Which Human Quality Do You Find the Most Interesting?

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Join us this week during a thought-provoking exploration of the unique human qualities that connect us to our Creator. Whatever challenges you face, remember that your dreams, your body's healing, and your spiritual senses all reflect divine design working in your life.

We dive deep into the biblical significance of dreams, examining how figures like Joseph and Daniel received pivotal communications through their nighttime visions. Daniel's apocalyptic dreams, recorded nearly 600 years before Christ, contained remarkable prophecies that would later align with New Testament revelations. 

The conversation expands beyond dreams to explore other uniquely human qualities that reflect divine design. We discuss the body's remarkable self-healing mechanisms—how a splinter works its way out, wounds form protective scabs, and cells regenerate without conscious effort. This innate healing ability parallels spiritual restoration and points toward intelligent creation.

We also examine the concept of "spiritual ears"—our capacity to hear God's voice not through physical sound but through inner conviction, scripture, and circumstances. As Jesus said, "My sheep listen to my voice. I know them and they follow me" (John 10:27). This spiritual hearing requires attunement but allows divine guidance in our daily lives.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I lost my cheat sheet .

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I had this come in here earlier.
I'm digging a little.
I'm going to be antisocial.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
We are on your cheat sheet for today.
Yeah Well, what is the?
What did your cheat sheet say?
Goodness?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh, it just had the Bible verses on there for.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
For what we're going to talk about, For your unique
peculiar.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I've battled different things and then I
threw something.
I was talking to Pastor Hollyand she threw something out.
I'm like that's it Do then.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
So our topic today is what kind of qualities or what
type of quality?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
of all the unique human or peculiar human
qualities that god has given us,which ones do you find the most
interesting or kind of strikesyour curiosity?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
oh, you didn't add all of that in your text, and I
feel like you stole, youdefinitely stole the best one, I
think.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, I was just driving, I wasn't even thinking
about it, wasn't trying tofigure out topics, I was just
driving and it hit me like boom.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
See, that would have never been good for me, because
I don't remember.
I'll know that I dreamed, orhad a dream but I can never
remember anything of that dream.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's weird because since you sent that, I've been
remembering my dreams and Inever do, and I'm like that is
weird.
Maybe it's just myself-conscious, like hey, I'm
over here, I can actuallyremember.
But yeah, for those of you whocan't figure, it out.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I just pulled that one down out of the air.
It's like yeah, that's aninteresting one it is Because
there's a lot of little thingsthat God gives us that you know
he doesn't give.
I mean, yeah, I guess animalsmaybe sometimes dream that maybe
they're chasing that hot dog, Idon't know.
Yeah, I went on a whalewatching tour.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
While I was up in Massachusetts, we went up to new
hampshire and did a whalewatching tour.
Well, those whales were just,they were chasing those fish.
Let me tell you that's cool,that would be fun.
I didn't even realize you coulddo that up there.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, it was real fun so yeah, I saw a dolphin like
I've never seen a dolphin thatclose, you know, when the waves
are crashing down, but like thatlast wave, like at the clear
edge of you know, basically onthe sand, this dolphin was like
hanging out there, just I mean,and it was okay, like it would

(02:32):
just swim out and then come.
And it was saturday, so it'skind of turnover day for
everyone except us, because wewent sunday to sunday so the
beach was like empty, so I can.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Well, of course, it's no wonder that, yeah, deciding
to do it, you know today we sawa pod of dolphins as well while
we were out, and she said theywere the Atlantic white dolphins
and she said they're very rareto be seen and they give birth
in July.
So the baby they were likethree feet long.
Oh my gosh, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So they were with their mamas, or whatever, they
must all give birth around July,because the baby sea turtles
were crazy.
Where were you at Englewood, soit's kind of by Venice.
Sarasota is where we flew intoand then we drove like almost an
hour south.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I wondered, when I saw as many shark teeth as you
found, if you were near.
Venice somewhere.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I seen those and I'm like, yeah, I'm not getting in
that water right.
It's crazy too because I hadbought a sifter.
Because, like the first day Iwas actually, I was looking for
beach glass and I looked downI'm like, oh my gosh, are these
shark teeth?
Because they were everywhereand I grab.
I'm like no way.
So I send a picture.
In our group chat you know ourfamily chat I said, oh, I'm
winning.
You know four, four of them.
I found tonight like who's next, and so I went and bought a
sifter next day or something.

(03:51):
But you were better off, likechase and my brother-in-law he
was.
They were out there siftingthrough the sand like deep.
You were just better off on thebeach looking.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, it was crazy but those baby turtles, they, oh
my gosh.
When last year when I went atclayton and emma yeah where is
there?
I they're like they're near theannamarie annabelle island so
when we went out early morningto walk, I always went out early
and bennett wanted to go withme and we got out there and I

(04:21):
don't know that the people thatlike watch for the baby yeah,
babies, and uh, oh yeah like hadme go get his sand there.
And I don't know that thepeople that like watch for the
baby yeah, babies, and oh, yeah,like had me go get his sand
bucket and showed him how to putthem in there and take them to
the water and put them in.
Oh, that's so sweet.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was so neat yeah, I, I saw a couple girls like
every morning.
I think it said turtle rescuemaybe yeah, that's, yeah, that's
usually that yeah yeah, but andthe one?
Um, I was going to the beach inthe morning and the guy said,
hey, you want to see somethingcool, and I turned around and he
had found this sea turtle in acar like the carport that we

(04:54):
were in, and he was like I gotta, somebody's lights were on they
went it went towards the light.
Yep, and I mean, that was ahefty little you know.
Walk for him throughout thenight, he's.
I'm going to help him and atleast get him back onto the sand
.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, because I know anytime I've ever been somewhere
where the turtles have laidtheir eggs, they've always said
to make sure your lights wereout and not to leave them on at
night.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, this is where Clayton and Kevin's condo is.
They have their outside lightsare all red, but they still were
coming up around the pool youknow.
So that's where we wererescuing.
It was so cute.
There was one that a seagullhad and Bennett is chasing it
and this poor seagull and he'sscreaming and yelling.
The seagull doesn't knowwhether to fly or what to do.
Finally, he just dropped it.

(05:35):
I saved you buddy I saved you.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Just like Moana, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, just like Moana , yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean even
I'm sure, like the animals have,I don't know like, I see Zara
dreaming and stuff, you know,and sometimes I got to shake her
.
Yeah, my dog does as well.
Yeah, so I know they'redreaming, I just don't know what
.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, mine always seems like it's a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, she's in a nightmare, she's, and she's
normally like and I have to, youknow, wake her up, to calm her
down Hot dogs chasing them,turned on them.
So what Bible verses did youfind in your dream?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, it's incredible just how much dreams are a part
of the Bible.
You know they're all throughoutthe Bible.
Part of the bible.
Um, I, you know they're allthroughout the bible.
Probably the most uh one maybeeverybody would recognize right
off the bat is, of course, anangel comes and tells joseph and
asleep.
You know, you know, mary'sobviously through immaculate
conception is yeah gonna have ababy.
It's not his, and you know he'sconcerned about what to do

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because he's he has to thinkabout the customs, what you
would normally do in thatsituation.
So an angel of the Lord comesand tells him you know not to be
afraid, and this is what'sgoing to happen, and so probably
everybody is most familiar withthat one.
But when you start digging intoit.

(07:02):
I mean, there's a lot ofscripture that has to do with
visions and dreams and you know,there's Joseph and a lot of
times it's these, these kings,these emperors, these leaders.
They have dreams and they wantthey always want somebody to
interpret those dreams.
So normally they bring in amagician.
You know black magic mm-hmm youknow they bring in all these.

(07:26):
You know black magic.
You know, they bring in allthese other people witchcraft
you know, all this kind of stuffto bring him in and try to
interpret their dream.
And Joseph, he's brought inbecause, well, nobody can
interpret the dream, you know,and the King's getting mad, and

(07:46):
you know.
So Joseph is as you know, youknow he was sold into slavery by
his brothers, um, and so he's,he's brought in, uh, to
interpret his dreams.
But Joseph makes it very clearthat, you know, this is not how
I interpret, this does not comefrom me, it comes from God.
So he's interpreting thePharaoh's dreams the way, the

(08:12):
way he is getting it from God,not just some random you know,
maybe I, you know, I don't knowwhat the magician's approach was
, I don't know how they came totheir conclusions, but I'm sure
maybe they did spells and youknow, it was a big, you know
spectacle.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know.
So maybe it was more likeentertainment.
You know to interpret thesedreams, but you know, joseph's
actually trying to give him avision.
I remember this from, just frommemory.
But the Pharaoh, he seesvisions like seven of this, like

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he sees seven good grains ofwheat and seven bad grains of
wheat, something like that.
And he you know, and he wantsto know what that means.
And of course Joseph will tellhim well, there's going to be
seven good years, that that yourkingdom is going to have, and
it's going to be followed up byseven years of famine.
So he's saying, like, use thoseseven years to get ready you

(09:13):
know, and then your people, thepeople of egypt, will survive
this if they prepare well, ifthey look to god, ask for mercy.
And then when those seven you,you will suffer through that,
you know, know, seven years offamine, but you'll come out,
you'll come out all right.
So he's, he's foretelling thatand of course.
But it all works.

(09:34):
Yes, it does work to Joseph'sadvantage because of course his
brothers will come to Egyptbecause they're suffering from
the famine, and so they go toEgypt looking for, you know,
they go there because the fathertells them we'll go there, get
some food so we won't die.
So of course he sends his youknow, the other sons out, all
Joseph's brothers, sends theminto Egypt to go get the food.

(09:56):
And, long story short, that'swhere, you know, joseph of
course recognizes his brothers,the brothers don't recognize him
, and he puts them through allthese tests so that in the end,
you know, they'll come to Idon't know if it's more or less
they'll come to realize whatthey have done.
They'll kind of realize thatand Joseph, in a sense, is, he's
getting justice, but he's alsoshowing forgiveness and by the

(10:19):
end of it, you know, he'shugging his brothers and of
course his youngest brother,benjamin, he's hugging him.
So not only does it work wellfor Egypt, but things come full
circle for Joseph as well.
So you know, god's work resolvesitself with Joseph and the

(10:42):
things that he went through,because of course, like I said,
he's sold into slavery but thensomehow he becomes one of the
Pharaoh's favorites and then hehas that redemption, he has that
chance to look his brothersface to face again and resolve
that situation.
But I would say, if there's onebook of dreams, I would say

(11:02):
it's a book of Daniel of dreams.
I would say it's a book ofdaniel, because most of the book
of daniel deals with dreams,and a lot of the dreams and
visions that he will have wewill see in revelation.
So he's, he's.
I don't know if he's the firstto chronicle the vision to the

(11:25):
revelation, but it's prettyearly on.
This is like in five, somewherebetween 593 and 538 before
Christ.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I never realized that .

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He's because, again, daniel is being asked to come in
and interpret dreams.
Come in and interpret dreams,and so he'll come in, and and
again, he has the samephilosophy as joseph.
That you know divisions, that Itell you, and the
interpretation I give you isthrough god, it's not through me
you know it's not through amagician, it's not through some

(11:57):
spectacle.
so, uh, daniel will actuallypredict, um, some of the things
that people will write later onin Revelation, and a lot of it
he actually says throughout thebook.
He says he has all thesevisions of these creatures, you
know, and the descriptions hegives of the creatures are

(12:17):
almost the same kind of thingthat will be described in
Revelation.
And he says, yeah, he goes, allthese visions and everything
scares me.
It haunts him, it troubles him,and he doesn't even quite know
exactly what he's seeing or whatit's supposed to mean.
But he does get very, veryspecific in a couple of them,

(12:40):
and I think this is it's like aDaniel.
Let's see Daniel 7, let's seeif I can get this right 7, 13.
It's in one of the visions hehas.
He says that, like a son of mancoming with the clouds of

(13:02):
heaven, he approached theancient of days and was led into
his presence.
He was given authority, gloryand sovereign power.
All peoples, nations and men ofevery language worshipped him.
His dominion is an everlastingdominion that will not pass away
, and his kingdom is one thatwill never be destroyed.
So later on you will hear Jesussay you will see the son of man

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coming out of the clouds.
So he pretty much describesexactly what will happen when
Jesus comes back to earth.
He's foreseeing that, but he'salso foreseeing a lot of the
scary stuff.
He's seeing the four beasts andof course, they represent four
kingdoms, and one of thoserepresent four kingdoms, and you

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know one of those kingdoms isRome.
You know all the powerfulkingdoms that these creatures
represent.
He's basically saying well, youknow they will pass away.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
so he's, he's foretelling almost through the
whole book until and it's kindof funny because the first time,
the first time that heinterprets the dream, the king
will say well, we okay.
He's, he's astounded and he'staken to his knees over it and

(14:17):
he's, and it's, it's like he's,he's accepting God because of
what Daniel has told him.
But then immediately he goesand creates that image of gold,
which I don't know if it's animage of him, but he wants
people to worship this image ofgold, the statue, and so it's

(14:41):
almost like he's going back onwhat he first, on what Daniel
had showed him he goes to honorhimself instead of honoring God.

(15:07):
And, of course, that's when thethree men which I can never
remember their names Shadrachach, meshach, yeah, uh, they'll,
they'll throw them in thefurnace because they refuse to
worship you know the image ofgold and all the things that the
king wants them to do.
So they throw him, so he throwsthem in the furnace, and again
it's after that he sees thatthey survive that that once
again.
Then he's like oh my gosh, youknow, now we could.
We can only worship the godthat shadrach and meshach and uh

(15:29):
abe, I'll just call him abe,because I can't pronounce it
abednego.
Yes so it's like so it take thefirst time, doesn't take, yeah,
so he goes whatever yeah, so hegoes through all that again and
then when he sees that you know,uh, their example, then he's
willing to you know.
Finally, say God today, worshipis the one that we should be

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bowing down to.
So, yeah, I don't know, maybehe had to see it for himself.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Probably.
You know one of those againit's like you don't see
something you don't believe insomething until you see it, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
But yeah, if you read the whole book of Daniel I mean
most of it it's not that verylong of a book, but most of it
he's having these visions, he'shaving these dreams and he's
interpreting all these thingsand he's predicting what's going
to happen down the road inRevelations.
So if you think about it, wecan have lots of crazy dreams

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and I think it's still a mysteryas to exactly what they are,
why we have them.
I mean, I could look at most ofmy dreams and be like what was
that?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
all about.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It seems like it'll take different parts of your
life and put them all togetherin a mixing bowl and just yes.
Yeah, you know and yeah, a lotof times they don't make sense,
but once a while you get onethat'll kind of shake you and
make you think a little bit.
And um, so are men having thetypes of visions and dreams that
certain men had in the bible?
I don't know.
Uh, they it does say thatDaniel a lot of time.
When he was having thesevisions he was into his 70s.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
But so is there wisdom.
Can you find wisdom in yourdreams?
Can God bring you wisdom inyour dreams?
I'm sure that he can.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
If he's done it before, I'm sure that he can.
But I think it's the simplething that dreams have always
been from the Bible to.
I know Shakespeare was big ondreams in his writings.
Abraham Lincoln very muchbelieved in the meaning of
dreams.

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In fact he saw his own death ina dream.
I think I've heard of that.
So yeah, he saw his own deathin a dream.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think I've heard of that.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So yeah, he saw his own death and he said he
actually walked into the EastRoom of the White House and saw.
I don't know if he actually sawhimself in the coffin, but he
asked like who's dead in theWhite House?
And he says the president, he'sbeen killed by an assassin.
And it wasn't a few weeks later.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
That didn't happen.
He was dead.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
So yeah, so I mean it's a huge mystery, but I think
it's something that's verypeculiar, very unique for humans
and everybody.
They can all have the sameeffect on people.
They can all have the sameeffect on people you know, but
God only knows what you know ifeverybody has a true purpose

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when they dream.
I don't know, it's a mystery,but I think that's probably one
of the coolest things, becauseeverybody does it.
It's not right, right Just thechosen people or, you know,
everybody from every walk oflife has dreams.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And then, even if you think even deeper into it, like
it.
You know you can only dreamwhen you're in REM sleep and
this and that all the all thethings that have to align, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah, I can remembera few.
Probably about a year and a halfago, my mom was like because my
grandma's been gone for likethree and a half years now, yeah

(19:06):
, and she was like you know,I've really been missing mom.
And she said but I've beenpraying that she would, you know
.
You know, just come to me in mysleep and she's like, I kept
praying it and praying it and ithappened like the other night
so I mean yeah even somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know, like I don't get that once in a while
I'll get you know, I'll get oneof my parents in my dreams once
in a while, because they're bothgone.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know, and memories, memory itself is, I
think, in part maybe linked todreams, somehow.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Because it's a lot of times your memories will.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Crop up in your dreams and I think, like with my
parents.
Parents, I think the firstthing to go as far as memory and
all that is their voice.
For some reason, it's gettingharder and harder to remember
their voice yeah but then youwill have a dream, or you will
have a memory, yeah, and whenyou do it, it brings it right
back, and then you remember itagain yeah but so it's yeah it's

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strange.
It's a strange thing, but yeah,the Bible is.
I mean, it takes us forever toget through all of the different
instances where the dreamsactually come up in the Bible
and they seem to all have.
They seem to all have a purpose.
Yeah, they seem to all have apurpose, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, am I wrong in saying a lot of Paul's letters,
like Revelation, was his dreams.
Some of them they had to havebeen.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I know they had to be visions they had to be.
I can't see it really.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's the way I've always looked at it.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Unless God actually came down and showed it to him,
right, I?
Mean unless God actually camedown and showed it to him Right.
I would have to think it wassomething very similar to.
But then you always wonder, youknow, does he have access to
Daniel's scripture?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Oh, does Paul you're saying?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Does he already have access?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
to.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Daniel's story in the scripture.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well, because.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I guess Daniel wrote it.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Historically?
Do you know where they wereLike?
Were they close or not?
Historically?
Well, daniel would have beenlike.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I said Paul was a disciple of Christ.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's with Christ where Daniel is five.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Almost 600 years before.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah.
So he's well before so but evenpossible, but even like
geographically a lot of the folktales and things they do live
on to the next generations, butwould have to be kind of local.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah and yeah I guess the question would be is when,
when, when do people startdiscovering the scriptures?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I mean you hear Jesus talk about things that have
happened before him.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That are in scripture .

Speaker 2 (21:54):
So he had that knowledge.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I don't know if he just had that knowledge, because
Because he was.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Of who he was Right Son of God.
Because of who?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
he was or you did have access to that and I do.
I don't know.
I think in the Chosen isn'tthere an episode where he goes I
don't know if he goes into asynagogue or somewhere and they
ask him to read the old Hebrewtext.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So I'd have to go back and watch the episode again
.
So maybe they did, maybe theydid have already access to these
early books and they were ableto draw from that and perhaps
that's to draw from that, andperhaps that's paul drew from
that and then perhaps he he hadvisions of his own, that kind of
added to that, to that story.

(22:46):
I mean just like any otherhistorian would do, or right you
know you, you take what you've,you know what you have and you
build on it, and then you try tolearn more about it and
discover new things.
And, of course, if God'sspeaking to Paul and yeah you're
he'll, he'll be able to buildoff of those things.
So but uh, yeah, I don't know Iwould think if I dreamed some

(23:07):
of the things that Danieldreamed and Paul dreams?
uh, I'd be like what?
What did I have to eat forsupper?
You know like well, I'm notgoing to eat that again you know
, because there's some wildstuff.
Wild stuff and, uh, you know, Ialways thought I don't know if
has an.
Has there ever been an artistthat has, like you know, read

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these scriptures of say whatDaniel dreamed of?
What?
Paul dreamed the revelationsactually tried to draw these
creatures and draw to look intothat, because I mean that'd be
something in itself becausethey're really descriptive.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
That book that I brought in that I found of my
mom's, that was given to mygrandparents years ago.
There's some descriptivepictures in there of the stuff
that you would see in Revelation.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I was just asking do you think has an artist ever
depicted the things that Danieldreams in Revelation?
I, just I'm gonna have to lookinto that.
Yeah, that's like I said I toldhim.
I said if I was dreaming thatstuff, I'd be like what the heck
did I have for dinner lastnight?
Yeah, you know, like I had somewild stuff that they you know,

(24:20):
some visions that are just like.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
And then have you ever had like a recurring dream?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yes, you continue to have the same dream?

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, like what is the meaning of that?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Absolutely.
I think maybe the one thateverybody has is you know, all
of a sudden you're back inschool, but you're alone in the
hallway and you can't findanybody.
You can't find your room.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh really, I've never had that either.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Sometimes you're almost naked.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
You know, you're like you never had that dream.
I always have the dream likesomething's after me, but then I
can't.
I have no speech, I can'tscream, I can't.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Mine is specifically like that, but it's, I'm in like
a sewer.
Maybe that's why I'm married toa plumber, I don't know.
It saves me.
I'm talking.
I can remember having thisdream when I was like nine years
old.
Yeah, and it happens lessfrequently now.
I haven't had one like that inyears, but it's almost like I'm
drowning, but it's like it's notreally sewer, it's just like

(25:17):
I'm in the sewer pipes, almostlike, yeah, when you're in the,
that little movie flushed awayor like I don't know, and it's
just bizarre and I just likewhere does this come from?
You know, I think I might haveeven looked it up one day.
I'm like this is, this has norelevance because, yeah, my
friend would.
She would remember like all ofher dreams, like every single
night, and she would always lookthem up.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
and no, you know it's very rare that I remember any
of my dreams.
Now I will remember, like if Iwake up, if I've been dreaming
about my mom, it's like I hadthat instant.
Oh yeah, you know, mom visited,but other than that, yeah
there's no remembrance of whatthe dream was about.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah I used to dream a lot that I could fly.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But it was kind of funny because like with wings no
, just kind of superman styleyeah, just like from your feet,
like super yep or.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
But there's one thing it would cost.
This is so stupid, but the onething it would recur is I would
have to find an empty tin canand when I picked up the empty
tin can I could fly that wasyour superpower yeah.
So I don't know, maybe I mixedlike popeye and superman right
yeah, but I haven't had that onea long time.
But yeah, I used to have thatone quite a bit, huh yeah, so

(26:25):
well, what do you guys have?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
go ahead, go ahead.
Well, I was on vacation whenyou sent this text out me too.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I wasn't like, by the way, I'm like nobody's
answering me.
I'm like, boy, this is a dud.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Well, apparently this one, the crickets I'm like oh
well, I'm on vacation and Ireally hadn't same.
But listen, while I was there, Igot a splinter in my index
finger and I thought how strange, and the only thing.
So I took this very personalnot, um, but, and being in the
medical field, I think that'sjust all god that just kept

(26:58):
bringing to me how he createdthe body?
Ah, to heal itself.
Now, even though you can'tspecifically find scripture that
says god created our body withthe ability to heal itself, yeah
, but there's many scripturesthat correlate how God is our

(27:19):
healer, uh-huh, uh-huh.
But when I got that splinter,which I didn't even know, I got
it when I got it, until itfestered up and started to push
itself out, yes, so there, inturn, came the oh, god created
our body to get rid of thingsyep, yep that we don't need so

(27:39):
specifically, even like cooper,I just noticed his little feet
are peeling for the first timeand I'm like, oh my, and how
often does that happen?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
our dead cells, yes, slough off.
Yeah, how, how you know?

Speaker 4 (27:50):
yeah, it happens pretty, we scrape our knee and
it scabs over and it heals underthere, and you know.
But nowadays nobody wants toscab on anything.
You know you go to the woundclinic and it gets debrided.
But you know, anything that canbe debrided will be debrided.
But we all healed as children.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, exactly our body made a scab, put a little
dirt on them ones where you'dwreck your bike and you'd get
all the little pebbles oh, yeah,yeah and it would scab up and
you'd be digging them little.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I still have a star on my
kneecap.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
So then you know.
So then it made me also think.
You know that, working in themedical field for 40 plus years,
even before I was truly aChristian, before I had accepted
Christ, all of my medicalprofession when people got a

(28:44):
grim diagnosis or bad news fromthe doctor, you know, and they
would want to talk to you whenyou went in you were the person
who sat there and listened tothem.
But I would always say you know, we have to walk by faith, not
by sight.
Do you believe in a higherpower?
Do you believe in God and JesusChrist?
You know, yeah, that doctormight have said you've got six
to eight weeks to live, but ifyou've got support and you can

(29:06):
get your mindset to a positivemindset and you can look towards
Christ, you know I've takencare of people that had that six
to eight weeks diagnosis.
That you know this is you'reout, you're going to had that
six to eight weeks diagnosis.
That you know this is you'reout, you're going to die within
six to eight weeks and nineyears later they're still here
where they went into remissionor you know whatever.

(29:26):
But of course, the walk byfaith and not by sight is in
second corinthians 5, 7, but umyeah, they told my mom she had
eight to 12 months, something inthat time frame.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
She went for 15 years .

Speaker 3 (29:39):
That was kind of like Aunt Tanya.
I think they gave her mom ayear and she went 17.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And I can.
You know, and I'll be honest,you know my mom always I mean
she always believed in Jesus.
I mean that's one thing shealways told me is no matter what
you do, never turn your back onJesus.
But she wasn't always strong,you know she struggled with it a

(30:08):
lot yeah, just a fear, I thinkin itself, yeah, you know, maybe
, sure you know, uh would wouldcause her to have a lot of, you
know, emotional problems thatdealt from from that diagnosis
right, a lot of anxiety aroundthat.
Sure, the unknown, yeah, yeahbut again, I think you know god
had her covered right because ofher faith, even when she was
scared, even when she did things.
Maybe you look at her and gowell, your face not very strong,

(30:30):
but she'd always be that personwhere faith of a mustard seed
yep, you'd always think likethis, is it like she's done?
yeah she's gonna give up and yougive her a day she'd go off by
she'd go in her bedroom byherself and she'd come out the
next day like I'm not ready, I'mnot done yet, right, you know?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
and sometimes just the people we surround ourselves
.
Oh, yeah, you know, like thoseof us who attend a church or we
have a church family, you knowit'll say go before your elders
and be be anointed with oil.
Have them pray over you andanoint you with oil.
You know, and I mean I know,here in the United States we
spend billions of dollars onscientific research, you know,
to find better medicines or howto heal something, or how to

(31:12):
come up with that solution ofhow we're going to make
everything better.
But I mean, in my 42 plus yearsI truly can say that those who
had more or did claim to beChristian or have that faith,
had better outcomes.
Then and same with, when you'relaying on your deathbed, those

(31:33):
who were Christians, you couldjust see the peace, the peace on
their face.
Mm-hmm, he was in torment andliterally he was reliving every

(31:57):
terrible thing that he did.
He would speak it out loud.
He was like hitting at the air,stomping his feet, you know,
but when you know to us, you, helooked like he was unconscious
but he would be talking aboutall of these things that he had
done and he was very tormentedfor 12 days.
It was like he was justreliving from young teens to his

(32:20):
current life.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
In those 12 days wow yeah it was, it was something
yeah, but um well, the mainthing is, it doesn't you know if
you're covered under christ.
It's his outcome.
So it doesn't matter whatdiagnosis you have, it doesn't
doesn.
What diagnosis you have, itdoesn't matter, you're going to
go in his time regardless.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I wanted a convertible.
So bad when I was young.
I wanted to buy a convertiblewhen I was 16 and my parents
wouldn't let me.
My dad insisted I buy thatChevy Cavalier.
I wanted that Ford Mustangconvertible so bad.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Did that Cavalier run a long time?
Oh it certainly did.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
It certainly did.
But you know, I always say,when it's my time, it's my time.
You know, whether I'm in thatconvertible or I'm in that
Cavalier, or I'm in the air orwherever, when God's ready for
me, it's my time.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
But you know, and Jesus Christ,he, you know.

(33:21):
God created people to bephysicians and doctors and and
whatever.
But the Hebrew word for healeris Jehovah Rapha, you know, and
it means the Lord who heals.
So but, and then there areseveral references six, six of
them maybe where you know itsays that Jesus will heal us or
he will tell us.
Maybe where it says that Jesuswill heal us or he will tell us
he'll come to us and tell uswhat to do, how to heal your.

(33:41):
I think one of the scripturesis somebody needed boils healed
and he told them to take thefigs or the fig leaves and put
it on the skin and it healed theboils.
But there are a few scripturesthat talk about God's healing,
but honestly, nick, that was theonly thing that came to me.
I could not think I was onlyasking for one, I just yeah,

(34:03):
yeah, but it was very personalfor me for some reason, just so,
but honestly, that was verygood.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Definitely, god is our healer.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yep, so Very good.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Beth.
Well, I danced around with thatone in the beginning.
Yeah, I wonder why, right anduh.
Then I thought I couldn'treally find anything that I was
happy with with verses.
Then I thought, well, you know,god gave us free will and I
looked up I couldn't find any,really find any verses there
either, and I thought, oh, thatcould get into some arguments

(34:38):
because there's a lot ofdifferent opinions on that.
So I was talking to Holly aboutit.
She's like yeah, but what aboutyour natural ears and your
spiritual ears?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Ooh, that's a good one, yeah, yeah.
So you know, in our naturalears we hear everything, and
when we are attuned to God.
You have our spiritual ears on.
We can hear His voice.
I think it was in John 10, 27.
My sheep listen to my voice.
I know them and they follow me.

(35:09):
I mean, he knows our voice andwe know His.
How many times have we prayedabout things and we do?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
hear his voice.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I mean whether we hear it in our heart or our mind
right still, we have to have betuned in yeah, and sometimes,
like it won't always be yourears, sometimes it'll be your
heart hearing it.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Instead it goes back to our topic we had a few weeks
ago you know, between hearingthe word and receiving it
completely different things allthe time.
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean like when, with Moses in the burning bush
you know yeah Was, you know Godwasn't visible.
No, he spoke to him you knowwhether it was his spiritual
ears hearing that.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
I'm sure it wasn't his actual years, cause all the
chaos that was going on not tochange the subject, but you know
there's even scientificresearch that just listening,
listening to amazing grace, canheal the heart and then like um,
I always get a mixed up withelijah Elisha.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Elijah that went, went hid in the cave and, uh,
you know, god called out to him.
You know where are you at.
God knew where he was.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Exactly Right.
He just wanted to hear yeah,yeah, yeah, and you know what?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I read that one on Adam and Eve because I thought I
would use that.
But then I thought you knowwhat?
Did they actually see God?
Because he walked with them.
It said that he walked withthem, so did they actually get
to see him?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know, I think when he asked that question,
like you said, he knows wherethey are.
Oh yeah, absolutely, he's allknowing, but he wants them to
recognize, because perhaps,caught up in the moment of
whatever they're doing, youdon't realize where you are, you
don't realize the things you'redoing wrong, you don't realize
that you're going down a pathmaybe you shouldn't be going

(37:05):
down until God makes yourecognize it.
So he's asking them to what areyou doing?
Where are you, so that you willanswer?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And I think it's when you answer that you go oh yeah,
what am I?
Doing Because until you answerGod, you know you don't think
about what you're doing.
I think we all do that, youknow we, you know, every, every
day, you can find yourself in asituation where, like well, I
didn't handle that.
Very well, find yourself in asituation where you're like well

(37:37):
, I didn't handle that very well.
You know I could have done thatdifferently and you think, okay,
why?
Well, because I wasn't talkingto God, I didn't ask him first.
I had no, you know, I did notseek his counsel at all in what
I just did.
And until you actually come faceto it and say, okay, where am I
, what am I doing, why have Idone it, you'll probably just

(37:58):
keep on going down that road.
Yeah for sure you know so.
I think that's why God doesthat.
He asks us questions and ifwe're wise enough to listen,
we'll answer it ourselves.
And then that's.
I think, when you hear God,it's like oh yeah, I know the
answer.
You know, everybody knows theright answer to the question,
but sometimes it's just we'renot prepared to listen.

(38:21):
We're not prepared to do it.
We're not prepared to answer it, Right?
So yeah, when he's in the cave,it's like, well, yeah, I know
you're in a cave.
Right, but do you know you'rein a cave?
Right, because sometimes youcan say you don't know you're
where you're at right.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
You know it's metaphorical.
You think like yeah was.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
He was actually in a cave, maybe who knows?
Maybe not, but that's true,your soul's in a cave right
because you can't get out.
You, just you.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
You've created this dark space for yourself yeah,
yeah, whether it's depression oryeah, and you see no light, so
you have no.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Uh, which way to turn until God asks you to like look
, just reach above your head.
There's a little string there.
You can turn the light on.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's all it takes, but until you're willing to like
raise your hand, feel around upthere and actually turn the
light on which is looking to GodExactly.
You can't, you won't do it.
You'll just keep going aroundin circles in the dark trying to
find your way out.
Yeah, Simple as that.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I have one in Revelations.
It said Revelation 3, 22.
Anyone with ears to hear mustlisten to the Spirit and
understand what he is saying tothe churches, Not just what he
is saying to us.
Not just the churches and notjust what he is saying to us not
just the churches.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, and I think a lot of the times when it talks
about the churches you canalmost cross that out and say to
to the people you know to uslike yeah, yeah, I think I think
a lot of not necessarilyhistorians, but a lot like I was
just talking to mybrother-in-law and he said his,
um, he's worried.
His dad is more focused on, like, not his relationship with god,

(40:02):
but more of just like, thearticles of the old testament
and just all these historicalthings, and I don't know where I
was getting with this.
But I mean, what was okay, you,what did you just say, nick,
that I was piggybacking off of?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Hearing the word and receiving the word.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
It was after that Darn it, darn it, darn it, darn
it, darn it.
It might not have been for sucha time as this.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Right, maybe it was.
I think I know what you'regetting at.
Yeah, are you trying to saylike, yeah, he's interested in
God, he's interested in thehistory of everything that's
going on, but you're not sointerested?
Maybe it's like Beth what wereyou

Speaker 3 (40:47):
just Anybody can read .

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Anybody can read a book.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, listening to the spirit, the church, when
he's telling.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Oh yes.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
The churches.
But, a lot of time the churchesare referencing.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yes, it'd be referencing people yeah, and I
think a lot of the times, likein the new testament, when they
talk about the churches or youknow the set, is it the seven
churches or the four churches?
Seven, seven, that's what Ithought.
I think a lot of people justread it as the seven church, not
a lot of people, but I think alot of the ones that are focused
more on what the Bible says butnot the relationship with God

(41:22):
and Jesus, if that makes sense.
I think they are kind ofmissing the big picture of, okay
, you know, yes, it could, itcould be those actual seven
churches or those seven you know, but it could also be something
else and you need to have anopen mind on that and, better
yet, go to God for reflectionand everything else, just to

(41:46):
verify that you are indeed, youknow, with a good heart with him
and I don't know, he justseemed very troubled with his
dad because his dad also justhad his mom pass away from
cancer.
So he's kind of been, you know,just not lost.
But second question you knowsecond guessing and everything,
and he's like I just, you knowhe's kind of diving deep into

(42:07):
all the Old Testament articles,and I mean to Enoch, the book of
Enoch.
You know, like that's, that ismy, uh, my nephew's name and it
comes from because the, you know, the grandpa was so just
focused on this one article andall these things and I'm like,
well, okay, but I'm like, butwhere's the relationship?

(42:28):
You know, I don't know.
So, yeah, but maybe it willcome and I hope it does?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I really do.
I think Americans have the sameproblem sometimes.
Oh yeah, like we all could readthe Declaration of Independence
.
We all could read theGettysburg Address.
We could all read, you know,and some people were just
reading them.
Yeah, that sounds nice.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
But they don't even, but you don't take it in you
don't absorb it, you don't thinkabout what it means.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Today, Like when people read the Gettysburg
Address, they're like oh yeah,Abraham Lincoln, he gave that
speech at Gettysburg in 1863.
It's history, Whoop-dee-doo.
But if you really dive deepinto that you can see how
Lincoln was not only writing itfor his people at the time, but
he was writing it for all time,all the time.

(43:17):
But he was writing it for alltime so that we would all
recognize how we got to thispoint in our history where we're
killing each other and where weneed to go, so we never end up
in that spot again, again, yes.
And so it's for all time, and Ithink that's the thing with the
Bible.
You can't just read it ashistory, which I love, the
history of it too, I find itvery interesting, but it's still
alive.
But it's still alive, but it'sstill alive.

(43:37):
There's still much to learnfrom it and, like you said,
you're supposed to come out ofit to where, and if you read
enough of the Bible, it'll tellyou anyhow you're supposed to
form that relationship with.
God Right right, it's not justsomething.
It's not a history lesson.
Yeah, it's not a multiplechoice A, b, c and D.
Yeah, just you know an answer.
It's no.

(43:57):
You're building relationshipbased on that knowledge that God
is giving you.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, I think.
I just think the way he looksat it is when he comes to face
with God.
He's almost like, oh, like anexam at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
You know like oh, what did you get from this book?
What'd you get from?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Daniel's book.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
And I of it, you know like oh right, yeah there's
gonna be like what'd you getfrom this book, what'd you get
from daniel's book?
And I'm like I don't know ifthat's all.
Yeah, when you get to heaven,there's gonna be an exam.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, yeah, I'm in trouble because I'm a terrible
test taker, but that's not.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
That's not what's gonna happen it's crazy that I
took it that route, because mythe thing I was thinking of was
like spiritual hunger, and it'scrazy I even said that because
now it's leading into that.
I think, I think it's crazythat, like when you're so on
fire when you first you know.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
When you first are saved, when you first accept
Christ.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yes, and you know, and then we've all talked about
it, how it, how you just die orthe church dot not die, but you
fall asleep, you know, and youjust you're on autopilot or
whatever mode you're going to beon and just sift your way
through life.
I'm like, oh well, he's, he'sback there, but I don't know if
I'm going to pick up my bible.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Listen my granddaughter's 10 and a half.
Sorry to interrupt, no, yeah,but so when I got up there every
night, every night at bedtime,she had questions for me.
Oh, you because she has reallyenjoyed coming to church with me
, the few times that she's here,and so she wanted to know you
know, how did you become aChristian and what was sin, and
you know, when should you pray?

(45:28):
How should you pray?
You know she was asking me allof those questions every night.
So about the third night she'slike so okay, grandma, I want to
learn how to become a Christian.
So so we went through the steps.
I just did the simple ABCs withher and so at the end I said to
her so now, so where is youknow, where is Jesus?
You know?
She's like well, grandma, he'sin my heart.

(45:48):
I'm like, oh, okay, so she's onthe right page, yeah, yeah.
So I said, well, while I'm uphere, I said we'll find a
Christian bookstore and we'll goget you a Bible.
So I Googled, like the localChristian bookstore and it was
up in New Hampshire.
So we drove over to NewHampshire, which is only a
couple miles from my son's house, but so we went over there and
got in that bookstore andthere's like hardly any books.
Lots of decorative pictures,jewelry, the cards.

(46:13):
I'm like, where's all theBibles?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Looking around the storeibles, looking around the
store, looking around to find abook in a bookstore nowadays,
you know and and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
So I finally just went to the, the staff, and I
said I'm trying to find.
I said my, my granddaughter'sonly 10 and a half, but she's an
avid reader, she's very smart.
I said I want a teen, a teenbible for her.
I said, but where are yourbibles?
Yeah, yeah and um.
And I said, and she saidsomething to me about like well,
where are you from?
And I said, well, I'm from Ohio, I'm up here visiting.

(46:42):
And I said you know, myChristian bookstore has a huge
selection of Bibles, teen Bibles, king James, new International,
whatever.
And she's like, well, up herein theland states, christianity
isn't a big thing.
They had four, four bibles,four bibles all together.

(47:03):
Not even like, no, no, teen,teen bibles, four bibles for me
to choose from, to get lily, abible.
But and it was like a christian, oh, it was a christian
bookstore.
Huh, yeah, I mean, and Icouldn't find the bibles I'm
walking to and I couldn't likewhere are your bibles?
So I had four bibles to choosefrom, but we found her one.

(47:28):
So, and a little devotion, yeahthat's odd, but yeah, she's like
uh, christianity up here, faithisn't a big thing up here in
the new england states.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
She said wow, that kind of surprises me really.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I know that's what I was thinking, me too.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
That was kind of the heart of it in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Exactly yes, delaware and Boston area, you know?
Yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Okay, hmm.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah, okay Side note no, no, no Sorry.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
But some of the scriptures for spiritual hunger
Matthew 5, 6,.
Blessed are those who hungerand thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Psalm 63, 1,.
My soul thirsts for you, mybody longs for you in a dry and
weary land.
There's a song like that, isn'tthere?
Say it again my soul thirstsfor you, my body longs for you.

(48:21):
Oh yeah, in a dry and weary landyeah, a lot of our hymns are
obviously scripture, yeah, butthen, um, I was also thinking
like, okay, so whenever we dobackslide, but then, you know,
end up on the right track again.
You know you're doing your time, you're not your time.

(48:43):
You know you're forming thatrelationship, you're making it
deeper and you know what makesyou want to be better.
You know be a better Christian.
And I think, like serving you,you know, like just serving in
the church in general, like yeah, not even in the church just
serving god.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, in general, you know, let's just talk about
this for a sec.
I was going to bring it up thebeginning.
Yeah, you know, ozzy osbournepassed away yesterday and one of
the biggest questions what washe a christian?
And of course you can look athis image and you can be like
certainly not, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
But we don't know we don't Nope Right.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
But I think sometimes that's the problem.
We don't know.
You know, he may have been inhis own little personal
relationship.
He may never have talked aboutit.
Yeah, I've seen him playing intimes.
He wears crosses and stuff likethat, but his nickname's the
Prince of Darkness, so he hasthat stage persona.
But we don't know what reallywent on in his private life,

(49:44):
what he really felt.
But, sometimes I think that'sthe problem is we don't know,
because that person never madean attempt to serve God publicly
.
To go out of your way to serveGod and not so everybody will
see that you're doing it, yeah,but just because that's what's
in your heart to do.
So that's that's what I alwaysthink when somebody passes away.

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If you have to say I don't know, that's a shame I mean that for
that person, you've lost thatopportunity in this world to
share God's love.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Especially the platform he had.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, yeah so you've lost that opportunity.
You can't get it back Now.
Is that a deal breaker that youdon't get to heaven because you
didn't do that?
I don't know, but to me, theolder I get, I see how much more
important it is to be doing ityes.
You know, even because I alwayssay I don't care what my faults

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are, I don't care how muchbacksliding I've done, I don't
care if I cuss my coworker outtoday, I don't care if you know,
whatever I've done today, I'mstill going to serve the Lord.
I'm not going to stop becauseI'm not perfect.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Or because there's things I can't quite figure out.
Nothing's going to get in theway still of at least serving
the Lord and preaching his nameand making sure people know
about Jesus Christ.
That's the whole key to me,especially as I get older.
That's just, that's how I,that's how I'm going about it
yeah.
I don't think.

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You know, you don't go.
Well, I got to wait till I'mperfect before I can get on a
podcast.
Start talking about.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Christ no, nope, completely wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yep Right.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And I think it goes back to what the Bible says
about David, as he was afterGod's own heart.
I think that's the mission.
Yeah, as a person, that's whatbe after God's heart.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Forming that relationship with him, trying to
see like okay how can I seemyself in God?
Yes, you know, if you can, youknow you can get the little
scales out and be like, okay,you know what's all the ways
that I can see myself in God Ifyou put the checker in great,
you know.
But then you can put thecheckers in.
Okay, what faults do I have?

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What do I need to work on?
That I haven't gotten yet, butI think if you've got enough
checkers in there to where youwere, you know you're serving
the Lord, you're doing thosethings.
I think you're doing prettywell, yeah.
And sometimes that's all we canhope for is just to have that
mission that you know.
Yep, it doesn't matter, youknow I didn't get the Mustang

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convertible but, I'm stillworking for God.
It's not just.
You know you're not going towait until you don't wait until
you get a blessing that you'vebeen waiting for to start
serving Him.
You don't do it that way.
It's just like you do it inspite of everything else.
You continue to do it andthat's like I said.
That's the best I think you cando as a human being.

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I don't nobody wants to leavethis world and say, well, you
know, I don't know, I don't knowhow he felt about it.
You know, that's to me thegreat shame.
It's just like if you have toquestion yeah, I agree.
You know, not that.
Yeah.
Well, he said he was achristian but he did this.
He did that.
Okay, yeah, but I I think ifsomebody has um went out of

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their way to, to speak the wordto, to spread the word, share it
yes to spread his name, thenyou've done something.
Doesn't matter to me whateverelse you've done, you you've
done your part for the kingdom,yeah, and if you've done that
with good intentions, you know,seeking god's heart, just as
david did, because we all know.

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I'd actually like to get intodavid's story a little bit
because that's a verycomplicated story.
Um, I can kind of relate to hisstory a little bit um, but he
never stopped working for god,despite all his faults right and
god never gave up on him.
God still used him, and sothat's what I think is important
, and what you're talking aboutis, you know, that's where it

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comes from.
It comes from, you know,seeking God.
Yes, not just going through themotions.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Yeah, putting a check in the box.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, making sure everybody saw that you went to
church on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Right, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, that's the thing you know.
Yeah, I think a lot of timesit's just like well, as long as
everybody knows that I went tochurch, on Sunday.
Doesn't mean anything to God.
Nope, because you might missnext Sunday and the Sunday after
.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Then you might roll for two months before you miss
again yeah that has nothing todo with anything right, you
could be sitting in church andstill miss.
Yeah, yeah, you could bedaydreaming, that's right.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, you could be daydreaming, yeah sleeping.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yes, and the pastor would know about it.
That's happened yeah, I justlike I said, the older I get, I
think it's the work that you doyeah that's the most important
now I gotta ask about ozzy andgood works, you know, versus

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yeah, uh, go ahead did the 190million that he had raised for
parkinson's.
It's like, yeah, that's goodworks yeah but it doesn't mean
you're gonna go to heaven no, itdoesn't.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I mean, and you know, and that's where you know we
have a.
You know, kindness is a bigthing in our society today.
Is everybody needs to be kindand I'm just like, yep, that's
true, nothing wrong with that?
No, no, but you better learnthe origin, where it comes from
exactly because I always saylook to the bible, look at

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history.
Before jesus comes along.
There is not much kindnesshappening anywhere, I don't care
where you are, whether it'srome, whether it's uh judea,
where it's.
You know, no matter where youlook on the map before jesus
comes along.
It's a tough place to be.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I mean, it's a very dark, unfair, cruel, yeah, and
in some ways the world is stillthat way.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Oh yeah but with jesus it's a good way of looking
at it.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I mean, it's a very dark, unfair, cruel, yeah, and
in some ways the world is stillthat way.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Oh, yeah, but with Jesus.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
It's a completely different.
Yeah, you know you can have acompletely different mentality
about how to look.
You know it's somebody that hasscorned you.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
It's not all about power now.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, it's not all about, yeah, just having power.
You know, it's a wholedifferent.
He brings this whole brand newidea to the world that even if
you were a God fearing person,you really didn't think about
things that way.
Yeah, you know, and God himself, I mean, he was very wrathful,

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you know, and his love is stillthere.
You can see his love, but it'svery tough, it's very black and
white and you're not.
You know, it's hard to see, it'shard to see that there's any
true hope for the human, formankind, until Jesus comes along

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and be like you know, there's awhole different way of looking
at life and looking at thepeople around you and you know
what you should be doing in thisworld and you know and just
setting it straight thateverything good comes from me.
You know.
So all the kindness that wecould spread, all the love we
could spread, it's all good, butyou can see sometimes where you

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know.
I hate to say it, but Satan isusing that against us.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
You know he just is.
I mean, he's taking somethingthat's meant for good and
turning it into evil, just asjesus will do the opposite, and
it's.
It's that battle, and that'ssometimes the way I see it.
I see it like you can see thebattle going on right in front
of your eyes yeah, you can, yeahyou know between god and satan.
You just see it yeah, like andjust yeah, satan can come along

(57:24):
and dangle that kindness carrot,but he leads people to do
things that God doesn't want usto do in the name of kindness,
and it's just not what we'resupposed to be doing.
You just see the chaos that itcreates, which, in the end, is
exactly what he wants, because Ialways look at it as okay.

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There's two.
Both of them are recruiting anarmy.
That's what it's all about.
They're both recruiting an army.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Or a dodgeball team.
Or a dodgeball team, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Maybe we'll get to heaven and it'll be a dodgeball
fight.
That'd be like, yeah, andthat's the way I look at it.
It's okay.
In the end, you're either gonnaplay for this team or you're
gonna play for that team.
There's no other answer youknow, and you didn't even know
you were gonna get picked forsatan's team.

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You thought you were doing good.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
You thought or you thought you were just gonna sit
in the corner and not play yeahwell, that's not gonna work.
You're either on this team orthat team.
You thought you were just goingto sit in the corner and not
play.
Well, that's not going to work.
You're either on this team orthat team.
You're not going to just sayI'm not playing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, there's no bystanders in this, yeah you
don't just get to.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Yeah, you're going to end up on one or the other,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
So, you know, it's just people got to realize that
Jesus is the true origin ofanything from love and kindness
and understanding and all that.
It comes straight from him.
It doesn't.
We just didn't invent it.
We didn't To me.
We just didn't figure that outRight.
Like you know, we all need tobe nice to each other, despite
yeah, it's like no, that's yeah,Satan's path is very wide and

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very easy.
Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
God's path is narrow.
You have to, yeah, seek it outand find it.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Sometimes I think on it that's the problem that
people have.
I heard somebody say the otherday I can't remember where I
heard this, I think I waslistening to an interview, might
have been an author orsomething and somebody said uh,
I forget how they phrased thequestion, but it was more or
less well, what do you thinkabout Jesus Christ?
And they were like well, I'mvery fond of Jesus Christ, I

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think he was a great man and Ithink his ideas were great.
He goes, but it's his fatherthat I have a problem with.
And I thought okay, I thinksometimes, but if you think
about it, it's like okay,there's something to that,
because if you look at Jesus,who he was, it's like how could

(59:49):
you not like him?
You know, how could anybodymeet Jesus and not like him?
No, but the Father.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Well, you start to put the Holy Trinity together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, and when you look at the Father, you know
when discipline becomes an issue, you know, and trying to guide
you and stop you from doing allthe selfish thing that you want
to do.
That's when people start tohave a with.

(01:00:21):
Yeah, christianity is because,oh, I gotta follow rules, I
gotta be reprimanding, there'srepercussions for what I do.
Oh, this is right.
That doesn't sound like that'sfor me.
I mean, yeah, jesus said he'sgot.
That's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I really like that if I, if I can but if I can bend
what he says to what I want todo then it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
But if I, if I have to follow the ten commandments,
if I have to, you know, followall the words in the bible,
everything that god expects usto do, if I have to have
discipline, um yeah, I don'tknow then they're not on board
that dark free will.
And then, of course, they jumpinto well, yeah, I mean Jesus
was great and his ideas weregreat, but look at the world.

(01:01:09):
You know, if God was so great,why is the world the way it is?
You know, we've covered thismany times, and that's because
they cannot look beyondthemselves.
They can't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
To me it's like they can't see that battle going on
between good and evil.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
They can't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
There's these, you know two teams being, you know,
recruited.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Not looking outside the box, like I've worked with
nurses that can't look outsideof the textbook.
If it wasn't textbook, wellwhat's going on?
That's not what CHF says in thetextbook.
You know every individual isindividual.
Their symptoms are individual.
You better look at that patientfrom head to toe.
Look at the color of their skin, look at their eyes, look at

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their.
Are they sweating?
And every?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
patient's different.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Every patient is different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
The medical profession is a perfect example
of that.
During the Civil War, theystill did not believe in germs.
And they almost had it figuredout.
And then, when presidentGarfield was shot after
everything they had learned inthe civil war, they probed him
with dirty instruments and probethem with their dirty fingers
and all this stuff, and theystill didn't believe that germs

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existed.
And that wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
And so it's just like .
The medical field is a perfectexample of you have to build on
things, you have to learn fromthings.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah, when I started working as a nurse's aide in the
80s.
We didn't wear gloves, no, wedidn't.
You took care of patients.
You washed your hands.
Well, well, remember.
Some people washed their handsyeah you know, but you're caring
for all of the body fluids.
Rather, somebody had an emesisand threw up, somebody had
diarrhea.
You just used your bare handsuntil HIV came along.

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And then it was oh, universalprecautions, we better start
wearing gloves.
Well then you had people whowore gloves but still didn't
wash their hands.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Well, I worked at a facility where you were allowed
so many pair of gloves a shiftand you washed your hands with
those gloves on and went to thenext person, oh wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I mean it just yeah.
I mean, we haven't even hadgloves for that long.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Well, you know, you watch any of the movies from the
70s and they're smoking in thehospital.
Everybody's smoking.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yeah, my patients were smoking in their hospital
rooms, some with their oxygen onyeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So it's just like think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
I mean, that's like in my life nurses right at the
nurses station, just smokingaway yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
in my lifetime, yeah and Ididn't become a nurse till in
the 90s and they were stillsmoking at the nurse really in
the 90s, in the 90s.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yes, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Yeah, that's a perfect example yeah, you were
earlier than the 90s no, youwent right after school.
I went down to rio grand firstand then came back and, yeah, I
hated chemistry.
Yeah so, but chemistry hated metoo twice around and I said

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forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
No, I finished.
Well, yeah, because I graduatedand I started in 87.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Wow, yeah I I I dropped out for a while, went
back to being an aide for awhile.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah I heard it's hard nursing school.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah, always been hard, it seems like too yeah,
well, it's that uh mentality tooof the the instructors, that
they're just hard on you because, because they're gonna weed you
out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
They weed you out, you know, if you can't take that
pressure, then get out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, oh sure you know.
Yeah, Cause it's not theinformation in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
You know it's not just how you're going to react
in those situations.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I worked with a brand new nurse.
She was green.
She came out, she was in themed cart and she was looking for
Tylenol.
Patient needed some Tylenol.
She couldn't find the Tylenoland I said to her I said do you
have any acetaminophen in yourcart?
What's that?

(01:05:17):
What's that?
I said that's your generic formof Tylenol.
Yep, there it was.
Yeah, you know, it's like booksmart versus life smart.
Exactly, very book smart.
No common sense, see, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Tylenol was the generic term.
I thought, it said how do yousay it?
Acetaminophen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Acetaminophen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I thought that was the proper term for Tylenol.
Yeah, hmm, hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Vice versa.
Yeah Well, we definitelylearned.
It's tomatoes, nick.
Come on now.
Well, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I figured they had to call it the other thing before
Tylenol.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yes, like the scientific term.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Well, I think the scientific term is acetaminophen
.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
It's minifin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Okay, yes, yes, but it's always Tylenol, tylenol,
tylenol.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Same with Motrin and ibuprofen.
Yeah, you know interchangeable.
Yeah, but if you call itibuprofen they're like what's
that If they're the person thatcalls it Motrin?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
you know Advil, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Advil leave Naproxen, all of those yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Whose turn is it to pray?
Probably mine, I don't know,Beth, know, beth gave me a look
like I think it's mine because?

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
okay, because didn't we have Pastor Michael?
Pray, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, soit's my turn.
All right, let me get it.
Get it started for you here,dear precious heavenly father.
We come to you.
Lord, we just thank you thatyou did make each one of us
unique, and, um, what a boringworld this would be if we were
all the same and we all foughtalike.
Lord Jesus, lord, you createdus to be your hands and feet.
Lord, I just pray that when wefeel weak, we know that you are

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strong.
And, lord, let us fix our eyeson you at all times.
Lord Jesus, lord, I just askand pray that you take us all
home safely and bring us back tothe next appointed time, and
all these things I ask and prayin your son's most precious and
holy name.
Amen, amen.