The Last Starfighter | with guest Devon Schwab (SNL, Late Night with Seth Meyers) - Happy Hour Flix | HHF

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Most people think it's about space, but it's
really the story of a youngwoman struggles dating a beta
man.
It's the last Starfighter.
It's 1984, Gremlins, Blood,Simple, Ghostbusters, Nightmare

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on Elmstreak stop making sense.
The Terminator, Muppets, TakeManhattan, the Neverending Story
and the Karate Kid all come outthis year.
1984 is one hell of a year formovies.
It's a year for movies and thismovie is a whole lot of fun.

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Why the last Starfighter?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
For nostalgia.
That was the request.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's a year for movies, and this movie is a
whole lot of fun Today.
This was made by bartender Max.
They have a few bars in therestaurant and they're stealing

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time with everything today.

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Today we're drinking the Planet Rogan.

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I never know any characters last night.

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Alex is the creator of the drinks last night.

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Alex is the creator of the drinks last night.
He's the creator of the drinkslast night.

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He's the creator of the drinks last night.

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Speaker 3 (09:24):
Thanks to everyone for joining us, you know, this
week.
I thought it was amazing.
I was like I forgot how goodthose scenes look, yeah, and
even the sound and everythinglike the movie is very well made
, yeah, oh, a total, you know,like that was one thing I really
took away from.
It was just like I was kind ofexpecting it to be Kind of

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cheesy and bad.
My memory was a little bit more, you know this is Rose-colored
glasses yeah, and watching I waslike it's really well made.
You know, like just the veryopening scenes that my second
note was good animal workBecause the dog and the cat

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coming out of the that cat, thatdog is like laying upside down
in the, in the timings, perfectof it.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
The cat coming out of the the mailbox.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I was like these are all cool little details that
take a lot of work.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah for sure.
No, that was not anafterthought.
That took a ton of plan.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah for sure.
I feel like nothing.
He definitely said that theywanted that opening to be like
he was.
Was it Nick Castle said like itwas?
Spielberg and George Lucas wereso good at creating their own
worlds and their own identity.
He was like I wanted to haveone, and that's like I mean.
We saw it, it did we justtalked about it the last five
minutes the amazing identitythat's immediately established

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here.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, I mean the movie.
It feels to me Like this isStar Wars, but the performances
are like that reminiscent of theGolden Age of television and
musicals or whatever you know.
I mean this is likeperformances from like the 40s.
I mean Robert Preston, RobertPreston the moment he showed up.
Oh yeah holy shit, I heard iton those.
I didn't know anything who's inthis, but I heard the arcade
and I was like that's, that's,that's, that's, that's that's,

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that's.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's Harold Hill.
Yeah, that's music, man.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
And then the whole scene in the first car is
trouble, like he's like oh no,they got this and they got
trouble oh yeah, what are youdoing this?
Oh my god, you know, like thecon man act yeah, and then they
got the, the, the partner alsothat's in the lizard man is what
I keep columns.
I don't know the actor's nameor the characters Greg, greg,
greg.
Yeah, greg, awesome name.
Yeah, all lizard man just likeevery.
I've never heard so muchperforming.

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That's like just exhaling.
He does like all the time.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Oh he's laughing, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's fabulous.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, it's like you know they even In that.
Well, first of all, that actorScottish actor he Is he was so
good with that mask you couldtell that he had spent so much
time like in the mirror tryingto just Make faces and play with
it and apparently that, orwhatever his laugh, was supposed
to be a horse.
He was like wait.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's him trying to be a horse, yeah that's.
I would call that notsuccessful in terms of being a
horse.
Also.
I mean, it is just such a broadperformance, it's so broad, so,
and so is Robert Preston's well, and they got him specifically
for that.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
They were like we want this like golden age, you
know, flim flam, snake oilsalesman yeah and and then,
apparently, like even the themethat we were just talking about
him earlier, the theme that hebuilt around centauri, was meant
to be highly synthesized, like,like a like oh gosh, what did

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he call it?
But it's that music that younormally hear in the market.
And to let you know that it wasa snake oil salesman coming in.
And then he Just reallycompressed it and made it very
Synthed and I was like, oh, soyou just leaned into it because,
sure enough, until he got tolike one line where Alex is like
I just, you know, I just wantto be me, and he's like you know

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, if that's all you want to do,that's all you're ever gonna do,
yeah yeah, yeah, until thatmoment he's every.
He's just selling this.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
He's selling pride, he's selling this big thing
where that, where that gamesetups outside like a kind of a
not a mobile home, but it's likethat.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's like a little restaurant that serves a general
store.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
That, yeah, yeah you guys have a place like this,
like where you oh yeah, in the80s oh yeah, because I remember
like three or four of these arereminding me so much of like one
place where I grew up Down tolike the picnic tables and a
little.
They were mustard bottles, butI remember like the little
ketchup bottles.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh, when we, yeah, and we had the little plastic Um
cigarette trays.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah and they're all just like.
It just reminded me so much oflike places I knew it rang so
authentic.
But one thing that is totallyfake and I'm calling it out the
whole way this is not hold up atall is, in the opening sequence
, that little kid wearing thealien helmet and whatever, and
he's walking around and he'sshooting the little the gun with

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the, the suction cups.
Yeah, yeah, he's like God, forhe's just shooting it and then
leaving the fucking bulletwherever he shoots it.
I mean that that's the thingabout those guns.
It's like Nerf guns.
I love them, but you can'tleave the bullets.
She's right out.
So he like shot two or three,like someone into someone's
trailer and that was my favoritepart.
He didn't like go retrieve thething.
He just left it I was like whatI gun is useless now it's the

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Legolas school of shootingarrows.
You, just you know you have anendless supply of arrows.
Legolas, once in a while had topull one out of the skull of an
orc or something that's true.
Yeah that this kid is justleaving his arrows.
All over is an endless supplyof suction cup arrows and it is
total nonsense.
That is not how that shit works.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
So I do have a question, devin, do you know?
There is an actor who I I'm notsure he made his film debut,
but he is credited in this movieand yet not in like, really not
in the movie.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
What I saw, I know, I know what you're talking about.
He had lines.
Apparently they were cut.
Yeah but a young will Wheaton.
That's right, yeah well.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Wheaton is credited and he's listed is like Louis's
friend and like you.
See him one shot from the back.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
No you see him at the very end, but barely like he
comes out with the people.
But even when they're likepanning from like group to group
, as they're seeing.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean, that's you know, we're kind of jumping to
the end here but no, but I meanit's like it is kind of amazing
that he's they knew.
Keep him in the credits becausehe made it stand by me was the
next thing he did.
Wow, yeah yeah, so it's justlike.
And then, of course, what wasit?
I mean literally three yearsafter this movie wrapped or Was

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exhibited was Star Trek?
Yeah, you know, so it's.
I mean it no time has passed,and like will freaking Wheaton?
And he's just, he's not in themovie, but he's like right up
front at the credits.
Yeah, I love.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
That I mean you gotta know that will.
Wheaton probably washeartbroken when they cut his
character out of this.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, oh, yeah, so okay, okay, to go back to the
beginning.
What is this story about?
All right, do it and.
And you can either answer thisLiterally, or what do you think
this movie is about?
And Devin, I'm gonna come toyou first.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Um yeah, I would, I would.
I don't really say.
It's about what you theconcrete idea of a kid plays a
video game.
He's really good at video game,he's kind of stuck in nowhere
and that leads him to actuallybecoming a real star fighter

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pilot.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, I mean, it's like it's that dream of I want
to get out and experience biggerthings.
Right, like I want to be.
I'm from small town America.
I'm big dream, american dream.
It's an American dream story,just in the kind of galactic.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yes, it's very Luke Skywalker.
You know, like, yeah, like I'mstuck at home.
Yeah, I'm trying to.
I'm trying to go to a bigcollege, not just crappy city
college, Exactly which is alsovery funny, that was yeah, that
cracked me up.
I wrote down a note.
I was like city college notgood.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah.
Damn OK, yes put your stamp onthat Also.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
he was like hi so hard with his friends.
This guy is definitely like theDweeb of the community and
honestly I'm going to say sortof rightly so.
You don't like stand up likeeverybody, wait for go to the
lake while I check the mail,Like I mean, that's just not
like you could have done.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
You've been playing video games and shit for hours.
You could have checked this anytime.
Everybody's here waiting on you.
You're going with them now oryou're out of the group, bro.
That is how society works.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Now some of those plot points are very generically
written.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I did love how you know.
He was like, yeah, I can't go,I have to go help somebody with
their, you know, airconditioning or whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
And everybody was yelling at Alex yeah, air
conditioning is working.
My cables out, my whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
17 driving off to the lake.
Yeah, none of them can take theslack with this community.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, and then we'll go in 30 minutes instead of
leaving this jerk.
And then I love when he, whenhe does get the record, he's
like so excited to tell his momwhich I thought was so sweet
Like if the whole town comes up,he like breaks the record.
Oh dude, can we?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
talk about that for a minute.
So Nick Castle I think it washim said that he wanted to be a
trailer park or something sothey could be a close knit
community.
But holy shit, they move aroundlike straight up theater.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like you know like.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It is like a whole group of people coming up here
for him to break a video gamerecord.
Oh yeah all move as a singleunit and it's just so funny
Monorail monorail monorail, likewhen he breaks that record.
There's just a whole group ofpeople that just block out here
and are like, yes, like he is.
Just you know, he's just likedestroyed the, the armada of the

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enemy, or something.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh, it was the most important thing that had been
done in that town and I thinklike there was like an old woman
like cheering on drinking abeer.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yes, yes, yes, she had, she had her priorities it
interrupted her beer drinkingand she was like I'm going to go
cheer on this team.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Can we talk about I know I'm jumping way ahead here-
All right, but the ending ofthis movie, because we were
talking about what the movie'sabout.
He goes away.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Wait, I didn't tell you what I thought the movie was
.
Oh, what's, what do you think?
I mean, I think the movie, Imean, I actually do agree, I
think the movie is about that.
I think the movie is that Iit's that childhood dream of
what, what if what I'm doing isreal, you know you know and like
even was it war games withMatthew Broderick?
It's like he was.
I mean, that was real you know,right, and.

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but I just remember my a gutreaction when I first saw this
years ago and then rewatching it, was it stayed the same.
It was like, oh, this is thatdream of like if I, the biggest
dream I could ever have, andit's done in the simplest way
possible.
What if that is?
Real and I just there's justsomething so precious about that
.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I mean, didn't they do this, wrote this movie
because you saw a kid in anarcade or something.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, basically, yeah , exactly, that's a great point.
I'd forgotten that he it was aspec script, it's a spec script
and he got it in front of one ofthe producers, but or who
became one of the producers?
But, yes, the whole, the wholeidea was he was in an arcade and
was like what if the, thewinnings were real?
Right, you know his, his prizewas oh, you are the master of

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this starship and it's likethat's kind of awesome.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
So hilarious.
I mean I literally wrote downthe note because I didn't know
what was coming in this movie.
So you told me, devin, beforewe watched it, you're like the
book Armada.
Yeah, you're like it's they.
They borrow heavily from thismovie.
So I was expecting it to kind ofbe in that world where they
were like fighting an invasionor something or whatever.
But then I was like, then I waslike, oh, this car is based on
a DeLorean, and then the nextline is they're in space and

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then, holy shit, he's an alien.
So, like when?
When they did that reveal alsowhat happened to the assistant.
Can I ask that?
Because we're in the car?
And then my press oh God,what's his name?
I just, I wait with the entirehill so it's a tarry.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
When he's he's going there, he's given his whole diet
tribe or flying to Saturnfaster than the speed of light
he's like.
And that's my assistant, Don'tworry about that.
What the hell happened to theassist?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's before they got to space.
Yeah, that's, that's the beta,that's the clone, that's the
clone.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, that's how he calls him Gets to DNA.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, it hurts him Then he gets out of the car, the
beta.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
And then they drive off alone while the beta sticks
around.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And then the reveal is John Carpenter got for.
This is a full disclosure.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I watched this movie in the morning while I was
feeding my infant daughter andlike, so there were a couple of
moments, like scenes of this,where I missed some sections.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, and not long as the plot can be it like there
are things like that, that it'slike blinking you miss it, or
feed your child and you miss ityeah absolutely, because they
don't go back to it.
There's no like.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
There's that one moment, I think, when they're
talking in bed, when he like hasthat first conversation with
beta and he's like remember when, I remember when we touched and
that was oh my God and that'salso in the middle of this movie
they come back, he comes backin the middle of this movie.
That is sort of the weird thingwhenever you like, when you're
not in it, when you're not likewatching the movie and thinking

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back on it.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
it's the weirdest structure ever, yeah like every
all the, it's not that nobattles.
Where's the hero's journey?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, there's no there's no battles, there's no
big action sequences really,there's only like one in the
whole film.
There are all these kind ofscenes talking about it and kind
of surrounding it and it's so,and then they come back and have
this whole thing and it was oneof the best moments of the
movie, with Alex talking to hisbeta and the kid in the thing
and like go to sleep, or I'mgonna tell mom about your
playboys, because I was like.
I was like you know there's an80s movie because there's a

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tween in here with a stack ofplayboys.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
That was way too young to have that many playboys
Way too many.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's one thing if he's like stealing one or like
honey but he has a whole stackwhere he's like, oh no, where's
Miss June?
I was like, yeah, that was hisline.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
It was like where's?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
June yeah, oh, dude.
And then later when, when hewakes up and he like, sees him
working on his head, and he'slike was it, louis?
You're having a terriblenightmare.
Go back to sleep, dude.
I loved that.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, these are my favorite scenes and these, these
, these scenes only seem tohappen in like the 80s to 90s,
where there's like a robot orsomebody and they take their
head off and then it's like anobvious, obvious, dummy.
Like then when he takes hishead off and puts it down on the
table it is the most like waxhead you've ever seen and then
cut to him the actor with hishead through a table, like

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they're my favorite scenes.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
They're really really good.
Sorry, you were also going tosay something about the end.
Yeah, so jumping ahead.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So we say that this is what this is about, right?
So then we come back and he'snow saved the universe, the
gliding of spoiler and come backwith a lizard man and he goes
and finds his ex-girlfriend andhe's like all right, come with
me.
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, this, that was.
That was when I noticed wasworst boyfriend ever, Jesus
Christ man.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I was like, I literally was like there's no
way they can come back from this.
And in my head I was like Iknow she's, I know she's
obviously going to end up goingwith them.
I mean, but I mean my.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
God, I know.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Like that is what a weird, weird situation.
You put this character in thisis a lose lose.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
And yet there's an interview with with her and
she's like you know.
And then when he asks Mags togo, it's so sweet and I was like
that's not my take away.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, he's kind of treated her like shit.
The entire, the entire movie.
And it's like oh yeah, by theway, you should leave grandma.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Also Mags is like I mean they wrote her to be.
This girl is like straightgoing for it with the town nerd
like the beta.
The best scenes of this.
There's an entire movie.
I want to see the whole movieabout the beta and Mags.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh yeah.
Because he had the bestone-liners that are making me
it's beta and me yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
The best, I mean, oh my God, the best one-liners in
this whole film.
I wrote a couple of them down,like there's one in here.
He's like I'm new to this glandthing.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, that was a great.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Oh yeah, I'm kind of new at this gland thing, that's.
That was written down, someonesaid it and I love that it made
it through.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I wrote down beta Max is amazing.
The camp scene is great.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yes, the camp scene.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Do you want me to stick my tongue in your?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
ear some more what every says, that line is
fabulous.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Oh, my God, and you know, and she, I mean she,
honestly, she went, for I lovethe two of them, they were great
.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I mean I have to admit it was so good at playing
two different versions.
It really was Two differentcharacters.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I wonder if it helped , though that hit like when they
went back, so all the betascenes were like add-ons.
They did test screenings andpeople loved the.
They loved the beta scene somuch that they went ahead and
wrote more.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's right.
They feel more.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And then, unfortunately, he had shaved his
head.
So he had to wear that terriblewig.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I noticed that I assumed I, so I assumed that was
the robot.
No right, that's kind of whatmy takeaway was.
I was like, oh, he's his.
They did a.
Really they intentionally madehis hair look bad because it's a
robot.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Oh, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, he was.
He was sick and he had, and hehad shaved his head I think for
another movie, that is amazing.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I was like and it works not to be an asshole to
the actor, but I was like, oh,they're going for like a
mannequin.
He kind of look kind of what itlooked like, because he can
take his head off and, like talkto people.
You know, I mean like.
So I thought it was a legitcreative decision.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
And yeah, Lance, we're taking nothing away from
what you did, I mean in the facthe was cast.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
So this I mean, I read somewhere and I forget what
the other movie was in.
It was John Carpenter movie,but he was cast.
Was it Halloween something?
It?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
was yeah, there's yeah Halloween 2.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Halloween 2.
He was cast in that and he wascast in both these sort of as
one package I'd read, but hekind of that they kind of
happened at the same timebecause he got in and which is
just sort of crazy to thinkabout that you just got one and
that's what he said ininterviews like you land one,
landed one movie and kind oflanded both of them from that
and what I mean, that's thisguy's career.
Like what else is this guy?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Jaws the revenge.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Like I mean, but this is like.
This is not again nothing.
I think he does a veryfunctional job in a very broad
movie Like this.
Is this baby's painting?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, see, and that's what I like is like this is a
broad movie and you get like thebig you know, robert Preston,
and like we've talked about herewith Dan O'Harely, the place
Greg, these big broad characters, and then this young Lance
guest who is super serious aboutthis role and plays it serious

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and like he's taking it like Imean he's coming at it like
Ethan Hawke style, like he andit's and it works.
Because I believe him, I wantto root for him and it's.
And even though it's this hugegalactic story, at the end of
the day it's told it's so smallit's.
It's one of the smallestintergalactic movies I've ever
seen.
Does that you know what I?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
mean I know absolutely.
Which is funny because in mymemory it was so big Right Like
when the final scene happened.
I remember that being takinghours to get there in my head
you know?
I mean, I thought there was somuch more and I loved everything
I saw, but I was just I mean,you know, talking about like
nostalgia.
My nostalgic reaction was likeI remember this movie being so

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much more epic Because whenyou're a little kid and you're
being exposed to this, you dosee it, as there's an
intergalactic alliance,everyone's at threat.
Right Earth is at threat, thesebattles are huge.
And then watching it, knowingwhat I know about production now
and kind of being able to gaugesome of this stuff, I'm like
right, oh, they did do a lotwith a little with this movie.

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They really did, they reallydid?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I mean, can we talk a little bit about the villain
here, right?
Um sure, sure, yeah, sure why?
I mean they did some reallyinteresting, made some
interesting choices, Like forinstance, he's the son of the
head of the Starfleet, orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
For that never really comes back or pays off at all.
They just drop that in there,and that's what I think.
And then they got that shot Hisenormous eyes.
Actually, I thought it was liketechnically like wow, this is
super impactful.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Like it was cool.
It was cool.
It reminded me of like Wizardof Oz.
Yeah, like yeah very 1984.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It's like that, very much like this, and I wrote down
I was like Jesus, thedisembodied head of Billy Zane,
cause he looks exactly likeBilly Zane when he's the big
head.
His teeth are so white, they'rejust like singing out of the
darkness here.
And then he ends this wholething and this is one of my big,
big quibbles with the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
It ends this whole thing with he says can't get
through a talk without Stevehaving a quibble.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Exactly right Now, here comes the quibble.
He's like he says okay, after Xhappens, we are going to invade
.
Why the hell would you tellanyone when you're going to
invade?
That is just like such a stupidtactical move and I know this
character is supposed to be anidiot, but I wrote down.
I was like they have all thistech of space and ships but then

(29:31):
don't have the knowledge oflike the element of surprise.
But then literally fast forwarda little bit later and they're
like element of surprise.
Desert man is like and theywill be surprised when we're
here.
And he literally even says likethe element of the factor of
surprise or something.
I'm like, holy shit, you doknow about this in this universe
.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But you've chosen not to.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
But you've chosen not to obey it.
It just is from time to timeand it is just hilarious yeah,
it is very true and the bestmoment of the whole film.
I'm just going to finish mylittle sub box here.
About what is it, zerg?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh, sir, sir.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
About sir.
All right, he in the scenes,the other two guys and they're
obviously like so over him.
I don't get why they'refollowing him in the first place
.
The code and it doesn't makeany sense.
But then he's standing therewith a scepter and he's like
you're right, it does take morethan a scepter.
And then he pops out a knifedick from the end of the scepter
.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Switchblade on the yeah exactly Like this.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Like I wrote down I'm going to be this guy for
Halloween.
This is the best, the best prop, acting like ever.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
What's that?
Scepter had enough points on italready.
It's already.
I don't like.
When he was being escorted out,I thought, oh, he's going to
use that as a weapon, right, andthen they just kind of grab him
and they take him away.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
And you know, they send the one guard to guard him
and he gets away.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
When they dragged him away it was like he thought he
was off screen and they were.
He was just going to hear hisvoice because you see him just
kind of go like he's just limp.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, he doesn't really fight back, dude, we're
rolling on you.
This is, this is your coverage.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, it's like the rehearsal.
It's like he thought this ishis rehearsal.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
So he's like this is his next time.
I'll do it full out, guys.
Cool.
We're at we're moving on to adifferent reel.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
We've run out of film .

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm going to wave the knife phallus at you guys.
Just you know we're going full,full on you know resistance.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That thing had two like two sides that were like
the size of, like the witch,king mace.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, you know it sort of it looks like.
It looks like, yeah, somethinglike a mace or whatever the hell
they call it like a mall orwhatever yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
The surprise knife was like.
It was like.
It was like having a gun, andthen I re-round it and watch it
again.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, another gun coming out, exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Which I want to see that prop.
Like I want to see that prop.
It's kind of like the and yeah,it makes me think of in Batman,
when Joker pulls out this teenylittle gun and takes down the
bat wing.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, you know yeah, and it's just like oh my God,
it's the one thing.
You know, just take it back.
Take it back.
He's like such a toothlessvillain.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Like toothless.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Why are people following him?
Why is he the big bad guy?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
But then they're immediately like he's the son of
the Kaloy Lord Commander.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Sure, but then he took over the rebels or whatever
.
And then they also.
Can we talk about this?
They killed all right.
They killed everybody, right.
They blew, they wasted all theStarfighters.
Yeah, and in this universe.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Except one.
Except the last one, the lastUnicorn, the last Unicorn, the
last one, and but also, lizardman survives Magically.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
And he's with the star.
It's not like he's Han Solo,who's outside of the world,
who's working in a mechanic shopon something that they're like
no, your technology doesn't workfor us, which I would argue is
a better movie Like a littlebetter version of this that.
he's like the guy that's beendisowned or disbarred from the
thing and he's like you.
You do too much riskytechnology and you put all their

(32:51):
lives at stake and they'vebanned him to another place or
another substation or something.
No, he's like in the group,like he's like one of the main
dudes.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
He's there.
He's there at the broken downdrive-in when they fly in.
You remember like they fly inafter it's been destroyed and
you're like, oh man, it's justrubble in here.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's like an old town .

Speaker 2 (33:07):
And then here comes Greg going oh, I was waiting
around for you, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, I got the prototype ship, but then you go
yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
And now they have the prototype ship, which also
happens to be the most powerfulship.
Question mark yeah, and theyhave the one.
What is the?
What is the special?
Like command, the thing thathas, like the, that has the
Ghostbusters logo on it Bestname ever of a deadly weapon.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, come on, come on , devin.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
The um don't hurt yourself.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
If, when you go to um , oh, when you order the awesome
, it's the onion that's explodes.
The bloomin, yeah, the bloomin.
What?
It's a bloomin onion.
Right, it's a bloomin onion.
Yeah, it's like an awesomeblossom.
Yeah, an awesome blossom.
I don't know, I just made thatup, but it's the death blossom.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
The death blossom.
That's it, that's it, that's it, the DB.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
That was I was like, really this is the end of
humanity, is the death blossomthe death blossom.
Take that up and higher andthen they ran out of power.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
And uh so we jumped ahead and we're going to have to
go back at some point but theyran out of power and then he
starts like fiddling with youknow, like McKenny's, like I'm
going to fix this and I can likerewire it or whatever.
And it's like and it pulls outlike a little circuit board from
an IBM.
You know what I mean.
Like he's.
Like.
Here's what I'm.
Just once we put this floppyinto the Apple 2e, you know what
I mean We'll, we'll, we'll getpower again.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And then it makes R2D2 noises when it powers up.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I didn't notice that.
I didn't notice that.
That's incredible.
Yeah Little good.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
R2, r2, like what.
It's a little known fact.
The two people cut out of thismovie were Wil Wheaton and R2D2.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You guys are talking about the effects earlier and
the effects being so strong andso good.
One of the things that theytalked about was this, like the
first movie, I think.
That revolved so many CGelements.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yes, like completely CG.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I mean, I think everything except like the
explosions of the characterswere all CG.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, jeff Oaken was their like visual effects artist
who was also like from thestudio, and so he had to kind of
keep tabs and he would likereport back and he's like I
don't think we can do this.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, no, and they were trying to convince them to
do like practical, like you,stop motion at some point, right
, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And they were like nope, we're in.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I would say some things hold up better than
others.
Yeah, it's not a perfect trackrecord.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
But they were like one of the things I read about
it was it was so intense.
Yeah, and they were like oh.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'm going to get the characters on this.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Oh sure they would render Like there was one thing
like, but whenever they arelaying in wait, when they're
laying in wait for the armada topass them, right, yeah, there's
like a shot.
And I remember when I first sawit, before I read this, I was
like, ooh, that shot isdefinitely doesn't look and they
called it.
He said it like looked likemelted cheese or something
terrible.
But it's like when the there'sone of those you know like

(35:51):
places where they're hidden andthey're like oh yeah, they're
waiting for it to pass over them.
Yeah, it looks really reallyreally rough and they're, and it
was apparently just it took solong to render that.
That's what they got, because Imean I think back in these days
they didn't have enough time,right, they were money to do it
again.
They couldn't do it again.
That's what they got and I love, honestly, I love that they
give makes me like the movieeven a little bit more.

(36:12):
That they're living that closeto the edge, because it's all
you know.
When I think about animationnow, you're thinking about like
after effects or like flame orsomething where you're kind of
clicking and using an interface.
These people are like coding in, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
DOS.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, but this is not you know.
And then also the computer.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And keep in mind we are still nine years away from
Jurassic Park, Right yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, absolutely the computer processing power.
Also, these are literally likeyou know.
They'd be making these duringthe time of like Apple II, e's
and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, you know, like thatwould be the height of
technology.
I mean, the consumer level ofthis is Oregon Trail.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, and even the Nintendo had, I think had only
just come out in Japan, Like Imean it's a brand new release in
84.
Comes out in the US in 85.
So I mean, like that kind ofprocessing power was not.
It's kind of insane to thinkabout, like the polygons that
they had to use and like evenone thing I was reading about,
like it was just that ship, thegunner ship was like a free
render, you know.

(37:07):
Like it's like how muchprocessing power that took Right
, and I can tell the visualeffects artist was like going
back to the studio that we don'thave enough money and we don't
have enough time.
Literally, there's no way thiscan process fast enough.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Right yeah, man, I'm terrified, I mean honestly, I'm
terrified.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I'm terrified.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I'm like wait, like considering all of that, like
the effects are fun, they don'ttake, they're dated, but they
don't take anything away from it.
I don't really enjoy them, youknow, I would argue that the
effects in this are moresatisfying than Tron.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yes.
And they even brought in someof the team from Tron to do it,
and I think you're right,because they learned what they
did from Tron and, like they,did it better, and it does it
ages better.
I don't know, devon, where arewe going to say?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And then Tron is sort of famous for doing practical
effects and then using computersto make it look computer-y
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I mean, so that was kind of what Tron's whole thing
is.
They were faking that look.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Faking computer stuff .

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Because you know they'd have people like dressed
up and blocked, instead ofactually generating computer
images and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, and then this was legit.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
This was legit, like we're making a starship.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean they had done 10, was it they'd spent $10
million in principal photographyand $2 million on special
effects.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Wow, yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Really.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I mean I don't know how much more, but I do know
that that was like what theywere.
I mean, it was still like thefurrow and then plus, plus, plus
, but still how?
Much, how much, how small?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
But how do they get the budget for this?
I mean there's no, as far as an80s movie goes, there's no big
hole in this, to kind of pull Imean I mean 12, say it is just
12 million.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Or say it's just 10.
Honestly, it's cast like it'sgoing to be a horror genre.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, not a big family movie, exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like this is not like You're bringing people from.
Like you know that were huge 30years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
This is designed to compete with Nightmare on Elm
Street, which did come out thatyear.
Not designed to compete withyou know like oh my God.
Well, with Gremlins or ET or Iwas going to say you're going to
counter as a third, closercounter as a third.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's like it's not that, like it's not a Spielberg
level funding film, or maybe itis.
I mean honestly hearing that Isort of think it is, and that's
where you kind of start to seethe difference between Right,
that real.
Because I will also say, whenyou really step back and think
about it, it's kind of what Iwas saying earlier.
There's a lot of action in herewhere it's like you know, like
you think about Star Wars, thereare these awesome fight

(39:25):
sequences that have all thesetension in it, like it's
brilliant, and then there arebattle sequences that exist.
This doesn't really have thebattle sequences, it just sort
of has the scene surroundingthem.
It doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
And then the battle sequences are two dudes in a
small cockpit, right yeah, doing, you know, in in.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's almost more there's no stormtroopers.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
There's no Zero production elements outside of
that, there is zero threat ofthem failing anytime they engage
.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Like I'm never concerned.
The only time you're slightlyconcerned for them is when they
say the best line in the wholedamn movie All right, are we
ready?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
All right Are you ready for this?
Ready for this?
The best line in the whole damnmovie.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Okay, here we go.
Forget the guns.
Ramming speed yes.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I got to do have a second favorite one, which is
the being pulled into thegravitation of the moon.
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
We die, that's the best line.
Well, that's the follow up toit.
Yeah, yeah, that's the way Imean.
That's just we die.
That's the same character.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
The same, yeah, with the little flap that goes over
his eyes, yes, and he.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
oh, that's what.
That's what makes that soperfect.
What do we do?
He's just like a little plastic.
You know 3D glass lens flapsover one eye.
It's like we die and that's thesame again, same lens actually
in Star Wars.
Yeah, that's right.
He does that same thing whenhe's like look who's the false.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, anyway well, and it's so funny too to listen
to Catherine Mary Stewart talkabout at the end there, when she
had to look up at the shipwhich I I'll just say the ship
when it landed there, and so fun.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, that's, yeah, that part.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I love that so much.
And there you know, it's hertalking about it not long after
the movie was made and yourealize, like one of the first
instances an actor has beenasked to look at the, you know
the equivalent of you know theend of a tennis ball on a stick.
Sure, you know and like, yeah,she had no idea, they had not
seen any plans of what thiswould look like.
She would like, literally, nickCastle was like it's a tall

(41:27):
ship and it's and you're full ofwonder.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
And that production is very common.
Now back then.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Right, no, exactly, she's one of the first yeah Well
, I mean you did have like, Imean, when was the?
I mean there were, there werethings that existed like this,
but it was very, very odd.
I mean you had the whole likeanchors away or whatever you
know.
You had like a where you know.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Gene.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Kelly's like dancing with Mighty Mouse or whatever.
I don't think that I call itMighty.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Mouse, mighty Mouse, you mean Tom and Jerry.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Tom Is that Tom and Jerry?
Yeah, it's Tom and Jerry.
It's not Tom and Jerry, it'sanchors away.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's, it's Tom and Jerry All right Our audience way
in.
Oh, ok, it's him and one mouse.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
It's he and one mouse Like.
So it's it has to be anyway.
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
I'm just saying that does exist, but yes, it is the anomaly.
Yeah, it's Jerry, I got it.
So I haven't seen anchors awayin a long time.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I did like where, but your point still remains, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's like it does exist, it's just not very common
.
It's not like a Marvel moviewhere literally every set they
show up to as well.
Just a big blue screen where?
They're like all right, and I'mlooking at what Right.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Well, and it's like you know you'd come after in 77,
you'd had.
I mean actually this this isafter.
This is 84.
So this is after Empire andreturn to Jeddah, yeah, and so,
but so much of what was amazingabout that was the use of
practicals.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And yeah, and it's still a bunch of dudes in white
plastic-y armor, yeah, runningaround.
You know there's not CG likethe clone troopers in the later
movies.
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
And so this really was on that cutting edge.
I mean, if, if indeed, this isthe anchors away, because it's
like we're going to try thiswith, you know, digital
animation, and it led the way to, you know, 9, 10 years later,
to do Jurassic Park, right andyou know, and then to all the
Marvel stuff and even, like Imean, shoot, we want to combine
the two and a movie we all love,which is who Framed Roger
Rabbit.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
We have to do.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Who.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Framed yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, it did happen.
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Especially as a Baby illusion story.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
And one point to make , yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I was, like you know, even even today, saying it's
like the effects compared tolike Star Wars, the Starships.
Like those Starships look realin the original Star Wars
because, they're models.
This is more Heck even in spacefalls.
And so you're kind of areseeing a little bit of the
fakingness of it, but theperformance are so good.
Yeah, it's so much fun, youdon't care.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Right, that's a hot yeah that pushes you past
anything that's.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
This is one of those movies.
When I sit outside herethinking about it, I it is less
enjoyable in memory than it isin watching.
When you watch this movie, itis I'm all in.
This is like a perfect turnthis on at Thanksgiving, you
know, christmas, passover,whatever your family event, this
is a perfect turn it on for thefamily.

(44:26):
It's the right amount ofuncomfortable.
It's the right amount of likestuff kind of going on.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
that's weird, but it's totally enjoyable the whole
time and I think and I thinktoo, if, if a movie that we love
or say, or say that we have agood response to, depends on its
graphical, like cutting edgeapart, I don't think it's a good
movie to begin with.
Sure, you know, like in thereason I like think about one of
the best of all time, which isKing Kong.

(44:52):
You know, and, like you, lookback at that and it's like, of
course, we know what's going on,we know how it happens and it
doesn't look real.
But people, when they saw it,they screamed and ran out of the
theater yeah, and like, but thereason it holds up is not
because of the graphics, it'sbecause of, you know, because of
that, all that work, all thatwork was underneath great work,
and so the two work in tandem,you know, as opposed to if it's
just one thing, if it's justabout this, or if it's just

(45:15):
about that, it's not going to bea good movie.
To begin with, it might lookbeautiful, but it's not going to
be a good movie.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I could agree with that.
Can we talk about RobertPreston again?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Oh, I'd love to Because.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I mean they were so excited to get him.
I would say this is thecraziest casting.
I agree, I mean, holy crap,this guy like, I mean he's like
bringing it the death scene.
Oh baby, can we, can I drag anold like movie, like a famous
like movie icon for a second?
Because, holy shit, the deathscene is downright hilarious.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I do.
I do wonder if they initiallyhad that scripted outside the
car and then they're like no, wegot to keep him in the car.
I mean it just is.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
It is so uncomfortable watching him try
and play a scene where he's notin control, Like you know what.
I mean when he's like givingover to other circumstances of
the world and that's what likein the music man, that's what
works so well, as the whole time.
It is like him adapting the wayhe's got the world in the palm
of his hands and he chooses tostart to do something else
because he recognizes as a wholeanother world here available,

(46:15):
so it makes him an iconicperformance.
In this it is like he'sliterally shot and dying and
which is one of the one of thehardest things to do as an actor
to be comfortable watching asan audience and man.
It is not comfortable.
It is definitely a fast forwardtimes to see.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
It is like you know, I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
He's going down, but then they bring him back and I'm
just like so happy and but yougot to also think about that.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Sorry, I'm going to go on and there we go, yeah,
yeah, I know, this segment iscalled Stephen Rantz he do, do,
do, do do Stephen Rantz, and sowhen he comes back, is it?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
he is an alien right.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Centauri.
The character is an alien.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yes, so he prefers his human form.
He wipes his face off a coupleof times, right.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
But he prefers his human form because every time he
like, he comes back and he'slike with Alex is like, and then
he stays as a human, you knowthe whole time, even though he's
surrounded by all thesedifferent species and human form
is the music man, so whywouldn't he enjoy that?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
It's also true, I mean he's got a bunch of guys.
I got a trunk full of trombones.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
We got trouble in Planet Rylon, yeah, and you know
it does make me think like the.
Obviously you don't want tohave him in that makeup because
you're like I paid for it yeahexactly yeah.
And then it made me think ofall the the tropes of never
putting down their visors, likewhenever they put on their

(47:37):
helmets and whatever, and evenwhen the last Starfighters
before they get all blown up.
That scene is hilarious.
When he steps on the squid, youknow got when he steps on Zoig
Berg.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yes, Zoig.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Berg from Futurama.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well, I was going to ask you guys if you saw the
camera that has to be based onthat character.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
There's no way.
It's not.
That is a great point.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
There's zero chance You're telling me Matt Greening
doesn't know the lastStarfighter?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Definitely, because he was obviously in school
during that time.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
That 100 percent I was like that has to be, I
literally wrote down in heresomewhere is like holy shit.
He stepped on Zoig Berg.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And those they're putting on these helmets.
And then, oh, did you noticethe one time an actor puts down
the visor of the helmet, it'sAlex.
When he debarks from the shipat the end, oh yeah.
And then it's I don't know whythey chose this take, but you
have to, like, do themathematics to be like OK, they
did so many takes, this was thebest one.

(48:35):
And it's so full of hisperspiration and exhalation just
just covering the glit, hecan't see a thing.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, it totally made me think.
I'm guessing they kind ofwanted to do that so you
couldn't see his face.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I don't know, it's like frost the glass you know
right, but he's just, it's justgross little perspiration and
just like it's as if they ranout of there, didn't have the
money for the spray.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
And then they're like can youjust breathe?
Really, Somebody give him acigarette in here to just
breathe super hard.
Let's fog this up.
Yeah, it's a creative choice.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's a creative choice.
You're young and there's nosafety on set.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah.
So again, Centauri does comeback to Earth and he has a ton
he's.
They're playing kind of havingtheir cake and eating it to a
little bit.
Ok, sometimes he comes back toEarth right at the very end of
the film and he's like we're notknowing a lot about this planet
.
Centauri really does like heknows about Christopher Columbus
.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Oh yeah, it's a good he knows about the.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Wright brothers.
But then he'll make like asimple little mistake that he's
like oh, but I'm an alien and Idon't know what the hell is
going on here and I'm like OK,see that that that is my point.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think this is in the back to the future universe
and it's only where he'straveled to with Doc.
You know, maybe it's a Rick andMorty universe, but still Like
like yeah that's a great point.
His, his pop culture holes, ifyou will, yeah, but we're pretty
, we're pretty massive.
Oh, and I the.

(49:59):
We haven't talked about himspecifically, but it's Ron Cobb
on this who did the.
He was the production designer,okay, and we know him from
Alien.
He was like, oh really.
Yeah, I mean, I mean it's, it'sinsane what his you know when,
even when he came on to this,they were like we, he was

(50:22):
already you know a huge thing.
They're like we have to havethis guy and he did most of the
ships and whatnot and he was, Ithink, the concept artist with
the other German artists thatthey use for alien.
Yeah, of course they broughthim back on for aliens, but it
was.
He was just known for thosephoto real effects.
That's what he wanted to comeon and it I just and I think was

(50:42):
it Running man and the abyss,oh, and his big one, his big
breakout, which was Conan thebarbarian.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Oh, no, yeah, yeah so .

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I mean the guys are friggin legend already in the
80s and I just, I just thinkthat's great that they got him
and I I love the scope of theproduction was amazing and those
those scenes of when you firstsee the inside of the base.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yes, I'm like just how many Goddamn extras are in,
except for a costume.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
They do that like in the beginning, but then and they
get to the end like they allthe get down to just the pilots
and stuff.
Oh yeah, the starfighters, thenthey cut to it and it's like
seven guys and an empty chair,seven people.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, they didn't have a seat filler.
Yeah, the one like one dude hadto go to the bathroom and they
had to roll and they'd ride aseat.
So it's literally like Iliterally wrote that down.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
It's like when you first come in here like oh wow,
this is impressive, and thenthey come back to it.
They cut back to it halfwaythrough the scene.
You're like, ah, this is likethe, this is somebody's like
college class.
You don't even like this is whothey could assemble after home
economics, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I mean, like I kind of written down that like, yeah,
like the alien effects werepretty good, good, great, until
you saw the hitchhiker.
Oh yeah, and then when he grabsand is like that was like, oh,
that's, that's taking me.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I look like I literally wrote this down here.
I was like the assassin bugs,look like the ants from hunting.
I shrunk the kid, terrified thehell out of me, so this like
gave me a little residual fearyou know what I mean.
Like, I was like oh man, thoselook like ants, but that they do
, 100% look like.
They're.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Exactly how much did you love, though, the Star Wars
callback when he gets his armshot off and it just falls down,
I was like oh, that's a StarWars.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Oh, I didn't care, I didn't.
Yeah, I didn't get, I don'tknow if they meant to.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
But it's literally like what's the easiest way to
show somebody gets shot?
You just take an arm and youknow the alien arm and just kind
of throw it down in front of it.
It was great.
I was like, oh, who shot first?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I Definitely had the same thought whenever a centauri
shot the, the, the, the, the,the assassin that was chasing
the beta.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah gotshot the butters like oh look at
my, whatever things dude, thatwas I mean I.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
can we just say I love Catherine, catherine, mary
Stewart's or mags Reaction whenhe gets shot?
She's like oh no, when the betaget shot.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, when the baby is shot was great, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I freaking love that.
And she, you know, like justthis just nasty green goo being
thrown on.
She's like huh, that's terrible, we need to get you fixed.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Beta was like, see, I told you, I was a beta, yeah.
I told you he's actually inspace and your boyfriend is.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Alphabet bleed blood and I'm a row.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I'm an inbound Vance robot.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, I'll lick your gland, I'm telling you I love,
the beta says he's not allowedto fight.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
And then he drives a truck and blows himself.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Somebody else.
Well, he, he got.
It was a mixed transmission, heheard, he heard the code and
say ramming speed.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Maybe the green goo was his.
You know a protocol for notbeing.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah yeah, so you guys mentioned, this film is
very theatrical.
Yes, yeah, okay, I have alittle bit of surprise for you
guys, because would you besurprised to hear that this
movie was turned into a musical?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
I did read that.
I did not.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I had no clue in 2004 and I've got a couple of clips
here if you'd like to hear someof the music.
Okay, here we go.
I'm gonna pull it up here andlet's see if this will work here
.
Oh my gosh All right, here wego, you, you, you, you.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
So this oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
So this is like that's in a film musical
festival back in 2004.
Wow, so that's like the songthat's playing when he's playing
the video.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Wait, this wasn't Nymph Festival, was it in New
York?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I think so.
They say I found it online andit said it arrives at Broadway,
but it's got to be Nymph.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It's got to be Nymph Like New.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
York Music Theater Festival.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
It has to be.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I mean even the way it's shot.
I mean it's a very low budgetsort of production, so it's sort
of not fair.
You can check it out and youabsolutely should on Broadwaycom
.
It's pretty fantastic they havea whole interview.
They have three you knowpartial musical numbers in there
.
Oh, I love it and it's very,very much worth taking the time
to go listen.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I'm totally going.
I did just listening to it,though it did remind me of have
you guys seen?
And this is why Lucas stoppedallowing this.
But of course, everybody knowsabout the infamous Christmas
special and of course, aroundthat time you know it was Donnie
and Marie were like the biggestthing on TV and they did like a
big galactic song and they wereeach you know, luke and Leia,

(55:33):
and then you had C3PO and R2D2.
Come on and there are all thesedancers around them and it's
like going into space.
Going into space, it's a spacegame.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
You know, and it's just like and so I can't help.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
But that's what I kind of just heard.
But I obviously know thatthey're going in a different
direction.
But I was just like the Donnieand Marie stuff and I don't even
know where to tell people to gofor that.
But just you know, go to Donnieand Marie and then I'm sending
Donnie Marie Star Warscom YepExactly, and then delete your
browser history.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, there I mean one other thing.
I saw, like the, the, the, likeproduction designer at all.
In the end, when they're alllike clapping and they have the
crowds and they're up on theplatforms, the crowd, you can
100% see the unitards, like thefolds of the unitards is very,
very good, very, very good.
So I mean overall.
I mean I've got a couple offacts about this movie.
I think a lot of them we'vewe've actually touched on.

(56:30):
Okay, what do you get?
But just a couple of things incase you didn't.
So this apparently all visualeffects, not practical effects,
were made on a Cray XMP computerthat mean anything to you guys.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
No, I was hoping you knew that.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I was hoping you knew that.
Nope, I was hoping they would.
I'll look it up, I'll look,I'll look into it.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, so this looking up here, we also have a lot of
oh, you already said this of thebeta unit was like shot after,
but the confirmed in 2020 isconfirmed, the rights being
secured.
In a script is being writtenwith Gary Witte claiming the
film will be a combination.
Is the reboot of the film.
It's going to come out in asequel.
We honors the legacy he says inthe film, but apparently we are

(57:13):
due for another laststarfighter.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Oh, I'm in, I'm totally in.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Oh, yeah, I have read , it's kind of been in
production hell for a couple ofyears, I think they've been
trying to.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, I know, I mean 2020,.
I mean you start anything in 20.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I mean, if you watch the ending of the movie, I was
kind of like oh, there was asequel planned immediately.
Sure, yeah, because what's hisname got away, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
And it was also about , like how Maggie realized that
she made a terrible decision.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
That is.
That is the sequel she's like.
Get me back to.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Earth.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Go going back to Earth.
Yeah, that's the last girl, andit was how Zord got his groove
back.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
And a little Lewis has more playboys to acquire.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yep, exactly Where's Miss Rylan?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
So here's the question Having watched this
again, start with Matt.
Does this movie hold up for you?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Absolutely.
Yeah, this holds up, and it'sso much of the like.
Appreciation is what holds up,the appreciation of what they
wanted to do, what they did doand just the feeling that they
wanted to evoke.
That's what, that's what holdsup for me, how about you, devin?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Does the film hold up ?
For you, thousand percent?
Yeah, yeah, definitely so forme, I'd never, seen it.
This movie holds up.
Like I said before, this isright down the middle bingo
strike for a nostalgic movie.
You can turn this baby onanytime anytime.
Like this is when it's worth it.
It is going to be worth thewatch for sure, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Greg and his turtle helmet.
It did look like they just tooklike a little, a little army
helmet and then just stretched amask around it.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
It did yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It's like we we've got this leftover stuff from the
Fantastic Four Right.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Exactly.
Oh man, all right, so anythingwe didn't touch on here, guys
that you want to, we, we got tobring up and make sure we hit I
know, for me it's theinconsistency of having the
Playboys, and yet when the two,when his brother and Maggie kiss
, he just yells Diarrhea.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, I absolutely was.
Like in case you forget thatyou're in a movie shot in 1984.
Diarrhea.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
That.
That to me is.
I was like I had.
I just had to get that outthere.
I love that moment.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Devin.
I wrote down.
I forgot about this note, butbest teens ever.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
From when the?
No, from when the kids werebeta.
Alps is in the back of thetruck and, as they're driving to
the camp, like one dude leansout the back of the pickup to
hit the driver.
He's like man, turn this, tuneup.
He's like you got it.
The music doesn't change, cutto them, you know.

(01:00:00):
Like in the back, like tellingstupid stories, right before she
tells him to like laugh, yeah,and he starts laughing
maniacally yeah, I'm telling you, there's an entire move Freedom
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Rock man but man beta robot dates horny teenage girl
is a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I'm a robot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
The best character in .
That's totally if this had had,like Anthony Michael Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, this would have been that movie.
That's that movie, yeahabsolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
She was later in another style of that movie
though, Catherine Mary Stewart,who was a soap star I think it
was.
Her next film was Weekend ofBernie's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
No way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Dudes.
I mean, I had a flat, I had ablast.
I'm so glad I watched thismovie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I'm definitely this one, I'll turn on any time for
sure Welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Devon, thanks for taking the time to come on and
hang out.
Man, it's always great to seeyou.
Anytime.
Yeah, hopefully we'll get toback together and get to do
another one one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, let's do it before the sequel, so hell yeah,
we got to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
We got to do it before the sequel.
We got to bring Lorde Helmet inhere because we're surrounded
by assholes.

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