ST5 Teaser Trailer Reactions | Part 1 - Ham Radio: A Stranger Things Podcast

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And welcome back everyone to another episode of Ham Radio, a
Stranger Things podcast. On today's episode, we will be
talking about the new promotional poster we got for
Season 5 and the new teaser trailer and production stills
that just dropped. And we've gotten so many

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teasers, it's hard to keep track, you know?
Yeah, I know. It was like, you know, you and I
were talking the other day, thatseems like it was just yesterday
that we got the date announcement Deezer at the Dome
and. And here we are with our actual
first, like real, real, real true.
Look at it's season 5. It's just, yeah.

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It's wild. It feels like we we get nothing
and then we get a whole bunch ofstuff all at once.
OK, so in this new poster we getthe tagline, which is one last
adventure. I thought it was interesting
they put a period at the end of that because they they normally
don't, but I guess because it's the final season.
Yeah, I guess so. I hadn't really noticed that
before, but yeah, they, they didput a period behind it and yeah,

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they normally don't do that. So it's crazy.
Also the lettering was a little bit smaller I felt like than the
normal or maybe that's just, I don't know, it's just me, but I
don't know something about like the lettering itself like looked
a little bit smaller than they normally do.
Yeah, I think it is a little bitsmaller.
I guess maybe because they wanted to fit like both logos,

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the premiere dates and the the tagline, but they could make the
tagline bigger. So I don't know if in something
or OK so on the poster created by the great Kyle Lambert, who
those of you don't know does allof the poster work and as well
as merchandising art for the show, we've got Beckman's face
looming over our heroes in the sky above them in red.

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His right eye and face is clear,but the left eye is not, which
makes me wonder if his left eye was damaged when Nancy and
company shot him and set him on fire in season 4.
He's got horns coming out of theright side of his face.
I didn't catch that the first time around.
I didn't notice until Ashley said something to me about it.
But as confirmed in the teaser, Vecna has horns coming out of

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his back and presumably his his face.
Now he's got horns. He's horny.
OK, that was bad. You would be OK with it?
I almost I almost did it. I just like, I almost didn't.
I almost didn't, but I was like,if I don't, I have let a very

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good joke go to waste. I'm like, I just couldn't.
And I mean, he's been down therefor like like almost a decade
now. That is just the way it is, you
know. Yeah, well, we got that joke out
of the way. I can see the memes now.
What's like the season comes outand I'm sure we get more of his
back story and I'm sure there's gonna be a joke at some point

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when they the rest of the like the gang sees what like Henry
used to look like. He said he was an attractive guy
and then this happened and I canjust feel like Steve or somebody
making a joke. Like no wonder he's mad.
Like he used to look like that. Now he looks like this.
So we stuck down there a long time, you know, or somebody
making a joke about him being honey.

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I could see that being in the show.
Actually, I could see somebody making a joke.
Yeah, a little quip, I can see it too.
Does that tend to be their style, where they'll show you
something fantastical or scary and then make a quip or a joke
like that? Yeah, for sure.
And before we talk further aboutthis poster, I would just like

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to say that the first time I sawit, I actually thought it was
just fan art because it didn't like.
I don't know, at first glance itdidn't really look like.
I felt like something like in the past, and because there's
been a lot of fan art and stuff going around over the last year
and a half, at first I was thinking that I mean, that can't

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be that can't be the poster. But then I slowly started to
realize, oh, this is just a teaser poster, which was later
confirmed by Ross Duffer on his Instagram account.
But not that I, like, hated the poster.
Like, I think it's still a brilliant piece by Kyle Lambert.
But yeah, at first I thought I thought it was fan art.
I mean, to be fair, there's beena lot of fan art that uses these

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colors in a similar configuration.
I mean, I think if there'd been less time between 4:00 and 5:00,
like a year, this would have been like, Oh my God, supposed
to. But there has been a lot of art
where people took this idea and made a poster out of it.
Like I've seen a lot of stuff with Will in that kind of
configuration with those colors,like the blue and the red.

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So I feel like we're kind of at a promo stage now where no
matter what they give us visually, someone's probably
already thought of it because it's been so long.
Like it's been what, three yearsat this point.
So somebody out there has thought of it.
This is a show with the, you know, that reaches across the
world. There's only so many original

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ideas out there. Yeah, at this point, someone's
thought of everything. I think that's just kind of
where we're at in terms of the the promo.
So then we have in the foreground, we've got Will, Mike
L, Lucas and Dustin riding bikesalong the forest edge.
Will is at the front wearing a similar outfit to the one he was
wearing in Tizen One when he wasabducted, including a backpack.

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And the quarry can be seen behind him in the background.
I saw people on social media point that out.
I hadn't noticed that at first. We saw this outfit that was
wearing in the behind the scenesphoto where they share wheels,
new haircut, and basically teasers.
This seems to be a core outfit for him.
Elle is riding on the back of Mike Spike like she did in
season 1 and she's wearing the sweatpants outfit that we've

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seen her in in the behind the scenes photos.
Something I caught was that everything they're wearing here
and stuff we've previously been shows these appear to be core
outfits for the group with Alicelooking behind her at something
whereas all the other charactersare facing forwards.
Perhaps they're being chased by something.
I think it's interesting that the bike lights on, Will and
Dustin's bikes are on but Mike and Lucas's are not.

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Like they appear to have them. So the fact that only Wills and
Dustin's are on and they're at the front back of the group I
feel like could mean something. Yeah, and you're not the only
one, Jasmine. I've seen a lot of people
speculating about what that could mean.
I feel like it might have to do with something to do with L and
Max. I think that's kind of the

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connection there. That's like the first thing that
pops into, like, my mind about why that could be the case.
But or maybe they just felt like, or Kyle Lambert, whoever
was, you know, was responsible for the design of this teaser
poster, maybe felt like it wouldbe more symmetrical or

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something, I guess to have it that way or to show the whole
inverse of it all, like upside down versus right side up.
So you have that like displayed in the imagery even in the
teaser poster. But other than that, my interest
is definitely piqued about it. Yeah, mine too.
And from that podcast I listenedto where they interviewed Kyle
Lambert about his work on the show, he said that typically he

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gets the 1st 4 episodes and thatis what he bases the poster on.
And this is a teaser poster. So this could, and we know from
the post that Ross Stuffer made that the teaser mostly contains
stuff from Volume 1. So most likely the first 4
episodes. And they said doesn't contain
anything from Volume 7. So most likely, you know,

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Ashley, you know, I've talked about this off camera that most
likely the first 4 episodes a little bit from 5:00 and 6:00.
So if there is something to why the lights are on, it's likely
in the first volume. So I am curious because I could
have had all lights, no lights, just wheel at the front.
Yeah, I I am curious if if this does mean anything.

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And you brought up the thing about the quarry, which I, I
didn't know that either. And I also saw where people were
pointing that out. And still, even after they
pointed it out, I still like, ifnot have yet to been able to
really see the quarry in here. I mean, it doesn't mean that
it's not in there. I just I haven't been able to

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see it. But I think it did raise
something very interesting. You know, for me to ask, why do
you think if they are going backto the quarry this season, why
do you think they are like, no, it was a pretty big location in
season 1 and Mike jumped off theCliff up there and that's where

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Will's body quote, UN quote bodywas found.
So like in terms of, but we're speaking mostly more in terms of
Vecna and the Upside Down. Like what do you think is so
important this time around for them to go back to that?
Yeah, it says in question. So the query is that you have to
zoom in on it, but it is there. It's in front of where?

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So Willis the his bike light andthen in front of it is the the
quarry. I don't know, I feel like maybe
it could be on a fault line. Maybe there's something
underneath it, like maybe they got a swim into it to go get
something or we know there was Watergate in season 4.
So maybe there's another Watergate there because I mean,

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we'll, the real wheel wasn't a part of the Quarry store.
So that's what I was kind of thinking.
Or it could be symbolic, you know, about his journey.
We know that we're going back tohis abduction.
We're going to see scenes of himin the Upside Down.
We know we're going back to thatstoryline.

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It's possible we could be getting flashbacks of 11 as well
from that time. So it could be more symbolic in
that we're going back to that and we're getting flashbacks.
So it could be symbolic or therecould be something underneath
maybe. And I heard on the the end to
the Upside Down podcast when they were actually talking about

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the mucus wall from the day announcement Deezer, which is
also in this one. And they were speculating that
maybe this wall is like like at the quarry, like in the upside
down part of the quarry, which Ithink would be pretty cool.
So maybe, you know, that could be it, but it'll be interesting
to see for sure. Like did will actually go to the

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quarry when he was in the upsidedown.
Also quarry also has water in itand we know the upside down not
a big water fan. If we are going back to some
part of the quarry, do somethingwith that this season.
I'm very, very intrigued to whatthat's going to look like.
Yeah, me too. And I'm excited to see them

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revisit that part of the, the story because there was a lot
left up to the imagination there.
So I'm excited for them to go back to that.
And something else I've noticed if you zoom in is that the part
in the center where the the the lines converge, there's a part

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where all the gates converge andwhere that's where I think the
library should be. But it looks just like a big
gaping hole of red. So I don't know if the library
is sunk in there or, you know, is this completely topographical
or is this more symbolic of what's happening in the season?
Because part of it's bathed in that bluish light or part of

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it's in red. So I'll be curious, is this
symbolic or is this actually what's happened to Hawkins?
Yeah, those are kind of my thoughts too.
I mean, I, I'm leaning more towards symbolic right now
because to me it looks just likethat shot at the very end of
season 4 when they're all on thehillside.

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So right now I'm leaning more towards symbolic because, you
know, from the looks of it in the in the teaser, military
seems to kind of have the risk kind of covered now.
It doesn't mean that they can't open back up, you know, once
Vetna returns and all that. I mean, it doesn't mean that
can't happen. But for now, since this is the

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teaser poster and I'm assuming for Volume 1, I think it's
mostly meant there to be like symbolic to and also as a
refresher to be like, hey, this is like how season 4 ended.
And we're kind of picking back where we left off from from
that. And like, hey, you remember all
these riffs that opened and that, yeah, we're going to,
we're going to get into that in Volume 1.

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So that's kind of how I I've kind of.
Yeah, I, I tend to agree becauseyou can see the radio tower to
the right of Dustin in the shot and we know the radio station is
going to be a key set this season.
We have that shot in the teaser of the smoke coming up the the
radio tower. And we got a lot of it in the
behind the scenes photos and footage.

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And from what I can recall, there's never been a radio tower
in the skyline of Hawkins before.
And I feel like it's something that would be noticeable and it
seems disproportional to me. So I think probably the layout
here is probably more symbolic than it is literal in terms of
the topography of Hawkins. That's kind of where I'm leaning
as well. All right, and that brings us to

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our teaser breakdown. We're going to be going through
some of the highlights and some of the things that we found most
interesting out of this teaser is super jammed packed.
Whereas the previous two teasershad been around 2 minutes, this
one's around 3 minutes. So we start off with a shot of
Steve looking very hot in the WSQK radio van.

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He's wearing headphones, and he's winding a wheel that's
attached to the roof of the van that's connected to an antenna
on the outside. The van is parked outside the
radio station, and as Steve turns the wheel and listens, the
frequency numbers on the radio in the van behind him click up.
This is something that we come back through throughout the
teasers. As they commence the burn

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sequence, we see the numbers go up towards the very end.
So something I liked about this season, in addition to how hot
Steve looks when he pushes his hair back like that, is that
Steve appears to be doing more technical stuff here.
And I hope that means that we'releaving behind the whole dumb
jock thing from previous seasonsbecause, well, I, I got the joke

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in like the first couple of seasons.
By the time we got to three, I just felt like they were being
mean because Steve is not dumb and he's lots of skills that he
brings to the especially in season 4 where they continued
that. It didn't really make any sense.
Like Robin even gotten in on it or like Dustin did.
It's like the stuff he pointed out about back to being obsessed
with clocks or Eddie was in the boat in the boathouse when they

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came looking for him. He was right about the carousel
horse and the Russians, you know, being at the mall.
So he's smart. He notices things other people
don't, and he's not a dumb jock.He brings a lot to the table.
And as this show I think makes clear, you know, being book
smart isn't everything. Something that I like about
Steve's characters, he often points out the things that are

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more basic level, whereas and those are the key questions to
ask. Whereas a lot of the other
characters are so like Dustin and Nancy are so high level with
their thinking. It's like they've overthought it
and they're missing key details where Steve is usually the one
going, OK, look at this or I've heard that song before or where
where's the most logical place to hide on this boathouse, the
big ass boat? Like, well, you know, like why

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is this guy obsessed with clothes?
Those are the right questions tobe asking and they often stand
in for us as the audience as to what we should be looking at.
So I'm hoping they've, this means that they've, he's
involved in the action and the technical stuff and they've left
that behind because it, I don't know, I, I get they're trying to
like kind of maybe be a bit of ared herring or kind of mislead

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us by throwing humor into it andmake it seem like Steve's on the
wrong track. But Four Seasons have proven
Steve's on the right track. So that joke's gotten old.
I'm hoping this all means that they they've moved on from that
and that, you know, everyone is everyone that's part of the team
here is being respected for their contribution physically
and mentally. And that we've we've moved

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beyond the whole, was it the whole high school stereotypes as
as Dustin calls them and in Season 3.
Yeah, for sure. And honestly, just from the
looks of this teaser alone, it it does seem like literally
everyone is putting their foot forward the season, whereas in
the past I feel like it was, youknow, usually like three of

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three main ones, like 11 Nancy Hopper.
But it seems like this season, literally everyone it's pitching
in in some form fashion. The jury's still out on Max.
We unfortunately we haven't we still have yet to really
actually see see her, you know what I'm saying?

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But I did like the stuff I saw of Steve and this teaser
because, I mean, you're right, it it seems like, you know, he's
having fun doing this stuff. And it's like in the past he's
just all been jock type. But you know, now he's kind of
doing like more quote, UN quote,quote nerd stuff.
And I would have just loved to have seen the look on his face

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when maybe, I don't know, Dustinor Mike or maybe Jonathan or
even Lucas were explaining to him how frequencies work and how
radio waves work and, like, whenit breaches 100 decibels, you
know? And I would just have loved to
seen the look on his face when they were trying to explain that
to him. I don't know if we're going to

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get a scene like that, but I mean, I'm just saying I can just
visualize the look on his face of like, OK, yeah, very good to
see him with with the technology.
I think it's I feel like it's it's definitely a completely
different look for him then we've really ever seen the past
because like you said, like in the past Four Seasons, I mean,

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he feels like he's just mostly been in a lot of action
sequences and stuff. But here in this teaser, he
seems to be like, I mean, kind of tone down a little bit in
terms of the action stuff. He seems more of it as part of
the investigation investigative side of things.
So yeah, I'm, I'm really looking, I'm really, really

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looking forward to that. Yeah, me too.
And I kind of wonder if because the military is there, that's
taking a lot of the action sequences, so the rest of the
gang is more on investigative side because of that or maybe.
Ellen Hopper have more of the action in this, and everyone
else is kind of working more behind the scenes.
And I'm really excited to see, you know, what his role is this

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season. And yeah, you're right, it
sounds like everyone except for Max, who's obviously been
hospitalized, is pitching in. Everyone's doing their part.
And that apparently includes Jonathan, which is nice
considering that he didn't really contribute much the plot
last season. And I saw someone point out that
that this is his first time intothe Upside Down, that Four

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Seasons in Jonathan's never beento the Upside Down.
And so Season 5 will be like wasbasically the only chance for
him to go. And now he's going and I'm like,
oh, like until someone pointed that out, I hadn't noticed that
was like, Oh yeah, he's never, he's never been down there.
He's never been down there. That's cool.
And that should be interesting and interesting his reaction

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when he finally does get down there, because it's it's an
experience being down there for sure.
And I'm glad to see everyone is is pitching in.
Everybody seems to be doing their part.
And there seems to be more of a mutual respect vibe to what's
going on in this teaser versus past seasons where you had, I
know they were trying to do Comic Relief, but it always felt

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like somebody wanted being the butt of the joke, which I didn't
love. Like that made sense when
everybody was supposed to be like a stereotype back in season
1. And season 2 was a continuation
of season 1. And I got that.
But then we got to three and I was kind of like, is this
necessary? This feels mean.
Like we don't need to make someone the butt of the joke
here, guys. It's not actually the 80s.
We've moved on from this in reallife.

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Like so I'm I'm happy to see everyone's like participating
and there seems to be more of a,a mutual respect and going on
here. Yeah.
And the only thing I wanted to say about Steve in this teaser
is there's another really good scene of Steve that I really
liked and appreciated in this teaser because I feel like it

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shows like even more of growth from Steve.
And that was the frame of him hugging Dustin and some sort of
comfort. And I know the a lot of like,
you know, the talk of the town on the Internet and stuff is why
is Dustin crying? And I understand that, but I
understand that part of the speculation.

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But I'm over here like, but lookat Steve hugging Dustin and
comforting him. And that's, I don't recall us
ever in Four Seasons of the showso far, ever seeing Steve
display such affection or, you know, or comfort for someone
else. I mean, season 4, he's there,

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he's comforting Nancy for a goodpart of that season.
Like when she comes back on the vision, he's there.
So he's comforting to Nancy likea whole bunch of times as well
as like season one that isn't more of like a romantic context.
So I guess it's the first time we see so him comfort somebody
else in a more a platonic way. And I saw a lot of comparisons

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online where people are gifting it and, you know, comparing the
scene where he, like, I think it's from 2, where he, you know,
kind of rustles Dustin's head. Like he put his hand on his
head. He's got his hat on.
He's got, like, rustling his hair underneath it when they're
doing stuff at the buyer's housewhile everyone else is going to

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deal with the exorcism of Will. And they compared that scene to
this scene and him, you know, comforting him.
You can tell from the the teasersaw that he's saying like, it's
OK and he's just happy that doesn't, you know, killing alive
and OK. And he's comforting him in a big
way. So yeah, I'd love that too.

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You know, Steve is a character who's continued to grow and grow
and change and evolve since season 1.
I mean, he's gone from a character who was supposed to be
a real jerk with no redeeming qualities to, you know, in my
opinion, the character with the best character development over
the course of the show. Definitely the one that changes
the most, I think because it starts off in a very like 1
dimensional place. He's just like this jock.

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And then it evolves over time into this like multifaceted
character, which is as many people have shared is to do with
Joe Carrie's acting that he dressed, you know, brought such
depth to the role that they werelike, oh man, we got to keep
this guy around. So I love his character.
He's my favorite character. Long time fans will know this.

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Love any development we get fromSteve.
Love his scene so much so. And I think his friendship with
Dustin is very sweet and how he's like a mentor for him,
especially since we don't know where Dustin's dad is at or
what's, you know, what's going on with that.
This is the main kind of male influence in Dustin's life.
And yeah, I found it very sweet.So I'm excited for this scene,

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too. I mean, obviously very
heartbreaking because something horrible has just happened that
Steve is comforting him over. But yeah, I'm excited for it
too. All right, the Next up, get the
Netflix and logo surrounded by vines and there are four
children's bicycles and snared in the vines.
I didn't catch this the first time around.
I only caught it once. I like slowed down the trailer,
but I thought that was interesting because we've had

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the normal Netflix logo before. We've had the one where you can
see the like the lightning and the Reds kind of background of
the smoke or like the creature noise.
We've had the vines before. We got that first season of
four, but this is the first timewhere there's like children's
bike like ensnared in it. And there were four of them I

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could count. So I don't know if that's
symbolic of something we obviously know Will went
missing. And you know, there's usually a
bicycle to symbolize that in allof the posters.
And we know that Holly and potentially Erica could go
missing this season. We don't know about a fourth
child, but there could be something symbolic there.

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So I'm, I'm curious to see if that if there winds up if
there's like something to do with the number four or if they
were simply just trying to show missing children, bikes, vines
connection, you know, try to puta through line there.
Yeah. And also like those vines are
like huge. They look like anacondas.
That was, that sounds weird, butthat was like the first thing

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that I thought of when I saw it was like they look like a bunch
of like black anacondas. Yeah, the vines have definitely
gotten bigger and thicker. It seems like they were evolving
and they seem more aggressive than I have before.
And I I think that's part of theevolution they're trying to
show. Like the Demogorgons, you and I
have talked about this. They seem more aggressive and

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more animated in this teaser than they did in past seasons.
And we got a little bit of that in Season 4 with the ones in
Russia. And I just thought they, they
were like the Russians are juicing them.
So like, God, they're like superDemogorgons.
But this teaser was full of super Demogorgons.
Like they're jumping around, they're leaping at people,
they're doing this, they're doing that.
They're it's basically like an aerobic show with these things.

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Like they're, they're jumping all over the place.
They're like really, really mobile.
And I think what they're trying to show us is that like this
stuff is evolving. You know, we saw in four the
upside down looks a lot different.
They did in one and that it's evolving and like these things
are juiced, the vines are getting thicker and more
aggressive. The hive mind is evolving and

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that's obviously makes it more dangerous as it gets more
powerful. So yeah, these these things look
way more deadly than they did inthe past and and they were never
not deadly. So that's concerning for our
heroes and everyone that lives in this poor town, man.
Then we have this scene at the radio station where we see the
van that Steve's in drive away and Lucas and Mike following

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behind on bikes. In one of the production stills
that was released to the media following this, we have a photo
of Mike and Lucas biking down a road at night wearing jackets
and camouflage vests, which could be from the the same scene
in the teaser. Behind them you can see what
looks like 11 standing in front of the radio station watching
them go. She's next to Nancy station

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wagon. We saw in a previous behind the
scenes shot that Joyce's car is also there and then beside them
is the, OR rather beside the caris the large radio tower we've
seen previous footage of. And I'll be honest, I did not
realize that 11 was in this shotuntil Ashley.
You pointed it out to me. Yeah, and the only reason I

(28:17):
picked it up is when I, you know, rewatched the teaser in
slow like 0.25 playback speed. That's the only reason I noticed
her. But I I absolutely, once I did
realize that she was in the background watching them leave,
you know, I was like, I was so thrilled because, you know,

(28:41):
that's normally like not what wesee with in terms of like Mike
and 11. Usually it's the opposite.
It's him watching her go off andit it reminds me like big
parallel of the scene in season 2 right before I wouldn't Hopper
and 11 are leaving to go to the lab and Mike is standing there
in front of the buyer's house watching her go and you know,

(29:02):
he's worried and stuff. And so I wonder if we'll get
some somewhat of a similar has seen there between Mike and 11
before he goes off to whatever form whatever.
I'm, I'm sure dangerous task he and Lucas and Steve are are
going off to do here. But yeah, I just, I loved, I

(29:24):
just loved the the inverse here.Yeah, and I, I feel like we will
get a, a parallel scene here. There seems to be a lot of
parallels going on in in this teaser.
You can see to to previous seasons.
So I feel like we will get a similar scene.
And you're right, it's like the reverse, where normally he's
watching her go off, but now it's her watching him.

(29:47):
And I think that's why she looksso terrified in, you know, one
of the following scenes where the lights start going off and
then flickering. I think that's why she looks so
terrified because Mike is out there.
And it appears that Hopper's outthere as well with whatever
they're doing with this controlled bird.
And it doesn't appear that Hopper is in this in like, he

(30:08):
seems like he's already in position, which means Elle and
Mike could share a moment without Hopper being like, hey,
let's go that. I mean that.
That'll be nice for them withouther, like dad interrupting every
two seconds, you know? Yeah, gives them a chance to be
young, love. Yeah, and I feel like Hopper
will be better with that this season.
I think him and Joyce finally getting together and his time in

(30:32):
in, you know, Russia obviously, I think softened him.
He clearly has a greater appreciation for his life and
his family and and everything coming back.
So, you know, we left that impression at the end of four
that, you know, that the little things used to bother him are
bothering him anymore. And I think he'll be much, you
know, with Mike and Mike and 11's relationship.

(30:55):
But still, it's nice for him to have a private moment where her
dad isn't like getting in the middle there, right?
From there, we segue into the controlled burn sequence.
So we go from the outside the radio station to a scene in a
basement that appears to be the basement of this radio station.
We've got Nancy and Robin sitting on a couch.
You can see the Pink Floyd poster from a previous behind

(31:17):
the scenes photo on the wall behind them.
There's a projector on the tablenext to them, which we've also
seen before. Then the other side of that is
11 and Will, who are sitting down.
As the camera pans over, we see Joyce sitting at a control
station with a microphone and wehear Mike's voice over saying
burn commencing in 5432. And we see Nancy look over Will

(31:41):
looking worried and then Ellen Will looking at each other with
word expressions. I really love the way Will is
framed here. There is a beam of light
illuminating his face and it's just really beautiful
cinematography. And I think season 5 visually is
going to look really stunning. Like it feels very cinematic
with these shots we're getting. And I remember Mya Hawk giving

(32:02):
an interview where she said thatit was like they were filming
these mini movies. And in season 4 that had to do
with the length where, you know,they were like the length of
movies. But I think what she might have
actually been referring to here is the cinematography, which
Boss would also refers to length.
Like it could be both. But the cinematography here just
feels really stunning. You could tell they've been

(32:23):
really careful with the shots. You know, it's almost like
angelic. It's kind of got this like
almost angelic religious sort ofmotif to it, the way it's
framed. And I'm just really excited to
see what Season 5 looks like visually because it just, it
looks really beautiful so far. Yeah, hands down.
I couldn't agree agree more withthat.
I mean, seasons, season 4's cinematography was great as

(32:44):
well, but this looks like it's going to, you know, really take
the cake on that. But yeah, I mean, and also they
did that for Max and her in the hospital for Aim for this teaser
and definitely for the one in Season 4.
So I feel like there is something to that other than
just, you know, just for 10 photography purposes because it,

(33:07):
you know, it looks good. I I do think they are trying to
send a message there with that. Maybe it's because of the
connection between Vecna that they both have me.
Yeah, I I didn't you and I have talked about this even with the
day announcement teaser, just how already like everything
looks so crisp and especially like with stuff on this teaser

(33:28):
like it's just going to be I mean it's just going to be so
incredible to watch just from the for the cinematography
alone. Absolutely, just watching how
beautiful this is going to be with the, you know, the shots
and the camera angles and the way things are framed and just
yeah, that alone. I think I think it should we're
in Emmys just for that alone because visually looks so

(33:49):
stunning and you can see how much care they've taken with it.
And they clearly had a a vision going in that they wanted to
bring to life. And I think that's going to be a
welcome change from 4, where there were definitely times
where it felt like it kind of meandered.
Like certain points you're like,Oh yeah, they had a clear
vision. But other points where it's
like, I don't, I feel like you, this feels like it's meandering.

(34:13):
I feel like there wasn't this clear vision here when you shot
this. Whereas in five, it seems like
everything is very deliberate. They had a very clear vision.
They mapped it out. They knew what points they
wanted to hit. They knew how they wanted to
look. They had a particular idea in
mind, and they worked with, you know, the actors, the crew,
everybody to bring it to life. So I'm really excited for that
part of it. All right, so then we've got

(34:34):
Lucas in what looks like a guardtower counting down from 5:00 to
4:00 with his left hand, as Mike's voiceover says 4.
He's wearing that white and red jacket we saw him in in the
behind the scenes photos, a bandana, a military style vest.
And he's using his trusty binoculars to look at something
and he puts me signaling somebody because he's counting
down with his one hand. And I've seen some really great

(34:54):
gift sets people have done wherethey show Lucas using his
binoculars throughout the season.
Weird. That was really cute.
Like I hadn't picked up on that.Was like, like, I think they're
the same binoculars. And we saw in season 4, they
brought back a lot of props fromlike seasons 1 and 2.
So it appears that they're like repeating props here.
And they've got Lucas with his trusty binoculars, which I love.

(35:17):
Yeah, and to this also this frame made me think of I believe
in season 1 when he when the boys are about to go like on the
mission to, you know, find Will and and he brought brought his
binoculars and all his dad stufffrom Nam.
And then like look at him. He's had he's having his own war
mission and with the camo and everything.

(35:38):
So I thought that was very unique call back there and in
the teaser. Yeah, me too.
And he looks good doing it. He's like chewing gum or
something. And he looks like very, like,
official. The other thing that struck me
was I was like, like, I was looking at these gift sets.
I was like, you know, the difference between playing
pretend when they were kids or not really even in season 1,
like you knew something bad had happened, but there was still

(36:01):
that childlike innocence about there's something happened to
Will, but it there's still a child like innocence there.
And they didn't really understand the scope of
everything. And just a comparison from that
child like innocence of like playing pretend and playing
soldier to actually having to be1 and living in like a real
wartime war zone situation was not lost on me.

(36:23):
And I feel like we're going to see a lot of parallels in season
5 going back to season 1. And you know the difference
between playing pretend or, you know, like not really knowing
what's going on and just that child like innocence to growing
up and having to deal with the real thing.
Yeah, and I'm for that too. And mean, it's kind of reminds

(36:43):
me of in Season 2 when Hopper, you know, when they're Dustin
showing him the DND manual and he's like, yeah, but this is
real life. And I feel like in Season 5,
they definitely for the first time ever, really and truly are
going to, you know, have that. It's going to be definitely more

(37:04):
like that real life scenario. This is this is real life now.
This is not. It wasn't like it was, you know,
four years ago when Will first went missing.
This alternate dimension is now bleeding literally into hours.
It's merged into hours. And, you know, it's it's not

(37:28):
play time anymore. Yeah.
That's it. It's like the reason hot Preso,
I was annoyed with them is he's like, this isn't a game.
Like, you know, when they're talking about Merkwood in Season
1 and Lucas is the one who's like the sentiment one in that
group there. So it's cool to see him take on
this serious like role here. But yeah, it's like it's not a

(37:50):
game. This stuff is real life.
Like it's a real investigation. This is this is real life.
This is not a game. And, you know, I think for the
first time, the characters are really going to feel that there
was always that kind of element to it, that they could just go
back to their normal lives in a way.
Like it was this horrible thing that happened.
But they go back to their normallives.
And I think this is the first time for all of them that that

(38:10):
just isn't happening. Like it's not, it's not a game.
Like this is their lives 24/7. And from what we know from the
synopsis, it's been like this for like a year by the time we
pick back up with them, like year, year and a half.
So not only is this this is their lives now, but it's been
this way for a while. So I think there's going to be a

(38:31):
lot of parallel storylines aboutthat journey of, you know, loss
of childhood innocence and growing up and having to deal
with real things in a way I feellike they they didn't have to
before. And then from there, we see some
kids in an underground bunker looking scared as the lights
above them flicker on and off. I feel like everyone in this
town would be triggered by flickering lights for like the

(38:52):
rest of their lives. Like man, the poor people live
in this town. I've also seen some people point
out online of the two kids the camera focuses on in this shot
look a lot like a young Vicky and a young Will, so definitely
feel like there might be some Will parallels.
They're not sure about Vicky, but I thought that was

(39:12):
interesting. Yeah, I mean, I didn't pick up
on that, but I mean, I obviouslydidn't notice all the special,
all the kids in here. And yeah, I mean, it is, I think
that's one of the scarier parts of this teaser is like knowing
that these people more than likely do not know why these
lights are flickering. And and so therefore they are

(39:34):
not prepared like our heroes arefor, you know, what's what's
coming here. And yeah, I mean, that's that
certainly is scary thought because I mean, we don't know
why the lights are flickering here and like either do these
people, which I think is probably the point from a
creative standpoint in terms of this teaser.
Because, you know, I mean, it could be I mean, this could be

(39:58):
back now or it could be them andall redeem a Corgan, we don't
know. But yeah, I mean, that was very
scary thought to, you know, whenyou think about like.
These these people, if they are about to meet their doom here,
they they literally don't know it because they don't simply

(40:20):
don't recognize the flickering, flickering lights are a warning
that trouble is is upon you and you need to like flee.
And the really sad part here is when I first watch this, I
thought it was just a general bunker, like there were kids in
there, but there were other adults and stuff when I slowed
it down. This is really heartbreaking.

(40:40):
But this appears to be a children's bunker.
Like it looks like there might be 1 adult in the background.
But since there it used to be mostly children in this bunker,
it makes me think either they'vegot like, you know, a few adults
looking after them or these could be orphan children.
But yeah, this is sadly a a children's bunker.
So this is just a bunker full ofscared kids, which is really

(41:04):
dark. And I feel like that kind of
tells you what the tone of this season is going to look like.
And yeah, it's heartbreaking. These are scared little kids.
I mean, the adults around them don't know what's going on
either. We don't know what kind of lies
they're being told by the government and whether they know
that they don't know that it's nonsense or not, They they don't
know what's really going on. So they they don't understand,

(41:25):
like you said, that that's a forewarning of something
horrible is about to happen. They just know that it's scary
and they don't like the lights are flickering.
They don't know anything else. And yeah, that that really broke
my heart when I realized like, yeah, this is a this is a
children's bunker. Yeah, that's sad.
It is very, very dark. I mean, that's dark in any show

(41:46):
or movie, but especially for Stranger Things.
I mean, they, you know, they went kind of dark with the kids
stuff with the stuff in the lab and season 4.
But I mean, we're talking about like, especially if if you're
correct that these are orphans. I'm in there.
Looks like they're in a militarystyle bunker.
I mean, I yeah. I mean, I feel like if the

(42:08):
military has intentionally brought these kids here as some
sort of field or, or experiment against whatever's going on and,
and they don't, they have no idea.
That's why they're really there and and something tragic happens
to them in this moment. I mean, that's, I mean, that's
definitely, definitely dark. And yeah, I mean, it's sad to

(42:30):
think that even the possibility of that happening.
Yeah, it is. My impression after slowing this
down is that, you know, this is either the kids have been moved
here, that's more of like a shelter in place thing or they
are orphan kids and they've got like a few adults looking after
them. I don't necessarily think
they're there for an experiment because I feel like they'd be
dressed differently. They're all dressed in different

(42:51):
clothes. It seems to be their regular
clothing. So I feel like if they were part
of an experiment or being put tothe slaughter or something, they
would be dressed differently. They seem to be their normal
clothes on bunk beds. So it gave me more than vibe of
a post apocalyptic kind of military, more like like foster
home or, you know, like like a children's home.

(43:14):
Like this is like a makeshift place for these kids to go and
and hopefully be be safe and away or just a place for them to
be looked after. This is where they're sleeping
now for safety. So I mean, I could be wrong, but
I didn't get experiment valve. I got more of a, you know,
shelter in place type vibe. But either way, these poor

(43:37):
little kiddos don't know what's going on and that would be very,
very scary for them. Right from there we have a shot
of Hopper saying, come on, come on.
And then we cut back to the radio station basement where
will Nancy 11 are now standing looking terrified as a lights
flicker and Joyce is sitting at the control station.
So it appears that all of our all the people we're seeing here

(43:59):
are part of this controlled burnthat they're doing.
And clearly something has happened in particular looks
very scared. You know, like absolutely
terrified, probably cuz mikes out there and looks like Hopper
is too, which would be very scary for her.
Something I did find funny is when I slowed this down and
stopped the frame Robin is wearing AT shirt with cartoons

(44:19):
on it that says beam me up. This place sucks.
It has like a little spaceship that's like beaming people up.
And I just thought that was likehilarious.
I couldn't stop off. And like, this is a very dark
sequence and in the middle of itI was like, she's wearing like
it's kind of like faux cartoon Star Trek like as AT shirt about

(44:43):
how was this playing socks, which is Robin.
I know Robin, man. I was about to say it's very own
brand for her. Right.
And the other thing I noticed iswe'd seen some footage of Robin
in this outfit before, but we first saw it, I thought it was
like something Maya Hawk was wearing and not like as Robin.

(45:05):
And then if I remember correctly, this is the same of
it where it was blurred out and some of the behind the scenes
stuff they did. But you can see it clearly here.
So I was like, oh, Robin got like a cool new look this
season. Like I'm excited to to see that.
Yeah, me too. I think I like how they've
they've, you know, progressed her, her style each season.

(45:29):
So yeah, I'm, I'm definitely digging the the leather jacket
for sure. Yeah, it feels like a an
evolution of her style, but likea cooler look.
And I feel like they had a lot to play with there because for
all of Season 3, she was in her Scoops Ahoy outfit.
So it's like they can put her inwhatever because they didn't
really establish her style that first season.
And especially thing with her coming out and feeling more

(45:52):
comfortable with herself and being in a relationship.
Those are all things that affectyourself, esteem, your
expression. So I think it's cool they've
shown like an evolution there, especially because that was not
Robin's original storyline. She was supposed to be Steve's
new love interest. She was not a lesbian in the
original script. So I think it's very cool how

(46:15):
they've evolved that over time. And I remember that thing that
her and my Hawk and Joe Kerry did for the broadcast channel
where they asked people to send questions.
And I believe her shirt was blurred out in that.
And I thought it was like a copyright thing or like a
spoiler thing. And look at this down.
Like, I think they just wanted to save the surprise because
that T-shirt's hilarious. I think they just wanted to save

(46:37):
that for, like, later, which is,like, excellent.
Because I don't think this wouldhave been as funny to me if we'd
seen it if we'd seen it before. And then as part of the
sequence, we see this a bit later in the teaser, but Will
gets this look on his face like he looks like he might be
possessed. And then he falls to the floor
looking like he might be having a some kind of seizure or he's,

(46:58):
you know, collapsed. And we got footage in the date
and expert teaser of Will collapsing and him screaming.
So clearly Will is like really going through it this season.
There seems to be a lot of potential possession, a lot of
him collapsing, passing out, potentially having seizures, you
know, similar to how he did in Season 2.

(47:19):
And I'm very interested in this storyline because in Season 2,
it was directly related to they were burning the vines and that
hurt. Will we see they've been burning
stuff on mass? But apparently he's been fine up
until this point. And further description as the
anniversary of his disappearancenears, you know, that's when
stuff starts to hit the fan. So I'm very curious about, OK,

(47:40):
why wasn't it hurting him before?
Or wasn't it affecting him before?
Or if it was, what's changed? You know, why was he OK before
and now he's really not OK? I'm really curious as to what
the the answer is. They're like, what's what's
causing this? Yeah, me too.
And you know, I I think like that whole sequence in this

(48:02):
teaser as well. Like everything with the burn
countdown and with the scene, this frame with the lights
flickering, I think all that is connected.
I think that's one of the thingsI'm looking forward to the most
right now in season 5 is, is watching how all this plays out

(48:23):
because we'll number one, we don't know what episode this
comes from and #2 like, you know, why?
How is this burn being commenced?
Or, or Mike or Hopper, if he's there and, and, and Lucas, the
ones that are doing this burn. Or are they going down to the
downtown rift at the library where we see the, the men and,

(48:46):
and hazmat suits burning? Or is that the burn that they
are there for and they're tryingto test something out?
And then obviously, I think thatsomething had to have gone
wrong. I think it had something to do
with the burn for that to happento Will.
There's some other frames in theteaser of Will touching his neck

(49:10):
and so we know he's like sense things are going on.
But I wonder if in this moment, in this frame that he got
Vecnod. I mean, I very much looks like
it. And I wonder if if that's what
happened because the last time we saw him like as he was
connected in the mind fire and with the burns, I mean, he had

(49:33):
it all out seizure. And he doesn't really appear to
be doing that in this frame. But I mean, it could be that
could be that that frame where he he falls onto the ground.
I mean, that could be a part of this.
So, yeah, it'd be interested to see how that plays out.
But I mean, this was one of my one of my favorite frames from

(49:54):
this teaser because of the the reactions on everyone's faces.
Like, you know, I just remember like Nancy is looking like she's
concerned and so is Robin. But 11 definitely looks like she
looks terrified. And as you and I have spoken
like privately, like that's usually not the case for 11 when

(50:17):
this kind of stuff happens, she's usually like got her game
face on. Like she she knows what's about
to happen and she's ready. And so, I mean, she has her
powers back. We know that.
And I'm sure like maybe she's trying to use them sparingly.
But I mean, I, I think that's why all this is connected,
because I think that she looks so terrified because she's

(50:40):
worried like something's going to happen to Mike or could be
happening to him. It was, it was again, just like,
you know, with this sequence earlier of her watching Mike and
company leave the radio station.Like again, I I love kind of
this kind of new look for 11 this season that we we haven't

(51:00):
really seen that much from her in the previous seasons.
Yeah, me too. And what gets me about this
scene as well is I also think it's part of the same sequence.
And we have a scene later on in the teaser where Rose touching
his neck and appears to be at the high school and he's wearing
the same outfit. We see this outfit crop up a
lot. If that's and that's during the

(51:21):
daytime, we can see that from the lighting.
And then this appears to be likein the evening at night time
when the control burn is happening and you know, with the
high stakes, I don't think will he's going to be hiding that.
You know, we know he he did thatin the past because he didn't
want to like he won't believe inmy favorites back.
He didn't want to ruin the move when they're at the movies.

(51:41):
But this is not the time for that.
So that tells me that like Will sensed Becca, he said something
he told the others and maybe that's why they did the
controlled burn or he told them and they were doing the Control
Board. Like they like they knew it
could happen. They knew something could
happen. So the fact that they were
prepared for this and they stilllook absolutely terrified, like

(52:02):
L looks terrified and Will is, you know, looking possessed.
He's collapsing. He could potentially had be
having a seizure. The fact that they knew
something was coming and apparently they prepped for all
this and then something still happened.
That's terrifying for them and outside of their control.
Like that's really scary becauseI feel like in past season it
was more the unknown. It was more, well, we don't know

(52:25):
what's going to happen, but thisseason they do.
And yet they've they've done allthey can and stuff is still
going wrong. And I'm, I'm really curious as
to see what's what's happening in this scene.
You know what Becna's doing hereand what's happening to Will And
did they do the control burn because will sense a Becna or

(52:46):
was it something else? Did they think that was going to
like, you know, they think burning something was going to
starve off what was happening? And then like, maybe they didn't
get to it in time because you hear my counting down.
So I'm like, maybe they didn't get to it in time and that's why
Will's getting vected over here.I mean, I I don't know, it's
just like it's it's scary stuff.I feel like, you know, they keep

(53:08):
talking about how it has like the final chapter has the
highest stakes, but I really does are these stakes just seem
so much higher than the past. For sure, it's like they're
actually like putting their money where their mouth is this
season. And, and I really, I really AM.
And loving that we finally at least have some seeming proof

(53:29):
from the Deezer. Maybe they weren't expecting
something from the Upside Down to be as close to them because
they're here at the radio station.
I mean, I, I believe that Mike and Lucas and Steve and maybe
Hopper, I think they're all downtown at this burn or, or
maybe at one of the tunnels. I don't think they are anywhere

(53:50):
close to the radio station. And so I mean, it might be
something where this is something that they they
obviously planned to go like commence this burn or watch a
burn being commenced. But I don't think maybe they
expected something from the upside down to like come to

(54:13):
where they are, you know? So yeah, I mean, it's it's going
to be, it's going to be really fun and not like, yeah, this is
fun kind of way, but like just see how it all plays out.
Yeah, for sure. And I agree.
I think wherever they're going, it's a farther distance away
from the radio station. But if we can survive of their

(54:36):
going on a mission, people are scared and, you know, and then
like the worst case scenario, maybe even a scenario they
hadn't even considered winds up happening.
So it definitely gives the vibe of they've gone off to do this.
Something has gone terribly wrong and there's nothing they
can do to stop it at that point.Or, you know, it's also possible
they've lost communication as well.

(54:57):
That could be possible. And I'm also here to see there's
clearly some kind of connection between the increasing radio
frequencies, the controlled burning, what they're trying to
do to either like snuff out Vecna or figure out where he is
or do something like there's obviously some kind of
connection there. And I'm curious to find out how
like all of that comes together.And I honestly wonder if the the

(55:22):
other frame in the teaser of theupside down smoke particles
coaling up around the radio tower is involved in this
sequence as well. Because like it's part of that
frame. We see Robin like go outside the
radio station and she looks as it coils up around it.
And so I wonder if it is all part of the same in sequence,

(55:46):
this one, if maybe Vecna, maybe he's figured out what they're
doing and maybe he's figured outthat might be Upside down.
Like these particles can manipulate or mess with, you
know, radios and radio signals and frequencies because I mean,

(56:06):
it does appear like it goes all the way up to the like the tip
top where the end of the little light is.
And so, I mean, I do wonder, I mean, that would be my only
guess as to why this is happening.
Or maybe like to try to destroy the radio tower.
But yeah, I feel like they couldbe connected.
Yeah, I feel like they they could be connected as well.
You know, like this happens and Robin runs outside to see what's

(56:29):
going on because they can hear or send something.
He could be trying to destroy it.
He could be using that to reach something because, you know, we
saw him create the mind flare bybringing the particles together.
So something like like that maybe.
But yeah, it's definitely possible these things are
connected because I think Robin appears to be in a similar

(56:49):
outfit. And yeah, and since we know
these things are likely for the 1st 4 volumes or sorry, 1st 4
episodes, not volumes, Yeah, they could definitely be
connected. And I super curious to find out
what's what's going on here. And so I think one of the the
biggest scenes from this Deezer that I mean, we absolutely have

(57:10):
to talk about is the will. And I guess the flashback of him
in the upside down scene where he's trying to escape the
demagogue. And I mean, like it would
there's so much to impact and like this maybe like what one
second of of a frame. But I mean, it's just I mean
when the not only the coolest shots, but one like the wildest

(57:32):
shots in this Deezer of because when you think about like all
we've kind of been made to believe in the show is that
we'll just, you know, hid. But when he was in the upside
down. But it seems like at least at
one time he did actually try to make some what what of an
escape, or at least escape from the Demogorgon.

(57:55):
And I was so from this also likehow because we didn't know what
the Demogorgon really was up to in season 1 in the upside down
either. And so, I mean, clearly it was
he was after Will and yeah, I just think it was such a cool
shot to see Will like trying to leap from one tree to the other.

(58:17):
And and I guess I would assume he's falling.
But yeah, I'm, I'm really looking forward to seeing that
in in the season. And I believe it's it.
This could be part of our cold open.
I mean, I, or at least you know,a flashback, but I mean, I, I
think it could be part of the cold open.

(58:38):
And this is also like we saw like some of this from the
behind the scenes teaser last year of, you know, I guess the
whoever's playing Will's youngerself on a harness falling like
he was in the tree. And so, yeah, I mean, it's, I
thought this is a really, reallycool shot.

(58:58):
And also like the burst of lightning, which again, I hope
that they haven't Recon too muchfrom Season 1, but I mean, we
did not see in Season 1 any lightning in the upside down.
But you know, we didn't go therethere much that much, but we
didn't see any lightning there. And so it seems like they are

(59:21):
kind of going to wreck on that this season.
But yeah, I mean, I just thoughtit was a fantastic frame.
Yeah, me too. And I I saw a postman Tumblr
that made me laugh. It was like, man, they really
had us believing that Lotus tooka Navin Castle buyers this whole
time. So I was like, man, they really
had will, you know, like pole vaulting at the age of 11

(59:44):
through the upside down. They made us think he took a
nap. Meanwhile, he's like doing
gymnastics down there, which maybe love.
Yeah, I know. And it's like, I mean, they
throughout season one, it was you would have thought like he
was only within the the rounds of.
The buyer's house in season 1, because you know, he would make

(01:00:06):
contact with Joyce a lot. Either he was either the buyer's
house or castle buyers. And up until like the end of
season 1 when he was taken to the the library, I mean, we
never thought that he was anywhere else.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it'spretty wild.
Think about that. Yeah, it is.

(01:00:26):
And I feel like this has to be largely in the forest because we
know that there's a massive forest behind the buyer's house
at that time. So, you know, I, I could see it
being he was in the house that he ran.
Like he runs from the shed to castle buyers.
He hides out there. Eventually it gets quiet.
You know, he tries to go back into the house.
Maybe that's when he makes contact with Joyce, or perhaps

(01:00:46):
he leaves castle buyers and tries to escape multiple times
or at least one time. That doesn't work.
Eventually he goes in, makes contact, it comes after him
again and maybe realizes after that you can't keep trying to
make contact because that puts her in danger.
And so he tries to escape, you know, some other way.
And we saw the the behind the scenes of the young actor

(01:01:09):
playing him in flashbacks, the two of them in Castle Byers.
We saw, you know, looks like falling from a tree.
So presumably he makes it to their side of this tree and then
falls. Or the Demogorgon reaches the
tree too and he falls. We know he lives, obviously, but
I also feel like something must have caught him on the way down,
like he's a backpack on. So maybe the backpack caught on

(01:01:31):
something because if he'd hit the ground from that height, he
would have died. Like that would break your neck
instantly. So I feel like he something must
have caught him on the way down.He must have landed on something
because they don't mention any broken bones and we don't see
any injuries that look like he'sbroken anything significantly
when he gets back from the upside down.

(01:01:53):
So I feel like in his escape attempts, he might have been
like, minor injuries might have occurred, but I don't see, like,
major injuries occurring. And if this is flashbacks, that
would explain why he didn't wantto talk about it.
Like we have that scene in Season 2 where Lucas says to
Max, like, you can't talk to himabout, like, he's really
sensitive. And if he did in fact try to

(01:02:14):
escape repeatedly and he failed and he gets back to the right
side up and he finds out that, like, Barb died and he lived.
And, you know, he'd obviously have survivor's guilt there.
And this is somebody he would have at least seemed pretty
regular. They're both the Wheeler's house
on a regular basis. It makes sense to me.

(01:02:34):
Like looking back that like, yeah, that's why you didn't want
to talk about it because I was believing like, you know, he was
just in castle buyers or at the buyer's house most of that time.
But if he actually did try to escape and it failed, that
survivor's guilt for that guilt about I tried, failed.
I almost died like this obviously destroyed my mom and
brother Barb tried and she failed.

(01:02:56):
It got her that survivor's guilt, that trauma of couldn't
get out. I tried and I couldn't get out.
And like also we see him loadingthe gun, trying to trying to
fight off the Demogorgon and it gets him before he can shoot.
So if that's what this is, I could definitely see that being
guilt and just him letting everyone believe he was just
chilling castle buyers the wholetime because that was easier and

(01:03:19):
talking about what happened. And we've never really seen him
get into that. So they definitely have left
enough wiggle room there to talkabout this stuff and to show us
flashbacks. And you're right, we don't see
lightning in the upside down. I think we only start to that
season 4. But I mean, there could be an
explanation for that. I mean, what's, I don't know,
maybe there's a thunderstorm going on there.

(01:03:39):
I mean, we know that's happeningin four.
That's part of the evolution. There could be a reasonable
explanation for why we didn't see lightning there, but we're
seeing it now. And even if there isn't, I mean,
it looks cool. So I'm willing to let that go
because it looks cool. And I, I want to know more about
Will's time in the Upside down. So I, I think this is going to

(01:04:00):
be a very interesting storyline because I think the rest of the
group are going to be like really horrified when they
realize he wasn't just taking a nap in Castle buyers and like
trying to communicate with Joyce.
And he was like, you know, running and jumping all over the
place trying to get out and it didn't work.
And like, that's why it's so traumatic for him.
Be traumatic anyway. But like, that's why he doesn't
want to talk about it. And, you know, I think there's

(01:04:22):
going to be a lot of revelationsfrom Will, but also from Elle
about that time period, about his abduction, her escape, what
they went through, of stuff they've probably never spoken
about either to anyone or maybe to each other.
That's going to really horrify the rest of the group to
realize, like, yeah, we knew this was traumatic, but it's
actually a lot more traumatic than we even thought it was.
Your stuff you haven't told us. So I feel like those revelations

(01:04:45):
are going to be a big part of what drives the plot forward in
Five because we're going to findstuff out, and that stuff is
going to help our characters figure out other things.
And it's like going to go from there.
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