Hanging with Humans Podcast | Episode 29 | Alejandro Soto - Hanging with Humans

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
okay, so just just go on.
Yeah, okay, I'm kind of want togo by here.
We have here.
So, yeah, no, whatever,whatever way, because, like, all
this is is not the final thing.
I'm just understanding you'retelling me and yeah, okay, cool,
well, I'm from Chiapas, mexico,or Chiapas, mexico.

(00:43):
I was raised Mexico or Chiapas,mexico I was raised.
Well, the reason why I say I'mfrom Chiapas is because most of
my family are from Chiapas andthey're born and raised there.
So I kind of follow mybloodline, whereas what it's
calling you know, like, once youknow a little bit of wisdom,
your bloodline calls you backyou know what I mean To nature,

(01:05):
to history.
So most of my family are fromChiapas.
So you know, I consider both mybloodline from Chiapas as well.
But I was born and raised inMazatlan, sinaloa.
And man, I have one sister,three brothers, um, we all
migrated to the us when I wasabout 11 years old, about to

(01:29):
turn 12 maybe, can't recallexactly, but it was around that
age.
Um, how many brothers andsisters?
Again, I'm sorry, I have onesister, one sister she is, and
um, and yeah, um, leaving just alittle brief about living in
nasa, transinaloa.
Uh, then, um, at 11 years old,I was already working there oh,

(01:54):
I never really went to school inmexico, nasa, transinaloa, and
then I didn't know how to reador write.
Um, I dedicated myself on mydad as a entrepreneur, seller,
whatever you call it.
We were just selling cinnamon,you know, just working selling
products, basically out there,just to survive and, you know,
get fed and food and all basedon our basics, you know.

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But we were five brothers so,yeah, we can only afford so much
.
Had our grandma and one of ouruncles here in Colorado and um,
and they happened to support us,help us get to the, to the US,
and that's how we, uh, got tothe US now, my grandma and my

(02:37):
uncle he's an actual pastorright now yeah, along with my
grandma, there are good citizens.
They supported everything everytime and, and they're good
citizens.
You want their names up there,or me?
I mean, yeah, my grandma isElma, elma, elma.
My uncle is Julio.
They're good people, man, Iwant to say one of my main role

(03:02):
models was him, no one else.
My grandma as well.
Like another mother, she alwayshad love for us.
She always gave, gave useverything if requested, and um,
and yeah, that's how we endedup here to colorado.
Now, coming here to colorado waskind of also a challenge for me

(03:23):
, specifically based on the factthat you know of the way I was
living in Mexico.
I mean, I was, I never went toschool, I was kind of helping,
supporting my family, you know,move on.
So when I got here to the US,the first thing my dad did was

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to put us in school, along myother brothers.
Yep, and you know, kind of likejust go by the law and what it
was properly to be done, youknow, at at that point or then,
and um and um, yeah, for me itwas a challenge because I didn't
know how to read, I didn't knowhow to ride, I did not really

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socialize with people.
But I wasn't a bad kid, Iwasn't mean to people, I was
just kind of different and likepeople were different or they
treated me different because ofhow I was kind of, I want to say
, a little ignorant in some ways.
Well, you couldn't communicate,but I mean I could communicate,
like, like regular person.

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It was just the fact that youknow, um, I was the teachers and
everybody else would treat medifferent.
So they're all like, what thehell like?
You know, like, is he a specialed kid or whatnot?
Because I remember that I hadto go through an evaluation here
in elika, in elika elementary.
Yeah, and in elika elementarythey have this, and in Elika
Elementary they have this schoolthere where it's divided, they

(04:47):
have elementary school but thenthey have kindergarten, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So they sent me to getkindergarten for two weeks in
order for me to catch up onanything else.
So me as a grown-up kid, youknow, so you're going.
You know, yeah, I was behind.
Yeah, I was behind.
I was going to kindergarten.
So all the kids were like whatthe hell?

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So I was always behind, liketwo, three years.
So, you know, kids were like,you know, look at me weird.
You know I didn't like the waythey were looking at me, so that
would cause issues.
We let you feel that you caughtup.
I caught up when I was 16, and Icaught up when I was 16 and I
caught up when I was framed inprison, when I got, you know,
when I went to prison, that'swhen I decided to start reading

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and writing and learning allkinds of stuff.
And, yes, and then, and then, alittle bit prior to that, I had
already started.
I actually got my GED in there,no, before I even went in there
.
So.
So I was already trying, youknow, overcoming all those
things.
But when I really got in prisonI did not only got to the level

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, but you know I study a bunchof other things, yeah, my by
myself, on my own, that you know.
I came to a higher thing.
I want to go back when I was 16,I was framed with attempted
murder.
I was sent to county jailbecause I was a child and adult.

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When they find out it wasn't methat I didn't do it, but I was
there.
So they wanted to fuck me.
Somehow they take me back tojuvenile.
They're like, ah fuck, you knowhe didn't do it, let's go back
to juvenile.
Yeah.
So I go to juvenile, yeah.

(06:30):
So when I go to juvenile'relike, ah fuck, you know he
didn't do it, let's go back tojuvenile.
Yeah, so I go to juvenile, yeah.
So when I go to juvenile, theytry to like, oh, you were there,
you know you get, you getcharged for something because
you were there.
Okay, cool.
So I go to juvenile, yeah.
And when I go to juvenile,that's when I really get all my
stuff and my reading and allthat, that I even came on the
news then right as the mostimproved student of the whole
colorado region, including theus citizen people.
Wow, really, that's amazing.

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You feel me and and but I spent, man, I didn't sleep before,
bro, yeah, but I spent likethree days without sleeping, bro
.
Like our books, I'm mad.
Social studies, on everything,bro.
They, bro, the juvenile, thejuvenile supported me so much on
my study that they hired one ofthe teachers there more hours

(07:12):
to stay with me extra hours allthe way late and stay there
teaching me more things.
And, you know, get caught upbecause I got disappointed,
because I passed all my GEDexams except math.
So I got disappointed, bro.
I was like man, fuck this,screw this, I don't want to keep

(07:34):
going, I'm done with this.
This is where I get whatever,whatever.
And they were like you knowwhat?
No, cheer me up.
They were like keep going,you're very intelligent, you're
very smart, we believe in you.
With the woo, we're gonna paythe teacher extra hours so he
can stay with you and we'regonna guarantee you pass the
next test.
Didn't matter, and I passed it,bro, and I and I was supposed

(07:55):
to pass with 410 and I ended up.
No, I was supposed to, I could.
I was supposed to pass it with390, and I ended up passing it
with 480 because of those extrahours I was studying, you know
what I mean.
And that's when I finally gotmy GED, bro, and I started

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overcoming that.
That's legit, bro.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Like you were legit, likebig-ass turnaround, for reals,
like a big, like that great goodman.
You like you said man, you're.
Your experience before, like thepublic school system was like
none right, like pretty muchuntil you.

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And then you're just gettingthrown in with like kids don't
even speak the same language,you can't.
Even the teachers, teachers.
Like how many Spanish-speakingteachers did you have?
I never was taught in Spanishat all, my own, my English, I
taught it myself.
Like I mean, it's kind offucked up.
You can kind of see itsometimes, you can kind of hear

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it.
You know, I myself sometimes.
But that's because I, you knowI taught myself Spanish and
English.
You know you could say properlya little.
I taught myself Spanish andEnglish.
You know you could say properlylittle.
But other stuff as educationalpurpose, like I did have the
teachers, but I never really hadthe teacher to teach me English
.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
I had to, bro.

(09:18):
There's things that I know andwords that I know definition
because I read dictionaries, youknow.
If not, I would have neverreally known those words.
Yep See, oh crazy, butdictionaries were my best
friends when I was 16 and I gotcharged for something I didn't
do.
Then what I did was I picked upa Bible in Spanish and a Bible

(09:39):
in English and I startedlearning.
That was my first, you know myfirst.
They put them side by side,yeah, and I just learning.
That was my first, you know myfirst.
They put them side by side.
Yeah, like, just, you know read, like you know, like one
sentence, and then I try to likeokay, so these words should be
these words and these wordsshould be these words.
And you know, I just I just tryto.
Maybe it was dumb, yeah, but ithappened.
I learned that way.
That's legit, though, bro.

(10:01):
Like that's, that's crazy.
Like you, what other tools didyou have?
You know Exactly.
What other tools did I have?
What other tools Exactly?
So?
So I determined myself to dothat, but I like the way people
like not not the people my age,but the older people that kind
of writ something in me.

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They always had faith in mesince I was young.
They were like man, there'ssomething about you, there's
something about you, and therewas always like that one person.
And when I got charged forattempted murder when I was 16,
I went to county and I remembera week after I was there I had a
visit from a chaplain that Inever knew.

(10:43):
But the chaplain came in with agrievance note, which it is
that I requested the chaplainand it was my name, my signature
with his name, and the dudecame to me and said are you okay
?
Everything is going to be fine.
And I'm like like, no, it's notokay, I'm here, like, help me.
He's like, bro, I'm only thechaplain, I just came to give

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you a godly message.
And I'm like I didn't call you.
He's like, yeah, you did.
And he showed me the thing andI was like I swear, I don't even
know how to ride.
How was that?
Even me, but it was my name,brother.

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And then trip this out, trip onthis before, sorry, sorry, hey,
before.
Yeah, I want you to continue.
Yeah, yeah, but I've had peoplethroughout my life, right,
especially in the last 15 yearsor so from like random places,
dude, but like I'm in a very lowpoint in my life, right, and
I'm like thinking about endingit like that's how bad I'm at
right, like at that rock on amighty bell, a person that I
never met in my life.
Sometimes they've called me byname and I've never seen this

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person in my life before.
And then they realize I catchthem and they're like bro, I
swear to god, I wanted to commitsuicide in jail, bro, because I
was playing the gangster note,bro, because I was like man, my
homies, my friends, my familyreturned their back on me.
The dude that really did it.
I said to my dad I was like hey, go tell these dudes, come
handle his business, send me alawyer, because you know I

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didn't do it, you know I'm good.
So the dude threatened my dadand said man, I'll kill you and
your son if you guys ever openyour mouth.
So the dude was supposed to bea friend of the God for me, the
mouth.
So the dude was supposed to bea friend of the god for me.
The dude that really did it,threatened me.
So I'm in a bad.
I'm like man, I'm ready to die,I'm ready to commit suicide.

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Man, I'm like what the hell,man, I'm like only 16 and they
want to shoot me as an adult.
I'm in county, bro, like, I'mlike.
They won't even let me see myfamily.
They my family.
They have to see me through ascreen.
They can't really touch me ornothing.
Bro, where, where is this at?
Here, in county El Paso County,in Colorado Springs, el Paso
County, bro, so you feel me, I'mlike there and these dudes trip
on this before going,continuing on that note so you
can trip on that note more.

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When I was in Mexico, before wecame here, before we even
decided to come here, I rememberthere was a group of American
people that came from the US,bro.
Remember, there was a group ofamerican people that came from
the us, bro, and went over thereto give out food, clothing and
like a bunch of like uh, toysfor kids and soccer uh balls and
everything.
Yeah, and I remember theyruffle a soccer ball and the

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main pastor or evangelist forthat event mainly, yeah, she was
raffling that, that soccer balland I won that soccer ball.
I took it, like I win itbecause you know, he I keep the
pastor gave me the number.
He's like here.
You also get a number two andI'm like you sure I was little,

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I was probably like 10 and he'slike sure, you grab this one
because you could probably winit.
So I was like, all right, giveit to me.
So I ended up winning.
So when I get charged forattempted murder and that guy
goes there, he's like I rememberyou and I was like what do you
mean?
You remember, I remember youwhen you were a kid You're from
Mazatlan and I'm like what?

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He's like, yeah, I remember you, man, I always go to Sinaloa, I
always go to Mexico and youknow give out things to people
and you know take things forpeople and go do good deeds.
And I was like, man, so you'rethat guy that gave me the ball
because you know the raffle.
He's so like, yeah, I was there, did you remember?
I remember, man, I stillremember to that day there was

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only one soccer ball that wasbeing raffled and the whole
Sinaloa wanted it.
Really, the whole soccer ball,just one soccer ball.
The whole people wanted it.
Yeah, yeah, and I took it.
I won it.
So there was something I won'tforget, is that?
That's true?
So it happened to be that samechaplain with that man.

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I'm telling you, rory, so manythings.
So I had god, always had likesomeone.
God always placed someone and Idon't by me saying god, I don't
mean, I don't mean just the godas usual, or as people know, I
mean something higher, somethingsupreme, because there has to

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be something higher thananything you could really see
and feel in a church.
I'm telling you, bro, like inmy life I have felt God
realistically more than sittingin a church or listening to a
message or you know, bro, youdon't understand, bro, me

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getting lost in the desert andgoing through all these things
is like I had to go through thatto know that there is a real
supreme being out there lookingout for us.
Fast, bro, they were not lonely, they were there through
spiritual battles, throughspiritual, you know, encounters
and all that stuff, bro, becausethat's really what it is

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spiritual encounters.
So, anyways, yeah, going back,yeah.
So I ended up.
I ended up getting charged withattempted murder.
They just chose me, they justpicked me.
No, it wasn't just like that,but it was 50-50.
Well, like I said, I came here,I was struggling with my
attitude, I was struggling withmy feelings, I was struggling

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with people, how people look atme.
I was struggling with, you know, wanting to have money because
I was used to money since I waslittle, you know, even if it was
like $10 or something, I wasused to having money and making
my own money.
I was used to having money andmaking my own money.
So I came to 16, you know,getting in trouble and all that,
getting to that point where Iwas already in the system for

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not going to school versusgetting suspended from school
for trying to fight someone inschool.
I was already in the system.
So one day I hang out with thisdude.
He was a, he was, he is or hewas, I don't know and I don't
really care but he used to be agang member, he was a South

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Sider, he was my friend.
I used to hang out from with alot of different people,
different gangs, from, like youknow, aryan Brothers, to like
Black Mafia, to like CribsBloods, whatever you know.
I hung out with everybodybecause I was just cool like
that.
So I started hanging out withone, surano specifically.
I started hanging out with oneof my ex-best friend was also a

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Surano as well, and because Iwas hanging out with them, I get
caught up with other you knowtheir enemies.
Now they don't like me, or theysaw me hanging out with them.
Now they want to fight me too.
You feel me.
So I get caught up with that.
Um, a little bit of backgroundof my family.
I have my uncles, I got cousins.
They're from california, theyare born and raised in

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california, so they're big into,you know, gang banging and
doing all these things here inthe us.
You don't see that in, yeah,you don't see that in sinaloa,
and I, you know, tell you that alittle bit on as I go.
But when I get here, you know,I kind of want to fit in in that
because we don't really seethat in Sinaloa.
In Sinaloa we see it, but it'snot big because of the cartels.

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So the cartels got differentinstructions.
They control differently.
You know they're more like yeah, they're more like military
slash political movement.
You know, because they want tokeep the territory not hot.
You know they want to operatewithout no one knowing much
harder.

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Yeah, exactly.
So I come here, I want to fit inwith these gang dudes and all
these things and and I starthanging out with this one of my
friends.
They used to call him ShadowShadow.
I remember one day Well beforethat, I had another friend call.
They called him Shorty Shorty.
Well, I'm hanging out withShorty one day.

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We go to the mall, yep, and weran into his enemies that I
didn't know that were hisenemies, but there turned out to
be Sudanese too, okay, andthose Sudanese turned out to be
my uncles and my cousins gang.
Did you know that at that time?
I didn't know that at that time.
Oh, what?
I didn't even know.

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You're a sire, I heard.
Yeah, well, this is whathappened.
I go to the mall with my friendShorty, yeah, and we run into
two guys that were with theirwives and their kids, but
they're gangsters or they'regang members.
So they want to fight, nomatter what, because they're
crazy like that.
But we, as Mexicans that comefrom Mexico, that are raised in

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Mexico, we are not reckless likethat, especially in front of
the family.
We respect the family becausewe got family values.
So, my, so my, uh, my friendChody tried to dispute that with
them, saying, hey, we're notgoing to fight because you're
with your families, you're withyour kids and we don't do that.

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So when you see me with my kids, yep, don't do that.
You respect me, you don't knowme exactly, but the gay members
didn't care.
They were like this would.
I knew we're like why, whatever?
Whatever, you know, wegangsters we do what we do.
We don't give a fuck becausethey reckless, they don't feel
no values, they don't have nomorals, they don't have no
respect as to say they do andand uh.

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So my friend over here, which isis the you know another suit I
knew as well, but raised inMexico with more values, he's
trying to dispute that.
So my this, my brother, myfriends would dispute wins
because I told them like, hey,bro, family over anything, bro,
so you know what I'm saying.
Like, if you guys touch mybrother, then I'm gonna have to

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jump in, right, and I don't wantto do that.
You feel me?
Because I don't want free beef.
It's not my beef.
Nah, son, you handle your beef,especially because it's gang
beef, because I'm not a gangdude.
I only kick it with you becauseyou're my boy, so you never got
put on.
But check this out.

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So I kick it with so many dudes, right, I even kick it with
even Norteños, I even kick itwith.
And everybody's trying to putme in, everybody's trying to
recruit me because they like howI handle myself, they like how
I'm with it, they like all thatstuff.
So they're like man, we likethese little dudes and
everybody's trying to put me in.
But no, I'm not with that, Idon't.
I don't like to be bossed, youknow what I mean.

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So, um, so my friend disputesthat, okay.
So a week after that I go hangout with another friend of mine,
which is also a suranyo, whichis shadow, and he invites me to
a party.
So we'll go to this party, andthat party turned out to be the
enemies of shorties, whichturned out to be my uncle, that

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my cousins gang.
They were there, okay.
So the dude that was going tofight shorty turned out to to be
called shorty too, I guessshorty.
So that dude looks at me,shorty looks at me.
He's like dude, I know you.
And I'm like nope, you don'tknow me, bro, you see me, but
you don't know me.

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Yeah, and he's all like wheredo I, where did I seen you
before?
I was like you saw me last week, bro, you trying to find my boy
shorty.
And he snaps bro, and I'm likeI'm chilled.
Because I'm chilling, yeah,because, um, my uncle's there,
my cousins are there.
So I'm like man, I'm chilling,I'm at home, they're gonna back

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me up, they got love for me, I'mcool, you feel me?
So Shorty was like Nah, dude,I'm gonna.
I'm gonna find a Bit the crapout of this dude Right now,
because you know he's my enemy,he's friend with the wolf.
So I'm like, bro, it don'tgotta go that way, right,
because your beef is your beef.
Don't involve me on it, bro.
But if you really want to findan excuse to fight right now

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just to get it in, yeah, wecould just get it in like it's
nothing.
I told him that, run that face.
But the reason why I told himthat is because I'm like I'm all
right, my uncle's is here yep,you thought you were.
You know my cousins is here andI'm good, I'm straight.
You know what I mean, bro,these dudes was all like.

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One of my cousins was all likewhat, you wanna beat him up?
Yeah, he thinks he gangsta thisand that.
And then my cousins was alllike hey, cousin, you think you
gangsta?
And I was like no, I neverreally thought of that, bro, I'm
from mexico.
We don't really think of being.
We don't even we're not.
We didn't never heard that shit.
So we got here.
I thought, so I don't know whatyou're trying to say by that,

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yeah, and he's so like, well,you over here, you know like
buffing up and stuff like that.
I was like, well, this dudeover here, he can punk me just
because he got beef with youknow, this, this dude, and I
already told him it's not mybeef.
But if he wants to, just, youknow, get a real quick fade, we
can just get it.
You know, just, don't make upthings.
You know you don't got to makeup the.
Yeah, let's just do it.
Yeah, if you need that.
So they're all like got butteredbecause I said that, including

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my uncles and my cousins.
So they're like, oh, tough.
So they took me to the back oftheir house and, um, I had a 380
with me.
I took it out, I took thecartridge, I took the, the clip
off, I took all the bullets off,I put the clip on my in my
pocket and I handle the 380 tomy boy and I do it right in

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front of them.
Yeah, they're like, oh, it'snot, these two will do it.
They get all crazy, they getall stupid and I'm I'm like,
what the hell?
No man, trip man.
You say you want to catch afight.
Let's catch a fight.
It ain't nothing, bro, we dowhatever, yeah.
So they got more intimidatedover the fact that they thought
I was more a gangster over them.
So the fight turned out to be ajump.
So they ended up all jumping myuncles and my cousins and their

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homies and the big homie wasthe only one that didn't do
nothing, and he's the one thatstopped them all from me getting
beat up.
They were like, hey, stop,everybody stop.
And I get up and I'm like,let's do it again, I ain't
tripping, yeah.
And then the OGs are like hey,bro, chill bro, you good, you
got the respect, bro.
I came to a party to have fun,bro, I didn't came for this, you

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feel me so?
So I'm about her at that.
I would be cute.
I'm going to say his name.
He's very big and known here inColorado Springs.
They call him the spider.
Back then he was very respected.
Right now I don't know.
Back then I used to haverespect for him too.
Right now I don't, because youknow what his soldiers did to me

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.
But, um, they know that.
That I'm not.
I'm not no punk, but I want tothank spider, because he's the
one that stopped everybody,including my uncles, and told,
told them hey, bro, I teach youguys family first.
So my uncles, so my uncles,yeah, whatever.

(25:33):
Neil Lappel, yeah, so my uncles.
They kind of you know, theylook bad they stopped and they
apologized.
They're like, oh, my bad,cousin, whatever.
You know, we didn't mean to gothat way.
And at that point they flip itover to try to recruit me in.
Okay, yeah, so what?
The way that would have beenyour.

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Yeah, so what they do.
What they did now was like, hey, come on, man, let's, we're not
gonna do this party here, we'regonna go.
So they, we went to thisrestaurant I forgot which one
was it, man, but it was arestaurant here in the springs.
I don't think it's stillrunning, but it was a restaurant
.
Man, that what they knew, theyknew all of them.
Yeah, because we walked in andwhen we walked in they already

(26:15):
had the table set up for us andthey closed the whole thing down
just for us.
And I was like this, I don'tknow, it's something fishy about
this and then they made like alittle game reunion there and
they tried to recruit me in.
Um, they tried to recruit me in.

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So I'm like I don't know, Idon't know, let me think about
it.
But I already knew I didn'twant to be part of it because of
what they've done to me,because nobody wants to get beat
up and get treated like thatand then be part of that crew.
Hell, no, all right.
But I kept telling him, like,let me think about it, so that
way you know they don't take itas disrespect, you feel me.
So I was like, let me thinkabout it.

(27:00):
You know, I really gotta thinkabout it because I did today I'm
not so happy.
I did tell them.
I was straight up with them.
They know, they know what timeit is, yeah and um and uh.
Next thing, you know, a weekafter that, because everything
we went home and all that shit,yeah, a week after that, um, we
go to another party.
Or two weeks after that we goto another party and there goes,

(27:23):
shadow has another beef withanother motherfucker and Shadow
has a gun.
He's in my vehicle, he'sdriving my car because I'm in
the driving.
He, three dudes try to jump himand he pulls his gun, try to

(27:43):
defense himself, shoots only one.
Two of them run away.
Yeah, two of them the one thatgot shot became cool as fuck
with Shadow and Shadow, and, andthe guy that got shot, they

(28:04):
became cool as fuck, fucked withShadow and Shadow and and, um,
and the guy that got shot, theybecame cool as fuck.
They both said and testifiedagainst that I did it.
What, really?
So they came together and madethat as a plan to actually he'll
do that.
Yeah, what, that's crazy.
That's crazy.

(28:25):
It's crazy.
And that's how I ended upgetting framed.
How did I end up getting offthat shit?
Not so easy.
Because I told my publicdefender, because my public
defender was trying to dosomething good for me.
Fd Plus Was trying to dosomething good for me and I told

(28:45):
my public defender Send yourdetective and talk to the guy
that got shocked and tell himthat we're about to go to trial
and we're going to set him in alying detector.
Yep, and we're going to see.
And once that lying detectorgave us his line, we're going to
sue him for framing me.
We're going to sue him forframing me.
We're going to get him Becausethis shit ain't no joke.

(29:06):
Yeah, that is no joke.
Well, she says the detective,and the detective tells him hey,
we already know what happened,bro.
We already know that your bestfriend is the one that did it.
And you guys are trying toblame this guy.
Fuck him over.
We don't have proof, but we'regoing to take it to the line
detector and we're going to findout.

(29:26):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and that's how they endedup.
Damn, that's how they ended up.
That's fucking crazy.
Sending me from county tojuvenile, really, because they
find out I didn't do it, Ididn't have the gun Lay down,

(29:51):
and put me back on Juvenile forbeing part of it.
Damn, really, they want to putme over, no matter what.
So how long were you in county?
Then, big boy, six months.
And then I moved to Juvenile.
I was already in Juvenile forlike maybe a month or two and
then they sent me to county andthen I was in county for like

(30:13):
six months, from three to sixmonths, and once my court,
because one court came andnothing happened.
They were blaming me and theywere all like, what the hell?
Like, why are they blaming meand everything.
But then on the next part, dave, that's when I told them we
were in court, and I was like,hey, before he walks in, go tell

(30:36):
your detective to go talk tohim outside.
So the lawyer, she did obey me,I was going to do it and the
dude got the confession.
He's like, well, he didn't doit, but he was there.
So that's how they were like,okay, moving back to juvenile.
Wow, because you know they werefucking up.

(30:57):
They were fucking up with mesince I was in the war, so they
were already fucking with me bytaking the wrong guy, and then
now you want to send me tocounty when I'm a fucking Jew,
you know.
Well, I'm turning it back.
You know what I mean?
Just doing it all the wrong way.
Yeah, so Damn, that's crazy.
So so he got them to confess onrecorded tape and then they

(31:18):
took that to the.
Yeah, jimmer Lake, the victimwas saying the whole time that
I'm the one that shot him.
Yeah, that I'm the one that hadthe gun.
Mm-hmm the whole time, mm-hmm.
They searched my house, theysearched my car, they searched
my mom's house, they searchedevery house.
They didn't find nothing, not ahavoc.
He's out and do it.
At least they actually diddetect a word like Like

(31:40):
legitimately.
You know, like some cops I meansome people in certain
positions can just be like fuckit.
You know, hey, we didn't findanything and just like, try to
close the case as soon as theycan, like.
You know what I mean.
I try to do that with me, yeah,but it was my idea to tell the

(32:00):
lawyer go send your attorney andfront that book.
Really that something's goingto happen.
That's what really worked,because the dude got spooked and
then he ended up underconfession right there to the
attorney, to the, to the, to thepersecuted investigator and my
public defender investigator,yeah.

(32:21):
So they had to move me fromcounty to you know, like that,
because both of theinvestigators were there and
then they got the confessionright up.
And does that?
Does that mean that's how Iended up getting caught on some
dumb shit?
Did that dude get in trouble?
Uh, for doing the lion part oranything?

(32:43):
I really didn't know whathappened, because they
automatically tried to deport meright away, oh really.
And then they tried to get ridof me by sending me to ICE.
But then, you know, I paid alawyer and paid my bomb to get
released, paid a lawyer to keepfighting the case so I can get

(33:07):
my papers, because at this pointI can't afford for a lawyer,
bro, but if I can afford for alawyer, I pursue right now
county for like at least $100million, really, at least Dang.
But I haven't found.
I don't have the funds, I don'thave the money, and if I ever
have the money I'd rather spendit on my family.

(33:27):
Brother.
To be honest, bro, right, youknow what I mean.
They should go through all thatshit, brother.
But if I would've found one,trust me, bro, I'd have a
hundred dollar million soup tothe county, bro.
Yeah, because right after allthat happened, one of the
juvenile staffs that conductedscript searches there got

(33:48):
charged for rape, intellectualharassment, really yeah.
And that motherfucker made medo some jumping jacks, butt
naked, damn, of course they'regoing to do some shit like that.
So I went through a lot of shitbecause of that.
I thought so there is nowitnesses, there is no guns.
There is no guns.
There is no certified Maridiansthere is.

(34:09):
They don't have nothing.
They just straight up justcreated a fucking case.
I didn't air on me, damn, theyreally did, bro.
And that's kind of a bummerabout the whole family.
Part of that.
Aspect, because you know, likeyou said, they're Even though.
Aspect, because you know, likeyou said there, even though
there are gangs or organizationsor whatever you want to call

(34:29):
them, they have set rules inplace for a reason and that's
why those organizations havebeen running for so long.
It's because you abide by thoserules, right and um.
But when you're gangbanging,the shit ain't the same.
You know well I'll what,brother, I got to the point to
hit prison, to be in prison,unfortunately, but I did learn a

(34:50):
lot of stuff and I was able tolearn and see clearly that there
is no rules.
They don't abide by anything.
Bro, you're just a simplepuppet.
No, they're going to use andjust how you smash some people
out of your gang or you, how doI say, one day, the gang you're

(35:16):
for it's going to be against youPut it like that.
And I seen it in prison, bro.
I seen OGs, I seen shot callerslike a hundred to 300 soldiers
in a yard.
Yeah, getting shot down, bro,loyal soldiers Getting shot down

(35:39):
for no reason, for dumb things,for they don't have no laws,
they don't know about nothing.
Yeah, I've been watching a lotof crazy podcasts on you know
people and then I've talked toquite a few people that have you
know, done some time and yeah,I mean, there really is no
wolves up in there.
So I'm glad I'm I never got putup.
Yeah, I'm thankful I never gotput on.

(36:01):
You feel me, yeah, and andthat's what I was able to see,
that that you know, that it was.
It was kind of like a journeyto see that that's right, you
don't know until you know.
You don't know until you know.
And unfortunately, I was ableto know a little too late, but
not too late.
Yeah, you know, because I wasable to see that that's just a

(36:27):
deceitness, uh, type of way.
And I'm not trying todisrespect any game.
I mean, I respect the person.
I always respect the people.
You know humanity himself, andit doesn't matter what color,
what shirt, what uniform you'rewearing, what flag or whatever,
like, I respect you as a person.
But what one thing I did learnis that all those things are

(36:48):
just forms of division and andwhen you divide a human being
from another human being, you'restopping from something good,
something for happening.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying,yeah, so so I learned those
things, man, and then and that'show I was able to well, I ended
up getting framed for that, andI ended up getting framed for
something else later on thatpart, which I did mention to you

(37:12):
about.
I used to work with a boss thatwe used to do hardwood flooring.
His name was Arthur Fernandezhe should be from Nicaragua or
Venezuela, excuse me and um, andI used to work for him right

(37:35):
after I got I got bond out fromimmigration.
I got, I got out and I waslooking for work.
So I ended up meeting Arththrough one of Shorty's friend
that worked for construction notShorty the one I fought, but
Shorty that worked forconstruction, not shorty that
when I fought, but shorty thatused to be my friend, or I guess

(37:56):
you know.
I talked to him on and off buthonestly, I don't consider a lot
of people my friends.
You know, based of all the shitthat I've been through and all
those things, you know what Imean.
You know it's better that wayand you could consider yourself
friend friend of many but Idon't consider them my friend.
I got you, I'm very good tomyself more these days, but you

(38:18):
know the people I talk to.
They know I got love for them,you know.
And just because I don't talkto you every day doesn't mean
that I don't fuck with you orwhatever.
I'm just so focused on the goalright now.
You know, and sometimes maybeyou're not for the talk, maybe
you're for the action.
So if they leave something,you're gonna back them up.

(38:38):
That's what I do, but you feelme for.
So that's where true friendsare.
So, because I mean I could havea lot of people I could talk to
and spend time talking with andprobably chill and do nothing
from that stuff.
Yeah, but it's not a truefriendship, it you can't base
yourself on that.
So, yeah, so, going back, I gotout and I met Art and he does

(39:00):
hardwood flooring.
He does pay me at the veryminimum.
I believe he used to pay melike $.
Mean, I wasn't really, you know, really into getting on my
hours and getting on my paycheck.
I believe he was jacking, hewas stealing from me.
Plus, he didn't pay me thewhole check.

(39:22):
He'll pay me half check everytime.
So he always owed me money.
So I may am doing cartwheelfloors.
He turned out to be a christ guyto go to church.
He liked to lift weights.
He was the typical boss thatyou know.
He liked to work a lot.
He liked to work early and stayup late, but he did have an

(39:43):
addiction.
He did have a crystal methaddiction.
Oh, yeah, or you know to blurthat part out.
Yeah, you tell me what you wantme to edit out.
I mean we don't have to, butI'm just saying, if it's not
inappropriate, no, I'm good.
Other than that, you know, aslong as you're going to come,
try to kill me because youcalled him a meth head.
As a matter of fact, he's dead.

(40:05):
He passed away like two tothree years ago in an overdose.
I don't think if he was on methor on heroin, but he died.
He passed away, passed the note, which is one of the agents the
government used to get, butanyway.
So so he had a crystal methaddiction.
So because I was so nice, maybedumb keep on talking, by the way

(40:29):
I used to kind of get him the,you know, kind of find him
whatever he needs.
Yeah, get him the plug.
So one day well, he doesn'treally pay me.
Good, he's stealing from me.
When he pays me, he only givesme half or what always owes me

(40:50):
money he knows on.
You know, I'm on that bondprobation thing Just released,
so he's trying to take advantageof me?
Well, he's not.
He is taking advantage of me.
He was so until one day I showup to work.
We finished the work.
The next day he yells at mebecause he sends me to another

(41:11):
house to start and I'm therestarting.
Or he yells at me because hewanted me cleaning the project
which is finished, yeah.
So you know, I'm like okay.
So now he's yelling at me.
So new is becoming a worsesituation.
Yes, well, it got to the pointthat he would yell at me in
front of the owner and back then, you know, but the owner was,

(41:38):
there were two young females andyou know they kind of
embarrassed me, him yelling atme for no reason.
Yeah, so I got fed up then andI confronted him and I was like
and that, well, and I don't likethe way you treat me, I don't
like how I'm getting paid, Idon't like how you always money.
So I got fed up, so I just gaveit to him.

(41:58):
And you know, plus, you couldbuy all your drugs every day.
You can't pay me.
So I just gave it to him and Igive it to him in front of the
owners too.
I'm like, you like to show off.
Let's show off, buddy.
What's up?
I was like what you want to do?
Let's go outside.
We'll fight how you want to doit, because I'm fed up with you,
bro.
You're not going to talk to melike that.
Oh, trust me, man, I'm a coolkid bro, but not like that

(42:21):
brother, the way you treated mebro, trust me, man, you know
what I mean.
That there is so, and even theowners were like why are you
yelling at him?
You know the the owners werelike kind of like defending me,
low-key.
You know, because I was working.
You know, he just came out andover yelling at me.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
He's been working, he's beendoing his thing.
He's not as blacking like.
He's none of the workers.

(42:42):
You don't see him doing nothing.
I'm always doing somethingproductive when I'm at work.
So, um, so you know I'm alwaysthere just standing, you know,
against my, you know whatever.
And um, so I'm like whatever.
So I apologize to the owners.
I was like no, I apologize, I'mgonna leave.
He didn't want to pay me.
So I was like Tomorrow I needmy check and if he don't give me

(43:04):
my check, I'm gonna go look foryou at your house, cause I know
where it is.
Well then, that's the thing.
He show up with money, half ofwhat he owed me.
He show up with his wife, so Iwouldn't pay him.
But I was already at that last.
I was already at that pointwhere I was like I don't care

(43:28):
who he's with.
So I apologized first to thelady.
I was like man, I I trulyapologize and what I'm about to
say, maybe I shouldn't have saidit, but I'm done Like I don't
care anymore.
And you have a fucked uphusband and you know he
mistreats me and he owes memoney and this and that.

(43:48):
And it was like 9 pm.
Right now he's barely showingup to give me my money.
I've been waiting for him allfucking day until 9 pm and he
only giving me half.
I was like nah, man, and I waslike I'm sorry, man, lady, can
you please get out the car,because I'm about to get ready
to sock your husband because hedidn't want to get out the car.
I'm about to get ready of thesofa Right through the window.

(44:10):
So, yeah, so, but I told thelady if she could step out,
because the lady kept asking himlike why don't you pay him?
Yeah, and he said I don't havethe check, like food, you have
all the checks.
Like what do you mean?
Yeah, and he was lying, yeah,straight up lying.
So now he's arguing with hertoo, with her.
So now he's arguing with hertoo, with her wife, because her

(44:32):
wife on her helmet.
Yeah, like, pay these dudes,he's your best worker.
And he was like, well, I got togo inside the ATM and get the
rest.
And then she's like, well, getout and suck it up, go do it.
Yeah, well, he's all.
Like, well, tell him to go backto his R so I can get out,
because what if he try to findme?

(44:53):
I was like man, I just need mymoney, bro, I ain't trying to
fight you like that, just giveme my money.
I'm trying to leave.
You know, I work for my money.
Yeah, Well, he goes inside, hegives me all of, and then I call
the goods, get in my car and Ileave.
Yeah, two days after that, well, I don't have a job anymore.

(45:16):
Yeah, and I got things to pay,mm-hmm.
So I'm tripping, I'm trippingbad, two days without work,
nothing.
He calls me back and he says,hey, what's going on?
What's going on, bro?
And I was like what the hellLike bro?

(45:38):
Are you serious, bro?
Like you just rob me and do allthese things.
You just call me like nothing.
He said no man, look man, Ijust called you man.
I had an encounter with God thisSunday at church and he opened
my eyes and he told me to callyou and apologize.

(46:00):
And I'm doing bad, I have anaddiction and I already told my
wife and what the boo.
So he goes on and he startsjust, and I'm believing, I'm
believing everything he'stelling me.
So I'm like, I'm believingeverything he's telling me.
So I'm like oh man, cool.
Well, fuck man, I got to forgetthis guy.
Now, you know he called me too.
He was just, you know.

(46:20):
So I was like you know what he'sall like.
You want your job back, you canhave it back, but we're not
doing good right now.
Our job, the projects we hadkind of slowed down and with the
woo we started going.
So once he said he didn't haveno more jobs.
So I started paying attentionto what he was saying.
I mean, he's all like I'llprobably give you one more week
of work or two weeks.

(46:40):
So I'm like but I don't thinkI'll give you more than that,
because I don't have any moreprojects or whatnot.
So I'm like, maybe I don't know, man, because just the way you
are, man, I don't know if I wantto put myself in that spot.
So, um, because I had workedfor him for like almost a year,
so he didn't change, he didn'tdo nothing.
I know he was bluffing.
So I was like, just because youcall me and you apologize, bro,

(47:02):
which you never did yeah, like,I'll give you props, man, I'll
forgive you, bro.
But you know like, I'm allright, bro, I don't want the job
back.
I'm okay, you know, I'll seewhat I can do, I'll see what I
can find.
So he got, man, he's all likelook, man, this is what we can
do, man, let's make some moneytogether.
And I was like yeah, let's makesome money together.
I'm down with that.
You know, that's what I mean,that's what I'm mean.

(47:30):
He said, well, you're fromsinaloa, right.
And I'm like yeah, I'm fromsinaloa, so you got the plugs
right.
And I was like mother, then youalways ask for plugs and you
always get what you want.
And he's like yeah, that's whatI'm asking.
Well, this time he's like Idon't have that much, uh, work,
construction work.
So I want to invest money onthat, sounds like hmm.
So I thought about it, right,I'm cool.

(47:51):
But come to know that he wasalready planning to set me up.
You see what I mean.
But at that point I'm not reallytoo thoughtful, because I'm not
a drug dealer, because I don'tsell, because it wasn't in my
plan, because it was just afucking conversation.

(48:12):
So I'm like thinking of nothing.
You know what I mean, like oh,let me see what I could do.
You know, whatever, whateveryou know, yeah, make some phone
calls.
And he's like yeah, please canyou make some phone calls and
call me right back.
And I'm like, yeah, I'll callyou right back.
Fun, hang up on that fool,don't call no one, I didn't give
a fuck, forgot, aboutgot aboutit.
He's blowing my phone.
I'm like man, fuck Next day,bro blowing my phone.

(48:33):
Hey man, come on, send mepictures, bro, of $20,000 cash,
bro he has.
He's like come on, bro, wootie,woo, wootie, woo.
And I'm like man.
And once again, you know theway I am and the way I'm not
even thinking, evo, I'm not eventhinking Like go rob Nothing,
bro.
I'm like Stupid motherfucker.
Yeah, but then I get a call.

(48:55):
Two, three days after that Iget a call From one of my boys
From back in the day, bro, hecalls me.
He's like hey, what's up, man,what you do?
We're talking Robert.
He's like hey, let's kick it,let's kick it when you at, we'll
smoke or smoke a blunt orsomething.
And he was like hey, man, lookafter me, man, is there any way
you can help me get rid of someshit?
And I was like oh, shit, whatyou mean?

(49:17):
He's like yeah, I got some shitthere stuck, man, I just want
to get rid of it.
Man, I need a little bit ofmoney too with the wolf.
So if you can help me whateverout of my stupid ass, ex-boss
Art Fernandez and I'm like man,maybe I can help you, bro.
And then he was like can youlike let me make a quick phone

(49:40):
call?
So I called that motherfucker.
Big mistake, but I called thatmotherfucker up.
Hey, what's up boy?
Hey, what's up man, you ready,you ready?
I'm like dang you, I'll breakon the fuck down.
I'm ready too.
When, what time can we meet?
Oh, can we meet in like two,three hours at University Street
, university Street up inColorado Springs, which is

(50:05):
Colorado Springs and VJU prettymuch, yeah, airport, but anyway,
uh, vju, pretty much, yeah,yeah, yeah, airport, but anyways
.
So, uh, you did a deal with thedevil, basically.
So I'm dealing with the devil,I set up the deal with the devil
, bro, and I didn't know.
You know what I'm saying.

(50:25):
I'm in my mind, I'm looking outfor my boss and I'm looking out
for fucking my boy because,shit, I wasn't gonna get shit.
Like I wasn't gonna get nobenefit.
It was nothing for me.
It was really nothing for me,bro.
I was just kind of like beingcool and they'll be on the
middleman in a way, I don'treason.

(50:45):
But, um, yeah, for no reason.
So I'm like cool.
So my boy pulls out like $100,right, yeah.
And he's like, look man, tellthis fool, he needs to buy it
because we don't get free trials.
He's going to try it out and ifhe wants them, we'll send him
as much as he wants, yeah, yeah.
So I was like bet Dude pulledup bro in a Jeep Car.

(51:11):
Never saw before in my life alltinted windows, white dude,
driving dude, like white, likesuper white bro, like you look
Mexican next to him really.
Yeah, already alreadysuspicious, already car, already
suspicious.
Once he rolled down the windowand I seen the dude, I'm like

(51:36):
already bad bro, and I'm, I'malready on my, I'm already once
I seen that car, bro, I'm likewhat the hell.
And once I see I was like whothe hell is this car and who is
he with?
He rolled down the window, broand bro, and what do you think?
He's just like keela's, like anex-military type, shit.
I'm like oh fuck, I alreadyknow, bro.

(51:56):
Like all right, cool, fuck it,but check this out.
I'm seeing the signs then, butI'm like fuck it.
You know, I'm not thinking whatif I'm wrong?
What if I'm tripping?
What if?
You see, I'm saying I'm likefighting with my thoughts.
Now you know what I mean.
So what if I'm just tripping?
What if I?
You know what if I'm justpanicking or whatnot?

(52:17):
There we go, so I'm over theretripping, and then these people
saw a person like what's up?
Um, bring it bro, bring it.
Like okay, here I have, here, Ihave this, and so I know I'll
bring more.
How more he pulls out a doublebag full of cash.
He showed me like look man,what the wolf Already marked and
shit.
I see him, I look at him.
They marked and shit, I'm likethese motherfuckers.

(52:38):
I was like, why you bring thismotherfucker with you?
Oh no, don't trip, don't trip,he's my cousin.
I was like, oh fuck who?
He is my associate man.
All right, man, chill.
Man, don't trip.
Man, he's already here.
Fuck it man.
So I'm like fuck it, let's justchill, but don't be doing this
shit.
So check this out, bro, you twoin a fucking hurry, you need to

(53:09):
relax, bro.
You're still like Get this 100right now and give me 100 right
now.
And voodoo, I was like If youdo like it right now, tell me
right now.
I'll go do that right now, bro,while I roll the blunt.
But chill the hell out, bro,you gotta kick it, cause you
know you gotta go proper aboutthis shit.
See what the hell you'regetting.
And then he was like, oh shit,he didn't even sniff it or
nothing.
He just like smelled it.

(53:30):
And I'm like, ah, fuck.
I was like yeah, I like it,bring me all of it.
Bring me all of it.
And I was like all right, betShit, you got the cash.
I got the cash right there.
All right, let's smoke thisblunt first.
He's like are you sure, man, wecan go?
Fuck, I just told you like,hold on, I forgot the lighter.
Right now, hold on.

(53:51):
So I went and got the lighter,right, I went and got the
lighter and by then I haveparked in an alley because I
have that and I'm parked in mycar in the alley and I have my
boy in the alley inside the carwith the shit there.
So I was like, hey, fuck,you're going to fucking try to,
I don, but you might flip onthem, like why, I got a funny

(54:11):
feeling way, so we're cancelingthis.
I'm like, well, give me theother shit.
And I'm like I already gave itto him.
I mean, I have to wait.
It's kind of like get away, way, you know, because I have this
feeling way, but I'm not sure Icould be tripping.
And then I was like fuck thatbro, fuck that that.

(54:35):
We'll take the loss.
We'll take the loss.
We're not saying that shittoday.
Fuck that, you know, because ifyou have a feeling like that,
he's like what the fuck he'slike bro?
He's like you know thatmotherfucker, why didn't you?
I'm like I know that fool, butI don't know the other
motherfuckers.
So because of the othermotherfucker, I don't want to do
nothing, no more.
So if it's up to you, bro, ifyou want to go, do it.
Wait, it's you too, bro, butI'm no, let's go, let's get the
hell out of here.
So we just grabbed my Cadillac.
I had a white Cadillac, so Ijumped in and we just smashed
out, bro, and like 10 minutesafter that it was like

(54:57):
surrounded by the cops, fbi andall kinds of shit.
So I didn't realize I was likeon a run for like a year till I
got pulled over, really, and Igot pulled cocaine and what it
will, what it will.
One gram it was on.
Half of it was baking soda andshit.

(55:17):
And they tried to get me forthat shit.
They're shaming me.
First of all, it's not illegal.
It's just getting a little bitoff subject.
And the realistically situationwas an illegal raid One because
they know I'm not a drug dealer.
They're using me as a victim aswell, because it's not legally

(55:40):
appropriate functioning Using acivilian without his knowledge
to put him at risk.
You know what I'm saying forshit like that.
So the raid is already illegal.
You feel me Already, shit likethat.
So, yeah, so the rate isalready illegal, you feel me
already and, second of all, it'smore illegal, using a drug
added to stand and testifyagainst anybody in any kind of
trial or or hearing or judicialcourt period.

(56:03):
You feel me?
So at that point, everything iscrooked, everything that's
fucked up from the beginning.
You feel me?
So I go to court.
They give me for that and thejudge tells me right in my
scripts we know you're not adrug dealer, we know you don't
sell drugs and what they do,what they will, but you have to
go to prison anyways.
So they put me in prison fornine years Just for that, for

(56:24):
that Half a gram, for half agram and everybody that, for
drugs and for the same drugs asme, for like an ounce to a
fucking kilo, they were gettingsix months.
I wonder why.
I wonder why.
I'm wondering why the systemhere in Raposo County in 2012

(56:44):
was letting drug cases out onprobation without jail or prison
time.
But then I was the only onethat got jail time, prison time.
It was my first adult felony.
First adult felony Only gotcaught with the minimum and I
was in drug dealing and they allknow about it.
Yeah, so it was a big scamp ofoperation there which I could

(57:06):
prove.
I got paperwork, I goteverything there.
You know, if I ever get alawyer or you know someone that
could really help me in thatpart, yeah, you know, and he
would.
I'm going to even go 30, 70,you know, just getting 30
percent of wherever you get.
You keep the 70 because there'sa lot of money you can sue
these fools for and I got somany ways to prove that.
In so many ways, I mean, Ialready know the legal procedure

(57:29):
of how to go about it.
I just need that license, thatlicensing, and that you know
reputation to stand out more.
Because when you have a goodlawyer with that license, the
proper you know education orwhatever, and the best schools
yeah, the best schools and andsomeone that could really stand
out for himself, that you know,I mean he can get something.

(57:49):
That would be a baller case.
Yeah, yeah for sure, and itcould be done.
I was I'm telling you that rightnow, but yeah, that's how I
ended up getting framed as wellfor that one charge and that's
how I ended up basically gettingdeported.
I got qualified.
I got qualified, not qualified.
Classify that's the right word.
I'm not classified by thegovernment as a drug dealer or

(58:11):
drug trafficker, when in mycourt transcripts by the judge
it says that I'm not?
Yeah, dude, that's you feel me?
Yeah, so because of that, I'mrunning away from my life, from
cartels and running away from,you know, gangs.
Because of the system wherethey place me at, because when I

(58:35):
was detained in a federaldetention, I had a SIS, which is
a secret investigation serviceinside the prison.
Come and threaten me withthrowing me into rival gangs or
into a prison of gangs so I canget killed or murdered.
They were trying to put you in adifferent pod where you're not

(58:56):
supposed to be at.
They were trying to just, bro,I'm telling you, bro, god is
being with me all the way andeverywhere I step, there's
always one person that showssupport and that spiritual
protection.
Right here, you feel me, yep,and I've been protected by God
supernaturally.
Bro, you don't even understandthat supernatural.

(59:19):
I believe you and me goingthrough all those things and
still being here, bro, Iwouldn't be able to make it
without cannabis, without thatgreen leaf, without that Mary
Jane, without that spiritualboost, yeah, which I call
elevating your frequency and, uh, it does, taking you to.

(59:39):
Okay, I have actually learnedand questioned myself things
that I would never questionmyself on a, you know, sober
mind.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
You look inside yourself, youask the questions, you know what
questions to ask.
Because you're able to do that,your consciousness being right
risen that high.

(01:00:01):
It's uh, not a lot of people areable to do that as much as they
should or they could, but Ithink a lot of it has to do with
the way society's structuredand the way things are governed.
You know the judicial system,things like that.
There's a lot of things inplace that are out of place and,
in order for them to be donecorrectly, it's like a whole

(01:00:22):
reset of everything you know.
It's, in a way, uh, you knowwho knows when we get to that
point or not, if we do or not,but, um, the judicial system is
definitely a messed up situation.
I've talked to a couple peoplerecently that same thing with my
, my buddy, tom.
He had a attempted murdercharge and all these other

(01:00:43):
charges that were but hadnothing to do with.
Well, I, well, I was there andsorry to interrupt, but to put
more emphasis in what they'resaying.
I was able to understand andcomprehend.
To interrupt, no, you're good,but to put more emphasis in what
they're saying.
I was able to understand andcomprehend because when I was in
prison, there are drugs thereit's not a secret, you know what
I mean.
And I was able to find weed wax, you know marijuana, cannabis,

(01:01:07):
yeah, and.
And I was able to perform thatspiritual questioning and that
man, you know.
I mean that, that energy, thatfrequency to where, like, hey,
this doesn't end here, there'smore to know, there's more to
learn, there's, you know, justlook around and see and be in a
sponge and observe everythingyou see, bro, because everything

(01:01:28):
you see it will be as a, as alesson to you that one day
you're gonna need to remember.
So you know what to do.
You feel me.
So I was able to.
I was able to see a lot offavoritism, bro, a lot of
corruption.
You know, um, within the thesystem, bro, a lot, of, a lot of
I know you a lot of.
He's my family, so I was ableto see within lawyers, within

(01:01:51):
cops, within judges.
They sit down, bro, everymorning and they drink coffee
together, bro, and theydiscussed cases like they
discussed someone adopting ananimal, and I was able to see
that I can prove that.
I got so many ways to provethat.
I know that that happensbecause I had my public defender

(01:02:14):
come to me and tell me I don'tcare what you say, I don't care
what you're going to do Again,this is the public defender
about the case about R Fernandezframing me, yeah, and the
public defender going over thereand telling me hey, there's
nothing you could do, you're notgoing to snitch, you're not
going to say nothing, you'retaking responsibility, snitch.
You're not going to say nothing,you're taking responsibility,
you're going in, no matter what.
So if you tell me something,then I can turn against you.
And now I could be working withthe dea.

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I was like what the heck I meanwith the dea?
I was like what the heck?
So my own attorney, bro.
So the thing is, it's just,it's, it's nothing.
More clear, bro, is you knowthey're, they're eating together
, they need graphics together.
It's more than it's not ajudicial court anymore, it's not
a legal system anymore.
It's, it's a mingle system.
Now you know what I mean.

(01:02:57):
Like you hear a cop and me andyou uh, I'm a judge and me and
you drink coffee together.
Whoever you arrest, I got you,you don't need to have your
evidence.
Yeah, I got you, I'll send thatboy to prison, and that's
pretty much what it is andthat's pretty much what happened
.
They do it often.
I was doing my littleinvestigation, you know.

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Then, when I was in thatsituation, when I recently got
sentenced in a federal court, Itold my lawyer which I forgot
what his name was a publicdefender.
But I told my lawyer if hecould just please challenge
jurisdiction through theevidence.

(01:03:39):
How is that?
Just like in any other court,if you don't have the evidence,
you don't have no case.
You don't have no case.
Yeah, so that's exactly what Itold my lawyer Can you please
challenge the evidence?
Yeah, so he tried to challengethe evidence and the lawyer, the
judge, got mad.
Really, he was going to give me37 months.
He ended up giving me 57 months.
Why did he got mad?

(01:03:59):
For challenging or trying toquestion about the evidence,
right, which is the mainsubstantial thing?
Yeah, you know.
So he got mad.
So what I?
What I, what I seen there wasthat, once again, this is a lot
of favoritism, and once they,they, they try to see that you
know something or something,they're going to try to screw
you over, bro, they're going totry to screw you over, and and

(01:04:19):
that's exactly what's going on.
That's exactly what it is.
There's a lot of people thatare in prison, that should have
been in prison, you know what Imean.
There's a lot of prisons thatshouldn't we shouldn't have that
many prisons and what peopledon't know.
Hopefully the audience couldget to hear from these, to know

(01:04:42):
that the prisons were not meantto incarcerate people.
That's like the last option,last option.
You know what I mean, but thefreedom of the people should
never be in no one's control.
You feel me?
Yeah, rehabilitation is whereyou should be.
Rehabilitation, finding yourspiritual journey, your
spiritual you.

(01:05:03):
You know what I mean, thatfrequency that can connect to
your spirit.
Yes, sir, yeah, that'sliterally.
If you're not seeking it out,what are we doing?
What's that?
So, unfortunately, I would saywe would see a system that is.
It's a system.

(01:05:24):
It's meant to be a system.
It's meant to be used.
Yeah, but it can only be properused if you want them to proper
use it with you.
Yeah, like in Mexico, we gotthis say it says no one has
rights unless you fight for him.

(01:05:44):
So you can't expect me to havethe same rights as you if you
don't fight for your rights.
Yeah, you feel me so you don'thave nothing until you fight for
it, and and when you havenothing, it's easier to fight.
You know, like I considermyself a fighter because the way

(01:06:06):
I grew up and and all thechallenges that I faced and
stuff like that, and and maybebecause you got a point in your
life where you ain't got nothingto lose, maybe, or you're
willing to lose it all.
Give it all.
Yeah, well, I think when you'rehurt inside and if you have
things that are unsettled andthings that you haven't

(01:06:27):
confronted or faced whatever,it's going to come out in other
ways and it's going to make younot the person that you're
supposed to be.
You know, and once I was ableto actually figure out place,
like why my behavioral habitsare this, and tie it in to
things, and then tracing thatback and is there anything that
has to do with, uh, like ingenetics, family stuff, like

(01:06:50):
there's a lot of differentfactors, but you know, once,
once you it just it takes thefirst step of like looking
inside yourself and wanting tomake that journey.
You know, cause if you're notdoing that, you're trying to
numb it all and you're trying toforget it all and see, that's
like, that's just the way I seethings.
Kind of the way you describe it, like me, like all the things

(01:07:12):
that I've been through right now, and like I kind of like
explain, uh, the more I wentthrough it, the more open my
eyes to know who I am.
And I cannot know yet who I am,but I know who.
I'm not right, you feel me.
Yeah, I'm not like anybody else.
I'm not like this one.

(01:07:33):
I'm not like that.
So there's a lot of things thatyou're not.
So you start.
For instance, I know I'm not agay member.
I know I won't like to be a gaymember.
Right, I know I won't.
You know what I mean Because ofwhat I've been through, what I
paid through, what I seen, right, yeah, that experience of, as I
said, we don't know, and youlearn, like your, your native

(01:07:54):
roots or whatnot.
But then you also learn them andyou analyze them.
I mean you also don't trulywant to accept, because you kind
of want to stay on the naturalneutrals level or side or
whatnot, yeah, and then beconsidered just a human being,
just like your podcast.
Yeah, it's just, you know wedon't get to really like pick

(01:08:15):
things like our parents or wherewe grew up.
It's like those are the cardsthat were dealt, and then how
you deal with those cards though.
Uh, environment is a largefactor and you know like, for
instance, your, your grandma andyour uncle were huge influence
of gandhi.
You know like, if you didn'thave that like who knows what,
what, what direction you couldhave been in a year, and and not

(01:08:37):
just for me, for, like, mainlymost my family, most my brothers
too as well, you know, becausethey've been support for them as
well, you know.
But I mean, yeah, the, you knowthey supported us, they
supported me, they supportedfamily in general, and you know,
like you said it, just it has adifferent, a different story.
So you, I know you got diddirty by people that were in

(01:09:01):
that church, uh sort of space,but your grandma and your uncle
are in that sort of space too.
Do you have any like when youthink, like, conflict is there?
Yes, it does, because, in a way, because or I don't know if I'm
trying to explain myself right,but this is just the way I see

(01:09:22):
it yeah, I see my grandma and myuncle trying to be christians,
but they're not reallychristians.
You see what I'm saying,because you also see them doing
things that other people do.
You see what I'm saying?
Like I don't want to use thatword, but it's kind of like well
, it really fits for it, andit's like hypocritical, like
everybody that sits in thechurch is very hypocritical.

(01:09:44):
You know what I mean and thatalso can fall for anybody,
including my uncle, including mygrandma.
How and why?
Including my grandma, how andwhy?
Because, let's say, my unclehelps someone in need that don't
know you know what I mean andhe gives them $1,000.
But then he has a nephew thatgot beat up, has no work yet

(01:10:07):
still lost his money, has to payrent, has to pay all this.
I have a children, I have awife, but he won't make the same
sweet, cool action.
Yeah, I get it well, becausehere he's doing it as a
Christian with his stranger,yeah, and over here he's doing

(01:10:27):
it as a regular person.
I don't want to say as a familyeither, because I've seen some
family that support no matterwhat, yeah, yeah, but then you
also see that kind of those kindof treatment.
You know what I mean Actions.
Yeah, you feel me A little bit.
See those letters.
Yeah, a little hippocampus,picking and choosing.
Yeah, like, cost is okay, butthis is, yeah, like you, on your

(01:10:48):
church, base of your church,you go around and give away for
kids, which is cool, which isfine, which is the blessing,
which is thank you.
So I keep doing it.
Yeah, but you never questionhow your nieces and nephews are
doing.
You never really you know whatI mean like you never really go
visit them, you never really gowith it and give them a toy,

(01:11:08):
give them a toy, give him asomething.
Like, you know what I'm saying.
Like, so Then, like, what's inthe religious world?
Yeah, in the religious world,they're all following the same
thing.
Basically, brother, you seewhat I mean.
But when you're really truespiritual, like me and you, bro,
we don't base ourselves forthat.
We are the same anywhere andeverywhere we go and we're with

(01:11:29):
everybody, just saying you feelme, yeah.
And then, even with our animals, even with our dogs, bro, like,
like, if I'm giving him some,I'm gonna give the the two some,
because that's how much aboutyou know nature, good people we
are.
It's all one of over and andand and in another religion
world.
It's more like I already did mymy good day, fuck the rest.

(01:11:52):
Everybody kind of looks at adifferent scope, you know,
because you know each religionhas different rules and
guidelines and everything thatyou know.
So there's so much overlap andstuff that, like I said, I'm
just on my spiritual bugs.
Right, I'm me and mother earth.
We're one, and that's where Ishould.
The balance should always bestaying, because, how do I say

(01:12:14):
it, bro, you just want to be youand you don't want to be with
the wrong ones, but you don'twant to be with the wrong ones.
You want to be right in themiddle, where you know you're
good.
For instance, my uncle, mygrandma and mainly everybody
that is Christians.
For instance, my uncle, mygrandma and mainly everybody
that is Christians.
They seem to always, you know,invite you to church and they,

(01:12:35):
you know, come and congregate,you know, do these prayers and
do these studies, everyone.
And to me that's justunnecessary To me you feel me
Like, because it'sresponsibilities, brother,
you're giving me, not God, andif you see me not doing that,

(01:12:57):
where are you going to think ofme.
He's sinning, he's not rightwith God, he's not, you know,
he's not in his spiritualfrequency.
We're not going to baseourselves on that.
So that's why I try to tell mygrandma and tell my, my, my
uncle, because when I first got,when there was a time where I
didn't have a car, I couldbarely get to work, and when I

(01:13:17):
did, I had to walk like an hourto get to work.
And and then I go visit mygrandma and my uncle and they be
like, oh, how come you don'tcome to church?
Like like, bro, why don't havea car for work?
I know what makes you think.
You know, yeah, like I can'tmake it here, yeah, yeah, it's
not.
Like, oh well, I'll give you aride to church, I'll go pick you
up and I'm like, bro, can youpick me up Monday to go to work?

(01:13:40):
Like I don't want to walk.
They don't want to hear that.
You see what I'm saying.
So that's where.
Would I go somewhere and say,hey, I'm going to do these or do
that, or congregate or do that.
I'm just putting the burden ontop of my shoulder or back that
you're going to judge, not thatI see, people feel like they

(01:14:02):
need to be a part of a group orsomething.
I think that they want to fitin.
They want to be a part ofsomething right, like me, I'm
cool, I'm no wolf, I'm chilling.
I want to agree with you 50% or100%, but I want to say only 1
out of 10 or 1 out of 20 thatwants to fit in.

(01:14:24):
But everybody else, I look atit as they're hiding something.
They're so hypocritical.
This is the only place theyfeel good.
This is the only place theyfeel good.
This is the only place theyfeel safe and this is the only
freaking place where they couldpretend oh, because they haven't
done the work yet, they haven'tlooked inside themselves yet.

(01:14:46):
They haven't Because, or fixwhatever they need.
Because, because, check thisout, bro, let's be realistic and
let's be more godly.
Will you hang out with childmolesters?
I wouldn't know.
Redditors, will you hang outwith those kind of people?
Will you hang out with the kindof people you consider evil,

(01:15:09):
that kill horses or eat horsesor something that you could
consider real wicked?
Bro?
All those things, I wouldn't.
I don't like those.
Well, when you go to church, youdon't question yourself, so you
will know who you're surroundedby.
And guess what?
Isn't it a good man notsupposed to hang around with
wicked men, isn't it?

(01:15:29):
A man should be a man of God,should be brave enough to push
away from those kind of people.
Yeah, that's true, right?
Or should I just be a christian, say, oh, god will forgive me,
so we cool, now we can hang out?
Yes, the thing I feel like youcan feel that energy off of that
type of person, right, andthat's why I'm out here, you

(01:15:49):
know what I'm saying.
Or sometimes you can't feel noenergy, because when I go to
church I feel no energy, bro,like dead, like dead nigga, like
I'm ready to go to sleep.
You feel me, yeah, like I'mready to go to sleep, type
frequency.
Like man, I'm more active athome without me.
I get what you're saying,though.
No, I really do, because when Iwas a kid, I was, you know, my

(01:16:11):
mom's a very religious Christianwoman.
Love her, that's done so muchfor her, and faith is a part of
that.
I think people, you knowsomething to gravitate to, to
hold on to, but I remember meand my brother just sitting in
church and just looking at thatclock up there and then like how

(01:16:31):
many minutes went by and itwould be like two and I'm like,
and the worst ones were whenthey grabbed the microphone.
Those were the worst timingever.
Bro, I get beat up, man, if Ididn't walk in church when I was
young.
Really, I grew up inchristianity.
Tough bro, yeah, like.
Tough bro, like they don't makeme, spank me, beat me if I
don't pray, if I don't do these,or, bro, if I don't walk in the

(01:16:52):
church and my dad didn't see mesit in church, bro, it was bad
for me, bro, it was all bad forme, yeah, and then it was bad
for my brother too.
I have one of my brothers.
He's a musician.
So because he was talented withmusic, they wanted to keep that
for him.
And the holy's, you knowjuvenile side and teach the

(01:17:16):
juveniles all kinds of stuff.
But, um, like I said, I don'tjudge the people, I just judge
the religion.
How, yeah, how the religionseems to dress something that
it's not.
And my mom, she's a christian,my dad is a christian, like
everybody's a christian.
Um, and I always try to like,hey, there's something more
missing, man.
There's like, let's put it likethis, that doesn't seem real.

(01:17:38):
There's something more realthan that, there's something
more powerful than that.
That's what I keep telling mydad and my mom, like I'm not
telling you not to believe invalor, like, like, like I'm
telling you, bro, like I knowthere is a God, bro, but I'm
just telling you, man, like it'ssomething more than that, it's
way more than that, or somethingyou can sing about, more than

(01:17:58):
that.
And then your spirit it's notyour mind, because you're used
to this Christianity, mind,focus and entertainment and all
these things.
No, man, it's, it's it's spirit.
You know, it's a spirit thing,you know.
Know, fill it with your spiritand then cut your mind off.
Yeah, you know, becauseeverything you have is an
imagined engine that your mindis, it's giving you.

(01:18:19):
But once you feel your spirit,your frequency, your vibe, your
you know, then you know, withyour spirit oh, this is my
spirit, you know, not all my.
Yeah, it.
It takes the work.
Go to getting there and goingthrough things and and learning
from your mistakes is a huge onetoo.
You know, you keep making thesame.
There's no growth in that ifyou keep doing that, you know.

(01:18:40):
But we all have that option toto make a change and go in a
different direction with ourlives, if we're in a bad spot or
in a bad place or or whatever.
I firmly believe that you know.
But it doesn't.
It's nobody else, it ain'tgonna be anybody else.
It's gotta be right here.
It's gotta be you that does it.
Ain't that right, poor Trump?

(01:19:00):
Yes, I gotta be you.
In many ways, like through mylife journey, I'm able to prove
to myself that the only a uniquepower and most power you can
get out of them, it's withinyourself, it's from you.

(01:19:23):
Yeah, 100%, 100%, about 10%?
What else do you think?
Yeah, so how was I able to dothat and find myself in the
spiritual thing?
Yes, going back, the cannabis,the cannabis, the cannabis, the

(01:19:47):
cannabis.
I thank God for the cannabis.
Hopefully he can correct me ifI'm wrong, but I keep thinking.
Cannabis is it's part of the CDhe gave us to healing.
You know what I mean, and I dobelieve that we misuse it or we
are using it the wrong way, or,as perceived by him.

(01:20:08):
Yeah, but other than that, youknow what I mean.
Like I told Marsha earlier, Icould go through hell all day.
I'll go back home, smoke me ablunt Yep and, bro, I reset my
mind, my body.
Yesterday I went to havesomeone else go lift some

(01:20:31):
furniture heavy-ass furniturefrom their house.
Yeah, brother, trust me man, Iwas exhausted, bro.
My body was like exhausted,like really really tired, cool.
So I got home, smoked a bluntand it was like I was exhausted,
bro.
My body was like exhausted,like really really tired.
So I got home, smoked a bluntand it was like I never went to
work.
Right Like bro, like literallybro.
But you can only get thatfeeling if you connect with your

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spirit, bro, if you can justknow that your spirit is
stronger and more important thananything else than your body,
bro, feel you'll feel that, bro,100 like every time you smoke,
bro, you can literally resetyour mind, bro, and you can,
like me, I'm able to to show andI'm able to feel love when I

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smoke, bro, like I can literallylove my neighbor up high, bro.
It's for, without knowing yourass, it breathes.
I love this way.
I don't even know this, eventhough he's full, but I love
this book, trust me, man, andI'm not saying it to sound funny
or be dumb or nothing, it'sliterally what I, my spirit
feels like you, cool, you're thebest cool metal guy and and see

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off subject a little, but youknow, pertaining to cannabis, um
, so here's a little story upside.
So I have Mary, my wife, righthere.
I have a brother-in-law inSinaloa.
He was in Sinaloa as well, sothey accused him of doing
something he didn't do, but itwas really, really bad.
So the mafia wanted to kill him.

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So they gave him 24 hours toget him out out of that little
county.
So the lieutenant calls meright, the cops?
Because you know they werewhere they were with each other.
So the lieutenant calls me andhe's like you're his
brother-in-law, like yep, I saidour boy, how much do you love
this guy?
And I'm like, well, he's mybrother-in-law, that's it.

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You know, that's what I cantell you.
He said like well, you got 24hours of life.
Buddy, if you really love him,get him out of here, send me
money.
I'll put him on the bus for youand send him your way.
Yeah, so, so I followed through,you know, because you know God
gave brother-in-law I probablywouldn't do it for anybody, yeah
, right.
And God gave me some money.

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Then I had a little bit ofmoney Not like he gave me the
resources to save the money andgood money.
I got probably like $10,000there then, and Mexico has a lot
of fucking money.
So, yes, you know, I was likewell, god, you gave me money.
I don't think it's fair for meto say no.

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Facts, bro.
So you saw that I have to actaccordingly, appropriately.
You know, within my spiritualworld, you know what I mean.
So God is blessing me.
Why would I?
And, anyways, I'm over herethinking like, oh, this is why
you blessed me, god, becausethis situation was going to pop
up.
Now I know why you gave me that, yeah, so next thing, you know,
I'm like fuck it, I'm spendingall my money on this idiot I

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don't know.
You know because he's over here.
He has a background as well.
Yeah, come from a fucked upfamily.
Yeah, dysfunctional.
He's is crystal map as well,and he's really really big, um,

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and in mexico he's really bigand um, have you heard of la
santa muerte, the holy dead?
Yeah, the dead, yeah, and no,but yeah, but yeah, mainly, yes,
that's what the main concept isyesterday, is that?
But they call them holy creeper.
The holy creeper, the skull,yeah, yeah, it's.
It's literally a religion inmexico, really, and mainly by

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cartels or stupid people.
I mean, I don't want to offendyou, you know, but have you
sacrificed and stuff like that?
It has to do with a lot ofstuff.
It's.
It's a wicked kind of thing.
But you know, some people useit for good.
They said it's good, they do,they do it for good and some
other people they use it for thebad, they use sacrifices and do
all these evil things with it.

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Yeah, so so I get my brother alot right.
So you know, I'm spiritual.
I don't like none of that stuff.
I'm not with none of that stuff.
Yeah, I'm very peaceful, youknow, a small way, whatever,
whatever.
So I, wherever god save him, godsave his lives, I get him home.
He shows up.
I don't get him.
I don't get him home by himself, sister, another sister where

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his sister turned out to comewith him.
So I got two now iphone and I'mlike, okay, god, well, what are
?
Well, what are you going to dohere?
You know what's this going tobe like.
Now I have a what?
A rehabilitation room or houseor what, correct, anyway.
So I literally left these boysin there, bro, because they
wanted to get out and find somemeth.
Yeah, so I have these boysrehab for a year.

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Well, this guy, he's very intopraying to the death.
I didn't know, I did not know,because that's just demons, but
we believe in demons.
Yeah, you believe insupernatural?
Okay, I believe in that, like Ibelieve in the supernatural
being, oh yeah.
Well, those are demons, bro.

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I unveil something there aswell, because the dude he gave
his life to the dead, the ladygave his life to the dead.
So this dude, he's goingthrough a lot of stuff,
supernatural stuff.
He's not just struggling withaddiction, he's struggling with

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demonic shit, with satanic shit.
Bro, like heavy in my house,you feel me?
I'm like, damn bro, what areyou doing in what?
There's ouija boards in myhouse?
What are you doing?
So I'm there just thinking likewhat I got myself into.
And this dude, he has a badattitude.

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He talks all stupid.
She wants to fight, she wantsto go find some, some, some
drugs.
He wants to do all these crazyshit he shouldn't take to order.
So I told him look, man, nodrugs in here, not even alcohol,
especially permitted for you.
I'm not a professionalrehabilitator, but I'm gonna be
one for you.
Yeah, I'm not a professionalrehabilitator, but I'm gonna be

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one for you.
Yeah, I'm not a professionalone, but I'm gonna be one for
you and I'm gonna use the samethings that I use to control my
spirit and my human being, whichis the cannabis.
So this dude buried the modelNah, that's just for stupid
people, for the lazymotherfuckers, and you already
know talking shit.
So this dude Buried the man.
No, no, no, fuck, yeah, that'sjust for stupid people, for the

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lazy motherfuckers, and youalready know the fucking shit.
I've heard that you feel me.
Yeah, tar bags and wooty woo,wooty woo.
I would never do that, I wouldnever touch that.
That's just for fucking idiots.
And you know, fucking methmakes you smart.
And I'm like, motherfucker, youabout to get killed because you

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smoked that shit.
And you're saying that makesyou smart.
Yeah, you stupid as hell.
Well, anyways, the dude refusedto smoke weed and I'm like, look
, dude refused, that's fine.
Now we're going to turn itaround.
Yeah, because I thought of it.
Thought, remember, I told youthat I wasn't Allowed you to do

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any drugs.
And he was all like, yeah, nowit's gonna be the opposite,
motherfucker, now you're gonnaSmall weed, because I'm making
you Small weed While I'm sendingyou Back to where you came from
and you go deal with theselieutenant and these mob people.
So I'm not dealing with yourstupid mouth, bro.
So either you hit that jointright now and you finish it by
yourself, or you get up all yourshit.

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You ready to go back there, bro, and call your family and tell
them goodbye forever, bro,because I'm not dealing with you
, bro.
I'm telling you that right now,bro, I'm not dealing with you.
You smoking a joint and youabout to relax like you never
relaxed in your life.
Yep.
So the dude was like reallyrude, you really going to make,
bro I'm not even playing, broyou tough, you say one more word

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.
And I'm not only going to makeyou leave, bro, I'm going to
smack you right now, bro,because you're being stupid now.
Wow, dude.
So the dude ended up smoking thewhole joint because he didn't
want to go back.
I mean, you don't want to.
In his right mind would do thatright, but I was going to do it
because I don't take people'sbullshit.

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Well, meth is like the worstthing on the planet.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's why I'm like tripping.
You know, I'm like tripping,like no, you're not going to
here.
Yeah, here are the worst methhomes.
So he smoked the whole joint bro.
Yeah, till this day, that's allhe smokes.

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Really, we not meth.
Really, no meth.
No, nothing Turns his life Fuck.
Yeah, he's doing good.
He got the demons outside ofhim.
He doesn't believe in the dead,no more.
I mean, he believes he's wicked.
Now, yeah, he believes in asuper being, because he will.
He had an in-accounter.
This is what happened.
Now I had the same trip withhis sister.

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So the sister it's a littlemore mellow because she's a
female, so she's trying tocooperate a little bit more, but
she's also a devoted of thedeath.
You know, she's also a demonicperson.
She literally has demons insideof her and I don't know that.
Yeah, so she likes smoking weed.
So I I one day I told joseph,joseph, roll up a few joints.

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We're gonna fucking go watchsome movies, eat some some food,
you know, I mean some wings andbitches in the living room and
we're gonna fucking smoke.
You know we're gonna.
I went to go drop off myson-in-law At my brother's house
to go play.
So we had the house to smoke,so we were cool.
So we were there chillingsmoking, all four of us Actually
it was the I did it Ended uptaking the kids Because I had my

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kid and I had my niece, whichwas my sister-in-law's daughter.
Oh, two nieces, two daughters.
So they were there.
So this is what happens we werethere eating and everything.
After finishing smoking a bluntoutside, we come in and we're
eating and doing all thesethings P10 and doing pizza and

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doing pizza and then a call goin on my girl's phone and they
happen to be a friend of hersister as well.
So she passes the phone to hersister and then they're all over
there like, yeah, man, when Iget out, this girl's a man.
What the hell are you sayingright now?
So you just, are you reallysaying that shit?
Like in my house, like rightnow, like I just saved, save you

(01:31:06):
guys from dead, you guys aretalking about going back and
smoking that shit crazy.
Well, she possessed bro.
No, like, like, no, no, no, no,no, no.
Literally.
Like when I said that and Ilooked at her in her eyes when I
, like, confronted her, like herwhole demeanor, her whole face,
uh, uh, facials changedeverything, everything, bro.
Her eyes turned red quick andshe started talking like a demon
, bro, like an exorcist, like afuck, like a deep voice.

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Like my nieces, my son-in-law.
They're there watching bro,like my brother-in-law is there
watching bro, and they're seeingeverything, bro, and I'm over
there there like I'm about tostart praying right.
But, um, I, I study a littlebit of hebrew and I studied a
little bit of greek and I alsostudied a little bit of greek
terminology and all that stuff.
So I knew a few prayers in inin hebrew and greek and I

(01:31:56):
started praying right and Istarted telling the demons that
you know I'm scared of you guys,you guys are not welcome here,
that you know we don't believein you guys, and that to leave
the bodies alone, because thisis a high frequency house that
it's only allowed love,frequency, sound of what I said,

(01:32:16):
music to almighty frequency.
I just started going crazy, bro, saying all kinds of things to
the demons.
Bro, you know what I'm saying,just letting them know ain't
nobody scary here, you know,ain't nobody believe in
wickedness like that.
So I can't see nothing.
They can't my brother-in-lawsee all that?
And then the death they saidthat she left Because the little

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girl, because them fools, werelike going crazy, getting
possessed.
And then my niece she was likeoh, she's right there, she's
right there.
And I'm like who is she Likewho are you talking about?
I don't know, it's something inblack, like a black girl,
fucking real time shit.
And then, like you can't reallysee the face, you only see red
eyes.
And then, like in the hands yougot like a moon.

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And then, on the other hand,you got like a chain and then on
the back of her bag you got abunch of eyes and the little
girl, bro, like she starteddescribing me the dead.
You know the creeper, bro, andI'm like what in the heck, bro?

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So, bro, I'm telling you, bro,so, based of cannabis yeah, I
don't want to say it triggeredit, I don't want to say, but I
know cannabis has a lot, of, alot of spiritual power, brother,
and I know it can help youmeditate deeply.
You know what I'm saying and Iknow that by them smoking weed
with me and becoming in onefrequency, they were able to
expel those negative energiesout of hell.
You see what I'm saying,because they felt that energy
was too high in there, bro, youfeel me?

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So the so those negative vibesliterally wiped out of them, bro
, and my sister-in-law also.
Till this day, bro, no moremeth, no more, nothing, nothing.
My sister-in-law, mybrother-in-law.
To this day, bro, just oncannabis, bro, just stuff,
cannabis, bro, and, and, like Isaid, a little bit of subject,
but you know, that's somethingsupernatural that I kind of want

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to tell you.
That.
That's why I kind of likecannabis is another thing, bro.
Cannabis is a natural treatmentto your spirit, to your soul
and to your physical pain, andyour physical, yeah, and your
physical pain.
You know, even though itdoesn't heal the physical pain,
it does heal the spiritual.
You know what I'm sayingBecause you know I'm saying
because you know the spiritualis more important than anything
else.

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It's fat, like I could tell youright now, like maybe a few
parts of my on my body likethey're in pain right now, but
because I'm so always high, likemy body don't even acknowledge
it, doesn't know it.
You feel me and I could dowhatever the heck I want.
Really, I meditate.
I meditate pretty, a prettygood amount these days, you know
, especially over the last liketwo years.
And, uh, you know, with thecannabis and all that, you know

(01:34:49):
the psilocybin, you know how,how, how important that is for
me and uh, yeah, I've been ableto accomplish so many things,
man, with that, the meditationwith it, with that, you know,
and and and, uh, the meditationis just naturally in deep with
the cannabis.
Yeah, you want cannabis if youjust you can reach those higher

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levels in light of that, withouteven trying.
It's crazy.
It's crazy without even trying.
Brother.
There's sometimes some thoughtsthat come to me brilliantly,
that I just wish I can embracethem.
But just, it just comes soquick.
They're just like, but it'sjust the effect of cannabis,
like you can get some someawesome meditation ideas or one

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up and um, and they just goquick because there's just so
many of them.
Yeah, I keep this notebook righthere, I keep it by my dead
because I write things down thatthat you know it's it's very
important though, um, but yeah,cannabis is, is a huge.
I haven't drank alcohol like atall in like a long time I don't

(01:35:54):
even know anymore, like twoyears maybe or something.
I don't know.
Maybe I should look that up,but a really long time.
And and, uh, that kind ofstarted this, this journey with
the cannabis, with all the thingyou know, the psilocybin, uh,
and then being able to tie thosein to like healing my body.
But then, you know, I'm very Igo to.

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Usually when I'm not this busy.
I'm in the gym every day at 5am, you know, and, and, and I'm
able to do that because you know, like you said, you come home
at night, you smoke, you relaxand you're good and it's like
you didn't do it, you know.
So, yeah, and then I meetsometimes, brother, I wake up
and it's just like I don't gotthe moon for nothing, like I

(01:36:37):
don't even want to move.
Yeah, as soon as I get that onefirst hit, now you're chilling.
Then I'm like, okay, so what dowe got to do?
We can start this.
So what is it that we need todo?
And stay consistent.
Yeah, that's good that there'salways been negative around it,
you know, and stuff like that.

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And the legalization across allthese states shows, you know,
how important, important it is.
Now, every dispensary I've goneto, there's like 70,
60-year-old people in theregetting their stuff and stuff,
Like you know, it's medicine.
So I wish more people wouldunderstand that it truly is
medicine.
You just find the strain thatworks for you.
I'll plug you up, man.
I'll call you which way youneed to go.

(01:37:18):
You get your cheapest things inyour books, man, and when I
every day, when I walk in there,every time I'll go in there.
Man, it's packed, but they gotthe best prices, bro, they get
the best book.
So you got there like young,like us, and you got older
people Like I see some seniorswalking in like all excited and
stuff, and they come out Justlike that person, just like that

(01:37:43):
.
You know what I mean Because,yeah, I actually go here.
I mean I don't want to promoteit without getting blessed, but
I go to it's called HealingCannon Dispensary.
I don't know if you heard of it.
I don't get out much, but Idon't get out much.
You're like $30 an ounce, oh,nice, $30 an ounce.
And you get four grams of waxfor like $20.

(01:38:05):
Nice.
Or, if you want to get one, onegram of wax is $8.
I haven't been doing the waxstuff for a long time.
I just I like the buds, I'm justlike I don't also have blunts
anymore, but if I did, I missthat feeling.
Yeah, you know, twisting one up, yeah, I kind of can't let go
of the feeling of the flower.
I love flower.
I got to stay with the flower,no matter what, right.

(01:38:26):
But right now it's just my bestbet because I'm working and I
work with different clients.
I work with different people.
Yeah, so now I always want togive that smelling aroma.
Yep, for sure, because I don'twant to disrespect them.
Yeah, so that's why I kind ofsometimes use that.
It's stronger too, so, yeah,and then I use, you know, the
pan or when I just get the vape.

(01:38:47):
Yeah, you know, but that way,try to keep it, you know,
professional when I'm at work.
But other than that, bro, Ilove me my flower.
I, if I had like a lot of weedevery day, I'll be rolling every
day, rolling every.
Yeah, sometimes I roll atnights and I roll like 20 or 30
of them, damn at once.
But just to like last year,yeah, yeah, just for like two

(01:39:09):
days, baby, yeah, that's whatyou do, bro.
I smoke a lot, bro.
That's a smoke a lot, I feel.
I feel you, bro.
Um, I feel like we did thepodcast within the pre-podcast,
which is great.
It's amazing, as you want tocover it.
There's something else.
What else did we do?

(01:39:30):
Do we miss those questions?
Got those questions?
What are the questions?
We only highlighted this one.
I don't know if this is a goodone for your situation.
Huh, if you could go back andtalk to your 17-year-old self,
what would you say?

(01:39:50):
It doesn't have to be 17.
What would you say to that?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's thereason why I like the question,
because it said 16, 17.
That is, and it's the properage where you think you know it
all but you don't know shit.
You feel me.
So that is like about theperfect age to be you know, to

(01:40:11):
be to tell yourself somethinglike yeah, but I wouldn't just
say something, man, I wouldn'tsay it all, I would just tell
myself everything on thespiritual note.
I would just tell myselfeverything on the spiritual note
.
I would just tell myself Watchout, there is no friends out
there.
The most valuable is yourfamily.

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Lack of money is lack of laboraction.
I would tell myself more doing,less talking.
I would tell myself smoke moresativa than indica, because I

(01:41:01):
used to smoke lots of Indicaback in the day though, yeah, I
feel like you were much more ofit before the dispensaries and
all that shit.
Like you didn't really knowwhat you got, bro, so you should
smoke what you can get, youknow, for a good deal.
So there are just mainly,mainly Indica, bro, and trust me
, there was those times, bro,with ashley smoke indica and I

(01:41:22):
procrastinate a lot, bro, andthat's why I'm like, yeah, and I
should increase ativa, becauseI would have saved more money, I
would have made more money.
Yeah, I would stay more activeand I would hang out with the
right people.
So that's what I would tellmyself at 17.
I would tell wake up, open youreyes, love more.
You know, be more careful.

(01:41:43):
Yeah, do more, like I said, andit's just that.
Do more, do more.
The more you do, the more youhave.
Because I learned that you know,the lack of money is lack of
action, labor action.
That's a good one, you know me,that's a good one, that's an
important one, that's the mainone.
Because then you said, you know, you, gucci, and I would tell

(01:42:03):
myself, like I keep tellingmyself always have good heart
with everybody, even if theyfuck you over.
You know what I mean not withthe same person, but keep being
good, keep being good, keepbeing good with your other.
Yeah, don't not be good, yeah,anymore, because, yeah, don't
change your heart for one person.
Yeah, you know, never, that's.
You know, I keep telling myselfthat, still to that day.

(01:42:26):
Now, tell myself when I'm young,if you know, I'm very, I'm very
, when I was young.
I like to be more.
I want to find the right word.
I just like, I like to like,help my, my uncles, my grandma.
You know, like I like, I liketo, yeah, or affect it.
Yeah, yeah, more affection,yeah, more affection.
I was a type of person and Ithink I lost that within times

(01:42:47):
and you know, I'll tell myselfthat don't cut that off, because
that's just a sign of goodheart.
Also, you know what I mean, andthat's just pretty much.
That's a good one Part of it,man, and another one we are a

(01:43:13):
living soul on this planet.
So that's it, you know.
Do something with it, right?
Yep, you're a living soul onthis planet, and the reason why
I say planet is because thatmeans you can go anywhere you
want.
It doesn't matter what you have, what you don't have, or what
you look like or you don't looklike, it doesn't matter.
If you consider yourself aspiritual, human, human being,

(01:43:35):
then then the planet is yoursand there should be no limit for
you.
Those are really good words,man, for reals, um, I didn't get
a chance to explain how ourthing came to be.
Oh, yeah, the introduction, yeah, um, you were recommended to me

(01:43:57):
from marcy and you're come tohelp me.
Basically, I've been trying toget this damn fence done for my
damn, for my horse, and uh,handyman, and uh, and we got it.
We're almost done with it andthat's all gravy and I
appreciate you coming today andexplaining.
You know all the sense, yeah,all the things you know, because

(01:44:21):
, because things happen, youknow like seeing things are
unexpected, shit happens.
Not everything is an excuse,but unless you communicate it
out, then then you never knowright.
And you were a man of your wordand you came back and you you
know, and now we're, now we'resetting up the rest of this
ranch.
So I appreciate you being a manof your word and sticking to

(01:44:43):
that.
Bro, I appreciate theopportunities and you know,
based off you know all I've beenthrough, I think that all
opportunities are always ablessing.
So always kind of be a manabout it and got to confront
every situation and that's it.
You know, be a man, confrontevery situation, and that's it.
You know, be a man, confrontthe situation, and there's,

(01:45:04):
there's there for me.
The way I see it is, if I evermessed up or make a mistake,
there's never a, that's it.
I can always fix it.
I can always make up, I canalways.
So you bet that's why I'm likehey, man, I'm, I'm here.
Can I do something better nowfor you?
Like I'm here but I'm notwalking away from you.

(01:45:25):
I'm not hiding, I'm not, youknow, like dodging people or,
you know, running away.
Nah, I don't do those things.
I'm more like, you know.
No, I appreciate everything he'sdone so far and I got you on

(01:45:45):
anything else.
You need any other, like youknow, even if it's just the
simplest thing, come look atyour horse or come look at your
dogs or something.
I got you.
Man for sure, bro, I got you,and not that far.
I'm gonna do the rest of thesequestions.
What goals you got going on now?
I got you and not that far.
I'm going to do the rest ofthese questions.

(01:46:06):
What goals do you got going onnow?
What does the future look likefor you right now?
My goals right now?
Short terms I got to save up alittle bit more money so I can
buy my tools again and buy moretools eventually and then kind
of have a little company going,either by myself or with someone
else.
That is a true car worker andyou know I see myself saving

(01:46:28):
money of those you know work orprojects or whatever, and being
able to buy land as well, havemy animals, have a stable roof
for my kid.
I have a two-year-old kid, nice,just a junior, and he is my
main goal, my main motivation,my main project.

(01:46:51):
Make sure he has the roof, thehouse, make sure that tomorrow
no one is going to kick him outor, you know, going to come in
and charge him rent or any ofthat.
Yeah, just want to get to thatsafe future for him.
Going to kick him out or, youknow, rather, come in and charge
him rent or any of that.
Yeah, just want to get to thatsafe future for him and for me.
Since I was young, I waspursued at all, but at this
point I'm, I'm comfortable if my, if my loved ones have what

(01:47:12):
they need.
I have what I need.
That's just simple as that.
So that's where my goal is is.
That's where my plans is.
Uh, long term, just, you know,being able to go to mexico and
vacation and have property there, come back here, be with my, my
grandma, and chill with her,and and that's my, my, I say,

(01:47:34):
long-term goal.
Yeah, and it's just human.
And if I could in some way helppeople out in many ways, yeah,
hell, yeah, I could always dothat.
Absolutely no, you're well onyour way, bro.
You got the recipe.
I feel like this is a good one.
Yeah, I'm glad you cooked thisone.

(01:47:54):
How can people recognize whenthey're being guided towards
something better?
Well, I can't generally answerthat for maybe everyone, but I
can answer that for myself and Iknow that I identify things
through the things I go through.

(01:48:16):
You see what I'm saying.
Like I was locked up yesterday,yesterday, like tomorrow for me
is everlasting freedom.
And if I lost somethingyesterday, then that means today
I'm gonna get double.
So when I negative things thatcome my way, situations that

(01:48:39):
come my way, it's a sign for methat good things are coming and
better things, and that's how Ican identify when real good
things are coming.
I like how you said, how youended up in that position where
you got the 10 bands and you'reable to save homeboy out of the

(01:49:01):
situation and then help him andhis wife get off.
Like that all came from thatblessing that you got right.
Like when you think about it.
It did, you know, and it didnot everybody would make that
same decision.
I feel like you know, I've seenpeople like if your life is in
their hands, you know they havethat decision.
You know what I mean, yeah, andbefore I even got to that money

(01:49:25):
and trust me, I have friendsthat you know lowball me or
mistreat me or treat medifferently, shit like that.
And once you got that money,you know what I mean.
They're like hey, you know,yeah, but now we're chilling.
Yeah, but now we're chilling.
What are your final thoughts oneverything on your journey that

(01:49:50):
you've been through?
Man, like you, went throughsome gnarly things at a young
age and things that weren't evenyour fault.
My buddy, tom, that Iinterviewed, he said he had a

(01:50:12):
lot of anger in him for beingsent to prison and being in the
judicial system and what theytook away from him his freedom,
his two kids that he left, andall this of a pen can be
someone's life doing to thisamount of time, or this amount
of time which you know.
So, uh, going through all that,being able to fight through the
things you fought through,being on your spiritual journey,

(01:50:34):
surviving a lot, and uh, andnow having a son that you get to
carry your legacy on, which is,I think, so important.
Um, yeah, out of, out of allthe things you know, carry your
legacy on, which is, I think soimportant.
Yeah, out of all the things youknow, what are things you want
to tell people?
You know you can shout peopleout, you can say your piece, you
know.
But you know I reallyappreciate you coming and doing

(01:50:57):
this, alejandro, and I learned alot just from being around you.
Uh, period, you know, not justthe interview.
So I feel like a lot of peoplewill take a lot out of this
story and kind of hear your painand your voice when you're
speaking about how the peopletreated you and and you know we
didn't even get into howdifficult it was with the
language barrier and and doingall those things you know and

(01:51:20):
and your accomplishments with,with the things you accomplish
with that, um, but, uh, you know, after going through all those
things, man, what do you have tosay?
What got you through it?
And, uh, and uh, yeah, where,what are those things right now?
Well, man, to be honest, thereis a lot to say about me.

(01:51:41):
Yeah, I mean, I've been guided,definitely, and I've been guided
by something I've seen andmaybe sometimes something I'm
not even feeling, because I'mpretty sure God or something
supernatural is more than just afeeling, it's more than just
seeing.
Yeah, and definitely was guideunconsciously.

(01:52:06):
That's how you say yeah, yeah,um, yeah, I was guided in.
Man, I want to say I was guided.
I was guided without, withoutcontrol, like I had no control
of my life.
I had no control based off lackof wisdom.
Man, I was just.
I was just way too ignorant inmany ways, even into the porn,
to the part where I didn't evenknow how to read or write, or

(01:52:29):
you know just that part.
You know, it was just.
It was a lot more difficult,but but I never really had
control of anything in my lifeor any situation that I was
under.
I was just kind of more like Iwas walked through or I was
placed there or you know likejust by just being in prison

(01:52:50):
themselves.
You know, I just think thatsometimes when I was in prison,
sitting in prison, I thought itwas a dream.
I was dreaming me being inprison.
Now that I'm out and now thatI'm free and all that, that I've
been free for a long ass time,no-transcript.

(01:53:32):
They break down your world andI understand your buddy man,
trust me man, he, he, he's a,he's not him anymore.
He.
He found himself out Like Ifound myself, because I didn't
know that I was who I am now.
Yeah, you feel me and and andand who I am.
It took the old me to be brokenby the government to find who I

(01:53:55):
am now.
And we were breaking by thewords.
But we were.
We were broken by the words.
We were framed.
We were taken away from ourlove, loved ones.
We were taken away from ourfreedoms.
We didn't know maybe you knowI'm saying like what kind of
other shoe you know brand comingup, or even the stupidest
things.
You know, maybe you you wouldhave caught a bird you know what

(01:54:16):
I mean and from your tree thatyou didn't do that because you
were locked up, because theytook you away, because, at the
end, men want to judge men whenmen is not worthy of judging men
, because we're all wicked,we're all imperfected.
So at the end of the day, bro,what I got of all my life
journey is we should be againstthose that govern and not

(01:54:41):
against government.
You feel me Like, I feel thatthe people in charge, that if we
can govern, every family, everyhouse can govern themselves.
Yeah, then we don't need nogovernment out there because we
don't need nobody else to judgeyou.
So I learned that I've beenthrough through maybe a movie

(01:55:03):
that merely half of it pop.
People won't even believe it,yeah, you know.
But but I learned that that I'mhere, that there's new
opportunities, that if you knockon the right house, on the
right door, that everythingchanges.

(01:55:24):
Bro, yeah, as much as there'swicked out there, there's still
a lot of good out there too.
And, like you said, it took allthat to be who we are.
Yeah, and it might sound bad, Ishouldn't really thank the fact
that I've been in prison, but Ido thank the fact that I've been

(01:55:48):
through what I've been through,because I'm more of a certain
man now.
True, I am a defined man now.
I don't go by what other peoplethink or say, or nah, man, you
know what I'm saying.
If I know this is bad is bad,bro, ain't nothing gonna change
my mind.
Yeah, you feel me right if Ithink this, this is this, this

(01:56:10):
is so.
I'm already settled as a man,as I have a criteria set.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
Yes, for sure, my criteria isset, based off my life
experiences through the fair,through the righteousness and
through the unfair, and throughthe fata and through the worst,
you know, and sometimes throughwhat I've been through, I wish I

(01:56:36):
could be more of a man, I wishI could have more, even
including physically, so I couldgo out there in the world and
help the people that really needhelp.
You see what I'm saying, butthat's just something that it
might not be, be real.
You know, maybe I'm just meantto be a husband and a and a
father and, you know, reallylive a regular life and be a

(01:56:57):
construction guy, and that'swhat I'm trying to do.
You know, I'm trying to startthere.
But if I could, later on inlife, apply everything that I've
been through to help people,yeah, or stop people from going
through what I, what I wentthrough, yeah, by giving them a
message by you know whatever,yeah, even if you know food,

(01:57:17):
whatever you know.
No, I feel you, bro, I built, Ikind of built this whole on, uh,
on on helping people.
You know, like I had to learnthat, like you got to help
yourself a little bit too.
You know I kind of got tunnelvision and and uh, but it's like
that's sometimes the sacrificewhen you really really want
something badly, you know, andand maybe that's not the best

(01:57:40):
approach, but you know, when yougot a deadline in your head and
you know things are stackedagainst you and you want
something so bad you know what Imean like I wanted to be here.
So bad, bro, like everything,um, but yeah, bro, once, once
this part is settled, like nowI'm helping people, you like,

(01:58:01):
you said, like you're just onyour mission right now getting
the home base, you know, setright.
So that way, with yourexperiences that you've, you've
had, you know to help others,you know.
So hopefully this reachespeople, I'm sure it will.
And, like I said, I just wish Ihad the resources just to have

(01:58:22):
people out, based on everythingthat I've been through, because
I'm pretty sure other people aregoing to relate.
Other people could relate inall or in parts.
You know what I'm saying.
And even in that, just thatpart, that little part, you know
I wish I could just see whatyou call me or call, you know,
the podcast and be like, hey,man, get in contact with this
guy, guy, you know, and dosomething about it, whatever,
whatever.
But right now, you know, I havea family.

(01:58:45):
It's a little.
I'm trying to stay under theradar because you know the
government wants to send yourfucking neck, as you know, you
can get him away, so it's just alot.
But I do wish I could have like,let's say, maybe like a like a
call center type that anybodycan call from anywhere in the
world or from anywhere here inthe US for any legal advice, you

(01:59:08):
feel me, any legal advice, yourchildren, your house, criminal
case, whatever you owe money tothe bank, whatever, bro, there
is a solution out there for you,and prison is not necessary and
the government doesn't alwaysneed to win right.
And that's how I wish I can,you know, I can bring resources

(01:59:30):
to the people into the communityto be like look man, let's
fight back.
Man, your freedom is worth morethan anything.
You could fucking pay thispodcast and the last two
podcasts.
You gotta listen to them, butthey're it's all not the same
story, because their story's alldifferent, but the injustice is
the same.
We're across the board, all indifferent places too, and how,

(01:59:53):
how much?
How I just I can't imagine, bro,like whatever, I had a, a crazy
life in a way, but but I neverput my.
I never ended up in a situationwhere I'm locked away from
everything and everyone for thatmany years.
That mean you know.
Yeah, so I, you know, props toyou, because a lot of people go

(02:00:13):
back to you, know, and, andthat's I mean especially for
like I mean when you're outthere offending and you're just
an offender just doing thingsback to back.
Yeah, I mean especially forlike I mean when you're out
there offending and you're justan offender just doing things
back to back.
Yeah, I mean I get it.
But even, yeah, bro, even yeah,like, for instance, people
shouldn't be going to prison for, like, stealing from Walmart
food.
Like, no, bro, like what couldpeople do with food?

(02:00:34):
Man, they were probably tryingto eat it or something.
You know shit like that itmakes sense.
Like I understand, dude cameover here and stole your car or
took your car or something.
Okay, yeah, get him in jail ordo whatever you need to do,
because what is he going to dowith the car?
Like ain't going to get himnothing, ain't going to do
nothing.
It's not going to get himnothing, so you're just doing it

(02:00:55):
for wickedness.
You're steals food.
What that should tell you.
Feed the motherfucker.
Give him some food.
He's just trying to eat, right?
You feel me so like there'sthings like that that I should
think.
I should think that that thegovernment or any public
officials should have anyauthority or capacity to even
try to lock you up for some shitlike that.
You are threatening with takingyour freedom for years and years

(02:01:18):
for over something that youknow freedom should deserve.
That I mean, come on, we'rehuman beings but we're not dogs,
you know we're.
We're better than that man,right, we're way better than
that.
And at the end of the day, weall pay for this.
We pay for the fucking you knowout of our taxes, we pay for
our food, for all youreverything.
Yeah, yeah, that's just crazy,but it is.
But, um, yeah, like I said,hopefully, maybe in the future,

(02:01:42):
um, maybe we can team up, maybewe can get a few of us that you
know have been got done wrong bythe government and stuff like
that.
We can just.
Not only just that, because it'snot against the government,
like I said, it's against thosethat govern, not the government,
those that govern.
And it's the fact that, if wecan also held by you know, these
young dudes, these young peopleout there, you know, trying to

(02:02:05):
get in games, trying to get intoall that man, just give them a
realistic message man, this is,it's not bro.
Like I'm not trying to offendyou by saying, bro, you're just
a dumbass, but in reality youare bro, because that's how
they're going to treat you inprison, that's going to treat
you the way you both, that's howthey treat you when you get
shot and killed.
Like nobody's gonna rememberyou, nobody cares, you're dead,
but you're not even worth itanymore for believing people.

(02:02:27):
Like, come on, let's berealistic, man, you see what I'm
saying.
Like me dead, I'm worth nothing.
Like no one is gonna like, yeah, that poor ass dude, fuck, that
way, she was around, that's it,bro.
So none of this violent stuffor anything that can get you in
person is worth doing.
You know it's none.
So if you could just help alsobring out the message to stop,
you know, these divisions amongeach other, and, man, we can

(02:02:50):
even conquer more stuff.
You know, definitely, I know,at the very least, get done
Whatever information and stuffwe can give people.
I'll put it up, you know, sothat way at least people can
inform themselves, becauseknowing the law at the bare
minimum helps a lot.
And another thing I've been twoyears bro, looking for a lawyer

(02:03:10):
bro that can take my case Really.
For two years bro, I've beenmaking calls in-state,
out-of-state.
I just you know everybody's alllike yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'll stay.
I just you know, andeverybody's all like yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
But when I break it down tothem and I tell them everything,
they're like damn, bro, you gota strong ass case.
We got to go back, back, backand take a bunch of documents

(02:03:33):
and then confront a bunch ofofficials and judges.
You know Like, bro, damn Likewe could do it it.
But do we want enemies likethat?
So that's so.
Even even if it's just onelawyer bro or two lawyers out
there, they could just really.
You know I'm saying like yeah,because that's who you're going.
Again, you know what I meanthey're like.

(02:03:55):
But there is one, there is two,there is out there.
I know they are there becauseI've seen in already heart of
people winning cases and already, you know, fighting cases
against the county and the stateas well.
You know what I mean, becauseif the county don't want to be
responsible, we'll sue the statetoo.
And I'm telling you, they getspooked because I tell them
straight up, bro, because I knowhow to sue the state.

(02:04:17):
I know how to sue them.
I know exactly what to do, bro,so you don't need to tell me
what you're going to do.
I'm going to tell you what youneed to do.
But once you know what I'm goingto tell you you know this they
get spooked.
They're like, damn bro, likeyou really know your shit.
You know, I don't know if Ishould, you know, put myself in
a spotlight like that becauseyou got a big ass case.
That's what it is.
And I'm like like, well, I needsomeone with the influence to

(02:04:39):
go in there, talk to the rightjudge, talk to the right people
and say, hey, do we handle thiscase under the table or do we
handle this?
Take this case on top of thetable.
Now, if we do it under thetable, we could just, you know,
have him win, give him whateveryou know I'm saying, and have
not the international news knowabout this, or he can make a big

(02:04:59):
scene about it, hire his lawyeror do whatever, whatever, and
then have all the news,international news and shit in
this case will be all over thenews.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, so, but you know, that'sjust a lot.
That's a lot.
That's a lot, but also a lot ofinformation, years of
litigation, I'm sure, and andtwo, one cop already got fired
and one judge already got suedon el paso county.

(02:05:23):
Same year I was incarcerated formy, for my tases.
I'm telling you, I already didmy research, bro.
I did my research, bro.
Even the staff and the policethat got arrested me in a, some
one of them got fired, and onestaff that was there when I was
a juvenile he, he got chargedfor being a sex offender.
Bro, in juvenile he tried torape someone.
And juvenile, so automatically,all kinds of stuff, bro.

(02:05:43):
I'm telling you, bro, I got abunch of things on the table bro
.
We can hit these guys in somany ways.
Bro, we'll have these dudesMillions of money bro, yeah, and
I don't even want the money bro.
Just justice, son, just justice, justice on just justice.
Bro, I don't even want themoney, bro, you could just give

(02:06:04):
me one, I'll be good.
You want, bro, I'll put, I'lldouble up.
Well, there's a lawyer out therealejandro's got a case that you
know I mean, and notnecessarily for new, like
because I kind of gave up.
Yeah, I wait, I'm searching forthat one lawyer in a way.
Yeah, but if it's someone outthere, for someone out there,
yeah, that'll be cool.
You know, I mean, someone maybe going through the situation

(02:06:25):
that I went through already tobring lighters to us, a very
important topic.
You know for sure, like forother people, for your, for your
other listeners, for your other, you know for everybody, for
the new listeners are going tolesson, for everybody out there
that needs a little help outthere.
It changes a lot, man.
It makes a lot of difference,man, that's true, it makes a lot

(02:06:47):
of difference.
Thanks for helping me.
Let's keep Maui Forest safe andnot running away.
Appreciate it.
Whatever other projects we got,we can get it going For sure.
Thank you, I appreciate it, bro.
Thank you for the invitation,brother.
All right, everybody.

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