September 14, 2025 • 61 mins
Episode 28: "The story of Jeremiah & Kimber"
Jeremiah Lowrie, 44
Helena, Mt
What happens when the systems designed to protect children fail? In this raw and unfiltered conversation, I welcome Jeremiah, a father locked in a years-long custody battle that exposes troubling flaws in our family court system.
Jeremiah shares his journey as a dedicated father to eight-year-old Kimber, describing how he went from being the family's primary caregiver to fighting for the right to protect his daughter. The love between father and daughter radiates throughout their story—
Jeremiah recounts how his attempts to report alleged abuse led not to investigation, but to his own persecution. Through it all, Jeremiah maintains that the courts have never allowed him to speak his truth.
The conversation explores how initial court filings create immediate advantages, how allegations can be weaponized, and how those without financial resources or legal knowledge are particularly vulnerable.
The mental health toll becomes painfully evident as Jeremiah describes the support mechanisms that keep him functioning through this ordeal. His powerful closing advice to others facing similar battles—"Hold the line"—serves as both rallying cry and survival strategy.
This episode isn't just one man's story; it's a window into how custody battles can devastate families and a call for greater accountability in a system where children's wellbeing should always come first. Listen, share, and join the conversation about how we can better protect our most vulnerable.
Jeremiah wanted to dedicate this episode to Danielle Moore.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, welcome to Hanging with Humans podcast.
This is me, rj.
I am here in Helena Montana andI have a special guest today
Jeremiah.
Say hello, jeremiah.
Hello.
Jeremiah is a new friend ofmine.
I just met him today and I'mtrying to set up another camera.
(00:25):
So if it doesn't work, thenwhat else?
But uh, I can edit this all out.
Um, yeah, so I'm sitting herewith jeremiah.
How you doing, jeremiah?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Um, yeah, I got to hang out with jeremiah the last
couple hours and it's been awonderful time doing the
pre-interview process.
This episode is gonna be.
I mean, it's gonna be good fora lot of different reasons, but
there's a lot of reallyimportant information that's
gonna come out of this,especially with a lot of people
(01:01):
going through this same sort ofthing in different places but
like custody battles, thejudicial system, when it comes
to how that works exactly, andsome of the things people go
through from the standpoint fromthe male perspective.
So I'm going to be able to kindof share that today because,
(01:26):
you know, you never know whatkind of position you could be in
and it just it really helps tohear these things.
You know, I've heard a lot ofthings on podcasts that have
like totally changed my way ofthinking and, you know, I feel
like there's a lot of that sortof information in this episode.
And Jeremiah is a very solid,good dude and one of the most
(01:52):
like loving, caring, exciteddads that I've ever been around.
Now I've only been around himfor a short time and yeah, we
just we just recently met.
We have a mutual friend whokind of set this up for us, and
yeah, so how are you doing today, jeremiah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Good man.
So we went over some stuffearlier and went through,
checked out some paperwork, andso I know this is like a super
touchy sort of situation, um, soI appreciate you being here and
(02:33):
doing this.
Uh, I know how important, um, Ithink we both know how
important mental health is intoday's day and how, uh, you
know how much it affectseverybody and people around us,
people close to us in yourrelationships, and the type of
toll it can take on us.
So I think you'll be able tokind of give us some insight on
(02:55):
what that looks like.
But, yeah, so, starting fromthe beginning, the story of
Jeremiah and Kimber Jeremiah,you're 44, and your daughter,
your daughter, kimber, is eightyears old.
From the looks of it, she seemslike your best friend.
Yeah, pretty much right, I gotpictures up all over the house
(03:21):
and, you know, show me yourphone.
It was an awesome slideshow ofpretty much everything in the
world you guys do together and,yeah, I could just I could feel
the love that you have for her,just for being around you this
much.
So, yeah, we'll start with,like, the backstory to
everything.
Tell me about you and yourdaughter.
(03:44):
Not quite where we're at rightnow, but yeah, yeah, yeah, give
me the situation Like prior.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, well, I was doing a lot of the
responsibilities.
The whole 10 years I was withKimberly's mom.
I was working, dropping thekids off in the morning, getting
dinner before I picked up thekids, pick up the kids, go home,
figure out dinner.
Then Kylie would get home andlike the whole right, when she
was getting home, everybody, thewhole mood would change,
(04:20):
everything's all good.
And then Kimber was three.
I didn't really care, like wedidn't have a relationship, like
things were just for the kidsand, uh, I would fall asleep,
usually on the couch.
If she didn't, one of us wouldbe in the bed and one of us
(04:40):
would be on the couch and likeit wasn't romantic, it wasn't
fun.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Together just because that that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was uh, it was because I was a dick dude, to be
honest, really, because shewouldn't help with nothing, man.
I had to make sure the kidsclothes were clean and make sure
they had food or make sure thelunch bill was like you pay all
the bills, work, get the kidsfrom school, drop the kids off
in the morning like we, thatwould get me wrong.
(05:08):
I enjoyed doing all that shit,like I didn't want to change any
of that.
Yeah, I didn't request tochange any of that, that's for
sure, dude, because I could makesure it was done and done right
and, uh, like they werelearning.
And I don't necessarily evenagree with the schools anymore
with some of the shit I've seen,but that's a whole different
episode or three.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, right, yeah, it's tough in today's society to
even know what's going on.
We're not there, you know.
I feel like they've shifted thepower you know from the parent
over to the teacher.
I'm trying absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Once you, once you leave your kids, you can't the
school here.
When I drop my daughter off, Ican't even go walk up in there
without someone buzzing me andit's a compound.
Not a school, it's a compound.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I guess, because like uh, all this issue and all that
stuff, yep.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Alleged protection.
But like I understand all that,I just don't agree with.
I can't walk right up into theschool and drive my daughter
whenever I want, because Ishould be without telling
anybody what I'm doing.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Different times every couple years.
It'll change this way and it'llchange that way.
But no, it's been kind oftrending that way for a while,
where they're like we needsecurity guards with guns all
the time and like the teachersneed to be, you know, like I.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I know some teachers that I would love if they were
armed.
Bro, right, I would be tickledpink.
I would sleep 10 times betterif I knew some of the teachers
that I know yeah, four to fivetucked in their waist kept it in
.
Yep, yeah, that'll take it.
That'll pretty much handle someissues it will.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Anybody with you know proper firearm handling.
It's going to benefit them inany scenario.
You know, teacher or not evenbeing out on the street, but
just knowing your way aroundthat and how to do that.
It's AI.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's similarly around that and how to do that.
It's ai, it's somewhere you'rerequired.
Nice, pretty cool, that ispretty cool.
I need one of those.
I could like make a phone calland turn that on when it's gonna
, you know transcribe all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It'll separate you and the person you're talking to
.
Yeah, I didn't mean tointerrupt you.
No, you're good.
Yeah, no, so.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Anyways, I'll make a long story short with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she came home.
I came home.
She's packing a box full ofmakeup taking off.
I was like, if you left thekids with me, everything was all
dandy.
Like weeks go by, dude, weeksgo by.
Her son eventually went withhis dad.
He can stay sure, but ifsomebody else wants a child, so
(07:47):
Josh shows up for his kid.
Then she started coming here andterrorizing us.
Dude, we would hear her coming.
Kimber was stark blind and herolder sister called her mom.
Once we have this documentedand reported to the court, her
(08:12):
older sister called her mom andher mom did the bad act and she
was sitting down the road.
Alright, yeah, she wasn'tcoming here only if she had to.
She was sitting down the roadand we all thought and felt that
Kylie was going to come, do herthing that she does to us and
terrorize us all.
And the cops won't come and doanything to you.
(08:33):
I don't know what the deal iswith her, but they won't do
anything.
They won't stand up to her,they facilitate every time.
Yeah and done.
Part of the problem is she getsaway with it every time.
So of course she's going to doit again.
I get in trouble, she gets awaywith it.
She gets benefits from fuckingme over and I get more fucked
over.
It's a win-win for her untilshe wants money.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's like y'all off track, all right, so well.
I mean we're going to get intothat, but yeah, go ahead.
So that situation it becomestoxic, it becomes.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So her mom's sitting down the road and, as we thought
, kylie pulls in, kimber startscrying and Kendall, my older
daughter, calls her mom.
Mom, she's doing it, hurry up,right, she's tired of this shit,
dude, enough's enough.
So, uh, kylie's in the houseflipping out trying to take
kimber and kimber's running awayfrom her and screaming and
(09:32):
yelling and I'm recording it and, uh, I don't like that in the
first place, I don't want todocument it.
It's happening dude it's fouland I don't want to play it.
I don't want to hear it.
It's horrible to experienceit's.
Why would you want to act likethat or put your kids through
something like that, when yourkid's screaming at you to leave
them alone?
Leave them alone, for heaven'ssake, dude.
(09:53):
So anyways, now my ex shows up.
Sorry, you can edit that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, I did.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
My ex shows up my first ex.
She's a good mom.
Nice Kudos to that mom.
We got some good ones here sheshows up and she's like the fuck
is going on here All right, andshe's going to whip BM's ass if
shit don't tone down right now.
Yeah, she dominates the wholesituation.
She knows I ain't going tofight a woman.
(10:21):
Yeah, she knows I ain't gonnafight a woman.
Yeah, but I don't.
So that leaves Kendall nextbiggest and that ain't gonna
work.
So number one mom shows up andBM just hits up.
Don't say bye to anybody, juststraight out the door.
In the US, as soon as we had acredible and reliable witness,
(10:44):
somebody who would stand up forus, all of a sudden can't talk
or nothing anymore, just tuckedher head and out of here, flying
out of here, and I was like,yeah, dude, I was like, can you
hang out for a while?
I'm like sitting there watchinga movie and mom's like I got to
go.
And I was like, can you hangout for a while?
(11:05):
I'll never forget that Causeshe was like, no, I gotta go.
Like bye, thank you.
Like everything's back tonormal, all the kids are fine
and everything's back to normaland we know we got at least a
good solid week before shit goesdown again, all right.
So like she goes, whatever itis she does, I don't know, I
don't speculate, I don't care, Idon't want to wonder.
It's all just toxic poison thatyou don't need to worry about,
(11:33):
do you?
I don't want to even talk aboutit or remember it, but I want
this to be done.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I don't want to ever have to talk about it and this
takes care of that.
Yeah, no, for reals, I'mkidding.
You're going through a processright now, uh with uh.
But you know things that I'veheard recently.
Um, I guess there's a, uh, Idon't know.
I guess, culturally, a lot ofpeople think, um, that there is
(11:58):
a bias in the judicial system,in the court systems, when it
comes to children absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Once they choose a parent, this is what happens.
All right, I'll I'll lay it inthe judicial system, in the
court systems, when it comes tochildren, yeah, absolutely, once
they choose a parent, this iswhat happens.
All right, I'll lay it out foryou.
Two parents go in because onepetitions for it.
Boom, right off the bat, theone that petitioned for it is
going to get a higher standardand more concern when they're
reading the paper, when theyenter a motion, motion, it's
(12:25):
going to be answered right away.
It's it's like, respected andhonored, all right, not even
just on it.
But, uh, whether you lie orwhether you, uh, whether you
violate the fucking parentingplan, even, dude, they just go
ahead and keep your back becauseyou're the petitioner, right,
and that's just right off thegate.
Now, if you're a woman andyou're in the state of montana,
(12:48):
it's a state for them, all right, all she's got to do is say
that I was abused.
Boom, I lose all credibilitybecause she said that.
Yeah, all right, and they holdthat to us, like.
We believe her period, like.
So they take that as solid factand enter into the court, the
(13:09):
record of the court, that you'rea liar, that you're a perjurer,
that you're going to tell liesand you're going to try to
wheeze a lot of shit.
And right off the bat, theysaid that and they haven't even
met you yet.
They ain't even met you yet.
Yeah, that off the bat theyalready knew.
They said that and they haven'teven met you yet.
They ain't even met you yet.
(13:29):
Yeah, that's bad.
So then you figure out how torespond to this, that, whether
you're a woman or a man, you gotto respond to this that the
other one filed and you have.
No, they got a one-up on youright there because they've done
already, figured out how to doit and what it is right.
So you're in the dark raisingyour kids, happily smiling, and
then next thing, you know youdon't get to see your kid
because you don't know how todecipher the court document.
But if you don't respond, itautomatically goes into effect
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what the first parent proposes.
If you don't respond, you'refucked and they can propose to
most of the land.
If you're not paying attentionand you don't read and you don't
respond, you are fucked.
Now what the other part?
If you don't have wheels or theability to get to the law
library or get online, if youcan't have a printer, if you
don't have access to a printerand computer knowledge to type
(14:18):
some shit up, no chance.
If you can't buy an attorneyyeah, there's a million other
ways I I can keep going.
You want me to continue on?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, you had, you Like, there's a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
When you're the plaintiff, all's la-la-la,
rainbows and ice cream, right.
But when you're the defendantor the respondent, it says both
by the way on there defendant orrespondent, plaintiff defendant
or respondent, plaintiff,defendant or respondent.
Yeah, I got to be a defendant,I got to defend myself Right off
the bat.
Their document is claimingitself to be an attack.
(14:57):
How often do you think the manis ever in the position?
In Montana here it's 70-30.
70% men, but still there's agood solid 30% of women that are
getting fucked over.
70% men, but still there's agood solid 30% of women that are
getting fucked over, but the70% of men won't talk about it,
are ashamed about it or don'tgive a fuck.
There's three categories theywon't talk about it, they're
ashamed about it, or they don'tgive a fuck and they're not
parents anyway.
That's up there.
(15:19):
That's ruled out.
The moms most likely have otherissues they don't want to drag
into it, or other events thatthey don't want to expose, other
violent offenders, otherpredators that they're afraid to
tell Like who knows?
(15:39):
Seriously, but I've seen alittle bit of all of it.
Parents that, um, I've helpedand I've gotten to a point where
I'm like you really do need toget help before you can get the
kids and like you need to finishthat chapter.
And then, uh, you're at a pointwhere you do got to prove stuff
, like they want me to provemyself, prove myself of what I'm
(16:03):
.
I'm not a drug addict, I'm notan alcoholic, I don't have a
criminal history, I don't have abad driving record.
I don't have.
I'm not a violent offender, I'mnot a sexual offender.
I'm not listed on any ListsLists for I don't have.
I don't have fictitious names.
I don't have fictitious names.
(16:25):
I don't have accusations oflying before this custody court
and then claiming contempt.
I've never been even ticketedwith, by the way.
I've never even received aticket for a violation of a
crime or a statute.
I've just been accused ofcontempt.
Contempt is a misdemeanor andthey've even gone from.
(16:46):
Oh yeah, you won't take a plea,agreement.
Well, we'll go ahead.
I'm going down this list ofnine contempts and I've got five
of them dismissed and there'sonly four left, and I called the
clerk and I said I'm coming upon you and they didn't like that
.
So they dismissed that and theyrefiled it as felony charges
(17:07):
for the last four.
The remaining four, they haverenamed what they're going to
call my charges, my counts,three different times.
They've renamed them, renamedthem Like start.
I'm going to just no, wait aminute, wait a minute.
We're just going to change it.
Now they have it saying stalkingand all kinds of shit.
Yeah, dude, all kinds of shitthey have in one of their papers
(17:30):
.
They have it claimed that I amsuicidal or homicidal or both.
One of the prosecutors wrotethat in their fucking paper and
I felt it necessary to file mypapers, filing with a different
county and a disclosure that Iwould never tell myself.
(17:54):
And they're trying to put wordsin my mouth.
And where did that come fromthat I'm suicidal.
I'm not homicidal or suicidal.
I don't have any trying to putwords in my mouth.
And then where did that comefrom that I'm uh, uh, suicidal.
I'm not homicidal or suicidal.
I don't have any.
Uh, I've never hurt anybody.
Nobody's ever been hurt on mywatch.
No, sir, no, thank you, I don'ttolerate bad behavior.
Uh, well, and that goes all theway up to the judge.
(18:15):
I guess is where we're at.
Yeah, that's why I'm you uhpretty much.
Uh, damn it, I just lost this,sorry you're like my grandma
would say you should be ashamedof yourself.
That's what I told him, bro.
That's what I told him.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Um, sorry, that changes your bail uh, so I I
know we're going to get intoexcessive fines, insane
stipulations and stuff like that.
I want to describe yourinteractions with the judge in
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terms of how did you?
You know, you seem like a veryintelligent man and a very
loving father and you know howto present yourself and how to
speak to people.
What was your approach in goingto talk to the judge about all
the things that occurred?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Every single time I've attempted to talk to Judge
McMahon, he either hurts me orshuts me down, one of the two.
He's never listened to me talk,ever once.
No, no, years and years andyears, three years now, and he
won't let me have my peace.
He won't let me say my bit.
Never, never once has he let mesay my bit?
(19:36):
And these would all besituations where Hurt me means I
go to jail Yep, I should shutup.
Means I go to jail yep, Ishould shut up, I go to jail.
Uh.
Hurt me means I'm gonna raiseyour bond, just something I know
you ain't got.
Hurt me means I'm gonna add agps monitor even though you
didn't violate anything.
Yeah, oh yeah yeah, I'm gonnaadd, you need to have a gps
(19:58):
monitor.
That just is more money, moreshit I got to do.
Remember to charge it.
Don't forget to charge it,cause if you don't charge it,
you go to jail right now.
It's funny you forgot to chargethat shit.
Come on For real.
Yep, yep, I'm not an alcoholic.
I don't have an alcohol charge.
(20:25):
I don't have any chargeswhatsoever.
I'm accused of contempt andthey use that to just monopolize
and terrorize our lives.
Okay, we're in line every timethey hurt me, it hurts her and
like I'll make it, but it hurts,it hurts, hurt, dude, and I'm
not gonna be quiet because ithurts her.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Like if it was just me, maybe I wouldn't say nothing
, maybe I wouldn't even feel theneed, but it hurts her.
So here we are.
Here we are, um, speaking of mymom, left me with the pedophile
(21:17):
.
She called him and that meansmy mom left me with.
I need to get her out of therebecause she don't want to be
with Doug.
And then Doug takes her phoneand turns it off.
So I called for a welfare checkand the officer told me no.
And then, when the officerfound out it was rightfully my
day with Kimber, he decided tostop communicating with me and
(21:41):
send me an email that says we donot enforce parenting plans and
then excommunicado.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No more talking.
He showed me some of thepaperwork and there's I mean,
I'm not a lawyer or anythinglike that, but I've read some
shit in here and I'm like thisshit made up, you know what I
mean?
That's pretty crazy, yep.
But, like I said, I'm not alawyer.
So yeah, uh, yeah, but youcan't make that shit up, dude.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You can't make it up.
Not at all.
And it's fucking.
They not like they know.
They're aware, they're aware.
They're aware.
They're hoping that I get introuble.
They're hoping I get entangledin something or die.
Probably their greatestaspiration would be that I just
die.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What is it exactly?
The vendetta is against you, sothat way you know.
Like we said, I'm a.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I told the first custody judge that he is out of
order.
He's a conflict of interest andhe's not looking out for the
best interest of my daughter.
And he in fact committedcriminal child endangerment by
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removing my daughter from aprotection order.
He removed her name from alegitimate protection order from
the justice of the peace thedistrict court took.
He had jurisdiction over it andhe just took her name off,
which is not not cool, dude.
Like homeboy tried to light heron fire yeah yeah he, she had a
(23:18):
legitimate order protection.
They left me hanging with anorder of protection that
protected me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, we're not going to go super detailed into it
but this situation kind of is anX and that X is significant
other or something along thoselines of you know someone,
another, uh, and jeremiah's umchild you know, in visitation
(23:46):
stuff, and that other person, uh, and this is, uh, you know
annotated stuff, core systems,that uh, this person you know
probably shouldn't be aroundanybody's kids, anybody's kids,
uh, from what I've gathered.
So all of these things thathe's talking about you know very
passionately about.
(24:06):
You know it's hard to try andput yourself in someone else's
shoes, to fathom what it mightbe like to have to deal with
someone else.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Not when it comes to your kids.
If you think, if your childtold you that they were abused
at the other parents, what doyou do?
You raise the red flag, youcall the cops, you call CFS.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I guess how did that become a bad idea?
And wait a minute, I'm the onewho called the cops and I'm the
one who called CFS and I'm theone who called the cops and I'm
the one who called cfs and I'mthe one who lost custody.
There's no, not a single reportof anyone being hurt on my
property or on my watch.
No reports of me ever beingabusive dude, except from her.
And uh, you saw the letter ofher retracting her statements
(24:53):
when she made her falsetestimony that put me in jail.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's, there's funny, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Once they make a mistake that they know could be,
they know could come back tohaunt them, they'll keep Like
ten times the magnification ofhow much they were protecting
that person before they go on tooverdrive.
Now they have to keep it theway it is.
(25:23):
They have to keep appearancesthe way they are.
They have to keep appearancesthe way they are.
They can't let the other personwin.
So they don't, they just don't.
It doesn't matter if you have alegitimate claim or not.
It doesn't matter if you have alegitimate paper.
It matters if you have anattorney or not.
That can help.
But even if you have anattorney, you can't make a judge
(25:43):
recuse themselves.
And there's a case you can lookinto for Cascade County that I
just read about.
A judge wouldn't recuse herselfand a detective was involved in
helping prosecute an innocentman and I can't remember the
(26:06):
names.
But the lady that won the casetook over the presidency of the
company and a dude like JesusChrist and he sat nine months in
jail before someone got him out.
The judge put him in there anddidn't even have a release date.
I want to say but nine monthshe sat there and it was wrongful
accusations, wrongfulimprisonment and it was all a
(26:27):
cascade judge, a female cascadejudge 2021, maybe, but that
scares me because Judge McMahonhas been here an awful long time
.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
It's yeah, when there arephysicians that are meant for
like this many years, but it'sfive, six, seven times that it
becomes like this is just mineforever and I can do whatever I
want.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yep, whatever I want.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, but I mean, those things are in place for a
reason, I feel like.
And if they, if everyonedoesn't agree on them, then
let's re-vote on them and figureout a better way to do it,
because when the eruption.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You've been involved with the Furlong case, studying
that.
Uh no, please, the Furlong case.
He's the president.
The Matt Furlong guy is thepresident of the Montana Child
Protection Alliance and he wasbusted for a whole slew of
fucking pedophilia.
Pedophilia he got a whole tonof shit off of his computer,
(27:33):
yeah, and Judge McMahon tried toinstantly get the kids back
into Angie Furlong's custody hiswife's custody Holy shit, dude.
When I read that it was awritten order to follow the
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current parenting plan.
Dude, it said follow thecurrent parenting plan.
He was trying to force somekids back into an abusive
household right away.
Upon finding out that, homeboysbusted.
It's a sting operation and thefeds are now involved.
Uh, so there's a big oldspotlight on this thing and I'm
like they're the first people Icalled when kimber starts to
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abuse.
That's just great, that's dandy, so like.
So I posted on facebook.
I said look how high up theladder the pedophile ring goes.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you seen the movie Spotlight?
So it actually it was a newsCharlie Till.
News journalism team andborrowed, and I want to say it
was in the 90s or 2000s, butthey basically busted open the
catholic church uh, being, youknow, tied in with all that
stuff in the east, the romancatholic church.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Don't get me started yeah but uh, but no, you got
that.
You got that under.
I was just teaching kimberabout the roman catholic church.
We were doing a study about howmany people have been executed
under the consignment of theRoman Catholic Church, and it's
an unknown number, an unknownongoing number.
There's lists and lists ofdifferent places that have
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compiled records of their peoplethat have been executed by
order of the Roman CatholicChurch.
When I found out, dude, it waslike a year ago I found out that
the Pope was in league withHitler.
They don't teach you that inschool.
I had to put that togethermyself.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You gotta follow the white rabbit yourself.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I had to put that together.
But like they called it, theydidn't even say Italy was part
of.
You know what I mean?
They didn't even say italy waswas part of.
You know what I mean?
They didn't even.
They didn't even disclose thatin school.
They didn't even they just gavethe letter to it I want to say,
italy wasn't even in a lot ofwhat we know is not worth but
yeah, anyways, when I figuredthat out, uh, I was like, but
(29:56):
wait, the whole, the whole worldlike holds the Pope as like the
highest authority when it comesto it.
We like forget what happened.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's what people do .
Thank you, Um so.
Contempts dismissed how manytimes?
A bunch of times, right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I got five of the nine dismissed and then they,
they uh, dismissed the four.
The remaining four, all right,and then they refiled the
remaining four with a differentname under the same number and
they tagged felony and they werecontempt and they changed their
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names and they put a felonywhere it said misdemeanor crime
and I was like they amended it.
They amended it, it's bad andthey stacked the charges.
I don't know it was a.
That's crazy uh another kick inthe nuts because when they
dismissed it I was like right onsomebody's listening and then
(30:57):
they try to hit you with a crazybond, right, yeah?
right off the bat.
Right off the bat, right offthe bat.
When they refiled, they wanteda warrant.
They wanted me to go to jailand do fingerprints because of
the new charges.
Right, when you get charges,you got to go get booked, and it
ain't always a book and release.
I sat there for four days andgot out for $1,100.
(31:18):
Right, they revoked my bond.
I don't remember the first one.
They gave Kylie a no-contactorder because she didn't want me
to be able to be a dad.
It's awful.
Like I didn't do anything for ano-contact order.
(31:38):
Yeah, but there was a day thatthere was nobody to talk between
the two of us and I just saidwhere?
What did I say?
I said, does Doug really haveCOVID and where am I supposed to
bring Kimber?
(31:59):
Yeah, and I probably talkedsome shit.
Yeah, I said bring Kimber.
Yeah, and I probably talkedsome shit.
I probably talked some shitabout what.
I want to bring Kimber back tosomewhere where you got COVID.
You already did, right, butlike, I got to do this anyways,
or they're going to take Kimberagain, right?
Yeah, they revoked me on thatbecause I was questioning where
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to bring him, and they because Iwasn't going to bring them and
they because I wasn't gonnabring timber or something, I
don't know.
They came and arrested me and,uh, two thousand dollars to get
out on that one.
And now the bondsman's my goodbuddy and we know each other by
name.
Now I'm like, yeah, uh-huh,yeah, buddy.
When someone says, all right,good buddy, that don't mean that
yeah, you're a good buddy dude.
(32:40):
No, the more, the more they sayit, the more you should really
like Ray the Nightmare.
What was I saying earlier?
What was that?
I said earlier that people saya lot there you go, there you go
, there you go, and that shit.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So this is actually just like a little side story.
Kimber's eight right now, right, yep, and all this court shit
fees.
Everything is really a pain inthe balls when it comes to
burning a apartment.
Yeah, I'm drained, I'mcompletely drained.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't have fucking.
I got 38 bucks, dude, 38 bucksbut we got food and a house and
a thing we got the power on.
Yeah, yeah, and that's allwe're gonna look at.
We always only care about beingfed and smiling and smiling
yeah, we like to smile.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But your super genius daughter.
What did she do financially?
A smart move that she did foryou.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, the other day we were driving around in the truck
and we're all bumping tunes andshit, like we always are, and I
got my hat and shades on.
She's over there in the front,got her hat and shades on and
she's doing the mail, openingthe mail and telling me that I
need more money.
All right, she's like you needyou got.
Oh, here's another bill.
The power bill is 283 orsomething right.
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And I'm like, yeah, I figuredit was about 100 bucks.
Uh, I got that, though I justgot to get my check.
And she's like all right, soshe's continuing open mail and
she starts asking me questions.
And she's on her phone now andshe keeps asking me questions.
She gets done and she shows mewhat she did and I'm like what
the?
I'm still driving?
(34:17):
And I get home and I read myemail and she got us approved
for a $500 credit card and likeshe goes that's my $500.
And I'm like you don'tunderstand, dude, they're not
just giving you $500.
And she's like look, $500.
(34:39):
I got you approved.
You guys recording, sure are.
Can I get some keys?
Like I'm off, but look five onhis bottom.
I got you approved five minutesrecording.
Yep, yeah, you sure are.
Can I get some keys?
No, you gotta wait a minuteright now.
Look at me, it's all nervous,he's just gotta wait now.
He should have been awake.
Um, so she's like well, that'smy 500 bucks anyway.
(35:02):
And I was like every time youspend that money you have to
take money away from the moneyshe thinks grows and and do her
trip.
Like there's a little spot, alittle heavy on her side in the
truck and when I got change I'llput dollars in there and fives
and stuff or like.
Sometimes, like when I get goodchecks, it'll be like a 20 spot
(35:22):
.
So sometimes there's money inthere and I'm like you know, you
know your truck money grow spot.
And she's like uh-huh.
I was like when you spend moneyon the, on the plastic, you
gotta send money back to payback the money that you spend
and you'll have to take it fromyour truck spot money.
And she was like uh-uh.
I was like, well, where thehell are you gonna get it?
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And she points at me and runsoff laughing dude, that's
hilarious.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Like daddy's, not a bank, um do you want to give him
the can real quick?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
no, no, no, he can wait, we can finish sound good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Um, so I'm kidding these.
Uh, there's a lot that wentinto it, but it ended up, you
know.
Just we need to say the charges, and there's what the charges
are.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All just communication, violation of
communications.
They're claiming stalking, butthat's only because I leave work
from my residence to go to workat 8 o'clock every day up until
Monday through Friday.
That's where you can find meleaving my house at 8 o'clock
every day.
If it's monday through friday,that's where you can find me
leaving my house at eighto'clock.
Yeah, guarantee you, whether I'msick, it's rainy or snowy or
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shitty, I go to work because itmight not be sick and rainy and
snowy and shitty at the job site20 miles away or 30 miles away
or three hours away, right?
Uh, so I'm driving by tom pumpand he's telling him one day and
the idiot in front of me veersoff and like all erratic
movement, and I drive by andlook and it's my ex and her
pedophile boyfriend, right, andthey called the cops and said I
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was following them, you know,and I was like they don't live
in East Helena, I live in EastHelena.
I was leaving my town to go towork.
Dude, they were in my town.
I didn't even know they werethere.
I was telling the cop.
I was like, dude, I didn't evenknow they were there until
they're driving like morons,like they alerted me to their
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presence, so they turned outinto stomping.
Yeah, one of the charges thatthey have currently pending on
me have already got dismissed inmunicipal court that they won't
recognize that.
It's the same thing, even thoughthe dates coincide perfectly.
They won't recognize it.
It's been dismissed.
I've already been sentenced andcharged for what they hold
(37:37):
against me right now.
I forgot to tell you about that.
I've already been sentenced forwhat I stand trial for.
That doesn't make sense, doesit?
But it happened.
I was sentenced to six monthsand a $500 fine, all suspended
on the contingency that I couldwalk or it wouldn't afford, and
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I didn't have a choice.
In that I didn't get to defendmyself.
In that there was no trial.
In that there was no dueprocess.
It was just a conclusion madeby the court and an order that
was signed as a sentence and iteven said on it sentence,
sentence.
I was already sentenced.
(38:20):
So what they have on me incourt right now I've already
been sentenced for.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And then yeah, there you go, so there's all that, and
do you believe that?
Uh, it goes like from top tobottom, like uh, for instance,
we were going through this stuffand you got online to check
your files for the courtdocuments.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, I had a share file that you just witnessed
disappear before our very eyesand it had videos that I already
had downloaded.
Thankfully, they all justdisappeared right there.
You saw it it disappears.
You try to click the file andit's poof be gone.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, that was pretty crazy and that's something you
can usually just get in grabyeah and grab whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I can look at it, share it, do whatever I want.
It's all uh.
It's all uh.
Record of the court and myfiles.
You know, my sheriff hold themcrazy.
Um, so the lady who built thatI I can't contact anymore, is it
?
I tried to email her one dayand that connection has been
terminated.
That's crazy.
It's like blackout shit, dudefor sure, some places I go they
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won't even deal with me.
Dude, like like, like I, I not,it's like I'm an alien or
something, you're just not acitizen.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And it's crazy when.
Crazy, when all these differentdepartments and all these
different things are supposed tobe out for public interest and
helping, and especially the kids.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, they're sworn.
Their sworn duty is to serveand protect us, and goddammit,
they're not.
We need to do something aboutit right now, dude.
We need to do something aboutit because they're getting
stronger and stronger the morewe just let them.
The stronger they get, theweaker we get.
It's all mental, dude.
It's all mental.
And a normal person that doesn'thave a support group, that
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doesn't have money, has a normaljob, barely gets by but getting
by, undergoes this shit fromthe court.
And they target them.
They decide they're the parentthey're gonna target.
They're gonna target one of thetwo, sometimes it's both.
And then they take the kidslike they've had their eye on
kimber the whole time.
They can take kimber from kylieeasily because they know
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kimber's abused with kylie.
They can fucking do it.
All they got to do is get meout of the.
All they got to do is get meout of the way.
All they got to do is get meshut up, silenced, in jail,
whatever.
They can take our daughter.
That's what the goal is fromthe beginning.
That was the goal number one,because she's a shining,
bright-ass light of goodness.
Dude, they don't like that.
They want to snuff that shitout.
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But if we don't all stand up anddo something, dude?
They already are lawless.
Why are we going to known andlisten to and respect
lawlessness in our court?
You don't listen to them, youdon't do what they say.
You don't go to jail, dude, no,Get out of jail free right now.
All of us stand up.
All those guys in jail half ofthose guys could show me papers
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that were legitimate.
Let me go.
They should be able to presentthose to the jailer, just like I
got papered.
And you say to the jailer thatthis is not grounds for my
incarceration and you have nochoice but to release me.
They have no choice but torelease you unless they have
other papers that are that are,uh right, conflicting with that,
(41:44):
yes, or or overpowering.
But if you, if the only papersthat are holding you you can
pre-write that in there um areillegitimate, they have no
choice but to release you, butthey won't yeah, exactly,
theoretically and with actuallike three times when I was
there.
I requested to make a phone callto diamond one.
(42:04):
They wouldn't let me do that.
I asked for a link to the fbiand they wouldn't let me do that
.
Um, they wouldn't let me on themain line downstairs for your
free call or free or whateverwhen you first go tail, because
I had already requested to callthe FBI and 911.
They didn't know if 911 wouldwork, but they didn't want to
let me bum down.
I wanted to find out.
(42:26):
So bad.
911 don't work from the jailcell, but I bet you it would
work from holding.
I bet you they should work fromthe jail cell because you're
still a citizen of Roe, it'strue, and an emergency is an
emergency.
And just because they're thecops, don't make them there to
protect you.
Jailers aren't cops, they're um, they still swear.
(42:49):
You know All these people swearthese oaths and, uh, they're
holding their fingers behindtheir back, crossed, and smiling
and laughing at you whilethey're doing it.
And you can see them doing itbecause their hand is behind
their back and they're holdingtheir finger, dude, like, get
the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
What would you say you got to?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
say you got to say to defend yourself and protect
yourself.
You have to say I accept youroath that you made to defend and
protect me.
And then you recite your rightsand constitutional freedoms and
then, um, anything after that,dude like, is there gonna just
(43:28):
deny you?
Or?
Or uh, lock you up.
Dude, I don't know, I don'tknow anymore man, they're gonna
just lock you up.
Dude, I don't know, I don'tknow anymore, man, they get,
they're gonna just lock you upat the fight.
That's why I said don't let itwalk you up yeah if it's wallace
, then why would you have tolisten to that?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
you don't, but just like I guess, if you don't
understand the system, you knowand and there's a lot of
intimidation in that governmentas well- that's where they won't
get me, though, because thatdon't work for me.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
If you threaten me, I'm going to do the opposite of
what you're aiming for.
You shouldn't threaten me Allright.
Eight months taken away, yeah so, uh, the fourth time Kimber
told me she was abused.
She was, uh, on a camping tripand they put a rock in her and
(44:29):
then they saw blood.
The Doug Doug, the pedophile'schildren had her at the river
while Doug and the mom weresleeping.
They put her.
She said that they held me downin the deep water after they
saw blood and they did thatthree times but I died.
I was teaching her how todefend herself a little bit, but
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more than that, I was teachingher how to swim.
The week prior to that she waswith me most of the time and I
almost taught her how to swim,but the court separated us.
What she told me is she swamout.
I said how did you get awayfrom them?
And she said she swam out, hurtthem both and ran back to her
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mom and her mom screamed at theboys and then told her not to
tell me or she'll never get togo back to her mom's camp.
That's exactly what my daughtersaid.
I filed with the court emergencycustody and intervention papers
that made a report to CFS,called the sheriffs, called the
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police.
I did what I was supposed to dodude and Bunk and I said I am
not this at the fourth time.
You guys have failed to protecther three times prior to this
and this is the fourth time.
And I'm not giving her back toher mom.
It was time to put my foot down, dude.
And when they say, yeah, you'reright usually, but no, still,
(46:00):
dude, still they want to be, uh,talking about how I made.
I would never say some shit likethat to my little girl, the.
The idea itself is preposterousand I'll, for fucking, even
think about you, but to put iton paper that I might be lying
to keep kimber.
I don't want to keep kenra frommy mom.
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I don't ever want to keep herfrom any of her family.
I want to keep her safe.
You stupid me.
That's my job, dude, right?
That's what a dead dog is.
I'll go to jail over and overand over again.
As long as I'm on thatguideline and I'm following that
code, and they can stuck it foryou, I'm going to read this
letter.
This was after.
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I mean, he made a report that Iwas abusive and I abused her.
I went to jail and then I gotout of jail and my place is all
raided, my garage all tornthrough and the doors wide open.
The Christmas tree tipped over,the dog shits everywhere and
the dog's sitting there in apile of a torn up couch smiling
(47:04):
at me and like, uh, blb.
I get out of jail and the nextnight I pull in and she's in the
driveway dude, there's aprotection.
And she's in the driveway.
Dude, there's a protectionorder.
And she's in my driveway.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I'm going to read this letter real quick To help
me make concern.
On the day of 12-18-2014, I,kylie Clark, was not physically
harmed by Jeremiah Lowry.
I did not feel there was a needto call the police.
While talking to Officer Bragg,he never informed me that I was
being recorded.
I feel this is a violation ofmy rights, Thank you.
So yeah, there's been a lot ofturbulence and craziness going
(47:44):
on for a lot of years and uh,but uh, why, why, why is it
always like the finger trying toget pointed back?
Like you know, like theincident?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
happened Because I'm a dick.
I'm a dick and I can't help it.
When my kid is being abused andput at risk, that amplifies,
I'm a dick, yeah.
And when people are willinglyand knowingly letting that shit
(48:18):
happen, that amplifies and thatcontinues to trickle into an
exponential.
So you take, I don't know, I'mtrying to work on it, dude, but
when you need to be a dick, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Well, so when you take away the being a dick part,
which people?
It's not the end of the world,right, but you got your own
business.
Yeah, you know, you do verywell for yourself.
You take care of your daughter,and then some of you guys are
very close.
It's almost like they want tomake you into something else
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that you're not.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
They want me to be someone that I'm not, because
you're everything I swear andthey can't make you in this like
something else that you're.
They're not going to be someonethat I'm not because you're
everything I swear and theycan't make me not swear.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
They keep trying with uh tough if, if it has nothing
to do with hurting your kids andnot right?
Are you genuine?
Generally just like a pretty,you know, laid back?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't just volunteer being a dick.
Yeah, you have to draw out mebeing a dick.
You have to poke at that for awhile either just volunteer
being a dick.
Yeah, you have to draw out mebeing a dick.
You have to poke at that for awhile.
Even I'm not even gonna let youhave that for the first three
times yet, but on the fourthtime you get I'm a dick.
It's the fourth time here andit's the fourth time that I that
I warned you, I warned you, Iwarned you, and then I warned
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you, I warned you, I warned you,and then I warned you again.
And now warnings are done.
I figure that's fair, right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
For me to go that far should be a testament to the
court of my patience.
I feel, yeah, no, every timeI've ever been pushed to like an
extreme degree or something.
I mean, I don't know, At theend of the day, I can always
work on myself, no matter what Iwork on myself.
Yep.
So this cool last littlestretch we're going to do here.
I wrote down mushrooms, mentalhealth and systemic legal issues
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.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
So mental health is a big part of this.
If I didn't have microdosesdude of the mushrooms I would be
lost, I'd be done.
I don't even know where I wouldbe.
I wouldn't have a home, that'sfor sure.
I wouldn't still have my job.
I wouldn't be able to fightthis the only way I can keep it
together mentally after life,especially after this.
(50:34):
Last time my anxiety wasalready I'm haywire dude.
And then they arrest me at theclerk's window while I'm trying
to file paperwork that says thatthey are malicious intent.
Their malicious intent needs tobe stopped and I need sanctions
provided for Kimber and I toprotect us against these.
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They're arresting me while I'mfiling this dude and, like that,
fucked me up a little bit thistime.
Bro, I don't know I'll get overit.
I'm a little twitchy now butyeah, rightfully so, man.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
You went through a lot and you know it's still in
the middle over it.
I'm a little twitchy now, butyeah, rightfully so, man.
You went through a lot, youknow, still in the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I still haven't even fully Like I woke up this
morning and I still haven't evenfully dove into what really
just happened, dude, but theylocked me up for nothing and on
a no bond until I saw the judge.
And then the judge was justcompletely biased and completely
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cruel and it was designed todestroy me and lose my home.
If our mutual friend didn'tbail me out then I would have
lost my home, my job, at leasttwo jobs that I have lined up.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah.
No, he's a good dude and he'shelped me a lot too as well.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
The mental targeting that they do, dude.
They're well-practiced at it,they know what they're doing and
they won't just crush a normalperson without any defense,
without any mental defense orblockers.
Walk right through them, dude,plow them, destroy them, turn
them into nothing, dude, andmost likely incarcerated nothing
Incarcerated, wondering whatthe fuck just happened.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Poor fucking people dude.
And then kids that are abusedconstantly it's crazy, man, it's
a big problem right now in thiscountry and, uh, I'm not an
expert in it by any means oranything, but uh, I'm an empath
and I feel for people and I feelfor women and children, uh,
(52:52):
especially, you know, stuff hitscloser to home, sometimes a lot
too, and so I mean I hate thatyou're going through what you're
going through but I was broughtinto it for a reason, like I
think that I need to do what I'mdoing and that's what I'm
supposed to be doing, and I justhate that Kimber has to live it
(53:15):
with me, I guess Because itbecame about me and it's not
supposed to be and it hurtsKimber.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
It's a custody parenting plan.
It's supposed to protect herand all they do is hurt her and
one day, dude, they will fuckingpay, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
One way or another.
I'm going to do some questionsand then we'll finish with that
Cool.
What role do you think societalstereotypes about men and women
play in legal outcomes?
Because you were saying earlier, you think it's like 70 30 70,
(53:57):
30.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, the women get um.
It's uh like lying is condonedand rewarded um.
They just got to do their partyou know.
You know how life works corrupt,corrupt ass.
I don't know why it is the wayit is, dude.
Well, my ex herself is a goodliar.
I lived with her for fucking 10years and I want to say maybe
(54:24):
the first two were good and thenevery year after got worse and
worse.
It worked all the way up toabsolutely horrible and like I
was really glad and relievedwhen she was gone, when I had
the kids and everything was fine.
It was a good feeling, bro.
It was nice.
We went through chaos andnightmares too.
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It's cool, it's all quieter.
I even remember my olderdaughter coming out on them and
she goes.
It's so nice here now and it'sall like birds.
All you can hear is the birdschirping and like everybody's
just chilling.
They're not even tv on ornothing.
There ain't no music playing.
It's just all chill andpeaceful and nice, like, yeah,
(55:06):
besides johnny out there makinga ruckus, it's all peaceful, as
always here, dude, it is, andthat's how we like that here do.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
It is and that's how we like that.
Uh, that's, that's like, uh,definitely a must, absolutely,
um any resources ororganizations that you found
helpful with this process you'regoing through right now um,
yeah, we never got into it.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
But, child, I sent all of the information my bills,
kylie's bills.
They came in hot, wanting 500bucks a month or something.
I sent her my bills that I hadto pay they were still coming to
me my bank account and theletter of exactly what happened.
And the person that opened myletter and read my letter was a
(55:52):
good person and wrote me aletter that said we will not be
collecting money from you forher.
This case is closed.
Have a nice day.
And I was like I like this guy.
I got that plastered out in mygarage on the wall.
That's one of my favorite bits,along with that letter from her
that that proves that she justdoes and says whatever.
(56:15):
If she's pissed, she'll saywhatever.
If she's not pissed and needssomething and needs something,
it has to involve she needssomething.
But then, oh, here I'll writethis letter and tell them I was
lying, fucking tongue.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Damn.
All right.
I think this is going to be areally good one to go out on If
somebody is listening right nowand they're in a dark place,
like you have been and you were,and you're kind of still going
through it how or what are thewords or what would you want
(56:51):
them to hear?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I remember this.
I needed to say this.
You know, hold the line, that'ssomething.
Yeah, hold the line, hold theline, hold the line.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah, because you ain't alone, dude it uh, it's
hard to be able to talk aboutthis type of thing, but I'm
pretty sure you understand theimportance and significance of
(57:19):
doing it and you know, like yousaid, I wouldn't wish some
situations upon my worst enemy,and you know so.
If anybody's going through itout there, you know, talk to
somebody.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, I wouldn't wish the court.
Don't ever call CPS.
Don't ever call the sheriffs.
Don't go to the court for helpif you need custody help.
Holy shit, what a doomingexperience.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, that's going to be rewritten.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
That needs to change, but that will only change as if
the citizens unite and stopbeing little bitches dude and I
don't foresee that anytime soonunless as if the citizens unite
and stop being little bitchesdude and I don't foresee that
many times soon, unless somebodymore important than me gets
yanked into this dude.
You know what I mean.
Like fuck.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
All it takes is hearing somebody do it first and
to fire someone up.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Someone did and I wanted to make sure I said her
name it is, it is, it is, it isUh.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
You learned from this person.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
She went to the courthouse to shoot the judge.
That was my custody judge.
She took six bullets for it andshe prompted an investigation
into our local courthouse andher name is Danielle Moore.
And she's my fucking hero, dude.
That is a hero, yep, like.
(58:51):
I don't condone going to shootthe judge at all, but I can
sympathize and understand whereshe was, because he made some
pretty strange feelings andemotions happen in me.
Yeah, when they separated us foreight months.
It came to Christmas Day, right, yeah, and the judge ordered to
(59:14):
bring Kimber for at least ahalf hour, right, and I was
talking to kimber in the morningand kindle was sitting in there
and I was talking to kimber onthe phone and I was like we're
ready for you, um, we're waitingfor you to get here.
Kindle's ready to open herpresents too.
She's waiting for you.
And Doug took the phone fromKimber and he said well, you're
(59:37):
going to be waiting a long time,motherfucker.
And then he hung up.
They didn't let us talk againand they never did show up with
Kimber, and that's somethingthat Kimber holds on to, that
she uses as fire to have a greatheart against those two thieves
.
Yeah, she makes them pay, bro.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Well, she seems like a little fireball.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yep, she's a little fireball.
Yep, she's got it handled.
If I didn't cover it or crossthe T's, she's a dot in the I
dude.
She's got me covered, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well, I think you're doing a good job, man.
Thank you Right on, man.
Thank you so much for your time.
I don't know where to start.
I feel you.
We had a day today.
And thank you everybody forwatching.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
And yeah, put some awareness out there and see you
later, Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Boom Nice, thanks, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Nailed it, bro.
I don't know if I'll ever haveto do that again no, never again
but we got it just what weneeded.
You know, like pearls.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
It don't get more real than that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
No, it doesn't get more real than that.
Hello, welcome to Hanging with Humans podcast.
This is me, rj.
I am here in Helena Montana andI have a special guest today
Jeremiah.
Say hello, jeremiah.
Hello.
Jeremiah is a new friend ofmine.
I just met him today and I'mtrying to set up another camera.
(00:25):
So if it doesn't work, thenwhat else?
But uh, I can edit this all out.
Um, yeah, so I'm sitting herewith jeremiah.
How you doing, jeremiah?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Um, yeah, I got to hang out with jeremiah the last
couple hours and it's been awonderful time doing the
pre-interview process.
This episode is gonna be.
I mean, it's gonna be good fora lot of different reasons, but
there's a lot of reallyimportant information that's
gonna come out of this,especially with a lot of people
(01:01):
going through this same sort ofthing in different places but
like custody battles, thejudicial system, when it comes
to how that works exactly, andsome of the things people go
through from the standpoint fromthe male perspective.
So I'm going to be able to kindof share that today because,
(01:26):
you know, you never know whatkind of position you could be in
and it just it really helps tohear these things.
You know, I've heard a lot ofthings on podcasts that have
like totally changed my way ofthinking and, you know, I feel
like there's a lot of that sortof information in this episode.
And Jeremiah is a very solid,good dude and one of the most
(01:52):
like loving, caring, exciteddads that I've ever been around.
Now I've only been around himfor a short time and yeah, we
just we just recently met.
We have a mutual friend whokind of set this up for us, and
yeah, so how are you doing today, jeremiah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Good man.
So we went over some stuffearlier and went through,
checked out some paperwork, andso I know this is like a super
touchy sort of situation, um, soI appreciate you being here and
(02:33):
doing this.
Uh, I know how important, um, Ithink we both know how
important mental health is intoday's day and how, uh, you
know how much it affectseverybody and people around us,
people close to us in yourrelationships, and the type of
toll it can take on us.
So I think you'll be able tokind of give us some insight on
(02:55):
what that looks like.
But, yeah, so, starting fromthe beginning, the story of
Jeremiah and Kimber Jeremiah,you're 44, and your daughter,
your daughter, kimber, is eightyears old.
From the looks of it, she seemslike your best friend.
Yeah, pretty much right, I gotpictures up all over the house
(03:21):
and, you know, show me yourphone.
It was an awesome slideshow ofpretty much everything in the
world you guys do together and,yeah, I could just I could feel
the love that you have for her,just for being around you this
much.
So, yeah, we'll start with,like, the backstory to
everything.
Tell me about you and yourdaughter.
(03:44):
Not quite where we're at rightnow, but yeah, yeah, yeah, give
me the situation Like prior.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, well, I was doing a lot of the
responsibilities.
The whole 10 years I was withKimberly's mom.
I was working, dropping thekids off in the morning, getting
dinner before I picked up thekids, pick up the kids, go home,
figure out dinner.
Then Kylie would get home andlike the whole right, when she
was getting home, everybody, thewhole mood would change,
(04:20):
everything's all good.
And then Kimber was three.
I didn't really care, like wedidn't have a relationship, like
things were just for the kidsand, uh, I would fall asleep,
usually on the couch.
If she didn't, one of us wouldbe in the bed and one of us
(04:40):
would be on the couch and likeit wasn't romantic, it wasn't
fun.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Together just because that that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was uh, it was because I was a dick dude, to be
honest, really, because shewouldn't help with nothing, man.
I had to make sure the kidsclothes were clean and make sure
they had food or make sure thelunch bill was like you pay all
the bills, work, get the kidsfrom school, drop the kids off
in the morning like we, thatwould get me wrong.
(05:08):
I enjoyed doing all that shit,like I didn't want to change any
of that.
Yeah, I didn't request tochange any of that, that's for
sure, dude, because I could makesure it was done and done right
and, uh, like they werelearning.
And I don't necessarily evenagree with the schools anymore
with some of the shit I've seen,but that's a whole different
episode or three.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, right, yeah, it's tough in today's society to
even know what's going on.
We're not there, you know.
I feel like they've shifted thepower you know from the parent
over to the teacher.
I'm trying absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Once you, once you leave your kids, you can't the
school here.
When I drop my daughter off, Ican't even go walk up in there
without someone buzzing me andit's a compound.
Not a school, it's a compound.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I guess, because like uh, all this issue and all that
stuff, yep.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Alleged protection.
But like I understand all that,I just don't agree with.
I can't walk right up into theschool and drive my daughter
whenever I want, because Ishould be without telling
anybody what I'm doing.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Different times every couple years.
It'll change this way and it'llchange that way.
But no, it's been kind oftrending that way for a while,
where they're like we needsecurity guards with guns all
the time and like the teachersneed to be, you know, like I.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I know some teachers that I would love if they were
armed.
Bro, right, I would be tickledpink.
I would sleep 10 times betterif I knew some of the teachers
that I know yeah, four to fivetucked in their waist kept it in
.
Yep, yeah, that'll take it.
That'll pretty much handle someissues it will.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Anybody with you know proper firearm handling.
It's going to benefit them inany scenario.
You know, teacher or not evenbeing out on the street, but
just knowing your way aroundthat and how to do that.
It's AI.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's similarly around that and how to do that.
It's ai, it's somewhere you'rerequired.
Nice, pretty cool, that ispretty cool.
I need one of those.
I could like make a phone calland turn that on when it's gonna
, you know transcribe all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It'll separate you and the person you're talking to
.
Yeah, I didn't mean tointerrupt you.
No, you're good.
Yeah, no, so.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Anyways, I'll make a long story short with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she came home.
I came home.
She's packing a box full ofmakeup taking off.
I was like, if you left thekids with me, everything was all
dandy.
Like weeks go by, dude, weeksgo by.
Her son eventually went withhis dad.
He can stay sure, but ifsomebody else wants a child, so
(07:47):
Josh shows up for his kid.
Then she started coming here andterrorizing us.
Dude, we would hear her coming.
Kimber was stark blind and herolder sister called her mom.
Once we have this documentedand reported to the court, her
(08:12):
older sister called her mom andher mom did the bad act and she
was sitting down the road.
Alright, yeah, she wasn'tcoming here only if she had to.
She was sitting down the roadand we all thought and felt that
Kylie was going to come, do herthing that she does to us and
terrorize us all.
And the cops won't come and doanything to you.
(08:33):
I don't know what the deal iswith her, but they won't do
anything.
They won't stand up to her,they facilitate every time.
Yeah and done.
Part of the problem is she getsaway with it every time.
So of course she's going to doit again.
I get in trouble, she gets awaywith it.
She gets benefits from fuckingme over and I get more fucked
over.
It's a win-win for her untilshe wants money.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's like y'all off track, all right, so well.
I mean we're going to get intothat, but yeah, go ahead.
So that situation it becomestoxic, it becomes.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So her mom's sitting down the road and, as we thought
, kylie pulls in, kimber startscrying and Kendall, my older
daughter, calls her mom.
Mom, she's doing it, hurry up,right, she's tired of this shit,
dude, enough's enough.
So, uh, kylie's in the houseflipping out trying to take
kimber and kimber's running awayfrom her and screaming and
(09:32):
yelling and I'm recording it and, uh, I don't like that in the
first place, I don't want todocument it.
It's happening dude it's fouland I don't want to play it.
I don't want to hear it.
It's horrible to experienceit's.
Why would you want to act likethat or put your kids through
something like that, when yourkid's screaming at you to leave
them alone?
Leave them alone, for heaven'ssake, dude.
(09:53):
So anyways, now my ex shows up.
Sorry, you can edit that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, I did.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
My ex shows up my first ex.
She's a good mom.
Nice Kudos to that mom.
We got some good ones here sheshows up and she's like the fuck
is going on here All right, andshe's going to whip BM's ass if
shit don't tone down right now.
Yeah, she dominates the wholesituation.
She knows I ain't going tofight a woman.
(10:21):
Yeah, she knows I ain't gonnafight a woman.
Yeah, but I don't.
So that leaves Kendall nextbiggest and that ain't gonna
work.
So number one mom shows up andBM just hits up.
Don't say bye to anybody, juststraight out the door.
In the US, as soon as we had acredible and reliable witness,
(10:44):
somebody who would stand up forus, all of a sudden can't talk
or nothing anymore, just tuckedher head and out of here, flying
out of here, and I was like,yeah, dude, I was like, can you
hang out for a while?
I'm like sitting there watchinga movie and mom's like I got to
go.
And I was like, can you hangout for a while?
(11:05):
I'll never forget that Causeshe was like, no, I gotta go.
Like bye, thank you.
Like everything's back tonormal, all the kids are fine
and everything's back to normaland we know we got at least a
good solid week before shit goesdown again, all right.
So like she goes, whatever itis she does, I don't know, I
don't speculate, I don't care, Idon't want to wonder.
It's all just toxic poison thatyou don't need to worry about,
(11:33):
do you?
I don't want to even talk aboutit or remember it, but I want
this to be done.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I don't want to ever have to talk about it and this
takes care of that.
Yeah, no, for reals, I'mkidding.
You're going through a processright now, uh with uh.
But you know things that I'veheard recently.
Um, I guess there's a, uh, Idon't know.
I guess, culturally, a lot ofpeople think, um, that there is
(11:58):
a bias in the judicial system,in the court systems, when it
comes to children absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Once they choose a parent, this is what happens.
All right, I'll I'll lay it inthe judicial system, in the
court systems, when it comes tochildren, yeah, absolutely, once
they choose a parent, this iswhat happens.
All right, I'll lay it out foryou.
Two parents go in because onepetitions for it.
Boom, right off the bat, theone that petitioned for it is
going to get a higher standardand more concern when they're
reading the paper, when theyenter a motion, motion, it's
(12:25):
going to be answered right away.
It's it's like, respected andhonored, all right, not even
just on it.
But, uh, whether you lie orwhether you, uh, whether you
violate the fucking parentingplan, even, dude, they just go
ahead and keep your back becauseyou're the petitioner, right,
and that's just right off thegate.
Now, if you're a woman andyou're in the state of montana,
(12:48):
it's a state for them, all right, all she's got to do is say
that I was abused.
Boom, I lose all credibilitybecause she said that.
Yeah, all right, and they holdthat to us, like.
We believe her period, like.
So they take that as solid factand enter into the court, the
(13:09):
record of the court, that you'rea liar, that you're a perjurer,
that you're going to tell liesand you're going to try to
wheeze a lot of shit.
And right off the bat, theysaid that and they haven't even
met you yet.
They ain't even met you yet.
Yeah, that off the bat theyalready knew.
They said that and they haven'teven met you yet.
They ain't even met you yet.
(13:29):
Yeah, that's bad.
So then you figure out how torespond to this, that, whether
you're a woman or a man, you gotto respond to this that the
other one filed and you have.
No, they got a one-up on youright there because they've done
already, figured out how to doit and what it is right.
So you're in the dark raisingyour kids, happily smiling, and
then next thing, you know youdon't get to see your kid
because you don't know how todecipher the court document.
But if you don't respond, itautomatically goes into effect
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what the first parent proposes.
If you don't respond, you'refucked and they can propose to
most of the land.
If you're not paying attentionand you don't read and you don't
respond, you are fucked.
Now what the other part?
If you don't have wheels or theability to get to the law
library or get online, if youcan't have a printer, if you
don't have access to a printerand computer knowledge to type
(14:18):
some shit up, no chance.
If you can't buy an attorneyyeah, there's a million other
ways I I can keep going.
You want me to continue on?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, you had, you Like, there's a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
When you're the plaintiff, all's la-la-la,
rainbows and ice cream, right.
But when you're the defendantor the respondent, it says both
by the way on there defendant orrespondent, plaintiff defendant
or respondent, plaintiff,defendant or respondent.
Yeah, I got to be a defendant,I got to defend myself Right off
the bat.
Their document is claimingitself to be an attack.
(14:57):
How often do you think the manis ever in the position?
In Montana here it's 70-30.
70% men, but still there's agood solid 30% of women that are
getting fucked over.
70% men, but still there's agood solid 30% of women that are
getting fucked over, but the70% of men won't talk about it,
are ashamed about it or don'tgive a fuck.
There's three categories theywon't talk about it, they're
ashamed about it, or they don'tgive a fuck and they're not
parents anyway.
That's up there.
(15:19):
That's ruled out.
The moms most likely have otherissues they don't want to drag
into it, or other events thatthey don't want to expose, other
violent offenders, otherpredators that they're afraid to
tell Like who knows?
(15:39):
Seriously, but I've seen alittle bit of all of it.
Parents that, um, I've helpedand I've gotten to a point where
I'm like you really do need toget help before you can get the
kids and like you need to finishthat chapter.
And then, uh, you're at a pointwhere you do got to prove stuff
, like they want me to provemyself, prove myself of what I'm
(16:03):
.
I'm not a drug addict, I'm notan alcoholic, I don't have a
criminal history, I don't have abad driving record.
I don't have.
I'm not a violent offender, I'mnot a sexual offender.
I'm not listed on any ListsLists for I don't have.
I don't have fictitious names.
I don't have fictitious names.
(16:25):
I don't have accusations oflying before this custody court
and then claiming contempt.
I've never been even ticketedwith, by the way.
I've never even received aticket for a violation of a
crime or a statute.
I've just been accused ofcontempt.
Contempt is a misdemeanor andthey've even gone from.
(16:46):
Oh yeah, you won't take a plea,agreement.
Well, we'll go ahead.
I'm going down this list ofnine contempts and I've got five
of them dismissed and there'sonly four left, and I called the
clerk and I said I'm coming upon you and they didn't like that
.
So they dismissed that and theyrefiled it as felony charges
(17:07):
for the last four.
The remaining four, they haverenamed what they're going to
call my charges, my counts,three different times.
They've renamed them, renamedthem Like start.
I'm going to just no, wait aminute, wait a minute.
We're just going to change it.
Now they have it saying stalkingand all kinds of shit.
Yeah, dude, all kinds of shitthey have in one of their papers
(17:30):
.
They have it claimed that I amsuicidal or homicidal or both.
One of the prosecutors wrotethat in their fucking paper and
I felt it necessary to file mypapers, filing with a different
county and a disclosure that Iwould never tell myself.
(17:54):
And they're trying to put wordsin my mouth.
And where did that come fromthat I'm suicidal.
I'm not homicidal or suicidal.
I don't have any trying to putwords in my mouth.
And then where did that comefrom that I'm uh, uh, suicidal.
I'm not homicidal or suicidal.
I don't have any.
Uh, I've never hurt anybody.
Nobody's ever been hurt on mywatch.
No, sir, no, thank you, I don'ttolerate bad behavior.
Uh, well, and that goes all theway up to the judge.
(18:15):
I guess is where we're at.
Yeah, that's why I'm you uhpretty much.
Uh, damn it, I just lost this,sorry you're like my grandma
would say you should be ashamedof yourself.
That's what I told him, bro.
That's what I told him.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Um, sorry, that changes your bail uh, so I I
know we're going to get intoexcessive fines, insane
stipulations and stuff like that.
I want to describe yourinteractions with the judge in
(18:53):
terms of how did you?
You know, you seem like a veryintelligent man and a very
loving father and you know howto present yourself and how to
speak to people.
What was your approach in goingto talk to the judge about all
the things that occurred?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Every single time I've attempted to talk to Judge
McMahon, he either hurts me orshuts me down, one of the two.
He's never listened to me talk,ever once.
No, no, years and years andyears, three years now, and he
won't let me have my peace.
He won't let me say my bit.
Never, never once has he let mesay my bit?
(19:36):
And these would all besituations where Hurt me means I
go to jail Yep, I should shutup.
Means I go to jail yep, Ishould shut up, I go to jail.
Uh.
Hurt me means I'm gonna raiseyour bond, just something I know
you ain't got.
Hurt me means I'm gonna add agps monitor even though you
didn't violate anything.
Yeah, oh yeah yeah, I'm gonnaadd, you need to have a gps
(19:58):
monitor.
That just is more money, moreshit I got to do.
Remember to charge it.
Don't forget to charge it,cause if you don't charge it,
you go to jail right now.
It's funny you forgot to chargethat shit.
Come on For real.
Yep, yep, I'm not an alcoholic.
I don't have an alcohol charge.
(20:25):
I don't have any chargeswhatsoever.
I'm accused of contempt andthey use that to just monopolize
and terrorize our lives.
Okay, we're in line every timethey hurt me, it hurts her and
like I'll make it, but it hurts,it hurts, hurt, dude, and I'm
not gonna be quiet because ithurts her.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Like if it was just me, maybe I wouldn't say nothing
, maybe I wouldn't even feel theneed, but it hurts her.
So here we are.
Here we are, um, speaking of mymom, left me with the pedophile
(21:17):
.
She called him and that meansmy mom left me with.
I need to get her out of therebecause she don't want to be
with Doug.
And then Doug takes her phoneand turns it off.
So I called for a welfare checkand the officer told me no.
And then, when the officerfound out it was rightfully my
day with Kimber, he decided tostop communicating with me and
(21:41):
send me an email that says we donot enforce parenting plans and
then excommunicado.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No more talking.
He showed me some of thepaperwork and there's I mean,
I'm not a lawyer or anythinglike that, but I've read some
shit in here and I'm like thisshit made up, you know what I
mean?
That's pretty crazy, yep.
But, like I said, I'm not alawyer.
So yeah, uh, yeah, but youcan't make that shit up, dude.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You can't make it up.
Not at all.
And it's fucking.
They not like they know.
They're aware, they're aware.
They're aware.
They're hoping that I get introuble.
They're hoping I get entangledin something or die.
Probably their greatestaspiration would be that I just
die.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What is it exactly?
The vendetta is against you, sothat way you know.
Like we said, I'm a.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I told the first custody judge that he is out of
order.
He's a conflict of interest andhe's not looking out for the
best interest of my daughter.
And he in fact committedcriminal child endangerment by
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removing my daughter from aprotection order.
He removed her name from alegitimate protection order from
the justice of the peace thedistrict court took.
He had jurisdiction over it andhe just took her name off,
which is not not cool, dude.
Like homeboy tried to light heron fire yeah yeah he, she had a
(23:18):
legitimate order protection.
They left me hanging with anorder of protection that
protected me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, we're not going to go super detailed into it
but this situation kind of is anX and that X is significant
other or something along thoselines of you know someone,
another, uh, and jeremiah's umchild you know, in visitation
(23:46):
stuff, and that other person, uh, and this is, uh, you know
annotated stuff, core systems,that uh, this person you know
probably shouldn't be aroundanybody's kids, anybody's kids,
uh, from what I've gathered.
So all of these things thathe's talking about you know very
passionately about.
(24:06):
You know it's hard to try andput yourself in someone else's
shoes, to fathom what it mightbe like to have to deal with
someone else.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Not when it comes to your kids.
If you think, if your childtold you that they were abused
at the other parents, what doyou do?
You raise the red flag, youcall the cops, you call CFS.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I guess how did that become a bad idea?
And wait a minute, I'm the onewho called the cops and I'm the
one who called CFS and I'm theone who called the cops and I'm
the one who called cfs and I'mthe one who lost custody.
There's no, not a single reportof anyone being hurt on my
property or on my watch.
No reports of me ever beingabusive dude, except from her.
And uh, you saw the letter ofher retracting her statements
(24:53):
when she made her falsetestimony that put me in jail.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's, there's funny, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Once they make a mistake that they know could be,
they know could come back tohaunt them, they'll keep Like
ten times the magnification ofhow much they were protecting
that person before they go on tooverdrive.
Now they have to keep it theway it is.
(25:23):
They have to keep appearancesthe way they are.
They have to keep appearancesthe way they are.
They can't let the other personwin.
So they don't, they just don't.
It doesn't matter if you have alegitimate claim or not.
It doesn't matter if you have alegitimate paper.
It matters if you have anattorney or not.
That can help.
But even if you have anattorney, you can't make a judge
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recuse themselves.
And there's a case you can lookinto for Cascade County that I
just read about.
A judge wouldn't recuse herselfand a detective was involved in
helping prosecute an innocentman and I can't remember the
(26:06):
names.
But the lady that won the casetook over the presidency of the
company and a dude like JesusChrist and he sat nine months in
jail before someone got him out.
The judge put him in there anddidn't even have a release date.
I want to say but nine monthshe sat there and it was wrongful
accusations, wrongfulimprisonment and it was all a
(26:27):
cascade judge, a female cascadejudge 2021, maybe, but that
scares me because Judge McMahonhas been here an awful long time
.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
It's yeah, when there arephysicians that are meant for
like this many years, but it'sfive, six, seven times that it
becomes like this is just mineforever and I can do whatever I
want.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yep, whatever I want.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, but I mean, those things are in place for a
reason, I feel like.
And if they, if everyonedoesn't agree on them, then
let's re-vote on them and figureout a better way to do it,
because when the eruption.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You've been involved with the Furlong case, studying
that.
Uh no, please, the Furlong case.
He's the president.
The Matt Furlong guy is thepresident of the Montana Child
Protection Alliance and he wasbusted for a whole slew of
fucking pedophilia.
Pedophilia he got a whole tonof shit off of his computer,
(27:33):
yeah, and Judge McMahon tried toinstantly get the kids back
into Angie Furlong's custody hiswife's custody Holy shit, dude.
When I read that it was awritten order to follow the
(27:55):
current parenting plan.
Dude, it said follow thecurrent parenting plan.
He was trying to force somekids back into an abusive
household right away.
Upon finding out that, homeboysbusted.
It's a sting operation and thefeds are now involved.
Uh, so there's a big oldspotlight on this thing and I'm
like they're the first people Icalled when kimber starts to
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abuse.
That's just great, that's dandy, so like.
So I posted on facebook.
I said look how high up theladder the pedophile ring goes.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you seen the movie Spotlight?
So it actually it was a newsCharlie Till.
News journalism team andborrowed, and I want to say it
was in the 90s or 2000s, butthey basically busted open the
catholic church uh, being, youknow, tied in with all that
stuff in the east, the romancatholic church.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Don't get me started yeah but uh, but no, you got
that.
You got that under.
I was just teaching kimberabout the roman catholic church.
We were doing a study about howmany people have been executed
under the consignment of theRoman Catholic Church, and it's
an unknown number, an unknownongoing number.
There's lists and lists ofdifferent places that have
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compiled records of their peoplethat have been executed by
order of the Roman CatholicChurch.
When I found out, dude, it waslike a year ago I found out that
the Pope was in league withHitler.
They don't teach you that inschool.
I had to put that togethermyself.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You gotta follow the white rabbit yourself.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I had to put that together.
But like they called it, theydidn't even say Italy was part
of.
You know what I mean?
They didn't even say italy waswas part of.
You know what I mean?
They didn't even.
They didn't even disclose thatin school.
They didn't even they just gavethe letter to it I want to say,
italy wasn't even in a lot ofwhat we know is not worth but
yeah, anyways, when I figuredthat out, uh, I was like, but
(29:56):
wait, the whole, the whole worldlike holds the Pope as like the
highest authority when it comesto it.
We like forget what happened.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's what people do .
Thank you, Um so.
Contempts dismissed how manytimes?
A bunch of times, right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I got five of the nine dismissed and then they,
they uh, dismissed the four.
The remaining four, all right,and then they refiled the
remaining four with a differentname under the same number and
they tagged felony and they werecontempt and they changed their
(30:36):
names and they put a felonywhere it said misdemeanor crime
and I was like they amended it.
They amended it, it's bad andthey stacked the charges.
I don't know it was a.
That's crazy uh another kick inthe nuts because when they
dismissed it I was like right onsomebody's listening and then
(30:57):
they try to hit you with a crazybond, right, yeah?
right off the bat.
Right off the bat, right offthe bat.
When they refiled, they wanteda warrant.
They wanted me to go to jailand do fingerprints because of
the new charges.
Right, when you get charges,you got to go get booked, and it
ain't always a book and release.
I sat there for four days andgot out for $1,100.
(31:18):
Right, they revoked my bond.
I don't remember the first one.
They gave Kylie a no-contactorder because she didn't want me
to be able to be a dad.
It's awful.
Like I didn't do anything for ano-contact order.
(31:38):
Yeah, but there was a day thatthere was nobody to talk between
the two of us and I just saidwhere?
What did I say?
I said, does Doug really haveCOVID and where am I supposed to
bring Kimber?
(31:59):
Yeah, and I probably talkedsome shit.
Yeah, I said bring Kimber.
Yeah, and I probably talkedsome shit.
I probably talked some shitabout what.
I want to bring Kimber back tosomewhere where you got COVID.
You already did, right, butlike, I got to do this anyways,
or they're going to take Kimberagain, right?
Yeah, they revoked me on thatbecause I was questioning where
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to bring him, and they because Iwasn't going to bring them and
they because I wasn't gonnabring timber or something, I
don't know.
They came and arrested me and,uh, two thousand dollars to get
out on that one.
And now the bondsman's my goodbuddy and we know each other by
name.
Now I'm like, yeah, uh-huh,yeah, buddy.
When someone says, all right,good buddy, that don't mean that
yeah, you're a good buddy dude.
(32:40):
No, the more, the more they sayit, the more you should really
like Ray the Nightmare.
What was I saying earlier?
What was that?
I said earlier that people saya lot there you go, there you go
, there you go, and that shit.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So this is actually just like a little side story.
Kimber's eight right now, right, yep, and all this court shit
fees.
Everything is really a pain inthe balls when it comes to
burning a apartment.
Yeah, I'm drained, I'mcompletely drained.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't have fucking.
I got 38 bucks, dude, 38 bucksbut we got food and a house and
a thing we got the power on.
Yeah, yeah, and that's allwe're gonna look at.
We always only care about beingfed and smiling and smiling
yeah, we like to smile.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But your super genius daughter.
What did she do financially?
A smart move that she did foryou.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, the other day we were driving around in the truck
and we're all bumping tunes andshit, like we always are, and I
got my hat and shades on.
She's over there in the front,got her hat and shades on and
she's doing the mail, openingthe mail and telling me that I
need more money.
All right, she's like you needyou got.
Oh, here's another bill.
The power bill is 283 orsomething right.
(33:56):
And I'm like, yeah, I figuredit was about 100 bucks.
Uh, I got that, though I justgot to get my check.
And she's like all right, soshe's continuing open mail and
she starts asking me questions.
And she's on her phone now andshe keeps asking me questions.
She gets done and she shows mewhat she did and I'm like what
the?
I'm still driving?
(34:17):
And I get home and I read myemail and she got us approved
for a $500 credit card and likeshe goes that's my $500.
And I'm like you don'tunderstand, dude, they're not
just giving you $500.
And she's like look, $500.
(34:39):
I got you approved.
You guys recording, sure are.
Can I get some keys?
Like I'm off, but look five onhis bottom.
I got you approved five minutesrecording.
Yep, yeah, you sure are.
Can I get some keys?
No, you gotta wait a minuteright now.
Look at me, it's all nervous,he's just gotta wait now.
He should have been awake.
Um, so she's like well, that'smy 500 bucks anyway.
(35:02):
And I was like every time youspend that money you have to
take money away from the moneyshe thinks grows and and do her
trip.
Like there's a little spot, alittle heavy on her side in the
truck and when I got change I'llput dollars in there and fives
and stuff or like.
Sometimes, like when I get goodchecks, it'll be like a 20 spot
(35:22):
.
So sometimes there's money inthere and I'm like you know, you
know your truck money grow spot.
And she's like uh-huh.
I was like when you spend moneyon the, on the plastic, you
gotta send money back to payback the money that you spend
and you'll have to take it fromyour truck spot money.
And she was like uh-uh.
I was like, well, where thehell are you gonna get it?
(35:43):
And she points at me and runsoff laughing dude, that's
hilarious.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Like daddy's, not a bank, um do you want to give him
the can real quick?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
no, no, no, he can wait, we can finish sound good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Um, so I'm kidding these.
Uh, there's a lot that wentinto it, but it ended up, you
know.
Just we need to say the charges, and there's what the charges
are.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All just communication, violation of
communications.
They're claiming stalking, butthat's only because I leave work
from my residence to go to workat 8 o'clock every day up until
Monday through Friday.
That's where you can find meleaving my house at 8 o'clock
every day.
If it's monday through friday,that's where you can find me
leaving my house at eighto'clock.
Yeah, guarantee you, whether I'msick, it's rainy or snowy or
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shitty, I go to work because itmight not be sick and rainy and
snowy and shitty at the job site20 miles away or 30 miles away
or three hours away, right?
Uh, so I'm driving by tom pumpand he's telling him one day and
the idiot in front of me veersoff and like all erratic
movement, and I drive by andlook and it's my ex and her
pedophile boyfriend, right, andthey called the cops and said I
(36:50):
was following them, you know,and I was like they don't live
in East Helena, I live in EastHelena.
I was leaving my town to go towork.
Dude, they were in my town.
I didn't even know they werethere.
I was telling the cop.
I was like, dude, I didn't evenknow they were there until
they're driving like morons,like they alerted me to their
(37:10):
presence, so they turned outinto stomping.
Yeah, one of the charges thatthey have currently pending on
me have already got dismissed inmunicipal court that they won't
recognize that.
It's the same thing, even thoughthe dates coincide perfectly.
They won't recognize it.
It's been dismissed.
I've already been sentenced andcharged for what they hold
(37:37):
against me right now.
I forgot to tell you about that.
I've already been sentenced forwhat I stand trial for.
That doesn't make sense, doesit?
But it happened.
I was sentenced to six monthsand a $500 fine, all suspended
on the contingency that I couldwalk or it wouldn't afford, and
(37:59):
I didn't have a choice.
In that I didn't get to defendmyself.
In that there was no trial.
In that there was no dueprocess.
It was just a conclusion madeby the court and an order that
was signed as a sentence and iteven said on it sentence,
sentence.
I was already sentenced.
(38:20):
So what they have on me incourt right now I've already
been sentenced for.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And then yeah, there you go, so there's all that, and
do you believe that?
Uh, it goes like from top tobottom, like uh, for instance,
we were going through this stuffand you got online to check
your files for the courtdocuments.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, I had a share file that you just witnessed
disappear before our very eyesand it had videos that I already
had downloaded.
Thankfully, they all justdisappeared right there.
You saw it it disappears.
You try to click the file andit's poof be gone.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, that was pretty crazy and that's something you
can usually just get in grabyeah and grab whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I can look at it, share it, do whatever I want.
It's all uh.
It's all uh.
Record of the court and myfiles.
You know, my sheriff hold themcrazy.
Um, so the lady who built thatI I can't contact anymore, is it
?
I tried to email her one dayand that connection has been
terminated.
That's crazy.
It's like blackout shit, dudefor sure, some places I go they
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won't even deal with me.
Dude, like like, like I, I not,it's like I'm an alien or
something, you're just not acitizen.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And it's crazy when.
Crazy, when all these differentdepartments and all these
different things are supposed tobe out for public interest and
helping, and especially the kids.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, they're sworn.
Their sworn duty is to serveand protect us, and goddammit,
they're not.
We need to do something aboutit right now, dude.
We need to do something aboutit because they're getting
stronger and stronger the morewe just let them.
The stronger they get, theweaker we get.
It's all mental, dude.
It's all mental.
And a normal person that doesn'thave a support group, that
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doesn't have money, has a normaljob, barely gets by but getting
by, undergoes this shit fromthe court.
And they target them.
They decide they're the parentthey're gonna target.
They're gonna target one of thetwo, sometimes it's both.
And then they take the kidslike they've had their eye on
kimber the whole time.
They can take kimber from kylieeasily because they know
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kimber's abused with kylie.
They can fucking do it.
All they got to do is get meout of the.
All they got to do is get meout of the way.
All they got to do is get meshut up, silenced, in jail,
whatever.
They can take our daughter.
That's what the goal is fromthe beginning.
That was the goal number one,because she's a shining,
bright-ass light of goodness.
Dude, they don't like that.
They want to snuff that shitout.
(40:57):
But if we don't all stand up anddo something, dude?
They already are lawless.
Why are we going to known andlisten to and respect
lawlessness in our court?
You don't listen to them, youdon't do what they say.
You don't go to jail, dude, no,Get out of jail free right now.
All of us stand up.
All those guys in jail half ofthose guys could show me papers
(41:23):
that were legitimate.
Let me go.
They should be able to presentthose to the jailer, just like I
got papered.
And you say to the jailer thatthis is not grounds for my
incarceration and you have nochoice but to release me.
They have no choice but torelease you unless they have
other papers that are that are,uh right, conflicting with that,
(41:44):
yes, or or overpowering.
But if you, if the only papersthat are holding you you can
pre-write that in there um areillegitimate, they have no
choice but to release you, butthey won't yeah, exactly,
theoretically and with actuallike three times when I was
there.
I requested to make a phone callto diamond one.
(42:04):
They wouldn't let me do that.
I asked for a link to the fbiand they wouldn't let me do that
.
Um, they wouldn't let me on themain line downstairs for your
free call or free or whateverwhen you first go tail, because
I had already requested to callthe FBI and 911.
They didn't know if 911 wouldwork, but they didn't want to
let me bum down.
I wanted to find out.
(42:26):
So bad.
911 don't work from the jailcell, but I bet you it would
work from holding.
I bet you they should work fromthe jail cell because you're
still a citizen of Roe, it'strue, and an emergency is an
emergency.
And just because they're thecops, don't make them there to
protect you.
Jailers aren't cops, they're um, they still swear.
(42:49):
You know All these people swearthese oaths and, uh, they're
holding their fingers behindtheir back, crossed, and smiling
and laughing at you whilethey're doing it.
And you can see them doing itbecause their hand is behind
their back and they're holdingtheir finger, dude, like, get
the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
What would you say you got to?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
say you got to say to defend yourself and protect
yourself.
You have to say I accept youroath that you made to defend and
protect me.
And then you recite your rightsand constitutional freedoms and
then, um, anything after that,dude like, is there gonna just
(43:28):
deny you?
Or?
Or uh, lock you up.
Dude, I don't know, I don'tknow anymore man, they're gonna
just lock you up.
Dude, I don't know, I don'tknow anymore, man, they get,
they're gonna just lock you upat the fight.
That's why I said don't let itwalk you up yeah if it's wallace
, then why would you have tolisten to that?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
you don't, but just like I guess, if you don't
understand the system, you knowand and there's a lot of
intimidation in that governmentas well- that's where they won't
get me, though, because thatdon't work for me.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
If you threaten me, I'm going to do the opposite of
what you're aiming for.
You shouldn't threaten me Allright.
Eight months taken away, yeah so, uh, the fourth time Kimber
told me she was abused.
She was, uh, on a camping tripand they put a rock in her and
(44:29):
then they saw blood.
The Doug Doug, the pedophile'schildren had her at the river
while Doug and the mom weresleeping.
They put her.
She said that they held me downin the deep water after they
saw blood and they did thatthree times but I died.
I was teaching her how todefend herself a little bit, but
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more than that, I was teachingher how to swim.
The week prior to that she waswith me most of the time and I
almost taught her how to swim,but the court separated us.
What she told me is she swamout.
I said how did you get awayfrom them?
And she said she swam out, hurtthem both and ran back to her
(45:15):
mom and her mom screamed at theboys and then told her not to
tell me or she'll never get togo back to her mom's camp.
That's exactly what my daughtersaid.
I filed with the court emergencycustody and intervention papers
that made a report to CFS,called the sheriffs, called the
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police.
I did what I was supposed to dodude and Bunk and I said I am
not this at the fourth time.
You guys have failed to protecther three times prior to this
and this is the fourth time.
And I'm not giving her back toher mom.
It was time to put my foot down, dude.
And when they say, yeah, you'reright usually, but no, still,
(46:00):
dude, still they want to be, uh,talking about how I made.
I would never say some shit likethat to my little girl, the.
The idea itself is preposterousand I'll, for fucking, even
think about you, but to put iton paper that I might be lying
to keep kimber.
I don't want to keep kenra frommy mom.
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I don't ever want to keep herfrom any of her family.
I want to keep her safe.
You stupid me.
That's my job, dude, right?
That's what a dead dog is.
I'll go to jail over and overand over again.
As long as I'm on thatguideline and I'm following that
code, and they can stuck it foryou, I'm going to read this
letter.
This was after.
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I mean, he made a report that Iwas abusive and I abused her.
I went to jail and then I gotout of jail and my place is all
raided, my garage all tornthrough and the doors wide open.
The Christmas tree tipped over,the dog shits everywhere and
the dog's sitting there in apile of a torn up couch smiling
(47:04):
at me and like, uh, blb.
I get out of jail and the nextnight I pull in and she's in the
driveway dude, there's aprotection.
And she's in the driveway.
Dude, there's a protectionorder.
And she's in my driveway.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I'm going to read this letter real quick To help
me make concern.
On the day of 12-18-2014, I,kylie Clark, was not physically
harmed by Jeremiah Lowry.
I did not feel there was a needto call the police.
While talking to Officer Bragg,he never informed me that I was
being recorded.
I feel this is a violation ofmy rights, Thank you.
So yeah, there's been a lot ofturbulence and craziness going
(47:44):
on for a lot of years and uh,but uh, why, why, why is it
always like the finger trying toget pointed back?
Like you know, like theincident?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
happened Because I'm a dick.
I'm a dick and I can't help it.
When my kid is being abused andput at risk, that amplifies,
I'm a dick, yeah.
And when people are willinglyand knowingly letting that shit
(48:18):
happen, that amplifies and thatcontinues to trickle into an
exponential.
So you take, I don't know, I'mtrying to work on it, dude, but
when you need to be a dick, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Well, so when you take away the being a dick part,
which people?
It's not the end of the world,right, but you got your own
business.
Yeah, you know, you do verywell for yourself.
You take care of your daughter,and then some of you guys are
very close.
It's almost like they want tomake you into something else
(48:52):
that you're not.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
They want me to be someone that I'm not, because
you're everything I swear andthey can't make you in this like
something else that you're.
They're not going to be someonethat I'm not because you're
everything I swear and theycan't make me not swear.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
They keep trying with uh tough if, if it has nothing
to do with hurting your kids andnot right?
Are you genuine?
Generally just like a pretty,you know, laid back?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't just volunteer being a dick.
Yeah, you have to draw out mebeing a dick.
You have to poke at that for awhile either just volunteer
being a dick.
Yeah, you have to draw out mebeing a dick.
You have to poke at that for awhile.
Even I'm not even gonna let youhave that for the first three
times yet, but on the fourthtime you get I'm a dick.
It's the fourth time here andit's the fourth time that I that
I warned you, I warned you, Iwarned you, and then I warned
(49:33):
you, I warned you, I warned you,and then I warned you again.
And now warnings are done.
I figure that's fair, right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
For me to go that far should be a testament to the
court of my patience.
I feel, yeah, no, every timeI've ever been pushed to like an
extreme degree or something.
I mean, I don't know, At theend of the day, I can always
work on myself, no matter what Iwork on myself.
Yep.
So this cool last littlestretch we're going to do here.
I wrote down mushrooms, mentalhealth and systemic legal issues
(50:12):
.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
So mental health is a big part of this.
If I didn't have microdosesdude of the mushrooms I would be
lost, I'd be done.
I don't even know where I wouldbe.
I wouldn't have a home, that'sfor sure.
I wouldn't still have my job.
I wouldn't be able to fightthis the only way I can keep it
together mentally after life,especially after this.
(50:34):
Last time my anxiety wasalready I'm haywire dude.
And then they arrest me at theclerk's window while I'm trying
to file paperwork that says thatthey are malicious intent.
Their malicious intent needs tobe stopped and I need sanctions
provided for Kimber and I toprotect us against these.
(50:57):
They're arresting me while I'mfiling this dude and, like that,
fucked me up a little bit thistime.
Bro, I don't know I'll get overit.
I'm a little twitchy now butyeah, rightfully so, man.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
You went through a lot and you know it's still in
the middle over it.
I'm a little twitchy now, butyeah, rightfully so, man.
You went through a lot, youknow, still in the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I still haven't even fully Like I woke up this
morning and I still haven't evenfully dove into what really
just happened, dude, but theylocked me up for nothing and on
a no bond until I saw the judge.
And then the judge was justcompletely biased and completely
(51:40):
cruel and it was designed todestroy me and lose my home.
If our mutual friend didn'tbail me out then I would have
lost my home, my job, at leasttwo jobs that I have lined up.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah.
No, he's a good dude and he'shelped me a lot too as well.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
The mental targeting that they do, dude.
They're well-practiced at it,they know what they're doing and
they won't just crush a normalperson without any defense,
without any mental defense orblockers.
Walk right through them, dude,plow them, destroy them, turn
them into nothing, dude, andmost likely incarcerated nothing
Incarcerated, wondering whatthe fuck just happened.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Poor fucking people dude.
And then kids that are abusedconstantly it's crazy, man, it's
a big problem right now in thiscountry and, uh, I'm not an
expert in it by any means oranything, but uh, I'm an empath
and I feel for people and I feelfor women and children, uh,
(52:52):
especially, you know, stuff hitscloser to home, sometimes a lot
too, and so I mean I hate thatyou're going through what you're
going through but I was broughtinto it for a reason, like I
think that I need to do what I'mdoing and that's what I'm
supposed to be doing, and I justhate that Kimber has to live it
(53:15):
with me, I guess Because itbecame about me and it's not
supposed to be and it hurtsKimber.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
It's a custody parenting plan.
It's supposed to protect herand all they do is hurt her and
one day, dude, they will fuckingpay, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
One way or another.
I'm going to do some questionsand then we'll finish with that
Cool.
What role do you think societalstereotypes about men and women
play in legal outcomes?
Because you were saying earlier, you think it's like 70 30 70,
(53:57):
30.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, the women get um.
It's uh like lying is condonedand rewarded um.
They just got to do their partyou know.
You know how life works corrupt,corrupt ass.
I don't know why it is the wayit is, dude.
Well, my ex herself is a goodliar.
I lived with her for fucking 10years and I want to say maybe
(54:24):
the first two were good and thenevery year after got worse and
worse.
It worked all the way up toabsolutely horrible and like I
was really glad and relievedwhen she was gone, when I had
the kids and everything was fine.
It was a good feeling, bro.
It was nice.
We went through chaos andnightmares too.
(54:46):
It's cool, it's all quieter.
I even remember my olderdaughter coming out on them and
she goes.
It's so nice here now and it'sall like birds.
All you can hear is the birdschirping and like everybody's
just chilling.
They're not even tv on ornothing.
There ain't no music playing.
It's just all chill andpeaceful and nice, like, yeah,
(55:06):
besides johnny out there makinga ruckus, it's all peaceful, as
always here, dude, it is, andthat's how we like that here do.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
It is and that's how we like that.
Uh, that's, that's like, uh,definitely a must, absolutely,
um any resources ororganizations that you found
helpful with this process you'regoing through right now um,
yeah, we never got into it.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
But, child, I sent all of the information my bills,
kylie's bills.
They came in hot, wanting 500bucks a month or something.
I sent her my bills that I hadto pay they were still coming to
me my bank account and theletter of exactly what happened.
And the person that opened myletter and read my letter was a
(55:52):
good person and wrote me aletter that said we will not be
collecting money from you forher.
This case is closed.
Have a nice day.
And I was like I like this guy.
I got that plastered out in mygarage on the wall.
That's one of my favorite bits,along with that letter from her
that that proves that she justdoes and says whatever.
(56:15):
If she's pissed, she'll saywhatever.
If she's not pissed and needssomething and needs something,
it has to involve she needssomething.
But then, oh, here I'll writethis letter and tell them I was
lying, fucking tongue.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Damn.
All right.
I think this is going to be areally good one to go out on If
somebody is listening right nowand they're in a dark place,
like you have been and you were,and you're kind of still going
through it how or what are thewords or what would you want
(56:51):
them to hear?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I remember this.
I needed to say this.
You know, hold the line, that'ssomething.
Yeah, hold the line, hold theline, hold the line.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah, because you ain't alone, dude it uh, it's
hard to be able to talk aboutthis type of thing, but I'm
pretty sure you understand theimportance and significance of
(57:19):
doing it and you know, like yousaid, I wouldn't wish some
situations upon my worst enemy,and you know so.
If anybody's going through itout there, you know, talk to
somebody.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, I wouldn't wish the court.
Don't ever call CPS.
Don't ever call the sheriffs.
Don't go to the court for helpif you need custody help.
Holy shit, what a doomingexperience.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, that's going to be rewritten.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
That needs to change, but that will only change as if
the citizens unite and stopbeing little bitches dude and I
don't foresee that anytime soonunless as if the citizens unite
and stop being little bitchesdude and I don't foresee that
many times soon, unless somebodymore important than me gets
yanked into this dude.
You know what I mean.
Like fuck.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
All it takes is hearing somebody do it first and
to fire someone up.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Someone did and I wanted to make sure I said her
name it is, it is, it is, it isUh.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
You learned from this person.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
She went to the courthouse to shoot the judge.
That was my custody judge.
She took six bullets for it andshe prompted an investigation
into our local courthouse andher name is Danielle Moore.
And she's my fucking hero, dude.
That is a hero, yep, like.
(58:51):
I don't condone going to shootthe judge at all, but I can
sympathize and understand whereshe was, because he made some
pretty strange feelings andemotions happen in me.
Yeah, when they separated us foreight months.
It came to Christmas Day, right, yeah, and the judge ordered to
(59:14):
bring Kimber for at least ahalf hour, right, and I was
talking to kimber in the morningand kindle was sitting in there
and I was talking to kimber onthe phone and I was like we're
ready for you, um, we're waitingfor you to get here.
Kindle's ready to open herpresents too.
She's waiting for you.
And Doug took the phone fromKimber and he said well, you're
(59:37):
going to be waiting a long time,motherfucker.
And then he hung up.
They didn't let us talk againand they never did show up with
Kimber, and that's somethingthat Kimber holds on to, that
she uses as fire to have a greatheart against those two thieves
.
Yeah, she makes them pay, bro.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Well, she seems like a little fireball.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yep, she's a little fireball.
Yep, she's got it handled.
If I didn't cover it or crossthe T's, she's a dot in the I
dude.
She's got me covered, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well, I think you're doing a good job, man.
Thank you Right on, man.
Thank you so much for your time.
I don't know where to start.
I feel you.
We had a day today.
And thank you everybody forwatching.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
And yeah, put some awareness out there and see you
later, Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Boom Nice, thanks, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Nailed it, bro.
I don't know if I'll ever haveto do that again no, never again
but we got it just what weneeded.
You know, like pearls.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
It don't get more real than that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
No, it doesn't get more real than that.
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