SPEAKER_05 (42:39):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (42:40):
Sometimes I swear he's just like, Oh, we'll see
how much you really want.
Yeah.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (42:45):
I just kind of like, you have a sense of humor, don't
you?

SPEAKER_05 (42:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (42:47):
And he does.
You think this is funny?
That's the thing.
Like, I don't like there, peopleare they're not they're missing
out on it.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
Yeah, it's just a relationship that you know, you
just you can't have withanything else.

SPEAKER_05 (43:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
No, you just I'm sorry, you can't even have it
with your wife, you can't haveit with no you know, your your
siblings.

SPEAKER_05 (43:06):
Because most of the time it's not audible that you
hear from them.
You know, there are some certaincircumstances, but and I just
think the discernment is a hugecommunication part of it, of the
relationship, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
Yeah, it's like any other relationship.
I mean, you have it's yeah.
You have to have dialogue.
And more oftentimes you'resupposed to listen to him, not
he's not supposed to listen toyou.
I think sometimes that getsconfused.
Yes.
I mean, prayer is you know whatit is, and yes, you want God to
listen to you, you want him toanswer your prayers.
But at the end of the day, it'smore about you're listening to

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him.

SPEAKER_05 (43:43):
And sometimes he's gonna tell you something, and
you're like, What the heck am Isupposed to do with that?

SPEAKER_03 (43:47):
Yeah.
I'm actually doing a shortlittle Bible study on hearing
God's voice.
Oh, yeah?
No, it's been pretty good.
Because sometimes we just don'tgive him that opportunity.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
No, no, because we we get we keep talking and we
won't we don't shut up to and tolisten, take the time to listen.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
Or it's as we've did an episode on hearing the word
and receiving the word.
Right.
Two completely different things.
I hear you, but I'm gonna do itmy way in.
I got this going on today.
Yeah, we'll try that tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 (44:17):
End up in the trash can over here.
Well, God, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 (44:21):
Oh God, please get me out.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (44:23):
Well, and I told you.

SPEAKER_05 (44:25):
You know, it used to just be our flesh and like, oh,
I'm not gonna listen because I'mso stubborn and you know
hardheaded, but now it's like,well, we don't want to sit and
listen because everything inlife is so fast paced, and we
don't we don't need to listen toyou know, we don't have to wait
for anything else.
So what makes me want to waitfor this?
Well, you need to, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (44:44):
Well, that's a big tool of the enemy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 (44:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
So they don't have to wait for anything.

SPEAKER_05 (44:49):
So they're not gonna wait, they're not gonna wait on
the Lord because they ain't gottime.

SPEAKER_03 (44:55):
Yep.
Yep.
And he's a bad thief for me inthe mornings when I don't want
to get up, and I know I need toget up and spend my time in the
word and have time with God, andI'm like, Yeah, just one more
time, snoop.

SPEAKER_05 (45:07):
And then most of the time when you wake back up, you
feel worse than you did thefirst time.

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
Or now you're short on time.

SPEAKER_05 (45:13):
Yeah, and all the above.

SPEAKER_02 (45:14):
The anxiety starts.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:17):
Yeah.
Why didn't I get up?
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (45:22):
Um I think discernment is I don't know
where I was going with that.
Just it's confusing for thosewho don't understand or know the
Lord.
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (45:35):
Well, but it's again though, it's so common sense to
think that, okay, as you were,what'd you say, Roger?
You're a done employment office,and they're asking you all those
stupid questions like, can youdo this?
Can you do that?
Yeah.
It's like you can't go out andbe an ice skater or you know, go
on stage to perform theaterballet when you've never done

(46:00):
it.
You've never you don't have thewisdom to do it.
You don't know the first thingabout it.
I've seen it done.
So, yeah, you've seen it done.
We'll give it, yeah, but that'sgive it a whirl.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh that's not discernment.
Get into the swing of things.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:20):
But I think sometimes he gives us
discernments, and even at thattime, we don't understand what
he's telling us, but we knowit's just not right.
Shut your mouth, get away.
Yeah.
Don't, you know.
And we might not understand itat that time why he did that.
Yeah.
And down the road he will showus.

(46:41):
But I think that comes in towhere we have to learn to just
trust him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:45):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:46):
I mean, how many times as a mom we get that sick
to our stomach feeling and wejust know.
Yeah.
We just know, you know.
And we might not know why at thetime, but down the road we will.

SPEAKER_05 (46:59):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (47:09):
Well.
Where are we at?
We're at 46 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (47:12):
We're doing good.
We're doing good.
That's all the scripture I hadon that.
Like I really got into the uhSolomon.
I just found that all veryinteresting.
Um yet another great point tomake is you know, Solomon prays

(47:33):
for discernment, he gets it.
Then down the road, he doesn'tquite live up to what he's
learned.
And there's several harshlessons that come from that.
Yet through all that, God keepshis promise, and God continues
to use him.

(47:54):
So there's always that lessonbehind that no matter where
you're at, you know, it's a comeas you are type of thing.
That God can still use you nomatter where you've been, what
you've done, how long you'vebeen away, you know, whether
you've got tons of discernmentor not.
That's right.
If you pray for discernment andpray for wisdom, he'll start

(48:15):
using you right away.
He's not gonna wait, he's notgonna say, Well, you haven't put
any time in yet, so you know,I'm not gonna waste my time.
I'm gonna look for somebody morequalified.
If you're genuine in heart thatyou want that wisdom and
discernment, he'll start usingyou right away.
Or if you've left for a whileand come back, as soon as you
start praying for it again,well, you're you're right back,

(48:37):
you're right back on track.

SPEAKER_05 (48:38):
Yeah.
Like it's almost like you neverleft.

SPEAKER_02 (48:41):
Yeah.
So that's it, that's a thingthat people, well, it's a word
of encouragement, it's justpeople need to understand that,
yeah.
No matter what you've done, nomatter where you think you are
in life or you're not ready yet,how could the Lord possibly want
me or use me?
Well, he can.
You know, and you can you canyou discernment is not something

(49:02):
that comes with ageparticularly.
It comes from seeking it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:09):
You know, you can have you know if you're 50 years
old and you never cracked aBible, you you can get just as
much discernment as somebodywho's you know been listening to
it since they've been a smallchild.
Um it just depends on how muchyou seek, how much you want to
find, how much wisdom that youyou know that you're sincere uh

(49:32):
about pursuing, you can do that.
You know, there's nothing that'sthe thing, there's nothing
holding you back.
All the things that are holdingyou back are just the things we
talked about.
It's just all the other thingsin the world that will distract
you from actually opening thisbook.

SPEAKER_05 (49:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:46):
You know, and yeah, there's a lot of apps out there
that will be on one verse a day.
Okay, that's great.
That's positive.
But I don't think that's gonnahelp you with wisdom and
discernment.

SPEAKER_05 (50:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:03):
Because even in that, you're not seeking it.

SPEAKER_00 (50:05):
It's no, it's just there.

SPEAKER_02 (50:07):
It's just there, right?
It's giving you a chance.
And you'll you'll it's it's it'sa check in the box, as Pastor
Michael will say sometimes.
It's just a check in the box.
You're like, okay, yeah, I'mgonna start having my phone when
it wakes me up in the morning,it's gonna give me this Bible
verse.
Okay, that is positive.
There's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_05 (50:22):
Yeah, and then the next thing you know, you're not
even reading it.

SPEAKER_02 (50:24):
Yeah, but yeah, and you think that's good enough.
I've done my one verse fortoday, and that's what I'm
doing, and that's my New Year'sresolution, maybe.
Uh so I got it covered.
I'm good.
But that's not seeking, thatthat's not that's not
discernment.
That's just checking the box andsaying, well, okay.
That's might that might be alittle uh self-help,

(50:45):
self-approve.
Yeah, seriously.
But but I don't think that'swisdom, wisdom or discernment.

SPEAKER_03 (50:50):
One verse is not going to teach you or guide you.
You have to a lot of times readuh what's above it and what's
below it to be able tocomprehend what that one verse
is.

SPEAKER_00 (51:00):
Yeah, that one verse is.

SPEAKER_05 (51:02):
I wanted to take a spin on this since we are a four
square church.
Um a lot of the times you'vegot, you know, messages speaking
in tongues, and then someone isgoing to um interpret that.
Interpret that, and thensometimes you're gonna have
someone who interprets it wrong.

(51:23):
And someone's going to needdiscernment to to know, or or if
pastor didn't pick that up,someone's going to have to tell
him, hey, I've I got thisdiscernment, and that is not
what that word was supposed tobe.

SPEAKER_02 (51:37):
I've been seeing on my like just in my Facebook
feed.
Yeah.
Say Matthew 3, 11, whatever.
And I'll have this littlepassage.
And I'm like, I know that's notwhat that says.

SPEAKER_03 (51:46):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:48):
But all these people will think that's what it says.
And it doesn't, it's positive.
Sure.
It's a positive message.
Sure.
To make people feel good.

SPEAKER_05 (51:56):
Probably AI generated, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 (51:58):
But it's not the word.

SPEAKER_05 (52:00):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (52:01):
But people will think it is.

SPEAKER_05 (52:02):
Well, and like he like he keeps saying, he's like,
I think I'm just gonna come inhere one day and give you some
Bible verses that aren't eventhey're either gonna be twisted
or they're not Bible verses atall, and just see if you guys do
your homework because that isgoing to be a level of
discernment that we all need tobe ready for, because who knows
he might do it.

SPEAKER_03 (52:20):
Well, that's why I like to follow with my Bible.

SPEAKER_05 (52:23):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Um, but First Corinthians 12 10kind of speaks on this.
Um so it says he gives oneperson the power to perform
miracles and another to um theability to prophesy.
He gives someone else theability to discern whether a
message is from the spirit ofGod or from another spirit.

(52:47):
Still, another person is giventhe ability to speak in unknown
languages, speaking in tongues,while another is given the
ability to interpret what isbeing said.
So it's like when people aresaying that we're crazy because
we speak in tongues, and it'slike you I'm gonna be honest,
it's other church people.
You know, it's other differentchurches that are saying this.

(53:09):
The Bible says that this youknow, like so are you saying
that the Bible is wrong, iswrong?
Yeah, something to think about.
That that's that just alwaysgets to me right there because
I'm like, the Bible says thatit's you know it is biblical.
Exactly.
Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:30):
But that's what I've come to appreciate appreciate
about our church is you know,that's that's not my field.
Right.
At least so far, where I'm at inmy journey, yeah.
Speaking in tongues orinterpreting is not my field.

SPEAKER_05 (53:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:44):
But as the Bible says, you know, if you're a
teacher, be a teacher.
If you know, any of thosethings.
If you're a healer, be a healer.

SPEAKER_05 (53:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
So it's okay not to be, you don't have to be in all
those rooms.

SPEAKER_05 (53:56):
Yeah, you don't have to cross-trained.

SPEAKER_02 (53:57):
You're not, yeah, you're not cross-training here.
You don't have to fill out theentire resume and have all the
checks in the box.

SPEAKER_05 (54:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (54:04):
Uh but it's for me, it's like, okay, but I'm but I
understand that there are peoplethat that is their calling.
Yeah, it is what they'resupposed to do.
And so reading in the word, I'vebecome more comfortable with
that.
Where I don't think I would beable to discern that otherwise.
I would probably think the samething, like, wow, these people

(54:26):
are nuts.
Yeah.
You know.

SPEAKER_05 (54:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:29):
Uh, but it but it's because, yeah, I've read the
word, I know that it's in there,and so that I could say, okay,
well, it's not God hasn't calledme to do that as of yet.

SPEAKER_05 (54:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (54:39):
But don't mean it won't come.
But but I'm not going toquestion somebody else who is
doing that.
Yeah.
Um, you know, because it's like,yeah, that's what you said, it's
right there.

SPEAKER_05 (54:50):
Well, and honestly, you know, a lot of the things
that are in the old testament,you know, we don't so much
practice anymore because Jesuscan't, you know, kind of, but
this is the New Testament.
Like it's in First Corinthians,you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 (55:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yep.
But so you're right.
But and that, but that's a bigpart of discernment.
Yes.
Again, you either know the wordor you don't.

SPEAKER_05 (55:14):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (55:15):
And if you don't, well, guess what?
It's right there.
Yep.
And yeah, there's all the youknow, we last episode we read
all these translations andthey're a little bit different.

SPEAKER_04 (55:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:28):
But but uh but they're true.
Yeah, and like when you trickledown.
They're consistent.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're consistent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to realize I forget howmany languages was the Bible,
you know, translated into.
Originally.
Originally.

SPEAKER_00 (55:41):
Uh I don't know.
I should have brought thatbecause I've got but uh I've got
I've got a Bible in my in mytruck that's got uh like four
different translations in it.

SPEAKER_05 (55:52):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (55:54):
Plus the old testament, I have a Hebrew
Bible.

SPEAKER_05 (55:57):
Oh that's cool.
I like that.

SPEAKER_00 (56:00):
I mean it's yeah, because you need a magnifying
glass to read it.
But it's it's just it's just asmall, it's just small.

SPEAKER_04 (56:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:17):
It's kind of interesting you read like the
different translations, youknow.
See how they can they all prettymuch are the end, the end result
is the same.
Yeah.
It's just it's we just wordeddifferent.
Just oh, you know, we had whatgangrene and that one.

SPEAKER_05 (56:38):
Yeah, gangrene, poison.

SPEAKER_02 (56:40):
Poison cancer.

SPEAKER_00 (56:41):
Cancer, you know, infection.

SPEAKER_06 (56:43):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:44):
We all get it.
Yeah.
Yeah, it all does the samething.
Yeah.
It all comes out.
Yeah.
It'll all come out in the wash.

SPEAKER_03 (56:52):
I don't know.
When you were talking about thediscernment and knowing God's
word, and I don't know why itbrought come to my brain was um
the general the guy thatpreached that these people all
needed to drink the Kool-Aid todie.
Oh, Tim Jones.
Yeah, yes.
You know, had those people beenin their words.
Exactly.
They would have never fallen forthat prophecy.

(57:16):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (57:16):
Maybe I did did he write a Bible or something?
Or I think he wrote a book.

SPEAKER_03 (57:23):
I think he had them convinced that he was Christ
himself.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (57:25):
He targeted the lost.

SPEAKER_03 (57:27):
Mm-hmm.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (57:28):
The unwise, the unlearned.
You know, he targeted that groupof individuals that would fall
for it.
Yeah, that would be uh you knowprone to were vulnerable,
looking for something to believein.
Yep.
Um yeah, and he made them thinkhe was, like you say, pretty
much Christ's figure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:49):
But it's crazy.
He he murdered people too.
Yeah.
He murdered murdered the senatethat senator and and three
people that was with him.
Oh, that's not very Christ-liketo me.
I haven't thought of it.

SPEAKER_05 (58:01):
Well, when your brain washed.

SPEAKER_00 (58:03):
Well, yeah, but well, his brain must have really
been washed.

SPEAKER_05 (58:06):
Uh huh.

SPEAKER_00 (58:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (58:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
I don't think it was there.

SPEAKER_05 (58:09):
Well, that's what I was about to say.
I don't think of anything.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:11):
That's a phenomenon in itself for me.
It's always been hard tounderstand, you know, Charles
Manson getting them girls to doall that stuff and different
people, you know, David Koreshand all these.
It's like, how did you know, Idon't know.
It's hard to believe that therecould be people that could be
led that easily astray intosomething so twisted and dark
and that, you know, but theydon't usually like you said,

(58:35):
those people are targetingpeople that are vulnerable to
you know, that are lost, thatare that people that maybe have
run away from home, people thathave, you know, all different
types of things.
And you know, generally youknow, they're not that's the
thing, you don't want to befooled.
At any point in your life, youdon't want to be fooled.
And the only way not to befooled is to have discernment

(58:57):
from from the word of Goditself, not not from any other
source.

SPEAKER_06 (59:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:01):
Uh, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (59:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:03):
Just like I said, people are reading those
Facebook things thinking, okay,well, it's in Matthew.
It must be so.
It doesn't matter if it'spositive, it's still still not.

SPEAKER_03 (59:13):
There's been, and I don't remember what they were,
but a few things have popped up.
I'm like, I think that's notright.

SPEAKER_02 (59:18):
Yeah, I just and it took me a while.
Like I like I was I just kind ofwould go by them, and then also
I'm like, that's not in there.
Maybe it's similar, maybe it'sin the same, you know, but
that's not what it says.

SPEAKER_03 (59:33):
You know, or they've taken a little bit of this and a
little bit of that and put ittogether, and you're not getting
the full point because they'vealtered it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
And like you said, you're not reading the top or
the bottom.
They eliminated the highlights.
They just put the highlights in.
They didn't put the guts of themeat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The meat and potatoes of it.

SPEAKER_05 (59:57):
So eat your meat and potatoes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:00):
You gotta eat your veggies too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:01):
As they say, the wolf, the wolf can be in sheep's
clothes.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:05):
Um and you can't stay on the milk all your life.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:12):
Yeah, I I had that in there.
I didn't read that one.
Yeah.
No.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
I drink a glass of milk every night.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:20):
It's so refreshing that night.
It is.
I take a glass of milk.
I usually do the bowl of cereal.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I usually eat a bowl of cereal before I go to
bed.
Oh, well, I don't do it before Ithat's with with dinner, I have
a glass of milk.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:31):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:32):
No, I take it to bed with me.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:34):
I'll drink it right before I go up to bed.
I don't know why.
It's just so refreshing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:39):
Nice cold glass of milk.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
Oh, mine's usually warm by the time I'm drinking
it.
It's set on the nightstand.
Well, it started out when I hadheartburn all the time.
Then it just became a habit.
Habit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:51):
And I'm like, Well, I guess you could have you could
have a worst habit.
So I mean that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:56):
It might be 8 30 at night.
I'm like, Jervey, there's nomilk left.
You'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:01):
Does that seriously help with heartburn?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:03):
It does me sometimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:06):
Margie has heartburn sometimes, and I don't know if
she's ever tried that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:12):
Now my kick's I gave a big glass of oval teen.
Oh, I haven't had that inforever.
Oh.
Yeah.
At least once a day.
Well, like just I had it forbreakfast this morning.
Now I'm thinking of a Christmasstory.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:27):
Ovaltine?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:29):
Grummy commercial.
Drink more oval teen.
Well, it's a lot healthier thanNestle's Quick, which I love.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was always the big push.
Had chalked full of vitamins.
Mama mom approved.
Well, I always know it was anoval teen, though, it never
quite mixed right.
Like you still have stufffloating at the top.
I never liked that though.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
Oh well, that that's the chew.
That's the cereal.
The cereal.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:00):
That's the good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:02):
You can think that you're eating something rather
than just drinking.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:06):
I don't know.
I just swallowed those.
Now you go with the original orthe malt.
Oh, malt.
Gotta have the malt.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
Gotta have the malt.
Matter of fact, I just I justdowned my can today.
But I got a fresh can in thecupboard.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:22):
But is it still in a glass jar?
Or is it let's get serious.
It's like I remember last time Iseen it on the shelf, to be
honest.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:33):
It looks like a coffee can almost now.
Okay.

unknown (01:02:36):
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:37):
Well, it's not that big though.
I wish it was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:39):
No, not quite that big.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:40):
It's about as big as a uh it's smaller than a
mayonnaise jar.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:45):
Huh.
I got a big one.
I don't know where I got it at.
Walmart, I think it was prettynice side.
This big?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:53):
Maybe Sam's Club has it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:55):
Yeah, like the size of a Folger's can.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:59):
Well, I never seen that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:01):
Can you barely start laughing?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:05):
I'm disappointed now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:06):
I've never I've never just eaten spoonfuls of it
without milk as a kid.
Like I just eat spoon.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:13):
Now I can do that with peanut butter.
Oh yeah.
Same.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:16):
Same.
Oh yeah.
I do that in the I I get thepeanut butter jar out and get
the spoon out, and also the dogsare sitting there.
No, this is not your peanut, butthis is mine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:27):
I used to put the Nesquick powder on my ice cream.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:29):
Me too.
Cookie dough ice cream is thebest with it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:33):
It'll be all right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:34):
Yeah.
I still did.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:37):
Right on spoon it.
Just spoon it.
What, the Nesquit?
Nesquik or the Oval Teen.
Oh yeah.
I don't know.
I wouldn't do it now, but I usedto.
As a kid, you know.
Mom wasn't looking.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:55):
She said you had enough milk for today.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:59):
All right.
Any parting wisdom?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:06):
Drink more milk.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:09):
Got milk.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:10):
When you're reading the Bible, have a nice cool,
tall glass of oval tea.
There you go.
Yeah, there you go.
Everything will be just fine.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:19):
Yep.
Constantly eat on it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:23):
Chew on it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:24):
Chew on it.
There you go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:25):
On the little granule.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:29):
All right.
I guess I'll pray, right?
My turn?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:33):
It's up to you.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:34):
Okay.
Let's see.
All right.
Dear Heavenly Father, Lord, um,I just thank you for this
evening that we had together.
Um, you know, I just thank youthat we can all come with
different um aspects of ourtopics, Lord.
And um thank you for allowing usto continue this ministry um and
just reach anyone, you know,that's currently a member here

(01:04:59):
or a non-member, um, as well asinto the future.
Um, I just pray that, you know,this word does reach someone and
um, you know, impact theirheart.
And I just pray for travelmercies and in your name.
Amen.