July 27, 2025 • 55 mins
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And then we got our first look at Lambda Hamilton.
Yay. She looks great as Doctor K
looks like she's following Alex Bros character Lieutenant Acres
into I guess where Hopper and 11are.
I think that's safe to say that that's where they are with the
sirens going off and she's wearing a uniform and is
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wielding a a handgun as they're going in.
She's like kind of behind Lieutenant Anchors and some
other military personnel. And so really, I mean, there's
not really much to say about herbecause there's literally on
that, only that one frame of her.
But it was good to see her. It was good to get our first
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look at Linda Hamilton in Stranger Things.
But the biggest question I have is will Doctor K be good or will
she be bad? Yeah, it's hard to say.
I know you and I were hoping fora different role from her
because she's so well known for Terminator, but I'm excited
nonetheless. And I think it'll be interesting
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to see whether actually turns tobe good or bad or more in the
middle. Like Owens is Kind of hoping
they they subvert this and have her turn out to be a good guy or
at least a reasonable person because they've done multiple
different villains and we've hadBrenner, we've had Sullivan, you
know, long time. Don't know.
I was not a fan of that arc. So hopefully it's not something
like that. I feel like it won't because
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that was very one-dimensional. And then the Hamilton, I mean,
you don't hire an actor like that to give one to play A1
dimensional character. But we've also had like a
interesting amount of nuance with Owens and they've done the
kind of like the mad scientists who's all for the great or good
thing with Brenner. So there aren't too many new
configurations for villains in this universe, I feel like, with
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what they've set up. But maybe they'll surprise me.
And I think it would be interesting if they do subvert
that expectation. Have her be good or have it be
more ambiguous. So, yeah, I'm curious to see
what kind of character this is. Does her arc change over the
season, you know, the way Owens did, or does it stay consistent?
Yeah, I'm, I'm curious about that too.
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Or maybe Lieutenant Akers character, perhaps that's more
of the ambiguous or good character and she's more the
foil with a bad guy. I'll definitely be interested to
see how that how that turns out.Yeah, same here.
I still think that 11 needs an ally from the military or
government whose name is not SamOwens.
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And I'm hoping that Doctor K will be that.
Or if she, if she starts out bad, I hope by the end of Season
5 she sticks around that long that she will turn good and
we'll be able to see the light. That's what I'm hoping for.
But yeah, it'll be it's still good to see her, still good to
see Linda Hamilton. And then we have frame of Lucas
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holding a still unconscious Max.They're hiding from the demo
dogs in the hospital and he is wearing a WSQK radio station
T-shirt. So I think it's safe to say that
this is probably not the same like part of the same episodes
as some of like a lot of the other frames in this teaser so
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far. But yeah, it'd be great.
You know, we got in our second look Max this season.
So that was great. Still hate it that she is still
in a coma. I, I, I wonder if Vecna has
found her at the hospital or he unleashed these demo dogs on the
hospital or maybe that frame of Nancy washing her hands at the
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blood. Maybe something happened at the
hospital earlier and the demo dogs detected the blood.
But I mean, it seems pretty clear from this frame that they
are looking for someone. And I think it's Max.
I'm glad that Lucas was able to get her out.
It does seem like they're going to break her free from the
hospital. I mean, I feel like it's in the
definitely not safe in there anymore for her.
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So that's going to be very interesting to see that play out
as well. Play.
Love the Jurassic Park referencein this frame.
I'm looking forward to whatever happens in this hospital because
I'm loving the callbacks to Season 3.
Yeah, it was good to get a a shot of Max that wasn't her
lying in her hospital bed. And in this scene, you can see
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somebody next to focus with a candy striper uniform on.
And a lot of people wonder if that's Vicki because you can see
the red hair. And we know that Maya and Amy,
Beth did film a lot at the the hospital.
It's possible she's also volunteering there and they're
all, you know, maybe taking turns keeping an eye on Max.
And she's unfortunately on duty while, you know, this happens
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and it appears that, you know, Lucas has picked her up.
And as you know, they're trying to shield her.
I think the demo dogs are after Mac specifically because
hospitals are full of blood and people bleeding out and dying
all the time. If the Democrats are indeed
sensitive to blood, if they are speaking it out when they smell
it, I feel like the hospital would be surrounded by like a
whole military team because if they figured that out, like,
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obviously they'd be attacking the hospital 24/7.
So I feel like there'd be protection set up unless it's
the first time they've come out.We appear to be looking for
something this isn't just like arandom attack.
Definitely think they're after Max here and does look that they
are going to have to break her out of the hospital and
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presumably like hook her up to an IV somewhere else.
We do see from the previous footage that her limbs have
healed and so she's only connected to an IV.
So that will make it easier for them to care for her somewhere
else, which is which is good. Can only imagine the reaction of
the deputies when their mom shows up and they're like, where
is my daughter? And they're like, people want
her body snatching like they've stolen the mean one's body.
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I know you and I, we talked about that in an earlier
episode. So it's it's kind of funny that
that's the route they wound up going.
Yeah, and they just snatched that IV right out of there.
Yep, it was it was a snatch and go.
But yeah, I think they're definitely after her.
I feel like this probably happened maybe towards the end
of the four episodes. I don't think they're starting
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with this. And I think the sad part is Max
was probably not intended to be in a coma this long because
seems like the original plan wasto wrap everything up in like
the fall of 1986. Which is why I think they focus
so much on the university and college plans of the older teens
is that they were all intending to go off the following semester
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or whatever. But I think because so much time
has passed, the actors age, theyhad to buff it ahead a year.
And so the unfortunate side effect of that is instead of Max
being in a coma for a few months, which way I think made
more sense, she's been in a comafor like a year or more at this
point. And Lucas has been just at her
bedside, you know, missing her. But it does look like they are
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able to move her. And hopefully, once they've
defeated back to Max, will come back to herself and they will
get their happy ending. And about Nancy and Washington,
lift the blood off her hands. I've seen a few different
theories about this. At first, I thought maybe
something had happened to Ted ora loved one and she's washing
the blood off. But then I noticed that there's
a pink soap dispenser at the kind you find in a public
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bathroom next to her. So there's supposed to be like,
a public place. It could be the hospital but
she's not in her candy strike outfit so unless she's just
clocked off shift but then we see Nancy in the candy stripper
outfit in the basement of radio station and other footage.
Because she does wear at home either to or from worker
volunteering. So it's possible.
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I mean she had clocked off shiftand something happened.
They tried to stay patient. They couldn't.
Or it's also possible she was inanother public place.
It's not the hospital, and something went down.
They couldn't save this person. Poor Nancy, though, we have two
scenes of her in this teaser where she's just sobbing her
eyes out like the poor girl is just going through it.
And that is a lot of blood. Whatever happened to this person
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was totally fatal. Some serious stuff is is going
down. Poor Nancy man.
Yeah, and just, you know, knowing who who Nancy is as a as
a person, I mean, she's one of those who who wants to try to
like save everyone. And and I feel like maybe this
could have been totally random person who she tried to save but
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wasn't able to. And I mean, she's looks like
she's been through it so far in this teaser.
And maybe it's just her breakdown moment of, you know,
feeling helpless. And also because, I mean, she so
far is the only one like Vecna has showed her like the future
or anything too. So I mean, she's seen visions of
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the carnage like this happening.And so maybe there's some guilt
thereof. I wasn't able to save this
person. And also this really, you know,
Vecna really might be successfulwith what he he showed me.
And it also could be he could beTed or someone.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, she is wearing a
sweater, not her candy striper outfit.
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So I mean, it doesn't mean she wasn't visiting someone in the
hospital. But yeah, I mean, I feel like
that also could be a possibilityhere as well.
Yeah, for sure. She could definitely be
visiting. And this is one of the two
outfits we see her and a lot. There's an outfit with like a
pink sweater, denim jacket. We see a bunch and we also see
another one where she's wearing a rainbow sweater vest and a
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pink jacket. So those seem to be the two
core. Outfits.
So I tend to believe that maybe that's earlier on in Volume 1
because we see a lot of footage of it and perhaps these are
either for the same episodes, these two outfits, like 1
episode each, or let me two episodes back-to-back where
she's now wearing the same clothes.
But yeah, I could definitely be guilt.
I've seen people say online thatthey feel like they're parallels
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here with her seeing in Season 2where she's crying in the
bathroom and her parent, like Barb's parents morbidly have
decorated it with pictures of Barb and she's trying to get
through dinner. Also, the Halloween scene in
Season 2, you know, she's got a lot of trauma about losing
friends, losing people crying inbathrooms about things that are
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happening, bad things going down.
So I definitely think this is going to be like really a very
emotional and traumatic season for for Nancy.
And if it is the death of a character, I think it is a
secondary character. I saw stuff going around, people
were saying it's Steve, people were saying it's Jonathan.
I don't think it's either of them.
I don't think it's a main character.
Whoever this is, I think it's either somebody we haven't met
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before, like you said, or it's asecondary character because we
know they filmed for a year. The main cast were spotted here.
They've all talked about those interviews and these people are
so booked and busy that if a main character was absent for
several months, somebody would have picked up on.
These people are so busy they can't just hang around Atlanta
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for an additional six months if they're not filming.
They're very busy and they're feeling for the season
overlapped with other things, which is why some of them
responded filming other things at their places, of course, or
doing other things. So there was a moment, I will
admit, when I first bought this teaser where they showed for
crying in the butt, I was like, Oh my God, I had, I did buy into
the hype for a minute. I will admit.
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I was like, Oh my God, Steve, isit Jonathan?
Who is it? I did buy into it for a minute,
but then I rewatched and I thought about it more and I was
like, no, no, like they're not coming off a main character
here. Somebody would have seen
something. So yeah, I think of this is the
death of a character we do know.I think it's going to be a a
secondary character or someone we've we've never met before.
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And how about Karen and Holly? That was that was an intense
scene of them in in the water I think is the bathtub because you
can see like at the top, it looks like bubbles.
And so I, I feel like the most obvious thing is that they're
hiding from either a Demogorgon or dim a dog.
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Now, what would lead them to hide in the water?
I'm not sure, other than the bathtub was like literally the
only place they could find. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
already like just the intense acting from both Cara Buono and
Nell Fisher already in this one frame.
I'm scared for them. I really am.
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But I'm, I'm loving that we're getting more care and, and
actually getting in on the action this season.
I mean, that's, that is exciting.
Yeah, for sure. And I also think they're hiding
in the bathtub because we got that previous footage of the
Wheeler bathroom with Karen's fluffy pink shoes and it was
behind the scenes of like non alcoholic bubbly of some kind.
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So to me, it seems like Karen was preparing for a nice bath
here and then something happenedand we see the the shot that
Holly's hair is wet. So I don't maybe they were
hiding in the bathtub. Then that scene comes after we
see even grabbing Holly and trying to protect her in a
previous date announcement teaser that we got.
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So I think that something has come at them was a demagogue or
a demagogue. And I think it's definitely a
monster of some kind and Karen has grabbed Holly and they've
run upstairs and they're hiding in the bathtub.
It could be the only place to hide.
It could also be since we don't see water in the upside down by
the time we get to season 4. I think it's also possible that
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either Denmark organs don't and the monsters don't like water.
Their water does something to them or they can't cross water,
or there could be something to do with water.
Because I feel like there's got to be more to it.
Because otherwise, like grabbingyour small child and jumping
into a bathtub does not seem like the safest idea because you
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don't know how you're going to be down there for.
You could suffocate. You could drown.
It leaves you a sitting duck if that thing comes into the
bathroom. Like Karen's pretty smart.
So I feel like maybe there's something to do with water being
like a barrier, like being in the water is going to like
protect them somehow or they think it is.
So poor Karen. She was just looking forward to
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a nice night in with her Bubblesand her bubbly, and Holly was
feeling just chilling in a room doing whatever.
And they're just trying to relaxin the midst of the apocalypse,
man. They're just trying to have a
moment to themselves, you know? And then this happens, and next
thing you know, you're hiding ina bathtub.
As you do I. Mean we all had to do that,
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right? We've all had to hide in the
bathtub. Exactly with with it full of
water? Yes, water.
No less, you know, as you do typical Tuesday.
As you? Yeah.
As you do after you watch TV. As you do.
But now like I wonder, I'm starting to put all these these
pieces of the puzzle together and I'm starting to connect some
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of these these sequences. And we actually got a production
still of this one. But in the behind the scenes
teaser from last year of Holly, she's in her room and then the
lights start flickering. And so I wonder if like Vecna
maybe, you know, is maybe leading her into the bathroom,
like something maybe has gone onthere or maybe like a well to
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season 1 and and episode 3, Holly Jolly and maybe Holly's
trying to tell Karen and and theMcgorgon they I guess one of
them, you know, at least Holly manages to, you know, escape
from that. And then, you know, she comes
into the kitchen and her hair iswet like, you know, after the
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the bathroom and also in the dayannouncement teaser, Karen's
hair was wet and that as well. So I wonder if they were able to
get out of the bathtub and then,you know, something happened.
But yeah, I started to connect the dots here that this these
are kind of related actually, you know, just Speaking of
Holly, like in general, she's growing on me.
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She really is. At first I wasn't sure how I'd
feel about it being an obvious recast, but I mean so far just
from the this teaser and the Bruxon steals, I'm really am
looking forward to following Holly and her journey this
season. Yeah, me too.
I'm looking forward to it as well.
And I also didn't mind the recast when that was announced.
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Like these things happen. They've had to jump a year and a
half into the future, which was not clearly the original plan.
So things had to be made. I was a bit more concerned about
bringing in all these new characters.
What about our originals? Like, that was a huge problem in
Season 4. Like, I love Season 4, but there
were definitely points where it's like, I felt like they
focused more on the new characters when they should have
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been focusing on their originals.
But yeah, I'm excited for Holly's journey.
And we got a production still ofthis scene where she's clutching
her necklace for, like, comfort.And she seems to be looking up
at something. She's in her bedroom, which is
presumably part of the scene where the lights start
flickering. And now that you've said that,
like, you know, putting the pieces together, I wonder if
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this is part of the same sequence at the beginning with
the controlled burn. Like the lights start flickering
all over town and, you know, thedemo gorgons, demo dogs, like,
come out and, you know, they're like lunging at people.
Like, I mean, for all we know, this could also be part of the
same sequence where they got to get Max out of the hospital,
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although I feel like that might come later.
You know, this thing happens, the control burn, the lights are
flickering, Will collapses. These things come at Karen and
Holly. The lights are flickering in the
bunker. Like this could all be part of
the same like nerve wracking sequence where Oh no, the lights
are flickering and then stuff happens like boom, boom, boom,
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boom, boom, like this could all be part of the same sequence.
I mean, no, the vanishing of blank is second episode.
So I mean, this could this couldall be going down the second
episode for all we know that this is Holly's vanishing and
she gets taken. And if that's happened in
episode 2, then the scene with Max could be episode 3 because
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now the Derek Gorgons and demo dogs are like roaming free
around the town. And that could kind of set off
the sequence of events from there.
And it's all giving me the vibe that our heroes planned for
whatever was going to happen. And then whatever Rebecca does
takes them by surprise. They look terrified.
And they would have prepared forevery possible that they could
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possibly think of, knowing what they know after this many years.
So I think that's the scary thing here is that they have.
Clearly been communicating and they have prepared themselves as
much as they can and whatever Becht is doing clearly takes
them by surprise in a way they did not expect, despite what
looks like a year or more of planning here.
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So I think that's the scary thing.
Yeah, I love how you put that too, because I've never crossed
my mind, but yeah, I I feel likeyou could be on to something
there. And like this whole chain of
events, perhaps the frame of Nancy and 11 that's in this
teaser, because someone pointed out on Reddit that it looks like
they are in the Wheeler home andthe clothes they're wearing the
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same clothes as they were in theframe in the radio station
earlier on in the teaser. And like Nancy's hairdo is same
style. She's wearing the same jacket,
11 is wearing the same blue hoodie and but she's got it over
her head probably to conceal heridentity.
And so hearing you say all that made me think, wouldn't it be so
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cool if if all these are part ofthat same sequence, Vecna like
was able to like come over theirmicrophone in the in the radio
station and broadcast to them. I have Holly or something like
that. And that forces Nancy and 11 to
come to the Wheeler home. Nancy's wielding her shotgun.
So it it seems like obviously they came there in an emergency
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style way, so maybe it could allbe a part of the same sequence
in the same episode. And that if that's the case, I
mean, that would be absolutely wild.
Yeah, and you know what just occurred to me?
If Vector's going to project something, I don't think he'd
say that. I think he'd do what he did with
Will in Season 1, where Will's voice comes over the radio.
I think he'd probably just project Holly and Karen's voices
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over the radio so the rest of them could figure out that they
were in danger. And I feel like that would
explain why Unity comes with a shotgun.
Levin comes in, they're chargingin.
And, you know, Levin looks surprised in that scene.
So whatevers, they were surprising to them.
And I wonder if they get there enough time to, like, fend off
whatever's coming at Karen. Like they meant to save Karen in
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time when it grabs Holly or Holly disappears.
And so they managed to shoot it in time to get Karen to safety,
but not Holly. And so like a big part of the
rest of the season is trying to get her back and looks like
Erica could get taken. So again, they're on high alert
for this stuff. So whatever Vector's doing, you
must be changing up their tactics because Erica, Erica can
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see this stuff coming. She's not stupid.
So if she's part of that, he must be radically changing his
tactics in ways that they're, they can't anticipate to get to
them because they know all his old tricks.
So he must be just changing it up on them all the time.
That's the only thing I can think of because otherwise
they'd be prepared for this. So like this could all be part
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of the same sequence in episode 2, which if that's that's what
this is, that is so wild. That is like woof, like they
said it was going to be like pedal to the metal.
And that is like that is that isa complete that is zero to 180
charging down the road if that'swhat this is.
Yeah, cuz usually when that kindof stuff happens, it's usually
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by the end of episode 3. Usually episodes one and two are
mostly like just set up. So, yeah, I mean, that would and
also I'm glad we got this on therecord because if that turns out
to be the case, I mean, we couldsay like, well, we we knew it
was going to happen, folks. That's why you should listen to
our podcast. Yeah, you heard it here first.
Folks. And then another scene we
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absolutely have to talk about isSteve driving his car through
the rift that the barn they've been showing.
I mean, this seems like this scene is either very important
this season or something that the Duffer brothers have just
been really excited about because we've probably seen more
things from this one seen more than really anything else.
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They've got like previz on it and then a lot of behind the
scenes content on it. And so now we're actually seeing
like part of what is actually going on here.
And I mean, definitely big Back to the Future DeLorean type
thing going on here. But I mean, whatever it is,
either they're being chased by something or Steve's just like,
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screw it, we have to get throughthere.
Or maybe they've had a couple attempts to drive through the
riff like slowly, but it's not letting them.
And so Steve's just like, you know what, I'm just going to
floor it. And because we have to get
through there. But I mean, I feel like
considering that they're in the car, maybe they were being
chased by something and had no choice.
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But I'm, I'm very excited to seelike what the rest of this scene
looks like because it's been hyped up so much.
Yeah, I really hope it lives up to the expectations because
you're right, we've seen more ofthis scene from previz to behind
the scenes To tease yourself. Do we have any other scene?
And I think this is all part of the same sequence, because in
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the previz, I was given the impression that they'd fallen
through the Upside Down in the car.
That was not intentional, but inthis sequence it looks like they
are intentionally driving in. If you slow it down, you can see
that the car goes through a fence in someones backyard and
then as they go through the rift, it shears off the side
mirror and he puts it to drive, just floors it as they're going
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down. And this is part of that same
sequence where you see Jonathan Nancy screaming in the back
seat, Dustin screaming in the front seat.
And I, I think this is also partof the same sequence where you
can see the four of them standing outside the the lab in
the Upside Down where it's got her gun with her and they're
standing in front of it. We've seen this shot from the
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front, from behind. And I think that explains why
they don't have facial coveringson because we see 11 put on her
bandana in an earlier scene. And I was wondering, why don't
they have facial coverings? They establish that the
atmosphere down there is toxic in seasons.
You know, one and two. And Steve comments on that in
season 4. And you and I have gone back and
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forth. Are they retconning this?
Whatever. And well, it seems like they
forgot to give them the facial coverings in where they go back
into the upside down in, in season 4.
I'm I feel like maybe they've corrected this now they realize
like, oh, shoot, they were supposed to have facial
coverings that scene, because wedo see it in some of the other
shots. If this is the case where like
there's that shot that was released earlier, Jonathan Nancy
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are in the backseat looking at something behind them like
they're being chased. So I think this is all part of
the same sequence. And I don't know why Steven
Dustin were picking them up. Maybe Nancy couldn't get to her
car for whatever reason, I don'tknow.
But for other reasons, Steven doesn't have picked them up.
They're being chased by something and he's just like,
screw it. And he just floors it and they
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wind up going through the UpsideDown.
And so he has her gun and they have their walkies with them and
that's it. Although why they wouldn't have
some kind of covering in the car, I don't know, but that
would at least explain it. So yeah, I, I just kind of feel
like it seems like, screw it, we're going for it at this
point. Like maybe they've tried before
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or he just realizes that they'reheading towards a rift and
there's nothing they can do. And he's like, all right, I'm
just going to afford it. Because otherwise I feel like it
would kind of go through the riband you'd be kind of like stuck
in the goo, like you kind of be like hanging there.
But I feel like if you gunned it, then you'd go through them.
But it's poor Bimmer, man. I mean, apparently they've
attached like a antenna to the roof.
It's taken off the side mirror. Like it's just that that parked
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car is just going through it. And now I hope we don't have to
say RIP to the Beamer this season, but it seems like that's
probably going probably going tobe the case.
Is the side mirrors any any indication of of that?
But like, Speaking of the lab, yeah, I do think that that's all
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part of this. And we do know that Nancy,
Jonathan, Steve and Dustin are in the Upside Down outside of
the lab. To me, it just reminded me of
the Krill House from Season 4. Like that would seem to be like
the central location of the Upside Down last season.
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And I wonder if the lab is goingto be like that this season.
And I think they're, obviously they're there for particular
reason. I wonder what that is.
And I, I feel like because we know that the upside down is
stuck in 1983, I wonder if they're they're, you know, they
realize they have to go back to the lab on November 6th, 1983 to
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retrieve something that was onlythere during that time.
Now what that is, I don't know. But yeah, I really am intrigued
that it's these 4 specifically that are there.
And also like the crew house from season 4, it seems like the
storm is, is heavier here. So I mean, could this be
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ironically darkness hideaway? I mean, wouldn't, Wouldn't that
be crazy? Yeah, it would be crazy.
I mean, if he was right under their noses at the place it all
started all along, that would beso crazy.
And I feel like they might do something like Vacnum was hiding
in plain sight the whole time because they're thinking this
guy's that, you know, criminal mastermind there.
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Maybe they've overthought the whole thing and it turns out to
be something really simple. I think this sequence is also
part of that scene where we had the shot in the day announcement
teaser where Steve and Dustin are looking up at something and
it looks like they're in the laband there's vines on the ground
and he has his walking with him.I've seen people speculate on
Discord that this could also be the same sequence where we see
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Jonathan and Nancy crying and they're like talking somewhere.
So I think people point out thatthis looks like the Upside Down,
but you don't do the particles like you normally do.
And I've seen people speculate, OK, well, they're outside the
lab. They go into the lab.
If Steve and Dustin go off to dotheir part of the mission,
Jonathan and Nancy go off to do their part of the mission, which
could be a continuation of whatever the heck they were
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doing when Steve picked them up.And that they're doing their
part and they've completed whatever they had to do.
And then they're waiting for Steve and Dustin to radio them
to say, hey, we did our part. And that gives them a moment to
talk about whatever they're talking about here.
And I that hadn't occurred to meuntil I saw that because I was
like, this thing has a weird place to have a conversation.
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They're not wearing any facial coverings.
But if this part of that sequence, that would explain a
lot. And I'm also curious if this is
the same sequence. What the heck Steve and Dustin
are looking at Like what's on the ceiling that they're like,
oh, guys, I could get their expressions give Oh, no, like I
don't think we're going to be able to do this.
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And I don't think it's a rift. It could be a rift, but I feel
like you'd see the red glow if it was a rift.
A rift would not produce that expression because they know
what a rift looks like and they know to expect those.
But there's got to be something going on in that ceiling that
they're like, guys, and I'm, I'mgetting that vibe from a lot of
this season, Like a lot of the teaser stuff is giving the vibe
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of we were expecting this. We prepared for all these
possibilities and then we got there and it looked nothing like
that. And now we don't know what to
do. I think this is all part of like
this one long sequence. And it makes me want to go back
and watch like the date announcement teaser and the
behind the scenes teaser and like look at the old behind the
scenes footage and see if we canfind more of this scene.
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Because whatever this sequence is, I agree it's got to be
either. It's a really cool sequence.
Like they spend a lot of money and time on it, like maybe with
the special effects and or it's really important to the season.
Like it's a very pivotal sequence because we've gotten
more shots of this like photos, videos, behind the scenes,
special effects, like everything.
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Then I think any other sequence that we've gotten like so far.
Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I also really loved that frame.
And I mean, at first I thought it was like so beautiful because
the way it mean it to me, it looks almost like like glass
shattering almost or like a hugebolt of like electricity or
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maybe like water, you know, likewhen flexions went with water
and stuff. But yeah, it's like, you know,
what is this? Where is it come from?
And if they are in the lab, why is it here in the lab?
You know, I'm really, really looking forward to what what
that. I think that's if if I had to
say like the biggest question I have from this teaser, it would
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be what is this thing in the ceiling?
Yeah, I feel like those are the big questions.
What is this thing in the ceiling?
And what the heck are they therelooking for?
What are what are they looking to only find here?
Because I feel like this was a planned mission, but it didn't
go to plan. But they were obviously planning
to go there at some point. But I don't think the plan was,
hey, let's get chased by this thing and then have to drive
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into the Upside Down. I don't think that was the plan,
but I think they were planning to go there at some point,
either get something or do something some point.
And it obviously went awry. So yeah, I think those are the
big questions. What's that thing in the ceiling
and what are they there to get or do?
And there's a frame in here of Lucas on the ground in the
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tunnels and he looks absolutely,you know, terrified.
It looks like he may have fell or something and at first
thought there was like blood on his shirt.
But I've also seen some speculation as to maybe this is
like dirt. But you know, for this, I'm not
going to speculate at all that he's not seeing something like a
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Demogorgon or, you know, possibly someone being injured
or whatever here. Because in the Season 4 trailer
when he's like looking up and what we know is the crew house
and like screaming, I did not think that he was looking up at
someone dying. And that's what it turned out to
be. It was he that was when Max was
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being left headed and stuff. And so I'm not I'm not going to
speculate that he's not because I was wrong that time and I
don't I don't want to be wrong this time.
So yeah, I mean, I hope nothing bad happens to him here.
Yeah, me neither. I hope he's OK.
And I really thought this shot was cool because it's the one
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where they zero in on someone's eyeball and it becomes the
tunnel and then you see them running.
And I remember Nell Fisher posted this and she was like I'm
like 90% sure that's my eyeball.Oh, that was funny.
I mean you obviously film so much you're kind of like, is
that my eye? I don't know.
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But I thought the transition shot there from like someones
eye to the tunnels to them running.
We know the tunnels are going tobe a big part of it this season,
but and obviously burning the vines and things down there like
they didn't season 2, they said they were going to come back
from back to a lot of stuff fromseason 2.
So that's not surprising. But I I thought that transition
was just absolutely amazing. And I'm really excited because
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Trader things does transitions really well.
Season 4. It's on my favorite transitions
of the whole show. You know, a lot of the ones that
got to high school were so well done and I'm really excited to
see the ones this season. Like, I mean, where they go from
the eyeball to those could be a real shot from the show, or it
could just be something they edited together, you know, for
the teaser. But either way, I'm just I'm
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really excited for the the transitions this season.
Yes, I'm here. That's always a big reason.
I, I come back to Stranger Things because since Season 1,
they've always just been really good about doing these
transition shots and I'm glad tosee they are also making a
return this season and to do do a transition of my own here.
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And talking about one of the most talked about shots in this
entire tea teaser is of 11 flying.
I definitely was not expecting to see that.
I think if there was anything that was probably the most
unexpected in the seizure, it was that because I was not
expecting that. And I'm still kind of on the
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fence about it. But when I first saw it, I was
like, oh, please, please don't do this.
This is my first thought was, oh, please do not become Marvel.
Please don't do this. But after I've rewatched it
several times and just going back to looking at the demo dogs
and the demo Gorgons and I kind of realized, well, that's kind
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of how they jump. And so maybe that's their goal
here is to kind of tell us 11 has always had these abilities
like this and that when she madethat socket touch with the demo
organ and she's one that transferred over to it.
And that's how it was able to dothat.
And so it's it's kind of grown on me a little bit, but I feel
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like it was mostly because the way that this was edited in this
teaser kind of makes it look kind of weird, like she's like
on some kind of jetpack, like when you watch it not in slow
motion. But what are your thoughts on
it? Yeah, I mean, I'm not crazy
about it. I think that was one of the two
parts out of this to you that I wasn't really a fan of.
It looks kind of goofy in my opinion.
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But first I thought she just caught some air that every
watches like no, like she like step and then like jumps and
then flies. So because I thought, oh, maybe
she's just projecting herself. We know she can throw things
with her mind. Maybe she's doing that to
herself. But it's like, no, she's she's
straight up like flying here, like intentionally, like over
the bus. And I'm not crazy about it, but
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I'm willing to give it a chance.I've seen some people post on
social media that Brenner says to her in season 4 that in order
to defeat Henry, she won't just need to walk or run, she'll need
to fly. And that Mike says to her again,
season 4 that you're superhero, you can do anything.
You can fly. And we all just kind of thought
that was like, metaphorical. But I've seen people point out
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that maybe it wasn't, that Mike admitted A metaphorical way,
maybe Brenner didn't, that she'sgonna need to literally fly to
be able to, like, battle these things in the end.
I think it's interesting that this is at the junkyard because
it appears to be from the same sequence we've gotten footage of
before where we see Joyce and Hopper there with her and she's
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in this outfit and I think this is them training.
I think there's like a training exercise where she's like
learning how to do this. Although Clique has advanced
pretty far because I don't thinkthey would have started with
fling yourself over a bus. That seems kind of dangerous as
a first attempt. So I think this is maybe part of
a sequence where they're showingus training montage where she's,
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you know, been working up to this and she finally achieves
liftoff and she's able to like, project yourself over this bus.
And I'm sure they've got like a mat or something on the other
side. But I'm also curious, like, is
no one else noticing that they're just this kids just like
flinging herself over a bus? Like, I know it's a junkyard.
I know they use it as kind of like a hideout place.
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But like, the military went looking there for Mike and the
rest of the gang in season 1. I guess it depends if notes were
taken before those people died or bred or took notes on that,
because if they did, they would know about the junkyard or if
they didn't, they might not. But also, I mean, the military's
fairly taking over this town. It was just kind of like that.
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No one's noticed that. Like this girl they're looking
for, the dead chief of police are hanging out there and she's
flinging herself over the bus like that'd not be visible when
she caught some air. I don't know, it might just be
one of those suspend your disbelief type things, but I
just kind of had that thought ofthe military that's been looking
for her for over a year. Didn't notice she just caught
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air over that bus nobody saw. That no, it's just like they
apparently have no idea that that radio station or that radio
tower even exists either. Yeah, it's like, this stuff is
like, the tallest stuff in town.And they apparently have no idea
that radio tower looks tall. And the base of the fact that
everyone's wearing the T-shirts,that makes me think that, you
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know, that they were volunteering there.
But I wonder if they've, like, started working there or they've
taken over running this radio station because whoever was
doing it before either died or actuated.
But apparently this place has like a plethora of T-shirts
going around that just magicallyfit all of them that they're all
wearing constantly. Like, that's the thing.
I'm like, OK, the no time is looking for her, right?
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But they're wearing the T-shirtsthat have the logo out in public
constantly. And not a single person was
like, they're wearing these T-shirts.
You think maybe we should check the radio station?
Like, doesn't that seem kind of dangerous to you?
I know it's like could have saved yourself a lot of trouble
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if you'd just gone there. Yeah.
And, like, I hope there's an explanation for that because,
like, obviously I would have been questioned about her
whereabouts. They obviously know that these
are her known associates, so that would be on file.
And it's like the radio station is tall.
They're clearly working and spending a lot of time there.
And again, she's, you know, flinging herself over buses.
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That would be visible, I'm sure,from some vantage point.
But apparently they've been using this as a training
location for quite some time andnobody caught on.
Unless, of course, maybe the whole thing is that people are
reporting this back and maybe the Lieutenant Akers character
is on their side and just hasn'tbeen reporting it to Doctor.
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Hey, I could maybe see somethinglike that where they do know and
it's not getting back to the bigcheese because someone's running
interference. That would be interesting from a
character of the standpoint. So it'd be cool if that was it.
I hope there's something like that because otherwise it's
like, how would you not notice? It's this stuff is tall.
You'll be able to see it from the air.
There are obviously guard towershere.
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We can see guard towers in this footage.
I hope there's an explanation here because otherwise you have
to suspend your disbelief quite heavily.
And they didn't need to get themto dress in the T-shirts like
they could have had just one character would not have been
suspicious, but multiple characters.
It's kind of. And about what Hopper says to 11
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kind of towards the end of the teaser, he tells her, for this
blood leads. I need you to follow it unless
in this one last time, kid. And in the in the clip, 11 is
actually wearing what looks to be like a helmet, as though like
she's going into some sort of sensory deprivation tank here.
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I feel like this clip is more than likely from either episode
5 or episode 6 because we know from raw stuffers of like all
the clips in this teaser were from either episodes 12345 or 6
Because he said there's nothing from 7:00.
So I feel like it takes place pretty later on in the season.
So I would dare say they're 5 or6.
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But Jasmine, what do you think kind of is going on here in this
frame? Yeah, I'm, I'm curious about
that too, because I don't know, like how she's able to follow a
blood trail through Void. We've never seen her do that
before. But clearly it must be possible
if they're doing it. And clearly they've picked up
some kind of clue or some kind of thing where, you know, she's
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got to follow this to its end point.
And obviously she doesn't want to and Hopper doesn't want her
to have to do it. But it's their only option.
And we talked about this off camera.
But something I loved about thisteaser is you can really see the
difference when it comes to the way Elle was treated.
Someone that loves her and someone that uses her.
Like the way that Brenner and Owens and the military approach
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stuff like this with her versus the way Hopper does is very
different, right? You see those scenes with Elle
in the wet suit and her and Miketalking and Hopper, you know,
saying to her, like, we got to finish this kid.
He always doesn't want her to have to do this.
But they have no choice. And there's just such a
difference there. And I think that parallel is
very intentional where Brenda just kept pushing, pushing,
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pushing her until basically the Demogorgon was on leash and he
just couldn't stop searching forHenry, even though he knew what
he was capable of. And that led to all of this.
And you know, humans Owens that,oh, we got to do this to get her
powers back and the military's convinced won't be killed.
They're just solve all our problems.
Like they just keep pushing and poking stuff they shouldn't be.
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Whereas with Joyce and Hopper, these are clearly people that
love and care for her and that you don't want her to have to do
this, but they have to. And you get that voice over of
like, I need you to fight one last time.
We see Will going down again. And so I'm very much getting the
vibe that obviously they don't want Ellen will to have to do
these things, to have to fight to have to do this.
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But this is the only option. They've exhausted everything
else. There's no other option at this
point. It's clearly painful for them.
Like they don't want to and theydon't want them to have to, but
they have to find a way to do this.
And I think that that's a big part of Elle expanding her
powers is be able to do this with people who are trying to
hurt her, who just want her to develop this not so they can
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like, I don't know, defeat the Russians or explore the world.
They're not doing this for some like hidden agenda.
They just literally want her to get stronger so that they can
defeat the bad guy and have a normal ish type life.
So that really struck me. Even just a wet suit, like she
finally has a proper wet suit. They got her a proper wet suit,
you know, making sure that she'scomfortable, you know, as much
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as she can be. So that really struck me there.
And yeah, I don't know how she'sable to follow blood trail.
Or maybe the blood trail is Vecna's blood trail.
Or maybe the blood trail is fromthe Devak organs or Deva dogs or
some other monster. And then maybe they think it's
going to lead back to the sourceor to Vecna somehow, whatever it
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is. Like I'm guessing she either
just gets there in time, then Vecna burst through on the other
end or she doesn't make it in time because we see that
sequence of vector at the end where he's like found you and we
know this is only up like episodes one through 6.
So fairly vector. I'm guessing he pops out right
at the other. I'm guessing that's like a brief
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moment from six because I don't think they do that reveal any
sooner. That's something I just noticed
while replaying this is in that what I think is part of the
sequence where Joyce is there and it looks like Will's on the
ground. He's like foot is moving.
He's like rithering on the ground.
So I think he is having some kind of like Vecna induced
seizure over here. And when you slow it down, like
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Mike is in front of Melvids in the downtown, there's roll
behind them, those extra kids are behind them.
So and that seemed to be part oflike the military base or maybe
the military base is in downtownbecause this looks like it's
part of the same sequence. And then again, like it looks
like Vecna is coming through. We don't know if he's coming at
them at the downtown or at the base or where this is, or that's
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all part of downtown. I'm just so curious about like,
is this all downtown? What is the sequence events?
What is this blood trail? How is she able to follow it?
Yeah, I, I think they're all part of the same sequence too,
because we see Mike in that frame and behind him is Mel
Vaults. And then when we see like, you
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know, our first actual shot of Vecna now with his back turned
to us, we see a sign for John's.It's John's, then the RadioShack
and then Mel Vaults. So I think this is all part of
the same sequence and that they're all downtown.
But Speaking of ECNA, like, wow,one of the things I know I
talked to you about this, but one of the things I was after
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Season 4, just thinking like, you know, we'll season 5 be just
as intense, just as scary as season 4.
And I feel like it's definitely going to be just from Vecna's
new look alone. I mean, this guy, he definitely
no longer looks even human. And like his hand, like his left
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hand looks bigger than it did last season.
And he's got like these horns all over his back now.
And not only that, but apparently he can now deflect
fire. At first I thought he was
shooting the fire, but he's, if you look at it again, in slow
motion, he's not. Maybe the military personnel is
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trying to burn him, but he's deflecting them.
And so, yeah, I mean, I kind of wasn't expecting for them to
show us him. But, you know, I definitely
wasn't expecting it to be like that because Season 4's trailer,
we got a full view of him, and this time we didn't.
So I think there's obviously something going on with his
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face, or at least the left side of his face.
But yeah, just the chilling, youknow, found you.
So definitely telling us like, yeah, he's been, as much as
they've been looking for him, he's apparently been looking for
them too. And I think this could be a
little bit later on in the season.
But yeah, we're all like just this teaser trailer.
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I mean, this is a teaser trailertoo, by the way.
It's not the the trailer all around, just like hands down one
of the best trailers I think I've ever seen period.
And I'm not just saying that because I'm stranger things
fans. The way it was shot and and
edited outside of really to me that that you seen 11, which I
thought was kind of awkwardly done.
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But other than that, I mean everything was just hitting them
all cylinders. Yeah, it's it's an amazing
teaser. And now that I've slowed down
that shot, you can see drawings to the left and you can say
Melva's to the right to they're definitely downtown.
And I think it might be either Joyce or Mike holding the
flamethrower here because in theprevious shots, we've seen the
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military personnel in this teaser and in the day
announcement one, the military personnel around them are like
on the ground, either dead or unconscious.
And you can see them in the backof the shot when Joyce is
leaning over Will. And so my feeling here is that
these guys have tried to take onVecna.
Whatever my other monsters were there, they got taken out
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immediately because they're dumb, they don't know what
they're doing, and that our heroes basically have to step up
and save the day. They established in Season 4
that nothing with the military does is going to be effective.
So we knew that going in. So I think that maybe this is
like a fighting thrower that like one of them has dropped and
that we see Mike try to protect the other kids.
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So either Mike or Joyce, I thinkhas picked this thing up and
they're like charging at him with the flamethrower and
they're like probably shocked when he like deflects it.
They're like, well, this worked last time.
So they take the flame thrower and then he's just like
deflecting it and they're like, OK, now what do we do?
I feel like that might be the closing shot 46 because that's
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that would be a good cliffhangerto leave it on right for like
the next episode to be like and he can now deflect fire.
That was their big thing. And we know shooting him doesn't
take him out, you know, doesn't doesn't kill him.
We don't hurts him, doesn't killhim.
So we can't use bullets. Bullets only work temporarily.
And now fire apparently only works temporarily.
How do you kill something that can deflect fire and is hurt by
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bullets and fire but isn't permanently killed by them?
What do you do with that and howdo you fight that?
So I think this military base must be downtown because I think
this is part of the same sequence we've been seeing where
maybe they're trying to pass through this base to get to
wherever they're going, or they're downtown doing something
and then all the other guys get taken out and they've got to
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take him on by themselves, whichis absolutely wild.
I was picturing these bases on like, the outskirts of town, but
if they've got one downtown, that is absolutely wild.
And could you like imagine? Like if this is the first time
that other Mike invoice I've ever seen Beckna, like how crazy
that is, I mean, I can imagine the thoughts that are going
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through their heads. Yeah, And I'm definitely
picturing a scene where they getback to the radio station and
Mike running up to Nancy and being like, that is not what
that looks like. You said he looked like this.
He does not look like that. This is what he looks like.
Like, and either being mad at me, like, are you blind or like,
Are you sure he looked like that?
And she's like, yes, he's like, OK, well, he got a new look.
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OK, He has horns now. And then somebody making the 40
joke and it'd be like, God damn it, everybody laughing at me
like, hey, what do we do? He can deflect fire now.
He deflects, he looks like this,he deflects fire.
This is not what we trained for.What do we do?
What do we do, guys? Plus, I feel like that point,
Will's out of Commission, Max isstill out of Commission.
So they got to like look after those guys while like also
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trying to like keep all this stuff at Bay, which I feel like
will be part of the juggling actin this season, which was a big
part of Season 2 when it came toWills.
So I could definitely see them coming back to that in terms of
the plot. Yeah, it definitely will be very
interesting to see how on earth they get out of this situation
that's happening in this sequence because elevens not
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there either. And if fires not going to work,
I guess maybe just running for their lives may do it.
It'll be very interesting for sure to see how on earth they
escape this. Yeah, seeing how our heroes
escape and get back to safety and ultimately kill Vaccine in
the end, I think is going to be super interesting because I I
feel like they're setting up a lot of scenarios here that are
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very tricky and hard to get out of.
And the challenge will be watching them try to figure that
out. And, you know, this is a guy so
powerful that he can just take out, you know, the whole U.S.
military in a fell swoop. You know, I mean, we knew that.
Like we saw him take out, you know, a lab full of people and
children multiple times. So we knew that, but it seems
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like he's gotten even more advanced here.
So that's got to be a big challenge for our heroes is OK,
let's find the guy. And apparently, according to
this, he finds them. So that's not great.
And then they got to figure out how to, I guess, maybe find him
again, kill this guy and defeat all this stuff.
And he's apparently invincible at this point and he's
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developing all these new things and he's so powerful he can take
out anybody he wants. And yeah, that's probably going
to be their their challenge in in season. 5 and that's our
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And then we got our first look at Lambda Hamilton.
Yay. She looks great as Doctor K
looks like she's following Alex Bros character Lieutenant Acres
into I guess where Hopper and 11are.
I think that's safe to say that that's where they are with the
sirens going off and she's wearing a uniform and is
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wielding a a handgun as they're going in.
She's like kind of behind Lieutenant Anchors and some
other military personnel. And so really, I mean, there's
not really much to say about herbecause there's literally on
that, only that one frame of her.
But it was good to see her. It was good to get our first
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look at Linda Hamilton in Stranger Things.
But the biggest question I have is will Doctor K be good or will
she be bad? Yeah, it's hard to say.
I know you and I were hoping fora different role from her
because she's so well known for Terminator, but I'm excited
nonetheless. And I think it'll be interesting
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to see whether actually turns tobe good or bad or more in the
middle. Like Owens is Kind of hoping
they they subvert this and have her turn out to be a good guy or
at least a reasonable person because they've done multiple
different villains and we've hadBrenner, we've had Sullivan, you
know, long time. Don't know.
I was not a fan of that arc. So hopefully it's not something
like that. I feel like it won't because
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that was very one-dimensional. And then the Hamilton, I mean,
you don't hire an actor like that to give one to play A1
dimensional character. But we've also had like a
interesting amount of nuance with Owens and they've done the
kind of like the mad scientists who's all for the great or good
thing with Brenner. So there aren't too many new
configurations for villains in this universe, I feel like, with
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what they've set up. But maybe they'll surprise me.
And I think it would be interesting if they do subvert
that expectation. Have her be good or have it be
more ambiguous. So, yeah, I'm curious to see
what kind of character this is. Does her arc change over the
season, you know, the way Owens did, or does it stay consistent?
Yeah, I'm, I'm curious about that too.
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Or maybe Lieutenant Akers character, perhaps that's more
of the ambiguous or good character and she's more the
foil with a bad guy. I'll definitely be interested to
see how that how that turns out.Yeah, same here.
I still think that 11 needs an ally from the military or
government whose name is not SamOwens.
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And I'm hoping that Doctor K will be that.
Or if she, if she starts out bad, I hope by the end of Season
5 she sticks around that long that she will turn good and
we'll be able to see the light. That's what I'm hoping for.
But yeah, it'll be it's still good to see her, still good to
see Linda Hamilton. And then we have frame of Lucas
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holding a still unconscious Max.They're hiding from the demo
dogs in the hospital and he is wearing a WSQK radio station
T-shirt. So I think it's safe to say that
this is probably not the same like part of the same episodes
as some of like a lot of the other frames in this teaser so
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far. But yeah, it'd be great.
You know, we got in our second look Max this season.
So that was great. Still hate it that she is still
in a coma. I, I, I wonder if Vecna has
found her at the hospital or he unleashed these demo dogs on the
hospital or maybe that frame of Nancy washing her hands at the
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blood. Maybe something happened at the
hospital earlier and the demo dogs detected the blood.
But I mean, it seems pretty clear from this frame that they
are looking for someone. And I think it's Max.
I'm glad that Lucas was able to get her out.
It does seem like they're going to break her free from the
hospital. I mean, I feel like it's in the
definitely not safe in there anymore for her.
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So that's going to be very interesting to see that play out
as well. Play.
Love the Jurassic Park referencein this frame.
I'm looking forward to whatever happens in this hospital because
I'm loving the callbacks to Season 3.
Yeah, it was good to get a a shot of Max that wasn't her
lying in her hospital bed. And in this scene, you can see
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somebody next to focus with a candy striper uniform on.
And a lot of people wonder if that's Vicki because you can see
the red hair. And we know that Maya and Amy,
Beth did film a lot at the the hospital.
It's possible she's also volunteering there and they're
all, you know, maybe taking turns keeping an eye on Max.
And she's unfortunately on duty while, you know, this happens
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and it appears that, you know, Lucas has picked her up.
And as you know, they're trying to shield her.
I think the demo dogs are after Mac specifically because
hospitals are full of blood and people bleeding out and dying
all the time. If the Democrats are indeed
sensitive to blood, if they are speaking it out when they smell
it, I feel like the hospital would be surrounded by like a
whole military team because if they figured that out, like,
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obviously they'd be attacking the hospital 24/7.
So I feel like there'd be protection set up unless it's
the first time they've come out.We appear to be looking for
something this isn't just like arandom attack.
Definitely think they're after Max here and does look that they
are going to have to break her out of the hospital and
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presumably like hook her up to an IV somewhere else.
We do see from the previous footage that her limbs have
healed and so she's only connected to an IV.
So that will make it easier for them to care for her somewhere
else, which is which is good. Can only imagine the reaction of
the deputies when their mom shows up and they're like, where
is my daughter? And they're like, people want
her body snatching like they've stolen the mean one's body.
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I know you and I, we talked about that in an earlier
episode. So it's it's kind of funny that
that's the route they wound up going.
Yeah, and they just snatched that IV right out of there.
Yep, it was it was a snatch and go.
But yeah, I think they're definitely after her.
I feel like this probably happened maybe towards the end
of the four episodes. I don't think they're starting
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with this. And I think the sad part is Max
was probably not intended to be in a coma this long because
seems like the original plan wasto wrap everything up in like
the fall of 1986. Which is why I think they focus
so much on the university and college plans of the older teens
is that they were all intending to go off the following semester
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or whatever. But I think because so much time
has passed, the actors age, theyhad to buff it ahead a year.
And so the unfortunate side effect of that is instead of Max
being in a coma for a few months, which way I think made
more sense, she's been in a comafor like a year or more at this
point. And Lucas has been just at her
bedside, you know, missing her. But it does look like they are
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able to move her. And hopefully, once they've
defeated back to Max, will come back to herself and they will
get their happy ending. And about Nancy and Washington,
lift the blood off her hands. I've seen a few different
theories about this. At first, I thought maybe
something had happened to Ted ora loved one and she's washing
the blood off. But then I noticed that there's
a pink soap dispenser at the kind you find in a public
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bathroom next to her. So there's supposed to be like,
a public place. It could be the hospital but
she's not in her candy strike outfit so unless she's just
clocked off shift but then we see Nancy in the candy stripper
outfit in the basement of radio station and other footage.
Because she does wear at home either to or from worker
volunteering. So it's possible.
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I mean she had clocked off shiftand something happened.
They tried to stay patient. They couldn't.
Or it's also possible she was inanother public place.
It's not the hospital, and something went down.
They couldn't save this person. Poor Nancy, though, we have two
scenes of her in this teaser where she's just sobbing her
eyes out like the poor girl is just going through it.
And that is a lot of blood. Whatever happened to this person
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was totally fatal. Some serious stuff is is going
down. Poor Nancy man.
Yeah, and just, you know, knowing who who Nancy is as a as
a person, I mean, she's one of those who who wants to try to
like save everyone. And and I feel like maybe this
could have been totally random person who she tried to save but
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wasn't able to. And I mean, she's looks like
she's been through it so far in this teaser.
And maybe it's just her breakdown moment of, you know,
feeling helpless. And also because, I mean, she so
far is the only one like Vecna has showed her like the future
or anything too. So I mean, she's seen visions of
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the carnage like this happening.And so maybe there's some guilt
thereof. I wasn't able to save this
person. And also this really, you know,
Vecna really might be successfulwith what he he showed me.
And it also could be he could beTed or someone.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, she is wearing a
sweater, not her candy striper outfit.
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So I mean, it doesn't mean she wasn't visiting someone in the
hospital. But yeah, I mean, I feel like
that also could be a possibilityhere as well.
Yeah, for sure. She could definitely be
visiting. And this is one of the two
outfits we see her and a lot. There's an outfit with like a
pink sweater, denim jacket. We see a bunch and we also see
another one where she's wearing a rainbow sweater vest and a
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pink jacket. So those seem to be the two
core. Outfits.
So I tend to believe that maybe that's earlier on in Volume 1
because we see a lot of footage of it and perhaps these are
either for the same episodes, these two outfits, like 1
episode each, or let me two episodes back-to-back where
she's now wearing the same clothes.
But yeah, I could definitely be guilt.
I've seen people say online thatthey feel like they're parallels
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here with her seeing in Season 2where she's crying in the
bathroom and her parent, like Barb's parents morbidly have
decorated it with pictures of Barb and she's trying to get
through dinner. Also, the Halloween scene in
Season 2, you know, she's got a lot of trauma about losing
friends, losing people crying inbathrooms about things that are
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happening, bad things going down.
So I definitely think this is going to be like really a very
emotional and traumatic season for for Nancy.
And if it is the death of a character, I think it is a
secondary character. I saw stuff going around, people
were saying it's Steve, people were saying it's Jonathan.
I don't think it's either of them.
I don't think it's a main character.
Whoever this is, I think it's either somebody we haven't met
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before, like you said, or it's asecondary character because we
know they filmed for a year. The main cast were spotted here.
They've all talked about those interviews and these people are
so booked and busy that if a main character was absent for
several months, somebody would have picked up on.
These people are so busy they can't just hang around Atlanta
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for an additional six months if they're not filming.
They're very busy and they're feeling for the season
overlapped with other things, which is why some of them
responded filming other things at their places, of course, or
doing other things. So there was a moment, I will
admit, when I first bought this teaser where they showed for
crying in the butt, I was like, Oh my God, I had, I did buy into
the hype for a minute. I will admit.
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I was like, Oh my God, Steve, isit Jonathan?
Who is it? I did buy into it for a minute,
but then I rewatched and I thought about it more and I was
like, no, no, like they're not coming off a main character
here. Somebody would have seen
something. So yeah, I think of this is the
death of a character we do know.I think it's going to be a a
secondary character or someone we've we've never met before.
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And how about Karen and Holly? That was that was an intense
scene of them in in the water I think is the bathtub because you
can see like at the top, it looks like bubbles.
And so I, I feel like the most obvious thing is that they're
hiding from either a Demogorgon or dim a dog.
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Now, what would lead them to hide in the water?
I'm not sure, other than the bathtub was like literally the
only place they could find. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
already like just the intense acting from both Cara Buono and
Nell Fisher already in this one frame.
I'm scared for them. I really am.
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But I'm, I'm loving that we're getting more care and, and
actually getting in on the action this season.
I mean, that's, that is exciting.
Yeah, for sure. And I also think they're hiding
in the bathtub because we got that previous footage of the
Wheeler bathroom with Karen's fluffy pink shoes and it was
behind the scenes of like non alcoholic bubbly of some kind.
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So to me, it seems like Karen was preparing for a nice bath
here and then something happenedand we see the the shot that
Holly's hair is wet. So I don't maybe they were
hiding in the bathtub. Then that scene comes after we
see even grabbing Holly and trying to protect her in a
previous date announcement teaser that we got.
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So I think that something has come at them was a demagogue or
a demagogue. And I think it's definitely a
monster of some kind and Karen has grabbed Holly and they've
run upstairs and they're hiding in the bathtub.
It could be the only place to hide.
It could also be since we don't see water in the upside down by
the time we get to season 4. I think it's also possible that
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either Denmark organs don't and the monsters don't like water.
Their water does something to them or they can't cross water,
or there could be something to do with water.
Because I feel like there's got to be more to it.
Because otherwise, like grabbingyour small child and jumping
into a bathtub does not seem like the safest idea because you
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don't know how you're going to be down there for.
You could suffocate. You could drown.
It leaves you a sitting duck if that thing comes into the
bathroom. Like Karen's pretty smart.
So I feel like maybe there's something to do with water being
like a barrier, like being in the water is going to like
protect them somehow or they think it is.
So poor Karen. She was just looking forward to
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a nice night in with her Bubblesand her bubbly, and Holly was
feeling just chilling in a room doing whatever.
And they're just trying to relaxin the midst of the apocalypse,
man. They're just trying to have a
moment to themselves, you know? And then this happens, and next
thing you know, you're hiding ina bathtub.
As you do I. Mean we all had to do that,
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right? We've all had to hide in the
bathtub. Exactly with with it full of
water? Yes, water.
No less, you know, as you do typical Tuesday.
As you? Yeah.
As you do after you watch TV. As you do.
But now like I wonder, I'm starting to put all these these
pieces of the puzzle together and I'm starting to connect some
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of these these sequences. And we actually got a production
still of this one. But in the behind the scenes
teaser from last year of Holly, she's in her room and then the
lights start flickering. And so I wonder if like Vecna
maybe, you know, is maybe leading her into the bathroom,
like something maybe has gone onthere or maybe like a well to
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season 1 and and episode 3, Holly Jolly and maybe Holly's
trying to tell Karen and and theMcgorgon they I guess one of
them, you know, at least Holly manages to, you know, escape
from that. And then, you know, she comes
into the kitchen and her hair iswet like, you know, after the
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the bathroom and also in the dayannouncement teaser, Karen's
hair was wet and that as well. So I wonder if they were able to
get out of the bathtub and then,you know, something happened.
But yeah, I started to connect the dots here that this these
are kind of related actually, you know, just Speaking of
Holly, like in general, she's growing on me.
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She really is. At first I wasn't sure how I'd
feel about it being an obvious recast, but I mean so far just
from the this teaser and the Bruxon steals, I'm really am
looking forward to following Holly and her journey this
season. Yeah, me too.
I'm looking forward to it as well.
And I also didn't mind the recast when that was announced.
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Like these things happen. They've had to jump a year and a
half into the future, which was not clearly the original plan.
So things had to be made. I was a bit more concerned about
bringing in all these new characters.
What about our originals? Like, that was a huge problem in
Season 4. Like, I love Season 4, but there
were definitely points where it's like, I felt like they
focused more on the new characters when they should have
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been focusing on their originals.
But yeah, I'm excited for Holly's journey.
And we got a production still ofthis scene where she's clutching
her necklace for, like, comfort.And she seems to be looking up
at something. She's in her bedroom, which is
presumably part of the scene where the lights start
flickering. And now that you've said that,
like, you know, putting the pieces together, I wonder if
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this is part of the same sequence at the beginning with
the controlled burn. Like the lights start flickering
all over town and, you know, thedemo gorgons, demo dogs, like,
come out and, you know, they're like lunging at people.
Like, I mean, for all we know, this could also be part of the
same sequence where they got to get Max out of the hospital,
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although I feel like that might come later.
You know, this thing happens, the control burn, the lights are
flickering, Will collapses. These things come at Karen and
Holly. The lights are flickering in the
bunker. Like this could all be part of
the same like nerve wracking sequence where Oh no, the lights
are flickering and then stuff happens like boom, boom, boom,
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boom, boom, like this could all be part of the same sequence.
I mean, no, the vanishing of blank is second episode.
So I mean, this could this couldall be going down the second
episode for all we know that this is Holly's vanishing and
she gets taken. And if that's happened in
episode 2, then the scene with Max could be episode 3 because
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now the Derek Gorgons and demo dogs are like roaming free
around the town. And that could kind of set off
the sequence of events from there.
And it's all giving me the vibe that our heroes planned for
whatever was going to happen. And then whatever Rebecca does
takes them by surprise. They look terrified.
And they would have prepared forevery possible that they could
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possibly think of, knowing what they know after this many years.
So I think that's the scary thing here is that they have.
Clearly been communicating and they have prepared themselves as
much as they can and whatever Becht is doing clearly takes
them by surprise in a way they did not expect, despite what
looks like a year or more of planning here.
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So I think that's the scary thing.
Yeah, I love how you put that too, because I've never crossed
my mind, but yeah, I I feel likeyou could be on to something
there. And like this whole chain of
events, perhaps the frame of Nancy and 11 that's in this
teaser, because someone pointed out on Reddit that it looks like
they are in the Wheeler home andthe clothes they're wearing the
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same clothes as they were in theframe in the radio station
earlier on in the teaser. And like Nancy's hairdo is same
style. She's wearing the same jacket,
11 is wearing the same blue hoodie and but she's got it over
her head probably to conceal heridentity.
And so hearing you say all that made me think, wouldn't it be so
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cool if if all these are part ofthat same sequence, Vecna like
was able to like come over theirmicrophone in the in the radio
station and broadcast to them. I have Holly or something like
that. And that forces Nancy and 11 to
come to the Wheeler home. Nancy's wielding her shotgun.
So it it seems like obviously they came there in an emergency
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style way, so maybe it could allbe a part of the same sequence
in the same episode. And that if that's the case, I
mean, that would be absolutely wild.
Yeah, and you know what just occurred to me?
If Vector's going to project something, I don't think he'd
say that. I think he'd do what he did with
Will in Season 1, where Will's voice comes over the radio.
I think he'd probably just project Holly and Karen's voices
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over the radio so the rest of them could figure out that they
were in danger. And I feel like that would
explain why Unity comes with a shotgun.
Levin comes in, they're chargingin.
And, you know, Levin looks surprised in that scene.
So whatevers, they were surprising to them.
And I wonder if they get there enough time to, like, fend off
whatever's coming at Karen. Like they meant to save Karen in
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time when it grabs Holly or Holly disappears.
And so they managed to shoot it in time to get Karen to safety,
but not Holly. And so like a big part of the
rest of the season is trying to get her back and looks like
Erica could get taken. So again, they're on high alert
for this stuff. So whatever Vector's doing, you
must be changing up their tactics because Erica, Erica can
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see this stuff coming. She's not stupid.
So if she's part of that, he must be radically changing his
tactics in ways that they're, they can't anticipate to get to
them because they know all his old tricks.
So he must be just changing it up on them all the time.
That's the only thing I can think of because otherwise
they'd be prepared for this. So like this could all be part
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of the same sequence in episode 2, which if that's that's what
this is, that is so wild. That is like woof, like they
said it was going to be like pedal to the metal.
And that is like that is that isa complete that is zero to 180
charging down the road if that'swhat this is.
Yeah, cuz usually when that kindof stuff happens, it's usually
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by the end of episode 3. Usually episodes one and two are
mostly like just set up. So, yeah, I mean, that would and
also I'm glad we got this on therecord because if that turns out
to be the case, I mean, we couldsay like, well, we we knew it
was going to happen, folks. That's why you should listen to
our podcast. Yeah, you heard it here first.
Folks. And then another scene we
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absolutely have to talk about isSteve driving his car through
the rift that the barn they've been showing.
I mean, this seems like this scene is either very important
this season or something that the Duffer brothers have just
been really excited about because we've probably seen more
things from this one seen more than really anything else.
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They've got like previz on it and then a lot of behind the
scenes content on it. And so now we're actually seeing
like part of what is actually going on here.
And I mean, definitely big Back to the Future DeLorean type
thing going on here. But I mean, whatever it is,
either they're being chased by something or Steve's just like,
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screw it, we have to get throughthere.
Or maybe they've had a couple attempts to drive through the
riff like slowly, but it's not letting them.
And so Steve's just like, you know what, I'm just going to
floor it. And because we have to get
through there. But I mean, I feel like
considering that they're in the car, maybe they were being
chased by something and had no choice.
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But I'm, I'm very excited to seelike what the rest of this scene
looks like because it's been hyped up so much.
Yeah, I really hope it lives up to the expectations because
you're right, we've seen more ofthis scene from previz to behind
the scenes To tease yourself. Do we have any other scene?
And I think this is all part of the same sequence, because in
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the previz, I was given the impression that they'd fallen
through the Upside Down in the car.
That was not intentional, but inthis sequence it looks like they
are intentionally driving in. If you slow it down, you can see
that the car goes through a fence in someones backyard and
then as they go through the rift, it shears off the side
mirror and he puts it to drive, just floors it as they're going
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down. And this is part of that same
sequence where you see Jonathan Nancy screaming in the back
seat, Dustin screaming in the front seat.
And I, I think this is also partof the same sequence where you
can see the four of them standing outside the the lab in
the Upside Down where it's got her gun with her and they're
standing in front of it. We've seen this shot from the
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front, from behind. And I think that explains why
they don't have facial coveringson because we see 11 put on her
bandana in an earlier scene. And I was wondering, why don't
they have facial coverings? They establish that the
atmosphere down there is toxic in seasons.
You know, one and two. And Steve comments on that in
season 4. And you and I have gone back and
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forth. Are they retconning this?
Whatever. And well, it seems like they
forgot to give them the facial coverings in where they go back
into the upside down in, in season 4.
I'm I feel like maybe they've corrected this now they realize
like, oh, shoot, they were supposed to have facial
coverings that scene, because wedo see it in some of the other
shots. If this is the case where like
there's that shot that was released earlier, Jonathan Nancy
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are in the backseat looking at something behind them like
they're being chased. So I think this is all part of
the same sequence. And I don't know why Steven
Dustin were picking them up. Maybe Nancy couldn't get to her
car for whatever reason, I don'tknow.
But for other reasons, Steven doesn't have picked them up.
They're being chased by something and he's just like,
screw it. And he just floors it and they
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wind up going through the UpsideDown.
And so he has her gun and they have their walkies with them and
that's it. Although why they wouldn't have
some kind of covering in the car, I don't know, but that
would at least explain it. So yeah, I, I just kind of feel
like it seems like, screw it, we're going for it at this
point. Like maybe they've tried before
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or he just realizes that they'reheading towards a rift and
there's nothing they can do. And he's like, all right, I'm
just going to afford it. Because otherwise I feel like it
would kind of go through the riband you'd be kind of like stuck
in the goo, like you kind of be like hanging there.
But I feel like if you gunned it, then you'd go through them.
But it's poor Bimmer, man. I mean, apparently they've
attached like a antenna to the roof.
It's taken off the side mirror. Like it's just that that parked
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car is just going through it. And now I hope we don't have to
say RIP to the Beamer this season, but it seems like that's
probably going probably going tobe the case.
Is the side mirrors any any indication of of that?
But like, Speaking of the lab, yeah, I do think that that's all
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part of this. And we do know that Nancy,
Jonathan, Steve and Dustin are in the Upside Down outside of
the lab. To me, it just reminded me of
the Krill House from Season 4. Like that would seem to be like
the central location of the Upside Down last season.
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And I wonder if the lab is goingto be like that this season.
And I think they're, obviously they're there for particular
reason. I wonder what that is.
And I, I feel like because we know that the upside down is
stuck in 1983, I wonder if they're they're, you know, they
realize they have to go back to the lab on November 6th, 1983 to
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retrieve something that was onlythere during that time.
Now what that is, I don't know. But yeah, I really am intrigued
that it's these 4 specifically that are there.
And also like the crew house from season 4, it seems like the
storm is, is heavier here. So I mean, could this be
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ironically darkness hideaway? I mean, wouldn't, Wouldn't that
be crazy? Yeah, it would be crazy.
I mean, if he was right under their noses at the place it all
started all along, that would beso crazy.
And I feel like they might do something like Vacnum was hiding
in plain sight the whole time because they're thinking this
guy's that, you know, criminal mastermind there.
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Maybe they've overthought the whole thing and it turns out to
be something really simple. I think this sequence is also
part of that scene where we had the shot in the day announcement
teaser where Steve and Dustin are looking up at something and
it looks like they're in the laband there's vines on the ground
and he has his walking with him.I've seen people speculate on
Discord that this could also be the same sequence where we see
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Jonathan and Nancy crying and they're like talking somewhere.
So I think people point out thatthis looks like the Upside Down,
but you don't do the particles like you normally do.
And I've seen people speculate, OK, well, they're outside the
lab. They go into the lab.
If Steve and Dustin go off to dotheir part of the mission,
Jonathan and Nancy go off to do their part of the mission, which
could be a continuation of whatever the heck they were
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doing when Steve picked them up.And that they're doing their
part and they've completed whatever they had to do.
And then they're waiting for Steve and Dustin to radio them
to say, hey, we did our part. And that gives them a moment to
talk about whatever they're talking about here.
And I that hadn't occurred to meuntil I saw that because I was
like, this thing has a weird place to have a conversation.
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They're not wearing any facial coverings.
But if this part of that sequence, that would explain a
lot. And I'm also curious if this is
the same sequence. What the heck Steve and Dustin
are looking at Like what's on the ceiling that they're like,
oh, guys, I could get their expressions give Oh, no, like I
don't think we're going to be able to do this.
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And I don't think it's a rift. It could be a rift, but I feel
like you'd see the red glow if it was a rift.
A rift would not produce that expression because they know
what a rift looks like and they know to expect those.
But there's got to be something going on in that ceiling that
they're like, guys, and I'm, I'mgetting that vibe from a lot of
this season, Like a lot of the teaser stuff is giving the vibe
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of we were expecting this. We prepared for all these
possibilities and then we got there and it looked nothing like
that. And now we don't know what to
do. I think this is all part of like
this one long sequence. And it makes me want to go back
and watch like the date announcement teaser and the
behind the scenes teaser and like look at the old behind the
scenes footage and see if we canfind more of this scene.
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Because whatever this sequence is, I agree it's got to be
either. It's a really cool sequence.
Like they spend a lot of money and time on it, like maybe with
the special effects and or it's really important to the season.
Like it's a very pivotal sequence because we've gotten
more shots of this like photos, videos, behind the scenes,
special effects, like everything.
(32:15):
Then I think any other sequence that we've gotten like so far.
Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I also really loved that frame.
And I mean, at first I thought it was like so beautiful because
the way it mean it to me, it looks almost like like glass
shattering almost or like a hugebolt of like electricity or
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maybe like water, you know, likewhen flexions went with water
and stuff. But yeah, it's like, you know,
what is this? Where is it come from?
And if they are in the lab, why is it here in the lab?
You know, I'm really, really looking forward to what what
that. I think that's if if I had to
say like the biggest question I have from this teaser, it would
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be what is this thing in the ceiling?
Yeah, I feel like those are the big questions.
What is this thing in the ceiling?
And what the heck are they therelooking for?
What are what are they looking to only find here?
Because I feel like this was a planned mission, but it didn't
go to plan. But they were obviously planning
to go there at some point. But I don't think the plan was,
hey, let's get chased by this thing and then have to drive
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into the Upside Down. I don't think that was the plan,
but I think they were planning to go there at some point,
either get something or do something some point.
And it obviously went awry. So yeah, I think those are the
big questions. What's that thing in the ceiling
and what are they there to get or do?
And there's a frame in here of Lucas on the ground in the
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tunnels and he looks absolutely,you know, terrified.
It looks like he may have fell or something and at first
thought there was like blood on his shirt.
But I've also seen some speculation as to maybe this is
like dirt. But you know, for this, I'm not
going to speculate at all that he's not seeing something like a
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Demogorgon or, you know, possibly someone being injured
or whatever here. Because in the Season 4 trailer
when he's like looking up and what we know is the crew house
and like screaming, I did not think that he was looking up at
someone dying. And that's what it turned out to
be. It was he that was when Max was
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being left headed and stuff. And so I'm not I'm not going to
speculate that he's not because I was wrong that time and I
don't I don't want to be wrong this time.
So yeah, I mean, I hope nothing bad happens to him here.
Yeah, me neither. I hope he's OK.
And I really thought this shot was cool because it's the one
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where they zero in on someone's eyeball and it becomes the
tunnel and then you see them running.
And I remember Nell Fisher posted this and she was like I'm
like 90% sure that's my eyeball.Oh, that was funny.
I mean you obviously film so much you're kind of like, is
that my eye? I don't know.
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But I thought the transition shot there from like someones
eye to the tunnels to them running.
We know the tunnels are going tobe a big part of it this season,
but and obviously burning the vines and things down there like
they didn't season 2, they said they were going to come back
from back to a lot of stuff fromseason 2.
So that's not surprising. But I I thought that transition
was just absolutely amazing. And I'm really excited because
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Trader things does transitions really well.
Season 4. It's on my favorite transitions
of the whole show. You know, a lot of the ones that
got to high school were so well done and I'm really excited to
see the ones this season. Like, I mean, where they go from
the eyeball to those could be a real shot from the show, or it
could just be something they edited together, you know, for
the teaser. But either way, I'm just I'm
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really excited for the the transitions this season.
Yes, I'm here. That's always a big reason.
I, I come back to Stranger Things because since Season 1,
they've always just been really good about doing these
transition shots and I'm glad tosee they are also making a
return this season and to do do a transition of my own here.
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And talking about one of the most talked about shots in this
entire tea teaser is of 11 flying.
I definitely was not expecting to see that.
I think if there was anything that was probably the most
unexpected in the seizure, it was that because I was not
expecting that. And I'm still kind of on the
(36:39):
fence about it. But when I first saw it, I was
like, oh, please, please don't do this.
This is my first thought was, oh, please do not become Marvel.
Please don't do this. But after I've rewatched it
several times and just going back to looking at the demo dogs
and the demo Gorgons and I kind of realized, well, that's kind
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of how they jump. And so maybe that's their goal
here is to kind of tell us 11 has always had these abilities
like this and that when she madethat socket touch with the demo
organ and she's one that transferred over to it.
And that's how it was able to dothat.
And so it's it's kind of grown on me a little bit, but I feel
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like it was mostly because the way that this was edited in this
teaser kind of makes it look kind of weird, like she's like
on some kind of jetpack, like when you watch it not in slow
motion. But what are your thoughts on
it? Yeah, I mean, I'm not crazy
about it. I think that was one of the two
parts out of this to you that I wasn't really a fan of.
It looks kind of goofy in my opinion.
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But first I thought she just caught some air that every
watches like no, like she like step and then like jumps and
then flies. So because I thought, oh, maybe
she's just projecting herself. We know she can throw things
with her mind. Maybe she's doing that to
herself. But it's like, no, she's she's
straight up like flying here, like intentionally, like over
the bus. And I'm not crazy about it, but
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I'm willing to give it a chance.I've seen some people post on
social media that Brenner says to her in season 4 that in order
to defeat Henry, she won't just need to walk or run, she'll need
to fly. And that Mike says to her again,
season 4 that you're superhero, you can do anything.
You can fly. And we all just kind of thought
that was like, metaphorical. But I've seen people point out
(38:26):
that maybe it wasn't, that Mike admitted A metaphorical way,
maybe Brenner didn't, that she'sgonna need to literally fly to
be able to, like, battle these things in the end.
I think it's interesting that this is at the junkyard because
it appears to be from the same sequence we've gotten footage of
before where we see Joyce and Hopper there with her and she's
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in this outfit and I think this is them training.
I think there's like a training exercise where she's like
learning how to do this. Although Clique has advanced
pretty far because I don't thinkthey would have started with
fling yourself over a bus. That seems kind of dangerous as
a first attempt. So I think this is maybe part of
a sequence where they're showingus training montage where she's,
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you know, been working up to this and she finally achieves
liftoff and she's able to like, project yourself over this bus.
And I'm sure they've got like a mat or something on the other
side. But I'm also curious, like, is
no one else noticing that they're just this kids just like
flinging herself over a bus? Like, I know it's a junkyard.
I know they use it as kind of like a hideout place.
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But like, the military went looking there for Mike and the
rest of the gang in season 1. I guess it depends if notes were
taken before those people died or bred or took notes on that,
because if they did, they would know about the junkyard or if
they didn't, they might not. But also, I mean, the military's
fairly taking over this town. It was just kind of like that.
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No one's noticed that. Like this girl they're looking
for, the dead chief of police are hanging out there and she's
flinging herself over the bus like that'd not be visible when
she caught some air. I don't know, it might just be
one of those suspend your disbelief type things, but I
just kind of had that thought ofthe military that's been looking
for her for over a year. Didn't notice she just caught
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air over that bus nobody saw. That no, it's just like they
apparently have no idea that that radio station or that radio
tower even exists either. Yeah, it's like, this stuff is
like, the tallest stuff in town.And they apparently have no idea
that radio tower looks tall. And the base of the fact that
everyone's wearing the T-shirts,that makes me think that, you
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know, that they were volunteering there.
But I wonder if they've, like, started working there or they've
taken over running this radio station because whoever was
doing it before either died or actuated.
But apparently this place has like a plethora of T-shirts
going around that just magicallyfit all of them that they're all
wearing constantly. Like, that's the thing.
I'm like, OK, the no time is looking for her, right?
(40:53):
But they're wearing the T-shirtsthat have the logo out in public
constantly. And not a single person was
like, they're wearing these T-shirts.
You think maybe we should check the radio station?
Like, doesn't that seem kind of dangerous to you?
I know it's like could have saved yourself a lot of trouble
(41:13):
if you'd just gone there. Yeah.
And, like, I hope there's an explanation for that because,
like, obviously I would have been questioned about her
whereabouts. They obviously know that these
are her known associates, so that would be on file.
And it's like the radio station is tall.
They're clearly working and spending a lot of time there.
And again, she's, you know, flinging herself over buses.
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That would be visible, I'm sure,from some vantage point.
But apparently they've been using this as a training
location for quite some time andnobody caught on.
Unless, of course, maybe the whole thing is that people are
reporting this back and maybe the Lieutenant Akers character
is on their side and just hasn'tbeen reporting it to Doctor.
(41:56):
Hey, I could maybe see somethinglike that where they do know and
it's not getting back to the bigcheese because someone's running
interference. That would be interesting from a
character of the standpoint. So it'd be cool if that was it.
I hope there's something like that because otherwise it's
like, how would you not notice? It's this stuff is tall.
You'll be able to see it from the air.
There are obviously guard towershere.
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We can see guard towers in this footage.
I hope there's an explanation here because otherwise you have
to suspend your disbelief quite heavily.
And they didn't need to get themto dress in the T-shirts like
they could have had just one character would not have been
suspicious, but multiple characters.
It's kind of. And about what Hopper says to 11
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kind of towards the end of the teaser, he tells her, for this
blood leads. I need you to follow it unless
in this one last time, kid. And in the in the clip, 11 is
actually wearing what looks to be like a helmet, as though like
she's going into some sort of sensory deprivation tank here.
(43:00):
I feel like this clip is more than likely from either episode
5 or episode 6 because we know from raw stuffers of like all
the clips in this teaser were from either episodes 12345 or 6
Because he said there's nothing from 7:00.
So I feel like it takes place pretty later on in the season.
So I would dare say they're 5 or6.
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But Jasmine, what do you think kind of is going on here in this
frame? Yeah, I'm, I'm curious about
that too, because I don't know, like how she's able to follow a
blood trail through Void. We've never seen her do that
before. But clearly it must be possible
if they're doing it. And clearly they've picked up
some kind of clue or some kind of thing where, you know, she's
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got to follow this to its end point.
And obviously she doesn't want to and Hopper doesn't want her
to have to do it. But it's their only option.
And we talked about this off camera.
But something I loved about thisteaser is you can really see the
difference when it comes to the way Elle was treated.
Someone that loves her and someone that uses her.
Like the way that Brenner and Owens and the military approach
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stuff like this with her versus the way Hopper does is very
different, right? You see those scenes with Elle
in the wet suit and her and Miketalking and Hopper, you know,
saying to her, like, we got to finish this kid.
He always doesn't want her to have to do this.
But they have no choice. And there's just such a
difference there. And I think that parallel is
very intentional where Brenda just kept pushing, pushing,
(44:28):
pushing her until basically the Demogorgon was on leash and he
just couldn't stop searching forHenry, even though he knew what
he was capable of. And that led to all of this.
And you know, humans Owens that,oh, we got to do this to get her
powers back and the military's convinced won't be killed.
They're just solve all our problems.
Like they just keep pushing and poking stuff they shouldn't be.
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Whereas with Joyce and Hopper, these are clearly people that
love and care for her and that you don't want her to have to do
this, but they have to. And you get that voice over of
like, I need you to fight one last time.
We see Will going down again. And so I'm very much getting the
vibe that obviously they don't want Ellen will to have to do
these things, to have to fight to have to do this.
(45:09):
But this is the only option. They've exhausted everything
else. There's no other option at this
point. It's clearly painful for them.
Like they don't want to and theydon't want them to have to, but
they have to find a way to do this.
And I think that that's a big part of Elle expanding her
powers is be able to do this with people who are trying to
hurt her, who just want her to develop this not so they can
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like, I don't know, defeat the Russians or explore the world.
They're not doing this for some like hidden agenda.
They just literally want her to get stronger so that they can
defeat the bad guy and have a normal ish type life.
So that really struck me. Even just a wet suit, like she
finally has a proper wet suit. They got her a proper wet suit,
you know, making sure that she'scomfortable, you know, as much
(45:55):
as she can be. So that really struck me there.
And yeah, I don't know how she'sable to follow blood trail.
Or maybe the blood trail is Vecna's blood trail.
Or maybe the blood trail is fromthe Devak organs or Deva dogs or
some other monster. And then maybe they think it's
going to lead back to the sourceor to Vecna somehow, whatever it
(46:15):
is. Like I'm guessing she either
just gets there in time, then Vecna burst through on the other
end or she doesn't make it in time because we see that
sequence of vector at the end where he's like found you and we
know this is only up like episodes one through 6.
So fairly vector. I'm guessing he pops out right
at the other. I'm guessing that's like a brief
(46:36):
moment from six because I don't think they do that reveal any
sooner. That's something I just noticed
while replaying this is in that what I think is part of the
sequence where Joyce is there and it looks like Will's on the
ground. He's like foot is moving.
He's like rithering on the ground.
So I think he is having some kind of like Vecna induced
seizure over here. And when you slow it down, like
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Mike is in front of Melvids in the downtown, there's roll
behind them, those extra kids are behind them.
So and that seemed to be part oflike the military base or maybe
the military base is in downtownbecause this looks like it's
part of the same sequence. And then again, like it looks
like Vecna is coming through. We don't know if he's coming at
them at the downtown or at the base or where this is, or that's
(47:18):
all part of downtown. I'm just so curious about like,
is this all downtown? What is the sequence events?
What is this blood trail? How is she able to follow it?
Yeah, I, I think they're all part of the same sequence too,
because we see Mike in that frame and behind him is Mel
Vaults. And then when we see like, you
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know, our first actual shot of Vecna now with his back turned
to us, we see a sign for John's.It's John's, then the RadioShack
and then Mel Vaults. So I think this is all part of
the same sequence and that they're all downtown.
But Speaking of ECNA, like, wow,one of the things I know I
talked to you about this, but one of the things I was after
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Season 4, just thinking like, you know, we'll season 5 be just
as intense, just as scary as season 4.
And I feel like it's definitely going to be just from Vecna's
new look alone. I mean, this guy, he definitely
no longer looks even human. And like his hand, like his left
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hand looks bigger than it did last season.
And he's got like these horns all over his back now.
And not only that, but apparently he can now deflect
fire. At first I thought he was
shooting the fire, but he's, if you look at it again, in slow
motion, he's not. Maybe the military personnel is
(48:42):
trying to burn him, but he's deflecting them.
And so, yeah, I mean, I kind of wasn't expecting for them to
show us him. But, you know, I definitely
wasn't expecting it to be like that because Season 4's trailer,
we got a full view of him, and this time we didn't.
So I think there's obviously something going on with his
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face, or at least the left side of his face.
But yeah, just the chilling, youknow, found you.
So definitely telling us like, yeah, he's been, as much as
they've been looking for him, he's apparently been looking for
them too. And I think this could be a
little bit later on in the season.
But yeah, we're all like just this teaser trailer.
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I mean, this is a teaser trailertoo, by the way.
It's not the the trailer all around, just like hands down one
of the best trailers I think I've ever seen period.
And I'm not just saying that because I'm stranger things
fans. The way it was shot and and
edited outside of really to me that that you seen 11, which I
thought was kind of awkwardly done.
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But other than that, I mean everything was just hitting them
all cylinders. Yeah, it's it's an amazing
teaser. And now that I've slowed down
that shot, you can see drawings to the left and you can say
Melva's to the right to they're definitely downtown.
And I think it might be either Joyce or Mike holding the
flamethrower here because in theprevious shots, we've seen the
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military personnel in this teaser and in the day
announcement one, the military personnel around them are like
on the ground, either dead or unconscious.
And you can see them in the backof the shot when Joyce is
leaning over Will. And so my feeling here is that
these guys have tried to take onVecna.
Whatever my other monsters were there, they got taken out
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immediately because they're dumb, they don't know what
they're doing, and that our heroes basically have to step up
and save the day. They established in Season 4
that nothing with the military does is going to be effective.
So we knew that going in. So I think that maybe this is
like a fighting thrower that like one of them has dropped and
that we see Mike try to protect the other kids.
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So either Mike or Joyce, I thinkhas picked this thing up and
they're like charging at him with the flamethrower and
they're like probably shocked when he like deflects it.
They're like, well, this worked last time.
So they take the flame thrower and then he's just like
deflecting it and they're like, OK, now what do we do?
I feel like that might be the closing shot 46 because that's
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that would be a good cliffhangerto leave it on right for like
the next episode to be like and he can now deflect fire.
That was their big thing. And we know shooting him doesn't
take him out, you know, doesn't doesn't kill him.
We don't hurts him, doesn't killhim.
So we can't use bullets. Bullets only work temporarily.
And now fire apparently only works temporarily.
How do you kill something that can deflect fire and is hurt by
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bullets and fire but isn't permanently killed by them?
What do you do with that and howdo you fight that?
So I think this military base must be downtown because I think
this is part of the same sequence we've been seeing where
maybe they're trying to pass through this base to get to
wherever they're going, or they're downtown doing something
and then all the other guys get taken out and they've got to
(51:58):
take him on by themselves, whichis absolutely wild.
I was picturing these bases on like, the outskirts of town, but
if they've got one downtown, that is absolutely wild.
And could you like imagine? Like if this is the first time
that other Mike invoice I've ever seen Beckna, like how crazy
that is, I mean, I can imagine the thoughts that are going
(52:19):
through their heads. Yeah, And I'm definitely
picturing a scene where they getback to the radio station and
Mike running up to Nancy and being like, that is not what
that looks like. You said he looked like this.
He does not look like that. This is what he looks like.
Like, and either being mad at me, like, are you blind or like,
Are you sure he looked like that?
And she's like, yes, he's like, OK, well, he got a new look.
(52:41):
OK, He has horns now. And then somebody making the 40
joke and it'd be like, God damn it, everybody laughing at me
like, hey, what do we do? He can deflect fire now.
He deflects, he looks like this,he deflects fire.
This is not what we trained for.What do we do?
What do we do, guys? Plus, I feel like that point,
Will's out of Commission, Max isstill out of Commission.
So they got to like look after those guys while like also
(53:03):
trying to like keep all this stuff at Bay, which I feel like
will be part of the juggling actin this season, which was a big
part of Season 2 when it came toWills.
So I could definitely see them coming back to that in terms of
the plot. Yeah, it definitely will be very
interesting to see how on earth they get out of this situation
that's happening in this sequence because elevens not
(53:26):
there either. And if fires not going to work,
I guess maybe just running for their lives may do it.
It'll be very interesting for sure to see how on earth they
escape this. Yeah, seeing how our heroes
escape and get back to safety and ultimately kill Vaccine in
the end, I think is going to be super interesting because I I
feel like they're setting up a lot of scenarios here that are
(53:48):
very tricky and hard to get out of.
And the challenge will be watching them try to figure that
out. And, you know, this is a guy so
powerful that he can just take out, you know, the whole U.S.
military in a fell swoop. You know, I mean, we knew that.
Like we saw him take out, you know, a lab full of people and
children multiple times. So we knew that, but it seems
(54:10):
like he's gotten even more advanced here.
So that's got to be a big challenge for our heroes is OK,
let's find the guy. And apparently, according to
this, he finds them. So that's not great.
And then they got to figure out how to, I guess, maybe find him
again, kill this guy and defeat all this stuff.
And he's apparently invincible at this point and he's
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developing all these new things and he's so powerful he can take
out anybody he wants. And yeah, that's probably going
to be their their challenge in in season. 5 and that's our
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!