June 12, 2025 • 48 mins
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, and if so, how does it manifest in your life? This question sparks an intriguing conversation where we navigate the profound yet personal journey of understanding the Holy Spirit. Joining us is our wonderful guest, Dawn, who shares her heartfelt perspective on how the Holy Spirit serves as a source of strength and resilience during life's challenges. We explore the idea of the Holy Spirit acting as our conscience, akin to a modern-day Jiminy Cricket, guiding us in decisions big and small. The discussion takes a thoughtful turn as we tackle the complexities of discerning our inner voice amidst the noise of daily life.
As we continue, the conversation shifts to the impact of modern entertainment on our spiritual well-being. We peel back the layers on how the content we consume—whether through TV shows or movies—can influence our thoughts, morals, and even our senses. The nuances of visual temptation are dissected, particularly how they differ between men and women, illuminating the importance of being mindful about our media choices. Together, we reflect on the conscious effort required to avoid media pitfalls that might lead us astray. Listen as we confront these compelling topics with honesty, humor, and a touch of introspection.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So I've got it.
I know what it says andactually this was this.
I had already had a topic in mymind, something I wanted to
talk about, but it was how doyou talk about it without it
being super sensitive?
So this will ease us into it.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So yeah, Boy you sure , oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
For sure You're positive.
Well, what I'm positive is I'mgoing to stir the pot.
I'm positive of that.
What?
Speaker 5 (00:21):
else is new.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I know that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, on the last episode, I was thinking of
something when we started it andit was a story I never told.
I don't remember what thatstory was.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It was a good one though.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That was a great segue, beth.
You didn't even know it was agreat segue.
Here's tonight's topic Do youbelieve in the Holy Spirit?
What do you understand it to be, do you?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
believe in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What do you understand it to be?
Oh yes, it's a good topic, it'sa good conversation.
Nobody, he is my conscience.
Okay, you're Jiminy Cricket.
Yeah, okay, I agree, that'sgood.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Sometimes when I go, something's coming out and
something says shut up, and Iknow that's who's telling me.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I think I fight that too much.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm just like I'm not gonna actually holy spirit is
my strength yeah, okay there'sthings I don't want to do or
maybe not feeling up to it, justanything like that a lot of
times it's like yeah, yes, likeokay, this is how I'm gonna
carry on.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I'm glad you said that, dawn, like you're
conscious, because I've alwaysthought that too, but I'm like,
well, no, that's not that's me,but really like that's him, the
still small voice, the stillsmall voice.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You could call that a conscience to some degree.
That's the good versus evilconversation.
You joke about the good angeland the little devil on your
shoulder.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
that could be yeah, because if you just did what you
, as a human, wanted to do allthe time, you're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You're in trouble you wouldn't, get nothing done well
, yeah, same way like with thelast episode.
I mean the shows that I used towatch before I was a christian.
Once I became a christian, it'slike you know.
Or if I'm in another room andyou've heard the F word three
times and you're like what areyou?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, what is?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
happening.
Turn that off.
Yeah, your wheels start turning.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Just to loop back to that, and we talked about it in
the last episode.
But I have also realized that,while occasionally vulgarities
fall out of my face, I can'twatch TV shows that do it a lot
Like my, or else you'll pick upon it more.
Not just that, but there'ssomething inside of me that's
just like.
I just shudder and it's weirdand I don't like any movies that
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there's excessive nudity andthings like that, which is weird
.
And again, that's part of theHoly Spirit working on that.
I talk about this a lot when Ipreach because I think people
don't quite understand how thebrain works for men and women
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and how different it is, but menare tempted with their eyes,
like we want to see where, we'reexcited by things that we see
Visual Right, which is whypornography is such a hot button
for men and things like that.
Like that doesn't typicallywork for women because they need
touch, like yeah, that's whatexcites a woman.
So there's a difference in.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
There's two words that I'm thinking of, because
I've heard it too Like womenneed the time and like but men
it's like bah, yes, right,exactly yes, there's two words
that they compare and I justcan't think what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, what I was talking about has absolutely
eluded me at this point.
The point that I was trying tomake there.
It was about the things that wewatch, things like that, just
how like I know that watchingthose things creates that like
weird trigger in your brain.
And so like.
And the Bible tells us that ifwe look lustfully, then we have
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already sinned.
And so you know, avoid that atall cost.
But yeah, and so you know,avoid that at all costs.
But yeah, I have a uniqueperspective on the Holy Spirit
that I want to challenge youguys with.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think that the Holy Spirit encompasses the
prophetic yeah Right, so thinkabout it Somebody like Holly who
is incredibly prophetic, isvery connected to the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Right, Mm?
Think about it.
Somebody like Holly, who isincredibly prophetic, is very
connected to the Holy spiritright.
I have a relationship withChrist.
I nothing wrong with myrelationship with Christ, but I
am not as prophetic as she mightbe.
I don't think the propheticlives in everybody.
No, I can operate in it when ithappens, like don't get me
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wrong.
Last Sunday man, if you werehere last Sunday dude, like I
was like it was something.
Something happened abouthalfway through worship and I
just lost it.
Like I was like all right, wegot to go.
I said to sis, I'm like prayermusic after this, like I got
something to say.
So and I never interruptworship.
So I step into the pulpit, Isay what I need to say, step
back out.
They played what one more song?
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And I'm like all right, I gotto deliver the word.
Like this is like it's got tohappen right now and so I start
preaching and it just was likepouring out of me and I got
probably five or six people werelike, hey, great sermon, hey,
good job.
I'm like none of that was me.
That was one of those, right,but that was like a very
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prophetic very high, like thatwas probably more prophetic than
it was apostolic.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I tend to operate more in the apostle than I do in
the prophetic, but I think whenyou uh, I will say chase, and I
don't mean that in a derogatoryway, but when you chase the
Holy Spirit, you tend to be moreprophetic, and when you are
prophetic you desire to chasethe Holy Spirit because- Wait,
say that again.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
That was a lot to just say it again.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So when you are prophetic, you tend to chase the
Holy.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And I don't remember how I said it, so we'll have to.
If you want to hear that again,go back and listen to it again
Again, that was prophetic.
That was not me saying that.
So I believe, genuinely believe, that there are people who
desire to have a closerconnection with the Holy Spirit
not then with Jesus, but like Iknow that I can see into the
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heavenlies.
And that sounds weird to somepeople listening, but it is a
thing Like there are people whocan, like they visualize things
in their head.
Then they say it to somebody,like an apostle or whatever, and
they're able to say, oh, thatvision that you saw represents
this thing.
And so Holly and I have been onthis kick about rusty gates
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Bizarre.
She's like she had a dreamabout a rusty gate and it just
starts to swing open and yada,yada, yada.
And then she comes back to meabout when Paul and Silas are in
prison and they're singingpraises and the gates swing open
wide and their captor is setfree, he is saved.
So like this whole thing.
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And then I'm thinking in thebook of Revelation they talk
about the gates and the gatesthat surround the city, and I'm
like there is something in thisand so we're like trying to put
it all together, but that'soperating in the prophetic,
which is much different thanjust reading the Bible and
trying to write a sermon.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I think that the prophetic there will always be a
closer connection to a move ofthe Spirit, and we know that the
gift of speaking in tongues isfrom the Holy Spirit and that
tends to be prophetic, right.
Yeah, so weird connection, butthat's just how I've always
viewed the Holy Spirit.
That is the prophetic.
(07:28):
Now, that doesn't mean he's notall of the other things,
because you know, we know thatthe Holy Spirit is omnipresent,
we know that God is, you knoweverywhere, that we are, you
know, we know that heunderstands and has designed all
of the things.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
But but it's not Holly, it's the Holy Spirit.
Correct, correct it's the HolySpirit.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's what we always say.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's who usually speaks to Dave, it's the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But here's what I want to say about that and,
coming off of a very propheticconference, I think this needs
to be said.
Prophetic words are spoken overa lot of people about a lot of
situations and a lot of thingsin their lives, and I'm going to
also tell you when I'm donewith this why I don't trust the
prophetic sometimes.
Okay, we have to understandthat those prophetic words are
in season and that means that ifa prophetic word is spoken to
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you today, let's say that youknow.
Pastor Valerie Swisher was hereand fantastic, she's a
prophetess.
I've seen her build as anapostle.
A prophet like in Florence wasthe same way.
She could operate in all thethings.
She's just picker lane today,but she let's let's assume that
she prophesies.
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That prophesies that I'm goingto open another church, that
we're going to have a secondchurch.
It doesn't mean that's today,it doesn't mean it's tomorrow.
That may be 10 years down theroad.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And if that were to happen for you, would you start,
you know, planning it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If she said that to me, no, I wouldn't.
Here's what I would say,because I also know that my life
is in season.
I know that where I'm at iswhere I'm supposed to be, and I
would say God, should it be yourwill, allow that to happen.
And if I got a call and theysaid hey, the Cambridge church
is floundering and we need youto save?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
it Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, this is potentially, potentially that
prophetic word coming to pass,and so I'm going to lean into it
, but I'm not going to hang myhat on it yeah.
Right, right, because the reasonthat I don't always trust the
prophetic is sometimes peoplesay things in the prophetic that
they don't understand, like Iwould never tell somebody.
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One time somebody prophesiedover Alyssa and I that we were
going to have another baby and Ilaughed because I was like that
ain't going to happen, like itcan't happen physically, can't
happen in our life.
But then after we thought aboutthat long term, I mean that
could have meant adoption, thatcould have meant even birthing,
something in the church.
That could have been likeanother type of ministry or
another style of ministry.
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And I'll be honest, like theElvis thing came to pass really
after that.
So maybe that's it, like it'sanother form of ministry.
We don't always know what itmeans and we don't clearly
convey that to somebody.
Because when they spoke that, Ilaughed because I was like
we're not having another baby, aphysical baby that cries and
you have to run.
We're not having one of those,it's not possible.
(10:14):
And so I looked at that andthen what was the first thing I
thought about that person.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
They're crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
This is false prophecy, which is a very
dangerous place to be, and thenyou have to question whether or
not you trust them, and so thereare a lot of people that I
question.
And it's not a bad thing,because I don't think we should
ever just blindly believesomething that somebody says to
us.
We should study it out and weshould understand it, but we
also have to understand thatsometimes people will say things
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to us that aren't necessarilyin season in our lives, but that
has maybe something down theroad.
Yeah, I think it's important tounderstand what the prophetic
actually is and how it actuallyworks.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But everything has to play for that to come in.
Sure, you have to continue yourwalk with the Lord.
You have to begin to.
I think we talked about this,you know, the seeds planted.
It's got to grow.
It's got to be pruned.
It's got to be, it's got togrow well, it's got to be pruned
, it's got to be taken care offor that gift to yeah, come out.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Last sunday.
When I got really fired upbecause you weren't here last
sunday, said nick, you weren'there last sunday because you
were dealing with your, yourwife who was feeling so well.
He was a little down I became.
I had this righteous angerabout people not planting their
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roots, about people chasingblessings but they can't even
plant their roots in order fortheir blessing to be watered.
You know so many people and Idon't mean in this church or I
don't mean, but the people comefor the prophetic and when
somebody speaks into you likeyou're going to start your own
ministry, you're going to dothis, that or the other more,
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whatever the case may be, andthen you chase that blessing by
jumping from this church to thatchurch, from that church to
this church, from this ministryto that ministry, and I'm going
to do this event and that eventYou're going to walk in the door
and just say hey, you're here,we want you to do this.
It doesn't work like that.
You have to plant, you have toput roots in the ground, those
roots have to be watered, youhave to get a little bit of
miracle grow, you have to beloved and the hardest part, beth
(12:17):
.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Beth said this to me on the phone.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I was like holy smokes.
You're going to have to be toldyou can't do that.
You can't be that way, youcan't act that way, you can't do
these things.
And if you choose to beoffended and you pull up your
roots and try to plant somewhereelse, you're going to die.
It's not going to work Becauseyou're doing it out of season
and it's such a hard thing toget people to understand because
we're not planting roots.
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So the prophetic doesn't reallytake place in our lives that
prophecy that's spoken.
We can't be watered, we can'tbe nourished, we can't be fed,
because we're offended that wealso have to be pruned.
Yeah the prophetic's a weirdplace for me.
I don't understand it.
Holly and I we had a very, veryreal conversation on Sunday
after church, very real, and Itold you guys like candor is my
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word this year we're going tohave uncomfortable conversations
and we're just going to do it.
And she gave me so much gracein that conversation Cause I
said I'm going to ask questions.
That might sound offensive, butthat's not my intention.
And we just talked and she said, pastor Michael, just like
sometimes you don't understandme in the prophetic, I don't
understand you in the apostolic.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
She's like sometimes you make a decision that doesn't
make any sense to me, I getthat, and she's like I have to
watch it come to pass.
She's like I don't want toquestion it, but I also need to
understand it to some degree.
And so I think back to like ifI tell you, you hear me.
If I tell you, you hear me, butif I show you, you really
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understand.
Right.
Most people need to be shown whysomething is happening the way
that it is, or what thesituation is, and the prophetic
is very much so that way as well.
So typically in our church, ifthere's a message delivered in
tongues and an interpretation, Istep into the pulpit,
regardless of the time that ithappens, and I explain what just
happened, because I feel likeanybody who is hearing that for
the first time, who hasn'texperienced that before, they
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need to understand it Right.
It's only fair, becauseotherwise you're like these
people have lost their freakingminds and they're all crazy.
Yeah, somebody's over therejabbering out loud and then
somebody else is pretending likethey know what they're saying.
It doesn't make sense, and soyou have to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Now the hardest part is when there's a message in
tongues and no interpretationcomes Right right, but sometimes
that's because the person hasbeen given that interpretation,
chooses not to use it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Chooses not to use it and so that's why I say it gets
tricky, because now we're inthe prophetic.
But my responsibility as thelead pastor and as an apostle is
to make it clear to people whodon't understand it.
Okay, that's my responsibility.
So now I have two options it'sto step into the pulpit and beg
whoever got that word to deliverit, or to say well, what you
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just heard was Roger deliveringthis very prophetic message.
We know Roger loves the Lordand that was something between
Roger and the Lord.
Roger knows that's not true.
I know that's not true, so Idon't want to lie to people.
But at the same time, if thereis no interpretation, that word
is not valid.
And so when somebody getsthe—they have to deliver the
interpretation.
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And I will tell you, there hasnever been a single time, other
than once in this building,where I've ever gotten an
interpretation.
And you know how mad that makesme, you get this epic thing
happen, and here's the one thatI got.
So this is how I know that Ican operate in the prophetic
when I need to.
I don't remember I think it wasEd that delivered a message in
tongues and immediately almostimmediately somebody started
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delivering the interpretationand I knew it was wrong.
I knew it was wrong, I didnothing about it, I let the word
be spoken, I didn't correct itand it was just out there.
Everybody had just heard it andit took a long time for me to
process that.
I had a conversation withsomebody.
They're like oh no, no, no, no.
Like I've been there and I'vejust stepped into the pulpit and
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I just said, hey, that wordthat was delivered, don't
believe that was in season.
Here's what I believe the HolySpirit actually said.
After a long time of thinking,I realized that the person who
delivered it delivered itintentionally divisively.
The message that they deliveredwas to create division in the
body because they were feelingleft out At the time Now.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
they probably don't even go here anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They don't know they don't, they do not.
And here's the thing.
It's really hard to understandthat.
It's really hard to like as apastor, to see somebody leave
the church.
it's really hard, but I'vegotten really good at it
recently because, I'm like I,but I know, even if it is me,
it's not me.
Even if they say that it's me,it's not me.
This is not their season inthis house.
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This is not their season inthis storehouse.
They need to go somewhere elseand be filled up in a different
way, and I believe everybody hasa season in every place that
they go.
There are people who go to somemega churches that aren't.
They should be in a propheticchurch.
They should be in aspirit-filled church because
they have those gifts theychoose that.
That's not what they want.
They want to just live underthe radar.
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They don't want to serve.
Yes, exactly, they don't wantthe Holy Spirit to stir them up.
They don't want any of theprophetic to affect their life.
And then I see some people whoare in a spirit-filled church.
That probably just shouldn't be.
They should probably be in aspirit-filled church.
It probably just shouldn't be.
They should probably be in aslower, quieter environment,
because when the Holy Spiritbreaks out and there's a fire of
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revival taking place, they'resitting back there going well, I
don't believe any of this andthis is just not.
This is.
And now you've become, you'vehad, you have a spectator spirit
and you have a religious spirit, and those are really hard for
a church body to overcome whenyou have somebody sitting there
doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, I will say the first time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, beth was there once.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I went to the conference and they were a lot
of tongues, a lot of prophecygiven, and I'm like I don't know
if this is right or not, andI'm like, lord, this is not
right, you get me out of here.
I'm sitting there, I'm by balland doorway.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I'll make a door.
And he stuck you to the seat,didn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I said, if it's you prove it.
Oh, he proved it.
He pulled me out right now.
Right now and said said youknow, child, you are where
you're supposed to be and that'swhat I'm saying about the
prophetic.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
That's when you know nobody knew that but me.
Yeah, that's when you know thatthat's real.
Yeah, sid, I'm just nowrealizing my wife was supposed
to leave a check she did, oh,she did, okay, you got it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Great, perfect.
But it says Sid, so I'm takingit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
My money now.
She must have been leavingstuff for everybody.
I got a sticker.
Oh, I saw that.
I saw that laying on my counter.
I thought it was for me, though, geez.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Nope, it's for Roslyn , oh, it's not even for me.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, BFF, BFF, BFF, BFF, BFF.
All the way across the backStickers all over.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, love, all over the bottom.
Yeah, love, love love Realquick.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This is completely off topic and if Emmett ever
hears this he'll be absolutelymortified that I told this story
.
Adeline always writes me littlelove notes I love you, daddy,
so so much and she just leavesthem in random places.
And I'm always finding theselittle love notes and I get a
text from Emmett that said hey,look in your cups when you get
home.
Now you use static cups for mylike pain relief and for
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headaches.
So he told me to look there andI was like why Was somebody
playing in them?
Because Easton willoccasionally get them out and
play in them.
And he said no and I said wellthen why would I need to look in
there?
Never answered me, neverthought anything more of it.
I walk in the bedroom and I seemy cups sitting on the end stand
, cause I just used them thenight before.
So I opened the lid and there'sa little card from him just
cute little, and it's a pictureof me and him, um, and he drew a
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dragon on the front of my shirtto look like the dragon
jumpsuit, and it was.
It was a super cute card thathe had hand drawn, but on the
inside it was just so sweet.
Thank you so much for all youdo for me.
I love you so much.
Thank you for spending so muchmoney on my new bedroom.
Just this, like, and I'm likeyou, like how you can't you
can't bribe a kid to do thesethings, like I'll spend another
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$30,000.
But it's like you know what Imean.
Mean like it, just it.
There's just something aboutthat.
But then again, that's how weknow we're raising our children
yes, right, yes he doesn't knowhow much that bedroom costs, but
he knows it's not cheap.
He knows it costs a lot of moneyoh, he's doing the bedroom in
the basement he's getting thebedroom in the basement correct,
so he's getting that.
It's a huge bedroom.
It's bigger than allison'sbedroom.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's stupid but yeah, maggie did something similar.
I think it was for my birthday.
She wrote me this big long Bestgift you can ever get.
I thought I was blown away.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Especially you being the stepdad, you know, best gift
you can ever get I'm like hey,I said she just raised the bar,
everybody has a better stepdad.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yep, yep, yep, yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah, my son was never one tosay I love you and I called him
out on it one time when he was ateenager, probably a junior in
high school, and I went out tomy car that morning to leave for
work and he had a card outthere on my windshield and
flowers and I'm like, okay, heloves me, he just doesn't say it
.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It is weird.
Let's just cover that realquick.
Because for men it is weird.
Because for men it is weirdLike we can say it usually to
our spouses, but even saying itto our kids is a little bit
challenging, because there comesa point where it's like I can't
show that emotion because Ialso need to, I need to assert
some level of authority, I needto be dad, I need to be strong.
And then we definitely don'tsay it to one another, right,
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like that's not a thing.
We don't say it to our friends.
Right, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And if we do, I think you and I say love you every
time we're signing up.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, okay, but see, now we just I was just getting
ready to say this I believe,genuinely believe there's an
inherent difference betweensaying love you and I love you,
right.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, yeah, oh absolutely Love you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I could say that to anybody.
I'd say that to you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Or at the Family Dollar.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Or at the Family Dollar.
Oh, did I tell you guys aboutthe Family Dollar?
What's?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
our Family Dollar episode update.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
There is a slight update, so I don't I this is
Wait, I gotta tell everyone youjust moved your.
My microphone with my knife.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
With his phone.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So my wife went into the dollar store the other day.
She walks.
She walks in, goes and gets herstuff, goes to the counter and
the lady goes oh, are youmichael's wife?
I have no idea who this lady is, okay.
So my wife goes, I am, and shegoes oh, you guys just bought
one of the new houses.
And she said yes, and she'slike is yours?
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You're the one that you did.
You guys have a bidding war onyour house.
We paid over asking for ourhouse.
The reason we paid over askingwas they covered a large portion
of our closing costs, so wefinanced closing basically.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
But let's say that is very common right now.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yes, certainly In the market.
Yes because-.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
That's nothing crazy going on.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And here's the reason that we opted to do that was
because when you buy a brand newhouse that doesn't exist, they
estimate your taxes really,really high, and so we knew that
that tax bill was going to becrazy high.
So we overpaid but we were ableto finance basically the
closing costs so we weren'tlosing our equity that we had
from the old house.
Okay, so they assumed that therewas a bidding war on our house,
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which she said.
I didn't correct them and shejust went about her day.
She calls me immediately.
She's like I swear, do you makea name for yourself everywhere?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
that you go.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I said, it just kind of happened.
I have no idea who the lady is.
I don't know which one of themit is.
I don't know how she knows me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You will realize in that small community they will
figure out how many times youflush your toilet.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She said to Alyssa she's like, yeah, it's kind of
good being in a small town.
The bad news is, everybodyknows your business.
And I said business and I saidto a list I said you know what
it had to have been beth thathad to have walked in there and
said something about me.
This is the only because Ican't think of another reason
that they would know me.
But they do not talk about whatthey do?
I mean there's facebook now,guys yeah, but still, how are
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they gonna look me up onfacebook?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
it's a small town.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
They know like they just gonna go through all the
pictures until they find onethat looks like me, probably Go
through the address.
No, not on Facebook.
I guess they could have lookedat who bought that property.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
When you take a picture of something to see like
oh yeah, Reverse image searchCan you do that to a person's
face.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, certainly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh, my daughter can find anybody for any.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh, alyssa did that for me, so if I took a picture
of your face, you could do areverse Google image search and
it would try to match it withsomebody else and likely here's
what you would find for me.
If you did that, you would findeven if you search organic
church.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm not bragging about this, but my Elvis article
is the first thing that pops upand so the first picture you
see of me me in a jumpsuit,standing in the pulpit one of
the beauticians that works withfreaks people out had just moved
to the yurixville area andshe's like I need to find a
church and she's like we need,you know, to check out my mom's
church and then she's like nopeno, so she, she googled it and
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she's like your mom's preacheris elvis you know that drew a
lot of controversy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was so surprised by it, with how offended people
were by it.
It was because of the way theytitled the article, which I wish
I would have had some say inthat Filled with the spirit of
Elvis, and so people didn't evenread the article.
They assumed that, like we werepreaching some weird Elvis
gospel.
Like every Sunday, right Then Iwear a jumpsuit and so, like
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anybody who read the article,was very clear and I said that
those two worlds never cross.
Like I make an Elvis joke,every whip stitch and whatnot,
but those two worlds don't cross.
I don't preach in a jumpsuit,I'm not like it's.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, it's two different lives or not, elvis,
you'll sing a.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Steven song once in a while.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh my gosh, oh oh.
They didn't even have to try toconvince him, he just did it.
And that is not true.
It is not Like I tried to go onand it was not happening, like
that was.
I wasn't going to preachanother word, because you and
Margie were probably the twoworst.
You're like oh, just do it.
Just do it.
If you listen to the livestream, you can hear the two of
you saying it.
You can hear the two of yousaying it.
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It was hilarious and I wasprepped for it because I knew
once I went there, because Itold Alyssa, I told Alyssa.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You were already there.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, and it was in the plan.
But Alyssa was like no, youreally shouldn't.
And I was like you know what,if they make a fuss, I'll just
do it and it'll be fun and yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You're like, please make a fuss.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I just love how you slipped the microphone out of my
back pocket.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What's funny is because my lapel microphone is
not conditioned for singing, andso I told Dan Lumpstick I'm
going to take my handheld justin case.
And so I had it in my backpocket the whole time.
I was pretty confident that itwas going to happen, but at the
same time I was like ah, and Itold Roger at the beginning I'm
not going to if it doesn'thappen, I'm not just going to
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force it.
I was glad that it did becauseit was fun.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
We had visitors that morning too, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yes, we did.
And they stopped me afterwardsand said we absolutely loved
that because it brought somegreat humor.
I had one girl tell me I cried,I laughed, I cried some more, I
laughed, some more, and thenthey never came back.
Like three weeks they were heretwo weeks in a row.
Haven't been back since.
So oh no, here we are.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Here we are.
Did you pull out the snakestory that day too?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Probably, probably, probably.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yeah.
Well listen, because years agothat's what I heard about this
church.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Oh that we had snakes .
Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And that you beat people up in the parking lot if
you didn't speak in tongues.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I mean that only happened once or twice.
That's how Vicky Hickey gotslain in the spirit.
We beat her up in the parkinglot.
I heard so.
Yeah, we beat her up in theparking lot and we're like
you're going to learn it now Ofall people.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
That's right Right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't know, I think she could take me.
I don't know, I think she couldtake me.
I'm just being honest.
She might have a trick hip, butI think she could take me.
That's why you're nice to her.
I know I'm afraid of her, right, she's one of the sweetest
people I've ever met in myentire life.
Love her so much.
She texted me the other day andsaid I just want you to know I
appreciate you and love you, andI'm like aw.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
She fun fact.
Did you know she was fromBethel when I was there?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I did not, so we've known each other a long time I
did not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's neat.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Now she's like I saw you grow up.
Now I'm seeing you have a baby.
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh goodness, okay.
So let's hop back to theprophetic, because I think
that's important.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, you, know, within a few weeks of going to
this church, florence came up tome and she says I can't wait to
hear you preach someday.
I thought you're nuts.
I'm like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Isn't it?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
annoying that she knew things.
She did that to me, not that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
No, you hardly know me, it's just the way she would
look at you.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That was the thing with her.
You were like don't make eyecontact.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
She just had this way of looking at you You're
thinking you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But then you're looking her in the eye.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She's very confident about what she said.
She could almost melt you justa little bit.
She was very sweet, very soft,but very direct she's never even
heard me speak before.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
What is she talking about?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I had a really cool Holy Spirit moment with her.
This is one of those healingstories that people are like oh
you're crazy.
This is legitimate, 100%legitimate.
This actually happened to meand I would have never believed
it if it didn't happen to me, ifsomebody else told me this
story.
So I completely understand ifnobody believes me.
I was living in Cleveland at thetime and I had broken off one
of my teeth towards the back.
(29:13):
Eating banana, laffy, taffy,split the tooth in half, pulled
it out, nerve exposed, wickedpain.
But I was tolerating it becauseI couldn't afford to go to the
dentist.
It didn't have extra income,but I was miserable with this
tooth and she called me one daywhen I was in Cleveland.
I was at the house and shecalled me and I don't remember
(29:34):
what she would.
She wanted something like wewere having a conversation about
something and she said are youokay?
I said no.
I said my, you know, I'm havinga little bit of pain in my
tooth.
And she's like okay, well, I'll, I'll pray about it.
And I was like all right, Iappreciate that.
She's like no, no, we're goingto do it right now.
And she I'm not kidding whileshe was praying, pain gone
(29:55):
immediately.
I'm like this lady's crazy andI've known her for a long time,
been through all the stuff withher, but you don't think of
things like that.
But I wasn't like she couldn'thave known that I was in pain by
the way I was talking like, orthe conversation we were having,
but just something told herthat she needed to pray for me,
that she needed to ask me thatquestion and she needed to pray
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for me.
It's just bizarre the stuffthat the Holy spirit can, can do
.
And I always tell people thereis no distance in healing, like
if just because you don't comeup front for healing on a Sunday
morning, like just know thatwe're praying for that healing,
because it can happen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Right.
If it was really prophetic,though, she could have told me
to be a little more concise,except she could have gave me.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I'll say, you know, when she gave me my word, like
she wasn't always rainbows andbutterflies.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
My word was hey, your life's about to change.
I don't know if it's going tobe good or bad, but just be
ready for it.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh, dear Lord, what does this mean?
The one thing that I alwaysloved about her, too, is she was
one of the few people in thisworld that never took my crap.
Never took it, didn't.
There was no such thing as anexcuse.
They didn't exist in her worldand it didn't matter if it was
legitimate.
I got hit by a bus.
I'm sorry I can't be at churchon Sunday.
She's like, no, you to be hereand we're going to pray for you.
She's like wheel yourself intothe hospital bed.
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You need to be here Exactly.
And when she was the pastorhere, you were here.
If you served in ministry, anyarea, so, like this team, if you
were on worship, if you workedin nursery, whatever it may be,
when the building was open, youwere here.
You were here on Saturday nightfor prayer, you were here on.
What did we do Tuesday?
Friday that was Tuesday wasprayer, worship practice.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
No, it was worship practice, worship practice, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So we had worship practice on Tuesday.
So I'm thinking of my life andwhat we were doing, but you were
here basically Tuesday night,wednesday night, saturday night,
sunday morning, and it was notan excuse to not be here.
And I'm going to tell you what.
If she was ever upset with you,you knew it and she was honest
with you.
Oh yeah, when you get to churchyou sit, you don't work.
That didn't mean stay home onSunday.
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Your butt better be here ontime and you're going to sit,
You're going to take the wordand you're going to do something
with it.
I mean, that's basically whatit felt like.
I'll never forget the one timeit happened to me.
I was mortified.
I was like I didn't feel likewhat I did was wrong, but I was
(32:27):
being punished for it.
But it was never like apunishment, Like you're in
trouble.
It was like you need to take abreak, you need to refocus,
redirect and then we can talkabout where this is going to be
on a spiritual mindset, yes,business, yes Like it was very.
She was very direct about whatshe expected, how she expected
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you to behave.
I remember one time it was thevery first sermon I ever wrote-
by the way.
I had this wild idea I had goneto the bathroom after worship,
which I always did.
I'd sneak out, go to thebathroom, then I would come back
in because I would chug likethree bottles of water during
worship.
I would come back in and I hadgotten like this like oh, this
passage of scripture, I want towrite it down.
So I snuck into what is now thecafe used to be a little
(33:10):
library and I snuck in there andI wrote on a sticky note and I
looked up the scripture and Istuck it in the Bible and I was
like, oh well, that matches withthis and this walked back in
and after service she stopped meand she said hey, where were
you?
I said I went to the bathroomand then I like I was catching
some scripture that was poppinginto my brain and I went to
write it.
And she goes never again.
She said if you need to use thebathroom, that's fine, but you
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come right back and I was like,okay, like there was just an
order and you just followedorder.
Like that wasn't games, itwasn't like.
This is something that'scurrently happening that you
know.
We haven't made an adjustmentto children's ministry in our
building because we don't haveenough volunteers at this point,
and so it is.
I don't remember the ages, butit's up to fifth grade is the
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highest grade that we have for akid's class for right now.
Anybody above that stays in thesanctuary.
There are some people who don'tlike that and they still try to
send their kids who are too oldfor that classroom back to that
classroom.
I'm going to tell you what ifyou'd have done that with her,
she'd have dragged your kid backin herself.
I watched her snatch my kids upoff the floor.
I can't tell you how many times.
(34:16):
Poor Blake.
One time I thought she wasgoing to kill him.
This is not a joke.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
We were doing worship , Listen we were doing worship.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We're doing worship and we're up front and we're
singing.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And I see her, her grandson.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Great Was it great, great grandson yeah, great
grandson, she's raising him.
So he's living in her house andI see her leave the front row.
She was always in the front row, always Okay, because she
wanted to be able to tell youthis, which means, do it one
more time, she'd swirl herfinger.
Keep going, don't stop.
So I am full-blown worship modeand I open my eyes and she's
gone, and so now I'm scanningthe sanctuary trying to find the
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lady and I see her making abeeline to Blake and I
immediately Lord whatever it isthat she's going to do just
allow it to be tactful, lord.
I just thank you for his lifeand, lord, I pray that you just
allow him to live, to seeanother day.
And I mean, I'm not joking Likethis is real life happening in
my brain while we're doingworship.
He's sitting down with his armsfolded and his head is on the
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chair in front of him, so likehe's like sleeping.
She snatches him out of thatchair and stands him up like
sleeping.
She snatches him out of thatchair and stands him up and you
can't hear her telling him, butyou can know there's noise,
there's ruckus and I'm like Idon't know what to do.
Worship is almost over.
We're going to sing it againbecause we can't stop at this
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point, because I'm like she'sgoing to beat him to death.
I don't want this, but it wasvery much so.
Like this is how we operate.
I remember.
I remember that I was soterrified for him, so terrified
for him, but just it's.
It was the expectation.
But she also believed that whenwe were out of sync and we had
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people who were spectator spiritor we had people who had spirit
of religion and things likethat were happening in the
building, that the spirit wasn'tmoving.
And if the spirit wasn't moving, we had a dead word.
And if that word wasn't beingplanted in our hearts, if we
weren't take, then what was thepoint of being here?
Right, like she was very, verymuch so.
She knew how she wanted it done.
It was one of the the thingsthat I loved about her the most
(36:20):
was she just didn't take my crap, so I couldn't tell her what,
what God said, could she?
Oh, he did, did he?
What's your confirmation?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, he didn't run this by me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, that's basically what she would say
Listen, remember that he toldher that I was going to preach
before he told me I was going topreach.
So apparently he also knew thepecking order.
I don't know.
He let her know before he letme know, but it was.
She was again.
There was nothing wrong, in myopinion, with how she did it,
but it was a very strict like.
(36:51):
This is just how we do ministry.
And you didn't.
You didn't play around with itand it worked.
It was.
Church was built in 1982 by herfamily's hands and here it
still stands in full operation.
Her name is out on the frontsign.
You can't make a ministrysurvive that long.
We talked about finances.
(37:12):
This church should not survivebased on the numbers.
It shouldn't still be openbased on the numbers, but it
still survives.
It survives because we fullyrely on god in all things and
just we know that he's going tomake it happen.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Holy spirit you are welcome okay, sorry, I've been
all right if it had been just alittle bit of music there.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean, or maybe like if I would have sang
it on key too, that yeah, well,would have been helpful.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, you was pretty low.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's okay.
It's okay, we'll let it slidethis time.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Next time.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I'm getting fired Next time you're getting fired.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, next time I'm getting fired.
Anybody else have any funthoughts?
We're live.
By the way, on the Sabbath, theother episode, our last episode
, is live.
I'm like we've been live itjust.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I'm like we've been live Populated, so we'll see how
many people listen to thatepisode.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Our viewers have been down a little bit.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
I'm a little nervous about that I think it's because
we've been pre-recording.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I agree with you.
I said that because peopleanticipate, like Now.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
What's going on with you?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Correct, correct, so we might have to shake it up a
bit Correct, so we might have toshake it up a bit.
Yeah, go back to the Well,because the purpose was for
anybody who's listening andwants to know this.
The purpose was we're all verybusy and so sometimes we're like
on a Wednesday night we justcan't be here, and so we didn't
want to go without a message ona Wednesday night because of
that.
Our goal is basically 52episodes a year, one episode a
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week, all year long, no breaks,just all in, and so we wanted to
record a couple of extras sothat we'd have a buffer in case
we had to miss one.
We would still have episodes torecord, but now we've got
really four in the bank, quote,unquote, so we could go back to
releasing that days and thenthese ones these four could be
(38:59):
the fill-ins if we were to needthem.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
so that's kind of what I was thinking when you had
given the idea that wasoriginally my plan as well.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
The hard part is keeping track of them and
finding a place that they canlive Right.
So that's the hard part, whichI think we can fix that.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Because they can't be getting bored.
No, no, they could be going.
I don't know what these peopleare talking about.
That's a valid argument.
Like that are crazy, very validargument.
But I'll be honest, we've had62 downloads in the last 30 days
, which is, again thinking aboutthis tiny little.
That's more people than that'smore people than attend church
on sunday.
Yeah, right, like yeah, 62people listening to this and,
(39:36):
honestly, we have the podcastfrom the sunday morning services
that gets listened to prettywell.
Not great great, but it wasnever intended to be a popular
podcast, more so for anybody whomisses a Sunday to have the
opportunity to go back andlisten.
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
You think maybe some of our listeners are listening
to that instead of.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
No, because that is a much lower listening than this
one.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I enjoy listening to that during the week at work.
Listening to it again, I alwaysget something else.
There's something new.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Right, because you get fixated on one part of the
message and so then you mightmiss another part.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When I'm taking notes it's like, oh, what else did he
say?
What did?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
he just say, like that thing that I said in the
last episode, that was veryprophetic, but I couldn't say it
again if I wanted to.
So far since we've startedpublishing, we've had 1,743
downloads.
So I mean we got excited whenwe hit 1,000.
And so I mean it's definitelydriving Is there an achievement
for 1,750?
.
I don't think so.
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I don't think so either.
I just wanted to look realquick.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
They gave you like little ribbons or something.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Here's what.
Maybe this is what's happening.
Maybe everybody is just behinda couple of weeks.
You think, yeah, because weactually on season three,
episode one, which was balancingtradition, technology and
togetherness, has 17 downloads.
Then on the 15th it's at eight.
And then what is your faithlineage, which it was last
week's episode, is at 10.
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And so it's almost like we getthere, because we're usually in
that 20-ish range, but it'salmost like everybody's behind,
because even our new yearspecial was a total flop.
Our christmas special totalflop.
Uh, holiday grief did well,which was me, and alissa's.
That one was fun, um fun.
Yeah, I shouldn't say that mywife cried through the whole
(41:22):
thing Like she felt terrible forher, but cause I didn't prep
her for it, she didn't tell heranything about it.
We just went for it, we walked,we walk into the studio.
I'm like, hey, we're going to,we're going to record and it was
good though.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Right, Like it was real life stuff of mine for
years years.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Anytime I'd hear his name, I'd cry and break down.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
That's grief.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, don't let anybody tell you you have to
grieve a certain way.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, and crying is okay, it doesn't.
It's not going to hurt anybody,like I'm not going to be hurt
if you cry.
Now, if I fire you and you cry,I'm going to tell you to turn
off the water, off thewaterworks?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm not firing you.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I'm just telling you that you're fired.
I'm informing you that you havefired yourself.
That's basically what'shappening.
So, yeah, maybe we'll go backto those live episodes and see
what we can do.
You know what I was thinkingabout doing?
Another fun thing to do wouldbe to put a camera in here
somewhere and actually they cansee our faces.
When, once, some sometime, whenwe do it like old school, when
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we actually were live live likewhile we were talking, people
were hearing, I'd say I think weought to have phone
conversations too we could dothat.
Now, the hard part about phoneconversations is people can't
just call in because I have to,like my phone has to be muted
because every notification I get, every you know work
notification to get, is going toring through.
So it would have to be likekind of almost preplanned
conversations.
(42:43):
But I love doing that.
With Dale, yeah, other than wecouldn't see his face so he
didn't know when we were tryingto talk.
And Dale, just he just likes totalk man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
The one podcast that I normally listen to.
I've I know their faces like,but I never watch them.
And some people like peoplejust watch them and how they
talk, and I I did that thismorning and I think it was weird
like, because I just wouldalways listen.
But you know, even just liketheir faces, like when the other
one's talking, and they're likeyeah, you know, and I'm like
(43:12):
well like when I pushed mymicrophone in with my nose
nobody saw that
Speaker 4 (43:17):
what do you say?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
you think you listen to him so long, you, you?
Speaker 5 (43:20):
you have a thing I know.
I feel like they're my bestfriend, okay, and I'm like but
then when you see him, you'relike oh, I don't look, anything
you do that with radio hosts allthe time.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh yeah, well, roger's son.
I got to meet roger's son whenroger was in the hospital so he
had been listening to ourpodcast.
I'd never met him before.
So I go into the hospital, meethe and linda his son and linda
in waiting room, and I walk inand I sit down.
I was like hey, where are we?
Like she's like oh, he justwent back to prep whatever.
Yada, yada, yada.
And she introduces me to Richand Rich says oh, I know him, I
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listened to the podcast.
And he says to Roger later Ilook nothing like what he
anticipated me looking like.
And I would guess, just becausewe talk about Elvis so much,
you expect the big sideburns andthe hair.
Yeah.
Yeah, the mutton chops and thebig hair, and yeah, it's just
not.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
You expect me to walk around in jumpsuits all the
time, right?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, so I don't know .
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, okay, I think we've covered it.
Have we covered it?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
When we're praying for wisdom, you know, and then
you hear something.
Or you're in a service or youhear something and you get that
discernment that it's just notthe truth or it's not right, or
yes you know, I've only evergotten some true discernment a
couple times.
But, you know, and it's like forme, I'm like am I hearing this
right?
Yeah, you know, should I bethinking the way that I'm
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thinking, you know?
But then it was like, after theservice, it was like, oh, three
of us had the exact same yeah,we got a problem.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, we have a problem, nobody else.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Nobody else had that discernment but, three of us had
that exact same discernment andI'm like, okay, yes, yeah, yeah
, so and I.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's why, anytime I deliver a message and this I
it's not often that I don't saythis I always, lord, let this be
of you, not of me.
Any word that I speak that itis not of you, allow it to fall
dead to the floor before itreaches the ears of those who
are listening.
And the reason I do that isbecause I am not going to get it
right every time.
Sometimes you're going to getthe gospel according to Michael,
and that's not okay.
I should never be interpretingthe Bible for you.
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I should be reading the wordfor you, I should be delivering
the word to you, and so thatsometimes is a challenge, and so
I don't ever want that to bethe case.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
We'll backpedal and make sure that all the listeners
know it was not this it wasn't,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
The other thing that I would say, though, is like,
even when you listen to thepodcast, like the old messages,
you need to listen to the wholething, because sometimes I say
something that is controversialat the beginning intentionally
in order to build to the pointat the end, and I will say last
Sunday, I made a comment in themiddle of my sermon that I had
to, like, walk back in themoment because I was like that
came out wrong.
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That is not what I meant, but Ithink everybody gave me a lot
of great.
It was bad.
It was.
It wasn't intentionally bad, itlike wasn't offensive or
anything, but if somebody tookthat clip and put it on the
internet, they'd be like can youbelieve?
This pastor said this and itwould be a thing, and it was
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obviously.
It's your turn to pray, myfriend.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Lord, thank you for bringing us all together again.
We're so thankful that we arenow in our third season together
and we're just thankful forevery opportunity that we have
to bring you closer to everybody, all of our listeners.
Just always help us always havethe Holy Spirit as part of our
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relationship with you and justalways help us to be on the
lookout for when that Spirit ismeant to drive us towards
something better, to help uscommunicate more in fellowship,
and just always help us drive tojust be more in fellowship and
just always help us strive tojust be more in discernment with
you and just always be lookingfor what your true word is
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supposed to be and how it issupposed to lead us.
I pray that everybody will gethome safely tonight and I'll be
really excited to get back herenext week.
I say all these things in yourprecious name, amen.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Amen.
So I've got it.
I know what it says andactually this was this.
I had already had a topic in mymind, something I wanted to
talk about, but it was how doyou talk about it without it
being super sensitive?
So this will ease us into it.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So yeah, Boy you sure , oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
For sure You're positive.
Well, what I'm positive is I'mgoing to stir the pot.
I'm positive of that.
What?
Speaker 5 (00:21):
else is new.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I know that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, on the last episode, I was thinking of
something when we started it andit was a story I never told.
I don't remember what thatstory was.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It was a good one though.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That was a great segue, beth.
You didn't even know it was agreat segue.
Here's tonight's topic Do youbelieve in the Holy Spirit?
What do you understand it to be, do you?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
believe in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What do you understand it to be?
Oh yes, it's a good topic, it'sa good conversation.
Nobody, he is my conscience.
Okay, you're Jiminy Cricket.
Yeah, okay, I agree, that'sgood.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Sometimes when I go, something's coming out and
something says shut up, and Iknow that's who's telling me.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I think I fight that too much.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm just like I'm not gonna actually holy spirit is
my strength yeah, okay there'sthings I don't want to do or
maybe not feeling up to it, justanything like that a lot of
times it's like yeah, yes, likeokay, this is how I'm gonna
carry on.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I'm glad you said that, dawn, like you're
conscious, because I've alwaysthought that too, but I'm like,
well, no, that's not that's me,but really like that's him, the
still small voice, the stillsmall voice.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You could call that a conscience to some degree.
That's the good versus evilconversation.
You joke about the good angeland the little devil on your
shoulder.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
that could be yeah, because if you just did what you
, as a human, wanted to do allthe time, you're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You're in trouble you wouldn't, get nothing done well
, yeah, same way like with thelast episode.
I mean the shows that I used towatch before I was a christian.
Once I became a christian, it'slike you know.
Or if I'm in another room andyou've heard the F word three
times and you're like what areyou?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, what is?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
happening.
Turn that off.
Yeah, your wheels start turning.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Just to loop back to that, and we talked about it in
the last episode.
But I have also realized that,while occasionally vulgarities
fall out of my face, I can'twatch TV shows that do it a lot
Like my, or else you'll pick upon it more.
Not just that, but there'ssomething inside of me that's
just like.
I just shudder and it's weirdand I don't like any movies that
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there's excessive nudity andthings like that, which is weird
.
And again, that's part of theHoly Spirit working on that.
I talk about this a lot when Ipreach because I think people
don't quite understand how thebrain works for men and women
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and how different it is, but menare tempted with their eyes,
like we want to see where, we'reexcited by things that we see
Visual Right, which is whypornography is such a hot button
for men and things like that.
Like that doesn't typicallywork for women because they need
touch, like yeah, that's whatexcites a woman.
So there's a difference in.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
There's two words that I'm thinking of, because
I've heard it too Like womenneed the time and like but men
it's like bah, yes, right,exactly yes, there's two words
that they compare and I justcan't think what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, what I was talking about has absolutely
eluded me at this point.
The point that I was trying tomake there.
It was about the things that wewatch, things like that, just
how like I know that watchingthose things creates that like
weird trigger in your brain.
And so like.
And the Bible tells us that ifwe look lustfully, then we have
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already sinned.
And so you know, avoid that atall cost.
But yeah, and so you know,avoid that at all costs.
But yeah, I have a uniqueperspective on the Holy Spirit
that I want to challenge youguys with.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think that the Holy Spirit encompasses the
prophetic yeah Right, so thinkabout it Somebody like Holly who
is incredibly prophetic, isvery connected to the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Right, Mm?
Think about it.
Somebody like Holly, who isincredibly prophetic, is very
connected to the Holy spiritright.
I have a relationship withChrist.
I nothing wrong with myrelationship with Christ, but I
am not as prophetic as she mightbe.
I don't think the propheticlives in everybody.
No, I can operate in it when ithappens, like don't get me
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wrong.
Last Sunday man, if you werehere last Sunday dude, like I
was like it was something.
Something happened abouthalfway through worship and I
just lost it.
Like I was like all right, wegot to go.
I said to sis, I'm like prayermusic after this, like I got
something to say.
So and I never interruptworship.
So I step into the pulpit, Isay what I need to say, step
back out.
They played what one more song?
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And I'm like all right, I gotto deliver the word.
Like this is like it's got tohappen right now and so I start
preaching and it just was likepouring out of me and I got
probably five or six people werelike, hey, great sermon, hey,
good job.
I'm like none of that was me.
That was one of those, right,but that was like a very
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prophetic very high, like thatwas probably more prophetic than
it was apostolic.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I tend to operate more in the apostle than I do in
the prophetic, but I think whenyou uh, I will say chase, and I
don't mean that in a derogatoryway, but when you chase the
Holy Spirit, you tend to be moreprophetic, and when you are
prophetic you desire to chasethe Holy Spirit because- Wait,
say that again.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
That was a lot to just say it again.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So when you are prophetic, you tend to chase the
Holy.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And I don't remember how I said it, so we'll have to.
If you want to hear that again,go back and listen to it again
Again, that was prophetic.
That was not me saying that.
So I believe, genuinely believe, that there are people who
desire to have a closerconnection with the Holy Spirit
not then with Jesus, but like Iknow that I can see into the
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heavenlies.
And that sounds weird to somepeople listening, but it is a
thing Like there are people whocan, like they visualize things
in their head.
Then they say it to somebody,like an apostle or whatever, and
they're able to say, oh, thatvision that you saw represents
this thing.
And so Holly and I have been onthis kick about rusty gates
(06:26):
Bizarre.
She's like she had a dreamabout a rusty gate and it just
starts to swing open and yada,yada, yada.
And then she comes back to meabout when Paul and Silas are in
prison and they're singingpraises and the gates swing open
wide and their captor is setfree, he is saved.
So like this whole thing.
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And then I'm thinking in thebook of Revelation they talk
about the gates and the gatesthat surround the city, and I'm
like there is something in thisand so we're like trying to put
it all together, but that'soperating in the prophetic,
which is much different thanjust reading the Bible and
trying to write a sermon.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I think that the prophetic there will always be a
closer connection to a move ofthe Spirit, and we know that the
gift of speaking in tongues isfrom the Holy Spirit and that
tends to be prophetic, right.
Yeah, so weird connection, butthat's just how I've always
viewed the Holy Spirit.
That is the prophetic.
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Now, that doesn't mean he's notall of the other things,
because you know, we know thatthe Holy Spirit is omnipresent,
we know that God is, you knoweverywhere, that we are, you
know, we know that heunderstands and has designed all
of the things.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
But but it's not Holly, it's the Holy Spirit.
Correct, correct it's the HolySpirit.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's what we always say.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's who usually speaks to Dave, it's the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But here's what I want to say about that and,
coming off of a very propheticconference, I think this needs
to be said.
Prophetic words are spoken overa lot of people about a lot of
situations and a lot of thingsin their lives, and I'm going to
also tell you when I'm donewith this why I don't trust the
prophetic sometimes.
Okay, we have to understandthat those prophetic words are
in season and that means that ifa prophetic word is spoken to
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you today, let's say that youknow.
Pastor Valerie Swisher was hereand fantastic, she's a
prophetess.
I've seen her build as anapostle.
A prophet like in Florence wasthe same way.
She could operate in all thethings.
She's just picker lane today,but she let's let's assume that
she prophesies.
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That prophesies that I'm goingto open another church, that
we're going to have a secondchurch.
It doesn't mean that's today,it doesn't mean it's tomorrow.
That may be 10 years down theroad.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And if that were to happen for you, would you start,
you know, planning it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If she said that to me, no, I wouldn't.
Here's what I would say,because I also know that my life
is in season.
I know that where I'm at iswhere I'm supposed to be, and I
would say God, should it be yourwill, allow that to happen.
And if I got a call and theysaid hey, the Cambridge church
is floundering and we need youto save?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
it Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, this is potentially, potentially that
prophetic word coming to pass,and so I'm going to lean into it
, but I'm not going to hang myhat on it yeah.
Right, right, because the reasonthat I don't always trust the
prophetic is sometimes peoplesay things in the prophetic that
they don't understand, like Iwould never tell somebody.
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One time somebody prophesiedover Alyssa and I that we were
going to have another baby and Ilaughed because I was like that
ain't going to happen, like itcan't happen physically, can't
happen in our life.
But then after we thought aboutthat long term, I mean that
could have meant adoption, thatcould have meant even birthing,
something in the church.
That could have been likeanother type of ministry or
another style of ministry.
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And I'll be honest, like theElvis thing came to pass really
after that.
So maybe that's it, like it'sanother form of ministry.
We don't always know what itmeans and we don't clearly
convey that to somebody.
Because when they spoke that, Ilaughed because I was like
we're not having another baby, aphysical baby that cries and
you have to run.
We're not having one of those,it's not possible.
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And so I looked at that andthen what was the first thing I
thought about that person.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
They're crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
This is false prophecy, which is a very
dangerous place to be, and thenyou have to question whether or
not you trust them, and so thereare a lot of people that I
question.
And it's not a bad thing,because I don't think we should
ever just blindly believesomething that somebody says to
us.
We should study it out and weshould understand it, but we
also have to understand thatsometimes people will say things
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to us that aren't necessarilyin season in our lives, but that
has maybe something down theroad.
Yeah, I think it's important tounderstand what the prophetic
actually is and how it actuallyworks.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But everything has to play for that to come in.
Sure, you have to continue yourwalk with the Lord.
You have to begin to.
I think we talked about this,you know, the seeds planted.
It's got to grow.
It's got to be pruned.
It's got to be, it's got togrow well, it's got to be pruned
, it's got to be taken care offor that gift to yeah, come out.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Last sunday.
When I got really fired upbecause you weren't here last
sunday, said nick, you weren'there last sunday because you
were dealing with your, yourwife who was feeling so well.
He was a little down I became.
I had this righteous angerabout people not planting their
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roots, about people chasingblessings but they can't even
plant their roots in order fortheir blessing to be watered.
You know so many people and Idon't mean in this church or I
don't mean, but the people comefor the prophetic and when
somebody speaks into you likeyou're going to start your own
ministry, you're going to dothis, that or the other more,
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whatever the case may be, andthen you chase that blessing by
jumping from this church to thatchurch, from that church to
this church, from this ministryto that ministry, and I'm going
to do this event and that eventYou're going to walk in the door
and just say hey, you're here,we want you to do this.
It doesn't work like that.
You have to plant, you have toput roots in the ground, those
roots have to be watered, youhave to get a little bit of
miracle grow, you have to beloved and the hardest part, beth
(12:17):
.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Beth said this to me on the phone.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I was like holy smokes.
You're going to have to be toldyou can't do that.
You can't be that way, youcan't act that way, you can't do
these things.
And if you choose to beoffended and you pull up your
roots and try to plant somewhereelse, you're going to die.
It's not going to work Becauseyou're doing it out of season
and it's such a hard thing toget people to understand because
we're not planting roots.
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So the prophetic doesn't reallytake place in our lives that
prophecy that's spoken.
We can't be watered, we can'tbe nourished, we can't be fed,
because we're offended that wealso have to be pruned.
Yeah the prophetic's a weirdplace for me.
I don't understand it.
Holly and I we had a very, veryreal conversation on Sunday
after church, very real, and Itold you guys like candor is my
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word this year we're going tohave uncomfortable conversations
and we're just going to do it.
And she gave me so much gracein that conversation Cause I
said I'm going to ask questions.
That might sound offensive, butthat's not my intention.
And we just talked and she said, pastor Michael, just like
sometimes you don't understandme in the prophetic, I don't
understand you in the apostolic.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
She's like sometimes you make a decision that doesn't
make any sense to me, I getthat, and she's like I have to
watch it come to pass.
She's like I don't want toquestion it, but I also need to
understand it to some degree.
And so I think back to like ifI tell you, you hear me.
If I tell you, you hear me, butif I show you, you really
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understand.
Right.
Most people need to be shown whysomething is happening the way
that it is, or what thesituation is, and the prophetic
is very much so that way as well.
So typically in our church, ifthere's a message delivered in
tongues and an interpretation, Istep into the pulpit,
regardless of the time that ithappens, and I explain what just
happened, because I feel likeanybody who is hearing that for
the first time, who hasn'texperienced that before, they
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need to understand it Right.
It's only fair, becauseotherwise you're like these
people have lost their freakingminds and they're all crazy.
Yeah, somebody's over therejabbering out loud and then
somebody else is pretending likethey know what they're saying.
It doesn't make sense, and soyou have to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Now the hardest part is when there's a message in
tongues and no interpretationcomes Right right, but sometimes
that's because the person hasbeen given that interpretation,
chooses not to use it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Chooses not to use it and so that's why I say it gets
tricky, because now we're inthe prophetic.
But my responsibility as thelead pastor and as an apostle is
to make it clear to people whodon't understand it.
Okay, that's my responsibility.
So now I have two options it'sto step into the pulpit and beg
whoever got that word to deliverit, or to say well, what you
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just heard was Roger deliveringthis very prophetic message.
We know Roger loves the Lordand that was something between
Roger and the Lord.
Roger knows that's not true.
I know that's not true, so Idon't want to lie to people.
But at the same time, if thereis no interpretation, that word
is not valid.
And so when somebody getsthe—they have to deliver the
interpretation.
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And I will tell you, there hasnever been a single time, other
than once in this building,where I've ever gotten an
interpretation.
And you know how mad that makesme, you get this epic thing
happen, and here's the one thatI got.
So this is how I know that Ican operate in the prophetic
when I need to.
I don't remember I think it wasEd that delivered a message in
tongues and immediately almostimmediately somebody started
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delivering the interpretationand I knew it was wrong.
I knew it was wrong, I didnothing about it, I let the word
be spoken, I didn't correct itand it was just out there.
Everybody had just heard it andit took a long time for me to
process that.
I had a conversation withsomebody.
They're like oh no, no, no, no.
Like I've been there and I'vejust stepped into the pulpit and
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I just said, hey, that wordthat was delivered, don't
believe that was in season.
Here's what I believe the HolySpirit actually said.
After a long time of thinking,I realized that the person who
delivered it delivered itintentionally divisively.
The message that they deliveredwas to create division in the
body because they were feelingleft out At the time Now.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
they probably don't even go here anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They don't know they don't, they do not.
And here's the thing.
It's really hard to understandthat.
It's really hard to like as apastor, to see somebody leave
the church.
it's really hard, but I'vegotten really good at it
recently because, I'm like I,but I know, even if it is me,
it's not me.
Even if they say that it's me,it's not me.
This is not their season inthis house.
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This is not their season inthis storehouse.
They need to go somewhere elseand be filled up in a different
way, and I believe everybody hasa season in every place that
they go.
There are people who go to somemega churches that aren't.
They should be in a propheticchurch.
They should be in aspirit-filled church because
they have those gifts theychoose that.
That's not what they want.
They want to just live underthe radar.
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They don't want to serve.
Yes, exactly, they don't wantthe Holy Spirit to stir them up.
They don't want any of theprophetic to affect their life.
And then I see some people whoare in a spirit-filled church.
That probably just shouldn't be.
They should probably be in aspirit-filled church.
It probably just shouldn't be.
They should probably be in aslower, quieter environment,
because when the Holy Spiritbreaks out and there's a fire of
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revival taking place, they'resitting back there going well, I
don't believe any of this andthis is just not.
This is.
And now you've become, you'vehad, you have a spectator spirit
and you have a religious spirit, and those are really hard for
a church body to overcome whenyou have somebody sitting there
doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, I will say the first time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, beth was there once.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I went to the conference and they were a lot
of tongues, a lot of prophecygiven, and I'm like I don't know
if this is right or not, andI'm like, lord, this is not
right, you get me out of here.
I'm sitting there, I'm by balland doorway.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I'll make a door.
And he stuck you to the seat,didn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I said, if it's you prove it.
Oh, he proved it.
He pulled me out right now.
Right now and said said youknow, child, you are where
you're supposed to be and that'swhat I'm saying about the
prophetic.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
That's when you know nobody knew that but me.
Yeah, that's when you know thatthat's real.
Yeah, sid, I'm just nowrealizing my wife was supposed
to leave a check she did, oh,she did, okay, you got it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Great, perfect.
But it says Sid, so I'm takingit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
My money now.
She must have been leavingstuff for everybody.
I got a sticker.
Oh, I saw that.
I saw that laying on my counter.
I thought it was for me, though, geez.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Nope, it's for Roslyn , oh, it's not even for me.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, BFF, BFF, BFF, BFF, BFF.
All the way across the backStickers all over.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, love, all over the bottom.
Yeah, love, love love Realquick.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This is completely off topic and if Emmett ever
hears this he'll be absolutelymortified that I told this story
.
Adeline always writes me littlelove notes I love you, daddy,
so so much and she just leavesthem in random places.
And I'm always finding theselittle love notes and I get a
text from Emmett that said hey,look in your cups when you get
home.
Now you use static cups for mylike pain relief and for
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headaches.
So he told me to look there andI was like why Was somebody
playing in them?
Because Easton willoccasionally get them out and
play in them.
And he said no and I said wellthen why would I need to look in
there?
Never answered me, neverthought anything more of it.
I walk in the bedroom and I seemy cups sitting on the end stand
, cause I just used them thenight before.
So I opened the lid and there'sa little card from him just
cute little, and it's a pictureof me and him, um, and he drew a
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dragon on the front of my shirtto look like the dragon
jumpsuit, and it was.
It was a super cute card thathe had hand drawn, but on the
inside it was just so sweet.
Thank you so much for all youdo for me.
I love you so much.
Thank you for spending so muchmoney on my new bedroom.
Just this, like, and I'm likeyou, like how you can't you
can't bribe a kid to do thesethings, like I'll spend another
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$30,000.
But it's like you know what Imean.
Mean like it, just it.
There's just something aboutthat.
But then again, that's how weknow we're raising our children
yes, right, yes he doesn't knowhow much that bedroom costs, but
he knows it's not cheap.
He knows it costs a lot of moneyoh, he's doing the bedroom in
the basement he's getting thebedroom in the basement correct,
so he's getting that.
It's a huge bedroom.
It's bigger than allison'sbedroom.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's stupid but yeah, maggie did something similar.
I think it was for my birthday.
She wrote me this big long Bestgift you can ever get.
I thought I was blown away.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Especially you being the stepdad, you know, best gift
you can ever get I'm like hey,I said she just raised the bar,
everybody has a better stepdad.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yep, yep, yep, yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah, my son was never one tosay I love you and I called him
out on it one time when he was ateenager, probably a junior in
high school, and I went out tomy car that morning to leave for
work and he had a card outthere on my windshield and
flowers and I'm like, okay, heloves me, he just doesn't say it
.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It is weird.
Let's just cover that realquick.
Because for men it is weird.
Because for men it is weirdLike we can say it usually to
our spouses, but even saying itto our kids is a little bit
challenging, because there comesa point where it's like I can't
show that emotion because Ialso need to, I need to assert
some level of authority, I needto be dad, I need to be strong.
And then we definitely don'tsay it to one another, right,
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like that's not a thing.
We don't say it to our friends.
Right, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And if we do, I think you and I say love you every
time we're signing up.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, okay, but see, now we just I was just getting
ready to say this I believe,genuinely believe there's an
inherent difference betweensaying love you and I love you,
right.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, yeah, oh absolutely Love you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I could say that to anybody.
I'd say that to you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Or at the Family Dollar.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Or at the Family Dollar.
Oh, did I tell you guys aboutthe Family Dollar?
What's?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
our Family Dollar episode update.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
There is a slight update, so I don't I this is
Wait, I gotta tell everyone youjust moved your.
My microphone with my knife.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
With his phone.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So my wife went into the dollar store the other day.
She walks.
She walks in, goes and gets herstuff, goes to the counter and
the lady goes oh, are youmichael's wife?
I have no idea who this lady is, okay.
So my wife goes, I am, and shegoes oh, you guys just bought
one of the new houses.
And she said yes, and she'slike is yours?
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You're the one that you did.
You guys have a bidding war onyour house.
We paid over asking for ourhouse.
The reason we paid over askingwas they covered a large portion
of our closing costs, so wefinanced closing basically.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
But let's say that is very common right now.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yes, certainly In the market.
Yes because-.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
That's nothing crazy going on.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And here's the reason that we opted to do that was
because when you buy a brand newhouse that doesn't exist, they
estimate your taxes really,really high, and so we knew that
that tax bill was going to becrazy high.
So we overpaid but we were ableto finance basically the
closing costs so we weren'tlosing our equity that we had
from the old house.
Okay, so they assumed that therewas a bidding war on our house,
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which she said.
I didn't correct them and shejust went about her day.
She calls me immediately.
She's like I swear, do you makea name for yourself everywhere?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
that you go.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I said, it just kind of happened.
I have no idea who the lady is.
I don't know which one of themit is.
I don't know how she knows me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You will realize in that small community they will
figure out how many times youflush your toilet.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She said to Alyssa she's like, yeah, it's kind of
good being in a small town.
The bad news is, everybodyknows your business.
And I said business and I saidto a list I said you know what
it had to have been beth thathad to have walked in there and
said something about me.
This is the only because Ican't think of another reason
that they would know me.
But they do not talk about whatthey do?
I mean there's facebook now,guys yeah, but still, how are
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they gonna look me up onfacebook?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
it's a small town.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
They know like they just gonna go through all the
pictures until they find onethat looks like me, probably Go
through the address.
No, not on Facebook.
I guess they could have lookedat who bought that property.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
When you take a picture of something to see like
oh yeah, Reverse image searchCan you do that to a person's
face.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, certainly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh, my daughter can find anybody for any.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh, alyssa did that for me, so if I took a picture
of your face, you could do areverse Google image search and
it would try to match it withsomebody else and likely here's
what you would find for me.
If you did that, you would findeven if you search organic
church.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm not bragging about this, but my Elvis article
is the first thing that pops upand so the first picture you
see of me me in a jumpsuit,standing in the pulpit one of
the beauticians that works withfreaks people out had just moved
to the yurixville area andshe's like I need to find a
church and she's like we need,you know, to check out my mom's
church and then she's like nopeno, so she, she googled it and
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she's like your mom's preacheris elvis you know that drew a
lot of controversy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was so surprised by it, with how offended people
were by it.
It was because of the way theytitled the article, which I wish
I would have had some say inthat Filled with the spirit of
Elvis, and so people didn't evenread the article.
They assumed that, like we werepreaching some weird Elvis
gospel.
Like every Sunday, right Then Iwear a jumpsuit and so, like
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anybody who read the article,was very clear and I said that
those two worlds never cross.
Like I make an Elvis joke,every whip stitch and whatnot,
but those two worlds don't cross.
I don't preach in a jumpsuit,I'm not like it's.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, it's two different lives or not, elvis,
you'll sing a.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Steven song once in a while.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh my gosh, oh oh.
They didn't even have to try toconvince him, he just did it.
And that is not true.
It is not Like I tried to go onand it was not happening, like
that was.
I wasn't going to preachanother word, because you and
Margie were probably the twoworst.
You're like oh, just do it.
Just do it.
If you listen to the livestream, you can hear the two of
you saying it.
You can hear the two of yousaying it.
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It was hilarious and I wasprepped for it because I knew
once I went there, because Itold Alyssa, I told Alyssa.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You were already there.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, and it was in the plan.
But Alyssa was like no, youreally shouldn't.
And I was like you know what,if they make a fuss, I'll just
do it and it'll be fun and yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You're like, please make a fuss.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I just love how you slipped the microphone out of my
back pocket.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What's funny is because my lapel microphone is
not conditioned for singing, andso I told Dan Lumpstick I'm
going to take my handheld justin case.
And so I had it in my backpocket the whole time.
I was pretty confident that itwas going to happen, but at the
same time I was like ah, and Itold Roger at the beginning I'm
not going to if it doesn'thappen, I'm not just going to
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force it.
I was glad that it did becauseit was fun.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
We had visitors that morning too, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yes, we did.
And they stopped me afterwardsand said we absolutely loved
that because it brought somegreat humor.
I had one girl tell me I cried,I laughed, I cried some more, I
laughed, some more, and thenthey never came back.
Like three weeks they were heretwo weeks in a row.
Haven't been back since.
So oh no, here we are.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Here we are.
Did you pull out the snakestory that day too?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Probably, probably, probably.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yeah.
Well listen, because years agothat's what I heard about this
church.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Oh that we had snakes .
Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And that you beat people up in the parking lot if
you didn't speak in tongues.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I mean that only happened once or twice.
That's how Vicky Hickey gotslain in the spirit.
We beat her up in the parkinglot.
I heard so.
Yeah, we beat her up in theparking lot and we're like
you're going to learn it now Ofall people.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
That's right Right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't know, I think she could take me.
I don't know, I think she couldtake me.
I'm just being honest.
She might have a trick hip, butI think she could take me.
That's why you're nice to her.
I know I'm afraid of her, right, she's one of the sweetest
people I've ever met in myentire life.
Love her so much.
She texted me the other day andsaid I just want you to know I
appreciate you and love you, andI'm like aw.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
She fun fact.
Did you know she was fromBethel when I was there?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I did not, so we've known each other a long time I
did not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's neat.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Now she's like I saw you grow up.
Now I'm seeing you have a baby.
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh goodness, okay.
So let's hop back to theprophetic, because I think
that's important.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, you, know, within a few weeks of going to
this church, florence came up tome and she says I can't wait to
hear you preach someday.
I thought you're nuts.
I'm like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Isn't it?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
annoying that she knew things.
She did that to me, not that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
No, you hardly know me, it's just the way she would
look at you.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That was the thing with her.
You were like don't make eyecontact.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
She just had this way of looking at you You're
thinking you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But then you're looking her in the eye.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She's very confident about what she said.
She could almost melt you justa little bit.
She was very sweet, very soft,but very direct she's never even
heard me speak before.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
What is she talking about?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I had a really cool Holy Spirit moment with her.
This is one of those healingstories that people are like oh
you're crazy.
This is legitimate, 100%legitimate.
This actually happened to meand I would have never believed
it if it didn't happen to me, ifsomebody else told me this
story.
So I completely understand ifnobody believes me.
I was living in Cleveland at thetime and I had broken off one
of my teeth towards the back.
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Eating banana, laffy, taffy,split the tooth in half, pulled
it out, nerve exposed, wickedpain.
But I was tolerating it becauseI couldn't afford to go to the
dentist.
It didn't have extra income,but I was miserable with this
tooth and she called me one daywhen I was in Cleveland.
I was at the house and shecalled me and I don't remember
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what she would.
She wanted something like wewere having a conversation about
something and she said are youokay?
I said no.
I said my, you know, I'm havinga little bit of pain in my
tooth.
And she's like okay, well, I'll, I'll pray about it.
And I was like all right, Iappreciate that.
She's like no, no, we're goingto do it right now.
And she I'm not kidding whileshe was praying, pain gone
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immediately.
I'm like this lady's crazy andI've known her for a long time,
been through all the stuff withher, but you don't think of
things like that.
But I wasn't like she couldn'thave known that I was in pain by
the way I was talking like, orthe conversation we were having,
but just something told herthat she needed to pray for me,
that she needed to ask me thatquestion and she needed to pray
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for me.
It's just bizarre the stuffthat the Holy spirit can, can do
.
And I always tell people thereis no distance in healing, like
if just because you don't comeup front for healing on a Sunday
morning, like just know thatwe're praying for that healing,
because it can happen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Right.
If it was really prophetic,though, she could have told me
to be a little more concise,except she could have gave me.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I'll say, you know, when she gave me my word, like
she wasn't always rainbows andbutterflies.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
My word was hey, your life's about to change.
I don't know if it's going tobe good or bad, but just be
ready for it.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh, dear Lord, what does this mean?
The one thing that I alwaysloved about her, too, is she was
one of the few people in thisworld that never took my crap.
Never took it, didn't.
There was no such thing as anexcuse.
They didn't exist in her worldand it didn't matter if it was
legitimate.
I got hit by a bus.
I'm sorry I can't be at churchon Sunday.
She's like, no, you to be hereand we're going to pray for you.
She's like wheel yourself intothe hospital bed.
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You need to be here Exactly.
And when she was the pastorhere, you were here.
If you served in ministry, anyarea, so, like this team, if you
were on worship, if you workedin nursery, whatever it may be,
when the building was open, youwere here.
You were here on Saturday nightfor prayer, you were here on.
What did we do Tuesday?
Friday that was Tuesday wasprayer, worship practice.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
No, it was worship practice, worship practice, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So we had worship practice on Tuesday.
So I'm thinking of my life andwhat we were doing, but you were
here basically Tuesday night,wednesday night, saturday night,
sunday morning, and it was notan excuse to not be here.
And I'm going to tell you what.
If she was ever upset with you,you knew it and she was honest
with you.
Oh yeah, when you get to churchyou sit, you don't work.
That didn't mean stay home onSunday.
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Your butt better be here ontime and you're going to sit,
You're going to take the wordand you're going to do something
with it.
I mean, that's basically whatit felt like.
I'll never forget the one timeit happened to me.
I was mortified.
I was like I didn't feel likewhat I did was wrong, but I was
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being punished for it.
But it was never like apunishment, Like you're in
trouble.
It was like you need to take abreak, you need to refocus,
redirect and then we can talkabout where this is going to be
on a spiritual mindset, yes,business, yes Like it was very.
She was very direct about whatshe expected, how she expected
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you to behave.
I remember one time it was thevery first sermon I ever wrote-
by the way.
I had this wild idea I had goneto the bathroom after worship,
which I always did.
I'd sneak out, go to thebathroom, then I would come back
in because I would chug likethree bottles of water during
worship.
I would come back in and I hadgotten like this like oh, this
passage of scripture, I want towrite it down.
So I snuck into what is now thecafe used to be a little
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library and I snuck in there andI wrote on a sticky note and I
looked up the scripture and Istuck it in the Bible and I was
like, oh well, that matches withthis and this walked back in
and after service she stopped meand she said hey, where were
you?
I said I went to the bathroomand then I like I was catching
some scripture that was poppinginto my brain and I went to
write it.
And she goes never again.
She said if you need to use thebathroom, that's fine, but you
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come right back and I was like,okay, like there was just an
order and you just followedorder.
Like that wasn't games, itwasn't like.
This is something that'scurrently happening that you
know.
We haven't made an adjustmentto children's ministry in our
building because we don't haveenough volunteers at this point,
and so it is.
I don't remember the ages, butit's up to fifth grade is the
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highest grade that we have for akid's class for right now.
Anybody above that stays in thesanctuary.
There are some people who don'tlike that and they still try to
send their kids who are too oldfor that classroom back to that
classroom.
I'm going to tell you what ifyou'd have done that with her,
she'd have dragged your kid backin herself.
I watched her snatch my kids upoff the floor.
I can't tell you how many times.
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Poor Blake.
One time I thought she wasgoing to kill him.
This is not a joke.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
We were doing worship , Listen we were doing worship.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We're doing worship and we're up front and we're
singing.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And I see her, her grandson.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Great Was it great, great grandson yeah, great
grandson, she's raising him.
So he's living in her house andI see her leave the front row.
She was always in the front row, always Okay, because she
wanted to be able to tell youthis, which means, do it one
more time, she'd swirl herfinger.
Keep going, don't stop.
So I am full-blown worship modeand I open my eyes and she's
gone, and so now I'm scanningthe sanctuary trying to find the
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lady and I see her making abeeline to Blake and I
immediately Lord whatever it isthat she's going to do just
allow it to be tactful, lord.
I just thank you for his lifeand, lord, I pray that you just
allow him to live, to seeanother day.
And I mean, I'm not joking Likethis is real life happening in
my brain while we're doingworship.
He's sitting down with his armsfolded and his head is on the
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chair in front of him, so likehe's like sleeping.
She snatches him out of thatchair and stands him up like
sleeping.
She snatches him out of thatchair and stands him up and you
can't hear her telling him, butyou can know there's noise,
there's ruckus and I'm like Idon't know what to do.
Worship is almost over.
We're going to sing it againbecause we can't stop at this
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point, because I'm like she'sgoing to beat him to death.
I don't want this, but it wasvery much so.
Like this is how we operate.
I remember.
I remember that I was soterrified for him, so terrified
for him, but just it's.
It was the expectation.
But she also believed that whenwe were out of sync and we had
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people who were spectator spiritor we had people who had spirit
of religion and things likethat were happening in the
building, that the spirit wasn'tmoving.
And if the spirit wasn't moving, we had a dead word.
And if that word wasn't beingplanted in our hearts, if we
weren't take, then what was thepoint of being here?
Right, like she was very, verymuch so.
She knew how she wanted it done.
It was one of the the thingsthat I loved about her the most
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was she just didn't take my crap, so I couldn't tell her what,
what God said, could she?
Oh, he did, did he?
What's your confirmation?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, he didn't run this by me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, that's basically what she would say
Listen, remember that he toldher that I was going to preach
before he told me I was going topreach.
So apparently he also knew thepecking order.
I don't know.
He let her know before he letme know, but it was.
She was again.
There was nothing wrong, in myopinion, with how she did it,
but it was a very strict like.
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This is just how we do ministry.
And you didn't.
You didn't play around with itand it worked.
It was.
Church was built in 1982 by herfamily's hands and here it
still stands in full operation.
Her name is out on the frontsign.
You can't make a ministrysurvive that long.
We talked about finances.
(37:12):
This church should not survivebased on the numbers.
It shouldn't still be openbased on the numbers, but it
still survives.
It survives because we fullyrely on god in all things and
just we know that he's going tomake it happen.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Holy spirit you are welcome okay, sorry, I've been
all right if it had been just alittle bit of music there.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean, or maybe like if I would have sang
it on key too, that yeah, well,would have been helpful.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, you was pretty low.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's okay.
It's okay, we'll let it slidethis time.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Next time.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I'm getting fired Next time you're getting fired.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, next time I'm getting fired.
Anybody else have any funthoughts?
We're live.
By the way, on the Sabbath, theother episode, our last episode
, is live.
I'm like we've been live itjust.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I'm like we've been live Populated, so we'll see how
many people listen to thatepisode.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Our viewers have been down a little bit.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
I'm a little nervous about that I think it's because
we've been pre-recording.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I agree with you.
I said that because peopleanticipate, like Now.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
What's going on with you?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Correct, correct, so we might have to shake it up a
bit Correct, so we might have toshake it up a bit.
Yeah, go back to the Well,because the purpose was for
anybody who's listening andwants to know this.
The purpose was we're all verybusy and so sometimes we're like
on a Wednesday night we justcan't be here, and so we didn't
want to go without a message ona Wednesday night because of
that.
Our goal is basically 52episodes a year, one episode a
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week, all year long, no breaks,just all in, and so we wanted to
record a couple of extras sothat we'd have a buffer in case
we had to miss one.
We would still have episodes torecord, but now we've got
really four in the bank, quote,unquote, so we could go back to
releasing that days and thenthese ones these four could be
(38:59):
the fill-ins if we were to needthem.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
so that's kind of what I was thinking when you had
given the idea that wasoriginally my plan as well.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
The hard part is keeping track of them and
finding a place that they canlive Right.
So that's the hard part, whichI think we can fix that.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Because they can't be getting bored.
No, no, they could be going.
I don't know what these peopleare talking about.
That's a valid argument.
Like that are crazy, very validargument.
But I'll be honest, we've had62 downloads in the last 30 days
, which is, again thinking aboutthis tiny little.
That's more people than that'smore people than attend church
on sunday.
Yeah, right, like yeah, 62people listening to this and,
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honestly, we have the podcastfrom the sunday morning services
that gets listened to prettywell.
Not great great, but it wasnever intended to be a popular
podcast, more so for anybody whomisses a Sunday to have the
opportunity to go back andlisten.
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
You think maybe some of our listeners are listening
to that instead of.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
No, because that is a much lower listening than this
one.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I enjoy listening to that during the week at work.
Listening to it again, I alwaysget something else.
There's something new.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Right, because you get fixated on one part of the
message and so then you mightmiss another part.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When I'm taking notes it's like, oh, what else did he
say?
What did?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
he just say, like that thing that I said in the
last episode, that was veryprophetic, but I couldn't say it
again if I wanted to.
So far since we've startedpublishing, we've had 1,743
downloads.
So I mean we got excited whenwe hit 1,000.
And so I mean it's definitelydriving Is there an achievement
for 1,750?
.
I don't think so.
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I don't think so either.
I just wanted to look realquick.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
They gave you like little ribbons or something.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Here's what.
Maybe this is what's happening.
Maybe everybody is just behinda couple of weeks.
You think, yeah, because weactually on season three,
episode one, which was balancingtradition, technology and
togetherness, has 17 downloads.
Then on the 15th it's at eight.
And then what is your faithlineage, which it was last
week's episode, is at 10.
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And so it's almost like we getthere, because we're usually in
that 20-ish range, but it'salmost like everybody's behind,
because even our new yearspecial was a total flop.
Our christmas special totalflop.
Uh, holiday grief did well,which was me, and alissa's.
That one was fun, um fun.
Yeah, I shouldn't say that mywife cried through the whole
(41:22):
thing Like she felt terrible forher, but cause I didn't prep
her for it, she didn't tell heranything about it.
We just went for it, we walked,we walk into the studio.
I'm like, hey, we're going to,we're going to record and it was
good though.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Right, Like it was real life stuff of mine for
years years.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Anytime I'd hear his name, I'd cry and break down.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
That's grief.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, don't let anybody tell you you have to
grieve a certain way.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, and crying is okay, it doesn't.
It's not going to hurt anybody,like I'm not going to be hurt
if you cry.
Now, if I fire you and you cry,I'm going to tell you to turn
off the water, off thewaterworks?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm not firing you.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I'm just telling you that you're fired.
I'm informing you that you havefired yourself.
That's basically what'shappening.
So, yeah, maybe we'll go backto those live episodes and see
what we can do.
You know what I was thinkingabout doing?
Another fun thing to do wouldbe to put a camera in here
somewhere and actually they cansee our faces.
When, once, some sometime, whenwe do it like old school, when
(42:23):
we actually were live live likewhile we were talking, people
were hearing, I'd say I think weought to have phone
conversations too we could dothat.
Now, the hard part about phoneconversations is people can't
just call in because I have to,like my phone has to be muted
because every notification I get, every you know work
notification to get, is going toring through.
So it would have to be likekind of almost preplanned
conversations.
(42:43):
But I love doing that.
With Dale, yeah, other than wecouldn't see his face so he
didn't know when we were tryingto talk.
And Dale, just he just likes totalk man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
The one podcast that I normally listen to.
I've I know their faces like,but I never watch them.
And some people like peoplejust watch them and how they
talk, and I I did that thismorning and I think it was weird
like, because I just wouldalways listen.
But you know, even just liketheir faces, like when the other
one's talking, and they're likeyeah, you know, and I'm like
(43:12):
well like when I pushed mymicrophone in with my nose
nobody saw that
Speaker 4 (43:17):
what do you say?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
you think you listen to him so long, you, you?
Speaker 5 (43:20):
you have a thing I know.
I feel like they're my bestfriend, okay, and I'm like but
then when you see him, you'relike oh, I don't look, anything
you do that with radio hosts allthe time.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh yeah, well, roger's son.
I got to meet roger's son whenroger was in the hospital so he
had been listening to ourpodcast.
I'd never met him before.
So I go into the hospital, meethe and linda his son and linda
in waiting room, and I walk inand I sit down.
I was like hey, where are we?
Like she's like oh, he justwent back to prep whatever.
Yada, yada, yada.
And she introduces me to Richand Rich says oh, I know him, I
(43:51):
listened to the podcast.
And he says to Roger later Ilook nothing like what he
anticipated me looking like.
And I would guess, just becausewe talk about Elvis so much,
you expect the big sideburns andthe hair.
Yeah.
Yeah, the mutton chops and thebig hair, and yeah, it's just
not.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
You expect me to walk around in jumpsuits all the
time, right?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, so I don't know .
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, okay, I think we've covered it.
Have we covered it?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
When we're praying for wisdom, you know, and then
you hear something.
Or you're in a service or youhear something and you get that
discernment that it's just notthe truth or it's not right, or
yes you know, I've only evergotten some true discernment a
couple times.
But, you know, and it's like forme, I'm like am I hearing this
right?
Yeah, you know, should I bethinking the way that I'm
(44:47):
thinking, you know?
But then it was like, after theservice, it was like, oh, three
of us had the exact same yeah,we got a problem.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, we have a problem, nobody else.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Nobody else had that discernment but, three of us had
that exact same discernment andI'm like, okay, yes, yeah, yeah
, so and I.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's why, anytime I deliver a message and this I
it's not often that I don't saythis I always, lord, let this be
of you, not of me.
Any word that I speak that itis not of you, allow it to fall
dead to the floor before itreaches the ears of those who
are listening.
And the reason I do that isbecause I am not going to get it
right every time.
Sometimes you're going to getthe gospel according to Michael,
and that's not okay.
I should never be interpretingthe Bible for you.
(45:26):
I should be reading the wordfor you, I should be delivering
the word to you, and so thatsometimes is a challenge, and so
I don't ever want that to bethe case.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
We'll backpedal and make sure that all the listeners
know it was not this it wasn't,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
The other thing that I would say, though, is like,
even when you listen to thepodcast, like the old messages,
you need to listen to the wholething, because sometimes I say
something that is controversialat the beginning intentionally
in order to build to the pointat the end, and I will say last
Sunday, I made a comment in themiddle of my sermon that I had
to, like, walk back in themoment because I was like that
came out wrong.
(46:00):
That is not what I meant, but Ithink everybody gave me a lot
of great.
It was bad.
It was.
It wasn't intentionally bad, itlike wasn't offensive or
anything, but if somebody tookthat clip and put it on the
internet, they'd be like can youbelieve?
This pastor said this and itwould be a thing, and it was
(46:22):
obviously.
It's your turn to pray, myfriend.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Lord, thank you for bringing us all together again.
We're so thankful that we arenow in our third season together
and we're just thankful forevery opportunity that we have
to bring you closer to everybody, all of our listeners.
Just always help us always havethe Holy Spirit as part of our
(46:49):
relationship with you and justalways help us to be on the
lookout for when that Spirit ismeant to drive us towards
something better, to help uscommunicate more in fellowship,
and just always help us drive tojust be more in fellowship and
just always help us strive tojust be more in discernment with
you and just always be lookingfor what your true word is
(47:10):
supposed to be and how it issupposed to lead us.
I pray that everybody will gethome safely tonight and I'll be
really excited to get back herenext week.
I say all these things in yourprecious name, amen.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Amen.
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