Gremlins | with guest Amanda Fuller (Last Man Standing, Orange is the New Black, Starry Eyes) - Happy Hour Flix | HHF

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's an 80's movie, obsessed with getting a
character wet.
Ah, get your mind out of it,gutter, and your hand up a
puppet.
It's Gremlins.
Let's go on a steam movie.

(00:21):
Ah, the year is 1984, we've gota nightmare on Elm Street.
Chud children of the corn firestarter, temple of doom, muppets
, take Manhattan.
Today is June 8th, the releasedate for two of my favorite

(00:43):
movies Ghostbusters and today'sspecial episode, gremlins.
And today I am here, as always,with my co-host, stephen Peer.
Hey, what is up?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Matt Mundy Gremlins.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, so excited.
Of course, this is one of youguys, this is one of mine.
This is a total me movie andI'm so excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Alright, I have a confession here I've never seen
Gremlins before.
Last night I thought I'd seenthis movie 10 minutes in.
I was like I don't think I'vefucking seen this movie.
Got 20 minutes in, definitelynot fucking seen this movie.
So, and here's what I have tosay, here's what I have to say,
chris Columbus.
I saw that name come up in thetitle, right at the top, and I
was like, ooh, this is gonna beawesome.

(01:26):
I love Chris Columbus.
What was Chris Columbus doingwhen he made this movie?
And this movie is great.
I want to say this movie is fun.
It is a whole lot.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
But a big question here is thisconsidered a good movie?
Because I'm really on the fenceabout that.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, and that is why we brought in our friend and
special guest and resident gizmodefender, amanda Fuller.
Amanda welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thank you so much for being here.
Of course.
I have to say it was so hardnot to do a spit take during
that intro I almost spit out myentire fancy special drink.
I don't know if it was the wetor the end of the puppet, not
sure, but that got me going.
It got me going good, good.
Thanks for that.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, you're very welcome and, with that in mind,
I think you mentioned thespecialty cocktail.
Yes, our friends over atMisguided Spirits.
Thank you for that setup,amanda.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
You're welcome, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
They have indeed set up a cocktail force for this
film, and it was designed by ourfriend Chadwick Sutton and
Amanda.
He definitely designed thisespecially for you, knowing you
are a bourbon whiskey fan.
A gizmo sour.
How to feel it.
Yes.
So we take the MisguidedSpirits.
They're whiskey with a littlebit of lime juice, simple syrup

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or in this case, maple syrup,and then you shake and strain,
or you can pour dirty over rocksand then garnish with a little
bit of bitters, and we'll haveall of that for you in the show
notes.
So, of course, please head overto the show notes and get that
recipe pour yourself one andhang out with us now.
So who's ready for Christmas?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, this movie does any.
Okay, is this a good movie?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
All right, Amanda, this is for you.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, I'm with you, Steve.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I thought that was going to be a hot take.
I thought Matt Mundy was goingto come through and like, like,
skin me alive for saying that.
I am measured.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I have not seen it since I was three and that's
because this was the first movieI saw in a drive-in movie
theater.
I have three older brothers.
I think they were intentionallytrying to torture me and I was
three years old.
It's one of my only childhoodmemories of being in the back of
our Toyota red mini van, likehuddled under a blanket, just
shitting myself with my brother,like forcing me to look like,

(03:48):
peeling the blanket off of meand forcing me to look.
Into this day I'm terrified ofanything that looks like a
gremlin, except for the factthat I realized last night while
rewatching it that I think oneof my dogs looks like a gremlin.
Even if I look at my wife, ittotally looks like the evil
version of the gremlin and Yodaand all the other things that
now I know as watching thisadult.

(04:08):
Like, oh no, I actually love alot of gremlin looking things
Very strange, and I was like Idon't know what to do with the
time, like, even when I lookedup the imagery before we're
watching it, last night I got togive it to you and I was like,
no, I can't do this, I'm notgoing to do it, I'm not going to
rewatch it.
There's no way I'm going to beable to do it and then come to
find out not scary at all themovie is.
It's not scary, it is comicalfilm.

(04:30):
I think there's nothing scary.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Matt pitched this to me as a horror movie and I was
like oh yeah, definitely I know,this is a horror movie.
I was watching this likenothing is scary in this movie.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Nothing is scary.
They're just doing pranks thewhole time.
They're just having a gay oldtime.
The most scary part is themiddle of this movie.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Mom is a force to be reckoned with.
She is straight fucking upgremlins Like I mean left and
right they're like I mean theyare having a huge issue with
gremlins.
Just release Mom on the town.
This woman will just tear themapart.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I took a note homage to Housewives, because it's like
that scene in the kitchen wherethey're using the blender.
I'm just like all we need to doif we ever really are in an
apocalypse, is send out thehouse.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Billy Boy calls him, and we send him a chat.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
The slap chop will take him down anytime.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yes, I mean, they did wonders with that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Billy Boy was so worried about Mom that he called
home and she answered the phonein the attic.
By the way, I just want to saywho has a phone in the fucking
attic?
She answers the phone and he'slike be careful, they've hatched
.
And then now she goes downstround and just straight
demolishes gremlins Like justthey didn't stand a chance.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, it was impressive and also comical,
because they're not really doinganything to hurt anybody.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
They look like they have a really bright future in
construction because they werewheeling with surgical precision
that Bobcat or whatever thatstrict construction vehicle was.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, all the different layers of
undertones of story, thatcharacter, that guy, what was
his name?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Oh, he comes out hot.
I counted like three.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I got a one or two in the beginning I'm like what I
feel like if I were to rewatchit with like a historical expert
, right, like somebody who knowswhat they're talking about,
they would be able to take allthe references and give them so
much context, and instead I'mjust like clocking them and
going what the fuck does thatmean?
Like what are they trying tosay with that, like every two

(06:35):
minutes there's another one.
I'm like what is happening?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, that's.
That's Dick Miller you'retalking about.
Who plays Mr Futterman?
And so yeah, dick Miller andJoe Dante, the director, they
did like, I think, nine or 10movies together.
And he, but yeah, and it'scrazy because, to your point, he
plays the character that talksabout and uses for the first

(06:59):
time the word gremlin, and andhe's also a World War two vet,
and World War two is when theterm gremlin became.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, and we have to talk about this because is
gremlins?
Is this movie and thesecharacters?
Are they a reference to thatband Looney Tunes cartoon from
World War two where gremlins arelike flying, like they take
down a Nazi plane?
I believe.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, it's a rabbit hair, something hair.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah something.
It's a band Looney Tunescommercial that I'd seen years
ago and it's scary as shit.
Scarier than this movie, forsure.
But, they, they, they're.
Like is this a movie Monday?
You would know.
Like is this movie an homage tothat?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, but there is a lot going on there, this that
I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Are we sure?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Are you certain.
Well, because one of thereferences that Joe Dante had
was a was the book by Raul Dahlwhich was called gremlins.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh, no way.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Now also there is a.
There is in the, the movie.
You know when, when gremlin,when gremlin, when gizmo is
watching the movie and he's likepretending like he's driving a
car and he's like yeah, yeahyeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's like super cute.
That was originally.

(08:24):
What he was watching wasoriginally a Looney Tunes.
You know it was a Bugs Bunnyand if you look carefully in and
you can see it in the probablythe versions that we watched
recently, when they do the widebecause it's in a different
aspect ratio, you can see the TVthat gizmo is watching and it's

(08:45):
not the white movie anymore,it's not the cable film, it's
actually the Looney Tunes movie.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
They had noticed that .

Speaker 2 (08:51):
No way, I totally missed that.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I realized, like a little bit in that, like there
was so much television watchingand there was so much focus
being put on the TVs and I'mlike, okay, every single thing
that is displayed on atelevision in the past to have a
deeper meaning.
This isn't just random shitthat they're putting on here.
And so I started to like payattention and I remember seeing
that being like Looney Tunes.
What is the?

(09:15):
So when I said earlier that ifI just sit down with a history
buff and maybe there would be alot of insight that I could
gather, I, what I meant was if Ijust sat down and rewatched it
with Matt Matt Mundy, I forgotwho I was speaking to for a
moment.
Obviously, you know all of thethings and I'm so excited to be

(09:35):
talking with you about itbecause I don't have to watch it
.
You can just keep telling usall these amazing insights and
facts, but you know so cool.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Keep going, I want to go with the next one.
It is just fun because, like Ithink back to the fact that,
well they, it's a WarnerBrothers movie.
They had the rights to thatcartoon but, they didn't.
But the Clark Gable movie isnot.
I think that's not a, I thinkit's Columbia at the time.
So they had to buy their rightsto that and I'm like to what

(10:04):
end, and like it's, I don't knowlike certain decisions that
they make.
You're just like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Okay, can we rewind back to the beginning of this
movie?
Because I've got a lot ofthoughts, guys, I've got some,
I've got some tapes on thisFalling hair.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's the name of the, that's the name of the
cartoon that they were watchingFalling hair.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay, it is a cool cartoon.
I will say I think you'd haveto find out on the internet
somewhere.
Okay, so we have like a musicmontage.
I don't even want to get intothe cold open, we're going to
get into the dad later.
This is I mean.
We just can't start there.
They go into like his musicmontage, like a Fra La La sort
of like walking down the street.
Is this the theater and streetfrom back to the future?

(10:44):
Because I am convinced it is.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
It really looks like it.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
And there's a good reason why this was shot on
Columbia and Warner BrothersBacklots and and another
backlock, that Columbia backlock, which became one of Warner's,
but that that exact set that isthe same one that later that
year was back to the future.
It's also where they shot likeTarantula and a couple others.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
But right because of others, because he goes when,
when, when, when Michael J Foxdrives down the thing and they
hit 88 miles an hour and itcomes down and we're, and then
we now flames, and then we goback and it crashes into a
building that is a movie theater, and that is still the movie
theater right in the background.
I'm remembering that wholesequence correctly.
I was like immediately clockedit.
I was like that is from back tothe future.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, amanda, were you clocking that too?
Did it look very familiar whenyou were yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I totally.
I don't know if I lost, I thinkI did, subconsciously.
Yeah, here's a fun fact aboutme I, unlike my husband, who is
an expert in remembering films,and many of my friends and most
filmmakers I know, so basicallyeverybody I know in my life but
me, I don't have a very goodmemory when it comes to movies

(11:57):
and I can't really likereference anything ever.
Movies will have like an impacton me, like in my soul, and I
know what they like made me feelin my connection to them.
But if you like were to ask meto quote a line or remember a
scene, even I would be like oh,I don't know.
So, that being said, I did stillhave a feeling.

(12:20):
I was like, and I do think Ilike imagined back to the
feature in my mind.
So I'm pretty sure I can jumpon it and say, yes, I crossed it
, but I didn't say those wordsout loud.
So but yeah, but also with allof the sets, like I feel like
the whole time I was very muchaware of how familiar all of the
sets looked and how alsoblessed this time of filmmaking,

(12:42):
the no judgment whatsoever buthow clearly they were built,
sets Like none of the mostsetting like set face film I've
ever seen in my entire life.
It was so much like a facade.
It was so clear that they werelike facades and empty but like
and of course, being someonewho's been in the industry my
whole life, like I know thatlooked very well because I've

(13:03):
been on set my whole life.
So I don't know if the averagenon-industry involved human
would be able to see that, but Ifeel like in this movie it
would be very clear that likethey weren't real buildings,
they were using, like this moviefor sure was fucking sponsored
by Ace Hardware, like you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Like there there is like somebody going in there and
be like we've got lumber.
Look, it's right there behindthat wall.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I can like see the like plywood and the nails
coming out of, like the metalframed doors you know what I
mean.
So, which I kind of enjoyedbecause it did make me feel
nostalgic for that time periodof filmmaking, but also, oh my
gosh, it's very just sounrealistic and comical.
But yeah, I do.
I think I definitely felt someback to the future vibes in that

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scene.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
And there's a good reason why you felt that and you
and that you were both goingwell, why it's so obvious.
It's a it's a back lots here,right, yo Dante?
I thought this was, I mean tome this was one thing I thought
was a really great direction forit.
He thought well, because thegremlins were so weird-looking

(14:09):
and they didn't look like reallife he thought that having the
whole look be a little bit morestylized too.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
It was intentional sure.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
They would seem more real in an unreal world, yeah
that's a good point.
And I thought that was, and so,like he, I listened to a
commentary where he said that,because they didn't want to hide
the fact that they were backlots that he wanted it to be
it's a wonderful life meets thebirds Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Sure, there we go.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, sure, 100%, I get that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's correct I feel like we're getting points in
the direction of guess this is agood film, then yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean-.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Because if all of these choices were intentional
oh, and I want to be clear-.
I want to be clear I enjoyedthe shit out of this movie.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I had a blast watching it.
I'm just not saying I'm goingto start voting for it, for,
like you know what I mean on theAFI's 100.
I'm just.
You know, this movie is awesome, it's a lot of fun, it is just.
It's also the right mixture ofbatshit, crazy and quality-.
And just logical and qualityexperience in filmmaking so that
you can you know you can relaxand enjoy some shit to laugh at,

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but at the same time it'sentertaining, like it's
entertaining.
It doesn't take me out, it'sjust fun.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I love it 100%.
I love rewatching and.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Mrs Deagle.
She's the villain right.
They set her up in thebeginning.
She comes to the bank.
Also, this kid's taking his dogto the bank.
There's lots of things going onin this community, but she
Hiding under the cubby yeah,hiding under the cubby, mrs
Deagle, and then she wants hisdog because he, like, did
something sort of-.
I mean, the beginning of JohnWick 4 was less intense than or
John Wick was less intense thanthis Like she just wanted to

(15:48):
like kidnap and take his dog-.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
And torture the dog?
Yes, oh, then putting him downat the pound would be a much
easier fate for your dog Like.
What are you threatening to do?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
It made it super hard for me to be angry at the
Gremlins whenever she got rocketlaunched out of her own house
later, Like just because.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I was-.
Oh no, that was a celebrationfor sure.
Yeah, exactly, they should haveset off fireworks.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
That was a wicked witch of the west like kind of
they used wicked witch of thewest music I wrote down right
here it's like Mrs Deagle is thewicked witch of the west music,
like they are 100% that woman.
They took that from the wickedwitch of the west.
They had to have.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, that's pretty-, can we?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
talk about the staircase, speaking of like when
they throw her up the staircaseit doesn't end the staircase.
That is the tallest house I'veever yeah, I've never heard of
in my life, like it just keptgoing and going and going,
Whereas you cut to the outside,shot when she flies out of it.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
If that staircase was real, what you see on the
inside, she'll be flying out ofthe 14th floor of that building.
And then you cut to the outsideand it's like home alone.
It's like you know it's just agood old colonial and like
Totally, and she just goes rightout the front.
Oh, so good.
I will say the scariest part ofthe movie and probably the most
graphic part of the movie, iswhen they let her land on the
ground and you see the legs ofwhat I assumed is the dummy

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right you know, hanging over thechair.
But they launch her out of thehouse and then they leave it.
They just leave it too long,like you're just sitting there
watching.
It's like Jesus Christ, thoseare legs.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I miss that.
That must have been a momentwhere my son was coming in and I
was trying to pretend like itwasn't a scary movie that I
wasn't experiencing.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
But he called enough of it that he wants a gizmo
stuffed animal Puppet.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, I think I like a gizmo puppet.
Oh, okay, starling.
Yeah, no, he was like enamoredby the fact that it was scary
and I think was like challengingwhat he would.
Yeah, oh man, I really hope Ididn't star him.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
No man, I mean gizmo is adorable, it's all about the
and it's all about the intention.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
What you described is very.
That's the intention tofrighten you.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
You were showing a, you know yes right, as opposed
to me, where I was like honey,it's a scary movie.
Are you sure you want to?
Okay, I'll unpause it.
Oh, this part gets scarier.
They're just it's all pretend,like I'm giving him full context
, but he's not.
But still, I don't know, younever know.
He did say before nap thismorning or this afternoon he
said no Gremlins in here, and Isaid no, no, no, there are, but

(18:19):
they don't exist, they're notreal, they're pretend.
Oh shit, I'm like I'm insidegoing fuck what?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, when movie watching fucks up nap time and
you're like what have I done?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
What have I done?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
What have I done?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
We'll see time will tell Okay back to now.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
We gotta get into the cold open here, because they go
in.
This guy starts with avoiceover, never come back to it
, Not even a central character.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
He's dead to the end.
He's dead.
To the end.
You do it, gremlins, wonderingyour end.
I don't like to throw anyactors under the bus ever, so I
shouldn't even say that becauseI'm about to, but that just
feels wrong.
But I have to be honest andwe're dissecting the film.
Was he the most lifeless?
Was that the most lifelessperformance you've ever seen on

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stream?
And like, especially with ajustice position of how campy
and out there the film is like?
He's just like.
Why is he an?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
inventor.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Why is he?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
an inventor.
What does that?
What possible bearing does thathave in?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
You guys, there's an inventor convention on Christmas
Eve.
What?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I know we're jumping ahead.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's great.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I just think, popping in my head, I can't.
I remember being like what?
Oh, he can't make it homebecause of the inventor
convention.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I mean, aside from it being a shitty inventor.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
We'd have it on a different night.
That's what they should do.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Right, if he's going to be an inventor, any other 365
.
Yeah, if he's going to be aninventor, he has to be a shitty
inventor, like that's obviousand that's fun.
And his inventions are actuallyfun.
The fly swatter with the drill,like the smokeless ash tray,
which is just an ash tray with alittle sliding door, I mean
that stuff's great.
Like I was all in on that thebathroom buddy or whatever that

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you kept.
When he first said it I wasreally scared Because he said it
in the cold open and I was likewhere are we going?
It's like what are we doinghere?
Because I don't know what thefuck this is going to be.
And then it ended up being verycharming.
But OK, you can do a lot ofdifferent directions, oh yeah,
the name itself does not lenditself to what they ended up
with.
Anyway, I just want to say hewas so comes in looking for a.

(20:24):
I'm trying to sell some giftsand find a gift for my child.
Now, I'm not a professionalscreenwriter but seems to me if
you have two things, you knowwhat I mean.
It's like whenever you gotcaught in high school and you
know you come in home late andlike you're running in the door

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and your mom catches you andyou're like, oh shit, oh mom, I
was trying to make it home but Ihad ran out of gas and a
squirrel got ran over across thestreet and had to go save it
and then take it to the vetoffice.
Like it's just like one, two,many things.
Like just do one thing.
I'm here looking for a gift formy kid.
Boom, we're done, that's it.
Awesome, I'm an inventor.

(21:06):
I'm here to sell some shit.
Oh, what is this amazing thing?
I might want to buy it.
Either one works.
Is that store of all places?
Yeah, of course.
I mean obviously.
And then the kid Lisa.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
there's lots of little funny things in here, but
we have to get into the heartof the matter here, because this
is more really Well, let mejust say, hold that thought,
because I do know that this openreminds me of Lord of the Rings
, and the reason I say that isyeah, whoa.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I give you some quick blast.
What, what?
Ok, let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I don't even know how to respond to that.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I got to say Was it the enormous dragon fireworks?
I mean what happened.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm telling yourself.
Yes, I shall explain myself, andit's not with the terrible joke
of the dragon breath that heused, but it is the fact that
when they got to the beginningof Fellowship and they realized
that they didn't have an opening, that whole voiceover and

(22:04):
everything was a very lateaddition to bring in the one
ring to rule them all section.
And it was because what theyhad wasn't working.
And, to your point, steve, whatthey did was they did one thing
, and that was they said thatone part of the entire
inscription and they did it well.

(22:24):
Well, joe, dante, with Joe,because you know we're buds and
they had another they hadanother opening and there was no
voiceover.
That's why you don't.
It doesn't really make anysense at the beginning or the
end.
And it was he's shopping lastminute for his son because he
doesn't have anything and hejust didn't like it, didn't like
it, didn't like it.
So they went to I think this isUniversal's back lot in that

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scene and they were like, ohwell, this guy, this is Hoyt
Axton, he's a songwriter andhe's got a great voice, we'll
just have him talk.
And then, to your point, amanda, it's like, it's like they
shoved the words in front of himand he's like there was a time
when things happened.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So that performer was a musician.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, so he was in.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, there's your explanation.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean that is he.
Did he go on to do any otheracting?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh yeah, I mean he's myself, he's in the.
He's in the big chill.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Oh, he's like a known actor and I'm totally, I'm
totally, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I'm sorry he's not, he's not in the big chill.
He wrote for the big chill.
But sorry, that was not yourquestion.
You mean as an actor.
Sorry, yeah, yeah.
He did have some acting creditsand they were like, like, like I
think he was in Bonanza, but hewas basically playing, but I'm
not shitting on like a cultlegend or something Like no, I
mean no, unless we don't likehis music, like he, if you

(23:41):
remember, Joy to the World from.
Forest Gump, that, that versionof Joy to the World, or Joy to
the World from the big chill.
His mother co-wrote songs withElvis.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
So he's a musician, though, but that's the thing is
like he's a musician and theyjust like the sound of his voice
.
Like I could get that.
I mean his, his voice is veryinteresting.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's got a very warm tone.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
It's very technically interesting.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
But the reason I was just to kind of bring it home
and then go go back to whatyou're saying is they.
They immediately had to make achange at the end.
But then, whereas one of themworked really well, the other
one just felt so ham-handed,ham-fisted, it was just like
what, and it did.
It sounded like a musician washanded some music.

(24:27):
Well, rather, some wordsinstead of music.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Without music.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, right, and said we've got two takes and you
only get one.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, you can't hate.
I mean and that makes me feel alot better about his
performance, because I mean youcan't ask somebody like that to
open a movie with voiceover.
I mean that's just that'sfucking hard.
That takes a takes, quite acraft this guy probably didn't
have, I heard.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I have more beef with the rest of his performance.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Just like every scene he's just, he's just, he's just
the most laugh-tazical.
Guys, I have this note, I'mjust gonna dig this.
I mean, I'm just gonna blow itup right here.
Hold on, I gotta dig it, Igotta find it.
But this is like this.
The men in this family, billyBoy and Dad, are fucking
dumbasses.
These guys are completelyuseless, like completely useless

(25:16):
humans.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
They're lifeless and like discrepancy between in
terms of performance in thismovie there's such a huge
discrepancy with nobody's doingthe same movie.
I feel like Like like they'reactors that are like, oh my God,
it's so scary, I got that firstname.
And then they're actors thatsee the grammar like oh, what's

(25:36):
that thing?
But we've never seen anycreature like this ever before.
And you're acting like you'reseeing a dog on the street, Like
I do not understand why youhave no reaction to this cute
little gizmo, as if it's likelike there's no reference
whatsoever to what is thiscreation of a living creature
that we've never seen before inour lives.
Like they just accept it aslike that happens every day,

(25:59):
like there's just dude, that ismy note literally here, that I'm
all over.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
The place I'm digging into is like who gives a
mysterious found in a Chinatownanimal.
First of all, you fall in lovewith something and then he then
takes it home to give to hischild.
So this is a first fall.
I'm into the cold open rightand I'm watching this for the
first time and this guy's inthere and he's like yeah, all
right, I have to find a gift formy child.
Oh, this is the perfect gift.
And I'm like already that's alittle weird because nobody

(26:25):
knows what this animal is andlike whatever.
So he's like but my kid, he'lllove this.
And I don't know, I'm late andI don't have a gift for him.
He's like I'm picturing like aneight year old.
Right, you know something, youhave to get a new puppy.
And then he walks home and hegives it to.
How the fuck old is this kid?
He's gotta be the lead actorsmovie has to be at least 22

(26:45):
years old.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
And he's like he's 21 or 22.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And he's like thanks, Papa, Like what the fuck is
happening.
And then halfway through thismovie, his best friend is like a
12 year old.
What is happening?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
But also the only and , to this point, like the only,
I feel like the kid Billy.
Is that his name Billy?
I don't believe that.
I think it's.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Billy, yeah, billy.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Billy and the girl, his love interest.
I feel like they're the onlyteenage, like there's no in the
town.
I feel like there's no.
I don't know why I feel thisway.
I don't know if this isactually true, but there was
like no other aged kids anywhereand there's not even any other
teenagers or anything Like.
I feel like there's only two,three, including Corey Feldman's

(27:27):
character, like kids in thisentire town and it's strange
that the girl and the guy arethe same exact age but there's
no reference to any other kids.
And then Corey Feldman, whopops in there and yes, and he's
the best friend.
He's my favorite my favoriteface acting with an animal I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I wrote this line down.
The dad said in the cold open Ihave to get this for my son.
I was pictured an eight yearold.
This character has fuckingcredit card debt.
I mean, you know what I mean.
Like you don't have to get thisfor your son Also.
He has a dog, they also.
He already has a fucking dog.
He has a pet.
He has a pet.
Why do we need?
This weird as new pet.
That was so disrespectful.

(28:07):
Yeah the poor dog.
Justice for the dog.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
So well, by the way, he didn't even bark at this
thing.
He's giving it kisses, all thatpooch.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh man.
And then they say hang him inlife.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
They hang him in Christmas.
Oh, I almost exploded.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I have a big animal cruelty thing, so that was, and
we see that dog was mushrooms,by the way, was his name and was
great name Mushrooms.
Stop.
Totally.
Thought that Gizmo was real andlooked after him and would lick
him and was very In real life.
Yes, like every time, causethere were a bunch of different

(28:43):
sizes, oh my gosh, I'm gonna cry.
Gizmo was of a certain sizebecause, like originally, gizmo
becomes Stripe and so so Gizmowas.
Stripe so they.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Better choice what they ended up doing.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I don't know.
I liked it.
I don't know.
I liked that.
He was good the whole time.
I have to.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's the trick.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, I like that.
Oh, good point that they keptit.
I thought you meant, I thoughtyou meant the other one.
No, no, no, no, the way itended up, this is a better
choice.
That Gizmo is always a good guy.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah yeah, I think so and so like yeah, I think.
And that's.
That was Steven, by the way, orit's Spielberg who said I want
you know, we need to.
This guy's cute Like I want tofollow him, but of course.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Can we talk about it as a Spielberg film?
I'm sorry I know I keepinterrupting, but when I saw
Spielberg at the top of it I waslike what?
It's a Spielberg film.
I'm not nervous, but I thinkthat he wasn't the director,
even though I do love ChrisWanda so much.
Anyway, back to your point.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Sorry, no, it's fine, I'll circle back and tell you
more about, like, how he got ittoo, but like he, please.
So it was originally supposedto be.
You know, gizmo becomes Stripe.
So Chris Wallace, who is thedesigner he had, he just worked
on the howling, or no, sorry,what was it?
Anyway, because it was JoeDante that had worked on the
howling, but this is the sameguy that later went on to do the

(30:02):
fly and some other like amazingstuff.
So he's the straight updesigner of Gizmo and was not
meant to walk around or run, sothat Gizmo and they did have
like two feet wide, like whenyou know all the close ups they
do of Gizmo, those are, thoseare separate puppets that they

(30:24):
built and his face is two feetwide.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Wow, yeah, so the puppet work, we have to say, is
fucking awesome, awesome.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
The best Incredible Love it so much.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Incredible.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I miss the days when that was all we had for special
effects and film.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Absolutely incredible .
I mean they do like to go downwith the sorry.
Keep going, matt.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes, that's OK.
All that is because I'mbringing this background to
mushrooms is he couldn't, so hisbody wasn't built to do much.
There weren't that manyversions of Gizmo in the small.
So he was to that Gizmo.
So Barney, would think, is hisname in the movie.
Barney knows him and is verycareful of him and there's that

(31:07):
moment where Stripe, before hebecomes the Gremlin Stripe,
throws up yeah, A very weirdbrown liquid.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It was not, not Barney, yes.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, and they had to do.
I don't know how many takesthey did, but they had to keep
Barney from protecting Gizmofrom getting hit with the vomit.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh my gosh, you're killing me.
This is killing me.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I can't and then I will say one of the producers to
your point, amanda.
One of the producers was veryquick.
I think it's Mike oh gosh.
He's also worked with Joe Danteforever, but he's the one, one
of the producers that brought onwith Steven Spielberg and
Kathleen Kennedy at the time.
He was very quick to point outthat the harness that he's in

(31:50):
was very safe and he was likeeverybody, like mushrooms, was
very happy he's.
You know it's not, you know itwas.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
When they hang them from the Christmas lights.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And I thought he was protected.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But I immediately thought how much of this are you
saying, like the Lady Duthprotests too much?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, sure, oh no, it's like definitely 1980s movie
, Like they're totally fuckingfine and we've got like a rope
on them.
What are they going to do?
I mean, he's fine.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Exactly.
But anyway, all that to say.
Like she or no, I think Barneywas a boy.
Barney thought they was real.
So did Phoebe Cates.
Phoebe Cates was apparentlyvery not didn't think they were
real, but apparently it was veryterrified of the Gremlins on
set.
Like while on set, just did notwant to be around them.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
OK guys, Really I have notes here from my watch
last night.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm just saying as we got to this part of this movie
where we're talking about likewhere they get they first for
the first time, really get thegizmo wet right.
These are my notes.
I just realized that I saw.
This is like this thing breezesin water.
Exclamation point His friendsdo not look friendly and then,
oh boy, this is not going to gowell.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And there's the whole synopsis, there's the log line.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, really that could be the log.
I have a theory about thismovie and tell me what you guys
think about this.
I think that this might be thesequel to Little Shop of Horrors
, Because at the end of LittleShop of Horrors they have a guy
that comes in and he wants tobuy this mysterious plant that's
breeding and going everywhereand put it in every home in

(33:23):
America and that's what the dadis saying.
He's like every home in Americaneeds one of these gremlins.
And now the gremlins are likebreeding, like crazy and like
going out and they're trying todestroy the world.
I think that's the genesis forthis idea.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
OK, so not the sequel , but the genesis of the idea.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, I think it's a loose sequel.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Because it's not a plant.
The gremlin is definitely not aplant.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
What if an alien being came down here that had
ultimate goals to destroy ourplanet and humanity, and it bred
exponentially and got movedinto every home in America?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's my kind of pitch Totally.
And what if everybody that metthe thing just went oh yeah and
accepted it?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
And they're all along .

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
And so it starts making Franks all over the town,
which is life or death?
Yeah, no, I could see that forsure.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, that makes sense, because I mean, at that
point the only one that was outwas the one with Jack from the
1960s, and so that little shopof horrors was then.
1986, was the musical, so thatwas two years after this.
But the movie itself, without amusical, did exist with Jack

(34:30):
Nicholson.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
And that was yeah, you're right, and that was the
one where they all pop out ofthe pedals and stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Uh-huh and it's soup.
Yeah, exactly, so there couldbe.
I know Christopher Columbus, itwas his second.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
You're on the something.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
He was still an NYU film student at the time and
from what I read that he hadhurt, I think in his I don't
know if it was his apartment orhis room, whatever they at night
would hear the mice in the wallwelcomed in New York and that
it was just the gremlins for him.
The idea was the idea that whenhe was at home he couldn't see

(35:06):
them, but then when he would beaway and then come home and the
lights were out, he'd hear themall scurry and that was kind of
like the Genesis.
But I think and like everybodyknows, it's like it's well known
now that that original scriptwas meant to be stupid, dark.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's all just a metaphor for living in New York
City.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, it's a very long metaphor With the suicide
at Christmas time.
Talk on Christmas Eve and wefind out how her dad, I mean,
can we talk all self?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
about all of this?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Oh, OK, let's oh yeah , can we go there Please?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Amanda, go, yes, go for it, go for it.
We got things to say about this.
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I mean out of all the times to bring up Converse.
I have to say it's one of theparts that I maybe liked the
most because I have a very darksoul.
So when I'm strolling in thispicturesque Christmas Eve moment
and she was just talking aboutthe suicide rates, I'm just like
, oh, this is a different movieI'm watching, but I'm into this
movie.
Maybe we should just go back tothat direction.
And then the monologue of whathappened to her father.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
That monologue that should be framed and put up in
the fucking Smithsonian.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Dude out of all the time to decide to reveal that
information.
And then it's like the darkestof the day, it just keeps going.
It's like, ok, we know thatwe're going to find out that
this dad died, that's bad enough.
Oh no, he died while pretendingto be going down the chimney
holding the present.
And then that's how I learnedthere was no Santa Claus, that

(36:41):
is fucking killer.
killer I mean there was no,there were no more layers to it,
but like that's as far as theycould have possibly gone, the
moment they admire them for it.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
The moment that monologue started, I was like,
oh, we're doing this.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Here we go yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Where it went, didn't sit coming, didn't sit coming,
they kept consistent.
They kept consistent Christmastheme Didn't sit coming, and
then they can't, and then thekids out of.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I don't, I'm sorry, the timing, the misplaced, all
the different movies that arebeing done, and then the fun to
be.
I have to take my hat off tothem.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
I have to say I have, I have, I have to tell me
because I do know I want youropinion on the kiss, because,
like I made a note, when ithappened I was like is there a
scene missing?

Speaker 3 (37:29):
because it's like she .

Speaker 1 (37:31):
it's like he leans in to kiss her before he goes into
battle and I'm like, well,she's already kind of kicked a
lot of ass in the bar and I do.
You got lucky with the onesword.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This is what I'm talking about.
How old are the characters inthis fucking movie?
Because he's a.
He's a sex character, likethey're in the relation.
They're a sexual interest.
He's a sex.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Sex.
Is he a sex worker?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I stand by my statement.
They're a sexual relation Likethey're sexually interested in
each other.
Right, like they're romantic.
Hey, how about that?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Here's another word.
It's my first day with English.
They put them like a millimeteraway from each other in the
bank in the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh, ok, it's a romantic, it's a romantic
interest.
Sorry, it's my first day withEnglish.
It's it's.
It's a romantic, it's aromantic relationship.
There is sexual interest betweenthese two characters, but in
the beginning of the movie inthe beginning of the movie, his
dad is buying him another pet tobring home his best friends.

(38:38):
A 13 year old and I'd even ifit was like cool, she runs a
candy shop or something.
No, she's a fucking bartender.
How are you like?
How old are these characters?
She's a bartender like throwingpeople out.
He is like working in a bank,but has a best friend as a 13
year old these characters arebatshit crazy ages.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
So so basically, the father waslike.
I don't want to teach my sonabout the birds and the bees, so
I'll give him an alien toovertake the earth.
That's.
That's basically what it is.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
If that's what this movie means to you, matt Monday,
I'm happy to go along.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, because he's like my son, is obviously of a
certain age.
He's going to be romantically.
Let me just see.
No, we're sexually interested.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Use the right words.
Use the right words.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Person and and instead of, like you know, it's
supporting that age, that youknow, the appropriate ageness of
my son, I'll bring him anotherpet as a way to say please don't
engage with another human.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
that's dangerous, because that means I'll have to
tell you about the birds and thebees and if I think that you're
, I think that you're giving waytoo much credit by trying to
put these things together.
This is not a puzzle thatbecomes complete at the end.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Dude, I don't, I don't think you can get any
credence out of the relationshipfrom dad.
This guy's a weird inventor anddown to he has no gauge on his
relationship.
Like down to like.
Again, another fucking crazyinvention.
They have the weird coffeething in like the kitchen and
this mother is a saint.
This woman should be on afucking stamp for like Mother's

(40:14):
Day because she's trying to makecoffee for herself after she's
like holding this weird manchild family together because
God knows how old her son is.
He either needs a nap or heneeds a fucking condom.
It's impossible to say.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I was going to say, yeah, she's actually trying to
make her coffee.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
This coffee won't fucking work.
And she doesn't.
Just she comes out smiling andbeing like oh, I love your
inventions, Any normal human onthe planet would be like go to
the fucking store, give me ablack and decker coffee maker.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
When the phone thing doesn't work and he and he
clearly on the other line sayssomething like why don't you use
in the walkie talkie that Iinvented?
Like he's like furious about itbecause she's like, oh no, it
just I was.
I was running in like her, herintention, and like desire to
keep him like at peace and atbay the whole time.
I really actually I think, ifwe're going to make metaphors
the New York City thing, therewe go.

(41:03):
But also maybe it's just aboutwhat Roxas mothers are like.
I want to take one thing I canbring home.
The one thing I can bring home.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Only tell me about the mom I want you to like, like
even if you can't think of anyother moms in other movies, or
if you have a hundred listed,like talk talk to us about her
as a mom in this movie, talk andwhat, like you know, like just
go.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I mean, she's the only, she's the only sane
character.
She's the only character thatactually makes me sense from the
beginning.
I mean outside of the fact thatit's, you know, dated to a
point where, like, we can reallygo into the fact that she's
just pleasing the house, likeit's, it's the stereotype of the
house, like the stay at homemom that we've been fighting

(41:50):
against our whole lives, but atthe same time, she's the only
one that can kick ass in the waythat she does.
She's the only one that, like,like, shows up when we need to
and has any sort of like logic.
I mean, she's the most solidcharacter of the whole thing and
yet she's.
So I feel like there had tohave been some sort of intention
from the screenwriters for thatLike that.
Had they had to have been awareof that, and then celebrating

(42:13):
moms and or something, because Idon't think that those are
coincidences.
I'm not going to be able toreference the whole bunch.
I'm completely with you.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I will say as a mother myself, like yeah, like
the moms are.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Moms are going to be the ones that are going to stay
at the end.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Dad, dad and son all about her honestly are
completely fucking useless, likethe son Billy, billy.
Ok, we got to also get into thecandy shop fight here at the
end because I'm just going toskip ahead, because I'm just
going to skip ahead and likeevery possible story.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
If I walk into a fucking candy stop in.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Wayne Reed.
It's Wayne.
Reed, it's not a.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Dwayne Reed.
I'm going in here to buy cottoncandy and a couple of juju
fruits and somebody's throwingfucking saw blades at me.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I'm getting the hell out of this place Like I mean
all the things, they haveeverything, and then there's a
full fountain.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
There's a full fucking fountain in this in this
candy shop.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
No, it's New York, it's Zabars.
That's what it is.
It's that we're at Zabars youknow, they have a hardware on
the second floor and they havecheese and olives and fountains
in the middle.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah fountains 100 percent.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I, if you told me I can see them in the writers,
like writing going how are wegoing to get water in there?
Oh, let's just put a fountainin the middle, exactly Big.
Let's do a water feature.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
You know what this place has, this small town next
to the small movie theater,which has one bank.
You know what this fuckingcandy store has?
A goddamn water feature it hasa really good level.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
It's done like a water park adjacent to it, like
all of a sudden they like wentnext door and they're in a water
park, like that.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I feel like I would have liked that Also again, I'm
not a professional screenwriter,but you know what every house
has in the Midwest.
Every house in the Midwestfucking has a garden hose or a
sprinkler.
There are two pretty goodoptions.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh, my God, it's too good.
The the lengths they reach whenthey didn't need to.
It's too.
It's too good, I have to saydude, I'm going to go ahead.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You brought up the movie theater again and that
does remind me like there, sothere's some interesting things
here that they had to do.
I want to go back to, like yousee at the beginning of the
movie that this is a Spielbergpresents, right.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
And then the Indiana Jones billboard, sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Like immediately there's a, there's a total
reference.
I was like wow, they couldn'thit that, were on the nose Like
OK, you know Well.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So from what I understand and this kind of
cracks me up is like so, whenthis, this script got passed
around and he initially just youknow, it's Christopher Columbus
, a second script, but he'sstill in school Didn't think it
was going to get made.
I mean, that's the rumor anyway.
He didn't write it to get madeand Spielberg actually liked it
and, of course, had ideas aboutit, and part of that was why

(44:58):
it's not so dark, aka what wejust championed, which was this
mom.
She gets killed.
In the original script she getsdecapitated.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Oh.
So instead they changed it justher being shipped off to some
at home doctor and saying, quoteunquote, one had a little bit
of an accident.
Yeah, after she was attacked,that was instead of killing her,
they were like, let's just like, pawn her off to someone at
home, it's done.
But instead of being like thereis an alien creature attacking

(45:26):
everybody, we don't know what'slike any sort of actual contact.
He says mom's had a little bitof an accident.
What a perfect.
I think I pause it to take thatthat moment.
It's the wrong team in my core.
I can't deal with it.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
So I don't have a lot of like direct.
I have circumstantial evidenceto support this, but I think
this movie is without a betterterm to use.
This is a Spielberg pet project, and what I mean by that is I
see you, All all the littlethings that he wanted he had to

(46:03):
get you know, so he got a budgetof like $11 million.
When he finally went to thestudio, he went to Warner
Brothers.
And.
I was like wow, that was whichis obviously, I mean, that's
still not a lot of money, but heonly got, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I'm used to making movies for like a hundred
thousand dollars, so I feel likethat's a lot of money,
especially no fair.
That's just me.
Oh yeah, I'm like what?
What is the guy on the?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
other mic, you know definitely.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
We all know Matt Mundy is supporting big budget
movies.
That's really what he's like.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Look, I mean, I'm not a professional producer, but if
I were, then that's why theycall him Mundy Fundy.
Mundy Fundy.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Oh, I haven't heard that one before.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yes, mundus Profundus , the is is.
They did that, so they had todo like.
the producers had to do a lot ofthings to keep Spielberg happy
or to basically do things sothat he wouldn't give them a lot
of rewrites, because they knewthat they didn't have a lot of
money for the rewrites, you know, or redesigns, so like Chris

(47:04):
Wallace.
So Chris Wallace, for example,was like well, I've got this
design of Gizmo, but I don'thave a lot of money to redesign
it, so what's the, what's thebest way to make sure I don't
have to redesign it?
I'll make it the same color ashis Cocker Spaniel, and so he
did.
So it's the same color as hisCocker Spaniel.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And then like Spielberg's Cocker Spaniel yes
as Spielberg's Cocker Spaniel sobecause he just like knew that
he would like it, because it haslike a personal.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh and things like the.
They would reference his movies, like you saw, with yes, yeah.
And then what was the other onein the movie Like, oh, this one
made me think of it, steve, youhad mentioned again the movie,
the movie theater, and themarquee there is at the
beginning, and it is funny, thismovie doesn't take place over a

(47:53):
long period of time, but themarquee changes.
But I can't remember what it isat the end at the top of the
top of my head, but at thebeginning, when he's, you know
oh, I know what it says at theend.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
If you got the beginning, I got the end.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Well, yeah, ok, it says a boy's life and watch the
skies.
I don't know if you notice thatthat's.
That's a reference to a boy'slife is ET and watch the skies
as close encounters, and so.
Wow.
So this was like little thingsthey were throwing in to be like
hey, Just to feed his ego.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yes, if anything, I would think that might backfire,
like if I were Spielberg andthat were happening, I'd be like
don't reference, just in casethis doesn't, you don't do all
the things I want.
This doesn't go well, which Ifeel like was a very large
possibility with this film.
I'd be like don't reference anyof my fucking movies.
I might not even put my nameattached to it, like the fact

(48:44):
that that went in their favor ispretty I'm I'm impressed.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I guess that's.
I guess that's because that'swhat I mean by it being his pet
project, like he loved this,like he really wanted to do it.
He was going to do it withoutthe studio at first and then was
like, oh, I need money.
So that's when he went toWarner Brothers and asked for
money.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
So interesting.
Wow, yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
You know what they're watching at the end, right.
Yeah, oh, that's no white, nowhite because they get raptured
in high fucking ho.
They, all the gremlins, cometogether to sing high ho I.
It was fabulous, I loved it.
That was the that was.
I literally laughed out loudwhen they were all turned off.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
What's the metaphor, though?
Because I also clocked it, butI'm not that Monday.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I don't have a metaphor for that other than it
was fucking great Right.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
They had to have been trying to say something, no
that they're laborers.
The fact that oh no.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm not.
This is a worker.
This is a workers union movie.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yes, sure, anybody yes.
Well, OK, here's the thing, See, there's something right, or no
?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yes, yes, there is absolutely something.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
There we go, jesus Christ, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I can't wait.
Yeah, we're ready.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
All right With that kind of buildup.
It's, it's.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
There's nothing, it's the fact that's pulling it out
of your ass.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
No, I'm not even pulling this out of my ass.
I'm saying that it isabsolutely unclear, except for
the fact that they're short, andthat's it.
That is it.
That is it.
That's it.
Like there are there.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
So they're just all small.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Wait, a second Is there are there, are there, are
there.
Are we backing this up withanything, or is this just a
Monday theory?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
There's nothing.
This is a Monday theory,because there's nothing else in
the movie that's short, exceptfor them, and that they're just
like excited to buy that Shortand they sound kind of like them
Sure.
And they did, and they lovemusic.
They love to sing.
Remember we get this from Gizmoearly on doing the music and
they also speak English wheneverit's appropriate, out of

(50:53):
nowhere what?
Out of nowhere, out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, that was one of the craziest things.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
What I don't know.
You spoke English, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yes, exactly.
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
It's so bad, it's good.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, I love it.
That's that's.
And that's exactly where I waslike.
I was trying to figure.
I knew I was like there'ssomething magical about this
being snow white and the sevendwarves, and I couldn't come up
with it and I was like, wait aminute, this entire world is
tall people to them and they aredestroying and everything that

(51:30):
the tall people have, excepthere they are.
Here's the dwarves in there.
It's like like which?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
is, which is why they couldn't have the main kid be
eight years old, see, becausethen they'd be around the same
height they had, totally, that'sall totally tracks.
I'm just saying there.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
They're really stretching.
Billy Boy is stretching like aten year gap here of comfort,
comfort which is not not notcomfortable.
Did you guys notice that Mikefrom fucking Breaking Bad is in
this movie?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Oh, yeah, yeah I was like oh, that's that's one of
the one of the cop guys.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, that's one of the cops?
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I was, like you know,looking out in the car he's like
what is this?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
deputy deputy Brent man.
I love it.
Jonathan Banks, I would love aworld where these exist
continuously.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Like.
They're like a thing, they're asingle world.
This is what made Mike hardLike, because you don't see shit
like this in in in New Mexico.
Like in Albuquerque.
I've seen some shit in in smalltown upstate New York, which is
, I'm guessing, where this isset.
Did they give a setting forthis?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Well, they call it.
Oh gosh, what's it called?
Kingston Falls?
The back lot, the back lot.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, the back lot for sure, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
King, it's Kingston Falls which.
Those scenes were also stockfootage, from Back to the Future
as well, wow.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Where is no shit?
Where is Kingston Falls?
Is that a real, real place?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
This is where I comment section blows up.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Guys, who was our?
Who was our?
Racist, like American guy thathates everything foreign?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Butterman Dick.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Miller, Dick Miller.
He has a line in this movie.
It's like I told you we shouldhave gotten a Zenith.
I was like that fucking lineaged well, really, really well,
His TV would work.
The teacher character no, no,no, that's our racist, that's
our, that's our guy on the track.
That's the guy on the track.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Okay, but talk speaking of racism.
Is it true?
Or am I not remembering thatthe black character does die
first in this movie as well?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
He's the science teacher, I not track that he
died.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
He died?
I think he died first.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
He's the first one to go, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Did he die?
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
God yeah.
He like they show him under thedesk Like I mean it looks like
he's gone yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Oh well, apparently the original version of that was
all the syringes were in hisface.
That is no joke.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Oh, that's, that was some commentary I heard yeah.
I'm sorry to have gone there,but let's just call it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
No, I mean you gotta call it spade, of spade for sure
you talk about that so easily.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Holy shit Wow.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Wow, I hadn't thought .
I mean that didn't, yeah, andI'm like hold on.
Was he the first?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Cause.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I remember last night .

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I think it was a part of the movie before I passed
out and I was like uh, that'swhen Bill calls mom in the.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
You know, on the on the regular character to die.
Yeah, that's right after thatthat Bill calls mom on her.
You know regularly used atticphone of like hey mom, they've
hatched.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
The, the, the.
By the way, you have like apull down ladder to access.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah.
It's not like a finished atticwith like two beds and be like
this is a really nice rusticguest room.
No, no, no, they have likecobwebs and shit, but no, they
have a working phone.
You know, just in case, just incase you need to.
You know, yeah, call and get arepairman.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Venture off from the fact that they killed the black
guy first.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Well, you know, that's, that's what I strive to
do.
I strive, I strive to.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
We don't need to get too much in the daughter.
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
No, but I mean it's.
It's also my team at four werein the middle of it Like.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I know, but as all the films like, not that it's
okay in any film, but the factthat this film, which is not
more discussing, it's a realhorror film, it's more like a
comedy than and then anything.
Now that I've revisited it,don't tell my three year old
self that, because shedefinitely was convinced it was
the scariest thing a whole time.
But the fact that it is likethis kind of campy, like really
was that I'm putting my foot inmy mouth, but it just wow, like

(55:45):
I just can't.
Even I can't, I can't believethat in this movie as well, they
fricking did that Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I just think of all the things that we've been
having fun with today.
That is absolutely one of themost like, like eye opening
moments, because it's like, yeah, of being a movie of its time
that couldn't get out of its ownway.
Right the tropes that were soaccepted, wow.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's a really great example of yes, and I want to
get back to also the women inthis film, because this is like
the only two people that everreally fuck up the gremlins are
mom and bartender girl.
Unclear how old she is shemight be 16.
She might be 24.
Really unclear.

(56:29):
I will say this.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
She calls herself the girl.
Like I listened to somecommentary of her and she goes
hi, I'm PBK, it's.
I played the girl and I waslike oh my gosh, because her
name is Kate in the movie butthey don't really use it and I'm
like I wonder if that was justan afterthought.
I wonder if the script saidgirl girl and then they named
her.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
wow, interesting.
Making a comment, or that seemslike also something that you
know you might that somebodymight say in commentary, being
like, yeah, I was the girlbecause, like, as this is a
movie about these guys and theydidn't give a fuck about me, you
know what I mean?
Like that.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
But both could be applicable.
The only two people that havelike a high head count on this,
on this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, 100%, billy boy .
You know, I was like I'mmanning the bar before, dude, I
mean also, she's running a barand then the Gremlins come in
and they're obviously fucked upand she keeps serving them.
I just, and I mean just, and goin and go in, and go, I mean,
and that was like such a servingFutterman, early too, that's

(57:29):
true, I mean, but I will saythat they were like making such
a thing about these Gremlins arereally fucking this place up
and I was like this looks like anormal St Patrick's day.
I mean, she's definitely seenthis shit before.
Like it's just weird clientele.
But also bartender you've seenweird clientele.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Like.
The beauty of that sequence tome, though, is I think it was
just that the puppeteers likeyes.
Having a great day.
Like they were just like OK,let's do every version of the
thing that we can, let's do.
All these people I actuallyjust like, really really reveled
and enjoyed that sequencebecause of how much they had fun
with that.
Like it's disgusting, but likeit's an absolute blast.

(58:08):
Every possible tableau that theycould with these gremlins,
turning them into actualcaricatures, and and she's just
like to that character's credit,just like, if you said, serving
them and the using them in anyway that she can.
But but the funny part to me ishow comical it is.
There's no threat, really, likethey're a nuisance.

(58:28):
They're like like you're sayingit's the same, like they're,
you know, ruining the bar orwhatever.
But there's no danger, there'sabsolutely no.
Like nobody's getting killedhere, they're just smoking
cigarettes and playing cards.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I don't know the one that was going to say the danger
, the danger I saw until the gun, I don't know.
Right, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
There is a gun.
There's a gun in this movie.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Why is there a gun in this?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
movie.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, because they had to.
They had to after should thecredit of what I was just saying
.
They had to then turn it backto them having some sort of
threatening manner.
Right, because they do thatwhole sequence.
They have to.
You can't continue with thefilm.
If that's the case, they haveto then have one.
That's going to be an actualthreat.
They put a gun in there andthey shoot it off and it just
misses her and then all of asudden, we're scared for our

(59:14):
lives again, like I guess itworks.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
But fast forward to the candy store slash, hardware
store slash like greenhouseslash or patio or whatever the
fuck it is.
But I just want to say Billy islike, hold on, girl, go find a
light switch, which I will saythere is a light switch in this

(59:39):
fucking place.
Right, I was like I would.
I would scan every part of thiswall.
There is a light switch in thisplace.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
But instead she goes to the house.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, she goes upstairs and into the thing
which has like straight upaircraft level sophisticated
board.
Like you have to know that.
You know you have to memorizelike 30 switch combinations to
get the fucking lights on whichis hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
No, but not even just that.
Then she has to break into thebreaker Right and then she rips
the break and she's likeliterally like blow barring, and
you're fucking telling me thatat this, this at this store
which has so many things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
there has to be a coffee shop in here somewhere,
If they have this manyvariations so they have to open
it, probably a bakery too.
So that means they're open tolike three or four am every day
because they do everythingYou're telling me.
Somebody walks upstairs, takesa screwdriver, pulls this panel
off, pushes four or fiveswitches to turn the fucking
lights on.
Like that is not what I justdon't buy it.
But they sell them, but theydon't have that it's exactly

(01:00:40):
that we sell them, but we've notyet installed them here.
It's too new of technology.
But I will say Billy Boy findsa, finds a baseball, baseball
bat and starts going afterStripe Right, there's one,
gremlin left Stripe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah, gremlin, come Stripe, comes at him with a
chainsaw, right.
After he gets chainsaw of alltime, after he shoots him with a
crossbow, which is I was likeholy shit, he shot him with a
crossbow.
Then he comes at him with achainsaw and builds defense is a
wooden bat.
I got bad news for you, dudeYou're going to fucking die.

(01:01:15):
That is not going to stop thatchainsaw.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
But he's fine, because the chainsaw just goes
at it back and forth, back andforth 100 percent and then, they
come to think of it, and itdoes chew it down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
What you guys aren't noticing was that bat was corked
so he couldn't get through thesteel pipe that was in the
middle of the bat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Got it?
I don't know.
So these people are also.
They're not, that's how they'rebeaten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Everybody's.
They're cheating.
They're one candy store, but ifyou go far enough back, you can
also buy a plant, and that'show they're really keeping it
open.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
They're not licensed for this.
I'm defending the undefendable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah, they're not licensed for this, but you know
there's.
But then and then she flips thelights on and that kills
everybody.
Bill, effectively, is uselessin this movie.
He doesn't kill a singleGremlin, he's a total useless
piece.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
He kills the one.
He kills the one, he kills one.
How every decapitates the onethat's with the sword back at
home.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's strangling mom , ok after mom fucks four or
five up with straight uphousehold items.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Oh, and not only that , there no, so here's, let's,
let's bring it all back home.
These are all the appliancesthat don't work.
These are all the appliancesyou have to assume, even the
microwave because the only thingwe've seen are the, the dad's
inventions, or throughout thekitchen.
And the next thing we know?
None of the first, none of themwork.
And the next thing we see, whenthey do, we're killing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I don't know about that, because it's a microwave
which is not dad's invention andit's like a mixer, which is not
been established as one of hisand like and the blender right,
I think the one with the blenderand all of his inventions are
like the juicer, the egg cracker, the phone, like lightsaber,
like all of those things.
So I don't know.

(01:02:59):
I think that it might be theopposite and they might be
saying all of the things thatdad didn't touch in this kitchen
.
They look like things that sheknows with Amanda here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
They look like completely functional items, dad
did not design a blender.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
And a microwave.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I think, I think, I think that's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, exactly, I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I will say, like not to go too meta, but the whole
movie is about gremlins, right,which is about getting into
things to mess them up and likethe.
All these inventions arealready messed up and like that,
like the gremlins were alreadyin them as he invented them.
They didn't have to wait to getmessed up Like he invented them
, and they're terrible, meaninghe put the gremlin like the

(01:03:40):
gremlins were already in there.
Anyway, did that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
make sense.
So what is can we?
Can we get, like, get into whatyou're saying, because I
forgive my brain and how itdoesn't work in depth sometimes.
So what is this reference?
What is the Gremlin World WarII?
I know we touched upon it likeis it from the Vanzolin regimes,
like all that stuff.
But what does that mean?
What are they saying?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
So it was a term first used in World War II and
it was specifically about planes, anything that went wrong on a
plane.
Okay.
There's like a Gremlin got intoit and that they would blame
these monsters called Gremlinsthat got into the plane A

(01:04:22):
hypothetical, there's no actual.
yeah, this is just likesomething they pull themselves
up, okay, and there's an amazingTwilight Zone.
That is a wonder of myreference of this and it's, yeah
, and it's one of the firststarring roles of.
Oh my gosh, I should give backmy anything.

(01:04:43):
I can't think of his name rightnow.
The Kirk, captain Kirk, no,shatner, patrick Stewart, yes,
no, no, no.
Oh my God, what did I just do?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
No, you were right you're just the next generation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, oh, okay, good, oh you, but like, yes, it's off
so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Bill, so Bill Shatner , Billy Shat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Oh Billy, oh Billy, oh Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It was one of his first roles and it was in a
Twilight Zone episode and it'sabout a Gremlin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
No way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yes, oh, I wanna watch this.
Yes, anybody who's not seen it?
Also, the Simpsons do one of myfavorite episodes, and A
Treehouse of Horrors.
I think it's like season fourand it's the exact same thing,
but it's on a bus instead of ona plane, and anyway, that

(01:05:42):
episode.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
So the idea is just things that get into.
Yes, things that get intothings, that fucking stuff.
That's what you were saying,yeah yeah, now I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, cause it was.
That was what a nightmare, at20,000 feet or something like
that, was the original episode.
But, yes, what gets into yourthings and messes them up, which
is why, like, their whole thingwas to call mischief and get
into things and messing up Rightright, which isn't an actual
life or death threat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
It's no interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, to mess them up , Unless you're a mom with a
knife and then you put them inthe appliances and mess them up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Wait this just reminds me, though, of the
moment where one of the grandmasI think he goes to is it Billy?
When Billy is like lying down,like useless at some point, and
one of the grandmas like runsover and just like claws at his
chest and then like runs awayyes, yes, yeah, billy is
completely useless Like what Iwas like why they're just like

(01:06:39):
come on, haven't they run away?
I'm like, oh, there's not evena fight Like they're not even
trying to fight or like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
No not at all.
I laughed at all.
Oh my gosh.
So all right.
So, as we wrap up, I do want it.
There's two cameos in thismovie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yeah, we've got to talk about Judge Reinhold.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Oh, he's not even a cameo.
Oh shit, Dude, how old is JudgeReinhold?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Again, no one knows how old they are.
In this movie Judge Reinholdhas a line I've just got to slew
that he says he's 24 years old.
Judge Reinhold is easily in his30s in this movie and he's yeah
, he says that I didn't clockthat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I wrote it down.
I wrote it down.
I wrote it down.
I wrote it down because Ididn't remember his name when I
was watching him.
I said the guy from Santa Clausis 24.
In this movie His character ishe's at least in his mid 30s and
then he uses a line on a woman.
He says come on, he's liketrying to figure out if he come
over to somebody.
He's like come on over to myplace.
Come on, we're talking cable.

(01:07:39):
And I was like that shit drivesme nuts, yeah, but it was like a
line and something was cool and, like you know, the only place
you have cable anymore isn'tlike the hospital.
Nobody's watching cable, likeyou know they.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
It's just the exacter .
Whatever it is we saying islike oh definitely, yeah, yeah.
I don't know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
They definitely set up the factor very well on his
character.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
But also another useless character, right,
because he just disappearedafter that, yeah, he disappears
and he's only there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
So that when Billy asks Phoebe out because it's
both to Phoebe, like he asksPhoebe out at the bar Right and
he's only there, to contrast.
So when when Billy asks Phoebeout, it's much cuter.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yes, but did nobody notice that, like one of them is
maybe her age and the other oneis clearly a creepy older guy,
like what that's supposed to be,like a competition?
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
No one knows any ages of anyone in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, but Judge Reinhold is clearly like the
older creepy bank, likeco-worker.
But he says in there he's likeI'm 24.
It's something like I'm 24.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I'll be 25 and I'll be a bank manager or some shit
and like how old is our maincharacter.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Like.
The two that end up togetherclearly are peers and he is like
it's.
I did not.
The fact that that was likesupposed to be a viable
competitive competition forBilly or whatever it's famous,
is kind of comical to me.
And what does that add to thelist?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So good, good call.
That was not even the cameo.
There are two that are easy tomiss.
One is much more easy to miss.
Much easier to miss is StevenSpielberg.
Hmm, yes, didn't see it.
So, Amanda, do you rememberthat scene you mentioned?

(01:09:39):
Why?
Why would this happen onChristmas Eve?
Like where?
What do you remember the phonecall that happens?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
The phone call.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Like the yeah, oh, the connection.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Is he like looking at the robot behind him?
No, at some point when he's inthe bicycle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Remember the bicycle that rides by the like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Oh yeah, it's this low profile bicycle that drives
by.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Okay, and it's Steven Spielberg, and you can tell
because he's got like a sprainedfoot and it's in a cast.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
And that's so funny.
That's not a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I'm just going to say that that's not a cameo.
If you ride by on a bike in thebackground, that's not a cameo.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
All right, your background for a day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
That's not a cameo, no that's a cameo.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
No, he's not in the background, he comes in the
foreground.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
The Technically the foreground.
But it's funny because there'sa background actor in that scene
that I definitely clocked and Iwasn't sure if there was any
reason to it and find out thereisn't.
But he's like behind him inthat phone booth and he kind of
I guess it was just really goodbackground acting work kudos to
whoever that was.
But they like like kind of stopand look at the robot and it's
all.
It's all could just be nothing.

(01:10:44):
But you're also going like arethey trying to showcase that
background after?
I'm not sure, and so I thoughtmaybe that was what you're, but
no, I noticed more than abicycle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Was this the guy with the button down, with a tie?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Maybe I don't remember what he was wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
If that was the guy, then that's actually.
He's not a cameo, but he'sactually dressed as, I think,
Joe Dante the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
How do you know that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
So it was just you know you just know all the
things.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Well, you know I get bored.
Okay, what's the other cameo?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Oh, this one I did not clock and this was
definitely some commentary thatled me here was Chuck Jones.
So we know, like the director,of Looney Tunes.
Chuck Jones.
Yes, exactly the Chuck Jonesfrom all the.
Looney Tunes, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Father of physical comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yes, he is sitting next to Billy, remember.
And the first time we see Billyin the bar and he's drawing his
little illustrations.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yes, that old man.
And he says like I knew she'snever looked better or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yes.
And he's the dragon that hashis.
Deagle's face on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
That's Chuck Jones complimenting Billy.
Yeah, because that's the factthat he was an artist was
apparently a bigger part of thestory, but the rough cut was two
hours and 45 minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I was going to say I don't even really remember that.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
And that's yeah, that's Chuck Jones, which I
thought was Was just prettyawesome, and I mean there's,
there's great people that youdon't really notice, but um, but
anyway, I would say, as we'rewrapping up, um, for each of you
and Amanda, I'll start with youand qualify this, or you don't

(01:12:40):
have to qualify this uponrewatch, and I know that's a
different ask for you Does thismovie hold up?

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
So this is very interesting for me and I thought
this is kind of a worthwhiletakeaway given my history with
it.
It for me it couldn't have beentwo more different films than
my perspective.
You know, the first time Iwatched it I I've been terrified
of anything else that's beencoming my whole life.
So this is what I thought itwas to be watching it as an

(01:13:16):
almost 40 year old woman, uh,with a child of her own at same
age.
It's so interesting life, howit comes full circle.
But it couldn't have been amore different film and I just
thought that that was a reallycool look on perspective and how
perspective is just everythingit's.

(01:13:37):
I couldn't have had more funwatching it this time around,
like I couldn't have been lessscared, I couldn't have been
more adm admirable, to heradmirable, and I couldn't have
admired the puppeteering workmore and the special effects
more than I did.
Like there was so much to takefrom it that I would have.

(01:13:58):
That is the opposite of what Ithought this movie to be.
So I thought that was, I don'tknow.
There was just a uniqueexperience to rewatch it that
way and a nice metaphor for mylife, just to be like I mean,
yeah, I know we're talking abouta three year old.
This is a long gap.
It's not like, oh, when Iwatched it 10 years ago and how
I've changed whatever, it's likea fairy.

(01:14:19):
But but imagine watching thisfrom a child's eyes versus an
adult's eyes, like those.
Just the difference ofperspective in those two things
is just the beauty of filmmakingin a way, like how that kind of
affects each unique individualexperience so drastically
different.
Is is kind of theresponsibility we hold as

(01:14:39):
filmmakers as well.
Like I just I was kind of justfascinated by that, but I do.
I will say that it holds up forme in just a completely
different way.
Like I I can't compare the twomovie watching experiences, they
couldn't be more different.
But watching it likeobjectively as I am now, I loved

(01:15:05):
it so much, given all of theshit talk we have done, and
maybe that's what made it likeso fun for me is being able to
watch it with like a keen eye atthis point in my life, like
just noticing all of thesethings was so enjoyable and I, I
, uh, I truly just I couldn'thave had more fun rewatching it.

(01:15:26):
So I say for that reason itholds up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, for me, I got it, that made sense.
I got to piggyback on that andjust say that for me I've never
seen it, so until yesterday Iwatched it.
As you know, the late 30s adult, and so I'm seeing it through
different eyes and probably dowhen I was younger.
But this movie is fucking great.
It is definitely a family movie.
It's not that scary.
I wouldn't show it to a kidunder like eight 10, you know
what I mean.
I think that's probably like aprobably appropriate age to see

(01:15:52):
it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Thanks, steve, you're welcome.
I did that for my three.
It's fine, okay.
No, I think you know what Imean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Like for me.
I'm just saying I don't thinkthere's anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I'm going to prison, it's fine.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
I just don't think they'll appreciate it.
Like it's a fun, fun movie.
I 100% love this movie.
I'm all in on it.
The things that are wrong aboutit are wrong in the right way
and it's just.
It's one of those movies thatis just the right.
It's the right mixture ofbatshit, crazy and fun, and it
just is.
This is a Christmas movie.
Watch this at Christmas.
Of 100%, I'm going to say itholds up and you should

(01:16:26):
definitely watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
That being said, but the creature work is terrifying,
like the creature work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah, some of the creature close ups, yeah, are
scary.
They're creepy, we're callingcreepy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Talking about, but from a kid's perspective I will.
I say that, like, rewatching, Iwas like, no wonder, I was
terrified Like, and also, as amother, terrified sharing it,
exposing my son to it, it allbeing like, oh my gosh, like he
has contacts right now, butthese images alone might scare
the shit out of him becausethey're like so well done.
So there is that weird likecombination of effects there,

(01:17:01):
right, like it's not scary atall, there's no threat.
At the same time, like just theimagery alone can be quite
creepily terrifying, givenwhatever the whoever the
audience is.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
It's just to kind of, you know, circle into what you
both have been saying.
I think it does.
What's so amazing is it allowsa rewatch with very different
eyes.
You know, and as a kid I mean,I was I was terrified.
I absolutely like Gizmo.
I'm we mentioned this in the inthe discussion.

(01:17:37):
I'm so glad the decision was tokeep Gizmo because I remember
seeing him through the moviekept me grounded.
As long as Gizmo was okay, Ifelt okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
How old were you when you first saw it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Oh, I mean I probably , I was probably seven or eight,
yeah, cause I haven't.
You know, I have an olderbrother and I can't remember.
He'll like he'll definitelycorrect me cause I, he always
got mad if I got to see stuffthat he couldn't have seen.
You know, even if it wasn'tthat it, you know that and and
rightfully so, I understand but,and he may have, I may have

(01:18:15):
watched it with him.
It may have been one of thoselike we went to blockbuster and
you know, and I, I wanted towatch it.
I wanted to watch it and I'msure I could see my brother
going sure, um, but uh, anyway,I think it's Interesting thing
is that I have to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I want to say something about Gizmo because of
your experience and how he wasa grounding thing for you.
For me, I didn't remember himbeing good throughout because I
was too young when I watched it.
So like in my my like figurethat I've had my whole life of
of these creatures has alsoincluded Gizmo, because I think
in my perspective as a threeyear old, I was like are they

(01:18:58):
the same?
Like the, the cute, cuddly,soft, furry guy that we love
turns into these other guys andso he was also a part of the
creep factor, if that makessense.
So rewatching it and sayingthat he's a good guy the whole
time, like I as an adult, waslike thank you God, like I can
correct that fear that I've hador that like attachment that
I've had, that like uh, inside,but it makes me feel and now

(01:19:22):
Gizmo can just be like sweet,loving Gizmo that I love and no
longer be attached and they'relike two very separate things.
But as a kid I did not havethat experience.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
So dude are you?
Telling me this podcast didsomething for the good of
humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I did.
It made me less fearful in mylife.
It was cute cuddly things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
This is early on, but , matt, we might just have to
wrap it up.
We might just have to call itright here.
This might be the end of thewhole thing and into the whole.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yes, this is it.
We are now happy hour.
Flicks therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, good night and good luck.
It's like thank you, Like we'vedone our one good deed in the
world.
It's all going to go downhillfrom now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
That's right.
I'm grateful for it.
To quote our moral level in themovie Mr Futterman we have
reached our zenith, oh there itgoes, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Yes, that shit my meat Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Um well, uh well, amanda, thank you so much for
doing this with us, and you andilluminating.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
We didn't have to talk about myself really at all.
This is fantastic.
So please, with the outcome, Imean I probably said clocked
like 100 times too many, Howeverlong it's been, but you know it
was accurate to what we weretalking about, so I won't get
too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I said Lord of the Rings too many times, which was
one.
Amazed that you made a Lord ofthe Rings comparison to gremlins
.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
I think that might just go down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I don't know, that was pretty incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
For sure To our listeners, that should be our
two on bingo Um.
On my references random thingsin a pod.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Um, so, but uh, anyway, um, as, as we sign off
here, Amanda, as our listenerswant to follow you on socials,
um, oh, yeah, and what do youhave going on?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
What's going on with you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Uh, uh, uh uh.
On socials, I think I'm a K AAmanda Fuller.
Um, I am about to start my ownpodcast.
Yes, tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yes, tell us, this is amazing.
I'm very excited.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
I um I have a long time life warrior of
endometriosis, which is a veryUm misdiagnosed, underfunded,
under researched disease thataffects, uh so much of our
population.
And so, and now that I've gonethrough some my own battle with
it and continue to, I realizedhow important it is to get some

(01:22:02):
more exposure out there on itand start to tell, and I'm
excited to be able to share somestories of those who are
affected by it and and experts,interview experts, so that we
can all, um anyone dealing withit can get help quicker and live
better lives quicker.
So I'm throwing a podcast it'scalled that endopod.
I'm supposed to release myfirst episode, which is my own

(01:22:23):
personal story, on June 27th.
I have no idea what I'm doing,so thanks you guys for inviting
me to be a guest today so I cantest my waters.
I've been a writer before, butit's been a while, so this was a
good uh reintroduction for me.
Um, and that, yeah, that I'malso writing.
I'm not, you know, technicallygetting paid for any writing

(01:22:44):
work.
Obviously there's a writerstrike and I'm not a part of the
WGA, but I'm trying to um getsome of my own projects off the
ground and if anyone is hiringactors for any roles.
I'm available.
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Amanda, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
We're enormous fans of you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Everybody should be an enormous fan of Amanda Fuller
.
She has so many great storiesand does so much great work.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Oh, and a certain little film called heard that I
did last year should be gettingreleased this year Somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Yeah, I'll take that to my plug.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
I mean, you can look.
I was going to say Steve, wherecan we find you?
And what's going?

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
on with you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
I think we got a couple of films that Amanda
wants to hear about.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah.
So first film we have a filmout right now called Buking
Games, which is a concertdocumentary.
It's available in the US rightnow, basically anywhere you can
buy a film.
It'll be hopefully we'll seewhere it goes from here to be
available in your streamersometime, probably later this
fall.
And then heard our horror moviethat Amanda Fuller is also in
and she's does an amazing,amazing job along with some

(01:23:45):
really incredible performances.
We are so, so blessed to haveher in the film, as long as we
will be there, that'll be comingout this fall.
We don't exactly, can't sayexactly what time or where at
the moment, just because wedon't know, but it is in the
works for sometime, you know,october, september range,
hopefully in theaters.

(01:24:05):
So we will be able to talkabout that soon.
Matt Mundy, what you got goingon, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Oh man, yeah, so find me at Mo Mundy, that's my
social handle, and Mo Mundy VMatt Mundy.
And of course also you knowwhat is a buke, what is a gaze?
Find out when you watch themovie buke and gaze.
Just make sure you turn on yoursoundbar because it is a full
on concert and full ondocumentary.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
So I can't wait.
I was so sad to have missedthat, to have not been in New
York for that premiere, so itwas a lot of fun.
Yeah, it really was, and itdoes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
And it does to it to and like I'm not overstating it
at all, it is meant to belistened to as well as watched,
like it is.
This band has got a great soundand and and it's just, it's so.
It's so great to, you know,watch the story unfold, but just
like be immersed into the, tothe music itself.

(01:25:01):
That's why we want to start,you know, wanted to do the
project to begin with, and then,of course, with her.
So, yeah, we and I thinksomebody may have just mentioned
there's some news coming aroundthe corner we may have some
post show notes, depending onwhen this is released, for you
to listen to.
And and then also, I've got.
I've got some drinks to refill,and that's pretty much it here

(01:25:26):
for that.
Well, thank you, guys, it's beenan awesome discussion.
And all things gremlins and allthings Christmas movies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
I'm never watching it , I'm never going to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
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