April 17, 2023 • 42 mins
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Logitech BRIO (00:00):
Hi.
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And welcome to Habits forHumans, the podcast that
explores and what makes peopletick and how to program this
brain of ours to do what we wantit to do.
I'm your host Kim Flynn, andtoday I'm cracking up laughing
y'all because I just filmed,this is my second time filming
this because I just filmed theintroduction to the lovely
Brandon Gilbert who's about toshare his content with us.
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And his topic is why medicinalmushrooms are something most
everyone should be taking.
And these are medicinalmushrooms that are an additional
bus rooms, that are herbalmushrooms for the stomach.
And I just randomly assumed thatthis was where psilocybin that
we were talking about otherkinds of mushrooms.
And he's That's not what we'retalking about today.
So I have to crack up laughing.
Brandon, thank you forcorrecting me.
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Maybe we'll have even morelisteners listening to non
psilocybin mushrooms.
Why medicinal mushrooms aresomething you should be taking.
I have never even heard of this.
I all I know about is themushrooms that I put in my
salad.
And psilocybin.
So you're gonna educate us onthe other types of mushrooms.
We have a giveaway for ourlisteners at the end.
So Brandon's got an offer for usat the end, and I've got some
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free giveaways and some freetraining for you at the end.
So if you like free stuff, staytuned to the end and a word from
our sponsor, habits for Humansis brought to you by Retreat
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We train life coaches andbusiness coaches and wellness
business owners, how to build aretreat, how to add a retreat
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And we host retreats in CostaRica.
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Teaching you how to hostretreats, if that makes sense.
So I'm so excited to introduceBrandon Gilbert.
Brandon has been deeplyinterested in studying Eastern
philosophy since the age of 14as a serial entrepreneur, he
started his first business in2006, and after going deep in
the alternative health field toresolve his own health issues,
he felt motivated to share hisviews and experiences with a
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larger audience.
So he created a YouTube channelcalled hyperion tv.com.
In 2009, built up a following, Ithink, of tens of thousands of
followers, and then launchedHyperion Herbs in 2010.
And after the profound effecttonic herbs had on his life, he
founded Hyperion Herbs to sharepurely potent tonic herbs and
make them accessible and easy, aavail, easily available like
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never before.
He has taught many classes andworkshops, both online and in
person, in a wide variety ofsubjects ranging from
alternative health and healingmodalities, herbalism, internal
arts, and Eastern philosophy.
But not psilocybin.
So I know that now in additionto running Hyperion Herbs and
Hyperion tv, he spends andinvest many hours per day
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training internal arts likeChiang Nigo and Tai Chi.
Maybe I said those right thistime and various setting
practices.
So welcome Brandon.
How was my pronunciation onthose?
Definitely expert level.
Yeah.
Thanks so much.
I'm a master.
Yes, absolutely.
All right, let's dive into itthen.
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We always start out with thenumber one habit to manage your
own mental wellness.
So what's a practice or 12 thatyou do to manage the daily
stress of life?
Yeah, for me, I think Tai Chi isthe most powerful thing.
Above and beyond, any supplementor any substance or anything
else that I've taken or everdone.
And I say that because.
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At the deepest, or one of the,one of the more important
mechanisms of Tai chi isactually rewiring completely how
your system responds to anystressor, whether that's mental,
emotional, physical or whatever.
Any type of stressor that yourbody encounters usually engages
what we call your fight orflight response, which we're all
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pretty familiar with because Ithink at least as modern humans,
most of us exist in that statefairly constantly.
Especially if we're trying tocompete and do things in the
world.
That's an aspect of fight orflight.
So basically in, in a literal,tangible, visceral, practical,
repeatable way, Tai Chi teachesyou how to directly interface
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with your nervous system andrelease things from your nervous
system.
So on a day-to-day level, yourelease things before they can
even accumulate.
And then, as you go deeper intoit, if as you put in hours and
as you get more proficient anddevelop the skills and the
qualities, you're able to godeeper and deeper all the way to
the really, some of the deepestaspects of your nervous system
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and completely rewire your fightor flight response to where
there's a handful of pretty highlevel practitioners that I know,
and they actually don't have afight or flight response.
It's literally physical,physiologically impossible for
their organism to registerstress under any circumstance.
Now that's obviously a pretty,pretty high level attainment and
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something that took them manyyears.
But they, yeah, they reached itand they have physiologically no
fight or flight response.
But that's just one aspect.
Tai Chi can go off in manydifferent areas and many
different avenues, but at leastfor me, that's my biggest daily
practice.
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Okay, so I am a Tai Chi newbie.
I've never done it before.
I've only seen it in movies andseen it in parks.
I know nothing about it.
From a brand newbie perspective,it looks like a cool practice
that older people do.
Will you walk me through howit's different than yoga, how
it's different than meditationand kind of like you're telling
me, you're showing me the viewfrom the end of the road, like
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the end of the road is you havecomplete mastery over your body,
essentially with no flight orflight.
But that's obviously not how itstarts.
So will you walk us through thesteps of how that happens and
how, why Tai Chi why does TaiChi do that?
Yeah, definitely.
I think in modern times, We havean amazing opportunity because
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we can access a lot of thingsfrom a lot of different
cultures, from a lot ofdifferent historical periods,
which is great.
But the downside is we lack thediscernment, we lack the
framework, and we lack reallythe a, the skilled authorities
in those things.
For us to be able to easilydifferentiate the difference
between meditation, thedifference between meditation
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and yoga, the difference betweenmeditation, yoga, tai chi versus
Qigong versus nag, versus abunch of other things that I can
name that when we hear them, wecommonly just put them all in
the same basket.
And what I'm describing and whatI practice and what I've
dedicated my life to seeking outand finding is really the
truest, the most authentic andthe actual substance behind what
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many of those words mean.
And I can say that they all canhave a degree of similarity
because obviously, It's a humanorganism.
Like it's working with therelationship between the mind
and the body.
And so of course, if you'reusing that sort of interface,
then of course there's gonna bea lot of similarity.
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But there's also, I would say,an insanely amount.
There's an insane amount ofdifferences.
And we could spend months goingover these things.
And just in my opinion, fromwhat I've seen over the years
especially Tai Chi and many ofthese other arts are by far and
away the most complicated,intricate, difficult things that
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humans have done and have puttogether, like beyond, above,
far and beyond anything else.
But basically how that wouldstart and how that would.
Really interface with what we'recommonly associated with, which
is like people moving slowly orgentle exercise that old people
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do.
Basically, it comes back to itis what it is.
So what I mean by that is ifsomeone is just moving slowly
and maybe breathing deeply,that's literally all that
they're doing.
That's not, Tai Chi has nothingto do with it.
They might be doing likechoreography, dance movements,
whatever, from Tai Chi, or ifit's meditation, they might be
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sitting quietly with theirthoughts, with their attention,
turned inwards.
But that's not meditation.
It's literally just sitting,trying to be calm and turning
your attention inwards.
That's it.
Tai Chi is a specific.
Dare I say, scientific formula,scientific process of developing
specific internal qualities andtaking your body through a
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specific, repeatable, somewhatlinear process of development.
And basically for me, I'm afreak.
I'm a weirdo.
So to me that really appeals tome in the fact of dealing with
the difficulty and the gruelingnature of what the practice
actually is.
As I'm okay with it, it's fine,but I have the luxury of time
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and for most people to genuinelyin interface with these arts in
a meaningful way, it's gonnarequire hours of practice every
day over the course of years.
If you're lucky enough to find areally skilled teacher, which I
think that's outside of therealm of, possibility for a lot
of us.
So yeah.
Hopefully that sheds a littlebit of clarity.
I wish I've mostly, oh, goahead.
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Sure.
I'm mostly more confused becauselisten to these words.
You used the grueling nature,right?
The grueling, and I'm laughingbecause I'm from a perspective
of it looks like gentle movementin the park, right?
So will you walk us through, andI'm totally believe you and I'm
on board with you.
I'm just laughing at myself andmy inability to grasp, tell me
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about the grueling nature, likewhat is going on and what's the
journey?
Cuz obviously it starts foreveryone as we're learning
motions, right?
I'm guessing that's where itstarts.
W when does it start to shiftand what does it start to shift
to?
Walk me through that, if youdon't mind.
Yeah.
To be honest, it's completelyunderstandable.
This is not a natural thing.
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This is completely opposite tohow the human body works.
It's completely opposite to howlife works and.
So much has been lost intranslation in the modern world
that what we're familiar with islike a McDonald's Disneyland
version of what the real thingactually is and means, and I
will say this with any, just, Iwould just pose this question to
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anyone listening.
Anything in life that ismeaningful requires sacrifice,
dedication, focus, skill, liketrial and error, making
mistakes, investment.
We, we can accept that, whetherit's starting a business losing
weight, getting in shape,lifting weights, any of those
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things we can understand aregonna be uncomfortable,
unpleasant.
You wouldn't go to the gym andsay, I want to be.
Lift deadlift 400 pounds.
And you wouldn't, but youwouldn't go there and say, but I
don't wanna experience anydiscomfort.
I would like for it to be aseasy and as comfortable as
possible.
People are gonna look at youlike what planet are you living
on?
Or if you want to say, you knowwhat, I'd like to be a
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billionaire, but I don't wannamake any sacrifices.
I don't wanna have to do anywork.
I don't wanna have to learnanything.
I don't wanna have to make anymistakes.
I just wanna feel realcomfortable and relaxed on my
journey for making 60 K a yearto making a billion dollars a
year.
People are gonna look at youlike are you're sure in the
right wor ensure in the rightdimension here.
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So let's say that's just fairlymundane human level things, but
let's say you wanna say, youknow what, I want to go after
completely rewiring my entireorganism and maybe even have the
potentiality of accessingsomething beyond the human
realm.
Wouldn't you think that wouldproportionately have an incre,
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like an even higher level ofdifficulty?
Like how difficult is it for usto just maybe change our diet
slightly?
For most of us, it's a challengewhen people spend their lives.
Like I can think of my mom, forexample.
She's been trying to lose weightsince I was a kid.
You know what I mean?
It's just been a constantstruggle and that's just, in
least of my opinion, that'ssomething very small in compared
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to completely rewiring theentire functionality of your
organism and your nervous systemin this lifetime and working
backwards.
So basically how that would evenstart is, again, like I was
saying earlier, the interfacebetween the mind and the body
and then basically, at leastwith Tai Chi and these
practices, it's usually gonnastart withstanding.
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And then basically reallygetting your mind to penetrate
and soak into your body almost afluid into a sponge basically.
Because for most of us, our bodyis just like a block.
It's just like we feel where ourhands are.
We are aware of where our limbsare, but it's can we feel the
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fluid flows?
Can you tell what your extremebro spinal fluid is doing?
Can you tell what yourinterstitial fluid is doing?
Can you consciously manipulateyour blood circulation?
Can you mani?
Can you move your liver around?
Can you do all these subtlethings?
No, but it's all possible.
It's just what we start off isthings are like a brick where
it's oh, okay.
I feel my shoulders are reallytight.
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I feel my hips are tight, andthen it's.
Okay.
It's where you start.
But then gradually over time, asyou develop your awareness and
your is able to soak deeper anddeeper into your body to where
you can feel your skin versusyour fascia, versus your muscles
versus your ligaments versusyour tendons, versus your fluids
versus your blood, versus yourbones versus your nerves.
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All these different things.
Your mind can feel exactlywhat's happening in each of
those systems.
And then basically through aprocess of release, basically
those systems go from a place ofrelative tension and contraction
to opening up.
Things open up, things release.
It's almost like a water system.
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If you have a pipe with waterflowing it, flowing through it,
and you squeeze it, the watergets constricted and eventually
one in backs up and you createproblems.
But if you actually open it upand the flows are easing and
efficient, then the function ofthat system actually goes up.
The body is really similar, atleast on a physical level.
And even on a mental, emotionallevel, it's extremely
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mechanical.
Like I've had moments where Ithought I was like really
stressed or anxious or whatever,but actually as soon as I got
the blood to drain out of myhead, it completely went away.
So I was like, oh, years ofmental emotional stuff actually
just had a really simple likemechanical physiological thing.
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So I'm like sharing some ofthese principles in kind of an
abstract way.
Yeah.
Because to actually in interfacewith it in a meaningful way,
like you need a teacher, youneed hours of time to, to really
get into it.
And what I'm saying doesn't makesense, but when you actually
step into those waters and have,and go through the process, it
all makes sense.
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So it's, it sounds like I'mbeing confusing or being vague
or abstract, but I'm actuallybeing quite specific.
No, that's, it's just that ifyou don't have the, if you don't
have the experience for it, thenit's foreign.
And that's the other importantthing to realize about all these
types of arts is that they'reinherently experiential and
tangible and visceral and real.
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They're not make believe orsubtle or based in visualization
or hope or fantasy or any ofthose things.
It's it's extremely real andextremely dense.
And extremely tangible.
Okay.
And that, that goes for anythingon the spiritual realm as well,
because they all.
Interface and relate.
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I wanna go way back.
That was a great explanation.
I wanna go way.
To the McDonald's version of theReal thing.
I think that phrase hits it onthe head we want something
that's so manufactured andpurchased, and so it makes
sense.
So I've been practicing yoga forprobably, I don't know, maybe
three years now.
Pretty, pretty dedicated.
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And I go to the local yogastudio and, and for the first, I
don't know, probably two years,it was, let's do the poses.
Let's, and even for the firstsix months, it was like, oh, I'm
not as flexible as that person.
It was like a competitivecomparison thing.
And slowly it shifted.
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After a couple of years to now,it's completely my own
experience.
I have no idea what else in thecla in the classroom is doing.
Really?
Who cares?
Like they're having their ownexperience.
And just now, three years intoit, getting to a place where I
am really focusing on what'shappening inside of my body,
right?
So I think, okay, this is threeyears in, man, it's probably
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gonna take 30 more years to beable to get to a place where you
truly are in that place thatyou're talking about.
So if I've been doing this forthree years what's my time tr
trajectory looking like?
If I were to order this on aMcDonald's menu, that's what I'm
looking for.
Again, I'm looking for you totake the spiritual and make it
like menu, McDonald's menuconcrete.
But give me some guidance here.
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If I were doing Tai Chi, I'mguessing it'd be a similar
experience.
You start with just themovements and then you realize
it has nothing to do with themovements.
Is that correct or not as much?
There's obviously the humanvariable as well.
And there's also differentmechanics because, modern yoga
is, eh, I don't know.
I've known people that have doneit for a long time and, doesn't
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necessarily do a lot for thembecause the reason why people's
muscles are tight isn't becausetheir muscles are tight.
Do you know what I mean?
So for example, I can illustratethis, how it made me Tai Chi
with.
Who would approach it a littlebit differently.
Typically how yoga is let's sayI want to, I don't know, relax
my shoulder or something, right?
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So I'm gonna take it to the inrange and then try to increase
that in range through breathingand releasing and relaxing and
whatever, to hopefully, likemaybe in, at least in my mind,
make that muscle not tight ormake that muscle longer, right?
Or whether that's my hamstringsdoing a forward fold or the
front line of my body in thefront line of my spine doing a
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backend, or basically that's thegeneral idea is go to your end
range and maybe try to make thatend range a little bit longer,
which is why people are soobsessed with I'm, they're more
open than I am, whatever.
But in actuality there'sactually, at least
physiologically there's a lot ofharm that can come from making
your muscles too slack, likehyper mobile, hyper flacid.
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And actually I've known quite alot of people that have done
yoga for a long period of timeand gotten actually quite
injured.
They develop hip pain and jointpain because the elasticity and
their tissues gets relaxed andreleased out, and their bones
start doing this.
So that's a whole other thing.
But getting back to my point, ifI, let's say in Tai Chi, the
stretch isn't, how much can Imove my arm over here?
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It's actually how much can thetissue expand and stretch off of
the bone?
So actually I can stand and Ican put myself in basically any
posture and put my body in themost intense, grueling stretch
that I've ever experienced.
I wanna vomit, I wanna fallover.
I start I'll start sweating.
Like my body will be veryuncomfortable very quickly.
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But it's a completely differentmode of action.
And it doesn't look like I'mdoing like a crazy posture.
So even if I stand like this, orif I put my arm up like this, or
do literally anything I can, ifI wanna pick my shoulder in the
same way, I can basically justrelease the tension that's
holding the shoulder.
And now basically my body ishaving to engage all these
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deeper tissues to basicallybrace against gravity.
But if I'm mentally release moreagainst that, my body actually
starts to, the tissues starts totwist and move over the bone.
So that's the biggest thing tounderstand, at least with
something like authentic TaiChi, is that it's not about
moving my joints around, it'sactually the tissues moving over
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the bone.
And that's why these are calledinternal arts, because typically
how the body moves like yoga orweightlifting or running, is
through hinges.
Hinges and joints.
That's how, that's what'snatural for the body to do.
That's natural.
The most efficient thing for thebody to do.
If you wanna lift something upwith your arm contract, your
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bicep, duh.
But in terms of something likeTai Chi, if I wanted to move my
arm like this, I would actuallyfirst relax all the tension.
And then if I wanna sink my armdown, now it's actually insanely
difficult because I'm and if youpalpate it in my tissues,
they're all lifted off of thebone and I'm actually getting
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sweaty, like my, this armpit isactually all sweaty cuz of all
the increased blood flow andit's actually the completely
opposite mechanic.
But just from whatever 90seconds doing stupid stuff,
whatever, like that arm isnoticeably looser and warmer and
more hydrated than my other arm.
So it's a completely differentmechanic.
But basically how that wasstarted is through standing,
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because basically, We all have arelationship to gravity, right?
We're all dealing with gravityall the time.
So basically, through our lives,we've accumulated all this built
up stress and tension throughall the different layers of our
body to basically keep ussupported in dealing with
gravity.
So we typically don't reallyfeel it that much.
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So what you do is actuallycompletely unnatural, completely
opposite, and stupid.
You start off by mentallysuspending your skeleton in
space and then relaxing all ofthe tension off of your
skeleton.
So then basically at least forme, because of where I am, that
actually creates a stretch.
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That's how I create a stretch inmy body.
I relax and my body expandsoutwards.
But that's not where you start.
Obviously when you start you,you feel like, oh, this is
locked this is locked this, youfeel, oh, there's this injury.
From this however many years agothat I didn't know about.
So then you're mentally juststanding there and then
eventually letting your tissuesand stuff released and sink
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down.
And that basically is thaws theice, if you think about, or if
it takes the block of concreteand starts to liquefy it down so
that gravity doesn't hit yourbody and go have all these like
jagged stuck pieces, which thentakes your skeleton and just
squishes it down.
So then when it squishes itdown, you're like, pain here,
pain in my back, pain here, da,joint degradation, all those
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things.
So actuality you train theopposite response.
So then when you encountergravity system actually expands
outwards.
So what that means is, yeah, allmy tissues separate out, but
actually the spaces in myjoints, the spaces between all
of my bones actually.
Increases as well.
And personally speaking, I usedto have knee pain, back pain,
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neck pain my hips cuz I did yogafor about 10 years as well, and
I was like a desk worker and allthose things.
So as a result, my hip bone wasjammed into my pelvis.
So when I moved it, I literallyheard bone on bone.
I don't have that anymore.
Why?
Because I created space.
I trained the completely un thecomplete opposite, unnatural
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response.
So usually when we encounter agravity or a stressor tense or
we use intention, we try to makeour body do something.
Whereas Tai Chi is the oppositeresponse of, oh my god,
stressor.
So it just, like I said, it's acompletely different response.
It's a completely differentmechanism, and it's not easy
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because when you go through theprocess, you feel weaker, you
feel less strong in your body.
You are letting go of all ofyour protection, all your
defense mechanisms, basically.
You spent 40 years building upthis identity that, that you
feel makes you feel strong andcompetent, and you're just
letting all of that go.
It's the complete opposite ofwhat we want.
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We wanna feel good, we wannafeel stronger, we wanna feel all
these stimulating things.
And this is actually saying no.
How about none of those things?
So I, I don't really recommendit for people to be totally
honest.
And I feel like most of the timeI'm like a Debbie Downer or like
a buzz.
Because as you were alluding toearlier with the McDonald's
Disneyland version of things,everyone just wants tell us the
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three quick, easy steps tomaster Tai Chi and whatever,
because this is what everyoneelse is offering and this is
what everyone else is doing.
But the thing is those thingsdon't really produce the
results.
I, personally speaking, I didall that stuff for 10, 15 years
and got basically nowhere and Igot kicked out of multiple Tai
Chi and internal art schoolsbecause I was.
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Why is there nothing reallyhappening?
There's nothing here.
You're just teaching memovements.
There has to be more to this andI just got kicked out of so many
schools and I've made so manypeople mad.
And even still to this day, somany people get offended.
But I'm like, look, I'm justsaying I invested in, wasted
this amount of time in my lifeand then I actually found stuff
that was actually real andineffective and useful.
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And now I try to present it andshare it to people and then for
some reason just get very upset.
But then I look at my teachersand other people online and I
see the same thing.
So I think that's just some oftheir deeper principle that
humans have going on.
This is like the trend.
So I've done three podcasts thisweek so far.
This is my last, but three threeso far, and this is the trend
that I'm hearing.
I am hearing a big movement awayfrom McDonald's justifying
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things, right?
I'm I talked to someone who lostlike 140 pounds many years ago,
and it took her six years to getthere, and she wasn't even
focused on the weight.
She was just focused on lovingherself, right?
Like we're starting to see thisbig shift away from the easy
click bait away from McDonald'sdefying and into what is real.
And maybe US culture doesn'thave a lot of what is real in
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it.
Maybe we need to go beyond tofind Yeah.
The deeper hu human experienceand things that really heal.
It just reminds me of somethingthat has been on my mind.
I made a video about it a fewmonths ago and it's, it ties in
perfectly and exactly with whatyou're saying and what I, cuz
I've been interested in healthand healing and spirituality and
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alternative diets and evenpsychedelics and all these other
things since like 2004.
In full-time.
Like I'm obsessive, I believe itreally haven't had, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I just, for whateverreason, the way I was born and
the way I was raised, like mybrain just developed for better
or worse, differently than a lotof other people's a lot of other
people's.
So I've been into this stuffpretty heavily.
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And I'm also by nature kind ofa, what many people would call
critical and judgemental,meaning I look at my own
experience and then I also lookat other people's experience.
So if I meet someone who's beendoing something for 20 years and
I'm like you've been doing thishealth thing for 20 years, but
you're not healthy, or maybe youare.
Then let me see, what did you doand what was your mindset?
What was your belief system?
Who were your teachers?
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All these things.
So I can maybe try to shorten mylearning curve a little bit and
learn from other people'sexperience.
And a lot of people for somereason call that being
judgmental, but whatever.
But my point is, and what I'vebeen thinking about it is
perfect to what you're saying isit seems like there's the
mindset of always loweringeverything to the absolute
lowest common denominator.
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Which I understand in terms ofmaybe accessibility or what
people believe is accessible orwhatever else, but that's the
world and the culture we've beenliving in for quite a while.
The problem is that if youstretch that out across multiple
generations, you dumb thingsdown on step one.
So then step two learns a dumbdown version.
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So then step two is now teachinga dumb down version of a dumb
down version.
Then you have step three.
So you have a dumb down versionof a dumb down version of a dumb
down version, and you keepstretching that out.
And then what are you left with?
Some weird Frankenstein likecheap thing that is inherently
empty.
So then you have to grab andfill in all these other things
to be like, oh, maybe this isthe thing.
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Which is why the other commonthing that people love to do in
modern times is fusion.
Oh, I do this style of yoga cuzit's blended with this.
Or I do this style of tai chihas blended with that.
Or I do psychedelic plantmedicine, shaman, ayahuasca,
yoga, healing, sound journeying,like cram everything into one.
But the thing is I see peoplethat have been doing these
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things and they're not better.
They're just looking for thenext thing.
Because inherently where theystarted from was inherently
empty and was inherently missinga lot of things.
And I have videos in my YouTubechannel where I've critiqued the
hippie generation in America,because that's where a lot of
this stuff started and pointedout this was their erroneous
assumptions that they took theirmisunderstanding of their poor
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misunderstanding of a concept,and then that became everyone
else's starting place.
Whether that's Tim Leary or AlanWatts or Rom Dass, or the list
goes on of people that had noreal skill, no real experience,
nothing other than being goodwith words and good with
intellect.
And then now this is what awhole culture and a whole thing
(28:49):
is built on.
I'm like, whoa, that's not gonnago really anywhere too positive.
It's just gonna keep repeatingthe same thing, which is just
more consum consumerism and morejust hype and stimulation, which
is basically just.
The exact thing that it wassupposed to be an alternative
to.
Because mainstream marketing andentertainment and media and
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culture is all about how do Ipoke your fight or flight
response in a certain way toelicit a certain response for a
specific agenda.
So basically that's how we'reall conditioned in program.
Cause that's the world we grewup in.
That's the world we live in.
That's it.
I'm not saying it's good or bad,right or wrong, it just, it is
what it is.
But you take that and now yousay you wanna do something
different, alternative, butyou're still operating under the
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exact same mechanisms.
That's not ever gonna work,especially when you're looking
at something that has thecomplete opposite mechanisms.
So that's just something Iarrived at after, I don't know,
20 years in this industry.
I think you just nailed it rightthere.
I wish that were like ourleading sentence for the podcast
(29:52):
because that is like, there'syour thesis statement right
there, okay, so if we're in thisculture that is trying to grab
more, more, because it's emptycalories.
We're essentially eating emptycalories, right?
We're snacking on potato chips.
And but you said that, this guy,they're not the place to go.
Who are the authentic teachersand leaders?
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That's gonna be my nextquestion.
That has to be our last questioncuz we're running over.
But this is so fascinating tome.
So where do we go if we'relooking for the real meat and
we're tired of the three stepsto, whatever piece, abundance,
prosperity.
Yeah, I think I'll share that.
And I think it, it really isuseful to each person to
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investigate exactly what they'rereally after.
Because typically what we thinkwe want is oftentimes not what
we actually want.
I actually did a video aboutthis years ago where I wrote
down all of the things thatpeople actually mean by the word
spirituality and how none ofthem actually refer to what
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spirituality actually means.
And I'm just saying, look, it'snot g it's not good or bad, or
right or wrong.
I'm just saying for clarity'ssake, if you're really wanting
community, and that's reallywhat you mean by this term or
connection to others, then it'smore efficient to understand
this is what you mean and thisis what you want.
So seek that out directly ratherthan saying it's the same thing
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and trying to do this wholeother thing.
To me I just think that's beinghonest and having some clarity
and discernment within ourselvesis just a much more useful
application of our time becauselife is short.
And tragically people invest.
I've, I can't tell you thepeople, amount of people I've
met that have invested more thanlonger than I've been alive in
like Tai Chi and stuff, and theyhave.
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Nothing, zero skill.
Like I went to one workshop withone teacher and I already knew
and had more skill than they didafter 50 years of practice.
And I just felt whoa, dude, thissucks.
So any, anyways, I was like, Idon't wanna be that guy.
So for Wanda, I think that's thefirst thing to see is what do we
actually want?
What are really after?
And also what are we willing toinvest?
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Because like I was sayingearlier, any real skill, any
real change requires investment,requires dedication, requires
sacrifice.
That's just life.
There's no real way around that.
No one can replace that for you.
So at least in my opinion, myexperience in terms of Tai Chi
and internal arts, and evenmeditation, even though.
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Me, like genuine real meditationis so far beyond myself and I
would say pretty much all of usfor what it actually is and for
what it actually means.
Cause there's actually only onedefinition for meditation there.
O has only ever been onepractice of meditation with
under one definition.
Realistically, historicallyspeaking singular.
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Whereas in modern times,obviously it can mean I'm in a
garden, I feel relaxed, I'm in abubble bath.
It can mean all these differentthings, but that's not what the
term actually means.
But that's so far beyond.
So anyways, coming back toanswering your question,
basically I would say BruceFrancis is a guy that people can
access.
He's a little bit old now and heis definitely softened and
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watered down his teachings a bitfor modern people.
But he's very good.
Adam Eisner is also very goodfor Tai Chi, but you have to
actually be an official discipleof him to really get a lot of
the inner teachings.
And then Damo Mitchell isanother one who is insanely
skilled across a whole lot ofdifferent things.
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And all three of these peopleare pretty easily accessible and
have a, an online presence andthey share a lot of stuff.
And they're also coincidentally,pretty disliked by a lot of
people because they're actuallygood which is a whole other
conversation.
But the other thing too is ifyou learn about those three
people and the amount of insanedifficulty in suffering they had
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to go through to acquire thisknowledge, then at least you can
historically contextualize howinaccessible and out of reach
this stuff actually is andactually should be.
And how the idea that we shouldjust be able to pop on to
gaia.com or some website and belike, oh yes, millions of people
suffered their entire life forthis, but you know what?
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I'm a modern person.
I'll just pop on pay 9 99 and Iget this and now I'm spiritual.
It's I don't know.
But again, it comes back tohistory and modern context and
all these different things.
So again, there's no realshortcuts and I can say
genuinely undertaking thesethings.
A really strong way is terrible,really uncomfortable, really
(34:36):
unpleasant, and I don'trecommend it.
That being said, if you justwant some relaxation, maybe
improve your health a littlebit.
That's way less grueling anddemanding and probably a little
bit more accessible to people.
So those three people have,plenty of books and online
courses and workshops anddifferent things that people can
access.
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And more importantly, they haveteachers that they have taught
because you, for all this stuff,you need a teacher, you need a
human being.
You need someone there.
Absolutely.
And actually there's some stuffthat you absolutely cannot even
do on your own.
You need the actual direct inputof that person.
And this is just also talkingabout the kind of mundane,
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physiological aspects.
There are absolutely reallyinsane, crazy esoteric stuff and
stuff that people wouldn't evenbelieve that's possible.
It's all in there.
It's just pretty far down theline.
And that's not really in thepublic eye.
So I don't really talk about it,even though that is the world I
live in.
I tend to just focus on thephysiological kind of health
(35:38):
based stuff cause it's a littlemore relatable and people don't
think you're completely insane.
No, I totally, I get that.
I totally get that.
Man, you're so interesting.
We never even mentionedmushrooms and I don't care at
all.
That was way more interesting.
So thank you so much for takingus on that journey.
You mentioned quite a few timesyour videos.
Let's point people to thatresource.
Will you talk about that for aminute?
(36:00):
Yeah, absolutely.
Hyper and tv.com.
So I have all my YouTube videosand I've well over 700 on there
talking about, Chinese medicine,herbalism, tonic herbs,
adaptogens, mushrooms, health,Chinese philosophy, Tai chi, all
internal arts, these differentthings.
It's all on there.
It's all free.
And, personally I've beenthrough a lot and when I was in,
(36:22):
I tried therapy a few years agowhen I was like talking to this
lady e even, she was like, holyshit man.
So I share this stuff from aplace of personal experience,
from someone who, spent my, Ispent most of my life on not
even wanting to be alivehonestly.
Just so it's like I canunderstand the pain that we all
experience.
The pretty realistic way.
(36:42):
And I don't share these thingslightly and I don't say things
lightly.
And I'm not being hyperbolic insaying that when I say this
actually does A, B, and C and itcan actually genuinely help
people.
I wouldn't say that if it wasn'tabundantly true and clear in
myself, but also been repeatedacross millions of other people
(37:03):
throughout history.
And I have like tons of crazystories of people that have
recovered from things that wedon't believe people should be
able to recover and heal from.
And I say that partially becauseI think unfortunately our modern
health system doesn't reallyhave a lot of options for
people.
I know that's.
(37:25):
Trigger warning, but in terms ofpeople absolutely legitimately
getting over something, I don'tthink we have a lot of options.
I think we have a lot of optionsfor coping, meaning oh, you
broke your legs, so okay, forthe rest of your life you're
gonna have this weird walk andthis weird posture, but here's
how you can be comfortable doingthat.
I'm more like, how can Icompletely forget that event
(37:46):
ever occurred and completelyremove it from my entire system
as if it never happened and I'mhealthier as a result?
I don't think there's a lot ofoptions for that, unfortunately,
at least I never found them.
I looked for 20 years, didn'tsee that many.
I didn't see any of my friendsor many of my clients are the
thousands of people that I'vetalked to and met over the
years, which is I think, sad.
(38:08):
I hope, hopefully someday we doget there.
But I feel like things, at leastTai Chi and some of these other
things were actually done in prpracticed in a legitimate way.
Can genuinely, like I said,release stuff from people's
nervous system.
Like I can't tell you the amountof bad stuff that's happened to
me that I've completelyforgotten about, where it's
(38:29):
difficult for me now to actuallybe very emotional.
Like I can be mad at someone onMonday and like my Tuesday I'll
can, I can forget, like I feellike I was mad at them, but I
just, I don't remember why so Imean it's just, and I, at least
for me that's a more comfortableway to live than constantly
being upset all the time andhanging onto emotions and all
(38:52):
these different things.
And I think really in terms ofjust being a comfortable human
being, that's what I think thisstuff can offer, which is why
I've dedicated my life to it.
Thank you so much for sharing.
My biggest takeaway mightsurprise.
My biggest takeaway first of allis the way you describe how
empty our culture is and how we,just grab it all bunch of stuff,
(39:14):
trying to find that nutritionthat we don't have culturally,
like all these deep spiritualtraditions that we just don't
have access to here.
So that's my, one of my bigtakeaways.
My other big takeaway isactually about you.
I am so grateful for a planetwhere everyone has different
wirings, different ways ourbrains work.
You talk about being obsessivethat obsessiveness serves
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humanity, and you're like, andthat's allowed you to become a
master in a few things.
And I think as a culturebenefits all of us.
It's just really cool to see youin your element and just wanna
honor that that we're all builtdifferently in, man.
Our skills really do.
They're needed.
So it's cool to hear that.
(39:58):
Awesome.
That was Thanksgiving feast.
I keep going back to food.
I must be hungry.
Every analogy I have is aboutfood.
So thank you so much for that.
Let me go back to my littlescript here.
I'm totally like I, I'm, Iforgot I was doing a podcast.
I was just listening to you.
So here's the rest of thepodcast.
As we wrap things up, reminder,the goal of this podcast is to
(40:18):
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To build a life beyond its fine.
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And I think Brandon would say,yeah let's go deep.
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Brandon, you have to give us twominutes.
Two minutes on Hyperion herbs.
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And I think the mushrooms that Isell are some of the best tools
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And I've really, I think that inthe last, I don't know, 15 plus
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So definitely recommend peoplechecking those out.
Awesome.
And it's a lot of information onmy YouTube channel, a lot of
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And they can also just email meif they have any questions.
I'm happy to, provideinformation or recommendations.
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Hyperion tv.com.
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Tell me if I have that right orwrong, and Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
Hyperion TV and Hyperion Herbs.
So check out Brandon, either oneof those, and thank you so much
for joining us, Brandon.
That was a meal and thanks forour listeners.
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And for our listeners, thank youin advance for giving us a
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Hi.
(00:00):
And welcome to Habits forHumans, the podcast that
explores and what makes peopletick and how to program this
brain of ours to do what we wantit to do.
I'm your host Kim Flynn, andtoday I'm cracking up laughing
y'all because I just filmed,this is my second time filming
this because I just filmed theintroduction to the lovely
Brandon Gilbert who's about toshare his content with us.
(00:20):
And his topic is why medicinalmushrooms are something most
everyone should be taking.
And these are medicinalmushrooms that are an additional
bus rooms, that are herbalmushrooms for the stomach.
And I just randomly assumed thatthis was where psilocybin that
we were talking about otherkinds of mushrooms.
And he's That's not what we'retalking about today.
So I have to crack up laughing.
Brandon, thank you forcorrecting me.
(00:41):
Maybe we'll have even morelisteners listening to non
psilocybin mushrooms.
Why medicinal mushrooms aresomething you should be taking.
I have never even heard of this.
I all I know about is themushrooms that I put in my
salad.
And psilocybin.
So you're gonna educate us onthe other types of mushrooms.
We have a giveaway for ourlisteners at the end.
So Brandon's got an offer for usat the end, and I've got some
(01:02):
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So if you like free stuff, staytuned to the end and a word from
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Teaching you how to hostretreats, if that makes sense.
So I'm so excited to introduceBrandon Gilbert.
Brandon has been deeplyinterested in studying Eastern
philosophy since the age of 14as a serial entrepreneur, he
started his first business in2006, and after going deep in
the alternative health field toresolve his own health issues,
he felt motivated to share hisviews and experiences with a
(01:46):
larger audience.
So he created a YouTube channelcalled hyperion tv.com.
In 2009, built up a following, Ithink, of tens of thousands of
followers, and then launchedHyperion Herbs in 2010.
And after the profound effecttonic herbs had on his life, he
founded Hyperion Herbs to sharepurely potent tonic herbs and
make them accessible and easy, aavail, easily available like
(02:07):
never before.
He has taught many classes andworkshops, both online and in
person, in a wide variety ofsubjects ranging from
alternative health and healingmodalities, herbalism, internal
arts, and Eastern philosophy.
But not psilocybin.
So I know that now in additionto running Hyperion Herbs and
Hyperion tv, he spends andinvest many hours per day
(02:28):
training internal arts likeChiang Nigo and Tai Chi.
Maybe I said those right thistime and various setting
practices.
So welcome Brandon.
How was my pronunciation onthose?
Definitely expert level.
Yeah.
Thanks so much.
I'm a master.
Yes, absolutely.
All right, let's dive into itthen.
(02:48):
We always start out with thenumber one habit to manage your
own mental wellness.
So what's a practice or 12 thatyou do to manage the daily
stress of life?
Yeah, for me, I think Tai Chi isthe most powerful thing.
Above and beyond, any supplementor any substance or anything
else that I've taken or everdone.
And I say that because.
(03:10):
At the deepest, or one of the,one of the more important
mechanisms of Tai chi isactually rewiring completely how
your system responds to anystressor, whether that's mental,
emotional, physical or whatever.
Any type of stressor that yourbody encounters usually engages
what we call your fight orflight response, which we're all
(03:33):
pretty familiar with because Ithink at least as modern humans,
most of us exist in that statefairly constantly.
Especially if we're trying tocompete and do things in the
world.
That's an aspect of fight orflight.
So basically in, in a literal,tangible, visceral, practical,
repeatable way, Tai Chi teachesyou how to directly interface
(03:54):
with your nervous system andrelease things from your nervous
system.
So on a day-to-day level, yourelease things before they can
even accumulate.
And then, as you go deeper intoit, if as you put in hours and
as you get more proficient anddevelop the skills and the
qualities, you're able to godeeper and deeper all the way to
the really, some of the deepestaspects of your nervous system
(04:16):
and completely rewire your fightor flight response to where
there's a handful of pretty highlevel practitioners that I know,
and they actually don't have afight or flight response.
It's literally physical,physiologically impossible for
their organism to registerstress under any circumstance.
Now that's obviously a pretty,pretty high level attainment and
(04:38):
something that took them manyyears.
But they, yeah, they reached itand they have physiologically no
fight or flight response.
But that's just one aspect.
Tai Chi can go off in manydifferent areas and many
different avenues, but at leastfor me, that's my biggest daily
practice.
(04:58):
Okay, so I am a Tai Chi newbie.
I've never done it before.
I've only seen it in movies andseen it in parks.
I know nothing about it.
From a brand newbie perspective,it looks like a cool practice
that older people do.
Will you walk me through howit's different than yoga, how
it's different than meditationand kind of like you're telling
me, you're showing me the viewfrom the end of the road, like
(05:20):
the end of the road is you havecomplete mastery over your body,
essentially with no flight orflight.
But that's obviously not how itstarts.
So will you walk us through thesteps of how that happens and
how, why Tai Chi why does TaiChi do that?
Yeah, definitely.
I think in modern times, We havean amazing opportunity because
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we can access a lot of thingsfrom a lot of different
cultures, from a lot ofdifferent historical periods,
which is great.
But the downside is we lack thediscernment, we lack the
framework, and we lack reallythe a, the skilled authorities
in those things.
For us to be able to easilydifferentiate the difference
between meditation, thedifference between meditation
(06:04):
and yoga, the difference betweenmeditation, yoga, tai chi versus
Qigong versus nag, versus abunch of other things that I can
name that when we hear them, wecommonly just put them all in
the same basket.
And what I'm describing and whatI practice and what I've
dedicated my life to seeking outand finding is really the
truest, the most authentic andthe actual substance behind what
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many of those words mean.
And I can say that they all canhave a degree of similarity
because obviously, It's a humanorganism.
Like it's working with therelationship between the mind
and the body.
And so of course, if you'reusing that sort of interface,
then of course there's gonna bea lot of similarity.
(06:49):
But there's also, I would say,an insanely amount.
There's an insane amount ofdifferences.
And we could spend months goingover these things.
And just in my opinion, fromwhat I've seen over the years
especially Tai Chi and many ofthese other arts are by far and
away the most complicated,intricate, difficult things that
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humans have done and have puttogether, like beyond, above,
far and beyond anything else.
But basically how that wouldstart and how that would.
Really interface with what we'recommonly associated with, which
is like people moving slowly orgentle exercise that old people
(07:36):
do.
Basically, it comes back to itis what it is.
So what I mean by that is ifsomeone is just moving slowly
and maybe breathing deeply,that's literally all that
they're doing.
That's not, Tai Chi has nothingto do with it.
They might be doing likechoreography, dance movements,
whatever, from Tai Chi, or ifit's meditation, they might be
(07:59):
sitting quietly with theirthoughts, with their attention,
turned inwards.
But that's not meditation.
It's literally just sitting,trying to be calm and turning
your attention inwards.
That's it.
Tai Chi is a specific.
Dare I say, scientific formula,scientific process of developing
specific internal qualities andtaking your body through a
(08:22):
specific, repeatable, somewhatlinear process of development.
And basically for me, I'm afreak.
I'm a weirdo.
So to me that really appeals tome in the fact of dealing with
the difficulty and the gruelingnature of what the practice
actually is.
As I'm okay with it, it's fine,but I have the luxury of time
(08:45):
and for most people to genuinelyin interface with these arts in
a meaningful way, it's gonnarequire hours of practice every
day over the course of years.
If you're lucky enough to find areally skilled teacher, which I
think that's outside of therealm of, possibility for a lot
of us.
So yeah.
Hopefully that sheds a littlebit of clarity.
I wish I've mostly, oh, goahead.
(09:05):
Sure.
I'm mostly more confused becauselisten to these words.
You used the grueling nature,right?
The grueling, and I'm laughingbecause I'm from a perspective
of it looks like gentle movementin the park, right?
So will you walk us through, andI'm totally believe you and I'm
on board with you.
I'm just laughing at myself andmy inability to grasp, tell me
(09:28):
about the grueling nature, likewhat is going on and what's the
journey?
Cuz obviously it starts foreveryone as we're learning
motions, right?
I'm guessing that's where itstarts.
W when does it start to shiftand what does it start to shift
to?
Walk me through that, if youdon't mind.
Yeah.
To be honest, it's completelyunderstandable.
This is not a natural thing.
(09:48):
This is completely opposite tohow the human body works.
It's completely opposite to howlife works and.
So much has been lost intranslation in the modern world
that what we're familiar with islike a McDonald's Disneyland
version of what the real thingactually is and means, and I
will say this with any, just, Iwould just pose this question to
(10:10):
anyone listening.
Anything in life that ismeaningful requires sacrifice,
dedication, focus, skill, liketrial and error, making
mistakes, investment.
We, we can accept that, whetherit's starting a business losing
weight, getting in shape,lifting weights, any of those
(10:32):
things we can understand aregonna be uncomfortable,
unpleasant.
You wouldn't go to the gym andsay, I want to be.
Lift deadlift 400 pounds.
And you wouldn't, but youwouldn't go there and say, but I
don't wanna experience anydiscomfort.
I would like for it to be aseasy and as comfortable as
possible.
People are gonna look at youlike what planet are you living
on?
Or if you want to say, you knowwhat, I'd like to be a
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billionaire, but I don't wannamake any sacrifices.
I don't wanna have to do anywork.
I don't wanna have to learnanything.
I don't wanna have to make anymistakes.
I just wanna feel realcomfortable and relaxed on my
journey for making 60 K a yearto making a billion dollars a
year.
People are gonna look at youlike are you're sure in the
right wor ensure in the rightdimension here.
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So let's say that's just fairlymundane human level things, but
let's say you wanna say, youknow what, I want to go after
completely rewiring my entireorganism and maybe even have the
potentiality of accessingsomething beyond the human
realm.
Wouldn't you think that wouldproportionately have an incre,
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like an even higher level ofdifficulty?
Like how difficult is it for usto just maybe change our diet
slightly?
For most of us, it's a challengewhen people spend their lives.
Like I can think of my mom, forexample.
She's been trying to lose weightsince I was a kid.
You know what I mean?
It's just been a constantstruggle and that's just, in
least of my opinion, that'ssomething very small in compared
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to completely rewiring theentire functionality of your
organism and your nervous systemin this lifetime and working
backwards.
So basically how that would evenstart is, again, like I was
saying earlier, the interfacebetween the mind and the body
and then basically, at leastwith Tai Chi and these
practices, it's usually gonnastart withstanding.
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And then basically reallygetting your mind to penetrate
and soak into your body almost afluid into a sponge basically.
Because for most of us, our bodyis just like a block.
It's just like we feel where ourhands are.
We are aware of where our limbsare, but it's can we feel the
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fluid flows?
Can you tell what your extremebro spinal fluid is doing?
Can you tell what yourinterstitial fluid is doing?
Can you consciously manipulateyour blood circulation?
Can you mani?
Can you move your liver around?
Can you do all these subtlethings?
No, but it's all possible.
It's just what we start off isthings are like a brick where
it's oh, okay.
I feel my shoulders are reallytight.
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I feel my hips are tight, andthen it's.
Okay.
It's where you start.
But then gradually over time, asyou develop your awareness and
your is able to soak deeper anddeeper into your body to where
you can feel your skin versusyour fascia, versus your muscles
versus your ligaments versusyour tendons, versus your fluids
versus your blood, versus yourbones versus your nerves.
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All these different things.
Your mind can feel exactlywhat's happening in each of
those systems.
And then basically through aprocess of release, basically
those systems go from a place ofrelative tension and contraction
to opening up.
Things open up, things release.
It's almost like a water system.
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If you have a pipe with waterflowing it, flowing through it,
and you squeeze it, the watergets constricted and eventually
one in backs up and you createproblems.
But if you actually open it upand the flows are easing and
efficient, then the function ofthat system actually goes up.
The body is really similar, atleast on a physical level.
And even on a mental, emotionallevel, it's extremely
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mechanical.
Like I've had moments where Ithought I was like really
stressed or anxious or whatever,but actually as soon as I got
the blood to drain out of myhead, it completely went away.
So I was like, oh, years ofmental emotional stuff actually
just had a really simple likemechanical physiological thing.
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So I'm like sharing some ofthese principles in kind of an
abstract way.
Yeah.
Because to actually in interfacewith it in a meaningful way,
like you need a teacher, youneed hours of time to, to really
get into it.
And what I'm saying doesn't makesense, but when you actually
step into those waters and have,and go through the process, it
all makes sense.
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So it's, it sounds like I'mbeing confusing or being vague
or abstract, but I'm actuallybeing quite specific.
No, that's, it's just that ifyou don't have the, if you don't
have the experience for it, thenit's foreign.
And that's the other importantthing to realize about all these
types of arts is that they'reinherently experiential and
tangible and visceral and real.
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They're not make believe orsubtle or based in visualization
or hope or fantasy or any ofthose things.
It's it's extremely real andextremely dense.
And extremely tangible.
Okay.
And that, that goes for anythingon the spiritual realm as well,
because they all.
Interface and relate.
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I wanna go way back.
That was a great explanation.
I wanna go way.
To the McDonald's version of theReal thing.
I think that phrase hits it onthe head we want something
that's so manufactured andpurchased, and so it makes
sense.
So I've been practicing yoga forprobably, I don't know, maybe
three years now.
Pretty, pretty dedicated.
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And I go to the local yogastudio and, and for the first, I
don't know, probably two years,it was, let's do the poses.
Let's, and even for the firstsix months, it was like, oh, I'm
not as flexible as that person.
It was like a competitivecomparison thing.
And slowly it shifted.
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After a couple of years to now,it's completely my own
experience.
I have no idea what else in thecla in the classroom is doing.
Really?
Who cares?
Like they're having their ownexperience.
And just now, three years intoit, getting to a place where I
am really focusing on what'shappening inside of my body,
right?
So I think, okay, this is threeyears in, man, it's probably
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gonna take 30 more years to beable to get to a place where you
truly are in that place thatyou're talking about.
So if I've been doing this forthree years what's my time tr
trajectory looking like?
If I were to order this on aMcDonald's menu, that's what I'm
looking for.
Again, I'm looking for you totake the spiritual and make it
like menu, McDonald's menuconcrete.
But give me some guidance here.
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If I were doing Tai Chi, I'mguessing it'd be a similar
experience.
You start with just themovements and then you realize
it has nothing to do with themovements.
Is that correct or not as much?
There's obviously the humanvariable as well.
And there's also differentmechanics because, modern yoga
is, eh, I don't know.
I've known people that have doneit for a long time and, doesn't
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necessarily do a lot for thembecause the reason why people's
muscles are tight isn't becausetheir muscles are tight.
Do you know what I mean?
So for example, I can illustratethis, how it made me Tai Chi
with.
Who would approach it a littlebit differently.
Typically how yoga is let's sayI want to, I don't know, relax
my shoulder or something, right?
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So I'm gonna take it to the inrange and then try to increase
that in range through breathingand releasing and relaxing and
whatever, to hopefully, likemaybe in, at least in my mind,
make that muscle not tight ormake that muscle longer, right?
Or whether that's my hamstringsdoing a forward fold or the
front line of my body in thefront line of my spine doing a
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backend, or basically that's thegeneral idea is go to your end
range and maybe try to make thatend range a little bit longer,
which is why people are soobsessed with I'm, they're more
open than I am, whatever.
But in actuality there'sactually, at least
physiologically there's a lot ofharm that can come from making
your muscles too slack, likehyper mobile, hyper flacid.
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And actually I've known quite alot of people that have done
yoga for a long period of timeand gotten actually quite
injured.
They develop hip pain and jointpain because the elasticity and
their tissues gets relaxed andreleased out, and their bones
start doing this.
So that's a whole other thing.
But getting back to my point, ifI, let's say in Tai Chi, the
stretch isn't, how much can Imove my arm over here?
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It's actually how much can thetissue expand and stretch off of
the bone?
So actually I can stand and Ican put myself in basically any
posture and put my body in themost intense, grueling stretch
that I've ever experienced.
I wanna vomit, I wanna fallover.
I start I'll start sweating.
Like my body will be veryuncomfortable very quickly.
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But it's a completely differentmode of action.
And it doesn't look like I'mdoing like a crazy posture.
So even if I stand like this, orif I put my arm up like this, or
do literally anything I can, ifI wanna pick my shoulder in the
same way, I can basically justrelease the tension that's
holding the shoulder.
And now basically my body ishaving to engage all these
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deeper tissues to basicallybrace against gravity.
But if I'm mentally release moreagainst that, my body actually
starts to, the tissues starts totwist and move over the bone.
So that's the biggest thing tounderstand, at least with
something like authentic TaiChi, is that it's not about
moving my joints around, it'sactually the tissues moving over
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the bone.
And that's why these are calledinternal arts, because typically
how the body moves like yoga orweightlifting or running, is
through hinges.
Hinges and joints.
That's how, that's what'snatural for the body to do.
That's natural.
The most efficient thing for thebody to do.
If you wanna lift something upwith your arm contract, your
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bicep, duh.
But in terms of something likeTai Chi, if I wanted to move my
arm like this, I would actuallyfirst relax all the tension.
And then if I wanna sink my armdown, now it's actually insanely
difficult because I'm and if youpalpate it in my tissues,
they're all lifted off of thebone and I'm actually getting
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sweaty, like my, this armpit isactually all sweaty cuz of all
the increased blood flow andit's actually the completely
opposite mechanic.
But just from whatever 90seconds doing stupid stuff,
whatever, like that arm isnoticeably looser and warmer and
more hydrated than my other arm.
So it's a completely differentmechanic.
But basically how that wasstarted is through standing,
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because basically, We all have arelationship to gravity, right?
We're all dealing with gravityall the time.
So basically, through our lives,we've accumulated all this built
up stress and tension throughall the different layers of our
body to basically keep ussupported in dealing with
gravity.
So we typically don't reallyfeel it that much.
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So what you do is actuallycompletely unnatural, completely
opposite, and stupid.
You start off by mentallysuspending your skeleton in
space and then relaxing all ofthe tension off of your
skeleton.
So then basically at least forme, because of where I am, that
actually creates a stretch.
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That's how I create a stretch inmy body.
I relax and my body expandsoutwards.
But that's not where you start.
Obviously when you start you,you feel like, oh, this is
locked this is locked this, youfeel, oh, there's this injury.
From this however many years agothat I didn't know about.
So then you're mentally juststanding there and then
eventually letting your tissuesand stuff released and sink
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down.
And that basically is thaws theice, if you think about, or if
it takes the block of concreteand starts to liquefy it down so
that gravity doesn't hit yourbody and go have all these like
jagged stuck pieces, which thentakes your skeleton and just
squishes it down.
So then when it squishes itdown, you're like, pain here,
pain in my back, pain here, da,joint degradation, all those
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things.
So actuality you train theopposite response.
So then when you encountergravity system actually expands
outwards.
So what that means is, yeah, allmy tissues separate out, but
actually the spaces in myjoints, the spaces between all
of my bones actually.
Increases as well.
And personally speaking, I usedto have knee pain, back pain,
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neck pain my hips cuz I did yogafor about 10 years as well, and
I was like a desk worker and allthose things.
So as a result, my hip bone wasjammed into my pelvis.
So when I moved it, I literallyheard bone on bone.
I don't have that anymore.
Why?
Because I created space.
I trained the completely un thecomplete opposite, unnatural
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response.
So usually when we encounter agravity or a stressor tense or
we use intention, we try to makeour body do something.
Whereas Tai Chi is the oppositeresponse of, oh my god,
stressor.
So it just, like I said, it's acompletely different response.
It's a completely differentmechanism, and it's not easy
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because when you go through theprocess, you feel weaker, you
feel less strong in your body.
You are letting go of all ofyour protection, all your
defense mechanisms, basically.
You spent 40 years building upthis identity that, that you
feel makes you feel strong andcompetent, and you're just
letting all of that go.
It's the complete opposite ofwhat we want.
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We wanna feel good, we wannafeel stronger, we wanna feel all
these stimulating things.
And this is actually saying no.
How about none of those things?
So I, I don't really recommendit for people to be totally
honest.
And I feel like most of the timeI'm like a Debbie Downer or like
a buzz.
Because as you were alluding toearlier with the McDonald's
Disneyland version of things,everyone just wants tell us the
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three quick, easy steps tomaster Tai Chi and whatever,
because this is what everyoneelse is offering and this is
what everyone else is doing.
But the thing is those thingsdon't really produce the
results.
I, personally speaking, I didall that stuff for 10, 15 years
and got basically nowhere and Igot kicked out of multiple Tai
Chi and internal art schoolsbecause I was.
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Why is there nothing reallyhappening?
There's nothing here.
You're just teaching memovements.
There has to be more to this andI just got kicked out of so many
schools and I've made so manypeople mad.
And even still to this day, somany people get offended.
But I'm like, look, I'm justsaying I invested in, wasted
this amount of time in my lifeand then I actually found stuff
that was actually real andineffective and useful.
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And now I try to present it andshare it to people and then for
some reason just get very upset.
But then I look at my teachersand other people online and I
see the same thing.
So I think that's just some oftheir deeper principle that
humans have going on.
This is like the trend.
So I've done three podcasts thisweek so far.
This is my last, but three threeso far, and this is the trend
that I'm hearing.
I am hearing a big movement awayfrom McDonald's justifying
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things, right?
I'm I talked to someone who lostlike 140 pounds many years ago,
and it took her six years to getthere, and she wasn't even
focused on the weight.
She was just focused on lovingherself, right?
Like we're starting to see thisbig shift away from the easy
click bait away from McDonald'sdefying and into what is real.
And maybe US culture doesn'thave a lot of what is real in
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it.
Maybe we need to go beyond tofind Yeah.
The deeper hu human experienceand things that really heal.
It just reminds me of somethingthat has been on my mind.
I made a video about it a fewmonths ago and it's, it ties in
perfectly and exactly with whatyou're saying and what I, cuz
I've been interested in healthand healing and spirituality and
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alternative diets and evenpsychedelics and all these other
things since like 2004.
In full-time.
Like I'm obsessive, I believe itreally haven't had, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean I just, for whateverreason, the way I was born and
the way I was raised, like mybrain just developed for better
or worse, differently than a lotof other people's a lot of other
people's.
So I've been into this stuffpretty heavily.
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And I'm also by nature kind ofa, what many people would call
critical and judgemental,meaning I look at my own
experience and then I also lookat other people's experience.
So if I meet someone who's beendoing something for 20 years and
I'm like you've been doing thishealth thing for 20 years, but
you're not healthy, or maybe youare.
Then let me see, what did you doand what was your mindset?
What was your belief system?
Who were your teachers?
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All these things.
So I can maybe try to shorten mylearning curve a little bit and
learn from other people'sexperience.
And a lot of people for somereason call that being
judgmental, but whatever.
But my point is, and what I'vebeen thinking about it is
perfect to what you're saying isit seems like there's the
mindset of always loweringeverything to the absolute
lowest common denominator.
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Which I understand in terms ofmaybe accessibility or what
people believe is accessible orwhatever else, but that's the
world and the culture we've beenliving in for quite a while.
The problem is that if youstretch that out across multiple
generations, you dumb thingsdown on step one.
So then step two learns a dumbdown version.
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So then step two is now teachinga dumb down version of a dumb
down version.
Then you have step three.
So you have a dumb down versionof a dumb down version of a dumb
down version, and you keepstretching that out.
And then what are you left with?
Some weird Frankenstein likecheap thing that is inherently
empty.
So then you have to grab andfill in all these other things
to be like, oh, maybe this isthe thing.
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Which is why the other commonthing that people love to do in
modern times is fusion.
Oh, I do this style of yoga cuzit's blended with this.
Or I do this style of tai chihas blended with that.
Or I do psychedelic plantmedicine, shaman, ayahuasca,
yoga, healing, sound journeying,like cram everything into one.
But the thing is I see peoplethat have been doing these
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things and they're not better.
They're just looking for thenext thing.
Because inherently where theystarted from was inherently
empty and was inherently missinga lot of things.
And I have videos in my YouTubechannel where I've critiqued the
hippie generation in America,because that's where a lot of
this stuff started and pointedout this was their erroneous
assumptions that they took theirmisunderstanding of their poor
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misunderstanding of a concept,and then that became everyone
else's starting place.
Whether that's Tim Leary or AlanWatts or Rom Dass, or the list
goes on of people that had noreal skill, no real experience,
nothing other than being goodwith words and good with
intellect.
And then now this is what awhole culture and a whole thing
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is built on.
I'm like, whoa, that's not gonnago really anywhere too positive.
It's just gonna keep repeatingthe same thing, which is just
more consum consumerism and morejust hype and stimulation, which
is basically just.
The exact thing that it wassupposed to be an alternative
to.
Because mainstream marketing andentertainment and media and
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culture is all about how do Ipoke your fight or flight
response in a certain way toelicit a certain response for a
specific agenda.
So basically that's how we'reall conditioned in program.
Cause that's the world we grewup in.
That's the world we live in.
That's it.
I'm not saying it's good or bad,right or wrong, it just, it is
what it is.
But you take that and now yousay you wanna do something
different, alternative, butyou're still operating under the
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exact same mechanisms.
That's not ever gonna work,especially when you're looking
at something that has thecomplete opposite mechanisms.
So that's just something Iarrived at after, I don't know,
20 years in this industry.
I think you just nailed it rightthere.
I wish that were like ourleading sentence for the podcast
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because that is like, there'syour thesis statement right
there, okay, so if we're in thisculture that is trying to grab
more, more, because it's emptycalories.
We're essentially eating emptycalories, right?
We're snacking on potato chips.
And but you said that, this guy,they're not the place to go.
Who are the authentic teachersand leaders?
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That's gonna be my nextquestion.
That has to be our last questioncuz we're running over.
But this is so fascinating tome.
So where do we go if we'relooking for the real meat and
we're tired of the three stepsto, whatever piece, abundance,
prosperity.
Yeah, I think I'll share that.
And I think it, it really isuseful to each person to
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investigate exactly what they'rereally after.
Because typically what we thinkwe want is oftentimes not what
we actually want.
I actually did a video aboutthis years ago where I wrote
down all of the things thatpeople actually mean by the word
spirituality and how none ofthem actually refer to what
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spirituality actually means.
And I'm just saying, look, it'snot g it's not good or bad, or
right or wrong.
I'm just saying for clarity'ssake, if you're really wanting
community, and that's reallywhat you mean by this term or
connection to others, then it'smore efficient to understand
this is what you mean and thisis what you want.
So seek that out directly ratherthan saying it's the same thing
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and trying to do this wholeother thing.
To me I just think that's beinghonest and having some clarity
and discernment within ourselvesis just a much more useful
application of our time becauselife is short.
And tragically people invest.
I've, I can't tell you thepeople, amount of people I've
met that have invested more thanlonger than I've been alive in
like Tai Chi and stuff, and theyhave.
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Nothing, zero skill.
Like I went to one workshop withone teacher and I already knew
and had more skill than they didafter 50 years of practice.
And I just felt whoa, dude, thissucks.
So any, anyways, I was like, Idon't wanna be that guy.
So for Wanda, I think that's thefirst thing to see is what do we
actually want?
What are really after?
And also what are we willing toinvest?
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Because like I was sayingearlier, any real skill, any
real change requires investment,requires dedication, requires
sacrifice.
That's just life.
There's no real way around that.
No one can replace that for you.
So at least in my opinion, myexperience in terms of Tai Chi
and internal arts, and evenmeditation, even though.
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Me, like genuine real meditationis so far beyond myself and I
would say pretty much all of usfor what it actually is and for
what it actually means.
Cause there's actually only onedefinition for meditation there.
O has only ever been onepractice of meditation with
under one definition.
Realistically, historicallyspeaking singular.
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Whereas in modern times,obviously it can mean I'm in a
garden, I feel relaxed, I'm in abubble bath.
It can mean all these differentthings, but that's not what the
term actually means.
But that's so far beyond.
So anyways, coming back toanswering your question,
basically I would say BruceFrancis is a guy that people can
access.
He's a little bit old now and heis definitely softened and
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watered down his teachings a bitfor modern people.
But he's very good.
Adam Eisner is also very goodfor Tai Chi, but you have to
actually be an official discipleof him to really get a lot of
the inner teachings.
And then Damo Mitchell isanother one who is insanely
skilled across a whole lot ofdifferent things.
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And all three of these peopleare pretty easily accessible and
have a, an online presence andthey share a lot of stuff.
And they're also coincidentally,pretty disliked by a lot of
people because they're actuallygood which is a whole other
conversation.
But the other thing too is ifyou learn about those three
people and the amount of insanedifficulty in suffering they had
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to go through to acquire thisknowledge, then at least you can
historically contextualize howinaccessible and out of reach
this stuff actually is andactually should be.
And how the idea that we shouldjust be able to pop on to
gaia.com or some website and belike, oh yes, millions of people
suffered their entire life forthis, but you know what?
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I'm a modern person.
I'll just pop on pay 9 99 and Iget this and now I'm spiritual.
It's I don't know.
But again, it comes back tohistory and modern context and
all these different things.
So again, there's no realshortcuts and I can say
genuinely undertaking thesethings.
A really strong way is terrible,really uncomfortable, really
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unpleasant, and I don'trecommend it.
That being said, if you justwant some relaxation, maybe
improve your health a littlebit.
That's way less grueling anddemanding and probably a little
bit more accessible to people.
So those three people have,plenty of books and online
courses and workshops anddifferent things that people can
access.
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And more importantly, they haveteachers that they have taught
because you, for all this stuff,you need a teacher, you need a
human being.
You need someone there.
Absolutely.
And actually there's some stuffthat you absolutely cannot even
do on your own.
You need the actual direct inputof that person.
And this is just also talkingabout the kind of mundane,
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physiological aspects.
There are absolutely reallyinsane, crazy esoteric stuff and
stuff that people wouldn't evenbelieve that's possible.
It's all in there.
It's just pretty far down theline.
And that's not really in thepublic eye.
So I don't really talk about it,even though that is the world I
live in.
I tend to just focus on thephysiological kind of health
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based stuff cause it's a littlemore relatable and people don't
think you're completely insane.
No, I totally, I get that.
I totally get that.
Man, you're so interesting.
We never even mentionedmushrooms and I don't care at
all.
That was way more interesting.
So thank you so much for takingus on that journey.
You mentioned quite a few timesyour videos.
Let's point people to thatresource.
Will you talk about that for aminute?
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Yeah, absolutely.
Hyper and tv.com.
So I have all my YouTube videosand I've well over 700 on there
talking about, Chinese medicine,herbalism, tonic herbs,
adaptogens, mushrooms, health,Chinese philosophy, Tai chi, all
internal arts, these differentthings.
It's all on there.
It's all free.
And, personally I've beenthrough a lot and when I was in,
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I tried therapy a few years agowhen I was like talking to this
lady e even, she was like, holyshit man.
So I share this stuff from aplace of personal experience,
from someone who, spent my, Ispent most of my life on not
even wanting to be alivehonestly.
Just so it's like I canunderstand the pain that we all
experience.
The pretty realistic way.
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And I don't share these thingslightly and I don't say things
lightly.
And I'm not being hyperbolic insaying that when I say this
actually does A, B, and C and itcan actually genuinely help
people.
I wouldn't say that if it wasn'tabundantly true and clear in
myself, but also been repeatedacross millions of other people
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throughout history.
And I have like tons of crazystories of people that have
recovered from things that wedon't believe people should be
able to recover and heal from.
And I say that partially becauseI think unfortunately our modern
health system doesn't reallyhave a lot of options for
people.
I know that's.
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Trigger warning, but in terms ofpeople absolutely legitimately
getting over something, I don'tthink we have a lot of options.
I think we have a lot of optionsfor coping, meaning oh, you
broke your legs, so okay, forthe rest of your life you're
gonna have this weird walk andthis weird posture, but here's
how you can be comfortable doingthat.
I'm more like, how can Icompletely forget that event
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ever occurred and completelyremove it from my entire system
as if it never happened and I'mhealthier as a result?
I don't think there's a lot ofoptions for that, unfortunately,
at least I never found them.
I looked for 20 years, didn'tsee that many.
I didn't see any of my friendsor many of my clients are the
thousands of people that I'vetalked to and met over the
years, which is I think, sad.
(38:08):
I hope, hopefully someday we doget there.
But I feel like things, at leastTai Chi and some of these other
things were actually done in prpracticed in a legitimate way.
Can genuinely, like I said,release stuff from people's
nervous system.
Like I can't tell you the amountof bad stuff that's happened to
me that I've completelyforgotten about, where it's
(38:29):
difficult for me now to actuallybe very emotional.
Like I can be mad at someone onMonday and like my Tuesday I'll
can, I can forget, like I feellike I was mad at them, but I
just, I don't remember why so Imean it's just, and I, at least
for me that's a more comfortableway to live than constantly
being upset all the time andhanging onto emotions and all
(38:52):
these different things.
And I think really in terms ofjust being a comfortable human
being, that's what I think thisstuff can offer, which is why
I've dedicated my life to it.
Thank you so much for sharing.
My biggest takeaway mightsurprise.
My biggest takeaway first of allis the way you describe how
empty our culture is and how we,just grab it all bunch of stuff,
(39:14):
trying to find that nutritionthat we don't have culturally,
like all these deep spiritualtraditions that we just don't
have access to here.
So that's my, one of my bigtakeaways.
My other big takeaway isactually about you.
I am so grateful for a planetwhere everyone has different
wirings, different ways ourbrains work.
You talk about being obsessivethat obsessiveness serves
(39:36):
humanity, and you're like, andthat's allowed you to become a
master in a few things.
And I think as a culturebenefits all of us.
It's just really cool to see youin your element and just wanna
honor that that we're all builtdifferently in, man.
Our skills really do.
They're needed.
So it's cool to hear that.
(39:58):
Awesome.
That was Thanksgiving feast.
I keep going back to food.
I must be hungry.
Every analogy I have is aboutfood.
So thank you so much for that.
Let me go back to my littlescript here.
I'm totally like I, I'm, Iforgot I was doing a podcast.
I was just listening to you.
So here's the rest of thepodcast.
As we wrap things up, reminder,the goal of this podcast is to
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instill wellness habits intoyour daily life.
To build a life beyond its fine.
Let's achieve spectacular,joyful, and deeply satisfying.
And I think Brandon would say,yeah let's go deep.
Let's go deep, right?
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So Brandon also has a 10% offer.
We didn't even talk about this,but he has this whole herbal
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Two minutes on Hyperion herbs.
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I started Hyperion Herbs in 2010to basically offer really potent
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Cuz when I started in 2005, itwas definitely not that.
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And I think the mushrooms that Isell are some of the best tools
for that, which is why I've beenselling them for almost 15 years
and I've been taking them for 20years or so.
And I've really, I think that inthe last, I don't know, 15 plus
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So definitely recommend peoplechecking those out.
Awesome.
And it's a lot of information onmy YouTube channel, a lot of
information on the website.
And they can also just email meif they have any questions.
I'm happy to, provideinformation or recommendations.
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Hyperion tv.com.
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Tell me if I have that right orwrong, and Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
Hyperion TV and Hyperion Herbs.
So check out Brandon, either oneof those, and thank you so much
for joining us, Brandon.
That was a meal and thanks forour listeners.
Have a wonderful day.
And for our listeners, thank youin advance for giving us a
positive review.
Thanks so much everyone.
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