April 2, 2025 • 33 mins
What drives your daily decisions and shapes who you become? In this soul-searching episode, we unpack how our core values form the foundation of everything from marriage commitments to career choices to leadership styles.
Chuck, Luke, and John share personal stories about values they've inherited from family and those they've developed through experience. Luke reveals how "competency" became his north star thanks to his father's influence, while Chuck describes his lifelong commitment to a 75-year marriage as a value that requires forgiveness and communication. The conversation takes a fascinating turn when we explore the difference between living your values visibly versus imposing them on others.
We discover that authentic values aren't just abstract concepts but show up in our daily rhythms, traditions, and habits. Learning emerges as a lifelong commitment—as Luke notes, "if I didn't learn something today, I wasted time." Other core values like integrity, service, passion, and authenticity become touchpoints for examining how we influence those around us and the organizations we lead.
The most comforting realization? Our relationship with our values ebbs and flows throughout life. Sometimes we lose sight of them only to rediscover their importance later. Join us for this meaningful exploration of what makes life worth living—and how to build a legacy that reflects what matters most.
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John (00:00):
Welcome back to Half Century Hangout.
We're hanging out here withChuck and Luke.
How are things going this week?
Luke (00:08):
Just getting ready to have a little vacay, you know, a
little spring break.
John (00:13):
John, do you have anything going on for spring break?
For spring break, you know, I'mgoing to be spending a lot of
time with my family and workingat home.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not goinganywhere necessarily, but I've
got a lot of appointments andyou know, just just hanging out
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at home with with the family.
Chuck (00:35):
So late 50s is maybe a little different than early 50s,
so you're just waiting andstacking up those doctor's
appointments.
Is that what you're saying?
Luke (00:41):
Yeah, I was going to mention that, like are these
those appointments?
Chuck (00:45):
Like I appreciate that I didn't want to know which one he
was going to.
Luke, you know what I'venoticed something about, john.
I don't know if you've noticedit or not, but when I get a
little dig in, he always saysthanks, he does.
John (01:00):
Thanks, thanks so much.
Yes, I do.
Luke (01:03):
Well, you know you gotta say thanks, right, that's all.
Chuck (01:07):
But yes, it's super fun, yeah definitely.
Luke (01:11):
When he said appointments, I was like well, you know, yeah
and just to just to tag ontothat.
You know I am spending timewith my family there too.
We're going down in my daughterand son and I'll live down
there.
My wife's down there already,so I'm meeting her down and I
have to get a few listens of thelive down there.
My wife's down there already,so I'm meeting her down.
Chuck (01:25):
Have to get a few listens of the podcast down there, oh
yeah.
Luke (01:28):
There's a few down there.
I'm probably going to take alittle bit of our swag with and
I'm going to try to sneak itinto my suitcase and give them
one down there.
John (01:37):
Are you going to the beach ?
Oh yeah, I'll be at the beachno-transcript.
Luke (01:53):
I was thinking about it, but you know what, chuck, I
can't live up to you in thatJeep thing.
I can't do it, that's all right.
I've never been able, althoughit was pretty cool on St
Patrick's Day.
You know that their insigniawith the grill lines.
It said beer instead of Jeep.
Chuck (02:08):
It was kind of fun.
Luke (02:09):
I thought it was a pretty cool shirt.
Chuck (02:11):
We're doing some renovation at my house.
Awesome, in our bedroom we'regoing to tear out a closet and
put a new closet in and kind ofmake it a little more usable.
It's just a lot of wasted space.
We don't't have a huge bedroom,and so we want to utilize all
the space we can in that spot,and that's what we're going to
do.
So my wife and I we've designeda little closet system that
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we're going to make and be ableto make the space worth
something that is awesome I willbe thinking about you yes, on
with the hammer in your hand asyou're on the beach.
Luke (02:44):
As I'm on the beach, are you?
Chuck (02:45):
going to set up a signing table down there for all the
fans that we have to get yourautograph.
Luke (02:49):
I wasn't planning on it.
I feel like I'd be one of thoseguys sitting there, like at the
table, like looking around.
People would be like who's?
Chuck (02:57):
this clown.
I'm like I don't know.
Somebody told me I should dothis, so here I am.
John (03:03):
And I'm volunteering on top of it.
Somebody on some podcast toldme to sit on the beach and get
my autograph out.
Luke (03:11):
Although, it is funny, I didn't till today.
I've never really had thisconversation.
I had a conversation with someother guys and I was amazed at
how many so there was, how manyof us were sitting there.
I was at a meeting and we hadnine guys there.
Nine guys there and out of thenine guys, like seven of them
won't step foot in the oceanwhat the heck?
(03:32):
Because they're worried aboutall the sharks and all these
things that are in the water.
Chuck (03:36):
That want to come get you .
Wow, do they fly in airplanes.
Luke (03:40):
They do.
Chuck (03:41):
That just seems weird to me.
That's interesting.
They're ready to fly on anairplane and step into the ocean
.
Luke (03:46):
Yeah, I was kind of blown away by it.
Did they swim in lake water?
I don't know if we went thatfar.
I don't know if we did or not,I don't remember.
John (03:53):
You can't see the bottom Swimming pools.
Chuck (03:55):
Yeah, sure, I know they do that, but I don't know I'd
have to ask her.
John (04:04):
yeah, so, john what are we talking about today?
Today, we're diving intosomething that shapes our lives
in profound ways our core values.
All right, do you have any corevalues I've got a couple.
All right, there you go and howthose connect to our rituals,
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habits and our traditions, andwe're also going to talk about
how that might shape the culturein our organizations that we
work for, that we are a part of,that we maybe lead are a part
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of that, we maybe lead.
Chuck (04:48):
So as I'm sitting here, I'm looking at luke and I know
what I'm feeling.
This is definitely going to bea discussion.
You got a guide oh okay, yougot some good right, you got
some good questions for us.
John (04:55):
I'm like dude, I do have some questions that we can talk
about I don't know where youwere going.
Luke (05:01):
There, chuck I, I'm like shit.
John (05:03):
I mean.
Luke (05:04):
I think that some of this probably tags back from episode
one, which was our North Stars.
John (05:12):
Yeah, so some of that you know is is what I stand for.
How do we actually play thatout in our life?
How do we, how do we showpeople, how do we, how do we
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bring that forward from who weare to the next generation?
Kind of what we, what we talkeda little bit about last time.
Let's take a look.
How do you distinguish betweenvalues we generally hold versus
values we think we should have?
Luke (05:54):
Well, I think it depends.
I truly do, and I think thatpart of it, as I was kind of
trying to think through somestuff today as to what we were
going to talk about, how we weregoing to talk about it, those
values that you hold near anddear, whatever that is, whether
they're learned, acquired,handed down to you because
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somebody else that was close toyou did and you aspire to it, or
however that works.
I think that there might betimes where you maybe try to
adopt or move toward another setof values based in a place
whether it's your workplace,whether it's a relationship,
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whether it's a group of friends,whether it's whatever Whatever
that is that might drive some ofyour values or your rhythms a
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different direction.
Maybe not even a differentdirection, but just a little
more focused in this directionas opposed to this direction.
So I mean just kind of lookingat that.
I think that for me personally,I think that it's most of my
values.
I think it's been the oppositeway of what you just said, where
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I think that it's driven me togo where I am now, as opposed to
reacting to it, winding upsomewhere and then changing my
values to meet that.
Does that make sense?
Chuck (07:36):
I think so.
I always like the particularsof conversations like this, and
so when I think of you knowvalues, and how your values or
how rhythms maybe help, um,establish, yeah, establish your
values is maybe the word I'mlooking for.
I like particulars, and so oneof the things that has been my
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mantra for probably 32 years nowI've been married for 32 years,
uh, to Jen, my wife.
I was wondering where the 32years now I've been married for
32 years to Jen my wife.
Luke (08:05):
I was wondering where the 32 years came from Yep, that's
it.
Chuck (08:08):
It was very precise, yeah , back when, like, my dad just
died in September, but he told astory about his grandpa, I
think, who didn't get marriedtill he was 40 years old and he
was married for over 50 years.
Somewhere in my brain I don'tknow where it came from, but I
just decided I want to bemarried for 75 years.
(08:29):
My wife and I we got married at19.
And so that means we would bothneed to live happily ever after
until we're 94, right.
And so some of the that's avalue for me is longevity in
marriage and seeing kids,grandkids, great grandkids,
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maybe even great, greatgrandkids.
Right, that's a value for me,and the way I live that out is
through hopefully trying to havea successful marriage, which,
to have a successful marriage,you have to do some things in
order to make that.
You know it's gotta beforgiveness.
There's always work to it.
(09:11):
There's going to be differentthings that you have to.
You know control withinyourself.
You know during those roughtimes, but when things are great
, things are great.
But when things aren't great,you gotta.
That's when you gotta figureout, like really, what you're
kind of made of.
So for me, that's kind of whatI'm thinking of when I think.
How do my rhythms establish myvalues?
(09:36):
That would be one that I wouldgo to.
What about?
John (09:39):
you guys, chuck you know you talked about.
Really I think that is atradition, you and your marriage
tradition.
It's kind of traditional tostay married right.
Oh, absolutely.
And to stay married to thatsame person over 75 years, that
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would be a long.
I'd be really old.
Luke (10:08):
But I'm not commenting on that.
Yeah, yeah.
John (10:10):
Anyway, I think what you just talked about really I know
you like to say rhythms A rhythmto me is more of our day-day
and how we do things, and so itcould be that how you show a
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happy marriage or how you showthat to the rest of the world
and give them a good example ofbeing married for a long time
could be a daily rhythm.
But it's also a tradition thatyou have, and I know that you
don't like the word tradition,but it is a tradition.
(10:51):
Another thing you said wasfamily.
A lot of our values come fromfamily.
I'm curious, just to ask wheredo you think, Luke, maybe did
you get some values from homegrowing up?
Luke (11:10):
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, I think one of myvalues has always been learning.
Yeah, Like I remember I don'tknow who told it to me or if it
just kind of came out ofwherever, but there was always
that little quote in my headthat if I didn't learn something
, told it to me, or if it justkind of came out of wherever,
but there was always that littlequote in my head that if I
didn't learn something today, Iwasted time, I didn't do
something that I should have.
(11:32):
And I think that a lot of thatcomes from my family, from
growing up.
I think my dad really kind ofpushed that.
My mom for sure did.
I mean she used to teach methings every day you know.
So I do think that that was oneand I and I think that I know
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this one was from my dad.
You guys will laugh at thiswhen I say it.
I I guess you could call it avalue, and I and I and I kind of
looked it up.
I'm not going to lie.
I maybe cheated a little bit tomake sure, but one of the
things that I hold as a corevalue is competency.
John (12:10):
Yeah, okay, and it's like you know what.
Luke (12:16):
Maybe you could call it like stay in your lane, you
could call it whatever you wantto do, but the idea is, is that,
um, for myself, and I've chosena career path that, first of
all, that I enjoyed, butsomething that I know that I
could?
in if I know that they'restruggling, or I feel it's
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probably more of me looking atthem and going maybe they're not
quite as competent as I wouldlike them to be.
Yeah, I sometimes struggle withthat a little bit because I
don't always want to push myvalues onto somebody else.
(13:04):
It doesn't lessen theimportance that I feel them
personally, but I don't knowthat it's always right that I do
that.
You know you might have a valuethat is super important to you
that isn't on my list of things,but that doesn't make it less
important.
You know, does that make sense?
Chuck (13:26):
It, it does, and for me, as I don't know what that does
for John, but for me I I feellike part of my responsibility
as a human being is to helpothers be a better human being.
John (13:44):
Absolutely.
Luke (13:45):
Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're
pushing your values on them.
I mean you might, just becauseyou're Chuck Like.
They look at you, they listento you, they hear you and they
choose to take a better path inlife.
Chuck (14:00):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I mean.
That's exactly where I wasgoing with it.
I'm going to leverage myinfluence.
Luke (14:06):
Yeah, yeah Does that mean I'm pushing to leverage my
influence?
Chuck (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Does that mean I'm pushing iton them, or like what would you
consider pushing your, yourvalue?
Luke (14:13):
Well, like you know if you're telling somebody or
insinuating a certain way theyshould feel or a way they should
be or think.
Yeah, you know, I think thatit's a.
It's a, at least for me, andagain I think that it's it's
everything's personal when itcomes to it.
Is that you can, like we,discuss with each other about
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things, right?
We don't always 100% agree,which is fine.
But, I think that we don'tnecessarily shove our opinion
down your throat and say, well,you're not thinking the right
way.
Now now, if I said somethingreally dumb or I was going to
whatever, I would expect one ofyou to jump on it.
We go like well, like Luke,that's stupid, but so there's a
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line but, I think there is aline.
But I think too that you're that, you're that your actions will
help with that.
I mean, people might look at itNow if they choose to be like
hey, you know what John reallyis kind, he is a kind person and
I never hear him cuss andwhatever.
And they choose to start doingthat in their life.
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That's okay and if that was oneof John's values, great.
But he didn't push that at him,he just acted that way because
that's who he is and they pickedup on it and they chose to say
I'd like to be like that.
John (15:32):
You know what I'm saying, so I think it's just kind of
different.
Luke (15:35):
I mean, that's just the way I look at it.
John (15:36):
And Luke and I certainly have been influenced by who I
grew up with.
To my dad, my mom, learning washuge in our family.
Grandma was a teacher, dad's ateacher, I'm a teacher in
education as well, so it it hasinfluenced me over time.
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At certain times I kind of lostthose core values.
Does that make sense?
As I was growing up, you kindof lost those core values.
Does that make sense?
As I was growing up.
You kind of go through somethings that you're maybe.
You maybe lose those corevalues that you grew up with,
that you that you want to getback to.
And I, as as I get older, I seemyself, you know, being a lot
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more, um, a lot more cognizantof having those core values.
And I think what you're talkingabout, too, with not pushing is
a value.
That's a value that we have.
And and one of the one of thethings that I try to do and I
think we can discuss this alittle bit too but how do we
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influence people?
By having those values andshowing those through the way
that we act those values out.
I'm married to my wife.
I love her.
I spend a lot of time with her,my wife, I love her.
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I spend a lot of time with her.
People see us having funtogether and and doing things
that married people do, and sohow do I influence other people?
Or I think that our traditions,our rituals, our habits, our
rhythms come out by showingthose values to other people,
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and that's how we influencepeople.
Chuck (17:43):
So can we name some values and how we live those
values out personally?
Luke (17:48):
Sure, how many do you?
Chuck (17:49):
have Well, you mentioned a good one competence.
Luke (17:54):
I put down a little list because I was just kind of going
through it and in my mind andtrying to.
You know, for me as an old guy,it's like trying to
compartmentalize my thoughtssometimes is a little difficult.
Trying to compartmentalize mythoughts sometimes is a little
difficult, yeah, but one of thethings that I think that I would
hold as a value is love.
(18:15):
Sure, and it's not just likeJohn you were just talking about
, it's not just the fact that Ilove my wife and I love to spend
time with her and I love to dothings with her.
It's not just that kind of love, but it's also loving what you
do, loving all the people aroundyou doing things that you love.
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I mean, there's so manydifferent ways that you can use
that.
But I think that as I've gottenolder, that's become more
important to me, because I thinkthere was some things earlier
in my life that I did.
Maybe they were hobbies, ormaybe they were just in my life
that I did.
Maybe they were hobbies, ormaybe they were just activities
or things that I did that maybeI just did them because I
thought I was supposed to dothem, or some of my friends kind
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of did it, but I've I've goneaway from some of those because
I've realized I don't reallylove doing it that much.
You know what I mean.
So I think I've gone away fromit a little.
Really love doing it that much,you know what I mean.
So I think I've gone away fromit a little.
I think the learning, thelearner part was a big one for
me.
Yeah, only because that was it.
The other one was and I believethis is a value as well is
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intention Is that I've tried andI think that this one has kind
of gone a little more as I'vegotten older.
And I think I learned it fromwork and from things where we
make data-driven decisions.
We don't just make a decisionat work because we want to make
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a decision at work.
We look at some data, we lookat something and we come up with
some sort of something toaddress that, whatever the thing
is, and then look at the dataand say, hey, we can affect the
data this way.
I try to live my life that wayas well, that I don't just do
something just for the heck ofit to do it.
I'm doing it because I'm goingto go do it with my wife or I
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want to spend time with you guys, or I'm going to do a podcast,
because we get to hang out andtalk about whatever.
And I think that that'simportant because it kind of
lends itself to living withpurpose.
It's intention.
I'm not just flying off thewhim and doing whatever, because
there's a couple of uh valuesthat I could say.
John (20:31):
Integrity, I think, is one of the values that I have.
I always try to do things umwith integrity and and to me
that means trying to do theright thing all the time,
whether people are watching ornot.
Chuck (20:49):
Yeah, always trying to do the right thing.
John (20:52):
I also think that what you're talking about to me is
dancing around passion, yeah.
Chuck (21:01):
Yeah, the word came to my mind.
John (21:02):
Passion is a value that I have, too, is a value that I
have too, and I think that beingpassionate about what you do,
having passion for who you love,that to me, is a value that I
try to live out every day.
Luke (21:22):
And I think I group that under love.
John (21:24):
I think that's kind of the thing.
Yeah, it's a little bit of both.
There's a slight, I think it'sa little bit of both.
There's a slight, I think.
Luke (21:28):
It's a little different.
Yeah, there's a slight nuanceto it, but I think, in the way
that I was using it, I would say, yeah, I can use that.
John (21:33):
I think it has to do with passion, and I think when you
approach things with passion andI don't know joy, I guess, and
I don't know joy I guess wouldbe another one of my values I
approach things from a positivestandpoint because I want to be
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joyful and I want to havepassion for what I do.
It's interesting, does that?
Chuck (22:02):
make sense?
It does.
And it's interesting, john,when you talk about joy, because
I think you know, I we've known, we've known each other maybe
three weeks, four weeks, andthat's one of the first things I
noticed about you is how joyfulyou are as you, as you do your
job.
Now I got this cranky old dudethat's next to me in the office
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and so I did see his passion.
Luke (22:25):
We don't know who that is.
He hears my phone calls.
Chuck (22:29):
folks Might have had a little bit of passion today, but
I did notice that about you andI think those values that you
spoke of integrity, passion andjoy I think Luke and I can say
we actually see you live thosethings out.
Luke (22:45):
Sure, and I think the other one that I have that I
realize it's a value because Ifind it important and I know
I've spoken about it before isit's service.
Yeah, and I just live by it,whether that's for my friends,
for my family, for peoplewherever, whatever it's, just I
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think it's important because Ithink that we're here it it.
It takes away the narcissisticcomponent.
If you want to say yeah, it'snot just about me.
Yeah, I mean, you know there'sa lot of other people that are
sharing the same ground that I'mwalking on.
Chuck (23:23):
Yeah, breathing the same air I'm breathing you know, I
think one of the, if I were topick a value that I have, that I
try to live out daily, isauthentic authenticity.
Maybe that's authenticity towhere I and I I, I don't want to
be that person that's fake.
You know, it's hard for me tostep into a role or a you know a
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relationship to where I'm justchecking the box.
I'm usually going to be all inLike.
Whenever we talked about doingthis podcast, it was like, guys,
are we going to talk about itforever?
Are we going to do it?
Let's do it.
And we finally did it.
I even found myself saying thesame words to in another
situation, that we could talkabout this forever, but's just,
let's just get it done.
So let's be authentic and stopfaking.
You know, whatever we're tryingto do, and so I think
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authenticity is a big thing,which sometimes can get me into
trouble.
Luke (24:14):
But um, I don't think it would get you into trouble,
though, because I think that,well, okay, let me, let me reel
back on that one.
It probably could get you intoa situation where you know you
ruffled somebody's feathers thewrong way or something.
But I think, in the long run,being authentic and holding that
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with integrity and doing it,and also having a passion for
whatever it is that you'retalking about is going to come
out right in the end.
Yeah, yeah, I think the onething you just said that kind of
hit a nerve if you didn't getthat, was that it might hurt you
, it might be rough.
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We can't live like that.
You know we have to be able toif it's something that we know,
something that's right at leastthat we feel is right at least
be strong enough to say hey, youknow what I'm going to talk
about this, but I'm still goingto keep an open mind, just in
case.
Yeah.
You know what I mean, which iskind of what we do here
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Absolutely, and you know what Ithought of when you said
authentic.
John (25:25):
and I see this in you you're a truth teller.
Oh, you tell the truth and youmaybe sometimes that's
challenging and that might bewhy you think being authentic
can get you in trouble, but butit's really telling the truth.
Luke (25:45):
Yeah.
John (25:45):
And and being authentic in how you deal with people.
Luke (25:51):
So I think one of the other ones that, john, you
mentioned it earlier, so I'mjust going to self-report here
is please, did you learnsomething you know growing up,
and did it come from family?
Did it come from things?
I was taught responsibilityfrom a very young age.
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Okay, I sucked at it.
Okay, I mean I was taughtresponsibility from a very young
age.
Okay, I sucked at it.
Okay, I mean I was not the mostresponsible kid growing up.
Okay, even into my early yearsof, you know, adulthood,
adulthood there was a lot ofthings that I would not put up
on the whiteboard under thecategory of responsibility.
(26:34):
Yeah, I would not put up on thewhiteboard under the category
of responsibility.
And I think that, even thoughit was still in the back of my
mind that I wanted to be and Iwanted to live that way and be
that way, it took a little whileto get there.
So I think that that value,even though I knew I couldn't
quite grasp it with both handsand give it a big hug, it was
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there and I think having theright people in your life helps
with it.
Yeah, absolutely, you know, yousurround yourself with people
and, like you know, for instance, I met my wife and that helped
me a great deal with thatbecause it it solidifies the
importance of what it is thatyou're doing and it helps you
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get there.
And I still struggle with it attimes but it's like you know, I
can tell that I've made progresstoward it 100%, but I think
that's one.
Like John you said, I learnedit growing up and my family was
around it and you know manywould say that, especially when
we were youngsters, my sister,who's six years older than I am,
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was much more responsible thanI was.
And yes, sarah, I did just saythat I think that it's one of
those things that values as theygo, you know, you said, I think
you said you lost sight of them, you know sometimes over the
years, I think you do, but theycome back.
I don't think they really evergo away.
Chuck (27:57):
The picture that came to my mind.
You talked about going to theocean.
The picture that came to mymind was, you know, the ebb and
flow of the tide.
Sometimes we're more driven byour values than we are at other
times.
John (28:08):
What came to my mind was you grow with grace, with the
grace of others, letting yougrow into those values.
Luke (28:19):
They're there.
John (28:20):
They're given to you and you may lose sight of them over
time, but you grow into thosevalues through the grace of
others.
Luke (28:30):
And I think one of the things that and it just kind of
came into my head again, becausesometimes, again, my thoughts
are a little all over the placebut when you were talking about
are we?
Are we pushing our values on tosomebody else, right, don't
take this the wrong way, but you, you have a different viewpoint
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of it because you're also apreacher.
It's kind of a preacher's job,yeah.
John (28:58):
Right but.
Luke (28:59):
I remember very, very vividly growing up in the
Lutheran church and I went tochurch all the time and all
through high school and college.
I mean a lot, a lot, a lot.
And I distinctly remember thedifference between the preachers
who stuck on the Old Testamentand the guys that were in the
New Testament, because it wastwo different things.
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You know, you had the fire andbrimstone of the Old Testament.
You know, boom, boom, boom,boom, right, but yet you had the
saving message of the NewTestament.
That's like hey, come on in,we're here.
You know what I mean.
So that's kind of what I lookand what I think of when I think
of pushing something ontosomeone.
It's not necessarily always abad thing, especially if
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somebody needs to hear it.
Sure, because there was timesin my life where it's like Luke
what are?
you doing.
Yeah, like you need to changethis.
Yeah, you know, in a hurry.
Yeah, like you need to changethis, you know, in a hurry, and
I don't know that I'm always areal good person to do that to
somebody else, because I feelkind of badly about it sometimes
.
But I think there's times thatI have.
John (30:04):
But I just don't think that.
Luke (30:06):
You know, it's not always a comfort zone for me.
John (30:08):
We might be coming to the end of this values talk and
might be moving on to somethingelse next episode but uh, what?
What do you think, chuck?
Chuck (30:18):
Yeah, I think we're probably uh talked this one out
and I'm sure we'll revisit it attimes, but I'm super stoked
that we got the opportunity toactually express some values and
then some of the differentrhythms or traditions in our
lives that we have looked to andlook from to establish those.
John (30:40):
Very good.
Well, hey, thanks for hangingout with us here at Half Century
Hangout.
I know Luke has a quote for us.
Luke (30:48):
Yes, Abraham Lincoln oh awesome, even though we're you
know, Go ahead.
Abraham Lincoln.
John (30:54):
That's okay, abraham Lincoln, he was a great guy, he
was sorry, uh, abraham lincoln,oh awesome even though we're oh
yeah, you know, I know, I knowI'm waiting, that's okay.
Chuck (30:55):
He was a great guy.
Luke (30:56):
He was sorry.
In the end, it's not the yearsin your life that count, it's
the life in your years.
I like that and I think thatdirectly talks to the values and
how you live your life, whatyou do with the time that you
have here you know, becauseagain that time it's kind of
like you were saying you knowyou want to do 75 years of
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marriage.
I mean, it's not just aboutsitting there and staring at the
wall for 75 years, it's whatyou do with it, how you do it
and how you go those 75 yearsand what you make of them, how
you live out those valuesExactly.
John (31:32):
Hey, thanks for hanging out with us here at Half Century
Hangout.
We appreciate you listening tous.
Make sure that you follow us onyour favorite podcast apps and
check us out on Facebook,Twitter, TikTok.
Chuck (31:48):
Instagram.
John (31:50):
Oh man.
Luke (31:53):
All those things that I have no idea about.
John (31:57):
We've got Chuck, isn't it?
That's right, hey.
Thanks again for hanging outwith us today.
Peace out, peace out, be good.
Welcome back to Half Century Hangout.
We're hanging out here withChuck and Luke.
How are things going this week?
Luke (00:08):
Just getting ready to have a little vacay, you know, a
little spring break.
John (00:13):
John, do you have anything going on for spring break?
For spring break, you know, I'mgoing to be spending a lot of
time with my family and workingat home.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not goinganywhere necessarily, but I've
got a lot of appointments andyou know, just just hanging out
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at home with with the family.
Chuck (00:35):
So late 50s is maybe a little different than early 50s,
so you're just waiting andstacking up those doctor's
appointments.
Is that what you're saying?
Luke (00:41):
Yeah, I was going to mention that, like are these
those appointments?
Chuck (00:45):
Like I appreciate that I didn't want to know which one he
was going to.
Luke, you know what I'venoticed something about, john.
I don't know if you've noticedit or not, but when I get a
little dig in, he always saysthanks, he does.
John (01:00):
Thanks, thanks so much.
Yes, I do.
Luke (01:03):
Well, you know you gotta say thanks, right, that's all.
Chuck (01:07):
But yes, it's super fun, yeah definitely.
Luke (01:11):
When he said appointments, I was like well, you know, yeah
and just to just to tag ontothat.
You know I am spending timewith my family there too.
We're going down in my daughterand son and I'll live down
there.
My wife's down there already,so I'm meeting her down and I
have to get a few listens of thelive down there.
My wife's down there already,so I'm meeting her down.
Chuck (01:25):
Have to get a few listens of the podcast down there, oh
yeah.
Luke (01:28):
There's a few down there.
I'm probably going to take alittle bit of our swag with and
I'm going to try to sneak itinto my suitcase and give them
one down there.
John (01:37):
Are you going to the beach ?
Oh yeah, I'll be at the beachno-transcript.
Luke (01:53):
I was thinking about it, but you know what, chuck, I
can't live up to you in thatJeep thing.
I can't do it, that's all right.
I've never been able, althoughit was pretty cool on St
Patrick's Day.
You know that their insigniawith the grill lines.
It said beer instead of Jeep.
Chuck (02:08):
It was kind of fun.
Luke (02:09):
I thought it was a pretty cool shirt.
Chuck (02:11):
We're doing some renovation at my house.
Awesome, in our bedroom we'regoing to tear out a closet and
put a new closet in and kind ofmake it a little more usable.
It's just a lot of wasted space.
We don't't have a huge bedroom,and so we want to utilize all
the space we can in that spot,and that's what we're going to
do.
So my wife and I we've designeda little closet system that
(02:32):
we're going to make and be ableto make the space worth
something that is awesome I willbe thinking about you yes, on
with the hammer in your hand asyou're on the beach.
Luke (02:44):
As I'm on the beach, are you?
Chuck (02:45):
going to set up a signing table down there for all the
fans that we have to get yourautograph.
Luke (02:49):
I wasn't planning on it.
I feel like I'd be one of thoseguys sitting there, like at the
table, like looking around.
People would be like who's?
Chuck (02:57):
this clown.
I'm like I don't know.
Somebody told me I should dothis, so here I am.
John (03:03):
And I'm volunteering on top of it.
Somebody on some podcast toldme to sit on the beach and get
my autograph out.
Luke (03:11):
Although, it is funny, I didn't till today.
I've never really had thisconversation.
I had a conversation with someother guys and I was amazed at
how many so there was, how manyof us were sitting there.
I was at a meeting and we hadnine guys there.
Nine guys there and out of thenine guys, like seven of them
won't step foot in the oceanwhat the heck?
(03:32):
Because they're worried aboutall the sharks and all these
things that are in the water.
Chuck (03:36):
That want to come get you .
Wow, do they fly in airplanes.
Luke (03:40):
They do.
Chuck (03:41):
That just seems weird to me.
That's interesting.
They're ready to fly on anairplane and step into the ocean
.
Luke (03:46):
Yeah, I was kind of blown away by it.
Did they swim in lake water?
I don't know if we went thatfar.
I don't know if we did or not,I don't remember.
John (03:53):
You can't see the bottom Swimming pools.
Chuck (03:55):
Yeah, sure, I know they do that, but I don't know I'd
have to ask her.
John (04:04):
yeah, so, john what are we talking about today?
Today, we're diving intosomething that shapes our lives
in profound ways our core values.
All right, do you have any corevalues I've got a couple.
All right, there you go and howthose connect to our rituals,
(04:24):
habits and our traditions, andwe're also going to talk about
how that might shape the culturein our organizations that we
work for, that we are a part of,that we maybe lead are a part
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of that, we maybe lead.
Chuck (04:48):
So as I'm sitting here, I'm looking at luke and I know
what I'm feeling.
This is definitely going to bea discussion.
You got a guide oh okay, yougot some good right, you got
some good questions for us.
John (04:55):
I'm like dude, I do have some questions that we can talk
about I don't know where youwere going.
Luke (05:01):
There, chuck I, I'm like shit.
John (05:03):
I mean.
Luke (05:04):
I think that some of this probably tags back from episode
one, which was our North Stars.
John (05:12):
Yeah, so some of that you know is is what I stand for.
How do we actually play thatout in our life?
How do we, how do we showpeople, how do we, how do we
(05:36):
bring that forward from who weare to the next generation?
Kind of what we, what we talkeda little bit about last time.
Let's take a look.
How do you distinguish betweenvalues we generally hold versus
values we think we should have?
Luke (05:54):
Well, I think it depends.
I truly do, and I think thatpart of it, as I was kind of
trying to think through somestuff today as to what we were
going to talk about, how we weregoing to talk about it, those
values that you hold near anddear, whatever that is, whether
they're learned, acquired,handed down to you because
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somebody else that was close toyou did and you aspire to it, or
however that works.
I think that there might betimes where you maybe try to
adopt or move toward another setof values based in a place
whether it's your workplace,whether it's a relationship,
(06:37):
whether it's a group of friends,whether it's whatever Whatever
that is that might drive some ofyour values or your rhythms a
(07:01):
different direction.
Maybe not even a differentdirection, but just a little
more focused in this directionas opposed to this direction.
So I mean just kind of lookingat that.
I think that for me personally,I think that it's most of my
values.
I think it's been the oppositeway of what you just said, where
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I think that it's driven me togo where I am now, as opposed to
reacting to it, winding upsomewhere and then changing my
values to meet that.
Does that make sense?
Chuck (07:36):
I think so.
I always like the particularsof conversations like this, and
so when I think of you knowvalues, and how your values or
how rhythms maybe help, um,establish, yeah, establish your
values is maybe the word I'mlooking for.
I like particulars, and so oneof the things that has been my
(07:58):
mantra for probably 32 years nowI've been married for 32 years,
uh, to Jen, my wife.
I was wondering where the 32years now I've been married for
32 years to Jen my wife.
Luke (08:05):
I was wondering where the 32 years came from Yep, that's
it.
Chuck (08:08):
It was very precise, yeah , back when, like, my dad just
died in September, but he told astory about his grandpa, I
think, who didn't get marriedtill he was 40 years old and he
was married for over 50 years.
Somewhere in my brain I don'tknow where it came from, but I
just decided I want to bemarried for 75 years.
(08:29):
My wife and I we got married at19.
And so that means we would bothneed to live happily ever after
until we're 94, right.
And so some of the that's avalue for me is longevity in
marriage and seeing kids,grandkids, great grandkids,
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maybe even great, greatgrandkids.
Right, that's a value for me,and the way I live that out is
through hopefully trying to havea successful marriage, which,
to have a successful marriage,you have to do some things in
order to make that.
You know it's gotta beforgiveness.
There's always work to it.
(09:11):
There's going to be differentthings that you have to.
You know control withinyourself.
You know during those roughtimes, but when things are great
, things are great.
But when things aren't great,you gotta.
That's when you gotta figureout, like really, what you're
kind of made of.
So for me, that's kind of whatI'm thinking of when I think.
How do my rhythms establish myvalues?
(09:36):
That would be one that I wouldgo to.
What about?
John (09:39):
you guys, chuck you know you talked about.
Really I think that is atradition, you and your marriage
tradition.
It's kind of traditional tostay married right.
Oh, absolutely.
And to stay married to thatsame person over 75 years, that
(10:02):
would be a long.
I'd be really old.
Luke (10:08):
But I'm not commenting on that.
Yeah, yeah.
John (10:10):
Anyway, I think what you just talked about really I know
you like to say rhythms A rhythmto me is more of our day-day
and how we do things, and so itcould be that how you show a
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happy marriage or how you showthat to the rest of the world
and give them a good example ofbeing married for a long time
could be a daily rhythm.
But it's also a tradition thatyou have, and I know that you
don't like the word tradition,but it is a tradition.
(10:51):
Another thing you said wasfamily.
A lot of our values come fromfamily.
I'm curious, just to ask wheredo you think, Luke, maybe did
you get some values from homegrowing up?
Luke (11:10):
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, I think one of myvalues has always been learning.
Yeah, Like I remember I don'tknow who told it to me or if it
just kind of came out ofwherever, but there was always
that little quote in my headthat if I didn't learn something
, told it to me, or if it justkind of came out of wherever,
but there was always that littlequote in my head that if I
didn't learn something today, Iwasted time, I didn't do
something that I should have.
(11:32):
And I think that a lot of thatcomes from my family, from
growing up.
I think my dad really kind ofpushed that.
My mom for sure did.
I mean she used to teach methings every day you know.
So I do think that that was oneand I and I think that I know
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this one was from my dad.
You guys will laugh at thiswhen I say it.
I I guess you could call it avalue, and I and I and I kind of
looked it up.
I'm not going to lie.
I maybe cheated a little bit tomake sure, but one of the
things that I hold as a corevalue is competency.
John (12:10):
Yeah, okay, and it's like you know what.
Luke (12:16):
Maybe you could call it like stay in your lane, you
could call it whatever you wantto do, but the idea is, is that,
um, for myself, and I've chosena career path that, first of
all, that I enjoyed, butsomething that I know that I
could?
in if I know that they'restruggling, or I feel it's
(12:39):
probably more of me looking atthem and going maybe they're not
quite as competent as I wouldlike them to be.
Yeah, I sometimes struggle withthat a little bit because I
don't always want to push myvalues onto somebody else.
(13:04):
It doesn't lessen theimportance that I feel them
personally, but I don't knowthat it's always right that I do
that.
You know you might have a valuethat is super important to you
that isn't on my list of things,but that doesn't make it less
important.
You know, does that make sense?
Chuck (13:26):
It, it does, and for me, as I don't know what that does
for John, but for me I I feellike part of my responsibility
as a human being is to helpothers be a better human being.
John (13:44):
Absolutely.
Luke (13:45):
Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're
pushing your values on them.
I mean you might, just becauseyou're Chuck Like.
They look at you, they listento you, they hear you and they
choose to take a better path inlife.
Chuck (14:00):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I mean.
That's exactly where I wasgoing with it.
I'm going to leverage myinfluence.
Luke (14:06):
Yeah, yeah Does that mean I'm pushing to leverage my
influence?
Chuck (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Does that mean I'm pushing iton them, or like what would you
consider pushing your, yourvalue?
Luke (14:13):
Well, like you know if you're telling somebody or
insinuating a certain way theyshould feel or a way they should
be or think.
Yeah, you know, I think thatit's a.
It's a, at least for me, andagain I think that it's it's
everything's personal when itcomes to it.
Is that you can, like we,discuss with each other about
(14:33):
things, right?
We don't always 100% agree,which is fine.
But, I think that we don'tnecessarily shove our opinion
down your throat and say, well,you're not thinking the right
way.
Now now, if I said somethingreally dumb or I was going to
whatever, I would expect one ofyou to jump on it.
We go like well, like Luke,that's stupid, but so there's a
(14:55):
line but, I think there is aline.
But I think too that you're that, you're that your actions will
help with that.
I mean, people might look at itNow if they choose to be like
hey, you know what John reallyis kind, he is a kind person and
I never hear him cuss andwhatever.
And they choose to start doingthat in their life.
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That's okay and if that was oneof John's values, great.
But he didn't push that at him,he just acted that way because
that's who he is and they pickedup on it and they chose to say
I'd like to be like that.
John (15:32):
You know what I'm saying, so I think it's just kind of
different.
Luke (15:35):
I mean, that's just the way I look at it.
John (15:36):
And Luke and I certainly have been influenced by who I
grew up with.
To my dad, my mom, learning washuge in our family.
Grandma was a teacher, dad's ateacher, I'm a teacher in
education as well, so it it hasinfluenced me over time.
(16:00):
At certain times I kind of lostthose core values.
Does that make sense?
As I was growing up, you kindof lost those core values.
Does that make sense?
As I was growing up.
You kind of go through somethings that you're maybe.
You maybe lose those corevalues that you grew up with,
that you that you want to getback to.
And I, as as I get older, I seemyself, you know, being a lot
(16:26):
more, um, a lot more cognizantof having those core values.
And I think what you're talkingabout, too, with not pushing is
a value.
That's a value that we have.
And and one of the one of thethings that I try to do and I
think we can discuss this alittle bit too but how do we
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influence people?
By having those values andshowing those through the way
that we act those values out.
I'm married to my wife.
I love her.
I spend a lot of time with her,my wife, I love her.
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I spend a lot of time with her.
People see us having funtogether and and doing things
that married people do, and sohow do I influence other people?
Or I think that our traditions,our rituals, our habits, our
rhythms come out by showingthose values to other people,
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and that's how we influencepeople.
Chuck (17:43):
So can we name some values and how we live those
values out personally?
Luke (17:48):
Sure, how many do you?
Chuck (17:49):
have Well, you mentioned a good one competence.
Luke (17:54):
I put down a little list because I was just kind of going
through it and in my mind andtrying to.
You know, for me as an old guy,it's like trying to
compartmentalize my thoughtssometimes is a little difficult.
Trying to compartmentalize mythoughts sometimes is a little
difficult, yeah, but one of thethings that I think that I would
hold as a value is love.
(18:15):
Sure, and it's not just likeJohn you were just talking about
, it's not just the fact that Ilove my wife and I love to spend
time with her and I love to dothings with her.
It's not just that kind of love, but it's also loving what you
do, loving all the people aroundyou doing things that you love.
(18:36):
I mean, there's so manydifferent ways that you can use
that.
But I think that as I've gottenolder, that's become more
important to me, because I thinkthere was some things earlier
in my life that I did.
Maybe they were hobbies, ormaybe they were just in my life
that I did.
Maybe they were hobbies, ormaybe they were just activities
or things that I did that maybeI just did them because I
thought I was supposed to dothem, or some of my friends kind
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of did it, but I've I've goneaway from some of those because
I've realized I don't reallylove doing it that much.
You know what I mean.
So I think I've gone away fromit a little.
Really love doing it that much,you know what I mean.
So I think I've gone away fromit a little.
I think the learning, thelearner part was a big one for
me.
Yeah, only because that was it.
The other one was and I believethis is a value as well is
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intention Is that I've tried andI think that this one has kind
of gone a little more as I'vegotten older.
And I think I learned it fromwork and from things where we
make data-driven decisions.
We don't just make a decisionat work because we want to make
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a decision at work.
We look at some data, we lookat something and we come up with
some sort of something toaddress that, whatever the thing
is, and then look at the dataand say, hey, we can affect the
data this way.
I try to live my life that wayas well, that I don't just do
something just for the heck ofit to do it.
I'm doing it because I'm goingto go do it with my wife or I
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want to spend time with you guys, or I'm going to do a podcast,
because we get to hang out andtalk about whatever.
And I think that that'simportant because it kind of
lends itself to living withpurpose.
It's intention.
I'm not just flying off thewhim and doing whatever, because
there's a couple of uh valuesthat I could say.
John (20:31):
Integrity, I think, is one of the values that I have.
I always try to do things umwith integrity and and to me
that means trying to do theright thing all the time,
whether people are watching ornot.
Chuck (20:49):
Yeah, always trying to do the right thing.
John (20:52):
I also think that what you're talking about to me is
dancing around passion, yeah.
Chuck (21:01):
Yeah, the word came to my mind.
John (21:02):
Passion is a value that I have, too, is a value that I
have too, and I think that beingpassionate about what you do,
having passion for who you love,that to me, is a value that I
try to live out every day.
Luke (21:22):
And I think I group that under love.
John (21:24):
I think that's kind of the thing.
Yeah, it's a little bit of both.
There's a slight, I think it'sa little bit of both.
There's a slight, I think.
Luke (21:28):
It's a little different.
Yeah, there's a slight nuanceto it, but I think, in the way
that I was using it, I would say, yeah, I can use that.
John (21:33):
I think it has to do with passion, and I think when you
approach things with passion andI don't know joy, I guess, and
I don't know joy I guess wouldbe another one of my values I
approach things from a positivestandpoint because I want to be
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joyful and I want to havepassion for what I do.
It's interesting, does that?
Chuck (22:02):
make sense?
It does.
And it's interesting, john,when you talk about joy, because
I think you know, I we've known, we've known each other maybe
three weeks, four weeks, andthat's one of the first things I
noticed about you is how joyfulyou are as you, as you do your
job.
Now I got this cranky old dudethat's next to me in the office
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and so I did see his passion.
Luke (22:25):
We don't know who that is.
He hears my phone calls.
Chuck (22:29):
folks Might have had a little bit of passion today, but
I did notice that about you andI think those values that you
spoke of integrity, passion andjoy I think Luke and I can say
we actually see you live thosethings out.
Luke (22:45):
Sure, and I think the other one that I have that I
realize it's a value because Ifind it important and I know
I've spoken about it before isit's service.
Yeah, and I just live by it,whether that's for my friends,
for my family, for peoplewherever, whatever it's, just I
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think it's important because Ithink that we're here it it.
It takes away the narcissisticcomponent.
If you want to say yeah, it'snot just about me.
Yeah, I mean, you know there'sa lot of other people that are
sharing the same ground that I'mwalking on.
Chuck (23:23):
Yeah, breathing the same air I'm breathing you know, I
think one of the, if I were topick a value that I have, that I
try to live out daily, isauthentic authenticity.
Maybe that's authenticity towhere I and I I, I don't want to
be that person that's fake.
You know, it's hard for me tostep into a role or a you know a
(23:48):
relationship to where I'm justchecking the box.
I'm usually going to be all inLike.
Whenever we talked about doingthis podcast, it was like, guys,
are we going to talk about itforever?
Are we going to do it?
Let's do it.
And we finally did it.
I even found myself saying thesame words to in another
situation, that we could talkabout this forever, but's just,
let's just get it done.
So let's be authentic and stopfaking.
You know, whatever we're tryingto do, and so I think
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authenticity is a big thing,which sometimes can get me into
trouble.
Luke (24:14):
But um, I don't think it would get you into trouble,
though, because I think that,well, okay, let me, let me reel
back on that one.
It probably could get you intoa situation where you know you
ruffled somebody's feathers thewrong way or something.
But I think, in the long run,being authentic and holding that
(24:40):
with integrity and doing it,and also having a passion for
whatever it is that you'retalking about is going to come
out right in the end.
Yeah, yeah, I think the onething you just said that kind of
hit a nerve if you didn't getthat, was that it might hurt you
, it might be rough.
(25:00):
We can't live like that.
You know we have to be able toif it's something that we know,
something that's right at leastthat we feel is right at least
be strong enough to say hey, youknow what I'm going to talk
about this, but I'm still goingto keep an open mind, just in
case.
Yeah.
You know what I mean, which iskind of what we do here
(25:21):
Absolutely, and you know what Ithought of when you said
authentic.
John (25:25):
and I see this in you you're a truth teller.
Oh, you tell the truth and youmaybe sometimes that's
challenging and that might bewhy you think being authentic
can get you in trouble, but butit's really telling the truth.
Luke (25:45):
Yeah.
John (25:45):
And and being authentic in how you deal with people.
Luke (25:51):
So I think one of the other ones that, john, you
mentioned it earlier, so I'mjust going to self-report here
is please, did you learnsomething you know growing up,
and did it come from family?
Did it come from things?
I was taught responsibilityfrom a very young age.
(26:13):
Okay, I sucked at it.
Okay, I mean I was taughtresponsibility from a very young
age.
Okay, I sucked at it.
Okay, I mean I was not the mostresponsible kid growing up.
Okay, even into my early yearsof, you know, adulthood,
adulthood there was a lot ofthings that I would not put up
on the whiteboard under thecategory of responsibility.
(26:34):
Yeah, I would not put up on thewhiteboard under the category
of responsibility.
And I think that, even thoughit was still in the back of my
mind that I wanted to be and Iwanted to live that way and be
that way, it took a little whileto get there.
So I think that that value,even though I knew I couldn't
quite grasp it with both handsand give it a big hug, it was
(26:56):
there and I think having theright people in your life helps
with it.
Yeah, absolutely, you know, yousurround yourself with people
and, like you know, for instance, I met my wife and that helped
me a great deal with thatbecause it it solidifies the
importance of what it is thatyou're doing and it helps you
(27:16):
get there.
And I still struggle with it attimes but it's like you know, I
can tell that I've made progresstoward it 100%, but I think
that's one.
Like John you said, I learnedit growing up and my family was
around it and you know manywould say that, especially when
we were youngsters, my sister,who's six years older than I am,
(27:37):
was much more responsible thanI was.
And yes, sarah, I did just saythat I think that it's one of
those things that values as theygo, you know, you said, I think
you said you lost sight of them, you know sometimes over the
years, I think you do, but theycome back.
I don't think they really evergo away.
Chuck (27:57):
The picture that came to my mind.
You talked about going to theocean.
The picture that came to mymind was, you know, the ebb and
flow of the tide.
Sometimes we're more driven byour values than we are at other
times.
John (28:08):
What came to my mind was you grow with grace, with the
grace of others, letting yougrow into those values.
Luke (28:19):
They're there.
John (28:20):
They're given to you and you may lose sight of them over
time, but you grow into thosevalues through the grace of
others.
Luke (28:30):
And I think one of the things that and it just kind of
came into my head again, becausesometimes, again, my thoughts
are a little all over the placebut when you were talking about
are we?
Are we pushing our values on tosomebody else, right, don't
take this the wrong way, but you, you have a different viewpoint
(28:52):
of it because you're also apreacher.
It's kind of a preacher's job,yeah.
John (28:58):
Right but.
Luke (28:59):
I remember very, very vividly growing up in the
Lutheran church and I went tochurch all the time and all
through high school and college.
I mean a lot, a lot, a lot.
And I distinctly remember thedifference between the preachers
who stuck on the Old Testamentand the guys that were in the
New Testament, because it wastwo different things.
(29:21):
You know, you had the fire andbrimstone of the Old Testament.
You know, boom, boom, boom,boom, right, but yet you had the
saving message of the NewTestament.
That's like hey, come on in,we're here.
You know what I mean.
So that's kind of what I lookand what I think of when I think
of pushing something ontosomeone.
It's not necessarily always abad thing, especially if
(29:44):
somebody needs to hear it.
Sure, because there was timesin my life where it's like Luke
what are?
you doing.
Yeah, like you need to changethis.
Yeah, you know, in a hurry.
Yeah, like you need to changethis, you know, in a hurry, and
I don't know that I'm always areal good person to do that to
somebody else, because I feelkind of badly about it sometimes
.
But I think there's times thatI have.
John (30:04):
But I just don't think that.
Luke (30:06):
You know, it's not always a comfort zone for me.
John (30:08):
We might be coming to the end of this values talk and
might be moving on to somethingelse next episode but uh, what?
What do you think, chuck?
Chuck (30:18):
Yeah, I think we're probably uh talked this one out
and I'm sure we'll revisit it attimes, but I'm super stoked
that we got the opportunity toactually express some values and
then some of the differentrhythms or traditions in our
lives that we have looked to andlook from to establish those.
John (30:40):
Very good.
Well, hey, thanks for hangingout with us here at Half Century
Hangout.
I know Luke has a quote for us.
Luke (30:48):
Yes, Abraham Lincoln oh awesome, even though we're you
know, Go ahead.
Abraham Lincoln.
John (30:54):
That's okay, abraham Lincoln, he was a great guy, he
was sorry, uh, abraham lincoln,oh awesome even though we're oh
yeah, you know, I know, I knowI'm waiting, that's okay.
Chuck (30:55):
He was a great guy.
Luke (30:56):
He was sorry.
In the end, it's not the yearsin your life that count, it's
the life in your years.
I like that and I think thatdirectly talks to the values and
how you live your life, whatyou do with the time that you
have here you know, becauseagain that time it's kind of
like you were saying you knowyou want to do 75 years of
(31:19):
marriage.
I mean, it's not just aboutsitting there and staring at the
wall for 75 years, it's whatyou do with it, how you do it
and how you go those 75 yearsand what you make of them, how
you live out those valuesExactly.
John (31:32):
Hey, thanks for hanging out with us here at Half Century
Hangout.
We appreciate you listening tous.
Make sure that you follow us onyour favorite podcast apps and
check us out on Facebook,Twitter, TikTok.
Chuck (31:48):
Instagram.
John (31:50):
Oh man.
Luke (31:53):
All those things that I have no idea about.
John (31:57):
We've got Chuck, isn't it?
That's right, hey.
Thanks again for hanging outwith us today.
Peace out, peace out, be good.
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