April 23, 2025 • 30 mins
Imagine looking across an open field and spotting something that shouldn't exist—a dire wolf, extinct for 10,000 years, running wild again. This isn't science fiction anymore. Scientists have successfully created wolf pups carrying DNA from the extinct dire wolf species, opening a Pandora's box of questions about the ethics and implications of bringing extinct species back to life.
The conversation begins with a lighthearted reminiscence about baseball and papal elections before diving into the fascinating world of de-extinction. The guys explore how Colossal, a private company dedicated to resurrecting extinct species, has combined ancient dire wolf DNA with modern gray wolf genetics to create something that hasn't existed for millennia. These massive predators once stood four feet tall at the shoulder—substantially larger than any wolf you might encounter today.
But the heart of the discussion centers on a profound question: Just because we can resurrect extinct species, should we? The team examines this from multiple angles—scientific, ethical, environmental, and even spiritual. They question whether species that went extinct through natural processes or cataclysmic events like asteroid impacts should be brought back into a world that has dramatically changed since they disappeared. Would these creatures even be able to survive in today's environment? What unintended consequences might follow their reintroduction?
This leads to broader considerations about genetic manipulation technology and its applications. While de-extinction of charismatic creatures like dire wolves and woolly mammoths captures public imagination (and investor dollars), the same technology could potentially be directed toward medical breakthroughs or preventing currently endangered species from disappearing. Is creating predators from the past the best use of these scientific capabilities?
The conversation concludes with a thought-provoking question that we will let you discover for yourselves. As we develop the power to bring species back from oblivion, this question takes on new weight and meaning.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Half Century Hangout.
And we're here in Luke's garageagain.
And what's been going on here,gentlemen?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gentlemen, I haven't been called a gentleman since
you told me I look like that guyfrom yeah, from the Gentleman
on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh, that was.
That was something.
It took me a while to figurethat out.
The Half Century part reallycame to play.
Sure did, really came to play.
I'm like Chuck, you're killingme, I cannot remember who you
look like, but that's what itwas.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You guys may or may not know this about me.
Oh boy, I used to do baseballsort of fantasy league, when I
was a kid and you'd have torecord everything from the
newspaper.
It's like all the hits fromyour players and stuff that you
chose, all those types of things.
You'd have to record them fromthe newspaper and all the hits
from your players and stuff thatyou chose, all those types of
things.
You'd have to record them fromthe newspaper and figure out
(00:49):
everything like by writing itdown they didn't have anything
else to do in ohio they didn't.
And here's what happened I gotsuper butt hurt whenever that's
funny, oh, that is funny whenwas the strike?
In 98 or 99?
Uh, whenever the strike was I'mnot a big baseball.
(01:09):
I'm done either I'm done withwith baseball and I didn't
really watch it until maybe 2018, 2019 really you didn't watch
mcguire and sosa no, well, thatwas in the 90s, before that was
before the strike, before theyeah, yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
There was a strike before that, then too.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Not like the one in 98 where they didn't have a
World Series.
I only think they had a season.
Wow, yeah, I was not a happycamper.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I've always been a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, but it's
because I like the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Big red machine.
Go all the way, absolutelyCincinnati.
Go all the way, absolutelyCincinnati yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Reds Tigers.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Tigers Detroit.
Gotta love that, you know 68was a great year.
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Lots of influential people and very historical
things happened in 1968.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And who was born in 1968?
.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yours truly.
Hey, isn't that?
Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Tigers won the World Series, that would be Luke and
the roar of 84.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is that what that's?
When they won again when Gibbywas on the team and all those
guys Roar of 84.
Beat the Padres.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What year was it where the St Louis Cardinals and
the Kansas City Royals were inthe World Series and they called
?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
it.
I was just the I-35.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No I-44.
No.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I-70.
I-70.
Yeah, i-70 Series, that's right, was that 86?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I thought it was yeah .
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Somewhere in there.
I think I was.
I might have been in college.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Who's the baseball team from St Louis?
I might have been in college.
Who's the baseball team from StLouis, the Cardinals, cardinals
.
Are they inviting them to votefor the new Pope?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Those Cardinals?
Oh no, it's only anybody under80.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure there might be.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Arizona Cardinals too .
They probably started a littlebit before they might be.
I think it would be fun ifmcguire shows up in his cardinal
uniform.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
yeah, you know that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, I'm a cardinal do they know who uh like is
who's in the running for the?
How's that even work?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
they don't campaign.
Yeah, yeah, you know the uh thedraft kings it not, it probably
could be.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I mean, I'd imagine I'd throw a number down on it.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But you know, the Cardinals all vote and, yes,
they somewhat, but they arebrought together in the Sistine
Chapel and they Is there alcoholinvolved and they I don't, I've
never, is there alcoholinvolved and they I don't.
I've never been there.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm not a cardinal so I don't know.
I think if there isn't, weshould institute that idea.
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's super secretive.
It is, and if you get caught,like disseminating the secrets
of the activities.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is there like a?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
smoke thing that goes with it, yep.
Or the activities of what'sgoing on.
Isn't there like a smoke thingthat goes with it, yep.
But if you get caught talkingabout what's going on inside the
Sistine Chapel at the timewhenever they're going through
all this, it's like you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So they burn the ballots and the smoke comes out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And that's when you know that White.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
If they've reached a decision.
And it's black If they stillhave to talk about it.
I think that's it.
How do they color the smoke?
Well, they have cartridges.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I would imagine there's something in there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I read about this yesterday.
They actually have cartridgesthat they put in there.
Interesting, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But that whole process is fascinating.
Well, francis was the one whotook the top off the Popemobile.
I saw that.
Yeah, he was the one thatinstituted that because it was
closed in there for a while.
Now it was back open for him.
We'll see what the new guy does.
I was driving the other day,coming back from a little town a
little north of us, and I couldhave sworn.
(04:55):
I saw a dire wolf runningacross the field.
Dire wolf, whoa those thingshave not been around in decades.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Years, no, like centuries millennia yeah, long
time.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think we should chat about this.
Let's go.
So what's?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
going on with the dire wolf.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, let's explain first what the dire wolf is.
Well, that's what I'm going tosay.
Is that?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
what I want to say is that, by looking through it and
seeing what has been done, I'mgoing to call it a gray wolf
with dire wolf characteristics.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, okay, because they had.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
you know when you I mean, we could do this deep dive
and I could, you know, look atmy phone and pull up all sorts
of fancy words and stuff butbasically there's a percentage
of DNA that you would need togenetically create something.
And I hate to use that wordcreate because that's a whole
other issue.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
sometimes You've got to have live DNA, right?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But they had quite a bit.
There was a percentage that wasthere and there's so many
helixes that they need or such apercentage of things that they
need.
So they then used what theythey used as the gray wolf that
was the main genotype that theyused used the other dna that
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they went through from thefossils that they have and the
things that they have the teethand the bones and the things
that they have.
I think it was a tooth I thinkit was a tooth and they used
that to then implement some ofthose other characteristics.
Took those, what do we want tocall them embryos?
We can take those and theyplanted them into two dogs, more
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or less.
We can take those and theyplanted them into two dogs, more
or less.
So I don't know if you guysprobably everybody has seen the
videos at some point of thosedire wolves howling.
Okay, my viewpoint is is that,as I look at it, and they're
calling it the de-extinction.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Which, again, we're going to touch on that a little
bit, because that word scares mea little bit.
Okay, we can get the obviousout.
We've all seen Jurassic Park,we've all seen these things
right, and I don't know thatwe're at that level.
But I think that when you, whenyou go through this and you
look at it, where do they gofrom here?
Yeah, and what is the purposeof the idea?
(07:28):
And I have, I have an answerfor that, but I want you guys to
think about that what's thepurpose of the de-extinction?
What's the name of the company?
Again, I forgot the name of thecolossal.
Colossal is the name of thecompany that did it.
Okay, so let's throw thegovernment thing out of it for a
minute, because it's notgovernment funded, it's not
something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, it's all private, it's private.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But what's your thought on it?
On just the process of thewe'll call it the de-extinction
of species.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, it's kind of like asking the question if we
can right, Should we?
And de-extinction, bringinganimals back into the biome, the
earth, how does that affectwhere we are?
(08:22):
If we got dire wolves and webring them back and we put them
into the environment, how doesthat affect the environment?
Is that a good thing?
Is that a bad thing?
Yeah, Woolly mammoths isanother thing that they're
looking at Right now they're atthe mouse level.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
From what I've read, the woolly mouse.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
From what I read, they're looking at maybe 28
attempting that de-extinction.
But to your point, I think it'sinteresting concept to kind of
try to wrap your heads aroundand I would say I would be for
the de-extinction of thesedifferent things, simply because
(09:09):
we don't know what they aregoing to do.
We don't know what I mean,we've never experienced them.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm not sure that we are ready, able, and you know,
these animals went extinct for areason.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I was just going to say that.
You just took the words rightout of my mouth, John.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And you change because of the environment that
you're in.
You can think about history,okay.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, in history that science looks at in history
that maybe that you have a mixof religion and science, history
changes, right?
People look at it a little bitdifferently.
Obviously, the millions andbillions of years thing comes
(10:03):
into different things and youthink about things in a little
bit different manner.
But, like John said, there's areason somehow.
Now, sometimes it's man-made,sometimes these species went
extinct because of man, which Iget Okay, but there's others
that, according to what sciencewould tell us, went extinct
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before man was really theirenemy or whatever you want to
call it, this dire wolf, and yousaid why.
You know, just because we can,should we right?
The idea is that this companyColossal places these dire wolf
pups on the thing of Game ofThrones.
(10:48):
There's a reason that thecompany would do this.
I mean it's money.
They're trying to promote whatthey're going to do, not only
just now but in the future.
I mean they're building theirbrand or whatever you want to
say right, but the dire wolf.
(11:09):
I want you to think about this.
I don't know if you know, doyou know how big these things
were?
They're like they're.
They're four foot at theshoulder.
Yeah, that's a, that's a bigwolf, I'm just saying, I mean
like you see wolves or you seecoyotes now you see things like
you know, they're not nearlythat big, obviously and the idea
that you're de-extinctingpredators and, like you said and
(11:35):
you said this and I was so gladyou said it we don't know what
they'll do that to me is alittle bit of a red flag, that
you know what, we don't knowwhat they'll do.
We have no idea.
And how do we know?
If we got them to the pointthat they were able to, let's
just say, replicate, reproduce,whatever it was, how do we know
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we would be able to contain it?
How do we know that we would?
How do we know?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you really don't.
You really don't.
But to like the whole idea thatthey're extinct for a reason, I
don't know that that'snecessarily true.
We don't know why they wentextinct.
Some people think it could havebeen because of a cataclysmic
event asteroid hitting the earth, so it wasn't like they weren't
able to survive, or thesurvival of the fittest, or
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anything like that.
It could have been that therewas an event that happened that
took them out right, and theother species weren't affected
by that particular cataclysmicevent because it didn't happen
in their part of the world.
I'm not sure, but I don't knowthat it's definitive to say that
they are extinct for aparticular reason.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, but in your thing it would be that
cataclysmic event, whatever thatis caused, their demise, their
extinction, that's still thereason that they were okay.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Now, the reason might have been something else.
Maybe it was disease.
Maybe it was something elsemight have been something else
Maybe it was disease.
Maybe it was something else.
I mean, we don't know that, butthis is where, when we look at
these things, what otherinfluence was there for those
species to go extinct?
What other influence can wetalk about?
(13:22):
I mean, we can talk about a lotof things of what the possible
influence could have been.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So I have an axolotl in my office right.
His name is Jeff.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I thought it was Axel Foley.
No, that's the guitar player.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
The axolotl in the wild is actually an endangered
species, because they're prettystupid.
Really they're not very smart.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Wait till I tell Jeff this tomorrow.
I know, don't tell him that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But they're not a very smart species, but within
captivity they've thrivedbecause people breed them and
there's no threat against them,right?
So all that to say that I thinkthere are certain species even
today that are going extinct orthat are on the endangered
species because they were eitheroverhunted or Well, there's
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definitely, there's a human.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and there's definitely obviously there's
species that couldn't survive,whatever it happened to be
whether it was another predatoror whether it was the ability
for the land that they were onto survive.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Or to sustain there.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And you know, we can go into biblical right.
I mean, there was a flood right.
There was a giganticcataclysmic event that occurred
and from what we've read, fromwhat we know, that was a pretty
large thing.
Right, and somebody made thedecision that there was some
that would survive and some thatwouldn't.
Right, and somebody made thedecision that there was some
that would survive and some thatwouldn't right.
(14:50):
So I think that when we look atit, like we're talking about
this in the broad form ofgenetic manipulation right,
genetic manipulation has done alot of great things as far as
medicine goes, as far astreatments for other things for
humans and different stuff, witheven genetic manipulation is in
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our plants and farms use it.
You know all sorts of differentthings on different forms of
genetic manipulation, right?
So I think there's realpositive things that we can do
with it.
My concern is is that what arewe actually using it for?
And, like you said, even thoughyou didn't mean to say it this
(15:32):
way, are we ready for the result?
Because maybe you're tappinginto something that we're not
ready for, like we don't knowthat we're ready.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Could you imagine going hunting for a T-Rex?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
No no, I haven't had enough time finding a deer.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I think a T-Rex no.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
They haven't had enough time finding a deer.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I think a T-Rex would be hunting you.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of Idon't want velociraptors running
around.
It's like literally, it's likewhat?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
is our end game with it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What do we?
What do we?
We've seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The guy was on the crapper Really.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I mean, that's what I'm saying and I know it's funny
and I know it's like.
You know it's Hollywood andthey play things, but you know
what?
They came up with ideas for areason right Like to get
people's you know, yeah, I meanliterally, and it is.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's a very curious subject.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's a very curious subject, no matter what, but I
think that part of it goes to somany different things that are
happening right now, like I mean, I'll just throw it out there,
like AI or even chat, gpt, forthat matter, like these things
that are happening, that I thinkwe have to be careful with how
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we're using it and why.
If it's just a money gram, likeif that's really what it is like
if it's just colossal, sayinghey, we can do this and we're
going to do it because it's cool, yeah, the problem with that is
they might achieve their goalof being infinitely wealthy and
(17:07):
for their investors and whoeverelse, but it affects the rest of
us one way or the other, someway it's going to, the way it
could affect us is you'reputting something into the
environment that isn't in theenvironment now and maybe isn't
supposed to be in theenvironment.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And why are you doing it?
Because you're curious, becausethere's scientific ability to
do it, or because you want toconserve the endangered species?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Why are you doing it?
Think of it this way.
Think of it this way.
Do we have the ability,scientifically, okay, do we have
the ability to build and growbetter athletes?
Do we have the ability?
How?
Steroids, oh, human growthhormone, sure, but have we
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stopped it?
We've tried and we put limitson it.
yeah, we haven't for certainthings but we've done, and we
know, and we realize that it'slike, at some point, the health
of those individuals that wewould be building is going to be
compromised.
Sure, okay, and one of thethings that I've looked at with
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those species when they thrived,whenever that was thousands of
years ago okay, I'm not goingdown the millions road Thousands
of years ago, what did they eat, what did they live on, what
did they survive on, or whatdidn't they?
So we're actually possiblyintroducing something at some
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point that we would put into theenvironment that we can't even
support.
Goodness knows, right now, ourenvironment's a heck of a lot
different than what it was then.
Right, okay, no matter how longago that was.
So are we doing a disservice tonot only that, I'm just going
to call it a fake species, thatfake species?
(19:10):
Are we doing them a disserviceby possibly, at some point,
introducing them to something?
We don't know what they ate,but we know that the dogs that
they came out of eat cow orwhatever they do they eat cows?
right, they eat everythingwhatever they eat, right, you
know.
So the idea is is that I justmy concern level rises with the
(19:34):
same thing that you just said,John.
Was that why?
It's the why of, like there'sso many other things that we
could use the science for andthey have.
I'm not saying they haven'tdone that, but I think that
we're still far away from somany things that we could use
that science for somethingbetter.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I think that full disclosure.
I don't want a T-Rex walking inmy front yard.
I don't think that's a goodidea at all.
I don't think it's neat oranything.
Chuck lies, he told me he haddreams about it last night.
But I think the ethics aroundthis genetic manipulation and
being able to recreate or dewhat do you call it?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
De-extinction.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
De-extinction of these different species or
animal lines.
It's got me a bit curious.
But I just wonder, if there isa positive spin on some of this
genetic manipulation, what goodcan come from it?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I do think that there is, and I think that, at
least when I think of itinitially in my head, what I
think of is the ability todevelop, whether we call it
medications, whether we call itnutrition, whether we call it
something that would helpcertain people with ailments
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that they have.
I can't really generalize it anymore than that, and I think
that that is an important thing,especially considering how big
pharma has money beyond what wecan even fathom.
Right, yeah, huge amount, and Ithink that and I'm not saying
that this wouldn't be huge money, because it obviously would be,
but I think that there are atleast potentially helpful ways
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and positive ways that you coulduse the technology.
That's what I'm saying.
I guess that's what I'm gettingat is that I don't know that
bringing back dire wolf pups isthe idea to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I would agree what do we need a woolly mammoth for?
I mean, like, literally, is itcool to look at?
Okay, yeah, it's cool.
Now, the thing about the woollymammoth that's funny they have
a lot more DNA of a woollymammoth than they had of the
dire wolf, because they havealmost an entire I don't want to
say an entire, but a very largeportion of a carcass of a
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woolly mammoth.
Oh, wow, Like they have a lotthat was frozen.
Yeah, yeah, like they have aton more than they had for the
dire wolf.
Okay, so the ability togenotype and do that is, you
know, like you said, I don'tknow if I want a T-Rex walking
through my front yard.
It's like, well, what are wegoing to do with that?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean literally, does it just go in a zoo?
So now we've got all theseother things right, and I'm not
saying the people are wrong, butthat people that aren't
particularly happy about animalsin captivity, which I
understand that too.
What are you going to do withit?
What are you going to do?
Just let the dire wolves outand run around through Missouri
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and Iowa and killing cattle anddoing stuff?
Whatever they're doing, I don'tknow what they do.
Who knows what they do?
We weren't around when theywere around.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
How old is the dire wolf?
How old is that dire wolf?
How old is that species?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
it's been oh it's thousands, I mean they're, I
don't even know.
Sometimes those years chuckthey.
They don't, I don't guess at ityeah, they wouldn't say they're
guessing at it, but I Istruggle with that.
Yeah, I struggle with the timeof even carbon dating.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
sometimes I struggle with that Is there a value to
life question when you thinkabout extinction.
So, like when you think aboutcurrent species that are on the
endangered list, what is ourconcern with?
Preserving their existence inthe first place, which is kind
of the opposite side of thisde-extinction right?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And I think that there's something to that,
especially when their extinction, or the possibility of it, is
because of something that manhas done, or that man has
created buildings or cities orwhatever it is.
If we are trying to preservecertain species and we can use
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that science to help with that,I think it's.
I think it's a good idea, Imean, especially if we're the
ones that displaced them youknow what I mean I mean, I guess
that's the way I look.
I mean, every time that I driveby, I love farm fields and I
love open country and I lovemountains and I love these
things but it's like every timeI drive by, I love farm fields
and I love open country and Ilove mountains and I love these
things but it's like every timeI drive by and I see a for sale
sign up on one of them, I'm like, oh yeah, because you just have
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a feeling and I'm not.
You know, if you're a developer, don't take this the wrong way.
It's.
It's just the idea that we'rereplacing something that has
inherent life in it, and thepossibility is that we're
killing stuff off when we do it.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean yeah, and that bothers me.
Yeah, john, you've been prettyquiet.
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I agree that you know we should try to be
conservative with our resourcesand keep things around if they
are supposed to be around.
But there's a natural order tothings, are a bit of an invasive
(25:18):
species that we have createdspaces for ourselves and taken
spaces from animals that uh,maybe aren't, are not able to
live in our.
You look at, look at bears.
Bears are becoming more andmore prevalent in urban areas
because we've invaded in theirspace.
(25:38):
And not a bad thing, I guess.
But we just have to be carefulwith the resources we have here,
and that includes our animalsand those kinds of things.
I I don't think bringing a direwolf back or bringing something
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back that has gone extinct whenthe world was a different place
is a good idea.
And just to answer yourquestion, about 10,000 years ago
, the last ice age is when direwolves were around.
That's a different time in ourworld.
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Our world is just differentfrom where it was.
So I think we have better usesfor that technology.
I think that just because wecan doesn't mean we should.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
It's kind of like this.
I don't know if there was thismovie you ever saw.
It was called Never Cry Wolf.
It was a Disney movie back inthe day, but it was about a guy
who went up and did a studybecause the caribou were being
depleted, okay.
And he went up and everybodythought it was because of the
wolves, all right.
(27:01):
So he did a study on it.
He was going through and theidea was is that the wolves
weren't extincting them?
The wolves were taking down theweak ones, oh sure, and there
were hunters that were actuallydoing the rest, but they just
didn't know about it.
It was up in Alaska, theydidn't know.
So it was an interesting takeon the idea that you know part
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of it's us for some of thatextinction.
I mean recently, obviously, butquote-wise, you know, finding a
quote about genetics,challenging you know there a
quote about genetics.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
A little challenging.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know there's a lot, but there was a quote that
I found that I thought wasinteresting and it was by Mary
Claire King.
She's an American geneticistwho's still alive today, but she
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did a lot of work with geneticresearch, with breast cancer,
okay, and the quote is we arenot just our genes, but we are
the product of our genes and ourenvironment.
We use that in a lot ofdifferent ways.
You know we use that ineducation.
We do that all the time.
That is about is it just bornor bred?
Right right, I mean literally.
You know that's a discussionall in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Or nurture.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean that's cool when you think about it
that way, because I think itopens the whole realm of ideas
to say, hey, you know, this ispossible, this is possible, this
is possible, but again, do weneed to go there?
I just think that it deservestalk, it deserves consideration,
if you want to careful.
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And here's the other part.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna drop thisdime at the end.
I'm just dropping this one atthe end.
All right, let's go.
All right, do, did whateveranimals all, no matter what they
were dire wolves orTyrannosaurus rex, do they have
a soul?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Hmm, hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Hmm, interesting, interesting question.
We'll leave that one in the airbecause we're coming to the end
of this episode.
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Speaker 2 (29:27):
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Good guys, peace out fellas.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Hey have a great one.
Thanks for hanging out with ushere at half century.
Hang out, see you be good.
Welcome back to Half Century Hangout.
And we're here in Luke's garageagain.
And what's been going on here,gentlemen?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gentlemen, I haven't been called a gentleman since
you told me I look like that guyfrom yeah, from the Gentleman
on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh, that was.
That was something.
It took me a while to figurethat out.
The Half Century part reallycame to play.
Sure did, really came to play.
I'm like Chuck, you're killingme, I cannot remember who you
look like, but that's what itwas.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You guys may or may not know this about me.
Oh boy, I used to do baseballsort of fantasy league, when I
was a kid and you'd have torecord everything from the
newspaper.
It's like all the hits fromyour players and stuff that you
chose, all those types of things.
You'd have to record them fromthe newspaper and all the hits
from your players and stuff thatyou chose, all those types of
things.
You'd have to record them fromthe newspaper and figure out
(00:49):
everything like by writing itdown they didn't have anything
else to do in ohio they didn't.
And here's what happened I gotsuper butt hurt whenever that's
funny, oh, that is funny whenwas the strike?
In 98 or 99?
Uh, whenever the strike was I'mnot a big baseball.
(01:09):
I'm done either I'm done withwith baseball and I didn't
really watch it until maybe 2018, 2019 really you didn't watch
mcguire and sosa no, well, thatwas in the 90s, before that was
before the strike, before theyeah, yeah that was.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
There was a strike before that, then too.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Not like the one in 98 where they didn't have a
World Series.
I only think they had a season.
Wow, yeah, I was not a happycamper.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I've always been a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, but it's
because I like the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Big red machine.
Go all the way, absolutelyCincinnati.
Go all the way, absolutelyCincinnati yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Reds Tigers.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Tigers Detroit.
Gotta love that, you know 68was a great year.
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Lots of influential people and very historical
things happened in 1968.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And who was born in 1968?
.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yours truly.
Hey, isn't that?
Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Tigers won the World Series, that would be Luke and
the roar of 84.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is that what that's?
When they won again when Gibbywas on the team and all those
guys Roar of 84.
Beat the Padres.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What year was it where the St Louis Cardinals and
the Kansas City Royals were inthe World Series and they called
?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
it.
I was just the I-35.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No I-44.
No.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I-70.
I-70.
Yeah, i-70 Series, that's right, was that 86?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I thought it was yeah .
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Somewhere in there.
I think I was.
I might have been in college.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Who's the baseball team from St Louis?
I might have been in college.
Who's the baseball team from StLouis, the Cardinals, cardinals
.
Are they inviting them to votefor the new Pope?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Those Cardinals?
Oh no, it's only anybody under80.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure there might be.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Arizona Cardinals too .
They probably started a littlebit before they might be.
I think it would be fun ifmcguire shows up in his cardinal
uniform.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
yeah, you know that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, I'm a cardinal do they know who uh like is
who's in the running for the?
How's that even work?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
they don't campaign.
Yeah, yeah, you know the uh thedraft kings it not, it probably
could be.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I mean, I'd imagine I'd throw a number down on it.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But you know, the Cardinals all vote and, yes,
they somewhat, but they arebrought together in the Sistine
Chapel and they Is there alcoholinvolved and they I don't, I've
never, is there alcoholinvolved and they I don't.
I've never been there.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm not a cardinal so I don't know.
I think if there isn't, weshould institute that idea.
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's super secretive.
It is, and if you get caught,like disseminating the secrets
of the activities.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is there like a?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
smoke thing that goes with it, yep.
Or the activities of what'sgoing on.
Isn't there like a smoke thingthat goes with it, yep.
But if you get caught talkingabout what's going on inside the
Sistine Chapel at the timewhenever they're going through
all this, it's like you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So they burn the ballots and the smoke comes out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And that's when you know that White.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
If they've reached a decision.
And it's black If they stillhave to talk about it.
I think that's it.
How do they color the smoke?
Well, they have cartridges.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I would imagine there's something in there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I read about this yesterday.
They actually have cartridgesthat they put in there.
Interesting, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But that whole process is fascinating.
Well, francis was the one whotook the top off the Popemobile.
I saw that.
Yeah, he was the one thatinstituted that because it was
closed in there for a while.
Now it was back open for him.
We'll see what the new guy does.
I was driving the other day,coming back from a little town a
little north of us, and I couldhave sworn.
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I saw a dire wolf runningacross the field.
Dire wolf, whoa those thingshave not been around in decades.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Years, no, like centuries millennia yeah, long
time.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think we should chat about this.
Let's go.
So what's?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
going on with the dire wolf.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, let's explain first what the dire wolf is.
Well, that's what I'm going tosay.
Is that?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
what I want to say is that, by looking through it and
seeing what has been done, I'mgoing to call it a gray wolf
with dire wolf characteristics.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, okay, because they had.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
you know when you I mean, we could do this deep dive
and I could, you know, look atmy phone and pull up all sorts
of fancy words and stuff butbasically there's a percentage
of DNA that you would need togenetically create something.
And I hate to use that wordcreate because that's a whole
other issue.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
sometimes You've got to have live DNA, right?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But they had quite a bit.
There was a percentage that wasthere and there's so many
helixes that they need or such apercentage of things that they
need.
So they then used what theythey used as the gray wolf that
was the main genotype that theyused used the other dna that
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they went through from thefossils that they have and the
things that they have the teethand the bones and the things
that they have.
I think it was a tooth I thinkit was a tooth and they used
that to then implement some ofthose other characteristics.
Took those, what do we want tocall them embryos?
We can take those and theyplanted them into two dogs, more
(06:44):
or less.
We can take those and theyplanted them into two dogs, more
or less.
So I don't know if you guysprobably everybody has seen the
videos at some point of thosedire wolves howling.
Okay, my viewpoint is is that,as I look at it, and they're
calling it the de-extinction.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Which, again, we're going to touch on that a little
bit, because that word scares mea little bit.
Okay, we can get the obviousout.
We've all seen Jurassic Park,we've all seen these things
right, and I don't know thatwe're at that level.
But I think that when you, whenyou go through this and you
look at it, where do they gofrom here?
Yeah, and what is the purposeof the idea?
(07:28):
And I have, I have an answerfor that, but I want you guys to
think about that what's thepurpose of the de-extinction?
What's the name of the company?
Again, I forgot the name of thecolossal.
Colossal is the name of thecompany that did it.
Okay, so let's throw thegovernment thing out of it for a
minute, because it's notgovernment funded, it's not
something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, it's all private, it's private.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But what's your thought on it?
On just the process of thewe'll call it the de-extinction
of species.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, it's kind of like asking the question if we
can right, Should we?
And de-extinction, bringinganimals back into the biome, the
earth, how does that affectwhere we are?
(08:22):
If we got dire wolves and webring them back and we put them
into the environment, how doesthat affect the environment?
Is that a good thing?
Is that a bad thing?
Yeah, Woolly mammoths isanother thing that they're
looking at Right now they're atthe mouse level.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
From what I've read, the woolly mouse.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
From what I read, they're looking at maybe 28
attempting that de-extinction.
But to your point, I think it'sinteresting concept to kind of
try to wrap your heads aroundand I would say I would be for
the de-extinction of thesedifferent things, simply because
(09:09):
we don't know what they aregoing to do.
We don't know what I mean,we've never experienced them.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm not sure that we are ready, able, and you know,
these animals went extinct for areason.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I was just going to say that.
You just took the words rightout of my mouth, John.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And you change because of the environment that
you're in.
You can think about history,okay.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, in history that science looks at in history
that maybe that you have a mixof religion and science, history
changes, right?
People look at it a little bitdifferently.
Obviously, the millions andbillions of years thing comes
(10:03):
into different things and youthink about things in a little
bit different manner.
But, like John said, there's areason somehow.
Now, sometimes it's man-made,sometimes these species went
extinct because of man, which Iget Okay, but there's others
that, according to what sciencewould tell us, went extinct
(10:27):
before man was really theirenemy or whatever you want to
call it, this dire wolf, and yousaid why.
You know, just because we can,should we right?
The idea is that this companyColossal places these dire wolf
pups on the thing of Game ofThrones.
(10:48):
There's a reason that thecompany would do this.
I mean it's money.
They're trying to promote whatthey're going to do, not only
just now but in the future.
I mean they're building theirbrand or whatever you want to
say right, but the dire wolf.
(11:09):
I want you to think about this.
I don't know if you know, doyou know how big these things
were?
They're like they're.
They're four foot at theshoulder.
Yeah, that's a, that's a bigwolf, I'm just saying, I mean
like you see wolves or you seecoyotes now you see things like
you know, they're not nearlythat big, obviously and the idea
that you're de-extinctingpredators and, like you said and
(11:35):
you said this and I was so gladyou said it we don't know what
they'll do that to me is alittle bit of a red flag, that
you know what, we don't knowwhat they'll do.
We have no idea.
And how do we know?
If we got them to the pointthat they were able to, let's
just say, replicate, reproduce,whatever it was, how do we know
(11:58):
we would be able to contain it?
How do we know that we would?
How do we know?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you really don't.
You really don't.
But to like the whole idea thatthey're extinct for a reason, I
don't know that that'snecessarily true.
We don't know why they wentextinct.
Some people think it could havebeen because of a cataclysmic
event asteroid hitting the earth, so it wasn't like they weren't
able to survive, or thesurvival of the fittest, or
(12:25):
anything like that.
It could have been that therewas an event that happened that
took them out right, and theother species weren't affected
by that particular cataclysmicevent because it didn't happen
in their part of the world.
I'm not sure, but I don't knowthat it's definitive to say that
they are extinct for aparticular reason.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, but in your thing it would be that
cataclysmic event, whatever thatis caused, their demise, their
extinction, that's still thereason that they were okay.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Now, the reason might have been something else.
Maybe it was disease.
Maybe it was something elsemight have been something else
Maybe it was disease.
Maybe it was something else.
I mean, we don't know that, butthis is where, when we look at
these things, what otherinfluence was there for those
species to go extinct?
What other influence can wetalk about?
(13:22):
I mean, we can talk about a lotof things of what the possible
influence could have been.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So I have an axolotl in my office right.
His name is Jeff.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I thought it was Axel Foley.
No, that's the guitar player.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
The axolotl in the wild is actually an endangered
species, because they're prettystupid.
Really they're not very smart.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Wait till I tell Jeff this tomorrow.
I know, don't tell him that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But they're not a very smart species, but within
captivity they've thrivedbecause people breed them and
there's no threat against them,right?
So all that to say that I thinkthere are certain species even
today that are going extinct orthat are on the endangered
species because they were eitheroverhunted or Well, there's
(14:12):
definitely, there's a human.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and there's definitely obviously there's
species that couldn't survive,whatever it happened to be
whether it was another predatoror whether it was the ability
for the land that they were onto survive.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Or to sustain there.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And you know, we can go into biblical right.
I mean, there was a flood right.
There was a giganticcataclysmic event that occurred
and from what we've read, fromwhat we know, that was a pretty
large thing.
Right, and somebody made thedecision that there was some
that would survive and some thatwouldn't.
Right, and somebody made thedecision that there was some
that would survive and some thatwouldn't right.
(14:50):
So I think that when we look atit, like we're talking about
this in the broad form ofgenetic manipulation right,
genetic manipulation has done alot of great things as far as
medicine goes, as far astreatments for other things for
humans and different stuff, witheven genetic manipulation is in
(15:10):
our plants and farms use it.
You know all sorts of differentthings on different forms of
genetic manipulation, right?
So I think there's realpositive things that we can do
with it.
My concern is is that what arewe actually using it for?
And, like you said, even thoughyou didn't mean to say it this
(15:32):
way, are we ready for the result?
Because maybe you're tappinginto something that we're not
ready for, like we don't knowthat we're ready.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Could you imagine going hunting for a T-Rex?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
No no, I haven't had enough time finding a deer.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I think a T-Rex no.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
They haven't had enough time finding a deer.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I think a T-Rex would be hunting you.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of Idon't want velociraptors running
around.
It's like literally, it's likewhat?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
is our end game with it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What do we?
What do we?
We've seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The guy was on the crapper Really.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I mean, that's what I'm saying and I know it's funny
and I know it's like.
You know it's Hollywood andthey play things, but you know
what?
They came up with ideas for areason right Like to get
people's you know, yeah, I meanliterally, and it is.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's a very curious subject.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's a very curious subject, no matter what, but I
think that part of it goes to somany different things that are
happening right now, like I mean, I'll just throw it out there,
like AI or even chat, gpt, forthat matter, like these things
that are happening, that I thinkwe have to be careful with how
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we're using it and why.
If it's just a money gram, likeif that's really what it is like
if it's just colossal, sayinghey, we can do this and we're
going to do it because it's cool, yeah, the problem with that is
they might achieve their goalof being infinitely wealthy and
(17:07):
for their investors and whoeverelse, but it affects the rest of
us one way or the other, someway it's going to, the way it
could affect us is you'reputting something into the
environment that isn't in theenvironment now and maybe isn't
supposed to be in theenvironment.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And why are you doing it?
Because you're curious, becausethere's scientific ability to
do it, or because you want toconserve the endangered species?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Why are you doing it?
Think of it this way.
Think of it this way.
Do we have the ability,scientifically, okay, do we have
the ability to build and growbetter athletes?
Do we have the ability?
How?
Steroids, oh, human growthhormone, sure, but have we
(18:03):
stopped it?
We've tried and we put limitson it.
yeah, we haven't for certainthings but we've done, and we
know, and we realize that it'slike, at some point, the health
of those individuals that wewould be building is going to be
compromised.
Sure, okay, and one of thethings that I've looked at with
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those species when they thrived,whenever that was thousands of
years ago okay, I'm not goingdown the millions road Thousands
of years ago, what did they eat, what did they live on, what
did they survive on, or whatdidn't they?
So we're actually possiblyintroducing something at some
(18:49):
point that we would put into theenvironment that we can't even
support.
Goodness knows, right now, ourenvironment's a heck of a lot
different than what it was then.
Right, okay, no matter how longago that was.
So are we doing a disservice tonot only that, I'm just going
to call it a fake species, thatfake species?
(19:10):
Are we doing them a disserviceby possibly, at some point,
introducing them to something?
We don't know what they ate,but we know that the dogs that
they came out of eat cow orwhatever they do they eat cows?
right, they eat everythingwhatever they eat, right, you
know.
So the idea is is that I justmy concern level rises with the
(19:34):
same thing that you just said,John.
Was that why?
It's the why of, like there'sso many other things that we
could use the science for andthey have.
I'm not saying they haven'tdone that, but I think that
we're still far away from somany things that we could use
that science for somethingbetter.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I think that full disclosure.
I don't want a T-Rex walking inmy front yard.
I don't think that's a goodidea at all.
I don't think it's neat oranything.
Chuck lies, he told me he haddreams about it last night.
But I think the ethics aroundthis genetic manipulation and
being able to recreate or dewhat do you call it?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
De-extinction.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
De-extinction of these different species or
animal lines.
It's got me a bit curious.
But I just wonder, if there isa positive spin on some of this
genetic manipulation, what goodcan come from it?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I do think that there is, and I think that, at
least when I think of itinitially in my head, what I
think of is the ability todevelop, whether we call it
medications, whether we call itnutrition, whether we call it
something that would helpcertain people with ailments
(20:55):
that they have.
I can't really generalize it anymore than that, and I think
that that is an important thing,especially considering how big
pharma has money beyond what wecan even fathom.
Right, yeah, huge amount, and Ithink that and I'm not saying
that this wouldn't be huge money, because it obviously would be,
but I think that there are atleast potentially helpful ways
(21:23):
and positive ways that you coulduse the technology.
That's what I'm saying.
I guess that's what I'm gettingat is that I don't know that
bringing back dire wolf pups isthe idea to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I would agree what do we need a woolly mammoth for?
I mean, like, literally, is itcool to look at?
Okay, yeah, it's cool.
Now, the thing about the woollymammoth that's funny they have
a lot more DNA of a woollymammoth than they had of the
dire wolf, because they havealmost an entire I don't want to
say an entire, but a very largeportion of a carcass of a
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woolly mammoth.
Oh, wow, Like they have a lotthat was frozen.
Yeah, yeah, like they have aton more than they had for the
dire wolf.
Okay, so the ability togenotype and do that is, you
know, like you said, I don'tknow if I want a T-Rex walking
through my front yard.
It's like, well, what are wegoing to do with that?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean literally, does it just go in a zoo?
So now we've got all theseother things right, and I'm not
saying the people are wrong, butthat people that aren't
particularly happy about animalsin captivity, which I
understand that too.
What are you going to do withit?
What are you going to do?
Just let the dire wolves outand run around through Missouri
(22:43):
and Iowa and killing cattle anddoing stuff?
Whatever they're doing, I don'tknow what they do.
Who knows what they do?
We weren't around when theywere around.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
How old is the dire wolf?
How old is that dire wolf?
How old is that species?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
it's been oh it's thousands, I mean they're, I
don't even know.
Sometimes those years chuckthey.
They don't, I don't guess at ityeah, they wouldn't say they're
guessing at it, but I Istruggle with that.
Yeah, I struggle with the timeof even carbon dating.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
sometimes I struggle with that Is there a value to
life question when you thinkabout extinction.
So, like when you think aboutcurrent species that are on the
endangered list, what is ourconcern with?
Preserving their existence inthe first place, which is kind
of the opposite side of thisde-extinction right?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And I think that there's something to that,
especially when their extinction, or the possibility of it, is
because of something that manhas done, or that man has
created buildings or cities orwhatever it is.
If we are trying to preservecertain species and we can use
(23:58):
that science to help with that,I think it's.
I think it's a good idea, Imean, especially if we're the
ones that displaced them youknow what I mean I mean, I guess
that's the way I look.
I mean, every time that I driveby, I love farm fields and I
love open country and I lovemountains and I love these
things but it's like every timeI drive by, I love farm fields
and I love open country and Ilove mountains and I love these
things but it's like every timeI drive by and I see a for sale
sign up on one of them, I'm like, oh yeah, because you just have
(24:21):
a feeling and I'm not.
You know, if you're a developer, don't take this the wrong way.
It's.
It's just the idea that we'rereplacing something that has
inherent life in it, and thepossibility is that we're
killing stuff off when we do it.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean yeah, and that bothers me.
Yeah, john, you've been prettyquiet.
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I agree that you know we should try to be
conservative with our resourcesand keep things around if they
are supposed to be around.
But there's a natural order tothings, are a bit of an invasive
(25:18):
species that we have createdspaces for ourselves and taken
spaces from animals that uh,maybe aren't, are not able to
live in our.
You look at, look at bears.
Bears are becoming more andmore prevalent in urban areas
because we've invaded in theirspace.
(25:38):
And not a bad thing, I guess.
But we just have to be carefulwith the resources we have here,
and that includes our animalsand those kinds of things.
I I don't think bringing a direwolf back or bringing something
(26:01):
back that has gone extinct whenthe world was a different place
is a good idea.
And just to answer yourquestion, about 10,000 years ago
, the last ice age is when direwolves were around.
That's a different time in ourworld.
(26:24):
Our world is just differentfrom where it was.
So I think we have better usesfor that technology.
I think that just because wecan doesn't mean we should.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
It's kind of like this.
I don't know if there was thismovie you ever saw.
It was called Never Cry Wolf.
It was a Disney movie back inthe day, but it was about a guy
who went up and did a studybecause the caribou were being
depleted, okay.
And he went up and everybodythought it was because of the
wolves, all right.
(27:01):
So he did a study on it.
He was going through and theidea was is that the wolves
weren't extincting them?
The wolves were taking down theweak ones, oh sure, and there
were hunters that were actuallydoing the rest, but they just
didn't know about it.
It was up in Alaska, theydidn't know.
So it was an interesting takeon the idea that you know part
(27:23):
of it's us for some of thatextinction.
I mean recently, obviously, butquote-wise, you know, finding a
quote about genetics,challenging you know there a
quote about genetics.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
A little challenging.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know there's a lot, but there was a quote that
I found that I thought wasinteresting and it was by Mary
Claire King.
She's an American geneticistwho's still alive today, but she
(27:56):
did a lot of work with geneticresearch, with breast cancer,
okay, and the quote is we arenot just our genes, but we are
the product of our genes and ourenvironment.
We use that in a lot ofdifferent ways.
You know we use that ineducation.
We do that all the time.
That is about is it just bornor bred?
Right right, I mean literally.
You know that's a discussionall in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Or nurture.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean that's cool when you think about it
that way, because I think itopens the whole realm of ideas
to say, hey, you know, this ispossible, this is possible, this
is possible, but again, do weneed to go there?
I just think that it deservestalk, it deserves consideration,
if you want to careful.
(28:38):
And here's the other part.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna drop thisdime at the end.
I'm just dropping this one atthe end.
All right, let's go.
All right, do, did whateveranimals all, no matter what they
were dire wolves orTyrannosaurus rex, do they have
a soul?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Hmm, hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Hmm, interesting, interesting question.
We'll leave that one in the airbecause we're coming to the end
of this episode.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, we do want to know what you think.
100%, man.
If you want to get back with us, leave a comment on our
Facebook or leave a comment inthe message section of the
podcast review.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Send us a messenger on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It doesn't matter, we will send you some swag.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We'd love to get some listener feedback.
Do you think animals have asoul?
Does your pet have a soul?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
All right, chomp chomp Sounds.
Good guys, peace out fellas.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Hey have a great one.
Thanks for hanging out with ushere at half century.
Hang out, see you be good.
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