April 27, 2025 • 60 mins
Angel Henderson turns conventional wisdom about "protective" braided styles upside down in this eye-opening conversation about hair health, scalp care, and the true cost of convenience styling. The natural hair expert begins by challenging our fundamental understanding of protective styles, asking the provocative question: "What are we actually protecting?" Most of us aren't protecting our hair at all; we're protecting our time. This mindset shift sets the stage for a deep exploration of when braids help versus when they harm. Hair loss warning signs get special attention as Angel outlines exactly what to watch for: white bulbs appearing consistently around edges, persistent itching, inflammation, and redness. "When you see consistent white bulbs, especially around your hairline, sometimes that's not coming back," she cautions. Her professional experience reveals how ignoring these signals can lead to permanent conditions like traction alopecia or Central Centrifugal Cicatricial Alopecia (CCCA). The conversation tackles hard truths about our beauty priorities, with Angel noting how willing we are to invest in synthetic hair while neglecting our natural crown. "You spend all that money on weave and braids, but you will not spend money on your hair," she observes. Her passion for client education shines through as she describes turning away business rather than participating in clients' hair damage cycle. Angel shares practical scalp care recommendations, including her favorite treatments, and explains why that six-week mark seems to be the sweet spot for most braided styles before they become counterproductive. For anyone wearing braids or considering them, this conversation offers the science and soul of proper hair care, emphasizing that healthy hair isn't about quick fixes but a committed journey worth taking.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to another episode of Hair what I'm
Saying the podcast, where wekeep it real about beauty,
culture and the crown we wearevery day our hair.
Today, we're diving into atopic that's been glamorized,
misunderstood and evenmislabeled for years braids and
hair loss.
So many of us have grown upthinking that braids are
automatically a protective style, but are they really protecting
(00:24):
our hair or could they be doingthe opposite?
To help me break this down, Iinvited the amazing Angel
Henderson, a natural texturespecialist and salon owner based
in Georgetown, texas.
She's someone who trulycelebrates real hair, educates
her clients and understands thescience behind healthy styling.
We're talking myths, scalphealth, braid tension, synthetic
(00:46):
hair, dangers and everything inbetween, so let's get into it.
Welcome to the Hair what I'mSaying podcast.
I'm your host, kenetra Stewart.
Today we have Angel Hendersonof Beyond Beauty, a natural hair
expert located in Georgetown,texas, here to discuss braids
and hair loss with us.
Welcome to the show, angel.
How are you?
I'm pretty good that here todiscuss braids and hair loss
with us.
Welcome to the show, angel.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
How are you?
I'm pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's good Doing good, that's good, that's good.
How are you feeling overall?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm feeling good.
This is my first time doing apodcast, but not my first time
talking to you, so At all.
You bet, don't loseconversations about hair the
industry.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The toxicity, the good, yep, the good, all of it.
All right.
So I wanted to invite you onthe show because I saw that you
have been sharing content onbraids and hair loss and I
wanted you to be able toelaborate more about it, because
you know, like, with thecontent on social media, it's
really hard to like get all ofthe gems you know out and
(01:41):
everyone's attention span is soshort on know social media.
So it's like, let's, let's putit out there so that people can
be aware black womenspecifically, since we're always
wearing braids about you knowsome of the things that we are
not aware of when it comes tobraids.
They can be great, but they'renot always.
They can also be problematictoo, yes, depending on how you
approach it pre and post.
(02:03):
You know, know brave styles,right, yes, yeah, all right,
cool.
So thank you for accepting theinvite and we're going to roll
on to the first question.
So first we just want to talkabout you, like, how did you get
into doing hair and when didyou know that natural texture
was going to be the thing youeventually transition into
(02:24):
specializing in?
Oh, ok.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So I got into hair fairly early, so I started to.
Well, when I was 10 years old Iwent into a foster home and I
had tons.
I never knew that about you.
No but I mean, I'm not notproud of it.
It's my story now, so I youknow I'm more comfortable with
speaking on it and tellingothers but that's how I got into
(02:48):
it.
So I was 10 when I went intofoster care.
Tons of hair, you know, justtons of hair.
And you know, at 10 years oldyou're starting to get into the
age where you start to careabout yourself, you're
transitioning into a preteen.
So my first foster home she wasa disabled lady, so she wasn't
(03:08):
well, she was disabled, so shewasn't able to take care of my
hair and my mom was fairly goodat it until she went into her
depression and things like that.
So I was used to my hair beingkept up and I was used to, you
know, people always saying youhave beautiful hair, your hair
is so pretty, you know, let meget one of those ponytails, you
know.
So I went into the foster careand I had to start to take care
(03:29):
of my hair and that was a wholedifferent thing.
Like I didn't want to go toschool and be embarrassed.
It was already a differentworld for me going into that
Right.
So I started to learn there andthen I went to a different
foster home and this foster homehad other little girls in the
home and I was taking care of myhair and they're like okay, at
11 and almost 12, I was braiding.
(03:51):
I started to braid my own hairand put beads on it and they're
like okay, what do you do?
And my little sister was inthat foster home with me also
and I started to do her hair.
And so I started to do theother little girls' and I had me
a little clientele, honey,about three or four, oh my
goodness.
So that's where it all startedand so like getting more into
natural hair.
When I went to cosmetologyschool, you know they taught us
(04:13):
everything.
So I was doing relaxers and youknow that was in 2009 and
natural hair was just startingto touch, you know, our
community and we started to feelcomfortable with it.
Um, so I was still doingrelaxers.
Then I didn't jump deep intonatural hair until I moved here
to austin about seven years agooh, okay, so you were still
pretty much servicing clientsbehind the chair with relaxers.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, these do you still.
Are you just straight naturalhair, straight natural I don't
offer relaxers at all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I haven't offered a relaxer.
I probably only did relaxersfor a couple of years here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, I mean the demand is so low.
You don't really make moneyfrom it.
It'll take you a long time togo through a whole jar of
relaxers a day and that's what Iwas getting into.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I kept my jar of relaxers for a while and I'm
like you know the shelf life, Ican't be stupid.
You know the shelf life.
I can't be still good and I'mnot.
I wasn't focused on learning itanymore and you know, like our
mindset as caring for the hair,when you get a stylist that
cares, you want to knoweverything about what you're
doing to your client's hair andI wasn't interested in learning
that anymore.
(05:17):
I was shifting more into thenatural hair, yeah, and I just
had like two or three relaxedclients.
I was like you know what?
I know somebody for y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, well, good, at least you can refer them out to
somebody, because even it'sstill hard to refer them out
because a lot of us aren'treally doing relaxers no more.
I know I still did you know,until I no longer do hair no
more.
But I was definitely, you know,still doing relaxers for
certain clients, yeah, relaxersfor certain clients, yeah, but
like you said, that shelf lifefor that relaxer, you don't
really get to use all of thatrelaxer and I worked with a
(05:49):
stylist that she one jar relaxertook like 10 people hair out
and that scared 10 people hairout.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, like out oh like out where they was coming back
and it was like okay, yeah, itwas out, so yeah so what relaxer
was it?
What, what brand yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
a firm.
Oh, I hate a firm.
I've never liked the firm ittook my hair out I never, ever
since it took my hair.
I was like I'm done with thisto relax.
I just feel like the regularstrength is strong too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So yeah, I'm like no, I hate that relax what were
some of the biggest myths youhad to let go in your own path
as a hairstylist?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Biggest myths.
One grease like heavy grease,like greasing the scalp, the
blue magic.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Like you know, when we were younger, it was like you
line the girls up at night andwe're going to oil your scalp
and we're going to plait it andthen you're going to go to sleep
.
That pillow going to be greasyin the morning girl yes, but it
was it would bleed through yourscarf too, and I would go
outside my hair cooking, youknow, and I had tons of it, so
it was just cooking, scalpcrackling, but yeah, it was like
(06:58):
that's one thing, the greaseand then shampooing consistently
.
We were taught that sometimesdirty hair, you know, makes your
hair grow.
Or shampooing consistently.
We were taught that sometimesdirty hair, you know, makes your
hair grow, or shampooing it toomuch it's gonna make your hair
too dry for us, you know.
So those two things I had tolike unlearn, like we don't need
grease, you don't blue magic.
Just because your hair shiny,that don't mean it's just
amazing, I know it was like ablack household tradition wasn't
(07:21):
, yeah what about the.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did y'all ever get like a cup of water and dip the
brush in it too?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
oh yeah yeah, they brushing your from your your
eyebrows to the back.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yes, indeed, girl those are my best childhood
memories, even though theyweren't good, you know, but they
were definitely they only knewthey were doing what they knew.
You know, that's all we knewthat's true, and then it was
have the education like Exactly,yeah, that was a good one.
I wasn't even expecting you tosay that, okay, so let's.
(07:51):
Let's get into the topic ofbraids.
People always call themprotective styles.
However, the word gets usedloosely.
From your professionalexperience, when are braids
actively or actually protectiveand when are they not?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
First, what are we protecting?
You know, like, what are wereally protecting?
When you say I'm in aprotective style, what are we
protecting?
And most of the time, we'reprotecting from our own hands,
in our head, all the time.
Or we're protecting, you know,like over manipulation of our
hair, which is your hands, andwe're protecting.
Like you know, like overmanipulation of our hair, which
is your hands, and we'reprotecting like your ends being
(08:27):
sealed.
Or we're protecting because wejust, you know, protecting our
time, because we don't want tospend time on our hair, you know
.
So it's like at first, likewhat are we protecting, you know
?
And after that, protectivestyles can be good, but it's
only good if you go into it withhealthy hair.
You know, I'm protecting myhair, but my hair is already
(08:49):
damaged and it's already broken,it's already dry, so I'm going
to go into a protective style.
That's when it's not protecting, right, you know it's not
protecting then.
And it's not protecting when weleave them in too long, or it's
too tight, or you know allthose things.
So we, you know all thosethings.
So we, we, you know, like yousaid, we use it loosely.
We're protecting our hair.
But first, what are weprotecting.
How are we protecting?
And you know longevity of it.
(09:12):
We want it to last.
They say I pay.
I pay three hundred dollars forthese braids.
They better last, yes, or I hadthem in for two months.
They look good, still like okay, but it's not protecting.
You know you're, you'redestructing stuff now.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And neglecting at that point, because it's too
long to leave them up, you knowyeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So it becomes a protective style when you go in
it and your hair is actuallyhealthy and you are doing the
things that you need to do toyour scalp along with your hair
strand.
So that's when it's protectiveand you don't leave it in for
you know months on end.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's when it's protected, right, yeah, but I
love that question because it isvery valid.
Like, what are you protecting?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
like you said mostly that time, yeah, you don't want
to spend no time doing our hair.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We don't, and it's more of a convenience hairstyle
more than anything.
Like we're not really thinkingabout the pre-hair care.
No, before we even get intothese braids, like you really
need to take the time to takecare of your scalp and hair
before you put it into thatstyle because, like you said,
it's not necessarily protectingit.
You know, whenever you know,depending on how you, you know,
(10:21):
wear these braids, how long youwear these braids or whatever
the case may be, and then whenyou take them out, like, what
are you going to do to make surethat your hair stay, the
integrity stay intact?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But I feel like mostly from what I hear, it's
more about time.
It's not really the hair youknow.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, it's more about time Like I'm tired of my hair.
I'm about to put it up, that'sexactly what I did with these,
but this is forever.
Well, this is, you know, likethat's just the truth.
It was time, kenesha.
It was time because I'm ineverybody else's head.
I don't have time.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
To do your hair.
I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'm like I look like trash, yeah, like what.
It's like it takes a lot to getready in the morning when
you're in everybody else's head,you sure does.
I'm like I just no, and I wasfinding myself just brushing my
hair back in a ponytail, youknow, or straightening it or
doing whatever, but I wasn'ttaking the time for me.
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I have to do something, and then eventually
you're going to neglect your own.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's true, but it looks so good, thank you it grew
so much.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Thank you.
Thank you, but yeah, like yousaid, time that was that one
like?
I'm like girl, I know for meit's time.
You know more than anything andI'm not going into it thinking
like I'm protecting a strand.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, you know, like we just, yeah, like, what are we
protecting?
Yeah, I mean, like I I got soone of my clients like girl, her
hair.
I'm like, well, you need to putsome not a protective style,
you need to put some mittens onyour hands because you tearing
it up, that's what it is.
Yeah, like they do so much.
Well, we do so much becauseI've done so much, like, just so
(12:00):
much.
Like you, you feel like everyhair needs to be in place and if
you leave it alone and you findsomething that you're
comfortable with, you know itcan be protective, right, what
are we protecting?
Time?
And we're protecting them fromourselves.
We're protecting it fromourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's right Because, if you notice, I think that's
why that misconception of itbeing protective over
problematic is more a for formost clients, because when, when
it's in those braids, they seethe length retaining and when
it's not in the braids.
They see it breaking, but it'sit's more of like you are the
one that's not taking care of it.
(12:36):
You are the one that's causingit to break because you are not.
You don't know what to do withyour hair.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So in their head it's like oh no, it's protecting my
hair because anytime it's inthese braids yeah, yeah, you
know it's doing great, it'sdoing great and they're like, oh
, you might got a lot of newgrowth, but what about the
outgrowth?
What about you know all theother things?
Yeah, and you know, even withour kids, like my daughter, I'm
like you have to.
When you have your braids andyou have to spray, you have to
(13:01):
moisturize.
It's like what are we?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
protecting Girl, even you're your baby.
What she be doing, girl, shedon't be wanting to listen to
Angel no, no, she's starting tonow.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
She's starting to now Because I gave her that haircut
.
You gave her a haircut, yeah,because it was like you know
that, like when you firststarting to do your hair, the
over manipulation that I wanteverything to be in place.
I'm cute, you know which andthen she has a lot of hair also
she do have a lot of hair whenit went.
She's like I feel like I get ahaircut every time you do yeah
(13:32):
because your hair should be downyour back.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's like so cliche to me when we have
daughters and you know,especially if we are promoting
hair care, and then they go outhere and do this like girl.
You ain't listening to me, sowhy do I expect my class to
listen to me?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
but they do teachers like I know.
She enlightens me like what Ishould talk to my clients about,
like she's a client you knowshe's the client, so what?
She thinks and how she takescare of her hair at home, and
and she's a product junkie aswell and your baby, oh my god,
and I, and she's starting tounlearn.
That too, I'm like, because youknow, it's the internet they
(14:13):
come up like this is this, thisis that.
Did this type of product.
I'm like, if you understand theingredients in the product
which I took time to and yourmom, you have it right on here.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You don't need all that, you don't I'm glad you
brought that up too, about theingredients and the product, how
I feel like that needs to be.
Uh, clients need clients needto be educated on that more than
they do the actual product,because that front part is just
the marketing label.
Yeah, you know it containsvitamin e and it contains aloe
(14:43):
vera, but it's like go look atthem ingredients the ingredients
and then actually how you useit.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
What?
You build off of like this isbuilding off of this.
Is that, that and you knowabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's where the real education is.
When you want to go shopping forsome products, yeah, and, like
you said, you won't need a wholebeauty supply store if you did
you know, yes, one thing I seeand I also know is like, behind
the chair, you know, mostclients have this misconception
of like the tighter the braid,the better it is, the better,
(15:15):
you know, the longer it lasts,like we just mentioned.
But that tension can be realdamage.
Oh yeah Right, real damage.
Oh yeah Right.
So, like, how do you approachif you ever had to?
How do you approach this tobring awareness for, you know,
black women who have thismisconception that the tighter
the braid, the longer it lasts,but understanding that that's
(15:35):
more of a problematic situation,I just try to educate them on
the end result.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know, I give them the worst case scenario you
know, like the tighter the braid.
Let me, you know, I give themthe worst case scenario.
You know, like they're tired ofthe braid.
Let me, you know, I have themicroscope in the salon.
Let me show you what can'thappen.
Or let me show you somepictures of some you know some
scalps that I've taken.
You know some previous picturesof Right, you know.
So.
This is where they started,this is where they ended.
When you see that white bulb,we do have shedding, we do have
(16:03):
shedding.
You know we go through stagesof shedding.
But when you see consistentwhite bulbs, especially around
your hairline, sometimes that'snot coming back, you know,
(16:30):
sometimes that's not coming back.
And if it doesn't come back andyou feel like you know, the
tighter the braid, the longer itlasts, because you want to get
your money's worth.
You got to understand what it'sgoing to feel like to, you know,
have to go to a dermatologist,have to get steroid shots, have
to, you know, if it comes back,or have to get a surgery, like
some people have to get hairreplacement surgery because of
traction, uh, traction, alopeciatransplants, yes, so I try to
tell them that and educate themon that.
You know, and a lot of times itworks.
But sometimes you know you canlead a horse to water but you
can't make them, you can't makethem drink, girl and it hurts
your heart.
You'd be like I just oh, likeyou can see the end result yes
(16:55):
for them and you, and if they,they come in and I have clients
that come in and they they havebraids, they wear braids most of
the time, so they'll come inlike I want you to shampoo, deep
condition, trim.
You know, give me brave prep,give me a scalp, detox, all the
good things, and I'm gonna goback and braids.
You kind of like wasting yourmoney with me because when you
come back and you, you, yourhair has been up and braids for
(17:16):
three months and this is theonly shampoo that you're getting
.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
This is the only shampoo that you're getting the
shampoo on a regular basis.
This is the only shampooyou're're getting on a regular
basis.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This is the only shampoo you're getting.
So you and I've turned peopledown.
I've told them, like you don'teven have to come and spend your
money with me.
Like you don't have to allmoney I'm, you know how long
we've been doing it All money,not good money.
(17:45):
Like.
I would rather you justcontinue to do what you're doing
and take me out of the mix andsave your money, invest, get
more braids, do something, saveit for a trip than me to see you
coming here and they say whodoes your hair?
I go to beyond beauty.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh, we're not yeah, because then?
Because they're not gonna walkthem through the story of the
neglect, no, you know during thewhole process.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, you know, that is it and they never do, you know
yeah, but sometimes a they know,they know for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like I know, if you've been seeing a
professional regularly versusyou've been in more of a quote,
unquote, problematic Well, wedon't say problematic style.
You know more than anything youcan tell.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know youbacktrack and you really get the
nitty gritty of the history andI also start challenging them
like well, like well, you know,normally I don't see this, yeah
(18:28):
if you're regularly going tosomeone to get your hair done,
you know this looks more likebreakage from braids, you know
uh-huh yeah, but I'm with youthere.
I don't like to be in the mix ofthat either, because then
that's that's your reputation onthe line.
You know where people arelooking at your Instagram like,
well, I don't see that anywhere.
Oh, this is one-to-one shedon't want to show me.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can't got nothing to do withit, because you're always going
to show your best work.
You know, that's just like I'mnot going to put up, not putting
that up?
No, because it that's not apart of my brand, exactly like
it's my.
My name is beyond beauty.
(19:09):
It's beyond you looking good.
It's like I'm deeper than thatI love that man.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's deeper than that .
Yeah, it's all about peoplehave to go.
You have to find thehairstylist or the professional
for whatever needs that you want.
If it's hair care, then you youhave to seek a person.
That's all about hair care, andthat finish will be last you
know, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That's the finished product, is just the icing on
the cake.
All the things that happenedbefore man that's what's
important, you know absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And what about timing ?
How long is too long to keepbraids in before it starts
working against you?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's really loaded as well.
It depends on your hair.
Like we talked about, itdepends on the health of your
hair before you get the braids.
It depends on the thickness ofyour hair.
More finer hair is easier tobreak Even with the color of
your hair.
Some like when you have alighter texture hair, it's just
(20:12):
the layers of your hair aren'tas strong and you don't have as
many layers as someone withdarker, thicker hair.
So it depends on your hair.
Like people ask, like how longit depends.
It really does depend on yourhair.
I say generally no more thansix weeks.
I'm gonna pay this lady thissix weeks in that chair, this
long, like I'm like, yeah, aboutsix weeks, because at that
(20:35):
point you need some protein.
Yeah, you know, and even if youtry to take care of your hair
in braids, you still need thingsthat the braiding hair is gonna
soak up before it gets to yourhair you know, so you need
things in hair and it depends onyour hair strand.
And it's the people that want togo on braids.
Their hair is already damaged.
You probably should keep thoseup for two, Absolutely.
(20:58):
And then I have a lot ofclients that say you shouldn't
get braids at all.
I'm sorry, you should not getbraids at all.
And they're like what I'msupposed to do.
Get braids at all and they'relike what I'm supposed to do I'm
going on vacation, youshouldn't get braids at all.
We can explore other things.
Your hair yeah, try to wearyour hair like, try it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You should try, you should.
But I love that answer becauseit's not a one-size-fits-all,
it's all situational, it's allcircumstantial circumstantial
too.
You know, like you said, youknow it, it just depends on the
hair it really does.
It depends on your hair, itdepends on your.
You know, it just depends onthe hair it really does.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It does.
It depends on your hair, itdepends on your scalp, you know,
it depends on your lifestyle.
It depends on all of thosethings.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So I can't like tell you that.
But that six weeks is like thatsweet spot.
Yeah, that's a sweet spot,right?
Yeah, it sure is.
I'm at six weeks right nowfirst, and then I'll take these
things because of your time.
I was like, I was like dude, no, but yeah, I made six weeks
Saturday.
(21:53):
I was like that podcast Monday.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I was like oh no.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm gonna do this podcast and I'm gonna take them
braids out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm gonna hit that seven week mark but I know my
hair, you know, you know yourhair.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'm hit that seven week mark and then I'll remove
them, but I was like, uh-uh,okay, so beauty over health?
Social media plays such a bigrole.
Now we see these gorgeousstyles that go viral, but the
scalp is suffering behind thescenes.
Do you think we're learningmore into I mean not learning,
(22:23):
but leaning more into aestheticsthan actual integrity of the
hair?
The hair is health.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yes, I really do, Because Instagram and all the
TikToks and Snapchat, that isall about aesthetics, you know,
you see, it's all aboutaesthetics.
Like we spoke on before, we'renot going to show you our worst
day or us waking up with ouredges frizzy.
You know, we're not.
We're not doing that, so we'renot going to show you our worst
day or us waking up with ouredges frizzy, you know we're not
.
We're not doing that.
(22:50):
So it's that vulnerable.
No, we're not that vulnerable.
So it's like, especially withthe younger girls coming up.
You know they came up withsocial media, they came up with
having to be perfect, they cameup with the filters and all
these kind of these things.
So you know they are leaningmore towards aesthetic.
Like I'm I have to be on allthe time.
Like I have to be on all thetime because everybody else on
(23:11):
and when you lay down and youscroll and you feel like
everybody where you've seen themis where they left off.
If you've seen them lookingbeautiful on the beach, you feel
like I'm going to sleep.
But she's still standing upbeautiful on the beach it's not.
It's not an illusion, it's suchan illusion, and not even just
with the braids.
It's with these lace front wigs, honey, like they have to be
laid.
(23:31):
You see every lace front wiglaid flat on your edges with the
glue.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, you know so, and only can you imagine what
that's going to do.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh, I know what it's going to do Because I have
people that come to me and theyhave lace fronts.
Well, they've been wearing lacefronts.
You know I don't do them, butthey come and they're like I
want to do.
I've never had a client that isinconsistent lace fronts where
their hair is healthy at all.
Not one person.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's always all broke off around the edges and then
the rest of the hair looks sogood, right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, it's like it's either good or bad, it's like
your edges broke off, always100%, yeah.
And then your hair is full backhere yeah, so I'm having to do a
comb over, or it's like it'sbroke off back there, because
some people are like I don'twant to cut it, you don't even
wear your hair, so why are weholding on to what?
(24:23):
You don't wear it at all?
No, like you don't wear it atall and they'll come in for like
a silk press or something Irefuse or I'll do it, and
they're like how long it's gonnalast?
It's not gonna last that longbaby I just wanted to give you a
good hair.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Why it's not gonna last?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
because because your hair, the your layers of your
hair, is so broken down and it'sso split to where, even if it's
split and I trim your splitends that that hair that's split
and that one, the the left,it's like a twix you know you
got the left and you got theright.
So if they split, you know theybetter together.
But if that left split off andthis is dangling and lifeless,
(24:57):
then that's it's not gonna it'snot.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's not moving left to right, it's just it's not
gonna last and then, and if theyalso keep these wigs,
installing these braids andstuff for long periods of time,
you're not getting no hydration,no hydration.
So as soon as you hit theoutdoors that moist your hair
gonna be like yes, right give methat voice and then this ain't
(25:23):
no, your hair is pooping up, youknow because it's wanting all
the moisture.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, that it can get from anywhere.
It's like cough, it's like, andit is Say I'm wrong, knitra,
I'm not wrong.
Huh, somebody cough?
No for real.
No for real, anything, anything.
It's like it's just dying.
(25:47):
No for real, anything, anything.
It's like it's just dying.
Yeah, and then here we go onsaying that Angel did my hair
and it didn't last.
No for real.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I know I feel like, oh my goodness, like we have to
start taking accountability,yeah.
This is not necessarily yourhair not lasting because you
didn't get a good silk print.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Because here's the thing we always talk about
healthy hair journeys.
It's like you want healthy hair, but you don't want the journey
part it's a journey.
It's like healthy hair journey.
It's a journey people use.
I'm on my healthy hair journey,but you're not, but you're not.
You want to go fast, but you'renot.
If you haven't taken care ofyour hair for years, it take a
(26:27):
long time for your hair to growout from the the scalp to your
chin right.
You know, like that's years,that's a healthy head of hair,
so people like how long?
Consistently how long it'sgonna take years.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So if you don't have time, you you on the sprint,
honey, you ain't on no journey.
You're not on a journey, honey,you ain't on no journey here
you not on no journey, you notman.
But those are facts.
And you know what I also see isyears of neglect, thinking one
hair appointment is going to fixit, honey.
It's going to take years to fixit.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It takes years to fix it.
Just as much you put into it, ittakes years to fix it and a lot
of it is irreversible.
You have to cut, and I tellclients that when they come,
especially their firstappointment, I'm like, okay,
here's where we are, you seethrough.
Even though you see through thearea and that's what we're
going to cut off, it's stillsome damage up the hair shaft.
Sure is Up the hair shaft.
(27:18):
So we still have to grow cut,grow cut, grow cut.
You might be at a bob lengthfor a year or so.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Because we growing and cutting, and we growing and
cutting, but I promise you it'sworth it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It is.
It's so worth it.
It is, and I love to get theclients that just trust your
word and move forward or dowhatever Right and you actually
see them with results faster youdo.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You really do, you know, opposed to the ones who
are just so hesitant to justmove forward with the treatment
you know, yeah, you do yeah youget those clients that come and
you know they're not coming back.
Girl, you know they're notcoming back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But sometimes you get the clients and girl, they come
back.
You think they're not comingback and they come back and I'm
like I didn't even document thisbecause I didn't think she was
coming back.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I didn't think she was coming back.
Right, they ain't coming back,no, or they're there and they'd
say like 20 words the wholeappointment, which I'm fine with
you remember I got my TV Fivepeople a day.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
you get exhausted.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, I do three people a day.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Good good.
Just three people a day, youserious.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And then they keep coming back to you like I can't
even document this.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So mad at myself.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Especially too like I had a client when she first
came to me.
She actually came for a bridaltrial, but I didn't do the
bridal trial because her hairwas too broke.
I said let's just take care ofyour hair this appointment and
you come back and we'll do thebridal trial.
So we cut it and we cut into abob because it was broke off in
that little neck area.
Okay, so we cut into a shortbob and over the years it has
(28:54):
grown.
But she can't see it.
Yeah, they can't.
And I was like I hate I didn'tdocument this but I also thought
, since she initially booked forme to do a hair for the wedding
I was like she ain't comingback.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know I'm gonna cut this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This is a good, healthy start for her she will
do the hair for the wedding andthat'll be it.
But she kept coming back, sothen her hair grew about, maybe
past a little past her shoulders, but she has really fine hair
okay.
And, um, that's another thing Ihate about social media because
, uh, a lot of uh content thatgets pushed is more of girls
(29:28):
with like thick yeah, you knowthat real low density hair yeah
and we are thinking if we growour hair?
Maybe the thickness is gonnacome with it.
That's not always, that's noteverybody's hair, it's not so
she don't see, uh, she don't seelength or fullness, so I was
helping her, you know.
So we went back to like onepicture I showed her you know,
(29:50):
whenever we first started uh-huhthank god I had that picture
because I was just showing herthe breakage yeah, yeah, see,
yeah but still, just because itwasn't where she think it should
be, she could not evenappreciate it.
I'm like y'all have toappreciate the process too, yeah
, and the progress.
You have to appreciate theprocess too.
And the progress.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You have to appreciate the process, the
progress, and you have toappreciate what God gave you
coming from your head.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, because it's not everybody's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's not everybody don't have full thick hair.
That don't mean it's notbeautiful hair.
That don't mean we can'texplore styles that's going to
make it appear to be thicker orstyles that's going to make you
feel good about your hair.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But it's everybody don't have that, you know, and
it's okay, it is.
I feel like be happy, you haveit.
I have clients that sit in mychair.
They have scarring hair loss.
Girl, they would trade headswith you right now every all the
.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I say that especially people like my edges.
Baby, if you got some, I knowsome people that don't have and
they're not coming back, which Imean, and I have people that
don't have as, and they okaywith it.
They like this is what I did,this is where I'm at, you know.
So we gonna do this and Isuggest different stuff, like a
middle part or something, andthey okay it's like it's all
(31:00):
about, you know, accepting whatyou have that's right and
building off of that yeah,absolutely, girl.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, so let's talk about the scalp.
That's the foundation and oftenit gets neglected in braided
styles.
What do you recommend forprepping the scalp before braids
and keeping it healthy whileit's in the long-term hairstyle?
A scalp?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
detox for sure.
You know those oils that comeout of our scalp.
We have to lift all that upbefore we even get the braids.
You know some people they do abasic shampoo and then you know
they like my scalp is, and youknow how a lot of braiders do
they have their.
What is it?
The edge control?
What do they?
Put on that edge control yeah,they slap it on your scalp.
(31:45):
So you doomed, they layered toogirl.
You said you doomed.
It's like we putting it onthick.
Yeah, you doomed.
You doomed Angel, because whereit's going, you know our curly
girls.
The product come from here andit's like a maze to get down to
the end.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
That's why our hair is dry, man.
That's why it's dry.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So if you put that edge control right on your scalp
and a lot of it.
It don't have nowhere to travelto, so it's only going to
travel to that base of yourbraid.
It's going to give you thatknot with all that product.
It's going to break your hairoff right there or it's going to
sit on your scalp.
So you have to give yourself afair start with a scalp detox.
(32:31):
You know, to get whatever theailments in the air and
impurities and stuff that wecan't see with the eye, that we
can see under a microscope, soyou have to give that good scalp
detox.
And you know, during while youhave your braids in, you have to
do something to it.
You know you can't justconsistently put bright spray or
oil on it.
You know you can't do that, soyou have or oil on it.
You know you can't do that, soyou have to either shampoo.
Sometimes I have tell clientsokay, if you don't want to fully
(32:53):
shampoo, you can wet a towel,wipe it.
Put a wet towel, put a littlesomething on it and wipe your
scalp.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We got to do something to it, and then
shampooing your braids.
A lot of people don't like to dothat because it causes the
frizz and you know stuff likethat and it takes a while to dry
, you know.
So they don't want to do that,but that's a good thing too.
And that's that aesthetic overhealth.
Yes, yeah, that aesthetic overhealth.
Yeah, I know, I saw a girl onTikTok.
(33:21):
She made a post and she saidshe didn't say anything, it was
just captioned and she wasshowing her braids and she was
like um, I make sure to shampoomy uh scalp and my braids as
soon as the braider is done.
The girl you should saw themcomments.
It was like what, you spend allthat money, I'm gonna make them
frizzy again and and and thefunny thing is I literally said
(33:46):
when I got these braids, I saidthe next time I get some braids,
I'm shampooing my hair rightafter she's done, if I got the,
if I have the energy, or thenext day, because I just want
all that product off my scalp,you know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And whenever I did shampoo my hair with these
braids, it was just lighter like, yeah, you know, and it's
refreshing, yes, it's sorefreshing when you do it you're
like, yeah, man, that felt good, you know, and it's just they
have.
And I understand why they use alot of product, because I don't
want to, like, bash thebraiders.
I used to braid, I braid.
I started braiding before Istarted doing natural hair or
(34:23):
hair period.
I was a braider right, so Iunderstand why they use it to
get all that hair in there andthen to braid it and the
longevity, but it's like it, it,but that's before.
I learned too, you know that'sbefore I was educated on the
hair strand before I went tocosmetology school before I was
educated on the scalp and allthat stuff.
So you know I understand, butin a another sense now it's not
(34:45):
helping us either, no, no, and Iusually don't leave mine up
long enough to wash it.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'm sometimes I'll do four weeks and they out.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know, that was me that was me, because my um, my
hair used to get tender aroundthe edges, you know.
So it's like me pushing them tothe side or pulling them up and
it was heavy and I would getheadaches as well.
So I'm like I can't keep themup that long.
And it wasn't my new growth.
Like people, like my new girl,my, the texture of my hair, my
braids will slide anyway.
(35:15):
So it's not new growth, it'sjust sliding down.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, you have that really soft texture.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It's really hard to grip.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
And even then, you know, know,I feel like four weeks was still
too long to go without anywater on my scalp.
You know, now that I'm gettingmore into learning about you
know, I don't wear braids a lot,so I'm trying to, you know, not
trying, but I was like stuck inthat space of well, I don't
wear them a lot, so I don't haveto really shampoo my hair.
But I'm like, no, you need toshampoo that stuff at least
every two weeks because thatscalp just need that water.
(35:49):
But this time I was like I'mjust gonna shampoo it right
after she done because just toreceive, you know or lift up all
of that build up, yeah, youknow, off of my scalp.
And then the braids got lighterand, uh, I don't.
I feel like I think I washed myhair week three with these.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It didn't have a lot of frizz, I just used some
Nairobi mousse and just moldedit down and put a wave cap on it
and set it in the dryer.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I tell them yeah, and it was cool, but that girl
received a lot of backlash inthose comments.
Like girl, I would never Likeyou spend all that money and
then you're going to wash yourhair, right?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
after she's done with it.
And who does that you spend allthat money on and this is what
baps me you spend all that moneyon weave and braids but, you
will not spend money on yourhair like it just really like
like.
I'm not spending all that moneyon no natural style baby, like
for real.
You're not gonna all that moneyon no natural style Baby, like
for real.
You're not going to spend nomoney on you getting the scalp
(36:52):
detox.
So this is what I do Scalpdetox.
I'm clarifying your hair.
I'm giving you a whole pecsrebonding treatment.
You know, now I'm puttingmoisture back into your hair.
Now I'm giving you a deepcondition or protein treatment,
moisturizing treatment, whatevertreatment I feel is necessary
for you.
Then we detangling at the bowl,we massaging, and then we get
(37:13):
up, we blowing, we trimming.
You ain't going to take care ofyourself.
You're not going to do that allfor yourself, but you will spend
all this money on these wigsand braids and stuff Something
that's not even a part of you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
You're okay with investing in a foreign object,
but the, you know, but the hairthat's on your head.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You don't want to take the time to invest in that
they don't take the time,because they take it out and
they put it back in.
They don't even want to seetheir self without the braids
and the hair.
Like they don't.
It's man, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's true.
I definitely have a few likethat, or had a few like that,
where they just I had one client.
She first came to me and I don'tthink she ever received a trim
just based on how her hair wasjust breaking you know, it was
like sick at the roots but justfine and limp everywhere else
and it just looked like neverhad a cut, you know, and um, so
we cut it into like one littleugly 90 degree haircuts, you
know.
And she's like I, oh, I wantwaist-length hair.
I want you to grow it down tomy waist.
(38:11):
I said you know, with time andyou know consistency, we might
can get there.
I was like, but baby, you'regoing to have to be patient.
That's a lot of pressure on me.
You're going to have to bepatient.
Okay, that's like like eightyears.
You know, like, come on, let'sbe honest.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
You're like, I take care of my hair and it's not a
wasteland.
I'm like girl Sometimes youcan't get that hair you just you
know.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I was like we gonna see, you know.
So, girl, we cut it and it grew.
You know she kept coming backbut she did not want to touch
her hair, so it was more likeI'm coming in just for you to.
It was it was, uh, we was doing, um, hair extensions so she
would come in do the weavemaintenances.
That was a good thing about her.
She stayed on top of theappointment so she did see
(38:56):
results.
Because of that, we got herdown to probably at the bottom
of her bra.
Yeah, because she had that hairthat could grow yeah, you know
yeah, and you could tell youknow tell.
Like you could probably getthere.
Yeah, you'd be like, probably,maybe bra lanes, yeah, uh-huh
and so, but she got pregnant.
Oh yeah, she went back toHouston to let her and her
(39:21):
husband live with her mom whileher house was getting built in
Austin.
When she came back, her wasbroke off.
Don't that start all over again.
Oh, it broke my heart, got itback growing.
I didn't see her for like sixmonths, came back, broke off
again.
I'm telling you, we grew it tothe same length at least four
times.
The last time I saw her it wasup here to her neck, like I had
(39:44):
to cut it all off, yeah.
And so I'd be like, if you keepcoming, if you stay consistent,
you could actually see someresults.
Yeah, but it came to this pointwhere it was like, well, my
silk press is on last and I waslike but you don't wear your
hair, you don't.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You know, you don't wash it and they say, like you
can heat train it.
It's really not heat training,it's you getting the proper
products and you're getting itproperly done and you're taking
care of it.
I was on Instagram and I seen alady a post.
She was like I don't understandwhy y'all do all these
hydrating treatments, all this,and then y'all going to blow out
their hair and y'all going tosuppress it.
(40:18):
Y'all just wasting time, Y'alljust messing.
I said you know I stay out ofthe comments because we can go
all night, you know, but I'mlike you have to prep that hair,
you have to hydrate that hairin order for things to work.
Like you are building upstrength to for it to withstand
the things that you're going todo to it like.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But y'all know more than me I feel like it's the you
know not to knock theinfluencers.
I feel like they just have moreum mind control, yeah, over,
you know, the consumers than wedo, you know, and just have more
mind control over you know theconsumers than we do, you know,
and they have more mind controlbecause we say it takes time.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
you know, we want to be real about it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And some people want that beautiful lie, not the ugly
truth.
You know it's like.
This is just what.
If you listen to what I'm, youknow, informing you on what to
do, I promise you the reason whyyou keep coming back is because
you are listening to thatinfluencer.
The reason why you don't see noresults is because you were
listening to the influencer.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And there's so many influences, you don't know what
to do because nobody's reallylooking at your hair.
You're not sitting in anyone'schair and they're saying okay,
your hair is finer.
I see that you don't have asmany layers as the next, so
we're going to have to do this,that and that they don't come up
with a plan for you, so youcan't be out there on the
internet just while just swayingwith the wind.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, because you won't be buying.
No, you won't.
But if that's what you want,you know, never run with that
either.
Uh-huh Right, this is all aboutthe gold, you know, at the end
of the day Are.
So, you know, at the end of theday, are there any treatments
you swear by for your clientsthat keep their scalp in good
condition?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I have a few.
I was doing Wonder Crown withMizani, which I like that.
I do like that it's a moreoil-based.
So you know, oil lifts oil.
So with my oilier client, Ilike that.
I've been dabbling in Amika'spreset, their charcoal scalp
detox.
I like that because it's lightand I like that they have a lot
(42:15):
of natural products like cleanproducts.
I've been liking Amika lately.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's expensive as hell, but I like it.
It sure is, even for theprofessionals Girl, for the
professionals.
God bless the consumers.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I went in there and I'm like you know, I'm racking
them.
They like forfeit, I'm likewait a minute.
What it's expensive, let me getthe trial sizes, and I do.
I like the full line of bylaws,I like they clean.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yes, I like the full.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yes, I love their scalp sink.
I love that so, like with myclients that really have just
scalp issues and you know, likeif I do a pre-poo and they sit
in the chair, then I'm going inwith my scalp sink each time.
Yes, indeed, I love that it'sso gentle too, right it's so
gentle, it's so non-stripping,it's so not perfumey you know
(43:05):
you got some good sense, butit's not like you didn't drop
your versace in there in a wholebottle, right?
Speaker 1 (43:13):
no, because a lot of people aren't aware that
fragrance sometimes is evenharmful, you know?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
on the hair, I mean on the scalp yeah, especially if
you you're very sensitive yeahyou know.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
so you want to kind of sometimes find a product
that's very light, yeah, verylight.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Smelling or it's fragrance free, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So that's right girl.
But yeah, biolage, theydefinitely stepped it up.
They did Whenever they came outwith that scalp spray yeah they
did, they did yeah.
And, like you say, it's sogentle, but it does the job.
It does the job you wouldn'teven think that it would do so
great because it's so gentleright, Because we used to stuff
like tea tree oils and all thatproduct which I still.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
you know, if I want to do a good scalp strip, I hit
that tea tree but, like you,with that, Biolize, you like, ok
, this is some light stuff.
It's really going to do the jobbecause you know, but it does
the job.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I've been liking it.
I love it.
I also want to touch on scarand hair loss, traction,
alopecia and CCC, ccca.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I don't see, I know.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
For example, these often come from repeated stress
and ignoring early signs.
What are some red flags peopleoverlook when their scalp or
hair is trying to communicatesomething?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I see, I know, Just like smell.
Sometimes you can smell whenyour scalp needs some attention.
You can you catch that early.
You can get the treatments, youcan get the steroids, you can
(44:58):
get the vitamin D, you can getall those things to stop it,
Because most of the time CCCA isgenetic right.
It's like your grandmother hadit, your mom had it.
So if you catch it then and yougo to a dermatologist, they can
catch it then.
But you have to, like someonehas to be above your head to see
(45:18):
that you know.
But if it starts to spread,then sometimes you can't do
nothing about it.
You can only, you can onlytreat what you have, right.
So, catching those signs earlyand then most of the time you
know it's like itchy or it'sinflamed or you know, like those
(45:39):
type of you may see some littlered bumps, you know things like
that.
So if you catch that early, youhave to catch the CCCA early.
You have to, that's right, youhave to.
And with the traction alopecia,you know, like we spoke on those
bulbs that you see.
You know those white bulbs thatyou see over and over, like
back to back, when you get thosebraids, or you getting those
wigs, or you know you have tostop.
There's nothing else to do withthat, but just stop, just stop.
(46:02):
You know, and I talk like whenI have my wig clients, they like
, well, I just put my wig on.
I'm like, do you sleep in it?
Yeah, I'm like so would you puta rubber band around your waist,
around your wrist and sleepingthat all night what you think
that's gonna do to your hand,cutting off all types of blood
flow, blood flow and you needblood flow to grow your hair.
Yeah, you know those hairfollicles.
They mean they gotta, they.
(46:24):
It's a whole function.
It's a science behind it, sure,and blood flow is.
It starts, you know, cuttingoff all the oxygen, all the
oxygen, all the blood flow andall you don't get no sunlight,
nothing, no, nothing, no,nothing.
So yeah, you got to payattention to that, Like if you
see, like those hair bulbs, oryou taking, you combing it and
(46:45):
you combing and his hair comingout, stop.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
You know, just stop, yeah, and those are some really
great early signs.
Those are like the first signsright there, like you said,
those bulbs one that itchy.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah uh flame the uh inflamed.
Oh my goodness, those are thefirst ones when you start
itching out of control.
Yes, that's a sign that yourscalp is stressed yes, and it's
getting ready to release thatfollicles you have that your
face, girl.
I'm like mm-hmm At the crownonce those follicles start to
close, it's like you and it'sjust, it's closing off.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Closing off them.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Food in the chokehold , mm-hmm and it's like that,
like that CCCA, you can reverseit or keep it where it is, you
know, keep it stagnant.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
But you that's.
That's beyond our chair it sureis.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
You know you have to go to a dermatologist.
Yes, yeah, yeah, and I do referthem.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
We're usually like those front line, though Like
they always come to us firstBecause I don't even know.
If they know this is moremedical than it is anything,
it's beyond what I can do, youknow, girl.
And when clients come in afteryears of braiding without proper
(48:01):
care, how do you help them?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
begin with that healing process.
It's.
It's refreshing that you sayhealing, because it is a healing
process and it's deeper thanjust healing their hair.
It's so much deeper because,like when they have, when they
have the braids back to back,you have to change their whole
mindset on their hair andthemselves.
Like you have to, like, try tofind different styles that makes
(48:25):
them comfortable withoutwearing braids.
You know so it's like you haveto come up with a plan with
their hair, but you also have tocome up with a relationship.
Well, build a relationship withthem so that they can trust you
right and so that you can makethem feel good about wearing
their own hair.
You know, because I can come upwith this plan and we can.
(48:48):
Okay, I can say you can dotwo-string twists or you know,
but your two-string twists arenot going to look like you want
them to look today.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Mm-hmm, you know, or your two-string twist are not
going to look like you want themto look.
Today, mm-hmm, you know.
Or tomorrow, no, or in a monthor two or six, no, that's right,
you know, it's not going to dothat.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
So how can I help you along this journey?
Right, how can I help you alongthis journey but still keep
your hair on track, but teachyou and heal you to love
yourself through this all you?
Speaker 1 (49:18):
know, know, because it's that.
It's so much of that like Ifeel, so anything right it's
like you.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
You have to change your mindset and you have to be
okay with not doing the thingsthat you've been doing to your
hair.
And we're gonna heal your hairin this process, yeah, but, like
you, like we said, it's healingyou too and I'm sympathetic
with it and I try to do it withlove.
You know, we joke and we playand we see the stuff online and
I repost.
But at the end of the day,these women come in and they and
(49:42):
I'm in a small suite and it'sjust us.
People cry, people say I can'twear my hair like this.
What my husband gonna think?
You know, I'm in corporate.
I can't do this style.
You know what am I gonna do?
It's, it's real it's like it'sso real.
It's a whole healing process anda journey from within.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, for sure.
And that when you mentioned youonly take three clients a day.
That's why you can only takethree clients a day, because
it's not just me physically andpractically doing your hair, no,
it's more than that, yeah, I'mlike nurturing you to love
yourself, you know like you said, through the process it's a lot
yeah, because you know, kanisha, I was doing, I was adding hair
(50:20):
to twist.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I stopped doing that.
I was doing micro links andsew-ins I stopped doing that so
I still have some clients fromthat.
Right, you know, I still haveclients from when I was adding
hair to their twist and theylike you're not doing that, no
more, I'm not.
So we're just gonna do thesethis, these flat twists, and
you're twisting the frontwithout hair.
Yeah, I don't know if I can dothat well, let's try, you know,
because and I tell them my why Istopped and then, like the
(50:43):
micro inclines, baby, they hateme.
I lost them because we doing theponytail you can flip it up,
you can do it down, you can talkto the versatility man.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
They and they are cute, though they're beautiful.
Yeah, that's a hard one toleave about doing that over and,
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, you know, because they say you got to have
a certain thickness orcertainness.
But it's like I'm clamping thisand I'm I know I'm suffocating
your hair but I'm thinking okay,you know this.
Is they telling me that it'snot going to break the hair?
I'm trying it, I'm doing it,and it's money, baby it sure is.
One of them a day.
You can go home.
You go home, go home, go and go.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Go, and go you dropped it.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And then girl, and then I'm like I'm not doing that
, no more.
Good, I'm like what?
Because it's like I reallyreally care about the hair.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Like you know, people say they care and they may do,
but I know for a fact that thisis a God-given gift and I really
care.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, for sure.
And it's so many people outhere that don't.
You know, they literally don'tas professionals, they just
don't you know, which is why,when they come to see people
like me and you girl, like yousaid, we have to really build
and gain their trust.
You know, it's really hard toget them to like really you know
(52:04):
, see what we can do, becausethey've been misled so much in
the past and it's always somehair horror story.
So when they finally come seeme and you girl, we dealing with
a whole situation, a wholesituation, a whole situation.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
you can it's it's two , it's a twofold, like we're
dealing with a whole situation.
But I get more clients, nowthat I've um rebranded myself
and um, you know, gain moreconfidence in what I'm doing.
I get.
I attract more clients.
That's refreshed when they comein.
Now I really do, like the newclients that I've been accepting
(52:39):
, they're refreshed and they'relike okay, okay, like you on
time, all right, and if you'renot, you're giving me a courtesy
call, what's that, you know?
Or you coming in and it's cleanand it's smelling good and it's
you know, oh, and I have itwhere you don't have to pick a
treatment.
I'm treatment based.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
so they like that's right your whole um, that's
right, that's how it alwaysshould be, that's how I feel,
and I was like well, I didn'tfeel, I feel like that, but I
feel like they should alwayspick a treatment so I'm like
y'all not picking nothing.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
How can I restructure this to where it's all embedded
into your service?
Like every service is comingwith a treatment.
Your price is included and thetreatment going to cost you, but
it's all included.
So you get on there.
You click, twist, you'regetting a steam treatment.
You're getting the treatmentsthat you need Just do it anyways
.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Or even when I know some of my clients, they will
say, like I don't know what topick.
I'm like, just pick anythingand I'm just going to analyze
your hair when you get here and,based on what I see, I'm going
to recommend the treatment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I would tell them to do that also, but then they just
wasn't picking at all Like goon with it, ain't that?
Style Uh-huh yeah, uh-huh yeah,that was just not paying.
I'm like you know well, let mejust put it in getting a silk
press.
You need, you need, you needsome treatments to build it up.
If you're getting twists, weknow you're gonna leave them in
for a couple weeks or so, so youneed some treatments.
(53:59):
You know, if you're gettingeverything that you're getting
with natural hair, you need somesort of treatment.
Right, you do.
I just feel like you do.
You might not need proteinbecause you can over protein
someone hair, but you needsomething yep, absolutely, a,
absolutely A protein overload.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
That was one that ooh , what is it?
The Apogee Everybody was doingApogee, that's some strong stuff
.
That's because of YouTube, theinfluencers, like you know, they
mean, well, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Like.
You don't need to be havingthat stuff at home with your
hair brick hard.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Girl, I mean you saying that dryer.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I remember in my early days I sat this lady under
the dryer with that Apogee onthere.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
When it dried she was stuck to the back of the dryer
it's sticky too, it's sticky andooh, it fuses to whatever it's
it sure does, it will stick onyour neck.
You gotta make sure they alllayered up to the neck and it
stinks so bad.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Lord Jesus man oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Before we wrap up, I want to ask you this what's
something you wish every clientknew before they sat in your
chair?
Speaker 2 (55:09):
That I truly understand that natural hair
isn't easy and that if, when yousit in my chair, that I'm truly
invested in partnering with youto get you to where you want to
be and where you need to be, um, and I just understand it's not
easy.
I'm not the stylist that sayall you got to do is you know,
all you got to do is all yougotta do.
(55:29):
No, because I had natural hair.
I had natural hair, so I'm inthe shower, I'm just doing the
things you know.
It's step one like a wash andgo.
It ain't no wash and go, it's awash.
Girl, I stopped doing wash andgoes.
Also, I don't do those anymore.
I'm like girl no, I'm not doingthat.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
But I just know no, no such thing just know that.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
I know that it's not easy and I'll meet you where you
are.
I'll meet you where you are now.
I'm gonna tell you the truthand I'm gonna be honest but I'll
meet you where you are.
I'll meet you where you are.
Now I'm going to tell you thetruth and I'm going to be honest
, but I will meet you where youare.
Well, we will come up with aplan, but I know it's a journey
and I know it's not easy.
You know, and you know just,partnership with people.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
It's really collaborative.
It is.
It's so collaborative when wedecide we're going to lock in on
a hair journey.
We collaborate.
You know I'm you know bettingon you to show up at your
appointments and you betting onme to get your hair goals
whatever that may be, you know,and I feel like if we looked at
it more like we're collaborating, the journey could be so much
(56:29):
more healthier.
I ain't going to say it's goingto be easy, I mean, but it'll
be healthier for your hair.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
But it's worth it.
What's worth having?
That is easy.
Nothing came easy.
That was really worth havingand if it came, so easy?
You should question itabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, that's those effects.
Nothing in life worth having iseasy at all well, thank you,
angel, for extending your timeand sharing your expertise and
your knowledge with us today.
If you would like for ourlisteners to connect with you,
please shout out your socialmedia networks, your website
(57:05):
information and also how to bookyou um, I am.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
My website is wwwbeyondbeautyhaircom and you
can actually book from thewebsite and then on social media
.
On social media.
I'm beyondbeauty on Instagram.
That's all I got right now.
Good for you.
(57:30):
I get so overwhelmed with agirl, so that's all I have is
Instagram and my website, girl.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I've been doing fine.
I'm really trying to figure outwhich one I'm letting go.
I'm like, is it going to beTikTok or is it going to be
Instagram?
But I'm letting one of them go.
I don't know which one is goingto be.
I feel like you do so good.
I don't know Like I getoverwhelmed too, all those
different social medias, youknow.
that's why sometimes I will goghost and don't post because I'm
tired you know, but people whoare more consistent, they have
(58:00):
like one and I feel like if youfocus on one, that one's going
to grow.
Yeah, but when you're trying tofigure out the algorithm for
this one, figure out thealgorithm for that one.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, you're just like bouncing back and forth.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
You're all over the place, and then you can never
really grow your following, groweven the channel that you are,
you know, operating on, becauseyou just it's too much at one
time yeah so.
I'm more active on Instagramthan TikTok.
Okay, yeah, but no, it's a lot.
I don't care what it look like,it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I'm glad I'm making it look good Right you do, but
it is very hard.
I be looking at your stuff andI lay down like, ooh, she did
good, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
And I like it all though Don't get me wrong, I
like creating the content.
I love being behind the chair,but it was just too much.
I was like I got to picksomething and just stick with it
because I'm getting old, I'mgetting old, I'm getting tired
and I just don't have time forthis.
Yeah, you know, you know we gotour families.
Yeah, and I'm like I want to bemore intentional there too.
(59:01):
Yeah, not just with my face inthis phone all the time.
Yeah, you know, because that'swhat it's gonna become if you
keep opening up a new account,because now they got lemon eight
, because they were gonna shutdown tiktok.
I don't know if you heard oflemon eight, so then then
Lemonade was promoting on TikTok.
Like, open up a Lemonadeaccount if they're going to
close down.
I was like I ain't doing that,I'm not doing that.
This is it for me, because I'mtrying to get rid of one of you.
(59:23):
All these relationships, it'stoo much.
And then you're just sharingthe same stuff across the
different platforms.
So why Then you got to reply topeople?
And don't get me wrong, I lovethat part, but not when I'm
doing it on both platforms.
Yeah, so that was such apowerful and much needed
conversation.
(59:44):
Huge thank you to AngelHenderson for joining me and
sharing her insight on what itreally means to protect your
hair, especially in the world ofbraids.
If you've been dealing withbreakage, scalp irritation or
you're just trying to do betterby your hair, I hope this
episode gave you clarity andconfidence to make choices that
support your hair journey, notset it back.
Make sure to follow Angel andconnect with her work.
(01:00:05):
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to Hair what I'm Saying.
If this episode resonated withyou, share it with a friend,
drop a review and let's keepthis conversation going Until
next time.
Keep loving on you and I'llcatch you on the next episode.
Welcome back to another episode of Hair what I'm
Saying the podcast, where wekeep it real about beauty,
culture and the crown we wearevery day our hair.
Today, we're diving into atopic that's been glamorized,
misunderstood and evenmislabeled for years braids and
hair loss.
So many of us have grown upthinking that braids are
automatically a protective style, but are they really protecting
(00:24):
our hair or could they be doingthe opposite?
To help me break this down, Iinvited the amazing Angel
Henderson, a natural texturespecialist and salon owner based
in Georgetown, texas.
She's someone who trulycelebrates real hair, educates
her clients and understands thescience behind healthy styling.
We're talking myths, scalphealth, braid tension, synthetic
(00:46):
hair, dangers and everything inbetween, so let's get into it.
Welcome to the Hair what I'mSaying podcast.
I'm your host, kenetra Stewart.
Today we have Angel Hendersonof Beyond Beauty, a natural hair
expert located in Georgetown,texas, here to discuss braids
and hair loss with us.
Welcome to the show, angel.
How are you?
I'm pretty good that here todiscuss braids and hair loss
with us.
Welcome to the show, angel.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
How are you?
I'm pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's good Doing good, that's good, that's good.
How are you feeling overall?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm feeling good.
This is my first time doing apodcast, but not my first time
talking to you, so At all.
You bet, don't loseconversations about hair the
industry.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The toxicity, the good, yep, the good, all of it.
All right.
So I wanted to invite you onthe show because I saw that you
have been sharing content onbraids and hair loss and I
wanted you to be able toelaborate more about it, because
you know, like, with thecontent on social media, it's
really hard to like get all ofthe gems you know out and
(01:41):
everyone's attention span is soshort on know social media.
So it's like, let's, let's putit out there so that people can
be aware black womenspecifically, since we're always
wearing braids about you knowsome of the things that we are
not aware of when it comes tobraids.
They can be great, but they'renot always.
They can also be problematictoo, yes, depending on how you
approach it pre and post.
(02:03):
You know, know brave styles,right, yes, yeah, all right,
cool.
So thank you for accepting theinvite and we're going to roll
on to the first question.
So first we just want to talkabout you, like, how did you get
into doing hair and when didyou know that natural texture
was going to be the thing youeventually transition into
(02:24):
specializing in?
Oh, ok.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So I got into hair fairly early, so I started to.
Well, when I was 10 years old Iwent into a foster home and I
had tons.
I never knew that about you.
No but I mean, I'm not notproud of it.
It's my story now, so I youknow I'm more comfortable with
speaking on it and tellingothers but that's how I got into
(02:48):
it.
So I was 10 when I went intofoster care.
Tons of hair, you know, justtons of hair.
And you know, at 10 years oldyou're starting to get into the
age where you start to careabout yourself, you're
transitioning into a preteen.
So my first foster home she wasa disabled lady, so she wasn't
(03:08):
well, she was disabled, so shewasn't able to take care of my
hair and my mom was fairly goodat it until she went into her
depression and things like that.
So I was used to my hair beingkept up and I was used to, you
know, people always saying youhave beautiful hair, your hair
is so pretty, you know, let meget one of those ponytails, you
know.
So I went into the foster careand I had to start to take care
(03:29):
of my hair and that was a wholedifferent thing.
Like I didn't want to go toschool and be embarrassed.
It was already a differentworld for me going into that
Right.
So I started to learn there andthen I went to a different
foster home and this foster homehad other little girls in the
home and I was taking care of myhair and they're like okay, at
11 and almost 12, I was braiding.
(03:51):
I started to braid my own hairand put beads on it and they're
like okay, what do you do?
And my little sister was inthat foster home with me also
and I started to do her hair.
And so I started to do theother little girls' and I had me
a little clientele, honey,about three or four, oh my
goodness.
So that's where it all startedand so like getting more into
natural hair.
When I went to cosmetologyschool, you know they taught us
(04:13):
everything.
So I was doing relaxers and youknow that was in 2009 and
natural hair was just startingto touch, you know, our
community and we started to feelcomfortable with it.
Um, so I was still doingrelaxers.
Then I didn't jump deep intonatural hair until I moved here
to austin about seven years agooh, okay, so you were still
pretty much servicing clientsbehind the chair with relaxers.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, these do you still.
Are you just straight naturalhair, straight natural I don't
offer relaxers at all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I haven't offered a relaxer.
I probably only did relaxersfor a couple of years here.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, I mean the demand is so low.
You don't really make moneyfrom it.
It'll take you a long time togo through a whole jar of
relaxers a day and that's what Iwas getting into.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I kept my jar of relaxers for a while and I'm
like you know the shelf life, Ican't be stupid.
You know the shelf life.
I can't be still good and I'mnot.
I wasn't focused on learning itanymore and you know, like our
mindset as caring for the hair,when you get a stylist that
cares, you want to knoweverything about what you're
doing to your client's hair andI wasn't interested in learning
that anymore.
(05:17):
I was shifting more into thenatural hair, yeah, and I just
had like two or three relaxedclients.
I was like you know what?
I know somebody for y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, well, good, at least you can refer them out to
somebody, because even it'sstill hard to refer them out
because a lot of us aren'treally doing relaxers no more.
I know I still did you know,until I no longer do hair no
more.
But I was definitely, you know,still doing relaxers for
certain clients, yeah, relaxersfor certain clients, yeah, but
like you said, that shelf lifefor that relaxer, you don't
really get to use all of thatrelaxer and I worked with a
(05:49):
stylist that she one jar relaxertook like 10 people hair out
and that scared 10 people hairout.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, like out oh like out where they was coming back
and it was like okay, yeah, itwas out, so yeah so what relaxer
was it?
What, what brand yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
a firm.
Oh, I hate a firm.
I've never liked the firm ittook my hair out I never, ever
since it took my hair.
I was like I'm done with thisto relax.
I just feel like the regularstrength is strong too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So yeah, I'm like no, I hate that relax what were
some of the biggest myths youhad to let go in your own path
as a hairstylist?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Biggest myths.
One grease like heavy grease,like greasing the scalp, the
blue magic.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Like you know, when we were younger, it was like you
line the girls up at night andwe're going to oil your scalp
and we're going to plait it andthen you're going to go to sleep
.
That pillow going to be greasyin the morning girl yes, but it
was it would bleed through yourscarf too, and I would go
outside my hair cooking, youknow, and I had tons of it, so
it was just cooking, scalpcrackling, but yeah, it was like
(06:58):
that's one thing, the greaseand then shampooing consistently
.
We were taught that sometimesdirty hair, you know, makes your
hair grow.
Or shampooing consistently.
We were taught that sometimesdirty hair, you know, makes your
hair grow, or shampooing it toomuch it's gonna make your hair
too dry for us, you know.
So those two things I had tolike unlearn, like we don't need
grease, you don't blue magic.
Just because your hair shiny,that don't mean it's just
amazing, I know it was like ablack household tradition wasn't
(07:21):
, yeah what about the.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did y'all ever get like a cup of water and dip the
brush in it too?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
oh yeah yeah, they brushing your from your your
eyebrows to the back.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yes, indeed, girl those are my best childhood
memories, even though theyweren't good, you know, but they
were definitely they only knewthey were doing what they knew.
You know, that's all we knewthat's true, and then it was
have the education like Exactly,yeah, that was a good one.
I wasn't even expecting you tosay that, okay, so let's.
(07:51):
Let's get into the topic ofbraids.
People always call themprotective styles.
However, the word gets usedloosely.
From your professionalexperience, when are braids
actively or actually protectiveand when are they not?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
First, what are we protecting?
You know, like, what are wereally protecting?
When you say I'm in aprotective style, what are we
protecting?
And most of the time, we'reprotecting from our own hands,
in our head, all the time.
Or we're protecting, you know,like over manipulation of our
hair, which is your hands, andwe're protecting.
Like you know, like overmanipulation of our hair, which
is your hands, and we'reprotecting like your ends being
(08:27):
sealed.
Or we're protecting because wejust, you know, protecting our
time, because we don't want tospend time on our hair, you know
.
So it's like at first, likewhat are we protecting, you know
?
And after that, protectivestyles can be good, but it's
only good if you go into it withhealthy hair.
You know, I'm protecting myhair, but my hair is already
(08:49):
damaged and it's already broken,it's already dry, so I'm going
to go into a protective style.
That's when it's not protecting, right, you know it's not
protecting then.
And it's not protecting when weleave them in too long, or it's
too tight, or you know allthose things.
So we, you know all thosethings.
So we, we, you know, like yousaid, we use it loosely.
We're protecting our hair.
But first, what are weprotecting.
How are we protecting?
And you know longevity of it.
(09:12):
We want it to last.
They say I pay.
I pay three hundred dollars forthese braids.
They better last, yes, or I hadthem in for two months.
They look good, still like okay, but it's not protecting.
You know you're, you'redestructing stuff now.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And neglecting at that point, because it's too
long to leave them up, you knowyeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So it becomes a protective style when you go in
it and your hair is actuallyhealthy and you are doing the
things that you need to do toyour scalp along with your hair
strand.
So that's when it's protectiveand you don't leave it in for
you know months on end.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's when it's protected, right, yeah, but I
love that question because it isvery valid.
Like, what are you protecting?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
like you said mostly that time, yeah, you don't want
to spend no time doing our hair.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We don't, and it's more of a convenience hairstyle
more than anything.
Like we're not really thinkingabout the pre-hair care.
No, before we even get intothese braids, like you really
need to take the time to takecare of your scalp and hair
before you put it into thatstyle because, like you said,
it's not necessarily protectingit.
You know, whenever you know,depending on how you, you know,
(10:21):
wear these braids, how long youwear these braids or whatever
the case may be, and then whenyou take them out, like, what
are you going to do to make surethat your hair stay, the
integrity stay intact?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But I feel like mostly from what I hear, it's
more about time.
It's not really the hair youknow.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, it's more about time Like I'm tired of my hair.
I'm about to put it up, that'sexactly what I did with these,
but this is forever.
Well, this is, you know, likethat's just the truth.
It was time, kenesha.
It was time because I'm ineverybody else's head.
I don't have time.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
To do your hair.
I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'm like I look like trash, yeah, like what.
It's like it takes a lot to getready in the morning when
you're in everybody else's head,you sure does.
I'm like I just no, and I wasfinding myself just brushing my
hair back in a ponytail, youknow, or straightening it or
doing whatever, but I wasn'ttaking the time for me.
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I have to do something, and then eventually
you're going to neglect your own.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's true, but it looks so good, thank you it grew
so much.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Thank you.
Thank you, but yeah, like yousaid, time that was that one
like?
I'm like girl, I know for meit's time.
You know more than anything andI'm not going into it thinking
like I'm protecting a strand.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, you know, like we just, yeah, like, what are we
protecting?
Yeah, I mean, like I I got soone of my clients like girl, her
hair.
I'm like, well, you need to putsome not a protective style,
you need to put some mittens onyour hands because you tearing
it up, that's what it is.
Yeah, like they do so much.
Well, we do so much becauseI've done so much, like, just so
(12:00):
much.
Like you, you feel like everyhair needs to be in place and if
you leave it alone and you findsomething that you're
comfortable with, you know itcan be protective, right, what
are we protecting?
Time?
And we're protecting them fromourselves.
We're protecting it fromourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's right Because, if you notice, I think that's
why that misconception of itbeing protective over
problematic is more a for formost clients, because when, when
it's in those braids, they seethe length retaining and when
it's not in the braids.
They see it breaking, but it'sit's more of like you are the
one that's not taking care of it.
(12:36):
You are the one that's causingit to break because you are not.
You don't know what to do withyour hair.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So in their head it's like oh no, it's protecting my
hair because anytime it's inthese braids yeah, yeah, you
know it's doing great, it'sdoing great and they're like, oh
, you might got a lot of newgrowth, but what about the
outgrowth?
What about you know all theother things?
Yeah, and you know, even withour kids, like my daughter, I'm
like you have to.
When you have your braids andyou have to spray, you have to
(13:01):
moisturize.
It's like what are we?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
protecting Girl, even you're your baby.
What she be doing, girl, shedon't be wanting to listen to
Angel no, no, she's starting tonow.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
She's starting to now Because I gave her that haircut
.
You gave her a haircut, yeah,because it was like you know
that, like when you firststarting to do your hair, the
over manipulation that I wanteverything to be in place.
I'm cute, you know which andthen she has a lot of hair also
she do have a lot of hair whenit went.
She's like I feel like I get ahaircut every time you do yeah
(13:32):
because your hair should be downyour back.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's like so cliche to me when we have
daughters and you know,especially if we are promoting
hair care, and then they go outhere and do this like girl.
You ain't listening to me, sowhy do I expect my class to
listen to me?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
but they do teachers like I know.
She enlightens me like what Ishould talk to my clients about,
like she's a client you knowshe's the client, so what?
She thinks and how she takescare of her hair at home, and
and she's a product junkie aswell and your baby, oh my god,
and I, and she's starting tounlearn.
That too, I'm like, because youknow, it's the internet they
(14:13):
come up like this is this, thisis that.
Did this type of product.
I'm like, if you understand theingredients in the product
which I took time to and yourmom, you have it right on here.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You don't need all that, you don't I'm glad you
brought that up too, about theingredients and the product, how
I feel like that needs to be.
Uh, clients need clients needto be educated on that more than
they do the actual product,because that front part is just
the marketing label.
Yeah, you know it containsvitamin e and it contains aloe
(14:43):
vera, but it's like go look atthem ingredients the ingredients
and then actually how you useit.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
What?
You build off of like this isbuilding off of this.
Is that, that and you knowabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That's where the real education is.
When you want to go shopping forsome products, yeah, and, like
you said, you won't need a wholebeauty supply store if you did
you know, yes, one thing I seeand I also know is like, behind
the chair, you know, mostclients have this misconception
of like the tighter the braid,the better it is, the better,
(15:15):
you know, the longer it lasts,like we just mentioned.
But that tension can be realdamage.
Oh yeah Right, real damage.
Oh yeah Right.
So, like, how do you approachif you ever had to?
How do you approach this tobring awareness for, you know,
black women who have thismisconception that the tighter
the braid, the longer it lasts,but understanding that that's
(15:35):
more of a problematic situation,I just try to educate them on
the end result.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know, I give them the worst case scenario you
know, like the tighter the braid.
Let me, you know, I give themthe worst case scenario.
You know, like they're tired ofthe braid.
Let me, you know, I have themicroscope in the salon.
Let me show you what can'thappen.
Or let me show you somepictures of some you know some
scalps that I've taken.
You know some previous picturesof Right, you know.
So.
This is where they started,this is where they ended.
When you see that white bulb,we do have shedding, we do have
(16:03):
shedding.
You know we go through stagesof shedding.
But when you see consistentwhite bulbs, especially around
your hairline, sometimes that'snot coming back, you know,
(16:30):
sometimes that's not coming back.
And if it doesn't come back andyou feel like you know, the
tighter the braid, the longer itlasts, because you want to get
your money's worth.
You got to understand what it'sgoing to feel like to, you know,
have to go to a dermatologist,have to get steroid shots, have
to, you know, if it comes back,or have to get a surgery, like
some people have to get hairreplacement surgery because of
traction, uh, traction, alopeciatransplants, yes, so I try to
tell them that and educate themon that.
You know, and a lot of times itworks.
But sometimes you know you canlead a horse to water but you
can't make them, you can't makethem drink, girl and it hurts
your heart.
You'd be like I just oh, likeyou can see the end result yes
(16:55):
for them and you, and if they,they come in and I have clients
that come in and they they havebraids, they wear braids most of
the time, so they'll come inlike I want you to shampoo, deep
condition, trim.
You know, give me brave prep,give me a scalp, detox, all the
good things, and I'm gonna goback and braids.
You kind of like wasting yourmoney with me because when you
come back and you, you, yourhair has been up and braids for
(17:16):
three months and this is theonly shampoo that you're getting
.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
This is the only shampoo that you're getting the
shampoo on a regular basis.
This is the only shampooyou're're getting on a regular
basis.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This is the only shampoo you're getting.
So you and I've turned peopledown.
I've told them, like you don'teven have to come and spend your
money with me.
Like you don't have to allmoney I'm, you know how long
we've been doing it All money,not good money.
(17:45):
Like.
I would rather you justcontinue to do what you're doing
and take me out of the mix andsave your money, invest, get
more braids, do something, saveit for a trip than me to see you
coming here and they say whodoes your hair?
I go to beyond beauty.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh, we're not yeah, because then?
Because they're not gonna walkthem through the story of the
neglect, no, you know during thewhole process.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, you know, that is it and they never do, you know
yeah, but sometimes a they know,they know for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like I know, if you've been seeing a
professional regularly versusyou've been in more of a quote,
unquote, problematic Well, wedon't say problematic style.
You know more than anything youcan tell.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know youbacktrack and you really get the
nitty gritty of the history andI also start challenging them
like well, like well, you know,normally I don't see this, yeah
(18:28):
if you're regularly going tosomeone to get your hair done,
you know this looks more likebreakage from braids, you know
uh-huh yeah, but I'm with youthere.
I don't like to be in the mix ofthat either, because then
that's that's your reputation onthe line.
You know where people arelooking at your Instagram like,
well, I don't see that anywhere.
Oh, this is one-to-one shedon't want to show me.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can't got nothing to do withit, because you're always going
to show your best work.
You know, that's just like I'mnot going to put up, not putting
that up?
No, because it that's not apart of my brand, exactly like
it's my.
My name is beyond beauty.
(19:09):
It's beyond you looking good.
It's like I'm deeper than thatI love that man.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's deeper than that .
Yeah, it's all about peoplehave to go.
You have to find thehairstylist or the professional
for whatever needs that you want.
If it's hair care, then you youhave to seek a person.
That's all about hair care, andthat finish will be last you
know, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That's the finished product, is just the icing on
the cake.
All the things that happenedbefore man that's what's
important, you know absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And what about timing ?
How long is too long to keepbraids in before it starts
working against you?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's really loaded as well.
It depends on your hair.
Like we talked about, itdepends on the health of your
hair before you get the braids.
It depends on the thickness ofyour hair.
More finer hair is easier tobreak Even with the color of
your hair.
Some like when you have alighter texture hair, it's just
(20:12):
the layers of your hair aren'tas strong and you don't have as
many layers as someone withdarker, thicker hair.
So it depends on your hair.
Like people ask, like how longit depends.
It really does depend on yourhair.
I say generally no more thansix weeks.
I'm gonna pay this lady thissix weeks in that chair, this
long, like I'm like, yeah, aboutsix weeks, because at that
(20:35):
point you need some protein.
Yeah, you know, and even if youtry to take care of your hair
in braids, you still need thingsthat the braiding hair is gonna
soak up before it gets to yourhair you know, so you need
things in hair and it depends onyour hair strand.
And it's the people that want togo on braids.
Their hair is already damaged.
You probably should keep thoseup for two, Absolutely.
(20:58):
And then I have a lot ofclients that say you shouldn't
get braids at all.
I'm sorry, you should not getbraids at all.
And they're like what I'msupposed to do.
Get braids at all and they'relike what I'm supposed to do I'm
going on vacation, youshouldn't get braids at all.
We can explore other things.
Your hair yeah, try to wearyour hair like, try it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You should try, you should.
But I love that answer becauseit's not a one-size-fits-all,
it's all situational, it's allcircumstantial circumstantial
too.
You know, like you said, youknow it, it just depends on the
hair it really does.
It depends on your hair, itdepends on your.
You know, it just depends onthe hair it really does.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It does.
It depends on your hair, itdepends on your scalp, you know,
it depends on your lifestyle.
It depends on all of thosethings.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So I can't like tell you that.
But that six weeks is like thatsweet spot.
Yeah, that's a sweet spot,right?
Yeah, it sure is.
I'm at six weeks right nowfirst, and then I'll take these
things because of your time.
I was like, I was like dude, no, but yeah, I made six weeks
Saturday.
(21:53):
I was like that podcast Monday.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I was like oh no.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm gonna do this podcast and I'm gonna take them
braids out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm gonna hit that seven week mark but I know my
hair, you know, you know yourhair.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'm hit that seven week mark and then I'll remove
them, but I was like, uh-uh,okay, so beauty over health?
Social media plays such a bigrole.
Now we see these gorgeousstyles that go viral, but the
scalp is suffering behind thescenes.
Do you think we're learningmore into I mean not learning,
(22:23):
but leaning more into aestheticsthan actual integrity of the
hair?
The hair is health.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yes, I really do, Because Instagram and all the
TikToks and Snapchat, that isall about aesthetics, you know,
you see, it's all aboutaesthetics.
Like we spoke on before, we'renot going to show you our worst
day or us waking up with ouredges frizzy.
You know, we're not.
We're not doing that, so we'renot going to show you our worst
day or us waking up with ouredges frizzy, you know we're not
.
We're not doing that.
(22:50):
So it's that vulnerable.
No, we're not that vulnerable.
So it's like, especially withthe younger girls coming up.
You know they came up withsocial media, they came up with
having to be perfect, they cameup with the filters and all
these kind of these things.
So you know they are leaningmore towards aesthetic.
Like I'm I have to be on allthe time.
Like I have to be on all thetime because everybody else on
(23:11):
and when you lay down and youscroll and you feel like
everybody where you've seen themis where they left off.
If you've seen them lookingbeautiful on the beach, you feel
like I'm going to sleep.
But she's still standing upbeautiful on the beach it's not.
It's not an illusion, it's suchan illusion, and not even just
with the braids.
It's with these lace front wigs, honey, like they have to be
laid.
(23:31):
You see every lace front wiglaid flat on your edges with the
glue.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, you know so, and only can you imagine what
that's going to do.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh, I know what it's going to do Because I have
people that come to me and theyhave lace fronts.
Well, they've been wearing lacefronts.
You know I don't do them, butthey come and they're like I
want to do.
I've never had a client that isinconsistent lace fronts where
their hair is healthy at all.
Not one person.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's always all broke off around the edges and then
the rest of the hair looks sogood, right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, it's like it's either good or bad, it's like
your edges broke off, always100%, yeah.
And then your hair is full backhere yeah, so I'm having to do a
comb over, or it's like it'sbroke off back there, because
some people are like I don'twant to cut it, you don't even
wear your hair, so why are weholding on to what?
(24:23):
You don't wear it at all?
No, like you don't wear it atall and they'll come in for like
a silk press or something Irefuse or I'll do it, and
they're like how long it's gonnalast?
It's not gonna last that longbaby I just wanted to give you a
good hair.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Why it's not gonna last?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
because because your hair, the your layers of your
hair, is so broken down and it'sso split to where, even if it's
split and I trim your splitends that that hair that's split
and that one, the the left,it's like a twix you know you
got the left and you got theright.
So if they split, you know theybetter together.
But if that left split off andthis is dangling and lifeless,
(24:57):
then that's it's not gonna it'snot.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's not moving left to right, it's just it's not
gonna last and then, and if theyalso keep these wigs,
installing these braids andstuff for long periods of time,
you're not getting no hydration,no hydration.
So as soon as you hit theoutdoors that moist your hair
gonna be like yes, right give methat voice and then this ain't
(25:23):
no, your hair is pooping up, youknow because it's wanting all
the moisture.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, that it can get from anywhere.
It's like cough, it's like, andit is Say I'm wrong, knitra,
I'm not wrong.
Huh, somebody cough?
No for real.
No for real, anything, anything.
It's like it's just dying.
(25:47):
No for real, anything, anything.
It's like it's just dying.
Yeah, and then here we go onsaying that Angel did my hair
and it didn't last.
No for real.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I know I feel like, oh my goodness, like we have to
start taking accountability,yeah.
This is not necessarily yourhair not lasting because you
didn't get a good silk print.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Because here's the thing we always talk about
healthy hair journeys.
It's like you want healthy hair, but you don't want the journey
part it's a journey.
It's like healthy hair journey.
It's a journey people use.
I'm on my healthy hair journey,but you're not, but you're not.
You want to go fast, but you'renot.
If you haven't taken care ofyour hair for years, it take a
(26:27):
long time for your hair to growout from the the scalp to your
chin right.
You know, like that's years,that's a healthy head of hair,
so people like how long?
Consistently how long it'sgonna take years.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So if you don't have time, you you on the sprint,
honey, you ain't on no journey.
You're not on a journey, honey,you ain't on no journey here
you not on no journey, you notman.
But those are facts.
And you know what I also see isyears of neglect, thinking one
hair appointment is going to fixit, honey.
It's going to take years to fixit.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It takes years to fix it.
Just as much you put into it, ittakes years to fix it and a lot
of it is irreversible.
You have to cut, and I tellclients that when they come,
especially their firstappointment, I'm like, okay,
here's where we are, you seethrough.
Even though you see through thearea and that's what we're
going to cut off, it's stillsome damage up the hair shaft.
Sure is Up the hair shaft.
(27:18):
So we still have to grow cut,grow cut, grow cut.
You might be at a bob lengthfor a year or so.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Because we growing and cutting, and we growing and
cutting, but I promise you it'sworth it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It is.
It's so worth it.
It is, and I love to get theclients that just trust your
word and move forward or dowhatever Right and you actually
see them with results faster youdo.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You really do, you know, opposed to the ones who
are just so hesitant to justmove forward with the treatment
you know, yeah, you do yeah youget those clients that come and
you know they're not coming back.
Girl, you know they're notcoming back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But sometimes you get the clients and girl, they come
back.
You think they're not comingback and they come back and I'm
like I didn't even document thisbecause I didn't think she was
coming back.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I didn't think she was coming back.
Right, they ain't coming back,no, or they're there and they'd
say like 20 words the wholeappointment, which I'm fine with
you remember I got my TV Fivepeople a day.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
you get exhausted.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, I do three people a day.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Good good.
Just three people a day, youserious.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And then they keep coming back to you like I can't
even document this.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So mad at myself.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Especially too like I had a client when she first
came to me.
She actually came for a bridaltrial, but I didn't do the
bridal trial because her hairwas too broke.
I said let's just take care ofyour hair this appointment and
you come back and we'll do thebridal trial.
So we cut it and we cut into abob because it was broke off in
that little neck area.
Okay, so we cut into a shortbob and over the years it has
(28:54):
grown.
But she can't see it.
Yeah, they can't.
And I was like I hate I didn'tdocument this but I also thought
, since she initially booked forme to do a hair for the wedding
I was like she ain't comingback.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know I'm gonna cut this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This is a good, healthy start for her she will
do the hair for the wedding andthat'll be it.
But she kept coming back, sothen her hair grew about, maybe
past a little past her shoulders, but she has really fine hair
okay.
And, um, that's another thing Ihate about social media because
, uh, a lot of uh content thatgets pushed is more of girls
(29:28):
with like thick yeah, you knowthat real low density hair yeah
and we are thinking if we growour hair?
Maybe the thickness is gonnacome with it.
That's not always, that's noteverybody's hair, it's not so
she don't see, uh, she don't seelength or fullness, so I was
helping her, you know.
So we went back to like onepicture I showed her you know,
(29:50):
whenever we first started uh-huhthank god I had that picture
because I was just showing herthe breakage yeah, yeah, see,
yeah but still, just because itwasn't where she think it should
be, she could not evenappreciate it.
I'm like y'all have toappreciate the process too, yeah
, and the progress.
You have to appreciate theprocess too.
And the progress.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You have to appreciate the process, the
progress, and you have toappreciate what God gave you
coming from your head.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, because it's not everybody's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's not everybody don't have full thick hair.
That don't mean it's notbeautiful hair.
That don't mean we can'texplore styles that's going to
make it appear to be thicker orstyles that's going to make you
feel good about your hair.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But it's everybody don't have that, you know, and
it's okay, it is.
I feel like be happy, you haveit.
I have clients that sit in mychair.
They have scarring hair loss.
Girl, they would trade headswith you right now every all the
.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I say that especially people like my edges.
Baby, if you got some, I knowsome people that don't have and
they're not coming back, which Imean, and I have people that
don't have as, and they okaywith it.
They like this is what I did,this is where I'm at, you know.
So we gonna do this and Isuggest different stuff, like a
middle part or something, andthey okay it's like it's all
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about, you know, accepting whatyou have that's right and
building off of that yeah,absolutely, girl.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, so let's talk about the scalp.
That's the foundation and oftenit gets neglected in braided
styles.
What do you recommend forprepping the scalp before braids
and keeping it healthy whileit's in the long-term hairstyle?
A scalp?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
detox for sure.
You know those oils that comeout of our scalp.
We have to lift all that upbefore we even get the braids.
You know some people they do abasic shampoo and then you know
they like my scalp is, and youknow how a lot of braiders do
they have their.
What is it?
The edge control?
What do they?
Put on that edge control yeah,they slap it on your scalp.
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So you doomed, they layered toogirl.
You said you doomed.
It's like we putting it onthick.
Yeah, you doomed.
You doomed Angel, because whereit's going, you know our curly
girls.
The product come from here andit's like a maze to get down to
the end.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
That's why our hair is dry, man.
That's why it's dry.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So if you put that edge control right on your scalp
and a lot of it.
It don't have nowhere to travelto, so it's only going to
travel to that base of yourbraid.
It's going to give you thatknot with all that product.
It's going to break your hairoff right there or it's going to
sit on your scalp.
So you have to give yourself afair start with a scalp detox.
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You know, to get whatever theailments in the air and
impurities and stuff that wecan't see with the eye, that we
can see under a microscope, soyou have to give that good scalp
detox.
And you know, during while youhave your braids in, you have to
do something to it.
You know you can't justconsistently put bright spray or
oil on it.
You know you can't do that, soyou have or oil on it.
You know you can't do that, soyou have to either shampoo.
Sometimes I have tell clientsokay, if you don't want to fully
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shampoo, you can wet a towel,wipe it.
Put a wet towel, put a littlesomething on it and wipe your
scalp.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We got to do something to it, and then
shampooing your braids.
A lot of people don't like to dothat because it causes the
frizz and you know stuff likethat and it takes a while to dry
, you know.
So they don't want to do that,but that's a good thing too.
And that's that aesthetic overhealth.
Yes, yeah, that aesthetic overhealth.
Yeah, I know, I saw a girl onTikTok.
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She made a post and she saidshe didn't say anything, it was
just captioned and she wasshowing her braids and she was
like um, I make sure to shampoomy uh scalp and my braids as
soon as the braider is done.
The girl you should saw themcomments.
It was like what, you spend allthat money, I'm gonna make them
frizzy again and and and thefunny thing is I literally said
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when I got these braids, I saidthe next time I get some braids,
I'm shampooing my hair rightafter she's done, if I got the,
if I have the energy, or thenext day, because I just want
all that product off my scalp,you know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And whenever I did shampoo my hair with these
braids, it was just lighter like, yeah, you know, and it's
refreshing, yes, it's sorefreshing when you do it you're
like, yeah, man, that felt good, you know, and it's just they
have.
And I understand why they use alot of product, because I don't
want to, like, bash thebraiders.
I used to braid, I braid.
I started braiding before Istarted doing natural hair or
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hair period.
I was a braider right, so Iunderstand why they use it to
get all that hair in there andthen to braid it and the
longevity, but it's like it, it,but that's before.
I learned too, you know that'sbefore I was educated on the
hair strand before I went tocosmetology school before I was
educated on the scalp and allthat stuff.
So you know I understand, butin a another sense now it's not
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helping us either, no, no, and Iusually don't leave mine up
long enough to wash it.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'm sometimes I'll do four weeks and they out.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know, that was me that was me, because my um, my
hair used to get tender aroundthe edges, you know.
So it's like me pushing them tothe side or pulling them up and
it was heavy and I would getheadaches as well.
So I'm like I can't keep themup that long.
And it wasn't my new growth.
Like people, like my new girl,my, the texture of my hair, my
braids will slide anyway.
(35:15):
So it's not new growth, it'sjust sliding down.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, you have that really soft texture.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It's really hard to grip.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
And even then, you know, know,I feel like four weeks was still
too long to go without anywater on my scalp.
You know, now that I'm gettingmore into learning about you
know, I don't wear braids a lot,so I'm trying to, you know, not
trying, but I was like stuck inthat space of well, I don't
wear them a lot, so I don't haveto really shampoo my hair.
But I'm like, no, you need toshampoo that stuff at least
every two weeks because thatscalp just need that water.
(35:49):
But this time I was like I'mjust gonna shampoo it right
after she done because just toreceive, you know or lift up all
of that build up, yeah, youknow, off of my scalp.
And then the braids got lighterand, uh, I don't.
I feel like I think I washed myhair week three with these.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It didn't have a lot of frizz, I just used some
Nairobi mousse and just moldedit down and put a wave cap on it
and set it in the dryer.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I tell them yeah, and it was cool, but that girl
received a lot of backlash inthose comments.
Like girl, I would never Likeyou spend all that money and
then you're going to wash yourhair, right?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
after she's done with it.
And who does that you spend allthat money on and this is what
baps me you spend all that moneyon weave and braids but, you
will not spend money on yourhair like it just really like
like.
I'm not spending all that moneyon no natural style baby, like
for real.
You're not gonna all that moneyon no natural style Baby, like
for real.
You're not going to spend nomoney on you getting the scalp
(36:52):
detox.
So this is what I do Scalpdetox.
I'm clarifying your hair.
I'm giving you a whole pecsrebonding treatment.
You know, now I'm puttingmoisture back into your hair.
Now I'm giving you a deepcondition or protein treatment,
moisturizing treatment, whatevertreatment I feel is necessary
for you.
Then we detangling at the bowl,we massaging, and then we get
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up, we blowing, we trimming.
You ain't going to take care ofyourself.
You're not going to do that allfor yourself, but you will spend
all this money on these wigsand braids and stuff Something
that's not even a part of you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
You're okay with investing in a foreign object,
but the, you know, but the hairthat's on your head.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You don't want to take the time to invest in that
they don't take the time,because they take it out and
they put it back in.
They don't even want to seetheir self without the braids
and the hair.
Like they don't.
It's man, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's true.
I definitely have a few likethat, or had a few like that,
where they just I had one client.
She first came to me and I don'tthink she ever received a trim
just based on how her hair wasjust breaking you know, it was
like sick at the roots but justfine and limp everywhere else
and it just looked like neverhad a cut, you know, and um, so
we cut it into like one littleugly 90 degree haircuts, you
know.
And she's like I, oh, I wantwaist-length hair.
I want you to grow it down tomy waist.
(38:11):
I said you know, with time andyou know consistency, we might
can get there.
I was like, but baby, you'regoing to have to be patient.
That's a lot of pressure on me.
You're going to have to bepatient.
Okay, that's like like eightyears.
You know, like, come on, let'sbe honest.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
You're like, I take care of my hair and it's not a
wasteland.
I'm like girl Sometimes youcan't get that hair you just you
know.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I was like we gonna see, you know.
So, girl, we cut it and it grew.
You know she kept coming backbut she did not want to touch
her hair, so it was more likeI'm coming in just for you to.
It was it was, uh, we was doing, um, hair extensions so she
would come in do the weavemaintenances.
That was a good thing about her.
She stayed on top of theappointment so she did see
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results.
Because of that, we got herdown to probably at the bottom
of her bra.
Yeah, because she had that hairthat could grow yeah, you know
yeah, and you could tell youknow tell.
Like you could probably getthere.
Yeah, you'd be like, probably,maybe bra lanes, yeah, uh-huh
and so, but she got pregnant.
Oh yeah, she went back toHouston to let her and her
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husband live with her mom whileher house was getting built in
Austin.
When she came back, her wasbroke off.
Don't that start all over again.
Oh, it broke my heart, got itback growing.
I didn't see her for like sixmonths, came back, broke off
again.
I'm telling you, we grew it tothe same length at least four
times.
The last time I saw her it wasup here to her neck, like I had
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to cut it all off, yeah.
And so I'd be like, if you keepcoming, if you stay consistent,
you could actually see someresults.
Yeah, but it came to this pointwhere it was like, well, my
silk press is on last and I waslike but you don't wear your
hair, you don't.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You know, you don't wash it and they say, like you
can heat train it.
It's really not heat training,it's you getting the proper
products and you're getting itproperly done and you're taking
care of it.
I was on Instagram and I seen alady a post.
She was like I don't understandwhy y'all do all these
hydrating treatments, all this,and then y'all going to blow out
their hair and y'all going tosuppress it.
(40:18):
Y'all just wasting time, Y'alljust messing.
I said you know I stay out ofthe comments because we can go
all night, you know, but I'mlike you have to prep that hair,
you have to hydrate that hairin order for things to work.
Like you are building upstrength to for it to withstand
the things that you're going todo to it like.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But y'all know more than me I feel like it's the you
know not to knock theinfluencers.
I feel like they just have moreum mind control, yeah, over,
you know, the consumers than wedo, you know, and just have more
mind control over you know theconsumers than we do, you know,
and they have more mind controlbecause we say it takes time.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
you know, we want to be real about it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And some people want that beautiful lie, not the ugly
truth.
You know it's like.
This is just what.
If you listen to what I'm, youknow, informing you on what to
do, I promise you the reason whyyou keep coming back is because
you are listening to thatinfluencer.
The reason why you don't see noresults is because you were
listening to the influencer.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And there's so many influences, you don't know what
to do because nobody's reallylooking at your hair.
You're not sitting in anyone'schair and they're saying okay,
your hair is finer.
I see that you don't have asmany layers as the next, so
we're going to have to do this,that and that they don't come up
with a plan for you, so youcan't be out there on the
internet just while just swayingwith the wind.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, because you won't be buying.
No, you won't.
But if that's what you want,you know, never run with that
either.
Uh-huh Right, this is all aboutthe gold, you know, at the end
of the day Are.
So, you know, at the end of theday, are there any treatments
you swear by for your clientsthat keep their scalp in good
condition?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I have a few.
I was doing Wonder Crown withMizani, which I like that.
I do like that it's a moreoil-based.
So you know, oil lifts oil.
So with my oilier client, Ilike that.
I've been dabbling in Amika'spreset, their charcoal scalp
detox.
I like that because it's lightand I like that they have a lot
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of natural products like cleanproducts.
I've been liking Amika lately.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's expensive as hell, but I like it.
It sure is, even for theprofessionals Girl, for the
professionals.
God bless the consumers.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I went in there and I'm like you know, I'm racking
them.
They like forfeit, I'm likewait a minute.
What it's expensive, let me getthe trial sizes, and I do.
I like the full line of bylaws,I like they clean.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yes, I like the full.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yes, I love their scalp sink.
I love that so, like with myclients that really have just
scalp issues and you know, likeif I do a pre-poo and they sit
in the chair, then I'm going inwith my scalp sink each time.
Yes, indeed, I love that it'sso gentle too, right it's so
gentle, it's so non-stripping,it's so not perfumey you know
(43:05):
you got some good sense, butit's not like you didn't drop
your versace in there in a wholebottle, right?
Speaker 1 (43:13):
no, because a lot of people aren't aware that
fragrance sometimes is evenharmful, you know?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
on the hair, I mean on the scalp yeah, especially if
you you're very sensitive yeahyou know.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
so you want to kind of sometimes find a product
that's very light, yeah, verylight.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Smelling or it's fragrance free, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So that's right girl.
But yeah, biolage, theydefinitely stepped it up.
They did Whenever they came outwith that scalp spray yeah they
did, they did yeah.
And, like you say, it's sogentle, but it does the job.
It does the job you wouldn'teven think that it would do so
great because it's so gentleright, Because we used to stuff
like tea tree oils and all thatproduct which I still.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
you know, if I want to do a good scalp strip, I hit
that tea tree but, like you,with that, Biolize, you like, ok
, this is some light stuff.
It's really going to do the jobbecause you know, but it does
the job.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I've been liking it.
I love it.
I also want to touch on scarand hair loss, traction,
alopecia and CCC, ccca.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I don't see, I know.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
For example, these often come from repeated stress
and ignoring early signs.
What are some red flags peopleoverlook when their scalp or
hair is trying to communicatesomething?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I see, I know, Just like smell.
Sometimes you can smell whenyour scalp needs some attention.
You can you catch that early.
You can get the treatments, youcan get the steroids, you can
(44:58):
get the vitamin D, you can getall those things to stop it,
Because most of the time CCCA isgenetic right.
It's like your grandmother hadit, your mom had it.
So if you catch it then and yougo to a dermatologist, they can
catch it then.
But you have to, like someonehas to be above your head to see
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that you know.
But if it starts to spread,then sometimes you can't do
nothing about it.
You can only, you can onlytreat what you have, right.
So, catching those signs earlyand then most of the time you
know it's like itchy or it'sinflamed or you know, like those
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type of you may see some littlered bumps, you know things like
that.
So if you catch that early, youhave to catch the CCCA early.
You have to, that's right, youhave to.
And with the traction alopecia,you know, like we spoke on those
bulbs that you see.
You know those white bulbs thatyou see over and over, like
back to back, when you get thosebraids, or you getting those
wigs, or you know you have tostop.
There's nothing else to do withthat, but just stop, just stop.
(46:02):
You know, and I talk like whenI have my wig clients, they like
, well, I just put my wig on.
I'm like, do you sleep in it?
Yeah, I'm like so would you puta rubber band around your waist,
around your wrist and sleepingthat all night what you think
that's gonna do to your hand,cutting off all types of blood
flow, blood flow and you needblood flow to grow your hair.
Yeah, you know those hairfollicles.
They mean they gotta, they.
(46:24):
It's a whole function.
It's a science behind it, sure,and blood flow is.
It starts, you know, cuttingoff all the oxygen, all the
oxygen, all the blood flow andall you don't get no sunlight,
nothing, no, nothing, no,nothing.
So yeah, you got to payattention to that, Like if you
see, like those hair bulbs, oryou taking, you combing it and
(46:45):
you combing and his hair comingout, stop.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
You know, just stop, yeah, and those are some really
great early signs.
Those are like the first signsright there, like you said,
those bulbs one that itchy.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah uh flame the uh inflamed.
Oh my goodness, those are thefirst ones when you start
itching out of control.
Yes, that's a sign that yourscalp is stressed yes, and it's
getting ready to release thatfollicles you have that your
face, girl.
I'm like mm-hmm At the crownonce those follicles start to
close, it's like you and it'sjust, it's closing off.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Closing off them.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Food in the chokehold , mm-hmm and it's like that,
like that CCCA, you can reverseit or keep it where it is, you
know, keep it stagnant.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
But you that's.
That's beyond our chair it sureis.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
You know you have to go to a dermatologist.
Yes, yeah, yeah, and I do referthem.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
We're usually like those front line, though Like
they always come to us firstBecause I don't even know.
If they know this is moremedical than it is anything,
it's beyond what I can do, youknow, girl.
And when clients come in afteryears of braiding without proper
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care, how do you help them?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
begin with that healing process.
It's.
It's refreshing that you sayhealing, because it is a healing
process and it's deeper thanjust healing their hair.
It's so much deeper because,like when they have, when they
have the braids back to back,you have to change their whole
mindset on their hair andthemselves.
Like you have to, like, try tofind different styles that makes
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them comfortable withoutwearing braids.
You know so it's like you haveto come up with a plan with
their hair, but you also have tocome up with a relationship.
Well, build a relationship withthem so that they can trust you
right and so that you can makethem feel good about wearing
their own hair.
You know, because I can come upwith this plan and we can.
(48:48):
Okay, I can say you can dotwo-string twists or you know,
but your two-string twists arenot going to look like you want
them to look today.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Mm-hmm, you know, or your two-string twist are not
going to look like you want themto look.
Today, mm-hmm, you know.
Or tomorrow, no, or in a monthor two or six, no, that's right,
you know, it's not going to dothat.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
So how can I help you along this journey?
Right, how can I help you alongthis journey but still keep
your hair on track, but teachyou and heal you to love
yourself through this all you?
Speaker 1 (49:18):
know, know, because it's that.
It's so much of that like Ifeel, so anything right it's
like you.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
You have to change your mindset and you have to be
okay with not doing the thingsthat you've been doing to your
hair.
And we're gonna heal your hairin this process, yeah, but, like
you, like we said, it's healingyou too and I'm sympathetic
with it and I try to do it withlove.
You know, we joke and we playand we see the stuff online and
I repost.
But at the end of the day,these women come in and they and
(49:42):
I'm in a small suite and it'sjust us.
People cry, people say I can'twear my hair like this.
What my husband gonna think?
You know, I'm in corporate.
I can't do this style.
You know what am I gonna do?
It's, it's real it's like it'sso real.
It's a whole healing process anda journey from within.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, for sure.
And that when you mentioned youonly take three clients a day.
That's why you can only takethree clients a day, because
it's not just me physically andpractically doing your hair, no,
it's more than that, yeah, I'mlike nurturing you to love
yourself, you know like you said, through the process it's a lot
yeah, because you know, kanisha, I was doing, I was adding hair
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to twist.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I stopped doing that.
I was doing micro links andsew-ins I stopped doing that so
I still have some clients fromthat.
Right, you know, I still haveclients from when I was adding
hair to their twist and theylike you're not doing that, no
more, I'm not.
So we're just gonna do thesethis, these flat twists, and
you're twisting the frontwithout hair.
Yeah, I don't know if I can dothat well, let's try, you know,
because and I tell them my why Istopped and then, like the
(50:43):
micro inclines, baby, they hateme.
I lost them because we doing theponytail you can flip it up,
you can do it down, you can talkto the versatility man.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
They and they are cute, though they're beautiful.
Yeah, that's a hard one toleave about doing that over and,
over and over again.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, you know, because they say you got to have
a certain thickness orcertainness.
But it's like I'm clamping thisand I'm I know I'm suffocating
your hair but I'm thinking okay,you know this.
Is they telling me that it'snot going to break the hair?
I'm trying it, I'm doing it,and it's money, baby it sure is.
One of them a day.
You can go home.
You go home, go home, go and go.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Go, and go you dropped it.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And then girl, and then I'm like I'm not doing that
, no more.
Good, I'm like what?
Because it's like I reallyreally care about the hair.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Like you know, people say they care and they may do,
but I know for a fact that thisis a God-given gift and I really
care.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, for sure.
And it's so many people outhere that don't.
You know, they literally don'tas professionals, they just
don't you know, which is why,when they come to see people
like me and you girl, like yousaid, we have to really build
and gain their trust.
You know, it's really hard toget them to like really you know
(52:04):
, see what we can do, becausethey've been misled so much in
the past and it's always somehair horror story.
So when they finally come seeme and you girl, we dealing with
a whole situation, a wholesituation, a whole situation.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
you can it's it's two , it's a twofold, like we're
dealing with a whole situation.
But I get more clients, nowthat I've um rebranded myself
and um, you know, gain moreconfidence in what I'm doing.
I get.
I attract more clients.
That's refreshed when they comein.
Now I really do, like the newclients that I've been accepting
(52:39):
, they're refreshed and they'relike okay, okay, like you on
time, all right, and if you'renot, you're giving me a courtesy
call, what's that, you know?
Or you coming in and it's cleanand it's smelling good and it's
you know, oh, and I have itwhere you don't have to pick a
treatment.
I'm treatment based.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
so they like that's right your whole um, that's
right, that's how it alwaysshould be, that's how I feel,
and I was like well, I didn'tfeel, I feel like that, but I
feel like they should alwayspick a treatment so I'm like
y'all not picking nothing.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
How can I restructure this to where it's all embedded
into your service?
Like every service is comingwith a treatment.
Your price is included and thetreatment going to cost you, but
it's all included.
So you get on there.
You click, twist, you'regetting a steam treatment.
You're getting the treatmentsthat you need Just do it anyways
.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Or even when I know some of my clients, they will
say, like I don't know what topick.
I'm like, just pick anythingand I'm just going to analyze
your hair when you get here and,based on what I see, I'm going
to recommend the treatment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I would tell them to do that also, but then they just
wasn't picking at all Like goon with it, ain't that?
Style Uh-huh yeah, uh-huh yeah,that was just not paying.
I'm like you know well, let mejust put it in getting a silk
press.
You need, you need, you needsome treatments to build it up.
If you're getting twists, weknow you're gonna leave them in
for a couple weeks or so, so youneed some treatments.
(53:59):
You know, if you're gettingeverything that you're getting
with natural hair, you need somesort of treatment.
Right, you do.
I just feel like you do.
You might not need proteinbecause you can over protein
someone hair, but you needsomething yep, absolutely, a,
absolutely A protein overload.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
That was one that ooh , what is it?
The Apogee Everybody was doingApogee, that's some strong stuff
.
That's because of YouTube, theinfluencers, like you know, they
mean, well, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Like.
You don't need to be havingthat stuff at home with your
hair brick hard.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Girl, I mean you saying that dryer.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I remember in my early days I sat this lady under
the dryer with that Apogee onthere.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
When it dried she was stuck to the back of the dryer
it's sticky too, it's sticky andooh, it fuses to whatever it's
it sure does, it will stick onyour neck.
You gotta make sure they alllayered up to the neck and it
stinks so bad.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Lord Jesus man oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Before we wrap up, I want to ask you this what's
something you wish every clientknew before they sat in your
chair?
Speaker 2 (55:09):
That I truly understand that natural hair
isn't easy and that if, when yousit in my chair, that I'm truly
invested in partnering with youto get you to where you want to
be and where you need to be, um, and I just understand it's not
easy.
I'm not the stylist that sayall you got to do is you know,
all you got to do is all yougotta do.
(55:29):
No, because I had natural hair.
I had natural hair, so I'm inthe shower, I'm just doing the
things you know.
It's step one like a wash andgo.
It ain't no wash and go, it's awash.
Girl, I stopped doing wash andgoes.
Also, I don't do those anymore.
I'm like girl no, I'm not doingthat.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
But I just know no, no such thing just know that.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
I know that it's not easy and I'll meet you where you
are.
I'll meet you where you are now.
I'm gonna tell you the truthand I'm gonna be honest but I'll
meet you where you are.
I'll meet you where you are.
Now I'm going to tell you thetruth and I'm going to be honest
, but I will meet you where youare.
Well, we will come up with aplan, but I know it's a journey
and I know it's not easy.
You know, and you know just,partnership with people.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
It's really collaborative.
It is.
It's so collaborative when wedecide we're going to lock in on
a hair journey.
We collaborate.
You know I'm you know bettingon you to show up at your
appointments and you betting onme to get your hair goals
whatever that may be, you know,and I feel like if we looked at
it more like we're collaborating, the journey could be so much
(56:29):
more healthier.
I ain't going to say it's goingto be easy, I mean, but it'll
be healthier for your hair.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
But it's worth it.
What's worth having?
That is easy.
Nothing came easy.
That was really worth havingand if it came, so easy?
You should question itabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, that's those effects.
Nothing in life worth having iseasy at all well, thank you,
angel, for extending your timeand sharing your expertise and
your knowledge with us today.
If you would like for ourlisteners to connect with you,
please shout out your socialmedia networks, your website
(57:05):
information and also how to bookyou um, I am.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
My website is wwwbeyondbeautyhaircom and you
can actually book from thewebsite and then on social media
.
On social media.
I'm beyondbeauty on Instagram.
That's all I got right now.
Good for you.
(57:30):
I get so overwhelmed with agirl, so that's all I have is
Instagram and my website, girl.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I've been doing fine.
I'm really trying to figure outwhich one I'm letting go.
I'm like, is it going to beTikTok or is it going to be
Instagram?
But I'm letting one of them go.
I don't know which one is goingto be.
I feel like you do so good.
I don't know Like I getoverwhelmed too, all those
different social medias, youknow.
that's why sometimes I will goghost and don't post because I'm
tired you know, but people whoare more consistent, they have
(58:00):
like one and I feel like if youfocus on one, that one's going
to grow.
Yeah, but when you're trying tofigure out the algorithm for
this one, figure out thealgorithm for that one.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, you're just like bouncing back and forth.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
You're all over the place, and then you can never
really grow your following, groweven the channel that you are,
you know, operating on, becauseyou just it's too much at one
time yeah so.
I'm more active on Instagramthan TikTok.
Okay, yeah, but no, it's a lot.
I don't care what it look like,it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I'm glad I'm making it look good Right you do, but
it is very hard.
I be looking at your stuff andI lay down like, ooh, she did
good, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
And I like it all though Don't get me wrong, I
like creating the content.
I love being behind the chair,but it was just too much.
I was like I got to picksomething and just stick with it
because I'm getting old, I'mgetting old, I'm getting tired
and I just don't have time forthis.
Yeah, you know, you know we gotour families.
Yeah, and I'm like I want to bemore intentional there too.
(59:01):
Yeah, not just with my face inthis phone all the time.
Yeah, you know, because that'swhat it's gonna become if you
keep opening up a new account,because now they got lemon eight
, because they were gonna shutdown tiktok.
I don't know if you heard oflemon eight, so then then
Lemonade was promoting on TikTok.
Like, open up a Lemonadeaccount if they're going to
close down.
I was like I ain't doing that,I'm not doing that.
This is it for me, because I'mtrying to get rid of one of you.
(59:23):
All these relationships, it'stoo much.
And then you're just sharingthe same stuff across the
different platforms.
So why Then you got to reply topeople?
And don't get me wrong, I lovethat part, but not when I'm
doing it on both platforms.
Yeah, so that was such apowerful and much needed
conversation.
(59:44):
Huge thank you to AngelHenderson for joining me and
sharing her insight on what itreally means to protect your
hair, especially in the world ofbraids.
If you've been dealing withbreakage, scalp irritation or
you're just trying to do betterby your hair, I hope this
episode gave you clarity andconfidence to make choices that
support your hair journey, notset it back.
Make sure to follow Angel andconnect with her work.
(01:00:05):
She's the real deal and, asalways, thank you for tuning in
to Hair what I'm Saying.
If this episode resonated withyou, share it with a friend,
drop a review and let's keepthis conversation going Until
next time.
Keep loving on you and I'llcatch you on the next episode.
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